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Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:33:56


Post by: Frazzled


Seriusly? This just wreaks of stupid. Please identify one time ONE TIME an M1 Garand or M1 carbine have been used in a crime in the last 50 years (the movie Thin Red Line does not count). note: The 250,000 weapons noted were M1 carbines from the KOREAN WAR. For You public school kids, that was back before your parents' parents were born. next we'll be going after Civil Enfields, because Yo Dog We gots to blast Some Peeople With Our MuSkets Yo!

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-gun-control-steps-130058025--politics.html


AP Exclusive: Obama offers new gun control steps.Like
WASHINGTON (AP) — Striving to take action where Congress would not, the Obama administration announced new steps Thursday on gun control, curbing the import of military surplus weapons and proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations.

Four months after a gun control drive collapsed spectacularly in the Senate, President Barack Obama added two more executive actions to a list of 23 steps the White House determined Obama could take on his own to reduce gun violence. With the political world focused on Mideast tensions and looming fiscal battles, the move signaled Obama's intent to show he hasn't lost sight of a cause he took up after 20 first graders and six adults were gunned down last year in an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities, where some may end up on the streets. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.
The Obama administration is also proposing a federal rule to stop those who would be ineligible to pass a background check from skirting the law by registering a gun to a corporation or trust. The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks as individuals if they want to register guns.

Vice President Joe Biden, Obama's point-man on gun control after the Newtown tragedy thrust guns into the national spotlight, was set to unveil the new actions Thursday at the White House.

The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities. A Senate deal to approve the president's pending nominations after Democrats threatened to change Senate rules cleared the way for Jones' confirmation last month.

Still out of reach for Obama were the steps that gun control advocates and the administration's own review say could most effectively combat gun violence in the U.S., like an assault weapons ban and fewer exceptions for background checks for individual sales. Only Congress can act on those fronts.

Although Obama and Biden have said the fight is not over, there is scant evidence that there is more support for gun control legislation than there was in April, when efforts died in the Senate amid staunch opposition from the National Rifle Association and most Republican senators.

"Sooner or later, we are going to get this right," Obama said that day in the White House Rose Garden, with the families of Newtown victims and former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — herself a victim of a gunman — at his side. "The memories of these children demand it, and so do the American people," the president said at the time.

In the months following the Senate vote, Biden has claimed that at a handful of lawmakers who opposed expanded background checks have told him privately they've changed their minds and want another chance. But Biden and White House officials have not named any of those lawmakers.

These days, Obama mentions gun control with far less regularity than when it appeared the Senate was poised to take action, although Obama did meet Tuesday with 18 city mayors to discuss ways to contain youth violence. And with immigration and pressing fiscal issues dominating Congress' agenda, the prospects for reviving gun legislation appear negligible.

With Jones' confirmation at ATF, the White House has completed or made significant progress on all but one of the 23 executive actions Obama had previously ordered in January, the White House said. Still lingering is an effort to finalize regulations to require insurers to cover mental health at parity with medical benefits, although the White House said that it is committed to making that happen by the end of 2013.

The new rules for guns registered to corporations will follow the traditional regulatory process, with a 90-day comment period before ATF reviews suggestions and finalizes the rule. Last year, ATF received 39,000 requests to register guns to corporations and trusts.



Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:36:45


Post by: SilverMK2


But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:39:16


Post by: Frazzled


 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...


But its not occurring. The govenrment can already stop or permit items. The only ones coming back in the last decade have been those M1 carbines and I think some Garands. Way to show your true colors there Obama.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:46:46


Post by: daedalus


I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:48:18


Post by: Ahtman


 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:49:52


Post by: Kanluwen


The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities.


I find that far more troubling.
It took SIX YEARS to fill the position of head of an agency.

I see absolutely nothing in this article singling out M1 Garands. I would love to see where you're getting the information that the only thing coming back into the US is M1 carbines and Garands.


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 Ahtman wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.

Snap.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:51:25


Post by: Frazzled


 Ahtman wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.


And warning stickers like the one we had once that said "don't insert knife in children." I'm so glad they told me, I never knew.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities.


I find that far more troubling.
It took SIX YEARS to fill the position of head of an agency.

I see absolutely nothing in this article singling out M1 Garands. I would love to see where you're getting the information that the only thing coming back into the US is M1 carbines and Garands.


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 Ahtman wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.

Snap.

They're not but thats the only that has been permitted back in the last decade.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:53:49


Post by: Ma55ter_fett


 Frazzled wrote:
 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...


But its not occurring. The govenrment can already stop or permit items. The only ones coming back in the last decade have been those M1 carbines and I think some Garands. Way to show your true colors there Obama.


I dunno... Source?

The article doesn't mention M1 garands or other weapons that I use to wholesale slaughter nazi's in "Call of Duty 2" or I would if I could find my copy of the game.... BUT I CAN'T BECAUSE OF OBAMA!


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:56:26


Post by: easysauce


yeah... when I saw them destroying all the surplus garands from korea instead of reselling them to the yanks... I was heartbroken...

then when they wouldnt even sell em to us canucks... I was even more so...

such a waste...

such uneducated mania driven fear from these anti gun nuts


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:56:59


Post by: Frazzled


No it doesn't. you have to do a little searching to see which firearms are at issue. Here's a bit.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/korean-m1s-still-in-limbo-new-bill-introduced-to-prevent-state-department-from-blocking-imports-2680620.html

Now the second EO I have absolutely no problem with.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 14:57:23


Post by: Kanluwen


 Frazzled wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.


And warning stickers like the one we had once that said "don't insert knife in children." I'm so glad they told me, I never knew.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities.


I find that far more troubling.
It took SIX YEARS to fill the position of head of an agency.

I see absolutely nothing in this article singling out M1 Garands. I would love to see where you're getting the information that the only thing coming back into the US is M1 carbines and Garands.


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 Ahtman wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.

Snap.

They're not but thats the only that has been permitted back in the last decade.

So wait, if the only thing being permitted back into the US is M1 carbines and Garands then there is some kind of information you must see that has suggested that private entities(which this rule is targeted at) are importing Garands and M1 carbines into the US.


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 Frazzled wrote:
No it doesn't. you have to do a little searching to see which firearms are at issue. Here's a bit.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/korean-m1s-still-in-limbo-new-bill-introduced-to-prevent-state-department-from-blocking-imports-2680620.html

Now the second EO I have absolutely no problem with.

That is one of the most blatant attempts at "Dey took our guns!" I've ever seen.

“There is a fear of average people owning guns,” said Erich Pratt, director of communications for Gun Owners of America. “The administration has been in many ways trying to slice and dice our rights from us. This was another attempt at doing so.”

“This is a political stunt on the part of the State Department, pure and simple, while denying the exercise of Second Amendment rights by law-abiding citizens, firearm collectors, and competitive marksman. The State Department has no business blocking domestic firearm ownership; they are way out of bounds and my legislation will put them back in their place,” she continued.


If you read what the article you originally posted says, this is just to prevent the importation by private entities. Museums and a "few other entities"(which are not named except for "the government") will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:04:59


Post by: Ma55ter_fett


So can you still buy new M1 Garands and Carbines in the US totaly legally but may have some troubles buying one that was used by the South Korean military 50-60 years ago and is being reimported?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:08:49


Post by: Spacemanvic


 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...


That doesnt happen.

In this country, purchase of FA firearms by civilians became illegal for any FA firearm made after 1986. So, re-import of modern military grade firearms does not occur in the US. Instead, those arms are sold to client states/international arms market. You can purchase a pre-1986 ban FA firearm provided you go through the NFA Class III process and purchase a $200 tax stamp, wait the 10 months for clearance, then spend the $10,000+ dollars for the most basic of 27 year old+ FA firearms.

Here's a link to see what you need to go through to acquire one of these weapons: http://targetworld.net/Steps%20for%20buying%20NFA%20%28Class%20III%20Weaponry%29%2011-3-07.pdf

This policy was written to appease the ignorant into thinking that the crackdown will do much of anything, other than increase the cost of FA arms in current circulation, or in the case of the M1 Garand, increase the cost/value of antique arms.


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Here are some firearms news websites to check out. The MSM puts out so much misinformation on firearms in general, its comical:

thegunwire.com
guns.com
ammoland.com
thetruthaboutguns.com

A good radio show to listen to is Guntalk:
http://guntalk.libsyn.com/ for his archived podcasts.



Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:14:02


Post by: whembly


Um...


Is that right?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:20:18


Post by: Spacemanvic


 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
So can you still buy new M1 Garands and Carbines in the US totaly legally but may have some troubles buying one that was used by the South Korean military 50-60 years ago and is being reimported?


Korean vintage M1 garand goes for well over $2000.

If you are a part of the Civilian Marksmanship program, M1s can be bought via auction here:
http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/m1garand.htm


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:28:18


Post by: Frazzled


 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
So can you still buy new M1 Garands and Carbines in the US totaly legally but may have some troubles buying one that was used by the South Korean military 50-60 years ago and is being reimported?


I'm not aware of anyone that makes complete M1s or carbines. Fulton rebuilds them, but some of the parts are OEM.
You can get them from the CMP-which is an entity of the government...ironical.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:39:02


Post by: xole


 whembly wrote:
Um...


Is that right?


It's standard practice that every president is to blame for all the faults that occured during their (hopefully) 4 or 8 year reign.

Of course, once the republicans advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice too.

EDIT:to, too


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:40:51


Post by: Spacemanvic


Century Arms won the contract to import the S. Korean M1s, but from what I've read, they will be below "Rack Grade" quality, and probably expensive. People have been waiting for the fabled "87,000" Garands since about 2008 LOL.......


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 xole wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Um...


Is that right?


It's standard practice that every president is to blame for all the faults that occured during their (hopefully) 4 or 8 year reign.

Of course, once the republicans advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to.


There currently is no difference between the Democrat or Republican parties....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:51:45


Post by: daedalus


 xole wrote:

Of course, once the republicans advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to.


What I think you meant to say is:

Of course, once either side of the two-party partisanship advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to(o).


Lest I remind you of how Bush caused 9/11, Bush caused Katrina, ad nauseum....

Repeat after me: Neither party is flawless, neither party is perfect, neither party has your (or my) interests or well-being at heart.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:53:36


Post by: Howard A Treesong


If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 15:59:46


Post by: Frazzled


 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.


And in the spirit of international cooperation, I'd love a decent Enfield. I have have two cans of surplus .303 with no rifle to go all Mad Minute with.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:08:32


Post by: easysauce


 Frazzled wrote:
 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.


And in the spirit of international cooperation, I'd love a decent Enfield. I have have two cans of surplus .303 with no rifle to go all Mad Minute with.


lol... come up to canuckistan... tons of longbranch enfeilds and such up here,

trade you for a garand


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:12:07


Post by: Spacemanvic


I have an Imperial German 1915 Erfurt kar 98A that is my primary deer rifle 8mm Mauser ammo is not cheap, even to reload I'd love to get an M1 to match it.....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:28:17


Post by: xole


 daedalus wrote:
 xole wrote:

Of course, once the republicans advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to.


What I think you meant to say is:

Of course, once either side of the two-party partisanship advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to(o).


Lest I remind you of how Bush caused 9/11, Bush caused Katrina, ad nauseum....

Repeat after me: Neither party is flawless, neither party is perfect, neither party has your (or my) interests or well-being at heart.


I never said they were. Republicans never made snappy pictures mocking the people who said everything was Bush's fault.

Repeat after me: Insulting one side is not the same as liking the other. There are more than two sides to every problem and my tiny monkey brain cannot conceive that. People are complex things and I shouldn't prejudge people based on tiny aspects of them. I think it's rude to tell other people to repeat things in an I'm right you're wrong sort of way, and I hope the great Cthulhu will smite me where I sit.

And I stand by my previous statement. Except for the (to, too) thing. Missed that one, thanks.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:29:54


Post by: daedalus


 xole wrote:

I never said they were. Republicans never made snappy pictures mocking the people who said everything was Bush's fault.


Well, most old people afraid of change and science aren't good with computers.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:37:06


Post by: xole


 daedalus wrote:
 xole wrote:

I never said they were. Republicans never made snappy pictures mocking the people who said everything was Bush's fault.


Well, most old people afraid of change and science aren't good with computers.


Hence why I said they were stuck in the bronze age.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:39:05


Post by: Ouze


 Frazzled wrote:
Seriusly? This just wreaks of stupid. Please identify one time ONE TIME an M1 Garand or M1 carbine have been used in a crime in the last 50 years (the movie Thin Red Line does not count).


challenge accepted

spiking the ball, now!

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.


Amen, brother. That and the 1911 are just fine, fine hardware. I would love to own either the Garand or the Carbine.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:42:59


Post by: Seaward


 Spacemanvic wrote:
 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...


That doesnt happen.

In this country, purchase of FA firearms by civilians became illegal for any FA firearm made after 1986. So, re-import of modern military grade firearms does not occur in the US. Instead, those arms are sold to client states/international arms market. You can purchase a pre-1986 ban FA firearm provided you go through the NFA Class III process and purchase a $200 tax stamp, wait the 10 months for clearance, then spend the $10,000+ dollars for the most basic of 27 year old+ FA firearms.

Here's a link to see what you need to go through to acquire one of these weapons: http://targetworld.net/Steps%20for%20buying%20NFA%20%28Class%20III%20Weaponry%29%2011-3-07.pdf

This policy was written to appease the ignorant into thinking that the crackdown will do much of anything, other than increase the cost of FA arms in current circulation, or in the case of the M1 Garand, increase the cost/value of antique arms

Thanks. Saved me from having to post this.

The uninformed, as we've seen in this thread, will go, "Haha, good show! You shouldn't be able to buy modern military guns, anyway!" The actual circumstances are, of course, wildly different, but people who buy this ain't gonna suddenly start caring about reality.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:46:43


Post by: Kanluwen


If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:49:25


Post by: Frazzled


 Ouze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Seriusly? This just wreaks of stupid. Please identify one time ONE TIME an M1 Garand or M1 carbine have been used in a crime in the last 50 years (the movie Thin Red Line does not count).


challenge accepted

spiking the ball, now!

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.


Amen, brother. That and the 1911 are just fine, fine hardware. I would love to own either the Garand or the Carbine.


To be fair, you did find one. The Google Force is indeed strong with this one...
One
Fifteen years ago.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Wow its like someone already mentioned the CMP. I wonder who that could have been...


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 16:53:07


Post by: Kanluwen


 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Wow its like someone already mentioned the CMP. I wonder who that could have been...

You are the one who is all doom and gloom about this, yet is ignoring the fact that the only change is from private entities being able to buy the guns.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:00:54


Post by: Seaward


 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.

Mention it again, you mean? Yes, let's.

No idea what that has to do with clueless people believing this'll stop folks from getting their hands on imported SAWs, though.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:02:42


Post by: Kanluwen


 Seaward wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.

Mention it again, you mean? Yes, let's.

No idea what that has to do with clueless people believing this'll stop folks from getting their hands on imported SAWs, though.

Rather than bitching and moaning about the "clueless people" why not try educating people?

There is a perceived "Us and Them" mentality between gun owners and non-gun owners. Don't let mouthpieces like the NRA be the only way people find out about firearms.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:02:48


Post by: Frazzled


Exactly. How is this supposed to help anything...oh yea its not...


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:13:59


Post by: Spacemanvic


 Frazzled wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Seriusly? This just wreaks of stupid. Please identify one time ONE TIME an M1 Garand or M1 carbine have been used in a crime in the last 50 years (the movie Thin Red Line does not count).


challenge accepted

spiking the ball, now!

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.


Amen, brother. That and the 1911 are just fine, fine hardware. I would love to own either the Garand or the Carbine.


To be fair, you did find one. The Google Force is indeed strong with this one...
One
Fifteen years ago.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Wow its like someone already mentioned the CMP. I wonder who that could have been...


Oh, that would have been me 1 page ago:


If you are a part of the Civilian Marksmanship program, M1s can be bought via auction here:
http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/m1garand.htm



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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Wow its like someone already mentioned the CMP. I wonder who that could have been...

You are the one who is all doom and gloom about this, yet is ignoring the fact that the only change is from private entities being able to buy the guns.


Question for ya:
What is the purpose of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:20:07


Post by: Alfndrate


 Ouze wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Seriusly? This just wreaks of stupid. Please identify one time ONE TIME an M1 Garand or M1 carbine have been used in a crime in the last 50 years (the movie Thin Red Line does not count).


challenge accepted

spiking the ball, now!

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.


Amen, brother. That and the 1911 are just fine, fine hardware. I would love to own either the Garand or the Carbine.

I love my 1911, best purchase ever!

Also, those were both technically the M1 Carbines yes? Not garands no? I mean I like the post and the sentiment, but it wouldn't be the internet if someone didn't argue semantics


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:22:16


Post by: Kanluwen


 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Wow its like someone already mentioned the CMP. I wonder who that could have been...

You are the one who is all doom and gloom about this, yet is ignoring the fact that the only change is from private entities being able to buy the guns.


Question for ya:
What is the purpose of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution?

Do you want the actual intended purpose?

It was to establish a well-regulated milita that would be set up as a response to the potentiality of the nascent government becoming as tyrannical as the one they just got out from under and to provide a measure of security for what was at the time a developing frontier.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:24:56


Post by: Spacemanvic


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.

Mention it again, you mean? Yes, let's.

No idea what that has to do with clueless people believing this'll stop folks from getting their hands on imported SAWs, though.

Rather than bitching and moaning about the "clueless people" why not try educating people?

There is a perceived "Us and Them" mentality between gun owners and non-gun owners. Don't let mouthpieces like the NRA be the only way people find out about firearms.


Oh, it's not perceived. It's between the gun owners and the non-gun owners who want to confiscate firearms. A quick perusal of online news gives ample evidence of it. Also, the stupidity stumbling from the mouth of OhBaMuh and his administration gives credence to the worry gun owners have. It's not paranoia if they really are after you.

Also, while the NRA is the largest organization, there is also the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), and the Gun Owners of America (GOA). These are the only three reputable gun-rights groups in the US.

Here's a good video:




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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Wow its like someone already mentioned the CMP. I wonder who that could have been...

You are the one who is all doom and gloom about this, yet is ignoring the fact that the only change is from private entities being able to buy the guns.


Question for ya:
What is the purpose of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution?

Do you want the actual intended purpose?

It was to establish a well-regulated milita that would be set up as a response to the potentiality of the nascent government becoming as tyrannical as the one they just got out from under and to provide a measure of security for what was at the time a developing frontier.


Please define well-regulated? Also, define militia. FYI, you are on the hook.....And use the historical context of the words when defining them please....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:34:43


Post by: ironicsilence


 Frazzled wrote:
Exactly. How is this supposed to help anything...oh yea its not...


It helps Obama's claim to do something about gun control....the gun control debate isnt about saving lifes or protecting the 2nd amendment rights, its about appearance and this move is some "gun control" that obama can push forward without congress doing anything thus allowing Obama to say hes cracking down


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:35:34


Post by: Kanluwen


 Spacemanvic wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.

Mention it again, you mean? Yes, let's.

No idea what that has to do with clueless people believing this'll stop folks from getting their hands on imported SAWs, though.

Rather than bitching and moaning about the "clueless people" why not try educating people?

There is a perceived "Us and Them" mentality between gun owners and non-gun owners. Don't let mouthpieces like the NRA be the only way people find out about firearms.


Oh, it's not perceived. It's between the gun owners and the non-gun owners who want to confiscate firearms. A quick perusal of online news gives ample evidence of it. Also, the stupidity stumbling from the mouth of OhBaMuh and his administration gives credence to the worry gun owners have. It's not paranoia if they really are after you.

Also, while the NRA is the largest organization, there is also the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), and the Gun Owners of America (GOA). These are the only three reputable gun-rights groups in the US.

"Reputable" is a question in and of itself when it comes to organizations that have members who go on record like the GOA did in the link Frazzled gave.

 Kanluwen wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.


Wow its like someone already mentioned the CMP. I wonder who that could have been...

You are the one who is all doom and gloom about this, yet is ignoring the fact that the only change is from private entities being able to buy the guns.


Question for ya:
What is the purpose of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution?

Do you want the actual intended purpose?

It was to establish a well-regulated milita that would be set up as a response to the potentiality of the nascent government becoming as tyrannical as the one they just got out from under and to provide a measure of security for what was at the time a developing frontier.


Please define a well-regulated militia?

The generally accepted terminology for "well-regulated" was a group that trained regularly.
Also, define militia. FYI, you are on the hook.....

Defining a "militia" depends on the group in question you are referring to.

There's the more general definition of "a group of citizens who are enrolled for military service and called out to train regularly but are expected to actually serve in the case of emergencies".

Then there is the other definition of "a group of citizens who are organized in a paramilitary group who regard themselves as the defenders of individual rights against perceived encroachments by the federal government".


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:37:09


Post by: Seaward


 Kanluwen wrote:
Rather than bitching and moaning about the "clueless people" why not try educating people?

There is a perceived "Us and Them" mentality between gun owners and non-gun owners. Don't let mouthpieces like the NRA be the only way people find out about firearms.

None of this stuff is arcane knowledge hidden in a forgotten temple or anything. If people actually cared to learn, it would not be remotely difficult.

But then their ideology might have to change to align with the facts, and if one thing's been proven, it's that people much prefer to run around spouting bs about "military-style" weapons and how crazy it is that eight year-olds can buy miniguns at Walmart.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:38:11


Post by: ironicsilence


Also not sure what arguing over the meaning of 200+ year old words will solve. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to ensure the people are adequately armed to deal with the government if it becomes a tyranny


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:38:32


Post by: Seaward


 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you want the actual intended purpose?

It was to establish a well-regulated milita that would be set up as a response to the potentiality of the nascent government becoming as tyrannical as the one they just got out from under and to provide a measure of security for what was at the time a developing frontier.

Nope.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:40:06


Post by: Spacemanvic


Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:41:07


Post by: ironicsilence


 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


your clearly trying to make a point so instead of trying to draw him into saying whatever it is your looking for....why not just share your point?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:43:37


Post by: Frazzled


 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:44:21


Post by: Spacemanvic


 ironicsilence wrote:
Also not sure what arguing over the meaning of 200+ year old words will solve. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to ensure the people are adequately armed to deal with the government if it becomes a tyranny


It makes every difference, especially in context of law, of which the Constitution is the "supreme law of the land".

The anti's would have you believe that "militia" meant only a government body and that "well regulated" meant controlled.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:44:53


Post by: Alfndrate


 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.

Must we own land as well sir?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:45:45


Post by: ironicsilence


 Spacemanvic wrote:
 ironicsilence wrote:
Also not sure what arguing over the meaning of 200+ year old words will solve. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to ensure the people are adequately armed to deal with the government if it becomes a tyranny


It makes every difference, especially in context of law, of which the Constitution is the "supreme law of the land".

The anti's would have you believe that "militia" meant only a government body and that "well regulated" meant controlled.


is that your point? Are you trying to get Kan to tell you if he thinks well regulated militias should be controlled by the government?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:46:04


Post by: Spacemanvic


 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.


Thank you Frazzled.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:46:44


Post by: Kanluwen


 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.

That's one of FOUR definitions.

So if you want to play the "context", I suggest you get your learning on.


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 Spacemanvic wrote:
 ironicsilence wrote:
Also not sure what arguing over the meaning of 200+ year old words will solve. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to ensure the people are adequately armed to deal with the government if it becomes a tyranny


It makes every difference, especially in context of law, of which the Constitution is the "supreme law of the land".

The anti's would have you believe that "militia" meant only a government body and that "well regulated" meant controlled.

Nowhere once did I mention anything of those two concepts.

So please, keep your words out of my mouth.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:48:22


Post by: ironicsilence


 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.


I saw a movie once where a free male signed over his slave to the militia


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:49:24


Post by: Spacemanvic


 ironicsilence wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


your clearly trying to make a point so instead of trying to draw him into saying whatever it is your looking for....why not just share your point?


Im abiding by what Kanluwen wanted:
Rather than bitching and moaning about the "clueless people" why not try educating people?


Hence, the schooling....


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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.

That's one of FOUR definitions.

So if you want to play the "context", I suggest you get your learning on.


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 Spacemanvic wrote:
 ironicsilence wrote:
Also not sure what arguing over the meaning of 200+ year old words will solve. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to ensure the people are adequately armed to deal with the government if it becomes a tyranny


It makes every difference, especially in context of law, of which the Constitution is the "supreme law of the land".

The anti's would have you believe that "militia" meant only a government body and that "well regulated" meant controlled.

Nowhere once did I mention anything of those two concepts.

So please, keep your words out of my mouth.

Your tenor telegraphs your punches....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:51:39


Post by: Kanluwen


 Spacemanvic wrote:
 ironicsilence wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


your clearly trying to make a point so instead of trying to draw him into saying whatever it is your looking for....why not just share your point?


Im abiding by what Kanluwen wanted:
Rather than bitching and moaning about the "clueless people" why not try educating people?


Hence, the schooling....

If you want to talk about "schooling", how about you go look up the definition of "militia"?

There is no single "historical context" for the term "militia" outside of an army or fighting force composed of non-professional soldiery drawn from the citizenship.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:54:24


Post by: Alfndrate


I prefer the term "rebel fighters" to "milita"


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:55:27


Post by: Spacemanvic


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
 ironicsilence wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


your clearly trying to make a point so instead of trying to draw him into saying whatever it is your looking for....why not just share your point?


Im abiding by what Kanluwen wanted:
Rather than bitching and moaning about the "clueless people" why not try educating people?


Hence, the schooling....

If you want to talk about "schooling", how about you go look up the definition of "militia"?

There is no single "historical context" for the term "militia" outside of an army or fighting force composed of non-professional soldiery drawn from the citizenship.


Here, read this:

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

Pretty much answers all.....

Anyway, back to topic:

OhBahMuh's policy accomplishes nothing for it's stated intent (curb violence on the street), but does further curtail an individuals right by eliminating the supply as well as increase the cost to certain weaponry that would otherwise be legal to obtain.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 17:57:37


Post by: ironicsilence


the government buying all the bullets up makes me more grumpy then not allowing the import of M1s


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:02:29


Post by: Kanluwen


That figures. As soon as they get schooled on their logic, they immediately start proclaiming to "get back on topic".


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:03:17


Post by: Frazzled


 Alfndrate wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.

Must we own land as well sir?


And verily! I don't think indentured servants were included, and I'd bet good money slaves sure weren't...


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 ironicsilence wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.


I saw a movie once where a free male signed over his slave to the militia


Mail isn't free, it costs me $.33!
I'm using the common law definition of the framers at the time of the Constitution.

"The State militia consists of all able-bodied persons
residing in the State except those exempted by law."
-Illinois Constitution

"“Every able-bodied freeman, between the ages of 16 and 50 is enrolled in the militia. …. In every county is a county lieutenant, who commands the whole militia of his county. …. The governor is the head of the military, as well as the civil power. The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service.”
"
-Thomas Jefferson (yea that guy)




Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:09:37


Post by: djones520


Oh good, a new gun control thread. Now I don't have to create one to share this.

http://usfinancepost.com/harvard-gun-control-does-not-reduce-crime-6179.html

New from Harvard. Gun Control doesn't control crime.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:18:11


Post by: Alfndrate


 Spacemanvic wrote:
OhBahMuh's policy accomplishes nothing for it's stated intent (curb violence on the street), but does further curtail an individuals right by eliminating the supply as well as increase the cost to certain weaponry that would otherwise be legal to obtain.

Can we actually refer to the man by his legal name? You may not like him, you may not what he's done, but you should still afford the President of our country the respect his office affords him, a simple level of respect like spelling his name correctly.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:42:34


Post by: Gentleman_Jellyfish


 Alfndrate wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
OhBahMuh's policy accomplishes nothing for it's stated intent (curb violence on the street), but does further curtail an individuals right by eliminating the supply as well as increase the cost to certain weaponry that would otherwise be legal to obtain.

Can we actually refer to the man by his legal name? You may not like him, you may not what he's done, but you should still afford the President of our country the respect his office affords him, a simple level of respect like spelling his name correctly.


Nope


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:45:23


Post by: Frazzled


Am i the only one who thought the VEEP episode with FDOTUS was awesome?

"STOP SAYING FDOTUS!"


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:51:33


Post by: whembly


 djones520 wrote:
Oh good, a new gun control thread. Now I don't have to create one to share this.

http://usfinancepost.com/harvard-gun-control-does-not-reduce-crime-6179.html

New from Harvard. Gun Control doesn't control crime.

Even the CDC stated that gun control won't stop gun crimes.

Just throwing that out...




Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:51:58


Post by: Spacemanvic


 Frazzled wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Kanluwen, use the historical context for militia please....


All free males of adult age.

Must we own land as well sir?


And verily! I don't think indentured servants were included, and I'd bet good money slaves sure weren't...


There were camps that suggested freeing the slaves, or at least giving them citizenship, but those voices were quelled as it was feared that support from the landed gentry would disappear for the cause. The view of slaves in the American Colonies was a very complex issue because the nascent country needed all colonies united in order to stand up to England. Slaves did serve both the Colonial and British sides during the war, in the hopes of attaining their freedom, which some did.

Before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, citizens of the states were automatically considered citizens of the United States. In 1857, the Dred Scott v. Sanford decision had held that no black of African descent (even a freed black) could be a citizen of the United States. The Fourteenth Amendment was necessary to overturn Dred Scott and to settle the question of the citizenship of the newly freed slaves. The Fourteenth Amendment made United States citizenship primary and state citizenship derivative. The primacy of federal citizenship made it impossible for states to prevent former slaves from becoming United States citizens by withholding state citizenship. States could no longer prevent any black from United States citizenship or from state citizenship either. All Amendments then applied to the former slaves.

indentured servants were not considered slaves, they were "contract" employees that had to fulfill their contract in order to leave the employ of their sponsors.


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 Alfndrate wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
OhBahMuh's policy accomplishes nothing for it's stated intent (curb violence on the street), but does further curtail an individuals right by eliminating the supply as well as increase the cost to certain weaponry that would otherwise be legal to obtain.

Can we actually refer to the man by his legal name? You may not like him, you may not what he's done, but you should still afford the President of our country the respect his office affords him, a simple level of respect like spelling his name correctly.


Just as soon as he respects the Constitution, religion and the Second Amendment.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 18:59:53


Post by: xole


What's he done against religion?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:05:36


Post by: Spacemanvic


 xole wrote:
What's he done against religion?


Start a different thread.....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:05:47


Post by: easysauce


 whembly wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Oh good, a new gun control thread. Now I don't have to create one to share this.

http://usfinancepost.com/harvard-gun-control-does-not-reduce-crime-6179.html

New from Harvard. Gun Control doesn't control crime.

Even the CDC stated that gun control won't stop gun crimes.

Just throwing that out...





any study, no matter who commisioned it, or how accurate it is, that doesnt equate guns to being evil and bad 100% of the time is just wrong, and should be ignored.


why would a harvard study, commisioned by the government (with a harvard grad POTUS), be a reliable source?

just keep listening the the completely discredited "studies" that keep repeating ad nauseum "owning guns make you 20x more likly to die from them or kill with them"


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:08:37


Post by: Frazzled


I see what you did there!


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:15:20


Post by: whembly


 Frazzled wrote:
I see what you did there!

Me to!

When will the govmint introduct laws to stop the injury related coke+methol?



Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:18:21


Post by: Grey Templar


We should ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! It kills hundreds of people every year!


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:19:12


Post by: xole


 Spacemanvic wrote:
 xole wrote:
What's he done against religion?


Start a different thread.....


You bring it up you back it up.

Unless you can't.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:27:03


Post by: Gentleman_Jellyfish


 Grey Templar wrote:
We should ban Dihydrogen Monoxide! It kills hundreds of people every year!


Oh god! Even children?!


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:37:10


Post by: Frazzled


Especially children! Won't someone think of the children!


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:38:47


Post by: Gentleman_Jellyfish


 Frazzled wrote:
Especially children! Won't someone think of the children!


I literally can't stop thinking of the children!!


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:39:50


Post by: daedalus


 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Especially children! Won't someone think of the children!


I literally can't stop thinking of the children!!


Creepy


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 19:48:08


Post by: Gentleman_Jellyfish


 daedalus wrote:
 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
Especially children! Won't someone think of the children!


I literally can't stop thinking of the children!!


Creepy




Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 20:03:53


Post by: Spacemanvic


 xole wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
 xole wrote:
What's he done against religion?


Start a different thread.....


You bring it up you back it up.

Unless you can't.


1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

June 2013 – The Obama Department of Justice defunds a Young Marines chapter in Louisiana because their oath mentioned God, and another youth program because it permits a voluntary student-led prayer. [1]

February 2013 – The Obama Administration announces that the rights of religious conscience for individuals will not be protected under the Affordable Care Act. [2]

January 2013 – Pastor Louie Giglio is pressured to remove himself from praying at the inauguration after it is discovered he once preached a sermon supporting the Biblical definition of marriage. [3]

February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. [4]

January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. [5]

December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. [6]

November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [7]

November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. [8]

August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. [9]

April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. [10]

February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. [11]

January 2011 – After a federal law was passed to transfer a WWI Memorial in the Mojave Desert to private ownership, the U. S. Supreme Court ruled that the cross in the memorial could continue to stand, but the Obama administration refused to allow the land to be transferred as required by law, and refused to allow the cross to be re-erected as ordered by the Court. [12]

November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law. [13]

October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. [14]

May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. [15]

April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus' name be covered when he is making his speech. [16]

April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. [17]

February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. [18]

April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren't like them.” [19]

2. Acts of hostility from the Obama-led military toward people of Biblical faith:

August 2013 - A Department of Defense military training manual teaches soldiers that people who talk about "individual liberties, states' rights, and how to make the world a better place" are"extremists." It also lists the Founding Fathers -- those "colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule" -- as examples of those involved in "extremist ideologies and movements." [20]

August 2013 - A Senior Master Sergeant was removed from his position and reassigned because he told his openly lesbian squadron commander that she should not punish a staff sergeant who expressed his views in favor of traditional marriage. [21]

August 2013 - The military does not provide heterosexual couples specific paid leave to travel to a state just for the purpose of being married, but it did extend these benefits to homosexual couples who want to marry, thus giving them preferential treatment not available to heterosexuals. [22]

August 2013 - The Air Force, in the midst of having launched a series of attacks against those expressing traditional religious or moral views, invited a drag queen group to perform at a base. [23]

July 2013 - When an Air Force sergeant with years of military service questioned a same-sex marriage ceremony performed at the Air Force Academy's chapel, he received a letter of reprimand telling him that if he disagreed, he needed to get out of the military. His current six-year reenlistment was then reduced to only one-year, with the notification that he "be prepared to retire at the end of this year." [24]

July 2013 - An Air Force chaplain who posted a website article on the importance of faith and the origin of the phrase "There are no atheists in foxholes" was officially ordered to remove his post because some were offended by the use of that famous World War II phrase. [25]

June 2013 - The U. S. Air Force, in consultation with the Pentagon, removed an inspirational painting that for years has been hanging at Mountain Home Air Force Base because its title was "Blessed Are The Peacemakers" -- a phrase from Matthew 5:9 in the Bible. [26]

June 2013 – The Obama administration “strongly objects” to a Defense Authorization amendment to protect the constitutionally-guaranteed religious rights of soldiers and chaplains, claiming that it would have an “adverse effect on good order, discipline, morale, and mission accomplishment.” [27]

May 2013 - The Pentagon announces that "Air Force members are free to express their personal religious beliefs as long as it does not make others uncomfortable. "Proselytizing (inducing someone to convert to one's faith) goes over that line," [28] affirming if a sharing of faith makes someone feel uncomfortable that it could be a court-marital offense [29] -- the military equivalent of a civil felony.

May 2013 - An Air Force officer was actually made to remove a personal Bible from his own desk because it "might" appear that he was condoning the particular religion to which he belonged. [30]

April 2013 – Officials briefing U.S. Army soldiers placed "Evangelical Christianity" and "Catholicism" in a list that also included Al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas as examples of "religious extremism." [31]

April 2013 – The U.S. Army directs troops to scratch off and paint over tiny Scripture verse references that for decades had been forged into weapon scopes. [32]

April 2013 - The Air Force creates a "religious tolerance" policy but consults only a militant atheist group to do so -- a group whose leader has described military personnel who are religious as 'spiritual rapists' and 'human monsters' [33] and who also says that soldiers who proselytize are guilty of treason and sedition and should be punished to hold back a "tidal wave of fundamentalists." [34]

January 2013 – President Obama announced his opposition to a provision in the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act protecting the rights of conscience for military chaplains. [35]

June 2012 – Bibles for the American military have been printed in every conflict since the American Revolution, but the Obama Administration revokes the long-standing U. S. policy of allowing military service emblems to be placed on those military Bibles. [36]

May 2012 – The Obama administration opposed legislation to protect the rights of conscience for military chaplains who do not wish to perform same-sex marriages in violation of their strongly-held religious beliefs. [37]

April 2012 – A checklist for Air Force Inns will no longer include ensuring that a Bible is available in rooms for those who want to use them. [38]

February 2012 – The U. S. Military Academy at West Point disinvites three star Army general and decorated war hero Lieutenant General William G. (“Jerry”) Boykin (retired) from speaking at an event because he is an outspoken Christian. [39]

February 2012 – The Air Force removes “God” from the patch of Rapid Capabilities Office (the word on the patch was in Latin: Dei). [40]

February 2012 – The Army ordered Catholic chaplains not to read a letter to parishioners that their archbishop asked them to read. [41]

November 2011 – The Air Force Academy rescinds support for Operation Christmas Child, a program to send holiday gifts to impoverished children across the world, because the program is run by a Christian charity. [42]

November 2011 – Even while restricting and disapprobating Christian religious expressions, the Air Force Academy pays $80,000 to add a Stonehenge-like worship center for pagans, druids, witches and Wiccans at the Air Force Academy. [43]

September 2011 – Air Force Chief of Staff prohibits commanders from notifying airmen of programs and services available to them from chaplains. [44]

September 2011 – The Army issues guidelines for Walter Reed Medical Center stipulating that “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading materials and/or facts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.” [45]

August 2011 – The Air Force stops teaching the Just War theory to officers in California because the course is taught by chaplains and is based on a philosophy introduced by St. Augustine in the third century AD – a theory long taught by civilized nations across the world (except now, America). [46]

June 2011 – The Department of Veterans Affairs forbids references to God and Jesus during burial ceremonies at Houston National Cemetery. [47]

January 2010 – Because of "concerns" raised by the Department of Defense, tiny Bible verse references that had appeared for decades on scopes and gunsights were removed. [48]

3. Acts of hostility toward Biblical values:

August 2013 - Non-profit charitable hospitals, especially faith-based ones, will face large fines or lose their tax-exempt status if they don't comply with new strangling paperwork requirements related to giving free treatment to poor clients who do not have Obamacare insurance coverage. [49] Ironically, the first hospital in America was founded as a charitable institution in 1751 by Benjamin Franklin, and its logo was the Good Samaritan, with Luke 10:35 inscribed below him: "Take care of him, and I will repay thee," being designed specifically to offer free medical care to the poor. [50] Benjamin Franklin's hospital would likely be fined unless he placed more resources and funds into paperwork rather than helping the poor under the new faith-hostile policy of the Obama administration.

August 2013 - USAID, a federal government agency, shut down a conference in South Korea the night before it was scheduled to take place because some of the presentations were not pro-abortion but instead presented information on abortion complications, including the problems of "preterm births, mental health issues, and maternal mortality" among women giving birth who had previous abortions. [51]

June 2013 – The Obama Administration finalizes requirements that under the Obamacare insurance program, employers must make available abortion-causing drugs, regardless of the religious conscience objections of many employers and even despite the directive of several federal courts to protect the religious conscience of employers. [52]

April 2013 – The United States Agency for Internal Development (USAID), an official foreign policy agency of the U.S. government, begins a program to train homosexual activists in various countries around the world to overturn traditional marriage and anti-sodomy laws, targeting first those countries with strong Catholic influences, including Ecuador, Honduras, and Guatemala. [53]

December 2012 – Despite having campaigned to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, President Obama once again suspends the provisions of the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 which requires the United States to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and to move the American Embassy there. [54]

July 2012 - The Pentagon, for the first time, allows service members to wear their uniforms while marching in a parade - specifically, a gay pride parade in San Diego. [55]

October 2011 – The Obama administration eliminates federal grants to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops for their extensive programs that aid victims of human trafficking because the Catholic Church is anti-abortion. [56]

September 2011 – The Pentagon directs that military chaplains may perform same-sex marriages at military facilities in violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [57]

July 2011 – Obama allows homosexuals to serve openly in the military, reversing a policy originally instituted by George Washington in March 1778. [58]

March 2011 – The Obama administration refuses to investigate videos showing Planned Parenthood helping alleged sex traffickers get abortions for victimized underage girls. [59]

February 2011 – Obama directs the Justice Department to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [60]

September 2010 – The Obama administration tells researchers to ignore a judge’s decision striking down federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. [61]

August 2010 – The Obama administration Cuts funding for 176 abstinence education programs. [62]

July 2010 – The Obama administration uses federal funds in violation of federal law to get Kenya to change its constitution to include abortion. [63]

September 16, 2009 – The Obama administration appoints as EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum, who asserts that society should “not tolerate” any “private beliefs,” including religious beliefs, if they may negatively affect homosexual “equality.” [64]

July 2009 – The Obama administration illegally extends federal benefits to same-sex partners of Foreign Service and Executive Branch employees, in direction violation of the federal Defense of Marriage Act. [65]

May 2009 – The White House budget eliminates all funding for abstinence-only education and replaces it with “comprehensive” sexual education, repeatedly proven to increase teen pregnancies and abortions. [66] He continues the deletion in subsequent budgets. [67]

May 2009 – Obama officials assemble a terrorism dictionary calling pro-life advocates violent and charging that they use racism in their “criminal” activities. [68]

March 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. [69]

March 2009 – Obama orders taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research. [70]

March 2009 – Obama gave $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that promotes abortion and works closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations. [71]

January 2009 – Obama lifts restrictions on U.S. government funding for groups that provide abortion services or counseling abroad, forcing taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. [72]

January 2009 – President Obama’s nominee for deputy secretary of state asserts that American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions and that limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional. [73]

The links are at the bottom of this page:

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=106938


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 20:24:47


Post by: Ouze


 Frazzled wrote:
Am i the only one who thought the VEEP episode with FDOTUS was awesome?

"STOP SAYING FDOTUS!"


I thought damn near every episode of Veep was awesome.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 20:46:36


Post by: Alfndrate


You're never gonna make FDOTUS happen

#meanVEEPs and... #YOLO for good measure


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 20:54:19


Post by: daedalus


 Spacemanvic wrote:

June 2013 – The Obama Department of Justice defunds a Young Marines chapter in Louisiana because their oath mentioned God, and another youth program because it permits a voluntary student-led prayer. [1]

I do not think that public money should fund organizations with religious elements in them. I don't think the BSA gets money from the feds.

February 2013 – The Obama Administration announces that the rights of religious conscience for individuals will not be protected under the Affordable Care Act. [2]

Hah. Right. You mean that business owners can't opt out of the contraception in insurance plans for their employees as part of THEIR moral beliefs, regardless of what the individual who's under the plan actually believes or wishes. This one is sickeningly falsely worded.

January 2013 – Pastor Louie Giglio is pressured to remove himself from praying at the inauguration after it is discovered he once preached a sermon supporting the Biblical definition of marriage. [3]

This is political tap-dance, and doesn't reflect any actual policy or thought beyond "he said something years ago that doesn't reflect the current talking-points".

February 2012 – The Obama administration forgives student loans in exchange for public service, but announces it will no longer forgive student loans if the public service is related to religion. [4]

Public service designed to benefit a specific subset of people as determined by belief is not public.

January 2012 – The Obama administration argues that the First Amendment provides no protection for churches and synagogues in hiring their pastors and rabbis. [5]

Uh, the church won the ability to fire a pastor. I'm not sure how that at attack on religion or a "bad thing". Seems like something you'd want to have.

December 2011 – The Obama administration denigrates other countries' religious beliefs as an obstacle to radical homosexual rights. [6]

Whether they should have those rights beside the point, when your religion says "kill gays," and you kill gays in the name of said religion, well, your religious beliefs ARE an obstacle to "radical" (whatever that actually means here) homosexual rights, aren't they?

November 2011 – President Obama opposes inclusion of President Franklin Roosevelt’s famous D-Day Prayer in the WWII Memorial. [7]

Officially, no, he didn't. http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/fdrprayer.asp

Bill didn't make it to him: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr2070

Looks like they're trying it again though.

November 2011 – Unlike previous presidents, Obama studiously avoids any religious references in his Thanksgiving speech. [8]

Hehe, oh noes! It's like he wanted to give a speech, not pander to a religious organization! Eghad!

That's not hostility. That's indifference. Get over it.

August 2011 – The Obama administration releases its new health care rules that override religious conscience protections for medical workers in the areas of abortion and contraception. [9]

I have to interact with a lot of people who say, do, or want things I consider quite unsavory and terrible. I don't have a hissy fit because they go against my beliefs. I bear it and remind myself that they're the monsters, not me. If that's not good enough for someone, perhaps they should consider a change of venue.

April 2011 – For the first time in American history, Obama urges passage of a non-discrimination law that does not contain hiring protections for religious groups, forcing religious organizations to hire according to federal mandates without regard to the dictates of their own faith, thus eliminating conscience protection in hiring. [10]

"Now we might have to hire the g-g-g-gays!" I wonder how this works with the aforementioned "being able to fire pastors at will" ruling.

February 2011 – Although he filled posts in the State Department, for more than two years Obama did not fill the post of religious freedom ambassador, an official that works against religious persecution across the world; he filled it only after heavy pressure from the public and from Congress. [11]

I couldn't find a real news source that even mentions this. From the referenced article though, he nominated someone a year previous, but congress ground it to a halt until the nomination expired.

The sad thing is, I don't even LIKE the guy, and here I am defending him.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:01:02


Post by: Ahtman


 daedalus wrote:
The sad thing is, I don't even LIKE the guy, and here I am defending him.


That is because your dislike is based on policy disagreement and not some made up horse crap piled so high no waders could save you.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:01:10


Post by: whembly


 daedalus wrote:


The sad thing is, I don't even LIKE the guy, and here I am defending him.



You had me confused for a bit there...


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:15:29


Post by: xole


 daedalus wrote:

The sad thing is, I don't even LIKE the guy, and here I am defending him.


Thank you. And that's how I feel as well.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:23:05


Post by: Kilkrazy


In the interests of balance, would it be possible to compile a similar list of disinformation issued by left-wing media during the Bush presidency?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:24:51


Post by: Grey Templar


I doubt it. Its length would dwarf what you are proposing to put it up against


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:28:27


Post by: Kilkrazy


A similar list was requested. If you can provide a much longer one more easily, that will also be acceptable.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:32:05


Post by: whembly


 Kilkrazy wrote:
In the interests of balance, would it be possible to compile a similar list of disinformation issued by left-wing media during the Bush presidency?

Just ask BrassScorpion.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/29 21:36:39


Post by: Grey Templar


 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
In the interests of balance, would it be possible to compile a similar list of disinformation issued by left-wing media during the Bush presidency?

Just ask BrassScorpion.


http://instantrimshot.com/


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 01:12:33


Post by: Dreadclaw69


So will the government be able to import all those military grade firearms they sent to the cartels?

 Frazzled wrote:
And warning stickers like the one we had once that said "don't insert knife in children." I'm so glad they told me, I never knew.

And 'Baby on Board' stickers, because up until I see that sticker I always run other cars off the road

 Grey Templar wrote:
I doubt it. Its length would dwarf what you are proposing to put it up against

It might melt the Dakka servers

 whembly wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
In the interests of balance, would it be possible to compile a similar list of disinformation issued by left-wing media during the Bush presidency?

Just ask BrassScorpion.

Excellent work


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 01:24:05


Post by: Grey Templar


 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I doubt it. Its length would dwarf what you are proposing to put it up against

It might melt the Dakka servers


Well, some of the users anyway


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 01:28:54


Post by: NuggzTheNinja


 Frazzled wrote:
No it doesn't. you have to do a little searching to see which firearms are at issue. Here's a bit.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/korean-m1s-still-in-limbo-new-bill-introduced-to-prevent-state-department-from-blocking-imports-2680620.html

Now the second EO I have absolutely no problem with.


The second EO is even worse. IIRC, there has been ONE crime committed with a legally owned machine gun in the past century, and it was committed by a police officer. Criminals aren't using $20,000 transferable machine guns in crimes. They're using cheap handguns.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 04:15:07


Post by: Jihadin


I've no idea why some people consider a M1 Garand/Carbine a modern weapon of war. Granted when it was introduced into the Armed Forces during WWII it was literally state of the art in the Amount of Fire Power it can achieved in any given combat situation over other Axis forces. Germany was way ahead in crew serve weapons with the MG42 but the regular grunt was still armed with bolt action rifles.

I own a M1 carbine and looking to purchasing a M1 Garand and a 1911 Colt if I can locate a real one close by. I also own a 9mm Beretta and M4/AR15 combat rifle. I will though recommend the M1 Carbine since mine dates back to the Korean War as a "fun" weapon to fire on the range. ,30 cal round has enough of kick and punch to make it "visually" satisfying unlike the M4/AR15 with its 5.56mm. Even when you have a full 30 round mag compare to the 15 round mag of my M1 its, to me, a more of a "fun weapon". Also a good weapon to train on with those unfamiliar with fire arms.

As for the M1 situation that happen like a couple years ago. South Korea completed its transition to their K1/K2 Assault Rifles and was looking to give their M1 inventory back to the US. Its a couple million rifles/carbines. Some odd reason I've Clinton in my mind with something to do with this with a policy he implemented while in office but for the life of me I can't really remember. I just know it involved the economy. Flooding the market with M1's will down grade the current value of those M1's in the US.

South Korea though is on the clutch for those weapons because I think they are not allowed by their constitution to sell small arms on the market. A shadow of thought though is hitting me that they can sell them to collectors. Which jives a bit with what Obama (with backing from the policy of Clinton) "confirmed". I do know those M1 South Korea owns are stored in a huge mountain storage facility around Pusan. Though I doubt they would get rid of them all. In case North Korea gets antsy and invade the South. South Korea has weapons on hand to equip the recall all able body males since its mandatory to serve in SK Armed Services.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 05:05:57


Post by: MrMoustaffa


Why is it necessary? Most military grade fire arms are select fire and would be banned anyways (any variant of M16, M14's, some M1 carbines, etc.) or are weapons that would be perfectly legal normally, and in many cases, can already be obtained. Things like most of the sniper rifles used, M1 Garands, older M1 carbines that weren't select fire, and pretty much all pistols.

It really doesn't accomplish anything other than ensuring that American gun manufacturers don't get outdone by a massive surplus of cheap military firearms.

It'd be like the crates of Mosins you see in almost every gun store. They wouldn't be 100 dollars, but I could see them being actually affordable.

It's a shame really, most of the guns that would normally be legal to import have a lot of historical significance, and are no more dangerous than anything else we can buy already. All it really is is a publicity stunt. It lets people think Obama is being tough on guns and banning scary military assault weapons, when most of those guns were banned for importing already.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 05:12:06


Post by: Ouze


 Jihadin wrote:
As for the M1 situation that happen like a couple years ago. South Korea completed its transition to their K1/K2 Assault Rifles and was looking to give their M1 inventory back to the US. Its a couple million rifles/carbines. Some odd reason I've Clinton in my mind with something to do with this with a policy he implemented while in office but for the life of me I can't really remember.


I had never heard of this, so I did some googling. Turns out your recollection was close... but wrong Clinton


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 05:15:58


Post by: sebster


Fraz, start all the damned gun threads you want, but when you make a dig at The Thin Red Line you cross a line, man.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 05:53:22


Post by: Kilkrazy


 Grey Templar wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I doubt it. Its length would dwarf what you are proposing to put it up against

It might melt the Dakka servers


Well, some of the users anyway


Are we to take that as a "no", then?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 06:55:01


Post by: Jihadin


Thanks Ouze. For confirming my memory is going off the reservation .. well almost did.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 11:07:00


Post by: Spacemanvic


 Jihadin wrote:
I've no idea why some people consider a M1 Garand/Carbine a modern weapon of war. Granted when it was introduced into the Armed Forces during WWII it was literally state of the art in the Amount of Fire Power it can achieved in any given combat situation over other Axis forces. Germany was way ahead in crew serve weapons with the MG42 but the regular grunt was still armed with bolt action rifles.

I own a M1 carbine and looking to purchasing a M1 Garand and a 1911 Colt if I can locate a real one close by. I also own a 9mm Beretta and M4/AR15 combat rifle. I will though recommend the M1 Carbine since mine dates back to the Korean War as a "fun" weapon to fire on the range. ,30 cal round has enough of kick and punch to make it "visually" satisfying unlike the M4/AR15 with its 5.56mm. Even when you have a full 30 round mag compare to the 15 round mag of my M1 its, to me, a more of a "fun weapon". Also a good weapon to train on with those unfamiliar with fire arms.

As for the M1 situation that happen like a couple years ago. South Korea completed its transition to their K1/K2 Assault Rifles and was looking to give their M1 inventory back to the US. Its a couple million rifles/carbines. Some odd reason I've Clinton in my mind with something to do with this with a policy he implemented while in office but for the life of me I can't really remember. I just know it involved the economy. Flooding the market with M1's will down grade the current value of those M1's in the US.

South Korea though is on the clutch for those weapons because I think they are not allowed by their constitution to sell small arms on the market. A shadow of thought though is hitting me that they can sell them to collectors. Which jives a bit with what Obama (with backing from the policy of Clinton) "confirmed". I do know those M1 South Korea owns are stored in a huge mountain storage facility around Pusan. Though I doubt they would get rid of them all. In case North Korea gets antsy and invade the South. South Korea has weapons on hand to equip the recall all able body males since its mandatory to serve in SK Armed Services.


Ya mean an Mforgery/AR15?

We had this young pretty woman come into the store on Saturday who was on leave from the Army wanting an M4 like she has in the service. The whole store came to a stop as we explained to her, you cant buy an M4, but you can get an AR. Then we brought her out a few models. I wanted to see her leave with a Sig M400, but she went with a DelTon instead and four 30rd Pmags and 500rds of .223



Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 14:23:23


Post by: whembly


Why am I reminded of this:


Thanks Obama!


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 14:33:56


Post by: Spacemanvic


 whembly wrote:
Why am I reminded of this:


Thanks Obama!


OhBahMuh is a shooter, just like Joe Blindman.

One shoots skeet, the other fires "two blasts outside the house".


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 14:39:37


Post by: whembly


In the interest of making fun of other folks...


EDIT: dammit... thought that was a gif.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/30 14:42:25


Post by: Spacemanvic


Yeah, I'd be wary around Chenney and a firearm.....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/31 02:11:58


Post by: Jihadin


Especially going over a fence


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/31 23:41:35


Post by: Spacemanvic


Does crazy Uncle Joe realize, a shotgun shot into the air sends shot which must come down at some point, and can kill?


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/08/31 23:57:49


Post by: djones520


 Spacemanvic wrote:
Does crazy Uncle Joe realize, a shotgun shot into the air sends shot which must come down at some point, and can kill?


Not really. But, Crazy Joe forgot to mention that you'll most likely be charged for negligent discharge of a firearm. As has happened several times since he uttered those words.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/09/01 02:17:46


Post by: Spacemanvic


 djones520 wrote:
 Spacemanvic wrote:
Does crazy Uncle Joe realize, a shotgun shot into the air sends shot which must come down at some point, and can kill?


Not really. But, Crazy Joe forgot to mention that you'll most likely be charged for negligent discharge of a firearm. As has happened several times since he uttered those words.


Must be nice having a complicit media letting you get away with saying stuff, or even carrying the water for you....


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/09/01 05:49:26


Post by: schadenfreude


For the record I'm pro gun, but I think I can play Devil's advocate and make some lucid statements that partially stick up for the administration and piss everybody off on both sides of the political spectrum.

Just because a gun is over 50 years old doesn't mean it isn't a good gun design. The Thompson SMG, Colt 1911, and M2 50cal browning are all around 100 years old and still very effective weapons to this day, and criminals would love to get their hands on any of them (Though an M2 browning is too big to use in criminal activities what gun owner criminal or honest citizen wouldn't want an M2 just to blow the gak out of an old car in the desert ) That being said a M1 Garand is a poor choice of weapons for most criminal activities because it's too large to easily conceal, and it's small magazine size requires the user to be a good marksman.

Why ban it's import then? Because it's a post Newtown political landscape and the Obama administration has to appear to do something to keep the left wing base happy. Banning the re import of front line military hardware sounds like a good headline to feed the base of the democrat party and to anti gun liberals that don't know anything about guns it gives an convincing illusion of doing something useful.

Should gun owners be upset? I don't think so. This is a sign that the left is admitting defeat and is unable to pass any meaningful gun control laws. As much as I don't like to see them picking on the poor M1 Garand I see this for what it really is. This is the about extent of the Obama administrations gun control legacy.







Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/09/01 07:57:32


Post by: MrMoustaffa


Yeah of course, I'm just mad there wont be crates of dirt cheap M1 carbines all across the country.

To be honest, the biggest impact this move will probably have is to protect companies that make M1 copies and to keep the value of those classic firearms from tanking overnight.

Hopefully it will satisfy gun grabbers, but I highly doubt it. I can still go my local gun store and walk out with the scariest rifle in the store in less than half an hour, and that's what they really want stopped.


Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/09/01 14:41:11


Post by: Haight


 Ahtman wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.


Except, ya know, those did happen, and were used to discriminate and keep people from exercising their constitutionally recognized right to vote. And those were the most savory of the unsavory things done to keep people from voting.

The Voting Rights act was, and still is, necessary legislation.



Obama cracks down on the rampant use orf M1 Garands in drive bys @ 2013/09/01 15:06:13


Post by: Ahtman


 Haight wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.


Those are called Voter ID laws.


Except, ya know, those did happen, and were used to discriminate and keep people from exercising their constitutionally recognized right to vote. And those were the most savory of the unsavory things done to keep people from voting.

The Voting Rights act was, and still is, necessary legislation.


I can't help but feel you are missing something here.