I like 40k, therefore I have no interest in dropping my models and switching games to "teach GW a lesson". So, who all out there will just learn to do more with what they have, slow down buying everything, and realize that hobby purchases are not a necessity.

A thousand.

Edit: No wait, fifteen hundred.

Why should I slow down buying stuff?

I'll just spend the same amount, into other games like Warmachine and Infinity.

The sooner people realize there are other quality games out there the less painful.

Yeah, like I was going to throw out 30.000 points of miniatures because a few kits went up by 2 quid.

Ill just keep buying via ebay

Well, I'm certainly not going to sell off my Grey Knights just because some models got more expensive.

But that new Ork army I was wanting has been cancelled, and the funds transferred to Dystopian Wars and Warmachine. To be honest, I'm more into steampunk stuff right now anyway, but GW effectively priced that Ork army I wanted right out of my price range.

I'll still be buying things, but I want to try and buy a bit more from discounted sites. I'll still buy some things from GW that I won't get from those sites though but all in all I'm doing this to try and keep the costs down a bit.

At the end of the day I didn't leave because of the price increases.
I left because the lack of updates for my favorite armies lead to me to feeling like any money I spent may not be a good investment of my hobby dollar. The increased prices just intensified that feeling.
If I had a guarantee every army would receive an update for every edition of the game (seeing how sweepingly the edition changes tend to impact the game)? I might be ok with the price increases- the 40k world and the immense customizability of GW’s plastic kits are both so cool I’d be willing to put up with a lot. I have a very limited hobby budget though, and if I buy something I need to know it’ll be seeing time on the table at my FLGS, I just can’t throw down for a huge collection of stuff that may or may not function well within each edition.

When is this price increase going to happen ??

Happened on the 4th. I think for some reason we didn't get it here this year, which would be quite refreshing.

I will still be buying and playing, but....

The last price hike was a turning point for me. For the first time in 20+ years in this hobby I started to actively cut back on my spending habits.
No longer was my purchases motived by "Do I want this?", but rather "Can I afford this?".

The latest price hike has simply upped the likelihood of "No" being the answer to that question.

I wasn't going to stop playing at the last hike (and I'm still not there yet), but each of these excessive price hikes brings me a noticeable step closer to the end of my run with GW.

NZ has not had one either, maybe they are bringing prices into line by raising it in the states and uk, we have it bad enough in this part of the world anyway

I think you've asked the wrong question. Its not so much "will you still play the games" rather its more like "will your buying patterns with GW change?". What do I mean? Well for me, this is my current buying pattern:

For 40k
- I scour ebay for classic RT and 2nd edition IG models to add to my growing Necromundian force (I'll still play 40K, but without the pressure to buy the "latest and greatest")
- The occasional new FW release gets bought new direct
- The occasional new GW release looks alright, but at that price, I will pass or buy 2nd hand from ebay
- SG will remain in my gaming collection and the odd purchase will be got off ebay or ebid

For fantasy
- I have recently flogged off the last of my fantasy models on ebay for a pretty penny. I now have no more fantasy rules and only the odd miniature kicking about
- I have now started buying and painting a chunk of the Banelegions minis in preperation for their upcoming skirmish game


That last point I think will chime with a lot of people here. The same money and desire to game and paint remains, just with the price of GW and the sheer amount of models needed to play their games coupled with a lot of higher quality games and miniatures coming up and available from other companies, GW looks so much less attractive. You get a lot more mileage for your quid with other companies...


To use the overused car analogy: GW likes to think itself the Porsche of the mini world. Where in reality, they are the Fords of the mini world. Mass market and mass produced. Quality generally ok, and a good chunk of gamers have at least owned a GW model or two in the past. Nothing to complain about, but then again it doesn't really inspire you as much as you hoped. However, there are so many better manufacturers out there that produced higher quality, higher detailed models and games at an equivalent price (Privateer Press, Spartan Games, Infinity, Banelegions, Sedition Wars, Kingdom Death, etc etc)

EBAY

I am currently building a Necron army, so the price increases don't effect me much.

CCB/AB's got raised 3,- Euro, but I have three of those already and that is probably enough for me.

Triarch Stalker got raised 2,- Euro, so when I buy my second one eventually they will steal that extra 2,- I guess.

Other than that none of the Necrons got an increase, so yay.

If my Marines turn out to need one more tank I will probably make the one exception, but generally once I consider individual items/kits unreasonably priced I will just not buy those particular items anymore.

I'm done with 40k all together. I've moved on to Infinity and Dropzone Commander. A lot of players don't realize how flawed 40K's rules are because they are unfamiliar with other systems.

Kaldor wrote:But that new Ork army I was wanting has been cancelled, and the funds transferred to Dystopian Wars and Warmachine. To be honest, I'm more into steampunk stuff right now anyway, but GW effectively priced that Ork army I wanted right out of my price range.

I don't think Orks got all that much of a raise though?

zedmeister wrote:I think you've asked the wrong question. Its not so much "will you still play the games" rather its more like "will your buying patterns with GW change?".

+1 on that.

With the sheer amount of unopened/unpainted models I have (GW and other companies), I really don't need to buy anything else......unless I get an idea for a new army

TBD wrote:

Kaldor wrote:But that new Ork army I was wanting has been cancelled, and the funds transferred to Dystopian Wars and Warmachine. To be honest, I'm more into steampunk stuff right now anyway, but GW effectively priced that Ork army I wanted right out of my price range.

I don't think Orks got all that much of a raise though?

Over a few models no. But it sounds like he was going to buy an entire army in which case lots of little price increases can have a huge effect.

I'll chime in seeing as I never really see my point of view posted by anyone, so I'll just put it out there....

The price rise isn't going to make the slightest difference to me whatsoever. So what if my once-a-month hobby purchase is now £43 rather than £40. I guess I'll have to have one less pint over the entire month, I can't say that is too much of a sacrifice. In fact, even using the word sacrifice is too much, it makes no difference whatsoever.

40k/WHFB I'll add to those armies when I find something second hand I like. Everything I would want to add to my WHFB army will be or is finecast (and I have no faith in GW's abilities with this media). I stopped buying GW stuff new last year - and most of my "new" stuff was picked up second hand in the last 12 or so years.
I don't even play 40k anymore. It got boring and I tired of all the arguments from the BA, SW and necron players.

Otherwise, my 40k stuff will be repurposed for Tomorrow's War (Marines are just enhanced humans in powered armour, guard are just humans NOT in powered armour. Eldar are humans with special rules, ditto for orks, tau, etc). My 40k stuff has been used in stargrunt, for example - where it worked well.

New stuff is limited to Infinity for me.

But I've always had at least two games that I play going at a time - It allowed me to switch out when I got bored with something. I can't understand the "brand loyalty" mindset when it comes to gaming - you buy their stuff, they supply stuff you like, that's the extent of it. When they stop doing that, why continue to buy it? When there are soooo many other manufacturers of miniatures out there and so many other games.

After this latest price increase, the missus has effectively begged me to stop expanding any of my armies.. which is OK, since I have over 4k marines, and the largest games I have ever played was 2k (and within that 4k is enough redundancy that I can run just about any list that I like)

About the only army her new policy hurts is my 2k of CSM, because I haven't really perfected the build, nor taken it to apocalypse levels yet.


As it's been pointed out by others: new games... I recently purchased the infinity and Hell Dorado rule books to check out those games. I am hoping that with shorter games that have smaller model counts, that she'll be able to game with me, more than just an occasional DnD game (as she was the one who got me into DnD)

I've not bought anything from GW for well over a year and don't plan to either. Sold off the majority of my armies to keep a couple with which I still occasionally play.

My hobby money has gone into other games systems and companies and looks set to carry on that way.

I may hope over to another game after NOVA, however I have a feeling 6th ed will reinforce my interest in the game.

I will still buy from GW as I like the miniatures and will just go to other sources to buy the models at a cheaper price if need be. Most IG tanks are still the same price and the chimera is only a couple of quid more expensive but as I play mostly horde guard then the infantry price increase is a problem. I will say this though: why can't they go back to a pack of 20 guardsmen?

Afraid to say I'm another who is in the camp of it not really effecting my purchases.

This is a one kit a month hobby for me, It takes me that long to paint one kit, to be purchasing a number of kits each month is a waste of time. I already have a bit of a backlog painting wise.

What this will change is I'll be more cautious with my purchase's, I will proxy a unit a lot before getting my hands on the kit as I don' want to buy, build and paint a unit that I do not 100% wish to use regularly. Not at the current cost.

I have also been tempted by WarmaHordes and have taken the plunge to build at least one army (trollbloods). However Kit for Kit I find the prices to be similar. I need less to start playing so that helps but I'm already too involved in a number of GW projects to scrap the lot over £2/3 quid a kit rise.

I haven't bought anything from GW for years, either direct or from discounters. Most of my wargaming expenditure goes on other things like the Plastic Soldier Company, Spartan Games, or the Perrys.

I do occationally buy GW models although they are exclusively through Ebay or forum swap shops as I can get decent, usually classic, models for a fraction of RRP.

I still have most of my old armies but I haven't even opened the cases containing my Dwarves and O&G since the release of 8th, I may as well Ebay them to be honest as I very much doubt that I will ever play fantasy again.

chromedog wrote: It got boring and I tired of all the arguments from the BA, SW and necron players.

BA Player: I'm going to drink your blood
SW Player: Woof, Woof, Bark, GROWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Necron Player: Analysing game move................ Game move does not compute. RULE ERROR!!! RULE ERROR!!!!!!

Thats what that looks like.

Eldar are humans with special rules, ditto for orks, tau, etc).

Eldar are Space Elves. It's just taking tolkiens creation and putting it into space. A bit like putting the Muppets in space.

carlos13th wrote:

TBD wrote:

Kaldor wrote:But that new Ork army I was wanting has been cancelled, and the funds transferred to Dystopian Wars and Warmachine. To be honest, I'm more into steampunk stuff right now anyway, but GW effectively priced that Ork army I wanted right out of my price range.

I don't think Orks got all that much of a raise though?

Over a few models no. But it sounds like he was going to buy an entire army in which case lots of little price increases can have a huge effect.

Ork items that had a price increase down here (in Euros):

Ork Boyz: 50 cents
Killa Kanz: 1,-
Deff Dread : 2,- (I think)
Trukk: 3,- (this is not a very good pick atm though)

Battle Wagons, Lootas, Bikers and Nobz did not get a raise, and AoBR Deffkoptas shouldn't be affected.

So how much more could it cost really? About 15,- to 20,- maybe?

And didn't Australia & NZ not get a raise at all?

Needless to say he is free to spend his money on whatever he wants, but I just don't see how these latest increases would stop him from buying the Ork army if that was his plan before.

I will just keep buying. Ive been in the hobby for 15 years and ill be damned to give it up just cause things got a little pricey. Though I do think some kits are getting a bit rediculous. ( bloodknights ) One more reason to play orks, since you can scratch-build/convert/kitbash half your stuff.

Having a look on the website, I shouldn't be affected too harshly. All the Grey Knight Infantry looks to have remained at the same price, which is mostly what I am looking for in my new army. I already have a couple of Landraiders and a Stormraven and other transports, so hopefully I won't need too much on that side of things. Only transport I don't have is the Chimera.

TBD wrote:
Needless to say he is free to spend his money on whatever he wants, but I just don't see how these latest increases would stop him from buying the Ork army if that was his plan before.

Its a tipping point, where the cost of something has exceeded its value. He has obviously reached his.

Now on the other hand if you were just about to buy a transport & tank heavy Blood Angels army...

- Stormraven 3x 13,- extra = 39,-
- Rhino/Razorback 5x 3,- extra = 15,-
- Baal Predator 2x 7,- extra = 14,-

There would be a lot more reason to be ticked off

TBD wrote:
Needless to say he is free to spend his money on whatever he wants, but I just don't see how these latest increases would stop him from buying the Ork army if that was his plan before.

Unless hes not buying on principle alone.

DarthOvious wrote:Unless hes not buying on principle alone.

Yes yes, a fair point obviously.

I just thought it was funny that an Ork army, out of everything, is being cancelled because of this increase (and in a country that didn't get an increase even). No big deal.

TBD wrote:Now on the other hand if you were just about to buy a transport & tank heavy Blood Angels army...

- Stormraven 3x 13,- extra = 39,-
- Rhino/Razorback 5x 3,- extra = 15,-
- Baal Predator 2x 7,- extra = 14,-

There would be a lot more reason to be ticked off

Lucky I have a lot of that. I have 1 Stormraven, 4 Razorbacks and 2 Baal Preds.

For my mech list to be complete though I would want one more Razorback, get some assault cannon & Las-Plas turrets for them, one more Baal and 2 more normal Preds. So probably won't be cheap to expand.


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TBD wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:Unless hes not buying on principle alone.

Yes yes, a fair point obviously.

I just thought it was funny that an Ork army, out of everything, is being cancelled because of this increase (and in a country that didn't get an increase even). No big deal.

Indeed. I'm still going to buy stuff, I'll just start buying some from discounted websites. I was already buying from the store beforehand anyway. Some things I will still need to buy from store though, no big deal.

Everything I buy is already discounted. Since my local game store basically insults me while asking for my money I just buy online(who do they think they are the DMV?). I have found that the two people I buy from do larger discounts for larger orders. I think it was 300+ was 25-30 percent off and free shipping. So at those prices I just save my money and then invest in everything in one go. Also since I stopped drinking I have about 100-200 bucks a month extra in my budget so it works out just fine

Squidmanlolz wrote:I'm done with 40k all together. I've moved on to Infinity and Dropzone Commander. A lot of players don't realize how flawed 40K's rules are because they are unfamiliar with other systems.

Have you gotten hold of some early drafts of the rules or are you just very enthusastic about the models?

512thReg wrote:I will say this though: why can't they go back to a pack of 20 guardsmen?

Because plastic is sooo expensive.

I'll just be skimming eBay and some local/ semi-local stores that have 10%-20% off of GW products.

I didn't even realize until the other day that I stopped buying after last years price increase. Since then, my monies have all gone to Corvus Belli.

I'm still going to finish up my Tyranids, but I think my planned Salamanders reboot is going to die indefinitely. Maybe I can sell off the models to fund more Tyranids.

I was priced out long ago.

I will continue to play Games Workshop games for the future despite price increases as I do have a sizeable collection of models. However, I won't be buying new models anymore, sticking to used stuff. And I'm going to have to switch paint lines now with the new prices there.
GW still has my business for rule sets but my money is going into second hand stuff and other companies.

carlos13th wrote:

TBD wrote:

Kaldor wrote:But that new Ork army I was wanting has been cancelled, and the funds transferred to Dystopian Wars and Warmachine. To be honest, I'm more into steampunk stuff right now anyway, but GW effectively priced that Ork army I wanted right out of my price range.

I don't think Orks got all that much of a raise though?

Over a few models no. But it sounds like he was going to buy an entire army in which case lots of little price increases can have a huge effect.

Yeah, I buy armies in bulk lots.

To be honest, at least part of my decision to invest my money in other systems is frustration with GW corporate and their decision making. I've put up with the ferociously high prices here in Oz, and worked around through re-sellers on eBay to get the models I want, but at the end of the day I feel like putting my money in other systems is just better all-round value for money.

Im going to keep on buying, i dont much like many other games systems, its the fluff that does it for me, i dont really play that many games.

My main issue is that 2 of my mainstay armies necrons & tau have/will get new minatures. So I need to 're buy' my army. I don't really like metals and in addition I used to get the large £120/€180 army deals - it's how I started crons, tyranids and wood elves.

To update my crons I need 4 ark kits and 3 spyder kits. And to try and off load my old stuff =(

Had to sell my nids as I couldn't afford to change it to something viable in addition to codex gimping.

Tau I'm worried about. If they change firewarriors - I have 36 of them. If they will look crap that will be bad. =( Suits are fine I have only 3 of them and 2 broadsides.

I've picked up some Warmachine, because it has a bigger following in my city. I'll keep buying GWs paints. Today I purchased two water pots even.

i was planning on getting some new DA stuff when the Codex lands, i have bugeted some cash to see what is what with any new kits that may come, now if they are stupid expensive (like everything else) i will drop them for .... dropzone commander and infinity, i already own more infinity than i could play with but that doesnt matter lol

I will still buy but more on the same lvl I did before. I typically make a list of the items I like and then pinch pennies to save up and then buy them in bulk as my FLGS will usually give me a discount when I buy like that. Now I'm not gonna say that I am all too thrilled about the price hikes but that just kind of reinforced my push to move and try out Dust Tactics/Warfare which I am really liking the rules and play style so far. Plus the models aren't bad and priced more to my budget. As I told one gamer in the store the other day if you truly enjoy the game and want to play you will figure out a way to keep on playing, yes you may not be able to purchase 5 units a month any more but you will figure out a way to play.

angel of ecstasy wrote: Today I purchased two water pots even.

I gotta ask, because while I can even see a reason to buy GW branded sand (finding clean dry sand can be a real pain in the ass sometimes) I can't see any reason to ever buy a GW water pot.

So, why?

I had to give up 40k a long time ago. Not because I was pissed at them or anything. I just couldn't afford it. It really seems like a game were "He who spends the most money wins". I can't buy $50 on models when I need it for gas to get to work. I can tell most of you who are not going to give up spending must not have families to support. If I can have just as much fun spending less on other games I will. I also found because of this there are actually better games! I didn't realize before how childish the 40k game really is until I got into Infinity and a few others.

angel of ecstasy wrote:I've picked up some Warmachine, because it has a bigger following in my city. I'll keep buying GWs paints. Today I purchased two water pots even.

GW makes water pots? really? Why would you need to buy one, let alone two of them?

On topic:
I haven't bought 40k stuff in over a year, simply because I've got enough stuff to paint and game with. I haven't spent $100 this year on WHFB. I have spent a bunch on 3rd party producers simply because GW doesn't produce what I want.

I expect this trend will continue.

Oh this thread again? "Who isn't aware you're allowed to play more than one game in your life?" is the more accurate question.

I'll spend a bit less but I still enjoy many different aspects of 40k and will continue playing.

Just like I'll continue Warmachine, etc.

Because it isn't all or nothing, black or white. You can vary your gaming.

No way I'll quite because of a price increase; that's absurd. I will however put an indefinite hold on starting new armies, but I have to assume GW's done their maths and determined that increasing profit margin makes up for infinitely less product sales.

Phase 1 - Discourage Sales
Phase 2 - ?
Phase 3 - Profit

I have so much GW stuff that I could fund a small third world country with it.

I haven' t bought any more except for a couple of trades here and there to send to people since thier finecrap/ last price raise.

The amount of other games I am into now is now pushing over 20. with room for more.


As to the "WFB side of things, I miss the old game, more then hearing of new editions. I had a mixed feling on thier MMO, and for one wished they would have done more interchangeability with thier miniatures/ promotions angle.

I have a solft spot for GW, but it is very small. There are far too many fish in the sea for GW to pee in your face and tell you its raining for you to be mad about it.

Too bad they are stupid, but thats on them. Let them pay the price, I won't.

About the tenth thread on this..

Why quit? Why not just play with the stuff you have and buy alot less gak?

I haven't bought any minis for about a year since I got up to about 2500 points of SM.. I don't understand why some of you guys have to own ten of everything frankly. I still havent bought a finecast model either cos I've already got 3 HQs and a Thunderfire cannon..

I mean, what's the most common point game, 1500?

Why the hell do you need 4 Land Raiders and 8 Drop Pods?!

I'm staying. I hate the models for Warmahordes and the attitude of the players. Hate the models for Infinity and I'm Meh on Dust Tactics.


Unless someone made a game with models I like, and it was a company level wargame, not a skirmish game, I won't switch.

I do have a ton of FOW I haven;t painted....But I know how bad the cheating is in that tournament scene, so I would only play casually.

GW makes water pots? really? Why would you need to buy one, let alone two of them?

They're not more expensive than any other water pots, and my girlfriend got sick of me using her mothers glasses. I bought two so that I can have one to clean the brushes in, and one to keep clean water that I don't soil. It's a bit annoying when you're gonna thin out white paint for example and the white turns into dark turquoise. And I can't be arsed changing water every five minutes.

Edit: And they look the gak

angel of ecstasy wrote:

GW makes water pots? really? Why would you need to buy one, let alone two of them?

They're not more expensive than any other water pots, and my girlfriend got sick of me using her mothers glasses. I bought two so that I can have one to clean the brushes in, and one to keep clean water that I don't soil. It's a bit annoying when you're gonna thin out white paint for example and the white turns into dark turquoise. And I can't be arsed changing water every five minutes.

Edit: And they look the gak

I go to the dollar store and buy plastic shot glasses...you get 10 for a buck. They are perfect for painting, and if you lose them or break them...you only spent 10 cents on it....And since you have 10, you can have a clean one, a wet the brush one, and a water for white one.

Sure, but I doubt they look the gak

Am I a boycott-breaker? Do I give money to the enemy?

dicebucket.com

You're welcome

I'll absolutely stick with 40K and the Specialist games after this new damn robbery of my pockets.

Ill just barely be getting anything new, that's all. I'll get some more Eldar and Necron stuff to finish off my in-progress armies, and then play with what I have. I have two marine armies that don't need any expanding, so their price hike doesn't affect me. New additions for armies will come from e-bay, and if I really want the game to feel different, I will play skirmish games back in the Rogue Trader 1st edition rules, or do what I've always meant to do and go online and track down enough material for a working version of 2nd edition.

Hell, as it is, my buddy and I never went over to 5th edition. We still play with the 4th edition rules, and it's combo of 3rd/4th edition codexi.

When I get around to buying either a Triarch stalker, or a Night Scythe, I'll then be using VDR rules to field them alongside my metal models with the previous codex!!

You can easily stick the finger to GW and still play the game you love. Their higher-ups being d-bags nowadays doesn't stop all the love I've had for the game in the years up until now.

It's all well and good for you guys that are already into 40k and already have a lot of it but ti's going to be really hard for new people to get into it. I know when my kids get old enough to want to play I'm going to tell them get three or four paper boy jobs and then they can do it.

I have not purchased a gw model since the last price raise. I do not see anything that will change that anytime soon.

Little a year into the hobby and my family has amassed a cumulative 35,000 points. Most bought second handed and cheap. However, we love the game and will keep on playing and buying just enough to keep the local GW open. Without it, it kind of goes to basement gaming....something not as enjoyable.

My Ork army is at round 3000pts and finished.
I have Speed Freeks, Kanwall, BattleWagons, and Bikers, all to 1500.
I've been done buying from GW for about 6 months.
Unless the 6th Ed. rules make fliers mandatory, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did, I am done with GW.
Currently I'm reading the Warmachine rules, and putting together my half of the starter box.

nekronuke wrote:dicebucket.com

You're welcome

Or just not buy anything GW at all. Ever. They still get a percentage of profits from the sale at an indie (just not the 100% they get from direct sales). Hit them at their bottom line, don't be like a crack addict trying to find his "fix" elsewhere. There is a stickied thread at the top of this very forum with a whole wealth of alternate systems to try out. Vote with your wallet and make them feel it in their financials, as this is the only place where a difference can be made.

nekronuke wrote:dicebucket.com

You're welcome

If you're only looking to save money, there are plenty of online discounters, including dicebucket. But don't be sad when your local store goes out of business.

If you are going to stop buying because you object to the GW price increase, buying on ebay, dicebucket, amazon, or any other online retailer isn't going to change anything. GW is perfectly happy if you buy your products from other retailers (I suspect GW's mail order and retail stores aren't nearly as profitable as non-GW stores).

I stopped being able to afford the game like 2 price raises ago and the bad rules keep me from using my massive collection of existing armies.

That being said I might buy an ork flier to paint. Could be a cool display piece.

I am going to keep playing, may cut back my spending a little bit, but the increase will not make me quit.

I don't like "wargames", I just like Warhammer/Warhammer 40k. So, I will keep buying their products at a rate given by my personal economy. I don't buy minis based on needed points, but I buy them based on disposable incomes. So whether they rise prices, I'll get less miniatures.

In case GW disappeared, I wouldn't switch to another company. I would just look for another hobby or keep playing last editions to the end of days.

Here is a different POV than what has been said on this thread.

I play in an area with few 40k players. I was working hard to grow our community and it was getting traction. When last years price increase happened We lost traction due to sticker shock and the fact that their hobby dollar didn't go as far.

If you remember PP also had their summer sale last year. Starter box +rulebook+ tokens for $50. That put another nail in the coffin. Now we are in the midst of another Price increase and what players we have left have gotten out and lo and behold bought into PPs summer sale this year.

The price increases don't hurt the Veterans that have thousands of points worth of models. The price increases hurt the new players getting into the game and the communities supporting the game. It's hard to keep poeple playing a game that they are getting into when the prices keep going up.

Yes people can go to Ebay, Amazon, etc... to get cheaper models, but the problem is convincing a new player who has just seen the game at their FLGS or liked the video games that the best way to get into the game is to buy everything online and come to the store to play. Just think of the hassle for a new player.

Also think of the how far a dollar, pound, euro, etc... goes in 40k. We'll use the most common game size of 1850 points and it's closest analog in WM/H 25 points. $40 buys one troop choice in 40k. That Troop choice is at max 250 points. So that works out somewhere between 1/6th or 1/7th of a army. In WM/H $40 will buy you a unit of some sort Averaging 9-12 points. That's somewhere between 1/3 and almost 1/2 of a army.

So I have a choice. Keep My 6000+ Ork Army and shelf it, knowing that I may only get to play it once or twice a year. Or sell them and by more WM/H and play every weekend.

I'm a bit concerned.

I've been crunching some numbers: to do ourflank/horde spam tyranids from scratch will be about £200 - including converting 6 warriors into hive guard.
Deff Lootaz Orkz - 190 assuming I can get 2 AOBR 1/2s for £20 and I need to do a shed-load of converting of the koptaz into trukkz or buggies.

To *update* my necrons with 2 arks, 2 death arks, 3 spyders and some immortals to make into a court/crypteks is £190. That's assuming I have warriors, lord and a monolth (which I do)

Eldar, tau & chaos need re-doing so it's not worth looking at them. I have dark eldar.
I don't even know what a decent 1500-1850 point guard army looks like to make it.

I'm sure marines and GK could be done cheaply though.

Seems like £200 is the 'buy in' for optimal army construction - assuming that you don't need to overly mechanize it. That said I have about £200 of cryx and have a lot less minis from my money.

KGatch113 wrote:
I do have a ton of FOW I haven;t painted....But I know how bad the cheating is in that tournament scene, so I would only play casually.

What? Aside from being inaccurate that is also a bad reason for not continuing with a system. Tournaments are not the alpha and omega of wagaming.

I'm too far in to stop now, and I feel that many people probably have that mind set. The fluff power is just overwhelming

I think they will lose a lot of future prospects with their ever increasing price point though.

I feel most for the younger players that have to rely on their parents to help them get stuff. For those of us with our own incomes, at least the decision is in our own hands.

The price hike won't stop me buying at all but I won't go over my budget in a particular month so if something is too pricey, it will simply be purchased later, when I've saved up. I buy all my GW stuff from other websites so I'll still save a lot anyway. And Forgeworld I accept is a bit more costly so I budget for that accordingly.

I will just haft to think twice before buying that new LR when instead l could buy a full tank of gas.

GW has my allegiance and my money. I shall play 40k until they put me in the ground, plane and simple. Praise be to the Emperor times will get better never give up hope.

garrapignado wrote:I don't like "wargames", I just like Warhammer/Warhammer 40k.

Eh? That's like saying "I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is"

If you like playing with miniatures, I'll guarantee you'll like some that aren't GW.

And every time you upgrade to a new edition, you're basically playing an entirely different game.

It's only a tiny step from there to actually playing a different game. Have a look around, I guarantee you'll surprise yourself.

I just went to the GW site and put some stuff into the cart to see how much hit would be at full price. I picked GK because they are high points and low cost.

This is just to start out with a small army
Total: $217.50 before tax.
Codex GK
Captain Stern
Grey Knights x2
Terminators
Venerable Dread

Now an army that's lower in points I picked Dark Eldar. I'm not sure if it's the same amount in points to the GK.

Total: $301.50 before tax

Codex
Archon
Incubi
Warriors x2
Razorwing
Reavers
Scourges
Talos

I am confused by this.
GW plc have made it clear they are interested in recruiting new players with thier B&M stores, getting as much money off them as possible before they leave .
(Estimated at 18 months on average.)
They are not interested in veteran gamers who already have loads of minatures, as we do not give them big enough returns.

So now they are pricing out more and more potential new players, and the still loyal veteran players do not spend nearly enough to interest them.

How can they grow thier buisness?

I guess at least you can say it's good they don't have the figs made in China and sell them lower that a Walmart toy.

Evidently they're banking on having enough of the player type that will literally pay anything for their product, and then vehemently defend all things GW.... all-day, every day, all the way to the bank....

I assume, barring stupidity, that they have enough knowledge that this is definitely true, because a company in this climate upping their prices by 20% at a time is otherwise really gutsy, not to mention doing it repeatedly, and sometimes even higher on their particularly best-selling product lines.

While it seems pure ass-hatery to raise a Land raider to 75 dollars (US), evidently they have knowledge that there will still be people shrugging and still buying them at that price.

I personally blame our fellow hobbyists (not all of them, of course), before GW, because things wouldn't even be this expensive without years of people sucking it up and paying anyway, every time they gouge us.

Kaldor wrote:

garrapignado wrote:I don't like "wargames", I just like Warhammer/Warhammer 40k.

Eh? That's like saying "I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is"

If you like playing with miniatures, I'll guarantee you'll like some that aren't GW.

And every time you upgrade to a new edition, you're basically playing an entirely different game.

It's only a tiny step from there to actually playing a different game. Have a look around, I guarantee you'll surprise yourself.

The gay thing seems a bit off-topic and weird, but I'll comment on the rest of the statement:

Realistically, I find that statements like "I only like WH/WH40k" can mean either:

1. Like the setting. No argument to that. it's an interesting setting, albeit one I personally burn out on pretty quickly. Sometimes I would rather go mess around in a setting where good stuff can happen.

2. Friends all play WH/WH40k, and the person doesn't want to be out of the peer group or in a position where they need to be the 'evangelist' for a new game.Especially since if you're the one who say "Let's try Game Y and everyone spends $200 on it and it sucks, you're going to hear about it forever. Realistically, this is why companies need to have good, fun starter sets so one player can be an 'evangelist' easier by painting two small but fun forces and learning the game slowly.

The other thing is that wargames are not "1 game only.' Players can play multiple games. As many games have a lot lower model counts than WH/WH40k it's very reasonable these days to devote an extra 1-2 inch tray in a BF or Sabol case to carry a couple small forces for Necromunda, Blood Bowl, War Machine/Hordes, Heavy Gear Blitz, Infinity, etc.

There's a few people who've posted in this topic that they'll stay with GW. I'd just like to add a sobering thought. This may well be your last year where you will say; "I'm staying and still buying"(look at the many posts from people who have stopped buying, this may well be you next!). Next year's price hike(and there will be one!) will probably be even more severe as they try to combat the loss of profit from this year as more people drop out because of this year's one. Will you still stick with them then?
Maybe you'll become like many of us; buying second hand from ebay, or trying to get good discounts(they'll be harder to come by). After that you'll be at the stage where you'll come on Dakka and state "The latest price hike has stopped me from buying anymore, shame on GW!"
No malice or slight intended with my post. Just pointing out sooner or later you'll drop by the wayside like me, been with 40k since the begining and now been forced to leave. So there.

Kaldor wrote:

garrapignado wrote:I don't like "wargames", I just like Warhammer/Warhammer 40k.

Eh? That's like saying "I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is"

If you like playing with miniatures, I'll guarantee you'll like some that aren't GW.

And every time you upgrade to a new edition, you're basically playing an entirely different game.

It's only a tiny step from there to actually playing a different game. Have a look around, I guarantee you'll surprise yourself.

Actually, I'm going to side with Garra here, oddly enough.

You actually have some people who aren't interested in 'wargaming', but interested in the setting/fluff of a game. They don't want a mind-stimulating, tactically-rewarding game. They want to put their Space Marines and Orks and Eldar and Tau down on the table, crack open a beer, and roll some dice. (And that's totally fine. It's when they start saying that GW's rules are the best that I start to get a little 'twitchy')

Then you've got the people who want a complex, mentally stimulating game, which 40k/Fantasy aren't. They're the ones who'll eventually start looking at other rulesets and miniature companies.

Palindrome wrote:

KGatch113 wrote:
I do have a ton of FOW I haven;t painted....But I know how bad the cheating is in that tournament scene, so I would only play casually.

What? Aside from being inaccurate that is also a bad reason for not continuing with a system. Tournaments are not the alpha and omega of wagaming.

Same. Everything I've seen/heard of the FoW tourney scene says the exact opposite of what you claim.

I am waiting for the market to pick up again once 6th Ed perks things up for a brief amount of time and drop the last vestiges of my 40k armies onto E-Bay for a final send off.

Too many other and more deserving company's that I can devote my time and effort towards.

I've been playing GW games since 1995. Not enough reason to stop now.

Like a lot of other guys here, I have more than enough stuff to paint as it is so the price hike didn't really effect me as such....

I'm at a point in the hobby where there really isn't anything else out that makes me want to play an army that I don't already own for either WH Fantasy (Dwarves & Bretonnians) or 40k (Space Wolves). So, until they re-do an army book or codex for an army that I already own, I really couldn't care less about the price hikes.

If anything it will effect newer guys getting into the hobby, but here's the thing: The ones that it will effect more are the 14-18 year old kids that are living off of their parents and have to ask them for the $ to buy the stuff. Which means that as the prices continue to hike, you're generally going to see an older crowd of guys playing the games which is fine with me... Like I said, I already own the armies I want so with the exception of a new unit, or unless I want to update with a newer model, there really isn't a need for me to buy anymore models. I have enough to paint as it is...

I'm curious as to how many are single with a job. Them I can understand sticking to 40k no matter what. But I've got a wife and three kids. Buying figures, without already selling some first, is a once a year on my birthday thing.

Stop playing? No, I have models, and even rules if I want to use them.

Stop purchasing? Already slowed considerably, now its going to be glacial.

Alternate retailers to save? Meh, I will support my FLGS as I always have; they deserve every penny they get, even if everyone agrees GW is getting too much.

It is getting hard to find new people though, especially without owning an actual second army for them to play with - good thing new folk and casual RPG'ers never complain about things like "proxy" or "wysiwyg".

I am pretty good about getting people to play various games, but with GW it's quickly becoming a "Do you already have models?" not a "Are you interested in the game?" issue.

CDK wrote:I'm curious as to how many are single with a job. Them I can understand sticking to 40k no matter what. But I've got a wife and three kids. Buying figures, without already selling some first, is a once a year on my birthday thing.

This is basically how I've gotten (not entirely by choice).. My wife loves DnD gaming, I love TT wargaming, but I really love the painting/modeling side of things more than I do the gaming... I've gotten out of the doghouse for "buying yet more crap" with the wife, when I explain that its a bunch of Reaper minis for our DnD games... When I saw the new prices, I basically told her that I'll keep playing, probably keep the rulebooks and codices up to date, but I highly doubt I'll be getting more armies, or more for armies that I have now.

I'm staying and may even be building a new army, but not until after my current ones are painted and not until I get a real job of course, but still planning on staying with GW.

The price rises irritate me, but the impending new edition terrifies me.

Anyone still buying models shouldn't be surprised when the price inevitably rises again...

TLDR, but I basically have my chaos and ork armies right around where I want them for my usual 2500pt games, with my Orks scaling up to the occasional Apoc game thanks to a stompa and a custom superheavy. Probably won't buy much more new stuff, I prefer (and have gotten most of both these armies) secondhand from ebay. What I do buy brand spankin' new is Dystopian Wars. Love the models, love the universe, and especially I love the rules. It's got some real headscratchers, but for the most part all facets of the game are fairly well explained, and complex scenarios are easy to reason out. A simple and common across all parts of the game dice mechanic helps immensely.


Oh, did I mention it's a helluva lot cheaper than GW (mostly because it's a smaller scale). I really feel more like I'm playing a Strategy game than the squad tactics that most of 40k boils down too.

infinite_array wrote:
You actually have some people who aren't interested in 'wargaming', but interested in the setting/fluff of a game. They don't want a mind-stimulating, tactically-rewarding game. They want to put their Space Marines and Orks and Eldar and Tau down on the table, crack open a beer, and roll some dice. (And that's totally fine. It's when they start saying that GW's rules are the best that I start to get a little 'twitchy')

This concept has always puzzled me somewhat, as I cannot really think of many parallells to it with other IPs. Are there people who only read Wheel of Time and no other books? People who exclusively play World of Warcraft or Battletech-related products? Refuse to watch anything but Transformers movies (now that would be almost as sad as only reading WoT books...)? There are some tech similaries (I'm a Mapple Person sic Lisa Simpson, Ah Ohly Drive (insert car brand)) but there are also practical reasons for those decicions due to platform compatibility and/or the sheer price of individual products.

infinite_array wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

garrapignado wrote:I don't like "wargames", I just like Warhammer/Warhammer 40k.

Eh? That's like saying "I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is"

If you like playing with miniatures, I'll guarantee you'll like some that aren't GW.

And every time you upgrade to a new edition, you're basically playing an entirely different game.

It's only a tiny step from there to actually playing a different game. Have a look around, I guarantee you'll surprise yourself.

Actually, I'm going to side with Garra here, oddly enough.

You actually have some people who aren't interested in 'wargaming', but interested in the setting/fluff of a game. They don't want a mind-stimulating, tactically-rewarding game. They want to put their Space Marines and Orks and Eldar and Tau down on the table, crack open a beer, and roll some dice. (And that's totally fine. It's when they start saying that GW's rules are the best that I start to get a little 'twitchy')

Then you've got the people who want a complex, mentally stimulating game, which 40k/Fantasy aren't. They're the ones who'll eventually start looking at other rulesets and miniature companies.

I'd agree, except it's not a "one or the other" thing. If you play any miniature wargame, then you are a wargamer. You might only like the IP of a single game, but it's a flexible concept and over time you'll find there are other things out there you might like as well.

Just bought my planned "last" purchase of GW. Dakka Jet. However, I might pic up a model here or there depending on need for tournaments or just something fun. Will I start another army? No. Finished 3,500 points of IG and about 3,000 of orks.

Getting into Malifaux. Pros, cheap, not alot of room to play, stores in a smaller area. Cons, alot of rules. Really, Malifaux minis are just as detailed as any GW and cheap.

The same with Infinitiy. Individually about the same or more expensive but I only need 10-15 figs to play! I got an alien faction ready to play for under $100 and have hardly added to it.

I'm on the bandwagon who will occasionally add to their existing armies, but never start a new one.

I already have 2 armies of marines, Necrons, Sisters of Battle, some Kroot mercs, and now Eldar. That's more than enough to play 40K for years and years, just with add-ons (like a flyer, or a tank/dread equivalent) once in a while to keep things "new".

AegisGrimm wrote:I'm on the bandwagon who will occasionally add to their existing armies, but never start a new one.

Yea, I'm in that same boat. I'm also working on reducing the number of armies I have as well. I think I'm going to be dumping all of my Dark Eldar stuff (a lot) and only keeping Necrons, Orks, and Marines. I'm already down to three Fantasy armies and those are pretty well kitted out so the only new purchases for those should be when Bretonnians get updated. Otherwise I think I'm done purchasing there.

I am getting into Warmahordes a little with the intent of only doing Skorne until I learn the system and then only picking up a Khaldor army as my second. Outside that, I'm pretty much set there, too.

Bought 3 pots of paint, and 1 box of chaos marines in 12 months.
So probably won't change for me

To be honest I am not that bothered with the price increase. I have a budget which I will stick to, Just priced up my next Army; 1500pts DE coven army and comes in around £300, that is very achievable with a budget.

Now if I were to drop the £300 in one go I may get into trouble with the Mrs. Much easier sneaking a box or two onto my to do pile rather than a whole army.

Just an incentive to stop buying and start painting.

I'll still be here. I'll be starting a Chaos army when their new book comes out. I'll probably be buying a fair amount of Forge World pieces to go with it as they look cool as hell. If it has Lost and Damned, then those FW renegades will be fun to model and paint!

I probably won't change very much, I buy a fair amount from Games Workshop, but more often from other sites like ebay

Though I think I'll be buying from Forge World still relatively regularly, after all Forge World is oft cheaper than GW nowadays

kronk wrote:I'll still be here. I'll be starting a Chaos army when their new book comes out. I'll probably be buying a fair amount of Forge World pieces to go with it as they look cool as hell. If it has Lost and Damned, then those FW renegades will be fun to model and paint!

i am going to buy a 2000 point all thousand sons force once that comes out, and if that isnt possible with the new dex, i will just use it as C:SM

n0t_u wrote:Happened on the 4th. I think for some reason we didn't get it here this year, which would be quite refreshing.

Yes we did.

Im keeping my Ork horde for sure, but Ive been done with buying GW for awhile now. I just think their prices are far to high for what I get. Its forced me to look else where at other companies and such, so Im going to broaden my horizons I guess, or just pursue a different hobby all together.

KingCracker wrote:Im keeping my Ork horde for sure, but Ive been done with buying GW for awhile now. I just think their prices are far to high for what I get. Its forced me to look else where at other companies and such, so Im going to broaden my horizons I guess, or just pursue a different hobby all together.

But KC, there is only THE Hobby... there are no others now back to your green little corner until you've learnt your lesson

I do not want to buy anything from GW ever again. Because I have too much to paint and too little time.

My plans are to get a squad of Wraithguard and the cool 2nd ed Eldar Rangers with my $100 in 30th b-day gift certificates.

Then some plastic Wraiths to finally finish my 3rd Ed metal Necron army, as I hate the old versions look/exorbitant price.

Then possibly a Dark Eldar Razorwing for my Eldar Pirates (using Vehicle Design Rules as a Nightwing Interceptor for 4th edition-use).

Then either a Triarch Stalker OR a Night Scythe to VDR for 4th edition(earlier codex) use. I'm torn between the two.

I'm not going to quit playing 40K. I've been there since it was concieved (nod nod, wink wink, know what i mean...).

I won't be buying anything else for my main army (Orks) after i've got my three Bommas (unless i decide i need 9 ) unless they release a new unit that really really wows me, and those are pretty rare. I will update the codex when the new one hits.

My Daemon are a whatever. Sell them, dust them, occasionally paint one.. I'll not be buying any more of them. I may update their codex when they do a new one, or i may not.

My DE are slowly growing, as i have to buy a certain amount to enter the monthly local tournament, and i like the models. Right now it's one unit a month. I'll buy something else awesome if i come into cash i've not got plan for, but that's nigh vanishingly unlikely.

I'm getting into WM (Searforge and Menoth) and Hordes (voodoo crocs), on a tiny scale, but i only buy a model very occasionally.

I'm also looking at Malifaux and other tiny games as a possible diversion.

GW doesn't have the draw on my wallet it used to, but i can still be persuaded occaionally..