This just goes to show that someone need to take a real look at the obesity issue. I remember I was smoking on an outdoor patio clearly labeled "smoking section" when some fat lady said very rudely told me that she was trying to eat here. My response was "Maybe you shouldn't".
Not that smoking is good for you, but obesity costs this country much more than smoking and I don't see any warning signs on twinkies or outrageous taxes on big macs.
Andrew1975 wrote:This just goes to show that someone need to take a real look at the obesity issue. I remember I was smoking on an outdoor patio clearly labeled "smoking section" when some fat lady said very rudely told me that she was trying to eat here. My response was "Maybe you shouldn't".
Not that smoking is good for you, but obesity costs this country much more than smoking and I don't see any warning signs on twinkies or outrageous taxes on big macs.
Yup.
I don't smoke either, but have found it amusing some people with very unhealthy life practices, in this case obesity, call out smokers on being unhealthy and disgusting. My first year of college my friend... rmmm class mate? was smoking 30 feet or so from the building (the required distance to smoke) and there was a obese girl sitting on a bench about 10 yards away, she went up to him and told him his smoking was bothering her health.
He responded saying It's not your additions 120+ pounds of fat or the fact the school is off a high way with thousands of cars driving by?
Saw this on the cover of MSN there is always one of these at least once or twice a year.
My current place of residence made it to number 2!
good job Binghamton!
Anyone ever notice when they do these articles they always show images of fat butts?
That can't be right-your 5 Guys burger shack doesn't serve enough fries in their portions to make it the fattest city I kid-I love 5 guys fries. Coincidentally, I live an hour east of you-I went to Binghamton for college, hobby supplies, and of course, 5 guys
Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.
But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/
Experiment 626 wrote:Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.
But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/
I can honestly say that nothing on that list even looks remotely appetizing.
Saw this on the cover of MSN there is always one of these at least once or twice a year.
My current place of residence made it to number 2!
good job Binghamton!
Anyone ever notice when they do these articles they always show images of fat butts?
That can't be right-your 5 Guys burger shack doesn't serve enough fries in their portions to make it the fattest city I kid-I love 5 guys fries. Coincidentally, I live an hour east of you-I went to Binghamton for college, hobby supplies, and of course, 5 guys
I went to BU too
small world!
I never been to 5 guys
Though I've been trying to eat healthy recently. Heart attacks plague the make side of my family. But every now and then I do pig out. Like bacon pizza.
That melt sandwich is from Cleveland. It's not a regular menu item, but one of those contest foods designed more as a marketing gimmick. Some of my friends own that place, and while the food is delicious you really shouldn't eat there more than once a month. There is about a stick of butter melted into each piece of bread, its really good, but be warned, it is not good for you.
Andrew1975 wrote:That melt sandwich is from Cleveland. It's not a regular menu item, but one of those contest foods designed more as a marketing gimmick. Some of my friends own that place, and while the food is delicious you really shouldn't eat there more than once a month. There is about a stick of butter melted into each piece of bread, its really good, but be warned, it is not good for you.
While I admit that I care more for taste than health in food (I can always jog it off after all), that makes me feel like throwing up a little. It doesn't look either tasty OR healthy.
Andrew1975 wrote:This just goes to show that someone need to take a real look at the obesity issue. I remember I was smoking on an outdoor patio clearly labeled "smoking section" when some fat lady said very rudely told me that she was trying to eat here. My response was "Maybe you shouldn't".
Not that smoking is good for you, but obesity costs this country much more than smoking and I don't see any warning signs on twinkies or outrageous taxes on big macs.
While I agree that obesity is as much of a health problem it's a floored parallel. I can stand by fat person eating a big mac without having to suffer their stinking habit myself.
You gotta wonder why obesity is rampant in some countrys but not so much in others. I mean, the food in the UK is pretty fattening on the whole, and while the UK has an obesity problem, it's not as bad as the US by a long ways. Ireland seems to run on beer and fried breakfasts, but again, while we're one of the worst in Europe for obesity and heart disease, not as bad as the US.
Da Boss wrote:Man, some of the food on that thing...
You gotta wonder why obesity is rampant in some countrys but not so much in others. I mean, the food in the UK is pretty fattening on the whole, and while the UK has an obesity problem, it's not as bad as the US by a long ways. Ireland seems to run on beer and fried breakfasts, but again, while we're one of the worst in Europe for obesity and heart disease, not as bad as the US.
A lot of it is food costs and portioning. I can get a large deep dish cheese from Giordano's for ~20 USD. This pizza has 8 slices, each slice is 550 calories. They claim the pizza serves 3-4 people. Its basically 2 days of food for 1 person, so about 10 USD per day for what is, essentially, a near luxury food.
When I was in Spain it cost me about 30 USD per day to get ~2000 calories per day with food of similar quality.
That said, I think the bigger issue is just the way different nations look at being fat. No major nation I know of likes it, but some of them seem largely indifferent to it. I imagine that climate plays a significant role, as do the nature of traditional foods. For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy, as are most traditional Spanish foods.
Andrew1975 wrote:This just goes to show that someone need to take a real look at the obesity issue. I remember I was smoking on an outdoor patio clearly labeled "smoking section" when some fat lady said very rudely told me that she was trying to eat here. My response was "Maybe you shouldn't".
Not that smoking is good for you, but obesity costs this country much more than smoking and I don't see any warning signs on twinkies or outrageous taxes on big macs.
While I agree that obesity is as much of a health problem it's a floored parallel. I can stand by fat person eating a big mac without having to suffer their stinking habit myself.
Yes but your health care costs are largely affected by that obese person chowing down on and feeding that crap to their kids three meals a day. Rarely in the US anyway are you forced to endure my cigarette smoke. As a bar owner I personally love the no smoking rules for inclosed spaces. My eyes don't burn anymore. Eating and drinking until obesity is almost celebrated as a right in this country. I'd be happy with an ad campaign that just told people to drink water once in a while instead of soda or sweat tea. I swear there are people who have not had a glass of water in years. I'm not a health nut, but some people just make me sick to look at. My wife is a barriatric surgeon, there are people that loose the weight and put it right back on in a few years because they restretch their stomachs and drink soda all day.
As a smoker I pay a larger insurance premium, huge taxes, and have to endure all the anti smoking marketing. Obese asses just mow on big macs until I have to pay for their scooters and give them handicap parking spaces. If you look at the costs, obesity costs the average person much more that smokers.
I'm subjected to obese peoples problems all the time. Have you ever had to sit next to these people on an airplane or bus? They bubble over into your seat, and talk about stink! There should be warnings on bad food just like there are on smokes. If they want to put pictures of black lungs on packs of smokes there should be a picture of a 500lb person on every can of soda, chip bag and fast food wrapper.
A lot of it is food costs and portioning. I can get a large deep dish cheese from Giordano's for ~20 USD. This pizza has 8 slices, each slice is 550 calories. They claim the pizza serves 3-4 people. Its basically 2 days of food for 1 person, so about 10 USD per day for what is, essentially, a near luxury food.
When I was in Spain it cost me about 30 USD per day to get ~2000 calories per day with food of similar quality.
That said, I think the bigger issue is just the way different nations look at being fat. No major nation I know of likes it, but some of them seem largely indifferent to it. I imagine that climate plays a significant role, as do the nature of traditional foods. For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy, as are most traditional Spanish foods.
This is absolutely true. It's cheap and easy to eat like crap in the US. What is difficult is getting healthy food at a good price and cooking it at home. It takes time, effort and skill to make a good home cooked meal. It's totally worth it if you do though. I love to have fast food once in a while, in fact I just had to try 1 Doritos locos taco yesterday.....1. Not 5.
dogma wrote:For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy
I dunno if I'd mention Japan here. Japan, as a culture, is incredibly screwed up. "You're one pound over the standard weight (even if that pound is because of muscle), YOU ARE FAT AND EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IS CAUSED BY YOU BEING HORRENDOUSLY OVERWEIGHT!"
Experiment 626 wrote:Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.
But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/
I can honestly say that nothing on that list even looks remotely appetizing.
The Guinness chocolate pudding sounded pretty good.
DIDM wrote:I'll take a #6 extra super sized with two dollar burgers, a crispy chicken, 4 ranch cups and A DIET COKE
like diet coke is actually any better for you
That's something I completely and totally loathe; I need to be HEALTHY! but I love my pop. I'm going to drink a 12 can pack of soda daily, but it's ok, it's Diet!
Melissia wrote:Right, ti's not like obese people are shoving burgers down our throats. But smokers ARE blowing smoke down our lungs.
Darker than Black taught me that second hand smoke is three times deadlier than first hand smoke
Poor November Eleven.
You know, I've only ever run into one person whom I said "Heh, I can't beleive you don't realize why your fat, donkey cave." Was my boss at one of my jobs; every day around 5ish, I had to pull out cookies, brownies the like for the people I took care of (Was a dietary aide at a hospital). Well, around Christmas time, we found out that I needed Christmas off, so I put in a thing saying "Hey, I can't work Christmas". Well, she took it as "I'm a spoiled brat and 'cant' work Christmas because I don't want to". So I immediately put in my 2 weeks.
Now, we were in bad blood because of that, but I stayed my two weeks anyway. This lady is the type that drinks "Very disgusting tea" every day because it helps her manage her weight, but that didn't stop her from scarfing down ten cookies every single day, preventing us from having enough cookies for the residents. I got blamed for it every day, though I was told by her daughter that she put on a good twenty pounds at the end of the two weeks.
DIDM wrote:I'll take a #6 extra super sized with two dollar burgers, a crispy chicken, 4 ranch cups and A DIET COKE
like diet coke is actually any better for you
That's something I completely and totally loathe; I need to be HEALTHY! but I love my pop. I'm going to drink a 12 can pack of soda daily, but it's ok, it's Diet!
I agree-most overweight people drink diet coke, or CANCER coke, as I call it-studies have shown that aspartame is more likely to cause cancer than sugar-and it really doesn't cause you to be less fat than high fructose corn syrup. If you want healthier soda, get the old school pepsi with real sugar. It's a tad bit better for you.
I'm being dragged to family Easter dinner this year (gives me a chance to play Talisman, Ascension and Pandemic with my uncles/cousin though, which is why I agreed to go along). I guess I'll get a slice of pizza on my way home from it. "What, why is he getting pizza after an Easter feast? Is he a fatty?" No, true believers-it's because my aunt is cooking dinner, and she throws so much fatty slop onto EVERYTHING, that I can't eat 95% of the stuff on the table-so I'll starve during dinner, and get something moderately healthy on my way home. I think she cooks every meal with a pound of Crisco. My cousins are both so overweight that they're near diabetic. And the eldest is only in middle school-he ate so much one night that when he laid down to sleep 4 hours after the meal, he threw up, because there was so much food in his system, it had nowhere else to go when he laid down. The family keeps arguing with my aunt/uncle's section of the family about obesity, but nobody takes any steps.
dogma wrote:For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy
I dunno if I'd mention Japan here. Japan, as a culture, is incredibly screwed up. "You're one pound over the standard weight (even if that pound is because of muscle), YOU ARE FAT AND EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IS CAUSED BY YOU BEING HORRENDOUSLY OVERWEIGHT!"
Obesity is funny. I was obese when I was 18-19 at 5'9 250, but it was mostly muscle. The idea that muscle weight doesn't contribute to obesity needs to be considered carefully.
dogma wrote: Obesity is funny. I was obese when I was 18-19 at 5'9 250, but it was mostly muscle. The idea that muscle weight doesn't contribute to obesity needs to be considered carefully.
It shouldn't, but at a weight of 250 at 5'9, even when it is MOSTLY muscle, that is extremely heavy for a person of that height. When you're 250 at 5'9, its only okay if it is ALL muscle. And even then, its not a healthy weight. Were you wrestling by any chance?
LumenPraebeo wrote:
It shouldn't, but at a weight of 250 at 5'9, even when it is MOSTLY muscle, that is extremely heavy for a person of that height. When you're 250 at 5'9, its only okay if it is ALL muscle. And even then, its not a healthy weight. Were you wrestling by any chance?
Football and wrestling.
Well, sort of, I pushed up to 250 after deciding I was going to play college ball, prior I had been ~210-220. I'm now ~180.
That being said, I'm not convinced muscle shouldn't contribute to obesity assessments. It has its way of impacting biochemistry, and obviously cartilage wear.
Da Boss wrote:Man, some of the food on that thing...
You gotta wonder why obesity is rampant in some countrys but not so much in others. I mean, the food in the UK is pretty fattening on the whole, and while the UK has an obesity problem, it's not as bad as the US by a long ways. Ireland seems to run on beer and fried breakfasts, but again, while we're one of the worst in Europe for obesity and heart disease, not as bad as the US.
A lot of it is food costs and portioning. I can get a large deep dish cheese from Giordano's for ~20 USD. This pizza has 8 slices, each slice is 550 calories. They claim the pizza serves 3-4 people. Its basically 2 days of food for 1 person, so about 10 USD per day for what is, essentially, a near luxury food.
When I was in Spain it cost me about 30 USD per day to get ~2000 calories per day with food of similar quality.
That said, I think the bigger issue is just the way different nations look at being fat. No major nation I know of likes it, but some of them seem largely indifferent to it. I imagine that climate plays a significant role, as do the nature of traditional foods. For example traditional Japanese foods are quite healthy, as are most traditional Spanish foods.
Japanese food is inherently lower calorie than European because they use less fat and oil in the cooking. The emphasis on fish over meat, and small portion sizes, also has a healthy effect. I always lose weight when I'm in Japan. In fact I'm losing weight pretty steadily at the moment, since my wife cooks Japanese food most evenings.
Another thing about Japan is that there is a national cncern with weight. All restaurants print the calorie values in their menus, and there is a government programme to avoid obesity. Since most workers have an insurance health check every year, Japanese doctors have plenty of opportunities to tell you off for being fat.
Japanese women are obsessed with being thin, to the degree that it probably affects their fertility. Half the adverts in Japanese women's magazines are about weight loss.
Portion Size I remember a study done a few years ago that investigated why the French do not have an obesity problem considering their diet consists mainly of cheese fried in butter, served with cream. The conclusion was that French portion sizes simply are smaller than US.
Another thing about Japan is that there is a national cncern with weight. All restaurants print the calorie values in their menus, and there is a government programme to avoid obesity. Since most workers have an insurance health check every year, Japanese doctors have plenty of opportunities to tell you off for being fat.
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Right, they have the same thing in Korea as well. I heard that the UK government was going to bring in the same thing, but the rather naive politician responsible for implementing it made it optional than a requirement. As a result, practically every eatery has just said, "erm.... no thanks"
Interestingly, I read recently that the UK has overtaken Mexico to become the second fattest nation on earth. Certainly, after spending a lot of time abroad it is always shocking to return to the UK and see about seemingly 50% of the population is overweight.
Although I'm not sure how far the US is still ahead.. watching a tennis tournament from Miami last week is was incredible to see 18-wheeler ball kids and line judges stampeding around the side of the court. One line judges legs in particular must have had their own postal code, I'm attributing that distraction to Andy Murray's loss in the final
dogma wrote:
Obesity is funny. I was obese when I was 18-19 at 5'9 250, but it was mostly muscle. The idea that muscle weight doesn't contribute to obesity needs to be considered carefully.
Mostly muscle? Sure. Wladimir klitschko would have to put on weight to be that heavy and he's six foot six.
My missus and I got all these wrong, I always thought the fattest places would be in Mississippi and Alabama and places with poor educational achievements and large African American contingencies.
But Texas is where all the fatties are nowadays? :S
mattyrm wrote: My missus and I got all these wrong, I always thought the fattest places would be in Mississippi and Alabama and places with poor educational achievements and large African American contingencies.
But Texas is where all the fatties are nowadays? :S
These studeis are usually a joke and not actually based on, you know, fat people, but nonsense like the total miles of bike lanes a city has.
mattyrm wrote: My missus and I got all these wrong, I always thought the fattest places would be in Mississippi and Alabama and places with poor educational achievements and large African American contingencies.
But Texas is where all the fatties are nowadays? :S
These studeis are usually a joke and not actually based on, you know, fat people, but nonsense like the total miles of bike lanes a city has.
Yeah whenever I have read about the obesity issue or watched stuff like 20/20 it has been based around the biological fact that African Americans are more at risk of obesity, I recall reading that In 2009 the US government paid for a minority health survey and African American women were 60% more likely to be obese than Non-Hispanic White women.
And also areas with poor educational achievements are more at risk, which makes sense as well seeing as ignorance about health and nutrition must surely be another big reason for weight gain?
As I said, common sense makes me sceptical of that survey, I don't think we guessed one right from the whole top ten!
I'm currently doing a stint in Mobile Alabama, I moved here after doing a year in San Diego. The difference in health is night and day.
San Diego is pretty healthy, great food options from eating out to grocery. There is a giant push in San Diego for locally owned restaurants serving locally sourced food which helps keep things healthy. I think because of this push you actually get a lot of great options at really good prices. The local cuisine is a combination of Mexican and seafood. The Mexican is about the best I have ever had, maybe not the healthiest stuff, but not too bad either. There is an abundance of great seafood options. While you could certainly blow a few hundred dollars on dinner in San Diego you did not have to. The amount of mid level restaurants serving excellent food in San Diego is one of the things I loved the most about living there. Half priced Sushi happy hours became my bread and butter.
On the completely other end of the spectrum we have.
Mobile, Alabama is so disgustingly unhealthy, its absurd. The grocery stores here are terrible, mostly consisting of Wal Mart grocery stores, with very limited selections, almost none of them healthy. Trying to find low fat anything in a grocery store in Mobile is an exercise in futility. To top it off grocery is more expensive here than in San Diego. I would kill for a Trader Joes right now! Eating out is for the most part a non starter. The city is completely dominated by chains, from fast food to dinners and restaurants it is almost completely corporate. You can literally see from one waffle house to the next its so bad. The local cuisine basically consists of lard fried lard. Your only healthy options are very expensive restaurants, there is no middle ground here, its either TGI Fridays (2 for $20) or NOJA (2 for $200). I've recently started my quest for the farmers markets, but these are so random and out in the cut, that it might as well be a second job. AND IF I SEE ANOTHER GIGANTOR ORDERING SWEET TEA I THINK I"M GOING TO KILL THEM......TRY SOME EFFING WATER!
I wouldn't hold the Japanese up as the pinnacle of a physically healthy society or even consider them a worthy model to copy. Simply being a 'normal' body weight doesn't mean you're healthy.
Andrew1975 wrote:I'm currently doing a stint in Mobile Alabama, I moved here after doing a year in San Diego. The difference in health is night and day.
San Diego is pretty healthy, great food options from eating out to grocery. There is a giant push in San Diego for locally owned restaurants serving locally sourced food which helps keep things healthy. I think because of this push you actually get a lot of great options at really good prices. The local cuisine is a combination of Mexican and seafood. The Mexican is about the best I have ever had, maybe not the healthiest stuff, but not too bad either. There is an abundance of great seafood options. While you could certainly blow a few hundred dollars on dinner in San Diego you did not have to. The amount of mid level restaurants serving excellent food in San Diego is one of the things I loved the most about living there. Half priced Sushi happy hours became my bread and butter.
On the completely other end of the spectrum we have.
Mobile, Alabama is so disgustingly unhealthy, its absurd. The grocery stores here are terrible, mostly consisting of Wal Mart grocery stores, with very limited selections, almost none of them healthy. Trying to find low fat anything in a grocery store in Mobile is an exercise in futility. To top it off grocery is more expensive here than in San Diego. I would kill for a Trader Joes right now! Eating out is for the most part a non starter. The city is completely dominated by chains, from fast food to dinners and restaurants it is almost completely corporate. You can literally see from one waffle house to the next its so bad. The local cuisine basically consists of lard fried lard. Your only healthy options are very expensive restaurants, there is no middle ground here, its either TGI Fridays (2 for $20) or NOJA (2 for $200). I've recently started my quest for the farmers markets, but these are so random and out in the cut, that it might as well be a second job. AND IF I SEE ANOTHER GIGANTOR ORDERING SWEET TEA I THINK I"M GOING TO KILL THEM......TRY SOME EFFING WATER!
You know the Civil War started because some Yankeee impugned the greatness of sweet tea...barbarian.
I think a big problem with the obesity rates in the US, especially amongst children are due to the school food programs. Sooooooo much frozen & highly processed crap.
Hell, I felt sick after eating once at my high school cafeteria, I can't imagine what I'd have done if the school actually forced me to eat that kind of every singe day. (I'd have just sucked it up and starved unill I got a proper meal at dinner.)
Hell, I hated the food at my daycare way back when so much, my parents just packed me off with a proper meal every day, even though they were still being charged the weekly 'food costs' by the daycare. And so many of the kids at that daycare were turning into little butterballs eating 3-4+ sandwhiches all slathered in cheap & unhealthy crap like No Name brand butters, jellies & sandwhich meats.
I tend to just shake my head everytime I see fat people walking into fast food places and ordering the super-sized fries, 2-3 burgers, fried chicken & 'uber large pop.
You know the Civil War started because some Yankeee impugned the greatness of sweet tea...barbarian.
In the US we have clean water available at the touch of a faucet in almost every home in America. This is a luxury that most of the world would kill for. For the most part we piss on it. I know people that personally will not drink tap water. They come in two varieties, ones that only drink flavored beverages loaded with sugar, and the ones that will only drink bottled water. Battled water is a completely unregulated wasteful marketing scam. I can't tell you how often I have had people ask me for water at my clubs, and as I go to fill a glass FOR FREE from the gun, they ask for bottled water. We charge $3 for bottled water, our tap water is municipal water that we run trough an additional filter, still they want the bottle. For a long time I refused to carry bottled water, but the customer is king and money talks.
It amazes me that people are willing to pay upwards of $8 for a gallon of water. Hell, when I bought my last club I inherited cases of BLING water, they used to sell it for $30 for 8 oz bottle because some rapper endorsed it. I dropped it all off at the homeless shelter. Its no wonder the oil companies feel they can charge $5 for a gallon of gas.
Sweat tea is bad but look what happens when you mix Mountain Due and Appalachia. People are putting mountain due in baby bottles. This is by far worse that cigarettes, and there is little to no warnings or education about it.
You know the Civil War started because some Yankeee impugned the greatness of sweet tea...barbarian.
In the US we have clean water available at the touch of a faucet in almost every home in America. This is a luxury that most of the world would kill for. For the most part we piss on it. I know people that personally will not drink tap water. They come in two varieties, ones that only drink flavored beverages loaded with sugar, and the ones that will only drink bottled water. Battled water is a completely unregulated wasteful marketing scam. I can't tell you how often I have had people ask me for water at my clubs, and as I go to fill a glass FOR FREE from the gun, they ask for bottled water. We charge $3 for bottled water, our tap water is municipal water that we run trough an additional filter, still they want the bottle. For a long time I refused to carry bottled water, but the customer is king and money talks.
It amazes me that people are willing to pay upwards of $8 for a gallon of water. Hell, when I bought my last club I inherited cases of BLING water, they used to sell it for $30 for 8 oz bottle because some rapper endorsed it. I dropped it all off at the homeless shelter. Its no wonder the oil companies feel they can charge $5 for a gallon of gas.
Sweat tea is bad but look what happens when you mix Mountain Due and Appalachia. People are putting mountain due in baby bottles. This is by far worse that cigarettes, and there is little to no warnings or education about it.
Lots of fatties in Canada, too. I work in Ontario and I'm always amused at how fat they are, just like Americans. Gotta have that Tim Hortons extra large donut! And poutine...mmmm yummy poutine.
Poutine sounds so rank. I can't believe people eat stuff like that.
Then again, when I was in university, once a week I'd down 6-8 pints of guinness and slouch to the chipper for chips with cheese and curry sauce on top.
Da Boss wrote:Poutine sounds so rank. I can't believe people eat stuff like that.
Then again, when I was in university, once a week I'd down 6-8 pints of guinness and slouch to the chipper for chips with cheese and curry sauce on top.
I smoke, I don't abuse tobacco, I smoke 4-5 cigs a day, unless I'm drinking, then it can sky rocket, but I don't drink so often anymore either. I eat fast food, maybe once a week. I also lift weights and run regularly. Most everything is ok in moderation. It's when crap becomes your main diet and you rarely eat anything healthy, combined with not moving except to stuff your face, that is when it really becomes a problem.
Amaya wrote:Is Dogma seriously claiming to have benched 500+ LBs at 18/19?
Yep, and I was ~250 at the time, put on 20-30 lbs in about 2.5 months. When you spend 2-3 hours in the gym every day (still do that, but much more cardio is involved) its certainly possible.
ifStatement wrote:I'm struggling whether to picture him as a chubby Arnold Schwarzenegger or...
Why are you assuming I was toned?
That makes no sense, and speaks to the standard "gamer" understanding of fitness.
I was no Ryan Kennelly, but the basic approximation of body type was similar.
Over the course of 5 years I cut down to a more reasonable weight of 180-190. There's a picture of me floating around here somewhere, and some Mods have seen me post mono (ie: after I could barely sit up for 4 months) in person.
The fact I said CHUBBY Arnold Schwarzenegger aside, I'm not assuming anything of the sort. If you want my own opinion I'm going to call bull on the whole idea that you were a 250 pound 18 year old who was obese but with "mostly muscle" and could bench press 500 pounds.
ifStatement wrote:The fact I said CHUBBY Arnold Schwarzenegger aside, I'm not assuming anything of the sort. If you want my own opinion I'm going to call bull on the whole idea that you were a 250 pound 18 year old who was obese but with "mostly muscle" and could bench press 500 pounds.
Yeah, totally, dropping a cartoon character that is noted for being fat absolutely lets us all know that you meant to characterize me as a power lifter, and not as a fat kid. I believe the phrase is "Come off it!"
Either way, its the probable result assuming being mostly composed of muscle means not being obese. A common mistake.
ifStatement wrote:The fact I said CHUBBY Arnold Schwarzenegger aside, I'm not assuming anything of the sort. If you want my own opinion I'm going to call bull on the whole idea that you were a 250 pound 18 year old who was obese but with "mostly muscle" and could bench press 500 pounds.
Probably because you're assuming being mostly composed of muscle means not being obese. A common mistake.
No more to do with your nack of posting tidbits of information about yourself which is never in the least bit modest or self deprecating and also never asked for before hand. It's usually to the tune of 'your wrong about that here's what I just read on wikipedia. Did I mention I was a well hung lady's man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?' In my experience people who whine on so much about themselves in such a manner usually talk a load of crap.
ifStatement wrote:
No more to do with your nack of posting tidbits of information about yourself which is never in the least bit modest or self deprecating and also never asked for before hand. It's usually to the tune of 'your wrong about that hers what I just read on wikipedia. Did I mention I was a well hung ladys man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'
Oh, hello whatwhat, good to see you.
Either way, I generally explain why people are wrong, if they're wrong, and use my experience as context if it is useful.
Do you object to people discussing their history replacing transmissions?
ifStatement wrote:
No more to do with your nack of posting tidbits of information about yourself which is never in the least bit modest or self deprecating and also never asked for before hand. It's usually to the tune of 'your wrong about that hers what I just read on wikipedia. Did I mention I was a well hung ladys man with a doctorate who can bench press 500 pounds and has a job with a six figure salary?'
Oh, Hello whatwhat, good to see you.
Come again?
dogma wrote:Do you object to people discussing their history replacing transmissions?
Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.
ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.
You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.
Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.
ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.
You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.
Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.
ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.
You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.
Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.
I hope it's not clear as it's not true. I only brought it up to explain why I didn't believe your 500 pound lifting eighteen year old story. In my experience people who go on about how brilliant they are all the time usually talk up a load of crap. I genuinely don't object to you doing it. In this case I actually found it entertaining.
Dogma, was that picture you posted (of the large gentleman flanked by two women) of you? I mean, I know you don't look like that now (from the 'Show Yourself' thread), but in the past?
Experiment 626 wrote:Well, it's pretty sad to hear that this current generation of school-aged kids are going to be the first generation to have a shorter life expectancy than their parents.
But then, it's not surprising that so many North Americans in general are so grossly overwieght when you see that people actually eat foods like this kind of crap; http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/
I can honestly say that nothing on that list even looks remotely appetizing.
The Guinness chocolate pudding sounded pretty good.
My other half made Guiness chocolate cake with cream cheese icing for my birthday at the weekend. I am parking the car an extra 1/2 mile from work for a month because of that bugger. It was heaven to eat.
Cave_Dweller wrote:Lots of fatties in Canada, too. I work in Ontario and I'm always amused at how fat they are, just like Americans. Gotta have that Tim Hortons extra large donut! And poutine...mmmm yummy poutine.
Timmy's is nowhere near as bad as the likes of Krispy Kream, hell, over the past coule of years they've really decreased the size of their donuts & muffins. Timbits will soon be bigger at the rate they're going!
And poutine in Ontario is a farce to say the least. (unless it's being prepared/cooked by a Quebecquois)
The best poutine is found in Quebec and the Maritimes!
ifStatement wrote:Glad you got that off your chest. I don't object to any of your self serving meandering into your beautifully concocted resume, carry on as you are old boy. I reserve my right to judge, however.
You clearly do object, though the grounds for objection seem...not sound.
Though I'll admit, I only played football near Troy's rad ride.
I hope it's not clear as it's not true. I only brought it up to explain why I didn't believe your 500 pound lifting eighteen year old story. In my experience people who go on about how brilliant they are all the time usually talk up a load of crap. I genuinely don't object to you doing it. In this case I actually found it entertaining.
500lb raw bench at 18 is world class strength. It's not remotely believable but its funny that he claims it.
Albatross wrote:Dogma, was that picture you posted (of the large gentleman flanked by two women) of you? I mean, I know you don't look like that now (from the 'Show Yourself' thread), but in the past?
If so, that's crazy.
No, that's Ryan Kennelly. He holds the world record in the assisted bench press, something like 1000 lbs.
The scary thing about that is that he's also 6'2, bench specialists are usually no taller than 5'10. Of course that's why he probably won't ever set the record in unassisted bench, the guy that holds that is Scott Mendelson, he's 5'9 ~300, and looks like a brick wall:
Amaya wrote:I wouldn't hold the Japanese up as the pinnacle of a physically healthy society or even consider them a worthy model to copy. Simply being a 'normal' body weight doesn't mean you're healthy.
Right, although being the longest-lived nation (with the exception of some principalities which home the super-wealthy) makes you think they are doing something right!
Amaya wrote:I wouldn't hold the Japanese up as the pinnacle of a physically healthy society or even consider them a worthy model to copy. Simply being a 'normal' body weight doesn't mean you're healthy.
Right, although being the longest-lived nation (with the exception of some principalities which home the super-wealthy) makes you think they are doing something right!
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.
I do think though that their diet is a significant part of that - lots of fish and fish oils, vegetables etc. (and of course smaller portions). I think also that diet will play a big part in the quality of your life, even if you are not a particularly active person - fatty laden foods leading to all kinds of health problems in older age. 4 years doesn't sound like a lot, but it's remarkable that the richest country is ranked at 36 in terms of life expectancy (at least according to Wikipedia).
I do agree however with the point that life expectancy isn't the sole indicator of the success of a 'system', although in terms of diet I think there are quite a few things the West should try to copy.
When medical personnel do studies of long-living individuals, though, those people tend to be more or less "normal"; kinda overweight, eat whatever they want, live 90+ years. Most don't smoke or smoked when younger but quit, though.
My physician tells me that genetics are the #1 predictor of longevity, along most other stuff (which backs up why Japanese people are generally long-lived since that's a very homogeneous gene pool). Based on my ancestry alone, I'm likely to live til 80, keep all my hair, and develop glaucoma. As long as I don't do anything that is actively detrimental to that (as in, becoming morbidly obese, smoking a pack-a-day, or driving off a cliff) then I'm probably fine.
Diet, exercise, being generally fit--I think all this matters more when you're obviously unhealthy, like the 500 pound landwhales riding around Walmart in Rascal Scooters because they lost a foot to diabeetus. If you're more or less normal, I think the empirical evidence suggests that your lifespan is more likely to be determined by how long your Dad/Dad's Dad/Dad'sDad'sDad lived than anything you do behaviorally.
Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.
Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.
Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.
Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.
I would hope that people don't need to be told that excessive concentration of anaerobic over aerobic exercise is not healthy.
I also hope the idea of describing Scott Mendelson as an athlete doesn't catch on, or any of those 'Worlds Strongest Man' competitors either.
ifStatement wrote:
I would hope that people don't need to be told that excessive concentration of anaerobic over aerobic exercise is not healthy.
Excessive aerobic is also unhealthy, its all a question of balance and priorities. If a professional weight lifter doesn't mind dying young, then good on him for doing what he wants.
But you might be surprised how little people know about their own bodies.
I used to work as a trainer, and eventually got into sport specific, I know former 16 year old kids that knew more about their bodies than 50 year old men.
ifStatement wrote:
I also hope the idea of describing Scott Mendelson as an athlete doesn't catch on, or any of those 'Worlds Strongest Man' competitors either.
No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.
ifStatement wrote:No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.
It actually isn't simple at all, and honestly that you think it is has me questioning what you actually know about the subject.
Amaya wrote:
Being unathletic and 'long lived' doesn't automatically make you healthy and the difference between Japans overall life expectancy and America's is 4 years, 82.6 to 78.3. Considering that America has 180 million more people, a much more diverse culture and environment, that difference in life expectancy becomes really meaningless.
Conversely, being athletic, or simply muscular, also doesn't mean that you're healthy. For example, Scott Mendelson is probably going to die fairly young.
Okay, where did I put up Scott Mendelson as being the picture of health? His strength is unreal, but like most super heavy lifters he has excessive fat and is in general, not healthy.
There are a lot of Olympic lifters and power lifters at under 220lbs /w low BF that are in excellent health who also have excellent strength. You have to achieve a balance between build and strength to optimize your health. The lifters that are most impressive to me are the lighter ones who can lift 2.5x their body weight over their heads.
By the same token, the stick thin athletes who do marathons and ultra marathons are to me, about as healthy as Scott Mendelson. Great, you can run forever, but they have no upper body strength and are dangerously skinny.
ifStatement wrote:No it's quite simple. Frankly if anyone thinks lifting weights until your arms ache then downing a protein shake is more healthy than playing a 90 minute game of football or taking a bike ride they're an idiot.
It actually isn't simple at all, and honestly that you think it is has me questioning what you actually know about the subject.
What about the idea that anaerobic exercise is not as healthy as aerobic exercise is not simple?
ifStatement wrote:
What about the idea that anaerobic exercise is not as healthy as aerobic exercise is not simple?
Explain to me what it means to be healthy such that anaerobic exercise is less healthy than aerobic exercise.
Further, not all lifting is anaerobic, there are tons of training regimes that feature aerobic lifting systems.
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Amaya wrote:
Okay, where did I put up Scott Mendelson as being the picture of health? His strength is unreal, but like most super heavy lifters he has excessive fat and is in general, not healthy.
I never said that you did, I'm simply pointing out that being really, really muscular doesn't make you healthy. Indeed, one can have negatively excessive muscle mass.
I'm also not sure he has excessive body fat, obviously you need body fat to maintain that kind of muscle mass for any realistic period of time, but I see clear abdominal definition there and that's hard to maintain with any amount of body fat that I would consider excessive.
Amaya wrote:
You have to achieve a balance between build and strength to optimize your health.
ifStatement wrote:
What about the idea that anaerobic exercise is not as healthy as aerobic exercise is not simple?
Explain to me what it means to be healthy such that anaerobic exercise is less healthy than aerobic exercise.
Further, not all lifting is anaerobic, there are tons of training regimes that feature aerobic lifting systems.
You know I feel like I'm speaking in plain english but somehow giving one example of lifting weights as an anaerobic exercise amounts to me saying that all weight lifting is anaerobic in your head. Turns out putting Dr in front of your name doesn't amount to much these days.
I'd venture that he is between 15% and 17% body fat and that he has massive abdominal muscles which probably help to make them more visible. My top 4 abdominals are visible around 16%ish BF, but I have to drop down to at least 12% for a visible six pack. It varies somewhat from person to person. For a 6' male anything over 240-250lbs is probably unhealthy in the long run, even if most of it is muscle.
I don't think ifStatement even knows the difference between anaerobic or aerobic or what HIIT is...
ifStatement wrote:
You know I feel like I'm speaking in plain english but somehow giving one example of lifting weights as an anaerobic exercise amounts to me saying that all weight lifting is anaerobic in your head. Turns out putting Dr in front of your name doesn't amount to much these days.
You said that lifting until your arms ache and downing a protein shake is less healthy than playing a game of football. This implies that lifting is anaerobic, because soccer most definitely is. I can lift until my arms ache and down a protein shake, while exercising aerobically, just as I can play football till my legs ache and exercise aerobically. Hell, my legs ache far more after a rugby match than any leg workout.
Either way, the problem is that you think "plain English" means anything separate from "what I'm trying to express". It doesn't, if you can't clearly define your terms in a written context with people you don't know personally, then your terms are probably crap, and the problem with being misunderstood is probably on your end.
Amaya wrote:I'd venture that he is between 15% and 17% body fat and that he has massive abdominal muscles which probably help to make them more visible. My top 4 abdominals are visible around 16%ish BF, but I have to drop down to at least 12% for a visible six pack.
I agree with that, but I don't think 15-17% is excessive for your average person.
I envy the visible 6-pack at 12%, I had to go down to 9% for that, though they became visible at 10-11% after I started a more creative ab workout.
Amaya wrote:
It varies somewhat from person to person. For a 6' male anything over 240-250lbs is probably unhealthy in the long run, even if most of it is muscle.
Yeah, there's always body type issues, and genetics. But I generally agree with that, and can claim anecdotal evidence regarding sickness and joint pain regarding my own weight gains and losses.
Amaya wrote:
I don't think ifStatement even knows the difference between anaerobic or aerobic or what HIIT is...
Funny thing, I took up running because I hated it less than HIIT.
ifStatement wrote:
You know I feel like I'm speaking in plain english but somehow giving one example of lifting weights as an anaerobic exercise amounts to me saying that all weight lifting is anaerobic in your head. Turns out putting Dr in front of your name doesn't amount to much these days.
You said that lifting until your arms ache and downing a protein shake is less healthy than playing a game of football. This implies that lifting is anaerobic, because soccer most definitely is. I can lift until my arms ache and down a protein shake, while exercising aerobically, just as I can play football till my legs ache and exercise aerobically. Hell, my legs ache far more after a rugby match than any leg workout.
Either way, the problem is that you think "plain English" means anything separate from "what I'm trying to express". It doesn't, if you can't clearly define your terms in a written context with people you don't know personally, then you're terms are probably crap, and the problem with being misunderstood is probably on your end.
You must become a real ball ache when it comes to arguing between raw and rai. In other words it's clear what type of weight lifting exercise I was getting at in that example. You're just being deliberately particular to back up your idea that I don't believe any type of weight lifting could possibly be involved in aerobic exercise. I'm alltogether too familiar with the difficulties of being understood when the person your talking to is an arrogant narcissist who would quible with the slightest spelling mistake just to increase their one upmanship brownie points.
Edit: @Dogma I actually prefer HIIT to running simply because it's more efficient for fat loss. Running for 30-45 minutes gets boring for me pretty fast.
ifStatement wrote:
You must become a real ball ache when it comes to arguing between raw and rai. In other words it's clear what type of weight lifting exercise I was getting at in that example.
No, it really wasn't. And it wasn't just me, clearly Amaya didn't think so either, and he's been critical of my claims in this thread.
ifStatement wrote:
You're just being deliberately particular to back up your idea that I don't believe any type of weight lifting could possibly be involved in aerobic exercise. I'm alltogether too familiar with the difficulties of being understood when the person your talking to is an arrogant narcissist who would quible with the slightest spelling mistake just to increase their one upmanship brownie points.
I'm actually more concerned with the broad claim you made regarding health, but whatever.
And sure, I'm arrogant, news at 11. I've admitted this before, and most people here are well aware. Narcissistic, maybe in my worst moments regarding nondescript others, though I generally only think of myself as important to me.
But in this case, I legitimately have no idea what your take on aerobic versus anaerobic is, other than the manner in which it relates to ridiculously vague term "healthy".
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Amaya wrote:@Dogma I actually prefer HIIT to running simply because it's more efficient for fat loss. Running for 30-45 minutes gets boring for me pretty fast.
Sometimes I do. Running at night down the Mag Mile (or any major street) is pretty awesome, and gets me motivated even when I'm tired.
But I think the bigger issue is that I've settled into a routine of a hybrid between hypertrophy and powerlifting, and that standard cardio feels good because its simply different.
ifStatement wrote:
You're just being deliberately particular to back up your idea that I don't believe any type of weight lifting could possibly be involved in aerobic exercise. I'm alltogether too familiar with the difficulties of being understood when the person your talking to is an arrogant narcissist who would quible with the slightest spelling mistake just to increase their one upmanship brownie points.
I'm actually more concerned with the broad claim you made regarding health, but whatever.
And sure, I'm arrogant, news at 11. I've admitted this before, and most people here are well aware. Narcissistic, maybe in my worst moments regarding nondescript others, though I generally only think of myself as important to me.
I didn't call you arrogant because I thought it might come as a surprise to you, nor a narcissist because I needed your approval. The fact that you are not insulted is not bothering me as it wasn't my intention. That you interpreted it as an insult is telling enough.
ifStatement wrote:
I didn't call you arrogant because I thought it might come as a surprise to you, nor a narcissist because I needed your approval. The fact that you are not insulted is not bothering me as it wasn't my intention. That you interpreted it as an insult is telling enough.
ifStatement wrote:
I didn't call you arrogant because I thought it might come as a surprise to you, nor a narcissist because I needed your approval. The fact that you are not insulted is not bothering me as it wasn't my intention. That you interpreted it as an insult is telling enough.
I interpreted it as an insult?
Of course not you just felt the need to qualify something I said outside of it's context for gaks and giggles.
every singe day. (I'd have just sucked it up and starved unill I got a proper meal at dinner.)
