We present to you a new tribute game to the memorable HEROQUEST board game on the occasion of its 25th anniversary. In this new edition you will find new illustrations, new miniatures, new cards, a new board... All contents are new and fresh, to the highest possible standards as to pay a suitable tribute to the game that marked an era.
Introduction
We are not saying anything new if we say that there was a 'before' and an 'after' in our lives with HeroQuest. You have read it put in many ways, but all of them have the same roots in dreams, thanksgiving and nostalgia in common.
Months ago, a partner of mine shared a link which led to a change.org petition. It was, at least, a wholehearted petition, but hiding an urge that, surprisingly enough, many of us shared without knowing: a conmemorative edition was demanded for to celebrate its 25th anniversary.
When I talked about it with a friend, he made me understand that the petition was really open, not focused to a single company. It was a petition made mainly to two big fishes, but open to any third party. It was practically as if someone had put up a challenge. And what we did at GameZone was to accept it.
After that came weeks of studying the legal aspects of the matter and getting in touch with people who could allow us to face this project. We quickly knew that no big fish was going to undertake this endeavour. It was complicated, costly and there was not enough time. Big companies have to plan their strategies with plenty of time, and none of them had announced anything nor planned to. The time left to get it done was simply too little. But not for a small fish.
We could react in time and focus all our efforts in the development of this commemorative edition. It was now or never. Or we got to the task right away, or no one would. And there would be no HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition.
The time lapse we have to achieve our goal is small, but enough for us. With the fundings raised thanks to this crowdfunding initiative we will be able to end the creative stage and prototypes, so we can start producing the actual components by early 2014. We have the knowledge and the tools, not the funds. The money we now ask for.
With the right funding this HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition will see the light just in time for next year Christmas time, fulfilling the desires of countless fans, among which we are included.
I had quick look through Lanzanos when they mentioned this a few days ago the FAQ is in Spanish and I ran it through google translate but it seems be saying that the money is taken as soon as the project reaches it's funding goal not at the end of the project and if you pledge after the funding goal is met the money is taken striaght away - so just be aware of this if you are pledging once your in your in.
When did you actually make the payment?
The payment will be done automatically when the project reaches its economic objective. Otherwise no payment will be made. If the project has already achieved 100% funding and is supported by a patron, a patron told him directly charged.
How a creative cobra the size of your project when it reaches 100%?
When a project reaches 100% of the stipulated funding are charged to all patrons. We must bear in mind that at first has preauthorized credit card and Paypal for all patrons. But at the time of making the charges to cards paypal or how to prevent incidents operation-no balance in the account, the card has expired may arise, has been removed from ... -. When a project reaches 100% charge is released to all patrons. The charges to patrons do once they arrived at 100% will be charged immediately. If the patron has paid via Paypal, the payment will go directly to the mind of the creator of the project, having previously subtracted Paypal fee and commission Lánzanos. If the patron has paid via credit card, the charge will go to the bank account Lánzanos, where it will remain until the project is completed on time and close. At the time of closing Lánzanos make a bank transfer for the support credit card Lánzanos subtracting the commission and the Bank. When a project is considered complete? 10 days after when it has reached the end of the project deadline. Why? As explained in the operation may be a% of the votes at the time of collecting have given error immediately Lánzanos write these patrons to make effective support. We left 10 days to do so because once the project is closed and no more support allows any vouchers nor validate that the project may have.
At all times the author of the project within your project file in the My Support section can export data from their patrons and know the status of payment is (preauthorized, charged, error recovery, payment voucher)
As I say that's google translate (hence the cobra?) hopefully someone with proper Spanish will check and confirm or amend what I said above.
The project doesn't go live straight away 100 people have to vote for it in the box section first.
Lanzanos accepts Paypal.
I'll follow with interest but I can't see myself tying up €100+ in this project given it's recent troubles.
HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition will be being rerelaunched on crowdfunding site Lanzanos December 23rd at 1700h Spain time (11:00am US East Coast time).
Lunes 23 diciembre 17:00h (hora española): inicio de la campaña de #Heroquest 25 Aniversario #HQ25TH en http://lanzanos.com
My Spanish is limited to online translators, correct me if I'm misinterpreting anything.
Let's keep the armchair lawyering to a minimum, please.
Interesting... So rather then solve the problems keeping them from launching on one of the well known crowd funding platforms they decide instead to more and more obscure platforms.
This is turning into a bad joke. I want a new heroquest as much as the next guy, but you'd have to be really hard up for it to back this project after all the nonsense that has been surrounding it.
Good luck I suppose, I have a feeling its gonna need it.
I'll be (re)backing. Some of the finest figures in my collection are Gamezone, and Gamezone customer service has always been excellent at handling any issues I may have (shout outs to Cristina and Isabel) - in fact just a few days ago they added some freebies to a direct order because there was a delay sending it. I also specifically want a high quality replacement set for HeroQuest, and I specifically want to give my money to Gamezone to do it as I doubt anyone else in the world* could pull off the quality that I desire in a remake.
* well, other than Mierce or Avatars of War, but they are both in the midst of fulfilling their own crowdfunding campaigns.
From the Spanish posters commenting in the last thread, I got the impression that GameZone is now a one-man operation (outsourcing sculpting). Are you sure Cristina and Isabel still work there?
RiTides wrote: From the Spanish posters commenting in the last thread, I got the impression that GameZone is now a one-man operation (outsourcing sculpting). Are you sure Cristina and Isabel still work there?
I'm pretty sure Gamezone has always been a few people and they've always outsourced sculpting to a handful of Spanish sculptors. AFAIK the guy that owns Gamezone owns a company that does molding and casting for other miniatures companies in Spain/Europe, and "Gamezone" is the branding for his own product line. One of the big deals for the plastic Dark and High Elves that Gamezone has been releasing are actually made locally in that workshop, in Spain, not from a Chinese factory.
But to answer your question, both Isabel and Cristina work there as of last Thursday. Here's a response from then (cut out some personal information bits)
The spam reference is (actually if you read my last post on the Deadzone thread I mentioned this) my email address has been spoofed and used to send out junk mail so I've become blacklisted and causing it to not go through (has happened to Mantic, Avatars of War, and Gamezone among other friends and companies), which is what the first part of this email addresses.
I had asked a couple questions - regarding the crowdfunding and also the different in stock levels between their German distributor and their homebase in Spain, as the plastic Dark Elves and the just released plastic High Elves keep selling out and I'd like to get more but I have to keep jumping between distributors (gamezoneminiatures.de, e-minis.net, waylandgames.co.uk, etc) to try to find one place that has all the stuff in stock at once so I'm not ordering a few items each from several places, so I wound up ordering directly from them.
For some strange reason your emails were being rejected as spam. We're checking our emails and we determined that none of your posts have been answered. Sorry for that.
Although big delay, I will try to answer you, using a single email to all your questions.
This summer we are in a big gap production trying to meet commissions from other miniatures companies in our workshop. This brought us stockouts on our official distributors. This was already solved. Next week our fellows on Germany will receive items enough. Resin requests exceeded our expectations.
[SNIP personal info, stock levels, etc]
To compensate you, please, let us send to you a gift.
And finally, about HQ25, the game who seems cursed, next weekend we'll reload the campaign in a Spanish crowdfunding site, www.lanzanos.com
This time, hopefully without interruption. We're matching our creative schedule and I know that next week we also receive three new machines to reinforce our production capacity, in order to HQ25.
Thank your for your patience and excuse my poor English.
Un saludo.
Isabel.
The followup conversation was about shipping times etc then it turned to VAT questions so Cristina took over, as there's a lower limit to exclude VAT from international orders and I wanted to know the line (when your order reaches that you automatically get a voucher code for the amount on their website which you enter in and it removes the VAT)
Gamezone Miniatures
Dec 19 (4 days ago)
to me
Devolvemos el iva(VAT) SIEL PEDIDO ES COMO MÍNIMO 90.15€ COMO MARCA LA LEY.
Gracias
Cristina
Gamezone
From: Douglas Craig
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:32 PM To: Comercial Gamezoneminiatures
to Gamezone
Hi Cristina & Gamezone,
Is that 90.15 total for items including VAT or 90.15 for items with VAT included?
Thanks!
Doug
Comercial Gamezoneminiatures
Dec 19 (4 days ago)
to me
Items on gamezoneminiatures.com are VAT included.
Red line to exclude VAT is any order over 90.15€ (without shipping),
It's rather odd that the image they're showing for the stretch goals has everything up to 68,000euro unlocked despite the project having little more than 15,000euro pledged. I guess they're continuing the previous project's "unlocks", but this would be confusing for a newcomer.
They said in the description that they were going to keep all of the stretch goals that were unlocked from the prior kickstarter campaign, to reward the loyalty of prior backers, and every new stretch goal will be in 10k increments from here on out.
In the risk sections in spanish theres this jewel:
"Hay un tercer riesgo que no fuimos capaces de prever: un sector del hobby se opone a este proyecto. Aunque la mayor parte se fundamenta en elaboradas desinformaciones, no es menos real que algunos aficionados han preferido posicionarse activamente contra el proyecto, incluso boicotearlo. Es absolutamente descorazonador contemplar estas posturas desde nuestra posición, con datos veraces y toda la información en nuestras manos. Somos conscientes de que su influencia es grande, pero no lo suficiente como para incapacitar al proyecto. Es más, esperamos que vayan viendo lo que hacemos para que cambien su postura y, en último caso, que cuando vean físicamente el juego finalmente sean unos clientes más.
My try on a non-literal translation:
There is a third risk that we weren't able to anticipate: part of the hobby is against this project. While most [of this opposition] is based on elaborate disinformation, it's no less real that some boardgame fans have chosen to actively stand against the project, and even to boycott it. From our point of view, it's totally disheartening to see these things happen while we have all the information and accurate data about the [viability of the] project.
We know that their influence is strong, but not enough to stop our project. Moreover, we hope that after they see our ongoing work, they will eventually change their minds and become our clients once the game is released.
If this iteration of the campaign fails (again), hopefully the thread can be moved to somewhere appropriate like Dakka Discussions so the pertinent discussion may continue instead of being locked this time...
I for one am not boycotting the project - I hope it succeeds so I can buy it from retail - but at this point and after this amount of shenanigans I don't trust it/GZ enough to back it.
I'll probably back this one at the last moment. I like what GZ is trying to do and if it goes sideways...well, I've spent $100 for a night out a fair bit in my single days and all I had to show for it was a raging hangover and the occasional black eye. This will make for good entertainment if nothing else and I'd probably rather have nothing than 2 copies of Sedition Wars.
Azazelx wrote: If this iteration of the campaign fails (again), hopefully the thread can be moved to somewhere appropriate like Dakka Discussions so the pertinent discussion may continue instead of being locked this time...
I for one am not boycotting the project - I hope it succeeds so I can buy it from retail - but at this point and after this amount of shenanigans I don't trust it/GZ enough to back it.
I'm in the same boat, I really want a new version of Heroquest and I'd be a huge suporter of their crowdfunding if they went through the right channels. As it stands now if they game every gets a retail release I'll probably pick it up.
"This Heroquest version is a tribute remake of the original game to commemorate its 25th anniversary. All illustrations, board, miniatures, rules and any other components are brand new and property of Gamezone Miniatures."
and speaking of which, is it possible to have this thread moderated so it's only actual news, and have a separate Discussion thread for people who want to talk about things not related specifically to the crowdfunding campaign?
I'm with you guys. Love me some HeroQuest, glad I've got the original box in the den to pull out from time to time when we just want to play a fairly simple dungeon crawler and happen to have 5 people (a rarity, but it happens), but at this point I think I'll just wait for retail/online ordering and buy it at the end of next year/early 2015/whenever it's actually sitting on shelves.
This is an interesting bit about the shipping costs
Shipping will be tracked and signed for on delivery. Prices in the chart are illustrative only, but we keep working to offer you the best service. These prices are, in the worst case, the highest possible.
We turn your shipping costs into a gift voucher that you will be able to redeem for goods. Thus, the shipping cost becomes a direct discount in your next purchase at the Heroquest online store, which will open on Christmas next year, and you will be able to redeem it from then on. This way you will convert a painful expense into something practical.
so in theory it looks like you'll be able to offset the postage against more heroquest stuff later (but I bet you won't be able to use it for postage for that either)
They should probably just pick a rate and stick to it- generating a unique gift voucher for a different amount for each backer sounds like a logistical nightmare they haven't shown themselves capable of handling... and to use in an online store that doesn't yet exist, to boot!
Unless I'm misunderstanding- are they instead saying they'll credit the full shipping amount to future online purchases, regardless of what they pay in shipping? That doesn't seem to make sense... and is still selling something that doesn't yet even have a concept. If they were going to credit everyone such a high amount, why not just reduce the shipping cost?
Regardless, I wouldn't count on being able to use it without, as Orlando says, paying even more for shipping new items... so that means shipping is over $50 here.
DaveC wrote: I see they've disabled the comments page on the project (it's available on other projects)
Well, that makes sense, but will definitely cut down on "buzz".
My bet is within days of this closing, there will be an announcement of a name change, at least for an export version. Once all the cash is collected, it doesn't make any sense not to remove the potential legal obstacle with the name.
AFAIK, GZ *stil* has no legal document saying that Hasbro won't sue or otherwise go after them. So, even if Hasbro is in the wrong, they can not only tie up the game in the United States legal system, but GZ does not have enough *money* to resist a Hasbro C&D *even if it is wrong*. GZ might be able to get away with shipping a components-only product to USA backers, but GZ could also decide to use HQ money for legal fees, affecting even their domestic backers.
MYTH had a legal challenge from EA in July, a little over two months after the project ended, for a cosmetic change (the logo). MERCS, the MYTH creators, complied. AFAIK, *Nobody* saw this coming, and luckily it was done before game boxes et al. were printed. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1700755582/myth-0/posts/527334
The Up Front and Airborne in Your Pocket KSs show that *any* challenge that reaches the court, even if it's from a single person (who's willing to pay), can tie up a KS for over a year. AIYP ended September, 2012, Up Front ended January 2013, and the court case is still going. The challenge is regarding a personal debt owned by the creators, not about game IP issues.
But, after MYTH, the only thing that's clear is that it's never clear. MERCS is a small but experienced game company, had no IP issues, yet got hit with a C&D by a "big dog" company for an issue nobody anticipated. We already know a number of scenarios that can happen to the GZ HQ25 project, yet it may be something else that hits them. Conversely, we knew a possible scenario that could happen with Up Front and AIYP, and it happened.
KS is not a store. As much as we keep talking about HQ25 made at all, there *is* the possibility it will be made, but the funds for it will be tied up for a *long* time. HeroQuest has *plenty* of anniversary dates!
Great to see this is running again, although it's going to be another one of those 'pledge and then forget about it for 6 months' things! Hopefully it will be a game for next Xmas
Disappointed with the shipping costs but will be interesting if credit from that can be used in the Gamezone store..
They should probably just pick a rate and stick to it- generating a unique gift voucher for a different amount for each backer sounds like a logistical nightmare they haven't shown themselves capable of handling... and to use in an online store that doesn't yet exist, to boot!
This is exactly how their current online store works. You get your shipping costs back in store credit.
This it the full text from the crowdfunding campaign
"Shipping will be tracked and signed for on delivery. Prices in the chart are illustrative only, but we keep working to offer you the best service. These prices are, in the worst case, the highest possible.
Shipping costs are always the "ugly duckling" of these campaigns. To turn around this situation we have decided to apply the same successful shipping costs politics we use in our online store www.gamezoneminiatures.com. Unfortunately shipping costs do exist, but this way there is a chance for you to take advantage of them.
We turn your shipping costs into a gift voucher that you will be able to redeem for goods. Thus, the shipping cost becomes a direct discount in your next purchase at the Heroquest online store, which will open on Christmas next year, and you will be able to redeem it from then on. This way you will convert a painful expense into something practical."
RiTides wrote: The credit will only be usable at their new HeroQuest site, though, not the current online store.
Right, but the system is already in place and works just fine.
This would apply to backers as well as retail purchasers btw. Gamezone credits your account with the shipping costs (also refunding VAT as previously mentioned). Since the Spanish crowdfunding is already a big success, I can easily see new expansions and stuff. Personally, since I'm already ordering direct from Gamezone or their main distributors overseas, this is nice and simple too. 30 euro shipping for a big box is reasonable, then that 30 euro credited to my account so I can buy another set of terrain for basically free is more than reasonable
Hrrrrrrrrrrrrm. With all that has gone wrong, they may have invented the new 'gold standard' for how to deal with international shipping.
I would be much more open to backing international projects and paying for shipping when I get it back as store credit. Seems very smart to me. I think a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth would end for RoW shipping issues.
I think I may back this simply for the lulz. I want the product, I can basically pretend this is like 'gambling' 200$ on blackjack and whatever happens, happens.
I did notice something interesting: If you look at the board under the models on the image, notice the board around the center room is 'different' shape? It does look like there have been some modifications to make it 'technically different'. They should have just called it "25 Questing Adventurers!" and been done with it.
No ones interested in this projects any longer, or is it just Christmas?
The Spiderqueen and the levers look promising. Not so sure about the goblin npcs. Probably great for dungeon-based rpgs, but Hero Quest has always been more of a hack-n-slash game.
Heroquest has always had cinematic aspects to it which were represented by 'this regular goblin has a crossbow' or 'this gargoyle is a statue'.
A lot of those 'NPC's are direct out of the old quests like Sir Ragnar.
The nice thing about HQ was you don't have to 'make up' a DM quest. If you are going to slay the wight king, it is basically set for you in 12 easy sessions.
If they are going to have a questpack which uses those NPCs, then that is a good thing IMHO. All about some spider queen and goblin king over here!
adhuin wrote: No ones interested in this projects any longer, or is it just Christmas?
Typically, the first two or three days of a crowdfunded project (on KS) are busy, then it hits the doldrums until the last three or so.
Dunno about internationals, but holiday shopping in the US has been pretty aggressive since Black Friday (day after Thanksgiving). Plus Dwarven Forge is going to have a caverns KS in February!
adhuin wrote: No ones interested in this projects any longer, or is it just Christmas?
The Spiderqueen and the levers look promising. Not so sure about the goblin npcs. Probably great for dungeon-based rpgs, but Hero Quest has always been more of a hack-n-slash game.
My guess is there's nothing much new to add now that the drama of whether this will stick around for a day have died down. If you head over to BGG, the arguments are still going in the same circles they always have, which is getting pretty tedious.
Been thinking about this for the past couple days and here's my .02.
As I see it, there are two stages to the development that bring different risks. I see a lot of people focusing on fulfillment and not focusing on the funding.
Stage 1 - Funding. Getting the most people to fund based upon name recognition without hitting a trademark violation (i.e.,KS1). Still not sure why Verkami walked away, but that's water under the bridge at this point. Lanzanos has made it pretty clear that GZ is a Spanish company with a Spanish Trademark. Note, there's nothing mentioned about shipping anymore beyond they'll worry about it after the fact, cutting out any potential issue from MD and the US. I don't think we'll see any rules, greens, printed material beyond what is in place anymore to prevent any potential copyright issue from Hasbro/GW. The minimal structure the the funding project makes it stronger and the biggest danger at this point from GZ is saying something or doing something stupid that gives MD an opening.
Stage 2 - Fulfillment - Everyone is focusing on this as being the difficult part when Hasbro/GW "will" prevent them from moving forward. IMHO, this is the easy part. GZ has the money, they can do whatever they want. They can change the name, they can change the mechanics, they can change whatever they want to. Weeble, can someone sue about copyright infringement for a derivative work without some sort of physical good released? I bet we won't see anything during this process that is the least bit derivative of the original game (i.e, we'll only see what the new outdoor side of the board look like, not the dungeon view).
I'll pitch in on the last day, because I think once it gets to that point, something will be made.
I was quite happy with the look of the game. It was the crappy tedium that came after it that lost my interest.
I'd really like to wish them success, though, thier current line of figures is top notch, and harkens back to 3-4th edition fantasy in terms of style.
I as well would like one of the games, but I'm done with crowdfunding until theres some way to honestly stop nicking about and get the games in stores. Every tom dick and harry has a crowd funding scheme, but there are really the rare ones that are following up and keeping the "Funded games" stocked and up and running.
Anyone know if I can just up and ... buy one of these games without the added gak up?
How much for just buying one game, and the additional stuff?
I might be mad, but I'm still really excited by this project - If it was out now I'd buy it in a heartbeat! I'll wait until the end of this not-kickstarter and maybe chip in for a copy (worth a punt for all those stretch goals).
Well they couldn't go 40 odd days without some controversy - MK Ultra studios are no longer sculpting the miniatures there's a post by Daniel from MK on BGG with the details http://boardgamegeek.com/article/14372928#14372928
Short story MK Ultra can't get straight answers from GZ and they are concerned about damage to their own reputation by association so they feel they can't continue.
Didn't MK Ultra do the Mantic Men At Arms? No great loss there
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Probably the right move dropping out) from MK Ultra since they were going to be doing the work but only get paid after the crowd funding money came in
with the potential legal issues and with 2 different crowd funding projects failing it's probably not worth the risk
so the next question who is Gamezone going to get to do the sculpting now?
rather odd especially since the money is already collected. Lanzanos charges you immediately once the project is funded.
Thankfully there's more than one digital sculptor on the planet and Gamezone's already made $165,000 on Lanzanos... plenty of people like paychecks
Short story MK Ultra can't get straight answers from GZ and they are concerned about damage to their own reputation by association so they feel they can't continue.
Lately, I find forums more harmful than helpful but due to the fact that we are now working in projects that surely will appear in these forums, I don't see a reason to don't left a post here from time to time (in my stinky english)
Triple9 wrote: Stage 2 - Fulfillment - Everyone is focusing on this as being the difficult part when Hasbro/GW "will" prevent them from moving forward. IMHO, this is the easy part. GZ has the money, they can do whatever they want. They can change the name, they can change the mechanics, they can change whatever they want to. Weeble, can someone sue about copyright infringement for a derivative work without some sort of physical good released? I bet we won't see anything during this process that is the least bit derivative of the original game (i.e, we'll only see what the new outdoor side of the board look like, not the dungeon view).
One possibility is that GZ releases an entirely different ruleset, including cards, and has a different name for the US translation. IIRC, GZ also said their game would be a new game,and different ruleset *would* be a new game. Miniature painters might not mind, since the sculpts will be the same (?), but boardgamers...
But speaking of miniatures, now that Mk has pulled out, now what??
EDIT: GZ's response in an update: "To answer your question straight away: no, it won't affect the miniature creation process in any way, as here at GameZone we have always sculpted our own models. And it is the same for HQ25. MKultra was contacted to have an additional backup for our sculptor, and they got us in touch with another modeller from our same city so we could work with him in a direct and personal way. MKultra involvement in this issue is just to get their commission for this business management as a middleman, nothing else.
Thank you for your good will to the project. Truth is, that all this "controversy bubble" around it is really unnecesary."
Also, are the miniatures shown in the video MK Ultra's? If so, are you retaining them, or are they property of GameZone?
If the former, that would mean that there are no WIPs of any sculpts yet... But since comments are disabled on the campaign that can't be discussed there.
RiTides wrote: Also, are the miniatures shown in the video MK Ultra's?
No, it aren't...
And we prefer to don't say anymore about all that subject beyond this post. We aren't against GZM... but in Spain, if you are not at the side of something, you are against... Even if you say over and over that you aren't, and if you explain your true motives of quitting from one job, it doesn't matter.
My message in BGG had only one purpose. To keep my word and my company's name clear after seeing lies and strange movements.
The words from GZM explaining what I WRONGLY (I accept that) comment in one FB's post were that what I've said in that comment wasn't real, and that was a setback for my word (I wasn't making up anything, they told me that they talked with Hasbro, and the laughs were loud) and my company (so, no Hasbro laughs? no agreement wtih them? more crowdfunding cancellations and no payment for the studio? No thanks, sir) This message is in the net since 13th December.
By that time I didn't say a word, I didn't (and I don't) care what the "spanish miniature-market" thinks about my word or my company. I didn't have, and we WON'T have any more bussiness there...
Simply, I sent a mail to GZM telling that the name of MKUltra Studio retires from the HQ project. We accepted the work in the name of the studio, we didn't put in contact anybody with anybody, the fact that our sculpter and GZM are from the same city (Seville) is a (lucky) coincidence for them, because they were in a real hurry for a sculpter... (Why? you can wonder... I also know facts that nobody knows, but I keep my mouth shut, as I said We don't want to put more gasoline in the fire, that's not our goal, as I said) And so, we retired from the project.
We didn't have a response from them to this message. We didn't care. There was work (WIPs) made by that time... The payment and the use of that work is not our bussiness anymore, and quoting a famous TV-host from the 80s spanish television "Hasta aquí puedo leer". There is people that didn't say a word in this drama and don't deserve to get involved.
But by the time that these words appears in an international forum as BGG, that's a totally different thing. I have very important orders from many foreign (for me, USA is foreign hehehe) companies, and I want that ANYBODY that could read or investigate the "Heroquest-gate" drama could have my interpretation of all this subject. Again, my company and my word is clean of anything strange, obscure or harmful for the industry.
The result of all this is more lies about us... (we AREN'T commision-agents, that's was offensive for us, with all our respect to comission agents) Enough is enough. We make a final statment in our FB, in spanish, that will be deleted tomorrow, and that's all.
At this moment, we shut up the mouth about all this drama ... We have A LOT of work to do, and our time is gold.
EDITED for gramatical corrections... Again guys, sorry for my english...
Joyboozer - reading some of the Spanish forums regarding this game, I certainly got the feeling that there was a lot of passion behind this project. It seems like they really wanted to make it happen, but there was also obviously a lack of preparation as well. And now, when you start to fall foul of 'cackling bad guy from Disney movies wearing a stetson and crocodile leather shoes waving legal papers' it's quite possible this will end in a loss for everyone.
But, the funding is going quite strongly at present. I will pledge and take what I think is probably only a small risk, against what I still think will be a potentially awesome payout next Xmas when a bunch of friends and I are busy sending our nicely sculpted barbarian, dwarf, elf and wizard into the dungeon. It's the thought of that which keeps me going!
judgedoug wrote: Didn't MK Ultra do the Mantic Men At Arms? No great loss there
There was a post about this on the Mantic section of the forum, Scarletsquig spoke to someone who told him the story. Apparently there was some kind of logistical problem (to do with software compatibility) that meant some guy in China ended up doing the 3D modelling of those Men at arms. The Men at arms concept had originally been designed by the French sculptor they have working for them (I forget his name), but the finished product was nothing like the original because of the breakdown in communication.
Render doesn't look bad, but yea, that he doesn't fit on his base is weird. Is he going to overlap his box making crowded rooms a hassle? Also, have they said who their digital sculptor is? Curious as to what previous works the person had or if there is a personal webpage for their work.
The game is still pulling in 155K euros with a month left. And that is despite all the news and mismanagement. It may not get as high as previously, but it will likely pull in enough for it to still considered a strong success.
But yea, will be waiting for the retail version with Breotan.
Interesting thing is that this one doesn't seem to be having the mid-KS doldrums. They seem to continue to be gaining steam at around 5kEur a day. Very much how KSs were before they became a pre-marketing blitz and the curve changed to a 'front-loaded' blast opposed to a steady snowball.
Hero Quest seems to be quite a catch for Lanzanos.
Hero Quest: 190k and counting.
Next biggest ongoing project: 3k.
And the biggest project in Lanzano history seems to be in tens of thousands.
Drama aside, Is anyone else seriously impressed about the ideas for the add-ons? I think the dungeon terrain and useful bitz are great ideas. Every one is super useful and I would love them for Dungecrawling.
Aside from the drama, the whole thing looks great. Unfortunately, the drama aspect is pretty overwhelming at this point, and I don't have $200-odd spare to gamble on something like this these days.
I hadn't seen that render of the Barbarian, is WAAAY much better than the red concept shown in the campaign trailer. I think they should have started to show this stuff much earlier. Like 2 crowdfundings ago, LOL.
I agree. I expected the 2nd try would have started with the addition of renders on the front page. By the 3rd try its clear they're mostly trying to stick to a ridiculous slow reveal plan or they just don't have much to show. Considering this barbarian is far different from the red one seen in the box contents layout it makes me really wonder what they've been doing since the first campaign kicked off and why so little gets updated.
I'm definitely going to pledge, but will wait for another few weeks or so (just in case there are any more legal shenanigans.. not that I'm worried about losing the money, which I think is unlikely, but would rather not have that sinking feeling with the cancellation message that happened before!)
Pacific wrote: I'm definitely going to pledge, but will wait for another few weeks or so (just in case there are any more legal shenanigans.. not that I'm worried about losing the money, which I think is unlikely, but would rather not have that sinking feeling with the cancellation message that happened before!)
My thought is the last 24 hours will see a huge uptick for just this reason. I'm waiting until then for the reason you outlined.
I think as people 'find out' about this new crowdfunding drive, they are casually trickling in. They have had steady growth which is not common in a lot of KS now a days which have a large burst, the doldrums then a final burst.
If they allow people to increase pledges and buy multiple sets next year when they get closer to production, It may be possible to 'pile on' other people's pledges. Who knows?
I am simply gambling on this one. So if it goes up in smoke I won't get terribly mad about it.
Yep, welcome to KickStarter. Hansfree, Doom that Came to Atlantic City, Up Front, Katalyka, take your pick.
Anyway, I can't find the BBG post, but Hasbro went after a fansite which tried to make money (but didn't shut down ones that don't), and went after Falomir Juegos, fine maker of Hero Cults, Spacego, and other Spanish games, who paid some sort of fine or whatever. Apparently, legal funds are part of their company budget, and the joke is their staff consists of "two lawyers, a secretary, and a game designer" or something like that.
as with others I might take a gamble on this if it gets to the last day, I have some spare funds already in my Paypal account (and that's the only reason I'd invest I wouldn't put this on my credit card) so I might risk it and it is just that a risk more so than most crowdfunders out there but I'm fully prepared for the possibility that I might have nothing to show for that €110 in 12 months time.
silent25 wrote: Are those bases the figs on the going to be the same scale for each? That dwarf is going to be huge! He looks to be the same height as the zombies.
Assuming they're using the same sized base, it looks like there's some zooming in/out across those preview images.
So while the Dwarf may be hefty, I think there's a bit of optical illusion (not intentional, just lined up like that) making it look bigger than it might be on the table.
That skeleton looks great - got a real Harryhausen (almost Skyrim?) style look to it. Love the minimalistic styling, and the proportions they've gone for.
silent25 wrote: Are those bases the figs on the going to be the same scale for each? That dwarf is going to be huge! He looks to be the same height as the zombies.
I'm guessing probably not, unless Gamezone don't understand the meaning and concept behind the word 'dwarf'!
I have received my Gamezone resin-plastic Dark Elf cavalry and infantry, along with a bonus surprise of unreleased Dark Elf crossbowmen and sorceress. In the previous thread there had been some people asking about the quality: at first glance they are fantastic. Let me know if anyone wants me to post pics and such on this thread or if another thread is more appropriate.
Alpharius wrote: I think pictures here would be fine - and appreciated!
I took a lot of pics!
I ordered two sets of infantry and two sets of cavalry. I had originally ordered from the Gamezone German distributor but they were backordered (by several months) due to high demand; so I canceled that order and placed my order directly with Gamezone Spain in late December. It shipped December 27 and arrived at my doorstep today. Gamezone staff apologized for the German distributor being out of stock and promised to send me a free gift - which arrived in the form of a free Sorceress and a free set of crossbowmen!
The detail level is absurdly high. There's a couple different shades of the material, I guess like resin. The texture reminds me of Finecast but a little less spongey. I have failed to find any miscasts. There's very few mold lines on the infantry... or very fine ones... the worst I've seen is on the command (esp the standard bearer). However, the material is much closer to resin or plastic than Mantic or PP's PVC/Restic, so I was able to scrape the mold line with an xacto blade with no problem, which is reallllllly nice. I've been messing with these guys for an hour now and I like this material a LOT. It's easier to work with than metal and restic and seems to be sturdier than Finecast resin. Fileable, scrapable.
I honestly can find no major faults and I'm looking forward to ordering more of the new product. The figures are an absolutely amazing steal at only 25,50€ for 30 infantry with command or 24,50€ for 5 cavalry. That is, roughly a dollar per infantry figure or six bucks per cavalry.
Also they give you a half dozen extra spears, I guess in case you break some, which is nice.
They've just posted an update about the new game board. Looks really neat, similar enough to the original to allow you to replay the old quests, but tweaked slightly to mix games up a little bit.
Thanks for that post judgedoug, been wondering what their plastic is like for a long time now.
In many ways I'm wondering if surging ahead with converting their metal lines to that new material would be a much better use of their efforts at this point in time.
For the most part it seems to be priced similarly to Mantic restic so if the material is superior then they're really on to something.
scarletsquig wrote: Thanks for that post judgedoug, been wondering what their plastic is like for a long time now.
In many ways I'm wondering if surging ahead with converting their metal lines to that new material would be a much better use of their efforts at this point in time.
For the most part it seems to be priced similarly to Mantic restic so if the material is superior then they're really on to something.
And obviously the resinplastic Crossbowmen have yet to be released as well as the Sorceress.
So perhaps the DE spearmen and cavalry were a test - in which case, Great Success!
It's cheaper than restic, has better detail, less mold lines. Well, I guess, depending. Some of my restic models are excellent (mawbeasts, gore riders, veer-myn, to give credit where credit's due)
I'll probably order the GZ High Elf spearmen too, once they release another kit or officially release the DE crossbowmen (larger orders are better as they refund VAT for orders over 90,15E for USA customers)
Do they suffer from Finecraft-itis? Saggy weapons/ bendy figures?
Hmm, I'll have to check to see if I own any GWDE (don't think I do). I have lots of GW HE I can post a comparison of. Would that work? I also have: GW Empire & Tomb Kings, Mordheim, Mantic Elves/Dwarves/Goblins/Orcs, Avatars of War dwarves, 40k Eldar, AT-43 UNA and Therians, Confrontation Lion/Ram/Wolfen, Perry AWI, Warlord Bolt Action US/Germans, Warlord ECW, Fife & Drum, more... let me know
They are definitely not spongey like Finecast. Much more rigid. Since they give you extra spears I think I'll try the bend/break test tonight.
Have a friend who got a box of the spears and dark riders. The spears were bent, but nothing good old hot water can't fix and they didn't appear to bend back.
Have some green stuff ready though for the horses. There are some major gaps between the neck and body.
Scale wise, I recall GZ being slightly smaller, but that was next to the high flying witch elves.
I would not refer to these figs as a sign of sculpting quality for the HQ25 figs. These were traditionally sculpted and by a different sculptor who supposedly doesn't work for GZ anymore.
I don't have the minis available in order to post a pic (may do so in the first chance) but they are smaller than the GW Dark Elves, especially from the corsairs release and after (they are a bit closer to old Black Guards but still smaller). I am not sure if I should group of 25mm or 28mm but they are definitely not GW heroic size.
In any case great minis and great prices for what they meant to be used to.
Guys, I realized last night that the material is almost exactly like Trollcast. As I am a huge fan of that material, from my huge Red Box Games Helsvakt KS pledge, I was made even happier. It's sturdy and holds an amazing level of detail.
judgedoug wrote: Guys, I realized last night that the material is almost exactly like Trollcast. As I am a huge fan of that material, from my huge Red Box Games Helsvakt KS pledge, I was made even happier. It's sturdy and holds an amazing level of detail.
Oh damn, that is really good news. Trollcast is great material. It takes sanding and cleaning of lines REALLY well.
I have a feeling these will be less heroic scale, but could potentially be really great.
judgedoug wrote: Guys, I realized last night that the material is almost exactly like Trollcast. As I am a huge fan of that material, from my huge Red Box Games Helsvakt KS pledge, I was made even happier. It's sturdy and holds an amazing level of detail.
Oh damn, that is really good news. Trollcast is great material. It takes sanding and cleaning of lines REALLY well.
I have a feeling these will be less heroic scale, but could potentially be really great.
Speaking just about the dwarves, I would say they are a pretty good fit for the older GW and metal dwarves. Not the newer GW plastics so much, which are basically a beard with feet, but I've got some of the older GW engineers and Mordheim dwarves and they fit perfectly with the GZ ones (even within the same unit).
Not sure how relevant that will be for Heroquest, but just thought I would share my experience of GZ's other miniatures.
Petrified Gargoyle render the plinth is a bit plain but the gargoyle looks great, EDIT - ah the plinth is hollow so something can go in it and the gargoyle can be removed from it explains the design.
EDIT:
The first add ons:
1. Bone pack: 4 zombies, 4 skeletons and 2 mummies €10
2. Green pack: 6 goblins, 8 orcs €14
3. Modular board (individual tiles) 23 rooms and 28 corridors. Single sided with the Alfa board pattern only. €22
Pack 2 corresponds to the extra contents of the Kellers Keep expansion (without the Fimir) and Pack 1 seems to be based on Return of the Witch Lord but it's short a few minis (The Silent Passages needs 12 Skeletons)
I finally broke down and pledged last night. Wonder how long after the campaign ends before we get an e-mail from GZ saying they're renaming the game
Paying by Credit Card was a bit of a pain as it got flagged; I had to call my CC company to confirm it was me and then re-pledge. Never had that happen before for an international transaction.
Triple9 wrote: I finally broke down and pledged last night. Wonder how long after the campaign ends before we get an e-mail from GZ saying they're renaming the game
It has been already, the Jan 11 update - different countries will get differently named versions
the tl;dr version is
three editions of the game
HeroQuest 25th Anniversary, Founder Edition
for the backers
HeroQuest 25th Anniversary, Retail Edition
"This is the anniversary edition That will reach the stores in Spain and the others ultimately from country clubs with Which We eat to a distribution agreement With. It will be available on Christmas 2014 while stock lasts at a price Between 85 and 95 euros."
HeroQuest Classic
"Identical to the ones with previously described, except for the box design and the lack of any reference to the 25th anniversary. This will be the only edition you will find in stores Regularly (including ours) from 2015 onwards."
WIP on the reverse side of the main board- not quite what I was expecting when they said outdoors apparently it's based on a town layout the outer ruins of the Coast of the Dead Cities as they call it given they are unlocking a Vampire type expansion at the moment it probably fits with that. At least with the game board having no border (artwork goes right to the edge) it should be easy to expand this with the tile pack.
It's not at all what I was expecting, but I like the board. I was assuming there'd be big open areas and a grassy wild feel to give a drastically different style of play.
More variety can never be a bad thing.
Slinky wrote: Has anyone who paid via PayPal actually been charged yet?
My "pre-approved" plan has just been "approved" for a week.
same here. It's not been as long for me as it has you, but it's still not gone through on my paypal
As far as I know, that is the standard way it works on kickstarter (never actually backed anything on there myself), but on Lanzanos it says that funding should be taken as soon as the project reaches it's goal. Any pledges made after the goal is reached, until the closing date, should get paid immediately.
From one of their pervious updates:
When will payment be made?
As our project has already reached 100% of the funding needed to make it real (actually, we have already passed beyond 200%... again, thank you all!), payment will be immediate. This is different from the way other crowdfunding platforms, such as Kickstarter or Indiegogo, work and, as usual, it has both some pros and cons. You will find detailed information about this subject in section 6 of Lánzanos FAQs.
I think from what I've heard (haven't backed yet) for this project Lanzanos have decided not to collect paypal pledges until the end as backers can have multiple charges on record and it's cheaper and easier for them to put everything through in one go rather than as pledges are made.
Another nice character mini but that fine detail on the robes won't translate on a miniature and I wouldn't expect to still be there in the final piece better to get rid of it now than have a half defined mess on the mini
It's only a little update but has anyone else seen the poll they've posted?
No idea if it's only available for backers or to everyone, but they're giving people a chance to choose what we want to have on the other side of the additional room tiles. Nothing massive but it's cool to see that they're open to suggestions.
Well thank you all for this great thread.
I am on-and-off out of the loop where my hobby of wargaming is concerned so dont always keep up with the news.
Being a longtime fan of Heroquest (old set in wardrobe) this project I find fantastic.
Why do I need a new set when I have the old, good question, though the minis and production values look fantastic.
Also, im a collector, so if I dont have this then a bit of my set will be missing
Anyways, lets hope the potential issues are avoided and this set gets its full production run.
Ive just pledged my tier-3 support so lets hope it all goes well.
Now to worry about the potential buckets of new stuff that they might release on their Heroquest website after December, that I wont be able to afford haha.
Cheers for this thread and the heads-up it gave me.
Cypher-xv wrote: Is this coming back to retail or can I only get thru ks?
HeroQuest 25th Anniversary, Founder Edition
for the backers
HeroQuest 25th Anniversary, Retail Edition
"This is the anniversary edition That will reach the stores in Spain and the others ultimately from countries and distributors with Which We reach a distribution agreement With. It will be available on Christmas 2014 while stock lasts at a price Between 85 and 95 euros."
HeroQuest Classic
"Identical to the ones with previously described, except for the box design and the lack of any reference to the 25th anniversary. This will be the only edition you will find in stores Regularly (including ours) from 2015 onwards."
Cypher-xv wrote: Is this coming back to retail or can I only get thru ks?
In the US, it's unlikely you can get any of the versions from a US retail store, because of IP issues. At the worse, the game will be shipped to KS backers, and Hasbro has them seized at customs.
@Cypher and @All: Better do your due diligence and slog through the flame on BoardGameGeek about the HeroQuest IP. A sleeping giant doesn't always wake, but, last I heard, GZ hasn't produced a written statement from Hasbro that they won't take legal action, and Hasbro hasn't sent them any legal notice.
Red Corsair wrote: So I am new to crowd funding and I have a few questions:
1. Can I back this twice at the 3rd level to grab everything twice?
Yes just enter €220 instead of €110 and enter a comment that it's for 2 sets
2. When do I pay for shipping? How?
You will be billed separately for shipping later as they are going to bill for shipping on actual shipping prices. Don't enter anything now for shipping but be prepared for a separate shipping bill of €30 per set or so later.
3. When do I pay? Need the funds ready in my account?
Credit cards are charged straight away paypal charges are being held until just after the funding ends on Sunday.
Thanks to whomever replies!
I'd recommend doing some research on this and being aware of the risks involved in this project more so than any other crowd funding project there's a chance that Hasbro might try to take action against Gamezone later on and tie the whole project up legally. There is a chance you might never see anything from this project equally it could all be fine but as with all crowd funding never commit more funds that you are prepared to lose if it all goes pear shaped.
For my own part I'm willing to gamble €110 on this I understand the risks involved and if. I lose out so be it but hopefully I'll have a fancy new set of Heroquest stuff to go with my old set next Christmas. That said I haven't backed yet and won't back until the last day just to be sure that the funding at least runs it's full course and there are no last minute problems. Once you back on Lanzanos you can't cancel it yourself you have to go through their customer support I'd rather just wait until the last few hours.
Red Corsair wrote: So I am new to crowd funding and I have a few questions:
1. Can I back this twice at the 3rd level to grab everything twice?
Yes just enter €220 instead of €110 and enter a comment that it's for 2 sets
2. When do I pay for shipping? How?
You will be billed separately for shipping later as they are going to bill for shipping on actual shipping prices. Don't enter anything now for shipping but be prepared for a separate shipping bill of €30 per set or so later.
3. When do I pay? Need the funds ready in my account?
Credit cards are charged straight away paypal charges are being held until just after the funding ends on Sunday.
Thanks to whomever replies!
I'd recommend doing some research on this and being aware of the risks involved in this project more so than any other crowd funding project there's a chance that Hasbro might try to take action against Gamezone later on and tie the whole project up legally. There is a chance you might never see anything from this project equally it could all be fine but as with all crowd funding never commit more funds that you are prepared to lose if it all goes pear shaped.
For my own part I'm willing to gamble €110 on this I understand the risks involved and if. I lose out so be it but hopefully I'll have a fancy new set of Heroquest stuff to go with my old set next Christmas. That said I haven't backed yet and won't back until the last day just to be sure that the funding at least runs it's full course and there are no last minute problems. Once you back on Lanzanos you can't cancel it yourself you have to go through their customer support I'd rather just wait until the last few hours.
Oh I am aware of the background and am more then willing to lose €300 if this goes belly up.
That said I am still hoping someone can answer my 3 questions in regard to crowd funding.
Thanks for the advice on waiting, that is what I have been doing as well.
Thanks for answering my questions as well. HUGE help mate! I remember opening the game on X-mas for the first time! My dad is an Italian immigrant and we were little so we were pronouncing the chaos warroirs, ch-ows instead of k-aos until my American mom came in curious as to what the heck we were saying and corrected us
Ah grand so I remember opening this game myself - 25 years ago! and the funny thing is I was in Spain at the time - sorry I edited the 3 answers into the quote.
While I've been adding things to this thread to keep it up to date I just wanted to stress to people (especially those new to crowd funding) the risks involved in this crowd funder but like I said I'm prepared to take that risk.
I think the charity shop original (not complete as usual) I've picked up today might just have enough bits to let me rebuild a complete set with the bits I already have
time for a few games to see how the nostalgia holds up in real life before I decide on this one
Orlanth wrote: I want in on this but cant pay right now.
When will I be billed if I back?
Europe postage is also a bit steep.
On Lanzanos, backers are billed as soon as the project is funded. So you would be billed immediately upon pledging.
GZ will give you a Heroquest online store voucher equal to the shipping you pay. The store is targeted for Christmas next year to open.
Good luck!
Is there no way to add funds later through a pledge manager/PayPal? Say put in €50 now and the rest in a couple of weeks when items sell on ebay or when I get paid at the end of the month.
Red Corsair wrote:1. Can I back this twice at the 3rd level to grab everything twice?
2. When do I pay for shipping? How?
3. When do I pay? Need the funds ready in my account?
1. Yes, apparently you just have to back the 110 pledge level, change the amount to 220€ and put a comment in the box to say you want two full sets with all the stretch goals.
2.apparently the price isn't 100% set in stone yet. It depends on the number of stretch goals unlocked and therefore the size of the box(es) needed to fit it all in. The prices listed are rough guidelines, but they will contact all backers when stuff is finalised to confirm the precise cost, which will be paid at that point. Who knows when that will be though, some time between Sunday and December! As others have said, they give you store credit equal to the shipping costs.
3. They say that you should be charged immedeatly after backing the project (after it reached its goal). But I backed it a couple of weeks ago now and the paypal transaction hasn't gone through. Been sat there authorized for ages, they just haven't taken it yet.
Does lanzanos or GZ send out emails when there is an update? I backed a couple weeks ago and unless I periodically go to the site, I have no idea what's new. Trying to figure out if mail is getting blocked somewhere or not.
Triple9 wrote: Does lanzanos or GZ send out emails when there is an update? I backed a couple weeks ago and unless I periodically go to the site, I have no idea what's new. Trying to figure out if mail is getting blocked somewhere or not.
They don't seem to send out mails, no, you have to check the page.
Just got word from Paypal that my money will be transfered although the project still has 2 days to finish. Am I the only one or are more people billed? I don't mind as the project is funded, it is rather strange that you get billed a few days before it ended, no?
Unlike Kickstarter Lanzanos takes payment when the project hits 100% funded whether the project is finished or not for this project they delayed taking Paypal payments but they appear to be processing them now that there's only a day or 2 left.
DaveC wrote: Unlike Kickstarter Lanzanos takes payment when the project hits 100% funded whether the project is finished or not for this project they delayed taking Paypal payments but they appear to be processing them now that there's only a day or 2 left.
So I just read that they're gonna toss in a dragon in resin, and my reaction was "don't these things cost a lot of money to make"? Torn Armor isn't the first project or KS project that underestimated its costs, but sure makes it salient for miniature boardgamers. Anyone have a guesstimate?
I swear, after this RAFM Cthulhu Mini's KS, I'm gonna stop. Okay, after this RAFM Cthulhu Mini's KS *and* the Dwarven Forge Caverns KS I'm gonna stop. Okay...
ced1106 wrote:So I just read that they're gonna toss in a dragon in resin, and my reaction was "don't these things cost a lot of money to make"?
GZ are an established model making company that have been doing this for years, I'm sure they'll be able to produce all the minatures that they say they're going to without any trouble.
In fact, the production of the game to a high standard is one of the few things I'm not worried about in this this crowd funding
ced1106 wrote:So I just read that they're gonna toss in a dragon in resin, and my reaction was "don't these things cost a lot of money to make"?
Crowdfunding isn't necessarily there for profit, its there to generate income prior to production costs are fully outlayed.
With some companies this will cause problems, but as Gorechild rightly says Gamezone has enough experience to cost out the business plan competently.
Gorechild wrote: [
GZ are an established model making company that have been doing this for years, I'm sure they'll be able to produce all the minatures that they say they're going to without any trouble.
In fact, the production of the game to a high standard is one of the few things I'm not worried about in this this crowd funding
Agreed.
As for the dragon, its a loss leader, sell it now to gain funds to sell the products later at full price. I suspect most of the pieces for this game have little to do with Heroquest they are just generic fantasy pieces. I for one never really liked Heroquest and I prefer to stick with Descent, but I have the miniatures and it all adds up to a massive bargain for fantasy stuff. I will give it a spin when I get my copy, but I am in it for the toys.
I think there's a misunderstanding about the Dragon unless I missed something over night they are doing a Great Wyrm as a stretch goal it will be on a base 3 squares x 2 squares and it's wing less so more worm than wyrm. Plus none of this is proper resin it's Gamezones plastic resin.
At €545,000 ($742,000) now and rising quick enough, they should have the funds to make this they stopped adding stretch goals in any meaningful way at around €450,000 so they aren't funding more models now. Also unlike Kickstarter none of that money is for shipping that's a separate charge later that's €545,000 purely to make the game. The only fly in the ointment is if something where to happen legally afterwords.
Lanzanos has a weird system the project has 9478 backers but every pledge level is pledged for separately so some backers count multiple times. As of now 4283 have pledged for the game itself at 1 of 3 levels. The rest are for add ons.
I've put my €110 in this morning Paypal took payment straight away now to wait and see.
They don't seem to have an add-on price for the wyrm, but if this delivers and if they offer it as one later, I may ask if anyone is willing to let me add it on.
That's a lot of "ifs" and I try not to commit to renders-only campaigns. But I have to say, the renders look good. This is the first thing that comes up if you search "lanzanos" now
I have put in a small amount to hold a place as such, I am really hoping they have a pledge manager in a couple of weeks so I can increase my amount to go for the €110 level.
Just had a look at the ending soon page and Lanzanos swaps to hours for the last 24 hours so still more than a day left at a guess there is 26.5 hours left if it finshes at 0:00 CET.
EDIT: update 34 confirms 23:59 CET Sunday 9th end time.
From the dungeon…
Mentor Captives, Lanzanos, Shipping costs,
Our crowdfunding campaign is coming to an end. The time for stragglers to join the group of more than 4.000 backers that have trusted us will end in little more than 10 hours, so tell your friends and spread the word. There is no turning back… HeroQuest will celebrate its 25th anniversary with the best tribute we could possibly think of: filling our sunday afternoons again with magic and adventure, facing orcs, skeletons and gargoyles, searching for treasures and avoiding traps.
There is still plenty of work ahead of us, but before returning to the dungeon to use our whips on the backs of sculptors, illustrators and hardcore players, there are some issues we want to discuss with you:
The campaign will end today, at 11:59 pm Spanish time, but don’t wait to the last minute! Lánzanos online servers will be grateful for that.
This is a good time to remember the three editions that will be released, how will shipping costs be handled with and the way to redeem them for gift vouchers in the yet-to-be official HeroQuest store.
Speaking of shipping costs, we are very close to get them even better, so stay tuned for next week’s update with all the info about the system we will use to confirm your orders, shipping costs according to the volume and delivery address, and the name you want written in the game’s box.
We have made a comparative study with all three pledge levels of this Funder Edition, which you can use to see at a glance all the content of the basic box, the 15 heroes pack and the 55 unlocked rewards.
We have also improved the Spiders Pack available as an optional add-on, to include two more Spider Eggs pieces without rising its price. This way, Level 3 pledgers that purchase one of these will have 9 spiders, its Queen and 4 egg sacs to create a really scary nest.
And last but not least to finish this bunch of mini-updates, we want to reveal a little secret about the captives (Level 3 rewards). You have surely noticed that two of them are chained to a wall section, so some of you wondered if the heroes should drag them all across the dungeon to rescue them. The answer is no. The knight and the female prisioner (whose miniature will be in a different pose from that showed in the illustration) will both include an extra set of arms to quickly swap them after being freed thanks to a couple of tiny neodymium magnets. This peculiarity has been in our sculptor’s mind from the beginning and, with a bit of luck, we will be able to show you the result on the actual minis soon enough.
That is an absolutely nuts amount of miniatures and little add-ons for the 110 Euro mark. I own quite a few Gamezone miniatures and was quite worried when I read some of their sculptors had left. But, the CAD images we have seen so far have done enough to convince me they could probably up to the mark as far as dungeon-crawl games go.
And there is so much carry-over with this kind of stuff for D&D players, Warhammer or whatever.
Think I've left it long enough to wait for some party-pooper to step in with a C&D and hoping it is safe now, time to jump in with both feet!
I finally pledged yesterday. I believe that the kind of communication they have been offering last weeks is what they should have done in the first campaign on KS. The current renders look really good (not a fan of the Wizard, but... whatever). I hope they will finally offer a good product and... free of legal soap operas.
and update 35 (using google translate the English version probably won't go up before it ends) speaking of which lanzanos is very slow now. Not sure what that 3 day extension thing is about clock shows 49 minutes left.
Orc Big Boss and improved monster cards
Mentor Developing, Enemies, Miniatures, Orks,
The expected day has come. Within just an hour officially conclude collective campaign financing 25th Anniversary in HeroQuest Lánzanos , and we will staying close to double the previous record for fundraising in Spain and Latin America. At the time of writing we raised a 1077% of our initial target of 58,000 euros, ie 625,163 euros that put us in the European Top 10. Needless to say that without you, our patrons heroic, none of this would have been possible and so, in the name of Adolfo Alejandro, Alex, Cabell, Carlos, Cristina, Dani, Dionisio, Emilio, Igor, Elizabeth, Joseph, Juanmi Manuel, Marcos, Miguel, Victor Pablo and we can only tell you once again ... THANK YOU! YOU ARE THE BEST! Do not disappoint.
Before turning to the daily development of this update, a total anticlimax. After all we do not finish the season on Sunday at 23:59 but will give a three-day extension until Wednesday 12. The guys Lánzanos have a mountain of work ahead to finish processing all charges and is apparently easier to do before closing the campaign. We also thank them for their efforts and dedication during this month and a half have been adapted diligently to many of our needs.
And now, Miniature Orc Big Boss, one of the only monsters in the core game. A time? Monster? Only? What's that? It is clear, right? Name enemies as such, will have its own tab control monster wheels on the same line as the adventurers. It was another surprise but we were reserving the secrets we burn in the throat. Can you blame it?
We've updated the final list of components Founder edition to reflect this development affecting the Gargoyle, the Witch of the Primordial Chaos, Spectrum and Grand Chief Orc in the basic case, and the Chief Goblin, Spider Queen, Vampire and Vampira, Morcar, Zargon, the Great Serpent and the rewards She between Level 3.
Orc Big Boss is big and brutal, just the powers that are needed to become the leader of the entire clan orc lovers. Under his literally a head height below, we have 8 orcs who accompany him on his misdeeds, a pair of archers (orca advanced technology, masters of recycling), another with two-handed weapons and the remaining four with a combination of short swords, shields and whatever works for their bloody purposes.
Funny you should say that the project definitely ended and closed now it's reopened with 2 days 23+ hours on the clock.
They've had 48 days of a campaign I don't buy this can't process payments while closed business this goes to show that deadlines are a moving target for GZ and smacks of greed to me what happens when we get to Wednesday and then they decide to extend to the weekend keep it going so long as there's a few more Euro to squeeze out of it just set an end date an stick to it.
Don't make me regret backing this Gamezone less than half an hour after sort of ending.
After all we do not finish the season on Sunday at 23:59 but will give a three-day extension until Wednesday 12. The guys Lánzanos have a mountain of work ahead to finish processing all charges and is apparently easier to do before closing the campaign.
Although, why couldn't they do this before (unless it was because of the final rush to the end of the KS?)
Anyway, as long as this will still arrive near the projected shipping date I will be happy.
For those of you still on the fence, there is less than two hours remaining in the campaign.
Personally, I'm not going to back this project because it's had too many rough and false starts for me to be comfortable, and I'm not familiar with Lanzanos.
Regardless, I'm happy it's been a success and I'll check out the product when it hits retail.
++EDIT++ Bloody hell, nevermind burying the corpse when it is still warm, this one is still breathing!
If the decision to continue running for a few more days was financially motivated, then it is certainly paying dividends. Seems to be going up a thousand euros an hour, getting on for 650,000 now.
Orlanth, the original timer ran out 11pm UK time, would guess the same for Wednesday night if they have run it for 3 days exactly.
I wouldn't worry about extensions, I don't smell a rat
Lanzanos never had it so good, traffic on their website has apparently expected all previous records, or so I guess from the possibility of server overloads, this is good for them and Gamezone both.
I would not be overly surprised if GameZone is invited to continue its promotion further.
Heroquest is 60x the next most successful project. If Lanzanos take a % then Heroquest probably doubled their income for the year. Allowing for ther double helping of suck the Spanish economy is in crowdfunding isn't making it over there. I suspect the vast majority of pledges come from the UK and US.
You back each level separately so you could back the €110 level the furniture set and the tiles and count as 3 separate backers so I'd say there's a good overlap.
Update 36 indicates that backers have to complete their address and confirm their pledge on Gamezones online store you will get credit for your pledge total you can add more or opt to cancel entirely for a refund. Bit odd why bother with Lanzanos at all then? Oh right crowd funding is not a preorder
I bought an extra 'furniture pack' and the bold teenagers for 70 Euro with half an hour left on the clock.
Thank you Pacific for the heads up on the timing window, I had all day to look over what I wanted. I was tempted to be in for another 110 Euros but thought better of it for my wallets health.
As for the furniture pack. I didnt see the point in buying one for 49 Euro, especially with any monster packs etc when the entire game costs 65 and has a lot of cool stuff. But depending on the quality of the rules the 65 Euro set will be my set for the game, and the 110 Euro set will be the one scavenged for parts.
I wonder how many bought this just for the minis, I am not yet sure I did, I like games like this, love Descent, but I found the original Heroquest dumb and simplistic.
You back each level separately so you could back the €110 level the furniture set and the tiles and count as 3 separate backers so I'd say there's a good overlap.
I currently count as two backers, backing once get your name on the box, and I dont care much for that, I wonderr if three backers means triple shipping fees
Update 36 indicates that backers have to complete their address and confirm their pledge on Gamezones online store you will get credit for your pledge total you can add more or opt to cancel entirely for a refund. Bit odd why bother with Lanzanos at all then? Oh right crowd funding is not a preorder
OK maybe I am dumb but I have no idea where I am supposed to be confirming my address on Gamezones site.... Can someone help me out? Appreciated greatly, thanks!
Automatically Appended Next Post: NM I am an idiot, need to wait until monday lol. Sorry.
Pacific wrote: That is an absolutely nuts amount of miniatures and little add-ons for the 110 Euro mark. I own quite a few Gamezone miniatures and was quite worried when I read some of their sculptors had left. But, the CAD images we have seen so far have done enough to convince me they could probably up to the mark as far as dungeon-crawl games go.
And there is so much carry-over with this kind of stuff for D&D players, Warhammer or whatever.
Think I've left it long enough to wait for some party-pooper to step in with a C&D and hoping it is safe now, time to jump in with both feet!
I read that GZ's in-house sculptor left a few years ago, and they haven't released new ones until this KS. That doesn't sound all that "established" to me and it doesn't help that the original sculptor, MKUnited (sp) hired for HQ25 left because they didn't receive satisfactory answers from GZ about IP issues. As for a C&D, anytime until your copy of the game hits customs is pretty much fair game for a C&D, and we don't know where one will come from. MYTH was hit with a C&D from EA for their logo, thankfully before they entered physical production. While all the armchair naysayers were saying that Hasbro or GW would send a C&D, it turned out a little-known Moon Dog Designs were the ones who sent it. GZ still hasn't produced a written statement from Hasbro that Hasbro won't take legal action.
How many miniatures are they offering for 110 Euros? The best offers I've seen were $100 for 150 boardgame-plastic miniatures. CMON's Wrath of Kings had somewhat higher quality plastic, at $200 for 200 miniatures. As much as I pledge for bulk miniatures purchases, after Torn Armor and several failed videogame KS articles, I'm becoming ambivalent about KS that *promise* a lot of stuff. Still, I'm not going to be unhappy if I can get these mini's from GZ at a good price, with or without a HQ logo on the package.
Update #37 - basically they need a few more days to get the site ready
translated with Google
February 17, 2014 at 22:50
Upon confirmation of support ...
It is taking longer than expected to prepare our website for the confirmation process of props which I spoke last Thursday so we will have to delay its implementation more. We want to make this process easier, convenient and reliable as possible so better do the experiments before giving us the go-ahead.
In any case, still, if it takes a few days to start picking your address, check your order and enter the name that will customize the game boxes also extend the closing date as necessary. You will have plenty of time.
Hm
So Im not too sure, but Im guessing that when the official site goes live soon, we need to og on to that and then perform some kind of "my name is Alex and I pledged £xxx for the following items and the name I want on my box is Alex"
Does that seem right?
If-so, I wonder why we havent recieved any emails via lanzanos to this effect, as I only found this info out by checking the updates on a whim.
I somehow thought that my name and address details along with what I pledged my money for would be provided to gamezone by Lanzanos.
Update: Translated (pretty sure they meant NOT compromised)
Feb. 21, 2014, 9:11 pm
Attacked, not exactly She forcesOur campaign to realize this project, a project that seeks nothing more than to celebrate the 25th anniversary of HeroQuest through a true to the best traditions of the game dungeon crawlers , has been a complete and unqualified success . We are working really hard to make a product that reflects our love and respect for this legacy, but there are people who think this bothers them .
Last week we announced that this Monday would begin the process of collecting and verifying the data of our patrons in the online store Gamezone Miniatures . And then we were attacked. At first only slowed the work of the person responsible for setting the system up, but finally got the server throw us both staying heroquestclassic.com as our own shop by a strong denial of service (DDoS) .
Mail is also affected and found that not all response messages that have been sending you have reached your destination. Importantly, any confidential information of our clients have been exposed in some time, so that beyond the horror that has led to the team, the biggest loss is regrettable that all this matter is time wasted.
Unfortunately it is not the first occurrence, and during the campaign even Lánzanos was attacked at the expense of all the other projects that also agreed with us on this platform of collective financing. This is a crime , a form of harassment to which We could not stay idly by and we have been referred to the Telematics Crimes Unit of the Civil Guard.
Attacks these days seeking to impede our work and pay attention that you become as thick as possible. It seeks to create distrust and put us all nervous. In addition, time-wasting those working in the administrative part of the project, but at least thankfully, none of this affects the creative team continues to develop HeroQuest Classic, so you will soon receive a happier update this with the latest developments thereon.
On the subject of the final process through which you can confirm exactly what your contribution is directed, modify the way you please and tell us your shipping address, we have another good news. In a few days we will contact you to facilitate you a personalized account on our website to identify you as a patron. Originally thought to do otherwise but in the end it would be more cumbersome for you, which is what we try to avoid.
Thank you all for your patience! We take our work seriously and we are really striving to make everything easy and normal.
I don't know how long this info has been available, but I've only just found it and I couldn't find it posted here. They've announced the classes of all the hero models you'll get with the 2nd and 3rd pledge levels:
There has been no contact yet about picking your stuff the last update was just about the denial of service attack. The GZ store is back up and running and once they've set up what they need to they'll be in contact about what you need to do next.
EDIT: Spoke to soon all their sites are down again looks like the same issue as before.
I would like to find that person who was posting "these sculpts are going to be crap" repeatedly back in the news thread, because all of the sculptors had left Gamezone leaving them with a deranged baboon with a blunt sculpting tool wedged between its butt-cheeks as the only artist (or something), and force them to watch these CAD drawings spinning on repeat until they are forced to admit the error of their ways
Realise that CAD does not equal exact sculpt, but you must admit these and the other bits and pieces shown so far look pretty damn impressive.
Were you able to contact them and give them your address? Etc?
IIRC it was just part of the original set-up process. I've had a 'payment received' and 'congratulations' email but that's it so far (other than some survey things connected with something else on Lazaros)
Yeah I've had 2 of those please take our survey things from Lanzanos I just ignored them I usually don't fill them out anyway plus it's in Spanish so mmm ... slight problem.
Aeon, their sites have been being targeted by DDoS attacks on and off for weeks. Hopefully they'll be back up and running in the next day or so. At least I hope that's what it is.
Azazelx wrote: They certainly made some enemies with this campaign...
Like who though really, and of the kind of person who is likely to have the inclination to carry out a DDOS attack?
Teenagers with too much time on their hands, the sites will be back up in a day or two.
Honestly, my thought is some overzealous RuneQuest fans.
That's probably a fair assessment. Also, if you ever checked out the BGG threads, there were a few people who spent an inordinate amount of time "fretting" about HQ25. I would think there is a bit of overlap there.
How is the second error related to a DDOS attack? Tia for the explanation.
Because if I am a server admin and I sell shared hosting, and one customer is getting attacked and impacting the entire shared environment, I as a server hosting provider take that one website offline or take their DB offline until we can address the traffic issue and speak with the customer. It is the only way to prevent bleed over onto other customers.
Also could be they are in the middle of a move to new servers or being forced out of shared environments which often can take time re-configuring your blog software.
Basically if you can't block DDOS attacks with an IPS/IDS at the perimeter, then all you can really do is take the website down.
Azazelx wrote: They certainly made some enemies with this campaign...
Like who though really, and of the kind of person who is likely to have the inclination to carry out a DDOS attack?
Teenagers with too much time on their hands, the sites will be back up in a day or two.
Honestly, my thought is some overzealous RuneQuest fans.
That's probably a fair assessment. Also, if you ever checked out the BGG threads, there were a few people who spent an inordinate amount of time "fretting" about HQ25. I would think there is a bit of overlap there.
I am an overzealous RuneQuest fan, hence the name. Also a backer of this project.
However HeroQuest was only floated as a game idea by Chaosium, it got a few lines in the back of the RQ2 rulebook as a pending release that was all. MB games independently made a game with the same name, amnd that was allowed to stay.
Frankly I dont back the current RuneQuest franchise holders on this, the time to protect their IP was 25 years ago.
However it doesnt help that Greg Stafford has gone off the deep end long ago.
I didn't say that all RQ fans were overzealous in the DDoS way - that would be stupid. But yes, this being the internet, every game company and key individual involved in those companies has their diehard fanbois - so I imagine it's someone/people who are RQ Stafford Superfans.
Hell, Derek Smart has a little band of hardcore diehard fans and hangers-on.
Yeah, I don't know what's going on. When I login with my e-mail address, it gives me some other garbage information. Trying to change anything just resets the values.
Ah cool, after initially panicking about the wall of foreign text and thinking if I had any Spanish-speaking friends, I noticed the 'view this email in your browser'. Wonders of modern internet browsers, I was then able to translate into English.
Managed to update my contact info and password, now a little bit more excited that things are gradually moving forward!
OK I am panicking, I have not received any emails from gamezone OR lonzanos since backing this. Do I need to register an account on their webstore? I figured they would have contacted me through my lonzanos account and email by now.
The email came from Mentor entitled "registro final heroquest 25th" mine ended up in my promotions folder but it might also end up in your spam folder.
DaveC wrote: The email came from Mentor entitled "registro final heroquest 25th" mine ended up in my promotions folder but it might also end up in your spam folder.
THANK YOU!
It was in my spam folder and I never would have looked for mentor anyway.... Why on earth would you title such and email mentor is beyond me.
Chillreaper wrote: There is an English setting on the top right of the webpage - I just clicked on the third link on the email, which takes you to the registration page.
While I am now signed in with Gamezone it was a difficult procedure and I feel we can better network info here than through their website.
If the next topic on this thread is a necro, I will copy paste this post as a request to the mods to keep this thread open until at least the the end of the year, when delivery is expected.
There have been no new updates or posts on the HeroQuest classic site since March 21st.
The last update was to register your account and came form "Mentor" - I thnik this ended up in a lot of people's spam folder it might have been automatically deleted by now depending on your settings.
I got my account registered but they have yet to add the credit to them.
It's now past the point that Paypal will refund but I was willing to risk the €110 as I had it in my Paypal account at time. Not too worried (yet).
@Orlanth, there's no necro, and this thread certainly isn't in any danger of being locked... it will remain open just like all kickstarter threads do in their appropriate forums, for folks to communicate with one another during the long wait...
Best of luck on this one guys, it was a pretty significant risk but I do think they'll deliver in the end, just maybe no communicate very well during their process (as they didn't communicate well even while the campaign was running).
Hastings, if you want to return the favor we'd love to see any whiff of a rumor from you over in the news & rumors section (No pressure, just figured it couldn't hurt to ask . Love your approach to rumors)
RiTides wrote: @Orlanth, there's no necro, and this thread certainly isn't in any danger of being locked... it will remain open just like all kickstarter threads do in their appropriate forums, for folks to communicate with one another during the long wait...
Best of luck on this one guys, it was a pretty significant risk but I do think they'll deliver in the end, just maybe no communicate very well during their process (as they didn't communicate well even while the campaign was running).
Not saying there is a necro now, but Dakka is unclear on its policies on these types of threads. And I wanted to make sure that if nothing happens between now and late this year so the thread will remain open for later comments.
IIRC the only thread type that has been greenlit as never expiring/necro are works in progress, because people stop and start them.
No problem, but it applies to Kickstarter threads, too- there is never one, to my knowledge, that has been locked while it's still fulfilling. I can see how that was unclear, which is why I addressed it
Just in case anyone hadn't seen this it affects US based customers - basically Gamezone applied for a US trademark and were refused on 13th of March on 2 grounds
1. Likely confusion with an existing product (Moon Designs - HeroQuest) using the same name -
Here, the applicant is providing “Equipment sold as a unit for playing board games” and the registrant is providing “Role playing game equipment in the nature of game book manuals.” The goods of both parties are related, as both parties are providing equipment used for playing games. The goods of both parties are likely to be marketed in the same manner and travel in the same channels of trade, which may lead consumers to believe that the goods emanate from a common source.
2. Specimen Refusal - basically no game existed at the time of submission only drawings so no trademark can issue as the goods don't physically exist yet.
What does that mean? Gamezone can't use the name HeroQuest in the US as it stands and would have to rebrand there's a possibility of goods being seized on entry into the country if they keep the HeroQuest name without permission - if they ship individually to each backer not all will be caught but some might. GZ have 6 months to appeal and resubmit.
What does that mean? Gamezone can't use the name HeroQuest in the US as it stands and would have to rebrand there's a possibility of goods being seized on entry into the country if they keep the HeroQuest name without permission - if they ship individually to each backer not all will be caught but some might. GZ have 6 months to appeal and resubmit.
Heh. That's somehow rather not surprising at this stage. All rights to make and market the game, indeed...
GameZone were refused a trademark but that doesn't necessarily endorse Moon Designs claims of infringement of IP. It would have ended them had the trademark been granted.
Frankly I don't think Moon Designs will be able to order HeroQuest materials seized, they were not sold in the US, they were sold in Europe, quite legally it appears, and imported post sale. Your box of HeroQuest belong to you as soon as its allocated to you from the factory in Spain.
Thus there is hope for the point of sale to be formalised as Spain with a separate shipping arrangement.
This is possible if the item is passed to a third party shipping provider on the purchasers behalf as theri property.
So:
1. Gamezone makes a copy of HeroQuest.
2. Gamezone "ships it" to a shipping company in Spain operating on your behalf.
3. Customer from US arranges to have their personal belongings shipped from the shipping companies address to the US.
Its a loophole and wont stop customs charges but could enshrine the idea that the goods were purchased in Spain, therefore so long as they are not contraband materials it doesn't matter if the product is considered infringing in the US. The sale is legal the product is not contraband, therefore it is not seizable for any other reason beyond customs charges.
Anyway, thats how I see it. We have until December for Gamezone to find lawyers that can ascertain if the above would work in practice.
Orlanth wrote: Frankly I don't think Moon Designs will be able to order HeroQuest materials seized, they were not sold in the US, they were sold in Europe, quite legally it appears, and imported post sale. Your box of HeroQuest belong to you as soon as its allocated to you from the factory in Spain.
There is a term used for people like that, used by Al Pacino once (and fairly shockingly) while he is having a go at Kevin Spacey in the movie Glen Garry Glen Ross. In this case it is entirely appropriate, and I hope the horrible, bitter little man receives many emails to that effect.
I assume they can just come up with some temporary boxes for US customers, which are re-branded 'Quest for Heroes' etc.? Sure it would be straightforward to find an un-used variance of the words.
Pacific wrote: There is a term used for people like that, used by Al Pacino once (and fairly shockingly) while he is having a go at Kevin Spacey in the movie Glen Garry Glen Ross. In this case it is entirely appropriate, and I hope the horrible, bitter little man receives many emails to that effect.
I assume they can just come up with some temporary boxes for US customers, which are re-branded 'Quest for Heroes' etc.? Sure it would be straightforward to find an un-used variance of the words.
Or just slap a sticker over Quest with labor or some such relevant word.
Frankly, reading that thread makes me wonder why the same people invest the amount of time and energy making the same arguments over and over. It's like that thread needs an editor.
My prediction, either the game will be called simply HQ25 on all printed material or else shipments overseas will come from the individual with the most common Spanish name at GZ, rather than the corporate entity. Regardless, I really can't see US customs giving a flying feth about individual shipments from overseas for a bunch of cardboard and plastic. I could see it being different if a container was being shipped over though.
Exactly what I was thinking. US Customs just scans cap for bombs or drugs mostly. They aren't going to open every package just in case its a "kids" board game. Especially for something so small scale as this. That thread was full of guys who were full of themselves.
Pacific wrote: Actually, reading that thread on Boardgamegeek has made my hopes for the arrival of this game nosedive.. :(
Moon Design morons cannot stop us getting our copies in the UK though. Its an EU sale, free borders and all that. AFAIK I bought my copy 'in Spain' because I paid in Euros.
I can see how this will effect long term viability of the project but you should get your stuff as a backer.
Pacific wrote: Actually, reading that thread on Boardgamegeek has made my hopes for the arrival of this game nosedive.. :(
Moon Design morons cannot stop us getting our copies in the UK though. Its an EU sale, free borders and all that. AFAIK I bought my copy 'in Spain' because I paid in Euros.
I can see how this will effect long term viability of the project but you should get your stuff as a backer.
Thanks for that post, very reassuring!
As a reminder, what was the initial ETA for the game? Was it around Xmas this year?
The whole point of 'we will inform customs, your goods will be seized and destroyed and you may face fines', can all be translated into 'we want to scare off US customers of Gamezone'.
There may well be a legal threat, but this is bluster and scaremongering and has done little to credit Moon Design.
If Moon Design want to take action they should not target customers, or treat them like criminals, (buying from Gamezone of itself is legal) but hire lawyers and sue Gamezone.
It costs them less though to try and scare gamers.
7 weeks and no word there's bad communication and then there's no communication. I'm already considering this one to be a write off (saves disappointment later and it will be very difficult to get money back from Paypal now).
DaveC wrote: 7 weeks and no word there's bad communication and then there's no communication. I'm already considering this one to be a write off (saves disappointment later and it will be very difficult to get money back from Paypal now).
Some actual news apparently there's an update coming soon (Google Translated)
LATEST ON HEROQUEST 25TH ANNIVERSARY
Pending an official update from the team of GameZone Miniatures on your project HeroQuest 25th Anniversary , we bring you a collection of news that are circulating the net.
They are currently developing the scenery of the game, which seems to be a slower process making miniatures. The stands of these miniatures are also being made right now.
As the rules and enjoy scenarios in HeroQuest 25th Anniversary , the response of Dionisio Rubio was that: "there is still heavy, but you have already defined groups. The game will complete edition in Spanish, English, German, Italian, French and Portuguese. "
Regarding the initial problems they had with the platform Kickstarter , Dionisio says: "We had a problem in patent law between Spain and the U.S., as we saw that we do not move, we cut. We decided to leave. The project was clogged and we saw that we do not reach out for the 25th Anniversary. "
For June a physical presentation of the game is expected to respond to that: "Whatever is in the prototype will be presented." "We've quadrupled the template to produce only give the game time. We answer emails from our patrons. "
One of the few people who asked Dionisio Rubio via Twitter the day of the event, suggested that many fans would be willing to make a free work of more direct communication, emphasizing that have much to gain and nothing to lose, so Dionisio replied: "We appreciate, but do not see it suited for this kind of work. But thanks. "
Continuing with the theme of communication to the backers , was asked why not create a channel for more fluid communication with patrons, to which they replied: "We recognize that we have failed in communication, we are a company formed by creative ".
One of the last questions was: And after that what? and the answer was: "When you finish delivering all the games, take them out to the general public." Also worth noting the response to the possible appearance of the thumbnail The Tabernera, what self Dionisio Rubio said: "It could be, if we have enough time we would love to."
So in a nutshell they are very (too) busy designing the game, don't really have the time to communicate.
But, you have to ask - how difficult would it be just make an FB page or newsletter showing pictures of the miniatures as they happen, news about the rules etc? I don't think anyone is expecting constant reddit interviews and forum threads where they are having to answer "YOU STOLE IP" questions.
Fractured Dimensions (another KS that finished last year) are a pretty small company - think just a couple of guys doing the sculpting, yet they still manage to post updates every 1-2 weeks. Even if it's delayed way beyond what you are expecting, people have put hundreds of pounds onto this and I don't think it's unreasonable that they have some communication.
I won't translate it but some other bits from it (in my own words)
It's already running late and most likely won't make the christmas release target but apparently they think that's OK because it's normal in 90% of crowdfunding projects.
Retail release is very unlikely for the US market and UK might be an issue.
The resin they are using does suffer from time to time from air bubbles :O
they claim they turned down the chance the work with Mantic Games
The game will include a version of the old rules and dice but the new rules are totally different and use cylindrical Hexagonal dice.
It looks like they are planning to do Space Crusade as well (they've already got the trademark) however IP is much more of an issue
Well late already! the new rules I don't really care to much about I have the original intact and really just want updated minis and furniture and that. Slightly worried about the airbubbles issue though.
Well so much for getting it out in 2014 being the main reason they had to rush ahead with it not that it being late should really surprise anyone at this point, with the communication shown thus far. The idea that it's OK to be late because other campaigns are too is something I'm hoping will stop being accepted (at least as much) soon, though... I know I'm backing more projects that are reasonable in scope or have already shown they can deliver on-time if they are ambitious.
They've started sending out the following email to backers (I haven't got it yet saw this on facebook) looks like the Pm is on the way
GameZone está enviando este mensaje a los correos delos mecenas:
Hola.
Estoy enviando un mensaje rutinario de control, para verificar que todo está bien con vuestra cuenta de fundador, antes de pasar a la siguiente y última fase.
Si todo es correcto con vuestra cuenta no respandais a este email, en caso de que aún haya alguna incidencia responded a este email describiéndomela (info@gamezoneminiatures.com).
Gracias por vuestro apoyo y paciencia.Ya queda poco.
Isabel
Gamezone
Translated:
GameZone is sending this message to the emails of patron:
Hello.
I am sending a routine control message, to verify that all is well with your founder account, before moving on to the next and final phase.
If everything is correct with no respandais yourselves to this email, in case you still have any bearing Respond to this email describiéndomela (info@gamezoneminiatures.com).
Thanks for your support and paciencia.Ya is short.
Yeah I assume if you've set up your account and there's no issues you don't respond the next phase will be them adding the credit to the account and allowing you to spend it on the HQ products.
So apparently this upcoming update is now scheduled for June some time - so much for acknowleding their poor communication what do they do to resolve it - make people wait another 2 to 6 weeks.
Chillreaper wrote: If Mantic get DKH organised, I think that I'll throw some money their way, too.
It should do the job of a nice dungeon crawler in place of this, and I do like Mantic!
Well, except Mantic can't release a final product which is anywhere close to concept art, and when they do show us the sculpts, the casts of those sculpts and the material make the model unacceptably poor.
They haven't released a product of quality in sculpt or cast in almost 3 years of releases and are not getting 'better'. All of their stuff that looks 'nice' will end up being shallow-detailed, mold-lined, sprue-damaged restic unfit for gaming.
Glad I skipped this one. Though it's a real shame how badly every part of the campaign has turned out.
We'll see how the upcoming Mantic stuff looks. The sculpts are certainly a major step up from the past, and we'll see soon enough what their new plastics are like (preliminary reports are good, but we'll see...)
Haha yes right.. I don't mind if someone makes a comment about Descent once a week or so, just to keep the thread somewhere near the top page to remind us of this game!
I think that I've sort of written this off mentally and emotionally (and financially!) which is a bit of a shame. The concept renders looked great, but everything seems a bit too quiet on the western front.
an official update!!!! - which tells us absolutely nothing basically more done but no pictures to back that up and they won't be showing the game off, other than a video, at the event they are attending next week but still on schedule for December (really?), so yeah as you where then.
will have to make do with google translate for now
Three months entered radio silence mode rather abruptly and unexpectedly ago. The commissioning manager rewards in our online store for patrons Lázanos campaign has been (and still is) a real torture and the stakes against heroquestclassic.com server eventually fill our patience.
The team responsible for the development of the 25th anniversary edition of HeroQuest, the game, their illustrations and miniatures, has remained completely isolated from these problems for the sake of your sanity (we're all wringing our points of mind as possible), and in this time we have made great progress in the production of the game. We have dozens of new illustrations, we completed a number of miniatures and are in the middle of the process of refining their models while learning through trial and error, but rapidly, how to squeeze the most of the 3D printing technology we are using for the molds.
Everything is booming, but there's an event, a disturbance in the force, which has forced us out of this creative confinement. As many of you know, next week will take place in the Challenge Wargames Zaragoza (from 28 to 29 June), an event that will attend to show a preview of how things days, but in which, despite what ye may have heard, not make any physical presentation of the game or its components.
We would like to have everything produced and take the rest of the free to enjoy a dream vacation summer, but it will not be able to. We still have work to do and just did not seem appropriate to teach only a portion of the total. What we show in Zaragoza event will be a new video, a mega-update where you can see how it goes.
But back up a bit to explain everything. Months ago, our distributor for Spain, E-minis, communicated to the organizers of Challenge Wargames that take place in a talk that would teach how the HQ25 project. From "briefing" was passed somehow "official presentation" assume, led by enthusiasm. When we found out it was already everywhere on the net so we assume that there was no turning back.
Just clear, once the financing stage production phase began, which is huge. This phase will end in a few months and we are working to make it within the time limit set as goal: to deliver the game to the founding in December. Everything is organized for that time, and although it is true that there are prototypes of virtually all elements of the game, we're still pretty reserved when it comes to teaching things we know for sure will change. We prefer to keep the surprise until the end.
In any case, I invite everyone to go near Zaragoza to meet you personally. They'll be a must-have for lovers of all kinds of wargames with demonstrations, competitions, workshops and conference tournaments, and of course, will also be the first place where you will see the video update on HeroQuest 25th anniversary. I hope!
Did worry this was just going to be a post saying 'the barbarian looks cool' or similar, and then a lot of teeth-gnashing as a result, but when I saw your name there DaveC knew it would be a proper update
Good to hear that things are still in progress anyway, will be worth keeping an eye on that webpage next weekend!
So far, seems like the dice have been rolled a few times, but we are still lucky and keep getting our armour save
Three months ago we went into radio silence in quite a sudden and unexpected way. The process of putting to work the reward manager for the Lánzanos campaign at our online store has been (and still is) a real torture and the attacks against the heroquestclassic.com server succeeded in ending our patience.
The team in charge of developing the HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition, the game, the drawings and the miniatures, has been kept completely apart from all these problems for their own sanity (we all are draining our mind points to the max), and during this period of time we have made great progress in the game production. We have dozens of new illustrations, we have finished quite a bunch of miniatures and we are about half the way of the trial-and-error process of refining their models, although we are taking giant leaps in some areas such as getting maximum value from the 3D printing technology we are using to get the final moulds.
Everything goes just fine, but there is an event, a disturbance in the Force, that has forced us to leave this creative confinement. As many of you already know, next week will take place at Zaragoza the Desafío Wargames weekend (on June 28th and 29th), an event we will be attending to show you a preview of the current state of things, but, contrary to what you might have heard here and there, we won’t make any physical display of the game or its components.
We would really love to have everything done by then and take the rest of the summer as well-deserved vacations, but that is just not possible. We still have plenty of work ahead of us and we feel it is not appropriate to show you just a small portion of it. What we will show you at Zaragoza is a new video, a huge update of the current work in which you will be able to see the current state of things.
But let’s step back a little to better explain everything. Months ago our Spanish distributor, E-minis, told the Desafío Wargames organisation staff that they were going to give a talk at Zaragoza about the ongoing HQ25 project. From an “informative talk” the thing escalated somehow to an “official presentation”, we assume, led by pure enthusiasm. When word reached us the news was already spread all over the web, so we had to cope with the fact that there was no turning back.
But once the funding process was over we went right into the production process, which is huge. This phase will take several months and we are working hard to meet the fixed deadline: deliver the game to the backers by December. Everything is set for that timetable and, although it is true that there are some prototypes of almost every component of the game, we are still quite shy when it comes to show things we know for sure that are going to change. We prefer to maintain the surprise to the very end.
Anyway, we heartily invite you to drop by Zaragoza to meet you in person. This is going to be an essential meeting for wargame lovers, with all kinds of demos, contests, workshops, tournaments and, of course, the first place where you will be able to see the new update video about the HeroQuest 25th Anniversary edition. We will be waiting for you!
It will certainly be interesting to see what this weekend brings. I'll probably end up hedging my bets and getting the Mantic one as well, with hopefully a bit of AvP to keep me ticking over in the meantime.
cincydooley wrote: Anyone wanna place odds on whether the new Mantic Dwarf Kings Hold will be launched, fund, and be delivered before this one is?
I've been following various Hasbro IP lawsuits, and the Spanish site Cultural Association is worth reading. Falomir has "tributed" several Hasbro games resulting in a 2008 lawsuit. (HeroCults was not named.) As a result, these Falomir games were recalled and destroyed -- in other words, the games were available on the market. "The judgment could be read against Falomir that should "cease acts of imitation games" and "condemning the recall and destruction of the games (...) "or later ( Supreme Court ) to " recall those games where infringements have materialized, also coming to its imnediata destruction with their boxes, packaging, catalogs and advertising in which such is contained . "
Since HQ25 backers will be shipped the game directly (and I doubt they'd obey a court order to have their copies recalled), backers could receive their games before Hasbro litigation goes into effect, anything from a C&D, or settlement or an actual lawsuit, which would take years. By not revealing updates to backers, GZ minimizes its chance of Hasbro litigation before backers receive their copies. Assuming damages don't bankrupt the company and the molds et al. are not destroyed, GZ will still have had backers paid for molds and other costs GZ could not have paid for themselves.
Wow, I am so happy to finally see some word on here, I find myself only remembering this project when I happen to scroll past it in my bookmarks. Still remaining optimistic.
Thanks for the updates DaveC
Was there any other diligence required from backers since registering on their site?
Was there any other diligence required from backers since registering on their site?
Nothing else yet other then setting up your account.
Hopefully there will be more details after Sundays show, I doubt they will officially release the video presentation so we'll probably have to wait for reports back from someone who was there. This has very much been filed in the forget for now and hope it pays off later category.
Any news is good news I guess. I can't understand why they're still messing around with their site if it's getting attacked. Just bite the bullet and post paper forms to people with a pre-paid envelope inside. I'm sure it will get back to Spain before December :p
Production video - random people doing random casting/production work absolutely none of which confirms it's even HQ
and what we really want to see - the miniatures (well 3D renders anyway). I must admit these do look good and all unique sculpts as promised. I hope they can keep all the detail intact in the final minis. They added a bit of comedy to the goblins.
New dice image - still a D6 at the end of the day kind of reinventing the wheel here
The level of detail in the renders looks good. Very good, in fact. I'm just a little worried that they're being too ambitious with them. Having said that, I'll be very happy if they get anywhere close to them.
The barrel D6s really confuse me though; it does seem like a bit of a waste of effort, even if they look novel. Unless they're weighted in such a way to occasionally land on an end and this means something in-game.
Someones report from the presentation (again translated from Spanish using google)
Spoiler:
Video presentation
Dioni us to put a video where you could see his workshop, people currando, large tupperware made miniatures, figurines mountains, and some production process. 3D videos and images Orcs and goblins He presents all orcs and goblins, I've loved, actually a goblin carrying a shield a paella pan, enough said ... jajja, Foul embrutecerlos yet, but looking very good. Confirming two goblins go with bows and 2 orcs with crossbows Spider Queen-Va in the line of spiders that have taught, but much larger. In fact leave enough of the box, will have more height than the barbaric and not take stand. Murderer-go with shackles and carrying a knife, so you can be a character that I think he may attack Prisoner-I said, can be separated from the stand that attaches to the wall and you can lower the arms Vampira is inactivated in her bed peacefully sleeping covering it with a sheet. When and seen me come out a wow .... Awesome Armero-Very handsome too, supported a lot of weapons and realistic door-will take a small column on each side is suppose to hold up well. Illustrations Drakks-By finally known to be. According dioni semi dragons are going to the beach as the thousand turtles laying eggs, lol. It is something like a dragon with a kind of rhino horn to Tyrannosaurus rex and cola. Are first illustrations and although much can we know how they will not think anything finalized Heroes basically Confirms box have become retouched, the barbarian would have lowered the size of the sword that felt very manga, and seek the reality, Dwarf cast have stronger and more elegant elf. Heroes High above side-draw several illustrations / sketches, little definable and very quickly, so I had time to not stay with those who can be. Morcar and Zargon - sketches both appear. 's also more color illustrations Vampire, spectrum, etc ... Rules, and several questions / answers Pos if Dice-movement, the great mystery revealed. They will be 8 faces, 6 equal numbered 1 to 6 and 2 hexagonal punched square bases, one with the logo of hq and one with a question mark. as a general rule will always 1 to 6, but falls out a possibility? that will blunder or hq will be maximum movement. He will throw two dice and chances are they go two blunders are contemplated. Will a copper color with incustraciones in light blue (as oxide). Screen mentor-will behind everything necessary to facilitate the game, as will the hole created below and incorporate a system to roll the dice. costs Book-It is considering the possibility of offering the opportunity to have it send to the stores of our saving us cities the cost of fresh Store Monday on-line-will be launched, everyone who participated will be given a voucher the money you have made and a purchase on-line regular be held. Contributed money than you want to buy or able to pay more to get more stuff for a while (not that term) is then deducted. There will be all pieces individually for sale (from one table leg, to full thumbnail) Rules-Avanza will be very simple, which will be based 90% on the classic hq, who will use the points of mind, the magician will be a character worth taking into account. There will be no increase in levels but if defects and improvements from the experiences gained in each adventure (think that a warrior gets stronger from one day to another, but if you learn new things or have accidents) Traps-You are looking for how to create effect deep in the trenches without increasing the height of the piece and others. doors-Maintain a guide and allow shifting them to open them. Others-Dionysius says he is not concerned at all the issue of rights, therefore I think Amarrao okay. Also says he does not like to teach things that you want / works to open the box when we see one surprise after another and it will not give many details to avoid removing the surprise (eg, the thing to kick the system dice). He says that during the CF taught and updated much but that part is over and now it's make and manufacture. It has 3 and 2 sculptors illustrators working nonstop to HQ. It also says that the HQ will box measures 2 boxes of Warhammer together but fatter and it will be close collaboration with shops. It also has groups testing waiting to start testing, including English speakers, and is refining the rules to begin with alpha and give the beta open after the summer, which will be used to test the game and this is what I remember memory: In conclusion I think I proved that is working nonstop, following polishing day to day things. Do not think there's any updates or run out teaching many more. I think with this we have until the Beta rules, that maybe teach something out, and then to delivery.
It looks like backers will get their store credit and choose their rewards from Monday
The credit has now been added to backers accounts and the Heroquest store is live however you must be logged in to see it it's not publicly available. You get a voucher code corresponding to your total pledge amount to use at the checkout.
I had a look around it's all there but the prices are all listed exVAT and the cart doesn't add it so the €110 level is priced at €90.91 for example not sure if that's meant to be like that or if they will fix it. No update has gone out yet and I'm going to hold off finalising the cart until it does just in case.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Update 42
This weekend we've had a great time during the Challenge of Zaragoza Wargames days. We loved to meet in person with many of you and see your reactions to live the last thumbnail and illustrations that we have been working. It's been great, but we could not go back to the dungeon without sharing with all videos with unpublished material prepared for the occasion ...
Has anyone else got the correct HEROQUEST 25th link with the correct €110 price? I still have the HEROQUEST link with the €90.91 exVAT price. Hey I'll pay €20 less but I'd like to sort it without having to contact GZ which could take a while :(
Google Translate version - probably need to wait or the proper English Translation there's instructions in Spanish in the video and I can't follow what they are doing.
YOU CAN NOW CHECKOUT
Mentor Lánzanos, Store Heroquest,
In late March we sent an email to all patrons to begin the transition from platform Lázanos our own online store, the place through which will manage all shipments. Well, if at that time I asked for that data revisaseis your account gamezoneminiatures.com , when completing the process has come confirming the level of support of Heroquest 25th Anniversary ye will and optional additives that will accompany the huge package that you will receive at home.
You just have to go into the store with your founder account , go to the section Heroquest column on the left and add whatever you want. We have generated a coupon custom off with the exact amount paid each patron through Lánzanos and if you do not change or add anything, all you have to pay to complete will the shipping calculated according to the way shipping you choose and volume of a particular order.
Take a look at the tutorial video that we have prepared to help in the process and do not hesitate to contact us to resolve any problem.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Am I in time to change my level of support as a patron?
course! Here is a comparison with the detailed content of each of the three levels of support Heroquest Boss Edition 25th Anniversary. You can go from level 1 to 3, from 3 to 2 or whatever you want.
Can I add more copies of the game?
Without any problem. Just remember the name, nickname or autograph that you want to appear in each box.
Do I have to add to the intrepid young if I'm qualified to get them free?
There, patrons that you were regaled with young intrepid not have to add them through the store, as they are included with the game. The only reason to select them is that you should once no time for promotion or want more than one copy to play in large families.
When is the deadline to complete my order?
have not set a date yet closed, but ideally you to try to complete along this July to take for this phase closed in August and can concentrate on other aspects production and logistics of this project.
But I am not sure how this "special coupon" thing works
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually, it's quite simple - when you go to the cart, there's a list of coupons - I had one for 110 EUR with a special code, adding it took the total to 0.
However I'd forgotten that postage was extra, so I have to pay 31 EUR for that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It's all gone through successfully.
Back to waiting with fingers crossed, albeit with a bit more cash invested now...
No email issued yet about it, I've only noticed the updates by periodically checking Lanzanos - I'd say alot of people will be in the dark if they don't check back.. I'm going to wait for the English version of the update there's a few bits in the video I'd like to see explained in English.
I still can't get the price to show at €110 I think if it's not resolved I'll just put it through anyway with a note in the relevant box really don't wnat to have to contact them and wiat for them to get back to me - they have my money so they can sort it at their end.
I joined to post this. I backed this project on Lanzanos, but never received the so-called "Mentor" email. Checked my spam folder and everything I can think of. I've sent a couple of emails to the support@heroquestclassic.com address with no actual reply (only automated messages).
Is anyone else having this problem? Is there any way I can manually register on the site without the Mentor email?
I still have some faith that the project will be completed, but I'm not overly optimistic with the lack of communication regarding my pledge's very existence. I'm hoping it's not too late for me to dispute the charges with my CC company and Lanzanos.
I joined to post this. I backed this project on Lanzanos, but never received the so-called "Mentor" email. Checked my spam folder and everything I can think of. I've sent a couple of emails to the support@heroquestclassic.com address with no actual reply (only automated messages).
Is anyone else having this problem? Is there any way I can manually register on the site without the Mentor email?
I still have some faith that the project will be completed, but I'm not overly optimistic with the lack of communication regarding my pledge's very existence. I'm hoping it's not too late for me to dispute the charges with my CC company and Lanzanos.
Would appreciate any advice/ideas.
I've just sent you a PM with details of what the Mentor email said. You should hopefully find that you have an account set up on there with a default password, which is in the PM I sent.
We don't want to put more gasoline in the fire, that's not our goal, as I said) And so, we retired from the project.
... We have A LOT of work to do, and our time is gold.
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