For years I have been wishing for plastic Sisters of Battle kit to be released. Even heard some rumors back when the Witch Hunters codex came out that this was happening but it never did. Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.
Anyone heard anything about this? Will this ever happen? This is probably one of the most underplayed armies out there that has some of the most potential. I want a plastic army that can field 8,783,948,009 flamers for 2,000 pts without having to buy and build a the bloody IG army.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.
TGG has more selection than SoB has. Give it a month and TGG will have a LOT more selection. One version looks good on the table with DKoK allies or Steel Legion. All three factions look like they could contribute to a SoB "counts as" army.
GW dropped the ball on this and they've got nobody to blame but themselves.
Yea this should be moved over to the discussion section, that said only vets like sisters, let alone know about them. Seriously they didn't even have an army profile in the 6th Edition rule book that I could remember. Honestly GW probably feel they don't have the mass appeal other armies have and are phasing them out.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.
TGG has more selection than SoB has. Give it a month and TGG will have a LOT more selection. One version looks good on the table with DKoK allies or Steel Legion. All three factions look like they could contribute to a SoB "counts as" army.
GW dropped the ball on this and they've got nobody to blame but themselves.
Spartan089 wrote: Yea this should be moved over to the discussion section, that said only vets like sisters, let alone know about them. Seriously they didn't even have an army profile in the 6th Edition rule book that I could remember. Honestly GW probably feel they don't have the mass appeal other armies have and are phasing them out.
How do I move it?
Damn GW. They shot themselves in the foot. SoB have a ton of potential and would have a lot more appeal if they hadn't limited it. I honestly hope they don't decide to phase them out altogether.
N'Ferno wrote: Don't forget that Raging Heroes will also have a female Space Paladins army kickstarter going up sometime after TGG.
Watch GW hurry the release of the new SoB now that they see others encroaching on their turf heh.
If history has taught us anything it is that GW will not try to make itself more competitive. They will find something that they can sue them for and shut them down. Eh...have adopted the "Apple Model" of business.
On the other hand, one can hope that the prospect of competition motivates them.
Spartan089 wrote: Yea this should be moved over to the discussion section, that said only vets like sisters, let alone know about them. Seriously they didn't even have an army profile in the 6th Edition rule book that I could remember. Honestly GW probably feel they don't have the mass appeal other armies have and are phasing them out.
The problem is though the reason only vets know about them is because they get no airtime in WD which hobby newbs tend to read, no new models, their entire range is metal and direct only, as previously discussed they barely feature in rule books or other codices fluff. GW are doing the whole not watering a plant then complaining when it dies. Plastic sisters would sell without a doubt, I think the hype caused by the TGG kick starter supports this. However an entirely metal army is cost prohibitive, if I decided really badly that I needed some metal sisters I would go on ebay n get second hand ones, this is probably pretty common (in terms of people who don't mind whole metal armies anyway lol) so GW probably never see any sales for sisters.
Spartan089 wrote: Yea this should be moved over to the discussion section, that said only vets like sisters, let alone know about them. Seriously they didn't even have an army profile in the 6th Edition rule book that I could remember. Honestly GW probably feel they don't have the mass appeal other armies have and are phasing them out.
The problem is though the reason only vets know about them is because they get no airtime in WD which hobby newbs tend to read, no new models, their entire range is metal and direct only, as previously discussed they barely feature in rule books or other codices fluff. GW are doing the whole not watering a plant then complaining when it dies. Plastic sisters would sell without a doubt, I think the hype caused by the TGG kick starter supports this. However an entirely metal army is cost prohibitive, if I decided really badly that I needed some metal sisters I would go on ebay n get second hand ones, this is probably pretty common (in terms of people who don't mind whole metal armies anyway lol) so GW probably never see any sales for sisters.
Sad but true. I am currently building an inquisitor retinue just for the hell of it and went dug up a couple of old SoB models with meltas to use as Warrior Acolytes. The old models aren't bad but are next to impossible to chop or modify. If they would only take the same approach as they did with the Grey Knights. Now those went from good pewter models to some of the best plastic kits available.
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Yay its the biweekly where are the sisters thread!
Anyway, no one has confirmed that the plastic SoB models were made or how far along the project got. There were rumors the initial sculpts and or models made from them were unsatisfactory.
No one knows nor is there likely going to be any information about them forthcoming for many months, if ever.
Spartan089 wrote: Yea this should be moved over to the discussion section, that said only vets like sisters, let alone know about them. Seriously they didn't even have an army profile in the 6th Edition rule book that I could remember. Honestly GW probably feel they don't have the mass appeal other armies have and are phasing them out.
The problem is though the reason only vets know about them is because they get no airtime in WD which hobby newbs tend to read, no new models, their entire range is metal and direct only, as previously discussed they barely feature in rule books or other codices fluff. GW are doing the whole not watering a plant then complaining when it dies. Plastic sisters would sell without a doubt, I think the hype caused by the TGG kick starter supports this. However an entirely metal army is cost prohibitive, if I decided really badly that I needed some metal sisters I would go on ebay n get second hand ones, this is probably pretty common (in terms of people who don't mind whole metal armies anyway lol) so GW probably never see any sales for sisters.
They're not complaining when it dies, they're waiting eagerly for it to die so the y can throw it away and forget about it. When ever a thread like this comes about, it inevitably ends with gw dont care about SoB-because they dont. From my personal experience, not sure about everyone else, the current prices are too expensive for people to start a new army at square one, therefore they'll be aprehensive to Re-do SoB because pretty much everyone would have to start at square one.
JWhex wrote: Yay its the biweekly where are the sisters thread!
Anyway, no one has confirmed that the plastic SoB models were made or how far along the project got. There were rumors the initial sculpts and or models made from them were unsatisfactory.
No one knows nor is there likely going to be any information about them forthcoming for many months, if ever.
Spartan089 wrote: Yea this should be moved over to the discussion section, that said only vets like sisters, let alone know about them. Seriously they didn't even have an army profile in the 6th Edition rule book that I could remember. Honestly GW probably feel they don't have the mass appeal other armies have and are phasing them out.
The problem is though the reason only vets know about them is because they get no airtime in WD which hobby newbs tend to read, no new models, their entire range is metal and direct only, as previously discussed they barely feature in rule books or other codices fluff. GW are doing the whole not watering a plant then complaining when it dies. Plastic sisters would sell without a doubt, I think the hype caused by the TGG kick starter supports this. However an entirely metal army is cost prohibitive, if I decided really badly that I needed some metal sisters I would go on ebay n get second hand ones, this is probably pretty common (in terms of people who don't mind whole metal armies anyway lol) so GW probably never see any sales for sisters.
They're not complaining when it dies, they're waiting eagerly for it to die so the y can throw it away and forget about it. When ever a thread like this comes about, it inevitably ends with gw dont care about SoB-because they dont. From my personal experience, not sure about everyone else, the current prices are too expensive for people to start a new army at square one, therefore they'll be aprehensive to Re-do SoB because pretty much everyone would have to start at square one.
You bring a good point. It is a bummer that GW are slowly whittling away at those armies that aren't as popular simply because they don't make enough off of them. That and the increasing prices are just wrecking the hobby altogether. I've noticed fewer and fewer people in the hobby shops picking up GW products and, as a result, the shelves are pretty sparse too since the shops don't want to stock it as much.
Oh well, one can only hope for a revival.
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cybogoblin wrote: I'm pretty sure the plastic Sisters are in the same place as the Squats. Slowly digesting in the belly of the Tyranid hive mind.
Eh, I don't think they are that far gone, yet.
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MarsNZ wrote: Never understood all the Sisters hype. I was there when they came out in 2e, they added very little to the game even back then.
In the Witch Hunters codex they had some decent weapons options with a lot of room for improvement. I think the draw is the uniqueness of the army. I have only ever seen two people field a full 2000pt SoB army at local tournaments but they got a lot of attention from other players and even people who just happened to be walking by. Granted, one was painted hot pink and had radically modified Cadillac models that counted as rhinos for transports along with priests dressed like pimps driving them.
In the Witch Hunters codex they had some decent weapons options with a lot of room for improvement. I think the draw is the uniqueness of the army. I have only ever seen two people field a full 2000pt SoB army at local tournaments but they got a lot of attention from other players and even people who just happened to be walking by. Granted, one was painted hot pink and had radically modified Cadillac models that counted as rhinos for transports along with priests dressed like pimps driving them.
At least SoB aren't forgotten in the Black Library. There are few, but sisters had 2 books dedicated and 1 audiobook. One book I can't recommend enough is the "The Death of Antagonis": It has one of the coolest 40k chars I have seen in so much time, a canoness. Here's a quote from a review:
The Death of Antagonis also introduces one of the coolest 40K characters in a long, long time:
The Canoness Errant Setheno.
I am not (was not?) a huge Sisters of Battle fan per se. But holy! Setheno hits the pages of The Death of Antagonis with a bang and steals the limelight from everyone in the book, including the novel’s (eminently cool) main character Volos.
If someone from Black Library is reading this, chain David Annandale to his desk and have him write a Canoness Setheno novel. Or three! Do it now!
Setheno is one of my favourite characters from Black Library in a long time. She is just the kind of quirky, grim-dark being that can only really exist in Warhammer 40K. She would be comical elsewhere, but fits in 100% here.
My biggest hope is what happened to the DE. They weren't having much success, the minis were fugly, they were gonna be canned like the Squats, *BOOM*, new army, instant success!
In the Witch Hunters codex they had some decent weapons options with a lot of room for improvement. I think the draw is the uniqueness of the army. I have only ever seen two people field a full 2000pt SoB army at local tournaments but they got a lot of attention from other players and even people who just happened to be walking by. Granted, one was painted hot pink and had radically modified Cadillac models that counted as rhinos for transports along with priests dressed like pimps driving them.
At least SoB aren't forgotten in the Black Library. There are few, but sisters had 2 books dedicated and 1 audiobook. One book I can't recommend enough is the "The Death of Antagonis": It has one of the coolest 40k chars I have seen in so much time, a canoness. Here's a quote from a review:
The Death of Antagonis also introduces one of the coolest 40K characters in a long, long time:
The Canoness Errant Setheno.
I am not (was not?) a huge Sisters of Battle fan per se. But holy! Setheno hits the pages of The Death of Antagonis with a bang and steals the limelight from everyone in the book, including the novel’s (eminently cool) main character Volos.
If someone from Black Library is reading this, chain David Annandale to his desk and have him write a Canoness Setheno novel. Or three! Do it now!
Setheno is one of my favourite characters from Black Library in a long time. She is just the kind of quirky, grim-dark being that can only really exist in Warhammer 40K. She would be comical elsewhere, but fits in 100% here.
My biggest hope is what happened to the DE. They weren't having much success, the minis were fugly, they were gonna be canned like the Squats, *BOOM*, new army, instant success!
I will check it. The fluff of SoB have always been pretty badass and you are right, DE was about as bad as SoB are now and they were resurrected with some stunning models. I see them on the boards more than I see Eldar. Of course, this will change now that the new Eldar are out.
MarsNZ wrote: Never understood all the Sisters hype. I was there when they came out in 2e, they added very little to the game even back then.
It is the "Dead Has Been Star" effect.
When Elvis died it was his best career move in two decades. The squats became more popular after they were cancelled. People just like to complain about stuff they cant have as well. Then you also have the faction of forumites that are looking for ANY reason to complain about GW.
There are SoB fans though and they are very outspoken so what they dont have in numbers they have in persistence.
MarsNZ wrote: Never understood all the Sisters hype. I was there when they came out in 2e, they added very little to the game even back then.
It is the "Dead Has Been Star" effect.
When Elvis died it was his best career move in two decades. The squats became more popular after they were cancelled. People just like to complain about stuff they cant have as well. Then you also have the faction of forumites that are looking for ANY reason to complain about GW.
There are SoB fans though and they are very outspoken so what they dont have in numbers they have in persistence.
Or, you know, people geniunely like the army and would like it to get some more attention?
MarsNZ wrote: Never understood all the Sisters hype. I was there when they came out in 2e, they added very little to the game even back then.
It is the "Dead Has Been Star" effect.
When Elvis died it was his best career move in two decades. The squats became more popular after they were cancelled. People just like to complain about stuff they cant have as well. Then you also have the faction of forumites that are looking for ANY reason to complain about GW.
There are SoB fans though and they are very outspoken so what they dont have in numbers they have in persistence.
Or, you know, people geniunely like the army and would like it to get some more attention?
Or, you know, you could read the last sentence of the post you just quoted.
MarsNZ wrote: Never understood all the Sisters hype. I was there when they came out in 2e, they added very little to the game even back then.
It is the "Dead Has Been Star" effect.
When Elvis died it was his best career move in two decades. The squats became more popular after they were cancelled. People just like to complain about stuff they cant have as well. Then you also have the faction of forumites that are looking for ANY reason to complain about GW.
There are SoB fans though and they are very outspoken so what they dont have in numbers they have in persistence.
Or, you know, people geniunely like the army and would like it to get some more attention?
Or, you know, you could read the last sentence of the post you just quoted.
I was referring more to your second line, actually. You wrote off people complaining about the SoB as simply enjoying complaining. Unless you're a mind-reader, you can't state that as a fact.
SoB is "undesirable" not because they are "that girl army"* and we know (insecure) boys can't play girls; the game-police will come and remove their balls, forcibally, and I'm not talking about football; but it's a situation created by GW themselves, their "codex" is hard to find, if not impossible, can you imagine being a newbie to this hobby, looking up the GW site and going "hey, sisters of battle! I'd like an army of boobs!" then they look through the entire section failing to find the bloody codex so they can find out how to bloody run the army, so they look at DE and go "Ah, spikey boobs! My second favourite."(may or may not be personal account!); their models are outdated and who the hell wanna pay £40+ to build a single 10 sisters troop unit? Did I mention they're outdated ugly models as well? May be I should mention that twice! The army themselves, contrary to popular belief, do have their own unique playstyle, I'd say they're more unique than all the marine variants out there, but I'm a marine-hater, so I think I'm a bit biased on that!
But as some others have said, if GW doesn't want my money, I'll just take my business elsewhere.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Anyone here have an actually SoB army? If so, lets see some pics.
Army has increased in size. I really need to work on painting basics. First army painted so I have learned a lot since then. My wife has pink hair so I have my army with mostly pink hair.
I have an army as well, will post photos this weekend when I next play, hopefully.
Now that said, time for me to say the unpopular thing. But I need to be honest, if Raging Heroes is doing a SoB kind of army...I am dreading it.
I absolutely HATE their "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" series, pretty much without exception. Almost all of them are just grossly oversexualized to the point of being just gross and creepy to ever want or put on a table. Do SoB have some sexualized models (ie Repentia) sure, but the thought of RH doing a whole army in this style just makes me shudder.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Anyone here have an actually SoB army? If so, lets see some pics.
Army has increased in size. I really need to work on painting basics. First army painted so I have learned a lot since then. My wife has pink hair so I have my army with mostly pink hair.
Haha, oh wow, your colour scheme is quite similar to mine.
Red and grey/silver is a nice look.
curran12 wrote: I have an army as well, will post photos this weekend when I next play, hopefully.
Now that said, time for me to say the unpopular thing. But I need to be honest, if Raging Heroes is doing a SoB kind of army...I am dreading it.
I absolutely HATE their "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" series, pretty much without exception. Almost all of them are just grossly oversexualized to the point of being just gross and creepy to ever want or put on a table. Do SoB have some sexualized models (ie Repentia) sure, but the thought of RH doing a whole army in this style just makes me shudder.
Repentias are pretty much the only ones that're sexualised, though. And if and when GW gets around to redesigning them, they'd probably lose some of that. Case in point, the Daemonettes.
And yeah, I've never seen anybody do good Sisters knockoffs. Saw some buyable minis on /tg/ that came so damn close to being good alternatives to the GW models... but they had high heels.
gork and possibly mork wrote:They're not complaining when it dies, they're waiting eagerly for it to die so the y can throw it away and forget about it.
I could never quite follow this line of reasoning. If GW really wanted to get rid of them completely, they would not have:
- given them a new Codex, as crappy as it may be
- revamped their army page on the website
- granted them a full presentation in the 6E rulebook (considerably larger than in the 5E one)
- devoted a series (yes, series) of articles in newer issues of WD to them
Instead, they would have simply done ... nothing. But they did, hence this army is merely running on "pilot light", so to speak. Minimum effort, to keep things going. The SoB will never "die" this way, they just won't ever live up to their full potential either. It is merely a nigh-total lack of interest on part of the company. Nothing malicious, just ... neglect.
Which fits to the scuttlebutt about Andy Hoare having been the only one who liked and pushed them in the studio. With him gone, they just don't have the necessary support amongst the designers and are relegated to a weird status of stepchildren. They belong to the family and need to be fed at the table, but they won't ever get quite the same love as the other armies, all of whom I imagine have at least one or two core designers who like and maybe even actively play them.
Little hijack:
TheDraconicLord wrote:At least SoB aren't forgotten in the Black Library. There are few, but sisters had 2 books dedicated and 1 audiobook. One book I can't recommend enough is the "The Death of Antagonis": It has one of the coolest 40k chars I have seen in so much time, a canoness. Here's a quote from a review: [...]
Am I correct in assuming that "Canoness Errant" is a sort of title, like a Knight Errant? I know it's just another BL idea and not based on GW fluff at all, but I have to admit, I kind of like the idea, and envision it could be used as a honorary designation for a senior Sororitas Commander who either does not have a fixed convent and just travels around a lot, or has earned a writ to found a new convent, such as a Palatine taking a portion of an established convent's Sisters and embarking on a crusade with the intention of founding a daughter-house at the campaign's culmination.
I might adopt this into my own personal vision of the setting and something I'm occasionally writing on, so if you happen to have any information on how this novel treats that designation, it'd be most welcome as inspiration!
TheDraconicLord wrote:At least SoB aren't forgotten in the Black Library. There are few, but sisters had 2 books dedicated and 1 audiobook. One book I can't recommend enough is the "The Death of Antagonis": It has one of the coolest 40k chars I have seen in so much time, a canoness. Here's a quote from a review: [...]
Am I correct in assuming that "Canoness Errant" is a sort of title, like a Knight Errant? I know it's just another BL idea and not based on GW fluff at all, but I have to admit, I kind of like the idea, and envision it could be used as a honorary designation for a senior Sororitas Commander who either does not have a fixed convent and just travels around a lot, or has earned a writ to found a new convent, such as a Palatine taking a portion of an established convent's Sisters and embarking on a crusade with the intention of founding a daughter-house at the campaign's culmination.
I might adopt this into my own personal vision of the setting and something I'm occasionally writing on, so if you happen to have any information on how this novel treats that designation, it'd be most welcome as inspiration!
Yep, that's more or less what the Canoness errant does in that book. Basically, something happened to her Order and now she just roams around doing her own thing.
Troike wrote:Yep, that's more or less what the Canoness errant does in that book. Basically, something happened to her Order and now she just roams around doing her own thing.
Oh, so unlike a Knight Errant where it's a step before becoming a fully-fledged knight, it is something that happens after being a normal Canoness?
Hmmh, not sure I don't prefer my idea. But it is something to think about. I may end up trying a merger of both versions. Thanks for the explanation!
Repentias are pretty much the only ones that're sexualised, though. And if and when GW gets around to redesigning them, they'd probably lose some of that. Case in point, the Daemonettes.
And yeah, I've never seen anybody do good Sisters knockoffs. Saw some buyable minis on /tg/ that came so damn close to being good alternatives to the GW models... but they had high heels.
Is it some kind of Raging Heroes law that if they have a female model it must have one or more of the following:
1. Enormous breasts
2. Exposed midriff
3. Pose in such a way to show off crotch/ass
4. Skintight everything
I imagine their treatment of SoB is going to follow the same route. People complain about boob armor for Sisters, oooooh man they have not seen anything yet. Not sure how far they are going, but anyone want to put money on their Repentia and Penitent Engines being porn?
Breotan wrote:
GW dropped the ball on this and they've got nobody to blame but themselves.
It's a niche market that a small company can exploit to turn a small profit.
The thing is, GW is a large company, that already turns a larger profit selling other products. While they might be able to make money off a line of plastic Sisters, does that come at the cost at not being able to make something else that would be more profitable?
See, businesses don't operate in a vacuum. There's a limited amount of resources available at any given time, because every person working on plastic Sisters is somebody not working on a different project instead. And they still have salaries that have to be paid. Then you have to make the molds, and the packaging, etc. This all costs money and takes time.
GW obviously has, to this point, found better uses for their money and time than plastic Sisters. I mean, think about the reasoning you and others are using. How long did the Eldar army sit more or less ignored? You could have easily said "If they had made more plastic Aspect Warriors, they'd have made a ton of money off of the Eldar!". Well, they didn't, for whatever reason, for years. Which means the guys making the models and molds were busy doing something else and new Eldar were not a priority. Dark Eldar were treated similarly. Just not a priority. Probably lower sales numbers, and lower projected growth than other projects that were given a higher priority.
People will misunderstand what I'm saying here, I'm sure, because it always happens. I'm not against plastic Sisters. I'm actually fairly certain they'd sell a reasonable number of models. I just can't stand reading the misguided posts where people suggest that GW has not made Sisters because the GW team is stupid,and has no idea what they are doing.
Seriously though, GW don't appear to be in a position to take any risks right now, but if they change hands or sales rise considerably they might consider releasing some plastic sisters.
Repentia will probably be toned down. I love seeing other players with sisters of battle. If they happen to get plastic kits I will be happy. Until then I have grown fond of the metal minis. Well, more than FineCast....that's a different thread though.
Troike wrote:Yep, that's more or less what the Canoness errant does in that book. Basically, something happened to her Order and now she just roams around doing her own thing.
Oh, so unlike a Knight Errant where it's a step before becoming a fully-fledged knight, it is something that happens after being a normal Canoness?
The classical Knights Errant were sometimes knights in waiting, but the term itself has a broader meaning. The idea of wandering around to do knightly things is more important than the actual status of not yet being a knight.
I'd assume the Canoness-Errant is probably just a Canoness who wanders around doing Sistery stuff.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Anyone here have an actually SoB army? If so, lets see some pics.
No because I like to give an army my own theme and flavour. You can't really do it with metal cos its such a bitch to convert. I would start on plastic sisters in an instant though. I'm not the type of guy to splurge on an entire army on one Saturday release day though so GW aren't really interested in me.
I had a 1600 dollar 3k sisters army, 4k with all guard attached. It wrecked everything in the game by hardly trying. I have over 20 melta shots every turn at my disposal with a 185 point flak brick. 20 shots rending, hitting on 3's. I don't care if they expand the codex I will though take a decent flier to remove the need for guard in my lists though.
I only traded my sisters because a good friend offered me a one of a kind item in trade.
I was referring more to your second line, actually. You wrote off people complaining about the SoB as simply enjoying complaining. Unless you're a mind-reader, you can't state that as a fact.
I'd be interested in how the other side, the SoB fans who frequently claim there's a huge demand for SoB, know sthat there truly is a huge demand for said miniatures. Any data or reliable source.
Repentias are pretty much the only ones that're sexualised, though. And if and when GW gets around to redesigning them, they'd probably lose some of that. Case in point, the Daemonettes.
And yeah, I've never seen anybody do good Sisters knockoffs. Saw some buyable minis on /tg/ that came so damn close to being good alternatives to the GW models... but they had high heels.
Is it some kind of Raging Heroes law that if they have a female model it must have one or more of the following:
1. Enormous breasts
2. Exposed midriff
3. Pose in such a way to show off crotch/ass
4. Skintight everything
I imagine their treatment of SoB is going to follow the same route. People complain about boob armor for Sisters, oooooh man they have not seen anything yet. Not sure how far they are going, but anyone want to put money on their Repentia and Penitent Engines being porn?
To be fair, raging heroes deamonettes are what deamonettes are supposed to look like GW's "new" deamonettes are fugly beyond belief, and considering we are talking about "PORN FOR THE PORN GOD!" deamons, it kinda makes no sense. (2nd edition deamonettes were beautiful, tho.)
I also understand those 4 points for Dark Eldar and I really like most "toughest girls" but yeah, I hope it's a bit toned down for their SoB. I hope they look good and beautiful with good ol' boob armor, but without too much craziness... after all, it's my chance to have a SoB army
MarsNZ wrote: Never understood all the Sisters hype. I was there when they came out in 2e, they added very little to the game even back then.
It is the "Dead Has Been Star" effect.
When Elvis died it was his best career move in two decades. The squats became more popular after they were cancelled. People just like to complain about stuff they cant have as well. Then you also have the faction of forumites that are looking for ANY reason to complain about GW.
There are SoB fans though and they are very outspoken so what they dont have in numbers they have in persistence.
Also factually inaccurate, as the Squats sold better than some other armies of their era that did not get cancelled.
That said... I'm tired of waiting for GW. When the entire TGG line is done, they're going to become my 3K SOB army.
BunkerBob wrote: I had a 1600 dollar 3k sisters army, 4k with all guard attached. It wrecked everything in the game by hardly trying. I have over 20 melta shots every turn at my disposal with a 185 point flak brick. 20 shots rending, hitting on 3's. I don't care if they expand the codex I will though take a decent flier to remove the need for guard in my lists though.
I only traded my sisters because a good friend offered me a one of a kind item in trade.
See, this is my point. They have a lot of potential and great weapons options. They fall in the perfect niche between Space Marines and IG. They are a great option for those gamers that want an imperial army without having to buy and IG army and don't want to be Marines like 7 out of 10 other people.
gork and possibly mork wrote: They're not complaining when it dies, they're waiting eagerly for it to die so the y can throw it away and forget about it. When ever a thread like this comes about, it inevitably ends with gw dont care about SoB-because they dont. From my personal experience, not sure about everyone else, the current prices are too expensive for people to start a new army at square one, therefore they'll be aprehensive to Re-do SoB because pretty much everyone would have to start at square one.
If GW actually cared how much it cost to start a new army they wouldn't be in a continued pattern of constantly raising prices each year to make up for lower sales figures. Sales drop, prices rise to cover shortfalls in sales due to loss of volume, so sales drop again, and the prices rise again and so on and so on. Instead of doing things to increase sales they just keep raising prices to make the numbers look OK, even though when you look at the details behind the numbers it is clear that their sales just keep going down. GW wants people to buy full armies from square one because it results in more revenue for them.
These threads regularly end at the stupid conclusion that GW would invest time/money in them if people bought more of them. Of course this ignores the simple fact that if people don't like what is available now they aren't going to "suddenly" wake up and decide to buy a SoB army. If GW invests the time and money people *will* buy them. Tau were very rare and now with the new book and new models Tau sales are more than brisk. Sisters of Battle could see the same kind of resurgence, but they would need a serious overhaul and serious mini line upgrade for it to happen. If GW invest nothing into them, then they guarantee that their sales for SoB will never be worth much ever again.
curran12 wrote: I have an army as well, will post photos this weekend when I next play, hopefully.
Now that said, time for me to say the unpopular thing. But I need to be honest, if Raging Heroes is doing a SoB kind of army...I am dreading it.
I absolutely HATE their "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" series, pretty much without exception. Almost all of them are just grossly oversexualized to the point of being just gross and creepy to ever want or put on a table. Do SoB have some sexualized models (ie Repentia) sure, but the thought of RH doing a whole army in this style just makes me shudder.
This is a good point. Personally I wouldn't want to build a SoB army out of TGG models because they are so over the top. They remind me more of anime than table top gaming. If GW ever revamped the SoB, I would hope they wouldn't take the same course. The original models were pretty rad and they just need some tweaking. Again, my example of this is Grey Knights. Look it how they went from a limited line of metal models to some amazing plastic kits without completely changing the core design,
curran12 wrote: I have an army as well, will post photos this weekend when I next play, hopefully.
Now that said, time for me to say the unpopular thing. But I need to be honest, if Raging Heroes is doing a SoB kind of army...I am dreading it.
I absolutely HATE their "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" series, pretty much without exception. Almost all of them are just grossly oversexualized to the point of being just gross and creepy to ever want or put on a table. Do SoB have some sexualized models (ie Repentia) sure, but the thought of RH doing a whole army in this style just makes me shudder.
This is a good point. Personally I wouldn't want to build a SoB army out of TGG models because they are so over the top. They remind me more of anime than table top gaming. If GW ever revamped the SoB, I would hope they wouldn't take the same course. The original models were pretty rad and they just need some tweaking. Again, my example of this is Grey Knights. Look it how they went from a limited line of metal models to some amazing plastic kits without completely changing the core design,
I think that we're pretty safe from this. Repentia aside, GW treated the Sisters with respect. They al look like soldiers, not unrealistic for what they are at all. And if you're still worried about GW making the Sisters too "over the top", just look what happened to the Daemonettes...
I was referring more to your second line, actually. You wrote off people complaining about the SoB as simply enjoying complaining. Unless you're a mind-reader, you can't state that as a fact.
I'd be interested in how the other side, the SoB fans who frequently claim there's a huge demand for SoB, know sthat there truly is a huge demand for said miniatures. Any data or reliable source.
I can't give you any solid and objective data, and I doubt any source can. But what I can tell you is that I see demand for updated SoB every day when lurking 40K sites. Either SoB fans are one of the most vocal minorities ever, or there are quite a lot of people who actually want them.
With the new release schedule of a new codex every other month, it shouldn't take that long (2/3yrs?) for them to finish revising all the other armies. At that point you would assume SoB will finally be brought up to speed, in time for 7th Ed. If you're lucky they might get done before GK/Necrons who are already 6th Ed-ready...
Just my speculation though.
BunkerBob wrote: I had a 1600 dollar 3k sisters army, 4k with all guard attached. It wrecked everything in the game by hardly trying. I have over 20 melta shots every turn at my disposal with a 185 point flak brick. 20 shots rending, hitting on 3's. I don't care if they expand the codex I will though take a decent flier to remove the need for guard in my lists though.
I only traded my sisters because a good friend offered me a one of a kind item in trade.
That go me thinking of how much I have in that army,(I REALLY didnt want to) and the total is currently $1477, eye opener lol. they are just so much fun to play.
curran12 wrote: I have an army as well, will post photos this weekend when I next play, hopefully.
Now that said, time for me to say the unpopular thing. But I need to be honest, if Raging Heroes is doing a SoB kind of army...I am dreading it.
I absolutely HATE their "Toughest Girls in the Galaxy" series, pretty much without exception. Almost all of them are just grossly oversexualized to the point of being just gross and creepy to ever want or put on a table. Do SoB have some sexualized models (ie Repentia) sure, but the thought of RH doing a whole army in this style just makes me shudder.
This is a good point. Personally I wouldn't want to build a SoB army out of TGG models because they are so over the top. They remind me more of anime than table top gaming. If GW ever revamped the SoB, I would hope they wouldn't take the same course. The original models were pretty rad and they just need some tweaking. Again, my example of this is Grey Knights. Look it how they went from a limited line of metal models to some amazing plastic kits without completely changing the core design,
I think that we're pretty safe from this. Repentia aside, GW treated the Sisters with respect. They al look like soldiers, not unrealistic for what they are at all. And if you're still worried about GW making the Sisters too "over the top", just look what happened to the Daemonettes...
Actually, Repentia were toned down a great deal from their depictions in the illustrations. In the illustrations, they're basically nude, bald, raving crazy people with giant chainswords, and the only thing that covers the naughty bits is a scroll sewn to their chests.
ascended_mike wrote: We're all going to be eating our hats when they release them in time for christmas.
#pleasepleaseplease
Oh look. This one still has hope.
I used to have hope. : D
Then I came to Dakka. : (
This place, is like a black hole, sucker of hope. Hope cannot escape its black, slimey claws as it grabs every last bit of optimism and drags it back in.
WoW forums have just as much negativity as Dakka, but GW makes it real hard to go, ". . . You're crazy."
ascended_mike wrote: We're all going to be eating our hats when they release them in time for christmas.
#pleasepleaseplease
Oh look. This one still has hope.
I used to have hope. : D
Then I came to Dakka. : (
This place, is like a black hole, sucker of hope. Hope cannot escape its black, slimey claws as it grabs every last bit of optimism and drags it back in.
WoW forums have just as much negativity as Dakka, but GW makes it real hard to go, ". . . You're crazy."
Of course I still have hope. Someone has to. You negative bar stewards. No, honestly, I know how very bleak it is. Even if there is a 0.0000000001% chance they'll release some plastic sisters, I am holding on.
ascended_mike wrote: We're all going to be eating our hats when they release them in time for christmas.
#pleasepleaseplease
Oh look. This one still has hope.
I used to have hope. : D
Then I came to Dakka. : (
This place, is like a black hole, sucker of hope. Hope cannot escape its black, slimey claws as it grabs every last bit of optimism and drags it back in.
WoW forums have just as much negativity as Dakka, but GW makes it real hard to go, ". . . You're crazy."
Of course I still have hope. Someone has to. You negative bar stewards. No, honestly, I know how very bleak it is. Even if there is a 0.0000000001% chance they'll release some plastic sisters, I am holding on.
I used to think that way.
Then I kept expressing that optimism. People felt the need to beat it down.
I was also expecting GW to release the Sisters Codex as a PDF about 6 months after the WD came out.
ascended_mike wrote: We're all going to be eating our hats when they release them in time for christmas.
#pleasepleaseplease
Oh look. This one still has hope.
I used to have hope. : D
Then I came to Dakka. : (
This place, is like a black hole, sucker of hope. Hope cannot escape its black, slimey claws as it grabs every last bit of optimism and drags it back in.
WoW forums have just as much negativity as Dakka, but GW makes it real hard to go, ". . . You're crazy."
Of course I still have hope. Someone has to. You negative bar stewards. No, honestly, I know how very bleak it is. Even if there is a 0.0000000001% chance they'll release some plastic sisters, I am holding on.
I used to think that way.
Then I kept expressing that optimism. People felt the need to beat it down.
I was also expecting GW to release the Sisters Codex as a PDF about 6 months after the WD came out.
Anyways, yay hope!
Lost my hope in GW's
I now deposit all my hope in Raging Heroes *points to sig*. GIFE ME YOUR SOB, RAGING HEROES! I NEED THEM! NOW!
ascended_mike wrote: We're all going to be eating our hats when they release them in time for christmas.
#pleasepleaseplease
Oh look. This one still has hope.
I used to have hope. : D
Then I came to Dakka. : (
This place, is like a black hole, sucker of hope. Hope cannot escape its black, slimey claws as it grabs every last bit of optimism and drags it back in.
WoW forums have just as much negativity as Dakka, but GW makes it real hard to go, ". . . You're crazy."
Of course I still have hope. Someone has to. You negative bar stewards. No, honestly, I know how very bleak it is. Even if there is a 0.0000000001% chance they'll release some plastic sisters, I am holding on.
I used to think that way.
Then I kept expressing that optimism. People felt the need to beat it down.
I was also expecting GW to release the Sisters Codex as a PDF about 6 months after the WD came out.
Anyways, yay hope!
Lost my hope in GW's
I now deposit all my hope in Raging Heroes *points to sig*. GIFE ME YOUR SOB, RAGING HEROES! I NEED THEM! NOW!
There are one or two models raging heroes do, that i'd love to include in a SoB army.. But not build an entire army from.
I now deposit all my hope in Raging Heroes *points to sig*. GIFE ME YOUR SOB, RAGING HEROES! I NEED THEM! NOW!
I already have my army of Sororitas.
But I was lucky. I picked up the bulk of my Battle Sisters when those boxes of 10 were still being sold for 50 bucks each.
Also picked up some Repentia and Seraphim that way.
Later, I fleshed out my collection with more special/heavy weapons, Superiors, even some Simulacrums - one design of which is now being sold by GW as a "Blessed Banner" bearer.
Personally, I took a banner from a Bretonnian Knights kit I had lying around for another conversion (Scout Bikers with lances!) which I have yet to do, snipped off the top of one of the Simulacrums, and stuck it on. My second attempt at pinning (my first was a Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun. It did not go well) went decently, apart from when I drilled through the wall of the banner pole while making room for a toothpick. Managed to do a half-assed job of fixing it with superglue, liquid green stuff, and a Predator tank.
ascended_mike wrote: We're all going to be eating our hats when they release them in time for christmas.
#pleasepleaseplease
Oh look. This one still has hope.
I used to have hope. : D
Then I came to Dakka. : (
This place, is like a black hole, sucker of hope. Hope cannot escape its black, slimey claws as it grabs every last bit of optimism and drags it back in.
WoW forums have just as much negativity as Dakka, but GW makes it real hard to go, ". . . You're crazy."
Of course I still have hope. Someone has to. You negative bar stewards. No, honestly, I know how very bleak it is. Even if there is a 0.0000000001% chance they'll release some plastic sisters, I am holding on.
I used to think that way.
Then I kept expressing that optimism. People felt the need to beat it down.
I was also expecting GW to release the Sisters Codex as a PDF about 6 months after the WD came out.
Anyways, yay hope!
It's okay to have hope. I don't think that we'll get anything this year, but I'm pretty sure that we'll get something sooner or later.
If nothing else, just rememeber that people who say "Sisters will never be updated" aren't GW employees. The only solid, verifiable fact that we have is that we don't have any solid, verifiable confirmations! But we do know that they've be given continued support and not simply squatted, and that other armies have been in similar positions but GW has redone them and made them into strong sellers. These facts do imply that we've not been forgotten and that we'll likely get something eventually.
Heh Pouncey your conversions are pretty good stuff as I recall. I swear I saw images somewhere at some point.
The only reason I have all the Sisters I do is I caught an extremely good deal on the bulk of my army, and picked up the rest through another good deal and a little ebay buying.
It's okay to have hope. I don't think that we'll get anything this year, but I'm pretty sure that we'll get something sooner or later.
If nothing else, just rememeber that people who say "Sisters will never be updated" aren't GW employees. The only solid, verifiable fact that we have is that we don't have any solid, verifiable confirmations! But we do know that they've be given continued support and not simply squatted, and that other armies have been in similar positions but GW has redone them and made them into strong sellers. These facts do imply that we've not been forgotten and that we'll likely get something eventually.
I certainly hope so.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Heh Pouncey your conversions are pretty good stuff as I recall. I swear I saw images somewhere at some point.
The only reason I have all the Sisters I do is I caught an extremely good deal on the bulk of my army, and picked up the rest through another good deal and a little ebay buying.
You probably saw my conversions either when I linked them on my photobucket, or when I linked my Celestine conversion from my FurAffinity page.
(It's a furry site, but it's thankfully one of those where you have to be logged in and have your site settings set right, in order to show anything pornographic that hasn't been mis-labeled with a G rating (the user who uploads it sets the rating))
(And the name Andreyis has to do with a chapter of my life which wasn't particularly fun, due to mental illness)
I bought most of my Sororitas straight from my local GW, at least the stuff I didn't have to direct order from the website. Though one unfortunate model I purchased from my FLGS which I later mutilated in an ill-conceived attempt to create a Kerrigan miniature after playing Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty twice through in the same night. That model was unfortunate, because it was an OOP Canoness with a combi-flamer and holy icon.
It's okay to have hope. I don't think that we'll get anything this year, but I'm pretty sure that we'll get something sooner or later.
If nothing else, just rememeber that people who say "Sisters will never be updated" aren't GW employees. The only solid, verifiable fact that we have is that we don't have any solid, verifiable confirmations! But we do know that they've be given continued support and not simply squatted, and that other armies have been in similar positions but GW has redone them and made them into strong sellers. These facts do imply that we've not been forgotten and that we'll likely get something eventually.
I certainly hope so.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Heh Pouncey your conversions are pretty good stuff as I recall. I swear I saw images somewhere at some point.
The only reason I have all the Sisters I do is I caught an extremely good deal on the bulk of my army, and picked up the rest through another good deal and a little ebay buying.
You probably saw my conversions either when I linked them on my photobucket, or when I linked my Celestine conversion from my FurAffinity page.
(It's a furry site, but it's thankfully one of those where you have to be logged in and have your site settings set right, in order to show anything pornographic that hasn't been mis-labeled with a G rating (the user who uploads it sets the rating))
(And the name Andreyis has to do with a chapter of my life which wasn't particularly fun, due to mental illness)
I bought most of my Sororitas straight from my local GW, at least the stuff I didn't have to direct order from the website. Though one unfortunate model I purchased from my FLGS which I later mutilated in an ill-conceived attempt to create a Kerrigan miniature after playing Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty twice through in the same night. That model was unfortunate, because it was an OOP Canoness with a combi-flamer and holy icon.
ascended_mike wrote: There are one or two models raging heroes do, that i'd love to include in a SoB army.. But not build an entire army from.
The thing is they will launch another kickstarter, one dedicated to SoB. I don't recall the exact name, they were named Paladins of something. Let me try to find that info.
Edit: Here ya go!
The Sisters of Eternal Mercy If you happen to have thoroughly combed through the Raging Heroes' blog, you might remember The Orphanage of the Sisters of Eternal Mercy, a very early project of ours.
Well, the Sisters are about to see the light. We've been working on a futuristic Paladin Sisterhood army for quite some time now and we have a lot of stuff tucked away for this.
We're not releasing anything yet, to avoid confusion with the first Kickstarter project described above. However, we would very much like to get your input on this project, so don't hesitate to write us with your suggestions. (Again, a forum will soon be set up to help with these interactions). This project is likely to become another Kickstarter.
ascended_mike wrote: There are one or two models raging heroes do, that i'd love to include in a SoB army.. But not build an entire army from.
The thing is they will launch another kickstarter, one dedicated to SoB. I don't recall the exact name, they were named Paladins of something. Let me try to find that info.
Edit: Here ya go!
The Sisters of Eternal Mercy
If you happen to have thoroughly combed through the Raging Heroes' blog, you might remember The Orphanage of the Sisters of Eternal Mercy, a very early project of ours.
Well, the Sisters are about to see the light. We've been working on a futuristic Paladin Sisterhood army for quite some time now and we have a lot of stuff tucked away for this.
We're not releasing anything yet, to avoid confusion with the first Kickstarter project described above. However, we would very much like to get your input on this project, so don't hesitate to write us with your suggestions.
(Again, a forum will soon be set up to help with these interactions).
This project is likely to become another Kickstarter.
Even at a probable 5 dollars per model for a squad (Some of their other squads are priced at around 40 euros for 10, which translates to over 50 Canadian dollars), it's still cheaper than Sisters are currently.
And they're still metal or resin, so that won't help with my plans for scaly and furry Sororitas.
They'd certainly be a lot nicer. Time will tell if they're worth replacing the Sisters I currently have.
Time and sleep. I have not gotten any sleep last night.
Like they said, it was one of their earlist projects but it never took off. It will be one of their 3 Kickstarters. The first was the TGG. I don't recall which will be next, but I think it will be the Dark Elves one. Then and only then, the Sisters, IIRC.
I hope it's like that, because I need some time to recover after the TGG so I can throw money at their face once the Sisters KS is up
Like they said, it was one of their earlist projects but it never took off. It will be one of their 3 Kickstarters. The first was the TGG. I don't recall which will be next, but I think it will be the Dark Elves one. Then and only then, the Sisters, IIRC.
I hope it's like that, because I need some time to recover after the TGG so I can throw money at their face once the Sisters KS is up
I'd certainly look into buying a boat load of these for my sisters army. Especially if I hear nothing about GW releasing some.
And if they DO, good, I'll get some of those too.
Win/Win surely?
Pouncey wrote: And they're still metal or resin, so that won't help with my plans for scaly and furry Sororitas.
Heh, interesting. Do they have a backstory? The Sororitas answer the the Space Wolves, perhaps?
Their homeworld is basically Warcraft's Azeroth in a distant future where it's been rediscovered by the Imperium after being lost during the Horus Heresy. The locals, now being highly rich in species diversity (WoW species, furries of all sorts, and probably tons of other stuff), somehow were NOT cleansed of all non-humans (probably the humans too given how long they've been tainted by such weird creatures) and the Imperium was basically welcomed with open arms. The Imperium brought their usual stuff, blah blah blah, Chaos invasion, blah blah blah, random dangerous native psyker somehow converting Chaos Space Marines away from their gods, Sororitas sent in to investigate/apprehend, then those Sisters basically got injected with gas-released nannites which broke down their Imperial brainwashing by turning their minds against each other. They fake their own deaths since they know how the Imperium would deal with such a thing, join with the psyker, help him fight off the Chaos raid or whatever, and eventually after some conflict with the local Imperial forces, everything returns to normal. Sorta.
Then the natives learn about the Black Ships and their purpose, and, well, being rich in psykers, fear the worst. So they plan in secret for a couple of decades, during which time it becomes clear that some of those "unbrainwashed" Sororitas are not so unbrainwashed, which becomes apparent during attempts on the life of their new host psyker guy. Time goes on, as the native engineers install Star Trek style FTL drives into the planet itself when it becomes clear that they can't really withstand the Imperium's wrath for disobedience. They also get a solution for sunlight, basically a giant sunlamp on a rail that goes around the planet, and around the time everything becomes clear to a local Inquisitor, they kick every Imperial loyalist off the planet, as by that point they have orbital defence guns and their own small spacefleet, then kick off into the galaxy to go find every one of their people that was tithed to the Imperium. At some point, a group of Imperial saboteurs launch devastating attacks on key production facilities and leadership. The psyker who took the Sororitas in gets sucked into a Vortex grenade that one such loyalist held behind his back while hugging him after another saboteur tried a more conventional approach with a vortex grenade and failed. He came back, gods only know from where, months later. In that time, the remaining Sororitas had set up an orphanage, teaching their faith in the God-Emperor, and replenishing their numbers with the most gifted, though they did allow a great deal of freedom for the orphans to choose their own paths in life.
The entire thing is based almost entirely on a long-standing series of roleplays I've been doing with a friend going back about six and a half years now.
Also, is it bad that I typed ALL of that from memory?
Oh, and more detailed versions are in the text submissions on my FA gallery. They all have dark grey icons with the white text saying "Story" There's four of them: The History of Priscus III, Sisters of the Flame, Sisters of the Flame Fluff: The Awakening, and Battle-Saint Valeria.
The first is about the background of the planet. The second is about the small Order of Battle Sisters that now resides there. The third is a small, more detailed story about how they got their Imperial indoctrination broken. And the last is about my not-Celestine.
Pouncey wrote: And they're still metal or resin, so that won't help with my plans for scaly and furry Sororitas.
Heh, interesting. Do they have a backstory? The Sororitas answer the the Space Wolves, perhaps?
Also, is it bad that I typed ALL of that from memory?
No, My mind is filled with similar length stories that I could never actually get down to writing.
:: nods :: That was really the summary rather than the actual writings, but it's good to know I'm not alone with my good memory for useless information. : D
Pouncey, I want to deem you a furetic and call for your burning at the stake and what not, but you articulate well enough I can't hold it against you XD
Pouncey wrote: And they're still metal or resin, so that won't help with my plans for scaly and furry Sororitas.
Heh, interesting. Do they have a backstory? The Sororitas answer the the Space Wolves, perhaps?
Also, is it bad that I typed ALL of that from memory?
No, My mind is filled with similar length stories that I could never actually get down to writing.
:: nods :: That was really the summary rather than the actual writings, but it's good to know I'm not alone with my good memory for useless information. : D
I could tell you the entire story of my orc warlock's travel through azeroth from beginning to end. Vanilla to Pandaria. It'd be a tale longer than the bible and so badly written you'd want to cry after the first paragraph.
So I just tell it to myself in my mind.
Does that make us crazy?
Oh well. Anyway, let's steer back on topic.
If I don't get any sisters this year I'm gonna give in and buy some Tau.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Pouncey, I want to deem you a furetic and call for your burning at the stake and what not, but you articulate well enough I can't hold it against you XD
And to think, this is AFTER I stayed up all night grinding AV to get my druid up to 90 while listening to The Price of a Mile over, and over, and over.
IT WAS AMAZING!
It's okay, though. This one person once suggested I be interred in a Penitent Engine for being optimistic that even if they squatted Sisters, I could use em as Space Marine counts-as. : D
Pouncey wrote: And they're still metal or resin, so that won't help with my plans for scaly and furry Sororitas.
Heh, interesting. Do they have a backstory? The Sororitas answer the the Space Wolves, perhaps?
Also, is it bad that I typed ALL of that from memory?
No, My mind is filled with similar length stories that I could never actually get down to writing.
:: nods :: That was really the summary rather than the actual writings, but it's good to know I'm not alone with my good memory for useless information. : D
I could tell you the entire story of my orc warlock's travel through azeroth from beginning to end. Vanilla to Pandaria. It'd be a tale longer than the bible and so badly written you'd want to cry after the first paragraph.
So I just tell it to myself in my mind.
Does that make us crazy?
Oh well. Anyway, let's steer back on topic.
If I don't get any sisters this year I'm gonna give in and buy some Tau.
I used to be crazy, colloquially speaking.
Then I told my parents why I was refusing to go to school. Now I have meds. Meds which I should take now since I didn't take em last night since I take em at bedtime because they make it naptime.
Might not be TDA (it totally is), she might be... you know.... her name before taking vows was Olga Kurshcevok (or something)... she did a lot of laundry. She's a... stout girl.
TheDraconicLord wrote: Wait, wait, wait, Pouncey, you actually managed to combine Sisters of Battle, Azeroth and "Furries"?
Your madness is the best kind of madness Marry me
I'm going to suck all the fun out of your post! : D
My madness is actually <description of former symptoms which I don't feel like typing>
Sufficed to say, my dad was NOT trying to kill me, my meds were just too low at the time. ^^
But thanks for the offer! : D And yes, I like my fictional world too. ^^
:: hugs ::
Also, I just took my meds - about 12 hours late, but meh - so it'll be naptime pretty soon.
Also, when I was leveling my druid early this morning / late last night, I was like, "You know, The Price of a Mile would totes be appropriate for this BG." So I put it on on Youtube.
That was over 13 hours ago. AND I'M STILL LISTENING TOIT! OVER AND OVER!!!!
TheDraconicLord wrote: Wait, wait, wait, Pouncey, you actually managed to combine Sisters of Battle, Azeroth and "Furries"?
Your madness is the best kind of madness Marry me
I'm going to suck all the fun out of your post! : D
My madness is actually <description of former symptoms which I don't feel like typing>
Sufficed to say, my dad was NOT trying to kill me, my meds were just too low at the time. ^^
But thanks for the offer! : D And yes, I like my fictional world too. ^^
:: hugs ::
Also, I just took my meds - about 12 hours late, but meh - so it'll be naptime pretty soon.
Also, when I was leveling my druid early this morning / late last night, I was like, "You know, The Price of a Mile would totes be appropriate for this BG." So I put it on on Youtube.
That was over 13 hours ago. AND I'M STILL LISTENING TOIT! OVER AND OVER!!!!
That... can only make it worse, That just can't be good for anyone
They're in the fantasy land of everyone but GW, who doesn't seem to have any idea how to actually do it (which goes to show how little creativity they have).
Melissia wrote: They're in the fantasy land of everyone but GW, who doesn't seem to have any idea how to actually do it (which goes to show how little creativity they have).
I wouldn't say that GW lacks creativity. They have managed to forge an amazing SciFi universe and create a fun and fascinating game to go along with it. However, I believe that they have lost their way and are focusing on the business aspect of it and not the hobby, as a result, I'm sure they have lost some of their more creative individuals as of late.
Melissia wrote: They're in the fantasy land of everyone but GW, who doesn't seem to have any idea how to actually do it (which goes to show how little creativity they have).
I wouldn't say that GW lacks creativity.
I would.
Isn't their new thing to just make big versions of everything else and double the price?
And yet, they're somehow having problems adding in new Sisters units and concepts, which really isn't all that hard to do.
My theory is that they might be keeping that stuff under wraps so that they can do a huge, hyped-up model/codex update at some point down the line.
The rumors I've heard is that htey continually have problems with the molds for Sisters (and they actually broke one of the mold-making machines...) and with the creative process regarding adding in new units for them (like figuring out a FA slot that isn't bikes or a dominions variant).
How accurate they are I can't say. But it would leave me completely without surprise.
I'm stumped about what we could get for heavy. It's not like Exorcists and HB Rets are exactly pushovers (I've seen quite a few funny stories where an opponent was literally so terrified of the Exorcists that they hardly shot at anything else). Maybe something like the cathedral tank idea that was discussed in that other thread?
What we really need more units in is troops. Zealot mobs (tarpits) and Novice squads (maybe similar to SM scouts) would be so damn perfect for this.
Well they do have to spend alot of time making more and more terrible looking Marine flyers and retconing them in to the fluff with a huge crowbar rather than making stuff thats actually different and interesting and if TGG is any indicator - will sell well.
If it is is mould problems - then thats annoying...........at least they are rattling through the Codexes so hopefully they will come to the Sisters soon............
It pretty easy to add new options:
Zealot models - TR
Novices - TR
Big Baneblade Cathedrals - HS Imperial Agents such as Inquisitors -EL Support units such as the Sisters who maintain the vehicles etc - EL
Hell just a codex revamp of the standard Sister squads to make them a bit more... well... useful would be nice. Novices would be pretty cool and zealots could be fun too.
Mold problems seem doubtful to me only because I have heard this story so many times over many years. The first "broken mold" story I remember goes all the way back to when the first version of the Land Raider was no longer available and has popped up in fantasy and 40k rumors many times over the years.
If one or more companies start making SoB models this may not be a great thing for the army because GW may decide they cant defend the model's IP. It could give them another excuse not to upgrade the range.
I think if they want to find excuses they will - plenty of companies already making figures as GW stand-ins - especially in Fantasy - and for all the main armies...........
I don't think it's about excuses. The rate they are throwing out codices, I can honestly see them revamping every codex this time around. Sisters included.
ascended_mike wrote: I don't think it's about excuses. The rate they are throwing out codices, I can honestly see them revamping every codex this time around. Sisters included.
Well codices are relatively easy to produce since they obviously are not concerned about play testing, coming up with an entire new range of miniatures is a bit of an obstacle. Much like your girlfriend's dad it is going to prevent you from getting what you want.
ascended_mike wrote: I don't think it's about excuses. The rate they are throwing out codices, I can honestly see them revamping every codex this time around. Sisters included.
Well codices are relatively easy to produce since they obviously are not concerned about play testing, coming up with an entire new range of miniatures is a bit of an obstacle. Much like your girlfriend's dad it is going to prevent you from getting what you want.
My fiancee's father is dead.
I did edit my post with regards to the miniatures. I understand that is the underlying issue. But not one person can tell me they will not make the new models. We'll just have to wait and see.
To all those who fall into depression and begin to doubt if there ever will be a proper remake of the sisters.
Just remember, up until 6th edition was out, the Tau were also said to be on their way out.
Then we saw the huge attention they gave them in the BRB and got our hopes up, and then it really came-and it was glorious!
And look now, just how much attention SoB get in WD.
Maybe I'm an optemistic fool, but it seems like they are stirring up interest in them, in preparation for a new release.
(also, I've heard some time ago that there ARE boxes for "SoB tactical", seraphs, dominions and retributers as well as a finecasted celectin already made and just waiting in storage. though that one I find fishy.)
Sorry, but I think the answer is somewhere between "not for years" and "never." They are barely acknowledged at the best of times, and you who play them have already been fobbed off with a WD Codex.
I don't mean that to sound dismissive, by the way. I think it's a shame that a unique army is ignored. I'd like to be wrong, but I'm not optimistic.
BoomWolf wrote: And look now, just how much attention SoB get in WD.
What sort of attention are they getting? Haven't read WD for a while.
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Fezman wrote: and you who play them have already been fobbed off with a WD Codex.
WD Codexes are supposed to be stop-gaps for a real codex, though. And the Blood Angels had one for three years.
As to why GW hasn't released the SoBWD codex online, I have no real clue. I have two vague ideas, though. 1: GW is working on a new codex for them and doesn't want to bother with the WD 'dex. Or, 2: GW is incompetent.
Also, some interesting news on the WD 'dex. My local GW manager recently told me that customer services told him to tell people wanting the SoB codex to simply download a PDF off the internet. Make of that what you will.
WD Codexes are supposed to be stop-gaps for a real codex, though. And the Blood Angels had one for three years.
As to why GW hasn't released the SoBWD codex, I have no real clue. I have two vague ideas, though. 1: GW is working on a new codex for them and doesn't want to bother with the WD 'dex. Or, 2: GW is incompetent.
Also, some interesting news on the WD 'dex. My local GW manager recently told me that customer services told him to tell people wanting the SoB codex to simply download a PDF off the internet. Make of that what you will.
Yes, that is something to feel optimistic about. And I'm sure if they got a release with a proper Codex and nice new plastics they'd bring in plenty of money. GW underestimated demand for Tau, after all. All they'd need to do was include good rules, good kits and a suitable amount of hype online (which rumour sites would pretty well take care of for them) and in WD.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Forget FA, how about a HS slot eh? Seraphims and Doms have us set for FA for now, but some AV14 or hell even AV13 fire support would be nice.
Mr Morden wrote: Although interestingly they appear in a good number of recent Black Library novels so the authors have not been told to ignore them Squat style.
Don't think that authors can be ordered to do that, since Abnett had a Squat pilot in one of his books, apparently.
But yes, you are correct. Canoness Errant Setheno pretty much stole the spotlight in The Death of Antagonis with her badass exploits.
If one was to believe the rumours that came out around 2 years ago about GW have problems getting robes done well in plastic and that was hindering the SoB plastic release. I think it was suggested that the work done on the Dark Eldar release had been crucial to the implementation of this kind of work. Hopefully this is true and that they'd be just around the corner.
I'd really hoped that the SoB codex would have been released sooner rather than later, especially with the more Chaotic/Xenos releases we've had recently.
In my ideal world the 40k setting would become more focused on the Imperium fighting Chaos, other Xenos races would still be there but the focus would be put back on to a gothic/holy war vibe.
Medium of Death wrote: If one was to believe the rumours that came out around 2 years ago about GW have problems getting robes done well in plastic and that was hindering the SoB plastic release. I think it was suggested that the work done on the Dark Eldar release had been crucial to the implementation of this kind of work. Hopefully this is true and that they'd be just around the corner.
I'd really hoped that the SoB codex would have been released sooner rather than later, especially with the more Chaotic/Xenos releases we've had recently.
In my ideal world the 40k setting would become more focused on the Imperium fighting Chaos, other Xenos races would still be there but the focus would be put back on to a gothic/holy war vibe.
Seeing the level of detail they can do with Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Grey Knights I don't see how it would be that difficult for them to get it down.
As for fighting Chaos, it seems like they put a ton of emphesis on that around the time Eye of Terror was released. I think people got a bit burned out on it but it would be good to get back to it. Something like a crusade to purge chaos.
(un)Holy War between the Ecclesiarchy and the Word Bearers would be a great setting for a campaign or even as a side step in the fluff to Abaddon's crusades.
I guess they would rather just see GW produce different variant chpater so Marines with increasingly stupid vechicles and unit types until the Guard become redundant and the Xenos are all extreminated........
The usual arguments mustered are:
No one wants female minis - yeah thats accurate - see Raging Heroes - having real trouble selling them......
They are not popular - nor were Dark Eldar or Necrons and then they got new codexes
Oh and they are not Marines
Sad really - especially when GW continues to have them taking major roles in BL novels and they still apear in codex stories - even if they usually get killed.
Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.
Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.
The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why
I'd say it's partly because the love for them is so strong.
But apart from that, some people just have a different opinion and happen to share their opinion. It's to be expected of people, especially over the internet.
Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.
Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.
The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why
Me neither. People seem to have massive grudges with GW too.. yet they are still buying the miniatures and playing the game. *shrug*
We are mad a GW for the price increases and for, what we feel, moving away from the game's roots but we are addicted so we keep buying it. The game is like crack so we are addicted. Little plastic pieces of crack.
Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.
Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.
The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why
The hate isn't directed at SoBs. It's directed at the people who constantly ask this same question... again... and again...
We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?
Perhaps a sister with a bolter pointed slightly higher than the rest? Maybe a totally awesome new sister model with a flamer! Oh wait....
They have perfectly fine models. If anything people should whine that GW should lower the cost of the models.
Look at GWs marketing strategy. If you think sisters are bad now waittill they do get plastics. 5 plastic sisters for $700.
Comparing other model lines to defend that customers want more female models doesn't really make sense.
Raging Heroes, Kingdom Death and such... Those are sexy little half naked things. With like at least 50% of gamers being creepy male virgins of course naked women will sell.
Sisters of battle are one of the only all female model collections out there that have some sort of respect for women...
Oh wait... Repentia... Okay so they used to be.
New sisters would end up being Slaanesh-lite with a whole bunch of dominatrix and lesbian jokes all over the place.
Yeah, actually, we *do* need new models. As it stands, building a SOB army is an investiture of money that exceeds the average cost of a comparable MEQ army, because we're buying 3 metal figs for what other armies are paying for a box of 10 plastics.
3 models. $15 US. It's 3 Repentia. $13.25 if you want the Mistress character to act as the Squad Leader, for a unit numbering 4 to 19 models (so for a basic, minimum squad of 4, you're spending $30+ bucks... and 4 assault troops who fight nearly-naked aren't doing much in today's 40K).
The rest of the army? It's a collection of single model packs, averaging $13US per. You expect someone to build a 2K point army out of that?
I think you completely missed the point I was making.
I won't bother trying to explain it because I would literally be retyping the exact same thing.
But to clearify:
People don't need new sisters models. They want them.
I addressed the price issue.
You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?
Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).
Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.
Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.
DeffDred wrote: People don't need new sisters models. They want them.
I addressed the price issue.
You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?
Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).
Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.
Except that people don't need any 40k. They want it. Silly argument. Of course, no one needs new sisters of battle. Short of food, water and air, they don't really NEED anything.
Yes, GW COULD make Sisters 3 for $28. It is unlikely. More likely is that they make them 10 for 40 (Like Tacticals) or 5 for 33 (Like Grey Knights). Either way we win because we either get more for less or get more bits.
And there are plenty of instances where new models (plastic from metal) got cheaper. This isn't a 'let's complain about GW's prices' thread though.
Lastly, if your whole post was just to make a joke then just respond with 'that's the joke' and save us a lot of time.
DeffDred wrote: People don't need new sisters models. They want them.
I addressed the price issue.
You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?
Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).
Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.
Except that people don't need any 40k. They want it. Silly argument. Of course, no one needs new sisters of battle. Short of food, water and air, they don't really NEED anything.
Yes, GW COULD make Sisters 3 for $28. It is unlikely. More likely is that they make them 10 for 40 (Like Tacticals) or 5 for 33 (Like Grey Knights). Either way we win because we either get more for less or get more bits.
And there are plenty of instances where new models (plastic from metal) got cheaper. This isn't a 'let's complain about GW's prices' thread though.
Lastly, if your whole post was just to make a joke then just respond with 'that's the joke' and save us a lot of time.
There was only a joke or two. What bitz would you expect? There aren't many options.
I imagine that sister in plastic would be a single body with attachable arms and heads. Perhaps a set of helmeted and unhelmeted.
I think they'd actually be very similar to the Warriors of Chaos models.
I also don't think GW could pull it off. They have a pretty bad record of female models. However if Diaz was around and sculpting them based on Jes Goodwins designs they'd look great.
I had 2000 points of sisters for a single day and hated them with a passion (there is a hysterical story of violence, cursing and assault involved that day).
Sold them to a friend on the super-cheap.
Side note: Which kits got cheaper from metal to plastic? I know that the Orks are most famous for it.
Any others you can point out? I'm not being a wiseguy. I'm actually curious. It comes up alot in convos with my friends.
DeffDred wrote: What bitz would you expect? There aren't many options.
I imagine it would have to do with the codex, but even right now you could have a 5 man sisters squad with heavy and specials, along with sgt upgrades. Very similar to the grey knight box set. Even throw in Seraphim bits if you were feeling saucy, although that would be better for a different box.
The hate isn't directed at SoBs. It's directed at the people who constantly ask this same question... again... and again...
We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?
Why not? - why do we need any new models of any kind - your "argument" is so poor its untrue I assume everyone should be happy with whatever models they curently have and GW and the others should shut up shop .
unless you prefer they keep coming up with abominations like the Marine flyers...............
With like at least 50% of gamers being creepy male virgins of course naked women will sell.
Another brilliant and coherent argument thanks for the insult ......................
DeffDred wrote: What bitz would you expect? There aren't many options.
I imagine it would have to do with the codex, but even right now you could have a 5 man sisters squad with heavy and specials, along with sgt upgrades. Very similar to the grey knight box set. Even throw in Seraphim bits if you were feeling saucy, although that would be better for a different box.
Nah, the Serphim would have to be their own box for the flying poses.
What about a 5 (wo)man box with bolters, 2 melta guns, 2 flamers, one of each Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta and Heavy Flammer for... $40?
That way as you collected the force you'd have the parts to make whatever.
I don't think GW could do it right though. They can't seem to figure out how best to sell the kits.
I've gone on a few rants about how it could be better in the past and most agree with me.
It would totally alter the kits as we know them though.
The hate isn't directed at SoBs. It's directed at the people who constantly ask this same question... again... and again...
We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?
Why not? - why do we need any new models of any kind - your "argument" is so poor its untrue I assume everyone should be happy with whatever models they curently have and GW and the others should shut up shop .
unless you prefer they keep coming up with abominations like the Marine flyers...............
With like at least 50% of gamers being creepy male virgins of course naked women will sell.
Another brilliant and coherent argument thanks for the insult ......................
As an Ork player I WANT Flashgits, Biker Nobs, A new Buggie, Deffkoptas (with options), Big Mek in Mega-armour, Warboss in Mega-armour/ on bike, and a Looted Wagon.
Those are units that GW NEEDs to complete the model range. Sisters have their model range. Is there anything missing that hasn't got a sculpt?
It was neither brilliant nor an argument. Take a look at Kingdom Deaths site... sold out... sold out... sold out... sold out.
Beautiful female models.... in fur boots and bikinis. Sisters seem to have plenty in stock. Just a simple point I brought up.
Been to the Anime-con in Boston? Ever notice the market place full wall to wall with little naked women? See those people buying the little naked women? Yup thems be males.
$15 apiece little naked women. Such a collection is far more costly than GW but they sell just fine.... I wonder why?
Mr Morden wrote:
No one wants female minis - yeah thats accurate - see Raging Heroes - having real trouble selling them...
Fixed it for you. For the love of dog people, three periods in an ellipsis.
What's important to note though, is scale. Raging Heroes can sell their minis because they specialize in fantasy and sci-fi ladies. That's the only product they make. 100% of their capabilities can go into making little sexy lady toy soldiers.
Games Workshop, on the other hand, makes a lot of different products, all which require assets to make. Assets which are limited. So the question is not "Can GW turn a profit making new Sisters" but "Is the profit that GW makes of of new Sisters equal to or greater than the profit they can make if they use those assets to make something else?"
Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.
Excepting in certain, specific builds, Termies aren't Troops, they're Elites. You're not building the entire army out of them (again, excepting certain specific armies, or certain army builds with certain HQs). But, as Termies are a points-expensive unit, you're not fielding as many of them on the table at the same points-value, as the Termies are, what, 500 points per squad of 10? So you've got $400 invested in a 2k points army.
A standard squad of 10 Battle Sisters with a Sister Superior as the Squad Leader is 185. If you want a separate model to mark out your Sister Superior, she's $13, on top of the 4 boxes of Battle Sisters (2 of which will go into the next squad). Total price for squad of 10? $82, plus tax, tithe, and shipping and handling. And I've spent less than half the points of your Termie squad. If we were each going for 2k armies in nothing but troops, I'm spending $820 compared to your $400... and still coming in short of 2K points. Maybe I could upgrade each of my 10 squads with a Sister with Heavy Bolter or Multi-Melta, or mix thereof, and end up spending another $140 on these models. So, there we are. Your Termies cost you $400 for 2k points worth, my Sisters cost me $960 for 2k points worth.
I'm sure someone has tried, sure... though, as you mention, getting viable female heads isn't easy, and they don't scale particularly well on top of the bulk of a SM model. So, while it could work as a counts-as, it won't look that great.
I mean, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I've given up hope that GW will get off their arses and give us Sisters fans something to work with, so I'm waiting for the Raging Heroes TGG line to come out, or the female knights line they mentioned coming after TGG is done.
Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.
Excepting in certain, specific builds, Termies aren't Troops, they're Elites. You're not building the entire army out of them (again, excepting certain specific armies, or certain army builds with certain HQs). But, as Termies are a points-expensive unit, you're not fielding as many of them on the table at the same points-value, as the Termies are, what, 500 points per squad of 10? So you've got $400 invested in a 2k points army.
A standard squad of 10 Battle Sisters with a Sister Superior as the Squad Leader is 185. If you want a separate model to mark out your Sister Superior, she's $13, on top of the 4 boxes of Battle Sisters (2 of which will go into the next squad). Total price for squad of 10? $82, plus tax, tithe, and shipping and handling. And I've spent less than half the points of your Termie squad. If we were each going for 2k armies in nothing but troops, I'm spending $820 compared to your $400... and still coming in short of 2K points. Maybe I could upgrade each of my 10 squads with a Sister with Heavy Bolter or Multi-Melta, or mix thereof, and end up spending another $140 on these models. So, there we are. Your Termies cost you $400 for 2k points worth, my Sisters cost me $960 for 2k points worth.
By that same logic a single troop choice of Imperial Guardsmen can run over $300.
Points are irrelevent. I'm talking about the price on the box and the number of models inside.
GW makes models and a rules system to go with them. Models being top prioity.
Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.
Excepting in certain, specific builds, Termies aren't Troops, they're Elites. You're not building the entire army out of them (again, excepting certain specific armies, or certain army builds with certain HQs). But, as Termies are a points-expensive unit, you're not fielding as many of them on the table at the same points-value, as the Termies are, what, 500 points per squad of 10? So you've got $400 invested in a 2k points army.
A standard squad of 10 Battle Sisters with a Sister Superior as the Squad Leader is 185. If you want a separate model to mark out your Sister Superior, she's $13, on top of the 4 boxes of Battle Sisters (2 of which will go into the next squad). Total price for squad of 10? $82, plus tax, tithe, and shipping and handling. And I've spent less than half the points of your Termie squad. If we were each going for 2k armies in nothing but troops, I'm spending $820 compared to your $400... and still coming in short of 2K points. Maybe I could upgrade each of my 10 squads with a Sister with Heavy Bolter or Multi-Melta, or mix thereof, and end up spending another $140 on these models. So, there we are. Your Termies cost you $400 for 2k points worth, my Sisters cost me $960 for 2k points worth.
By that same logic a single troop choice of Imperial Guardsmen can run over $300.
Points are irrelevent. I'm talking about the price on the box and the number of models inside.
GW makes models and a rules system to go with them. Models being top prioity.
But as Petre said...
This isn't a thread about GW pricing.
No, it's not, exactly, but the current offering of what I can buy for Sisters troops, and its associated costs, coupled with the rules that GW presents me for playing a SOB army, and comparing that cost to another army, *is* relevant to the call for Sisters in plastic. Right now, point for point, the Sisters are ranging into realms of "most expensive" army to field, for an average, non-specialized list, simply because the troop variety is low (we have... what? Five units? Six?), the model-count high, the models-in-box few, and the prices relatively high for those few models. And people (and GW!) wonder why the Sisters are not a popular army on the table top? This is a real big reason why!
DeffDred wrote: New sisters would end up being Slaanesh-lite with a whole bunch of dominatrix and lesbian jokes all over the place.
Nah, not likely. Just look at what happened with the Daemonettes.
Excellent point.
Shouldn't that strike terror into SoB players wanting new models?
Aha. Well, II'm amd SoB player wanting new models, and I certainly wouldn't want them to be "sexed up", so no. I wouldn't want them to be made to look hideous like the Daemonettes either, though, but since the space nuns aren't evil daemon ladies, I doubt they'll go in that direction.
Psienesis wrote: No, it's not, exactly, but the current offering of what I can buy for Sisters troops, and its associated costs, coupled with the rules that GW presents me for playing a SOB army, and comparing that cost to another army, *is* relevant to the call for Sisters in plastic. Right now, point for point, the Sisters are ranging into realms of "most expensive" army to field, for an average, non-specialized list, simply because the troop variety is low (we have... what? Five units? Six?), the model-count high, the models-in-box few, and the prices relatively high for those few models. And people (and GW!) wonder why the Sisters are not a popular army on the table top? This is a real big reason why!
But there's no proof that lower prices would increase sales.
Warhammer 40k is a specific type of hobby with a specific type of customer.
If you don't have money to throw at GW you should stick to another hobby. If people want to play sisters they can pay the price.
I'd love to own an all Tervigon/Termigant army. I don't feel like spending my money on that many Termigants.
I do feel like spending my money on Wraithguard.
I'd love to own a sisters army (which the price really doesn't phase me, I paint slowely and could budget over time).
But I don't feel like painting the same figure over and over (in the sense that they are all women in the same armour with the same haircut, not they are a limited number of variant models).
As I've said, I already owned an army of SoBs and was disapointed in their playstyle.
So in short I guess the easiest way to describe my take on weather or not Sisters need new models would be:
The models exist and there is nothing wrong with their sculpts (just their price). They could use a new Codex but no one would like what GW came up with anyway
DeffDred wrote: I think you completely missed the point I was making.
I won't bother trying to explain it because I would literally be retyping the exact same thing.
But to clearify:
People don't need new sisters models. They want them.
I addressed the price issue.
You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?
Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).
Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.
Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.
Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.
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Fezman wrote: Quick question, has anyone tried simply converting their own Sisters by combining plastic Space Marines with female heads?
Note: Just curious...I know from experience that finding "heroic scale" female heads is an extremely frustrating endeavour.
Seen some people do that and it just looks off. Too bulky.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.
You'd love the Immolator sprue, iconography and bitz everywhere. Even a plastic Sabbat helmet! Doesn't look like you can buy any of the bitz online, though.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.
You'd love the Immolator sprue, iconography and bitz everywhere. Even a plastic Sabbat helmet! Doesn't look like you can buy any of the bitz online, though.
Should note that the Immolator kit comes with both a helmeted and unhelmeted head. ^^
So if you leave the turret unglued, you can make it a Rhino by swapping out a turret for the cupola piece which also comes in the kit. ^^ And if you want an alternative Exorcist that's all in plastic, save some of that iconography and get your hands on a Whirlwind's turret, do a bit of filing on the turret ring (for some bizarre reason, GW usually HATES to make their vehicle parts fully compatible with similar vehicle kits. Space Marine dreadnought arms, for example, each of the plastic variants I have (normal, venerable, and AoBR) has a different pin and hole size for the arms, making the parts either not fit with other kits, or be way too loose), stick it with the Immolator/Sisters Rhino chassis, and you've got yourself a makeshift Exorcist.
Also, plastic Sisters of Battle would make conversions nice and simple, because feth converting one-piece metal minis (two if you count the backpack, three if you count the base). I've done it once - I gave my Celestian Superior a bionic leg in 5th before the WD dex, made from a Necron Lord's lower leg. Of course, I'd be doing it for completely blasphemous reasons, but damn it all I will have my furry and scaly Sororitas! In this life or in my dreams!
I love making conversions. Most of the modeling I do these days has to do with a conversion idea, rather than building models to paint or simply assembling a new unit for a game (though I did get a bunch of heavy and special weapons for my Space Marines because they were sorely lacking variety). So I guess I'd be forced to say that most of the fun I have with the hobby these days comes from conversions and kitbashing.
I tried making my own plastic sisters , after using spare legs, arms and bolters (free in theory for build) I bought from meow meow minies the female heads, and female torso. still a work in progress and lots of parts fitting, but here is what I have so far. BTW it is more expensive to make your own(for me anyway
Yeah I lucked out getting my hands on some sisters bits when I bought my used army, the former player just threw all the left over stuff in a bag and a I found a bunch of Fleur De Li charms (like for actual charm bracelets) and with a little filing work had enough iconography to completely transform two rhinos, and give my immolators (one classic, one modern being used as a counts as Repressor) some more oomph, and completely transform what started it's life as an Iron Warriors whirlwind.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Yeah I lucked out getting my hands on some sisters bits when I bought my used army, the former player just threw all the left over stuff in a bag and a I found a bunch of Fleur De Li charms (like for actual charm bracelets) and with a little filing work had enough iconography to completely transform two rhinos, and give my immolators (one classic, one modern being used as a counts as Repressor) some more oomph, and completely transform what started it's life as an Iron Warriors whirlwind.
Nice.
Also, it's "Fleur de Lys."
The S is silent and it's pronounced like, "Lee" but still.
According to Wiki "i" or "y" is acceptable. I did drop the "s" though, and apparently didn't talk on the proper s for multiple fleur de lis which is "fleurs de lis"
Bitz_Addict wrote: For years I have been wishing for plastic Sisters of Battle kit to be released. Even heard some rumors back when the Witch Hunters codex came out that this was happening but it never did. Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.
Anyone heard anything about this? Will this ever happen? This is probably one of the most underplayed armies out there that has some of the most potential. I want a plastic army that can field 8,783,948,009 flamers for 2,000 pts without having to buy and build a the bloody IG army.
Who's with me?
When GW can sculpt females that doesn't look like transvestites.
Bitz_Addict wrote: For years I have been wishing for plastic Sisters of Battle kit to be released. Even heard some rumors back when the Witch Hunters codex came out that this was happening but it never did. Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.
Anyone heard anything about this? Will this ever happen? This is probably one of the most underplayed armies out there that has some of the most potential. I want a plastic army that can field 8,783,948,009 flamers for 2,000 pts without having to buy and build a the bloody IG army.
Who's with me?
When GW can sculpt females that doesn't look like trannies.
They need to produce some models that look like these.
Bitz_Addict wrote: For years I have been wishing for plastic Sisters of Battle kit to be released. Even heard some rumors back when the Witch Hunters codex came out that this was happening but it never did. Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.
Anyone heard anything about this? Will this ever happen? This is probably one of the most underplayed armies out there that has some of the most potential. I want a plastic army that can field 8,783,948,009 flamers for 2,000 pts without having to buy and build a the bloody IG army.
Who's with me?
When GW can sculpt females that doesn't look like trannies.
Can we not use that word? It's about as polite as any other slur.
I have them already, and honestly apart from the Repentia, they are not really all that sexualized. Even the Repentia models are more tame than the art. Especially if you compare them to those *COUGH* leaders of female models at Raging Heroes, where nearly every female has an enormous chest, exposing clothing and poses that are clearly pin-up.
I'd like a new codex over plastic models, would be happy to have them, though. However, I'd be more happy for plastic kits of essentially the same look, or even happier with plastic vehicles.
There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.
I have a few hundred SOB at present but would love some new scults to add variety.
As i've already said several times, they would be my next army if they released an update.
One thing I am not going to do is try and build a 2000pt army out of the sisters metal models and forgeworld vehicle kits. I'd spend 3x the amount I would on building another army and I can't afford that. The hobby is expensive enough as it is. (My next choice is Tau, I'm probably going to be buying some soon too.)
I don't understand why anyone would complain at GW releasing a new model line for sisters... yes, a line of miniatures exists but they are metal and expensive in comparison to other MEQ armies.
Yes, GW are upscaling their prices in recent times, but it would still be a cheaper alternative and given the interest in other female models in other ranges, I can see many people being interested. Sexualised or not.
I must say that I see myself agreeing with DeffDred on this. I love the current designs, and I would deem it quite possible that GW would redesign them, if they ever decide to produce plastic kits. And, given the inherent risk of change to something I like in its current fashion, I'm not sure I would end up enjoying the result. The Daemonettes and Dark Eldar Wyches are a good example of this, subjectively speaking, as I believe that both ended up to be uglier than their older version. Plus, the sheer weight of the metal feels amazing in my hands and psychologically makes every single miniature feel more powerful and important - the next-to-nothing of light plastic or even flimsy finecast simply cannot compare here. It's like comparing chess pieces of plastic and heavy wood. It's a totally different experience playing with the latter, at least to me.
That's an egoistical position to take, though, as I know that many players may just not want to spend such a huge amount of cash (I actually believe plastics would end up to be somewhat cheaper, just not as much as people seem to believe) on SoB. And in a way it may even hurt myself, for when plastic SoB means more players, it might mean more updates and material that I could end up using, too. So, I suppose I'll remain in this nervous state of waiting and just see where things go from here.
Also, I can also understand the interest in bitz, for there is certainly some potential here - although I believe that the full range of options would require a proper Codex with more options than the gutted remains of old glory we got in WD. That said, simple ornamentation and props can always be used anywhere, and it would be cool if the various miniatures could be geared towards the equipment they carry. So far, there is only a single SoB mini with a combi-weapon, for example, and she is paired with a power maul, which isn't even an option anymore in the new 'dex. So if we were to go purely by WYSIWYG, this mini as well as the combi-weapon option in the current Codex are invalid/impossible.
DeffDred wrote:Those are units that GW NEEDs to complete the model range. Sisters have their model range. Is there anything missing that hasn't got a sculpt?
The Banner Bearer is OOP. I was lucky enough to get one off ebay a few years ago, so there may still be some around if one were to look hard for them.
I think players are supposed to substitute the Simulacrum for the Banner.
Mr Morden wrote:There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.
I dunno. It'd certainly be possible, but stylistically it would feel very "marine'ish". I'd rather see Celestians get Storm Shields and Power Weapons to make them a potential CC unit to be feared of.
Bitz_Addict wrote:
Spoiler:
I swear, Battle Sisters with friggin' high heels are a red rag to me, regardless of whether I see this in fan art or cosplay (or that one Blanche drawing).
Mr Morden wrote:There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.
I dunno. It'd certainly be possible, but stylistically it would feel very "marine'ish". I'd rather see Celestians get Storm Shields and Power Weapons to make them a potential CC unit to be feared of.
I agree. This would not only make them rather strong but they'd look incredible too.
As one who loved the revamp of the Dark Eldar - I would love to see new SOB models - if they were done well - I thought the Llyeth model was great - but I would agree the Diaz Daemonettes have yet to be matched. However its all very subjective........
re the specific Power Maul - as long as you have the option for a "power weapon" you can choose which one you take - so its still valid I think?
A revamp would be bound to introudce new options as seen in other revised codexes so they can sell new models:
So likely Sisters on bikes, dedicated flyer/s, new vehicles, new special characters etc etc
Whilst a full option for Terminator squads is not that likely - there is nothing really in the fluff to stop them (and that does not tend to give them pause anyway these days :( ) - but you could certainly write some good fluff about them - perhaps a single one taken from each deviant Astartes Chapter they have purged and then ritually cleansed to allow a Sororitas to use them nice fluffy option and would look cool on the table...........
No reason not to have the Storm Shield / Power weapon combo as well
Mr Morden wrote:re the specific Power Maul - as long as you have the option for a "power weapon" you can choose which one you take - so its still valid I think?
I believe the Codex specifically says "Power Sword", which means we're SOL when it comes to the new bonuses regarding the differences to Power Axes etc, too.
[edit] nvm, the FAQ actually changes it to Power Weapon
Still, one could say that it is bad insofar as it basically "forces" you to always take the combi-weapon and a power maul, instead of something else. If we were to go by WYSIWYG, that is.
I don't mind it too much, myself, but modularity is a valid example of the (few, imo) advantages of plastic kits.
Mr Morden wrote:A revamp would be bound to introudce new options as seen in other revised codexes so they can sell new models:
So likely Sisters on bikes, dedicated flyer/s, new vehicles, new special characters etc etc
Another reason for me to be sceptical, then.
The only "new" models I'd like to see is a return of the Frateris Militia. Maybe Novices. For Flyers, just give me the Valkyrie and the Lightning and I'm good to go.
But as you said, it really is a matter of personal preferences, and hypothetically speaking, I would actually expect GW to cater more to your vision than to mine - judging purely by recent releases. Including the SoB 'dex that basically says "play with SC or suck it".
I swear, Battle Sisters with friggin' high heels are a red rag to me, regardless of whether I see this in fan art or cosplay (or that one Blanche drawing).
Oh god, this. I rage a little every time I see it. Are high heels really something that a soldier would have?
Lynata wrote: So far, there is only a single SoB mini with a combi-weapon, for example, and she is paired with a power maul, which isn't even an option anymore in the new 'dex.
It is, actually. The FAQ changed "power sword" to "power weapon", which I believes covers swords, axes and mauls.
Also, did not know that that model had a combi-weapon. Will definetely have to pick it up at some point, then.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Anyway, let's get a headcount, who here would go SoB if they came out with a decent, non-sexualized, and diverse plastic lineup?
Even if my metal model army was completeted, I'd still pick up a load of plastic Sisters. Hell, would even paint them up as a different Order to my current ones.
DeffDred wrote: We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?
Perhaps a sister with a bolter pointed slightly higher than the rest? Maybe a totally awesome new sister model with a flamer! Oh wait....
They have perfectly fine models. If anything people should whine that GW should lower the cost of the models.
They have perfectly fine models unless you want to covert them. They have perfectly fine models unless you want every model in your unit to not look like a cookie cutter version of every other model in the unit. You may think the line is fine, but to those that it actually matters to it isn't. I had a witchhunters army with a large sisters component. It irritated me that every armored sister model, except for the seraphim, was pretty much exactly the same as every other armored sister model. Even the special weapons used the same body, pose and hair styles. That is BORING. Also given the fact they are all metal and the limited poses that every model is in, any type of serious conversion was a pain in the ass. Heck even a simple weapon conversion was a pain in the ass.
Yep new plastics won't be cheap, but then the metals aren't exactly cheap either so that is a wash in my book. People who like sisters just want similar options to other armies: Fully posable and adaptable plastic troops. It isn't a lot to ask at all given that it is the norm for every other army in the game.
Lynata wrote: So far, there is only a single SoB mini with a combi-weapon, for example, and she is paired with a power maul, which isn't even an option anymore in the new 'dex.
It is, actually. The FAQ changed "power sword" to "power weapon", which I believes covers swords, axes and mauls.
Also, did not know that that model had a combi-weapon. Will definetely have to pick it up at some point, then.
It also covers lances/spears, for whatever that's worth.
Also, I didn't know that mini had a combi-weapon, and I've had one for at least a year before 6th edition was released.
Then for some bizarre reason I chose her to turn into a Starcraft 2 Infested Kerrigan miniature.
It was an ultimately ill-conceived and failed project.
I actually have 3 or 4 of them, I think, in various stages of use/destruction. They are actually pretty useful because the combi is easy to chop and swap and the raised hand is two pieces so is relatively easy to swap/convert a different weapon. She makes a good sister superior.
Psienesis wrote: No, it's not, exactly, but the current offering of what I can buy for Sisters troops, and its associated costs, coupled with the rules that GW presents me for playing a SOB army, and comparing that cost to another army, *is* relevant to the call for Sisters in plastic. Right now, point for point, the Sisters are ranging into realms of "most expensive" army to field, for an average, non-specialized list, simply because the troop variety is low (we have... what? Five units? Six?), the model-count high, the models-in-box few, and the prices relatively high for those few models. And people (and GW!) wonder why the Sisters are not a popular army on the table top? This is a real big reason why!
But there's no proof that lower prices would increase sales.
Warhammer 40k is a specific type of hobby with a specific type of customer.
If you don't have money to throw at GW you should stick to another hobby. If people want to play sisters they can pay the price.
I'd love to own an all Tervigon/Termigant army. I don't feel like spending my money on that many Termigants.
I do feel like spending my money on Wraithguard.
I'd love to own a sisters army (which the price really doesn't phase me, I paint slowely and could budget over time).
But I don't feel like painting the same figure over and over (in the sense that they are all women in the same armour with the same haircut, not they are a limited number of variant models).
As I've said, I already owned an army of SoBs and was disapointed in their playstyle.
So in short I guess the easiest way to describe my take on weather or not Sisters need new models would be:
The models exist and there is nothing wrong with their sculpts (just their price). They could use a new Codex but no one would like what GW came up with anyway
I have money to throw at GW. That's the point. GW, however, seems disinterested in giving me something for which I will throw money at them, and seems to suggest that I should, rather, download the Codex from the internet, and buy my models from some other company, because they have done little but make the SOB army difficult to collect, the rules for it hard to find, and have priced it into the realm of "collector's item", rather than playable army. For the price of a SOB army from GW, compared to other, current armies that are, far and away, more competitive, offering more flexibility in playstyle, and visually more interesting (ymmv), as such things are considered, the pricing of a SOB Army should give me 5th ed GK cheese. Like I pointed out earlier, if I'm dropping nearly a grand on *basic troops* and a handful of slightly-upgraded *basic troops*, without taking into consideration any other model in any other FOC slot, and am getting a mid-tier, mid-range shooty army, then those basic troops better be damn well worth the price tag.
However, as that isn't going to happen (nor should it, really), the price of Sisters should come in line with those of other model ranges. The TacMarine box set gives us 10 in plastic, with bitz on the sprue to make more than just a basic TacMarine. You get stuff to make some basic SM, a range of heavy weapons, and some bitz to make a squad leader. In *one* box, and more than three times the model count, for only twice the price. Any way you shake it, it's a much, much better value... never mind the fact that a box of TacMarines can be used in a wide range of armies, rather than one specific army list with minimal conversion, repainting or fluff-bending writing.
Mr Morden wrote: There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.
I have a few hundred SOB at present but would love some new scults to add variety.
Or even just a "heavy" power armor that has additional strength-enhancers and refractor shields, without needing to call it terminator armor (and give it only 3+/5++ so the marine fanboys won't complain too much).
Would be a rather neat idea for a heavy assault unit, perhaps with the option to upgrade them to be equipped with power swords and storm shields, giving them a rather knightly/paladinly appeal.
Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.
Quite right. I don't play Sisters but if they got plastics I'd buy them just for the conversion potential.
That or a completely unsubstantiated rumor that is a rehash of the one we heard 5 years ago saying delays were due to the number of undercuts involved in the molds...
That or a completely unsubstantiated rumor that is a rehash of the one we heard 5 years ago saying delays were due to the number of undercuts involved in the molds...
Not saying I'm unquestionably accepting what the guy said, but GW having problems/delays making new Sisters has been a fairly prevalent rumour. Was just wondering if there's anything about the Sisters that makes them particularly hard to model. Because I can't really think of anything.
'Spose it could just be the fans trying to think up an explanation.
Troike wrote: but GW having problems/delays making new Sisters has been a fairly prevalent rumour. Was just wondering if there's anything about the Sisters that makes them particularly hard to model. Because I can't really think of anything.
'Spose it could just be the fans trying to think up an explanation.
It all stems from a Jes Goodwin interview like 5 years ago where he talked about the undercuts on the SoB. It has been rehashed a milliion times since then. This is actually the first one I heard where someone tried to add new detail to it. Which either means it is legitimately new, or the story has grown so much that it has taken a life of its own.
Also, this is just me talking here, but I honestly do NOT want Terminator Sisters. If we keep on this route, Sisters will no longer be Sisters and just some offshoot of Marines, and I do not want that.
curran12 wrote: Also, this is just me talking here, but I honestly do NOT want Terminator Sisters. If we keep on this route, Sisters will no longer be Sisters and just some offshoot of Marines, and I do not want that.
I don't care for terminator sisters, but having an "assault" power armor suit would be nice.
Troike wrote:And yet the Dark Angels exist, so I doubt that.
I confess, I had to think the same thing.
Plus, as pretre mentioned, it sounds eerily familiar.
Not denying the possibility that people are actually told this, though. By now it could well be an excuse story that gets tossed around whenever important GW people get bothered by those pesky SoB fans.
As far as armour thingies are concerned, I'm unsure whether or not I would like to see something like this. That being said, perhaps it could be a sort of upgrade, like the plackart of the Canoness miniature, in combination with something like the Crusader Greaves/Gauntlets you could unlock as wargear for Canoness Selena in the DoW Soulstorm expansion.
I feel something like that should be confined to Celestians, though. And the Canoness herself, ofc. Who should also get access to both cloaks back.
Mr Morden wrote: There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.
I have a few hundred SOB at present but would love some new scults to add variety.
Or even just a "heavy" power armor that has additional strength-enhancers and refractor shields, without needing to call it terminator armor (and give it only 3+/5++ so the marine fanboys won't complain too much).
Would be a rather neat idea for a heavy assault unit, perhaps with the option to upgrade them to be equipped with power swords and storm shields, giving them a rather knightly/paladinly appeal.
Lynata wrote: I feel something like that should be confined to Celestians, though. And the Canoness herself, ofc. Who should also get access to both cloaks back.
It'd really suit them too. As is they're half-arsed attempts at tarpits, so some decent gear to help with that would give them an actual role in the army.
And the Canoness should really get most of, if not all of her stuff back. A strong generic HQ would be pretty nice. Right now my Canoness is more or less just a helper for my Rets. :-/
Troike wrote:Right now my Canoness is more or less just a helper for my Rets. :-/
The main issue I have with the WDex, really. The massive reduction of wargear in the Sisters' armoury and the high power of certain SCs (against whom the rest of the army were balanced) means that we're really just gimping ourselves for sticking to the Canoness. Yet I really prefer fielding a "standard" Sororitas leader with custom background to some uberspecial official hero I had no part in designing.
We can only hope that the Canoness and her Command Squad become a somewhat more viable choice in the future.
But in a way, it fits to the army's theme. Let us share in our suffering, Sister!
Anyways, my idea for the Celestians is basically supposed to reinforce their fluff as honor guard for the Canoness. Make them beasts in close combat, and give them appropriate gear. Then charge the heretics with banner held high!
Hm, you know, as an alternate thing for Sisters, the recent thread on Joan of Arc got me thinking.
Sisters need Standards. Make it a one-per-army sort of thing. You choose a Banner from a list, it's attached to a Sister model that, as Bearer of the Standard, has a 4++ and a bolt pistol. Not a combat goddess, by any means, but her role is to survive.
The banner selected provides a set buff or range of buffs. Maybe it makes Penitent Engines troops. Maybe it provides an army-wide +1 WS, +1T or +1W. Maybe it provides an additional 6" shooting range for all weapons. So on and so forth.
The other idea I have behind this is that we know there's a bunch of Minor Orders. In fact. thinking about it a bit more, you could use a baseline Sister Superior (actually, Sister with Imagifier) as the HQ, in place of the Canoness or another HQ, and get the banner and its effects, while other HQ selections don't.
This lets you, if you want to pose it this way, have your "custom banner" on the field, and deploy however many number of Sisters you're deploying, and, in campaign play, you are deploying a significant portion of a Minor Orders Militant.
They sorta did with the Battle Standards, yes, though I am thinking that they should make this an army-wide thing, one banner, to encourage taking a different HQ than the shortlist of SCs and such.
I'm not sure if it should really ignore the range between the recipient of the bonus and the banner conferring it - but now that GW went and assigned different "perks" to the various Major Orders, it would indeed become possible to have a re-introduced version of the 3E Sacred Banner confer an Order-specific bonus. Players of custom Minor Orders would have to decide which of the Major Orders theirs is a daughter-house of, and then become eligible to its bonus.
That being said, I think the current Blessed Banner is probably one of the few improvements of the new 'dex, given that it basically unites the benefits of the 20-points-Sacred Standard and the 50-points-Sacred Banner in a single 15-point-item, even though the effect adopted from the Sacred Banner was nerfed from complete immunity into a reroll.
Psienesis wrote: Hm, you know, as an alternate thing for Sisters, the recent thread on Joan of Arc got me thinking.
Sisters need Standards. Make it a one-per-army sort of thing. You choose a Banner from a list, it's attached to a Sister model that, as Bearer of the Standard, has a 4++ and a bolt pistol. Not a combat goddess, by any means, but her role is to survive.
The banner selected provides a set buff or range of buffs. Maybe it makes Penitent Engines troops. Maybe it provides an army-wide +1 WS, +1T or +1W. Maybe it provides an additional 6" shooting range for all weapons. So on and so forth.
The other idea I have behind this is that we know there's a bunch of Minor Orders. In fact. thinking about it a bit more, you could use a baseline Sister Superior (actually, Sister with Imagifier) as the HQ, in place of the Canoness or another HQ, and get the banner and its effects, while other HQ selections don't.
This lets you, if you want to pose it this way, have your "custom banner" on the field, and deploy however many number of Sisters you're deploying, and, in campaign play, you are deploying a significant portion of a Minor Orders Militant.
((Edited because I spell gud))
So, something like the Black Templar's vows but with standards? Choose a standard that you feel would best benefit the army in a particular game? If I'm reading that right, tha would be pretty sweet and add a lot to the the army. Plus that would make for some pretty cool conversions.
It was (supposedly) the way the robes on the arms were hanging. Dark Angels just have the emo sleeveless hoodie bathrobes which hang the same way no matter how you pose them.
Basically, the idea was that when posed, the fabric robes on the arms would look weird and not hang "naturally" unless the arms were posed in a specific manner (which defeats much of the purpose of multi-part models). That much makes sense. It would definitely be a difficult thing to mold unless the arms were multi-part which then becomes an issue of added cost and wasted materials.
I still believe the correct answer is that plastic Sisters don't exist because they've never been a high enough priority to get made. But at least the idea of the arms makes a reasonable amount of sense.
Bitz_Addict wrote: Anyway, let's get a headcount, who here would go SoB if they came out with a decent, non-sexualized, and diverse plastic lineup?
I already play them - but at the cost they exist at now, I could afford to buy my one build and leave it at that - plus I use some old plastic space marines to pad things out when I run a big game. If they came out in plastic, I'd both diversify my builds and buy enough Sisters to expand my army to higher point levels. I'm just not inclined to do either at current prices. I don't have any problem with their current look, but more variety in models would definitely inspire my pocketbook to open up as well.
It could be that the particular sculpts that Goodwin came up with 5 years ago really were not suitable for plastic production methods. That does not mean they could not make plastic sisters with current technology and sculpts that were designed to work with that technology.
Psienesis wrote: Hm, you know, as an alternate thing for Sisters, the recent thread on Joan of Arc got me thinking.
Sisters need Standards. Make it a one-per-army sort of thing. You choose a Banner from a list, it's attached to a Sister model that, as Bearer of the Standard, has a 4++ and a bolt pistol. Not a combat goddess, by any means, but her role is to survive.
The banner selected provides a set buff or range of buffs. Maybe it makes Penitent Engines troops. Maybe it provides an army-wide +1 WS, +1T or +1W. Maybe it provides an additional 6" shooting range for all weapons. So on and so forth.
The other idea I have behind this is that we know there's a bunch of Minor Orders. In fact. thinking about it a bit more, you could use a baseline Sister Superior (actually, Sister with Imagifier) as the HQ, in place of the Canoness or another HQ, and get the banner and its effects, while other HQ selections don't.
This lets you, if you want to pose it this way, have your "custom banner" on the field, and deploy however many number of Sisters you're deploying, and, in campaign play, you are deploying a significant portion of a Minor Orders Militant.
((Edited because I spell gud))
So, something like the Black Templar's vows but with standards? Choose a standard that you feel would best benefit the army in a particular game? If I'm reading that right, tha would be pretty sweet and add a lot to the the army. Plus that would make for some pretty cool conversions.
Kinda, yeah, though I'm thinking more along the lines of the current Orders Major perks, plus a table of additional effects, simply to add some variety to custom Minor Orders. Between the current perks, BT vows, IG Orders and all the related Imperial faction things along these lines, I'm not even sure the table would need to be all that "custom", just simply re-worded (to make it fit the Sisters' theme) versions of things that are already appearing in other Imperial armies.
Or you could decide that the Order Minor can either choose a single Order Major perk (thus identifying that Order as its founder), and get its perk and all the stuff that goes on with that Order, or roll randomly on the table (kinda-sorta the way Psychic Powers are either taken from a short-list, or rolled randomly)... though I think I'd prefer the previous version, simply so that one's custom Minor Order is not just a Major Order in a new paint scheme.
Thanks for pointing out the toughest girls in the galaxy, kickstarter never sends me things I'd be interested in.
The quality and value of those models from a company who makes customer feedback integral to their process dispels the desire I had for plastic SoB from GW, if they ever do come out they'll only be lesser troops in my TGG collection.
I honestly haven't been exposed much to the SoB, but I really like their concept. I love the way they looked and acted in the first DoW game. I would love to have some as allies for my Imperial Guard, but I wish they had less Mariney vehicles and weren't made out of metal. I hate metal ever since I started playing well over a decade ago with Battletech. The infantry models, however, look very, very nice.
Furyou Miko wrote: There is a rumour that Sisters units are slated to be released one at a time through the Munitorium Manuals for 99p per unit entry...
Purifier at the Lt level you get ALL the freebies, which includes upgrades to certain models and kits, as well as five free heroines (so far) and a baby hippo. Your pledge level gives you X amount of funds to play with. As of Update 12 you can "spend" those funds on any combination of heroines, infantry and support you want. Your specific models will be selected in the post KS backer survey.
That was what I was looking for, thanks! So just wait until it closes, yes?
This, and the nuns-kickstarter probably, is gonna be my sisters army in the future.
I doubt I'm the only one thinking this way. I wonder how much GW has squandered here. I was ready to buy an easy 100 plastic sisters troop choices alone, not to mention all the seraphim and other special units.
That was what I was looking for, thanks! So just wait until it closes, yes?
This, and the nuns-kickstarter probably, is gonna be my sisters army in the future.
I doubt I'm the only one thinking this way. I wonder how much GW has squandered here. I was ready to buy an easy 100 plastic sisters troop choices alone, not to mention all the seraphim and other special units.
I wonder wether this will just further hinder the possibility of GW ever releasing plastic sisters at all.
That was what I was looking for, thanks! So just wait until it closes, yes?
This, and the nuns-kickstarter probably, is gonna be my sisters army in the future.
I doubt I'm the only one thinking this way. I wonder how much GW has squandered here. I was ready to buy an easy 100 plastic sisters troop choices alone, not to mention all the seraphim and other special units.
I wonder wether this will just further hinder the possibility of GW ever releasing plastic sisters at all.
It just might. But then, with the updates from GW (that is to say none at all the past few years) who is to say they ever would.
Possibly something in the distant future maybe(?) vs something confirmed here and now... I'll take the confirmed, thank you very much.
I'm not even hooked here. If GW came out today and said "Q1 2014 we're releasing sisters plastics!" I'd instantly remove myself from this kickstarter.
Do you think that's likely to happen?
That was what I was looking for, thanks! So just wait until it closes, yes?
This, and the nuns-kickstarter probably, is gonna be my sisters army in the future.
I doubt I'm the only one thinking this way. I wonder how much GW has squandered here. I was ready to buy an easy 100 plastic sisters troop choices alone, not to mention all the seraphim and other special units.
I wonder wether this will just further hinder the possibility of GW ever releasing plastic sisters at all.
It just might. But then, with the updates from GW (that is to say none at all the past few years) who is to say they ever would.
Possibly something in the distant future maybe(?) vs something confirmed here and now... I'll take the confirmed, thank you very much.
I'm not even hooked here. If GW came out today and said "Q1 2014 we're releasing sisters plastics!" I'd instantly remove myself from this kickstarter.
Do you think that's likely to happen?
Of course I don't think it's likely.
and I'd do the same as you if I had the money to do so.
I don't have the money to buy either right now.
That's basically the boat I'm in. I usually reserve purchases from Raging Heroes and similar "boutique" ranges for ICs, either for wargaming or standard RPGs, but I'm so very tired of waiting for GW to do something with the SOB product line.
So, I supported the KS to get these bits, which will probably be used primarily for an RPG, while supporting the studio for the upcoming "nuns" army.
The Munitorium Manuals are GW/Black Library's latest EBook series. Each one contains a single piece of wargear, character, or unit information. Available at the current time:
Furyou Miko wrote: The Munitorium Manuals are GW/Black Library's latest EBook series. Each one contains a single piece of wargear, character, or unit information. Available at the current time:
Furyou Miko wrote: The Munitorium Manuals are GW/Black Library's latest EBook series. Each one contains a single piece of wargear, character, or unit information. Available at the current time:
Furyou Miko wrote: The Munitorium Manuals are GW/Black Library's latest EBook series. Each one contains a single piece of wargear, character, or unit information. Available at the current time:
What are they anyway? Just fluffs or actual update to wargears, characters, units and codex? I'd assume the profile for shuriken catapult to be in the official codex, so what're they charging a quid for?
Furyou Miko wrote: The Munitorium Manuals are GW/Black Library's latest EBook series. Each one contains a single piece of wargear, character, or unit information. Available at the current time:
What are they anyway? Just fluffs or actual update to wargears, characters, units and codex? I'd assume the profile for shuriken catapult to be in the official codex, so what're they charging a quid for?
Well, according to the front page, Asmodai is meant to come with some rules. I'm assuming what that means, anyway. The information page is very vague.
They probably finally sold out of stock on that one. >< I don't think they're casting more Sisters up at the moment, which means it's probably going to be gone on the UK site for a long time.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How could it be in stock in the US and not in the UK? I thought all orders came from the UK?
No idea. I'm switching between the UK and US site, and the US site has all the Seraphim Superiors avaliable for order.
Interestingly, I tried the Netherlands site, and all Superiors are visible, but one of them is out of stock.
K, I've tried a different versions of the GW site, and this seems to be isolated to the Seraphim Superiors, Kyrinov and that Preacher with a sword. Weird.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: How could it be in stock in the US and not in the UK? I thought all orders came from the UK?
They have a separately stocked warehouse in Memphis, TN they ship from. Based on the fact most of my orders from there ship same day or next day, they must have a large stock there.
I heard (but have not confirmed) all production is done in the UK. I assume it is then disseminated to its shipping warehouses in other countries and the sites list their stocks separately.
You may be able to still order from their other sites. I know amazon allows this, but GW shipping system seems somewhat archaic.
Your best bet is to make friends with someone in a country that still has them (what a coincidence... hey, Melissia? You know you love me... j/k) and have them buy the models for you, then send them the money for the kit and the cost of postage from their residence to the UK... because I guarantee you they can get it sent over for cheaper than GW, if GW even allow this sort of thing.
In such a theoretical exchange, I'm sending you a present in the form of minis, and you're sending me a cash present. We're just exchanging gifts. GW can bite it
I cant believe how fast the RH kickstarter got up off the ground, we have been saying it for ages, but seriously.. GW must just hate money, because a new line of sisters would make a fething killing.
mattyrm wrote: I cant believe how fast the RH kickstarter got up off the ground, we have been saying it for ages, but seriously.. GW must just hate money, because a new line of sisters would make a fething killing.
They do hate money.
They give it to legal teams and fight (and practically lose) IP court cases instead.
mattyrm wrote: I cant believe how fast the RH kickstarter got up off the ground, we have been saying it for ages, but seriously.. GW must just hate money, because a new line of sisters would make a fething killing.
They do hate money.
They give it to legal teams and fight (and practically lose) IP court cases instead.
mattyrm wrote: I cant believe how fast the RH kickstarter got up off the ground, we have been saying it for ages, but seriously.. GW must just hate money, because a new line of sisters would make a fething killing.
They do hate money.
They give it to legal teams and fight (and practically lose) IP court cases instead.
They don't hate money; they just love paying their lawyers. The fact that money is lost is merely an unintentional consequence.
400k is just their KS funding, and the backers aren't getting a full army of models, just a handful of whatever sculpts they choose out of the list.
I think, sometime next year, when the actual sculpts are in production, there's going to be a lot of the TGG sculpts showing up on wargaming tables, either as custom ICs or perhaps, especially, as specific specialist units for IG/IG-like units.
It bears mentioning that none of RH's kickstarter models are Sisters of Battle. They're all Lady IGuard. IGuard being anarmy that has sold substantially more armies and has a significantly higher market share than Sisters.
A letter from Game Workshop to fans of Sisters of Battle: (not really, but might as well be.)
Dear Sisters of Battle Fans. We will not be revamping, updating, expanding or looking at this particular army. We hate sisters and don't care that you like them. We made a grotesquely expensive army that's hard to collect, convert and play, and yet you still buy them...which is proof that we don't need to make them.
So, in short, we don't care.
Games Workshop.
"Because you suck and we hate you."
Veteran Sergeant wrote: It bears mentioning that none of RH's kickstarter models are Sisters of Battle. They're all Lady IGuard. IGuard being anarmy that has sold substantially more armies and has a significantly higher market share than Sisters.
There's a lot of false supposition going on here.
They are however due to do a Space Nuns Kick Starter at some stage.
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MWHistorian wrote: A letter from Game Workshop to fans of Sisters of Battle: (not really, but might as well be.)
Dear Sisters of Battle Fans. We will not be revamping, updating, expanding or looking at this particular army. We hate sisters and don't care that you like them. We made a grotesquely expensive army that's hard to collect, convert and play, and yet you still buy them...which is proof that we don't need to make them.
So, in short, we don't care.
Games Workshop.
"Because you suck and we hate you."
Veteran Sergeant wrote: It bears mentioning that none of RH's kickstarter models are Sisters of Battle. They're all Lady IGuard. IGuard being anarmy that has sold substantially more armies and has a significantly higher market share than Sisters.
There's a lot of false supposition going on here.
RH has announced a "Space Nuns" model line to follow TGG and their Victorian/Steampunk series, which might, depending on appearance, be suitable stand-ins.
They don't seem to be converting them to finecast so are just using up metal stocks. They have made them so expensive that they can't sell very many at all. The most basic sisters are 3 for £11 on the UK site and you get a random selection, which is a crappy way to sell figures. It's exactly the fethed up approach they took with specialist games meaning you can't choose the variants you want, thus making the product even less appealing because every purchase is a lucky dip.
I think they'll just run the stocks down and let them go OOP, no announcement, just let them disappear, like they did with Specialist Games.
The issue isn't that they think they won't make money (sisters will sell), it's probably that they think they won't make *enough* money. They look at this range and ask, how much will it make compared to another Space Marine release. If they don't see guaranteed big money they won't do it. Of course, that they're currently selling a range of old figures at stupid prices makes this easy to justify due to their poor performance.
They're a lovely army but GW just don't take risks with their game or do things that aim at the less popular parts of the game particularly that largely supported by veterans. They'd rather do another obviously popular army with a few big price plastic kits.
Howard A Treesong wrote: They don't seem to be converting them to finecast so are just using up metal stocks. They have made them so expensive that they can't sell very many at all. The most basic sisters are 3 for £11 on the UK site and you get a random selection, which is a crappy way to sell figures. It's exactly the fethed up approach they took with specialist games meaning you can't choose the variants you want, thus making the product even less appealing because every purchase is a lucky dip.
I think they'll just run the stocks down and let them go OOP, no announcement, just let them disappear, like they did with Specialist Games.
The issue isn't that they think they won't make money (sisters will sell), it's probably that they think they won't make *enough* money. They look at this range and ask, how much will it make compared to another Space Marine release. If they don't see guaranteed big money they won't do it. Of course, that they're currently selling a range of old figures at stupid prices makes this easy to justify due to their poor performance.
They're a lovely army but GW just don't take risks with their game or do things that aim at the less popular parts of the game particularly that largely supported by veterans. They'd rather do another obviously popular army with a few big price plastic kits.
Veteran Sergeant wrote: It bears mentioning that none of RH's kickstarter models are Sisters of Battle. They're all Lady IGuard. IGuard being anarmy that has sold substantially more armies and has a significantly higher market share than Sisters.
There's a lot of false supposition going on here.
RH has announced a "Space Nuns" model line to follow TGG and their Victorian/Steampunk series, which might, depending on appearance, be suitable stand-ins.
Yeah. but they aren't part of the kickstarter, nor is the "success" of the Kickstarter an indication that people care about Space Nuns. Maybe people just want Little Sexy IGuards(wo)men. After all, that's also a large gap in the market because almost all the options for those either A: Look awful, or B: aren't easily available. More of the "A" than the "B" because they don't have arms in many of the kits and without scaled down arms, they look like Lady Gorillas, lol.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:
The issue isn't that they think they won't make money (sisters will sell), it's probably that they think they won't make *enough* money. They look at this range and ask, how much will it make compared to another Space Marine release. If they don't see guaranteed big money they won't do it. Of course, that they're currently selling a range of old figures at stupid prices makes this easy to justify due to their poor performance.
They're a lovely army but GW just don't take risks with their game or do things that aim at the less popular parts of the game particularly that largely supported by veterans. They'd rather do another obviously popular army with a few big price plastic kits.
Well put, and nothing I haven't said a hundred times before.
It's not that we don't listen - its just that the children of Thatcher look on the world with more hopeful eyes than the children of Callaghan
In all seriousness, as the years roll by, I consider it less and less likely that GW will ever consider SoB a worthwhile, profitable concern. I continue to hope, though, and if the day ever comes that they prove me wrong and give the Sisters a proper refresh, I'll wander into my local GW store and drop a couple of grand on new models.
I noticed some models were labeled," product unavailable" like the seraphim with bolt pistol and power sword and Kiryanov off the UK site a few days ago. Today they are just gone off the site, USA included. Not a good sign.
conker249 wrote: I noticed some models were labeled," product unavailable" like the seraphim with bolt pistol and power sword and Kiryanov off the UK site a few days ago. Today they are just gone off the site, USA included. Not a good sign.
I emailed customer services a few days ago asking what was up, but got no reply...
Also, I find it strange how all three Seraphim Superior models "went out of stock" at once. It's unlikely that were all bought at the same rate. You'd think that just one (the most popular) would have vanished.
conker249 wrote: I noticed some models were labeled," product unavailable" like the seraphim with bolt pistol and power sword and Kiryanov off the UK site a few days ago. Today they are just gone off the site, USA included. Not a good sign.
Or IS it? Maybe they have a whole new model line waiting to be unveiled and we'll all live happily ever after.
conker249 wrote: I noticed some models were labeled," product unavailable" like the seraphim with bolt pistol and power sword and Kiryanov off the UK site a few days ago. Today they are just gone off the site, USA included. Not a good sign.
Or IS it? Maybe they have a whole new model line waiting to be unveiled and we'll all live happily ever after.
I emailed about it today, doubt ill get a response. Now to check back on the website and see what disappears. Only way to know if something did is pure model memorization. I'm up to the task
conker249 wrote: I emailed about it today, doubt ill get a response. Now to check back on the website and see what disappears. Only way to know if something did is pure model memorization. I'm up to the task
We await your verdict!
Go!!
(fully expecting conker to sit staring at website waiting for changes from this point)
conker249 wrote: I emailed about it today, doubt ill get a response. Now to check back on the website and see what disappears. Only way to know if something did is pure model memorization. I'm up to the task
I'll contribute to the depletion. Just ordered these:
Sisters of Battle Superior with Chainsword and Plasma Pistol
Part Code: 99060108087
Battle Sister with Blessed Banner
Part Code: 99060108089
Sisters of Battle Hospitaller
Part Code: 99060107067
conker249 wrote: I emailed about it today, doubt ill get a response. Now to check back on the website and see what disappears. Only way to know if something did is pure model memorization. I'm up to the task
We await your verdict!
Go!!
(fully expecting conker to sit staring at website waiting for changes from this point)
LOL, I was in the military, Im used to mundane tasks for hours on end. going to watch Monster university followed by World War Z, so......TOMORROW it begins
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Purifier wrote:Just ordered these: [...]
Battle Sister with Blessed Banner
Part Code: 99060108089
wat
They still had those in your region? I swear they've been gone from the UK shop for years. I was so lucky I still managed to snatch one off ebay and now you're telling me that other countries still had them available? After I e-mailed GWUK and they told me "sorry, we won't get those again, ever"?
Purifier wrote:Just ordered these: [...]
Battle Sister with Blessed Banner
Part Code: 99060108089
wat
They still had those in your region? I swear they've been gone from the UK shop for years. I was so lucky I still managed to snatch one off ebay and now you're telling me that other countries still had them available? After I e-mailed GWUK and they told me "sorry, we won't get those again, ever"?
My bad. That's actually the "Battle Sister with Imaginifer 1" - it just got re-branded for the new Codex because the true Banner Bearer is still OOP.
You can see the name change in the story if you click on the "Battle Sister with Imagifier 2" - which actually leads you to the newly dubbed "Battle Sister with Simulacrum Imperialis". It is linked to your "Banner Bearer" on the right side, but there it shows up with its original name.
These two minis were originally just two options for the same unit. Apparently they decided to split them up because the Banner Bearer is still in the Codex.
And let's be honest, does that look like a Banner to you?
In the words of Crocodile Dundee: "This is a banner!"
My bad. That's actually the "Battle Sister with Imaginifer 1" - it just got re-branded for the new Codex because the true Banner Bearer is still OOP.
You can see the name change in the story if you click on the "Battle Sister with Imagifier 2" - which actually leads you to the newly dubbed "Battle Sister with Simulacrum Imperialis". It is linked to your "Banner Bearer" on the right side, but there it shows up with its original name.
These two minis were originally just two options for the same unit. Apparently they decided to split them up because the Banner Bearer is still in the Codex.
And let's be honest, does that look like a Banner to you?
In the words of Crocodile Dundee: "This is a banner!"
I was actually considering making a proper banner for it, instead of the slip of paper. But this one has a helmet on. Which, incidently, is why I haven't built a proper sisters army yet, but only have bits and pieces. I hate their hairdo. I love their helmets. So I almost only want the helmeted ones, with a few exceptions. (The flamers with the mask are badass, and having one or two unhelmeted for superiors is pretty neat.)
That said, i helmet up all of my gks too. In the immortal words of Sgt Maj John Sixta,
"Cause of your failure to secure that helmet, you've jeopardized every Marine serving today! This is what happens when you don't enforce the grooming standards. The mens gets all relaxed. And then other standards fall. Devil dog here stops using his chin strap, goes over a bump, Kevlar goes flyin' off his head, and our protective posture is weakened."
Someone should ring up GW and say "I want to buy 75 of model X". Then if they say sorry we only have 32 in stock then you will know if they are being depleted. If they say yes, say, "Nevermind"!
The burnt cloth is a very neat idea, though I feel it's missing some insignia or writing or whatever.
Purifier wrote:I hate their hairdo.
But on a sidenote, it actually does seem to be the same sculpt - just with an added helmet, and the rather obvious modifications to the pole. The stance as well as the boltgun slung over her shoulder are identical.
I should clarify. I hate the hairdo of the *sculpts*. The concept art makes it look pretty awesome.
And yeah, it definitely is the same model, 'cept with the awesome helmet (the one that has the fleur sticking up.)
I like the cloth banner idea, but it suffers from the too-little-cloth-syndrome.
The cloth is very light, so it doesn't hang off the poles in the way a proper banner that size would, but rather sits on top of the poles.
Lynata wrote: The burnt cloth is a very neat idea, though I feel it's missing some insignia or writing or whatever. .
I thought about that, but couldn't really figure out a good way to put anything on there, so I decided to leave it plain with some "blood stains" that are really hard to see in that image, the fluff says it's now the battle robe of my Ordo Minoris's Saint Valenica. I dunno, suggestions on modifications? I can always improve certainly.
Lynata wrote: The burnt cloth is a very neat idea, though I feel it's missing some insignia or writing or whatever. .
I thought about that, but couldn't really figure out a good way to put anything on there, so I decided to leave it plain with some "blood stains" that are really hard to see in that image, the fluff says it's now the battle robe of my Ordo Minoris's Saint Valenica. I dunno, suggestions on modifications? I can always improve certainly.
If you can hang a bell or two or something like it at the bottom of it (preferably metal) it's gonna hold the banner at a better stretched out look. It could also be an idea to dig out your grandmother's sewing machine and run some stitches down the sides to close it up, so it doesn't have that cut out look.
Also, maybe add some bitz such as SM purity seals.
For actual insignia ... that's certainly tricky. I wonder how well it would work if you'd try to add a sort of "faded" symbol to the cloth that's only barely visible, so as to not ruin the entire thing with something that sticks out. Unfortunately, the only thing that springs to mind would be a piece of chalk, but I have no idea how long that would remain visible. With actual paint, even drybrushing could already be too much... although it may be worth a few experiments (not on the actual banner ofc, but on other pieces of cloth).
What you need is a Chinagraph Pencil for each colour you want to use. Just bear in mind that drawing and writing on cloth is an absolute nightmare unless it's REALLY tight, so I'd suggest getting an embroidery hoop and doing it before you cut the banner out.
Got a reply to my email to customer services. Apparently they're a bit bogged down right now, so it's taking them a while to respond to people.
As I was expecting, pretty much a non-answer. Basically said "New products are added and sometimes products are removed" and to check WD and the website’s daily blog for information on product releases.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see...
Oh, and also, two of the Seraphim superiors are actually still on the US site (though one is hidden and only shows up on the "have you got" bit")
Troike wrote: Got a reply to my email to customer services. Apparently they're a bit bogged down right now, so it's taking them a while to respond to people.
As I was expecting, pretty much a non-answer. Basically said "New products are added and sometimes products are removed" and to check WD and the website’s daily blog for information on product releases.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see...
Oh, and also, two of the Seraphim superiors are actually still on the US site (though one is hidden and only shows up on the "have you got" bit")
Funny, I sent an email about some model disappearances as well, this was the response I got
"
"Thanks for writing in to us, although I'm not sure why Kyrinov isn't appearing on the website. If you search for him on the website, it shows that he is available to add to cart. Looks like he is in stock with our warehouse as well.
Sorry for the confusion, but I hope this helps."
anyway, Tried again, and he is gone, cant search him either.
CloudRider wrote: @Melissia
So your saying if i fielded 500 points of orks (using codex)
You would be able to field 500 points of SOB (using codex)
And we could have a legitimate, rule-compliant battle?
Yes she could. Despite the lack of availability of the WD magazines, it is still a legitimate army. 500 points of Sisters might be hard to win with since 1/2 the points are spent on 20 T3 bolters and nothing else though. It's still a rule compliant army. What makes you think it's not?
Troike wrote: Got a reply to my email to customer services. Apparently they're a bit bogged down right now, so it's taking them a while to respond to people.
As I was expecting, pretty much a non-answer. Basically said "New products are added and sometimes products are removed" and to check WD and the website’s daily blog for information on product releases.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see...
Oh, and also, two of the Seraphim superiors are actually still on the US site (though one is hidden and only shows up on the "have you got" bit")
Funny, I sent an email about some model disappearances as well, this was the response I got
"
"Thanks for writing in to us, although I'm not sure why Kyrinov isn't appearing on the website. If you search for him on the website, it shows that he is available to add to cart. Looks like he is in stock with our warehouse as well.
Sorry for the confusion, but I hope this helps."
anyway, Tried again, and he is gone, cant search him either.
Huh. Looks like customer services has no idea what's happening, then.
Sounds like it could be a case of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing, though.
CloudRider wrote: @Melissia
So your saying if i fielded 500 points of orks (using codex)
You would be able to field 500 points of SOB (using codex)
And we could have a legitimate, rule-compliant battle?
Interesting, is something happening? Is the cold perhaps thawing? Ending the limbo the army, and by extension we have been stuck in? If so how shall it end do you think? Are we seeing the dawn of a new lease on life? Or is this as they say, the end? The final pruning of our favorite rose? If the latter how do you think they'll justify it in the fluff? GK need ALL the armor paint perhaps?
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Interesting, is something happening? Is the cold perhaps thawing? Ending the limbo the army, and by extension we have been stuck in? If so how shall it end do you think? Are we seeing the dawn of a new lease on life? Or is this as they say, the end? The final pruning of our favorite rose? If the latter how do you think they'll justify it in the fluff? GK need ALL the armor paint perhaps?
They don't need to . Genestealer cults are still in the fluff, even though you can't play them. Sisters can be too.
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Ooh, ooh, I know this one!!