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Post by: Toastedandy
I know theres already an iranian thread, but this deserves its own:
An order from Gen Mohammed Ali Jaafari, the commander of the guards, raised the operational readiness status of the country’s forces, initiating preparations for potential external strikes and covert attacks.
Western intelligence officials said the Islamic Republic had initiated plans to disperse long-range missiles, high explosives, artillery and guards units to key defensive positions.
The order was given in response to the mounting international pressure over Iran’s nuclear programme. Preparation for a confrontation has gathered pace following last month’s report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna that produced evidence that Iran was actively working to produce nuclear weapons.
The Iranian leadership fears the country is being subjected to a carefully co-ordinated attack by Western intelligence and security agencies to destroy key elements of its nuclear infrastructure.
Recent explosions have added to the growing sense of paranoia within Iran, with the regime fearing it will be the target of a surprise military strike by Israel or the US.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8936797/Irans-Revolutionary-Guards-prepare-for-war.html
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Post by: Huffy
I'd be doing the same thing in their position....odds have it that Israel will try something
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Post by: Easy E
Shhhhh, what's that I hear?
It sounds like a lot of people rattling sabers.
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Post by: Rented Tritium
Yep. Doesn't mean they are or are not going to fight anyone, just means that LOOKING like they are is the right play for them right now.
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Post by: Jihadin
Shhhhh, what's that I hear?
It sounds like a lot of people rattling sabers.
The sound of a ground attack aircraft taking off hot and heavy means someone going to have a bad day. Since they're deploying units in areas that needs potecting.....B52 leaves a massive foot print....or a Fuel Air Bomb would pretty much sterilize the area. Still though...I don't blame them.
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Post by: Pyriel-
Damn, the iranian photoshoppers are put on high alert.
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Post by: Toastedandy
Pyriel- wrote:Damn, the iranian photoshoppers are put on high alert.
You really think that they faked the whole thing?
US officials admit that they lost control of a drone over the Iranian border, but didn't say if it was shot down or not.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose
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Post by: olympia
Did the Iranians ever get around to replacing the F4 Phantoms that the U.S. sold them in the 70s? Surely they must have one or two MIG 29s eh?
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Post by: AustonT
Huffy wrote:I'd be doing the same thing in their position....odds have it that Israel will try something
If by something you mean airstrikes sure, were I Israel I'd be more concerned about the situation brewing in Egypt...kind of hoping the Gyppos don't try to hit the Jews again, it probably will be bloody on both sides. the IDF be slippin
olympia wrote:Did the Iranians ever get around to replacing the F4 Phantoms that the U.S. sold them in the 70s? Surely they must have one or two MIG 29s eh?
I thought we were always more concerned about their F 14s; and IIRC Iraq mauled thier air force.
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Post by: Pacific
That was twenty-odd years ago now mind, they have had a long time to rebuild. And they actually make their own fighters and tanks (which should give some way of comparison between their and Iraq's military capability). Going on size and power of army, it was only the not inconsiderable monetary and military support the US and the UK gave to Iraq that stopped them getting steamrollered in the war with Iran.
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Post by: Rented Tritium
Toastedandy wrote:Pyriel- wrote:Damn, the iranian photoshoppers are put on high alert.
You really think that they faked the whole thing?
US officials admit that they lost control of a drone over the Iranian border, but didn't say if it was shot down or not.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose
Dude, the Iranians at least at one point said they shot it down with an ENERGY WEAPON.
Uh huh.
Suuuure.
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Post by: halonachos
Our officials are saying that it crashed and wasn't shot down.
"No seriously guys, I pointed my finger at the drone and said 'pew,pew'. I shot it down."
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Post by: CuddlySquig
His name is Jaafari? 
Hehehe...SoOn I wiLl cOnquER tHe WoRld anD UltimaTe poWer wIlL be MINE!
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Post by: Pyriel-
You really think that they faked the whole thing?
US officials admit that they lost control of a drone over the Iranian border, but didn't say if it was shot down or not.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose
Not really but they did fake the previous shooting down of a drone as well as became the laughing stock of the world over their photoshopped missiles.
Who´s the ignorant now?
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
Our officials are saying that it crashed and wasn't shot down.
"No seriously guys, I pointed my finger at the drone and said 'pew,pew'. I shot it down."
Chuck Norris made a career out of this.
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Post by: Jihadin
Next crazy thing they would probaly do is send some artillery rounds into western Afghanistan near/on one of our FoB's
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Post by: Frazzled
Probably. I'd be ok with an accidental bombing strike in response. If we're going to play Cold War shooting across the border accidents then lets play it.
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Post by: Jihadin
Be one sided though...we're much better in delivering ordinance 
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Post by: purplefood
Jihadin wrote:Be one sided though...we're much better in delivering ordinance
There's that guided artillery shell...
That'll put the hurt on most things...
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
Don't understand this rush to war. If we apply logical thinking, the Iranians aren't so stupid to want to nuke anybody. The consequences would be M.A.D
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Post by: Jihadin
Guided artillery shell for us is called a Copperhead. Need a laser designater for that. Insurgents do not have heavy artillery either. So can't blame them
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Post by: Hulksmash
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Don't understand this rush to war. If we apply logical thinking, the Iranians aren't so stupid to want to nuke anybody. The consequences would be M.A.D
History has shown over and over again that this doesn't matter when it comes to religion or power. It assumes everyone involved is rational which is pretty much the opposite of humans 
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Post by: Frazzled
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Don't understand this rush to war. If we apply logical thinking, the Iranians aren't so stupid to want to nuke anybody. The consequences would be M.A.D
They are acting rationally.
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
But, are our countries acting rationally?
Troops tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan
A Trillion dollars/pounds spent on fighting/rebuilding over 10 years
China getting stronger by the year.
Iran potentially disrupting oil exports from Saudi Arabia/Iraq at a time of global recession
And finally David Cameron presiding over a 'war' cabinet. I wouldn't trust this guy to lead my orcs and goblins into battle, never mind the UK armed forces!
Say what you want about the British Empire, at least they were honest: Boers have diamonds, we'll take them. Iran Has oil, thank you very much. The 13 colonies, you can only buy our tea. Mr Napoleon, we don't want your metric system
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Post by: Phototoxin
'Defensive' pre-emptive strike on Israel with nukes. I've always wanted to see what happens when the holy land goes up in smoke.
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Post by: Jihadin
I've always wanted to see what happens when the holy land goes up in smoke.
I want to comment so badly....
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Post by: Frazzled
Jihadin wrote: I've always wanted to see what happens when the holy land goes up in smoke.
I want to comment so badly....
Er these four guys appear? Their car must have broke down because they've been forced to resort to horses.
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Post by: Rented Tritium
I love the idea that china is a GROWING threat. Every day that goes by is another day that our economies have grown together like vines.
The more entrenched we get in each other's manufacturing/consuming, the LOWER the odds that we'll ever go to war.
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Post by: Pyriel-
History has shown over and over again that this doesn't matter when it comes to religion or power. It assumes everyone involved is rational which is pretty much the opposite of humans
North korea anyone?
I've always wanted to see what happens when the holy land goes up in smoke.
End of the ME as we know it.
Iran would be turned into a nice parking lot in return and so would probably syria.
Why would you want that to happen, are you sick?
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Post by: Joey
Rented Tritium wrote:I love the idea that china is a GROWING threat. Every day that goes by is another day that our economies have grown together like vines.
The more entrenched we get in each other's manufacturing/consuming, the LOWER the odds that we'll ever go to war.
True. Anyway the Chinese and the Indians hate each other far more than either of them hate the West, but Americans seem to think that the world is obsessed with them.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Don't understand this rush to war. If we apply logical thinking, the Iranians aren't so stupid to want to nuke anybody. The consequences would be M.A.D
The US Air Force could flatten Tehran in hours with conventional weaponry. No need for nukes at all.
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Post by: agnosto
And...Iran is reduced to being the North Korea of the Mid-East.
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Post by: Jihadin
And...Iran is reduced to being the North Korea of the Mid-East.
I cannot imagine the size the of a Walmart being put in afterwards...
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Post by: Rented Tritium
Joey wrote:True. Anyway the Chinese and the Indians hate each other far more than either of them hate the West, but Americans seem to think that the world is obsessed with them.
Right. The REAL risk with china is that we get stuck picking sides between 2 people we trade with.
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Post by: agnosto
Now, there's nothing wrong with a nice, big parking lot. Besides, if anyone does anything it'll be the Israelis who have already threatened to strike their nuke facilities IIRC so it'll be a humus factory.
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Post by: Jihadin
The bunker busters we sold to them is not enough. How much do you want to bet were actually going to find out how small a yeild of a nuclea bomb they have.
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Post by: LordofHats
Iran's military hardware is mostly circa 1980 equipment and composed off all the stuff the US and former USSR no longer wanted and sold them cheap.
Iran vs Western powers gets pile driven into ground. Their equipment is too outdated.
Their air force is mostly F-4's and F-14's. Their navy old Russian boats from the 60's and 70's. I think they have some subs that are newer.
Abrams tanks have already proven to be vastly superior to the Russian tanks of their own generation and Iran is still armed with large numbers of T-54 and T-62 tanks. It's like depleted uranium shells through tissue paper. They also have their own tank design but only a few hundred of them vs the US stock of around 3,000 Abrams tanks.
What Iran has put a lot of money into is ballistic missiles, but the capabilities are likely sub-par and not enough to really help them.
Troops tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan
Not really. The coalition force in Iraq isn't an issue now. Actually having troops in Afghanistan is actually a boon for the US as we don't have to negotiate to get back into the country later. A surge of troops into Afghanistan to support an attack on Iran would probably help Afghanistan's stability in the short term, but a war with Iran certainly won't (The same is true of troops in Iraq).
China getting stronger by the year.
"We condemn your actions and the attack on the "peaceful" [That's the Chinese spokesmen cringing at how stupid what he just said sounds] state of Iran."
That's what China will say and it'll be all they do.
Iran potentially disrupting oil exports from Saudi Arabia/Iraq at a time of global recession
The US Navy, which now still has enough tonnage to conquer every sea in the world, being defeated by a few gunboats and some old subramines? I doubt it. Iran doesn't have anyone on its side in this situation so no one will be helping them. The US can easily secure the straight. The only threat would be Iranian ballistic missiles, but we've seen the US navy go at Iran before and I've seen nothing to make me think we won't win that muscle match a second time.
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Post by: Jihadin
WAIT....did Iran ships make it to the Gulf of Mexico to start their patrols there?
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Post by: LordofHats
Jihadin wrote:WAIT....did Iran ships make it to the Gulf of Mexico to start their patrols there?
I'm talking about Operation Praying Mantis which isn't even the first time the US Navy went in and kicked Iran around a little.
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Post by: Jihadin
The Iranian navy plans to move naval vessels out of the Persian Gulf and into the Atlantic Ocean, "near maritime borders of the United States," the Tehran Times reported Tuesday.
According to the English-language paper based in Tehran, the announcement came from a top Iranian naval officer on Tuesday.
“As the global arrogance (forces of imperialism) have a (military) presence near our sea borders, we also plan to have a strong presence near the U.S. sea borders with the help of the soldiers who are loyal to the vali-e faqih (supreme jurisprudent),” said Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari, as quoted and paraphrased by the Tehran Times.
"We've been pushing freedom of the seas for years and the Iranian navy can go wherever it wants," said Pentagon Spokesman Capt. John Kirby.
Iranians might face a challenge in refueling its fleet. Some in the Pentagon have speculated it could gas up in Venezuela, whose President, Hugo Chavez, is known to have a close relationship with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The Iranians gave no indication of when or what kind of vessels they might deploy, but the announced plan comes just months after Iran sent warships through the Suez following the fall of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. It was the first time Iran had moved ships into the Mediterranean and the move put Israel on high alert.
The naval unit plans to establish direct contact with the U.S. when it hits the Gulf of Mexico, a commander in the Iranian navy said. Officials in the Pentagon strongly denied any planned port visits by the Iranians.
One senior official echoed Capt. Kirby in saying that Iran has the pleasure of moving wherever it desires in international waters. But with known intent to approach U.S. maritime borders, he added, "they might have some company."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/27/iranian-navy-plans-to-send-ships-near-us-waters/#ixzz1fmYY2kSy
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Post by: Rented Tritium
What are the iranian naval capabilities like? Do we have anyone here who knows about that?
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Post by: Jihadin
Moving Targets?
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Post by: Frazzled
Rented Tritium wrote:What are the iranian naval capabilities like? Do we have anyone here who knows about that?
Texas has a battleship. Time to crank her up and take for a test drive...
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Post by: Jihadin
Frazz...you crank her up and go for a test drive and saying you be back at 11 is not going to happen...I will call you a straight out liar...and flip heads or tails on driving first.
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Post by: Joey
Jihadin wrote:The Iranian navy plans to move naval vessels out of the Persian Gulf and into the Atlantic Ocean, "near maritime borders of the United States," the Tehran Times reported Tuesday.
According to the English-language paper based in Tehran, the announcement came from a top Iranian naval officer on Tuesday.
“As the global arrogance (forces of imperialism) have a (military) presence near our sea borders, we also plan to have a strong presence near the U.S. sea borders with the help of the soldiers who are loyal to the vali-e faqih (supreme jurisprudent),” said Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari, as quoted and paraphrased by the Tehran Times.
"We've been pushing freedom of the seas for years and the Iranian navy can go wherever it wants," said Pentagon Spokesman Capt. John Kirby.
Iranians might face a challenge in refueling its fleet. Some in the Pentagon have speculated it could gas up in Venezuela, whose President, Hugo Chavez, is known to have a close relationship with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The Iranians gave no indication of when or what kind of vessels they might deploy, but the announced plan comes just months after Iran sent warships through the Suez following the fall of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. It was the first time Iran had moved ships into the Mediterranean and the move put Israel on high alert.
The naval unit plans to establish direct contact with the U.S. when it hits the Gulf of Mexico, a commander in the Iranian navy said. Officials in the Pentagon strongly denied any planned port visits by the Iranians.
One senior official echoed Capt. Kirby in saying that Iran has the pleasure of moving wherever it desires in international waters. But with known intent to approach U.S. maritime borders, he added, "they might have some company."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/27/iranian-navy-plans-to-send-ships-near-us-waters/#ixzz1fmYY2kSy
If that's true then the Iranians are really mental. Do they not have wikipedia? The United States could and would blow them out of the water before they got any where near the coast.
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Post by: Frazzled
Jihadin wrote:Frazz...you crank her up and go for a test drive and saying you be back at 11 is not going to happen...I will call you a straight out liar...and flip heads or tails on driving first.
It will take awhile. I mean uploading all the chips, queso, and wiener dogchow is going to take a week alone. Then of course I'd have to upgun the battleship with the household armory. Figure, early January. Just gonna take her for a spin..no reason...
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Post by: Jihadin
Think they would get lost in the Bermuda Triangle.
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Post by: Pyriel-
What are the iranian naval capabilities like? Do we have anyone here who knows about that?
Basically a lot of mopeds and motorboats.
In a military confrontation they will be wasted after their initial missile shooting, that is unless the US airforce doesnt do a preemptive strike and destroy their missiles.
Here is all you need to know about irans military and how it would hold up, pretty damn serious source:
http://csis.org/files/publication/111102_Iran_Gulf_Military_Balance.pdf
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
I have to be careful what I say here, but maybe some people are missing the point. It makes no difference about the perceived superiority of the USA or the inferiority of Iran, but why the rush to fight? Sometimes I think people can be a bit gung-ho on this site sometimes, but that is their perogative.
I barely mention my past, but it's no fun when the bullets are whizzing past you, and you're standing beside what used to be a living breathing person...
At the risk of sounding like John Lennon, let's give peace a chance. I realise that dakka has no influence and that most people are are either a) spotty geeks or b) frazz
and thus unable to influence world events, but it's nearly christmas. Peace and good will to all men (and women)
Let's prove the Mayans wrong about 2012
rant over.
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Post by: Jihadin
barely mention my past, but it's no fun when the bullets are whizzing past you, and you're standing beside what used to be a living breathing person...
not something you want to experience for yourself
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Post by: Joey
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I have to be careful what I say here, but maybe some people are missing the point. It makes no difference about the perceived superiority of the USA or the inferiority of Iran, but why the rush to fight? Sometimes I think people can be a bit gung-ho on this site sometimes, but that is their perogative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
Fight or die.
Our culture, our language and our way of life depend on our willingness to kill others.
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Post by: LordofHats
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:At the risk of sounding like John Lennon, let's give peace a chance.
I could convert myself to a pacifist, but that won't change the reality of the situation. The idea that there is anyone who doesn't like peace is a little silly. Of course people want peace. Problem is that Iran and the US have been going at each other on and off for about 30 years, and Israel got started lot long after that. The mutual antagonism is a sort of force that almost drives itself once it gets started in terms of international politics. There comes a point where stopping it ceases to be possible (I don't think we're there yet mind you).
The situation with Iran right now could still boil over and nothing might happen.
Let's prove the Mayans wrong about 2012
Or we can prove them right and issues like Country A goes to war with Country B cease to be an issue 
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Post by: Hulksmash
Pyriel- wrote:History has shown over and over again that this doesn't matter when it comes to religion or power. It assumes everyone involved is rational which is pretty much the opposite of humans
North korea anyone?
North Korea is a poor example. The evolution of where they are at is due more to the fact that they managed the build-ups prior to the more current level of technology. They've been able to do incredible damage to the capital of South Korea with literally seconds notice for decades and there isn't a current techonology that can prevent it. Iran doesn't have this ability so it's a different situation.
And as crazy as N. Korea's leadership is it's not a religious kind of crazy. Which also makes a difference.
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Post by: dogma
LordofHats wrote:Of course people want peace.
Maybe in general they are fond of the concept of peace, but the reality is that its more a case of "A type of peace that I like." than simply peace. Death is very peaceful, after all. That's a heavy-handed way of making the point, but it captures the essence of why conflicts often "end" in violence. Just look at the Israel-Palestine issue. Both sides ostensibly want peace, but only if its a sort of peace that they dictate, or at least have a significant say over.
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Post by: Pacific
Rather than start another 'war with Iran' thread, thought I would post a link to this news here.
'Bomb Kills Iran Nuclear Director'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/bomb-kills-iranian-nuclear-director-6287962.html
An Iranian university professor working at a key nuclear facility was killed today by a car bomb, a semi-official news agency reported.
The explosion killed Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a chemistry expert and a director of the Natanz uranium enrichment facility in central Iran, the Fars agency said.
Two assailants on a motorcycle attached magnetic bombs to Mr Roshan's car, killing him and wounding two others in the Iranian capital.
The attack in Tehran strongly resembles earlier killings of scientists working on the country's controversial nuclear programme.
The killing of Mr Roshan was similar to previous assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists that Tehran has blamed on Israel and the United States. Both countries have denied the accusations.
Mr Roshan, 32, was inside the Iranian-assembled Peugeot 405 car with two others when the bomb exploded near Gol Nabi Street in north Tehran, Fars said.
Fars described the explosion as a "terrorist attack" targeting Mr Roshan, a graduate of the prestigious Sharif University of Technology in Tehran.
A similar bomb explosion on January 12, 2010 killed Tehran University professor Masoud Ali Mohammadi, a senior physics professor. He was killed when a bomb-rigged motorcycle exploded near his car as he was about to leave for work.
In November 2010, a pair of back-to-back bomb attacks in different parts of the capital killed one nuclear scientist and wounded another.
The scientist killed in those attacks, Majid Shahriari, was a member of the nuclear engineering faculty at Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran and co-operated with the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran. The wounded scientist, Fereidoun Abbasi, was almost immediately appointed head of Iran's atomic agency.
In July last year, motorcycle-riding gunmen killed Darioush Rezaeinejad, an electronics student. Other reports identified him as a scientist involved in suspected Iranian attempts to make nuclear weapons.
Mr Rezaeinejad allegedly participated in developing high-voltage switches, a key component in setting off the explosions needed to trigger a nuclear warhead.
The United States and other countries say Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons technology. Iran denies the allegations, saying that its programme is intended for peaceful purposes.
So I'm guessing either Mossad, the CIA or Street Hawk?
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Post by: Medium of Death
Killing professors and scientists, in the middle of crowded cities, with bombs.
Stay classy, whoever you are...
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. They haven't even revealed their most devastating weapon yet...
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Post by: Relapse
[quote=Joey
True. Anyway the Chinese and the Indians hate each other far more than either of them hate the West, but Americans seem to think that the world is obsessed with them.
The US Air Force could flatten Tehran in hours with conventional weaponry. No need for nukes at all.
Maybe because we always seem to be talked about. A minor case in point is how many threads on Dakka start out with America being mentioned. As far as I know in world news as in other countries news groups, the U.S is always getting mentioned.
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Post by: purplefood
Shame about that scientist fellow getting rinsed...
Might it not be a 3rd party trying to create tension between Iran and the US?
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Post by: Lone Cat
so Did iran believes that the U.S. will mount a rescue oprations to anyone the Holy Iranian Inquisition will comdemn as a dangerous heretic?
and they lost faith in diplomacy and feels like Russia and China won't back them anymore. right?
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Post by: Frazzled
purplefood wrote:Shame about that scientist fellow getting rinsed...
Might it not be a 3rd party trying to create tension between Iran and the US?
Why is it a shame?
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Post by: shadowsnip
Well if this is true I'll be off to Iran to get shot at by a bunch dubi dubi doo's.
Kinda scared but at the same time excited, i just don't want a nuke to drop on my head.
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Post by: Melissia
Jihadin wrote:The Iranian navy plans to move naval vessels out of the Persian Gulf and into the Atlantic Ocean, "near maritime borders of the United States," the Tehran Times reported Tuesday.
This is a US Navy victory waiting to happen.
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Post by: Frazzled
Melissia wrote:Jihadin wrote:The Iranian navy plans to move naval vessels out of the Persian Gulf and into the Atlantic Ocean, "near maritime borders of the United States," the Tehran Times reported Tuesday.
This is a US Navy victory waiting to happen.
Not needed. We have rednecks with shotguns and bassboats standing by. With the technological advantage of...outboard motors, our borders are fully secure.
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Post by: AustonT
Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:Shame about that scientist fellow getting rinsed...
Might it not be a 3rd party trying to create tension between Iran and the US?
Why is it a shame?
I think he was being facetious.
Melissia wrote:Jihadin wrote:The Iranian navy plans to move naval vessels out of the Persian Gulf and into the Atlantic Ocean, "near maritime borders of the United States," the Tehran Times reported Tuesday.
This is a US Navy victory waiting to happen.
Who needs the US navy this is clearly a job for the Texas Department of Public Safety's new Highway Patrol Tactical Marine Unit. 
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Post by: purplefood
AustonT wrote:Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:Shame about that scientist fellow getting rinsed...
Might it not be a 3rd party trying to create tension between Iran and the US?
Why is it a shame?
I think he was being facetious.
I wasn't. Humans dying is rarely a good thing. It's a shame someone felt the need to kill him and a further shame as to why they felt the need to kill him...
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Post by: frgsinwntr
operation praying mantis... take 2
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Post by: Frazzled
purplefood wrote:AustonT wrote:Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:Shame about that scientist fellow getting rinsed...
Might it not be a 3rd party trying to create tension between Iran and the US?
Why is it a shame?
I think he was being facetious.
I wasn't.
Humans dying is never a good thing.
It's a shame someone felt the need to kill him and a further shame as to why they felt the need to kill him...
Wait what? Blasting Stalin would have been a bad thing? Blasting Pol Pot a bad thing? How about Ted Bundy?
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Post by: purplefood
Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:AustonT wrote:Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:Shame about that scientist fellow getting rinsed...
Might it not be a 3rd party trying to create tension between Iran and the US?
Why is it a shame?
I think he was being facetious.
I wasn't.
Humans dying is never a good thing.
It's a shame someone felt the need to kill him and a further shame as to why they felt the need to kill him...
Wait what? Blasting Stalin would have been a bad thing? Blasting Pol Pot a bad thing? How about Ted Bundy?
In fairness those are some fairly extreme examples.
I shall amend it to 'Humans dying is rarely a good thing' Happy?
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Well men.... We're goin' to war.
This will be over soon. I'll give it two months before they surrender.
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Post by: Melissia
AustonT wrote:Who needs the US navy this is clearly a job for the Texas Department of Public Safety's new Highway Patrol Tactical Marine Unit.
You guys know the navy won't let civvies take the glory.
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Post by: AustonT
Melissia wrote:AustonT wrote:Who needs the US navy this is clearly a job for the Texas Department of Public Safety's new Highway Patrol Tactical Marine Unit.
You guys know the navy won't let civvies take the glory.
I just think TXDPS spending $600,000 on one boat and saying they will buy 12 of them is ridiculous and have been waiting for the right time to unleash it...it seemed to fit this one. Considering OMB is threatening to take the Coast Guards cutters away...stupid. It would probably be the CG not the navy that got the first shots in BTW.
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Post by: Frazzled
purplefood wrote:Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:AustonT wrote:Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:Shame about that scientist fellow getting rinsed...
Might it not be a 3rd party trying to create tension between Iran and the US?
Why is it a shame?
I think he was being facetious.
I wasn't.
Humans dying is never a good thing.
It's a shame someone felt the need to kill him and a further shame as to why they felt the need to kill him...
Wait what? Blasting Stalin would have been a bad thing? Blasting Pol Pot a bad thing? How about Ted Bundy?
In fairness those are some fairly extreme examples.
I shall amend it to 'Humans dying is rarely a good thing' Happy?
The wannabee Christian part agrees. The Frazzled disagrees.
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Post by: AustonT
I'm sure the Japanese would have seen rubbing out Oppenhiemer as a win too, probably a bunch of apologists too.
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Post by: Lone Cat
Samus_aran115 wrote:Well men.... We're goin' to war.
This will be over soon. I'll give it two months before they surrender.
or Russia and China will join the fray as an active combatant, helping their vasssal. the Holy Iran.
?? will the two dares??
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Post by: AustonT
Lone Cat wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:Well men.... We're goin' to war.
This will be over soon. I'll give it two months before they surrender.
or Russia and China will join the fray as an active combatant, helping their vasssal. the Holy Iran.
?? will the two dares??
...bwahahaha. You are such a joker Lone Cat.
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Post by: Frazzled
Lone Cat wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:Well men.... We're goin' to war.
This will be over soon. I'll give it two months before they surrender.
or Russia and China will join the fray as an active combatant, helping their vasssal. the Holy Iran.
?? will the two dares??
Its not in their interest to do that. If there is combat it means Iran has shut off the Gulf. China needs that oil even more than we do.
Russia no, but Russia has no interest in a playing the exciting game of Global Thermonuclear War over Iran.
Frankly I don't get the brinkmanship. Odds increase dramatically of it getting out of hand for Iran if they try to shut the Gulf. Is the regime going to maintain power after their navy is now their involutnary submarine fleet? If they start lobbing missiles (likely) we'll start shooting those sights. How does it positively impact the regime's ability to stay in power to have the guys who are frankly what 5-0 in air wars going for #6?
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Post by: Lone Cat
so you say that Iran is not a vassal to Russia or China?
hey c'mon. the Holy Iran openly declares themself a bane to U.S.A. and their acquaintances. but never says that Russia or China being a bane. instead the The Holy 'Church' of Iran has a high opinions towards the eastern bloc, that might imply that Iran may be a vassal to either China or Russia. or both!
i believe that they're so desparetely needs to eliminate anyone who deemed as 'vile heretic, heathen, devil worshippers, the unholy nations'. but in order to acheve that. they need anyone with a likemind to fight with them.
Initially Gaddhafi was an active advocate to this 'Holy Nation' and wants the whole Palevi clan being guillotined (by the Iranian Inquisiton), but soon the Holy Iran and Shia muslims turned against him. due to an incident during the 80s. by then. Iran felt they need someone more trustworthy to help them fight in the upcoming crusade.
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Post by: purplefood
Lone Cat wrote:so you say that Iran is not a vassal to Russia or China?
hey c'mon. the Holy Iran openly declares themself a bane to U.S.A. and their acquaintances. but never says that Russia or China being a bane. instead the The Holy 'Church' of Iran has a high opinions towards the eastern bloc, that might imply that Iran may be a vassal to either China or Russia. or both!
i believe that they're so desparetely needs to eliminate anyone who deemed as 'vile heretic, heathen, devil worshippers, the unholy nations'. but in order to acheve that. they need anyone with a likemind to fight with them.
Initially Gaddhafi was an active advocate to this 'Holy Nation' and wants the whole Palevi clan being guillotined (by the Iranian Inquisiton), but soon the Holy Iran and Shia muslims turned against him. due to an incident during the 80s. by then. Iran felt they need someone more trustworthy to help them fight in the upcoming crusade.
I'm not sure where you get your information but a lot of it is sounding like... well the technical term is crazy talk.
Russia has no reason to start a war with the US as far as i'm aware.
China could probably find reasons but frankly why would they bother? Apart from the Korean war they have shown fairly little aggressive behaviour towards any western state, they have become more open than they used to be... though not by massive amounts.
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Post by: Lone Cat
Both China and Russia are rivals to the U.S. of America.
if both superpowers see nothing good fighting war on behalf of this aggressive vassallage. what else will the two do to help Iran? (or to prevent the bloodshed while they can) or won't they help?
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Post by: purplefood
You could feasibly say that India is also a rival to the Us.
You could also say that in some cases the UK is as well.
Maybe even the EU in some cases...
I don't know why you seem to have a fervent belief that Iran is a vassal of China and/or Russia...
They may have been a tool in a proxy war at one point but AFAIK they aren't anymore.
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Post by: Lone Cat
at which point do Russia and China stop using Iran as their avatars?
If you say that Russia and China needs Iranian oil, then they'll do anything to prevent the invasion so they can keep those rigs to work for them. surely China and Russia won't suck those oils for free. if money is not the only things China and Russia gave to Iran in exchange of oil. what else? and will it include 'protection' ?
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Post by: Frazzled
purplefood wrote:Lone Cat wrote:so you say that Iran is not a vassal to Russia or China?
hey c'mon. the Holy Iran openly declares themself a bane to U.S.A. and their acquaintances. but never says that Russia or China being a bane. instead the The Holy 'Church' of Iran has a high opinions towards the eastern bloc, that might imply that Iran may be a vassal to either China or Russia. or both!
i believe that they're so desparetely needs to eliminate anyone who deemed as 'vile heretic, heathen, devil worshippers, the unholy nations'. but in order to acheve that. they need anyone with a likemind to fight with them.
Initially Gaddhafi was an active advocate to this 'Holy Nation' and wants the whole Palevi clan being guillotined (by the Iranian Inquisiton), but soon the Holy Iran and Shia muslims turned against him. due to an incident during the 80s. by then. Iran felt they need someone more trustworthy to help them fight in the upcoming crusade.
I'm not sure where you get your information but a lot of it is sounding like... well the technical term is crazy talk.
Russia has no reason to start a war with the US as far as i'm aware.
China could probably find reasons but frankly why would they bother? Apart from the Korean war they have shown fairly little aggressive behaviour towards any western state, they have become more open than they used to be... though not by massive amounts.
Its not crazy, I think just a 2nd language version of English. Substitute "client state" for "vassal" and its a better discussion.
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Post by: purplefood
Frazzled wrote:purplefood wrote:Lone Cat wrote:so you say that Iran is not a vassal to Russia or China?
hey c'mon. the Holy Iran openly declares themself a bane to U.S.A. and their acquaintances. but never says that Russia or China being a bane. instead the The Holy 'Church' of Iran has a high opinions towards the eastern bloc, that might imply that Iran may be a vassal to either China or Russia. or both!
i believe that they're so desparetely needs to eliminate anyone who deemed as 'vile heretic, heathen, devil worshippers, the unholy nations'. but in order to acheve that. they need anyone with a likemind to fight with them.
Initially Gaddhafi was an active advocate to this 'Holy Nation' and wants the whole Palevi clan being guillotined (by the Iranian Inquisiton), but soon the Holy Iran and Shia muslims turned against him. due to an incident during the 80s. by then. Iran felt they need someone more trustworthy to help them fight in the upcoming crusade.
I'm not sure where you get your information but a lot of it is sounding like... well the technical term is crazy talk.
Russia has no reason to start a war with the US as far as i'm aware.
China could probably find reasons but frankly why would they bother? Apart from the Korean war they have shown fairly little aggressive behaviour towards any western state, they have become more open than they used to be... though not by massive amounts.
Its not crazy, I think just a 2nd language version of English. Substitute "client state" for "vassal" and its a better discussion.
It's a more sensible discussion but i'm still not convinced...
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Post by: Henners91
'Prepares for war' is rather sensationalist.
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Post by: Mr Hyena
the Iranians aren't so stupid to want to nuke anybody.
The same country that said the Holocaust was a 'lie'?
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Post by: AustonT
Mr Hyena wrote:the Iranians aren't so stupid to want to nuke anybody.
The same country that said the Holocaust was a 'lie'?
Wasn't it? It's not like there's any irrefutable proof that the Holocaust happened. 
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Post by: Andrew1975
Russian won't do anyting. They really have no rea skin in the game.
China? Really, the economic meltdown caused by a US China confrontation cuts both ways.
Iran won't shut the gulf down either. Economically it would impact them far worse than the sanctions have and get them bombed to boot.
There is nothing to see here but Saber Rattling.
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Post by: Muhr
Pacific wrote:Rather than start another 'war with Iran' thread, thought I would post a link to this news here.
'Bomb Kills Iran Nuclear Director'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/bomb-kills-iranian-nuclear-director-6287962.html
An Iranian university professor working at a key nuclear facility was killed today by a car bomb, a semi-official news agency reported.
The explosion killed Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a chemistry expert and a director of the Natanz uranium enrichment facility in central Iran, the Fars agency said.
Two assailants on a motorcycle attached magnetic bombs to Mr Roshan's car, killing him and wounding two others in the Iranian capital.
The attack in Tehran strongly resembles earlier killings of scientists working on the country's controversial nuclear programme.
The killing of Mr Roshan was similar to previous assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists that Tehran has blamed on Israel and the United States. Both countries have denied the accusations.
Mr Roshan, 32, was inside the Iranian-assembled Peugeot 405 car with two others when the bomb exploded near Gol Nabi Street in north Tehran, Fars said.
Fars described the explosion as a "terrorist attack" targeting Mr Roshan, a graduate of the prestigious Sharif University of Technology in Tehran.
A similar bomb explosion on January 12, 2010 killed Tehran University professor Masoud Ali Mohammadi, a senior physics professor. He was killed when a bomb-rigged motorcycle exploded near his car as he was about to leave for work.
In November 2010, a pair of back-to-back bomb attacks in different parts of the capital killed one nuclear scientist and wounded another.
The scientist killed in those attacks, Majid Shahriari, was a member of the nuclear engineering faculty at Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran and co-operated with the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran. The wounded scientist, Fereidoun Abbasi, was almost immediately appointed head of Iran's atomic agency.
In July last year, motorcycle-riding gunmen killed Darioush Rezaeinejad, an electronics student. Other reports identified him as a scientist involved in suspected Iranian attempts to make nuclear weapons.
Mr Rezaeinejad allegedly participated in developing high-voltage switches, a key component in setting off the explosions needed to trigger a nuclear warhead.
The United States and other countries say Iran is trying to develop nuclear weapons technology. Iran denies the allegations, saying that its programme is intended for peaceful purposes.
So I'm guessing either Mossad, the CIA or Street Hawk?
My bet would be Israel's Caesarea squad. They're an elite within an already elite Mossad. The selection criiteria for Mossad is so stringent that only 1 in every 1000 receive an employment offer so it may come as a surprise to learn that, within this already elite group, only one candidate in 100 will make a Caesarea operative. They are a special operations hit squad tasked with the elimination of commanders, controllers and financiers of Israel's enemies abroad. The Caesarea mission statement is very simple: what they can't kill, they close down.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Lone Cat wrote:Samus_aran115 wrote:Well men.... We're goin' to war.
This will be over soon. I'll give it two months before they surrender.
or Russia and China will join the fray as an active combatant, helping their vasssal. the Holy Iran.
?? will the two dares??
Doubt it. They have nothing to gain by helping iran throw a pity party.
Iran is backed into a corner, with enemies on all sides of them. They have nothing to gain and their entire country to lose. Picking a fight with the united states is a foolhardy move. They'll regret it. No one will come to their aid.
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Post by: AustonT
Maybe if they agree to become a Jewish theocracy Israel will back them as thier fuedal lords.
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Post by: halonachos
Russia is mostly a superjoke instead of a superpower in current times, let's not forget that they are having protests against a leader who has been fixing votes, figure someone from the KGB being underhanded, and China itself is tied to us economically. We cut off their exports and it hurts both of us, they lose industry and we lose product. The biggest difference is that we're good at producing things ourselves when we need to, but they don't have the resources.
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Post by: Ravenous D
Rented Tritium wrote:Toastedandy wrote:Pyriel- wrote:Damn, the iranian photoshoppers are put on high alert.
You really think that they faked the whole thing?
US officials admit that they lost control of a drone over the Iranian border, but didn't say if it was shot down or not.
Ignorance is bliss I suppose
Dude, the Iranians at least at one point said they shot it down with an ENERGY WEAPON.
Uh huh.
Suuuure.
Dont tell that to the history channel, I dont want to see a special about Iranian Aliens....
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Post by: dogma
halonachos wrote:The biggest difference is that we're good at producing things ourselves when we need to, but they don't have the resources.
The biggest difference is that China is an autocracy, and has gotten away with shooting lots of its own people in recent history.
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Post by: halonachos
And we imprisoned thousands of our own citizens just because of how they looked and where they were from just because their home country attacked us. The detention of Japanese-Americans was well tolerated after Pearl Harbor and although more people spoke out against racial profiling of Muslim Americans, there was still many who accepted it after 9/11.
Sure we don't shoot people out of the blue, but they haven't shot and killed Ai Wei Wei yet thanks to international pressure. He hasn't even disappeared from the public eye.
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Post by: dogma
halonachos wrote:And we imprisoned thousands of our own citizens just because of how they looked and where they were from just because their home country attacked us. The detention of Japanese-Americans was well tolerated after Pearl Harbor and although more people spoke out against racial profiling of Muslim Americans, there was still many who accepted it after 9/11.
Sure we don't shoot people out of the blue, but they haven't shot and killed Ai Wei Wei yet thanks to international pressure. He hasn't even disappeared from the public eye.
Are you really attempting to argue that there is not a significant difference between the ability of the Chinese state to manipulate its people, and the ability of the American state to manipulate its people?
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Post by: Pacific
Well it's done in a different way but you could remark that the end result (of having a control over the minds of the population) is remarkably similar. The difference being that China I think will gradually come round to the Western ways, away from the controlled economy and authoritarianism, seen previously in Japan and South Korea, as the middle class grows and the country pushes itself towards first world status. Is it a 'Gramscian Hegemony'? I can't remember the exact name, essentially it means that you convince everyone of their freedom, their rights and potential within the political system, but in reality for the average plebeian the opportunities presented to 99% of the population are remarkably similar regardless of the label given to the political structure that rules that country.
Regarding comments above however that it's in China's interests to square off against the US. Well, I think they are making far too much money at the moment for something like that to be a sensible option. Unless you are speaking in some kind of metaphorical sense, with Chinese military transports dropping flat screen TVs and sports-wear over mainland America.
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