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What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:23:05


Post by: Totalwar1402


It seems to be a trend for each codex to have fliers and one impressive large scale kit. Even fantasy is doing this with the big kits. So if they redid Sisters of Battle what do you think they would give them? I suppose they could upscale the penitent engine or have a different larger class of engine. Although I am a bit uncertain because I feel they're a bit too different from the battle sisters. I suppose a lore change could emphasise that they put sisters in battle onto or inside these machines; but still.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:23:59


Post by: Kain


Mecha mothra. Why?

Why not?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:25:15


Post by: DeffDred


Pentient Titan. Maybe one of them huge tanks/transports.

More than likely if anything they'll get some kinda plane like the DA with a whole bunch of fleur de lis' all over the place.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:31:49


Post by: Totalwar1402


I don't really think a tank is in the same vein as the more recent big plastic kits.

The fliers have been hit and miss so far. The dragon, dark angels and eldar fliers were awesome but a lot of the others were kinda meh.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:40:30


Post by: Troike


I kinda like the idea of a giant pentient. It could have several failed priests/SoBs strapped to it.

But something involving fire would also be nice. Maybe a giant immolator?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:47:40


Post by: JWhex


I seriously doubt they would get a large scale kit. They dont sell well enough for that kind of investment by GW.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:48:38


Post by: Totalwar1402


Lots of penitents attached to one machine sounds suitably macarb. Although the engine is slightly odd because the pilots are on the outside. I suppose they could change that fluff wise as well so that it makes sense. No reason they can't be locked inside in total agony.


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JWhex wrote:
I seriously doubt they would get a large scale kit. They dont sell well enough for that kind of investment by GW.


People said that about Dark Eldar and they did put them in as a full army in the core rulebook. Besides they would have to redo essentially the whole army aside from Immolators and rhinos. A large kit is still just one kit.

Also this isn't a discussion about if or should Sisters get a codex, but a what if they did and got a large kit what it would be.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 22:58:06


Post by: Troike


JWhex wrote:
I seriously doubt they would get a large scale kit. They dont sell well enough for that kind of investment by GW.

On the contrary, I think when they get they get their update and if this trend is still going, it's quite feasible. What better than an huge, expensive centrepiece model to be leading the charge when you remake an army?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:14:06


Post by: Fezman


A giant statue of the Emprah, sitting on the Golden Throne, mounted on tank treads, with twin-linked multimeltas for eyes and a heavy flamer in the mouth. DCCWs for hands.

...

You know it makes sense.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:14:39


Post by: DeffDred


JWhex wrote:
I seriously doubt they would get a large scale kit. They dont sell well enough for that kind of investment by GW.


Sister may not sell well but big stupid models do.

If the Eldar got a new big kit and no new troops (barring Wraithguard), the there's nothing to say they wont make a big thing for sisters and change nothing else.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:15:53


Post by: asimo77


A moving, weaponized Cathedral more or less. Like the things on top of Imperator Titans but smaller.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:21:35


Post by: Totalwar1402


 Fezman wrote:
A giant statue of the Emprah, sitting on the Golden Throne, mounted on tank treads, with twin-linked multimeltas for eyes and a heavy flamer in the mouth. DCCWs for hands.

...

You know it makes sense.


TBH I actually thought about if they had a sort of living statue of a saint made from bronze or stone. Sort of clockwork steampunk thing. Although I don't think quite every codex can have a giant walker called "somethingknight".


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:27:49


Post by: DeffDred


 Totalwar1402 wrote:
 Fezman wrote:
A giant statue of the Emprah, sitting on the Golden Throne, mounted on tank treads, with twin-linked multimeltas for eyes and a heavy flamer in the mouth. DCCWs for hands.

...

You know it makes sense.


TBH I actually thought about if they had a sort of living statue of a saint made from bronze or stone. Sort of clockwork steampunk thing. Although I don't think quite every codex can have a giant walker called "somethingknight".


Oh they most certainly can. And GW will see to that.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:34:50


Post by: JWhex


When the sisters are redone I expect that they will have access to whatever big kit is made available to the Imperial Guard, if the guard get some kind of imperial knight class walker.

Only 2 of the 5 6th edition codexes have received a big kit, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines and Demons did not receive a "big" kit on the scale of the Riptide and Wraith Knight, so I am not convinced every codex is destined to get one.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:35:03


Post by: Totalwar1402




re re?


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JWhex wrote:
When the sisters are redone I expect that they will have access to whatever big kit is made available to the Imperial Guard, if the guard get some kind of imperial knight class walker.

Only 2 of the 5 6th edition codexes have received a big kit, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines and Demons did not receive a "big" kit on the scale of the Riptide and Wraith Knight, so I am not convinced every codex is destined to get one.


Well chaos marines got the dragon. That was their big kit.

Daemons will probs get rethingied greater daemons eventually.

Plus I would extend this further back to Grey Knights with the Dreadknight and the big fliers the Imperial guard and blood angels got. Really big impressive kits. As well as the Tyranids getting the massive tyrannofex and trygon.

Also, I would say that angels and especially daemons were very smallscale releases. Eldar and tau seem much more typical of an average release.

However, with Dark Eldar, where they also had to reknew the whole army; there wasn't a big kit at all. So its not impossible they might not since its basically a new army.

But anyway I'd say there is a definite trend there.


It also wouldn't make sense for them to share a walker with the Imperial guard due to the allies system already in place.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:47:41


Post by: Ozomoto


 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I don't really think a tank is in the same vein as the more recent big plastic kits.

The fliers have been hit and miss so far. The dragon, dark angels and eldar fliers were awesome but a lot of the others were kinda meh.



Sorry, but did you call the dark angels fliers awseome?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:49:01


Post by: Totalwar1402


 Ozomoto wrote:
 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I don't really think a tank is in the same vein as the more recent big plastic kits.

The fliers have been hit and miss so far. The dragon, dark angels and eldar fliers were awesome but a lot of the others were kinda meh.



Sorry, but did you call the dark angels fliers awseome?


Yeah I like the whole slim batwing look it has. It actually looks like a stealth fighter.


But for large kits for each army, as it stands,

Imperial guard-Valkyrie
Blood Angels-Stormraven
Tyranids-Trygon and Tyrannofex
Eldar-Wraithknight
Chaos marines- The dragon
Tau-Riptide
Grey Knights-Dreadknight

Thats quite a big block of the recent codexes. Only Necrons, Dark Eldar and Dark Angels haven't had an obviously big new kit.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/26 23:57:02


Post by: JWhex


The demons did not need much because their model range has received many updates compared to the Eldar. In fact compared to the Eldar the demon range is practically brand new in its entirety. I dont really consider the heldrake to be a "big" epic kit on the scale of the wraithknight and riptide, its a flyer and flyers are expected for each army. Are you going to argue that the Eldar received two big kits because they received a flyer and the wraith knight?

It makes perfect sense from a sales perspective for the IG and sisters to share a big kit. Less cost to develop and more sales equals more profit. That is the only thing GW cares about.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 00:02:31


Post by: Totalwar1402


JWhex wrote:
The demons did not need much because their model range has received many updates compared to the Eldar. In fact compared to the Eldar the demon range is practically brand new in its entirety. I dont really consider the heldrake to be a "big" epic kit on the scale of the wraithknight and riptide, its a flyer and flyers are expected for each army. Are you going to argue that the Eldar received two big kits because they received a flyer and the wraith knight?

It makes perfect sense from a sales perspective for the IG and sisters to share a big kit. Less cost to develop and more sales equals more profit. That is the only thing GW cares about.


The allies system renders sharing kits between codexes redundent. You can already put vendetta gunships in a sisters army without issue as they are battle brothers. Any big kit guard got sisters could just incorporate as could vanilla space marines. So it wouldn't be adding to the army if they re-released sisters. Plus even if they made it a sisters of battle codex unit it could still be used by any imperial army, ergo not limiting sales at all.

I do still consider the helldrake a big kit because it is suitably impressive and the wings do add a sense of scale to it. The eldar, tau and dark eldar fliers are all too small and thin to be considered big models. I would put the helldrake up with the valkyrie and stormraven for that reason even if it is on the small side.

Also, they don't sell well because they have ridiculously expensive all pewter models that are ancient and direct order only. I am pretty sure if 40k gamers are willing to buy dominatrix space elves in latex catsuits or naked succubus then I am pretty sure there is no issue with a bunch of women in power armor.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 00:08:49


Post by: Slaanesh-Devotee


 Totalwar1402 wrote:


Only 2 of the 5 6th edition codexes have received a big kit, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines and Demons did not receive a "big" kit on the scale of the Riptide and Wraith Knight, so I am not convinced every codex is destined to get one.


Well chaos marines got the dragon. That was their big kit.

Daemons will probs get rethingied greater daemons eventually.

Plus I would extend this further back to Grey Knights with the Dreadknight and the big fliers the Imperial guard and blood angels got. Really big impressive kits. As well as the Tyranids getting the massive tyrannofex and trygon.


Chaos got the Fiends, Daemons got all sorts of Chariots, I feel like those fit in, as they are big bases.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 00:13:19


Post by: hotsauceman1


A walker, With several pipe organs ontop With pentiants chained to play to organs while it delivers various missles


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 00:43:07


Post by: Furyou Miko


JWhex - nobody else shares a big kit, so no, no it doesn't.

The only way it makes sense is if you decide that Sisters don't deserve their own stuff because they may as well be guardsmen.

Personally, I reckon we'd get some kind of Penitent Engine Cheer Squad. :p

No, I jest. But a big Penitent Engine or Saintmaker Dreadknight or something would work.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 01:18:09


Post by: JWhex


 Furyou Miko wrote:
JWhex - nobody else shares a big kit, so no, no it doesn't.

The only way it makes sense is if you decide that Sisters don't deserve their own stuff because they may as well be guardsmen.

Personally, I reckon we'd get some kind of Penitent Engine Cheer Squad. :p

No, I jest. But a big Penitent Engine or Saintmaker Dreadknight or something would work.


It makes sense from a profit perspective, I never said the SoB did not deserve a unique big kit. Now people are saying that things like fiends and chariots are "big" kits, wtf????


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 01:19:47


Post by: curran12


I dunno about a multi-person Penitent Engine...I got this really bad mental image of a grimdark Megazord.

That said, if I were to guess, I'm thinking since Sisters specialize in all things burning, it needs to involve something big with Torrent, possibilities include:

A napalm flyer, with torrent bombs. This is a bit too much like a Helldrake, so perhaps not.

Some kind of massive flamethrower, either a chapel on tank treads, or maybe even a futuristic flame catapult sort of thing.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 01:53:37


Post by: Pouncey


Kinda hoping for some sort of holy relic bearing tank the size of a Baneblade - but of course an original chassis. With some turrets with options for melta, flamer, and bolter weapons. Maybe with an oversized rotary bolt cannon (like half a Vulcan Megabolter), with options to swap it out for a twin-linked Flamestorm Cannon or whatever the Redeemer has on its sponsons, or some sort of longer-ranged melta blast weapon.

But this has got me remembering something I was reading about before I took a long, long break from 40k...

Isn't it getting about time for that supposed highly-detailed release schedule to start happening? Or was that disproven or what happened with that?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 02:02:22


Post by: sudojoe


My vote is for an even giant-er saint like Machiarius reborn or something that shoots lazers from his eyes.

Anyone consider the possibility that sisters could get the baneblade if we're sharing with IG? Takes 2 Heavy slots to fill one but has 9 HP's and such!

Either those or a giant catherial tank would be ok with me too.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 02:06:14


Post by: Troike


 sudojoe wrote:
My vote is for an even giant-er saint like Machiarius reborn or something that shoots lazers from his eyes.

Anyone consider the possibility that sisters could get the baneblade if we're sharing with IG? Takes 2 Heavy slots to fill one but has 9 HP's and such!

Either those or a giant catherial tank would be ok with me too.

Why not combine the two? A cathedral themed baneblade. With an inferno cannon.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 02:09:08


Post by: Ozomoto


 Totalwar1402 wrote:
 Ozomoto wrote:
 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I don't really think a tank is in the same vein as the more recent big plastic kits.

The fliers have been hit and miss so far. The dragon, dark angels and eldar fliers were awesome but a lot of the others were kinda meh.



Sorry, but did you call the dark angels fliers awseome?


Yeah I like the whole slim batwing look it has. It actually looks like a stealth fighter.


But for large kits for each army, as it stands,

Imperial guard-Valkyrie
Blood Angels-Stormraven
Tyranids-Trygon and Tyrannofex
Eldar-Wraithknight
Chaos marines- The dragon
Tau-Riptide
Grey Knights-Dreadknight

Thats quite a big block of the recent codexes. Only Necrons, Dark Eldar and Dark Angels haven't had an obviously big new kit.


Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about gameplay, not looks.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 02:12:21


Post by: Pouncey


 Troike wrote:
 sudojoe wrote:
My vote is for an even giant-er saint like Machiarius reborn or something that shoots lazers from his eyes.

Anyone consider the possibility that sisters could get the baneblade if we're sharing with IG? Takes 2 Heavy slots to fill one but has 9 HP's and such!

Either those or a giant catherial tank would be ok with me too.

Why not combine the two? A cathedral themed baneblade. With an inferno cannon.


This pleases me...

Edit: Nevermind, I derped and read the post wrong.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 02:26:02


Post by: Lynata




That little tracked vehicle on the right.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 02:39:37


Post by: Pouncey


I'm not sure I have enough room on my table for something like that.

Well, maybe, but the battle would have to be fought either on or in it.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 04:08:50


Post by: JWhex


That looks like a Capitol Imperialis, which is an IG unit, which people in this thread object to.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 04:09:30


Post by: Pouncey


JWhex wrote:
That looks like a Capitol Imperialis, which is an IG unit, which people in this thread object to.


But it has a fleur-de-lis on it...


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 04:16:32


Post by: Lynata




That ... thing ... in the Codex artwork seems a bit thinner and much longer than the Capitol above. It probably wouldn't be too far off to consider that the Imperium has an entire category for tracked fortresses, similar to how they have several types of Superheavies and Titans.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 04:21:04


Post by: Pouncey


 Lynata wrote:


That ... thing ... in the Codex artwork seems a bit thinner and much longer than the Capitol above. It probably wouldn't be too far off to consider that the Imperium has an entire category for tracked fortresses, similar to how they have several types of Superheavies and Titans.


And in 100 years, we'll be playing WH40k with three of them as Heavy Support, and a Sister of Battle will cost 2 points.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 04:40:55


Post by: JWhex


The appearance of the epic model is limited by the fact it was made a very long time ago. I have seen both epic and 40k scale Capitol Imperialis vehicles scratch built that look not unlike the one in the picture.

A Capitol Imperialis would be a poor choice for a 40k model because its role was to transport an entire company of vehicles. I just dont get the sense that the sisters routinely operate on a scale large enough to need or even desire a CI.

I also get the idea that the sisters would not especially enjoy having to put up with a lot of cogboys that would be needed to keep a levithan or a capitol imperialis running. In Faith and Fire one sister even dismisses space marines as abhumans and martians seem more alien to me than space marines.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 05:43:11


Post by: Lynata


Technically, nobody is talking about a Capitol Imperialis but you, based on the assumption that an old model (which by your own admission does not look like the one on the image) is for some reason supposed to be the same, which in turn is based on the assumption that the Imperium can only have one class of tracked fortress, ever. I also don't see why some fans disregarding the original models when scratch-building their homemade tanks should have any effect on the idea.

At the end of the day, we have a Codex artwork with a huge tracked cathedral with the SoB logo on it, 's all I'm saying.
And the Major Orders actually do seem to operate on this scale at least on semi-regular fashion, given that it's the "Big Six" that traverse the entire Imperium in an effort to deploy troops to various important hot spots, filling in for the locally limited and much smaller Minor Orders.
It's probably some sort of mobile command post, although that is pure speculation and there are probably a dozen other possible uses for such a monstrosity.

On a sidenote, GW fluff (specifically the article on Rhinos in WD #269) mentioned that the Sisterhood has its own staff of personnel "sanctioned and pure of heart" to care for their equipment and vehicles. It's probably little difference whether the Sororitas need to care for entire armoured formations of Rhinos, Immolators and Exorcists as well as their flyers and starships, or whether they also have to assign a few of these "cog girls" to the service of some mobile cathedral. In the grand scale of things, this wouldn't really be pushing their capabilities. The Sororitas are small, but they're not that small that a dozen additional techs per Order (and a small army of servitors) would be too much.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 05:55:26


Post by: JWhex


 Lynata wrote:
Technically, nobody is talking about a Capitol Imperialis but you, based on the assumption that an old model (which by your own admission does not look like the one on the image) is for some reason supposed to be the same, which in turn is based on the assumption that the Imperium can only have one class of tracked fortress, ever.

At the end of the day, we have a Codex artwork with a huge tracked cathedral with the SoB logo on it, 's all I'm saying.
And the Major Orders actually do seem to operate on this scale at least on semi-regular fashion, given that it's the "Big Six" that traverse the entire Imperium in an effort to deploy troops to various important hot spots, filling in for the locally limited and much smaller Minor Orders.
It's probably some sort of mobile command post, although that is pure speculation and there are probably a dozen other possible uses for such a monstrosity.

On a sidenote, GW fluff (specifically the article on Rhinos in WD #269) mentioned that the Sisterhood has its own staff of personnel "sanctioned and pure of heart" to care for their equipment and vehicles. It's probably little difference whether the Sororitas need to care for entire armoured formations of Rhinos, Immolators and Exorcists as well as their flyers and starships, or whether they also have to assign a few of these "cog girls" to the service of some mobile cathedral. In the grand scale of things, this wouldn't really be pushing their capabilities. The Sororitas are small, but they're not that small that a dozen additional techs per Order (and a small army of servitors) would be too much.



I never said anything about the imperium having one giant tracked vehicle, I have had leviathans and an Imperial Hellebore in my epic collection, probably since before you were out of diapers.

I am curious where it is described that the SoB have starships like you said, I would expect that they would be delivered by the Imperial Navy. Likewise, there is nowhere that I know of that describes the SoB as operating flyers. Wouldnt this also be a job for the Imperial Navy?



What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 06:28:53


Post by: Solis Luna Astrum


Things I think the Sisters would need if released as a 6th edition army.

A new troops unit. Something like Sisters in augmented power armour, better than regular armour but not to the level of Terminator Armour. Say a 3+, 6+inv with S & T 4 and two wounds. Kind of like a light weight Paladin. Make it an Elites choice that can hold or contest objectives.

Penitent Engine. A plastic kit that could be built into two different versions, say a lighter version armed with a heavy flamer, two close combat weapons and a jump pack as a fast attack choice and a heavier version with longer range, higher power weapons for fire support, a heavy choice.

Check out the Voss Lightning Strike Fighter from Forgeworld. Make this in plastic and make it a Fast Attack choice for the Sisters. Include icons for the popular Space Marine chapters and let them take it too. GW will sell tons of them.

A plastic kit that can make all of the various Sisters units, much like the Grey Knights Strike Squad kit.

A vehicle conversion kit that lets you take a Rhino and convert it to the various Sisters vehicles. Also points and stats for the available Forgeworld vehicle models. Maybe conversion bits for a Sisters Predator tank.





What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 08:57:12


Post by: Kroothawk


As GW's concept time for new units and their names is 5 seconds max, it will be a Penitent Knight, which is a blown up penitent engine with a cathedral on its shoulders, big template flamer or sword in one hand and shield in the other.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 09:19:41


Post by: Mr Morden


A baneblade or similar base and big Cathedral top would be great

In terms of scale an individual Sororitas Order is larger than most individual Astartes Chapters so the required support staff for their starships and heavy stuff should not be a major issue. The only real difference is that most Marines have Chapter serfs or similar.....


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 09:27:02


Post by: Shandara


Since SoB requisition units from the Navy/IG I'd say Baneblades and their variants. I wouldn't say no to a special SoB Warhound variant though.



What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 09:43:53


Post by: kb305


some big stupid throne thing on wheels being pulled by man slaves who are getting whipped by repentia drivers with lots of toilet paper rolls hanging down everywhere.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 09:53:26


Post by: warpspider89


 Totalwar1402 wrote:
 Ozomoto wrote:
 Totalwar1402 wrote:
I don't really think a tank is in the same vein as the more recent big plastic kits.

The fliers have been hit and miss so far. The dragon, dark angels and eldar fliers were awesome but a lot of the others were kinda meh.



Sorry, but did you call the dark angels fliers awseome?


Yeah I like the whole slim batwing look it has. It actually looks like a stealth fighter.


But for large kits for each army, as it stands,

Imperial guard-Valkyrie
Blood Angels-Stormraven
Tyranids-Trygon and Tyrannofex
Eldar-Wraithknight
Chaos marines- The dragon
Tau-Riptide
Grey Knights-Dreadknight

Thats quite a big block of the recent codexes. Only Necrons, Dark Eldar and Dark Angels haven't had an obviously big new kit.


If the stormraven counts for Blood Angels then you have to include the Monolith for Necrons. Also, I think the fact that Dark Angels didn't get a super massive unit shows that not ever army HAS to get one.

I'm inclined to agree that it would be something like a mobile fortress-monastary... sort of like a Necron monalith in some ways.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 10:38:02


Post by: Lynata


JWhex wrote:I am curious where it is described that the SoB have starships like you said, I would expect that they would be delivered by the Imperial Navy. Likewise, there is nowhere that I know of that describes the SoB as operating flyers. Wouldnt this also be a job for the Imperial Navy?
Their very first appearance in the original Rogue Trader book (as later re-validated by the designer's notes for the 3E Codex) and the 2E Codex Imperialis.
It's one of the small details that just doesn't get widely propagated - some licensed products occasionally make use of this potential, though, such as the DoW expansion Soulstorm, whereas GW fluff generally just lets them appear at places, not bothering with how they got there.

It makes sense when you think about it - they're basically "church police" (often expanding their mandate on other Imperial forces as well), and being dependent on clergy-manipulated Navy vessels would be a hindrance to their duties. Also, it would drag the Imperium at large into many conflicts that otherwise remain contained to "SoB vs X", such as their punitive expedition to Fenris.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 11:24:40


Post by: Mr Morden


 Shandara wrote:
Since SoB requisition units from the Navy/IG I'd say Baneblades and their variants. I wouldn't say no to a special SoB Warhound variant though.


Neither the Guard or the Navy have any access to Titans (in current fluff) - the Adeptus Mechanicus controls all Titans in the Imperium and a good proportion of specialist Super Heavy vehicles - however a mobile cathedral would be great - looking at some of the Dystopian Wars models for Epic scale conversions now



What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 11:39:55


Post by: AlexHolker


What they should get: a church on tracks, like my counts-as Stormlord.

What they'd probably get: some stupid Penitent Engine thing.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 12:01:55


Post by: washout77


Going off of the Baneblade idea..

Just have a Baneblade, but replace all the cannons with giant flame-throwers. The sponsons are Multi-Meltas or something.

And build a Church on it. And the Church has a giant laser on the top. Because why not?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 12:14:12


Post by: angel of ecstasy




They'll get this. But bigger.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 12:33:34


Post by: Shandara


 washout77 wrote:
Going off of the Baneblade idea..

Just have a Baneblade, but replace all the cannons with giant flame-throwers. The sponsons are Multi-Meltas or something.

And build a Church on it. And the Church has a giant laser on the top. Because why not?


I built mine with hellstorm flamers on the sponsons, multi-meltas for the turrets and a big Vulcan Mega Bolter on the main turret. It doesn't have a church on top though, sorry.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 12:36:00


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Kroothawk wrote:
As GW's concept time for new units and their names is 5 seconds max, it will be a Penitent Knight, which is a blown up penitent engine with a cathedral on its shoulders, big template flamer or sword in one hand and shield in the other.


My gosh! How does Kroothawk get this inside information!


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 Pouncey wrote:
 Lynata wrote:


That ... thing ... in the Codex artwork seems a bit thinner and much longer than the Capitol above. It probably wouldn't be too far off to consider that the Imperium has an entire category for tracked fortresses, similar to how they have several types of Superheavies and Titans.


And in 100 years, we'll be playing WH40k with three of them as Heavy Support, and a Sister of Battle will cost 2 points.


I don't buy it.

I refuse to believe the SoB will get a new codex or models in the next 100 years.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 12:38:56


Post by: Shandara


Same place as I did:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/414679.page#3640603

Shame the pictures are down. Guy was years ahead of GW with his naming sense!


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 12:44:00


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Anyway from the Dakka gallery here's some ideas.











What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 13:13:58


Post by: Lynata


Whoah. I've seen the last one already, but the two middle ones are new to me, and quite brilliant.

Personally, I'd probably opt for the 3rd one (though it slightly resembles this Space Marine supertank I vaguely remember from Epic 40k) and remove some of the weapons, as it looks very close to the cool Codex artwork already. Working from that idea, it'd just need some cool ability/function to be useful in spite of (apparently) not sporting a lot of big guns...

Also:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I don't buy it.
I refuse to believe the SoB will get a new codex or models in the next 100 years.


A healthy dose of cynism really does make taking the cruel truth behind it so much easier.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 14:46:33


Post by: Pouncey


Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Things I think the Sisters would need if released as a 6th edition army.

A new troops unit. Something like Sisters in augmented power armour, better than regular armour but not to the level of Terminator Armour. Say a 3+, 6+inv with S & T 4 and two wounds. Kind of like a light weight Paladin. Make it an Elites choice that can hold or contest objectives.


Sisters of Battle already have a 6+ invulnerable save.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 15:00:23


Post by: Lynata


Celestians with storm shields and power swords.

The Canoness being the only possible "paladin" (in terms of equipment) always bothered me a bit, especially since the Celestians are supposed to be her bodyguards. And now they went and put a male knightly CC unit into the male Ecclesiarchy Conclave - in the SoB army. Durr.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 15:18:19


Post by: Pouncey


 Lynata wrote:
Celestians with storm shields and power swords.

The Canoness being the only possible "paladin" (in terms of equipment) always bothered me a bit, especially since the Celestians are supposed to be her bodyguards. And now they went and put a male knightly CC unit into the male Ecclesiarchy Conclave - in the SoB army. Durr.


I use some Reaper Minis models in place of the Crusaders. : D


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 15:21:51


Post by: Evileyes


I imagine with the giant walker theme, it would be a super penitent engine, a cross between the standard penitent engine, and a dreadknight-esque model.

Someone must have been really, -really- bad.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 15:38:41


Post by: Lynata


The scary thing is, with Karamazov there already is a precedent for that...

Granted, that was Witch Hunters / Ordo Hereticus, but they *did* share a book for two editions.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 17:07:25


Post by: Solis Luna Astrum


 Pouncey wrote:
Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Things I think the Sisters would need if released as a 6th edition army.

A new troops unit. Something like Sisters in augmented power armour, better than regular armour but not to the level of Terminator Armour. Say a 3+, 6+inv with S & T 4 and two wounds. Kind of like a light weight Paladin. Make it an Elites choice that can hold or contest objectives.


Sisters of Battle already have a 6+ invulnerable save.


I did not know that, thank you. So then maybe a 3+, 5+inv. Or to make the unit a little different, how about a 3+ armour, and a one time use 2+ inv? Kind of representing the armour is strong enough to stop most any wound, but in doing so is damaged to the point that it can't do it again.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 19:48:21


Post by: 1hadhq


So we have the "mobile cathedral" as acceptable option .

Aren't the sisters suffering from the imperial specialization issue here? Guard shouldn't have fliers. Extra large walkers should fly the colors of the mechanicum. Marines shouldn't use slow and lumbering wargear. etc pp.




But at least, whenever the SoB return , GW surely has upscaled already and you get no kit, but a costume...to be said walker....


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 19:53:19


Post by: Sigvatr


A giant massage stick.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 20:34:44


Post by: Lynata


1hadhq wrote:Aren't the sisters suffering from the imperial specialization issue here? Guard shouldn't have fliers. Extra large walkers should fly the colors of the mechanicum. Marines shouldn't use slow and lumbering wargear. etc pp.
It's a valid thought in terms of background limitations. The Sisters suffer from being "Marines Lite", covering many the same angles in that they are specialised on quick and decisive strikes - not quite as hard as the Marines (drop pods aren't standard), but much closer to them than to the prolonged-action capability of the Guard. I suppose it could be argued that in this regard too they fall somewhere in-between them in that unlike the Marines, who tend to leave and redeploy again quickly after delivering the strike, the Sisters might just opt to linger around and do mop-up operations - something the Astartes usually leave to the IG.

Following this train of thought, perhaps the cathedral could be justified as sort of mini-convent intended to both aid in breaching a heavily fortified position as well as, after this, becoming the temporary headquarters for the detachment and any allied contingents. With the Marines' Leviathan as a precedent, I suppose rare exceptions from the rule could be forgiven when a vehicle would fill an occasionally useful role. The more I think about this, however, the more I feel that this is Apoc only stuff, as I don't believe there would be many such vehicles in existence, and that they'd only get fielded during a crusade where the Ecclesiarchy steamrolls an entire planet ...

... was I perhaps thinking too big? What other smaller options could there be, aside from just a slightly bigger tank or a bigger walker, which just doesn't sound very unique? It could also be some sort of oversized Saint (Soulstorm-style), but that would be a tad too fantastical for my taste.

Going back to the Vessel of Judgment that angel of ecstasy posted, I also remembered seeing this in both a Total War game as well as the movie Kingdom of Heaven:



And then I remembered a comment I once read on another forum. I don't recall the exact quote but it was something along the lines "Space Marines have tanks they turn into relics - the Ecclesiarchy should just take relics, throw a ton of money at the Mechanicus, and turn them into tanks!"

In this spirit, perhaps it could be some wicked wheeled symbol of the faith that is supposed to instill terror in the hearts of the heathen and raise the spirits of the faithful, as well as having some powerful and strange weapon built into its chassis? A massive multi-axle chariot of divine retribution that carries a huge golden skull that shoots turbo-laser blasts out of its mouth or something equally ridiculous.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 20:58:13


Post by: Kroothawk


 Sigvatr wrote:
A giant massage stick.

Already released for Space marines


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 21:00:14


Post by: Baronyu


 Kroothawk wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
A giant massage stick.

Already released for Space marines


Too small.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 21:57:02


Post by: Lynata




"Ribbed for his pleasure"?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/27 22:03:52


Post by: Totalwar1402


So most people think it'll either be

-Giant penitent

-Cathedral/altar tank

No other ideas or musings?

I do hope they put the penitents inside the machine though and explain they're sisters of battle put into the machines not random sinners. Add a bit of unity to the army units. Less silly.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 00:10:20


Post by: deviantduck


Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Things I think the Sisters would need if released as a 6th edition army.

A new troops unit. Something like Sisters in augmented power armour, better than regular armour but not to the level of Terminator Armour. Say a 3+, 6+inv with S & T 4 and two wounds. Kind of like a light weight Paladin. Make it an Elites choice that can hold or contest objectives.

Is a second troop choice of WS4 BS3 S4 T3 A2 I4 3+/6++ too much to ask? It could be extra expensive. Give them hand flamers and a power weapon?

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Penitent Engine. A plastic kit that could be built into two different versions, say a lighter version armed with a heavy flamer, two close combat weapons and a jump pack as a fast attack choice and a heavier version with longer range, higher power weapons for fire support, a heavy choice.

Just move PE's to the elite slot and they're golden.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
Check out the Voss Lightning Strike Fighter from Forgeworld. Make this in plastic and make it a Fast Attack choice for the Sisters. Include icons for the popular Space Marine chapters and let them take it too. GW will sell tons of them.

The avenger strike fighter is great, it's not just better than a retributer squad or an exorcist for the points. Make them fast attack and they're perfect too.

Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
A plastic kit that can make all of the various Sisters units, much like the Grey Knights Strike Squad kit.

+1

If they're going to get a new big unit i'd make it some sort of armored anti infantry tank. Ideally i'd take an exorcist and give it a front attachment like the ww2 US m4 sherman's mine sweeper flail. Picture an exorcist with 5 arco flagellents strapped to the front, aka an exorcist with a deth roller. No real big guns, just fast moving carnage and mayhem.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 00:39:23


Post by: JWhex


 Lynata wrote:
Whoah. I've seen the last one already, but the two middle ones are new to me, and quite brilliant.

Personally, I'd probably opt for the 3rd one (though it slightly resembles this Space Marine supertank I vaguely remember from Epic 40k) and remove some of the weapons, as it looks very close to the cool Codex artwork already. Working from that idea, it'd just need some cool ability/function to be useful in spite of (apparently) not sporting a lot of big guns...

Also:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:I don't buy it.
I refuse to believe the SoB will get a new codex or models in the next 100 years.


A healthy dose of cynism really does make taking the cruel truth behind it so much easier.


The marines never had a Levithan.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 03:53:44


Post by: Lynata


deviantduck wrote:Is a second troop choice of WS4 BS3 S4 T3 A2 I4 3+/6++ too much to ask? It could be extra expensive. Give them hand flamers and a power weapon?
I'd rather any new units don't stomp on established studio fluff. Battle Sisters are the basis of a convent, similar to Tactical Marines. More elite Sisters become Seraphim or Celestians, and I feel that Elite infantry should go into the appropriate force org slot.
If a second troop choice is an option, I'd rather have them gain something cheaper instead. Perhaps an equivalent to the Marines' Scouts. Like ... Novices. To make up for the lost ISTs, if you will.

Imho, one of the interesting aspects about this army has always been that they are organised in the same manner as a Marine Chapter, yet still different once you look closer. "Similar but distinct." It's a trend I'd like to see being continued.

deviantduck wrote:
Solis Luna Astrum wrote:Check out the Voss Lightning Strike Fighter from Forgeworld. Make this in plastic and make it a Fast Attack choice for the Sisters. Include icons for the popular Space Marine chapters and let them take it too. GW will sell tons of them.

The avenger strike fighter is great, it's not just better than a retributer squad or an exorcist for the points. Make them fast attack and they're perfect too.
As far as flyers are concerned, I'd wish for the Lightning and the Valkyrie. I think those designs look much more 40k'ish than the "WW2" type fighters you mentioned, though that may be a matter of perception. Of course, I may be somewhat biased as those were the first flyers I've seen SoB units use anywhere (-> Soulstorm), although I've always loved the Valkyrie in general. It's just a sexy design. <3

JWhex wrote:The marines never had a Levithan.
They had in Final Liberation.
Granted, obviously not a direct studio source (and it is likely known by now what I always preach about those ), but as the original Epic 40k rules are a bit hard to find I've always just assumed the game aimed for an accurate reproduction of the TT rules, until I see something to the contrary.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 05:27:15


Post by: 60mm


An epic sized panini grill to toast their enemies to grilled sammich yummyness.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 06:31:22


Post by: Furyou Miko


The Valkyrie is indeed a sexy, sexy design, and I mourn the loss of them far more than I regret losing any other Inquisitional silliness.

I had to start a Guard army because of that. :(

The other option rather than penitents would be a giant pulpit. Either a walker (likely) or some kind of super-rhino with a fighting platform only available as a dedicated transport for priests.

Provides melee smashiness, heavy weapons support, and faith/morale bonusses.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 11:39:16


Post by: 1hadhq


 Lynata wrote:


And then I remembered a comment I once read on another forum. I don't recall the exact quote but it was something along the lines "Space Marines have tanks they turn into relics - the Ecclesiarchy should just take relics, throw a ton of money at the Mechanicus, and turn them into tanks!"

In this spirit, perhaps it could be some wicked wheeled symbol of the faith that is supposed to instill terror in the hearts of the heathen and raise the spirits of the faithful, as well as having some powerful and strange weapon built into its chassis? A massive multi-axle chariot of divine retribution that carries a huge golden skull that shoots turbo-laser blasts out of its mouth or something equally ridiculous.



Carries a golden skull and GW? Sorry, it will be a giant skull, decorated with skulls, shooting skulls at the unbelievers.

But the idea of sisters as the army with a chariot type vehicle may work.

You could start small:

- basic HQ, sisters , some rhino based basic vehicles.
- members of the ecclesiarchy, enraged mob of citizens as cheap tarpit unit, servitorized heretics, penitent engines.
- no psykers, but maybe an improved ability to disbelief , ie deny the witch?
- increase morale, decrease morale of the enemy. Tie it to relics and make em mobile. Small ones to carry and attach to vehicles and a extra large rare type of rolling war-shrine.
- fliers. The role to fly and be 'angelic' is given to Saints and Seraphim. Maybe a "spear-like" AA weapon to be used whilst flying high?
( am not saying throw a spear , just let it look a bit like something archaic. A missile based AA system ...




What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 13:04:18


Post by: Lynata


1hadhq wrote:Carries a golden skull and GW? Sorry, it will be a giant skull, decorated with skulls, shooting skulls at the unbelievers.


1hadhq wrote:enraged mob of citizens as cheap tarpit unit
So, Frateris Militia. Definitively +1 to this - always thought it was sad they were taken out. Ecclesiarchy Conclaves make little sense if they're not there to lead huge swathes of crazed civvies.

1hadhq wrote:no psykers, but maybe an improved ability to disbelief , ie deny the witch?
I always thought that the 3E Shield of Faith was much more characterful than the lame 5E Invul Save version, too. Sure, you could say that the new save is a sort of FNP Lite where their zeal just lets them refuse to lie down and die peacefully, but thematically, the ability to just ignore harmful as well as benevolent psyker spells was a much more obvious fit, imo.

1hadhq wrote:increase morale, decrease morale of the enemy. Tie it to relics and make em mobile. Small ones to carry and attach to vehicles and a extra large rare type of rolling war-shrine.
The small and vehicle-borne versions exist already (Simulacrum, Laud Hailers..), although I feel the Book of St. Lucius needs to return. The XXL version ties well in to the skull or the chariot/pulpit idea.
Another idea could be carried and captureable relics that are both a boon as well as a risk to the player. Bring 'em to the front and enjoy their benefits. But if the enemy manages to capture and defile one, well ... your girls won't like that. Although this could perhaps have a double-sided effect, too, in that at first it's a big shock to the SoB army, but then they get "rage" benefits for attacking the enemy who has stolen the relic. Might be getting too complicated now, though ...

1hadhq wrote:fliers. The role to fly and be 'angelic' is given to Saints and Seraphim. Maybe a "spear-like" AA weapon to be used whilst flying high?
( am not saying throw a spear , just let it look a bit like something archaic. A missile based AA system ...
Love it! Angels with spears are a common theme in religious art, so obviously there's potential to tap here.

Spoiler:

+




What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 16:37:00


Post by: Furyou Miko


lol at the lance of Longinus there.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/28 18:15:27


Post by: Psienesis


He's compensating for the chem-gelding.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/29 15:11:11


Post by: HisDivineShadow


Troops in plastic. Epic.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/30 01:51:54


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Some something different how about this?

One of the old rumors for the Witch Hunter codex is they'd get psykers crucified on Aquilla's. So how about a giant Aquilla, on a cart, with psykers hanging off it firing off blasts of energy?

Alternately leave them off for some sort of protection field.

Add some bolter and flamer turrets and you're golden.

Grimdark, impractical, evil, dual use.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/30 05:29:00


Post by: dracpanzer


I like the idea of a Chariot based unit, with either a Relic for army wide buffs, or Burning Heretics to cause some kind of Torrent madness. Though I'd be perfectly happy with the WD codex we have, if the Immolator had a Inferno Cannon with Torrent.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/30 05:50:39


Post by: JWhex


@Lynata, in the Epic game the Leviathan was a unit of the Imperial Guard. I have the various rule sets and the marines never had a leviathan. I dont think everything has to come out of a codex or rule set, but junk from videogames I dont really consider worthwhile if it contradicts everything else you know about the faction.

The whole idea of a huge ponderous warmachine like the leviathan being fielded by the space marines goes against their doctrine of being an elite, surgical strike type of force. It can be dismissed easily out of hand.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/30 05:57:57


Post by: Furyou Miko


HisDivineShadow wrote:Troops in plastic. Epic.


Have an exalt.

JWhex wrote:@Lynata, in the Epic game the Leviathan was a unit of the Imperial Guard. I have the various rule sets and the marines never had a leviathan. I dont think everything has to come out of a codex or rule set, but junk from videogames I dont really consider worthwhile if it contradicts everything else you know about the faction.

The whole idea of a huge ponderous warmachine like the leviathan being fielded by the space marines goes against their doctrine of being an elite, surgical strike type of force. It can be dismissed easily out of hand.


The same game gave the Marines Knight Paladins as their Titan, although only the computer could actually field them because of a bug in the army builder.

Anyway, we all know that the truly epic thing from FinLib was Commissar Holt.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/05/30 19:02:11


Post by: Lynata


JWhex wrote:@Lynata, in the Epic game the Leviathan was a unit of the Imperial Guard. I have the various rule sets and the marines never had a leviathan. I dont think everything has to come out of a codex or rule set, but junk from videogames I dont really consider worthwhile if it contradicts everything else you know about the faction.
Fair enough. As I said I've (sadly!) never had a chance to look at the original, decades-old OOP rulebook, and the argument about a Leviathan being too slow for their combat doctrine has merit. I guess I just expected there to be some cop-out explanation like there sometimes is for other things in 40k.

I also agree about the deviating visions from videogames, novels and other outsourced products, of course. Sometimes, they have some neat ideas that would fit in nicely, but other times ... well, it is as you said. Even though 40k does not have a canon policy, I myself am sticking firmly to GW's fluff as well.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 05:04:25


Post by: artofwaaagh


mecha SoB

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What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 05:20:41


Post by: Spetulhu


 Totalwar1402 wrote:
No other ideas or musings?


The Living Saint ala DoW series released as a huge plastic kit. Flying Monstrous Creature, incredibly tough and dangerous... and it stands back up when you kill it.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 05:58:53


Post by: Badablack


They'll get a Nundam.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 11:31:49


Post by: JWhex


Even though a lot of people like the idea of a mobile fort/chapel I think that is too big for 40k, even if GW does something stupid and puts a baneblade in the next codex.

A giant walker is kind of a meh idea because it is the overused/default.

Thinking about what the sisters actually do in battle leads to some different kinds of ideas as to what they might find useful. They are a close range firefight army so I think some of these units would be appropriate but they may not really be "epic" enough for most people.

An aircraft like the A-10 Warthog for close combat support.

A vehicle that like the land raider, the SoB could assault directly out of. Something land raider size that could hold a couple of squads.

Vindicator, this is a short range weapon and I think it fits well with the idea of the nuns charging up to some heretic's fortress, breaching its gate and pounding it before they go all Leroy Jenkins with their flamers. Its a brutal relatively short range tank on a rhino chasis so I think it really fits with the SoB approach.

Access to Knights and vendettas.

It is important to remember that Knight Households are separate from the IG as is the Navy. Now suppose the IG do get a Knight, there is no reason why the SoB could not also request the same assistance from a Knight Household. Likewise the Navy would be supplying the A-10 above so their is no reason that the Sisters could not ask the same for vendetta support.

I want to emphasize that I think they should be able to take these units without allying with the IG. By getting a giant walker from a knight house hold and aircraft from the Navy then we dont need any stupid retcons or gymnastics with the background. Also this enables the SoB to get some air support but leaves the option open for allies as well.

For those that dont have access to the old epic rules, there were a variety of knights and equipping one for close combat support is consistent with the background.

I dont think any of this will come to pass but it is the direction I would go. It gives the SoB access to some of the things they need and the kits suggested could find a role in the IG, except the Vindicator, but it already is in use by marines.

If the SoB ever did get plastic models I would surely model them with tails and horns and probably topless for my traitor guard army as allies. Well at least one breast exposed per slaanesh anyway.





What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 13:19:01


Post by: 1hadhq


JWhex wrote:

a)
- Vindicator,
b)
- we don't need any stupid retcons or gymnastics with the background.


IG has StuG type vehicles, based on Russ Hulls. Sisters have no artillery yet. A full-sized dex should expand the range of weapons.
Flame, melt, bolt, missile as the limited range they have. Maybe a rare system reintroduced could make sense for their siege gear?
Sound based for example... Or gravity... let them crumble under the weigth of their sins...
Basically the dual kit solution, one being the Exorcist and the other the new tank.
The Exorcist to barrage , the other to " open the doors " . Exorcist providing swarms of missiles and blasts, the yet unnamed one more focused and a line shot. Short ranged, but deadly and better armored.

Would this need gymnastics with the background? No, they found it somehwere... Really.



What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 18:31:27


Post by: AegisGrimm


I would assume that fluffwise, that rather than have anything of their own, the SoB would rely upon whatever Superheavy Tank or Imperial Knight that is being used by the Imperial Guard regiments fighting alongside them.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 18:54:54


Post by: Troike


 AegisGrimm wrote:
I would assume that fluffwise, that rather than have anything of their own, the SoB would rely upon whatever Superheavy Tank or Imperial Knight that is being used by the Imperial Guard regiments fighting alongside them.

Not necessarily. They own their own Rhinos and such. No reason they can't own a big tank of their own.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 19:05:12


Post by: Lynata


Or spaceships and aircraft, for that matter.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 19:05:31


Post by: kinratha


Sisters of battle will be lucky if they get a codex first.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 19:07:46


Post by: TheCustomLime


Something that spams flamer templates like no tomorrow. That would be pretty cool, actually.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 19:17:13


Post by: dementedwombat


I'm digging the "close support flier" idea. I'd personally love for one army's "epic unit" to be a flier. Kind of like a Tau Manta only not completely over the top enormous.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 19:24:28


Post by: Veteran Sergeant


 Shandara wrote:
Since SoB requisition units from the Navy/IG I'd say Baneblades and their variants. I wouldn't say no to a special SoB Warhound variant though.

Why not? You could put a skirt and a corset on it.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/01 20:27:23


Post by: Pouncey


 TheCustomLime wrote:
Something that spams flamer templates like no tomorrow. That would be pretty cool, actually.


More flamer templates than a Burna-wagon?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 00:21:24


Post by: Totalwar1402


Spetulhu wrote:
 Totalwar1402 wrote:
No other ideas or musings?


The Living Saint ala DoW series released as a huge plastic kit. Flying Monstrous Creature, incredibly tough and dangerous... and it stands back up when you kill it.


Um, the Soulstorm making Living Saints as big as bloodthirsters is a little bit silly . Yes, you could argue that the likes of Sabbat from Gaunts Ghost are that powerful or in that league. But, its hard to imagine why the transformation would turn the woman into a giant angel ala Greater Daemon or chaos mutations. Generally the Emperors power doesn't have that much of a physical influence and it would be just slightly too silly for most people; having a giant angel stomping around setting fire to people. I'd think it was awesome myself. But it just wouldn't work, would be just too outrageous and the fluff would be outrageous to justify it happening.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 00:26:50


Post by: cygnnus


 Troike wrote:
 sudojoe wrote:
My vote is for an even giant-er saint like Machiarius reborn or something that shoots lazers from his eyes.

Anyone consider the possibility that sisters could get the baneblade if we're sharing with IG? Takes 2 Heavy slots to fill one but has 9 HP's and such!

Either those or a giant catherial tank would be ok with me too.

Why not combine the two? A cathedral themed baneblade. With an inferno cannon.


Like this?

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/kris-kuksi-church-tank/



Valete,

JohnS


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 00:29:27


Post by: Pouncey


 Totalwar1402 wrote:
Spetulhu wrote:
 Totalwar1402 wrote:
No other ideas or musings?


The Living Saint ala DoW series released as a huge plastic kit. Flying Monstrous Creature, incredibly tough and dangerous... and it stands back up when you kill it.


Um, the Soulstorm making Living Saints as big as bloodthirsters is a little bit silly . Yes, you could argue that the likes of Sabbat from Gaunts Ghost are that powerful or in that league. But, its hard to imagine why the transformation would turn the woman into a giant angel ala Greater Daemon or chaos mutations. Generally the Emperors power doesn't have that much of a physical influence and it would be just slightly too silly for most people; having a giant angel stomping around setting fire to people. I'd think it was awesome myself. But it just wouldn't work, would be just too outrageous and the fluff would be outrageous to justify it happening.


The actual Living Saint model is more normally human-sized. Comes on a 40mm base and is probably approaching the height of a dreadnought, but it's because her feet are well off the ground, and she comes with a massive backdrop held up by cherubs.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1250094_99060108061_INQWHSoBStCmain_873x627.jpg

Edit: At least I THINK she comes on a 40mm base. Maybe I just built mine on a 40mm base for stability.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 03:35:01


Post by: Solis Luna Astrum


I like the Land Raider idea. Call it the Land Raider Repentant. Give is sponson mounted twin linked Heavy Flamers and a top mounted twin linked Heavy Incinerator.

Add armored tanks to the outsides of the model to hold the flamer fuel and give it a transport capacity of 20 PA clad Sisters. Add a special rule that allows for two separate squads to deploy in the vehicle at the same time, and allow each to act independently when leaving the vehicle. How cool would it be to have the vehicle roll up and the Sisters inside dismount and charge two different units at the same time.

GW or Forgeworld could provide all this with a simple upgrade kit for the Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer kit.

Another fun rule, since the fuel tanks are mounted on the sides and rear of the vehicle if the model is 'exploded' with a penetrating hit from the side or rear you place the large blast template against the side of the fuel tank and any models under it take a hit with strength and ap equal to the flamers profile.

Place the Heavy Flamers on the front sponsons and the side fuel tanks on the rear sponsons. The model gains transport capacity but looses the side exits of the vehicle.



What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 03:47:52


Post by: Pouncey


Solis Luna Astrum wrote:
I like the Land Raider idea. Call it the Land Raider Repentant. Give is sponson mounted twin linked Heavy Flamers and a top mounted twin linked Heavy Incinerator.

Add armored tanks to the outsides of the model to hold the flamer fuel and give it a transport capacity of 20 PA clad Sisters. Add a special rule that allows for two separate squads to deploy in the vehicle at the same time, and allow each to act independently when leaving the vehicle. How cool would it be to have the vehicle roll up and the Sisters inside dismount and charge two different units at the same time.

GW or Forgeworld could provide all this with a simple upgrade kit for the Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer kit.

Another fun rule, since the fuel tanks are mounted on the sides and rear of the vehicle if the model is 'exploded' with a penetrating hit from the side or rear you place the large blast template against the side of the fuel tank and any models under it take a hit with strength and ap equal to the flamers profile.

Place the Heavy Flamers on the front sponsons and the side fuel tanks on the rear sponsons. The model gains transport capacity but looses the side exits of the vehicle.


Why twin-linked heavy flamers when the Redeemer has a supercharged flamer as its sponson weapon, which torches Marines like marshmallows?

But yes, I like the idea of such an armored assault vehicle, though Sisters aren't exactly a melee-heavy army, apart from Repentia, Battle Conclaves, and Penitent Engines. And some of the HQ choices.

But there's no need to let it carry 2 separate squads. A single Sororitas squad can have up to 20 Battle Sisters in it. ^^ Though I am rather intrigued by the idea of rolling up a Land Raider, unloading two big squads of Dominions with four flamers each, and roasting a veritable FETHLOAD of heretics.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 04:35:04


Post by: amanita


I like the cathedral/chapel tank combo but I think it should be a rolling crematorium about the size and armor of a land raider. Instead of an assault ramp, when it tank shocks it scoops up heretics into its furnace within! Bristle it with short range nastiness and holy icons and its good to go!

A valkyrie variant with meltaguns and flamers would suffice for a flier, though a dedicated gunship would be nice. No lascannons though, those are for the ones who lack faith.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 04:41:41


Post by: Spetulhu


 Pouncey wrote:
The actual Living Saint model is more normally human-sized. Comes on a 40mm base and is probably approaching the height of a dreadnought, but it's because her feet are well off the ground, and she comes with a massive backdrop held up by cherubs.

Edit: At least I THINK she comes on a 40mm base. Maybe I just built mine on a 40mm base for stability.


My blister had a 40mm base and a normal slottabase that the saint could be settled in. I glued the normal base onto the 40mm base, then attached the saint.

And mine is admittedly a gorgeous model, converted to have angel wings instead of the strange drapery. Then an old mate saw in basecoated and asked if he could paint it. His twenty-year old Dark Angels are still better painted than anything the rest of us have produced since. OK, she looks a bit like 80s Madonna but that's not necessarily a bad thing. ;-)


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 04:47:02


Post by: Pouncey


Spetulhu wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
The actual Living Saint model is more normally human-sized. Comes on a 40mm base and is probably approaching the height of a dreadnought, but it's because her feet are well off the ground, and she comes with a massive backdrop held up by cherubs.

Edit: At least I THINK she comes on a 40mm base. Maybe I just built mine on a 40mm base for stability.


My blister had a 40mm base and a normal slottabase that the saint could be settled in. I glued the normal base onto the 40mm base, then attached the saint.

And mine is admittedly a gorgeous model, converted to have angel wings instead of the strange drapery. Then an old mate saw in basecoated and asked if he could paint it. His twenty-year old Dark Angels are still better painted than anything the rest of us have produced since. OK, she looks a bit like 80s Madonna but that's not necessarily a bad thing. ;-)


Nice!

At first, I used mine with the drapery, but eventually, I got a Sanguinary Guard kit for conversions and kitbashing, and took the drapery - and iron spiked halo thing - off her back, and stuck on one of the Sanguinary Guard's backpacks.

She looks like this:

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8471570/

She's also a LOT less top-heavy now. : D

 amanita wrote:
I like the cathedral/chapel tank combo but I think it should be a rolling crematorium about the size and armor of a land raider. Instead of an assault ramp, when it tank shocks it scoops up heretics into its furnace within! Bristle it with short range nastiness and holy icons and its good to go!

A valkyrie variant with meltaguns and flamers would suffice for a flier, though a dedicated gunship would be nice. No lascannons though, those are for the ones who lack faith.


This would also be acceptable. But my favorite so far is the bone-crushing- I mean, the Sororitas Land Raider thing with tons of torchiness.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 07:35:44


Post by: BoomWolf


If we delve into regular tanks discussion, sisters should get baal preds. It fits them more then the BA.

As for epic kit, why not a unique fortification?
A massive church with an absurd number of guns all around?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 12:37:43


Post by: Troike


Just remembered this and thought it'd be informative. For those who think that the SoB need to requisition stuff, take note of the Repressor.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Avignor_Uprising#.Uas7MPx5mc0

In a nutshell: they found a vehicle they liked and incorporated it into their organisation. Fluff-wise, there's no reason they just have to just borrow things. Go nuts.

 amanita wrote:
I like the cathedral/chapel tank combo but I think it should be a rolling crematorium about the size and armor of a land raider. Instead of an assault ramp, when it tank shocks it scoops up heretics into its furnace within! Bristle it with short range nastiness and holy icons and its good to go!

A valkyrie variant with meltaguns and flamers would suffice for a flier, though a dedicated gunship would be nice. No lascannons though, those are for the ones who lack faith.

An aircraft that can drop firebombs might be fun. Would have a good use as a quick-responder against hordes too.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/02 19:08:00


Post by: 1hadhq


Am curious, how far are you people willing to move the SoB into somebody elses home-turf

Because I don't think they should get to close to SM or IG.

Now, fortifications aren't a specialty of the religious part of a civilization.
Sure they defend any place deemed holy tooth and nail, but usually those places are meant to be open to the believers, the pilgrims, the common people. Not bastions of the IoM in a military sense.

I got a fortress of Redemption. Have you seen those in play?
Because all I remember is everybody and his dog going for an ADL.....

The SoB have exactly 1 entry at the GW-site as "bitz" : a shrine, made of metal. 2 pieces...
Maybe a better choice is to provide a building, a shrine made of CoD parts. They can fight there. Its a big as you make it.

So IMHO a Mission objective or as a strategic position granted in their dex, yes give them whatever " fortress of faith" they deserve.

Let me add this:

Spoiler:




a general overview of the units I could imagine they may have.



HQ

'Living' Saint
- finecosted...I guess
high ranking member of the Ecclesiarchy ( bodyguard available ) , Cardinals, Confessors etc
- characters and bodyguard finecosted
Leaders of the sisterhood, coming in 2 flavors, either commanding a preceptory or just the forces at hand. ( command squad available )
- plastic box like the SM captain.
Known characters ( Uriah , Kyrinov, etc )
- finecosted

Elite

Celestians
- plastic box of 5, offer the bitz to build a command squad.
Penitent engines
- plastic. Maybe as single or squad of 3
Priests. ( buy a squad and distribute them like WG or SP. )
- plastic box of 3? 5? (Maybe a shot at plastic missionaries and confessors too.?)

Fast Assault

Seraphim
- plastic box of 5. 2 builds, a traditional one and upgraded wings and hunting spears ( AA capability )
Dominions
- share the box with standard SoB
New Flier. Ground assault role, strafing runs. Bombs using flame template or blast. Punisher cannons. Yes Cannons.
- medium sized plastic kit.

Troops

Sisters of Battle line troopers.
- plastic box of 10. HF and 2 of each special weapon so you may build Dominions too.
Crazed mob / frateris militum. ( cheap cultist equivalent )
- plastic box of 10. mix of weapons, shooty or CC.
Repentia.
- plastic box of 5. (Enjoy martyrdom a lot, but new sculpts. move trough cover, infiltrate, crusader. Feel the pain , a twist of the fnp rule...)

Heavy Support

Retributors
- plastic box of 5. 3x2 heavy weapons. (Its GW, don't be foolish, they won't give you 4x4!)
Exorcist Multiple firing modes, barrages.
- plastic kit. ( either large blast or multiple blasts, aimed at heavy infantry, light vehicles and hordes. Maybe skyfire. )
New Tank. Siege/breacher. Uses relic tech. Focused shots. Based on Sound or Gravity. Gift of the mechanicum.
- plastic too since this is the second build from the exorcist kit. (Devastating shot. Maybe a line? )

Dedicated transports

Rhino
- plastic. standard kit.
Immolator
- plastic. (The preferrable option in cost, only 1€ above the rhino right now...)
Light armed open topped transport. Truck? questionable crew ( slightly mad looking driver etc a bit like Redemptionists )
- plastic. new kit, maybe generally useful ( IG and orks may like it too ). Low armor, standard speed. Could imagine a "put the pedal to the metal" special rule, preventing disembarkation to drive farther... Basic heavy stubber available.
Chariot of Faith . A mobile pulpit, pulled by chained heretics. A platform for sermons and praises to the God Emprah. Ecclesiarchy only.
- plastic. Half of the big kit. Low armor but invul from passenger / relic onboard. Medium speed. Grants boni to surrounding units.
Chariot of Wrath. A fighting platform, crewed by sisters, pulled by battle servitors. Faster than the other one. Additional weapons. SoB only.
- plastic. Half of the big dual kit. Upgunned and faster, still just medium armored and the invul of a passenger may help a bit. Crew to fire the weapons. A fightier variant, not unbreakable but keeping unwanted challenges away.
( saints may pick one )

Apoc unit / big kit:

Mobile church. Maybe baneblade class chassis.
- plastic. Possibly a transport with a " pool of cleansing ", ie a furnace to throw heretics in... for each soul saved from the clutches of chaos the ULH's range expands by 1". Ultra loud hailers. Reduces the focus of psykers close to it by driving those imperial hymns into their brain like a hammer... Turns into a mission objective / building if immobilized. lots of firing points, small arms.

Abilities:

Improved Deny the witch, increase or decrease morale. Acts of Faith. holy promethium , sanctified shells. Relics. Battle hymns.

Release includes:

- characters and unusual models = finecast.
- new kits and redone old kits = plastic.

- about 5-14 blisters of finecosted models.
- boxes of 5 models and dual use, boxes of 10 models. Vehicles.
- about 13 small, medium and big plastic kits, 1 oversized kit.



What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/03 02:36:24


Post by: conker249


After viewing the "leaked" picture of July's white dwarf Apoc sized war machines , Im going to assume their next step will be a mobile baneblade chassis carrying a huge statue of the emperor. Example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/03 02:41:22


Post by: andrewm9


 conker249 wrote:
After viewing the "leaked" picture of July's white dwarf Apoc sized war machines , Im going to assume their next step will be a mobile baneblade chassis carrying a huge statue of the emperor. Example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY


Sisters won't be getting anything for the Apocalypse release because GW doesn't support them in supplements. They haven't so far so why start now.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/03 03:07:26


Post by: conker249


andrewm9 wrote:
 conker249 wrote:
After viewing the "leaked" picture of July's white dwarf Apoc sized war machines , Im going to assume their next step will be a mobile baneblade chassis carrying a huge statue of the emperor. Example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY


Sisters won't be getting anything for the Apocalypse release because GW doesn't support them in supplements. They haven't so far so why start now.

We are in a sisters thread asking about epic units, so why not speculate and have fun?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:10:27


Post by: jmswargaming


andrewm9 wrote:
 conker249 wrote:
After viewing the "leaked" picture of July's white dwarf Apoc sized war machines , Im going to assume their next step will be a mobile baneblade chassis carrying a huge statue of the emperor. Example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY


Sisters won't be getting anything for the Apocalypse release because GW doesn't support them in supplements. They haven't so far so why start now.


Actually, they'll probably just get reprints of the white dwarf formations that released after the codex update.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:23:12


Post by: Pouncey


 conker249 wrote:
After viewing the "leaked" picture of July's white dwarf Apoc sized war machines , Im going to assume their next step will be a mobile baneblade chassis carrying a huge statue of the emperor. Example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY


That thing was so tall that the workers needed space suits and Bender got knocked back when he whipped one of them! : D

Hmm... Tall enough that a space suit would be needed... How many miles is that?

We're probably looking at something at LEAST tall enough that you'd need to play outside or at least in a large warehouse. And you'd need to move it with a small crane or something.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:28:11


Post by: Melissia


I would guess at a baneblade turned in to a rolling cathedral.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:29:32


Post by: Pouncey


 Melissia wrote:
I would guess at a baneblade turned in to a rolling cathedral.


The Sisters do need a place to pray in between slaughterfests when they're out... Is there even a point trying to justify these things with lore?

Also, my friend says the following reminds him of WH40k.

http://brutallegend.wikia.com/wiki/Organist

Our version shoots rockets out of its organ. What if there was a dual kit where one made the rocket tank and the other just blasted music out of its pipe organ which inspires the Sororitas to greater deeds (maybe all Sisters units within 12 or 18" re-roll failed Act of Faith rolls), or maybe puts the fear of the Emperor into their foes (maybe on a successful roll of some sort, target enemy unit within like 18-24" takes a morale test with a penalty, or has some sort of reduced Ballistic Skill or Initiative for a turn, or has to make a successful roll to fire overwatch that turn or something).


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:32:46


Post by: Melissia


 Pouncey wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
I would guess at a baneblade turned in to a rolling cathedral.


The Sisters do need a place to pray in between slaughterfests when they're out... Is there even a point trying to justify these things with lore?
Only if your goal is to add flavor and thus make it more awesome.

But of course, this being 40k, the cathedral needs massive guns.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:38:02


Post by: Pouncey


 Melissia wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
I would guess at a baneblade turned in to a rolling cathedral.


The Sisters do need a place to pray in between slaughterfests when they're out... Is there even a point trying to justify these things with lore?
Only if your goal is to add flavor and thus make it more awesome.

But of course, this being 40k, the cathedral needs massive guns.


Yes, but we're talking about GW.

Wait, am I mixing WoW player complaints about Blizzard trampling on lore with WH40k player complaints about GW trampling on lore?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:38:59


Post by: Melissia


GW makes lore to sell models, you know that.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:42:43


Post by: Pouncey


 Melissia wrote:
GW makes lore to sell models, you know that.


Yes. Yes, of course.

That's kinda what I was thinking. Is there a point trying to justify it with current lore, when GW will just make up whatever?


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:44:26


Post by: Melissia


I think GW prefers to think that it does just that.

Even though their perception of the lore is rarely waht the fans think of it.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:47:51


Post by: TechMarine1


A super exorcist (like all the conversions that started popping up after the first apocalypse).


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 02:54:04


Post by: Pouncey


 Melissia wrote:
I think GW prefers to think that it does just that.

Even though their perception of the lore is rarely waht the fans think of it.


Fans?

This site has GW fans?

Well, I guess the WoW forums have Blizzard fans, and they have even more complaining.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 04:37:50


Post by: andrewm9


jmswargaming wrote:
andrewm9 wrote:
 conker249 wrote:
After viewing the "leaked" picture of July's white dwarf Apoc sized war machines , Im going to assume their next step will be a mobile baneblade chassis carrying a huge statue of the emperor. Example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY


Sisters won't be getting anything for the Apocalypse release because GW doesn't support them in supplements. They haven't so far so why start now.


Actually, they'll probably just get reprints of the white dwarf formations that released after the codex update.


I hope they get a little more than that, because those really weren't that good. I'm not counting on it though.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 11:39:04


Post by: jmswargaming


andrewm9 wrote:
jmswargaming wrote:
andrewm9 wrote:
 conker249 wrote:
After viewing the "leaked" picture of July's white dwarf Apoc sized war machines , Im going to assume their next step will be a mobile baneblade chassis carrying a huge statue of the emperor. Example being https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYURxfaTdpY


Sisters won't be getting anything for the Apocalypse release because GW doesn't support them in supplements. They haven't so far so why start now.


Actually, they'll probably just get reprints of the white dwarf formations that released after the codex update.


I hope they get a little more than that, because those really weren't that good. I'm not counting on it though.


Purge Squad is pretty good if you equip 'em right and take that one asset that lets you come off any table edge But anyway, I hope it's more than just a copy & paste, especially since the repentia one specifically removes Rage, which isn't bad any more.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 14:44:58


Post by: Necroagogo


I'd like to see a drop-church. It'd come down like a drop pod (maybe even with the drop pod assault rule), contain a squad of sisters and then become a fortification. Maybe acting as a faith point generator or an objective in its own right, as well as buffing the girls.

It could be ornamental as you'd like, with fold-down buttresses and a pop-up pulpit (containing some BBQ torrent flamer equivalent of the Aegis quad-gun?). Maybe one of those pipe-organ missiles too.

That'd be EPIC.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 15:16:11


Post by: Spetulhu


While not an epic unit... After facing CSM with that nice AP3 Torrent Template flamer thing I want one too. Asking for AP3 might be too much, but SoB should surely have something with Torrent - like the proposed anti-infantry version of the Exorcist, and maybe Retributors using the weapon instead of heavy flamers.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 17:57:41


Post by: conker249


 Necroagogo wrote:
I'd like to see a drop-church. It'd come down like a drop pod (maybe even with the drop pod assault rule), contain a squad of sisters and then become a fortification. Maybe acting as a faith point generator or an objective in its own right, as well as buffing the girls.

It could be ornamental as you'd like, with fold-down buttresses and a pop-up pulpit (containing some BBQ torrent flamer equivalent of the Aegis quad-gun?). Maybe one of those pipe-organ missiles too.

That'd be EPIC.

I'm loving this idea.


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 21:55:37


Post by: BoomWolf


Drop-church fortifications is probably the single most awesome idea I've heard for a 40k fan unit in a long time.

Having a 10 sister transport hold, some firing points, and AV12 all around, so it can be some sort of a thorn in the side of the enemy and require some heavy duty guns to deal with, this could be potent, fluffy, and amusing-all at once.

"We don't have drop pods...but we do have drop TOWERS"
"Did you just land a guard tower in the middle of my army?"
"FIRE THE RETRIBUTERS!""


What do you think Sisters of Battle would get for an epic unit? @ 2013/06/09 22:00:08


Post by: TheCustomLime


How about a Cathedral tank on the Land Raider chassis that fires a ton of torrent flamers? That would be cool.