Hello Dakka,

We all forget some rules when warhammering the opponent, but what rule is the one you always forget to use? Of course there is rules that are you don't understand or know always, but is there some rules you know that won't come in to play because you didnt remember?

Mine has to be grenades againts vehicles, all my chaos marines have krak and i dont remember it!

Not sure if this belongs in this thread but...

I tend to forget single character shooting phase abilities, like Imotekh's lightning or master of ordnance, as you don't always see the character in your units and tend to miss the chance to use them.

Also about your message, some armies depends on anti-tank so I don't know how you can forget it.

Lumppu wrote:Hello Dakka,

We all forget some rules when warhammering the opponent, but what rule is the one you always forget to use? Of course there is rules that are you don't understand or know always, but is there some rules you know that won't come in to play because you didnt remember?

Mine has to be grenades againts vehicles, all my chaos marines have krak and i dont remember it!

I'm still quite new to the game so i barely know how to use grenades at all :S

My number one thing i forget isn't so much a rule i surpose but a guideline, i always forget to roll tests...especially if my army drops 25% or more.

Being Eldar I am very good at remembering to use my psychic powers at the beginning of the turn. No, that's a complete lie.

i always forget psy powers too lol

Mahtamori wrote:Being Eldar I am very good at remembering to use my psychic powers at the beginning of the turn. No, that's a complete lie.

Pretty much this, although i'm becoming better at it.

I'm also amazing at remembering units that are crucial to my battleplan working. That is, remembering that I forgot about them. I spend all game leading up to it and pow! "Okay, your turn...Ah !"

Haha, I used all krak grenades on a rhino even if my sarge had a PF, forgetting that tau plasma guns dont get hot, forgetting to reroll failed LC and digital weapon attacks (happend alot before but some players are kind enough to tell me that i could reroll).

I forget Lucius' Lash of Torment and his Armour of Shrieking Souls rules all the time.

I always also forget that I can run my Raptors once they have deepstriked in. So many times I forget this only to have them wiped out by Plasma Cannons.

Also Synapse test on the Doom of Mal'antai and to use psychic powers in general.

I always remember to use Lash of Submission though.

I'm not very good at this game all in all

Me and my compatriots tend to forget unit coherancy(or we just dont care, cant remember which)
I also forget fighting for my IC, and the psychic hood, And sometimes if forget to use my force weapon.
Sometimes i forget my drop pod is coming up on the first turn.
And i completely forget the rules for rapid fire weapons and heavy(as in i move and then realize i cant fire :( )

Running away tests after being shot at, pinning, night fight when I cause it, etc.

I remember most rules, but there is one that I constantly forget (And I mean constantly, I have remembered it maybe one game). Wraithsight on Wraithlords. The worst thing is that this rule is bad for me, and still I forget to make the Wraithsight roll.

I always forge to smoke vehicles. Not a rule but still something I forget almost every game till something blows up.

I always forget to roll for The Red Thirst for my units.

Luckily it is not optional and I usually remember after the first turn or just before my boys get into combat and roll then.

We always forget Night Fighting rules whenever we roll up a Dawn of War game.

Every. Single. Time.

By turn 2 or 3 someone will remember "Oh we didn't roll for Nightfighting on turn 1!"

hahaha, with my daemons i always forget all there nifty little special rules always lol, i'm hopeless.

dark eldar - always forgetting combat drugs

chaos marines - ....i'm okay lol they don't do anything special anyway, they just look cool nd pimp about in their rhino-mobile. Try to pick up some DE chicks, maybe get in with the slaaneshi's if there around, moon the sorroritas and generally end up crashign into a tree or a building somewhere on the battlefeild.

As IG, I always forget you have to roll orders first, so I get overexcited, fire, then realize I can't issue orders now.

Wound allocation, half the time I still play it by 4th edition rules.

Every IG player I've ever played against always forgets to do the orders until after they've fired with 2-3 of their units. Every single one...

Though I have forgotten my fair share of Don't Press Dat! tests

Almost EVERY time I forget red thirst rolls! And it benefits my army! I have taken to writing down on my army list which units have red thirst and a big sign saying ROLL FOR RED THIRST DAMN IT!!

I always forget all sorts of little special rules for characters. Like Snikrot's panic rule that makes every enemy unit lose leadership, or that ghazzy has a big shoota.

I frequently forget to shoot my drop pods.

Rolling for Faith Points.

I always forget about reserve units. Out of sight, out of mind I guess. Last game I played I used a unit of summoned daemons. I had started moving a few of my guys when i remembered I didn't roll for them. Luckily my we're pretty lax with it so he let me roll for them. They ended up coming in and getting me a kill point that turn.

I also always forget havoc launchers are twin-linked.

I find that the rule that most people forget, most frequently, is that the #1 rule is to have fun.

I don't really have deployment getting in and out of transports down pat so I normally avoid adding Devilfish in my lists.

That and the fact that the Devilfish is utter garbage.

I forget my Farseer has psychic powers too often to even warrant including one.

I forget Exarch powers.
I forget Swooping Hawks have a grenade pack.
I forget Banshee special rules.
I forget Scorpions can't fleet.

... I forget how to win.

I forget that my Gargoyles are jump infantry and spent three turns walking them up the board. At the end...after I'd lost...he said, 'why were you being so sneaky with those, I would have moved them in much sooner and wiped me out!?'

Doh!

Roll for reserves (every...single...game!)
Roll for leadership before using counter attack.

I constantly forget to have my opponent take pinning Ld checks. I think in umpteen battles, I've remembered about 4 times (and I use sniper scouts and pop transports all the time)... sigh.

I always forget to use my Raiders Shock Prows when i equip them >_<

Popping smoke for me. And the one time I do remember, the only vehicle that didnt shoot all game was a Bane Wolf...without smoke launchers.

The S of hits to units from exploding vehicles. I'll never remember.

Psychic powers. Playing Grey Knights with a Librarian means I have lots of powers to play with, and they all need to be used at different times. A lot of times I get halfway through a phase before I remember to use a power.

I see quite a bit of smoke launchers.
I forgot those existed.

I've seen quite a few people forget that Fearless =/= auto-pass leadership test.

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I find that the rule that most people forget, most frequently, is that the #1 rule is to have fun.

Depends on who you play with, but based on some of the threads and posts here on dakka it would seem that this is fairly true.

I just misuse wound allocation, which is a pity because I don't have any multiwound models :p

That the Masque has hit and run.

I will say one trick to remembering guard orders to think of it as a separate, additional phase..movement, orders, shooting, assault, etc.

I have seen countless people forget the vehicles in CC thing, which took me a couple games against orks to remember pretty firmly.

I always forget the stormcaller rule (the roll at the beginning of the turn)

Sometimes, and to my advantage i have forgotten to shoot my drop pod weapons. Occasionally i'll forget to shoot my additional wepon through lumbering behemoth as well

DeathReaper wrote:I always forget to roll for The Red Thirst for my units.

Luckily it is not optional and I usually remember after the first turn or just before my boys get into combat and roll then.

If you forget during deployment, you don't get to roll.

Everyone forgets it's 3" to capture, and 6" to contest.

And I always forget to Pop Smoke. And to go to ground.

Chowderhead wrote:Everyone forgets it's 3" to capture, and 6" to contest.

Because it's not. In either of the book Objective missions.

At the end of the game you control an objective if there is at least one of your scoring units, and no enemy unit (any unit, whether scoring or not), within 3" of it.

i forget my deep striking terminators all the time

The rule I see most TFGs forgetting is the Most Important Rule.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:The rule I see most TFGs forgetting is the Most Important Rule.

Which won

"the most important rule is to have fun." naaah that can't be it. It has to be something much more arcane and secret. (walks away mumbling to himself).............

I used to always forget to take Target Priority Tests with my Black Templars. Probably because it's a stupid rule that technically doesn't even exist any more >.<.

I always forget the GK Grand Master's Grand Strategy. Because it's the only special ability I've ever used that has to be used during deployment, so I'm just going through my usual routine of getting my units in order, reserves sit over here, etc. And it's a shame too, as I specifically shelled out for it rather than using a brother-captain.

Murrdox wrote:We always forget Night Fighting rules whenever we roll up a Dawn of War game.

Every. Single. Time.

By turn 2 or 3 someone will remember "Oh we didn't roll for Nightfighting on turn 1!"

This...Oh very much this.

Most people tend to forget that it is actually a TWO player game.

Everyone is so focused on there own armies etc. they lose the concept that playing a spammed out GK list is not FUN for the other guy, unless your in a tournament.

I've been playing granades against a walker in CC wrong, I've been determining it based on Weapon Skill all the time (you are only suppose to if the dread is stunned/immobalized) other times it's 6's to hit.

I always forget the "don't press dat" rule until i read through the codex at the end of the day for fun.

Deepstriking terminators.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

I tend to forget that Landspeeders Deepstrike and not Outflank. I play Orks so I probably confuse it with Koptas.

The rule that specifies that when your fall back roll result is snake eyes, you stay locked in combat. I think its called "Insane Heroism" or something like that.

Either way, I forget it almost every time.

Hrothgar wrote:The rule that specifies that when your fall back roll result is snake eyes, you stay locked in combat. I think its called "Insane Heroism" or something like that.

Either way, I forget it almost every time.

No such rule.
Snake eyes ona morale check always passes - you're right on the name of the rule.

Page 43 in the BRB.

If picking sides, and deploying first are the same roll. I don't know how.
Also, I always remember stealth suits rules when I use them, but never when I play against them.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:I will say one trick to remembering guard orders to think of it as a separate, additional phase..movement, orders, shooting, assault, etc.

I have seen countless people forget the vehicles in CC thing, which took me a couple games against orks to remember pretty firmly.

I always forget the stormcaller rule (the roll at the beginning of the turn)

Sometimes, and to my advantage i have forgotten to shoot my drop pod weapons. Occasionally i'll forget to shoot my additional wepon through lumbering behemoth as well

Yeah thats what I had to do. And yet I STILL forget them at times. I'm busy making a guardsman with a sign that says "REMEMBER YOUR ORDERS STUPID" so I can hopefully prevent that in the future

I also forget nightfighting constantly. I hate it, and always feel bad when it's turn 2 or 3 and we both remember

lloyd.net wrote:My number one thing i forget isn't so much a rule i surpose but a guideline, i always forget to roll tests...especially if my army drops 25% or more.

You mean the unit drops 25% and you forget a Morale Check or are you talking about Phase Out ... from the previous / obsolete codex?

Eldar psy powers. Wraithsight.

Reserves.

Using Search Lights during DoW.

I keep forgetting that Dreadnoughts don't get armor saves because they are a vehicle even though they do most everything else like a guy. Still a noob though.

Baldsmug wrote:I keep forgetting that Dreadnoughts don't get armor saves because they are a vehicle even though they do most everything else like a guy. Still a noob though.

Well, they do. But it's lot harder to get them, need to have 50% obscured.

I forget many rules, but I do it so well I dont know which.

The first rule, to have fun and be a good sport.

Night Fighting. I specifically re-read them because of Necrons now.

rolling for leadership after assaults and shooting phases.

As soon as I take 25% casualites on a unit, I put down a pair of dice to remember my leadership checks. My buddies have started doing the same.

We still forget...

Synapse checks. I normally remember at the beginning of the turn, but I forget that they're not fearless during my opponents turn when I get shot.

Having to roll for Red Thirst at the beginning of the game, I forget ALL THE TIME. Not a big problem for my strategy but it's still a rule.

Murrdox wrote:We always forget Night Fighting rules whenever we roll up a Dawn of War game.

Every. Single. Time.

By turn 2 or 3 someone will remember "Oh we didn't roll for Nightfighting on turn 1!"

yes

Another one I keep forgetting especially with Necrons is that Terminators cannot sweep after combat.

Njal's Chooser of the Slain, I always forget that he gets to place it and even then I forget that he also gets D3 S3 I5 attacks!

Always seem to get pitched battle so much I don't even remember the rules for the other two.

rolling for reserves...

Right now, I'm constantly forgetting about all the extra rules that come with the gear on the royal courts. Not things like MSS or warscythes, but things like the assault move reducing stuff, what unit I shot at that is now in difficult terrain for their turn, forgetting I can make a unit take a leadership test instead of firing the flame template staff.

I also forget that some of my wraiths now have guns.

Forget to check for 6's on to-hit rolls with tesla weapons.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:The rule I see most TFGs forgetting is the Most Important Rule.

I forget this rule all the time, but not because I'm TFG(that would be the Eldar player in our group).

I forget this rule cause the crap rules writing makes me forget that this game was ever fun.

I tend to forget that i bought certain wargear for my guys. i get on to turn five, glance at my list to check something and "well FETH these guys all had cybork!"

Not a rule, but both my friend and I constantly forget what turn it is. We get so stuck in and enthusiastic over destroying each other or taking objectives, we get to the point where we have barely any units and ask 'wait, what turn is it now?'.

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:I tend to forget that i bought certain wargear for my guys. i get on to turn five, glance at my list to check something and "well FETH these guys all had cybork!"

Yay WYSIWYG! It has another purpose!

For my BA, I never remember to role for red thirst, EVER. My opponents always have to remind me,

Here's a few common rules we forget in our playgroup:

1. Repair rolls for Rhinos. We've had more than one game where an immobilized Rhino just sits there for the entire game.

2. No embarking or disembarking onto a vehicle that plans on moving flat out. Whenever turn 5 rolls around, someone always hops in a transport and moves flat-out to contest.

3. Forgetting to replace exploded vehicles with a small area of difficult terrain. This one is often just to speed up and simplify games.

+1 for red thirst. I've never played a game as or against BA that didn't involve rolling red thirst mid-game. Apparently a poor game mechanic since nobody are able to remember it

I also very often forget the re-roll granted by a wolf-standard. I'll say I'm using my standard and then forget to re-roll regardless

Illumini wrote:+1 for red thirst. I've never played a game as or against BA that didn't involve rolling red thirst mid-game. Apparently a poor game mechanic since nobody are able to remember it

I also very often forget the re-roll granted by a wolf-standard. I'll say I'm using my standard and then forget to re-roll regardless

I like how alot of these are Red-Thirst mechanics.

Be glad it's not like the old 3rd edition mini-dex, where you rolled for each and every single model in a unit to see if they join Death Company.

Orders. Especially since I run without a CCS, so my orders are already with a tiny range.

I always forget hit and run.
My poor seraphims get shreded because of this!

rigeld2 wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:I tend to forget that i bought certain wargear for my guys. i get on to turn five, glance at my list to check something and "well FETH these guys all had cybork!"

Yay WYSIWYG! It has another purpose!

doesn't help. I've got nearly everything i use modeled, and still forget that its there. ive had rear armor open on a vehicle 3 turns in a row, forgot i had a 2 kombi rokkits in the unit. one is modeled being thrust up into the air.

I used to be terrible about remembering my ld tests, until I started making a better use of orders.

Besides night fighting in 40k I forget panic in fantasy all the time. There are so many causes of panic and I rarely if ever test for it unless i inflict 25% shooting casualties.

Rear charges, flank charges, friends broken nearby, friends destroyed nearby, general death. Just always forget.

-Loki- wrote:Not a rule, but both my friend and I constantly forget what turn it is. We get so stuck in and enthusiastic over destroying each other or taking objectives, we get to the point where we have barely any units and ask 'wait, what turn is it now?'.

And so next time you get a turn counter out. And then by the end of turn 2 you've gotten so eager again that you forget to update it, leading to exactly the same conversation several turns later with the added bonus of having to try and remember when you did last update it.

Additions:
Like a lot of people; Night Fighting for DoW.
Stormravens don't have Scout as standard (luckily I don't play an army that can use them).
Purifiers are Fearless, so taking out 25% of the squad is never enough (unless I somehow managed to take out all the psycannons, at which point I couldn't care less about the unit).
My Crisis Suit units are not made up of identical models, so I keep rolling saves for the entire unit before realising that I needed to roll them seperately for the basic suits and the team leader.
Which units have successfully rolled to come in from reserve.

I run a lot of Razorbacks, so when I run the Rhino, I never remember Repair.

Faith Points. I always forget to roll to see how many I get that turn, until I get to the point at which I'm actually going to use an Act of Faith - not too often, but I should probably use them more now that I'm playing much smaller games.

Cerebrium wrote:Orders. Especially since I run without a CCS, so my orders are already with a tiny range.

This is me all the time.

In fact I forget a lot of my IG shooting, mostly because I have so much. I now work my way from one side of the board to another, which is sometimes a little awkward, but at least I don't forget to fire the Leman Russ hanging at the back anymore.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:Orders. Especially since I run without a CCS, so my orders are already with a tiny range.

This is me all the time.

In fact I forget a lot of my IG shooting, mostly because I have so much. I now work my way from one side of the board to another, which is sometimes a little awkward, but at least I don't forget to fire the Leman Russ hanging at the back anymore.

That's how my mom does her movement, shooting, and assault phases. Starts at one side of the board and works her way across. She plays Orks though.

Orders are what I also always forget when I use my IG.

With my brand-spanking-new Grey Knights that I've played exactly one game with, I forgot to use Hammerhand until I get to my Justicar.

For my Eldar, it would have to be the Banshee Exarch powers. I don't even remember what they do half the time, and whenever I play Eldar, I always include at least one unit of Banshees.

I don't forget the rules to the game because I am constantly practicing for tournaments. So I tend to force myself to remember the rules. But I do have a hard time remembering the rules for armies I don't use. So sometimes I will forget what a certain enemy unit can do because I don't remember much about them.

And one of the most forgotten rules I have seen people do in tournaments is Independent Characters and moving through cover.

Another one I always see people forget is to check for pinning on a unit that has had it's transport "destroyed-wrecked, or destroyed-explodes.

And another one is the way Barrage weapons can only hit the top floor of a ruin.

Used to always forget Combat Drugs, but I bought a set of Pain Tokens that also came with Combat Drug tokens and that's helped me remember quite a bit.

Nowadays, I always forget to make scout moves.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:And another one is the way Barrage weapons can only hit the top floor of a ruin.

I don't believe that's true; I thought it struck the highest level that is beneath the centre of the blast marker, not always the highest level regardless.

Avatar 720 wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:And another one is the way Barrage weapons can only hit the top floor of a ruin.

I don't believe that's true; I thought it struck the highest level that is beneath the centre of the blast marker, not always the highest level regardless.

Yeah, they can only hit "the highest level that is under the hole in the center of the marker."

i always forget my DA stubborn rule always.... it sucks!

Interrogator-Chaplin wrote:i always forget my DA stubborn rule always.... it sucks!

DA have stubborn? Man I've played Deathwing far to long.

I always forget to use Zandrekhs freebie UNR handout...every darn time.

I always forget that the range for Night Fighting is measured from hull of the vehicle, not from the guns / firepoint.

I hate to chime in for an already well-forgotten rule, but I've also got to say night fight. It didn't help that in 4th ed, everybody like playing with "beta" level, and nobody actually liked nightfight so we often ignored it on purpose. In 5th ed, it is done on purpose to balance DoW a bit, but that still doesn't stop the forgetfulness.

In like half of the games I've played with nightfight, vehicles magically get un-immobilized or have their weapons fixed, and infantry magically return from the dead as turn two rolls around and someone remembers that all that damage they did last turn shouldn't have actually happened...

... somehow these foibles never made it into my battle reports...

I keep forgetting my company command squad has better stats than my platoon command squads, cheating myself out of BS4 and Ld9.

...I've got a friend who keeps forgetting to Guide her Bright Lance-equipped Wraithlord, and always misses with it...

That deep strikers always land on the bottom floor of a ruin. Yes that ruin will stop an artillery round, but that assault marine will just barrel down through 3 stories until his feet are on solid ground. Makes a little more since for a drop pod though.

Chrysis wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:And another one is the way Barrage weapons can only hit the top floor of a ruin.

I don't believe that's true; I thought it struck the highest level that is beneath the centre of the blast marker, not always the highest level regardless.

Yeah, they can only hit "the highest level that is under the hole in the center of the marker."

Yeah, thats what I meant but I didn't want to quote the actual rule because I thought you couldn't do that for copyright reasons...anyway I guess I could have explained it better. Re reading my origional post it does seem to say only the top floor but that isn't what I meant. I guess next time I will just be exact and not worry about it.

You can quote rules or parts of rules that pertain to the topic at hand (otherwise rule discussion would be a hell of a lot harder), but you can't copy and paste entire pages of the rulebook.

Ok, thanks. I didn't know what was legal and what wasn't.