Valkyrie wrote:The weapons are way underpowered. A Scarab Cannon is a S7 Ap3 Blast, and it's an Apocalypse-only unit? Seriously?

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:
Spiker and Brute Shot should also count as a Close Combat weapon.
the spiker is one-handed so the Brutes use a CCW with it anyway, but i suppose the brute shot could count as one.

Plasma Mortar should be S 9 AP 4, Ordinance 1, 48" range
Which Plasma Mortar? I messed up the names a bit so the Wraith has the 'Plasma Mortar' when it is meant to have the 'Heavy Plasma Mortar'. will fix
Carbine shouldn't have Overload, Plasma Pistols should.
hmmm..... true, it would help the elites get around the overload thing. and i removed overload from plas-pistols because can you imagine how many 1's a grunt squad would roll when shooting? dont want TOO many units to be unable to shoot next turn.
Add a special rule, Blood Rivalry, that prevents Elites and Brutes from being in the same unit.
Thought of this- a grunt squad cannot include both a brute and an elite and elite/brute leaders cannot joing units that have brutes/elites respectively.

The Shipmaster should cost more; he easily outdoes the Space Marine Captain, who costs the same and has the same role.
fair enough.

Chieftain should have 4 Attacks.
ok.

Gravity Hammer should count as a Thunder Hammer
i think i will make it count as a thunder hammer with some changes.

Give the Phantom and Spirit the option to count as Open Topped as long as they move at Combat Speed(flying with hatches open)
ooh, good idea!

Add an option for AA Wraiths, Prowlers and Specters(make them identical) Brute Choppers, and Grunts piloting Ghosts.
already can upgrade Wraiths to have Fuel Rod Batteries, giving them the Anti-Air rule. I plan to include Specters and i suppose prowlers as well. Brute choppers are the same as ghosts, and you can just have brutes riding ghosts if you have a brute-only army. wat would be the point of having grunts pilot ghosts? they are worse than the elites that usually do it.

grayspark wrote:Why are Brutes WS 3, and Elites BS 4? In the games the Brutes are definitely better at close combat than regular Marines (aka "Guardsmen") and Elites are very good shots.
brutes arent so much "better" than "able to smash everything" so they arent skilled. they are brutal and unsophisticated, reflected in their extra A, T and asssorted special rules. but i suppose you are right about the BS thing.

I couldn't find the rule for the Plasma Pistol "Circuit", though I'm guessing that's the 6 glances rule.
oh, myh bad. the Short Circuit rule is supposed to have a *** thing next to it leadng you to the special rules listed underneath the weapons list.

I feel the Plasma Rifle should be Str 4, because they're pretty darn strong in the game, especially compared to an Assault Rifle or a Plasma Pistol, but that may just be my opinion.
they are tough, but are they as tough a a miniature rocket that can blow an arm off or a chest into pieces in one shot (bolter)? they really arent that much better than a Lasgun, Autogun or other strength 3 weapons.

Shouldn't the Overload rule be named Overheat?
true lol, i will fix.

Perhaps an option for the Jackals to overcharge their Plasma Pistol shots, but not be allowed to fire them next turn.
the short circuit rule handles whenever someone overcharges a pistol shot. maybe i should reserve it for jackals though.

Maybe an idea for the Drones is that they do not suffer dangerous terrain roles when dropping into terrain, because if you watch them ingame they don't have any trouble at all dropping into tough places, and don't go careening into the ground like a person with a Jump pack does. Although maybe they shouldn't be allowed to assault, because ingame I don't think I've ever experienced one charging at me with his weapon, I'm always the one deciding to go after them in CC.
good point. however preventing someone from charging is very prohibitive and simply unfair really.


These are just some suggestions I've got because I feel that this codex is a great idea, but needs some improvements to follow the game more closely! I hope you take the time to think about/make changes about what me and other people have suggested!
i plan to

Anvildude wrote:It'd make it Unique. Maybe not at Initiative, but certainly not Init 1. They're big and slow-ish, but not that slow, since most of the "weight" of the impact is from the gravometric flux. Maybe at -1 or -2 Init? Or can't benefit from Furious Charge's Init Boost?

Or make it use a Small Blast template, touching the base of the model with it, for the Attacks.

Oh, and it'd be hilarious if you could roll a d6 every time someone shot a Rocket or threw a Grenade at you, and on a it went back and hit them instead.

Blackhoof wrote:So much RESPONSES! I am so happy

Valkyrie wrote:The weapons are way underpowered. A Scarab Cannon is a S7 Ap3 Blast, and it's an Apocalypse-only unit? Seriously?

well, i figured it shouldnt be too powerful because it is a blast that drags. it has the potential to to hit a bunch of models with a fairly powerful attack.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Hunters should have a 3+ Armor save, Turtle granting 4+ cover save, Vulnerable To Blast/Templates, and Relentless, agreed.

master of ordinance wrote:The BFG fleet isnt really that bad but i agree that the plasma torps need some special rules rather than just being guided missiles or bombers.
Id say a strength 1 torpedoe salvo that inflicts d6+1 hits if it hits and inflicts critical hits on a 5+

gardeth wrote:interesting read, I would recommend dropping the # of special rules by 1/3 to 1/2. Just to many to keep up with. Also, alot of squads just have to many options. Brutes are also underpriced (I can't think of any unit with T5 thats under 23 points.)

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:Hunters should have a 3+ Armor save, Turtle granting 4+ cover save, Vulnerable To Blast/Templates, and Relentless, agreed.

tantan628 wrote:Now we just need the models. This is amazing.

blood reaper wrote:Elites must be weapon skill 4 , they are trained from birth and would be able to battle Brutes. Phantoms should be able to carry 24 troops depending on size and light vehicles . A single Wrath can be carried by Phantoms. The Covenant Unggoy and Kig-Yar units should be renamed Lances.

Sharkvictim wrote:Everyone else has given pretty good criticism so far. Brute Chieftain needs a S5 or 6 though.
Hunters should get counter-attack. Not that they are particularly spry, but this would help an adversary treat them on the table top the same way you would treat them in game (get close and it will smasha-you-face).
Cool stuff tho, bro.

Blackhoof wrote:

tantan628 wrote:Now we just need the models. This is amazing.

well, i figured out some conversion/proxy possibilities
elites=lizardman saurus
brutes=lizardman saurus
jackals=lizardman skinks
grunts= goblins
hunters=carnifexes
drones=dont know

necrotes wrote:could you not just use the Halo clix minatures they are the same size as 40k minatures.

blood reaper wrote:Covenant Squads are called Lances.

master of ordinance wrote:

Blackhoof wrote:

tantan628 wrote:Now we just need the models. This is amazing.

well, i figured out some conversion/proxy possibilities
elites=lizardman saurus
brutes=lizardman saurus
jackals=lizardman skinks
grunts= goblins
hunters=carnifexes
drones=dont know

elites=saurus+tau
brutes=saurus+40k orks
jackals=kroot+skinks?
grunts=GOBLINS
hunters=tyrant guard?+carnifex??
drones=vespid

veihcles
wraiths=tau hammerhead
phantoms=tau orcas
other=tau based conversions.

also i notice you havnt got any rules for that heavy jet bike with a light plasma mortar or that weird wheel bike used by brutes.

heavy ghost
BS F S R LD
4 10 10 10 8

fast skimmer
open topped

light plasma mortar
plasma rifle

options
upgrade plasma rifle to carbine

not sure on points cost.
will think up rules for brutes bike.

DevianID wrote:
For example, dont call the Halo Plasma Pistol a plasma pistol, as those have a 40k analog. Call them Energy Pistols if you like, or covenant pistol or something.
sorry, but i am making a covenant army list, not an adapted fusion of eldar and tau that seem similar but are different than the covenant.
For profiles, maybe try and tighten them up a bit? Currently your units are all spread out, and IMHO hard to follow. Take a cue from GW and have each Race have a fluff page, with the profile for every rank of that race on it. Use page breaks.
hmmm... this is a good idea. does anyone else think that the reference page isnt good enough for sorting confusion?
For regular elites, I would go with MEQ, as it fits so well despite my feelings on MEQ saturation.
WS4 BS4 S4 T4 W1 I4 A1 Save 3+
Reason is because they are similar to spartans, who are similar to a Space Marine. Where a space marine has more biological improvements over both elites and spartans, elites and spartans are still both an order of magnitude over the fairly elite human soldiers, which act as IG stat wise.
i am trying to make the army as unique as possible, so while i used the space marine stats as a base for the Elites, i changed some things i thought didnt reflect the ELites well

As for the Elites save, which I rate as 3+, it seems that their armor, while not fully enclosed like a space marine for the most part, has a very advanced shield system that greatly improves the armor capabilities. So since in 40k you dont get both armor and invuln saves, the shield needs to improve the armor stat as well. In Halo, its not like an elite would ever survive a missile to the face, so a 40K style invuln save that DOES stop a missile to the face wont work. For the elites with cloak fields instead of energy shields, I would downgrade the armor to 5+ to give infiltrate and a 5+ cover save, or +1 to their existing cover save if that would be better than 5+.

actually, you do have a really good point about this. this would also be a good way to distinguish between Jackal Defence Gauntlets and Elite Personal Energy Shields.

For some examples. Current Plasma Pistol can be well represented by a shurikan Pistol. The range doesnt make sense at 18 inches. Plasma Rifle also works well as a shurikan catapult. Your AP is too low, as I feel the energy weapons in Halo dont really seem to penetrate, more like they do more damage then the human bullet based counterparts. I would treat your plasma cannon instead as a burst cannon analog. After all, the spread on the plasma cannon is quite large, making long range shots more about volume than accuracy, which is what the burst cannon is all about.
from what i understand, plasma weapons melt through steel and armour like butter, but only burn flesh. the burning is bad, of course, but it does not go into you and explode like a bolt round does at S4. You have a point about the Plasma Cannon though, i will look into it.

Thats about all for now, let me know what you think and if you would be interested in more ideas from me. I have a human Halo imperial guard army conversion about half done, so I have a stake in the covenant army list you are putting together as an opponent to fight my Halo Guard with.

Anvildude wrote:
Though that brings up a new idea: Overshields. Make it a 5 or 10 point piece of wargear that allows the owner to ignore one instant-death wound (that is, instead of IDing the target, the wound would only deal, well, one wound). That'd be an interesting piece of wargear for multi-wound models, wouldn't it?

samrtk wrote:Are there any 25mm Halo minis out there? This has been an themed army I have been thinking about for a while and would love to not have to convert models for it. Great work on the codex so far, I'm glad someones taking this up. Would love to see a UNSC one in the future and perhaps some Gears of War and Helghast ones.

Blackhoof wrote:Hunters are actually really vulnerable to grenades, as they are simply a mass of worms.

DevianID wrote:On number 3, you are trying to make a 40k codex INSPIRED by the covenant. At the end of the day, the goal is to play the codex versus other 40k armies, right? So since your codex is the foreign object, you must work around the established rules of 40k... plasma pistols have well defined rules in numerous armies in 40k.

If you have a plasma pistol that is different, then on top of asking your opponent to play with completely house made rules, now you are confusing names on top of it. YOU know its called a plasma pistol, why do you care if your opponent calls it a plasma pistol, when the game your opponent plays uses a DIFFERENT plasma pistol.

If you are insisting that the plasma pistol be called a plasma pistol, then it needs to be s7 ap2 gets hot.

Spartan 117 wrote:First off your the man! I've always thought how awesome would it be for the Covenant to be in the 40k universe and how well would they stack up the rest of the armies!
thank you. one does ones best.
Heres some ideas:

Wraiths should wound if they tank-shock because of the overdrive ability they have.
wraiths aent really that fast when they overdrive, no faster than any other vehicle tank shocking.
Ghosts should be able to get a scout move because they are recon vehicles. They should also be able to flat out farther then Eldar vehicles as well.
good point. eldar jetbikes are better than ghosts- can ghosts fly?
Grunt squads leadership should plain old stink unless they have a leader with either a Brute or an Elite
it does
All units should have the option to be Spec-Ops. That upgrade should be vastly expensive and it should increase both WS and BS.
meh, i like the separate entry better
Elites should be Stubborn as with Brutes
pretty sure they are, but i might of accidently erased it or something. will fix
Brutes should have an ability similar to blood rage where they can go berserk / gain more attacks if half of the squad is killed
its called brute battle rage and they charge after the unit that killed their first model.
Powerswords are essentially the Swords of Elites with Thunderhammers being Brute Chieftan Hammers. Powerweapons are solved there.
yep, energy swords count as power weapons and gravity hammers count as thunder hammers
Psyker units could easily be prophets
very true, but i dont want to be untrue to the halo universe. besides, prophets dont like to fight directly. they would be good navigators to guide covenant ships through the warp, though.
Dropships should be both types. One should be more heavily armored with less weapons. (the one that appeared in Halo Wars, Halo 1, Halo Reach) The one appearing in Halo 2, 3 should have better weaponry against vehicles. Both should count as transports in force organization.
have that too- the weaker, but more transport-capable Spirit and the heavily-armoured, heavily-armed Phantom.
Jackals should be a troop choice, and should have the upgrades to be taken as snipers or could be given an invulnerble or feel no pain due the shields
well, they are a part of the Infantry Lance, and you can get Jackal Marksmen. their shields give them invulnerable saves, but feel no pain is SO MUCH BETTER! cannot believe i didnt think of that, definitely will fix.
Drones should be fast attack and should have the infiltrate and flanking abilities. They should be cheap pointwise and should be allowed to be in swarms up to 30
they are. they can deep strike, and can have up to 30 troops (i think, must check)
Hunters should be Elites. Should have a blood frenzy rule if squad of 2 gets under 50%. All statistics of that hunter should be increased and it should be forced to charge closest enemy unit.
hunters are too powerful to be elites,they are similar to Obliterators, and they are HS, so hunters should be too.
Brute and Elite squads shoud have a host of options from Fuel Rod cannons, Brute Shots, Twin Linked Plasma Rifles, Carbines, Snipers Jump Packs, Swords and Hammers. They should be Elite options and have the ability to outfit a single one as a commander or HQ.
well, they do have a fair amount of options as it is.
Prophets should be an HQ choice and should be massively "inspiring" to the rest of the force. Kind of like a Tau Etheral.
prophets dont really go to the field of battle, though, they are the priests and politicians, not the leaders.
Engineers can be elite choices as well with similar abilites to techmarines.
the elites section is too crowded, so i moved them to HQ
All vehicles are skimmers
most are.
Ghosts should be fast attack
they are
Spectres are a troop transport that can move flat out
well, they can transport troops. breing able to move flat out makes sense.
Banshees, Wraiths should be Heavy Attacks. Banshees should be able to be outfitted in different ways and be able to Deep Strike.
they are
Special Characters can include the various prophets, the Arbiter, Tarturus and characters from the books such as Yappa the grunt.
true, i will add special characters later, right now i want to concentrate on balancing
Should be able to run the Covenant in different ways with different rulesets. Such as being able to run an all Elite army similar to Deathwing. This can only be allowed if the arbiter is taken. Or you could have a more Brute force if Tarturus is taken. Of course you can have the more popular option of running the covenant straight up by taking the prophets.
i dont want to restrict people in any way. if people want an all-elite army, they can only use elite units, same if they want an all-brute army. it is possible to do that, although i should add more brute units, i suppose.
Just some ideas. I hope you enjoy those. As you can tell by my username I love the Halo universe. Great games, great universe, great system.
all ideas are welcome, stay tuned for further updates.

what else shall i call it? the games have names the weapons that the covenant have, and it is my duty to represent that accurately. this is a fandex, so opponents have to be prepared for any inconsistencies or imbalances (which there will be, no matter how much i fine-tune it). if you do not wish to play a 'dex that has conflicting weapon names, do not play agaisnt the covenant codex.

Anvildude wrote:With the Brute Rage, would they also auto-regroup? Make them Fearless, or something? Or does Rage already include that?
i think so, but i cant be certain.
With the Combat Hatches rule, does that count as Open Topped only for purposes of firing out, or for purposes of damage suffered, as well?
i suppose it would count as Open-Topped full-stop- the opened hatches would be vulnerable to damage.
Still think Gravity Hammers should be Two-Handed weapons (the rest of the rules are fine)
will fix
Reading through the rest, looks good.

Marik Law wrote:Hunters are ALWAYS in twos. You never see a Hunter by itself because they are always bonded with another Hunter. Unit entry should be changed from 1-2 to 2.
Other than that, great Codex. *Fonz two thumps up*

master of ordinance wrote:dont let ANYONE say this is rubbish.
its not.
its AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!

I_am_a_Spoon wrote:I was actually talking about Covenant in 40k with my brother last night, and now this!

I really like what you've done, but a few of the unit statlines seem a bit off, at least, to my eye. For example:



BRUTES

- Toughness 4 and two Wounds is a little bit too resilient, especially when you consider the fact that they'd be twice as hard to kill as Astartes and Orks. Personally, I'd go with T3, W1 and FNP.

- Maybe reduce their default Armour Save to 6+?

- Also, why is the Chieftain T5?

the thing with brutes is that their primary role in Halo 2 (before they replaced the Elites) was to be a damage sponge. Making them T5 made them tougher but it was pointed out that giving them an extra wound worked better. giving them FNP would encroach on the Jackal's territory in my opinion, who have their defence gauntlets. brutes also have a fair amount of armour, if not as much as an elite, but that is balanced by them being simply harder to kill.

the chieftain in T5 because he is the oldest and strongest member of his pack, and im sure you know how much of a pain they are to kill.

DRONES

- Maybe raise their BS to 4, and lower their S to 2?

why? they arent actually that good at shooting, that is why they swarm, and in one mission a drone lifts up a marine and flies away with him, which is at least S3.

ELITES

- Elites I think should also be T3. I mean, without their shields and armour, Elites are barely tougher than humans.

what makes you think so? we never see them in normal clothes or anything, and their size indicates toughness.

GRUNTS

- Should be T2 I think.

- As for Suicide Grunts... how about every time a unit containing Grunts fails a Morale Test in melee, the enemy squad suffers D3 Blast attacks? Or any squad that successfully performs a Sweeping Advance upon a squad containing Grunts could take D3 Blast attacks?

i dont want to make them too weak, besides, they arent that weak, at least not weak enough to warrant T2. hte second idea is good though, i like the idea that grunts will suicide themselves when they are sweeping advanced.

HUNTERS

- I see Hunters has having these stats:

WS: 3
BS: 3
S: 5
T: 5
W: 2
I: 2
A: 2
Ld: 10
Sv: 3+/6+

- You should also remove the Vulnerable to Blasts and Templates special rule. And rather than them being Monstrous Creatures (a Hunter definitely wouldn't be any bigger than something like a Tyranid Warrior), maybe give them Slow & Purposeful and Fearless?

true, they probably are a bit powerful. i will lower their stats.



JACKALS

- I don't think Marksmen should be BS5. The only difference between different Jackal troop types should be their wargear.

- On that note, are you going to include Skirmishers?

marksmen are the best of the jackals, so i think that warrants BS5. and no, i shall not be including Skirmishers, i have too many unit types as it is.


BANSHEE

- This might sound weird, but how about making the Banshee AV9? Or giving it the Jetbike unit type?

i think that they warrant being vehicles, but i will make them AV9 all round.


As for weapons:




BEAM RIFLE

- Shouldn't it be Range 36", like all other Sniper weapons? Maybe make it Heavy 2 to compensate for the Overheat?

good point, shall do.


BRUTE SHOT

- Why only Range 12"?

- Maybe make it S4, AP6, Assault 2, Blast?




ENERGY PISTOL

- Just call it the "Covenant Plasma Pistol", like the "Astartes Grenade Launcher". After all, it IS a Plasma Pistol.

- Instead of the "Short Circuit" special rule, allow it fire using two different fire modes. Fire mode two = twin-linked, automatically stuns (not shakes) vehicles, and automatically overheats.




MAULER

- It's the automatic Brute shotgun from Halo 3, right? If so, why is it so powerful (S5, AP4 and Rending)? It's not an anti-tank or anti-armour weapon.

- Maybe make it S3, AP6 and remove Rending, but also make it an additional CCW?




NEEDLER

- How about the Needler counts as Rending, but on a to-hit (not to-wound) roll of six? Or maybe, on a to-hit roll of six, the Covenant player could place a Blast marker over the target squad? To offset this, it could be S2 by default.







Good work though, I love it. Are you planning to do the UNSC or Flood? If you are, I'd love to help out. Check my sig for examples of my existing work.

AnomanderRake wrote:Conceptually this is a pretty good list, but it is going to take quite a bit of tweaking for balance before I'd try taking it onto the tabletop.

Some of the weapons on this list have absurdly long ranges, I'd cut the Beam Rifle to 36", the Covenant Carbine to 24", the Heavy Plasma Launcher to 48", switch the ranges on the Hunter Cannon's two fire modes and replace Melta with Lance for Beam, and cut Mining Laser to 48".

ok, but the carbine is supposed to be like a rifle, with a longer range than stuff like plasme rifles.

Brutes are absurdly tough for their points cost, I'd either drop Feel No Pain from the commander and slash Bodyguards, ordinary Brutes, and Brute Rangers down to 1 Wound, or I'd hike the commander to 160 points, Bodyguards to 50 points, ordinary troopers to 25 points, and Rangers to 30 points. Likewise, Sangheili Honor Guards should be dropped to 1 Wound or hiked to 37 points.

i will bump up their points costs, because the whole point of brutes is to be tough

I like the SpecOps troopers' mission rule, but they probably ought to be hiked to 27 points each.

ok

Jackals ought to have their BS brought down to 3 or have their points cost hiked to 12; Jackal Marksmen definitely should have their BS dropped to 4.

they have to at least be better than humans, that is their whole point, to be good at shooting. remove that and they are guardsmen with feel no pain

The Shadow looks mostly sane, but I'd drop its fire points down to 3 per side.
i will drop it to 4
I'd hike the cost of a Ghost to 30 points and the Chopper to 35, it doesn't make much sense to give them the same points cost based on how much better the Chopper is.
true, i tried to equalise them, but it didnt work too well
Be sure to note down that the Spectre is a Skimmer or Fast Skimmer, at present it's just Vehicle (Open-topped)
good point
I might make Hunters a 2-model squad instead of 1-2, as far as I know there are no single Hunters encountered anywhere in the Halo universe (though I may be wrong).
ive explained this already- hunters dont always come in twos.
The Scarab has got so many balance issues as it stands that I'm just going to put down some rules for it that make more sense to me from the background and balance standpoints:

Scarab (800pts)
Super-Heavy Walker
WS 2, BS 4, S 10, AV 14/14/13, I 1, A 2, SP 3, VS 2
Transport: 30 models, 1 access point on each side, 10 fire points
Special Rules: Deep Strike
Armament: Scarab Laser, two Covenant plasma cannons, two heavy plasma launchers
Scarab Laser: 96", S D, AP 2, Heavy 1, Primary Weapon*
*Fire by placing the narrow end of the flamer template anywhere within range of the Scarab and the wide end not closer to the Scarab than the narrow end. Resolve the shot against everyone completely or partially underneath the template.
that is actually a much better idea for the weapon. i will incorporate your ideas with my existing rules
I'd remove the Super Scarab entirely.
the covenant need more superheavies, and the super scarab is the reaver to the scarabs warhound, really, and i like that.
I'd drop the option for the Heavy Covenant Plasma Cannon on the Seraph entirely, adjusting the range of the weapons on a model that can move as far as it likes and fire afterwards does absolutely nothing and there's no reason to take a one-shot S8 AP2 weapon over a 4-shot S8 AP3 weapon. Alternately, keep the option but drop the plasma cannon to S6 and 3 shots.
a very good point, i shall do that
The SpecOps Strike Force is a cool formation, but keep in mind that since Apocalypse uses the 4th edition rules for determining scoring units so they'd all count as scoring units anyway, and The Mission Most Holy appears as more of a drawback for the formation than anything else, I might drop the cost to 50 points plus models.
oh, i forgot about that. i shall change their rules.
I'd hike the cost of the Brute Alpha Pack to 100 points plus models, you're basically taking a nice balanced rule and removing it's drawbacks for a chunk of the army.
gotcha
Guardians of the Hive is a little odd, though I could see it working with a cost of 50pts plus models.
meh, i wanted all the ideas i could get, i will probably replace it once i or someone else thinks of a better formation
Air Superiority Lance is definitely worth more than 60 points, especially with no cap on the number of Banshee squads; I'd change it to 3-5 and make it 150 points plus the cost of the models.
very well, thy will be done
Truth looks fine as is, if possibly a bit overpriced, I'd make him 200 points.
fair enough
I'd hike the Arbiter to 250 points, but his rules look fine; similarly Tartarus ought to be 200 or 210 points to fit the rules.
sure
As far as the Battlefleet Gothic rules are concerned I'd either try and work in a bomber somehow or give the Phantoms a 4+ save against being removed, if only to ensure that their ordnance isn't massively underpowered.
i will bring in Space Banshees and make Seraphs bombers
The Covenant Supercarrier is around the size of an Imperial Battleship if the background material on both universes is to be believed, I'd drop it to 12 hits, 5 each of shields and turrets, drop the energy projectors to 3 in each arc, drop the plasma turrets to 20 and put some limitations on their fire arc, put some limitations on the torpedoes' fire arc, and drop the launch bays to 8; with those changes I could see it as a 400-point ship.
actually the supercarrier is bigger by several kilometres if i recall correctly, so i wanted it to be stronger.
The Assault Carrier should probably be dropped to Grand Cruiser/10, 4 each of shields and turrets, 3 each on the energy projectors, 6 on the torpedoes with fire arc restrictions, and 6 launch bays; I'd put it at 325 points.
fair enough
The Covenant Carrier could probably be used as-is if you dropped it to 3 each on shields and turrets, gave it 4 launch bays, and put some limitations on the torpedoes' fire arc.
i will keep the torpedos as is, but increase the points. the idea with torpedos is that they can be fired any direction and even if they are fired behind the ship they can be guided around the back parts.
As far as I know the Supercruiser, Battleship, and CAR-class cruiser don't exist in canon, I'd drop them. You've already got more canon ship classes than the entire Eldar fleet, and a pretty solid selection.
there have been obscure references to them, but i am not attached to them in any special way, so out they go.
Based on scale I'd drop the CCS and Reverence-class cruisers to Cruiser/6, in the first case drop the shields and turrets to 2, slash one point from the firepower of all weapons, limit the fire arc on the torpedoes, and drop the points cost to 160 you'd probably be set, in the second case drop a point of shields, limit the fire arc on the torpedoes, and drop the points cost to 155 and you'd probably have a playable ship.
i will weaken them a bit
From what I know of the Destroyer, it's going to be an escort rather than a capital ship and ought to be rather faster; I'd change it's statline to Escort/1, Speed 35cm, Turns 90, Shields 1, Armor 5+, Turrets 1, drop the energy projector's firepower to 1, drop the ordnance entirely, and give it firepower 2 plasma turrets for 40 points.
sure
I'd drop a point of Turrets and limit the fire arc of both weapons on the Frigate, but otherwise it looks fine.
ok.
If you want to run the Corvette as an escort carrier it really ought to be 35 points, I'd also limit the fire arc of the plasma turrets.
gotcha
The 40k rules look like they'd produce a solid mid-range shooting army with a few powerful vehicles and close-combat units, filling a niche in between the Tau and the Eldar in terms of gameplay, which actually seems quite fitting for the elite hyper-advanced aliens to run like a combination of 40k's two main elite hyper-advanced alien races on the tabletop. The Battlefleet Gothic rules create a glass cannon of a fleet, they're not as tough as some and don't move very fast but they can fling an ungodly amount of ordnance your way and pack quite a punch if you manage to close to direct-fire range.
exellent, that is excactly what i was going for with the 40k army, and roughly what i was going for with the fleet!

Blackhoof wrote:UPDATED

master of ordinance wrote:damn-i only have 1 infantry lance(lacking models for more) so need to get more guys.

master of ordinance wrote:sounds good.

damn-i only have 1 infantry lance(lacking models for more) so need to get more guys.

can we have a way to take brutes and/or elites as troops?
maybe some commander upgrade like if your commander is an elite zealot then elite warrior lancescount as troops and ditto with the brute cheiftan.

Blackhoof wrote:lol, i will have to revise the Arbiter then

Anvildude wrote:
Maybe make the Gravemind a big HQ choice, or an Apoc unit.

Takeshishin wrote:I love it. I love it more than you can imagine. I don't know enough about points, or fluff, or any of the fancy jazz to give a good suggestion, so I'll stick with just saying I love it.

You need to do all three codexes. Covenant, Marines, and the... Flood? I forgot their names.

As for your worry about not having enough marines, take notes from the 40k Space marines, and IG. Try to set some Marines apart from the other, in terms of what weapons they can get. Like a heavy weapons group, a recon (Stealth/Snipey) group, etc. But there are more than enough vehicles to fit in. From the simple Warthog, to the elephant, and beyond.

The flood though... Yeah, I can see THAT being a bitch to make a codex for, since in the games I think there were only like... 4/5 different types? Excluding the Tentacled monster thing. Sorry, I know VERY little on Halo fluff for names.

I'm going to do a playtest with my group here soon, I hope. Given I can convince them to do it -_- No one trusts Fandexes around here.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:So, what we're looking at is Tau, Imperium, and 'Nids, translated to Halo and back?

master of ordinance wrote:I had this great idea for BFG.

in one of the novels the covenant fleets can perform short jumps across the battle feils but their systems are down for a short amount of time afterwards.

so heres how it is.

The covenant ships may take an LD check just like all ahead full.
if they succeed then the ship may be positioned anywear on the feild facing any direction.
however once it has mayed this move it may not move shoot or launch ordnance for the rest of the turn. in the opponents turn it counts as having sheilds 0 and cant brace for impact.
this move may be used to disengage and "jump" off the board.
if it jumps into an asteroid feild it takes 2d6 auto hits(dont forget it counts as sheilds 0 till its next turn.

master of ordinance wrote:new ideas.

Shade turret.....???pts

BS2 F11 S9 R10

Type-immobile

wargear

TWplasma cannons

options
may be carried by a spirit in lew of a ghost.


Brute plasma rifle R18" S4 AP- type assault 3

master of ordinance wrote:S5 then?....

Blackhoof wrote:i weas considering including shades, but i felt that the list was crowded enough already.

brute plasma rifles.... maybe, i will see how they fit into the list.