If you got to be a space marine, which chapter ( pre or post heresy) would you want to be a part of?

I myself would love to be part of the Space wolves or Ultra marines.

Blood Ravens, Ultramarines, Black Tempalrs or Grey Knights ( not the new ones ).

My personal wish - Angry Marines

Raptors or Invaders.
Psot-Heresy: Gotta be Night Lords...

Alpha Legion shortly before the heresy.

I like my bits and pieces working, thank you very much. I would only want to be a Space Marine if I could not be a Space Marine eventually. I mean but if you were stuck in 40k there are worse fates I guess.

Ultramarines.

Coolyo294 wrote:Ultramarines.

Executioners

Salamanders.

Salamanders or Space Wolves. The first ones are the very best thing ever and the later have the most fun!

Pre heresy... Same choices!

That picture is brilliant:L
As for which chapter either grey knights or black templars.Either purge the daemon or purge the heretic it dosn't really matter,it's the purging that counts.

Hmm... logically, Ultramarines, because they get all the good press.

Black Templars.

I'm a crazy melon-fether with a sword and Emperor strike me down if I'm not gonna hit some heretics over the head with it.

Ultramarine here.

I like to take my dogmatic restrictions tinged with hypocrisy straight, without the base elements of angst or uberness...

Blood Angels, tough and tragic.

Space wolves, grey knights, black templars, in that order from first choice to last.

Salamanders, hands down, I'd still get to hang with ma peeps.

And I'm a latent pyromaniac...

Thousand Sons Sorcerer (Pre-Heresy) Look at the library filled with so many damn books i could spend all day reading them then FIRE FRIGGING DOOMBOLTS OUT OF MAH HAND.

Dark angels, if not them then space wolves.

Raven Guard or Iron Hands

Dark Angels, Deathwing

Is there a "French" type chapter? (Hey it's a joke and a serious question all at the same time..)

Probably if I had to choose I'd go with Iron Warriors.

Salamanders.
Vulkan He'stan in particular.

Pre-H: Alpha Legion or Thousand Sons
Post-H: Blood Ravens

Lamenters because I hate myself.

(Seriously) Any chapter with a strong connection to the Ad Mech but not the Iron Hands because I like my flesh, especially if my flesh was exponentially enhanced..

===OR===

Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

Probably a Grey Knight Terminator. Being able to make people explode with your mind and sword is just awesome, also besides the fact that Terminator armor would probably let you brush off an M1A1 Abrams Cannon hitting you directly in the face.

Pre-Heresy Thousand Son. ¬_¬ In Terminator armour. I will kill you all with the power of my MIND.

And have access to lots of books to read in my downtime.

My own chapter, the Grey Templars. I would be a Terminator.

Raven Guard. I'd miss being able to use my brain if I went with any other chapter.

Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

Those tales are of their pre-Marine, uh, prowess...

Me? Hmm... either Ultras or any Chapter seconded to the Inquisition.

Psienesis wrote:

Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

Those tales are of their pre-Marine, uh, prowess...

kinda, they were initiates at the point of that happening so it implies they are still functional.

Initiates.

Pre-Scout.

Pre-Implants.

Not functional as Space Wolves, though.

Imperial Fists.

Or Soul Drinkers.

Or CF.

Really any IF successor other than Templars.

Black Templars, obviously, so I could purge and act like a raging madman whenever I was deployed.

No pity, No Remorse, No Fear, etc.

BrainDeleted wrote:Lamenters because I hate myself.

(Seriously) Any chapter with a strong connection to the Ad Mech but not the Iron Hands because I like my flesh, especially if my flesh was exponentially enhanced..

===OR===

Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

Wait, what? I kind of got that feeling from the second Ragnar book, but I figured... where'd you hear that? And what crazy woman would do it with a marine anyway?

IF are awesome due to:

Duelling,
Siege Craft,
Bountiful heavy weapons.

Pre/post Heresy Space Wolves all the way.

Actually, I'd be a custodian.

Custodes aren't Space Marines.

Salamanders... then I could make jokes like this

Actually, I'd be a custodian.

A space Janitor? lol wut? Yes I know what it really is and it's and interesting idea but the joke had to be told....

For me Probably the Raptors, but Son's of Medusa or even Son's of Orar would be good too.

Ultramarines any day of the week.

Pre heresy: Alpha Legion since they seem to be more practical in their warfare and use espionage and such to gather information and then strike with overwhelming firepower.

Post heresy: I would go salamanders cause torching stuff never gets old, or black templars cause of the whole knight crusade thing looks badass.

emperors children post heresy all the way ^^

Coolyo294 wrote:Custodes aren't Space Marines.

I know. I was saying I'd rather be a custode than a Space Marine of any flavour.

Lots of Ultramarines...

They are, undoubtedly, one of the greatest Chapters of Space Marines in the Imperium.

Coolyo294 wrote:They are, undoubtedly, one of the greatest Chapters of Space Marines in the Imperium.

IF>UM

AC>IF

im2randomghgh wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:They are, undoubtedly, one of the greatest Chapters of Space Marines in the Imperium.

IF>UM

AC>IF

He said one of, one of the greatest Chapters. Again, Custodes aren't Space Marines, but for the sake of it GK > AC.

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:They are, undoubtedly, one of the greatest Chapters of Space Marines in the Imperium.

IF>UM

AC>IF

He said one of, one of the greatest Chapters. Again, Custodes aren't Space Marines, but for the sake of it GK > AC.

Let's not get into this again.

AC>GK.

No more.

This way we save hours of nerdrage and dozens of pages.


Either way, IF own.

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:They are, undoubtedly, one of the greatest Chapters of Space Marines in the Imperium.

IF>UM

AC>IF

He said one of, one of the greatest Chapters. Again, Custodes aren't Space Marines, but for the sake of it GK > AC.

Let's not get into this again.

AC>GK.

No more.

This way we save hours of nerdrage and dozens of pages.


Either way, IF own.

That's true, there's no need for you to post three pages of stuff like "Custodes are better than Primarchs" and the other sorry excuses of evidence that you seem to believe still hold some sort of meaning. I think the only thing left to say is this -
"Only a fool would place a bet on the outcome of such a battle". And that's just regular Marines.

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:They are, undoubtedly, one of the greatest Chapters of Space Marines in the Imperium.

IF>UM

AC>IF

He said one of, one of the greatest Chapters. Again, Custodes aren't Space Marines, but for the sake of it GK > AC.

Let's not get into this again.

AC>GK.

No more.

This way we save hours of nerdrage and dozens of pages.


Either way, IF own.

That's true, there's no need for you to post three pages of stuff like "Custodes are better than Primarchs" and the other sorry excuses of evidence that you seem to believe still hold some sort of meaning. I think the only thing left to say is this -
"Only a fool would place a bet on the outcome of such a battle". And that's just regular Marines.

-_- did you forget the part where 1000 custodes killed hundreds of thousands of the Warlord Blackfang's elite bodyguards in minutes with three casualties?

No, I'm done. I am not returning to this page.

My own chapter the Wanderers. Being given advanced equipment and being sent to guard a Star Fortress doesn't sound too hard.

Space Wolves, I'm all for being a space viking, esp if I can still drink booze while doing it.

In minutes? Good one. Did you miss the part where Grey Knights do things 100 times more difficult? I thought so.
Point still stands, a Custode is on par with an Astartes, and Grey Knights are far superior to a regular Astartes.

Psienesis wrote:
Those tales are of their pre-Marine, uh, prowess...

Me? Hmm... either Ultras or any Chapter seconded to the Inquisition.

One of their Wolf Lords 'made a pass' at some woman on a mysterious world on the galactic edge before they all got slaughtered! It's in their codex under the little time line of events thing

Oh and the custode argument is pretty dumb. They don't have codex to exalt (exhaust) their deeds and they also haven't been doing much fighting since the Heresy. But they're supposed to be better.

Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

Ravenguard. The commandos of the imperium.

iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

There are quotes that say they're better than Space Marines as well. Aren't they just space marines based of the big E's gene seed? Debatable if the Knights are too though...(Goes to finding quotes)


Still, if they're equal to Space Marines than which Primarch contributed their genes? Why did the Emp go to the trouble of creating something special for his own guard? Why wouldn't he just have a select Space Marine body guard or Grey Knight body guard for that matter?

BrainDeleted wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

There are quotes that say they're better than Space Marines as well. Aren't they just space marines based of the big E's gene seed? Debatable if the Knights are too though...(Goes to finding quotes)

If our local Custode fanatic hasn't found any then you have your work cut out. Custodes aren't Space Marines. They don't use geneseed, they're basically grown individually in test-tubes. It means they have greater individuality, but lack the brotherhood and battlefield coordination of the Astartes.

Still, if they're equal to Space Marines than which Primarch contributed they're genes? Why did the Emp create something special for his own guard? Why wouldn't he just have a Space Marine body guard?

They have no Primarch, which means loyalty only to the Emperor, and he can control their numbers.
Honestly, I'd agree that on an individual basis a Custode is better than an Astartes. But not a Grey Knight, they're better than regular Astartes in literally every way.

Ultramarines 8th company, my personal heraldry displayed instead of the Ultras symbol and as a green hydra.

Isn't that TDA pic on the previous page of a Luna Wolf not a Space Wolf by the way?

It is only when Svengar makes a casual pass at one of their women that the Space Wolves realize their hosts are not people at all

-Page 20 of Codex: Spaces Wolves under 'The Lost Company of Svengar the Red'

That's what gave me the impression. Unless his casual pass was aimed at achieving groping and other non-sexual middle school play, maybe receiving some heavy petting or even getting to make out with her. Entirely possible as well knowing those darned Wolves.

Ultramarines 2nd company. The galaxys most cheesiest fighting company ever.

On the other hand, beign a Crimson Fist would be pretty cool too.

Probably storm wardens for me.. I have a habit of being a bit off my rocker most of the time. Plus the idea of surfing a rhino into battle getting prepared to activate my jump-pack so I can engage the 15 foot tall xeno beast in single combat.....with a claymore so large it's unwieldy for any space marine to attempt to use it one handed.... yeah... for the emperor

Angels Eternus, my own BA Successor. As a Honor Guard.

iproxtaco wrote:But not a Grey Knight, they're better than regular Astartes in literally every way.

They're the Mary Sues of the Mary Sues, yes.

Seaward wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:But not a Grey Knight, they're better than regular Astartes in literally every way.

They're the Mary Sues of the Mary Sues, yes.

Exactly.

It doesn't matter which chapter I was part of, because secretly in my heart I would want to be an Ultramarine. It says so in the codex.

iproxtaco wrote:In minutes? Good one. Did you miss the part where Grey Knights do things 100 times more difficult? I thought so.
Point still stands, a Custode is on par with an Astartes, and Grey Knights are far superior to a regular Astartes.

Yes, in minutes. Grey Knights would have exactly 0% chance of surviving that at ALL against that many Nobz.

100,000 nobz dead to three custodes dead. Think about that.


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iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

Written by Dan Abnett. As talented a writer as he is, he has enormous canon issues. Whatever he writes always exaggerates one faction greatly, with custodes being the victims and SM being on the pedestal.

Remember how he had a guard squad kill 5 space marines with ZERO casualties?

And anyways, I feel I need to remind you that GW's specific objective is to have just about everything they've ever written open to speculation/opinion.

So much for not returning. It's a massive thread-hijack but hey, I'm game, considering you've abandoned three threads on the same topic because you were proved unanimously wrong in each one.

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:In minutes? Good one. Did you miss the part where Grey Knights do things 100 times more difficult? I thought so.
Point still stands, a Custode is on par with an Astartes, and Grey Knights are far superior to a regular Astartes.

Yes, in minutes. Grey Knights would have exactly 0% chance of surviving that at ALL against that many Nobz.

100,000 nobz dead to three custodes dead. Think about that.

Hmm, yeah, no, I think they'd have a good chance against those odds. To be fair, I think this is absolute cattle excrement, so go on, just this once, quote the source you're using, it'll be a first.

iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

Written by Dan Abnett. As talented a writer as he is, he has enormous canon issues. Whatever he writes always exaggerates one faction greatly, with custodes being the victims and SM being on the pedestal.

Remember how he had a guard squad kill 5 space marines with ZERO casualties?

And anyways, I feel I need to remind you that GW's specific objective is to have just about everything they've ever written open to speculation/opinion.

That was a story about the Custodes, argument undermined. I somehow could have foretold this happening, the source disagrees so it's dismissed, despite the context, despite the author. Are you going to do the same thing to The First Heretic?

Everything is open to opinion regardless, certainly doesn't mean you can speculate on something that's stated outright. That's like speculating on whether the colour of an Orkz skin is green on not.

iproxtaco wrote:So much for not returning. It's a massive thread-hijack but hey, I'm game, considering you've abandoned three threads on the same topic because you were proved unanimously wrong in each one.

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:In minutes? Good one. Did you miss the part where Grey Knights do things 100 times more difficult? I thought so.
Point still stands, a Custode is on par with an Astartes, and Grey Knights are far superior to a regular Astartes.

Yes, in minutes. Grey Knights would have exactly 0% chance of surviving that at ALL against that many Nobz.

100,000 nobz dead to three custodes dead. Think about that.

Hmm, yeah, no, I think they'd have a good chance against those odds. To be fair, I think this is absolute cattle excrement, so go on, just this once, quote the source you're using, it'll be a first.

iproxtaco wrote:Well, you know, they aren't better. Just go and read Blood Games for that quote, it outright states they're equal to a Space Marine.

Written by Dan Abnett. As talented a writer as he is, he has enormous canon issues. Whatever he writes always exaggerates one faction greatly, with custodes being the victims and SM being on the pedestal.

Remember how he had a guard squad kill 5 space marines with ZERO casualties?

And anyways, I feel I need to remind you that GW's specific objective is to have just about everything they've ever written open to speculation/opinion.

That was a story about the Custodes, argument undermined. I somehow could have foretold this happening, the source disagrees so it's dismissed, despite the context, despite the author. Are you going to do the same thing to The First Heretic?

Everything is open to opinion regardless, certainly doesn't mean you can speculate on something that's stated outright. That's like speculating on whether the colour of an Orkz skin is green on not.

1. Game.

Lexicanum wrote:Gharkul Blackfang was a powerful Ork Warlord during the time of the Great Crusade.1 Gharkul was a massive black-skinned Ork possessed of a great cunning.1 His stronghold was the planet of Gyros-Thravian; which would become the site of one of the Imperium's greatest victories of the Great Crusade.1

The Legions of Horus, Rogal Dorn and Mortarion participated in the Battle of Gyros-Thravian. During the battle the vast horde of Gharkul came close to defeating all three of these legions, and they would have succeeded were it not for the intervention of the Emperor himself. From his golden battle barge, the Bucephelus, the Emperor led one thousand Custodians directly into the heart of the Ork horde.1

At the height of the moment these Custodians would pass into legend. It is said over a hundred thousand of Gharkul's best warriors were slain in moments, and Gharkul himself was decapitated by the Emperor atop a ruined Gargant, ending the battle. Only three Custodians fell during the battle, and their names were later engraved onto the Emperor's armour.1

Yeah. Oops, it's canon!


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And the speculation is based on conflicting sources.

1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best thing is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend, the entry in the actual book says so.

Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.




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Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though. Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force, whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though

Conjecture. They fought the same Ork horde.

Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force,

It does not say teleported.

whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Close by at least.

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

Yes they are, but a warlords prime warriors aren't always Nobz.


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im2randomghgh wrote:

CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

It says neither of those things.

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.




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Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though. Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force, whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

I'm not saying you aren't right, as I have no idea on this particular debate; however, presenting evidence that could be construed as disproving your point, and "cutting" quotes to fit what you need is tantamount to simple lying. I'm simply suggesting you use the entire peice of evidence, and explain why the elements that oppose your opinion of the matter dont actually oppose them.

Uhlan wrote:Ultramarine here.

I like to take my dogmatic restrictions tinged with hypocrisy straight, without the base elements of angst or uberness...

What he said.

BrainDeleted wrote:Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

No, they don't.

im2randomghgh wrote:1. Game.

Lexicanum wrote:Gharkul Blackfang was a powerful Ork Warlord during the time of the Great Crusade.1 Gharkul was a massive black-skinned Ork possessed of a great cunning.1 His stronghold was the planet of Gyros-Thravian; which would become the site of one of the Imperium's greatest victories of the Great Crusade.1

The Legions of Horus, Rogal Dorn and Mortarion participated in the Battle of Gyros-Thravian. During the battle the vast horde of Gharkul came close to defeating all three of these legions, and they would have succeeded were it not for the intervention of the Emperor himself. From his golden battle barge, the Bucephelus, the Emperor led one thousand Custodians directly into the heart of the Ork horde.1

At the height of the moment these Custodians would pass into legend. It is said over a hundred thousand of Gharkul's best warriors were slain in moments, and Gharkul himself was decapitated by the Emperor atop a ruined Gargant, ending the battle. Only three Custodians fell during the battle, and their names were later engraved onto the Emperor's armour.1

Yeah. Oops, it's canon!

That reference is from Horus Heresy: Collected Visions, which is no longer a reliable source as it is often contradicted by the Horus Heresy novels (apparently the one place where GW is trying to maintain some semblance of continuity). Also, even accepting the source, it reads "It is said", so even within the confines of the source it is hearsay and legend, rather than an omniscient third party giving us facts. It's a weak source, regardless of how you put it. Also, they kind of had the friggin' Emperor leading them.

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though

Conjecture. They fought the same Ork horde.

Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force,

It does not say teleported.

whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Close by at least.

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

Yes they are, but a warlords prime warriors aren't always Nobz.


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im2randomghgh wrote:

CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

It says neither of those things.

1. Actually, saying they linked up is conjecture, seeing as it is not mentioned at all.

2. Semantics

3. SO? "close by" means that they are not there specifically, which means their kills would not be included in the tally, meaning custodes killed 100,000 of the strongest orks among an enormous waaagh! with three casualties.

4. His prime warriors aren't always Nobz means that he could potentially have been surround by 100,000 warbosses=you just hurt your argument.

5. It says he was standing atop a Gargant that was killed, and as far as I know Custodes don't tend to ride titans into battle, because if they did this argument would be even moot-er.

The gargant may or may not have been already destroyed, it doesn't specify how many of the warriors were killed by the Emperor's charge, the source is outdated/invalid even by GW standards, and even accepting the source's veracity the statistic on Ork numbers is couched in terms of hearsay and legend.

As usual, your "arguments" are very weak.

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Oops! The actual entry in Collected Visions is a bit different from what you made out. It's not a thousand Custodes versus over a hundred thousands Ork Nobs, it's a thousand Custodes, the fething Emperor himself, three Legions and their Primarchs, and the Emperor's Battle Barge, against the Warlords best warriors, it does not say Nobz. The best part is that the "only three Custodes died" part is a legend.
Canon does not exist with GW.

There's no conflicting sources, there's only sources that oppose your opinion, which aren't backed by any sources.

Actually, the three Astartes legions were not with them, they were fighting the same campaign though

Conjecture. They fought the same Ork horde.

Do you forget where the custodes and the emperor teleported into the heart of their force,

It does not say teleported.

whereas the three legions were most decidedly NOT in the middle of the ork force?

Close by at least.

Nobz are a warlords best warriors. You will not see one of (if not the) largest ork ever using pale green gretchins as guards.

Yes they are, but a warlords prime warriors aren't always Nobz.


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im2randomghgh wrote:

CpatTom wrote:1. Agreed, that certainly could be speculated on. (What is green, anyway?)

2. Not highlighting the fact that the Emperor was there undermines your credibility. You've ruined that point by purposefully biasing the information you presented.

Except he was locked in a duel with an opponent who was actually of similar power to him . The Empy was also busy killing a gargant.

It says neither of those things.

1. Actually, saying they linked up is conjecture, seeing as it is not mentioned at all.

Just as well I never said they linked up then.

2. Semantics

No, not semantics. It does not say they teleported. Period.

3. SO? "close by" means that they are not there specifically, which means their kills would not be included in the tally, meaning custodes killed 100,000 of the strongest orks among an enormous waaagh! with three casualties.

So, it wasn't just the Custodes, however you want to swing it. And the three casualties is a legend.

4. His prime warriors aren't always Nobz means that he could potentially have been surround by 100,000 warbosses=you just hurt your argument.

Could be, but half of them could have been regular Orkz, I didn't hurt my argument, because I'm at least trying to present what the books says without making stuff up or excluding some parts.

5. It says he was standing atop a Gargant that was killed, and as far as I know Custodes don't tend to ride titans into battle, because if they did this argument would be even moot-er.

It does not say the Gargant was destroyed.

It specifies it was a "ruined" Gargant. Whether it was ruined by the Emperor, or the Custodes, or the battle at large. It could have been a terrain piece, for all we know, or was just inserted by the author of the legend for a more cinematic effect.

Actually, the passage in the book says "towering", it doesn't mention the word ruined at all.

I would be a Blood Angel any day. And I'd like to be a vanguard veteran... or maybe a terminator. There's something very classic about a Blood Angels Terminator. I would probably have lightning claws.

Omegus wrote:

BrainDeleted wrote:Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

No, they don't.

BrainDeleted wrote:

It is only when Svengar makes a casual pass at one of their women that the Space Wolves realize their hosts are not people at all

-Page 20 of Codex: Spaces Wolves under 'The Lost Company of Svengar the Red'

That's what gave me the impression. Unless his casual pass was aimed at achieving groping and other non-sexual middle school play, maybe receiving some heavy petting or even getting to make out with her. Entirely possible as well knowing those darned Wolves.

Oh great and powerful fluff master please deign to explain yourself and maybe read my posts instead of just saying NO.

Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

Warpseer wrote:Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

And the some of the biggest Trolls in the 40k universe.

Svengar making a pass at a woman he couldn't have sex with seems strange. I mean, unless the Space Wolves objecify women, for the sole purpose of objectifying women. What a bunch of dicks.

Anyway...

Assuming I'd get to have a Dick Dastardly-esque mustache I could twirl, I'd be Marines Malevolent, muahahahahaha! *Kills civilians*

If not, pre-heresy Thousand Sons would be cool. Post less so, since unless I'm a powerful sorcerer, I'm a bucket of dust, and then there is the whole pawn of Tzeentch thing.

Wouldn't mind Black Templars either. Maybe Ultramarines as well.

Iron Warriors are indeed cool. Perturabo gives not a single feth.

Edit: Also holy gak, another 2random Custodes argument? Jesus.

Man you lot are nuts, think it through logically!

If your sitting their saying "Space Wolves" and "Salamanders" and all that other gak, you gotta be nuts.

Ultramarines live in a plentiful, temperate, utterly loyal and splendid sector, where the citizens are well fed and clothed, live in peace, and chant their protectors chapter name with reverence that is lacking in other sectors.

If you say anyone else, ESPECIALLY the fether that live on DEATHWORLDS (the clue is in the title!)

Your basically saying..

"feth the air conditioned condo in London with broadband internet, SKY + and the big fridge full of beer, I wanna go live in hole in the arctic tundra/inside a volcano/mud hut in Somalia"

You guys!

And the some of the biggest Trolls in the 40k universe.

Indeed. The Iron Cage= Three weeks of Imperial Fists dying for what was actually a planet of nothing.

Warpseer wrote:Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

"Yeah Marneus? Yeah.. its warpseer. Yeah..sorry, I changed my mind. I dont want to live in a palace made of marble on Ultramar... Im off to live inside an enormous warp spawned black hole with a guy that has two heads. Oh and all my so called comrades may well kill me at any moment.. KKTHX!"

"Yeah Marneus? Yeah.. its warpseer. Yeah..sorry, I changed my mind. I dont want to live in a palace made of marble on Ultramar... Im off to live inside an enormous warp spawned black hole with a guy that has two heads. Oh and all my so called comrades may well kill me at any moment.. KKTHX!"

Ok.....

Who cares. Its a what if thread.

BrainDeleted wrote:

Omegus wrote:

BrainDeleted wrote:Space Wolves because they apparently still get to have sex....

No, they don't.

BrainDeleted wrote:

It is only when Svengar makes a casual pass at one of their women that the Space Wolves realize their hosts are not people at all

-Page 20 of Codex: Spaces Wolves under 'The Lost Company of Svengar the Red'

That's what gave me the impression. Unless his casual pass was aimed at achieving groping and other non-sexual middle school play, maybe receiving some heavy petting or even getting to make out with her. Entirely possible as well knowing those darned Wolves.

Oh great and powerful fluff master please deign to explain yourself and maybe read my posts instead of just saying NO.

Well, you've jumped to conclusions there. A Space Wolf makes a casual pass, so they can sex.

What's the point of his casual pass? Hugs & Kisses? There are other examples anyway, like Leman stacking his court with the most beautiful maidens around...Though he was probably just being a jerk and hoarding that which he cannot use himself. He's Leman Frickin Russ, after all. But I'll see if I can dig out a few more...Shouldn't be too hard. Obviously, there's nothing explicitly going one way or the other since GW isn't in the business of Superhuman erotica. Maybe Slaanesh Marines are the only ones and only then with their icky tentacle Slaaneshy bits.

BrainDeleted wrote:What's the point of his casual pass? Hugs & Kisses? There are other examples anyway, like Leman stacking his court with the most beautiful maidens around...Though he was probably just being a jerk and hoarding that which he cannot use himself. He's Leman Frickin Russ, after all.

Fun? A joke? Yeah, you jumped to conclusions. Anyway, quote these other examples, because I can't see any.

Yeah, they're probably just all space eunuchs (Though there's no definite answer in the fluff as to whether they actually can sex or not and I for one am thankful for that) but the wolves still clearly have some sort of pseudo-sexual drive for whatever weird space viking reason. Anyway, it was a joke

But his casual pass led to the conclusion that the woman in question was not human so....

Raptors, Salamanders or Ravenguard.
They all kick ass!

Plus, Id love to be an angry marine!

mattyrm wrote: Man you lot are nuts, think it through logically!

If your sitting their saying "Space Wolves" and "Salamanders" and all that other gak, you gotta be nuts.

Ultramarines live in a plentiful, temperate, utterly loyal and splendid sector, where the citizens are well fed and clothed, live in peace, and chant their protectors chapter name with reverence that is lacking in other sectors.

If you say anyone else, ESPECIALLY the fether that live on DEATHWORLDS (the clue is in the title!)

Your basically saying..

"feth the air conditioned condo in London with broadband internet, SKY + and the big fridge full of beer, I wanna go live in hole in the arctic tundra/inside a volcano/mud hut in Somalia"

You guys!

If I were just a citizen, then I would want to live in Ultramar. However, this thread is about SM. All Space Marines live a life of space monks, with some deviances. A Ultramarines life is not any better then a Salamanders or Space Wolves (actually worse do to all the UM hate going around).
And the IoM gets some hard-assed fethers from Death Worlds. Look at Harker or Straken for example.

BrainDeleted wrote:Oh great and powerful fluff master please deign to explain yourself and maybe read my posts instead of just saying NO.

Out of all the fiction out there, that throw away line is the only "evidence", if a casual pass (which could have been something as benign as "well ain't ya a buxom wench" rather than "hey sweetcheeks, let's feth" like you're automatically assuming) could be considered evidence. Everywhere else, it is constantly reinforced that Astartes have no interest in that sort of thing, and in Prospero Burns the Space Wolves make it pretty clear that they consider mortals as barely above contempt.


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forruner_mercy wrote:If I were just a citizen, then I would want to live in Ultramar. However, this thread is about SM. All Space Marines live a life of space monks, with some deviances. A Ultramarines life is not any better then a Salamanders or Space Wolves (actually worse do to all the UM hate going around).
And the IoM gets some hard-assed fethers from Death Worlds. Look at Harker or Straken for example.

I disagree. While their quarters are spartan, Ultramarines still get to live on a beautiful world with expansive Hellenic architecture, lakes, etc. From Prospero Burns, we get that Space Wolves spend their spare time sitting in dingy dark rooms playing board games and sniffing each other's butts.

Either a Word Bearer or Night Lord... Maybe not Blood Angel because I would have the Black Rage to look forward to

Deathwing Terminator

Well, if we're picking Traitor legions now, I guess I'd want to be one of the surviving Sorcerers of the Thousand Sons. Then I could do my own thing in my own ship full of lethal automatons completely under my control and do the Ahriman thing of starting cults, gathering artifacts, and seeking knowledge to become a new Chaos god.

Warpseer wrote:Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

*Cough*ImperialFistsHeldThePalaceDuringTheSiegeOfTerra*cough*

For Dorn!

im2randomghgh wrote:

Warpseer wrote:Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

*Cough*ImperialFistsHeldThePalaceDuringTheSiegeOfTerra*cough*

For Dorn!

Cough *AndTheyTotallyGotTrolledByTheIronWarriorsWhenTheyAssaultedThatFortress*

For Perturbo!

Dark Angels or Iron Hands.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Warpseer wrote:Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

*Cough*ImperialFistsHeldThePalaceDuringTheSiegeOfTerra*cough*

For Dorn!

Cough *AndTheyTotallyGotTrolledByTheIronWarriorsWhenTheyAssaultedThatFortress*

For Perturbo!

Cough *AndTheIronWarriorsCouldn'tCrackOpenThePalaceEvenWithSuperiorForces*


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Boss Goretoof wrote:Dark Angels or Iron Hands.

You just happen to like the chapters I dislike the most.

awks

Either Ultramarines or Imperial fists here, leaning towards Ultras. They actually behave with some tactical sanity.

SOFDC wrote:Either Ultramarines or Imperial fists here, leaning towards Ultras. They actually behave with some tactical sanity.

Except IF have the added benefit of crunchy, siege-y goodness!

Ultramarines. That way I wouldn't have to secretly yearn that I wanted to be an Ultramarine.


SRSFAIC: Ultramarine. They are easily the safest Choice. A Small Empire in case the IoM goes Belly-up, no real Geneseed flaws.

Crimson Fists. Nothing like fighting alongside Pedro.

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Warpseer wrote:Pft, loyalists.

Iron Warriors. Methodical and strategic. Masters of Seige and Trench.

*Cough*ImperialFistsHeldThePalaceDuringTheSiegeOfTerra*cough*

For Dorn!

Cough *AndTheyTotallyGotTrolledByTheIronWarriorsWhenTheyAssaultedThatFortress*

For Perturbo!

Cough *AndTheIronWarriorsCouldn'tCrackOpenThePalaceEvenWithSuperiorForces*

Cough *AndTheyWouldHaveFailedWereItNotForTheIminentArrivalOfTheUltraMarines*

Cough, Cough *TheIronCageEnoughSaid*

Cough, Cough, Coughedhkdkfhkdfkddtoumsaoaoafdlfl *OhAndHyrdaCordatus*

Ultramarines, Crimson Fists, or Praetors of Orpheus.

Field_Mouse wrote:Crimson Fists. Nothing like fighting alongside Pedro.

There is only one place for a guy named Pedro.

Pre heresy death guard. Count the seven.

Crimson Fists Tactical marine or sternguard.

Ok guys, it's settled, I'm becoming a Dark Apostle

What do those lil people do for the DA?

Well, they are excellent Masseurs and they make killer Tacos.

Thousand Sons, Crimson Fists, Dark Angels

Black Templars or Plague Marine.

All smile for grandpa nurgle.

Definately Salamanders or Imperial fists I think. Really like those two. Then theres always the DA... So many to choose from! O.o

My good ofcourse it will be a chaos marine.

No praying and stuff like that. Probably more of a slaanesh guy.

Blood Angels or Black Templars. Easy!

EDIT: Or Raven Guard!

Except IF have the added benefit of crunchy, siege-y goodness!

Ultramarines can actually make friends and have a functional betcher`s gland however! ...And they look better!...

SOFDC wrote:

Except IF have the added benefit of crunchy, siege-y goodness!

Ultramarines can actually make friends and have a functional betcher`s gland however! ...And they look better!...

Nah, I like the IF look. It takes HUGE balls to go into battle wearing bright yellow, plus the pre-heresy colour scheme was ALMOST gold.

And the IF have mustaches and beards. The only other marines who can claim such mustachioed awesomness are the SW, but they have to live on a death world instead of Death Star 40k.

XBOX Live - I am a Space Marine every evening... kicking arse for the Emprah/Chaos

I'd be a Space wolf. One that was tearing apart thousand sons.

Emperor's Children. Long live rock & roll and porn!

Blood Angles, Salamanders or Ultramarines... and then be inducted into the Deathwatch!

That would be cool

I like the deathwatch idea.

IFwatch ftw!

I wouldn't be.

I like girls too much.

Campbell1004 wrote:I wouldn't be.

I like girls too much.

So be an Emperor's Child

Slannesh has some wonderful Aphrodesiacs.

SwiftLord14 wrote:I'd be a Space wolf. One that was tearing apart thousand sons.

Excellent troll, sir, I think I'll bite! If you read the account of the battle, the Space Wolves did precious little tearing apart of the Thousand Sons. Oh, they rampaged through the PDF, but when it came to organized resistance from the Sons themselves, puppies started dying by the droves, with most TS kills attributed to the Custodes/Sisters of Silence and the collateral damage from the Sons' own powers. The only real win they can legitimately claim is the Primarch battle, and even that is tainted since it was a lucky shot likely orchestrated by Tzeench.

Omegus wrote:Excellent troll, sir, I think I'll bite! If you read the account of the battle, the Space Wolves did precious little tearing apart of the Thousand Sons. Oh, they rampaged through the PDF, but when it came to organized resistance from the Sons themselves, puppies started dying by the droves, with most TS kills attributed to the Custodes/Sisters of Silence and the collateral damage from the Sons' own powers. The only real win they can legitimately claim is the Primarch battle, and even that is tainted since it was a lucky shot likely orchestrated by Tzeench.

Because apparently I bash SW in every thread, and I wouldn't want to make Just Dave wrong, I will elaborate on this.

The Space Wolves, despite catching the Thousand Sons off-guard due to Magnus blocking his Sons from knowing the Wolves were coming, as well as outnumbering them as a Legion and bringing Custodians and Sisters of Silence (Who counter the powers of the Thousand Sons), were actually not doing very well against the Sons for much of the battle. The Wolves died in droves against the Sons, no match for their psychic powers, and even Custodians were shown to be killed by some of the Thousand Sons without much effort, two captains casually killing multiple Custodians with single attacks and remarking that "They're not so tough." Even with the Sisters of Silence, the Wolves couldn't gain much ground, partly due to the efforts of Phosis T'kar, who after killing one of the Sisters in melee combat proceeded to traverse the battlefield, sniping multiple Sisters of Silence from afar.

The battle only truly started to turn around when Tzeentch decided the Thousand Son's psychic powers were much too stable for his tastes, and caused much of their powers to backfire, which resulted in such things as a psyker of the Thousand Sons exploding with the yield of an atom bomb, and a friggin' Warlord Titan exploding as well, taking out much of the Thousand Sons' own number. And of course the Flesh Change began affecting a great deal of the Thousand Sons, crushing the defense effort.

Even the fight between Leman Russ and Magnus wasn't really a fight between Leman Russ and Magnus. It was more a fight between Magnus and the entire Space Wolves Legion and their allies, with Magnus focusing his powers not merely on Russ, but on warding off the Space Wolves from interfering, and on killing Space Wolves who dared to attempt to attack his sons, notably turning a sea into corrosive acid with a gesture. He was also destroying the very surface of Prospero, while preparing a spell to transport the rest of his Legion and the mortals who survived to the Warp. And Magnus was dominating Russ, until Russ performed his patented and legendary "flailed blindly" maneuver and scored a lucky shot on Magnus' one eye.

Thus ends the story of the Burning of Prospero, which tells us that it is in fact better to be lucky than good.

Purple lightning split the sky and the heavens darkened with the sudden fall of night. A deluge of black rain fell, soaking everything in an instant and saturating the air with the bitter taste of sodden ashes. ...A flaming giant descend[ed] from the highest reaches of the Pyramid of Photep. The crux ansata rippled with pellucid green fire, and kaleidoscopic bolts of lightning slammed into the ground, immolating dozens of the cursed Wulfen with every blazing strike.

Cracks split the ground and the waters surrounding the pyramid seethed and boiled with anger. Black waves crashed upon the shores, and the glass shards falling from the pyramid were caught in asurging, sentient whirlwind that hurled them like spears to impale enemy warriors and skewer them to the ground.

Magnus the Red was a glorious sight, his golden armour and wild red hair ablaze with aetheric energy. His bladed staff threw off blinding arcs of lightning that destroyed armoured vehicles in thunderous explosions. Magnus swept his eye across the horrified Space Wolves, and all who met his gaze died in an instant as they were driven to madness by the stygian depths of infinite chaos they saw there.

Beat that entrance. I dare ya!

Fallen Dark Angel

Omegus wrote:

Purple lightning split the sky and the heavens darkened with the sudden fall of night. A deluge of black rain fell, soaking everything in an instant and saturating the air with the bitter taste of sodden ashes. ...A flaming giant descend[ed] from the highest reaches of the Pyramid of Photep. The crux ansata rippled with pellucid green fire, and kaleidoscopic bolts of lightning slammed into the ground, immolating dozens of the cursed Wulfen with every blazing strike.

Cracks split the ground and the waters surrounding the pyramid seethed and boiled with anger. Black waves crashed upon the shores, and the glass shards falling from the pyramid were caught in asurging, sentient whirlwind that hurled them like spears to impale enemy warriors and skewer them to the ground.

Magnus the Red was a glorious sight, his golden armour and wild red hair ablaze with aetheric energy. His bladed staff threw off blinding arcs of lightning that destroyed armoured vehicles in thunderous explosions. Magnus swept his eye across the horrified Space Wolves, and all who met his gaze died in an instant as they were driven to madness by the stygian depths of infinite chaos they saw there.

Beat that entrance. I dare ya!

I think this works surprisingly well if it is read as if Magnus is a Egyptian themed bachelorette party stripper.

Think about it.

Yeah. It drives the Space wolves mad its so crazy.

Edit: and its got blades! That shoot lightning!

NO PITY! NO REMORSE! NO FEAR! Black Templars all the way.

CpatTom wrote:
I think this works surprisingly well if it is read as if Magnus is a Egyptian themed bachelorette party stripper.

Think about it.

Yeah. It drives the Space wolves mad its so crazy.

Edit: and its got blades! That shoot lightning!

Pasties of Tzeench FTFW.

Retrosplicer wrote:Thousand Sons Sorcerer (Pre-Heresy) Look at the library filled with so many damn books i could spend all day reading them then FIRE FRIGGING DOOMBOLTS OUT OF MAH HAND.

This. Oh Magnus this.

Salamander's in general(pyromania ftw) or pre-heresy 1k sons, because I'd like that magic sheet but without all the gribblies y'know?

Pre-Heresy: Alpha Legion or Raven Guard

Post Heresy: Alpha Legion, Sons of Malice, Red Scorpions, or Raptors

Black Templar:

Fleet Based: See the universe!

Neophytes / Initiates: You have someone to show you the ropes and chains!

You could be a hero: One day you could "have the vision" and get to use the black sword, black armor and kick serious butt!

If you get shot at; you do not get scared, you get angry!

Fine retirement package garrisoning one of their multiple strongholds - you would be spoiled for choice!

A Spehhs Wulf. Cruising around on a mother fething TUNDA WULF. That would be my life sorted, i would cruise to Asda everyday and feel good doing it.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Omegus wrote:Excellent troll, sir, I think I'll bite! If you read the account of the battle, the Space Wolves did precious little tearing apart of the Thousand Sons. Oh, they rampaged through the PDF, but when it came to organized resistance from the Sons themselves, puppies started dying by the droves, with most TS kills attributed to the Custodes/Sisters of Silence and the collateral damage from the Sons' own powers. The only real win they can legitimately claim is the Primarch battle, and even that is tainted since it was a lucky shot likely orchestrated by Tzeench.

Because apparently I bash SW in every thread, and I wouldn't want to make Just Dave wrong, I will elaborate on this.

The Space Wolves, despite catching the Thousand Sons off-guard due to Magnus blocking his Sons from knowing the Wolves were coming, as well as outnumbering them as a Legion and bringing Custodians and Sisters of Silence (Who counter the powers of the Thousand Sons), were actually not doing very well against the Sons for much of the battle. The Wolves died in droves against the Sons, no match for their psychic powers, and even Custodians were shown to be killed by some of the Thousand Sons without much effort, two captains casually killing multiple Custodians with single attacks and remarking that "They're not so tough." Even with the Sisters of Silence, the Wolves couldn't gain much ground, partly due to the efforts of Phosis T'kar, who after killing one of the Sisters in melee combat proceeded to traverse the battlefield, sniping multiple Sisters of Silence from afar.

The battle only truly started to turn around when Tzeentch decided the Thousand Son's psychic powers were much too stable for his tastes, and caused much of their powers to backfire, which resulted in such things as a psyker of the Thousand Sons exploding with the yield of an atom bomb, and a friggin' Warlord Titan exploding as well, taking out much of the Thousand Sons' own number. And of course the Flesh Change began affecting a great deal of the Thousand Sons, crushing the defense effort.

Even the fight between Leman Russ and Magnus wasn't really a fight between Leman Russ and Magnus. It was more a fight between Magnus and the entire Space Wolves Legion and their allies, with Magnus focusing his powers not merely on Russ, but on warding off the Space Wolves from interfering, and on killing Space Wolves who dared to attempt to attack his sons, notably turning a sea into corrosive acid with a gesture. He was also destroying the very surface of Prospero, while preparing a spell to transport the rest of his Legion and the mortals who survived to the Warp. And Magnus was dominating Russ, until Russ performed his patented and legendary "flailed blindly" maneuver and scored a lucky shot on Magnus' one eye.

Thus ends the story of the Burning of Prospero, which tells us that it is in fact better to be lucky than good.

Well to be fair the only perspectives that battle was seen from in 1k sons was Ahriman and Phosis T'kar, who, being the strongest of the 1k sons by a fair margin, WOULD be killing in droves.

But I would like to point out that it wasn't ONLY the flashchange that decided the battle, since every front Leman Russ appeared on instantly collapsed due to his psychic yell disrupting the 1k sons, and, you know, primarchness. Without the fleshchange I am willing to bet that both legions would have been annihilated, and then it would have come down to the custodes and sisters vs. Magnus.

Otherwise, I feel you summed it up pretty decently


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Thatguy91 wrote:Definately Salamanders or Imperial fists I think. Really like those two. Then theres always the DA... So many to choose from! O.o

Another dakkite who loves both fists AND tau!

Cookies for you!

Pre-hersey gotta go Imperial fists

post-hersey crimson fists

I love Omegus. Post something to make him mad and leave the post for a few days and come back and see all his jibber jabber. Face it man the Wolves won. To bad but better luck the next time. O wait the 1k sons did try again. Three times. Four if you count Ragnar and Styrbjorn sending him packing on Fenris.

Dark Angels Pre-and/or Post-Hersey,

SwiftLord14 wrote:I love Omegus. Post something to make him mad and leave the post for a few days and come back and see all his jibber jabber. Face it man the Wolves won. To bad but better luck the next time. O wait the 1k sons did try again. Three times. Four if you count Ragnar and Styrbjorn sending him packing on Fenris.

The Wolves nor Leman Russ won that day.

Tzeentch, and Chaos as a whole, won.

I guess if being a moron and being partly responsible for a loyal Legion turning traitor counts as "winning" to you then... Well okay.

I get you like the Wolves, but they didn't win at Prospero by virtue of merely their own awesomeness, after reading both A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns, that's pretty obvious. Even the biased skjald traveling with them admitted that when the Sons employed their psychic powers, the Space Wolves started dying in droves.

Pre-Heresy Emperors Children.

Post Heresy Crimson Fists.

Void__Dragon wrote:

SwiftLord14 wrote:I love Omegus. Post something to make him mad and leave the post for a few days and come back and see all his jibber jabber. Face it man the Wolves won. To bad but better luck the next time. O wait the 1k sons did try again. Three times. Four if you count Ragnar and Styrbjorn sending him packing on Fenris.

The Wolves nor Leman Russ won that day.

Tzeentch, and Chaos as a whole, won.

I guess if being a moron and being partly responsible for a loyal Legion turning traitor counts as "winning" to you then... Well okay.

I get you like the Wolves, but they didn't win at Prospero by virtue of merely their own awesomeness, after reading both A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns, that's pretty obvious. Even the biased skjald traveling with them admitted that when the Sons employed their psychic powers, the Space Wolves started dying in droves.

To be fair if any legion was ordered by the warmaster to destroy their rival legion, they would have. But I think by
"winning" he meant the battle proper, rather than the campaign, which would, admittedly, be a bit of a loss for both sides.

Though if Battle of the Fang is anything to go by, SM Librarians are more powerful than Standard 1K sons sorcerers.

Either way, it's just ink on paper