the CONTEMPTOR CYCLONE MISSILE LAUNCHER and CONTEMPTOR HEAVY CONVERSION BEAMER, have just been added to forgeworld, the heavy conversion beam is a bit tasty, using the same rules as a normal but with the 5" template and the contempor cant move, oddly enough there is no mention of the cyclone missile launcher in the experimental rules yet, and i've just noticed the kheres assault launcher is heavy 6.... oh forgeworld you no how to entice me.... my hard earned spawning day money will be going to you =D.
The assault cannon didn't seem any more imposing looking than the standard version so I'm a bit surprised its heavy 6 instead of 4. I'd have predicted it (and the Cyclone) would have the same stats as their terminator equivalents but now I'm not so sure. Also, the experimental rules don't yet support the dakka-dread contemptor (two assault cannons, cyclone missle launcher) as you don't yet have the option of changing out the starting DCCW to a gun.
I seldom EVER say this about forge world but that master of the forge is just awfull looking, and the conversion beamer on him just seems clunkly and silly.
Empchild wrote:I seldom EVER say this about forge world but that master of the forge is just awfull looking, and the conversion beamer on him just seems clunkly and silly.
+1
The Conversion Beamer is just awkward. It is tiny and mounted on an ugly brick of a power pack. The Chapterhouse one is miles better than this.
I don't mind the Master of the Forge to be honest, and those Contemptor weapons look pretty sweet, although I expected a something a bit better than the rules for the Heavy Conversion Beamer.
Empchild wrote:I seldom EVER say this about forge world but that master of the forge is just awfull looking, and the conversion beamer on him just seems clunkly and silly.
He is a very static pose isn't he? That's more my problem with this fig than the actual backpack array. The boarding equipment looks pretty cool. Couldn't see using it in a game, but it makes for a great diorama. Contemptor stuff as usual has got me licking my chops. Deuce asscans and a missile launcher....my DA's need it. Really fortifies a deathwing build.
Empchild wrote:I seldom EVER say this about forge world but that master of the forge is just awfull looking, and the conversion beamer on him just seems clunkly and silly.
+1
The Conversion Beamer is just awkward. It is tiny and mounted on an ugly brick of a power pack. The Chapterhouse one is miles better than this.
They're both uglier then sin. The idea that the beamer looks like a 40s raygun bugs me.
I kind of like the look of the heavy conversion beamer but the techmarine with the standard variant reminds me too much of the old 2nd edition "2-D" scultped marines.
warboss wrote:I kind of like the look of the heavy conversion beamer but the techmarine with the standard variant reminds me too much of the old 2nd edition "2-D" scultped marines.
Agreed. The pose is totally flat, the weapons are silly and not cool looking, the backpack is a boring block, and the conversion beamer has only one axis of rotation. Totally a no-go. I was ready to be impressed by this.
Yep, I was a bit let-down by the Techmarine with Conversion Beamer. Being a smaller company with limited access to sculptors I expect FW to beat us out on detail most of the time..
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Decloaking - The MOTF looks great - lots of great details and the flat block like pose suggests / promotes his Mechanicum roots in my opinion anyway .
This will be added to this months order .
Empchild wrote:I seldom EVER say this about forge world but that master of the forge is just awfull looking, and the conversion beamer on him just seems clunkly and silly.
+1
It just seems so blocky and uninspired...
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Chapterhouse wrote:Yep, I was a bit let-down by the Techmarine with Conversion Beamer. Being a smaller company with limited access to sculptors I expect FW to beat us out on detail most of the time..
Here is ours for comparison, make your own mind up which one is better..
backpack/servo harness is better, but the CH beamer looks awful imho.
If only you could get the FW beamer with the CH backpack/servo harness...
I love the contemptor, that model alone has inspired me to create a Pre-Heresy army, the techpriest on the other hand looks more likely to trip over his excessive steel skirts and power jump rope than actually do any real damage.
Okay, unless that's a camera in the top middle of the shield, exactly how is the Marine on the right aiming correctly at his enemy? I mean, "the Force" ain't exactly part of GW's IP.
Edit: Comment now referring to the intended model.
Breotan wrote:Okay, unless that's a camera in the top middle of the shield, exactly how is the Marine on the left aiming correctly at his enemy? I mean, "the Force" ain't exactly part of GW's IP.
in the grim darkness of the future.. there are only peepholes?
Breotan wrote:Okay, unless that's a camera in the top middle of the shield, exactly how is the Marine on the left aiming correctly at his enemy? I mean, "the Force" ain't exactly part of GW's IP.
ummm.... he has a sword? last I checked swords weren't projectile weapons in the tabletop game.
Breotan wrote:Okay, unless that's a camera in the top middle of the shield, exactly how is the Marine on the left aiming correctly at his enemy? I mean, "the Force" ain't exactly part of GW's IP.
ummm.... he has a sword? last I checked swords weren't projectile weapons in the tabletop game.
warboss wrote:I kind of like the look of the heavy conversion beamer but the techmarine with the standard variant reminds me too much of the old 2nd edition "2-D" scultped marines.
You do realize that if it wasn't for those 2-D marines, Dakka wouldn't have a GW to fixate all of their internet hate and anguish at right?
Etheric Network connection or whatever the 40k equivalent of wireless is .... between weapon and in-helmet sensor array of equipped Marine . He sees what the weapon muzzle sees etc . That's how I would imagine it anyway .
I like the Contemptor weapons, but I still don't like the base model. I don't like the legs, specifically. I like it slightly more after realizing it's a precursor to tactical dreadnought armor, though.
I don't hate Valtrex, although I wonder if they know that his name is nigh-identical to that of a medication for genital herpes. The things you learn working at a pharmacy call center... but I digress. I would cut off those awful whips and give him twin falchions. Also, I wonder if the shoulder pads are cast on the arms, or seperate; ie how hard would it be to convert his chapter.
I'm not crazy about this, or any other, conversion beamer on the market.
warboss wrote:I kind of like the look of the heavy conversion beamer but the techmarine with the standard variant reminds me too much of the old 2nd edition "2-D" scultped marines.
You do realize that if it wasn't for those 2-D marines, Dakka wouldn't have a GW to fixate all of their internet hate and anguish at right?
Nah, there's still finecast, yearly price increases, 'ard boyz tourney missions, lack of specialist games support, the pumbagore...
Breotan wrote:Okay, unless that's a camera in the top middle of the shield, exactly how is the Marine on the right aiming correctly at his enemy? I mean, "the Force" ain't exactly part of GW's IP.
They are boarding action Marines carrying breaching weapons and graviton guns; these weapons require no active aiming. With a breaching weapon you push the muzzle against what you want to breach and pull the trigger, you don't have to actively track a target once you initially line it up. Graviton gun is somewhat of an area of effect type weapon so as long as you are firing forward down a hallway then you are fine. The Marines could also lower their shields if they needed to.
I haven't seen the Contemptor IRL yet; anyone have a guess how well those cyclone missile launchers would fit onto some termies? I like that style a whole lot better than the square box, and still need a few for my DW.
The helmets have additional optic things on them; it looks like that is supposed to 'mesh' with the wee sensor on the shield... guncam style. It makes sense. Why expose an eye lense when you don't have to after all.
Graviton gun is ace! And no disrespect to Chapterhouse but your 'conversion beamer' looks awful.
I don't hate Valtrex, although I wonder if they know that his name is nigh-identical to that of a medication for genital herpes. The things you learn working at a pharmacy call center... but I digress. I would cut off those awful whips and give him twin falchions. Also, I wonder if the shoulder pads are cast on the arms, or seperate; ie how hard would it be to convert his chapter.
I remember Mark Bedford at GD Chicago said that the shoulder pads, back pack, and I think arms are all separate on Valthex.
Kanluwen wrote:Oh look, shameless plug for something just as bad.
I like the Chapter House one much better than the FW one. Better by far.
I agree. I'm not crazy about the 'point bits' on the front, but I do like the servo-arm-assisting-but-underslung look of the CH version. And the backpack looks much less clunky.
it's funny. In mecha/power armor designs I generally love to see shoulder-mount weapons. The FW Master of the Forge is one of the few I haven't thought was cool looking.
johnnyrumour wrote:The helmets have additional optic things on them; it looks like that is supposed to 'mesh' with the wee sensor on the shield... guncam style. It makes sense. Why expose an eye lense when you don't have to after all.
Graviton gun is ace! And no disrespect to Chapterhouse but your 'conversion beamer' looks awful.
No disrespect taken.
Personally I am surprised at how close the backpack from FW is to the one we did. They both sort of went away from the GW standard ones, but are still very close from the front of the model in any case.
For all the boohooers out there, if I was pimping my kit I would have included prices and a link. I was sort of excited to see what the designers at FW would do for the Beamer (I have been playing 40k for 17 years and am a fan as much as most of you), but alas it was not much.
Breotan wrote:Okay, unless that's a camera in the top middle of the shield, exactly how is the Marine on the right aiming correctly at his enemy? I mean, "the Force" ain't exactly part of GW's IP.
Edit: Comment now referring to the intended model.
Aww you totally beat me to it. IMO that is indeed a camera in the top middle of the shield. I noticed it when I was looking at it earlier (seeings how you can't see the marines head at all thru the shield). I think that's a really cool touch to have thought of.
Pedrowan wrote:I haven't seen the Contemptor IRL yet; anyone have a guess how well those cyclone missile launchers would fit onto some termies? I like that style a whole lot better than the square box, and still need a few for my DW.
Yes I have the same question however, I do leieve looking at the picture that they are a tad big for the terminators.
I may get the boarding action kit for a squad or two, just to have them.
As for the Contemptor, I don't think a cheerleading contest between FW and CH versions is going to accomplish anything. People will buy the version they want.
Looks like I'm the odd one out again, I much prefer the CH version of CB.
I think the design features of valthrax or whatever he's called are individually great, but the pose of the model's all wrong. If he had a bit of motion to him - swinging the whips from a defensive stance / crouching whilst obviously repairing a vehicle or bracing for a long shot - would make him much more appealing.
Still an interesting character, I need to get the books to read up on him.
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Kroothawk wrote:Still waiting for the Tamurkan book and Dark Eldar katamaran.
Dark Eldar Katamaran? What's that then? Need to know more!
warboss wrote:I kind of like the look of the heavy conversion beamer but the techmarine with the standard variant reminds me too much of the old 2nd edition "2-D" scultped marines.
You do realize that if it wasn't for those 2-D marines, Dakka wouldn't have a GW to fixate all of their internet hate and anguish at right?
What point are you making here? We're not allowed to criticize bad models because 20 years ago they all looked like that?
That looks fantastic, I can't believe I've missed it - I check the site pretty regularly, unless they have different content on different versions of the site for each country...
So what are we thinking then... is that the Dais of Destruction? Not seeing any DL's... any theories?
Re: the DE Catamaran - Wow. When Forge World wants to, they can really do incredible stuff.
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SonicPara wrote:They are boarding action Marines carrying breaching weapons and graviton guns; these weapons require no active aiming. With a breaching weapon you push the muzzle against what you want to breach and pull the trigger, you don't have to actively track a target once you initially line it up. Graviton gun is somewhat of an area of effect type weapon so as long as you are firing forward down a hallway then you are fine. The Marines could also lower their shields if they needed to.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Graviton guns non-lethal? Are these guys supposed to go in ahead of a squad of regular Tacs?
warboss wrote:The assault cannon didn't seem any more imposing looking than the standard version so I'm a bit surprised its heavy 6 instead of 4. I'd have predicted it (and the Cyclone) would have the same stats as their terminator equivalents but now I'm not so sure. Also, the experimental rules don't yet support the dakka-dread contemptor (two assault cannons, cyclone missle launcher) as you don't yet have the option of changing out the starting DCCW to a gun.
Is it that profile because it is really two guns firing together?
Do you have to have both weapon arms wielding assault cannons?
kitch102 wrote:That looks fantastic, I can't believe I've missed it - I check the site pretty regularly, unless they have different content on different versions of the site for each country...
So what are we thinking then... is that the Dais of Destruction? Not seeing any DL's... any theories?
These are the pics shown on the GD USA presentation, uploaded on the website (can't find a path to it right now).
It is larger than a Dais of Destruction (which is just a special Raider), kind of a Dark Eldar super heavy platform, with rules rumoured to be in IA 12, dedicated to Dark Eldar/Corsairs.
I don't mind the Conversion Beamer to be honest. I think it's nice to see a different take on one (compared to the original versions which were more heavy-weapon-ish and not back-pack-ish). And Conversion Beamers have always had a 'ray gun' look to them with a spiky front end. These new versions are no different. The Contemptor weapons are nice (and why do I keep wanting to call it a Contemplator?).
And I love the boarding Marines. They're fantastic. And I think they have little cameras up top, allowing the Marines to see.
Worglock wrote:You do realize that if it wasn't for those 2-D marines, Dakka wouldn't have a GW to fixate all of their internet hate and anguish at right?
Re: seeing past the boarding shields - Marines can access the sights on their guns through their helmet's internal HUD.
The boarding marines do look pretty awesome- I don't by FW often but these could tempt me.
I like the conversion beamer, just not the model it's mounted on...
Anvildude wrote:Contemptor always sounds like a Chaos thing to me. Contemplator is much more Imperium.
The Imperium rarely contemplates anything. They stubbonly do things based upon superstition, dogmatic tradition and oft-illogical ritual, even when another course of action would be better advised.
In fact they have contempt for contemplation alot of the time...
Good looking boarding shields, the contemptor arms are good and bad, I like the beamer, for the same reason as blood reaper, the assault cannon and plasma gun are great! However, the heavy bolters and missile launcer look odd, still, 3/5 is a pass
The MotF is perhaps the first FW model that I do not like, the whips, backpack and upper torso really let him down.
Loving the Contemptor more and more. Honestly starting to consider that model for CSM simply to give more variety to my gameplay. Taking something with a decent armor value and good anti-tank in an Elite slot would just make the army much more interesting. I'm looking at you, Obliterators.
So, here's Forge World's sneak peek of something they'll have at their stand for GDUK. They posted it in celebration of having 10k 'Likes' on Facebook.
So what do you guys think it is? To me, it looks like a piece of scenery. It appears that there's sandbags behind it.
Kanluwen wrote:So, here's Forge World's sneak peek of something they'll have at their stand for GDUK. They posted it in celebration of having 10k 'Likes' on Facebook.
So what do you guys think it is? To me, it looks like a piece of scenery. It appears that there's sandbags behind it.
I think it looks more like some bit of Tech stuck to a part of a giant maggot. So it could be some type of demon thing.
At the risk of being picky they posted it as part of their Games Day UK countdown thingy... nothing particularly special about the 10k likes has emerged yet.
Alright...sorry to all of you who love the contemptor soooooo much, but enough is enough. I am sick of seeing yet ANOTHER weapon pack release. I want to know where is my f**cking tantalus??? Give us something else besides more marines, FW.
Hey, I think they are both crappy, I Do like the boarding marines though
Automatically Appended Next Post: If you dont like the conversion beamer backpack why not get a vox caster backpack and use the contemptor conversion beamer in a position like the chapterhouse one?
problem solved.
Do send FW and GW an actual letter about it though, and remember to really show your appreciation using your wallet when they do produce something you've asked for.
Alpharius wrote:No need to rain on the Contemptor Parade!
Do send FW and GW an actual letter about it though, and remember to really show your appreciation using your wallet when they do produce something you've asked for.
LOL, what do you think that little $70 on my sig under FW is that broke my personal GW embargo? On a side note, FW has started using Scibor type large sprue on at least the contemptor. I don't know if that facilitates better quality control as I got minimal thin flash and no bubbles with my contemptor (whereas before EVERY forgeworld model I had gotten had multiple easily noticable problems). Prior models had small sprues of extra resin on the bottom with the FW stamp but the contemptor had every sprue connected to a large triangular beam of solid shiny resin. There was easily more than double the amount of resin by weight on the "sprue" than on the actual model. If they need to waste more resin to prevent problems like the one below (which happened to me on my GK icons early this year), I'm all for it.
DraconicGuardian wrote:Alright...sorry to all of you who love the contemptor soooooo much, but enough is enough. I am sick of seeing yet ANOTHER weapon pack release. I want to know where is my f**cking tantalus??? Give us something else besides more marines, FW.
The tantalus is for the next book and being one of the larger models it takes that much more time to finish. So until they get closer to that books release next year, you're likely not going to see anything, leaving us with two options.
A)Have FW sit around for 4 months releasing nothing.
B)Releasing models to accompany their current book.
Kanluwen wrote:So, here's Forge World's sneak peek of something they'll have at their stand for GDUK. They posted it in celebration of having 10k 'Likes' on Facebook.
So what do you guys think it is? To me, it looks like a piece of scenery. It appears that there's sandbags behind it.
I'm betting either a terrain piece or the first re-envision Legio Cybernetica Robot!
When I look at that Tantalas, I just can't help but feel the sail is going to have soooo many casting issues. Yes FW has done wings as large as that, but things as flat as that sail is going to show off and accentuate miscasts and warping. Lets cross our fingers.
FW facebook wrote:Games Day UK T-Minus 19 Days:
We've got another intriguing preview image for you today, which you'll be able to see in all its glory alongside designer Daren Parrwoood... any guesses?
Fantastic, I should be able to reserve the Master of the Forge for Aussie Gamesday and have it in hand faster than shipping. Personally I like the model, it may be static but it's a beautiful concept and will go perfectly with my pre-heresy iron warriors soon as I find out whether those shoulderpads are removable or not.
I see a lot of issues with trying to add boarding shields to anything other than Heresy armour or later (as the forgeworld sculpts have them holding their arms far too close to their body to work for this). I'd like to see how well bolters/flamers/meltas/pistols fit in with this kit rather than just showing the kit-specific weaponry (which only arms 4 of the 5 marines)
Not really a fan of the conversion beamer. THe boarding party stuff looks great though. I think some of FW new releases have been unappealing to me because they have been trying to move their product line back to match with the old, stiff rouge trader marines. The HW packs they release were really distastfull in my eyes, and the new dread is not to my fancy either.
That is an outstanding vehicle. For as big as it is I don't see a whole lot of room for riders. Those FW guys can sure make great things when they want to.
Does anyone know if the newest eldar stuff is going to be in IA12? I'm talking about the Lynxes, Hornets, Wasps, Corsairs, Phantoms, Spiritseer Wraithlord. Or have printed rules/fluff for this stuff already been released in a differ IA book?
Tantalus is more a weapon platform than a transporter. As you can see, both bodies field one weapon. On the other side, DE warriors just need a chain to hang on Or the front arc is a warp portal (remember the old Epic Eldar superheavy transporter with a warp portal!)
And the Eldar rules should be in IA 11, not IA12.
Some speculation from Warseer:
eldargal wrote:Now I'm just horrendously excited, damn you FW! Question remains, will this be the Tantalus, or the rumoured much larger DE superheavy. Or something else entirely.
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Not sure, no, but I've heard from two people that FW were working on another DE superheavy in addition to the Tantalus. One source on the Dark City forum said he heard it from someone at FW, and I heard it from another source as well. So it is possible it is a different model to the Tantalus but obviously we won't know until Games Day. I still think it would be a bit mean if the sneak peek is of something we already know about (Tantalus) but I'll just be glad when they put it up for sale.
That makes 
(remember the old Epic Eldar superheavy transporter with a warp portal!)