Whats the average wargamers (or dakka-users) political attitude? I've been wondering for quite a while now, so I started a poll.

I'm left

Liberal with some right-wing views

which ever benefits me.

...Gah, I have some very " leftist" views on a great many subjects...but a few " right wing" views too....

Where's the "Couldn't give a crap, coz it'll all turn out to be lies and u-turned upon" option?

Also what about the no idea option.

Americans have a very different idea of left and right wing compared to the UK and Europe. Obama is middle right, and the GOP are far right, by most comparisons. The GOP are much more right wing than our conservatives. Words like liberal and socialist are not applied correctly and are used as slurs. Unfortunately the UK seems to be showing a bit of that too.

Patrick Bateman wrote:Well, we have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.

Pretty much sums it up.

Conservative with libertarian leanings.

In all seriousness, I guess I'm pretty hard to pin down - I'm ultra-liberal about some things, whereas on other issues I'm at the extreme right of the spectrum.

I vote Conservative, if that's any help.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Americans have a very different idea of left and right wing compared to the UK and Europe. Obama is middle right, and the GOP are far right, by most comparisons. The GOP are much more right wing than our conservatives. Words like liberal and socialist are not applied correctly and are used as slurs. Unfortunately the UK seems to be showing a bit of that too.

Howie I'm pretty sure you've been skewed the wrong direction on American politics, which in respect to European politics is distinctly left. Our constitution and bill of rights are right out of the liberal playbook. The last part is spot on, but Obama is center left if I'm being generous, far left if I'm not...socialized medical care certainly is not a "middle right" policy. If Obama is center left, Max Baucus also a democrat is center right. And the republicans by and large are bonkers right.
I'm a centrist, I even like the American Populist platform I saw, but I most closely identify with the Montana Democratic party, it's no great coincidence I'm from Montana.

AustonT wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Americans have a very different idea of left and right wing compared to the UK and Europe. Obama is middle right, and the GOP are far right, by most comparisons. The GOP are much more right wing than our conservatives. Words like liberal and socialist are not applied correctly and are used as slurs. Unfortunately the UK seems to be showing a bit of that too.

Howie I'm pretty sure you've been skewed the wrong direction on American politics, which in respect to European politics is distinctly left. Our constitution and bill of rights are right out of the liberal playbook.

Eh? Much of the US constitution is borrowed from Europe, specifically England, though the more rabid American jingoists often refuse to admit it.

The last part is spot on, but Obama is center left if I'm being generous, far left if I'm not...socialized medical care certainly is not a "middle right" policy.

Depends how you argue it. By calling it 'socialised medical care' you've rhetorically placed it on the left, whereas if you used 'national' or 'federal' it wouldn't sound as socialist, and therefore would be less completely gak-your-pants terrifying. I'm a nationalist, therefore I see the National Health Service as an important tool in the maintenance of a strong and healthy nation. It binds us together, not out of social concern, but out of a concern for national well-being.

Still sound left-wing?

Where's the "common sense" option?

Honestly, I don't like saying "I'm left/right wing" for fear of associating myself with one of the parties in our government that can't figure out how to balance a budget...

I'm certainly more liberal minded than my family though...

Liberal for me.
But i feel you should add "Conservative" as a poll option. would't want anyone to feel left out would you....

In the US political spectrum, I don't really fit in to any category, but I am closest to a libertarian. That is, until someone starts talking about disbanding the Dept of Education or otherwise goes pants-on-head.

AustonT wrote:Howie I'm pretty sure you've been skewed the wrong direction on American politics, which in respect to European politics is distinctly left.

Compared to who? The democracies in South America are typically even further to the left. Australia is more to the right of Europe, but New Zealand isn't. So really, once you look at the democracies of the world, the European countries sit somewhere in the middle, and the US is way out on the end by itself.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. A democracy is just supposed to represent, more or less, the general political values of it's voters. The voters of the US are generally more right wing, that's all.

Our constitution and bill of rights are right out of the liberal playbook.

It's important to consider how the word liberal has changed over the years. It was originally a movement informed by the new ideas of personal freedom, and the developing field of economics that argued for removing all barriers to trade. Until very recently, it still meant that across most of the world. Here in Australia our right wing party is called the Liberal party.

The term came to mean something very different in the US, quite some time ago, and slowly, due to the dominance of US media, the term 'liberal' is assuming the American meaning elsewhere in the world.

Which is really just a long winded way of saying that I agree that the constitution and bill of rights are right out of the liberal playbook, but they're out of the old school meaning of the word liberal, and have little to do with the modern meaning. And really, that's just kind of how politics works, the old school liberals won the argument back in the day, beating out the dominionists and all the rest to establish a state founded on personal liberty and the seperation of church and state.

The last part is spot on, but Obama is center left if I'm being generous, far left if I'm not...socialized medical care certainly is not a "middle right" policy.

The policies Obama adopted for his 'socialised medicine' came from Republican policy initiatives. The left wing policy option, that was generally endorsed by the Democrats, involved direct government provision of healthcare at a minimum level, with the option to buy higher level healthcare through private insurers. Instead, Obama took a Republican policy initiative, to require health insurers to take on everyone, and require everyone to take out healthcare, as a market based solution, because the logic goes that any model where pricing and services are primarily drawn from the interaction of buyers and sellers will be cheaper than

Exactly how much Obama did that because he wanted a centralist reform that would get bipartisan support (and that really worked wonders ), and how much he did this because he actually believed a market based solution was the best option is up for debate. I think it's probably a little of each.

Which pretty much makes him a centrist in US politics.

If Obama is center left, Max Baucus also a democrat is center right. And the republicans by and large are bonkers right.

According to the rest of the world, that's pretty much how we see it. Seriously, Obama would be unelectable in much of the world, because his policies would be seen as two far to the right. Which is really odd when you consider how popular he is around the world.

I am an Anarchist. Screw all the government. They're just mouthpieces for the global megacorporate elites anyway. Always have been. Left and right are just tricks played on people, to distract them from reality.

alarmingrick wrote:Liberal for me.
But i feel you should add "Conservative" as a poll option. would't want anyone to feel left out would you....

It's kind of an odd poll, really. Even if you accept the logic of having just a single axis (and so a person can't be socially left wing and economically right wing, such as a libertarian) it seems strange that a liberal would sit in the middle. By either understanding of that term, they don't sit in the middle, they're either centre right or centre left.

There's no middle ground? I'm liberal on some social issues and conservative on some economic issues so I can't say that I'm right or left.

sebster wrote:According to the rest of the world, that's pretty much how we see it. Seriously, Obama would be unelectable in much of the world, because his policies would be seen as two far to the right. Which is really odd when you consider how popular he is around the world.

I think that's going a bit far, but I would say that Obama is popular because he's a charismatic reasonable person. And after George Bush, and the future prospects of anyone from the tea party, well Obama is highly desirable as a moderate individual given how important the US is in the world's affairs.

warpcrafter wrote:I am an Anarchist. Screw all the government. They're just mouthpieces for the Jews anyway. Always have been. Left and right are just tricks played on people, to distract them from the Jewish lizard conspiracy. It goes all the way to the TOP, man!

Uh-oh, I feel you may have said too much, warpcrafter!

Albatross wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:I am an Anarchist. Screw all the government. They're just mouthpieces for the Jews anyway. Always have been. Left and right are just tricks played on people, to distract them from the Jewish lizard conspiracy. It goes all the way to the TOP, man!

Uh-oh, I feel you may have said too much, warpcrafter!

warpcrafter or.....Mel Gibson?!?!?


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sebster wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:Liberal for me.
But i feel you should add "Conservative" as a poll option. would't want anyone to feel left out would you....

It's kind of an odd poll, really. Even if you accept the logic of having just a single axis (and so a person can't be socially left wing and economically right wing, such as a libertarian) it seems strange that a liberal would sit in the middle. By either understanding of that term, they don't sit in the middle, they're either centre right or centre left.

I though it was just where it was placed, not meaning the 'center'! you're correct.

AustonT wrote:
Howie I'm pretty sure you've been skewed the wrong direction on American politics, which in respect to European politics is distinctly left.

What definition of "left" are you using?

warpcrafter wrote:I am an Anarchist. Screw all the government. They're just mouthpieces for the global megacorporate elites anyway. Always have been. Left and right are just tricks played on people, to distract them from reality.

This is the most reasonable post I've ever read on any internet thingy.

mega_bassist wrote:Liberal with some right-wing views

Indeed.

alarmingrick wrote:I though it was just where it was placed, not meaning the 'center'! you're correct.

Possibly, that does make sense. But then where's the conservative option, or the centrist option?

Erm...

Cannerus... Is that you in the bunny mask?

I am hard supporter of Socalism...

Chowderhead wrote:Erm...

Cannerus... Is that you in the bunny mask?

I've been wondering that too. I guess I haven't asked because I was afraid of the answer, mainly because it's not possible to 'un-masturbate'...

Howard A Treesong wrote:I think that's going a bit far, but I would say that Obama is popular because he's a charismatic reasonable person. And after George Bush, and the future prospects of anyone from the tea party, well Obama is highly desirable as a moderate individual given how important the US is in the world's affairs.

He is certainly charismatic, and that plays a part in his popularity. And he certainly isn't Bush, and we all really hated that guy, and Obama's general diplomatic efforts of outreach are certainly going to be more effective than Bush's 'because feth you, that's why' approach to diplomatic relations.

But at their core, Obama's government trucks on with policies that would see him voted out of just about any other country. As an example, his policy on Israel is less pro-Israel than most of his predecessors, but he still keeps the US as Israel's #1 ally, and doesn't even consider that changing.

Chowderhead wrote:Erm...

Cannerus... Is that you in the bunny mask?

Based on his past pics, as opposed to say your past photos, it looks closer to you....

were is the "none,i dont give a crap and will be whatever i think is good at the moment" option?

sebster wrote:going to be more effective than Bush's 'because feth you, that's why' approach to diplomatic relations.

I wouldn't call Bush's method ineffectual at all, just very limited in terms of what it can affect...

And no, it was an image I found when looking at bunny half-masks. It seemed classy, a little trashy and somewhat weird while retaining that forum-friendly quality. It was more an inevitability of it being posted really. That being said, let's not derail this topic, my little pets

Too few options.

I agree with gay men and disabled lesbians dancing down the streets of Britain wearing gimp suits and smoking reefer whilst throwing immigrants out and singing songs about bringing back hanging and flogging.

If that helps. ;-)

I'm a liberal republican.

Mark up the un-masterbate to having a gay moment. You be alright. Happens to everyone

Personally I'm more conservative than liberal, but I refuse to side with any particular party. Don't get me wrong, I like parties, but not when they involve me getting strung up like a living pinata and beaten until all my money comes out of my pockets.

Definitely one of life's fence sitters, though do I have my extreme views e.g. I really don't think Britain needs the nuclear deterrent.

Nuclear deterrent

Mutaully assured destruction...so one has the pause over the big red button

I wonder if there is something about the wargaming hobby that tends to attract a certain frame of thinking?

Howard A Treesong wrote:Americans have a very different idea of left and right wing compared to the UK and Europe. Obama is middle right, and the GOP are far right, by most comparisons. The GOP are much more right wing than our conservatives. Words like liberal and socialist are not applied correctly and are used as slurs. Unfortunately the UK seems to be showing a bit of that too.

We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.
Plus we're closer to the two extremes. In Latin America we've had one party states of the left or right wing variety constantly.

For moi - where would you put Genghis Khan on the scale? According to Dakka I'm just slightly more conservative.

DING DING

Frazzled wrote:We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.

There are more people living in the US than Europe? Mm'kay.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Frazzled wrote:We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.

There are more people living in the US than Europe? Mm'kay.

There are more than 300MM, give or take 20MM or so illegal aliens. How about the UK or WEstern Europe? I'd proffer Eastern Europe don't think like you do mate.

Political view not "who's has the biggest population"

Jihadin wrote:Political view not "who's has the biggest population"

Well when you have both, its easy. (insert required Texas Hurr!!! comment here).


Frazzled, watching the ash from wildfires falling on him calling wife
"Did I mention I'm retiring in Tennessee?"

Well the EU alone in 500 million and the whole continent comes to 800 million or so.

Even if you only take some of the best known european countries; the UK, Germany, Austria, Belgium, Italy, France and Spain you get over 300 million. And that's ignoring a lot of countries in western Europe.

So um, no there aren't more people in the US than Europe by any stretch of the imagination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Europe

Maybe you watch Fox News a bit too much?

Well the EU alone in 500 million and the whole continent comes to 800 million or so

How many of them..younger generation not the older generation...are amercanized

Jihadin wrote:

Well the EU alone in 500 million and the whole continent comes to 800 million or so

How many of them..younger generation not the older generation...are amercanized

Probably the UK more than the rest... the cheese eating surrender monkeys just over the channel don't like anyone.

I would say I am a Moderate with Conservative tendencies.

My roomy in college thought I was a Facist for some reason though.

Now all we need is someone from a certain country to read the reply's and then it will get lively

My roomy in college thought I was a Facist for some reason though

Never asked you did he on your political view.

Archaeo wrote:I would say I am a Moderate with Conservative tendencies.

My roomy in college thought I was a Facist for some reason though.

Yeah people tend to overuse that word quite wrongly....
Actually I'm fairly fascist, and nope I'm not a nazi

Archaeo wrote:I would say I am a Moderate with Conservative tendencies.

My roomy in college thought I was a Facist for some reason though.

Did you carry a bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe?

I should be in charge!

I'm centre-left. I believe in the state helping people along, but I am also pretty in favour of personal responsibility.

I also don't think socialism is a dirty word.

You need to add an option to your poll for people like me who don't care about the issues or parties and usually just votes for whoever seems to not be a moron or crook or both

My political attittude is that I try not to talk about my political stances on the internet with strangers, let alone on wargaming forums. Too much drama.

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

Well, the myth that OT has a leftwing bias is getting dispelled, anyhow!

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

I'd say you have that covered. Team USA does it again! Boo-ya!

Working on it

Just realized, conservative is missing from this poll. Liberal is there, but not its counterpart.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:Just realized, conservative is missing from this poll. Liberal is there, but not its counterpart.

Right and conservative are fairly interchangeable these days. Same with liberal and left. It's all been branded to death.


Mark my political leanings to liberal warhawk.

I like this way of looking at political leanings:

http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php

Some of the questions are kind of leading, but the chart itself gives a good picture. Unlike that ridiculous poll in the OP.

For the record I'm a right leaning Libertarian.

Frazzled wrote: There are more than 300MM, give or take 20MM or so illegal aliens.

There's 300 millimeter of what? and 20 millimeter or so of illeagal alien what?
I knew they were changing the school text books in Texass, but my god man! what are you saying?!

Jihadin wrote:Never asked you did he on your political view.

Did you turn into Yoda suddenly?

alarmingrick wrote:

Frazzled wrote: There are more than 300MM, give or take 20MM or so illegal aliens.

There's 300 millimeter of what? and 20 millimeter or so of illeagal alien what?
I knew they were changing the school text books in Texass, but my god man! what are you saying?!

Jihadin wrote:Never asked you did he on your political view.

Did you turn into Yoda suddenly?

MM is vernacular for million.

Frazzled wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

Frazzled wrote: There are more than 300MM, give or take 20MM or so illegal aliens.

There's 300 millimeter of what? and 20 millimeter or so of illeagal alien what?
I knew they were changing the school text books in Texass, but my god man! what are you saying?!

Jihadin wrote:Never asked you did he on your political view.

Did you turn into Yoda suddenly?

MM is vernacular for million.

I know. I was just giving you a hard time.

I would normally vote ALCP (Aotearoa Legalise Cannibis Party) because i cant decide between Labour and National.
BUT I'm voting National this year because Phil Goff only shuns National's policies, and says nothing about his own.

I can just imagine Americans yelling "WHAT?" because they have never even heard of this tiny island nation, let alone understand how it forms a government.
AND to top it off Encyclopedia Americania only has a footnote showing the flag and stating that you can't send your nuclear-powered ships there for reasons unknown.

NOTE: I just made up the idea of Encyclopedia Americania about 20 seconds ago

Not sure why there's liberal and "left" unless liberal is supposed to = libertarian.

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

I forgot, America is saving the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

I do love the American attitude!

Castiel wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

I forgot, America is saving the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

I do love the American attitude!

America! feth yeah!

Frazzled wrote:We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.

There are 308 million people in the United States, and the European Union has 502 million.

That'd be some of that American maths, then, would it?


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AustonT wrote:You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

I thought you were?

Albatross wrote:Depends how you argue it. By calling it 'socialised medical care' you've rhetorically placed it on the left, whereas if you used 'national' or 'federal' it wouldn't sound as socialist, and therefore would be less completely gak-your-pants terrifying. I'm a nationalist, therefore I see the National Health Service as an important tool in the maintenance of a strong and healthy nation. It binds us together, not out of social concern, but out of a concern for national well-being.

Still sound left-wing?

That's good. I may have to borrow that for some future socio-political essay (if you don't mind).

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.

There are 308 million people in the United States, and the European Union has 502 million.

That'd be some of that American maths, then, would it?

You must not have heard about Texass redoing their school text books?
Frazz got stuck doing the math books....

I consider myself a Liberal according to the classical standard. Today that would be "classical liberal." I support liberty, so most people would consider me "Far Right."

Albatross wrote:I'm a nationalist, therefore I see the National Health Service as an important tool in the maintenance of a strong and healthy nation.

Still sound left-wing?

A nationalist socialist? Yes, sounds very left wing.

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

Were following you, we don,t have people living in subways , or tent cities. And in 55 years only seen one man rummaging in trashcans.

All British people have the right to good health (free healthcare).

Green anarchist here.

In my opinion, politicians are just figureheads, and large businesses and companies are the real rulers of the world.

I'm UP.



GO NASA! (and space in general)


While we still live on Earth, I'm left. Quite far left, farther left than most liberals.

biccat wrote:I consider myself a Liberal according to the classical standard. Today that would be "classical liberal." I support liberty, so most people would consider me "Far Right."

Albatross wrote:I'm a nationalist, therefore I see the National Health Service as an important tool in the maintenance of a strong and healthy nation.

Still sound left-wing?

A nationalist socialist? Yes, sounds very left wing.

A classical liberal does not fall much on the far right side of the spectrum economically and isn't even close socially. It's fair that you would try to hitch your horse in such a nice stable though, even if it doesn't belong.

I'm a pretentious pragmatist, which places me somewhere around the middle in the US. I tend to be more interested in political feasibility than principle, and don't really have an interest what the US should so much as what the US is.

I'm all over the spectrum. Economic policy, dreadfully conservative (like, 30 years ago conservative, not the modern version). Socially almost as dreadfully liberal. Military policy, surprisingly 'middle of the road.'

George Spiggott wrote:

Albatross wrote:Depends how you argue it. By calling it 'socialised medical care' you've rhetorically placed it on the left, whereas if you used 'national' or 'federal' it wouldn't sound as socialist, and therefore would be less completely gak-your-pants terrifying. I'm a nationalist, therefore I see the National Health Service as an important tool in the maintenance of a strong and healthy nation. It binds us together, not out of social concern, but out of a concern for national well-being.

Still sound left-wing?

That's good. I may have to borrow that for some future socio-political essay (if you don't mind).

I fear I'm being mocked.

loki old fart wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

Were following you, we don,t have people living in subways , or tent cities. And in 55 years only seen one man rummaging in trashcans.

All British people have the right to good health (free healthcare).

There live around 1 million homeless in England. Half a million live on the street or doorways, the second half live in shelters or squat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_England

Jake

Guys, can we not do the whole USA vs UK thing? It's so played out.

I picked fair right because it fits my Social views but not my Economical views.

Hmmmm, bollocks to the lot of it.
That is a correct view right?
Thats the one i have adopted anyway.

alarmingrick wrote:

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.

There are 308 million people in the United States, and the European Union has 502 million.

That'd be some of that American maths, then, would it?

You must not have heard about Texass redoing their school text books?
Frazz got stuck doing the math books....

2+2 = 4 unless you're nearing the speed of light, or you're an attorney in which case 2+2 = whatever the client wants if they pay enough.


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loki old fart wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

Were following you, we don,t have people living in subways , or tent cities. And in 55 years only seen one man rummaging in trashcans.

All British people have the right to good health (free healthcare).

Wait, there's a buttload living in front of a church I hear.

Frazzled wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.

There are 308 million people in the United States, and the European Union has 502 million.

That'd be some of that American maths, then, would it?

You must not have heard about Texass redoing their school text books?
Frazz got stuck doing the math books....

2+2 = 4 unless you're nearing the speed of light, or you're an attorney in which case 2+2 = whatever the client wants if they pay enough.


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loki old fart wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

Were following you, we don,t have people living in subways , or tent cities. And in 55 years only seen one man rummaging in trashcans.

All British people have the right to good health (free healthcare).

Wait, there's a buttload living in front of a church I hear.

At least we didn't evict our homeless from their temporary home and pepper spray them,

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:We have the correct view. There are more of us than the UK and Europe. therefore you're the deviants.

There are 308 million people in the United States, and the European Union has 502 million.

That'd be some of that American maths, then, would it?

You must not have heard about Texass redoing their school text books?
Frazz got stuck doing the math books....

2+2 = 4 unless you're nearing the speed of light, or you're an attorney in which case 2+2 = whatever the client wants if they pay enough.


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loki old fart wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

Were following you, we don,t have people living in subways , or tent cities. And in 55 years only seen one man rummaging in trashcans.

All British people have the right to good health (free healthcare).

Wait, there's a buttload living in front of a church I hear.

At least we didn't evict our homeless from their temporary home and pepper spray them,

Thats you're not civilized more gooder like we are.

loki old fart wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
We have the correct view.

The colony is getting to big for its boots again! You're just an offshoot of Europe!

You're right we should have followed our British cousins in a slide to mediocrity and the loss of a worldwide empire...

Were following you, we don,t have people living in subways , or tent cities. And in 55 years only seen one man rummaging in trashcans.

All British people have the right to good health (free healthcare).

Wait, there's a buttload living in front of a church I hear.