Didn't see this in any of the other threads here. Apologies if it's a duplicate.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/december-releases-revealed.html

For those who can't be buggered.




Lots of Hobbit stuff. No surprise there.

Ultra limited marine codex $250.00US , milk that cow GW milk it

Ah, so there will be a hobbit month.

So much for the other thread saying there won't be.

That list looks about as credible as Boris Johnson in a suit.

Say what? $250 for a codex? I don't care how limited it is, are they taking people's money and using it to buy crack?

*Raises Hand* Where IS the Smaug Miniature

...So they'd really publish the "the desolation of Smaug" book - without Smaug? Wow if that really is due to New Line shenanigans; that's going to hurt them where they feel it.

Maybe they invested in an enlarging ray and thy are waiting for delivery

"Barrels out of bond"

Wut.

We'll see if a more credible source also produces this list.

Any details on this Space Marines codex? A box set like the Chaos one that just came out? Codex, supplements and artwork?

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Any details on this Space Marines codex? A box set like the Chaos one that just came out? Codex, supplements and artwork?

Space Marines Ultima Edition - Oct 2013
Space Marines Ultima Edition PENDING
Limited to 500 copies world wide PENDING
A display box with 4 separate hardback books inside PENDING
-Galaxis: a fold out map of the Galaxy folio PENDING
-Illuminatus: a 72page art gallery of Space Marines PENDING
-Adeptus Astartes: shows off every Space Marine miniature painted by the eavy metal team PENDING
-Codex Space Marines PENDING

Edit: Allegedly.

 BrookM wrote:
"Barrels out of bond"

Wut.

It's the part of the Hobbit where they escape the Elvish dungeons by hiding in barrels and riding down the river to Laketown. So presumably something like some Elf guards or some Lakemen, and some Dwarves half-in/half-out of barrels.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Say what? $250 for a codex? I don't care how limited it is, are they taking people's money and using it to buy crack?

Well, there were lots of people who bought all of the separate limited edition cover variants for the hardback space marine codex (seemed to sell out pretty quickly), so all of them will buy the new $250 Ultima edition too.

If there's a demand for it, why not sell it?

What is the saying about a fool and his money. dont blame GW, blame the fools

I was actually expecting some superheavies to be released alongside Escalation. I guess that won't even be happening.

As a Tyranids/Eldar player, I won't be buying a Forge World titan or Harridan in order to pay $50 for this optional expansion.

Well, if true, that's a pretty lame batch of releases.

*sigh* And here I was hoping that Xmas might bring me those shiny new plastic Greater Daemons Harry & Hastings have long hinted about... Looks like the earliest release slot for them will now be summer.

Hmm. This codex money is really burning a hole in my pocket too...

Also, is Blood of Sigmar a fantasy supplement or the like?

Isnt december/ normally a dry period for models for their Flagship lines anyway? Y'know, allow the releases early so the customers put them on their wishlist

I thought the Hobbit line was supposed to be one of their poorer performing ones? Why do an entire month for it then and have absolutely nothing for their better selling lines? Then again, they couldn't be bothered to update any of the Aspect Warrior sculpts when they did the new Eldar releases, so I suppose there's precedent for making silly decisions.

 BrookM wrote:
Also, is Blood of Sigmar a fantasy supplement or the like?

Widely suspected, but we don't actually know.


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 Bolognesus wrote:
...So they'd really publish the "the desolation of Smaug" book - without Smaug? Wow if that really is due to New Line shenanigans; that's going to hurt them where they feel it.

According to 40K Radio, February is a Hobbit month...

Theophony wrote:Ultra limited marine codex $250.00US , milk that cow GW milk it

It sounds like a parody, but it could be correct. Also the limited plastic bisters and boxes for the Hobbit.

scarletsquig wrote:Ah, so there will be a hobbit month.
So much for the other thread saying there won't be.

I predicted that there will be no Hobbit starter set in December, seems I was right.
And the other thread didn't say there won't be Hobbit releases, and you know it damn well. And you still say it with a straight face. Amazing. I will remember that.

Hmmm. Not much to get excited about here. I was fairly certain that a new 40k codex would be announced. I wonder if GW will stop making LOTR stuff after the series concludes. Anyway Looks like December is going to make 20 people very happy indeed.

So much venom, Kroot. You need to get your humours aligned.

Avian wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Also, is Blood of Sigmar a fantasy supplement or the like?

Widely suspected, but we don't actually know.


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 Bolognesus wrote:
...So they'd really publish the "the desolation of Smaug" book - without Smaug? Wow if that really is due to New Line shenanigans; that's going to hurt them where they feel it.

According to 40K Radio, February is a Hobbit month...

When did they predicted this. IIRC they said they ddn't rebember what was in February

Back in August. They said they didn't remember exactly, but thought it was Hobbit related.

So December is "Deadzone" month then!
I like how GW is helping out the competion


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Or " Battle Systems" month,
Our money has to go some where, Right!

Strombones wrote:Hmmm. Not much to get excited about here. I was fairly certain that a new 40k codex would be announced. I wonder if GW will stop making LOTR stuff after the series concludes. Anyway Looks like December is going to make 20 people very happy indeed.

Does anyone still find this even slightly amusing? Nope, thought not...

UltraPrime wrote:

Strombones wrote:Hmmm. Not much to get excited about here. I was fairly certain that a new 40k codex would be announced. I wonder if GW will stop making LOTR stuff after the series concludes. Anyway Looks like December is going to make 20 people very happy indeed.

Does anyone still find this even slightly amusing? Nope, thought not...

I did

No Nids makes me a sad tyrant...

Oryza Sativa wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
"Barrels out of bond"

Wut.

It's the part of the Hobbit where they escape the Elvish dungeons by hiding in barrels and riding down the river to Laketown. So presumably something like some Elf guards or some Lakemen, and some Dwarves half-in/half-out of barrels.

More specifically it's the name of the chapter from The Hobbit that the above described events occur in.

It is Chapter 9 of the book.

No call for "wut" (unless of course someone isn't a Hobbit fan, naturally), this very much makes sense for a name of a release associated with The Hobbit.

Oryza Sativa wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
"Barrels out of bond"

Wut.

It's the part of the Hobbit where they escape the Elvish dungeons by hiding in barrels and riding down the river to Laketown. So presumably something like some Elf guards or some Lakemen, and some Dwarves half-in/half-out of barrels.

Which shouldn't involve a fight of ANY kind...what is wrong with those movies?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What is the saying about a fool and his money. dont blame GW, blame the fools

Absolutely. People were shelling out double the price to get a dust jacket, lol.

It would be downright silly of GW not to see how much more they could fleece people for.

i was going to get back into LOTR last year but the releases werent the Elves that i hoped for with Stag riding king in tow.

I'll see what the miniatures look like on release - i've been disappointed in a number of the releases so if they dont cut the mustard the idea will be shelved until May when the predicted Wood elves get revamped.

GW have no choice but to make a huge Hobbit release in time for the film. On the films release i'm sure kids will drag their parents straight out of the Cinema and into a GW. Its how some of us got into wargaming, so as much as i loathe things that GW have done it helps build the hobby as a whole and inadvertedly create more 40k/WHFB/Warmahordes/AvP players for the future - good luck to them!

It was to be expected, in fact. GW doesn't release a "too big" release in december.

Another rumour bites the dust.

For what it's worth and, just to make sure.

"The Desolation of Smaug" would refer to the area of land in which Smaug desolated.

As opposed to people actually desolating Smaug, which wouldn't actually make sense considering the word.

Therefore, you wouldn't necessarily expect to see a Smaug model.

On the other hand, in a WW2 game, an England army could do with having a few Saxons of the Aengle tribe in it...

 BrookM wrote:
Also, is Blood of Sigmar a fantasy supplement or the like?

The non-limited edition line says 'hardback novel'.

Edit, nm, missed the line above it.

A Smaug model would have to be fairly big as well, at least twice the size of a WHFB dragon no?

Tolkien's dragons are sometimes as large as a mountain. Smaug in particular is what would old DnD 3e describe as Colossal - bilbo was as big as one of his claws on his toes. In order to get the scale right, GW would have to learn how to produce Imperator-class Titans in plastic

I really can't see GW making Smaug to scale with the others. It would be a massive investment in what appears to not be a very popular game.

You will find the rumours on the 40k supplements here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/559535.page

 BrookM wrote:
Also, is Blood of Sigmar a fantasy supplement or the like?

A rumoured supplement:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/560793.page

an anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:
December Release for Warhammer Fantasy
*Sigmar's Blood is a Fantasy supplement where you can recreate story of Volkmar's invasion of Sylvania
*Each battle contains rules that carry through to the next battle.
*The supplement comes with historical background and large hobby section

That's a lot of finecast, considering the rumours of moving away from it.

 Squidbot wrote:
That's a lot of finecast, considering the rumours of moving away from it.

Considering most of this stuff was likely made several months to a year ago, it'd be a while for finecast to even go away if it would.

 Medium of Death wrote:
I really can't see GW making Smaug to scale with the others. It would be a massive investment in what appears to not be a very popular game.

Though a well-done "huge dragon" miniature would have a lot of appeal outside the Hobbit.

If the rumour of the Forgeworld website being rolled into the GW one I guess it's possible they do Smaug as a giant direct only resin made by Forgeworld

probably easier than tooling something huge in resin with a limited lifespan licence that seems to be a bit of a flop

That's disappointing. I was really hoping to see the new bugs. O well, another boring December for mini's I guess.

Hm so a bunch of horribly overpriced books with possibly reused fluff.. and hobbit.

Sadly, you'd probably sell more Marneus Calgar wearing a santa hat models than you will most of those hobbit models.

 Kirasu wrote:
Sadly, you'd probably sell more Marneus Calgar wearing a santa hat models than you will most of those hobbit models.

now that I'd probably buy, but knowing GW it would be at least £35 and limited to "250" models worldwide

Kirasu- You'd be right, particularly given the lack of quality of the hobbit sculpts, with the notable exception of the eagles.

 Squidbot wrote:
That's a lot of finecast, considering the rumours of moving away from it.

It'd show their level of commitment to the Hobbit though; provide enough to claim they are supporting it. They've probably got enough already produced to satisfy both of the fans for a while without casting up any more.

Or the Finecast rumors are bunk...

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Fool me three times...yeah I think that's me again.

We'll see what happens at the end of the week.

Or finecast is still a lower cost alternative (for them not us, of course) for models that won't sell a lot.

 Kirasu wrote:
Or finecast is still a lower cost alternative (for them not us, of course) for models that won't sell a lot.

Exactly. I think all GW are doing is lowering the minimum investment level for plastic, which is why we're seeing them replace 40K units with it (Tyranid Hive Guard), but LOTR stuff still gets low production run resin.

Shingen wrote:
That list looks about as credible as Boris Johnson in a suit.

Considering it's the one GW sent out to retailers, I'd say it's credible.

 mikhaila wrote:

Shingen wrote:
That list looks about as credible as Boris Johnson in a suit.

Considering it's the one GW sent out to retailers, I'd say it's credible.

Ooh snap. That's confirmation from you? Okay, I have some updating to do now.

 mikhaila wrote:

Shingen wrote:
That list looks about as credible as Boris Johnson in a suit.

Considering it's the one GW sent out to retailers, I'd say it's credible.

Thanks mikhaila for the confirmation .

Yea this is a standard product list sent out to businesses. Nids were always a January release.

 juraigamer wrote:
Yea this is a standard product list sent out to businesses. Nids were always a January release.

You say it so matter of factly.

What I loved was the 5 straight days of:

"Tyranids confirmed for December."

"Tyranids confirmed for January."

"Tyranids confirmed for December, but may be two months."

"Some Tyranids coming in December, but codex not until January."

"Tyranids were always January."

"A reputable source confirmed they are getting Tyranids shipments for December."

It was fun...

Yeah, Natfka is a hoot.

 Kirasu wrote:
Or finecast is still a lower cost alternative (for them not us, of course) for models that won't sell a lot.

Also keep in mind that this might be the first time, we see plastic blisters and boxes as a splash release, "while supply lasts" and strictly allocated by the GW sales rep. Seems they lost any hope to get investment back for these moulds and try to get though this quickly.

This might have been mentioned, but has the latest issue of WD come out yet? I don't follow the mag, but I know that's pretty much the only guaranteed way of knowing what's coming out the next month....

WD is released end of the week, so expect WD pics soon.

 Kroothawk wrote:
WD is released end of the week, so expect WD pics soon.

Cool, thanks.

When are we likely to get details like this for January? Do GW usually send out details to retailers a little earlier, or a little later when holidays are involved?

I'm wondering if we might see leaks for the Jan schedule W/C 16th so retailers have time to sort it before the Xmas week.

 xttz wrote:
When are we likely to get details like this for January? Do GW usually send out details to retailers a little earlier, or a little later when holidays are involved?

I'm wondering if we might see leaks for the Jan schedule W/C 16th so retailers have time to sort it before the Xmas week.

White Dwarf is normally released early in December. It's due on the 28th but would expect to see it on the 21st.


I for one am looking forward to the Hobbit releases; I have 7 LotR/Hobbit armies already and intend to add a new Legolas and hopefully an army of Beornings to my collection! The line so far has been pretty sweet (IMO)- plastic boxes have been awesome as have been about half of the FC clampacks (the ones that weren't too spindly...).

Is it just me, or does the time seem to be inching by before we get solid Tyranids info?

 mikhaila wrote:

Shingen wrote:
That list looks about as credible as Boris Johnson in a suit.

Considering it's the one GW sent out to retailers, I'd say it's credible.

As far as I know GW dont send them out until a short time before they are released and as such most of that stuff wouldnt be on there.

As I said, its a crock.

Shingen wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Shingen wrote:
That list looks about as credible as Boris Johnson in a suit.

Considering it's the one GW sent out to retailers, I'd say it's credible.

As far as I know GW dont send them out until a short time before they are released and as such most of that stuff wouldnt be on there.

As I said, its a crock.

Mikhaila owns one of the better game shops in Pennsylvania.

If he says that's the list, that is the list.

Will they sell enough Legolas to justify a plastic kit?

 MaCa wrote:
Imperator-class Titans in plastic

Imperators have always been plastic.

Now if you mean 40K scale Imperators...

Shingen wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Shingen wrote:
That list looks about as credible as Boris Johnson in a suit.

Considering it's the one GW sent out to retailers, I'd say it's credible.

As far as I know GW dont send them out until a short time before they are released and as such most of that stuff wouldnt be on there.

As I said, its a crock.

GW sends lists like this to retailers just a bit ahead of WD. We update our POS systems, and try to brief staff and start taking pre-orders as soon as WD hits. If you consider that the week ends tomorrow for GW US, this is pretty much exactly the same time we always get it. I don't release that info, but in a case where it's already up on the internet, it's sort of a moot point about whether I'm 'revealing' anything here. Plus I expect WD pictures in about 37 seconds.

I'll be placing orders for these models on monday, and recieving them the end of next week. Seems like this is "a short time before they are released".

I love my nids, but if they don't release it until january i'll be happy. For whatever reason december is always where the biggest bills of the year line up for me. From school to wife and xmas. I guess my nids will just need to be patient.

Shingen wrote:
As far as I know GW dont send them out until a short time before they are released and as such most of that stuff wouldnt be on there.

It's the 27th today. I'd call that "a short time before" the December releases.

I have my December 2013 WD in my hands - well, on the arm of my comfy chair, but close nuff - but I'm unsure of the etiquette or rules (or even laws) involved in taking photos of the stuff. What's allowed? What's needed? What's not allowed?

Edit: Seriously. I've never posted anything that could be considered advance information before. I don't want to fall afoul of anything. In the meantime, I guess I'll start taking photos.

Dr. Bizarre wrote:
Will they sell enough Legolas to justify a plastic kit?

No. I think that's probably a very good bet, that is, a bet that GW will have trouble paying off the production costs. But it may be "justifiable" in the context of GW's entire product range. If you look at sales figures of GW's best selling SKUs, its sort of surprising how little volume GW sells compared to what you might expect, and Hobbit sales seem to have been abysmal. GW might sell a couple thousand...maybe...of that product. That's my guess. I suppose that could be enough volume in the long run.

 Pouncey wrote:
I have my December 2013 WD in my hands - well, on the arm of my comfy chair, but close nuff - but I'm unsure of the etiquette or rules (or even laws) involved in taking photos of the stuff. What's allowed? What's needed? What's not allowed?

Edit: Seriously. I've never posted anything that could be considered advance information before. I don't want to fall afoul of anything. In the meantime, I guess I'll start taking photos.

You could try the less litigious route of giving us a brief overview.

 Pouncey wrote:
I have my December 2013 WD in my hands - well, on the arm of my comfy chair, but close nuff - but I'm unsure of the etiquette or rules (or even laws) involved in taking photos of the stuff. What's allowed? What's needed? What's not allowed?

Edit: Seriously. I've never posted anything that could be considered advance information before. I don't want to fall afoul of anything. In the meantime, I guess I'll start taking photos.

You might be okay with photos taken of just the advance order stuff, but articles and the like could be questionable.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
I have my December 2013 WD in my hands - well, on the arm of my comfy chair, but close nuff - but I'm unsure of the etiquette or rules (or even laws) involved in taking photos of the stuff. What's allowed? What's needed? What's not allowed?

Edit: Seriously. I've never posted anything that could be considered advance information before. I don't want to fall afoul of anything. In the meantime, I guess I'll start taking photos.

You could try the less litigious route of giving us a brief overview.

Okie dokie...

The only new models seem to be from The Hobbit. The Desolation of Smaug is the name of the expansion, and there is no Smaug model. There's a bunch of new models. The list of models near the beginning of the thread was accurate, at least in terms of new models being released (not sure about price, as I am too tired to start comparing all the prices) The Palace Guards, Legolas, Tauriel are all mentioned as being in plastic. Beorn, the Spiders, the Ranger Captains, the Palace Guard Captains, are all mentioned as being in Finecast. The Rangers, the set with the dwarves in barrels (with Bilbo on a barrel too), Thrain, Thranduil are not mentioned as being plastic or Finecast specifically, and their pictures on the Full Release Listings page don't mention the materials. The Barrel out of Bond set is Online Only.

Yes, the Ultima Edition of the Space Marine Codex IS that gosh-darned expensive, and is available by online order only. Comes with 4 hardback books in a display box, volumes are titled "Galaxis," "Illuminatus" "Adeptus Astartes" and "Codex" respectively. Each book contains different stuff, including a foldout map of the galaxy, with Space Marine-related details on it, Another is an art book. Another is a gallery book that shows off every Space Marine model in the range, all painted by Eavy Metal with multiple angles and close-ups. The fourth book is the full Space Marine Codex..

There's two new expansions for 40k.

For 40k, Escalation lets you use certain superheavies and gargantuan creatures in otherwise normal games of 40k, with every army getting at least one superheavy or gargantuan creature or similar biggun, with some getting access to more. Stronghold Assault lets you use more fortifications than normal in a normal game of 40k, and the book provides updated rules for using fortifications (possibly just for Stronghold Assault, they didn't specify).

In Fantasy, Sigmar's Blood is a narrative campaign supplement book. Contains rules, hobby stuff, historical info, scenarios, and "examples of painted Citadel figures". The point is apparently to get a few players to get together and recreate the armies and battles described in the book. Apparently there's a scenario for every major battle described in the book. A variety of heroes and villains are described, and apparently there are ongoing effects from one battle to the next, and the outcome of a battle can affect other battles to come.

They're apparently doing something in December with their Digital Products section, from December 1st up till Christmas Day, there'll be something new to download on the "Advent Calendar" whatever that is, each and every day. Apparently they're bringing back a "much-loved" (quotes are to indicate it is their words. quote marks not present in the wording in the magazine) Warhammer 40,000 character on Christmas Day. Naturally, they don't specify who. The first download is Munitorum Volume 1. Other digital releases in December are "Warhammer: The Rules" Fantasy, not 40k.

Some Licenced Games, including Only War: No Surrender, and Warhammer Diskwars,

Black Library books include: Bane of Malekith, about Tyrion and Teclis fighting Dark Elves. Sigmund's Blood (the title of a novel and a related campaign book), about Volkmar the Grim hunting down vampires. Pandorax, an IG novel about Catachans fighting Chaos. Something about an art book called The Horus Heresy: Visions of Heresy, but I'm not sure whether they're trying to get people to buy up the last collector's editions or what. An exclusive version of The Horus Heresy: Macragge's Honour with different cover art from the earlier release will be available from Black Library's website for two weeks, starting December 25th.

Forge World's releasing Imperial Armour Volume 2, Second edition, apparently all about Space Marine vehicles with new rules, new pictures, and new graphics. Basically an updated version from the sounds of it. The new rules will apparently let you customize your vehicles by designating them as veterans of a specific campaign or making them ancient artefacts of their Chapter. There's also a new Character Series model: Erebus and Kor Phaeron

That's about it for the New Releases section.

In This Month in Forge World, they show a "Legion Fire Raptor" a Space Marine Stronghold Realm of Battle board, and an XV-107 R''Varna Battlesuit

The Parting Shot at the back shows an Empire General on a huge hippogryph or gryphon or something with a cat's body, a bird's head, and wings, and has the following quote:

"Through his own scars and blood, he has proved that his courage is beyond reproach." - Warhammer: The Empire

Oh, and I'm glad to see that they finally found a different photo of Jeremy Vetock to use in his magazine blog post. His old one was... aggravating.

[Edit: Sorry for the lengthy delay, I find it hard not to go into detail and I even erased several rambling parts, plus my memory for details is never that good so there was a lot of back and forth between the keyboard and the magazine. I have my computer on a chair in the living room with my keyboard on my lap, so there's no desk to lay the magazine down on.]

What do the Mirkwood Rangers look like? They kind of intrigue me.

 Kanluwen wrote:
What do the Mirkwood Rangers look like? They kind of intrigue me.

Hmm, my photo quality is kinda crappy. I'll take a better one now, but here's the one I have (no article in the photo, if that helps).

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/andreyis/Rangers_zps3b46bee7.jpg

Some of them are female, I know that much.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/andreyis/Rangersbetter_zpsb64708c1.jpg

Better photo. : D The model in the bottom right is somewhat obscured by glare, though. White Dwarf paper is shiny and the desk lamp is bright.


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I took some better photos of other models.

I'll post em all.


What's New in Forge World:


XV-107 R'Varna Battlesuit:


Realm of Battle Castellum Stronghold:


Legion Fire Raptor:



New Releases:


Erebus and Kor Phaeron:


(the cover of) Imperial Armour 2 Second Edition:


Palace Guard Captain 1:


Palace Guard Captain 2:


Ranger Captain 1:


Ranger Captain 2:


Barrels out of Bond:


Mirkwood Spiders:


Beorn:


Thrain the Broken:


Thranduil, King of Mirkwood:


Tauriel:


Legolas Greenleaf:


Palace Guards:


Mirkwood Rangers:


The images further toward the top tend to get more and more skewed because I leaned further and further back as I kept snapping pictures, changing the camera angle.

Damn, I was holding out some hope for those models.

Did everyone who knew how to pose a non marine model up and leave GW some time earlier in the year? More and more releases are coming out either static or this weird 'trying to be dynamic but going too far' with no middle ground.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Damn, I was holding out some hope for those models.

Did everyone who knew how to pose a non marine model up and leave GW some time earlier in the year? More and more releases are coming out either static or this weird 'trying to be dynamic but going too far' with no middle ground.

Admittedly, a lot of those photos aren't very good. As I kept taking photos, I started standing more and more upright, then leaning back, instead of holding the camera straight down at the image.

You know when you stand close to a TV and look down at the image on it and everyone looks really short? That kind of thing.

 Pouncey wrote:
For 40k, Escalation lets you use certain superheavies and gargantuan creatures in otherwise normal games of 40k, with every army getting at least one superheavy or gargantuan creature or similar biggun, with some getting access to more. Stronghold Assault lets you use more fortifications than normal in a normal game of 40k, and the book provides updated rules for using fortifications (possibly just for Stronghold Assault, they didn't specify).

In Fantasy, Sigmar's Blood is a narrative campaign supplement book. Contains rules, hobby stuff, historical info, scenarios, and "examples of painted Citadel figures". The point is apparently to get a few players to get together and recreate the armies and battles described in the book. Apparently there's a scenario for every major battle described in the book. A variety of heroes and villains are described, and apparently there are ongoing effects from one battle to the next, and the outcome of a battle can affect other battles to come.

I'm leery on the idea of Escalation (more on the idea of allowing Strength D into regular 40K; super-heavies themselves are no big deal), but I like the idea. I like the fortification book idea even more. I loves me my fortification terrain!

And another campaign book? Good. They should do more of these.

So we don't have to click

I like the Kor Phaedron (SP??) model, but for some reason that paintjob makes him look like a mis-coloured Simpson's character.

The Rangers and Palace Guard look pretty cool. The spiders are sufficiently creepy. The Dwarves in the barrels are funny (and nicely sculpted). The rest... meh.

Some seriously ugly faces in that batch...

 Pouncey wrote:


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/andreyis/Rangersbetter_zpsb64708c1.jpg

 pretre wrote:
So we don't have to click

Spoiler:

Great minds think alike. : D

I just spent the past 10-20 minutes putting image and spoiler tags into my post. : D

Is it just me or do some of those poses feel Infinity-ish/inspired?

These rangers look good enough for Warhammer Battle, in fact. Nice to use for wood elves or Avelorn high elves.

Tauriel and the Rangers look great. I'll be picking them up for sure. Barrels set looks cool but would only be useful for a diorama (or 1 scenario in the book).

From the look on Legolas's face, he's having a secret poo. Really should be squatting behind the log, not standing on top of it.

 warboss wrote:

Is it just me or do some of those poses feel Infinity-ish/inspired?

To me they look like someone at GW either can't into cad sculpting and is having trouble with poses or one of the suits that tells the studio what to do keeps using 'dynamic' as a buzzword without really knowing anything about anything.
This has to be more dynamic. Can I see this as.. more dynamic? Not dynamic enough. Etc
Of course the struggling sculptors in that scenario are forces to put out... those.

Joyboozer wrote:
From the look on Legolas's face, he's having a secret poo. Really should be squatting behind the log, not standing on top of it.

I thought he looked like Vladimir Putin, with the monobrow.

...doing a secret poo.

 Sarouan wrote:
These rangers look good enough for Warhammer Battle, in fact. Nice to use for wood elves or Avelorn high elves.

Yea, right up until you put them next to your WHFB models and notice the serious difference in scale.

I really like the Elves.

I like that the Ranger box has a nice mixture of male and female models. I also like that half of the models are firing their bows rather than waving swords around. There definitely are a few "Infinity poses" in there though.
The Ranger Captain models are a bit less exciting, but again I like the fact that there is a male and female model.

The Palace Guard are an interesting design. They look like Elves wearing Dwarven made gear. Wonder if that angle is from the film?

 Pouncey wrote:
I just spent the past 10-20 minutes putting image and spoiler tags into my post. : D

Highlight all links, paste in notepad.

Find http, replace with [img]http Find .jpg, replace with .jpg[/img]

Done.

Anyone know what the parting shot in the WD of November was about? ("Why should I fear the daemon, he has no power over me")

 aliusexalio wrote:
Anyone know what the parting shot in the WD of November was about? ("Why should I fear the daemon, he has no power over me")

They're releasing a new board game based on that movie with David Bowie?

Lol barrels out of bound is very nice!
Spiders on my list..

 Pouncey wrote:
For 40k, Escalation lets you use certain superheavies and gargantuan creatures in otherwise normal games of 40k, with every army getting at least one superheavy or gargantuan creature or similar biggun, with some getting access to more.

I assume they don't give more information, and it's therefore impossible to know if AS is counted as an actual army or not…

Regarding the Escalation expansion, this was said...

...every army getting at least one superheavy or gargantuan creature or similar biggun

I would like to know if this is really true (i.e. are tau, eldar and necrons getting something?) or is this more of the the "....or through allies..." crap they said for apoc.

(the new apoc expansion was touted as "every army will get something...." later a subnote "either a new model or a chance to ally with one...".).

 jonolikespie wrote:
To me they look like someone at GW either can't into cad sculpting and is having trouble with poses or one of the suits that tells the studio what to do keeps using 'dynamic' as a buzzword without really knowing anything about anything.
This has to be more dynamic. Can I see this as.. more dynamic? Not dynamic enough. Etc
Of course the struggling sculptors in that scenario are forces to put out... those.

Because only other companies can get way with putting out ridiculously posed miniatures.

davethepak wrote:
Regarding the Escalation expansion, this was said...

...every army getting at least one superheavy or gargantuan creature or similar biggun

I would like to know if this is really true (i.e. are tau, eldar and necrons getting something?) or is this more of the the "....or through allies..." crap they said for apoc.

(the new apoc expansion was touted as "every army will get something...." later a subnote "either a new model or a chance to ally with one...".).

I thought the Eldar had wraithknights and the Necrons that big pyramid thingy - how much bigger are you hoping for? Now Dark Eldar do have something to sulk about - not that I want a ridiculously large vehicle/contraption for them but that's just me.

Eldar Wraithknight is in the codex, isn't a superheavy. But yeah the Necrons got the Tesseract Vault thing, pretty sure that's apoc only.

 Bull0 wrote:
Eldar Wraithknight is in the codex, isn't a superheavy. But yeah the Necrons got the Tesseract Vault thing, pretty sure that's apoc only.

Did they get the Tesseract Vault, or did they get the Obelisk? Because the Obelisk is probably the worst super heavy ever, and could work just fine in regular games.

 Sasori wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
Eldar Wraithknight is in the codex, isn't a superheavy. But yeah the Necrons got the Tesseract Vault thing, pretty sure that's apoc only.

Did they get the Tesseract Vault, or did they get the Obelisk? Because the Obelisk is probably the worst super heavy ever, and could work just fine in regular games.

They got both. It's a dual kit.

To me, Kor Phaedron looks a lot like a terminator armoured Verne Troyer.

i was hoping the fortified manor/ watchtower/chapel/ walls & fences would make a return. no real reason why a popular set of kits that are pretty nice up and vanish when the 40k section still has some old terrain up.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
To me they look like someone at GW either can't into cad sculpting and is having trouble with poses or one of the suits that tells the studio what to do keeps using 'dynamic' as a buzzword without really knowing anything about anything.
This has to be more dynamic. Can I see this as.. more dynamic? Not dynamic enough. Etc
Of course the struggling sculptors in that scenario are forces to put out... those.

Because only other companies can get way with putting out ridiculously posed miniatures.

I'm not sure who you're referring to there. Corvus Belli?
Their infinity models are done in that style but done WELL because that's the style their entire line uses, as opposed to random recent releases, and they know how to make it look good.

BRAH NID-UARY YOU GUYS for sure this time! *froth froth*

Maybe it is because as a Nid player I frequent the more Tyranid-centric forums, but it feels like Nids have been "getting their new codex next month for sure" for 2 years or a "Harpy in the summer of fliers" which was supposed to be... 2011?

Calm down Nid players; It'll happen when it happens! I don't really get the feeling that any other army is like this :/ I think everyone knew that December was going to be big "megaforce"esque bundles and Hobbit line stuff.

It seems all those images exploded. Photobucket has taken them down in violation of their terms.

Skimming through Faeit's titles for November is amusing:

Tyranid Rumours (2nd)
Tyranids Moved Up To December? (5th)
Tyranids Release Date Coming December 7th? (8th)
Tyranids Release Dec. 7th: Reports Coming In (8th)
December is Going to Be Crazy: Tyranids are Coming (9th)
Tyranids Getting Ready for Launch (13th)
Where are the Tyranids? (19th)
Confirmations for Tyranids in December (19th)
Tyranids Coming? (23rd)
Tyranids Getting Closer? (26th)


It seems there is a linear relationship between the length of the titles and the (baseless) optimism of the post it heads.

Yeah, I wish I could count each time he said a variation of the same thing.

 Breotan wrote:

 aliusexalio wrote:
Anyone know what the parting shot in the WD of November was about? ("Why should I fear the daemon, he has no power over me")

They're releasing a new board game based on that movie with David Bowie?

Thank you for being utterly useless.

Given how frequently he posts, it might actually be possible to make a statistical model to predict whether or not a release is actually happening, just based on Faeit. in this example, we see that there's a high number of long titles during the first half of the month, but few and short titles towards the end of it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I assume they don't give more information, and it's therefore impossible to know if AS is counted as an actual army or not…

Oh of course they are. They even have a new codex to solidify that fact. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if the super-heavy that we get access to is just a Baneblade, but it's something, at least.

 Absolutionis wrote:
It seems all those images exploded. Photobucket has taken them down in violation of their terms.

Yup, even got a notice in my e-mail threatening a photobucket ban if I continue to violate the posting rules.



Naturally, I won't be contesting it.

Advertising GW products is against the law!

Sadly, posting WD pics before WD release is the only purpose, WD has left. As soon as it is released, preorder pics are online anyway.

 Breotan wrote:

 aliusexalio wrote:
Anyone know what the parting shot in the WD of November was about? ("Why should I fear the daemon, he has no power over me")

They're releasing a new board game based on that movie with David Bowie?

I would buy this.

 pretre wrote:

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Any details on this Space Marines codex? A box set like the Chaos one that just came out? Codex, supplements and artwork?

Space Marines Ultima Edition - Oct 2013
Space Marines Ultima Edition PENDING
Limited to 500 copies world wide PENDING
A display box with 4 separate hardback books inside PENDING
-Galaxis: a fold out map of the Galaxy folio PENDING
-Illuminatus: a 72page art gallery of Space Marines PENDING
-Adeptus Astartes: shows off every Space Marine miniature painted by the eavy metal team PENDING
-Codex Space Marines PENDING

Edit: Allegedly.

So it's supposedly a $250 advertisement for a sickeningly large array of SM minis?


Well feth that.

If it's real, then GOOD JOB, GW!

 Selym wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Any details on this Space Marines codex? A box set like the Chaos one that just came out? Codex, supplements and artwork?

Space Marines Ultima Edition - Oct 2013
Space Marines Ultima Edition PENDING
Limited to 500 copies world wide PENDING
A display box with 4 separate hardback books inside PENDING
-Galaxis: a fold out map of the Galaxy folio PENDING
-Illuminatus: a 72page art gallery of Space Marines PENDING
-Adeptus Astartes: shows off every Space Marine miniature painted by the eavy metal team PENDING
-Codex Space Marines PENDING

Edit: Allegedly.

So it's supposedly a $250 advertisement for a sickeningly large array of SM minis?


Well feth that.

If it's real, then GOOD JOB, GW!

Umm. Display box, fold out map, art gallery and codex isn't an advertisement. Overpriced? Maybe. Advertisement? Dubious. Keep raging against the GW machine though!

So...the display box. Do the books come included or do you have to buy them seperately?

Does anyone know where else to find the pictures? The ones posted in this thread so far have been deleted due to copyright.

 Troike wrote:
Oh of course they are. They even have a new codex to solidify that fact.

Inquisition also has a “codex”. I don't think it qualifies as an actual army when it doesn't even have Troop choices !

 Troike wrote:
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if the super-heavy that we get access to is just a Baneblade, but it's something, at least.

I would be extremely surprised if we were to have access to any Sororitas super-heavy because… well, there are currently no rules, no fluff, and most importantly no model for Sororitas super-heavy, and if we were to get new models, there are many much more urgent things to release than a super-heavy.
So, yeah, Baneblade. Blah . I guess my money will still go to Privateer Press then.

Kind of a a painting and modeling question, but what color did they use for that XV-107 Riptide? Thanks.

Does GW honestly think the Hobbit would outsell Tyranids in December?

This just seems like a horrible business decision. The month people are most likely to spend money, and they push out a product that no one wants, instead of the one that everyone is clamoring for.

 djones520 wrote:
Does GW honestly think the Hobbit would outsell Tyranids in December?

This just seems like a horrible business decision. The month people are most likely to spend money, and they push out a product that no one wants, instead of the one that everyone is clamoring for.

They're releasing The Hobbit stuff during the time when the movie is being released. Their goal is to grab new customers. Releasing The Hobbit in January would be too late.

When they release Tyranids, all present and future Tyranid players are going to buy those products regardless of when they're released. Warhammer products never go on sale and pretty much never depreciate in value. Whether they release it in December or January, people will buy it. People will still be buying it for full price December 2014.

The Hobbit, not so much. Grab those customers while the movie and products are hot.

 Absolutionis wrote:
The Hobbit, not so much. Grab those customers while the movie and products are hot.

Yeah..."hot". Hobbit models didn't exactly fly off shelves when they debuted last year and I doubt that'll change this year. Prices are way too off-putting for that, combined with some goofy-looking sculpts.

The only thing I give even half a gak about is a Smaug model, and I doubt GW will even make one to be perfectly honest. If they did it would no doubt be the most expensive model they ever produced this side of Forge World.

If they release it in January, The Hobbit stuff would move even slower. Hobbit stuff would rot away if they missed the timing. Tyranids have no timing and have no "hot" time. They just sell because they're in 40k.

I've waited this long for Tyranids. I can wait longer.

Well yeah, it makes sense to release it the same month as the film, I'm just saying that I don't think it makes a difference either way because there are too many other reasons why people don't want Hobbit models.

 aliusexalio wrote:
Anyone know what the parting shot in the WD of November was about? ("Why should I fear the daemon, he has no power over me")

Parting shots mean literally nothing. They pertain to nothing at all, and never have in the entire run of the new White Dwarf. They are a cool picture, that is all.

Also, Photobucket is gak for hosting images. Images have limited bandwidth there, and you need an account. Upload to Imageshack or imgur, no account necessary, and no bandwidth problems. They can still be taken down by GW legal or what have you, but there's no account tying you to it.

 Absolutionis wrote:
If they release it in January, The Hobbit stuff would move even slower. Hobbit stuff would rot away if they missed the timing. Tyranids have no timing and have no "hot" time. They just sell because they're in 40k.

I've waited this long for Tyranids. I can wait longer.

Who the hell is going to know about the Hobbit stuff other then us current players though? GW does not advertise, so they won't get anything off of the movie push. The only people who will know about it, is the players who already buy from them, and we weren't buying the product in the first place.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah..."hot". Hobbit models didn't exactly fly off shelves when they debuted last year and I doubt that'll change this year. Prices are way too off-putting for that, combined with some goofy-looking sculpts.

Still, you don't just give up. Releasing around the same time as the movie is out is still the best time to do it.

 djones520 wrote:
Who the hell is going to know about the Hobbit stuff other then us current players though? GW does not advertise, so they won't get anything off of the movie push. The only people who will know about it, is the players who already buy from them, and we weren't buying the product in the first place.

That's a separate issue, and one that GW's only ever been good at once (when they had a tie-in magazine sold in News Agents).

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Inquisition also has a “codex”. I don't think it qualifies as an actual army when it doesn't even have Troop choices !

Oh hush, you. We may only have one troop choice, but do you see the Inquisition going around with all of the force org slots filled? Nah. We also had our own slot in the allies matrix back when all we had was that OOP WD codex. We're as "real" as any other army. Really, insinuating that we are "not an actual army" is a bit much, really.

 Troike wrote:
We're as "real" as any other army. Really, insinuating that we are "not an actual army" is a bit much, really.

Well, considering we have not even been moved to finecast, have not been translated, have not gotten any physical release, received no mention in Apocalypse,…
Even if we are a “real” army, we are clearly one level below the “normal” armies.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah..."hot". Hobbit models didn't exactly fly off shelves when they debuted last year and I doubt that'll change this year. Prices are way too off-putting for that, combined with some goofy-looking sculpts.

Still, you don't just give up. Releasing around the same time as the movie is out is still the best time to do it

They may also have been told to. In any case, releasing around the same time as the movie is the best idea whether they have any advertisement or not.

And in December, with the Holiday shopping, they'll get sales anyway, so it makes sense to have Tyranids prop up January sales.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, considering we have not even been moved to finecast

Nobody is getting moved there anymore, though. At least not in 40K.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
have not been translated

Neither were any other digital editions, to be fair.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
have not gotten any physical release

Cruddace said that we would probably get one if the digital codex sold well. And, as I showed you, it did.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
received no mention in Apocalypse,…

Well, probably because we didn't get any formations, likely because of the all-metal thing, the or OOP codex thing. We got some in the AS codex.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Even if we are a “real” army, we are clearly one level below the “normal” armies.

Perhaps, but we're still a real army. We have a codex, and a slot on the allies table. To suggest that a lack of attention from GW makes us less real is incorrect.

Sidstyler wrote:Well yeah, it makes sense to release it the same month as the film, I'm just saying that I don't think it makes a difference either way because there are too many other reasons why people don't want Hobbit models.

It does make a difference, because the only chance The Hobbit stuff has to sell is right next to the movie. Tyranids will sell the same no matter what month.

I've literally met ZERO people, parents included, who have purchased miniatures as a Christmas present for someone else. There's also not much of a sales trend in this hobby with relation to the holiday, so it really doesn't matter when Tyranids are released.

It is critical for The Hobbit stuff to come alongside the movie, however, or else it won't move a thing. It just so happens the movie is in December.

Who the hell is going to know about the Hobbit stuff other then us current players though? GW does not advertise, so they won't get anything off of the movie push. The only people who will know about it, is the players who already buy from them, and we weren't buying the product in the first place.

GW is aware of that, but again, it stands the best chance of selling alongside the movie. GW is going to put no effort into The Hobbit outside of that window. They are likely under contractual obligation to do so anyway. They probably can't wait for the films to be done so they can't stop worrying about it and get back to the important games.

Preorders are now up.

Fantasy:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440004a&rootCatGameStyle=wh
Sigmar's Blood

Sigmar's Blood Limited Edition:


40k:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k




The Hobbit:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat970003a&rootCatGameStyle=athletic


See all other Hobbit pics in the Hobbit thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/561594.page

The Mirkwood Rangers are dead cool, but the prices are the lulz

While I will of course be ordering them from a discounter, I have nothing but good things to say about the two new 40K books.

They're not ludicrously out of whack price wise, they both establish some interesting new ideas to shake up the game (I've been finding things a bit stale recently, so timely for me too)

Will get Escalation in the near future, SA can wait a bit, as neither of my armies are really made to favour Siege styles, but certainly see me getting both.

Not sure if serious.
50c per page with most of them just a reprint or slight modification of existing rules plus some added WD pics is not what I call a good deal.

Kind of early to be asserting exactly what's in it, isn't it?

 pretre wrote:
Kind of early to be asserting exactly what's in it, isn't it?

It's Kroothawk.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Kind of early to be asserting exactly what's in it, isn't it?

It's Kroothawk.

Yeah, I was largely making the statement for the audience who might not take your statement as self-evident.

 brassangel wrote:
I've literally met ZERO people, parents included, who have purchased miniatures as a Christmas present for someone else.

Anecdotal evidence isn't.

 pretre wrote:
Kind of early to be asserting exactly what's in it, isn't it?

Erm ... maybe read the official descriptions on the website confirming what is written in WD.
We know that both books features only data sheets for models we already have data sheets for.
Only uncertainty is whether the actual new stuff would fit on 1, 2 or 3 pages.

 azreal13 wrote:
While I will of course be ordering them from a discounter...

Logged into the GW store. Added them to my basket. Went to the check out and then suddenly thought: "What the hell am I doing?". Closed the window, went to Combat Company, ordered them all for about 15-20% off.

I must keep remembering that Australia has discounters as well.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Not sure if serious.
50c per page with most of them just a reprint or slight modification of existing rules plus some added WD pics is not what I call a good deal.

Totally serious.

It's no more expensive than a Codex, for a similar page count, it gives the rules for a few of the iconic units I would very much like to field one day, but doesn't require the purchase of the (much more expensive) Apoc rulebook, which I have never had, and likely will never have, any desire to play.

Perhaps I'm just a good fit for one of the ever more specific niches GW seems to be releasing product for, and in no way am I calling this cheap, but less expensive than expected (because I had assumed it would be direct only, and Wayland are taking preorders at -15%, which means Darksphere may well be cheaper again) and "not a blatant price gouge" is about the best we get from GW with most releases these days.

Erm ... maybe read the official descriptions on the website confirming what is written in WD.
We know that both books features only data sheets for models we already have data sheets for.
Only uncertainty is whether the actual new stuff would fit on 1, 2 or 3 pages.

Yeah, you're right, your statement is totally true when compared to this. :rolleyes:

This 96-page, full colour, hardback supplement contains:

· A background section introducing Lords of War units and their terrifying impact on the battlefield.
· All the rules needed to play with super-heavy vehicles (including Flyers and Walkers) and Gargantuan Creatures, as well as rules for their potent wargear.
· An amended force organization chart that allows players to choose Lords of War units as part of their standard Warhammer 40,000 armies.
· Datasheets for every plastic super-heavy Citadel miniature, plus a selection of super-heavy vehicles and gargantuan creatures from Forge World.
· A showcase of expertly painted Lords of War Citadel miniatures.
· New Altar of War and Gauntlet Challenge missions that can be played instead of the Eternal War missions in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

Yep, looks like only has datasheets for stuff we already have data sheets for. Oh, and 5 other bullet points. Totally correct except for that five other bullet points part. I'm sure that the background,, new campaign type rules, FOC and missions all fit on 3 pages though.

Wait, maybe your original statement was more true than your amended one:

50c per page with most of them just a reprint or slight modification of existing rules plus some added WD pics is not what I call a good deal.

Nope.

Providing that the books are actually competently written, a couple of years ago, I'd be chomping at the bit for both of these books. Planetstrike is fun and all, but I've always just wanted rules for a 'proper' siege.

And getting extra rules to have games with a superheavy without the rest of the apocalypse overhead but making it still feel like it's properly part of the game is a great idea.

However, GW are just far too annoying nowadays. So much so, that I really cannot be bothered to get either of these.

 Troike wrote:
Nobody is getting moved there anymore, though. At least not in 40K.

For a simple reason. Name one 40k metal kit .

 Troike wrote:
Neither were any other digital editions, to be fair.

Good thing every other army was not digital-exclusive, then !

 Troike wrote:
Cruddace said that we would probably get one if the digital codex sold well.

Real army don't need to show they can sell well in digital before getting some physical release. Also, real army get their physical army book translated, which we ain't likely to get.

 Troike wrote:
Well, probably because we didn't get any formations, likely because of the all-metal thing, the or OOP codex thing.

That's why we got no fluff, no Finest hour, not even a passing mention. Yeah, because we're not a real army anymore.

 Troike wrote:
We have a codex

We do have a bunch of English dirty xhtml files in some zip archive. GW can call that a codex, but my dictionary disagree .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Nobody is getting moved there anymore, though. At least not in 40K.

For a simple reason. Name one 40k metal kit

Imperial Guard Sanctioned Psykers, Cullexis Assassins and half of the Eldar Phoenix Lords, to name but a few.

 Redemption wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Troike wrote:
Nobody is getting moved there anymore, though. At least not in 40K.

For a simple reason. Name one 40k metal kit

Imperial Guard Sanctioned Psykers, Cullexis Assassins and half of the Eldar Phoenix Lords, to name but a few.

Even the mighty Space Marines still have metal in the range : http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1050245

This 96-page, full colour, hardback supplement contains:

· A background section introducing Lords of War units and their terrifying impact on the battlefield.
· All the rules needed to play with super-heavy vehicles (including Flyers and Walkers) and Gargantuan Creatures, as well as rules for their potent wargear.
· An amended force organization chart that allows players to choose Lords of War units as part of their standard Warhammer 40,000 armies.
· Datasheets for every plastic super-heavy Citadel miniature, plus a selection of super-heavy vehicles and gargantuan creatures from Forge World.
· A showcase of expertly painted Lords of War Citadel miniatures.
· New Altar of War and Gauntlet Challenge missions that can be played instead of the Eternal War missions in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

Which is just porting over The Lord of War mechanic from the Forgeworld Horus Heresy series into games of 40k.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Imperial Guard Sanctioned Psykers, Cullexis Assassins and half of the Eldar Phoenix Lords, to name but a few.

Even the mighty Space Marines still have metal in the range : http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1050245

That's traces. Small oddities. The huge majority of metal models have been ported.

muwhe wrote:

This 96-page, full colour, hardback supplement contains:

· A background section introducing Lords of War units and their terrifying impact on the battlefield.
· All the rules needed to play with super-heavy vehicles (including Flyers and Walkers) and Gargantuan Creatures, as well as rules for their potent wargear.
· An amended force organization chart that allows players to choose Lords of War units as part of their standard Warhammer 40,000 armies.
· Datasheets for every plastic super-heavy Citadel miniature, plus a selection of super-heavy vehicles and gargantuan creatures from Forge World.
· A showcase of expertly painted Lords of War Citadel miniatures.
· New Altar of War and Gauntlet Challenge missions that can be played instead of the Eternal War missions in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.

Which is just porting over The Lord of War mechanic from the Forgeworld Horus Heresy series into games of 40k.

Isn't the LoW slot in the Heresy books for the Primarchs? Or are there other choices?

It's for Primarchs and Super-Heavies.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Imperial Guard Sanctioned Psykers, Cullexis Assassins and half of the Eldar Phoenix Lords, to name but a few.

Even the mighty Space Marines still have metal in the range : http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1050245

That's traces. Small oddities. The huge majority of metal models have been ported.

And?

You asked to name just one metal kit. Several have been pointed out. They aren't the majority of GW's product range anymore, a given, but that wasn't your question.

So another "feth the xenos armies" cash grab month. What happened to all the rumors about xenos specific fortifications we were supposed to be getting?

Superheavies in regular games. Lessee, I play Tau...I know I'll just plunk down the assinine amount of cash to get a Manta just to make sure nobody will ever play against me. I'm not sure the stupid thing will even fit in the trunk of my car and my nerd closet is definitely not big enough to store it.

 agnosto wrote:
So another "feth the xenos armies" cash grab month. What happened to all the rumors about xenos specific fortifications we were supposed to be getting?

Someone lied.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Real army don't need to show they can sell well in digital before getting some physical release.

No, but digital editions do. Still doesn't make us less real.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
That's why we got no fluff, no Finest hour, not even a passing mention. Yeah, because we're not a real army anymore.

Or because they had no formations in the book, so there was little point in mentioning them.

Also, they were mentioned once. In the description for the "Divine Intervention" thing.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
We do have a bunch of English dirty xhtml files in some zip archive. GW can call that a codex, but my dictionary disagree .

The 40K definition of codex is a set of rules that allow you to play an army on the tabletop. That's what the AS digital codex is, so it being called a codex is accurate. Therefore, they're a real army.

I didn't want to have to use this image, Hybrid, but you leave me no choice.

Anyone know if I can use my Warhound Titan in Escalation? [i.e. is it included in the 16 datasheets]. Also, does anyone know what templates will be used with Escalation? Is it the apocalypse templates?

 Zweischneid wrote:
And?

And thank you for your answers, but it was just a rhetorical question meant to imply that the replacement of metal by finecast had slowed mainly because of a very sharp decline of eligible models, rather than because of a change in strategy.

 Troike wrote:
No, but digital editions do. Still doesn't make us less real.

It does. We are not real. Because digital edition makes use… virtual ! We are a virtual army.

 Troike wrote:
Or because they had no formations in the book, so there was little point in mentioning them.

So, your explanation for them not being mentioned anywhere in the book is them not being mentioned in the most important part of the book, and that's supposed to show how we are considered an army in its own right ?

 Troike wrote:
Also, they were mentioned once. In the description for the "Divine Intervention" thing.

I obviously didn't buy the book (it was way too expensive for something I could only use as toilet paper, or as fire starter or something), but I've been assured repeatedly and with assurance they were not mentioned.

 Troike wrote:
The 40K definition of codex is a set of rules that allow you to play an army on the tabletop.

So, that means the Inquisition is an army too, now. Well, we will see what they get for their Lord of War .

Honestly, I won't ever take for granted that it includes AS when GW will mention anything “for every army”. Just as I won't take for granted it includes Inquisition as a separate entity from Grey Knight. Sadly Forge World seems more likely to make some super-mega-robot controlled by a dreadknight strapped on its belly than to make any kind of Sisters or Inquisition-specific super-heavy.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So, your explanation for them not being mentioned anywhere in the book is them not being mentioned in the most important part of the book, and that's supposed to show how we are considered an army in its own right ?

What? No, I said that we probably didn't get any formations, and thus any mention, due to the all-metal thing. And appearing in Apoc isn't a pre-requisite for being a real army. Having a codex is.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I obviously didn't buy the book (it was way too expensive for something I could only use as toilet paper, or as fire starter or something), but I've been assured repeatedly and with assurance they were not mentioned.

And I've seen a pic of the Divine Intervention thing in there, and it says Sisters of Battle on it. Granted, it's easy to miss/forget.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So, that means the Inquisition is an army too, now. Well, we will see what they get for their Lord of War .

Some top-notch wordplay there, Oxayotl, but the =] [= codex has been referred to as and indeed is an allies codex, so they're not really the same.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Sadly Forge World seems more likely to make some super-mega-robot controlled by a dreadknight strapped on its belly than to make any kind of Sisters or Inquisition-specific super-heavy.

I get the impression that you're not one for optimism, but an interesting tidbit surfaced recently.

That box on the right talks about the Ecclesiarchy using massive mobile cathedrals for war. If FW were ever to make an AS super-heavy, it seems that they have a good idea for one.

 agnosto wrote:
So another "feth the xenos armies" cash grab month. What happened to all the rumors about xenos specific fortifications we were supposed to be getting?

Superheavies in regular games. Lessee, I play Tau...I know I'll just plunk down the assinine amount of cash to get a Manta just to make sure nobody will ever play against me. I'm not sure the stupid thing will even fit in the trunk of my car and my nerd closet is definitely not big enough to store it.

I don't understand the complaint here. Xenos can use the fortifications. They have made lots of generic/Imperial terrain, however, because it's the most likely to sell, and humans are fighting all over the galaxy they once (all but) owned. Oh yeah, and we are humans, so it's the most relate-able concept.

Escalation has rules for every army, so again, not sure about the complaint.

Cash grab? If it's a dumb idea or illogical release that pisses everyone off, it wouldn't grab cash.

 brassangel wrote:
I don't understand the complaint here. Xenos can use the fortifications. They have made lots of generic/Imperial terrain, however, because it's the most likely to sell, and humans are fighting all over the galaxy they once (all but) owned. Oh yeah, and we are humans, so it's the most relate-able concept.

Escalation has rules for every army, so again, not sure about the complaint.

Cash grab? If it's a dumb idea or illogical release that pisses everyone off, it wouldn't grab cash.

1.) When Xenos army player demand Xenos terrain, they don't want non-Xenos terrain. Simple as that.
2.) Just because I am human, doesn't mean, I love clunky metal buildings covered with thousands of skulls. Also your argument wouldn't explain Space Marine sales, because no customer is a genetically modified super-human.
3.) People in my community here were joking that the next supplement would certainly be made to allow expensive Apocalypse only plastic kits in normal games. When it got announced, we all had a good laugh, but nobody wants to buy something like that.
4.) Some armies have an Apocalypse only plastic kit, they get slightly modified rules for that. Others don't, so GW includes rules for 300-650 US$ resin models. This is clearly not the same.
5.) Tricky marketing move to sell fortifications with the argument: Free rules included! Then invalidate those free rules in a non-free supplement only 5 months later.

 Kroothawk wrote:

5.) Tricky marketing move to sell fortifications with the argument: Free rules included! Then invalidate those free rules in a non-free supplement only 5 months later.

You read the book and know for sure they've invalidated those rules then? Or maybe they just did their usual "lazy copy-paste" and reproduced them as-is.

The product discription does mention updated rules; hopefully these are for things like the sky shield/ battlements rather than the newer stuff.

HarryLeChien wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

5.) Tricky marketing move to sell fortifications with the argument: Free rules included! Then invalidate those free rules in a non-free supplement only 5 months later.

You read the book and know for sure they've invalidated those rules then? Or maybe they just did their usual "lazy copy-paste" and reproduced them as-is.

The product discription does mention updated rules; hopefully these are for things like the sky shield/ battlements rather than the newer stuff.

Updated rules is most likely integrating the FAQ stuff into the printed rules.
The only changes I'd like to see to the Vengeance weapon batteries and the Firestorm Redoubt is to let them swap all three weapons around, like the models are designed to.
I'm also happy to see that the Wall of Martyrs stuff is getting rules finally. Makes me finally want to paint up the emplacements, and think about getting a set of trenches and bunker.
Also the updated rules for battlefield debris and weapons could be related to the rumor that there will be xenos specific weapons upgrades for fortifications.

 Kroothawk wrote:

because no customer is a genetically modified super-human.

Speak for yourself!

 Kroothawk wrote:

1.) When Xenos army player demand Xenos terrain, they don't want non-Xenos terrain. Simple as that.
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Thankfully other gaming companies exist, and some make Xenos suitable terrain. One did pretty well out of a kickstarter for that sort of thing recently

We also don't know if GW is going to make Xenos specific terrain. The focus right now is about generic releases, and getting every codex up to date.

Which do you suppose is a better move: Release every little nook and cranny for every army possible, and spend 10 years trying to get every army out? Or get every army out, and worry about the little stuff later? We know digital releases don't really take up time and space, but physically making terrain and models does.

We can't get everything at once, and people would complain either way. This still gives everybody something they can use, while maintaining GW's army-release schedule.

No one saw this release coming, really, but once it gets here, people complain that their pet army didn't get a piece of terrain released. lol at them.

Hang on, I've just noticed the pre-order price for Escalation on iBooks is only £22....

What's going on?!

 Troike wrote:
No, I said that we probably didn't get any formations, and thus any mention, due to the all-metal thing.

So, the all-metal thing is why we are not considered a real army now .

 Troike wrote:
I get the impression that you're not one for optimism, but an interesting tidbit surfaced recently.

Spoiler:

That box on the right talks about the Ecclesiarchy using massive mobile cathedrals for war. If FW were ever to make an AS super-heavy, it seems that they have a good idea for one.

Reading that small, blurry test hurt my eyes ! I'm also confused about why they decided to include ten pages about sisters when everything else is marines. I don't think any sisters player will want to pay £50.00 for a book full of marines and just 10 pages of sisters (and rules for 1 (one) vehicle), and marine players don't really care for sisters fluff.
I'll find a way to read those 10 pages without buying the book (not necessarily illegal, burrowing the book from someone else for five minutes to read all those long 10 pages is no crime in civilized countries).

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Reading that small, blurry test hurt my eyes !

FW wants you to work to see their previews, I guess.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I'm also confused about why they decided to include ten pages about sisters when everything else is marines.

They get eight pages, actually.

Anyway, they're there because it's "their" book. As well as Inquisitorial vehicles, this is where FW tells us about SoB vehicles. Regardless, it's nice to see

 Troike wrote:
They get eight pages, actually.

Well, Sisters' section start on page 232, and next section start on page 241, so it's supposed to be 9 pages. Except if they only dedicate one page to the immolator, and one page of transition that is unrelated to Sisters.
Out of 250 pages, it's approximately “not enough page to be worth buying” .

 Troike wrote:
Anyway, they're there because it's "their" book.

If it's “their” book, why shall even the introduction be on the domains and selected glories of space marines only ? I mean, except if Sisters are not considered an army in their own right, but some kind of oddities that can be used as allies for flavor, or something like that.

You two like fighting, don't you?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Out of 250 pages, it's approximately “not enough page to be worth buying” .

Oh, I never said that it was worth buying for its SoB content. But I'd still like to read it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
If it's “their” book, why shall even the introduction be on the domains and selected glories of space marines only ? I mean, except if Sisters are not considered an army in their own right, but some kind of oddities that can be used as allies for flavor, or something like that.

It's "their" book in that its where FW have put them, a book about Imperial Armour. That's the book they've made for the SoB as an army, at present.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You two like fighting, don't you?

I don't think of it as fighting, just a bit of light debating. "Fighting" implies aggression or anger, and that's certainly not how I feel.

Yeah, me neither. I'm just throwing my pessimism and frustration at his/her optimism, and vice versa .

I just don't see anything in the new IA2 that I don't already have rules for.. Unless, of course, they change the rules for the Mortis Contemptor yet again (It has been almost TWO months since the last change after all)

If you want to make Xeno terrain do some minor conversion. I have a lovely Fortress of Redemption that was nicely looted by Ghazgkull and the conversion was not difficult, assuming you have a reasonable number of bits of course.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yeah, me neither. I'm just throwing my pessimism and frustration at his optimism, and vice versa .

Clarified that for you, bud.

 Troike wrote:
It's "their" book in that its where FW have put them, a book about Imperial Armour. That's the book they've made for the SoB as an army, at present.

Well, GW Daily considered it wasn't worth mentioning :
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=12100010-gws&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LeGamesWorkshopBlogFR+%28White+Dwarf+Daily%29
Not surprising, the book is called “War machines of the Adeptus Astartes” !
We do get a very quick mention in the video though.
“If you’re into Space Marines and tanks (and why wouldn’t you be?) then this is the book for you.”

this sucks my friend plays only nids and hes been waiting for the new codex so bad . i hope next month its here

 Lovechunks wrote:
this sucks my friend plays only nids and hes been waiting for the new codex so bad . i hope next month its here

Try waiting for a Dark Eldar update

 Captain Blood wrote:

 Lovechunks wrote:
this sucks my friend plays only nids and hes been waiting for the new codex so bad . i hope next month its here

Try waiting for a Dark Eldar update

Or squats.....reset the squat clock now.

Really like the new Wood Elf figures

Update from Warseer:

Endobai;7001577 wrote:I would expect many leaked pictures of the new tyranid models in the next week.

Can't say anything else ( I gave my word), but it is quite, quite a show also for Tyranid veterans with some nice suprises here and there.

Search my older posts before you question my reliability.

If true, it sounds delicious.

Over on Warpshadow, this picture was mentioned as being in the new Escalation book:


It's noteworthy that the most Central Warrior has an unorthodox head and shoulder carapace blades. Might just be conversion work with a Ravener kit and those Carnifex parts that nobody knows what to do with.

Also, those Bone Swords look unusually long and slender compared to the conversion pack we've been given.

It's a curiosity.

I may be looking far too much into this, but the chips in the carapace also look significantly different on the warrior closest to the camera. Here's a current warrior carapace for comparison:



Finally, the leftmost Warrior has Rending Claws with far too many spiky protrusions to be any preexisting claws.

I think these are indeed new warriors:
Tyranid Prime has funnels on back, bone swords and unknown small adrenalin glands.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I think these are indeed new warriors:
Tyranid Prime has funnels on back, bone swords and unknown small adrenalin glands.

His headcrest is a lot more ornate as well.

I admit, I'm going to be REALLY surprised if it is a brand new warrior kit. I could see a new sprue and +20$ addeded to it, but I always thought the warrior kit was fine.

EDIT:

Upon further inspection, they do look like new warriors. I've got so many though, I don't think i"ll need to get the new kit. That Tyranid prime however...

I think this discussion is worth a new thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/567025.page