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6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:11:28


Post by: ColdSadHungry


Found this posted by Kaltenberg on Warseer:



Who knows whether it's real or not? Personally, I doubt it as I'd be expecting just some kind of hammer/shield rather than an actual army represented.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:15:13


Post by: thenoobbomb


Hope its not rel.
Not nice enough.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:17:50


Post by: BrookM


Looks legit enough


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:17:59


Post by: NoBaconz4You


I find it very hard to believe considering there's no sign of a 'war hammer', something that has appeared in some form or another on the front of almost every recent rulebook.

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I could be wrong though.

Although there are DA on the front cover. I did think BT at first but the red arrow on the closest marine's shoulder pad made me think otherwise.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:23:07


Post by: ColdSadHungry


Yeah, it may well be the DA codex which also means hardcover codices are confirmed for the future. I don't mind paying the hardback price for the main ruleset so much (would prefer a soft cover) but a codex too? We'll know in a few days anyway.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:24:13


Post by: unmercifulconker


Yeah what chapter is that, thought it was the glorious BT but the red symbol has me confused


edit: Oh they look green, silly me


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:28:41


Post by: thenoobbomb


ColdSadHungry wrote:Yeah, it may well be the DA codex which also means hardcover codices are confirmed for the future. I don't mind paying the hardback price for the main ruleset so much (would prefer a soft cover) but a codex too? We'll know in a few days anyway.

Hardback codex would seem logical.
They do that to WHFB too.
If hardback, expect full colour too.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:28:45


Post by: NoBaconz4You


I think DA traditionally have red bolters too. I noticed that these editions of 40k don't have any hammers on them though.

And as you said, we'll find out soon anyway!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:29:28


Post by: Orlanth


I like it, less is more.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:30:14


Post by: unmercifulconker


Shouldn't be too long till the WD leaks.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:32:17


Post by: NoBaconz4You


Platuan4th wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/150/455813.page#4411272

*cough*


Oops.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:33:06


Post by: Therion


I'm pretty confident that's the real deal. It's new art clearly in GW's style, they've had Marines in the rulebook cover before and Dark Angels are rumoured to be in the starter box set.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:34:48


Post by: Darkseid


ColdSadHungry wrote:Found this posted by Kaltenberg on Warseer


It was actually posted by Wax on Heresy Online. Credit whom credit is due.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:43:32


Post by: lord_blackfang


Looks kind of thin to be 440 pages. But it also can't be a Codex since it doesn't have the army name on the front. Colour me confused.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:48:13


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Oh look, space marines. Again.

/mumblemuttergroanwavefistattheuncaringsky


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:49:53


Post by: Nagashek


lord_blackfang wrote:Looks kind of thin to be 440 pages. But it also can't be a Codex since it doesn't have the army name on the front. Colour me confused.


We're only really getting 2 dimensions on it. Everything else appears to be an artifact of the lighting.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:53:34


Post by: Harriticus


Horrible cover, it should stay with the theme of a Warhammer at the front and refrain from the use of any particular faction. Now it's just Space Marines 40,000.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:55:25


Post by: Imperial Monkey


Its more likely to be the rulebook since it has the catchphrase at the bottom: "In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war."


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:56:50


Post by: lord_blackfang


Nagashek wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:Looks kind of thin to be 440 pages. But it also can't be a Codex since it doesn't have the army name on the front. Colour me confused.


We're only really getting 2 dimensions on it. Everything else appears to be an artifact of the lighting.


But given the angle and expected thickness, the edge should be visible on the bottom. Unless it's an empty cover.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 14:57:12


Post by: Agamemnon2


Harriticus wrote:Horrible cover, it should stay with the theme of a Warhammer at the front and refrain from the use of any particular faction. Now it's just Space Marines 40,000.

Truth in advertising, though.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:00:49


Post by: lord_blackfang


If it is the cover, though, how long until we see some scans?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:08:38


Post by: Imperial Monkey


That said, it looks more like a piece of codex art (ie. hero surrounded by fighting troops...) and is a cool picture.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:12:58


Post by: lord_blackfang




Cover of the 4th edition mini rulebook. Just saying.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:16:39


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


Do'h *bangs head on keyboard* red x, not sure wher its being hosted but my work block is laughing at me.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:18:39


Post by: English Assassin


If genuine, disappointing, but not half so disappointing as the rumoured rule changes...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:21:15


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


No joy.

If someone could please host it here and bring it back I can see it.. no need to sign up either, it just hosts stuff.

http://imgur.com/


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:28:46


Post by: Etharin


Imgur for you, Morathi. http://imgur.com/j6jmv


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:30:35


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


Ah nice, and thank you kind sir.

Dark Angels eh, would explain the White Dwarf spine and no Codex rumoured this year.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:31:12


Post by: djphranq


If that's the front cover then I'm going to cover my book like I used to do with my text books. Give me my War Hammer.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:32:58


Post by: Kirasu


Odd, I didn't realize I'd be buying a 440 page black templar codex.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:33:42


Post by: FenWulf29


There will be hard back codexs in 6th ed, like in 8th ed WHFB


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:34:39


Post by: spaceXjam


Here you go Morathi's Darkest Sin.. an even more interesting picture

http://i.imgur.com/UPZKC.jpg


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:36:39


Post by: lord_blackfang


spaceXjam wrote:Here you go Morathi's Darkest Sin.. an even more interesting picture

http://i.imgur.com/UPZKC.jpg


Stop trolling with that old


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:38:00


Post by: 1hadhq


Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:No joy.

If someone could please host it here and bring it back I can see it.. no need to sign up either, it just hosts stuff.

http://imgur.com/



6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:39:02


Post by: spaceXjam


lord_blackfang wrote:
spaceXjam wrote:Here you go Morathi's Darkest Sin.. an even more interesting picture

http://i.imgur.com/UPZKC.jpg


Stop trolling with that old


is this old? i thought it was new my mistake.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 15:50:57


Post by: Quintinus


Looks like a really cool cover to me! This is a start of a good birthday haha
I also really like the fact that it has no borders, kind of like the RT rulebook.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:04:55


Post by: notprop


Looks like the same sort of production values as the newest WHFB books, which is a good thing.

Personally I couldn't give two rubs of a Gundars wotsit what it looks like, it's the contents that I care about!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:22:13


Post by: terranarc


ColdSadHungry wrote:Found this posted by Kaltenberg on Warseer:



Who knows whether it's real or not? Personally, I doubt it as I'd be expecting just some kind of hammer/shield rather than an actual army represented.


Looks fake but I lol'd so hard. Is a real good job.

GW loves space marines so much that they finally made it to the cover of the 40k rulebook.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:32:36


Post by: Darkseid


terranarc wrote:

Looks fake but I lol'd so hard. Is a real good job.

GW loves space marines so much that they finally made it to the cover of the 40k rulebook.


Those silly fakers are getting more cheeky by the minute. Now they even create top notch artwork to troll the community.

Btw. you guys surely realize that space marines have been on the cover of 3 out of 5 main rulebooks?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:33:54


Post by: Flashman


notprop wrote:Looks like the same sort of production values as the newest WHFB books, which is a good thing.

Personally I couldn't give two rubs of a Gundars wotsit what it looks like, it's the contents that I care about!


Indeed, never judge a book by its cover.



6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:36:31


Post by: FenWulf29


GUYS!! ive just realised in the past few white dwarfs the sides do not have the random background quote but instead they have had pictures of inquisitors, so maybe they're trying to tell us something


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:38:22


Post by: Kanluwen


1hadhq wrote:


Well...I like it.

And that most certainly is the Dark Angels on the cover, so that makes me happy.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:38:39


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


Cheers to the folks re-linking.. I should also note that I have no issues with this cover if it is accurate.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 16:56:27


Post by: d-usa


Maybe I am just cranky this morning, but I am getting tired of people yelling "this has always been" when they have no clue what they are talking about.

"GW has always had a warhammer on the rulebook!!!!"
"Ultramarines have always been the poster boys for Space Marines!!!!"

Now this cranky old man is getting ready for some soccer, I might be in a better mood if my team wins today...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:08:56


Post by: sirrah


terranarc wrote:
ColdSadHungry wrote:Found this posted by Kaltenberg on Warseer:



Who knows whether it's real or not? Personally, I doubt it as I'd be expecting just some kind of hammer/shield rather than an actual army represented.


Looks fake but I lol'd so hard. Is a real good job.

GW loves space marines so much that they finally made it to the cover of the 40k rulebook.


However, the majority of 40k editions have had Space Marines on the cover?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:15:05


Post by: BrookM


sirrah wrote:
terranarc wrote:
ColdSadHungry wrote:Found this posted by Kaltenberg on Warseer:



Who knows whether it's real or not? Personally, I doubt it as I'd be expecting just some kind of hammer/shield rather than an actual army represented.


Looks fake but I lol'd so hard. Is a real good job.

GW loves space marines so much that they finally made it to the cover of the 40k rulebook.


However, the majority of 40k editions have had Space Marines on the cover?
All of them.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:16:23


Post by: Chaos Legionnaire


Reminds me somewhat of a nicer version of the 3rd edition rulebook's cover art.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:26:16


Post by: Starfarer


d-usa wrote:Maybe I am just cranky this morning, but I am getting tired of people yelling "this has always been" when they have no clue what they are talking about.

"GW has always had a warhammer on the rulebook!!!!"
"Ultramarines have always been the poster boys for Space Marines!!!!"

Now this cranky old man is getting ready for some soccer, I might be in a better mood if my team wins today...


They've already got their pitchforks out. No point trying to stop them with facts or precedence.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:27:28


Post by: d-usa


I remember when Ork dreads were cardboard, those were the days.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:31:00


Post by: Kaisan


Those can't be dark angels, where are the hoods?

Plus the colors, red, black and white, those are black templars, look at the Sword Brethren Squad on the GW website, they're the same as the guy in the middle.

It doesn't look like a codex, nor a white dwarf. And it looks like it's hard covered (you can tell by having a look at the spine) , so i'd go with rulebook.
It doesn't have to be a hammer on the front, it hasn't always been that.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:36:23


Post by: TechMarine1


Where's the edition number?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:38:29


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


I don't think its something they keep a note of on the cover, Warhammer 8th for example did not reference it, neither did 5th.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 17:59:13


Post by: Slipstream


Any chance anyone can post a bigger picture so we can really have a good look at it? The marine at the front definitely looks like a Dark Angel, regardless of the colour of the robes of the main figure! Also if it was meant to be Templars shouldn't there be white on the shoulder pads?
If it is real, it could imply a leap forward in the fluff. Dark Angels in the ascendant anyone?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:05:13


Post by: English Assassin


Set of slipcased hardcovers? Rules, Wargear and Background?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:09:08


Post by: Ozymandias


d-usa wrote:I remember when Ork dreads were cardboard, those were the days.


OG Represent!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:16:31


Post by: d-usa


Ozymandias wrote:
d-usa wrote:I remember when Ork dreads were cardboard, those were the days.


OG Represent!


This game is TLOS?

*turns cardboard dread sideways...*


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:21:41


Post by: Grimgob


ColdSadHungry wrote:





Isn't this the whole image of the picture the White Dwarf spines have slowly been making up over the past few months?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:25:19


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


No, but it wouldn't surprise me if its in the book somewhere as page art. (The WD spine pic that is.)


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:30:20


Post by: Palindrome


d-usa wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:
d-usa wrote:I remember when Ork dreads were cardboard, those were the days.


OG Represent!


This game is TLOS?

*turns cardboard dread sideways...*


Its a genuine GW model so its tournament legal

I don't see how people are somehow thinking that this is a fake. If it is someone went to a lot of trouble to make some very detailed fan art and have it hard bound.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:32:42


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


High quality fan art at that.

Nah, I'd be happy to put a bet on this being the real deal, sadly no bookies would take me up on it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:35:35


Post by: BrookM


The art does fit in nicely with the current art style used for other GW books.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:40:38


Post by: kenzosan


I get the feeling I've seen that picture somewhere before. I can't quite put my finger on it though.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:49:11


Post by: BrookM


Maybe FFG?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:51:24


Post by: d-usa


Any ideas on what is in the background of the cover? Looks almost Tyranid like.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 18:57:36


Post by: BrookM


Looks like a generic gothic background to me.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 19:20:05


Post by: Brian P


Space Marines were on the cover of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd edition rulebooks.

It's entirely possible that GW will release multiple covers.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 20:29:18


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Spoiler alert?

Spoilers? Really?

Apparently some people take this way more seriously than I do...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 20:31:38


Post by: BrookM


I think someone needs his brightly coloured happy pills again!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 20:42:30


Post by: tetrisphreak


So obviously someone has a BRB, why haven't we seen any more snapshots of the back cover/quick reference/etc? Can someone who posts with the op on heresy or wherever clear that one up?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 20:49:17


Post by: lord_blackfang


H.B.M.C. wrote:Spoiler alert?

Spoilers? Really?

Apparently some people take this way more seriously than I do...


Yes. Yes they do. I have, in all seriousness, seen people (on Warseer) complain that seeing a Codex cover "spoiled" on the forum has ruined their enjoyment of looking forward to getting the book. Don't ask me why these people look at rumour threads and then complain about spoilers, though.

They're flying rodent gak insane, but they exist.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 20:52:39


Post by: ColdSadHungry


H.B.M.C. wrote:Spoiler alert?

Spoilers? Really?

Apparently some people take this way more seriously than I do...


I read someone else in the last 6th ed rumour thread ask whether a spoiler alert could be put into the thread title if there was a leaked picture of the cover so I did that. Just trying to be a conscientious member of the forums, that's all


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 20:59:13


Post by: Astartesworkshop


Ahhh cardboard ork dread, i still use mine!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:01:35


Post by: SilverMK2


Mine is around somewhere in one of my boxes of misc terrain and bits of stuff


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:03:31


Post by: VI th legion


To all those saying that the marines on the cover are Black Templars: why would a Templar have tactical squad markings, a red bolter, and dark shoulder pads?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:05:30


Post by: SilverMK2


VI th legion wrote:To all those saying that the marines on the cover are Black Templars: why would a Templar have tactical squad markings, a red bolter, and dark shoulder pads?


Making a fashion statement.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:07:21


Post by: N.I.B.


Imperial Monkey wrote:Its more likely to be the rulebook since it has the catchphrase at the bottom: "In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war."

I'm sorry but you misread, it says "In the grim darkness of the far future of three weeks ahead, there are only Space Marines".


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:08:38


Post by: erikwfg


Because BT and DA will somehow be crammed into the same book and use the same rules. I set low expectations.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:08:42


Post by: Fafnir


lord_blackfang wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Spoiler alert?

Spoilers? Really?

Apparently some people take this way more seriously than I do...


Yes. Yes they do. I have, in all seriousness, seen people (on Warseer) complain that seeing a Codex cover "spoiled" on the forum has ruined their enjoyment of looking forward to getting the book. Don't ask me why these people look at rumour threads and then complain about spoilers, though.

They're flying rodent gak insane, but they exist.


Well, seeing the cover art of the Blood Angels codex tends to have that effect on anyone, really.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:08:44


Post by: d-usa


Oh noez, in a game played by humans the company selling the game to humans puts their best humans on the cover!

Those bastards...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:11:17


Post by: SilverMK2


d-usa wrote:Oh noez, in a game played by humans the company selling the game to humans puts their best humans on the cover!

Those bastards...


An argument for Soylent Green if ever I heard one...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:12:23


Post by: d-usa


SilverMK2 wrote:
d-usa wrote:Oh noez, in a game played by humans the company selling the game to humans puts their best humans on the cover!

Those bastards...


An argument for Soylent Green if ever I heard one...


Is that the name of the new green GW is selling to paint their Dark Angels?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 21:13:21


Post by: SilverMK2


d-usa wrote:Is that the name of the new green GW is selling to paint their Dark Angels?


No, that is "Emo Green".








*Hides from Kan*


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 23:09:53


Post by: English Assassin


SilverMK2 wrote:
d-usa wrote:Is that the name of the new green GW is selling to paint their Dark Angels?

No, that is "Emo Green".

Now, now, we all know that colour's proper name: it's "Salamander Green".


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 23:27:39


Post by: MajorWesJanson


SilverMK2 wrote:
VI th legion wrote:To all those saying that the marines on the cover are Black Templars: why would a Templar have tactical squad markings, a red bolter, and dark shoulder pads?


Making a fashion statement.


And the winged sword on his backpack?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 23:58:13


Post by: H.B.M.C.


lord_blackfang wrote:Yes. Yes they do. I have, in all seriousness, seen people (on Warseer) complain that seeing a Codex cover "spoiled" on the forum has ruined their enjoyment of looking forward to getting the book. Don't ask me why these people look at rumour threads and then complain about spoilers, though.


That's not sad. It's not even tragic.

It's frightening!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/17 23:58:58


Post by: Harriticus


I remember when we thought the WD spines meant a Dark Angels codex.

Because, you know, surely a Space Marine wouldn't mean a new rulebook. There's more to 40k then space marines....

Here's to removing all xenos and making IG/SoB retinue choices for 7th! In Marinehammer 40,000, there is only the pwning of Chaos Space Marines, because at least they used to be Space Marines.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:01:50


Post by: Brother SRM


There were Space Marines on the covers of the first three rulebooks of the game. Quit your bitching.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:03:36


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Hell, 2nd Ed had three different rulebooks (kinda), all three with Marines (Crimson Fists for one, Blood Angels for the other two).


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:08:31


Post by: warpcrafter


I just had some delicious ice cream.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:50:45


Post by: d-usa


Harriticus wrote:I remember when we thought the WD spines meant a Dark Angels codex.

Because, you know, surely a Space Marine wouldn't mean a new rulebook. There's more to 40k then space marines....

Here's to removing all xenos and making IG/SoB retinue choices for 7th! In Marinehammer 40,000, there is only the pwning of Chaos Space Marines, because at least they used to be Space Marines.


This crap is really getting tiresome.

People who have no earthly clue what the hell they are talking about, who act like there is some sudden shift in the way GW is marketing their game.

1st, 2nd, 3rd all had Space Marines on the cover. The chapter changed, but it was always Space Marines.

It is nothing new. It is nothing unusual. So if you want to bitch and moan about some 'new development' then please be sure to pick some 'new development' that has not been around since the very first rulebook was published 25 years ago.

[/rant]


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:51:48


Post by: erikwfg


lol you mad


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:55:33


Post by: d-usa


erikwfg wrote:lol you mad


Please use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation in accordance with the rules of DakkaDakka.

Thank you kindly,

d-usa

[/rant2]


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:57:27


Post by: erikwfg


I was actually going to agree somewhat with the post you quoted, but you scared me away (but I ran away laughing).


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 00:58:26


Post by: d-usa


erikwfg wrote:I was actually going to agree somewhat with the post you quoted, but you scared me away (but I ran away laughing).


I was messing around in the spirit of ranting, hence the smiley at the end.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 01:07:32


Post by: Starfarer


d-usa wrote:
Harriticus wrote:I remember when we thought the WD spines meant a Dark Angels codex.

Because, you know, surely a Space Marine wouldn't mean a new rulebook. There's more to 40k then space marines....

Here's to removing all xenos and making IG/SoB retinue choices for 7th! In Marinehammer 40,000, there is only the pwning of Chaos Space Marines, because at least they used to be Space Marines.


This crap is really getting tiresome.

People who have no earthly clue what the hell they are talking about, who act like there is some sudden shift in the way GW is marketing their game.

1st, 2nd, 3rd all had Space Marines on the cover. The chapter changed, but it was always Space Marines.

It is nothing new. It is nothing unusual. So if you want to bitch and moan about some 'new development' then please be sure to pick some 'new development' that has not been around since the very first rulebook was published 25 years ago.

[/rant]


The world is full of people who have no clue what they are talking about, but will talk as if they are the world's foremost expert on the subject. This forum just seems to have a much higher percentage, especially in regards to anything GW related. No point getting worked up over it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 01:15:13


Post by: d-usa


Could I at least beat everybody that complains about GW starting to put Space Marines on the cover with all previous editions of the rulebook featuring Space Marines on the cover?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 01:25:49


Post by: Starfarer


You beat them in a sense, but then you will inevitably get dragged down by "u mad?" comments in a wave of unending wave of pure, unbridled idiocy.

Then you rise from the ashes, and from all across the vastness of the internet they will gather to proclaim you "White Knight" and all knowledge you possess will mean nothing in the face of entitled nerds who believe this game was made specifically for them. Which it obviously was, and GW is changing it now because they hate us.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 01:37:19


Post by: DiabolicAl


For the record:

1st Ed: Crimson Fists
2nd Ed Crimson Fists (BA on wargear and Codex imperialis)
3rd Ed Black Templars
4th Ed no marines
5th Ed no marines

So marines on the cover would actually be a return to the norm for GW.

For what its worth i dont hate the new cover, i think its ok. I think it will look a little odd on the shelf however. Anyway i dont really care, its the stuff inside i want to see...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 01:53:42


Post by: kronk


I don't play DA, but I like this if legit. Not sure why there's drama over it.

Let's roll!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 01:59:28


Post by: tetrisphreak


Someone take a photo of the inside of the book!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 02:22:13


Post by: warpcrafter


DiabolicAl wrote:For the record:

1st Ed: Crimson Fists
2nd Ed Crimson Fists (BA on wargear and Codex imperialis)
3rd Ed Black Templars
4th Ed no marines
5th Ed no marines

So marines on the cover would actually be a return to the norm for GW.

For what its worth i dont hate the new cover, i think its ok. I think it will look a little odd on the shelf however. Anyway i dont really care, its the stuff inside i want to see...


Yes, 5th ed did too have marines on the cover. In the background there is a monochrome woodcut with marines on the left and Orks on the right. WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 02:24:05


Post by: JBrehaut


NoBaconz4You wrote:I find it very hard to believe considering there's no sign of a 'war hammer', something that has appeared in some form or another on the front of almost every recent rulebook.

1
2
3
4
5

I could be wrong though.

Although there are DA on the front cover. I did think BT at first but the red arrow on the closest marine's shoulder pad made me think otherwise.




3rd edition rulebook


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 02:27:46


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Cadaver wrote:You beat them in a sense, but then you will inevitably get dragged down by "u mad?" comments in a wave of unending wave of pure, unbridled idiocy.

Then you rise from the ashes, and from all across the vastness of the internet they will gather to proclaim you "White Knight" and all knowledge you possess will mean nothing in the face of entitled nerds who believe this game was made specifically for them. Which it obviously was, and GW is changing it now because they hate us.



Ahhh! Can you grind that axe somewhere else. The noise is deafening.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 02:34:49


Post by: DiabolicAl


warpcrafter wrote:
DiabolicAl wrote:For the record:

1st Ed: Crimson Fists
2nd Ed Crimson Fists (BA on wargear and Codex imperialis)
3rd Ed Black Templars
4th Ed no marines
5th Ed no marines

So marines on the cover would actually be a return to the norm for GW.

For what its worth i dont hate the new cover, i think its ok. I think it will look a little odd on the shelf however. Anyway i dont really care, its the stuff inside i want to see...


Yes, 5th ed did too have marines on the cover. In the background there is a monochrome woodcut with marines on the left and Orks on the right. WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!


So it does, i never noticed that before. But then i also only just noticed that the background of 4th ed is that old John Blanche picture..


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 02:52:45


Post by: Lockark


Realy I almost want to see the back cover of the book more. I want to see if their is any pitchers that will hint at what is in the next starter box/confirm DA vs. Chaos.

I like how Dark Angles are the worst kept secret that they will be in the new starter box, But their hasn't been nearly as much confirmation in regards to Chaos being in the box. Even at this point.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 03:31:09


Post by: Starfarer


H.B.M.C. wrote:
Cadaver wrote:You beat them in a sense, but then you will inevitably get dragged down by "u mad?" comments in a wave of unending wave of pure, unbridled idiocy.

Then you rise from the ashes, and from all across the vastness of the internet they will gather to proclaim you "White Knight" and all knowledge you possess will mean nothing in the face of entitled nerds who believe this game was made specifically for them. Which it obviously was, and GW is changing it now because they hate us.



Ahhh! Can you grind that axe somewhere else. The noise is deafening.


Touch a nerve?

If you couldn't tell I was be facetious. I'm not going to waste my time taking this stuff seriously because it's pretty obvious what the level of debate there is to be had here. Between every 3rd comment repeatedly proving people won't let their lack of knowledge about something as basic as what has been on the cover of previously rulebooks get in the way of some GW bashing.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 03:44:20


Post by: Galdos


I like this "cover"

If it is the legit 6th Ill be happy.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 03:53:33


Post by: Lockark


I just realized reading threw this and other threads their are some people who are already judging 6th ed based on this cover. LITTERLY judging a book by it's cover. This makes me lawl.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:01:43


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Lockark wrote:I just realized reading threw this and other threads their are some people who are already judging 6th ed based on this cover. LITTERLY judging a book by it's cover. This makes me lawl.


Well if those inconsiderate good-fer-nuthin’ rumour-mongers (that are ruining the HHHobby) hadn’t spoiled the whole book (and the 6th Ed release) by taking a blurry photo of the front cover, we wouldn’t have this problem, would we?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:15:29


Post by: WarOne


Lockark wrote:I just realized reading threw this and other threads their are some people who are already judging 6th ed based on this cover. LITTERLY judging a book by it's cover. This makes me lawl.


The reason is is that GW gives us very little to actually criticize beforehand. We have nothing concrete to actually critique at this point since all we've seen released is a non-information teaser trailer on youtube and a slightly fuzzy cover shot to what could be the 6th edition rulebook.

So yeah, if there was any judgement for anything, we have exactly two pieces of information to judge 6th edition with...AND we're less than two weeks away from launch.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:35:01


Post by: Quintinus


DiabolicAl wrote:
warpcrafter wrote:
DiabolicAl wrote:For the record:

1st Ed: Crimson Fists
2nd Ed Crimson Fists (BA on wargear and Codex imperialis)
3rd Ed Black Templars
4th Ed no marines
5th Ed no marines

So marines on the cover would actually be a return to the norm for GW.

For what its worth i dont hate the new cover, i think its ok. I think it will look a little odd on the shelf however. Anyway i dont really care, its the stuff inside i want to see...


Yes, 5th ed did too have marines on the cover. In the background there is a monochrome woodcut with marines on the left and Orks on the right. WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!


So it does, i never noticed that before. But then i also only just noticed that the background of 4th ed is that old John Blanche picture..


Okay I normally am not like this but the picture on the 4th edition book is by a dude named Wil Rees haha
It's all good though, they both did weird stuff so it's easy to get them confused

For those wondering what I'm talking about, look at this picture and then at your 4th edition 40k rulebook if you still have it


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:35:40


Post by: deggreg@yahoo.com


Harriticus wrote:I remember when we thought the WD spines meant a Dark Angels codex.

Because, you know, surely a Space Marine wouldn't mean a new rulebook. There's more to 40k then space marines....

Here's to removing all xenos and making IG/SoB retinue choices for 7th! In Marinehammer 40,000, there is only the pwning of Chaos Space Marines, because at least they used to be Space Marines.


wth. Last time I check, Necrons had a nice makeover in the past 6 months and are insanely good now. Dark Eldar are amazing in-game and Ork's continue to get tons of love, the Bommers are incredible and orks can be pretty awesome in the right hands.

That being said, dude...the main characters in the 40K universe are Space Marines....they are us to a degree, the entire universe is told through their eyes. From the black library, through to the codices. Do you really think that the Tau called one of their vehicles a "Hammerhead"? no..that's an earth term relating to an earth Shark...the entire universe is seen through the imperiums eyes, hence...Space Marines are the main players and always will be.

That being said, first look at the cover...looks kinda blah...but the more I look at it, the more I like it....I'm excited...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:36:04


Post by: Harriticus


Meh, was hardly into 40k over the 2nd/3rd/4th periods but I became attracted to the game through the lore, and looking at the way lore evolved through the editions I always felt beyond 3rd edition (which saw more non-Imperial factions) it was proper to represent the rulebook with the warhammer seen on 4th and 5th.

Plus I don't see why because past editions had Marines on them, that makes it okay. If I wasn't a little annoying kid but rather my present little annoying adult state back when 3rd and 2nd eds were out I'd have complained about Marines there too. GW has been stupid with the fantastic universe they've created for quite some time, though it was at its best at 3rd Edition before a decline again.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:52:25


Post by: Altruizine


H.B.M.C. wrote:...the HHHobby...

Man, you are trying really hard to make this stick.

Is there even a punchline behind it, or is it a more-or-less arbitrary neologism? I love it when people take GW to task, but it's always better when there's some wit underpinning the gibes.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:55:42


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Harriticus wrote:Plus I don't see why because past editions had Marines on them, that makes it okay.


Make it ok?

It doesn't make it 'ok' or 'not ok' because it doesn't matter. It's a cover FFS!



Altruizine wrote:Man, you are trying really hard to make this stick.


I don't need 'make' anything 'stick'. It's already stuck. I didn't invent it (I believe that honour goes to Kill Krazy) and I'm not the only one saying it.



6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 04:57:49


Post by: Harriticus


Is it only a cover? Yes.

But in a thread about a cover, the cover is the main discussion.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 05:29:52


Post by: Sidstyler


Lockark wrote:LITTERLY judging a book by it's cover. This makes me lawl.


LITTERLY


Speaking of "lawl"...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 06:03:06


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Makes me lawl. Literally.



6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 06:09:34


Post by: Xca|iber


For the uninitiated, what exactly does "HHHobby" mean? I saw it come up awhile ago and now I see it everywhere.

Also, on topic: I really wish GW would start listing the edition number on all its books. Just a pet peeve. Nothing much to say about this "leak" however. If that's the final cover, so be it - I'm more interested about what's inside the book.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 06:13:41


Post by: RatBot


"HHHobby" was a term coined by KilKrazy (I believe) to disparagingly refer to what GW calls "The Games Workshop Hobby", which is term they coined to try to make people think that GW games are somehow part of an entirely different hobby than other tabletop wargames ("Sure, you could play Malifaux, but that's not part of The Hobby!"). Haters and Black Knights have now adopted it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 06:14:24


Post by: Reivax26


So its a Dark Angel? Don't really know why that would be such a crazy thing as they are the next loyalist group in line for a codex.

All I want is for the stuff inside the book to actually fix the stuff that's broken with the game.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 06:26:52


Post by: Altruizine


RatBot wrote:"HHHobby" was a term coined by KilKrazy (I believe) to disparagingly refer to what GW calls "The Games Workshop Hobby", which is term they coined to try to make people think that GW games are somehow part of an entirely different hobby than other tabletop wargames ("Sure, you could play Malifaux, but that's not part of The Hobby!"). Haters and Black Knights have now adopted it.

So is it an acronym, or does it have a punchline, or anything like that? Or is it arbitrary?

I hope it doesn't sound like I expect you to personally answer that, btw, since you seem to be a helpful bystander rather than an actual practitioner of the wordplay in question. But if one of those dudes could answer I'd be obliged.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 06:58:06


Post by: azazel the cat


Reivax26 wrote:So its a Dark Angel? Don't really know why that would be such a crazy thing as they are the next loyalist group in line for a codex.

All I want is for the stuff inside the book to actually fix the stuff that's broken with the game.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA really though, best wishes to you.



Altruizine wrote:
RatBot wrote:"HHHobby" was a term coined by KilKrazy (I believe) to disparagingly refer to what GW calls "The Games Workshop Hobby", which is term they coined to try to make people think that GW games are somehow part of an entirely different hobby than other tabletop wargames ("Sure, you could play Malifaux, but that's not part of The Hobby!"). Haters and Black Knights have now adopted it.

So is it an acronym, or does it have a punchline, or anything like that? Or is it arbitrary?

I've always interpreted it as something of an overly aggressive first-syllable drawl, akin to a game show announcer.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 07:10:47


Post by: Altruizine


I thought that could be it, but the capitalization is at odds with that interpretation (since "Hhhobby" would be a better textual representation of that imagined enunciation).


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 07:27:41


Post by: Ledabot


Can someone enhance that image? I want to see what the words at the bottom say.

Something about there being only war? looks like a rulebook to me.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 07:51:01


Post by: DiabolicAl


IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR... how can you nor know that? Really?

Its been the grimdark motto for over 15 years.....


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 07:58:18


Post by: Breotan


Every time I look at that cover art, I see a Black Templar painting that's been photoshopped into a Dark Angels painting. Something like that happened once before on the forums, IIRC (Imperial Fists & Black Templars or something).


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 08:19:59


Post by: Agamemnon2


That was Blood Angels to Imperial Fists. This one's not photoshopped, however. If it were, you'd be able to find the original somewhere. End of story.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 08:24:18


Post by: Pacific


Altruizine wrote:
RatBot wrote:"HHHobby" was a term coined by KilKrazy (I believe) to disparagingly refer to what GW calls "The Games Workshop Hobby", which is term they coined to try to make people think that GW games are somehow part of an entirely different hobby than other tabletop wargames ("Sure, you could play Malifaux, but that's not part of The Hobby!"). Haters and Black Knights have now adopted it.

So is it an acronym, or does it have a punchline, or anything like that? Or is it arbitrary?

I hope it doesn't sound like I expect you to personally answer that, btw, since you seem to be a helpful bystander rather than an actual practitioner of the wordplay in question. But if one of those dudes could answer I'd be obliged.


I believe it was a reference to a character sketch on a comedy show. I can't remember the name of it unfortunately, it's got one of the guys from the show 'Big Train' doing a mock-TV show about different types of hobby. Basically he's a bit of a nerdy lunatic, and uses the word 'hobby' about 100 times. Sorry I can't be more specific, perhaps someone else remembers the name?



6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 09:40:35


Post by: Steve steveson


Agamemnon2 wrote:That was Blood Angels to Imperial Fists. This one's not photoshopped, however. If it were, you'd be able to find the original somewhere. End of story.


Yep. It dosn't look photoshoped to me in those areas. There is something odd going on just under the 40k logo. That might be the word CODEX removed or (more likely) noise from using a cheap camara or mobile phone to take the photo.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 10:26:16


Post by: Ledabot


DiabolicAl wrote:IN THE GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE THERE IS ONLY WAR... how can you not know that? Really?

Its been the grimdark motto for over 15 years.....


I knew that, but writing out the whole thing would have not reinforced my point, at all. It was more of a joke than actual seriousness, so if I upset you, I am sorry.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 10:29:00


Post by: BrookM


If GW were to change that motto, now that would be something!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 10:30:39


Post by: Ledabot


Badam tish! Best troll by GW yet.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 11:52:28


Post by: Claimh_Solais


Hope that's not 6ed rulebook anyway I do not mind the image or that it is Dark angels ... but think it's a pretty lame picture to have on the entire rulebook ..should be something for everyone, not a marine chapter (how dont even have a proper dex when it comes out


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 12:24:04


Post by: Nevelon


JBrehaut wrote:


3rd edition rulebook


Lies. 3rd edition didn't actually have a cover. The first print run had binding issues and they all fell off the first time you opened your book. In GW's defense, they realized the problem and mailed out replacements.

Who cares what the cover looks like, I'll be glad it it stays on the book!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 13:52:03


Post by: pretre


Added this to the rumor tracking thread, assuming Kaltenberg was the first.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 14:19:02


Post by: Mad4Minis


Reivax26 wrote:

All I want is for the stuff inside the book to actually fix the stuff that's broken with the game.


As much as I agree...I also realize its not going to happen.

They are going to make some changes, how much we dont know yet. However, to fix EVERYTHING thats broken with the game would require a complete rewrite of the entire game and all the codexes. Why?...because the biggest problem with the game is lack of balance. IMO this stems from a lack of a construction system...which assigns stats with set points value. Instead GW simply makes up stats, characters, etc and assigns them random points values.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 14:54:58


Post by: themonk


I like the cover and the artwork looks gorgeous. It's a departure from the style of 4th and 5th but cool nonetheless. For those that think the cover should illustrate the conflict of multiple factions, I feel your pain, but, 40k is the story of mankind and the Imperium (i.e., Space Marines).


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 15:09:16


Post by: English Assassin


Mad4Minis wrote:However, to fix EVERYTHING thats broken with the game would require a complete rewrite of the entire game and all the codexes. Why?...because the biggest problem with the game is lack of balance. IMO this stems from a lack of a construction system...which assigns stats with set points value. Instead GW simply makes up stats, characters, etc and assigns them random points values.

I agree with your assessment of the problem (and indeed that the only solution would be a rewrite from the ground upwards), but it's worth pointing out that a construction system (which the game had back in the days of Rogue Trader, and which still largely informed points values in 2nd Ed.) has its own problems, since it can't in isolation account for synergies between choices. Both editions allowed for horrendously unbalanced armies (Orks and Chaos in RT, Eldar and Tyranids in 2E) despite calculating points values from a supposedly-absolute basis.

I'd be fascinated to know, if anybody could enlighten me, how the GW studio assign points values nowadays - whether they work from some kind of mathematical model and then adjust values after playtesting, or whether it's degenerated into writers making their best guesses (and then, arguably, shaving a few points off to make the newest codex more competitive - see the Space Wolves and Grey Knights codices by way of example).


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 15:50:57


Post by: angel of ecstasy


I want the rulebook to have Vespid Stingwings or Eldar Shining Spears on the cover.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 15:55:19


Post by: Dog.


So the most popular, well-known and fleshed-out 'faction' in GW's universe gets front cover on their flagship rulebook? SHOCK HORROR.

This will be the first GW book I would have bought since 3rd Ed, simply because the cover is gorgeous. Only 12 days to go!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 16:00:58


Post by: Brother SRM


Ledabot wrote:Can someone enhance that image? I want to see what the words at the bottom say.

Something about there being only war? looks like a rulebook to me.


Sure thing!

ENHANCE

ENHANCE

ENHANCE DAMN YOU

Enhancing only happens on shows like CSI. It doesn't actually exist.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 16:06:25


Post by: Kanluwen


It says "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war."


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 16:36:13


Post by: angel of ecstasy


Brother SRM wrote:
Ledabot wrote:Can someone enhance that image? I want to see what the words at the bottom say.

Something about there being only war? looks like a rulebook to me.


Sure thing!

[.....]

Enhancing only happens on shows like CSI. It doesn't actually exist.

Oh man, oh man. That is comedy at its best. "Enhance". Give me a god damn break.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 16:49:48


Post by: Daemonhammer


Cant wait for the 6th edition


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 16:50:19


Post by: CptCortez128


More likely a DA dex and the title will be nicely embossed on the spine

... And come on people, save your nerd rage for release ;-) annoys me when people write books off before they have even seen or read them... Get over yourself or go play war machine ;-)

Liam


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 16:52:19


Post by: lord_blackfang


CptCortez128 wrote:More likely a DA dex and the title will be nicely embossed on the spine

... And come on people, save your nerd rage for release ;-) annoys me when people write books off before they have even seen or read them... Get over yourself or go play war machine ;-)

Liam


But I can tell from the light glare and the leather jacket in the background that this will be the worst edition ever!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 16:58:28


Post by: d-usa


Can't you tell by the pixels???


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:06:50


Post by: infinite_array


It doesn't matter. That cover is totally a fake. Photoshopped, probably. I've seen a lot of photos and been in plenty of shops, so trust me.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:11:38


Post by: BrookM


But have you worked in a shop? That's the deal breaker here.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:18:21


Post by: infinite_array


I worked in a shop with photos in it, yes.

Specifically in the gardening section, but that's beside the point.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:23:09


Post by: BrookM


You sir, are a true expert on this matter and I'm sure that I speak for everyone when I say, thank you for lending us your expertise.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:26:54


Post by: Davylove21


Why is it, in this day and age, that all the leaked photos are low resolution squintfests?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:30:55


Post by: Melcavuk


I'd assume that a requirement of being a super spy is a shaky hand, poor focus and a low res camera? That said the cover doesn't look too objectionable, I'm not blown away by it at any rate but it looks 40Kish and I enjoy marines so... eh.

I don't often spend alot of time staring at my current rulebooks cover though so as long as the rules are sound I'll be happy.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:36:22


Post by: Kristobai


That looks more like a book (Black Library) cover.. Specially since the last 2 (mebes 3) 40k Rule Books have not had characters on them just a hammer


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:37:57


Post by: lord_blackfang


Kristobai wrote: the last 2 (mebes 3) 40k Rule Books have not had characters on them just a hammer


One and a half.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:39:52


Post by: Brother SRM


Davylove21 wrote:Why is it, in this day and age, that all the leaked photos are low resolution squintfests?

Not everybody has a nice cameraphone I guess.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 17:41:56


Post by: loki old fart


Davylove21 wrote:Why is it, in this day and age, that all the leaked photos are low resolution squintfests?


Mobile phone camera?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 18:33:30


Post by: azazel the cat


Davylove21 wrote:Why is it, in this day and age, that all the leaked photos are low resolution squintfests?

Because manual focus has become a lost art.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 19:16:30


Post by: Breotan


loki old fart wrote:
Davylove21 wrote:Why is it, in this day and age, that all the leaked photos are low resolution squintfests?
Mobile phone camera?
My phone camera can take some pretty decent pictures.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 19:30:56


Post by: CURNOW


Pacific wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
RatBot wrote:"HHHobby" was a term coined by KilKrazy (I believe) to disparagingly refer to what GW calls "The Games Workshop Hobby", which is term they coined to try to make people think that GW games are somehow part of an entirely different hobby than other tabletop wargames ("Sure, you could play Malifaux, but that's not part of The Hobby!"). Haters and Black Knights have now adopted it.

So is it an acronym, or does it have a punchline, or anything like that? Or is it arbitrary?

I hope it doesn't sound like I expect you to personally answer that, btw, since you seem to be a helpful bystander rather than an actual practitioner of the wordplay in question. But if one of those dudes could answer I'd be obliged.


I believe it was a reference to a character sketch on a comedy show. I can't remember the name of it unfortunately, it's got one of the guys from the show 'Big Train' doing a mock-TV show about different types of hobby. Basically he's a bit of a nerdy lunatic, and uses the word 'hobby' about 100 times. Sorry I can't be more specific, perhaps someone else remembers the name?




it was from "fist of fun" with the hhhobby master simon quinlank who's hhhobys included train ignoreing / old person collecting / antique smashing . and of course dont forget your flask of weak lemon drink !


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:09:33


Post by: oni


Other thread locked...

It is now confirmed that the trade sales managers have seen the new rule book.

Can anyone get confirmation from them that the leaked picture is real?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:10:17


Post by: Kanluwen


oni wrote:Other thread locked...

It is now confirmed that the retail sales managers have see the new rule book.

Can anyone get confirmation from them that the leaked picture is real?

Trade sales managers not retail sales managers.

Trade sales are the guys who deal with the independents.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:11:43


Post by: oni


Kanluwen wrote:
oni wrote:Other thread locked...

It is now confirmed that the retail sales managers have see the new rule book.

Can anyone get confirmation from them that the leaked picture is real?

Trade sales managers not retail sales managers.

Trade sales are the guys who deal with the independents.


My mistake, thank you. Post corrected.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:11:51


Post by: pretre


And I'm not sure that 'confirmed' was quite the word for it. It was 'alleged' that TSM have seen it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:12:58


Post by: Kanluwen


oni wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
oni wrote:Other thread locked...

It is now confirmed that the retail sales managers have see the new rule book.

Can anyone get confirmation from them that the leaked picture is real?

Trade sales managers not retail sales managers.

Trade sales are the guys who deal with the independents.


My mistake, thank you. Post corrected.

Hope you didn't think I was jumping on you for it; just wanted to make sure people don't start mobbing their local shop managers with accusations of lying.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:13:28


Post by: oni


pretre wrote:And I'm not sure that 'confirmed' was quite the word for it. It was 'alleged' that TSM have seen it.


Well if they can confirm or deny the legitimacy of the leaked picture then I guess we'll know for sure.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:14:15


Post by: pretre


oni wrote:
pretre wrote:And I'm not sure that 'confirmed' was quite the word for it. It was 'alleged' that TSM have seen it.


Well if they can confirm or deny the legitimacy of the leaked picture then I guess we'll know for sure.

Well then they will have allegedly seen the alleged leaked picture and confirmed (or denied) that is is real or not.

lol


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 21:15:45


Post by: oni


Kanluwen wrote:
oni wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
oni wrote:Other thread locked...

It is now confirmed that the retail sales managers have see the new rule book.

Can anyone get confirmation from them that the leaked picture is real?

Trade sales managers not retail sales managers.

Trade sales are the guys who deal with the independents.


My mistake, thank you. Post corrected.

Hope you didn't think I was jumping on you for it; just wanted to make sure people don't start mobbing their local shop managers with accusations of lying.


No worries, and you make an excellent point. I can picture the teeming masses rushing the counter screaming and yelling to sate their curiosity.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 22:03:37


Post by: Dog.


3rd Edition had Black Templars in the starter set, and the front cover of both the set and the rulebook was Black Templars.

Seeing as the rumours about Dark Angels being in the starter set popped up a while back (before we saw the book cover), and now a book cover has been leaked with Dark Angels on the front (in a very similar style to 3rd), you can bet your arse that this is the 6th Edition rulebook. There's not even any point in deliberating over it anymore.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 22:13:27


Post by: azazel the cat


I'm somewhat confused by how much everyone seems to care about what picture is on the cover of one of the three potentially different-covered books.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 22:23:17


Post by: loki old fart


It's not what's on the outside that counts


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 23:38:04


Post by: Farseer Jenkins


d-usa wrote:Maybe I am just cranky this morning, but I am getting tired of people yelling "this has always been" when they have no clue what they are talking about.

"GW has always had a warhammer on the rulebook!!!!"
"Ultramarines have always been the poster boys for Space Marines!!!!"

Now this cranky old man is getting ready for some soccer, I might be in a better mood if my team wins today...



What purpose did this post provide, I am just curious. The 40k rulebooks of old depicted scenes of space marines for the first 3 books, the warhammer thing is new only for the last 2 editions, anyone who says otherwise is nuts.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/18 23:48:28


Post by: d-usa


Farseer Jenkins wrote:
d-usa wrote:Maybe I am just cranky this morning, but I am getting tired of people yelling "this has always been" when they have no clue what they are talking about.

"GW has always had a warhammer on the rulebook!!!!"
"Ultramarines have always been the poster boys for Space Marines!!!!"

Now this cranky old man is getting ready for some soccer, I might be in a better mood if my team wins today...



What purpose did this post provide, I am just curious. The 40k rulebooks of old depicted scenes of space marines for the first 3 books, the warhammer thing is new only for the last 2 editions, anyone who says otherwise is nuts.


It provided the exact same purpose as your post. To point out that "GW is getting more SM focused" is not some new development.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 01:16:13


Post by: infinite_array


So, just as a thought... would it not be possible that what we're looking at is a WIP of the Dark Angels codex? I mean, it follows the 'cool dude posing surrounded by other cool posing dudes' method of other recent codices.

Also, remembering GW's target market - 10-18 year old boys - wouldn't it make more sense to continue using the hammer?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 01:28:20


Post by: Brother SRM


infinite_array wrote:
Also, remembering GW's target market - 10-18 year old boys - wouldn't it make more sense to continue using the hammer?

Do boys have a strange attraction to hammers during puberty? I know I got all the way through highschool without any explicit desire to use a hammer.

Facetiousness aside, I don't know exactly what you're getting at here.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 01:34:46


Post by: infinite_array


Brother SRM wrote:
infinite_array wrote:
Also, remembering GW's target market - 10-18 year old boys - wouldn't it make more sense to continue using the hammer?

Do boys have a strange attraction to hammers during puberty? I know I got all the way through highschool without any explicit desire to use a hammer.

Facetiousness aside, I don't know exactly what you're getting at here.


Right, sorry. Should've explained there more.

What I meant was, the continued use of a similar image. If the person who GW wants to keep buying their stuff has only been in the game for 2 editions at most, and only 1 edition being more likely, why make a switch to a different cover? 6th, 7th, and 8th Editions of Fantasy, and 4th and 5th Editions of 40k have used the Hammer motif. To them, Fantasy and 40k is instantly recognizable by the hammer on the cover, so why change it now?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 01:36:43


Post by: Fafnir


Because SPHESS MAHRINES are even more recognizable, no matter how you cut it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 01:42:21


Post by: Denkstrum


Well the Sales guy confirmed the photo is the actual BRB for 6th edition and allies are in for 6th edition to our store.

In other news, this is just GW strategy to get people talking and excited/anticipated for 6th edition. We are all playing right into their hands. Masterful work GW, now shut up and take my money.



6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 01:51:55


Post by: infinite_array


Oh, oh! Allies. Ok, here's my theory on that. We've seen a few people say that thanks to GW's prices, they've seen a drop in the amount of players who buy 2nd and 3rd and 4th armies.

But allies are the solution to that. It'll be like Mercenaries and Minions in Warmachine/Hordes. You'll pick up a unit here and there, and the next thing you'll know, hey, you only need to spend another $100 or so and you'll have a whole new army!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 01:56:29


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Denkstrum wrote:In other news, this is just GW strategy to get people talking and excited/anticipated for 6th edition. We are all playing right into their hands. Masterful work GW, now shut up and take my money.


Never attribute to competence that which can be... and so on and so forth.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 03:20:21


Post by: Lockark


infinite_array wrote:Oh, oh! Allies. Ok, here's my theory on that. We've seen a few people say that thanks to GW's prices, they've seen a drop in the amount of players who buy 2nd and 3rd and 4th armies.

But allies are the solution to that. It'll be like Mercenaries and Minions in Warmachine/Hordes. You'll pick up a unit here and there, and the next thing you'll know, hey, you only need to spend another $100 or so and you'll have a whole new army!


Or you know. It's just the 40k verstion of the allie rules for Fantsey. As in rules for 2vs.2 games.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 03:27:14


Post by: infinite_array


Lockark wrote:
infinite_array wrote:Oh, oh! Allies. Ok, here's my theory on that. We've seen a few people say that thanks to GW's prices, they've seen a drop in the amount of players who buy 2nd and 3rd and 4th armies.

But allies are the solution to that. It'll be like Mercenaries and Minions in Warmachine/Hordes. You'll pick up a unit here and there, and the next thing you'll know, hey, you only need to spend another $100 or so and you'll have a whole new army!


Or you know. It's just the 40k verstion of the allie rules for Fantsey. As in rules for 2vs.2 games.


redcapscorner wrote:
I'm a store owner, and I just got off the phone with my GW rep. The GW sales team in the US has had a chance to look through the 6th edition books at this point, and he was able to confirm the following for me. None of this stuff is terribly specific, because he wants this Saturday's White Dwarf to have the big reveals:

3) Allies are 100% in, and not just for team games. There are definitely, without a doubt, rules that allow you to use models in your list from allied factions. Again, he wasn't specific, but he mentioned that you still needed minimum one HQ and two troops from your book, but beyond that allies are an option.

That's all!


Soooo... yeah.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 03:32:48


Post by: Lobokai


Could it be the cover to the starter set? Maybe they're releasing a hardcover little book for that? It is DA after all.

Now the real trick will be is someone can get a shot of the Gamer and Collector covers.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 03:58:25


Post by: spaceXjam


confirmed that this is not the cover for the standard Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 04:03:14


Post by: infinite_array


spaceXjam wrote:confirmed that this is not the cover for the standard Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition


Hey, ho, what?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 04:13:32


Post by: TechMarine1


Lockark wrote:
infinite_array wrote:Oh, oh! Allies. Ok, here's my theory on that. We've seen a few people say that thanks to GW's prices, they've seen a drop in the amount of players who buy 2nd and 3rd and 4th armies.

But allies are the solution to that. It'll be like Mercenaries and Minions in Warmachine/Hordes. You'll pick up a unit here and there, and the next thing you'll know, hey, you only need to spend another $100 or so and you'll have a whole new army!


Or you know. It's just the 40k verstion of the allie rules for Fantsey. As in rules for 2vs.2 games.


What exactly are those? The guys that Igame with at my FLGS never use the rules for allies.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 04:33:56


Post by: Abaddon


I'd much prefer a more neutral front cover for the rulebook (the usual war hammer and macabre decor)! Doesn't really matter either way though.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 04:50:02


Post by: Crazyterran


spaceXjam wrote:confirmed that this is not the cover for the standard Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition


We have a few people who say that it has been confirmed, when they called in.

And then you come in with one line and say that it's not.

Someone's trolling, and somehow, I doubt it's the people who are saying it is confirmed.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 05:42:32


Post by: d-usa


I demand vindication!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 05:48:29


Post by: Lobokai


spaceXjam wrote:confirmed that this is not the cover for the standard Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition


Source?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 08:15:58


Post by: SilverMK2


Fafnir wrote:Because SPHESS MAHRINES are even more recognisable, no matter how you cut it.


Oh, I don't know about that; cut them into small enough chunks and I think they would be pretty unrecognisable...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 08:31:51


Post by: Ledabot


angel of ecstasy wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
Ledabot wrote:Can someone enhance that image? I want to see what the words at the bottom say.

Something about there being only war? looks like a rulebook to me.


Sure thing!

[.....]

Enhancing only happens on shows like CSI. It doesn't actually exist.

Oh man, oh man. That is comedy at its best. "Enhance". Give me a god damn break.





You pulled my string Brother SRM


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 08:47:03


Post by: Pacific


I think this is the machine we need?



"Left 24, up 2, enhance" *chukachukachukachuka*

We could even rotate the picture and see the spine


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 08:48:13


Post by: TBD


infinite_array wrote:
Lockark wrote:
infinite_array wrote:Oh, oh! Allies. Ok, here's my theory on that. We've seen a few people say that thanks to GW's prices, they've seen a drop in the amount of players who buy 2nd and 3rd and 4th armies.

But allies are the solution to that. It'll be like Mercenaries and Minions in Warmachine/Hordes. You'll pick up a unit here and there, and the next thing you'll know, hey, you only need to spend another $100 or so and you'll have a whole new army!


Or you know. It's just the 40k verstion of the allie rules for Fantsey. As in rules for 2vs.2 games.


redcapscorner wrote:
I'm a store owner, and I just got off the phone with my GW rep. The GW sales team in the US has had a chance to look through the 6th edition books at this point, and he was able to confirm the following for me. None of this stuff is terribly specific, because he wants this Saturday's White Dwarf to have the big reveals:

3) Allies are 100% in, and not just for team games. There are definitely, without a doubt, rules that allow you to use models in your list from allied factions. Again, he wasn't specific, but he mentioned that you still needed minimum one HQ and two troops from your book, but beyond that allies are an option.

That's all!


Soooo... yeah.


This however contradicts earlier information from someone who also said to have seen the actual book, so I will just wait until I see it myself.

I wouldn't mind it being true as long as they make it very specific as to who can be ally to who, and rule out non-sensemaking combos.

E.g. Marines & Guard & GK can be allies (duh), and Eldar can be allies with Guard, but Orks can't be allies with GK and Tyranids can't be allies with anybody, etc. Otherwise it would make for quite a lot of stupid Imo.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 08:51:53


Post by: Hyenajoe


To be honest, this cover reminds me of the hardback 40K comics covers, like this one:


Simple supposition: would GW release a comic for the 6th ed as they released a novel for Island of Blood?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 08:54:27


Post by: Anung Un Rama


oni wrote:It is now confirmed that the trade sales managers have seen the new rule book.

Can anyone get confirmation from them that the leaked picture is real?
Last week a sales manager in Germany wouldn't even acknoledge, that there is a 6th edition on its way.

loki old fart wrote:It's not what's on the outside that counts
It's what I do that defines me.




6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 09:14:04


Post by: reds8n


I had thought/heard/hoped that the ally rules were indeed an addition to the normal game rules...

....I wonder now somewhat if the ally rules are the "get out clause" with regards to armies like Necrons or Dark Eldar getting access to the new psychic powers and rules perhaps ?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 09:19:52


Post by: loki old fart


reds8n wrote: I had thought/heard/hoped that the ally rules were indeed an addition to the normal game rules...

....I wonder now somewhat if the ally rules are the "get out clause" with regards to armies like Necrons or Dark Eldar getting access to the new psychic powers and rules perhaps ?


More likely the "get out cause" for some players


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 09:30:44


Post by: Pacific


What strikes me most is that we are 11 days away from the new release, and not one person has had the appropriately sized testicles to leak more information on this yet!

If you are reading this and you have a copy, come on what are you waiting for?! Do you want to die old and decrepit, clinging to a loved ones hand and passing away with barely a whimper ?! Or, do you want to go out with a fire in your eyes, and song in your heart?! In a blaze of glory that will make you a hero to thousands, and the tales of your passing told to children born a hundred years hence?!

Come on, step forward, your time is now!!!!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 09:35:52


Post by: Darkseid


spaceXjam wrote:confirmed that this is not the cover for the standard Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition


Gotta love bs comments such as these.

An other confirmation via Warseer; from people who have seen the WD:

The leaked photo of the cover is correct, that is the new cover of the normal hardback rulebook. The collectors edition looks *******' sweet though, with amazing artwork and brass doodads, etc etc. The skull measuring tape is pretty cool too, and the munitorum dice come in a lasgun charge pack case, and are also pretty nicely designed. The special edition templates follow the Fantasy example of being somewhat visually-related to the game, except instead of faux-gold framing, they're faux-steel framed, with coruscating arcs of blue psychic fire spoking out from the middle of each (or the narrow end of the flame template)


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 09:57:16


Post by: Ledabot


Sounds awesome. I now want more money so I can get it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 11:13:37


Post by: Steve steveson


Damit. I was going to wait for the mini rule book or the iPad edition, but now I want the collectors edition.

I'm not interested in the templates (silver bits of plastic? I'll pass thank you) or the measuring tape (I'm happy with the one I have, but I may pick one up if mine brakes at some point). The dice sound usefull and I may pick up some if they are when I have a few pounds spare but I now NEED the limited edition rule book. If it is anything like the warhammer one it will be a lovely object to own. Never mind that I can't carry it anywhere and it is to large to be of any use.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 16:23:31


Post by: Brother SRM


Ledabot wrote:
You pulled my string Brother SRM

Ah well! My sarcasm detector must've been broken I still love that "enhance" joke though, you have no idea!

Dice that come in a lasgun battery pack? I'm sold!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 18:19:38


Post by: Bloodwin


reds8n wrote: I had thought/heard/hoped that the ally rules were indeed an addition to the normal game rules...

....I wonder now somewhat if the ally rules are the "get out clause" with regards to armies like Necrons or Dark Eldar getting access to the new psychic powers and rules perhaps ?


I'm not so sure about that. Dwarves in Fantasy dont get magic and they've had nothing special. Every other race is waiting for their book to get done so they get their cards. Some races have had magic cards because they were so close to the release of 8th ed Fantasy. The Beastmen and Skaven and high elves all got cards. Beastmen cos they were so close to release and Skaven and Elve cos they were in the big box. It seems like a lot of cards for 40k though. The initial fantasy set covers the 8 schools of magic which a number of races have access to bits of so it's a universal base. I'm wondering if they are going to have similar in 40k or if they are going to do all the existing ones from the codices in one big pack.

Allies in Fantasy relate to how you can join two forces together and they can or cant use each others generals / standard bearers or characters joining units and leadership tests. Ive not seen them as a way to compensate for magic or lack of it. From what I've read and heard it's not used much in Fantasy and I can't see why it would be a big deal for 40k.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 18:41:28


Post by: hotsauceman1


74 bucks for the new RB? god i dont think anyone at my 40k club will buy it. I am, but i already have 50$ saved from collecting change. and im going to go get a bunch of money from collecting cans.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 18:50:13


Post by: Sigvatr


Not buying the BRB...cover looks crappy. I play Xenos just because I am sick of all those f-ing Marines EVERYWHERE.

And now, they force us to look at a butt-ugly human tin can everytime I grab the book?

No thanks, been there, done that. Mini rulebook it is.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 19:18:37


Post by: Crazyterran


The 5th Edition Rulebook had Marines on the cover. In fact, it's the same damn picture as on the Black Reach Box, with a Hammer put overtop of it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 19:30:55


Post by: Sigvatr


Crazyterran wrote:The 5th Edition Rulebook had Marines on the cover. In fact, it's the same damn picture as on the Black Reach Box, with a Hammer put overtop of it.


Small one is red with the hammer.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 20:01:02


Post by: insaniak


Sigvatr wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:The 5th Edition Rulebook had Marines on the cover. In fact, it's the same damn picture as on the Black Reach Box, with a Hammer put overtop of it.


Small one is red with the hammer.

And in the red part are a bunch of Ultramarines fighting Orks...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 20:10:05


Post by: Sigvatr


insaniak wrote:
Sigvatr wrote:
Crazyterran wrote:The 5th Edition Rulebook had Marines on the cover. In fact, it's the same damn picture as on the Black Reach Box, with a Hammer put overtop of it.


Small one is red with the hammer.

And in the red part are a bunch of Ultramarines fighting Orks...


I can live with subtle images, but an upfront Space Marine?

HELL, the Overlord on my Necron codex takes less space than that worthless tin can!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 20:18:40


Post by: BrookM


I'm willing to bet that the A5 rulebook will feature the same image as the full-size one.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 21:33:01


Post by: Davor


Sigvatr wrote:Not buying the BRB...cover looks crappy. I play Xenos just because I am sick of all those f-ing Marines EVERYWHERE.

And now, they force us to look at a butt-ugly human tin can everytime I grab the book?

No thanks, been there, done that. Mini rulebook it is.


Why would you buy the BRB? It is 5th edition after all. Don't you have it already?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 21:36:28


Post by: erikwfg


Now i'm confused.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 22:02:25


Post by: Noisy_Marine


Kinda funny that they are letting CSM ally with demons after splitting the armies. ISN'T IT?!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 22:46:53


Post by: Davor


Noisy_Marine wrote:Kinda funny that they are letting CSM ally with demons after splitting the armies. ISN'T IT?!


Funny they got rid of the Witch Hunter Codex so SoB can't ally with anyone no more. If Tyranids was made with 6th edition in mind, why bother getting rid of the last codex that had ally rules? GW say they don't care about Tourniments so bother wasting resources to just bring it back again?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 22:57:31


Post by: abhus


I bet this is not the BGB, but why didn´t the person snapping pictures, snap a picture of the insides, i´m curious about that.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 23:00:48


Post by: Davor


abhus wrote:I bet this is not the BGB, but why didn´t the person snapping pictures, snap a picture of the insides, i´m curious about that.


Because GW told them not too. This is all from GW to get us talking about it. Just like how that video site guys what ever there name is, the ones 2 brit guys who talk so boooooring, say "we can't say who out source is", is GW giving it to them.

This is GW way of being a stripper. Slowly peeling away, or giving out "leaks" to us. Since we think it's non GW sources giving out the info, we talk about it even more.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/19 23:04:23


Post by: spectreoneone


Davor wrote:
abhus wrote:I bet this is not the BGB, but why didn´t the person snapping pictures, snap a picture of the insides, i´m curious about that.


Because GW told them not too. This is all from GW to get us talking about it. Just like how that video site guys what ever there name is, the ones 2 brit guys who talk so boooooring, say "we can't say who out source is", is GW giving it to them.

This is GW way of being a stripper. Slowly peeling away, or giving out "leaks" to us. Since we think it's non GW sources giving out the info, we talk about it even more.

Either that, or the photographer managed to smuggle in a Cold War relic spy cam, and only had a couple seconds to snap a picture of the cover. A couple dead drops later, and the microfilm landed in the lap of the photo's publisher, who then made this poor digital copy from said microfilm...

Eh...your example is probably right...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:05:08


Post by: spaceXjam


Crazyterran wrote:
spaceXjam wrote:confirmed that this is not the cover for the standard Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition


We have a few people who say that it has been confirmed, when they called in.

And then you come in with one line and say that it's not.

Someone's trolling, and somehow, I doubt it's the people who are saying it is confirmed.


some australian stores received their rulebook copy early. i guess GW thought it would take longer to send out here. i was in there the other day and all the employees were talking about it i tryed to ask if i could see it and they kept teasing me and then to shock me the guy went in this little closet thing and pulled at a big book that was obviously 6th edition to tease me for a few seconds then put it back in the room. it was not the picture that is on the cover of this book in this photo.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:07:55


Post by: Brother SRM


spaceXjam wrote:
some australian stores received their rulebook copy early. i guess GW thought it would take longer to send out here. i was in there the other day and all the employees were talking about it i tryed to ask if i could see it and they kept teasing me and then to shock me the guy went in this little closet thing and pulled at a big book that was obviously 6th edition to tease me for a few seconds then put it back in the room. it was not the picture that is on the cover of this book in this photo.

Care to describe what was on the cover?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:16:20


Post by: spaceXjam


Brother SRM wrote:
spaceXjam wrote:
some australian stores received their rulebook copy early. i guess GW thought it would take longer to send out here. i was in there the other day and all the employees were talking about it i tryed to ask if i could see it and they kept teasing me and then to shock me the guy went in this little closet thing and pulled at a big book that was obviously 6th edition to tease me for a few seconds then put it back in the room. it was not the picture that is on the cover of this book in this photo.

Care to describe what was on the cover?


i guess it was fake. see i mean above


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:20:30


Post by: haroon


OMG look at that tape measure!! Must HAZ!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:20:31


Post by: ShumaGorath


Chaos demons have zero psychic powers. Well that seems off.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:20:39


Post by: AgeOfEgos


spaceXjam wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
spaceXjam wrote:
some australian stores received their rulebook copy early. i guess GW thought it would take longer to send out here. i was in there the other day and all the employees were talking about it i tryed to ask if i could see it and they kept teasing me and then to shock me the guy went in this little closet thing and pulled at a big book that was obviously 6th edition to tease me for a few seconds then put it back in the room. it was not the picture that is on the cover of this book in this photo.

Care to describe what was on the cover?


i guess it was fake. see i mean above



I added the collectors edition shot as well--was it that one (see last picture above)?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:21:03


Post by: jspyd3rx


Collector's edition is black with different cover art and odd slip sleeve.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:21:35


Post by: AgeOfEgos


ShumaGorath wrote:Chaos demons have zero psychic powers. Well that seems off.


The lack of additional Ork powers threw me off--of course this is in addition to their normal powers--so perhaps they are saying Orks are just their own psyker style onto themselves...




/Malfred is probably drooling over the man purse gamers edition


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:24:33


Post by: haroon


I really want that bag for the book, and the collectors edition. I think GW may have found a way for me to buy 2 books ><


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:27:25


Post by: The_Chaplain


What the heck are the little black/gray servo skulls next to the dice supposed to be for?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:28:16


Post by: Kanluwen


The_Chaplain wrote:What the heck are the little black/gray servo skulls next to the dice supposed to be for?

The text says they are "dice holders".


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:28:47


Post by: Absolutionis


Those Munitorium Templates are hideous, and with their superficial protrusions, poor templates to begin with.

Dice are nice, I guess.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:29:11


Post by: d-usa


I like that the tape measure is actually a nice little something, and not a $1.00 black tape measure with a GW slapped on it.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:29:17


Post by: tuiman


Oh my...Very tempted for a collector's edition, will wait to see what the prices here in NZ will be before I buy though, the current 8th fantasy retails here for $146!!!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:29:29


Post by: tetrisphreak


Oh my Glory!

Those templates are VERY tempting. I like the blue lightning very much!

Servo Skull Tape measure - Unnecessary....Unnecessarily awesome!

The dice are meh, but i'm very interested in a set of battlefield objective dice and vehicle damage dice - those will have to wait until July 27 though.


Overall i'm very excited. I cannot wait to get my copy of the book when it drops. Until then, those who have a copy spill away, I want to hear all about 6th edition up to and until i'm reading it for myself in 10 days!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:32:21


Post by: The_Chaplain


Kanluwen wrote:
The_Chaplain wrote:What the heck are the little black/gray servo skulls next to the dice supposed to be for?

The text says they are "dice holders".


Yeah I suppose it did in its tiny, blurry text. Thank you for posting that though.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:32:29


Post by: tuiman


If you read the stuff for the vehicle damage dice, sounds interesting

AP3 dice
AP2 dice
AP1 dice
hull points dice

so different Ap's have different effects against vehicles?

Sorry if its already been discussed


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:33:45


Post by: d-usa


You mean that there is a possibility we didn't know everything about the vehicle rules when everybody was complaining about hull points?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:36:39


Post by: tuiman


Was refering more to the ap1, 2, 3 thing, dont think I've seen that mentioned anywhere in reference to vehicles?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:42:33


Post by: d-usa


tuiman wrote:Was refering more to the ap1, 2, 3 thing, dont think I've seen that mentioned anywhere in reference to vehicles but tell me what it means if you do know? Please.


I don't know what it means. I'm just saying that it is a confirmation that it was too early to worry about a rumored rule about hull points when we don't know all the rules yet.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:45:43


Post by: Kingsley


tuiman wrote:Was refering more to the ap1, 2, 3 thing, dont think I've seen that mentioned anywhere in reference to vehicles but tell me what it means if you do know? Please.


Sounds like it means better APs will do better against vehicles? Definitely a plus for the game.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:46:02


Post by: AresX8


Gamers' Edition it is.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:48:34


Post by: tuiman


d-usa wrote:
tuiman wrote:Was refering more to the ap1, 2, 3 thing, dont think I've seen that mentioned anywhere in reference to vehicles but tell me what it means if you do know? Please.


I don't know what it means. I'm just saying that it is a confirmation that it was too early to worry about a rumored rule about hull points when we don't know all the rules yet.


I apolagize sir, I thought you were having a go at me , now I totally understand your post

As, I said, they all look quite good, just waiting to see how the NZ price will be


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:54:56


Post by: crazyK


I feel bad for Eldar. They only have access to two lores while space marines and IG get four.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 03:55:35


Post by: Happygrunt


Gah, I must be a jaded PP gamer, because this did nothing for me.

I gotta wait. $60+ for a rulebook is eh. And who knows, rules might be bananas.

I will live without the cool stuff. I could care less about dice or templates, just show me the fething rules.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:04:39


Post by: tetrisphreak


No clue on AP 1 damage chart or AP 3, BUT

Earlier in the thread there was a chatlog that mentioned an AP 2 damage chart:

1-2 - Vehicle Shaken
3 - Vehicle stunned
4 - Weapon Destroyed
5- Destroyed Wrecked
6- destroyed explodes!

now going by this we can only ASSUME that AP 1 damage chart will be more punishing (1-2-weapon destroyed, 3-4 wrecks, 5-6 explodes?) And AP 3+ table is less punishing (1-3 shaken, 4-stunned, 5-weapon destroyed, 6-wrecked??)

All speculation, but i could see it that way. any rulebook holders want to confirm/deny?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:05:04


Post by: Cheex


I want that Gamer's Edition. Templates are pretty cool, too.

Absolutely hating that servo skull tape measure the more I look at it. When it was rumoured before, I thought the idea sounded cool, but right now it looks cheap and nasty...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:11:02


Post by: tuiman


tetrisphreak wrote:No clue on AP 1 damage chart or AP 3, BUT

Earlier in the thread there was a chatlog that mentioned an AP 2 damage chart:

1-2 - Vehicle Shaken
3 - Vehicle stunned
4 - Weapon Destroyed
5- Destroyed Wrecked
6- destroyed explodes!

now going by this we can only ASSUME that AP 1 damage chart will be more punishing (1-2-weapon destroyed, 3-4 wrecks, 5-6 explodes?) And AP 3+ table is less punishing (1-3 shaken, 4-stunned, 5-weapon destroyed, 6-wrecked??)

All speculation, but i could see it that way. any rulebook holders want to confirm/deny?


Wow, that actually sounds pretty cool and more realistic to, I would be very happy to have a go if those are the rules


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:11:44


Post by: Dantalian


tetrisphreak wrote:No clue on AP 1 damage chart or AP 3, BUT

Earlier in the thread there was a chatlog that mentioned an AP 2 damage chart:

1-2 - Vehicle Shaken
3 - Vehicle stunned
4 - Weapon Destroyed
5- Destroyed Wrecked
6- destroyed explodes!

now going by this we can only ASSUME that AP 1 damage chart will be more punishing (1-2-weapon destroyed, 3-4 wrecks, 5-6 explodes?) And AP 3+ table is less punishing (1-3 shaken, 4-stunned, 5-weapon destroyed, 6-wrecked??)

All speculation, but i could see it that way. any rulebook holders want to confirm/deny?


I would assume it would only add a +1 or -1 to results of explosion.

AP1

1- vehicle shaken
2- vehicle stun
3- weapon destroyed
4- wrecked
5- explosion
6- explosion

AP2

1-2 - Vehicle Shaken
3 - Vehicle stunned
4 - Weapon Destroyed
5- Destroyed Wrecked
6- destroyed explodes!

AP3

1-2-3 Vehicle Shaken
4- Stun
5- weapon destroy
6- wreck





6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:12:03


Post by: Noir Eternal


Im wondering if the Collectors edition will be really worth it. Wasn't the Fantasy 8th Edition Collectors rulebook cover considerably better than the normal counterpart? The collectors edition here literally looks like a picture swap.

Hopefully I am wrong


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:13:23


Post by: tetrisphreak


Dantalian wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:No clue on AP 1 damage chart or AP 3, BUT

Earlier in the thread there was a chatlog that mentioned an AP 2 damage chart:

1-2 - Vehicle Shaken
3 - Vehicle stunned
4 - Weapon Destroyed
5- Destroyed Wrecked
6- destroyed explodes!

now going by this we can only ASSUME that AP 1 damage chart will be more punishing (1-2-weapon destroyed, 3-4 wrecks, 5-6 explodes?) And AP 3+ table is less punishing (1-3 shaken, 4-stunned, 5-weapon destroyed, 6-wrecked??)

All speculation, but i could see it that way. any rulebook holders want to confirm/deny?


I would assume it would only add a +1 or -1 to results of explosion.

AP1

1- vehicle shaken
2- vehicle stun
3- weapon destroyed
4- wrecked
5- explosion
6- explosion

AP2

1-2 - Vehicle Shaken
3 - Vehicle stunned
4 - Weapon Destroyed
5- Destroyed Wrecked
6- destroyed explodes!

AP3

1-2-3 Vehicle Shaken
4- Stun
5- weapon destroy
6- wreck

But this is just my opinion.


These too, have merit in my opinion (and a fair shake easier to remember too!) now we wait....


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:17:00


Post by: Dantalian


tetrisphreak wrote:
These too, have merit in my opinion (and a fair shake easier to remember too!) now we wait....


I only think AP1 would be a little closer to my chart because on yours a Railgun would be a guaranteed wreck on any open top vehicle.




6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:18:22


Post by: tetrisphreak


Dantalian wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:
These too, have merit in my opinion (and a fair shake easier to remember too!) now we wait....


I only think AP1 would be a little closer to my chart because on yours a Railgun would be a guaranteed wreck on any open top vehicle.




See my avatar? Now explain to me why that isn't a great idea!? hahaha.

As a semi-lobbying move, in the Tau's behalf, the railgun is a magnetically accelerated slug designed to do one thing - punch big holes in armor. A pen auto-wrecking an open topped vehicle (after a flicker field fail, we all know who uses the most open topped vehicles in 40K presently), SHOULD by fluff wreck or explode it. /lobbying over


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:22:08


Post by: Dantalian


I think the more important question here is we have damage table for AP123 weapons right? What about AP4? Will AP123 be the only thing that can hurt a vehicle? I would assume though that AP123 will be the only thing capable of wrecking a vehicle.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:27:01


Post by: Noir Eternal


Wouldn't that hurt the Tyranids even more? Their main Anti-tank guns are what, S8 AP4? Not including a Warp Lance....

What about CC? Will we need power weapons now to do significant damage to a vehicle?

This is all very interesting


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:30:59


Post by: tuiman


Noir Eternal wrote:Wouldn't that hurt the Tyranids even more? Their main Anti-tank guns are what, S8 AP4? Not including a Warp Lance....

What about CC? Will we need power weapons now to do significant damage to a vehicle?

This is all very interesting


Well I guess you would have to take tyrannofex's, but they do seem to be getting some new mc rules which will make them carve up in close combat


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:33:24


Post by: Doomhunter


Dantalian wrote:I think the more important question here is we have damage table for AP123 weapons right? What about AP4? Will AP123 be the only thing that can hurt a vehicle? I would assume though that AP123 will be the only thing capable of wrecking a vehicle.

I think there will be a chart for AP1, AP2, AP3/4/5/6, and maybe one for AP- aswell.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:33:38


Post by: Eldar Craft


crazyK wrote:I feel bad for Eldar. They only have access to two lores while space marines and IG get four.

Seriously. I will grant that the schools assigned to eldar are appropriate. Why IG should be able to navigate the warp better than the "Master Psychers" I hope is because there is some cool codex specific lore. The schools I'm not too against although rolling for random powers will make me pick up a different army. Not out of spite or any delusion that GW will care that there rules cause me to forsake an army I've loved. I just hate the mechanic. All that moaning aside I'll need to learn the rules and wait to how the game plays out before I whine too much more. Until then I will pray to the game design fairies for something fun.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:38:09


Post by: Regnak


Liking the look of the Gamers edition.. all depends on price


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:39:21


Post by: tuiman


Doomhunter wrote:
Dantalian wrote:I think the more important question here is we have damage table for AP123 weapons right? What about AP4? Will AP123 be the only thing that can hurt a vehicle? I would assume though that AP123 will be the only thing capable of wrecking a vehicle.

I think there will be a chart for AP1, AP2, AP3/4/5/6, and maybe one for AP- aswell.


In the description, it only has dice for Ap1,2,3 though...not that Im saying the others won't exist, just that if they did, would they not have dice for them as well.

If it is only AP3 or higher, vehicles just got a whole lot better


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:45:13


Post by: Powerguy


tetrisphreak wrote:As a semi-lobbying move, in the Tau's behalf, the railgun is a magnetically accelerated slug designed to do one thing - punch big holes in armor. A pen auto-wrecking an open topped vehicle (after a flicker field fail, we all know who uses the most open topped vehicles in 40K presently), SHOULD by fluff wreck or explode it. /lobbying over


Actually a hyper velocity slug would probably act much like a sabot round against light armoured vehicles and punch straight through one side and out the other with minimal chance of actually hitting something important. You use HEAT rounds to kill light armour. Either way I can live with Railguns blasting AV10 skimmers out of the sky in game, its pretty close to auto dead at the moment anyway (3+ to kill).

Dantalian wrote:I think the more important question here is we have damage table for AP123 weapons right? What about AP4? Will AP123 be the only thing that can hurt a vehicle? I would assume though that AP123 will be the only thing capable of wrecking a vehicle.

A HUGE amount of rebalancing will be in order if AP4-6 can't hurt a vehicle at ALL. More likely AP4-6 have their own chart, AP4 through to AP- covers all the suppression type light anti tank weapons (S6 spam, S7 spam etc) and I would be fine with them only being able to wreck a vehicle.

Have we heard anything about immobilised results at all? It would boggle the mind if they completely remove immobilised as a result (vehicles having tracks taken out is incredibly common in armoured warfare) so I'm assuming for the moment that it has been combined with weapon destroyed. That would mean essentially you end up with a chart that is something like 1-2 temporary loss of function, 3-4 permanant loss of function, 5-6 dead, which is adjusted up and down slightly for different weapons, which I can live with.

Can anyone blow up the image of the psyker cards so they are readable? Eldar not getting any offensive powers is annoying but ok, I'm guessing Warlocks won't be able to buy powers (until the next book hopefully) since they aren't ICs and they are the ones who would be taking the damage dealing ones (Seers focus on support). Hopefully there is a race specific thing built in so that Eldar get some form of buff in this area anyway (Loremaster type ability maybe).
Also Daemons not getting any powers is pretty weird, they should get the offensive based ones at very least.


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Post by: TechMarine1


Dantalian wrote:I think the more important question here is we have damage table for AP123 weapons right? What about AP4? Will AP123 be the only thing that can hurt a vehicle? I would assume though that AP123 will be the only thing capable of wrecking a vehicle.


What about auto cannons (strength 7, ap 4)?


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Post by: Doomhunter


tuiman wrote:
Doomhunter wrote:
Dantalian wrote:I think the more important question here is we have damage table for AP123 weapons right? What about AP4? Will AP123 be the only thing that can hurt a vehicle? I would assume though that AP123 will be the only thing capable of wrecking a vehicle.

I think there will be a chart for AP1, AP2, AP3/4/5/6, and maybe one for AP- aswell.


In the description, it only has dice for Ap1,2,3 though...not that Im saying the others won't exist, just that if they did, would they not have dice for them as well.

If it is only AP3 or higher, vehicles just got a whole lot better

I hope i can kill vehicles with AP4/5/6, I have autocannons coming out of my ears!
One for AP- would work, i shouldn't be able to kill a vehicle with a shotgun!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 04:53:58


Post by: Excessus


A shotgun has S3 and can't penetrate anyway...

Just here to post a link to this:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?340923-2012-releases&p=6276245&viewfull=1#post6276245


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Post by: Red Corsair


If AP 4+ can't hurt armor then GK just got laughably crappy.


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Post by: Anpu42


Comming late I may have missed it, but any clue for the cost of the colectors edition


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Post by: Fafnir


Around $150.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 05:02:48


Post by: insaniak


As pretty as the Collector's edition is, I picked up the Collector's book for 4th edition... and that turned out to be my least favourite edition of the game so far.

So rather than tempt fate, I think I'll stick with one of the more sensible versions


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 05:04:02


Post by: Anpu42


I might be able to make that work


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 05:04:49


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Can anyone make out from the photographed picture what's so special about the collector's edition to require a virtual doubling of the price? Is it gold-plated? Are the pages actually some kind of flexible metal*? It can't just be a fancy slip cover and a few fabric bookmarks?





*Cookie for the reference.


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Post by: Noir Eternal


H.B.M.C. wrote:Can anyone make out from the photographed picture what's so special about the collector's edition to require a virtual doubling of the price? Is it gold-plated? Are the pages actually some kind of flexible metal*? It can't just be a fancy slip cover and a few fabric bookmarks?


Thats what I was just trying to figure out. After zooming into the picture I think it says that the box it comes in may be leather but the book itself just looks like a different picture. And all I can see is that the pages are made out of a high quality parchement. I am hoping there is more to it than that because of that Price tag


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Post by: Doomhunter


Excessus wrote:A shotgun has S3 and can't penetrate anyway...

I was talking about space marine shotguns, their S4


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Post by: d-usa


So are the AP(special) dice just D6 with different numbers on them I guess?

So AP1 maybe a "3,4,5,6,6,6" AP2 "2,3,4,5,6,6".

Or something similar like that?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 05:17:01


Post by: porkuslime


Looks like the picture on the right half of the Collectors Edition internal cover is also the spinal picture on this years White Dwarf.

Am I right? I can't quite tell.

-Porkuslime


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Post by: bhsman


porkuslime wrote:Looks like the picture on the right half of the Collectors Edition internal cover is also the spinal picture on this years White Dwarf.

Am I right? I can't quite tell.

-Porkuslime


It is. Or at least it soooooo close that it beggars the question: why make two very similar pictures of a helmetless Dark Angel with a plasmagun?


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Post by: silent25


H.B.M.C. wrote:Can anyone make out from the photographed picture what's so special about the collector's edition to require a virtual doubling of the price? Is it gold-plated? Are the pages actually some kind of flexible metal*? It can't just be a fancy slip cover and a few fabric bookmarks?


If it follows the collectors editions from previous editions, higher quality parchment paper, additional material, and gold leaf on the page outline. Collectors editions have normally been twice the standard edition price. Picked up the 6th ed collectors edition for WHFB. Liked it a lot, but could never bring it to a store for fear of damaging it. After 6th passed, sits on a shelf. High priced shiny thing. Like any other "limited edition" special trinket/car/clothes, priced to create the air of exclusivity.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 05:33:33


Post by: Nightbringer's Chosen


I hope the vehicle pen/damage thing doesn't mean referencing too many tables. Seems like it might get overly complex. I like that at this point it's fairly easy to memorize the tables; if there is a separate one for each AP, that could be a mess.

I like that Necrons don't have psykers. I dislike that they don't have something like Pariahs anymore; psykers are their ancient enemies, they shouldn't have innate resistance to psychic powers or anything like that, but should have something specifically to hunt them down. 3" range Gloom Prisms are not the answer.


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Post by: Fafnir


silent25 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Can anyone make out from the photographed picture what's so special about the collector's edition to require a virtual doubling of the price? Is it gold-plated? Are the pages actually some kind of flexible metal*? It can't just be a fancy slip cover and a few fabric bookmarks?


If it follows the collectors editions from previous editions, higher quality parchment paper, additional material, and gold leaf on the page outline. Collectors editions have normally been twice the standard edition price. Picked up the 6th ed collectors edition for WHFB. Liked it a lot, but could never bring it to a store for fear of damaging it. After 6th passed, sits on a shelf. High priced shiny thing. Like any other "limited edition" special trinket/car/clothes, priced to create the air of exclusivity.


Play the same crap game as the rest of us, but have the satisfaction of paying more to do it!

I like it.


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Post by: Noir Eternal


Your not that only one who thinks that way Nightbringer's Chosen, with the Necrons at least


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Post by: d-usa


Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:I hope the vehicle pen/damage thing doesn't mean referencing too many tables. Seems like it might get overly complex. I like that at this point it's fairly easy to memorize the tables; if there is a separate one for each AP, that could be a mess.


If the "special" dice work the way I think they might then it may simply be one table, with a AP2 add +1 to the roll, AP1 add +2 to the roll. Or something like that.


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Post by: spaceXjam


AgeOfEgos wrote:
spaceXjam wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:
spaceXjam wrote:
some australian stores received their rulebook copy early. i guess GW thought it would take longer to send out here. i was in there the other day and all the employees were talking about it i tryed to ask if i could see it and they kept teasing me and then to shock me the guy went in this little closet thing and pulled at a big book that was obviously 6th edition to tease me for a few seconds then put it back in the room. it was not the picture that is on the cover of this book in this photo.

Care to describe what was on the cover?


i guess it was fake. see i mean above



I added the collectors edition shot as well--was it that one (see last picture above)?


yes that limited edition one was the one they had in store!

thank you for these pictures how did you get them?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 06:16:37


Post by: lord_blackfang


I must say I don't care much for the new knickknacks nor for any of the big books. I'll rely on scans until the starter comes out.

I do kind of want to go back through the thread and name and shame all the know-it-alls who said GW wouldn't possibly put a Space Marine on the cover...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 06:25:21


Post by: Thunderfrog


I normally don't put much stock in special editions, but I like the man purse that comes with the Gamers Edition.


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Post by: kaiohx


Text from the add for the Collector's Edition:
When the officers of the Imperial Guard pray to the Emperor for salvation, it is for the intervention of his Angels of Death that they beseech him. The Warhammer 40,000 Collector's Edition represents a sacred artifact, a reliquary of the Space Marines over which they invoke the Emperor's divine blessing. Its leatherette exterior features a debossed design of an iron halo and Imperial aquila. Two panels open either side to reveal four gold gilt embossed arched faces, within which are depicted four great heroes of the Space Marines. A secret panel pops open at the top of the reliquary, revealing access to a premium edition of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. The pages of this hardback rulebook are made from the very highest quality parchment paper, making it an even greater tome to possess. The Warhammer 40,000 Collector's Edition is strictly limited to 4000 individually numbered copies worldwide, so don't miss out on this great opportunity to own a genuine artefact from the 41'st Millenium.

Text from the Gamer's Edition:
The Warhammer 40,000 gamer's Edition represents a Munitorium Officer's kit as if it came straight out of the 41'st Millenium . The Gamer's Edition bundle consists of a versitile brown leatherette singal satchel, a Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, and a limited edition set of 12 red Munitorium Dice that are only available in this set and come with a power pack tin. The satchel is large enough to carry the rulebook along with any accompanying Codexes and Munitorium Templates, but also features three internal pouches. each designed to fit a Lasgun power pack tin. Two 4mm thick metal pin badges are also included (one representing the Imperial Aquila and the other the eight-pointed Chaos star), one of which can be fitted above the satchel's wooden toggle so that you may proudly declare your allegiance for or against the Emperor. The Warhammer 40,000 Gamer's Edition is only available to order from the website and is strictly limited in numbers, so don't miss out.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 06:57:58


Post by: Agamemnon2


Red Corsair wrote:If AP 4+ can't hurt armor then GK just got laughably crappy.


Oh, how I would laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, were that to be the case. I doubt it, but it would be one hell of a metagame shift.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 07:04:15


Post by: The Dwarf Wolf


Agamemnon2 wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:If AP 4+ can't hurt armor then GK just got laughably crappy.


Oh, how I would laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, were that to be the case. I doubt it, but it would be one hell of a metagame shift.


No so much, when you consider the ally thing... That would make inquisitorial henchmans/allied veterans with melta-guns and dreadnoughts with multi-melta a must for the army...


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 07:11:54


Post by: redbristles


Gamer's Edition for me then, looks like a nice bag


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 07:29:22


Post by: tuiman


The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Agamemnon2 wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:If AP 4+ can't hurt armor then GK just got laughably crappy.


Oh, how I would laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh, were that to be the case. I doubt it, but it would be one hell of a metagame shift.


No so much, when you consider the ally thing... That would make inquisitorial henchmans/allied veterans with melta-guns and dreadnoughts with multi-melta a must for the army...


Yeah just add some vendetta's or something, soon solve that


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 07:50:17


Post by: reckless ryno


Well it can be some what believable since most of the 40k universe is told from the eyes of the Imperium.


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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


I'll be after a Gamers edition.. do they normally put pre-orders after the turn of midnight, or 9am UK time?


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 08:15:27


Post by: Altruizine


H.B.M.C. wrote:Can anyone make out from the photographed picture what's so special about the collector's edition to require a virtual doubling of the price? Is it gold-plated? Are the pages actually some kind of flexible metal*? It can't just be a fancy slip cover and a few fabric bookmarks?





*Cookie for the reference.

Meh, how often do you see a "Collector's Edition" of ANYTHING that offers substantial value.

Their chief appeal is usually scarcity, and they're generally aimed at people who like to manifest their media allegiances via physical expression.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 08:20:10


Post by: Anung Un Rama


Wait. There are SEVEN armies who can't use the cards? That is hilarious. Or terrible, I can't decide.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 08:33:34


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


Aye Anung, so my guess is looking at the psyker rule we'll have a 40K Storm of Chaos book next year, that will give us Chaos powers, update Ork, Tyranid and Eldar powers, and perhaps add something to Necrons, Dark Eldar?

Seems odd to only grant a new powerful option to around half the armies otherwise.


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 08:41:17


Post by: Gorechild


AgeOfEgos wrote:










Could somebody copy these pics to the Dakka gallery? Photobucket and imageshack are both filtered at work so I can't see them!


6th Ed Front Cover? Spoiler alert if you don't want to see, don't look! @ 2012/06/20 08:47:03


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


Quick repost on imgur which normally works for work blocks.. will host in Dakka Gallery if doesn't.













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Post by: Gorechild


No luck with that one either MDS
Would be really greatful if you could dakka them!