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It's the conclusion of an absurdly long, even by fantasy standards, book cycle dealing with the foundations of the setting. It was going to top charts and polls even if it was two thousand pages of lorem ipsum.
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I mean, the aftermath is probably going to be its own ten book series. I don't mean that in a cynical way but there will definitely be a desire to tell the stories that weren't told.
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Oh yeah, I'd be very surprised if the Scouring book series was not already on the way.
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...the untold story of the Siege of Vraks that was told in 622 pages across 3 large hardback volumes with lots of colour plates...? The untold story that also got a 227 page second edition in the same format?
I'd rather they just reissue the old Imperial Armour books.
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It is interesting that they focus on Tyborc, one of the few recognisable names from the war (which was really about the theme of faceless warfare) and the cover art is a poor version of some of the original Vraks artwork...
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I heard his second DKK novel wasn’t great
Maybe all the source material for Vraks will help?
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I loved the first one but the second was a dissapointment. Hopefully Siege one will be much better.
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Didn't see that anywhere, but Steve Lyons has always been a great DKoK author. I doubt he will focus on the entirety of the Siege. Perhaps written from the perspective of Captain-Major-Colonel Tyborc?
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Meh. Dead Men Walking wasn't great, and frankly verged hard into cringe at times.
Ooh Grenadiers are literal child soldiers. Edgy.
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Arbiter Ian did a review of Titanicus on YouTube just recently, so based on that alone it got my vote!
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Titanicus and Grey Seer got my votes, never read any of the others.
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Same here
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Lelith did, but chances are you the customer won't be able to!
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If someone wants to participate in that chase...I am perfectly fine with a non limited book.
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Wow, someone remembered the Ynnari exist!
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Have there been any Necron or Eldar novels released in paperback in the last year? The last two years?
Is there anywhere to buy them at MSRP and not Amazon Pricing?
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I thought the darkoath guys were getting a novel? Super weird they aren't launching it alongside the box.
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CaptainKlang wrote:I thought the darkoath guys were getting a novel? Super weird they aren't launching it alongside the box.
The upcoming army boxed set is Darkoath in general.
The novel that was previewed was about a specific group of characters that have featured in a Warham+ animation and are getting their own boxed set. That boxed set and the novel will probably launch in conjunction with each other, much like the Blacktalons and Callis & Toll box each went up for pre-order with a bespoke novel.
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wasn’t that Godeater story Darkoath?
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Maybe BL should look into new Titan and Skaven books instead of just reprints.
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And then only release fifteen copies in gold-plated hardback of each.
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I thought that wasn’t coming out until June or July? I preordered it through Amazon as soon as I became aware of it.
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I just received an email from the Black Library team about a voucher. Does anyone know what this voucher is for?
We are happy to share with you your Black Library Digital voucher code. This voucher code can be redeemed on https://www.blacklibrary.com/ only.
During checkout you can apply your unique voucher code in the ‘Redeem Voucher’ section. your unique Voucher code is:
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If you don't already have an account on BlackLibrary.com you will need to create one during checkout.
If you have any questions please reach out to our Customer Service team.
We hope you enjoy your Black Library purchase.
Kind regards,
Warhammer Web Team
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Bonus for Warhammer+?
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Laemos wrote:I just received an email from the Black Library team about a voucher. Does anyone know what this voucher is for?
We are happy to share with you your Black Library Digital voucher code. This voucher code can be redeemed on https://www.blacklibrary.com/ only.
During checkout you can apply your unique voucher code in the ‘Redeem Voucher’ section. your unique Voucher code is:
<redacted>
If you don't already have an account on BlackLibrary.com you will need to create one during checkout.
If you have any questions please reach out to our Customer Service team.
We hope you enjoy your Black Library purchase.
Kind regards,
Warhammer Web Team
I got one too, no idea why.
I've never signed up to Warhammer+, so it's not that.
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Just a heads up on the new Ciaphas Cain novel, Vainglorious: the opening introduction by the inquisitor gives what appear to be massive spoilers. I’m about halfway through the novel and the threat mentioned in the intro has not yet revealed itself but is almost certainly what Cain will stumble on by the end. I suggest skipping the first section under the Inquisition skull if you want to avoid spoilers.
The purpose of the opening is for the author to explain the massive difference in the background that occurred between earlier Ciaphas Cain stories and this story, a difference that would apparently be jarring without the heads up. I can’t say I blame him.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Just a heads up on the new Ciaphas Cain novel, Vainglorious: the opening introduction by the inquisitor gives what appear to be massive spoilers. I’m about halfway through the novel and the threat mentioned in the intro has not yet revealed itself but is almost certainly what Cain will stumble on by the end. I suggest skipping the first section under the Inquisition skull if you want to avoid spoilers.
The purpose of the opening is for the author to explain the massive difference in the background that occurred between earlier Ciaphas Cain stories and this story, a difference that would apparently be jarring without the heads up. I can’t say I blame him.
Thanks for the heads up. Is the change in setting the whole Great Rift malarkey?
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No, it’s a different thing. The very first sentence of the introduction seems like a spoiler.
The Great Rift also gets a mention, although it is still in this story’s future.
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Vainglorious was a pretty solid Ciaphas Cain story. I wouldn’t put it in the same level as The Traitor’s Hand, but maybe with Caves if Ice or Duty Calls. The villains are more memorable than the ones from the last couple of books, and Jurgen gets a lot to do. More Jurgen is always good, although the downside of that is there was an unfortunate number of “giving me the full benefit of his halitosis” jokes.
The introduction page turns out to be a pretty big spoiler for the reveal 2/3rds through in the way that Abigail teasers telling you she’s a vampire make the first 30-40 minutes of the film a little less exciting. I don’t know why it wasn’t just inserted in between the relevant chapters.
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Somehow they keep making the Vraks covers even worse...
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:The introduction page turns out to be a pretty big spoiler for the reveal 2/3rds through in the way that Abigail teasers telling you she’s a vampire make the first 30-40 minutes of the film a little less exciting. I don’t know why it wasn’t just inserted in between the relevant chapters.
So they've gone full Terminator on spoilers. You never want to go full Terminator.
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Or Full Predator, where the first shot tells you the mysterious force hunting our heroes is an alien from outer space.
Or Full Dark City theatrical cut.
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I had the same thought. The artwork from the Forge World books that is clearly the inspiration for that book cover was vastly better.
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A neat model! The sword is bit OTT, but she's very cool.
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Aye, the character model is very nice.
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A model for her debut novel no less...
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Shame that she's a Rose, but I'm sure a way can be found around that. Huzzah that she has a helmet! A really nice model.
Boo for yet another Sororitas character whose story is prefaced with daemon.
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Pretty and unobtainable. the usual then.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
It seems like a weird business model to spend so much effort making the bulk of your loyal customers feel so left out and unappreciated.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:It seems like a weird business model to spend so much effort making the bulk of your loyal customers feel so left out and unappreciated.
As long as it sells they will think it is the correct way of doing things. And sadly it will sell so they will continue.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Maybe, since they delayed the release of this from BL Day, they've printed up a few extra copies? I'm guessing since this article is up that pre-order will be this weekend, for those lucky few.
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I'm quite happy maintaining my stance of not buying anything from Black Library, lest my purchasing somehow be misconstrued as tolerance of their atrocious business model.
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Lord Damocles wrote:I'm quite happy maintaining my stance of not buying anything from Black Library, lest my purchasing somehow be misconstrued as tolerance of their atrocious business model.
Ive reached the point where I only get something if I see it on the shelf at either my FLGS or Barnes and Noble whenever I stop in
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Wasn’t that an Old World novel written by CL Werner?
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Are you thinking of Vermintide? He wrote it under the pseudonym Bruno Lee.
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Ah yes. That’s what I was thinking of.
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More desperate for the included Book of Saints, really. It'll turn out to just be reprints of existing codex text, won't it?
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Shakalooloo wrote:
More desperate for the included Book of Saints, really. It'll turn out to just be reprints of existing codex text, won't it?
It will simply contain links to their Lexicanum entries
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Shadow Walker wrote: Shakalooloo wrote:
More desperate for the included Book of Saints, really. It'll turn out to just be reprints of existing codex text, won't it?
It will simply contain links to their Lexicanum entries 
Eager to see what the latest retcons will be, since Saint Dolan's been done so dirty in the more recent codices.
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Shakalooloo wrote:
Eager to see what the latest retcons will be, since Saint Dolan's been done so dirty in the more recent codices.
Never read them. What was there?
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The Plague of Unbelief was originally a simple rebellion by a cardinal and his cronies taking advantage of a lack of Imperial oversight, carving out a little empire for himself. Saint Dolan spoke out against him, got put on trial and martyred, and then the people rose up against the oppressors.
Now, the Dawn of Fire series says that there's some weird artefact behind the whole thing that Abaddon can weaponise, and the 8th edition Codex mentions the plague being put down by the first mass deployment of the Adepta Sororitas, which inspired the cardinal's followers to turn on him.
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Shakalooloo wrote:
The Plague of Unbelief was originally a simple rebellion by a cardinal and his cronies taking advantage of a lack of Imperial oversight, carving out a little empire for himself. Saint Dolan spoke out against him, got put on trial and martyred, and then the people rose up against the oppressors.
Now, the Dawn of Fire series says that there's some weird artefact behind the whole thing that Abaddon can weaponise, and the 8th edition Codex mentions the plague being put down by the first mass deployment of the Adepta Sororitas, which inspired the cardinal's followers to turn on him.
Dawn of Fire is trash but why did they made changes in a codex? I guess Bucharis being an idiot was not enough.
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Shadow Walker wrote: Shakalooloo wrote:
The Plague of Unbelief was originally a simple rebellion by a cardinal and his cronies taking advantage of a lack of Imperial oversight, carving out a little empire for himself. Saint Dolan spoke out against him, got put on trial and martyred, and then the people rose up against the oppressors.
Now, the Dawn of Fire series says that there's some weird artefact behind the whole thing that Abaddon can weaponise, and the 8th edition Codex mentions the plague being put down by the first mass deployment of the Adepta Sororitas, which inspired the cardinal's followers to turn on him.
Dawn of Fire is trash but why did they made changes in a codex? I guess Bucharis being an idiot was not enough.
Part of the fun of a new codex is seeing what new mistakes got made. In the 10th edition Sororitas codex, they've corrected the mistake from 9th where they had Vandire being an Ecclesiarch that usurped the Administratum (the inverse is true), but in the very same paragraph they throw the whole thing out by thousand years, making it M37 instead of M36! One hand giveth, the other taketh away...
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Shakalooloo wrote:
Part of the fun of a new codex is seeing what new mistakes got made. In the 10th edition Sororitas codex, they've corrected the mistake from 9th where they had Vandire being an Ecclesiarch that usurped the Administratum (the inverse is true), but in the very same paragraph they throw the whole thing out by thousand years, making it M37 instead of M36! One hand giveth, the other taketh away...
Proofreading is considered a sin by GW
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Interesting that it's seemingly alluding to the events of "Cadian Blood" with the Abaddon bit.
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Out of the loop on this front, but have any new Crime novels been announced as of late?
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BrookM wrote:Out of the loop on this front, but have any new Crime novels been announced as of late?
The 40K Crime books have been mostly excellent. I certainly look forward to more, but have not seen any announced recently.
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Shame, as I really enjoy it all taking place in a single place and there is some, but not an awful lot of, overlap between the various stories, while the characters stay in their own lanes / have their own arcs.
Seems they stopped doing the regular Inferno! books completely, pity.
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Hot take: Dead Men Walking was mediocre.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Still better than 15 Hours.
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Eh. 15 Hours has fewer unintentionally GrimDerp moments like Scrabs full of goo, literal child soldiers, or playing hot potato with melta guns...
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What is wrong with 15 Hours?
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That paperback release for Queen of Knives (pre-order next week) is pretty rapid, isn't it?
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Shakalooloo wrote:That paperback release for Queen of Knives (pre-order next week) is pretty rapid, isn't it?
They wrote it is a regular release so I guess it is a regular = non-limited hardback. Cadia and Bile are paperbacks.
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Shadow Walker wrote: Shakalooloo wrote:That paperback release for Queen of Knives (pre-order next week) is pretty rapid, isn't it?
They wrote it is a regular release so I guess it is a regular = non-limited hardback. Cadia and Bile are paperbacks.
Ah, that makes more sense. Must have been delayed, since the Ahriman book is having its hardback alongside the LE.
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I can't believe it took this long for them to do something with Gryphonne.
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Kanluwen wrote:I can't believe it took this long for them to do something with Gryphonne.
Yeah, Tyranid invasion seems like a ready script for a series of novels.
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Oh snap, I usually give marine books a wide berth, but the previous novels by Robbie about the Space Sharks have been damned good reads, still hoping for a next one in that series.
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Interesting that two of the three appear to have female protagonists.
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Yes! A sequel to Ougunned! That one was pretty fun, showing us the propagandists of the Imperium at work.
Bugger, I guess the original was popular enough that the sequel is coming to hardback first...
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Hmm, it's been a while since I was actually interested in BL releases. All 3 sound good, assuming they release them in reasonable formats and not ultra limited edition hardback
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I loved Outgunned so its sequel is my favourite from the three shown but the other two also sound interesting so hopefully they will not disappoint.
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I love the Ad Mech lady’s hair of wires. It looks like that old white dwarf cover or that necromunda bounty hunter (that I think is based off the former)
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Do I want another copy of Ravenor for my collection? Yes. Yes I do!
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I'm hoping they put out a new omnibus to match the Eisenhorn one from 2022. Though those often get just released with no announcement.
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Shame they ordered new Coteaz art from Wish to use on Daemonhammer.
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deano2099 wrote:I'm hoping they put out a new omnibus to match the Eisenhorn one from 2022. Though those often get just released with no announcement.
I hope we get some 'red text' editions of Malleus and Hereticus to go with the Xenos one.
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The covers are ugly as sin. I'm keen to read it because I'm interested in a bit of a delve into the Kin. Trouble is Gav Thorpe is extremely hit and miss bless him.
Dark Angels books and Fantasy Dwarf books were pretty good.
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Basically impossible to get the regular editions, but at least now you can show how willing you are to get gouged.
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By 'special' do they mean ugly as f....?
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Shows how absolutely absurd Warhammer Book prices can be that a signed, numbered, limited edition hardback book with special unique covers and short stories included, is probably going to end up being a cheaper way to get to read those book than buying a used copy of the mass produced ordinary paperbacks that released within the past few years.
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Is that the only “affordable” way to get the Twice Dead King series now?
Why the hell don’t they print a second run of books that command such prices?
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:Is that the only “affordable” way to get the Twice Dead King series now?
Why the hell don’t they print a second run of books that command such prices?
Well, that's kind of what they have done here, but at pretty inflated prices!
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Most BL books are available digitally.
Honestly with the ability to zoom into text it's how I do most of my reading now.
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I can’t read novels off a screen. I’ve tried it many times, but I just can’t get into the visualization stage of reading it I’m using a phone or tablet. If the choice is read it from an ebook or don’t read it at all, the effect is the same either way.
I also tried the audiobooks BL was selling, but I just tune them out like a car radio during a tricky merge.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:I can’t read novels off a screen. I’ve tried it many times, but I just can’t get into the visualization stage of reading it I’m using a phone or tablet. If the choice is read it from an ebook or don’t read it at all, the effect is the same either way.
I also tried the audiobooks BL was selling, but I just tune them out like a car radio during a tricky merge.
Have you tried an actual e-reader like a Kindle Paperwite? They are night-and-day different to a tablet/phone. With the backlight built into most models now they are effortless to read with.
I'm a big fan of books, but I do a LOT of reading now on my Paperwite e-book. It's great being able to read a 1000page novel without my fingers aching; without cracking the spine; and without having to contort my back into odd angles at night to read in dimmer light.
Heck you can have the lights fully off and keep reading.
Tablets and phones have a very harsh bright glare to them; plus they are digital so there's always the temptation to get lulled into checking social media/forums/emails/something else and get distracted.
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I read off my PC.
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Screens lack Book Smell.
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That and the fact Kindles are rubbish with pictures/images* are the only real downsides
Oh and you can't page flip easily. So for novels they are great; but for reference material or such a physical book is 100% the best and PC/pdf second best
*its not just that they are black and white only; their whole interface and processor speed are all quite slow and not really slick.
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Overread wrote:
That and the fact Kindles are rubbish with pictures/images* are the only real downsides
Oh and you can't page flip easily. So for novels they are great; but for reference material or such a physical book is 100% the best and PC/pdf second best
*its not just that they are black and white only; their whole interface and processor speed are all quite slow and not really slick.
You also can't have a shelf of ebooks.
And real books don't run out of battery.
And you can't [realistically] buy ebooks second hand.
And a real book won't be made unreadable as technology changes.
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Lord Damocles wrote: Overread wrote:
That and the fact Kindles are rubbish with pictures/images* are the only real downsides
Oh and you can't page flip easily. So for novels they are great; but for reference material or such a physical book is 100% the best and PC/pdf second best
*its not just that they are black and white only; their whole interface and processor speed are all quite slow and not really slick.
You also can't have a shelf of ebooks.
And real books don't run out of battery.
And you can't [realistically] buy ebooks second hand.
And a real book won't be made unreadable as technology changes.
Can’t wipe your backside with a Kindle when it all goes wrong on a camping trip, either.
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But you CAN read in the dark without waking up the person next to you as you don't have to have the main light on.
There are upsides and downsides to both - I still buy books. And yes the Kindle "library" is a bit of a pain to work with (because like a lot of modern interfaces its made to sell you things not organise your things)
But I still utterly love it. Heck you can even get that "book shop experience" by having samples from Amazon sent to your ereader (its an option on the righthand side in all the buying and wishlist part when viewing an ebook).
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Lord Damocles wrote: Overread wrote:
That and the fact Kindles are rubbish with pictures/images* are the only real downsides
Oh and you can't page flip easily. So for novels they are great; but for reference material or such a physical book is 100% the best and PC/pdf second best
*its not just that they are black and white only; their whole interface and processor speed are all quite slow and not really slick.
You also can't have a shelf of ebooks.
And real books don't run out of battery.
And you can't [realistically] buy ebooks second hand.
And a real book won't be made unreadable as technology changes.
All true, but you CAN buy franchise ebooks at somewhat normal prices compared to shelling out for secondhand books like these. I'm definitely still on the side of print books, but ebooks (on an ereader specifically, not on a tablet for me) are good for certain things.
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I have not tried an ereader. Perhaps that would solve my problems. However, I still have a huge library of books to get through, and a love of the tactile experience. When I get older and my eyes fail me more and more, I’ll get that kindle and finally read up on those wacky Newcrons.
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Other than The Horus Heresy, I had to switch over to Kindle on practical grounds - if I hadn't I'd have had to find enough bookshelf space for (checks list) 430 books.
I already have (list again) 2147 real books.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:I have not tried an ereader. Perhaps that would solve my problems. However, I still have a huge library of books to get through, and a love of the tactile experience. When I get older and my eyes fail me more and more, I’ll get that kindle and finally read up on those wacky Newcrons.
Yeah, one of the upsides. I like the tactile nature of books a lot too, and the non-issue with batteries, and the fact that you own the thing and not just a license, etc. etc. etc. But there are benefits, and increasing font size is one of them. Some of them (not sure about Kindles) can also link to your local public library also and you can borrow books that way.
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farmersboy wrote:Other than The Horus Heresy, I had to switch over to Kindle on practical grounds - if I hadn't I'd have had to find enough bookshelf space for (checks list) 430 books.
I already have (list again) 2147 real books.
This. I decorate with books. I have an absurd amount of books. My poor Nook had a 1k+ library of books accumulated on it. My paperwhite has a significantly smaller amount of books but I mostly use it for trashy kindle unlimited series.
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I have 805 Kindle books in total, and still using what is claimed to be the best one out there, the Kindle Voyage. 8 years old, replaced the battery because a 'full' charge of 90-2 % wasn't good enough for me.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I suppose the answer is no, since I can't find it, but any whispers or hints of when Dan Abnett's Pandemonium will be coming out?
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Very surprised to see another Dan Abnett Aeronautica-themed novel, and its just great to have more of that type of story in general.
That's a pretty cool limited edition too.
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I won’t be bothering with the spenny limited box but I’m really happy to see this. I love Double Eagle.
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Mentlegen324 wrote:Very surprised to see another Dan Abnett Aeronautica-themed novel, and its just great to have more of that type of story in general.
That's a pretty cool limited edition too.
I'm sure I remember him mentioning wanting to do a sequel to Double Eagle in old interviews, but that he had far too much other stuff on his plate. I'm guessing this is a chance to do something 'fun' after that Siege ending.
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Anything is more fun after that slog of a read. Bloody hell! We used to joke Dan couldn't write a proper ending and would always rush it, the trilogy of final Siege books really drew it out to a tedious length.
Here's hoping Pandaemonium is next though.
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BrookM wrote:Anything is more fun after that slog of a read. Bloody hell! We used to joke Dan couldn't write a proper ending and would always rush it, the trilogy of final Siege books really drew it out to a tedious length.
Here's hoping Pandaemonium is next though.
Well he couldn't write a damn ending for Loken......I'm still pissed about it. And yes, after all that slog the pay off was....mediocre.
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Hulksmash wrote: BrookM wrote:Anything is more fun after that slog of a read. Bloody hell! We used to joke Dan couldn't write a proper ending and would always rush it, the trilogy of final Siege books really drew it out to a tedious length.
Here's hoping Pandaemonium is next though.
Well he couldn't write a damn ending for Loken......I'm still pissed about it. And yes, after all that slog the pay off was....mediocre.
But at least it wasn't rushed!
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
If Interceptor City, then maybe Titanicus 2?
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Awww yiss, Double Eagle is still a favourite and the Sabbat Worlds books are about all a grumpy old git who doesn't care for the new setting has to look forward to, so I'm very excited by this. I might even make an inevitably futile attempt at the FOMO edition.
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Post by: schoon
Heh - heh. We can always dream...
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Post by: Hellebore
Is the tau book out yet?
i'm taking bets on whether the tau get to actually win in a book about them, or if the raptor marine antagonist actually wins anyway or 'doesn't lose'. Extra marine propaganda points if he survives the story because marines have to have plot armour even when they're not the protagonist.
IMO if GW gave the protagonism winning powers of marines to tau and eldar, their books would be a lot more popular.
Instead we get books that spend a lot of time telling how crap they are and how they lose a lot and are sold it as 'faction fiction!'
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Post by: Lathe Biosas
Didn't the Tau win in the fire warrior novel that was based on the game?
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Post by: BrookM
Shakalooloo wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0kkusrqx/sunday-preview-load-up-on-the-new-christmas-battleforces/
Annotated 'Malleus' finally, three years after 'Xenos'! Five illustrations seems a little on the low side, though.
Did not expect this one to drop, but it'll go nicely with the rest of the collection, if I can get a copy.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Assuming that the plot of the book follows that of the game, the Tau will 'win' insofar as the protagonist survives and their ship gets away (although crippled), but their invasion force is wiped out and they lose their Ethereal in the process, so their original mission is a total failure.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Lord Damocles wrote:
Assuming that the plot of the book follows that of the game, the Tau will 'win' insofar as the protagonist survives and their ship gets away (although crippled), but their invasion force is wiped out and they lose their Ethereal in the process, so their original mission is a total failure.
With how well Space Marine 2 has done, maybe a Fire Warrior 2 in the future?
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Post by: Hellebore
MajorWesJanson wrote: Lord Damocles wrote:
Assuming that the plot of the book follows that of the game, the Tau will 'win' insofar as the protagonist survives and their ship gets away (although crippled), but their invasion force is wiped out and they lose their Ethereal in the process, so their original mission is a total failure.
With how well Space Marine 2 has done, maybe a Fire Warrior 2 in the future?
It would be great to see. Heck, a game where you play as an eldar traveling the aspects of the path of the warrior would be fantastic, each time you're on a different aspect you have completely different fighting styles and your character equips weapon variants from the shrine. The story could uniquely follow the character for centuries, each time they're appearing at a different point in the scheme of the farseer to enact a precise attack to generate the needed outcome.
There are some amazing storytelling opportunities available. But my cynicism tells me that GW have hitched their wagon to marines being the 40k protagonists and won't do anything to dilute that. You see if whenever marines show up in their fiction when they aren't the protagonists. They basically get protagonism powers and take over the story, never being allowed to look bad or failing.
It's like black library is hollywood and space marines are A listers who have crazy riders that mean they can never look lame, lose a fight or appear as a pointless side character. They must always be the best everytime they show up regardless of the context.
If you want to know how to get people to read books that aren't about marines or the imperium - write your tau and eldar stories like the character has space marine protagonism protection and see the popularity soar... people like cool characters that win, not long winded emo stories of how much they suck.
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Post by: Overread
GOTREK is back! With a new book Verminslayer!!
This might mean that we get to see another old skaven friend of his!
(though I'm noting a distinct lack of grumpy aelf on the front cover still...)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/vxticy5n/coming-soon-from-black-library-gotrek-returns-alongside-the-grey-knights-and-the-primarchs/
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Overread wrote:
This might mean that we get to see another old skaven friend of his! 
The world blew up. But don't worry, everybody survived!
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Post by: GaroRobe
I mean, we do know what happened to grumpy aelf a few books ago…
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Post by: Overread
Lord Damocles wrote: Overread wrote:
This might mean that we get to see another old skaven friend of his! 
The world blew up. But don't worry, everybody survived!
I mean far as we know only 4 characters survived.
Gotrek, Thanquol, technically possibly Ulrika is alive somewhere in Nagash** and Felix is heavily hinted at being a Stormcast. Though the latter is only a possible hint.
Or at least as some memory of one of the dead from the Old World. Though its unlikely he'd ever bring her out unless Gotrek was actually a threat to him in a big way.
GaroRobe wrote:I mean, we do know what happened to grumpy aelf a few books ago…
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Post by: Hellebore
Damocles is talking about WFB in general.
Teclis, Tyrion, Allarielle, Nagash, Archaon, Gotrek, Thanquol, the white dwarf, all the daemon characters (a bit of a cheat because they can't really die), Kroak (has mazdamundi survived?), Kroq Gar, Morathi, Malekith, Nagash, mannfred von Carstein.
I'm sure I've missed someone. GW's business model is built around the narrative equivalent of trying to have your cake and eat it too.
EDIT: Balthasar Gelt apparently, Nerferata, arkhan the black, Ushoran, Eltharion (in spirit form), Drycha, Sigvald, ikit klaw,
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Post by: Overread
Tobe honest the only problem I have with it all is that AoS is supposed to be the 4rd age in the setting - after the world blew up and after the AoS world. By that point there should be nothing left not even a memory of the Old World and most of the characters that weren't Demons or Slaan would be bonkers old by the time AoS hits.
I do agree a good chunk of the setup is a bit -- daft
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Post by: Hellebore
They didn't trust that their new product could stand on its own without a massive dose of WFB nostalgia holding it together.
I would agree with them. If they stripped it all out it would just be Planescape fantasy battles.
The overreliance on soul mcguffins in AoS means that they can effectively resurrect anyone however they want. It's a comic narrative's wet dream.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Ah, now that Malleus is up for pre-order, it's fifteen illustrations that it includes. That's more like it!
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What are you, psychic?
Not sure if it's a sequel, but I guess its implied
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Have to say i'm a sucker for a purple and gold combo.
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Post by: BrookM
Quite excited for more Space Shark stuff myself.
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Post by: Overread
GaroRobe wrote:
What are you, psychic?
Not sure if it's a sequel, but I guess its implied
Perhaps! That or just lucky
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Post by: Mr Morden
I enjoyed Bone Desert the most tbh but I don't think the author did any more Gotrek and Maleneth
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Post by: Shakalooloo
The Interceptor City special limited edition still hasn't sold out yet. Is this an indicator that the scalper-rush is over?
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Post by: The Phazer
Shakalooloo wrote:The Interceptor City special limited edition still hasn't sold out yet. Is this an indicator that the scalper-rush is over?
Certainly that they've figured out there's not that much demand for anything that isn't Primarch/ HH related. We still might see it there.
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Post by: Alpharius
As there been any indication of when the 'regular' edition for Interceptor will be out?
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Amazon description of Dark Coil wrote:Peter Feheravi’s Dark Coil tales spin an intricate web across the grim darkness of the far future. From the fecund jungles of the Dolorosa Coil, to a shrine world ruled by a mysterious cult with a world-ending secret, this anthology includes the novels Fire Caste, Cult of the Spiral Dawn, and a selection of short stories, all exploring the strange and acclaimed worlds of the Dark Coil.
So, looks like the upcoming Fehevari anthology contains only the books that I don't already have, just what I needed!  I made the right decision not to splurge on the repetition included in that Special Edition hardback set!
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Post by: ImAGeek
Shakalooloo wrote:Amazon description of Dark Coil wrote:Peter Feheravi’s Dark Coil tales spin an intricate web across the grim darkness of the far future. From the fecund jungles of the Dolorosa Coil, to a shrine world ruled by a mysterious cult with a world-ending secret, this anthology includes the novels Fire Caste, Cult of the Spiral Dawn, and a selection of short stories, all exploring the strange and acclaimed worlds of the Dark Coil.
So, looks like the upcoming Fehevari anthology contains only the books that I don't already have, just what I needed!  I made the right decision not to splurge on the repetition included in that Special Edition hardback set!
There’s a second anthology coming later with the rest too.
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Post by: deano2099
New paperback Ravenor omnibus including the short stories in July. Also Grey Knights and Space Wolves ones (spotted on Amazon)
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Post by: BrookM
New omnibus, or yet another reprint? It's been reprinted three or so times already now? Now if they did illustrated and annotated versions like with the Eisenhorn trilogy.. 🥺
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Post by: deano2099
It's a new version presumably with a different slate of short stories (the most recent Eisenhorn omnibus included The Magos but omitted other short stories from the previous version, I'd assume this will have the rest and anything else missing).
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Post by: BrookM
I wonder what short stories there might still be then? Because the first(?) omnibus already featured the prequel stories about Patience KYS and Thorn Wishes Talon.
I wish Pandaemonium would be announced already.
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Post by: deano2099
Most recent Eisenhorn omnibus has:
Reggia Occulta
Missing in Action
Backcloth for a Crown Additional
The Keeler Image
Which leaves:
Pestilence
Master Imus's Transgression
The Strange Demise of Titus Endor
The Curiosity
Playing Patience
Thorne Wishes Talon
Gardens of Tycho
Perihelion
Of those, Thorn Wishes Talon and Playing Patience were in the original Ravenor omnibus, so I'd expect those.
Perihelion I'd expect in a theoretical future Bequin omnibus. Would be nice if the others found their way in somewhere.
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Post by: ikeulhu
Indeed, that one can not come soon enough yet has been delayed by things out of his control, according to Dan himself. Would not surprise me if that is being delayed to coincide with some later 40k related release, especially if what it reveals has as large an impact on the setting as has been potentially hinted at.
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Post by: porkuslime
simple question for the team..
Is there any way to periodically check what books are coming out that are in "real book" format?
I keep checking the Black Library website and only see e-books and audio.. all the icons for printed material are always grey-ed out for me
My local Warhammer store has no clue.. manager says he knows when a new title comes out when he gets it in the weekly restock delivery.
I want to preorder stuff, to make sure I get authors I enjoy, but cannot figure out how to do so
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Post by: BrookM
They used to have a preview page showing in advance what would be coming throughout the year, but they stopped doing that.
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Post by: Overread
Whilst BL are honestly pretty good at keeping things in print/ebook format (at least for novels) they are shockingly bad at conveying information on what they've got.
Eg if you want Old World stuff you have to go hunting and good luck working out which short and long stories are in which compiled publications - Old World isn't too bad but 40K and AoS are a mess of the same short stories getting rebundled over and over here and there.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
porkuslime wrote:simple question for the team..
Is there any way to periodically check what books are coming out that are in "real book" format?
Amazon's usually pretty reliable, although they aren't always correct on the release dates.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
combining an amazon search either for black library https://www.amazon.com/s?k=black+library or a specific book with their coming soon filter is not bad
the dates may not be totally accurate but give a good indication that the book is showing up in the near future
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Post by: BrookM
BL Weekender is a few weeks away, here's hoping for at least one Crime announcement. 🤞🏻
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
BrookM wrote:BL Weekender is a few weeks away, here's hoping for at least one Crime announcement. 🤞🏻
I'm just hoping for a few new books that aren't special edition reprints for the 8th time
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Post by: Lathe Biosas
MajorWesJanson wrote: BrookM wrote:BL Weekender is a few weeks away, here's hoping for at least one Crime announcement. 🤞🏻
I'm just hoping for a few new books that aren't special edition reprints for the 8th time
I'm just hoping for a Dan Abnett book that has "The End."
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Lathe Biosas wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote: BrookM wrote:BL Weekender is a few weeks away, here's hoping for at least one Crime announcement. 🤞🏻
I'm just hoping for a few new books that aren't special edition reprints for the 8th time
I'm just hoping for a Dan Abnett book that has "The End."
Besides The End and The Death and The Desolation of Smaug trilogy?
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Post by: ScarletRose
Can't wait for the post-post-post sequel where learn what happened to Sigismund's serf's spare broom, and how the lack of proper sweeping up impacted the 41st millennium.
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Post by: Lathe Biosas
ScarletRose wrote:Can't wait for the post-post-post sequel where learn what happened to Sigismund's serf's spare broom, and how the lack of proper sweeping up impacted the 41st millennium.
Hopefully, Black Library will put out a limited edition model to accompany its release.
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Post by: Malika2
BrookM wrote:I wonder what short stories there might still be then? Because the first(?) omnibus already featured the prequel stories about Patience KYS and Thorn Wishes Talon.
I wish Pandaemonium would be announced already.
Well, wasn't there also Lepidopterophobia (Medea Unbound) and Born to Us?
This might also come in handy: https://www.trackofwords.com/2021/02/14/a-guide-to-dan-abnetts-inquisition-series/
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Post by: deano2099
If they're all new that still leaves a bunch of HH short stories that haven't been collected yet that came out after the last anthology.
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Post by: Lathe Biosas
deano2099 wrote:
If they're all new that still leaves a bunch of HH short stories that haven't been collected yet that came out after the last anthology.
Did they ever release John French's Ordo Sinister novella in an Anthony. I can't find it.
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Post by: Old-Four-Arms
Lathe Biosas wrote:deano2099 wrote:
If they're all new that still leaves a bunch of HH short stories that haven't been collected yet that came out after the last anthology.
Did they ever release John French's Ordo Sinister novella in an Anthony. I can't find it.
Ordo Sinister is in "The Burden of Loyalty" anthology.
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Post by: The Phazer
deano2099 wrote:
If they're all new that still leaves a bunch of HH short stories that haven't been collected yet that came out after the last anthology.
I imagine they will get stuck in some kind of 'Progeny of the Emperor' HH Primarchs book at some point.
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Post by: Lathe Biosas
Old-Four-Arms wrote: Lathe Biosas wrote:deano2099 wrote:
If they're all new that still leaves a bunch of HH short stories that haven't been collected yet that came out after the last anthology.
Did they ever release John French's Ordo Sinister novella in an Anthony. I can't find it.
Ordo Sinister is in "The Burden of Loyalty" anthology.
Thank you!
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Post by: laam999
Is the crime series gone now? There was nothing announced and nothing last year.
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Post by: schoon
That would be a pity, as it's produced some of their best titles, IMO.
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Post by: BrookM
And the series as a whole was working towards something big.
Also looking more and more like BL has killed off their audio dramas for good with nary a peep. Really annoying as Agent of the Throne was also building to something interesting.
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Post by: Overread
I think Covid might have killed audio dramas.
A shame I was hoping we might get another Brian Blessed Gotrek audio drama.
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Post by: BrookM
Would be nice if they picked it up again, they had a great cast of voice actors and the quality of the dramas certainly improved over time.
Also, where's the third book in the Inquisitor Covenant trilogy already. 😭
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Post by: Overread
Agreed and audio novels are not the same - for some reason I can never settle to listen to an audio novel; but an audio drama is good fun to listen too.
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Post by: GaroRobe
Really? I can never get into an audio drama, unless its something super short. I really hate the characters having to overexplain everything they see or hear so we can know what's going on. The dialogue usually comes across cheesy and forced and not how normal people talk.
"Great Sigmar, look over that hill! That orruk is massive, must be twenty feet at least! And now he's using an axe to cut straight through the stormcast!"
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Interceptor City and Double Eagle are hardbacks with a 10% price increase from the last lot released. :(
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
The covers are quite nice at least.
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Post by: BrookM
Here's hoping it lives up to the long wait and hype.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Shakalooloo wrote:Interceptor City and Double Eagle are hardbacks with a 10% price increase from the last lot released. :(
You'll pay the increased price or you'll get The End And The Death Part 4!
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Post by: Dysartes
I see Mad Doc is getting his own novel...
...anyone know how the rest of us mere mortals manage that?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Well, you first have to be really cool.
So no idea how I’m getting one.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
New Ultramarine Captain is so much better than lame old Ultramarine Captain!
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
New BL character model coming?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Lord Damocles wrote: Shakalooloo wrote:Interceptor City and Double Eagle are hardbacks with a 10% price increase from the last lot released. :(
You'll pay the increased price or you'll get The End And The Death Part 4!
I genuinely spit out my drink there.
Kudos sir.
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Post by: The Phazer
Shakalooloo wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9jjd0ot7/dawn-of-fire-hero-ferren-areios-battles-to-reclaim-plague-ridden-worlds-in-new-spin-off-novel-master-of-rites/
Guess GW aren't afraid to throw out spoilers for which characters aren't going to die at the end of Dawn of Fire!
I am not judging the book either way, but they really need a better logline for this book and, well, any form of description whatsoever to make it seem compelling.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: Lord Damocles wrote: Shakalooloo wrote:Interceptor City and Double Eagle are hardbacks with a 10% price increase from the last lot released. :(
You'll pay the increased price or you'll get The End And The Death Part 4!
I genuinely spit out my drink there.
Kudos sir.
Working title "The Death of the End"
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
OMG a collection of thoughts of the day? Can we even hope?
"Hope is the beginning of unhappiness"
I may have to unironically buy this.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
"The loyal slave learns to love the lash."
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Post by: Sacredroach
My all time favorite is "Hope is the denial of reality."
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Post by: BrookM
Might have to get the artbook at some point, the franchise has spawned some lovely game art over time and it's always a fun thing to plonk on the table.
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Post by: Malika2
Dude, I just want the conclusion of the Pariah trilogy or another Gaunt’s Ghosts book, is that too much to ask?
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Post by: Dysartes
Apparently, yes.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Malika2 wrote:Dude, I just want the conclusion of the Pariah trilogy or another Gaunt’s Ghosts book, is that too much to ask?
Yes.
The loyal slave learns to love The End and the Death
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Putting the quote from Cortez next to a picture of Primaris Marines is offensively egregious.
Malika2 wrote:Dude, I just want the conclusion of the Pariah trilogy or another Gaunt’s Ghosts book, is that too much to ask?
Yes. Pariah is going to be the new Game of Thrones.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Nitpick; but I thought that the point of the Paragon exo-armour was that the movements of the pilot were mimicked by the suit (which seems to be supported by the models) - but the arms of the suit on the cover very clearly don't mirror those of the pilot
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Lord Damocles wrote:Nitpick; but I thought that the point of the Paragon exo-armour was that the movements of the pilot were mimicked by the suit (which seems to be supported by the models) - but the arms of the suit on the cover very clearly don't mirror those of the pilot
Forget the arm - how is her leg doing that? The foot ends at the 'knee' of the suit, right? Ouch!
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Post by: Mr Morden
Really enjoy Mike Brooks novels so that's a must buy and I like Nyssa Volari alot as well so look forward to reading that one
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Post by: JWBS
More chick lit.
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Post by: Iracundus
Interesting, I was not expecting any Corsair book. Hopefully it will shed some more light on Corsair society and their relationships with Craftworlds and Commorragh.
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Post by: Hellebore
Is that a Xenos on Xenos book!? That's gold foil ultra rare.
Looks cool, will have to pick it up. It's a shame Bill King never got to finish his Farseer storyline.
Would have also loved a follow on for Gordon Rennie's Shadowpoint, still my favourite BL novel.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
None of those are the Eldar Sketchbook at all.
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Post by: beast_gts
Sunday Preview – Chaos Knights crush the competition
Siege of Terra: Era of Ruin
NOTE: This edition is available while stocks last – and will have a special preorder window. It will go on sale in all regions at 10am BST on Tuesday 10th June. A queue system will be in place at this time on Warhammer.com to ensure the fairest possible distribution.
This compilation will also be available in all the usual versions, including hardback, eBook, and mp3 audiobook editions, which will go on sale on Saturday 7th June at the normal time, alongside all the rest of the products featured in this article.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
beast_gts wrote:Sunday Preview – Chaos Knights crush the competition
Siege of Terra: Era of Ruin
NOTE: This edition is available while stocks last – and will have a special preorder window. It will go on sale in all regions at 10am BST on Tuesday 10th June. A queue system will be in place at this time on Warhammer.com to ensure the fairest possible distribution.
This compilation will also be available in all the usual versions, including hardback, eBook, and mp3 audiobook editions, which will go on sale on Saturday 7th June at the normal time, alongside all the rest of the products featured in this article.
Oh no. Here we go again....
Can't see it going any better than last time where the majority of them almost went to bots.
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Post by: deano2099
So apparently there were so many bots that they ended up taking the entirety of Warhammer.com down for a bit to stop them, and are going to try the sale again later on?!
https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerOfficial/posts/pfbid0NGLkvUafYjdsmFoK6n22Am1hjz3pYwiHczUHdvvT6dXDcF6TPqwzifqyMb2FudFBl
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Post by: Overread
I know some sports groups started creating membership clubs and only members could buy advanced tickets in a bid to try and dissuade ticket touts and bots swarming and stealing up all the early tickets. GW might start to adopt something like that or they could do these books as "in store purchases only" which removes the entire issue of the internet and bots.
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Post by: dienekes96
I was there the day BL tried to sell Aurelian the first time.
Glad to see they’ve sorted everything out.
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Post by: cerebaton
It looks like the normal hardcover has sold out already too - that seems unusual for a new Heresy title? Do these usually come back into stock?
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Post by: BrookM
Books these days have woefully low stock. That or there are scalpers who are also buying those in bulk.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
cerebaton wrote:It looks like the normal hardcover has sold out already too - that seems unusual for a new Heresy title? Do these usually come back into stock?
It'll come back in paperback form at a later date.
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Post by: deano2099
cerebaton wrote:It looks like the normal hardcover has sold out already too - that seems unusual for a new Heresy title? Do these usually come back into stock?
Still available on Amazon, and this version goes out to bookshops so it's generally fairly easy to track down.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
At the local B&N, they had a display of Horus Heresy books, Horus Rising, with the original “1st printing” gold foil. Are BL really just reprinting their rare MMPBs again, or was this a box someone just found buried under some crates?
Also, there were half a dozen Black Library books at most on the shelf, the lowest number I’ve every seen. For a series that regularly made the NYT bestseller list and filled a third of the tie in section, this is a shockingly low presence.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Waterstones in the UK doesn't seem to carry Black Library at all anymore.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
BobtheInquisitor wrote:Also, there were half a dozen Black Library books at most on the shelf, the lowest number I’ve every seen. For a series that regularly made the NYT bestseller list and filled a third of the tie in section, this is a shockingly low presence.
Maybe it's because they keep selling the copies?
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Post by: Shakalooloo
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/eloq521l/sunday-preview-howl-with-the-wolves-of-fenris/
A big haul next week! Final Dawn of Fire, paperback versions of Above and Beyond and Daemonhammer, a re-release of the Ravenor anthology and that Sororitas anthology!
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Post by: deano2099
Ravenor omnibus also includes the short story Perihelion now which the previous version didn't.
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deano2099 wrote:Ravenor omnibus also includes the short story Perihelion now which the previous version didn't.
That was in the 'Magos' original printing.
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