A school administrator in Florida called the sheriff after a pair of consenting 12-year-olds shared a kiss on the playground.
Lee County Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Orange River Elementary School after two female students were debating over who liked a 12-year-old boy more. At that point, one of the girls walked over and kissed the boy – leading an assistant principal to call authorities.
The administrator initially contacted the Florida Department of Children and Families. However, DCF told the school that they needed to call local law enforcement.
"They called us and said they caught two children kissing on the playground," Sgt. Stephanie Eller told Fox News & Commentary. "The reality is it was probably something innocent between two kids on the playground."
Eller said the deputies took a report and documented the incident, but determined no crime had been committed.
"If it had been a crime at all it would have been a simple battery,” Eller said. “The battery consists of the unwanted touching of one person to another."
A school administrator in Florida called the sheriff after a pair of consenting 12-year-olds shared a kiss on the playground.
Lee County Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Orange River Elementary School after two female students were debating over who liked a 12-year-old boy more. At that point, one of the girls walked over and kissed the boy – leading an assistant principal to call authorities.
The administrator initially contacted the Florida Department of Children and Families. However, DCF told the school that they needed to call local law enforcement.
"They called us and said they caught two children kissing on the playground," Sgt. Stephanie Eller told Fox News & Commentary. "The reality is it was probably something innocent between two kids on the playground."
Eller said the deputies took a report and documented the incident, but determined no crime had been committed.
"If it had been a crime at all it would have been a simple battery,” Eller said. “The battery consists of the unwanted touching of one person to another."
She said no one was arrested.
Seriously?....School officials are now calling in law enforcement when two kids kiss...?....Seriously?
...This is absolutely ridiculous.
CptJake wrote:I can tell horror stories about Zero Tolerance school rules and the challenges they present to parents...
Yeah, I've dealt with a few with my kids...but holy hell how much further down the " nanny state" road are we going to go?
It's really easy to see this and view it as some kind of big pattern or whatever, but I view it more optimistically. The way everyone involved BESIDES the administrator seems to get it is a good thing.
CptJake wrote:I can tell horror stories about Zero Tolerance school rules and the challenges they present to parents...
Yeah, I've dealt with a few with my kids...but holy hell how much further down the " nanny state" road are we going to go?
It's really easy to see this and view it as some kind of big pattern or whatever, but I view it more optimistically. The way everyone involved BESIDES the administrator seems to get it is a good thing.
We're on our way BACK from that road.
I certainly hope so man, seems things got blown way out of proportain by the administrators.
...I often wonder just how in the hell did things get so ridiculous...when I was in school the worst thing that happened to me from kissing a girl was getting punched in the eye, no one felt the need to call in the S.W.A.T teams.
CptJake wrote:I can tell horror stories about Zero Tolerance school rules and the challenges they present to parents...
Yeah, I've dealt with a few with my kids...but holy hell how much further down the " nanny state" road are we going to go?
It's really easy to see this and view it as some kind of big pattern or whatever, but I view it more optimistically. The way everyone involved BESIDES the administrator seems to get it is a good thing.
We're on our way BACK from that road.
I certainly hope so man, seems things got blown way out of proportain by the administrators.
...I often wonder just how in the hell did things get so ridiculous...when I was in school the worst thing that happened to me from kissing a girl was getting punched in the eye, no one felt the need to call in the S.W.A.T teams.
Well if you start worrying about it, just picture the dispatcher at the PD answering that call and just pausing for a second, like "seriously?"
....Was the girl supremely ugly or something? I remember at that age some of my female classmates -I- would've wanted to call the sheriff on if they had lip-locked me, but in general...What?!
CptJake wrote:I can tell horror stories about Zero Tolerance school rules and the challenges they present to parents...
Yeah, I've dealt with a few with my kids...but holy hell how much further down the " nanny state" road are we going to go?
It's really easy to see this and view it as some kind of big pattern or whatever, but I view it more optimistically. The way everyone involved BESIDES the administrator seems to get it is a good thing.
We're on our way BACK from that road.
I certainly hope so man, seems things got blown way out of proportain by the administrators.
...I often wonder just how in the hell did things get so ridiculous...when I was in school the worst thing that happened to me from kissing a girl was getting punched in the eye, no one felt the need to call in the S.W.A.T teams.
Well if you start worrying about it, just picture the dispatcher at the PD answering that call and just pausing for a second, like "seriously?"
Yeah, I'd imagine the dispatcher got a good chuckle out of the call..
" Car 54, please be advised we have reports of two juveniles kissing "
" Say again dispatch...did you say Killing?"
" Negative 54..Kissing...smooching...playing tonsil hockey"
" Roger that dispatch, will investigate dangerous lip to lip contact."
Lee county eh? Never been there myself but as a citizen of Florida I can say that this is just one of those things where the cops get called for the stupidest things...
I mean, this in the face of my high school experience where you can't go between classes and not see a couple swapping saliva like it was the last kiss in a Disney movie...
This goes in the books with those people who call 911 when McDonalds runs out of chicken nuggets...
CptJake wrote:I can tell horror stories about Zero Tolerance school rules and the challenges they present to parents...
Yeah, I've dealt with a few with my kids...but holy hell how much further down the " nanny state" road are we going to go?
In Canada, Ontairo, the schools there have banned all balls except the squish nerf ones because some 6 year old little girl kicked a soccor ball and it went stray and hit a volenteering parent in the head and when she hit the ground she got a concussion. Sooo one little six year old girl ruined it for generations of kids. In the same provence in some school distrects the kid's are not allowed to run, yell, play tag, congrigate in groups of 4 or more on some school yards.
Are they training the kids for a prision school yard or something? Hell even when I was in prison we where allowed to play handball, football, basketball...so the kids have it harder then prisoners. =o]
That comic for example is based off of a real story.
Summary for those who tldr it: A kid is caught taking their (prescribed) medication for diabetes, and the school authorities (Except for the nurse) were in an uproar over it.
Frazzled wrote:The administrator initially contacted the Florida Department of Children and Families. However, DCF told the school that they needed to call local law enforcement.
On a tangentially related note (barely), I live in a semi-rural area. There have been a few occasions where it's required for me to call the police for some reason or another, all non-emergencies (I had a smoker stolen off my porch, I once had a credit card stolen and needed to file a police report for the bank, etc). Since I have no local PD, I always call the county cops directly, and they tell me I need to call 911. Since I lived in NYC for the majority of my life I always found this to be disquieting and have been hesitant to so (strictly for life and limb emergencies back home). But indeed, that's how they do it around here.
This seriously makes me want to consider home schooling when the time comes. Stuff like this keeps happening and it's getting worse. These whistle blowing school faculty can go get fekked.
What really ticks me off is it's like they're getting punished for showing affection.
Wow. When I went to school, you hardly even got in trouble for fighting unless you damaged school property, assaulted a teacher or one of the participants was seriously injured. They're making each generation weaker and more worthless the the previous.
Necroshea wrote:This seriously makes me want to consider home schooling when the time comes. Stuff like this keeps happening and it's getting worse. These whistle blowing school faculty can go get fekked.
What really ticks me off is it's like they're getting punished for showing affection.
Stuff like this "keeps happening" because faculty and school systems are facing the same issue as law enforcement at this point: society is too triggerhappy when it comes to litigation. By calling in the sheriff, the school avoids being responsible for punishment of the children and avoids any potential responsibility against them by the parents.
A school administrator in Florida called the sheriff after a pair of consenting 12-year-olds shared a kiss on the playground.
Lee County Sheriff’s deputies were dispatched to Orange River Elementary School after two female students were debating over who liked a 12-year-old boy more. At that point, one of the girls walked over and kissed the boy – leading an assistant principal to call authorities.
The administrator initially contacted the Florida Department of Children and Families. However, DCF told the school that they needed to call local law enforcement.
"They called us and said they caught two children kissing on the playground," Sgt. Stephanie Eller told Fox News & Commentary. "The reality is it was probably something innocent between two kids on the playground."
Eller said the deputies took a report and documented the incident, but determined no crime had been committed.
"If it had been a crime at all it would have been a simple battery,” Eller said. “The battery consists of the unwanted touching of one person to another."
She said no one was arrested.
God damn it, Obama. You'll pay for this, you swarthy communist.
Necroshea wrote:This seriously makes me want to consider home schooling when the time comes. Stuff like this keeps happening and it's getting worse. These whistle blowing school faculty can go get fekked.
What really ticks me off is it's like they're getting punished for showing affection.
Stuff like this "keeps happening" because faculty and school systems are facing the same issue as law enforcement at this point: society is too triggerhappy when it comes to litigation. By calling in the sheriff, the school avoids being responsible for punishment of the children and avoids any potential responsibility against them by the parents.
I've seen cases where being safe is paramount to controlling the situation, but with something like this? Come on.
Events like this just make me believe more and more that people are stupid. Not a person, a person has the capacity to be stupid or intelligent, but people, like the ones who decided on the school policy that led to this event, they are stupid.
Necroshea wrote:This seriously makes me want to consider home schooling when the time comes. Stuff like this keeps happening and it's getting worse. These whistle blowing school faculty can go get fekked.
What really ticks me off is it's like they're getting punished for showing affection.
Stuff like this "keeps happening" because faculty and school systems are facing the same issue as law enforcement at this point: society is too triggerhappy when it comes to litigation. By calling in the sheriff, the school avoids being responsible for punishment of the children and avoids any potential responsibility against them by the parents.
I've seen cases where being safe is paramount to controlling the situation, but with something like this? Come on.
MrDwhitey wrote:What happens if they kiss again? Tasers?
They nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
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I spend some time at my local school as a volunteer. It is always striking to me how "industrialized" the learning process is.
It feels more like a labor camp to me than a place of learning, like policies are in place simply to groom kids to be obedient wage slaves in the future. It is really creepy.
WARORK93 wrote:Lee county eh? Never been there myself but as a citizen of Florida I can say that this is just one of those things where the cops get called for the stupidest things...
I mean, this in the face of my high school experience where you can't go between classes and not see a couple swapping saliva like it was the last kiss in a Disney movie...
This goes in the books with those people who call 911 when McDonalds runs out of chicken nuggets...
I've seen cases where being safe is paramount to controlling the situation, but with something like this? Come on.
You can say that, but you're not the guy who would have his boss and everyone up his chain of command ripping his ass apart because some soccer mom lost her gak because some little hussy kissed her poor innocent son and the local ambulance chaser is filing a lawsuit.
Surprised they weren't tasered. Officers love to use those little torture devices on anything they can get away with.
Yeah, nightstick to the back of the head is much safer for everyone involved.
Easy E wrote:I spend some time at my local school as a volunteer. It is always striking to me how "industrialized" the learning process is.
It feels more like a labor camp to me than a place of learning, like policies are in place simply to groom kids to be obedient wage slaves in the future. It is really creepy.
I get the same sort of vibe every time I'm at my kids schools...I feel as though I've stepped into some sort of hybrid Orwellian/Barney indoctrination center, where the primary "lesson" being taught is " how to be another faceless,unquestioning, boring cog in the wheel 101".
Now, believe me...I get that being an educator/teacher can be a very thankless job and that we now live in a " What do you mean my kid did something wrong/was a victim/heard or saw somethingI find offensive!!...I'm suing everyone!!" sort of world, thus resulting in many of these CYA policies ...and despite that, I've met a few teachers who are amazingly dedicated people who genuinely seem to care about the actual learning process.
...But, at the same time, I've sat across tables with"Stepford" administration/ teachers who regurgitate "doublespeak" as though they were tape recorders who's " educational mission" was/is to see that my kids become little tape recorders as well.
Jihadin wrote:Times are changing. Remember back in high school when there was an actual "Social Study" class.
... Yeah, I remember back in high school when there were fights between students , staff broke it up, detentions/suspensions were given out...and everyone got on with life.
Now...if two kids scrap ...the police have to be involved.
Easy E wrote:I spend some time at my local school as a volunteer. It is always striking to me how "industrialized" the learning process is.
It feels more like a labor camp to me than a place of learning, like policies are in place simply to groom kids to be obedient wage slaves in the future. It is really creepy.
I get the same sort of vibe every time I'm at my kids schools...I feel as though I've stepped into some sort of hybrid Orwellian/Barney indoctrination center, where the primary "lesson" being taught is " how to be another faceless,unquestioning, boring cog in the wheel 101".
Now, believe me...I get that being an educator/teacher can be a very thankless job and that we now live in a " What do you mean my kid did something wrong/was a victim/heard or saw somethingI find offensive!!...I'm suing everyone!!" sort of world, thus resulting in many of these CYA policies ...and despite that, I've met a few teachers who are amazingly dedicated people who genuinely seem to care about the actual learning process.
...But, at the same time, I've sat across tables with"Stepford" administration/ teachers who regurgitate "doublespeak" as though they were tape recorders who's " educational mission" was/is to see that my kids become little tape recorders as well.
I have not goten that vibe at the elementarty or Jr. High. The high school - well I've only been in the band hall and auditoriums which just felt "bandy"
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Clthomps wrote:LoL my wife works in a Urban school, she had 3 handguns brought to school in 1 week and didn't see a sheriff.
Did she get to keep the handguns? I would wear them pirate or Mexican bandit style. If like a pirate, then a nice slow burning match under a hat would fashionably set them off perfectly.
Easy E wrote:I spend some time at my local school as a volunteer. It is always striking to me how "industrialized" the learning process is.
It feels more like a labor camp to me than a place of learning, like policies are in place simply to groom kids to be obedient wage slaves in the future. It is really creepy.
I get the same sort of vibe every time I'm at my kids schools...I feel as though I've stepped into some sort of hybrid Orwellian/Barney indoctrination center, where the primary "lesson" being taught is " how to be another faceless,unquestioning, boring cog in the wheel 101".
Now, believe me...I get that being an educator/teacher can be a very thankless job and that we now live in a " What do you mean my kid did something wrong/was a victim/heard or saw somethingI find offensive!!...I'm suing everyone!!" sort of world, thus resulting in many of these CYA policies ...and despite that, I've met a few teachers who are amazingly dedicated people who genuinely seem to care about the actual learning process.
...But, at the same time, I've sat across tables with"Stepford" administration/ teachers who regurgitate "doublespeak" as though they were tape recorders who's " educational mission" was/is to see that my kids become little tape recorders as well.
I'm often saddened at my wife's school. After a parent teacher conference wherein a parent when told by my wife that she doesn't argue with children the parent replied, "well, where is someone my daughter can argue with?" like that's a service that the school is supposed to offer. I'm also shocked by the lack of critical thinking and researching skills displayed by students, let alone the students on their way to high school that can barely read. It disgusts me. Teachers are part of the problem, so is the framework they work within; I wish I knew the solution.
Easy E wrote:I spend some time at my local school as a volunteer. It is always striking to me how "industrialized" the learning process is.
It feels more like a labor camp to me than a place of learning, like policies are in place simply to groom kids to be obedient wage slaves in the future. It is really creepy.
I get the same sort of vibe every time I'm at my kids schools...I feel as though I've stepped into some sort of hybrid Orwellian/Barney indoctrination center, where the primary "lesson" being taught is " how to be another faceless,unquestioning, boring cog in the wheel 101".
Now, believe me...I get that being an educator/teacher can be a very thankless job and that we now live in a " What do you mean my kid did something wrong/was a victim/heard or saw somethingI find offensive!!...I'm suing everyone!!" sort of world, thus resulting in many of these CYA policies ...and despite that, I've met a few teachers who are amazingly dedicated people who genuinely seem to care about the actual learning process.
...But, at the same time, I've sat across tables with"Stepford" administration/ teachers who regurgitate "doublespeak" as though they were tape recorders who's " educational mission" was/is to see that my kids become little tape recorders as well.
I'm often saddened at my wife's school. After a parent teacher conference wherein a parent when told by my wife that she doesn't argue with children the parent replied, "well, where is someone my daughter can argue with?" like that's a service that the school is supposed to offer. I'm also shocked by the lack of critical thinking and researching skills displayed by students, let alone the students on their way to high school that can barely read. It disgusts me. Teachers are part of the problem, so is the framework they work within; I wish I knew the solution.
Where there's a will there's a way. Vote Frazzled for Dicta...er President, and I will insure an amazing turnaround in scholastic activity. Everyone just needs the proper motivation.
@Frazzled
My friends have been subjected to my 2036 campaign for President of North America.
I would opine that Defense spending and Education spending should be equal.
AustonT wrote:@Frazzled
My friends have been subjected to my 2036 campaign for President of North America.
I would opine that Defense spending and Education spending should be equal.
I'm ok with that. UNder the enlightened Frazzled foreign policy of "dick with us and we'll radiate you, otherwise we're cool" we should have plenty of funds freed up for such. Proper funding and proper motivational techniques for all parties will insure Greater Texas er the USA will have the best educational system in the world.
Easy E wrote:I spend some time at my local school as a volunteer. It is always striking to me how "industrialized" the learning process is.
It feels more like a labor camp to me than a place of learning, like policies are in place simply to groom kids to be obedient wage slaves in the future. It is really creepy.
I get the same sort of vibe every time I'm at my kids schools...I feel as though I've stepped into some sort of hybrid Orwellian/Barney indoctrination center, where the primary "lesson" being taught is " how to be another faceless,unquestioning, boring cog in the wheel 101".
Now, believe me...I get that being an educator/teacher can be a very thankless job and that we now live in a " What do you mean my kid did something wrong/was a victim/heard or saw somethingI find offensive!!...I'm suing everyone!!" sort of world, thus resulting in many of these CYA policies ...and despite that, I've met a few teachers who are amazingly dedicated people who genuinely seem to care about the actual learning process.
...But, at the same time, I've sat across tables with"Stepford" administration/ teachers who regurgitate "doublespeak" as though they were tape recorders who's " educational mission" was/is to see that my kids become little tape recorders as well.
I'm often saddened at my wife's school. After a parent teacher conference wherein a parent when told by my wife that she doesn't argue with children the parent replied, "well, where is someone my daughter can argue with?" like that's a service that the school is supposed to offer. I'm also shocked by the lack of critical thinking and researching skills displayed by students, let alone the students on their way to high school that can barely read. It disgusts me. Teachers are part of the problem, so is the framework they work within; I wish I knew the solution.
...Yes, I also noticed parents who expect teachers to be "baby sitters / emotional punching bags" for their kids, going to PTA functions is always an...interesting experiance.
I also agree that in many ways the educational system isn't up to snuff, I discovered that while my kids could recite dates and events,etc...they had absolutely zero understanding of impact of events and found this was true of most of their class mates as well.
Also noticed quite a few kids , as you noted, who continue to be promoted from grade to grade even though they couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a map.
Honestly...I don't know what the solution is either, but...as a parent I do what I can to fill in the gaps that the educational system misses as best I can.
Jihadin wrote:Times are changing. Remember back in high school when there was an actual "Social Study" class.
... Yeah, I remember back in high school when there were fights between students , staff broke it up, detentions/suspensions were given out...and everyone got on with life.
Now...if two kids scrap ...the police have to be involved.
that really depends on where you are...the cops were scared to go near my inner city middle school, it was simply the worst school I've ever been to...
To give you a perspective, I was one out of two white guys in my homeroom...no racist intention but that's how it was...those kids didn't mess around, screw with someone and you'd be on the business end of a boot circle or a pencil shiv...
And the staff would only get involved after the fact...
Under the future enlightened Frazzled administration, everyone will be from Texas. Those regions will encompass
old Texas (Mexico)
Texas (Texas)
Permian Basin ala hell of Texas (West Texas and New Mexico)
West Texas (all western states outside of California/Oregon/Washington)
Left Texas (California, Oregon, Washington)
Cold Texas (northern Midwest)
South Texas (Dixie states)
Yankee Texas (New England)
Maple Texas (Canada)
Canada and Mexico need not be alarmed. Their assimilation will be seamless using the awesome power of Tex Mex and bacon.
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FITZZ wrote:
Jihadin wrote:Times are changing. Remember back in high school when there was an actual "Social Study" class.
... Yeah, I remember back in high school when there were fights between students , staff broke it up, detentions/suspensions were given out...and everyone got on with life.
Now...if two kids scrap ...the police have to be involved.
that really depends on where you are...the cops were scared to go near my inner city middle school, it was simply the worst school I've ever been to...
To give you a perspective, I was one out of two white guys in my homeroom...no racist intention but that's how it was...those kids didn't mess around, screw with someone and you'd be on the business end of a boot circle or a pencil shiv...
And the staff would only get involved after the fact...
I thought you were about to say "and that was just the teachers."
Jihadin wrote:Times are changing. Remember back in high school when there was an actual "Social Study" class.
... Yeah, I remember back in high school when there were fights between students , staff broke it up, detentions/suspensions were given out...and everyone got on with life.
Now...if two kids scrap ...the police have to be involved.
that really depends on where you are...the cops were scared to go near my inner city middle school, it was simply the worst school I've ever been to...
To give you a perspective, I was one out of two white guys in my homeroom...no racist intention but that's how it was...those kids didn't mess around, screw with someone and you'd be on the business end of a boot circle or a pencil shiv...
And the staff would only get involved after the fact...
I went to one of the " worst" high schools in New Orleans ( one of the "worst" middle schools as well) and fights were pretty much an everyday thing...during that time I saw police at school a total of perhaps four or five times, and in every single case they were there for " drug related offenses".
FITZZ wrote:I went to one of the " worst" high schools in New Orleans ( one of the "worst" middle schools as well) and fights were pretty much an everyday thing...during that time I saw police at school a total of perhaps four or five times, and in every single case they were there for " drug related offenses".
Yep...describes Ferry Pass to a tee...Some of the little buggers were smart about it too...
You don't know the amount of times I've seen a student writhing on the football field at PE and the offending party telling the coach it was "an accident."
Jihadin wrote:Times are changing. Remember back in high school when there was an actual "Social Study" class.
... Yeah, I remember back in high school when there were fights between students , staff broke it up, detentions/suspensions were given out...and everyone got on with life.
Now...if two kids scrap ...the police have to be involved.
that really depends on where you are...the cops were scared to go near my inner city middle school, it was simply the worst school I've ever been to...
To give you a perspective, I was one out of two white guys in my homeroom...no racist intention but that's how it was...those kids didn't mess around, screw with someone and you'd be on the business end of a boot circle or a pencil shiv...
And the staff would only get involved after the fact...
I moved from rural Montana to the middle school in central Phoenix now using facial recognition software with thier on campus surveillance system. It was an...interesting transition. Turns out though, farm kids are meaner than tween wannabe g's.
I went to one of the " worst" high schools in New Orleans ( one of the "worst" middle schools as well) and fights were pretty much an everyday thing...during that time I saw police at school a total of perhaps four or five times, and in every single case they were there for " drug related offenses".
Heck, may as well have Texas annex Louisiana. A lot of the folks who took refuge there after Katrina haven't left (and it wasn't the good ones that seem to have stayed according to my Houston Cop brother).
CptJake wrote:Heck, may as well have Texas annex Louisiana. A lot of the folks who took refuge there after Katrina haven't left (and it wasn't the good ones that seem to have stayed according to my Houston Cop brother).
Yes many more homeless since then. Seperate to that, Houston has a bunch of Katrina refugees that never went back, which is fine. When mom was in the hospital her liason was from Metarie and they babbled away for quite a while. No one else could understand them.
CptJake wrote:Heck, may as well have Texas annex Louisiana. A lot of the folks who took refuge there after Katrina haven't left (and it wasn't the good ones that seem to have stayed according to my Houston Cop brother).
...Yeah, Katrina spread a lot of us ( both good and not so good) all over the South, I'm constantly running into my displaced coonass brothers and sisters here in GA.
...we're sort of like Ork spores in that way.
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CptJake wrote:Heck, may as well have Texas annex Louisiana. A lot of the folks who took refuge there after Katrina haven't left (and it wasn't the good ones that seem to have stayed according to my Houston Cop brother).
Yes many more homeless since then. Seperate to that, Houston has a bunch of Katrina refugees that never went back, which is fine. When mom was in the hospital her liason was from Metarie and they babbled away for quite a while. No one else could understand them.
...That's how we locate one another, I can hear a fellow coonass from across a crowded store...and they can hear me.
FITZZ wrote:
Seriously?....School officials are now calling in law enforcement when two kids kiss...?....Seriously?
...This is absolutely ridiculous.
I blame the whole mess with Paterno, etc. Now everyone's nerve's are going to be all frayed, etc. and even a strange look in someones general direction will be cause for cries of sexual harassment. (Note: I'm not saying that minors weren't sexually harassed at Penn State, etc. I'm just saying that the situation has been put in the spotlight and the controversy is making people uncomfortable because they aren't sure what the appropriate response will be to a given action that could be construed as sexual in nature).
FITZZ wrote:
Seriously?....School officials are now calling in law enforcement when two kids kiss...?....Seriously?
...This is absolutely ridiculous.
I blame the whole mess with Paterno, etc. Now everyone's nerve's are going to be all frayed, etc. and even a strange look in someones general direction will be cause for cries of sexual harassment. (Note: I'm not saying that minors weren't sexually harassed at Penn State, etc. I'm just saying that the situation has been put in the spotlight and the controversy is making people uncomfortable because they aren't sure what the appropriate response will be to a given action that could be construed as sexual in nature).
Actually these "panic policies" were pretty much SOP long before the Penn State situations....but I'm sure those events could serve to exacerbate things.
Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
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I moved from rural Montana to the middle school in central Phoenix now using facial recognition software with thier on campus surveillance system. It was an...interesting transition. Turns out though, farm kids are meaner than tween wannabe g's.
Frazzled wrote:Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
Meh, I suppose if you really wanted to make a "case" against the girl who kissed the young boy you could...by a huge stretch of the imagination.
Frazzled wrote:Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
Meh, I suppose if you really wanted to make a "case" against the girl who kissed the young boy you could...by a huge stretch of the imagination.
How? Assault/battery cases generally require "hostile or offensive" as a predicate.
Frazzled wrote:Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
Meh, I suppose if you really wanted to make a "case" against the girl who kissed the young boy you could...by a huge stretch of the imagination.
How? Assault/battery cases generally require "hostile or offensive" as a predicate.
Hmm, was under the impresion that a case could be made for battery simply based on " unwanted" contact from another individule....not saying that the little boy didn't want the " contact" he received ...but I did get the idea that it was a bit of an initial " surprise" to him perhaps.
Frazzled wrote:Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
Meh, I suppose if you really wanted to make a "case" against the girl who kissed the young boy you could...by a huge stretch of the imagination.
How? Assault/battery cases generally require "hostile or offensive" as a predicate.
Hmm, was under the impresion that a case could be made for battery simply based on " unwanted" contact from another individule....not saying that the little boy didn't want the " contact" he received ...but I did get the idea that it was a bit of an initial " surprise" to him perhaps.
Unwanted could be a standard - depends on what the theoretical charge and jurisidiction is. Buta again its the standard of the boy, not the school.
That really is just crazy.
I actually looked into being a teacher in the states. And hell.
Crap all pay, obnoxious children and parents, and a waaaaay higher chance of getting sued over something trivial.
How in the name of god do you attract people to the profession!?
Frazzled wrote:Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
Meh, I suppose if you really wanted to make a "case" against the girl who kissed the young boy you could...by a huge stretch of the imagination.
How? Assault/battery cases generally require "hostile or offensive" as a predicate.
Hmm, was under the impresion that a case could be made for battery simply based on " unwanted" contact from another individule....not saying that the little boy didn't want the " contact" he received ...but I did get the idea that it was a bit of an initial " surprise" to him perhaps.
I don't know about you but if some chick I didn't know walked up to me and kissed me, I'd be quite pleasantly surprised...
Da Boss wrote:I actually looked into being a teacher in the states. And hell.
Crap all pay, obnoxious children and parents, and a waaaaay higher chance of getting sued over something trivial.
How in the name of god do you attract people to the profession!?
That's a really good question, as I said, I've encountered teachers who just really seem passionate about making a difference...some sort of positive impact on the world around them, perhaps that's part of what draws educators into the American school system.
Frazzled wrote:Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
Meh, I suppose if you really wanted to make a "case" against the girl who kissed the young boy you could...by a huge stretch of the imagination.
How? Assault/battery cases generally require "hostile or offensive" as a predicate.
Hmm, was under the impresion that a case could be made for battery simply based on " unwanted" contact from another individule....not saying that the little boy didn't want the " contact" he received ...but I did get the idea that it was a bit of an initial " surprise" to him perhaps.
Unwanted could be a standard - depends on what the theoretical charge and jurisidiction is. Buta again its the standard of the boy, not the school.
That really is just crazy.
In Florida, the standard for battery is just "unwanted"
Frazzled wrote:Still trying to see what the actual crime could be. OK I take that back, false reporting is a crime. I guess the police could arrest the person from the school dragging them out there.
Meh, I suppose if you really wanted to make a "case" against the girl who kissed the young boy you could...by a huge stretch of the imagination.
How? Assault/battery cases generally require "hostile or offensive" as a predicate.
Hmm, was under the impresion that a case could be made for battery simply based on " unwanted" contact from another individule....not saying that the little boy didn't want the " contact" he received ...but I did get the idea that it was a bit of an initial " surprise" to him perhaps.
I don't know about you but if some chick I didn't know walked up to me and kissed me, I'd be quite pleasantly surprised...
Yeah, like I said...I suppose if someone really wanted to push a case...then perhaps there would be some validity, but as Frazz pointed out that would probably be the boys call ( or god forbid his parents) and not the schools.
I was thinking about this thread last night and had to laugh at the realization that if these same policies had been in affect in the 70's I myself could have been whisked away by the " kissing cops".
Since the boy is a minor, it's the parents' call. And since the school pushed it to the Sheriff's department from the start it might be that there's some kind of history there or some other potential shenanigans going on.
Kanluwen wrote:Since the boy is a minor, it's the parents' call. And since the school pushed it to the Sheriff's department from the start it might be that there's some kind of history there or some other potential shenanigans going on.
That's not strictly true in this case. It's sort of confusing.
There are two layers. The first layer is if a crime was committed, the second is if charges were pressed.
In the FIRST layer, we have to determine if "unwanted" touching happened. THAT part is still defined by the kid themselves.
In the SECOND layer, we decide if the victim will press charges. THAT is decided by the parents.
So in this case, if the touching wasn't "unwanted" BY THE KID, then it never gets up to the second layer where the parents decide. The officer still needs PC before the parents even get options.
TL : DR, the parents decide if charges will be pressed, but they can't decide if the touching was "wanted" or not because the kid is old enough to communicate that.
Frazzled wrote:The administrator initially contacted the Florida Department of Children and Families. However, DCF told the school that they needed to call local law enforcement.
On a tangentially related note (barely), I live in a semi-rural area. There have been a few occasions where it's required for me to call the police for some reason or another, all non-emergencies (I had a smoker stolen off my porch, I once had a credit card stolen and needed to file a police report for the bank, etc). Since I have no local PD, I always call the county cops directly, and they tell me I need to call 911. Since I lived in NYC for the majority of my life I always found this to be disquieting and have been hesitant to so (strictly for life and limb emergencies back home). But indeed, that's how they do it around here.
Sorry for dragging this post back up, but I wanted to comment on it.
I live in an urban area (Chicago), and I was moving. So, I had registered with the city to make the street right in front of my building "No Parking - Tow Zone" on the morning of my move, as my street was a single lane with parking on both sides, so I needed a big spot for the moving truck to park so that it wouldn't block the entire street for the day.
Well, the morning of the move, there was a car still parked right in the middle of the spot for the truck (it hadn't moved in weeks and looked like it may be abandoned). I called the Chicago Department of Streets and Sanitation, explained that I had it as a tow zone for the day, and asked them to come tow the car away. They told me they don't handle that, and that I should call 911.
I asked "911? Shouldn't I call 311? (The non-emergency number in Chicago)" They said "Nope, call 911."
So, I called 911 and explained the non-emergency. The operator was totally understanding and not at all surprised that someone would call for something like this and said they'll send someone right out.
Of course, an hour later when the moving truck showed up, the car was still there. It was still there 3 hours after that when I and the truck left after having blocked the entire street for the entire morning. And, it was still there when I went back the next day to pick up the last odds and ends.
So, a car parked illegally is an emergency, just not enough of a one to respond to.
Rented Tritium wrote:
TL : DR, the parents decide if charges will be pressed, but they can't decide if the touching was "wanted" or not because the kid is old enough to communicate that.
To add another layer entirely, charges can be pressed without the victim wanting them to be filed if the crime is heinous enough.
I doubt that was the case here, but it would be quite amusing if it were.
Monster Rain wrote:If they caught kids doing what I remember being involved in as a very young lad in this day and age they'd probably get sent to gitmo.
Rented Tritium wrote:
TL : DR, the parents decide if charges will be pressed, but they can't decide if the touching was "wanted" or not because the kid is old enough to communicate that.
To add another layer entirely, charges can be pressed without the victim wanting them to be filed if the crime is heinous enough.
I doubt that was the case here, but it would be quite amusing if it were.
Yeah, like if it's a baby or if it's agg batt or something, the charge form tends to have some "or" language in there to get out of needing the kid to say so.
.. That's just...sad, apparently folks have some very odd ideas about what constitutes an emergency.
... Yeah, I remember back in high school when there were fights between students , staff broke it up, detentions/suspensions were given out...and everyone got on with life.
