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Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 08:34:57


Post by: kingdomdeath


Here is the offical kickstarter thread for Kingdom Death : Monster,

Kickstarter is here : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster
Kingdom Death Website here : http://kingdomdeath.com/home.html

I will do my best to keep up to date on the comments here and answer all questions related to the campaign, Kingdom Death or me personally!

The project has raised about 260k in the last 2 days and its totally blowing my fragile mind apart!

Thank you very much in advance for your time and understanding.

Here is the latest stretch goal for news purposes :



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 08:53:34


Post by: Moopy


Hello! I'm really looking forward to this, and had some questions about bosses/enemies since it's a little hard to tell how many different ones you will face off in the boxed set; looks about 3 before Flower Knight.

How many different challenges will the players come up against in the basic boxed set? I think they'll be more if the monies keep pouring in but that's an unknown as of now.

Thank you!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 08:53:56


Post by: Fafnir


Will the kickstarter also open up options for new single-pose minis that aren't just pinups (not that they're a bad thing, I own the Great Game Hunter and Twilight Knight pinups, with a Survivor pinup on the way, and they're all fantastic)?

As good as the modular models are, it's plainly obvious that your monopose models are your very best, and I'd like to see more of them, in a variety that isn't just limited to pinups.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 09:38:58


Post by: kingdomdeath


@Moopy,

In the core box we are looking at 7 monsters. Antelope, White Lion, Phoenix, Watcher, Kingsmen, Kings Hand and the Butcher.

The Antelope, White Lion, Phoenix and the Watcher have the most variety, the watcher being the last boss and the other 3 being great for resources. Most monsters have 3 sorta "challenge" levels and their AI deck / hit location deck is built based on their level.

The Butcher, the Kingsmen and Kings hand are nemesis monsters, the Butcher in particular continues to grow more powerful every time he is driven away.

@Fafnir, Well thank you for the compliment! The main focus for Monster is, monsters and armor kits. The 4 starting survivors are single pose sculpts by the talented JAG and Adam & Anna the explores of death are also single pose sculpts. I will see as the campaign continues, later on we might be able to use the extra funds to line up new stuff. But for now I want to focus mostly on game content that adds as much beef as possible!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 09:52:04


Post by: -Loki-


If the survivors are single pose sculpts, what are the 'armour sets' for? Are they for building survivors that have levelled up and acquired gear?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 09:53:29


Post by: Kilkrazy


Unofficial Kingdom Death thread here...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/489292.page


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 09:56:19


Post by: Fafnir


Glad to know.

Also, once Monster is finished, will you be going back to expand on the "Boutique" horror that you've built up with previous releases? Furthermore, will Monster be just one game that the KD universe is built up on, and will it expand into other games after that? Or will Monster be the Framework for whatever else you plan on doing?

The setup of Monster (I keep getting a great Dark Souls vibe from it, and that's only a good thing) certainly has me interested in how the fluff of the rest of the Kingdom Death universe will unfold. Based on what you've shown off for the original KD releases, it seems like Monster is more of a prequel to the backstories of the characters you've shown off with previous releases. I'm quite intrigued as to how all of this will all work out.

Right now, it feels like Monster is built more upon the more primal fears that a primitive society would have, while the "boutique" releases tend to focus on something much more psychological. All in all, it's an utterly engrossing and fresh look at dark fantasy.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 10:17:35


Post by: kingdomdeath


@-Loki- , That is exactly right. As you play you will gain access to new gear & armor and be able to build miniatures to represent your favorite combinations. I suspect crafty hobbyists will magnetize or pin certain parts of their kits. I will be looking into this during production, but being a miniature game, I feel it might be best to focus on quality and give hobbyists their own room to explore how to build / use the parts.

@Fefnir, I will continue to support the boutique resin range as it will always be the genesis of all future kingdom death related endeavors! I am also personally addicted to resin and I very much enjoy slowly improving the prints, packaging and certificates of authenticity that come with the LE versions. Currently I have 3 games planned for Kingdom Death and Monster is indeed a big setting of the stage. It focuses on normal humans and how they come to be, survive, flourish and perish. The second game will be called simply "kingdom death" and it will focus on the special, the exceptional few humans that we might consider heroes. The last game, which has no name as of yet will be the only competitive game and I envision its rules existing soley online and it being a hero vs hero all star battle. A very limited skirmish that is not cannon to the world. Inspired by Smash Bros and Dota type games. In an ideal world, the plastics would all be managed by a publisher and I would continue to focus just on art and managing a boutique resin line.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 10:32:07


Post by: Moopy


Don't listen to the part about pinups, please keep those rolling in.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 11:01:14


Post by: Fafnir


 Moopy wrote:
Don't listen to the part about pinups, please keep those rolling in.


Oh, I never said stop the pinups. I just want more of everything!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 11:04:44


Post by: kingdomdeath


@Moopy, there might be some more pinups... just maybe ^^


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 11:53:38


Post by: gunslingerpro


Snagged an open black friday spot! HUZZAH!

This is like my sixth kickstarter though. May need to slow down a bit...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 13:01:13


Post by: Alpharius


Glad to see an 'official' Kingdom Death Kickstarter thread here on Dakka Dakka, and even more glad to see Kingdom Death 'himself' here answering questions too!

Thanks!

I I'm really looking forward to what happens in the next... month+!

(Though once you added in the Flower Knight I was all set! )


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 13:03:13


Post by: RiTides


Mini 275K stretch adding original Paul the Survivor sculpt to Survivor pledges. Woot!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 13:56:29


Post by: TheSecretSquig


Wondering what was so 'unofficial' about the other Kingdom Death Kickstarter thread?

I understand that the game allows you to customise your models with various bits of armour and weapons. My question is are they interchangeable? As a modeller and a gamer I want my game model to be WYSIWYG, but at the scale of the models in the game and the constant changing of weapons and armour, are the parts going to be interchangeable?

My fear is that you'll assemble a model how you like, but will have to glue one option on the model, thus making all the other parts redundant, and having a model that doesn't fit the game you are playing.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 14:05:16


Post by: DaveC


 TheSecretSquig wrote:


I understand that the game allows you to customise your models with various bits of armour and weapons. My question is are they interchangeable? As a modeller and a gamer I want my game model to be WYSIWYG, but at the scale of the models in the game and the constant changing of weapons and armour, are the parts going to be interchangeable?

My fear is that you'll assemble a model how you like, but will have to glue one option on the model, thus making all the other parts redundant, and having a model that doesn't fit the game you are playing.


The end of the video shows miniatures made by mixing all the kits so it looks like they are all fully interchangeable but they will need to be glued together permanently unless you get creative with magnets.

EDIT I've screencapped them and attached them below

[Thumb - KD Armour.png]


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 14:06:00


Post by: Tannhauser42


I mentioned this in the KS comments, but I'll add it here as you may be more likely to see it.
Don't make the same mistake Reaper did early in their project by putting the freebie stretch goals too close together. You have 1300 backers now, and could potentially reach 5000 or more by the end, so just remember that every freebie could possibly need 5000 copies. I wouldn't want you to lose money on this project.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 16:48:06


Post by: Alpharius


 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I mentioned this in the KS comments, but I'll add it here as you may be more likely to see it.
Don't make the same mistake Reaper did early in their project by putting the freebie stretch goals too close together. You have 1300 backers now, and could potentially reach 5000 or more by the end, so just remember that every freebie could possibly need 5000 copies. I wouldn't want you to lose money on this project.


I wouldn't worry too much about that.

This one seems very well planned out, and once plastic tooling is purchased, the cost of the miniatures themselves is not excessive.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 16:59:51


Post by: chaos0xomega


Will we e seeing more "re-releases" like the flower knight? I've always wanted a wet nurse... >.>


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 18:03:03


Post by: Alpharius


chaos0xomega wrote:
Will we e seeing more "re-releases" like the flower knight? I've always wanted a wet nurse... >.>


That particular model might not be a good idea for Kickstarter - as I'm sure you're well aware.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 18:47:27


Post by: RiTides


You can get that model in plastic by purchasing "Experiment of Death" from his site.

Original male survivor model for all Survivor level now that we've passed 275K

Now I just want Forsaker, Twilight Knight to get added (and maybe Lion Knight for a monster).


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 19:08:16


Post by: Bolognesus


The contents list "2' x 3' Game board"; what exactly does that entail?
The one picture showing something like contents shows a rather spiffy set of plastic 3D tiles, seemingly an inch square. Does the game actually include 2'x3' of that (which would seem *awfully* good value!) or is it a bit of that, and a lot of card/whatever?
Can't really find the answer myself on the KS or in this or the previous topic, I'm afraid.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 19:26:07


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


we have no further info on this,

so it's a question for Adam when he wakes up again


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 19:26:53


Post by: DaveC


I think the game board will be printed on heavy card like most other board games there is a preview of the artwork in the video (@4:58) I assume the board will fold in the center. The 3D tiles are just for display purpose for the KS as the board isn't finished yet but wouldn't it be great if they where made available later so we can make custom boards.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 19:36:39


Post by: TheSecretSquig


 DaveC wrote:
 TheSecretSquig wrote:


I understand that the game allows you to customise your models with various bits of armour and weapons. My question is are they interchangeable? As a modeller and a gamer I want my game model to be WYSIWYG, but at the scale of the models in the game and the constant changing of weapons and armour, are the parts going to be interchangeable?

My fear is that you'll assemble a model how you like, but will have to glue one option on the model, thus making all the other parts redundant, and having a model that doesn't fit the game you are playing.


The end of the video shows miniatures made by mixing all the kits so it looks like they are all fully interchangeable but they will need to be glued together permanently unless you get creative with magnets.

EDIT I've screencapped them and attached them below


The parts look too small to all be magnetised. So we'll have to glue them, meaning I'll have loads of bits I can't use, and I'll most likely have a non WYSIWIG model? I may be labouring on this point but it is a very importent one for me.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 19:49:16


Post by: Alpharius


I think only the truly detail obsessed will lose sleep over that though.

We should have enough bits to build the various types of armor/weapons/etc. you can find and make.

The gameplay cards will then say what you actually have.

Everything should be "close enough"!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 20:01:02


Post by: Bolognesus


With minis this size you'd be better off (especially in pvc) just drilling pin-holes and glueing the pin to only one of the parts - with stuff at that scale I think it's actually more practical than magnetization!

I'll just send a message through KS about the board


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 20:04:44


Post by: RiTides


Let us know what you find out! Remember he seems to sleep morning thru afternoon and stay up all night, though.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 20:06:16


Post by: NoQuestionzAsked


Very nice! Keep it coming!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 20:07:54


Post by: Bolognesus


 RiTides wrote:
Let us know what you find out! Remember he seems to sleep morning thru afternoon and stay up all night, though.


And since I don't know exactly what timezone he's in all I know is that I officially don't have a fethin' clue as to when he might answer.
...I'll pass on any information as soon as I get it, of course


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 20:18:51


Post by: DaveC


Adams on Eastern Standard Time he posted this morning that he generally sleeps 6am to 3pm EST but that was at 8am EST it's now 15:18 EST so I'd give him 2 or 3 hours to get going again today.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 20:27:14


Post by: Bolognesus


Ah, that's useful information okay, I'm sure he's going to have boatloads of msgs to wade through every time he wakes up for the next month-and-a-half; I'll be patient


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 20:54:21


Post by: kingdomdeath


I am based in Brooklyn NY, so I am in the EST. However I run vampire hours so, I'm usually asleep at around 6am and up at around 3pm EST.

And feel free to ask as many questions as you like.

@Tannhauser42, The reaper kickstarter scares me. It's not easy living in the shadow of that beast, I honestly have no idea how they are turning a profit. I guess they are a very old company and have the info structure in place to handle that kinda volume but… just wow. I actually meant to jump in as I am a Pathfinder fan, but i missed the cutoff while I was traveling. Thanks for the concern tho, it shows me that some people have a sense of what is reasonable and what is borderline impossible for a 1 person company ( like myself ) to pull off.

@Alpharius, It ends up being like 10k for the mold and $1 + per injection. This varies a ton of course, ( the damn phoenix takes up nearly 3 molds! ) So I am certainly doing my best to be cautious, but I would be lying if I said I didn't feel a certain pressure to push for a "can't so no" kickstarter deal. Thank you very much for the vote of confidence tho!

@The Flower Knight has been added! But the Wet Nurse will not make it into this campaign, I apologize.

@Bolognesus, Right now I have a 2'x3' board illustrated but not painted. The entire thing was unique and was put together the extremely talented artist that handles the majority of the concept art. ( Not the Pinup Stuff ) I plan on having it printed and mounted to a proper foldable game board so that you can use it when its time for a showdown with a monster! I can also so it being used for any popular grid based game as a board, however I will mention that the squares are a little larger then 1". I prefer the extra room and it doesn't feels better from a design standpoint when a model can fit in a square with a little breathing room. Your more "in it" then kinda on it.






Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 21:29:46


Post by: RiTides


Thanks so much for posting here with all the info!!

New monster around 300K as posted in KS comments sounds great! I hope to see more White Lion armor at some point later and maybe Forsaker and Twilight Knight...!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 21:32:17


Post by: catharsix


NEED MOAR PINUPS

Seriously though 9actually, the above is serious) it's quite exciting to see this begin to develop so well. I am curious to see what you could possibly keep adding to the pot for the next forty days though. Might I suggest... more pinups?

I have to say also that I really like the switch-out armor/gear options. Seems like a neat potential concept for a miniatures game! Why have to have 3-4 versions of every fig when you can play dress up with your little miniatures/dolls!

-C6


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 21:50:23


Post by: -Loki-


 kingdomdeath wrote:
@The Flower Knight has been added! But the Wet Nurse will not make it into this campaign, I apologize.


Probebly best to leave stuff like this out for non-kickstarter funded expansions, after the Tentacle Bentai debacle.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 21:55:17


Post by: Bolognesus


 kingdomdeath wrote:
@Bolognesus, Right now I have a 2'x3' board illustrated but not painted. The entire thing was unique and was put together the extremely talented artist that handles the majority of the concept art. ( Not the Pinup Stuff ) I plan on having it printed and mounted to a proper foldable game board so that you can use it when its time for a showdown with a monster! I can also so it being used for any popular grid based game as a board, however I will mention that the squares are a little larger then 1". I prefer the extra room and it doesn't feels better from a design standpoint when a model can fit in a square with a little breathing room. Your more "in it" then kinda on it.

Ah okay, that explains why there's no board in sight yet.
out of curiosity, might I inquire what those tiles in the picture are?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 22:05:22


Post by: Duncan_Idaho


Actually you can magnetize even those minis, but you need quite some experience and very calm hands.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 22:10:51


Post by: Bolognesus


It can be done but it's too fiddly, IMO. with big components I can use the kind of magnets which take significant force to dislodge; something this size parts could feasibly get knocked off and lost. I'll take pins for this stuff any day, but to each his own


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 22:35:44


Post by: Fafnir


Just a little less than $1000 until the Primal Huntress unlocks!



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/25 23:55:07


Post by: Alpharius


 RiTides wrote:
Thanks so much for posting here with all the info!!

New monster around 300K as posted in KS comments sounds great! I hope to see more White Lion armor at some point later and maybe Forsaker and Twilight Knight...!


I'd like those too!

Here's the quote, tantalizingly short of details as it is! :

Im up! But I am cheating by running off to dinner and to see Wreck it Ralph! But I shall return, maybe in time to put together the next stretch goal. If we hit 300k, i am thinking new monster. A big time new monster!


Also, saw Wreck It Ralph with my daughter this weekend - it was great, especially if you're like me (old?) and grew up in the 80's Video Game Beginnings!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 00:32:53


Post by: RiTides


I may have to see it. I'm sure we'll get the next stretch from KD soon, or wake up to it, since Adam's a night owl / vampire / etc


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 00:57:05


Post by: Rolt


Currently at $287,000, if there is going to be a new "big" monster at $300,000 its going to take no time at all to hit it at this rate. I wonder just how high this Kickstarter will go,
I could easily see it hitting the 1mil mark and topping Dreadball, Sedition Wars, Relic Knights, not so much Reaper Bones mind you, that was pure insanitiy, although I would
be happy to eat my words on this one.

Can't wait to see the Primal Huntress, she looks like shes going to be a wonderful little pin-up. Oh and I second Cat, more pin-ups please, I honestly believe that Kingdom Death
make the best pin-ups in the miniature industy, I've yet to see anything better, at least in my humble opinon.






Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 01:20:58


Post by: Zatsuku


I absolutely love the look of this, amazing stuff as always. I'm so broke right now though! Maybe my student loan for next semester will be in before this ends....

Update, might have a buddy going in halfsies with me. Possibly survivor level.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 02:12:09


Post by: Azazelx


 kingdomdeath wrote:


@Tannhauser42, The reaper kickstarter scares me. It's not easy living in the shadow of that beast, I honestly have no idea how they are turning a profit. I guess they are a very old company and have the info structure in place to handle that kinda volume but… just wow. I actually meant to jump in as I am a Pathfinder fan, but i missed the cutoff while I was traveling. Thanks for the concern tho, it shows me that some people have a sense of what is reasonable and what is borderline impossible for a 1 person company ( like myself ) to pull off.


Reaper don't need to turn a profit from the KS, and I doubt it's their intention. It's more like a large, interest-free loan that allows them to get an awful lot of tooling done and accelerate the moving of Bones production from China to Texas. If they break even financially but get that many new figures sculpted/molds ready for Bones, then they've achieved their goal. Once that's all done, the actual production costs for Bones figures is tiny. Hence the extraordinarily low RRP.

Same market and all (miniatures) but a different goal/outcome/business plan.






Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Rolt wrote:
Currently at $287,000, if there is going to be a new "big" monster at $300,000 its going to take no time at all to hit it at this rate. I wonder just how high this Kickstarter will go,
I could easily see it hitting the 1mil mark and topping Dreadball, Sedition Wars, Relic Knights, not so much Reaper Bones mind you, that was pure insanitiy, although I would
be happy to eat my words on this one.

Can't wait to see the Primal Huntress, she looks like shes going to be a wonderful little pin-up. Oh and I second Cat, more pin-ups please, I honestly believe that Kingdom Death
make the best pin-ups in the miniature industy, I've yet to see anything better, at least in my humble opinon.


I expect this KS to slow down dramatically very shortly. It's to be expected given the longer timeframe and the reason for the longer timeframe (Christmas/New Years in the middle.) It'll be interesting to see how much it slows down - The RBG KS had a huge surge initially when all of Tre's fans got on board, then slowed right down after that. The use of "early bird specials" also front-loads pledges even more dramatically as people take on high pledges with an "I can always drop out later" mentality. I'm expecting to see a broadly similar to RBG pattern here. The big KD fans are on and in, and so the surge will slow right down. After that, it's more casual types (like me) deciding if they want in or not. Which will be based on the sculpts and their perceived value for money.








Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 02:44:48


Post by: catharsix


 Rolt wrote:
.

Can't wait to see the Primal Huntress, she looks like shes going to be a wonderful little pin-up. Oh and I second Cat, more pin-ups please, I honestly believe that Kingdom Death
make the best pin-ups in the miniature industy, I've yet to see anything better, at least in my humble opinon.



It' the zaftig-ness that makes them so awesome! (At least in design terms. The execution, in sculpting and casting terms, is also important, of course).

-C6


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 03:14:43


Post by: kingdomdeath


Only one question! You guys are taking it easy on me!


@Bolognusus, The tiles are a little prototype I made at home. If there is enough interest maybe I can add them as an option. They were digitally sculpted by the same artist that worked on the white lion and were printed. There are 4 different tiles and I made the board by casting them several times, painting them grey and mounting em to a piece of foam board.

I thought it made for nicer presentation since when I started the pitch video I didn't have much artwork for the game board yet. At this point and time the line work is done, there is a little shot of 1/6th of it towards the end of the video.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 04:03:10


Post by: Bolognesus


Ah, okay that explains
You know what would be great? Selling HirstArts like molds for them (not gonna happen, I know )


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 04:24:09


Post by: plastictrees


scipio.au wrote:
I expect this KS to slow down dramatically very shortly. It's to be expected given the longer timeframe and the reason for the longer timeframe (Christmas/New Years in the middle.) It'll be interesting to see how much it slows down - The RBG KS had a huge surge initially when all of Tre's fans got on board, then slowed right down after that. The use of "early bird specials" also front-loads pledges even more dramatically as people take on high pledges with an "I can always drop out later" mentality. I'm expecting to see a broadly similar to RBG pattern here. The big KD fans are on and in, and so the surge will slow right down. After that, it's more casual types (like me) deciding if they want in or not. Which will be based on the sculpts and their perceived value for money.


If Adam can start pulling in miniature fans, board game fans, fans of his various artists (the pinups in particular) then the inevitable lull might be mitigated somewhat. If the "lull" is 8-16k a day prior to the final week surge then that's pretty awesome.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 04:33:55


Post by: Fafnir


Honestly, even if the kickstarter were to stop completely at this point, it would still be an incredible success.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 05:21:07


Post by: plastictrees


I won't be happy until I'm swimming in fifty stretch goals worth of nightmare boob maidens and nightmare boob monsters.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 06:43:19


Post by: IdentifyZero


This kickstarter makes me extremely sad.

I am serious, I finally saved up enough cash to buy most of the pinups I wanted, all in stock on CMON as of Saturday. I went to order them...

.....

.....

All except like 3 models are sold out, there is almost nothing left. I've been wanting to buy a Twilight Knight Pinup forever and kept waiting on the KD store to restock, then found out CMON had them on sale two weeks ago. Started putting cash aside to do one big order....

So, thanks to all the bandwagon jumpers, I can't get these models I wanted, likely ever.

Did I mention I'm seriously pissed?

Adam, please offer all of the sold out stuff on the Kickstarter so I can buy the items I want and while you're at it, please find a better cost for shipping to Canada. Between the shipping cost of the KS & all of these minis selling out, I'm in need of another bowl.

P.S. - Re-release all the pinups with good production runs, I've never been this annoyed about something selling out after it initially sold out.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 06:47:10


Post by: djphranq


@IdentifyZero: I totally hate it when that happens bro. That kind of bums me out. There's been KD stuff that I've wanted too prior to the kickstarter starting... now it'll be tough to get stuff.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 06:47:46


Post by: Fafnir


 IdentifyZero wrote:
This kickstarter makes me extremely sad.

I am serious, I finally saved up enough cash to buy most of the pinups I wanted, all in stock on CMON as of Saturday. I went to order them...

.....

.....

All except like 3 models are sold out, there is almost nothing left. I've been wanting to buy a Twilight Knight Pinup forever and kept waiting on the KD store to restock, then found out CMON had them on sale two weeks ago. Started putting cash aside to do one big order....


If one of the pinups you were looking for was the pinup Survivor, you can blame me. Got the very last one. Was on the fence for a while, but the sale combined with the kickstarter and low stock pushed me to grab it.

while you're at it, please find a better cost for shipping to Canada. Between the shipping cost of the KS & all of these minis selling out, I'm in need of another bowl.


This I can't stress enough. The money saved on shipping costs would only get redirected towards more Kingdom Death stuff.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 06:57:10


Post by: IdentifyZero


 djphranq wrote:
@IdentifyZero: I totally hate it when that happens bro. That kind of bums me out. There's been KD stuff that I've wanted too prior to the kickstarter starting... now it'll be tough to get stuff.


Yep, now it's basically impossible. Everything on his website is sold out and everything on CMON is going to be sold out. Just tried to buy the 3 items I could get and want but nope, having an error with checkout. Guarantee they will be sold out by the time I go to another PC today!

 Fafnir wrote:
 IdentifyZero wrote:
This kickstarter makes me extremely sad.

I am serious, I finally saved up enough cash to buy most of the pinups I wanted, all in stock on CMON as of Saturday. I went to order them...

.....

.....

All except like 3 models are sold out, there is almost nothing left. I've been wanting to buy a Twilight Knight Pinup forever and kept waiting on the KD store to restock, then found out CMON had them on sale two weeks ago. Started putting cash aside to do one big order....


If one of the pinups you were looking for was the pinup Survivor, you can blame me. Got the very last one. Was on the fence for a while, but the sale combined with the kickstarter and low stock pushed me to grab it.

while you're at it, please find a better cost for shipping to Canada. Between the shipping cost of the KS & all of these minis selling out, I'm in need of another bowl.


This I can't stress enough. The money saved on shipping costs would only get redirected towards more Kingdom Death stuff.


Thanks... it was one of several. Most important was Twilight Knight Pinup, I should have just bought them all when I had the chance. At least you got one, I was really hoping to get the Twilight Knight pinup and now I'm sulking.

Edit: Yeah, I'm ranting about $25 a pop models when most of the world lives in poverty. So what.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 07:04:19


Post by: Fafnir


The Twilight Knight pinup is really good. Intimidates the hell out of me though. one day I'll paint it. One day. Maybe when I get some free time for once.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 07:08:26


Post by: plastictrees


Just ordered the Great Game Hunter Pinup, mostly to see how much I like the resin casts before I make my final pledge decision in January.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, 300K stretch = Dragon King.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 07:21:00


Post by: kingdomdeath


@IdentifyZero, is that a holiday wish? I like the idea of making peoples holiday wishes come true! I am waiting on a restock of the pinups, when I get them in I will add them to the site. Are you on the mailing list? I'll give everyone a nudge once they are available.

If my resin partner gives me the thumbs up, I will add more resin stuff to the kickstarter. Right now I am trying to keep the campaign focused on new stuff that is related to it.

Thanks for letting me know tho!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 07:23:29


Post by: IdentifyZero


 kingdomdeath wrote:
@IdentifyZero, is that a holiday wish? I like the idea of making peoples holiday wishes come true! I am waiting on a restock of the pinups, when I get them in I will add them to the site. Are you on the mailing list? I'll give everyone a nudge once they are available.

If my resin partner gives me the thumbs up, I will add more resin stuff to the kickstarter. Right now I am trying to keep the campaign focused on new stuff that is related to it.

Thanks for letting me know tho!



Yes dude, that is definitely a holiday wish.

I should be on the mailing list currently to! I will have to see if I registered with my new email, the old one got horribly hacked. :/

Really looking forward to seeing what else you have in store for your line and the kickstarter.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 07:35:43


Post by: plastictrees


Dammit IdentityZero! Why didn't you make your holiday wish cheaper Canadian shipping?!! Selfish!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 07:50:57


Post by: IdentifyZero


plastictrees wrote:
Dammit IdentityZero! Why didn't you make your holiday wish cheaper Canadian shipping?!! Selfish!


I thought that was included in my wish to Kingdom Death Santa!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 08:15:16


Post by: Fafnir


Oh my... the Dragon King teaser looks fantastic. It must happen.

I've come to the conclusion that I'll probably end up blowing my entire miniature budget for the upcoming year for this kickstarter. And I'm pretty okay with this. 2012 was a good year to quit 40k.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 10:57:57


Post by: RiTides


Yeah, I feel where you're coming from Fafnir.

I hope KD stays up long enough to update after we hit 300K in an hour or two!! Would be great to see the Dragon King (Is this THE King???) and the next stretch!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 11:25:41


Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti


Wow! Only just stumbled upon this and the quality look amazing!

This makes what I spend my christmas money on, so much harder, think it will come down to the stretch goals..............and that huntress *drools*


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 11:36:10


Post by: Bacms


Just subbing this


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 11:53:30


Post by: Alpharius


The Dragon King Expansion will soon be unlocked - I wonder how much extra this huge beast is going to cost us!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 12:13:25


Post by: gpfunk


I notice a lot of the miniatures are the "add 15 dollars to your pledge" sort of thing. Is it possible for someone of low funds to, say, pledge a dollar and then tack on the various single miniatures? Is there a minimum donation required to start tacking things on?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 12:23:22


Post by: Zweischneid


 gpfunk wrote:
I notice a lot of the miniatures are the "add 15 dollars to your pledge" sort of thing. Is it possible for someone of low funds to, say, pledge a dollar and then tack on the various single miniatures? Is there a minimum donation required to start tacking things on?


Yes and no.

Yes you can just add stuff to a minimum pledge.

No, there is no 1 dollar pledge.

You need a "minimum" pledge. Some Kickstarters have a 1 dollar pledge. This one doesn't. You'll need to do the US$ 10 for the digital art book or the $30 for the artbook and the Adam & Anna Miniatures. From those on, you can add what you like.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 12:33:44


Post by: gpfunk


 Zweischneid wrote:
 gpfunk wrote:
I notice a lot of the miniatures are the "add 15 dollars to your pledge" sort of thing. Is it possible for someone of low funds to, say, pledge a dollar and then tack on the various single miniatures? Is there a minimum donation required to start tacking things on?


Yes and no.

Yes you can just add stuff to a minimum pledge.

No, there is no 1 dollar pledge.

You need a "minimum" pledge. Some Kickstarters have a 1 dollar pledge. This one doesn't. You'll need to do the US$ 10 for the digital art book or the $30 for the artbook and the Adam & Anna Miniatures. From those on, you can add what you like.


Thank you very much for your prompt reply! Honestly, the mini's are so friggen beautiful that i'd love to buy them all. I simply need to find 100+ dollars lying around the house.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 12:41:57


Post by: endtransmission


 kingdomdeath wrote:

@Bolognusus, The tiles are a little prototype I made at home. If there is enough interest maybe I can add them as an option. They were digitally sculpted by the same artist that worked on the white lion and were printed. There are 4 different tiles and I made the board by casting them several times, painting them grey and mounting em to a piece of foam board.



3d board tiles, or a mould to create the tiles, would be an awesome addition to the kickstarter. Consider the idea seconded


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 13:52:31


Post by: Alpharius


 endtransmission wrote:
 kingdomdeath wrote:

@Bolognusus, The tiles are a little prototype I made at home. If there is enough interest maybe I can add them as an option. They were digitally sculpted by the same artist that worked on the white lion and were printed. There are 4 different tiles and I made the board by casting them several times, painting them grey and mounting em to a piece of foam board.



3d board tiles, or a mould to create the tiles, would be an awesome addition to the kickstarter. Consider the idea seconded


I can't imagine the cost for a full 2' x 3' board's worth of them though!

Also - are there pictures of the Adam & Anna Miniatures somewhere?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 14:02:07


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


No, all we've seen of Adam & Anna is the art so far

(oh yes and the Dragon King has fallen, we're just waiting for Adam to arrive and give us a new target & a propper look at the new Shiny)


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:14:24


Post by: IdentifyZero


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
No, all we've seen of Adam & Anna is the art so far

(oh yes and the Dragon King has fallen, we're just waiting for Adam to arrive and give us a new target & a propper look at the new Shiny)


Yeah, Adam should be happy when he logs in.

On an unrelated note, is there any way to avoid seeing Keegan Kor's commenting on yet another KICKSTARTER?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:19:19


Post by: Ghiest1


So he is now above 300k, new images should be up soon.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:25:39


Post by: IdentifyZero


 Ghiest1 wrote:
So he is now above 300k, new images should be up soon.


He just posted some avatars, said he will update everything else today!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:30:25


Post by: Alpharius


I don't think "Keegan Kor" holds any more weight there than anyone else.

Best bet?

Ignore him if he bothers you that much!

It is just too bad there's no actual "Ignore" feature on KS like there is on Dakka Dakka!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:31:16


Post by: Ghiest1


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It' the zaftig-ness that makes them so awesome! (At least in design terms. The execution, in sculpting and casting terms, is also important, of course).

-C6


I tend to agree here, even while in the gothic/fantasy genre he has kept the lushness of their curves intact, it makes a much more pleasing model, as pin-ups really should have curves. Of course those who do not like that are welcome to give their extra models to me


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:33:48


Post by: Bacms


It is just me or the whole projected seems to be getting a lot bigger than what he expected and so things seems to be a bit out of control? The delay in posting new stretch goals seems almost like he is trying to pace out the pledges


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:41:20


Post by: Chaplain Pallantide


Is it just me, but whenever I look at the female sculpts for the game, I hear Queen's song, "Fat Bottom Girls" in my head. To me that's not a bad thing.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:46:45


Post by: Zweischneid


 Bacms wrote:
It is just me or the whole projected seems to be getting a lot bigger than what he expected and so things seems to be a bit out of control? The delay in posting new stretch goals seems almost like he is trying to pace out the pledges


Wait, are you saying he didn't blithely expect to have the biggest Tabletop Kickstarter in Kickstarter's history on his hands?

No, I don't think he (or anyone) quite expected this to earn US$ 100.000+ per day.

Here's a few lines from the recent Frontline Gamer interview?


FLG: Well at least we’re doing this interview now I guess, which is fortuitous for you as you’re just about to embark on a Kickstarter for your first game set in the Kingdom Death universe, ‘Kingdom Death - Monster’. So how nervous are you about the campaign? You’ve got a pretty high initial target of $50,000’s (this was changed to $35,000's) are you at all worried?

AP: I AM SUPER NERVOUS!




Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 15:48:48


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Adam awakes and adds a collection of Kingdom Death : Monster avatar pics for you to choose from

http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/KD-Avatar-Pack-1.zip

see them on the update below

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 16:30:35


Post by: Bacms


 Zweischneid wrote:
 Bacms wrote:
It is just me or the whole projected seems to be getting a lot bigger than what he expected and so things seems to be a bit out of control? The delay in posting new stretch goals seems almost like he is trying to pace out the pledges


Wait, are you saying he didn't blithely expect to have the biggest Tabletop Kickstarter in Kickstarter's history on his hands?

No, I don't think he (or anyone) quite expected this to earn US$ 100.000+ per day.

Here's a few lines from the recent Frontline Gamer interview?


Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 16:41:55


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


Here I am, carefully budgeting for December's Infinity purchases.

And then this happens.

*throws 200 dollars at the internet*

Well... there goes my drinking money this month.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 16:41:55


Post by: Zweischneid


 Bacms wrote:


Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on


Which is true. But "keeping the crowd entertained" is part of the task one has to do in running a Kickstarter, and doing so for 40+ days is a tall order. So he'll have to do some performance.

That said, I think there's still room to go, not least because we obviously haven't seen that huge king-monster teased at the end of the video. And the Dragon-thingy likely isn't it. I am fairly sure there's a plan for a few more 100K goals up his sleeves.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 16:47:04


Post by: Alpharius


 Bacms wrote:


Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on


If that happens, we'll still be OK, but the campaign might slow way down and not hit the projected potential of multiple millions.

Some things he can do is add in 'free' miniatures at the "Survivor" level and above, sprinkled in with more "add this miniature in for $x" type of 'rewards'.

This gets more new backers to commit and also gets already committed backers to increase their pledge.

A tried and true formula.

Plus, with a ship date of a year from now, he should be able to figure it all out IF it is planned well, and it looks like it should be well planned!



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 16:49:18


Post by: Duncan_Idaho


@Bolgonesus

Nope, they will hold quite well. Over here I can get 100 1x1mm Neodym magnets for under 15 Euro (incl. shipping) with a strength of at least ND40 which should do just fine. and since they are quite flatt drilling will be quite easy. The only problem is placing them correctly cause they are so small.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 16:59:00


Post by: endtransmission


 Bacms wrote:
Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on


I'm pretty sure those comments refer to the bits he can add to the core box. He has mentioned a number of times that there are loads more monsters he wants to add as expansions. I suspect there won't be masses of freebies, but lots of really great expansions with large creatures. I could see some larger expansions that are a creature, plus new armour sets made from bits of said monster... it wouldn't surprise me if the Dragon has a dragon armour set sometime in the future


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 17:40:36


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


Is it just me, or does anyone else REALLY have the urge to play Dark Souls?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 17:53:41


Post by: Bolognesus


 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
@Bolgonesus

Nope, they will hold quite well. Over here I can get 100 1x1mm Neodym magnets for under 15 Euro (incl. shipping) with a strength of at least ND40 which should do just fine. and since they are quite flatt drilling will be quite easy. The only problem is placing them correctly cause they are so small.


I know they hold - as long as minis don't get knocked over. I've seen ND50 used at that size and when that guy knocked over a few models, some arms went spinning away; took him quite a while to find everything again. pins don't do that as easily. Still, and again, to each his own. just know that magnets, too, have their disadvantages...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 18:09:17


Post by: Rolt


 Bacms wrote:
. I could see some larger expansions that are a creature, plus new armour sets made from bits of said monster... it wouldn't surprise me if the Dragon has a dragon armour set sometime in the future


There is going to be Dragon Armour, If you look at the Dragon King stretch goal picture, near the bottom at the dragons feet you can see two silhouette's
of Male and Female characters in armour that has the same "Ring" design on the back, same as the dragon king himself, the armour most likely
comes as part of the expansion.

Is it just me, or does anyone else REALLY have the urge to play Dark Souls?

Ha ha YES!, love the demons souls and dark souls games, in a weird way the whole kill monsters and craft weapons/armour from their remains thing really
reminds me of the Monster Hunter series of games, if you've ever heard of it.

I really want a Maiden in Black miniature now.....



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 18:55:27


Post by: Eliazar


Thought I'd wish for some re-releases, too

White Speaker Nico would be quite awesome, she's the first model I saw of the line, immediately got me hooked, but then she was long sold out already.

I also quite like the miniatures from the Gift of Death, especially the man-hunter and the saviour. Would love to see all of them at some point during the KS

Good work so far, though, I really love all the add-ons, need to check how many I can get


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 19:28:13


Post by: Elemental


Oh yes, I'd happily throw money at a re-release of the White Speakers, Mother or Great Game Hunter.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 19:41:44


Post by: Salacious Greed


Wonder if you will be able to get some of the pinups artwork separately from the resin pieces. The plastic figures are fine for play, but would like some of the artwork.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 19:46:54


Post by: IdentifyZero


*keeps fingers crossed for cheaper canadian shipping + re-releases of sold outs via kickstarter*


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 20:44:16


Post by: Altruizine


I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 20:50:20


Post by: Alpharius


Good point - maybe he'll eventually add in a Canadian Shipping version?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 20:51:36


Post by: Cyporiean


Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....


$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 21:00:59


Post by: plastictrees


Yeah, thinking about what I'm actually going to be getting at Survivor level I'm not bothered by the Canadian shipping any more.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 21:06:02


Post by: Alpharius


 Cyporiean wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....


$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.


There you go then - that's that sorted!

Now, on to more stretch goals, please!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 21:19:01


Post by: IdentifyZero


 Alpharius wrote:
 Cyporiean wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....


$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.


There you go then - that's that sorted!

Now, on to more stretch goals, please!


Tasty Delicious Stretch Goals. *drools*


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 21:32:26


Post by: Altruizine


 Cyporiean wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....


$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.

That sucks. I guess I still just have no idea how the postal service pricing works. Like I can order a huge 1' x 2' box of crap from The Warstore for >$20, but then the flat-rate for an even smaller box is somehow more expensive.

Anyway, I can't swallow a 50% shipping tax, so I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers that a regular retail version of the game will eventually become available.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 21:41:25


Post by: Makaleth


Altruizine wrote:
 Cyporiean wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....


$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.

That sucks. I guess I still just have no idea how the postal service pricing works. Like I can order a huge 1' x 2' box of crap from The Warstore for >$20, but then the flat-rate for an even smaller box is somehow more expensive.

Anyway, I can't swallow a 50% shipping tax, so I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers that a regular retail version of the game will eventually become available.


Or that the added extras will be worth more to you than the 50% shipping tax.
There is already a tonne of added stuff. And all of the extras on top are free shipping (as $45 covers the lot)


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 22:05:57


Post by: LordRogalDorn


I have to say that I'm looking forward to this. I have been keeping an eye on the Kingdom Death minis for a while now, but never thought to get any. Now that there is a game to go with it I'm pretty excited for this release.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 22:19:23


Post by: Alpharius


 Makaleth wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
 Cyporiean wrote:
Altruizine wrote:
I've always admired the KoD stuff from afar, but had no reason to purchase anything.

This is really tempting, but I think the $45 Canadian shipping has priced me out. How does that even make sense? Surely the USPS has a North American flat-rate option that is less than that....


$40 for the USPS Large Flat Rate Box to Canada: http://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10054&m=13&p=0&o=1&mt=11

And thats only if it all fits into a 12x12x6" box.

That sucks. I guess I still just have no idea how the postal service pricing works. Like I can order a huge 1' x 2' box of crap from The Warstore for >$20, but then the flat-rate for an even smaller box is somehow more expensive.

Anyway, I can't swallow a 50% shipping tax, so I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers that a regular retail version of the game will eventually become available.


Or that the added extras will be worth more to you than the 50% shipping tax.
There is already a tonne of added stuff. And all of the extras on top are free shipping (as $45 covers the lot)


That is a VERY good point, as the 'retail' on many of the $15 add-ons looks to be $30.

So, if you spend enough to get them, you'll be ahead of the game?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 22:23:57


Post by: Zweischneid


 Alpharius wrote:


That is a VERY good point, as the 'retail' on many of the $15 add-ons looks to be $30.

So, if you spend enough to get them, you'll be ahead of the game?


That is the fast-lane to Kickstarters Anonymous.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 22:31:24


Post by: Alpharius


 Zweischneid wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:


That is a VERY good point, as the 'retail' on many of the $15 add-ons looks to be $30.

So, if you spend enough to get them, you'll be ahead of the game?


That is the fast-lane to Kickstarters Anonymous.


Don't I know it!

It is that reverse 'logic' that if you spend more, you'll be saving so much!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/26 22:38:00


Post by: recruittons


Wait, so me getting 2 vampire sets from Reaper Bones wasn't saving me money? I dun been had!

But seriously, I'm in for survivor + some extras. Been eyeing KD for a while. I couldn't resist if I wanted to.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 00:50:54


Post by: Bacms


 Alpharius wrote:
 Bacms wrote:


Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on


If that happens, we'll still be OK, but the campaign might slow way down and not hit the projected potential of multiple millions.

Some things he can do is add in 'free' miniatures at the "Survivor" level and above, sprinkled in with more "add this miniature in for $x" type of 'rewards'.

This gets more new backers to commit and also gets already committed backers to increase their pledge.

A tried and true formula.

Plus, with a ship date of a year from now, he should be able to figure it all out IF it is planned well, and it looks like it should be well planned!



The lack of updates it is a clear signal he is trying to down the campaign and so not hit the projected potential. Let's see how it goes


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 00:59:02


Post by: plastictrees


Adam stated that he's traveling today, plus he keeps Bruce Wayne hours.
I don't think anyone would have planned for this campaign to get so big so fast. It's clear that he did do a lot of planning, but there's no way he expected to blow through 10+ stretches/ add ons in four days.
It would be nice to see more than one stretch in advance, but he might need a few days to get there.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 02:48:42


Post by: IdentifyZero


You guys need to give him a chance, he has things well under control!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 02:49:54


Post by: squall018


I just saw this thread and hopped over to the kickstarter page and all I have to say is THIS LOOKS AWESOME!!! Never pledged on kickstarter but I might just start with this.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:20:02


Post by: Alpharius


 Bacms wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Bacms wrote:


Kind of what I mean is it seems to be clear he is reaching the limit on the stuff he seems to think he can add to the game. Except we still have 40+ days to go... He has been trying to point several times in his posts he is reaching the limit in terms of what he can include, what the manufacturer can produce and so on


If that happens, we'll still be OK, but the campaign might slow way down and not hit the projected potential of multiple millions.

Some things he can do is add in 'free' miniatures at the "Survivor" level and above, sprinkled in with more "add this miniature in for $x" type of 'rewards'.

This gets more new backers to commit and also gets already committed backers to increase their pledge.

A tried and true formula.

Plus, with a ship date of a year from now, he should be able to figure it all out IF it is planned well, and it looks like it should be well planned!



The lack of updates it is a clear signal he is trying to down the campaign and so not hit the projected potential. Let's see how it goes


You're not serious, are you?

Anyway... we've got 40+ days to go - more than enough time for things to get even more interesting than they already are!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:20:39


Post by: Tannhauser42


 plastictrees wrote:
I don't think anyone would have planned for this campaign to get so big so fast. It's clear that he did do a lot of planning, but there's no way he expected to blow through 10+ stretches/ add ons in four days.
It would be nice to see more than one stretch in advance, but he might need a few days to get there.


It's also quite possible that he has to work with his manufacturer before making any further commitments. The project is at 1500+ backers now. That may be the final amount they had planned for, but instead it looks to be a fraction of what will end up being the final tally. 41 days to go, that's a lot to plan ahead for.

Interesting note: bases on the current performance, Kicktraq has it trending towards almost $3,000,000. I doubt that will happen, as this seems like one of those projects that will level off for awhile and then pick up steam again, but we'll see.
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:26:33


Post by: Fafnir


Yeah, I think the project will probably finish off at around 500,000. Maybe a million. I expect it to slow down a fair bit from here on out.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:31:54


Post by: squall018


Just a question as I'm new to kickstarter, but is there any kind of guarantee if you pledge money? I'm not saying anyone would intentionally take the money and run, but I've never pledged before and was just wondering.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:37:59


Post by: RiTides


It's going wayyy past 500K, if past KS are any guide!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:40:07


Post by: Krinsath


 squall018 wrote:
Just a question as I'm new to kickstarter, but is there any kind of guarantee if you pledge money? I'm not saying anyone would intentionally take the money and run, but I've never pledged before and was just wondering.


Guarantee is a strong word. There is a binding legal agreement via KickStarter to fulfill promised rewards, but if a creator just bombs miserably you have very few options. Not to say you have no recourse, just that it's unlikely you'll see much out of it. In this case, a company that's been extant for 3 years with a strong product line and plan seems less likely to be an issue, but it's still caveat emptor.

More information available at http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter%20basics#Acco


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:40:10


Post by: Alpharius


Tannhauser42 wrote:
 plastictrees wrote:
I don't think anyone would have planned for this campaign to get so big so fast. It's clear that he did do a lot of planning, but there's no way he expected to blow through 10+ stretches/ add ons in four days.
It would be nice to see more than one stretch in advance, but he might need a few days to get there.


It's also quite possible that he has to work with his manufacturer before making any further commitments. The project is at 1500+ backers now. That may be the final amount they had planned for, but instead it looks to be a fraction of what will end up being the final tally. 41 days to go, that's a lot to plan ahead for.

Interesting note: bases on the current performance, Kicktraq has it trending towards almost $3,000,000. I doubt that will happen, as this seems like one of those projects that will level off for awhile and then pick up steam again, but we'll see.
http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/


I think it will be closer to 1 to 1.5 million.

I think the 'delay' we're seeing now is due to the desire to have good, attainable stretch goals - for all parties involved!

Also, we're spoiled a bit by the number of updates we got in the opening rounds!

Fafnir wrote:Yeah, I think the project will probably finish off at around 500,000. Maybe a million. I expect it to slow down a fair bit from here on out.


That's quite they range there, Mr. Vegas!

squall018 wrote:Just a question as I'm new to Kickstarter, but is there any kind of guarantee if you pledge money? I'm not saying anyone would intentionally take the money and run, but I've never pledged before and was just wondering.


Nope, no guarantee at all really, but if you back a project from an 'established' player, you're probably OK.

About the only guarantee we have is that the more successful a Kickstarter, the longer the delay in getting everything delivered - for obvious reasons!

Though with the delivery date on this one going to this time next year, we should be fine!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:40:56


Post by: plastictrees


No guarantee.
You only pay if a Kickstarter gets funded (which this one has been). In a way you are gambling on the history of a given company or individual.
Kingdom Death has been around for a few years now and Adam seems to have a good handle on costs and timeframe, but ultimately you are paying in advance for something that doesn't entirely exist yet.
The upside to that is that you are generally getting more product than you would at retail for your money and exclusive product that you couldn't get outside the KS.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:45:09


Post by: squall018


Thanks for the replies guys. Looks cool enough that I think I'm gonna get in on this. Now the only question is how much!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:49:28


Post by: recruittons


 squall018 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys. Looks cool enough that I think I'm gonna get in on this. Now the only question is how much!


If you like painting or arranging minis, I definitely recommend the Survivor level at $155. You get the Anna and Adam minis, 5 extra King's Men, an extra Watcher, an extra Phoenix, Survivor Paul, 2 extra sets of Phoenix armor kits, and 2 more rawhide armor kit minis. Plus a t-shirt, if you're into that sort of thing as a reward. If he keeps up like this, the value will just be way too good to miss.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:50:01


Post by: RiTides


No guarantee, so that's why you choose ones that have put out high quality product (if not on the same scale) before.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:53:38


Post by: Schmapdi


I've a question for when the creator gets back.

What are we looking at cost-wise for future KD releases? Will they all be in plastic and readily available from the end of the Kickstarter on?

$15 for a single plastic mini is kinda hard to stomach, and with that being the kickstarter (i.e. - usually fairly heavily discounted) price - I'm a bit worried that I might be setting myself up for a line I can't afford to keep up with in the future.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 03:59:37


Post by: IdentifyZero


Schmapdi wrote:
I've a question for when the creator gets back.

What are we looking at cost-wise for future KD releases? Will they all be in plastic and readily available from the end of the Kickstarter on?

$15 for a single plastic mini is kinda hard to stomach, and with that being the kickstarter (i.e. - usually fairly heavily discounted) price - I'm a bit worried that I might be setting myself up for a line I can't afford to keep up with in the future.


It MAY seem high but once you have checked out a few of those miniatures in person you realize it is worth it.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 04:07:01


Post by: Fafnir


Although the way I see it, if you're going to go for one of the KD single minis, you might as well go all out and get the resin version.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 04:20:56


Post by: AlexHolker


 squall018 wrote:
Just a question as I'm new to kickstarter, but is there any kind of guarantee if you pledge money? I'm not saying anyone would intentionally take the money and run, but I've never pledged before and was just wondering.

We don't know yet. Consumer protection law should apply to these pre-order Kickstarters, but there's no way to be 100% sure until someone tests it in court.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 07:19:31


Post by: Breotan


I don't believe there is a guarantee. That is why I select which Kickstarters I back with great care.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 07:43:01


Post by: DaveC


Update 14 has been posted

Dragon King and Dragon King Armour and expansion set - $30 add on no resin version yet still has to be priced up.



Lioness and lion armour upgrade next at $350,000


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 07:47:38


Post by: Fafnir


Well, that's 30 dollars gone. Although at $233 invested (that shipping cost is killing me), I'm starting to hit my ceiling.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 08:04:36


Post by: kingdomdeath


Good news for my across the border Canadian Friends!

I've looked into it, and chatted with my developer. The rate over to canada is much lower.

While a 7lb priority box to france costs $56 the same box only costs $36 to canada.

This means I can drop the shipping price for canadian backers at the pledge manager after the kickstarter is over. I cannot however had any additional shipping options to the kickstarter page directly. A limitation of the software.

For now please just pledge $30 for your shipping and we will work it out later. I'll make another announcement on the KS page later this week, but please do me a favor and let other canadian backers you know of the change.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 08:08:11


Post by: Fafnir


This is excellent news. But I won't be lowering my pledge


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 11:30:06


Post by: Bacms


Just increased my pledge to include all the extras in plastic with the exception of behind the wall which I want in resin. That means I already am at $291. Damn if this keeps going like this its going to be a very expensive kickstarter


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 11:49:25


Post by: IdentifyZero


 kingdomdeath wrote:
Good news for my across the border Canadian Friends!

I've looked into it, and chatted with my developer. The rate over to canada is much lower.

While a 7lb priority box to france costs $56 the same box only costs $36 to canada.

This means I can drop the shipping price for canadian backers at the pledge manager after the kickstarter is over. I cannot however had any additional shipping options to the kickstarter page directly. A limitation of the software.

For now please just pledge $30 for your shipping and we will work it out later. I'll make another announcement on the KS page later this week, but please do me a favor and let other canadian backers you know of the change.



Hey Bro, you're a great guy for doing this. I personally appreciate it and want to thank you on behalf of all Canadian customers for this. Even $15 cheaper shipping is a big deal, that's almost a resin figure! $10 more.

Thanks a bunch and this kind of attitude is EXACTLY why I will be pledging tons of cash your way my man.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 11:49:29


Post by: endtransmission


 Bacms wrote:
Just increased my pledge to include all the extras in plastic with the exception of behind the wall which I want in resin. That means I already am at $291. Damn if this keeps going like this its going to be a very expensive kickstarter


Don't forget that it is also going to have 20% (or whatever rate it is at the time) vat and a local posal handling fee on top of that when it gets sent to anywhere outside of the US. For my current bid, that's an extra £40 that I need to pay out... Why do I always forget this when backing things?

Oh. Pins of War thinks there is possibly also an import fee of 4.7% in the uk if the original order, plus shipping, exceeds £135 :/


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 12:23:39


Post by: Bacms


 endtransmission wrote:
 Bacms wrote:
Just increased my pledge to include all the extras in plastic with the exception of behind the wall which I want in resin. That means I already am at $291. Damn if this keeps going like this its going to be a very expensive kickstarter


Don't forget that it is also going to have 20% (or whatever rate it is at the time) vat and a local posal handling fee on top of that when it gets sent to anywhere outside of the US. For my current bid, that's an extra £40 that I need to pay out... Why do I always forget this when backing things?

Oh. Pins of War thinks there is possibly also an import fee of 4.7% in the uk if the original order, plus shipping, exceeds £135 :/


Thanks for the info on this. This is actually the first time I do a kickstarter where I have to consider that and wasn't aware of such a high increase in price due to that. At least it is not paid simultaneous with the pledge but still I will definitely take that into account. Which means I probably have to lower my pledges for the extra minis.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 12:50:17


Post by: RiTides


Kingdom Death- Is there any way to add extra survivors of a certain type??

Personally, I am after more White Lion armor. Maybe you can list an add-on cost for it in the next update?

I wish the +4 Phoenix armor and +4 Fur armor stretches had been ANY armor (backer chooses). At this rate, I'll have enough for 6 players of only the armors I dislike. I like symmetry, but with dragon armor and the like added, we'll never get 6-8 of them all.

So, the options: Can we add survivors/armor to our pledges? Any way to make them sets of 2 rather than 4 (probably not)? Any chance the extra Phoenix and Fur armor could be changed to: extra of ANY starting armor, backer chooses????

Thanks!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 13:22:47


Post by: Altruizine


 kingdomdeath wrote:
Good news for my across the border Canadian Friends!

I've looked into it, and chatted with my developer. The rate over to canada is much lower.

While a 7lb priority box to france costs $56 the same box only costs $36 to canada.

This means I can drop the shipping price for canadian backers at the pledge manager after the kickstarter is over. I cannot however had any additional shipping options to the kickstarter page directly. A limitation of the software.

For now please just pledge $30 for your shipping and we will work it out later. I'll make another announcement on the KS page later this week, but please do me a favor and let other canadian backers you know of the change.

Yes!!! I think the mere fact that you took the effort to research and update this is enough to get me to sign up to KS and pledge.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 14:02:47


Post by: Alpharius


 Bacms wrote:
Just increased my pledge to include all the extras in plastic with the exception of behind the wall which I want in resin. That means I already am at $291. Damn if this keeps going like this its going to be a very expensive kickstarter


I fully expect this one to be much like SW, Relic Knights, etc. and end up in the $400 range for a 'realistic' 'get them all' type of deal...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 14:09:00


Post by: zedmeister


I've a question for mr poots:

Any chance you could give us more details on the game components themselves? What materials they're made of, full breakdown, etc? What about plans for the rule book and/or additional game books? Full colour, stories included, etc?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 14:20:17


Post by: RiTides


Just to elaborate my earlier question- Letting people choose their extra armor sets should be doable since a survey must go out anyway (to find out what expansions / optional figures people pledged for).


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 14:26:33


Post by: Lansirill


 RiTides wrote:
Just to elaborate my earlier question- Letting people choose their extra armor sets should be doable since a survey must go out anyway (to find out what expansions / optional figures people pledged for).


That might depend on the manufacturer. I believe the armor kits are plastic and thus not being done in-house (okay, considering where he lives, it's probably in-apartment.) Personally I'd rather take a default, everyone gets the same stuff approach if it means keeping production costs down. Lower costs, after all, means we can get more stuffed in our boxes. And who doesn't love to get their box stuffed?

...okay, maybe I'm going a bit far with the pun there. I'll stop.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 15:45:11


Post by: RiTides


But if he lets people add armor sets as add-ons, they'll need to figure out what to include anyway. And they'll already be doing this for optional pin-ups, resins, etc.

I'm talking about Survivor bonuses, not the box contents, btw.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 15:48:09


Post by: Alpharius


 RiTides wrote:
But if he lets people add armor sets as add-ons, they'll need to figure out what to include anyway. And they'll already be doing this for optional pin-ups, resins, etc.

I'm talking about Survivor bonuses, not the box contents, btw.


Sounds like a good idea, and something that could be done while only adding a bit of complexity to the end of campaign pledge manager.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 16:05:38


Post by: lucasbuffalo


Pledged at 240. Yudothis to me kickstarter? :(


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 18:48:49


Post by: Fafnir


 RiTides wrote:
But if he lets people add armor sets as add-ons, they'll need to figure out what to include anyway. And they'll already be doing this for optional pin-ups, resins, etc.

I'm talking about Survivor bonuses, not the box contents, btw.


Honestly, I don't see it as being too big a deal. We'll probably end up hitting the stretches for all the extra main armour sets anyway, and I don't see why there'd be stretches to expand the expansion sets.

And besides, the Lion Armour Kit upgrade is only $7000 away. You'll probably get the additional armour set you want tonight.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 18:52:03


Post by: RiTides


I thought that was just to upgrade that armor kit, adding an additional piece- not to get more sets of it.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 21:30:08


Post by: RichS


I'm sorely tempted to back this, just waiting for some more details about the game. I sent a question via kickstarter and Adam said he would expand on the game play when he gets a chance.

The only thing I find slightly weird is that a game for up to 6 players contains 32 player characters and only 7 npcs. Hopefully there is an explanation for this and enough gameplay with only 7 monsters.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 21:31:40


Post by: Alpharius


I'm betting the many of the monsters will not be easy to defeat, and they'll be time spent developing a settlement, new armor and weapons, etc.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 21:35:31


Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti


Wooooooooooooo! Cheekly a nabbed 'Black Friday Round 3'!

Every little helps when the postage is $45 and then tax and postage handling over here!

Will put in for more when I see what crimbo monies I get


Automatically Appended Next Post:
RichS wrote:
I'm sorely tempted to back this, just waiting for some more details about the game. I sent a question via kickstarter and Adam said he would expand on the game play when he gets a chance.

The only thing I find slightly weird is that a game for up to 6 players contains 32 player characters and only 7 npcs. Hopefully there is an explanation for this and enough gameplay with only 7 monsters.


Both the flower fella and the dragons are expansions, a minor one and a major one respectively.

Though you are right, interesting to see there are so few NPC's/monsters, may show just how intricately this game is being designed which is good


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 21:48:17


Post by: RichS


I'm all for options in designing your character and needless to say a large number of backers will be in it purely for the minis, its more the reason behind containing so many in the base set rather than a few more monsters.

Even if there is a lot of game play with the settlement building and the monsters are difficult to beat, are a lot of the characters simply going to be sitting around in the box?

Don't get me wrong I'm very excited by this I'm just hoping it is as awesome as I was expecting.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 21:53:22


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


A bit of news pulled off the KS comments from Adam

@K. Davis, I have very mixed feelings about discount retailers and have no plans of working with any vendors that practice deep discounts. It hurts too many links in the chain and ultimately is contributing factor towards why game artists ( in the board / hobby niche ) are so grossly underpaid. I am not in any way discrediting the retailer of your choice and I understand the need of being fiscally responsible. Just wanted to let you know that the game / range may never go into major distribution in the same capacity most "big" games do. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTE: it sounds like he won't be putting the game into distribution such a way as to allow (much) 'online discounting', so if you're interested this MAY be the best time to get it


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 21:58:39


Post by: lucasbuffalo


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A bit of news pulled off the KS comments from Adam

@K. Davis, I have very mixed feelings about discount retailers and have no plans of working with any vendors that practice deep discounts. It hurts too many links in the chain and ultimately is contributing factor towards why game artists ( in the board / hobby niche ) are so grossly underpaid. I am not in any way discrediting the retailer of your choice and I understand the need of being fiscally responsible. Just wanted to let you know that the game / range may never go into major distribution in the same capacity most "big" games do. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTE: it sounds like he won't be putting the game into distribution such a way as to allow (much) 'online discounting', so if you're interested this MAY be the best time to get it


Definitely increases the value on the Kickstarter.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 22:12:29


Post by: BlueDagger


I have always been a huge fan of the pinups line from KD so \ the Fur pinup really piqued my interest. It's a pile of money for a game KS, but if you release more optional pinup version you're going to teleport the $ from my wallet.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/27 23:13:31


Post by: Sinful Hero


It would be awesome if we could get some of the artwork as posters or prints. I know I'd put up a little extra for a 36"x24" of Beyond the Wall to go in my game room... Or even a t-shirt of it.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 02:18:47


Post by: Azazelx


 endtransmission wrote:

Don't forget that it is also going to have 20% (or whatever rate it is at the time) vat and a local posal handling fee on top of that when it gets sent to anywhere outside of the US. For my current bid, that's an extra £40 that I need to pay out... Why do I always forget this when backing things?


Local postal handling fees appear to be something that varies from country to country. We don't have one here in Australia, though we do have quite high postal charges/prices when compared to the UK...

Same deal with VAT. Import taxes etc will vary by destination country.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 02:19:42


Post by: Rolt


Just hit the $350,000 mark, the lioness plus the lion armour kit upgrade are in.

Great job all, can't wait to see the lioness. Just saw the Dragon King, unbelivable, great design and I find it amazing his 8" tall, thats not far off a Forge World Titan (and no where near the cost)!
The Dragon King armour looks cool aswell, love the female version, the only thing I would personally alter about it, is that I would paint the bare skin area of the chest to resemble thick hide/leather
instead of exposed skin, but thats just me.

Oh well on to the next stretch goal, I'm sure it will be great.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 02:21:03


Post by: Azazelx


 RiTides wrote:
But if he lets people add armor sets as add-ons, they'll need to figure out what to include anyway. And they'll already be doing this for optional pin-ups, resins, etc.

I'm talking about Survivor bonuses, not the box contents, btw.


I'd like to see the box contents properly illustrated at some stage soon in photos on the page. I've got a BF survivor right now, but I'm going to need to see what exactly I'm buying before I let it go through the checkout...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 02:23:18


Post by: Salacious Greed


I'm with you. Make some posters or even just bigger prints of those pinups. That artist rocks!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 04:53:28


Post by: The Fragile Breath


Okay, so I apologize in advance, but I am extremely interested in backing this, but I've never really looked into kickstarters, so I'm extremely confused as to how it works.

Are some bonuses automatically added for backers while others are extra money? Apologies in advance if this information is right in front of my nose, I'm tired and often have difficulty understanding simple things when tired (I blame school).


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 05:05:02


Post by: Sinful Hero


 The Fragile Breath wrote:
Are some bonuses automatically added for backers while others are extra money? Apologies in advance if this information is right in front of my nose, I'm tired and often have difficulty understanding simple things when tired (I blame school).
Yes. Some bonuses are automatically added to the boxed game, some are added to the Survivor level and up, and some are add-ons only. It should say in the description under updates on the kickstarter page if you have to add money for it, or if it's automatically included in a level.
*edited for grammar


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 08:50:34


Post by: Herzlos


 Sinful Hero wrote:
It would be awesome if we could get some of the artwork as posters or prints. I know I'd put up a little extra for a 36"x24" of Beyond the Wall to go in my game room... Or even a t-shirt of it.


I'd definitely agree, maybe not as big. I guess the collectors editions come with postcards which are pretty cool, but it'd be nice to get the cards on their own or a bigger print.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 08:52:37


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 The Fragile Breath wrote:
Okay, so I apologize in advance, but I am extremely interested in backing this, but I've never really looked into kickstarters, so I'm extremely confused as to how it works.

Are some bonuses automatically added for backers while others are extra money? Apologies in advance if this information is right in front of my nose, I'm tired and often have difficulty understanding simple things when tired (I blame school).


First off remember you don't actually get your CC charged untill the END of the KS (early January) so you can pledge now and save for it in december (+ Xmas money)

Miniatures included in the base game ($100) & upgrades due to the KS so far (It's unlikely much will be added to this now):

4 Starting Survivor miniatures,
4 Armor Kits: rawhide, lion, leather, phoenix. Each kit is two female and two male models with interchangeable parts so 16 minis total.
7 Monsters - Lion, Phoenix, Antelope, Butcher, Kingsmen, Kings Hand, Watcher
Unarmored armor kit two male, 2 female
All new Lantern armor kits, two male and two female
All new Fur armour kits, two male & two female
2 new weapons (made from lion parts)

Upgrades to Survivor ($155 +) eligible game boxes:
extra Rawhide armor kits, two female two male
+ 1 Plastic Phoenix
+ 1 Plastic Watcher
extra Phoenix armor kits, two female two male
+ 5 Kingsmen, five models
+1 Paul the Survivor Model
extra Lion armour kits, 2 male, 2 female

Game Expansions (must increase pledge by the amount below to get these)

The Flower Knights Game Expansion ($15)
Dragon King Expansion ($30)

Optional minis (must increase your pledge by the amount below to get these)

Rawhide Dame, plastic ($15)
Rawhide Dame, collectors edition resin ($25)
Phoenix collectors edition resin ($150)
Beyond the Wall, plastic ($15)
Beyond the Wall, resin ($27)
Watcher, plastic ($15)
Watcher, resin ($35)
Phoenix Dancer, plastic ($15)
Phoenix Dancer, resin ($25)
Kingsmen Regiment x5 minis ($20)
Kingsmen Regiment x25 minis ($50)
The Flower Knight Resin ($29)
Paul the Survior Resin ($25)
Lioness Dame, plastic ($15)
Lioness Dame, resin ($25)

If you want the most free stuff the Survivor ($155) level is best, although stuff has been added to the basic game ($100) too.

If you are NOT an experienced mini painter don't buy the resins they are fragile & fiddly and won't be worth the money for you (you get a couple of resins free at the $155 level, but don't add more)

If you are keen on the idea of the game the expansions (flower knight & dragon) are half what Adam plans to sell them for, so grab them now, funds permitting

You don't have to buy eveything (tempting though it is!)

And remember delivery is planned for Nov 2013 (and may well slip based on all the KS I''ve backed)


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 08:54:58


Post by: Piston Honda


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A bit of news pulled off the KS comments from Adam

@K. Davis, I have very mixed feelings about discount retailers and have no plans of working with any vendors that practice deep discounts. It hurts too many links in the chain and ultimately is contributing factor towards why game artists ( in the board / hobby niche ) are so grossly underpaid. I am not in any way discrediting the retailer of your choice and I understand the need of being fiscally responsible. Just wanted to let you know that the game / range may never go into major distribution in the same capacity most "big" games do. I apologize for the inconvenience.

NOTE: it sounds like he won't be putting the game into distribution such a way as to allow (much) 'online discounting', so if you're interested this MAY be the best time to get it


interesting.

One of those things I can agree and disagree with.

Either way, I hope it is best for him and does not hurt him.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 10:20:48


Post by: kingdomdeath


This has been reposted many times, I feel I should amend the comment into a more formal statement.

I have very mixed feelings about online discount retailers and have no current plans of working with online vendors that practice deep discounts. Deep online discounting can potentially hurt many links in the chain, the two most dear to me being the artists involved in the project and the local hobby stores, the brick and motor places communities gather to play games.

I am not in any way discrediting any online retailer and I truly understand an individuals need to be fiscally responsible.

My vision for Kingdom Death consists of well formed relationships with the right partners as opposed to as many partners as possible.

(*edit - we'll see how what tune im singing once this is all said and done! )



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 11:22:15


Post by: RiTides


Adam- you didn't respond to my asking if making the Survivor bonus armor models "any armor" was possible or not :-/


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Although now I see 350K DID add 4 more White Lion armor models, which makes me very happy indeed

Next stretch looks like the original female survivor- nice.

Also, I'm not a huge fan of the Lioness art, but the sculpt came out much better imo- it's usually the reverse!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 12:04:48


Post by: The Fragile Breath




Thank you so much! For some reason, when I was looking at it on the kickstarter page, it was this huge thing of information that I couldn't break into pieces to understand, but now I understand it and feel much less intimidated.

The game and dragon king/flower knight expansions are a must for me. Survivor level is also tempting for all the extras, not to mention my girlfriend might like the Lioness or Phoenix dancer. I know it should go without saying, but let me say it anyways, these models look fantastic.

Also, damn, I just saw the non pinup female great game hunter on their site, I'm bummed that I missed out on that.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 12:18:42


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


no problem,

the more money you spend (waste, LOL) on KS the easier it becomes to break stuff down

As for the great game hunter (female),

there are sometimes re-releases of the models (without the numbered COA obviously) so get yourself on the KD mailing list.... (stuff often sells out in 24 hours or less)

You never know she might appear on the KS in plastic!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 12:23:25


Post by: endtransmission


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
You never know she might appear on the KS in plastic!


More likely in the second game where the heroic levels start to appear, but I'd be happy to be wrong as I would like to grab both of the hunter models.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 13:09:26


Post by: Alpharius


A pic, for those that like pics!



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 13:58:31


Post by: Breotan


I got tired of waiting for a banner to put in my sig for this project so I made my own.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 14:23:24


Post by: Lansirill


 Alpharius wrote:
A pic, for those that like pics!

Spoiler:


I'm not a huge fan of how the top pinches in the artwork. It's harder to see on the photo of the resin, but I think this may be one of the pieces I refrain from picking up. Which is good, because my wife would probably have my head if I bought everything.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 14:31:55


Post by: IdentifyZero


ADAM! You are the man.

First Kickstarter creator to give a gak and actually listen to his customers!

Not only have you given us increasingly cool stretch goals which substantially add to the value of this game..

You listened and said Hey Canadians, I know your shipping cost sucks, here, let's make it $30.

Thanks and here's to giving you my continued support man.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 14:48:44


Post by: Hulksmash


 IdentifyZero wrote:

First Kickstarter creator to give a gak and actually listen to his customers!


This is outright wrong. Mark from Dream-Forge was amazing during his kickstarter. And I felt Mike and Ali listened pretty well, though were not as open to make changes since it was CMON's kickstarter. I'm sure there were others as well.

Overall Adam's doing a great job. I'm not really into the game itself but some of the pin-ups and multi-part kits might drive me into picking this up anyway.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 14:53:24


Post by: Zweischneid


 Hulksmash wrote:

This is outright wrong. Mark from Dream-Forge was amazing during his kickstarter. And I felt Mike and Ali listened pretty well, though were not as open to make changes since it was CMON's kickstarter. I'm sure there were others as well.


Seconded. DreamForge was amazing in this regard. I am still amazed how Mark stayed sane and solvent despite giving in to each and every whim of his backers.

Not that Adam from KD isn't doing a fantastic job.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 14:55:16


Post by: Alpharius


I know that given the background of the KD world and the MONSTER box that this is unlikely, but I'd love to see a Twilight Knight in this one:



and a Great Game Hunter too!





Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 14:57:28


Post by: Cyporiean


Oh.. I like that Game Hunter, especially since she managed to get the 'Pants and Full Shirt' armor set


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 15:05:48


Post by: Alpharius


That's probably not the "Pin up" version of her though!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 15:43:53


Post by: kilcin


 Alpharius wrote:
That's probably not the "Pin up" version of her though!


You are correct, this is the pin-up version



*returns to lurking*


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 15:55:35


Post by: Alpharius


I'll take both, please!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 16:29:20


Post by: Bacms


Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 16:32:17


Post by: Zweischneid


 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?


Left-most one is the 54 mm pin-up. Middle one the "regular" KD pin-up. And a Marine



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 16:50:33


Post by: Alpharius


Aya the Survivor?



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 16:59:42


Post by: Lt. Coldfire


Wish I would have found out about this game sooner. No doubt Kickstarter is going to put me in the poor house.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:02:34


Post by: Alpharius


Sooner?

There's still 40 days left to go - plenty of time to jump on in and get yourself into trouble!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:04:23


Post by: Lt. Coldfire


Ha yeah, I meant the nice Black Friday deals. I always miss out on the early kickstarter deals . I should probably pay more attention to these things...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:14:32


Post by: RiTides


I really want the Non- pinup Twilight Knight. And Forsaker. But they're probably heroes...

And lol Cyporeian


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:18:38


Post by: Alpharius


RiTides - as predictable as the days of the week!

Hopefully he'll offer both versions up to make everyone happy...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:19:36


Post by: RiTides


Agreed Alph


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:21:42


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


I still have the resin female Game Hunter sitting in her box. I'm terrified to touch her with a paintbrush as I don't think I can do her justice.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:26:12


Post by: RiTides


Yeah, I actually had the resin Flower Knight... felt so fragile. I am really looking forward to these models in plastic! I kept the art print-out, though

And you beat my edit CC, so this is a separate post, but don't tell me this Twilight Knight isn't more awesome than the other (or do, and we'll agree to disagree!)



And I think the upcoming Aya the Survivor is actually the original female survivor (the art outline Alph posted above is the same as is posted for this mini):



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:33:37


Post by: Alpharius


I rather like this one myself:



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 18:42:08


Post by: Rolt


Hi, just up on the Kickstarter page a $400,000 stretch goal:

Looks like Adam has listened to everyone wanting the previous pin-ups in plastic, this could very well be the first of many pin-up/general re-releses, I hope your wallets are ready.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
I still have the resin female Game Hunter sitting in her box. I'm terrified to touch her with a paintbrush as I don't think I can do her justice.

Regretfully the same here, I've got both the Beyond the Wall and a Mother sitting in thier box still, the only two miniatures I've ever manage to get hold of, despite being such a large fan of thier work
ever since they first out. They are without doubt the most beautiful miniatures I own, but thier just so light and fragile feeling that I can't bring myself to even put them together, let alone paint them.

Feels like a bit of a waste really.



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 19:22:45


Post by: Zweischneid


 Rolt wrote:

Looks like Adam has listened to everyone wanting the previous pin-ups in plastic, this could very well be the first of many pin-up/general re-releses, I hope your wallets are ready.




Um. No

As mentioned a few times here on on KS, this looks like it will very likely be the "old" female survivor in plastic http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/survivor-female . At the very least, the outline is identical to the artwork of this mini. She's fairly decently dressed, and it would make sense as this is a stretch goal people get "for free" with the survivor pledge.

Pin-Ups will remain optional, I believe has been said, both because they dont have (and wont get, according to Kingdom Death) game rules and because there are people on the KS (already?) who seem a bit uncomfortable with the Pin-Ups.

Spoiler:




Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 19:36:32


Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti


Lt. Coldfire wrote:Ha yeah, I meant the nice Black Friday deals. I always miss out on the early kickstarter deals . I should probably pay more attention to these things...


I wouldn't worry dude, I picked one up yesterday, the BF Launch 3, just take 10 mins on an evening and refresh the page a few times and if something appears then go like lightning!!! Worked for me


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 19:39:42


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


I'm glad that they have an option for her without the skull hat.

I really can't wait to see how dark and creepy the lore is for everything. I hope they go nuts with the fluff.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 19:47:36


Post by: BlueDagger


This project keeps luring me. I tossed $1 to watch the updates as they come in, but the $100 + at least $50 in options I want is not doable for me atm.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 19:59:50


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


The thought of mixing and matching all the different things is scaring me.

I mean, to take the time and magnetize everything (properly), and make sure everything looks good together... and then the inevitable time comes to paint...

Maybe I should assemble one full kit of one male and one female from each armor variant and then magnetize the other sets...

Or maybe I should train and hire an army of monkeys to do it for me.

I'm debating one which would be faster.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 20:12:04


Post by: kingdomdeath


@RiTides later in the campaign I might make additional armor kit sets available as options. If someone wants to make an army of phoenix armor kits that would be pretty awesome to see! I won't be doing any of the swapping bonuses tho, because it makes everything so logistically complicated. This may change down the road, but please don't count on it! Indeed the Lioness sculpt came out amazingly well! Her artwork was my favorite until Lokman finished the Primal Huntress. She has my favorite face of all the optional pinups based on the armor kits. ( well… so far! )

@The Fragile Breath, she will be back at some point. Just focusing on the kickstarter for now!

@Breotan, do you think people would want official sig banners?

@IdentifyZero, why thank you! I am sure everyone running a kickstarter campaign cares a tremendous amount about each backer and their individual concern. I think it's just a matter of organization and staying on top of things which seems to be increasing in challenge!

@Bacms, scale is 35mm which is similar but not exactly like 28mm heroic. The models look about right as heroes in GW armies. An infantry block of them might seem like a group of giants tho!

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8161934/KDM%20Kickstarter/35mm-vs-28mm-heroic.jpg

@Chemical Cutthroat, I would suggest making survivors as you go the first time thru. Similar to Mordheim or Necromunda ( for me ) it was way more fun to just jump in then tinker with the models during the week when we didn't have any opportunities to play.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 20:20:49


Post by: Alpharius


Nice scale pic!



Very helpful to have - thanks!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 20:23:59


Post by: Bat Manuel


 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
I still have the resin female Game Hunter sitting in her box. I'm terrified to touch her with a paintbrush as I don't think I can do her justice.
You should send her to me, then I'll paint 'er up and send you back a picture


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 20:29:00


Post by: 02Laney


I'm not fussed about the pin-ups per se (will probably miss them), but I would definitely up my pledge for a Twilight Knight version. I'm also really excited about getting hold of Aya - very cool sculpt.

I'm currently waiting to see what else pops up before commiting any more hard earned cash.

Such an impressive kickstarter in general - well done to KD (keep it up!)

Laney


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 20:32:02


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Sig banners would be good especially if they incoroprated a KS link

(though I am using one of the avatars at the moment)


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 22:19:23


Post by: Rolt


 Zweischneid wrote:

Um. No

As mentioned a few times here on on KS, this looks like it will very likely be the "old" female survivor in plastic http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/survivor-female . At the very least, the outline is identical to the artwork of this mini. She's fairly decently dressed, and it would make sense as this is a stretch goal people get "for free" with the survivor pledge.

Pin-Ups will remain optional, I believe has been said, both because they dont have (and wont get, according to Kingdom Death) game rules and because there are people on the KS (already?) who seem a bit uncomfortable with the Pin-Ups.

Yeah.... I know, the surviour in the silhouette is Aya the Surviour (listed as Surviour Female on KD's shop), the pin-up version is this version here: http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/pinup-survivor.
Ironically the only pin-up I'm not a hugh fan of. It's pretty obvious that the pin-ups are only going to remain "opitional" that pretty much goes without saying to anyone whos been watching this kickstarter, admittedly I shouls have wrote that post alot clearer.

Anyway my bad, I used "pin-up" instead of "limited release" when discribing her, I keep messing up the "Phrases" KD use. Regardless it will still be intresting to see how many of the older miniatures Pin-up or otherwise that will get re-released via this kickstarter. Really glad to see Aya get the plastic treatmeant, never manage to get hold the resin version.

Sig banners would be good especially if they incoroprated a KS link
(though I am using one of the avatars at the moment)

Silly question but are custom kickstarter related sigs and banners really that important? I noticed a lot of people seem to request this sort of thing, do they really make a difference to the success of the kickstarter or peoples perception of it?





Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 22:34:22


Post by: Breotan


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Sig banners would be good especially if they incoroprated a KS link

(though I am using one of the avatars at the moment)
I thought mine did. ;P
 Rolt wrote:
Silly question but are custom kickstarter related sigs and banners really that important? I noticed a lot of people seem to request this sort of thing, do they really make a difference to the success of the kickstarter or peoples perception of it?
No, but it does help advertise that it is going on. The more forums you post on, the more advertising, the more money to the kickstarter, the more cool "free" stuff we get.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 23:02:38


Post by: -Loki-


Yeah, to get what I actually want out of this is getting too expensive to jump into the kickstarted, given that I only really want specific models to paint. I think I'll just wait for the plastics to go up on the site and cherry pick what I want (which is pretty much limited to the Beyond the Wall model, and a few of the character models).

It's nice that they scale well to Warhammer Fantasy though, if a tad tall.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 23:38:16


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Breotan wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Sig banners would be good especially if they incoroprated a KS link

(though I am using one of the avatars at the moment)
I thought mine did. ;P
 Rolt wrote:
Silly question but are custom kickstarter related sigs and banners really that important? I noticed a lot of people seem to request this sort of thing, do they really make a difference to the success of the kickstarter or peoples perception of it?
No, but it does help advertise that it is going on. The more forums you post on, the more advertising, the more money to the kickstarter, the more cool "free" stuff we get.


oops, missed that

BORROWED

thanks


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 23:43:37


Post by: Breotan


You actually need to put the following code into your profile (copy & paste) in order to have a functional link to the kickstarter:



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/28 23:49:42


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


ahh thanks

done it now


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 02:26:46


Post by: Guildsman


In for $200. Survivor package plus the two expansions. Given the absolute beauty of all of the models seen so far, that number will probably increase in the next month. I'm just thrilled to be able to get so many of the figures that I wanted at such a steal. A whole regiment of King's men for free!!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 03:12:57


Post by: RiTides


 kingdomdeath wrote:
@RiTides later in the campaign I might make additional armor kit sets available as options. If someone wants to make an army of phoenix armor kits that would be pretty awesome to see!

Thanks for the reply! I had actually been pondering this. For example, the models lend themselves to counts-as High Elves rather well.

Phoenix armor = Phoenix Guard
White Lion armor = White Lions

At least those two

However, I'll probably stick to using them for your game. Alph's size comparison photo is helpful, but I think that's a GW (high elf!) model with a very tall helmet- these models will stand well above most of their GW counterparts. Not that that's a bad thing as I like the scale for these.

I remember thinking the resin flower knight I got was Really tall, but I think it is taller than the "standard" models.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 06:08:37


Post by: Moopy


Can't wait for the new goals and a new page update. Upped my pledge.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 06:19:05


Post by: Makaleth


Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 06:26:15


Post by: hotsauceman1


So it is a board game?
Interchangable miniatures?
I may actually get into this one.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 06:31:34


Post by: Azazelx


 Zweischneid wrote:
 Hulksmash wrote:

This is outright wrong. Mark from Dream-Forge was amazing during his kickstarter. And I felt Mike and Ali listened pretty well, though were not as open to make changes since it was CMON's kickstarter. I'm sure there were others as well.


Seconded. DreamForge was amazing in this regard. I am still amazed how Mark stayed sane and solvent despite giving in to each and every whim of his backers.

Not that Adam from KD isn't doing a fantastic job.


Agreed. Mark continues to keep up pretty good communication even now. Far better than most creators, who have a habit of largely disappearing once they have your money in hand...


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 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?


They look like at least E or F-cups.




 Zweischneid wrote:
 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?

Left-most one is the 54 mm pin-up. Middle one the "regular" KD pin-up. And a Marine



Interesting. I didn't realise they were so much bigger then the industry standard figure size.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 06:42:10


Post by: Moopy


 scipio.au wrote:


 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?


They look like at least E or F-cups.


Oh man... had to exault that one. HA!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 06:52:08


Post by: Sasori


I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 07:02:01


Post by: Makaleth


 Sasori wrote:
I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.


You just pledge for survivor level ($155) and then add the cost of the expansions ($45 currently) and any postage (you're outside USA and not canada so $45). So at the moment, pledge $245 and click the survivor option (to make sure you get the freebies!)

hope that helps...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 07:25:09


Post by: Sasori


 Makaleth wrote:
 Sasori wrote:
I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.


You just pledge for survivor level ($155) and then add the cost of the expansions ($45 currently) and any postage (you're outside USA and not canada so $45). So at the moment, pledge $245 and click the survivor option (to make sure you get the freebies!)

hope that helps...


I'm in the U.S., so That would put me around 200$ right now, and that doesn't include any of the extra pin ups, like the Lioness, correct?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 07:28:25


Post by: recruittons


 Sasori wrote:
 Makaleth wrote:
 Sasori wrote:
I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.


You just pledge for survivor level ($155) and then add the cost of the expansions ($45 currently) and any postage (you're outside USA and not canada so $45). So at the moment, pledge $245 and click the survivor option (to make sure you get the freebies!)

hope that helps...


I'm in the U.S., so That would put me around 200$ right now, and that doesn't include any of the extra pin ups, like the Lioness, correct?


Correct. $200 will get you the Survivor level bonuses, the game, and both expansions.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 08:28:37


Post by: Altruizine


Couple of (potentially dumb) questions;

-- Are the Kingsmen playable pieces for the game, or just extras/plastic rereleases of previous sculpts?

-- I don't understand the armour situation at present. It seems like you only get four "base" Survivor models (with no option I can see anywhere for adding more) yet there seems to be a dozen+ sets of armour included at the most popular pledge level. The latest stretch goal says it unlocks 8 Lion armour sets... with only four base Survivors what use could anyone ever have for eight sets? What am I missing here? It's confusing the heck outta me.



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 08:33:19


Post by: Makaleth


recruittons wrote:

Correct. $200 will get you the Survivor level bonuses, the game, and both expansions.


And at the moment, that entails:

Total Model

BASE GAME
4 -4 Starting Survivors
20 -4 Armour Kits (Lion, Rawhide, Phoenix and Leather) with 2 female and male in each (16 total)
27 -7 Monsters (Lion, Phoenix, Antelope, Butcher, Kings-men, Kings Hand, Watcher)

UPGRADES TO BASE
31 -1 Unarmored Kit with 2 female and male
35 -1 Lantern Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -1 Fur Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -2 Extra weapons for the Lion Armour

UPGRADES TO SURVIVOR
43 -1 Rawhide Armour Set with 2 female and male
44 -1 Plastic Phoenix
45 -1 Plastic Watcher
49 -1 Set of Phoenix Armour with 2 female and male
54 -5 Kingsmen
55 -1 Paul the Survivor

This is pretty good so far.
And more to come!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 08:56:39


Post by: Lockark


I just threw down for the survivor and the expanstions.

Even if I hate the game, these minis are amazing and will totaly find their way into my D&D games.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 09:23:12


Post by: Herzlos


 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:
Lt. Coldfire wrote:Ha yeah, I meant the nice Black Friday deals. I always miss out on the early kickstarter deals . I should probably pay more attention to these things...


I wouldn't worry dude, I picked one up yesterday, the BF Launch 3, just take 10 mins on an evening and refresh the page a few times and if something appears then go like lightning!!! Worked for me


Yup, keep an eye out for them, because there are probably more than a few folk grabbed the BF launch deals whilst they were there, and haven't decided if they want to keep them or not. I'm one of the above; if it's looking like it'll get expensive I might drop down to the lower pledge value and spend the money on the figures


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 09:38:29


Post by: Sasori


Well, I just pledged, I'm looking forward to seeing the continued progress on this, the expansions seem pretty well done so far!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 12:40:20


Post by: gunslingerpro


Interested to see how the next few weeks on this thing work out. Maybe I'll try and paint my King's Hand while I wait....


Also, anyone notice the female survivor looks like Nel from Bleach?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 14:25:14


Post by: plastictrees


Altruizine wrote:
Couple of (potentially dumb) questions;

-- Are the Kingsmen playable pieces for the game, or just extras/plastic rereleases of previous sculpts?

-- I don't understand the armour situation at present. It seems like you only get four "base" Survivor models (with no option I can see anywhere for adding more) yet there seems to be a dozen+ sets of armour included at the most popular pledge level. The latest stretch goal says it unlocks 8 Lion armour sets... with only four base Survivors what use could anyone ever have for eight sets? What am I missing here? It's confusing the heck outta me.



One Kingsman comes with the game. I don't think there's any in-game use for multiples at this stage.

Its not clear yet if 1 player = 1 survivor. Regardless the armour sets are meant to allow you to build better representatives of your survivors as they progress through generations and development. The extra sets are just a nice bonus that gives you the opportunity to build more variety.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 14:26:32


Post by: Bacms


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?


They look like at least E or F-cups.



You sir are a legend


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 14:55:17


Post by: grefven


 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!


Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 15:06:14


Post by: Salacious Greed


 Makaleth wrote:

And at the moment, that entails:

Total Model

BASE GAME
4 -4 Starting Survivors
20 -4 Armour Kits (Lion, Rawhide, Phoenix and Leather) with 2 female and male in each (16 total)
27 -7 Monsters (Lion, Phoenix, Antelope, Butcher, Kings-men, Kings Hand, Watcher)

UPGRADES TO BASE
31 -1 Unarmored Kit with 2 female and male
35 -1 Lantern Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -1 Fur Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -2 Extra weapons for the Lion Armour

UPGRADES TO SURVIVOR
43 -1 Rawhide Armour Set with 2 female and male
44 -1 Plastic Phoenix
45 -1 Plastic Watcher
49 -1 Set of Phoenix Armour with 2 female and male
54 -5 Kingsmen
55 -1 Paul the Survivor

This is pretty good so far.
And more to come!


I think you're missing the second set of lion armor, as he said we'd get 8 figures in lion armor. Unless something changed.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 15:13:35


Post by: Alpharius


grefven wrote:
 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!


Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.


Interestingly enough, Adam himself doesn't agree with you!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 16:03:25


Post by: scarletsquig


Wow, this is going really well so far.

If any Kickstarter stands a chance of beating Reaper, this is the one to do it.

And yeah, I've always seen resin as the painter's choice and plastic as the gamer's choice. Hardcore fans get one of each. I have a bunch of limited resins from various companies and there's no way they're going on the gaming table.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 16:09:26


Post by: grefven


 Alpharius wrote:
grefven wrote:
 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!


Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.


Interestingly enough, Adam himself doesn't agree with you!


Ye, don't get me wrong. The plastics is decent enough for gaming purposes, but in my opionion it cant be compared to the resin. The plastic vs resin is obviously a business decision. What will bring the most supporters aboard? The high end collectors (like myself) who would pay a little extra for the overall package or the gamers and non-collectors that feel that plastic is "good enough". Obviously, seeing how this project will reach a very high result Adam Poots has made the right decision for his business.

But... comparing the plastics to resin from a collectors and painters point of view, there IS a big difference in my opinion, and I am certain that Adam Poots will agree with me on this. I, personally, would go as far to say that the plastic version is inferior in every way to the resin one. There is also a reason to why Adam Poots has stated in this KS that he urges gamer to pick the plastic version, and I believe that he only releases resin version to please the fan-base he has created from his high-quality, beautiful art and thoughtfully packaging. I don't think that it would be needed, and that this KS would be just as successful if he ran an only plastic version.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 16:14:53


Post by: Zweischneid


grefven wrote:
There is also a reason to why Adam Poots has stated in this KS that he urges gamer to pick the plastic version, and I believe that he only releases resin version to please the fan-base he has created from his high-quality, beautiful art and thoughtfully packaging. I don't think that it would be needed, and that this KS would be just as successful if he ran an only plastic version.


Perhaps.

But interestingly enough, the KD Kickstarter seems to actually be winning over many people to the concept of "hand-cast resin" as the superior product, Some like Imbrian Arts are doing just that in the KD slipstream, going strong with limited release, hand-cast resin as the "premium-pledges" to go with the "core product".

And it matches the basic logic of Kickstarter quite well, which itself rides on the idea of being "in" on exclusive/limited/special stuff that "normal" customers won't get as easily. I'd recon we will see a lot more "premium resin" in future Kickstarters, not less.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 16:18:20


Post by: Buzzsaw


 scarletsquig wrote:
Wow, this is going really well so far.

If any Kickstarter stands a chance of beating Reaper, this is the one to do it.

And yeah, I've always seen resin as the painter's choice and plastic as the gamer's choice. Hardcore fans get one of each. I have a bunch of limited resins from various companies and there's no way they're going on the gaming table.


Just out of curiosity, what makes "resin as the painter's choice and plastic as the gamer's choice"? I have several KD resin minis, but I haven't had the bravery to paint them yet, does resin take paint much better then plastic, or is this a comment on the details? I've honestly never painted a resin mini, so quite curious.

You still need to wash and prime them, I presume?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 16:24:16


Post by: grefven


In general, resin holds detail better than plastic, which is important from a painters point of view, while plastic shrinks (very slightly) when being cast and thus can details be lost.

Plastic makes gamer's choice as resin is usually very brittle and breaks easily. Kingdom Death, in particular, have several miniatures with very slim and thin limbs that snap easily if you aren't careful, where plastic can take a more "rough" treatment without breaking.

You still need to clean and prime resin just as any other material.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 16:27:18


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


If there's proof that an amazing paintjob can make a subpar model look amazing, it's Rackham.

I tihnk the injected plasics look pretty good. I do see the difference in quality when put next to the resins.

I think the difference for me is, when you get so tiny, does that matter? Or can a skilled brush make up for it.

I think it's all pretty damn awesome really.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 17:22:53


Post by: Buzzsaw


grefven wrote:
In general, resin holds detail better than plastic, which is important from a painters point of view, while plastic shrinks (very slightly) when being cast and thus can details be lost.

Plastic makes gamer's choice as resin is usually very brittle and breaks easily. Kingdom Death, in particular, have several miniatures with very slim and thin limbs that snap easily if you aren't careful, where plastic can take a more "rough" treatment without breaking.

You still need to clean and prime resin just as any other material.


Ahh, so it's an issue of the details really.

Hmm, looking at the pictures of the plastics so far, like this kitbash fellow;



I could have sworn there was a comparison shot of the twilight knight pin-up in resin and plastic, but looking through the updates I can't see it... anyone know where that is?

Honestly, I really don't think my painting skills are sufficiently advanced to justify the cost of resin... and my poor nerves might not be able to take the strain in any case!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 17:40:25


Post by: Starweaver


 Buzzsaw wrote:

I could have sworn there was a comparison shot of the twilight knight pin-up in resin and plastic, but looking through the updates I can't see it... anyone know where that is?

Honestly, I really don't think my painting skills are sufficiently advanced to justify the cost of resin... and my poor nerves might not be able to take the strain in any case!


Right here:



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 17:56:20


Post by: RiTides


Grefven, I am sure you're right- plastics for gamers, resin for showcase painted pieces. Everybody wins


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 17:59:57


Post by: Lansirill


Zweischneid wrote:
grefven wrote:
There is also a reason to why Adam Poots has stated in this KS that he urges gamer to pick the plastic version, and I believe that he only releases resin version to please the fan-base he has created from his high-quality, beautiful art and thoughtfully packaging. I don't think that it would be needed, and that this KS would be just as successful if he ran an only plastic version.


Perhaps.

But interestingly enough, the KD Kickstarter seems to actually be winning over many people to the concept of "hand-cast resin" as the superior product, Some like Imbrian Arts are doing just that in the KD slipstream, going strong with limited release, hand-cast resin as the "premium-pledges" to go with the "core product".

And it matches the basic logic of Kickstarter quite well, which itself rides on the idea of being "in" on exclusive/limited/special stuff that "normal" customers won't get as easily. I'd recon we will see a lot more "premium resin" in future Kickstarters, not less.


I think it's interesting you pulled the IA example, because in one of his posts Jody Siegel said that the plastics he's creating are just as good as the resin. I believe IA is going with Trollcast, which sounds like it's putting out a very high quality plastic though.

Chemical Cutthroat wrote:If there's proof that an amazing paintjob can make a subpar model look amazing, it's Rackham.

I tihnk the injected plasics look pretty good. I do see the difference in quality when put next to the resins.

I think the difference for me is, when you get so tiny, does that matter? Or can a skilled brush make up for it.

I think it's all pretty damn awesome really.


The feel I got from one of Adam Poots' posts was that it's pretty much a skilled brush type of thing, or just really appreciating very fine craftsmanship. It's not that the plastics are bad, I imagine they're going to be great. It's just that they're being compared against the amazing resin models.



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 18:20:42


Post by: Zweischneid


 Lansirill wrote:


I think it's interesting you pulled the IA example, because in one of his posts Jody Siegel said that the plastics he's creating are just as good as the resin. I believe IA is going with Trollcast, which sounds like it's putting out a very high quality plastic though.



That well might be, both for IA and KD.

I am not even arguing over the quality differences. I am an atrocious painter and not one that could adequately judge that.

All I am saying is that the whole spiel of "limited, hand-cast, special resin-version" of the "mundane" plastic miniature for industrial production hits all the right strings for the majority of people digging into Kickstarter for the exact reasons many of them are on Kickstarter. It's that feeling of getting the special treatment, of being "one of the few" how has the special deal and not "one of them" who buys the product off the shelf.

So anyone planning on doing Kickstarters in the near future will hardly be oblivious to Kingdom Death's runaway success. Wrath of Kings in February? Mantic's Warpath sometime after that? I am sure they are considering it right now.



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 18:55:39


Post by: Buzzsaw


Starweaver wrote:
 Buzzsaw wrote:

I could have sworn there was a comparison shot of the twilight knight pin-up in resin and plastic, but looking through the updates I can't see it... anyone know where that is?

Honestly, I really don't think my painting skills are sufficiently advanced to justify the cost of resin... and my poor nerves might not be able to take the strain in any case!


Right here:



Many thanks!

Yeah... I'm rather red-faced to admit it, but with my eyes I can't tell the difference between those two in terms of detail. Reassuring to see that both options will be stellar!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 18:59:38


Post by: RiTides


This is a non-issue. Just look at the pics. I believe trollcast plastic is nearly the same as resin. Kingdom death's is not. Neither is Privateer Press'.

GW type plastic may well equal resin. Trollcast may. But KD's and PP's don't, from what I've seen in-person (PP) and in pics (KD).

It is close, and more than good enough for me.

I would be curious how it compares to Zombiecide plastic, and soon Sedition Wars. From what I have seen in-person, Zombiecide's plastic level of detail crispness is lower than PP's.

If KD can get PP level detail, I'll be happy. But clearly resin is better than these materials, that (as I said) is a non-issue... the only issue is where on the quality gradient the plastic is, with GW/Dreamforge being on the high end, and Zombiecide being (imo) on the low end, with PP in the middle.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:00:00


Post by: Alpharius


The resin details are a bit sharper.

Look at the belt studs, the armor edges and the sword.

Overall, not a big difference, and I'll take the reduced cost and the increased durability any day!

Especially as I want a second Flower Knight for a Counts As Daemon Prince...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:03:02


Post by: RiTides


Alph- exactly. As long as it is near PP's plastic in detail quality, I'll be happy.

Zombiecide, on the other hand, has too soft of detail in their plastic for my taste (and for the cost that KD is charging).


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:07:23


Post by: Alpharius


 RiTides wrote:
Alph- exactly. As long as it is near PP's plastic in detail quality, I'll be happy.

Zombiecide, on the other hand, has too soft of detail in their plastic for my taste (and for the cost that KD is charging).


Agreed on that count - but I see Zombicide as a Beer and Pretzels type of board game and KD as a more 'upscale' one with way more modeling and painting opportunities, as well as more opportunities to use the miniatures in other gamest too.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:08:26


Post by: RiTides


Also I bought the resin flower knight- and the resin is too fragile for most gaming use with the fine features he has. Hence, the need for a compromise with a decent plastic, for cost and durability, but still retaining good detail levels.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Agreed Alph- which is why this Should have better plastic than Zombiecide, and I hope does.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:15:21


Post by: Lt. Coldfire


Backed this beast along with the expansions. This is going to be a long year of waiting...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:25:20


Post by: Breotan


I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:27:46


Post by: grefven


Unfortunately, Ed is completely swamped with RBGs KS, his own KS and now IAs KS to manage to fit KDs in for a trollcast material. It's a great shame, as I've only heard excellent things about trollcast, and seeing how Adam Poots and KD is quality first, it would have been so much more appropriate.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:30:19


Post by: Buzzsaw


 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.


Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:40:28


Post by: Alpharius


 Buzzsaw wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.


Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)


Good point - and hopefully someone can comment on it!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:41:43


Post by: grefven


 Alpharius wrote:
 Buzzsaw wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.


Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)


Good point - and hopefully someone can comment on it!


I just did a couple of posts above.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:43:22


Post by: Lockark


Seeing the plastics did make me upgrade my phenox dancer from plastic to resin, but made me confident in the quality of the plastics in the box set.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:50:46


Post by: RiTides


Yeah, bendiness / lack of detail is a concern- I'd like more comparison pics from KD. At $15 for single figure add-ons, polystyrene ( a la GW, Dreamforge ) would've been preferable.

It's the only thing I'm worried about here. I don't have a use for low quality figs... but I think the quality will be good enough.

What does Privateer Press use?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:50:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


During Sedition Wars Mike McVey said that from a painters point of view he'd choose resin over plastic over metal,

with there being very little difference between the resin & 'plastic' he's using for his Sedition wars box,

Ali 'threw' some paint on this plastic



and is keen to do a side by side between the resin and plastic painted to her exacting professional standard so we can see if there is any difference in the end


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:51:27


Post by: Buzzsaw


grefven wrote:
 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!


Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.


I don't imagine you might have any pictures? The comparison shown earlier makes it look like they are scarcely different, very curious to see what constitutes a "big difference". Although in fairness, if even you are saying "that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must" I think I'll stick with that, I'm simply not gentlemen enough with my poor minis...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:54:02


Post by: RiTides


I'm more interested in lightly primed (to remove contrast differences) than fully painted.

Even though they're both through CMON, is Sedition Wars plastic different/better than Zombiecide? (which as I said, I've seen in-person and consider it the low end- more "game pieces" than models).


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:54:53


Post by: grefven


Adam Poots should, I think, make a speed commission of a high level painter to paint up both the resin and plastic twilight pin-up for people to get a better opinion about the materials.

I've stated it before. The plastic (from the Experiment of Death) is alright. It will be excellent, no doubt, for gaming. My personal opinion, though, is that the plastic twilight pin-up is far inferior ro the resin version. However, the plastic Wet Nurse is actually better than the smaller miniature counterpart. So I guess that the plastic might work a lot better for bigger pieces.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:55:46


Post by: RiTides


Grefven, pics would be great, especially if you have primed both! Or can zoom in on areas that show the limitations of the plastic / differences between the two.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:56:11


Post by: Catyrpelius


 RiTides wrote:
I'm more interested in lightly primed (to remove contrast differences) than fully painted.

Even though they're both through CMON, is Sedition Wars plastic different/better than Zombiecide? (which as I said, I've seen in-person and consider it the low end- more "game pieces" than models).


I have the resin models for whatever the other faction in Sedition Wars is called, they are very very nice, I could take some pictures of them later today if you'd like.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:56:53


Post by: grefven


 Buzzsaw wrote:
grefven wrote:
 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!


Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.


I don't imagine you might have any pictures? The comparison shown earlier makes it look like they are scarcely different, very curious to see what constitutes a "big difference". Although in fairness, if even you are saying "that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must" I think I'll stick with that, I'm simply not gentlemen enough with my poor minis...


I don't have any of them painted or primed, unfortunately. And I most likely never will. I am into KD for the collecting bits, which might explain why I see such a big difference between the resin and plastic.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 19:59:34


Post by: RiTides


Pics of the bits would be great, though!

Catyr- I mean Sedition Wars plastic, not their resin (although when both are out a comparison would be great).


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:03:46


Post by: Catyrpelius


 RiTides wrote:
Pics of the bits would be great, though!

Catyr- I mean Sedition Wars plastic, not their resin (although when both are out a comparison would be great).


Gotcha, I will say this though. If the Sedition Wars plastics are as nice as the Sedition Wars resin's I have, then anyone that buys the game is getting one of the best deals on models of all time. The resin's are some of the best models I've seen detail wise beating alot of the stuff that Forge World puts out.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:03:53


Post by: grefven


I'll see what I can do tomorrow, don't expect any high quality shots, though as I don't got any phototent or any good camera.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:11:51


Post by: Guildsman


I have to say, I can't see much of any difference between the plastic and resin figures, aside from a few minor mold lines. If the rest of the figures are as good as that one, I will definitely be a happy camper.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:18:42


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


**** it. I'm going to assemble and paint my Hunter this weekend.

We'll see what happens.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:24:30


Post by: RiTides


grefven wrote:
I'll see what I can do tomorrow, don't expect any high quality shots, though as I don't got any phototent or any good camera.

Fantastic, thanks!!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:44:57


Post by: Alpharius


grefven wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Buzzsaw wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
I see they're going with PVC. Too bad. Wyrd (Malifaux) looked at PVC plastic and decided to go a different way.


Wasn't the "Experiment of Death" the first run in PVC plastic, a sort-of dry run for this game? Does anyone who has that have any experiences they would care to share? (I think I saw someone earlier say it was good, but getting a little punchy.)


Good point - and hopefully someone can comment on it!


I just did a couple of posts above.


Ironically, your comments seem to lack the detail we're after!

Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:52:38


Post by: Rolt


Thanks for the Twlight Knight comparasion pic, while there are some differences between the two such as the resin version having cleaner lines, slightly bigger, the plastic version is still very high quality as a gaminig miniature goes. The resin is version is great for the collector and pro-painter alike but I would'nt say anything is "lost" on the plastic, very happy about that.

Either way, resin or plastic your getting a great deal. BTW only 8k left to go.



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 20:54:36


Post by: Alpharius


I know!

I'm looking forward to waking up tomorrow and seeing what the next stretch goal will be!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 21:04:18


Post by: grefven


 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?


The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 21:08:50


Post by: plastictrees


grefven wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?


The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.


Can you throw your entire Experiment of Death set out the window and see how badly it gets damaged? This is the sort of valuable information we need...

Adam mentioned via PM that he has considered having weapons cast in a different material along with the plastic minis as that seems to be their biggest failing; long straight, crisp edges, like blades.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 21:11:20


Post by: Alpharius


grefven wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?


The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.


That is excellent news - thank you!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 21:14:34


Post by: grefven


 plastictrees wrote:
grefven wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?


The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.


Can you throw your entire Experiment of Death set out the window and see how badly it gets damaged? This is the sort of valuable information we need...

Adam mentioned via PM that he has considered having weapons cast in a different material along with the plastic minis as that seems to be their biggest failing; long straight, crisp edges, like blades.


The weapons are *terrible*, really bad! They are, unlike the main piece (body) very bendy. I don't dare to bend it too much, though, as I think these slender pieces will break when bent too far.

I will not throw my belowed KD property out of the window. :p Even if I consider the plastics to be inferior they are still dear to me.

Edit: I'll try to get some decent pics of all the different pieces, both plastics and resin to compare.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 21:36:14


Post by: RiTides


Yeah, the sword is all wobbly in the Twilight Knight comparison pic :/ so I guess that wasn't my imagination after all...


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 23:03:22


Post by: Makaleth


 Alpharius wrote:
grefven wrote:
 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!


Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.


Interestingly enough, Adam himself doesn't agree with you!


Thanks for the pick up, choices!!
I shouldn't just buy one of each ;-)


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Hmm... might be resin (as I honestly cannot see me using these in game... these are mainly because they are so pretty!)


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 23:32:56


Post by: IdentifyZero


 Catyrpelius wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Pics of the bits would be great, though!

Catyr- I mean Sedition Wars plastic, not their resin (although when both are out a comparison would be great).


Gotcha, I will say this though. If the Sedition Wars plastics are as nice as the Sedition Wars resin's I have, then anyone that buys the game is getting one of the best deals on models of all time. The resin's are some of the best models I've seen detail wise beating alot of the stuff that Forge World puts out.


Forge World is beat detail wise by many companies, including Studio McVey, Kingdom Death etc..


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/29 23:33:45


Post by: Chemical Cutthroat


*goes to get out Big Game Hunter... stares at display case... proxies some metal model instead*


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On a random note, has anyone figured out what the thing is at the end of the Kickstarter Video?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 00:29:04


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


My guess is 'The King' the entity that seems to run/dominate the part of the world the game is set in

but I could eaily be wrong or mis-remembering stuff


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 00:53:02


Post by: redstripe


I'm interested in contributing to this Kickstarter because the models are so gorgeous and I'm really digging the 'lantern' theme.

However, I'm hesitant because of the previous gross-out type models Kingdom Death has made, like the Boob Golem. Wasn't there a model that ate penises, too?

Anyhow, is that sort of aesthetic going to feature in this game?

(I apologize if this has been asked earlier in the thread.)


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 01:15:56


Post by: plastictrees


 redstripe wrote:
I'm interested in contributing to this Kickstarter because the models are so gorgeous and I'm really digging the 'lantern' theme.

However, I'm hesitant because of the previous gross-out type models Kingdom Death has made, like the Boob Golem. Wasn't there a model that ate penises, too?

Anyhow, is that sort of aesthetic going to feature in this game?

(I apologize if this has been asked earlier in the thread.)


Adam has stated that the Wet Nurse will not feature in this game. I assume that minis like the Grandmother will not be making an appearance either.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 02:04:32


Post by: RiTides


Yeah, he's taking a more conservative approach with the actual boxed game. Those models are still available direct, which imo is a great compromise- but more importantly a smart business decision on his part, by going with the models that have the broadest appeal.

The exception to this is the scantily clad models that are optional purchases- but that also is a fine compromise, imo, as they're optional and so folks that aren't interested just won't pick them up, and they won't be part of the boxed game.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 06:32:29


Post by: kenshin620


 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, he's taking a more conservative approach with the actual boxed game. Those models are still available direct, which imo is a great compromise- but more importantly a smart business decision on his part, by going with the models that have the broadest appeal.


Yup, last thing we would want is another tentacle bento...

Anyways on the fence about this. Maybe I'll wait to see the actual gameplay/more stretches for Civilization Monster Hunter Dark Souls: The possibly erp Boardgame


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 09:02:21


Post by: DaveC


$400k is done and Aya is in.

There will be another large monster expansion at $500k Adam has said he has 3 to 5 more large monsters designed/planned. It remains to be seen what comes in between awaiting update.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 09:35:01


Post by: grefven


Alright, I've snapped a few photos. Unfortunately, they aren't the best because of me lacking skills to actually take good photos. Anyway, I think that they can be enhanced slightly by someone who knows a little about photoshop, so I was thinking if I can mail the pictures to someone that can touch up my mistakes and then upload them here?

Do I got any volunteers?


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 09:57:12


Post by: Fafnir


Depends on what you mean by "touch up."


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 10:08:01


Post by: grefven


Dunno, but supposedly there are tricks to use to make photos "better". I'm just an amateur snapping a few in quite poor light, etc. Dunno if it possible to zoom in in an image editor to get better views and so forth.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 10:13:02


Post by: Zweischneid


 kenshin620 wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, he's taking a more conservative approach with the actual boxed game. Those models are still available direct, which imo is a great compromise- but more importantly a smart business decision on his part, by going with the models that have the broadest appeal.


Yup, last thing we would want is another tentacle bento...


I don't think there is a danger of that. Kingdom Death neither places the player into the "role" of a creepy sexual predator, nor does it's style of cheesecake evoke the "under-18" feel that give Soda Pop Products their (alleged) pedophile appeal.

It wasn't boobs that got Tentacle Bento into trouble.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 10:13:04


Post by: Fafnir


I've sent you a PM, I'll see what I can do. I can't guarantee a miracle, but hopefully I can make them come out better.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 10:26:55


Post by: endtransmission


Nice. The next stretch goal (425,000) adds stone face base inserts to the core box. It's nice to see we also get armour kit compatible versions of Aya's equipment, including the cards to use them in game.



Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 10:45:50


Post by: kingdomdeath


@RiTides, There are many options ahead of me and a few ways the box and its contents can be produced. I don't feel it should be made "secret". Right now, it is most likely that I will work with the same folks who do PP's PVC and Super Dungeon Explore. I have been having a lot of Chat's with Ed Forte of Troll Forged and we are hoping we can figure something out together. Even if its not the entire boxed set, we might work on the optional figures in plastic. I can't comment any further then that, I can say I like Ed a lot!


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 10:52:44


Post by: DaveC


Excellent the base inserts are being added thanks for listening to our requests Adam.

I think that sounds like a good compromise to do the optional figures in Trollcast and the box set in PVC there's just no way Ed can take on all that extra work now but if he only had to do 10 to 15 miniatures for you that might work and the quality would be higher.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 11:02:51


Post by: grefven


Alright, gonna try this. Dont hang me if it doesn't work.

Sorry, I couldn't get the images to work directly here in the forum, so I have to link them to a free imagehosting server.

These are a few comparison shots between plastic and resin. I apology for the poor images, but I've done my best.

I'll try to break the biggest difference down in word, too, to illuminate the differences even further.

Plastic left, resin right. The biggest difference is the sharpness of the details. None of the details have been lost in the plastics, but they aren't as sharp or clear. The studs on the belt, the snirkly thingies on the breasts are very soft, as are the very edges of the armours, in particular the boots.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ovha3

Plastic left, resin right. Same thing as with the picture above. The studs on the belt and the sharpness of the armour being the main differences.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/lduwm

Resin left, plastic right. This is the picture where the differences really come out. The resin (this time on the left for some reason) has really crisp and clear details on the face. You can see how sharp the eyes, nose, mouth, etc. are on the resin, while on the plastic it is very soft and unclear. On the resin (not visable on the photo, though) you can see the eyes on both sides of the nose, while on the plastics, the eye concealed beneath the hood is very bad. Another big difference is the hair, where the resin show clear "brads" and "cuts" (whatever it's called in English) over the entire hair, while on the plastics they aren't visible at all.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/z7a1k

Plastic left, resin right. Here you can see the problems with the extremely thin parts. The plastic sword is messy, round edges and have warped in all directions (up, down, right, left) while the resin is in better shape with a lot better details. You can also see it on the hands, where the resin clearly show the different fingers while the plastic doesn't. Same thing with the hilt.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/pykhy

All in all, obviously the plastic is good enough for gaming. The plastic is quite stiff (apart from the thinest of the sword which is extremely bendy and easy to snap) and can take a drop without breaking, where as the resin too is stiff, but it breaks much easier than the plastics, and shouldn't be used for gaming at all.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 11:04:50


Post by: Fafnir


You want to use [.img] [./img] tags (remove the period, of course).


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 11:12:40


Post by: grefven


That didn't work, it just showed a wierd broken image instead.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 11:14:11


Post by: kingdomdeath


@Buzzsaw, thats a photo of resin parts.
@Lanslrlll, you know now that I think about it. Resins are not for painters, or for gamers. They are for people that appreciate miniature sculptures as an art form. I don't paint my resins, think they are just GORGEOUS naked. Naked Resin, yes please!
@Zweischneld, oh gawd… do you think that by trying to support my boutique resin fans and actually make the plastic box game I've… opened a new "premium" door on kickstarter! Not the intention!
@Alpharius, omg please can I see a Flower Knight demon prince when your all done with him? That would be just so damn awesome! Also zombicide was WAY more fun then I expected it. I backed it cuz I'm cool with dave ( cool with cool mini hehe ) and well, it's solid.
@Breotan, Wyrd is using some form of ABS I think. I tried to reach out to them about it but for one reason or another we never connected. My favorite model of theirs is SnowStorm! But he is a strange resin.
@Grefven, we are in communication! I have a fantasy about slapping a big ole MADE IN THE USA sticker on the box, how badass would that be? PVC is much better for organic shapes. ABS needs to be super flat, all on one plane. It also does not hold detail well on the sides of a part. GW really push the limits on their ABS plastic, its amazing how technical they get with the figures. Space Hulk and their new Dark Veng box has some really amazing pieces. Sadly, that is not something I as a singular entity can hope to break into! ABS is the most expensive of the plastics in terms of building tools and I would need a super badass to master all the molds. Don't forget this is currently a one man operation.

The Twilight Knight Sword is ultra slim. Like 0.4mm thick where a normal mini sword is closer to 1mm or even 1.5 in the center. I didn't alter it because I wanted to see how it would turn out so I could adjust future designs for the material.

That being said, If I can manage it, I'd like to have all the weapons made in a harder plastic. Maybe ABS, while the organic body parts would be PVC.




Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 11:31:16


Post by: Zweischneid


 kingdomdeath wrote:

@Zweischneld, oh gawd… do you think that by trying to support my boutique resin fans and actually make the plastic box game I've… opened a new "premium" door on kickstarter! Not the intention!



Only time will tell.

Doing "Kickstarter-exclusives" obviously has a long tradition already. I don't think that shift is all that large. Maybe I am overestimating things because I only became aware of the "market" for boutique resin miniatures for dedicated painters and collectors through your Kickstarter. But I think there might be people who'd take your boutique line as inspiration.

Not all miniature makers/companies will want to do it, setting people aside to do a boutique line like that, etc.. . But I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few more fundraisers with limited pledges for "collectors resins" or something of that sort, even if it's on a smaller scale than your line. It's an hypothesis. It might well be wrong.


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 11:33:48


Post by: endtransmission


Thanks for the information, it's interesting to hear the thought process that goes into something like this


Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread @ 2012/11/30 13:24:36


Post by: RiTides


 kingdomdeath wrote:
@RiTides, There are many options ahead of me and a few ways the box and its contents can be produced. I don't feel it should be made "secret". Right now, it is most likely that I will work with the same folks who do PP's PVC and Super Dungeon Explore. I have been having a lot of Chat's with Ed Forte of Troll Forged and we are hoping we can figure something out together. Even if its not the entire boxed set, we might work on the optional figures in plastic. I can't comment any further then that, I can say I like Ed a lot!

The Twilight Knight Sword is ultra slim. Like 0.4mm thick where a normal mini sword is closer to 1mm or even 1.5 in the center. I didn't alter it because I wanted to see how it would turn out so I could adjust future designs for the material.

That being said, If I can manage it, I'd like to have all the weapons made in a harder plastic. Maybe ABS, while the organic body parts would be PVC.

Adam / Kingdom Death- Thank you VERY MUCH for the replies! I try to be as objective as possible and give constructive criticism, but you have put my mind at ease!

I have many of the PP plastics and am happy with them, as well as having seen Super Dungeon Explore in-person. If you are using the same source for the PVC parts then that definitely eases my concern.

Additionally, it is fantastic to hear that you are well aware / have already thought through the issues with the very thin parts in this material, and are thinking of possible alternative solutions to create the best possible product. Trollcast may indeed be an option for weapon bits, especially since your timeline is after his own KS.

The base inserts are also exactly what I'd been hoping for... Wow . You must have already had that planned, but it was something many of us were asking for, so you either read our minds ahead of time, or you reacted really fast!