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Post by: Lenwean
UPDATE!
Last Saga kickstarter is live!
Campaign link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga
STARTER PACKS
The council
Uruhvel:
I'm here to present a brand new game: Last Saga. This new project from Rocket Games hopes to have a niche for those players hungering for tactical action in a sci-fi environment, and also providing high quality miniatures for collectors and painters.
Please leave any questions you may have!
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Very nice, also very very tiny...
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Post by: Sikil
Realy looking forward to see the rest of the concepts come to life! Especially the Manticore troopers!
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Post by: agnosto
Very very nice and I absolutely love how you presented your work, from artwork to 3d print.
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Post by: Lenwean
Hello and thanks for the good comments! About the size, females are 32mm from the feet to the top of the head, while males are 35mm.
Here you have a comparative photo of the model with models from other companies.
We are working hard for this project to come true, and we appreciate every hint you can give us for this to work. Don't hesitate to do so, via this post, facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rocketgames/463135873795780 ) or mail ( info@rockegames.co.uk )
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Post by: Lenwean
Hello everyone! With intention of taking news to the same level on every site, I want to share all the work we have done so far.
Besides the paramedic girl (which is in casting process right now and first copies should be available soon), the state of development of the other miniatures are:
Fusilier: Is in process of 3D printing, here I share the concept art and the render. When the model arrives, you will see a complete photoshoot.
Phantom: In process of 3D modeling, here are the concept art and a very early stage of the render. This weekend we should have an almost finished render.
Manticore: Concept art finished, should be the next going to the rendering workshop!
Unknown!: First of the alien races, we will share the concept art as soon as we have it!
Also, we are working on a preview of the game system. I will include a few examples explaining how game works shortly.
Hope you like it!
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
The quality of the sculpting is great but the concept for the medic is painfully stupid.
Exposed midriff? Arms? Lower legs? Yeah, because people who routinely work with bodily fluids LOVE to get that gak on them. Blood borne pathogens are sexy, yes? 
I know realism goes out the window with most miniatures and game settings, but come on.
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
 DarkTraveler777 wrote:The quality of the sculpting is great but the concept for the medic is painfully stupid.
Exposed midriff? Arms? Lower legs? Yeah, because people who routinely work with bodily fluids LOVE to get that gak on them. Blood borne pathogens are sexy, yes?
I know realism goes out the window with most miniatures and game settings, but come on.
I like the Lara medic, you could always take the phantom and paint a red cross on it.
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
Some nice work there, I like the not-ME3-Phantom
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I like the phantom although I'd be slightly concerned with the thickness of the legs around the knee ending up being a snapping point on the figure
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all! We have been working hard the past two weeks, so our apologies for the silence.
After some problems in the 3D modeling process with the phantom (some scorched hardware) we have a WIP preview that we can show.
Consider that still is a work in progress, so proportions adjustment are not finished. We are considering everyone's thoughts, like the thickness around the knees (thanks Orlando), and some other problems that occur when translating a concept art into a 3D model. With the correct corporal posture, equipment details and with a deadly sniper rifle, we know it will be awesome!
Tomorrow I will share a preview of the very first of the alien races! Is an amazing concept art, but while subject to changes, we want you to see it.
Please share your opinions, they are very important to us and help our development process.
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Post by: Barzam
I like the designs. They look like they'll match up well with other ranges like Infinity or Mercs. The Manticore and the Fusilier I especially like.
My one concern though, and maybe this is just me, but it seems like either the legs on some of the designs are too long. In the Phantom's case, it looks like the arms are too short.
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Post by: JoeRugby
DarkTraveler777 wrote:The quality of the sculpting is great but the concept for the medic is painfully stupid.
Exposed midriff? Arms? Lower legs? Yeah, because people who routinely work with bodily fluids LOVE to get that gak on them. Blood borne pathogens are sexy, yes?
I know realism goes out the window with most miniatures and game settings, but come on.
She obviously has an anti gak energy shield 
Liking what I'm seeing so far, though if the male models are noticeably larger than the rest of my collection that will stop me picking them up. Why did you decide on 35mm for the range? (the height you mentioned for male figs)
Also I might have missed it(sorry if I have) but what are you going to cast them in? and what price point are you looking at?
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Post by: Pacific
Looks very nice!
Almost Infinity-esque proportions, if some of the style is the same they could also be a good proxy for that game.
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Post by: Lenwean
Thanks for your comments!
Joe, about the size of the miniatures, don´t worry, they fit perfectly with other works you usually find in the market. While our intention is to provide a fully playable game, we know some people will want our models for other purposes. So we design them seeking a size that is usually used in the market. With this in mind, we measure our models from the top of the head to the plant of the feet. This is typically 32mm for females and 35mm for male models.
On the material question, we plan to cast initially with resin, but we are seriously considering to cast in metal, more about this in near future.
And finally, I can assure you that the final price will be very competitive comparing the standard price you find today in the market.
Hope this helps! Please leave any other questions you may have.
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Post by: rpgplayer88
Ooooh nice! I never owned any sci-fi minis but if other works are done similar to the style of current ones, I'll definitely look into it. Love how it mixed a bit of cyberpunk-ish feel and not over-the-top tech looks.
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Post by: WarMage
Looks very promising.
The first picture reminds me of the TGG Heroines, that might work well together.
Looking forward to more info on this.
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all!
There is a first look of the first of the alien races. It is also a WIP, but tests like this are needed to find what we think will suit the game better.
Also, in a few weeks we should have a solid base for the Kickstarter project we want to launch, so we will give more details in near future about the concept arts, the game system and much more!
Remember you can view a complete look of the work until today in our facebook page!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rocketgames/463135873795780
Thanks!
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all!
Have been a few days of hard work, but finally we have the beta version of the manual, to receive opinions and critics that give us valuable information to improve the game. The Spanish version is available for download in the next link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzflyamnzndaypr/LastSaga_ES_beta_v0.1.pdf
The English version is being corrected and will be available as soon as possible.
You can leave your thoughts in our dedicated email: rules_ls@rocketgames.co.uk
Also we want to share the first concept from the Uruhvel faction. This is an Advanced Unit, and will be equipped with some sort of organic weapon.
Finally, the Phantom is almost done, here you have the 3d render. Only a few details more and will be finished!
Remember to visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/RocketGames.ltd for more updates! Greetings!
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
Nice designs , although the aliens face looks too human IMHO
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Post by: Piston Honda
I'm digging it. I really like the Uruhvel faction, it's seems a lot more thought put into than most alien races, be it games or movies. Most alien races seem to have the goal of being bizarre and exotic as possible. Long necks, big monochrome eyes, huge upper body with tiny dwarf legs, bald heads with metal rods implanted into their head.
One of the props I have to give the guys at Corvus Beli is both the elegance of their alien races and taking some common features used for Sci fi aliens but making them blend so well with the overall theme and shape of the race. Instead of a huge head on a twig sized body.
By the way, how does one pronounce Uruhvel
I'm thinking it is Err-uh-vel but can see another way you may pronounce it.
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Post by: Gallahad
Great concepts, solid looking print. I really, really like the Manticore concept.
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Post by: Barzam
I was wondering what happened to this one. Is that organic armor on the Uruhvel? If so, you've got my attention. Though, he needs a mask of some sort.
Was this going to be a Kickstarter? When were you guys thinking of launching? I'd like to have funds in reserve for it.
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Post by: Piston Honda
 Barzam wrote:I was wondering what happened to this one. Is that organic armor on the Uruhvel? If so, you've got my attention. Though, he needs a mask of some sort.
Was this going to be a Kickstarter? When were you guys thinking of launching? I'd like to have funds in reserve for it.
I like it without a face mask, reminds me something more of a space opera style helmet appose to a more hard sci fi. Then again, Him/her/it having a organic weapon, perhaps the armor is organic that allows the suit to form a mask when needed, combat, biological warfare or planet that does not have appropriate atmosphere to breathe.
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Post by: Lenwean
Thanks you for your comments!
Uruhvel race uses biotechnology, so armor, weapons and equipment will have a very organic look. This will be the trademark of the faction. We didn't choose a hard scifi, because we think that having a little more room for design gives us the chance of making more cool concepts.
About the Kickstarter proyect:
This is the expected release period, more details soon!
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Post by: Sikil
My wallet cries (in vain)...
I'll pledge!
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi @ll!
There is our latest concept art: the Dragon! Top unit in The Council forces, this android brings havoc in enemy lines.
Also, our Kickstarter project is near, we keep pushing hard!
More details as usual in our FB page: https://www.facebook.com/RocketGames.ltd
Thank you very much!
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Post by: Gallahad
I love the dragon! Fantastic concepts.
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Post by: DaKrumpa
 Lenwean wrote:Thanks you for your comments!
Uruhvel race uses biotechnology, so armor, weapons and equipment will have a very organic look. This will be the trademark of the faction. We didn't choose a hard scifi, because we think that having a little more room for design gives us the chance of making more cool concepts.
About the Kickstarter proyect:
This is the expected release period, more details soon!
I demand kickstarter now! Take my monies!
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Post by: Piston Honda
I'm interested, not sure about the rules but more high quality scifi miniatures that are not ham fisted or to lack an creative thought is welcome in my books.
Hopefully it will start and finish before zombicide season 3. But after I recoup my money from my new Mortise and Tenon Joiner.
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Post by: Lenwean
Thanks for your support! English rulebook should be ready shortly for sharing.
We are now on Twitter, hope it helps us to keep you informed!
Best regards!
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Post by: RiTides
The art looks good, but I'd like to see some more 3D models and preferably at least a few casts.
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Post by: Lenwean
 RiTides wrote:The art looks good, but I'd like to see some more 3D models and preferably at least a few casts.
We've just received a new render that is ready to send to print. We hope to have it ready before the start of the KS campaign.
Now we have a launch date !!
Friday May 16th, the 30-Days campaign will begin where, with your support, we hope to make “Last Saga” a reality.
Our target is to successfully get funding to complete the 3D models for the starter packs for the factions: The Council and Uruhvel; their consequent 3D prints, and the necessary copies to provide our backers with the miniatures composing our game.
We wish that our proposal is of your pleasure, thank you very much for your support and interest!
You can follow us in:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RocketGames.ltd
Twitter: @RocketGamesLtd
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Post by: DaKrumpa
I am really looking forward to this but I need to see some English rule set.
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Post by: Barzam
I've been looking forward to this since you showed off those Fusiliers. I'm just not sure I'm going to have the money to go all in on this one. Can you tell us what currency you'll be using on it?
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Post by: Theophony
I'm getting so tired of kickstarters with pretty drawings and no casts to show for it. Will there be casts of these BEFORE the KS goes live, or will this be another kickstarter that has pretty concepts but will miss the shipping dates because the timeline is soft. Sorry if its come across rude, but there's a lot of delayed ship KS right now and I've never seen your company/game info anywhere, so I'm hesitant to back anything without some track record.
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Post by: kranki
@Theophoney - Your comment doesn't come across as rude just ignorant. The process of taking concept art from sketch to cast is expensive, and since kick starter funding is not a 100% guaranteed some people would say an unnecessary cost compared to hiring a graphic designer, organising shipping and other far more useful marketing tools.
PS - If delays and uncertainties are your biggest gripe I suggest maybe kick starter backing is not really for you....
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Post by: RiTides
"Unecessary" is not the word I would use for showing at least a test cast before / during a campaign. Wargaming blogs and forums then do your marketing for you by sharing the image everywhere.
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Post by: kranki
Which is fine for companies like mercs and soda pop but if you don't have the spare 6 grand to produce a cast and that's if you find a manufacturer willing to do just one cast.
Anyway don't let me derail the topic, I love what I see gonna be a popular kickstarter .
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Post by: Cyporiean
kranki wrote:Which is fine for companies like mercs and soda pop but if you don't have the spare 6 grand to produce a cast and that's if you find a manufacturer willing to do just one cast.
$6 Grand? to cast it in what?
Metal casting = Around $300
Resin Casting = Around $40
Plastic Casting = Around $20k
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi, thanks for your comments and thoughts!
DaKrumpa wrote:I am really looking forward to this but I need to see some English rule set.
The rulebook is almost finished, today we had a reunion with our translator, and now only the layout remains. Because of that, it is sure that will be available before the launch next Friday. Thank you very much for your patience.
Barzam wrote:I've been looking forward to this since you showed off those Fusiliers. I'm just not sure I'm going to have the money to go all in on this one. Can you tell us what currency you'll be using on it?
About the currency used, as the project is UK based, it will be pounds. Our prices will be adjusted properly and with nice discounts in the Kickstarter project, having our products a competitive price.
Theophony wrote:I'm getting so tired of kickstarters with pretty drawings and no casts to show for it. Will there be casts of these BEFORE the KS goes live, or will this be another kickstarter that has pretty concepts but will miss the shipping dates because the timeline is soft. Sorry if its come across rude, but there's a lot of delayed ship KS right now and I've never seen your company/game info anywhere, so I'm hesitant to back anything without some track record.
We understand your points and we are aware of the problems this type of campaign has. With this in mind, we have planned accordingly: all our manufacture steps are Europe based, companies well known and with proved reputation. For examples, Griffin Moulds will be the one responsible for the casts.
For further information, stay tuned and do not hesitate in asking!
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Post by: Theophony
@kranki, its the cost of starting your own business. $6k is not that much to start a business, and most casts from 3d I have a hard time believing that's the cost to have one done. (See cyporiean's post above, kind of knowledgeable in that area  ). While I've only backed 2ks, I've watched a lot more that I'm interested in, such as this, but I don't put down money on ones that there's nothing to show for it.
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Post by: Barzam
There are test casts. Just look at their Facebook page.
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Post by: RiTides
I believe there are only 3d prints, not casts, but I'd love to be wrong. Will be watching this regardless!
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Post by: Piston Honda
Saw this
Impressed with the art work, wish the female models were in full combat armor like their male counter parts. Not white knighting nor offended. Understand why they do it.
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Post by: Theophony
The tails remind me of the "Avatar" movie  , really like the concept work. I'll stay tuned for the KS, just want their to be more than the sketches I've seen here. I'll look at their Facebook later when not on the iPhone.
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Post by: Piston Honda
 Theophony wrote:The tails remind me of the "Avatar" movie , really like the concept work. I'll stay tuned for the KS, just want their to be more than the sketches I've seen here. I'll look at their Facebook later when not on the iPhone.
I thought the same thing, but didn't want to go there.
"hey wanna get freaky with out little reproductive cords"
Being a more organic based race, wonder if those little tails/cords are some way to keep living (eating, breathing or getting stronger) or adapt to alien environments.
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
I like the female aliens, but there seems to be a discrepancy between the male and female armor amount 
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Post by: kranki
My comment was from concept to cast is not cheap. Though I was not aware of any resin castng for $40 I assume these casts are lowish in quality, but if they are of reasonable quality please I would love more details as I am researching costs at this time...
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Post by: Cyporiean
kranki wrote:My comment was from concept to cast is not cheap. Though I was not aware of any resin castng for $40 I assume these casts are lowish in quality, but if they are of reasonable quality please I would love more details as I am researching costs at this time...
This should probably be another thread, or PMs.
We do our own in-house casting for Resin figures, so I'm well aware of the costs, and I'd say the results are better than the last few GW Finecast and Mantic PVC products I've picked up.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
 Cyporiean wrote:kranki wrote:Which is fine for companies like mercs and soda pop but if you don't have the spare 6 grand to produce a cast and that's if you find a manufacturer willing to do just one cast.
$6 Grand? to cast it in what?
Metal casting = Around $300
Resin Casting = Around $40
Plastic Casting = Around $20k
Not nitpicking, just curious, but are resin casts really that cheap compared to metal or is a zero missing?
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Post by: Cyporiean
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Not nitpicking, just curious, but are resin casts really that cheap compared to metal or is a zero missing?
Cheaper per mold, but you burn through resin molds quicker.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
Gotcha! Thanks for the information.
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Post by: RiTides
I think that's in-house casting costs, but the molds for a few resin models are indeed cheaper than doing the same for metal models, since it will usually be a flexible silicone mold. I.e. the mold itself is cheaper for resin casting, but if you're not doing it in-house the cost per cast is usually higher. That doesn't really matter for a test cast, though.
I agree that if folks want to discuss it further a new thread (maybe in Dakka Discussions) would be best.
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Post by: Barzam
Hmm, I'm not really sold on the girls, but the dudes look cool. Plus, that confirms faceplates! Any chance we'll see the basic Guyver guys with full faceplates as well, or will only the heavy guys have their faces covered?
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Post by: ClockworkChaos
Can I make a request? Like the others have noted the females look kind of off, is it possible to cover them up? I am not saying remove the sexiness of the model (if that is what you are going for) but I really do not think the only way a female miniature can look good is if it is essentially naked. I think if you covered them up in a unique manor with the bio-armor not only would it keep them looking good but the style would probably attract a lot more people. Sort of an example of covered up female is like a Hassassin Fiday from Infinity. She is totally covered up from head to toe including her face but still retains her "good-looking" nature. I may just be rambling but I think that is a better more realistic path that would fit better into the eventually fluff than using the simple "well they are basically naked because that is just how their species does it" which a lot of places use.
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Post by: Lenwean
The Uruhvel starter pack includes one Aegeon and one Undaunted in their male version (Aegeon left Undaunted right photo). But they can be seen their female versions (with similar design of armor) if we unlock the corresponding goals.
Although some girls models wear little armor it will also be heavily armored female units.
Molds masters are made from 3D prints. In the picture below you can see the print quality of the machine we use. And we put all our effort to the 3D model represents faithfully the concept of art, as it can be seen in the renders shown so far.
The objective of our campaign is not presale starter packs, but to finance production. That is why we don't have samples of castings. Hope you understand.
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Post by: Lenwean
Now available for download the rules beta version for Last Saga.
Please keep in mind that this document is a beta version of the rulebook and, while close to the definitive version, game balance is not finished yet and some rule details may change before the final version is published.
We wanted to share this beta version so we can hear from you, wargaming enthusiasts. We believe that collaboration with the gaming community is fundamental to create a really exciting product.
Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv2p3eqwy22pubb/LastSaga_EN_beta_v0.1.pdf
Please leave any other questions you may have.
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Post by: greywulf
@Lenwean
That's a beautiful miniature. I'm very interested.
As for sci-fi and not-plate armoured chicks, meh, if they can develop laser weapons and other fanciful techno gadgets in the future, who's to say the can't also develop protective body suits? I can always model my own armour on an unarmoured figure.
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Post by: Lenwean
By the way. recruitment cards, markers, templates, etc will be available to download this Friday with the Kickstarter launch.
@greywulf
Thanks! I'm glad you like our project.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Quite like the paramedic but not sold on the sci-fi generic bodysuit and armour guys or the not-very-alien aliens (especially with the females have to rely on skintanium armour...).
Was hoping for more figures like the paramedic.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Anyone download the English rules?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lv2p3eqwy22pubb/LastSaga_EN_beta_v0.1.pdf
Disappointed in the use of centimeters instead of inches. Love using metric when building things, but for war gaming I'll stick with my inches.
What's with the generic movement system? All units have the same base movement?
I understand wanting to create a set of rules that stand out from others but this seems like trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Post by: megatrons2nd
Liking the images so far. The rules are not what I was expecting, will read them in more depth over the weekend.
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Post by: Gallahad
I gave the rules a quick read, and I like what I see so far. I like the idea of overstrain markers. It is a good way to keep players from just using all their action tokens on their all stars.
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all thanks for yours coments!
@Piston Honda
We plan to add a version in inches, so players can decide whether to play their games with one or another system, according to their preferences.
Last Saga Kickstarter will be launched today !!
The Last Saga Kickstarter will be launched this Friday at 9:00pm (GMT 0:00)
Please check this links for the relation between different cities and the KickStarter launch local time.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aai5dbf7lknmbx4/timeKSworld.pdf
U.S.A times can be found in:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybimr01xjg6se7g/timeUSA.pdf
Early bird:
Our kickstarter will have some limited pledges where you can get by free our exclusive miniature! but don't worry, you will be able to get this exclusive mini during all duration of the campaign in its dedicates pledge.
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Post by: Barzam
I was hoping this was going to go live in the morning. It looks like I'll miss out on the early birds since I'll be at work when it goes live.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Eh, I'll be done with work early today Barzam, so worst case I can put in an EB for one of us.
I'm interested in one of those dragon looking dudes anyways.
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all!
The campaign preview is ready, you can check it in this link:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/2098283789?token=7108eb65
All your comments are very appreciated. If you have any feedback or anything you thing could be interesting to us, do not doubt in let us know! You can do is through the feedback field in KS link, here or in our FB page as usual.
Please have in mind today we're a little more overcharged, so we might reply you with some delay. Thanks for understanding!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Will the Uruhvel be in any sort of action pose/ equipped with any weapons? The artwork at least makes them appear very static.
I would assume all the stretches (with the exception of the civilian) will become add ons?
Any chance for new starters to appear as we unlock figures?
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Post by: -iPaint-
The Council looks great for a hard scifi faction.
The Uruhvel look good, too, or at least the male models do. Can't say I'm overly excited to see that much flesh on the females. Seems a bit gratuitous, and a missed opportunity to expand on the otherwise cool armor concepts that the males have.
~iPaint
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Post by: Lenwean
Thax for sharing !
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About the desing and miniatures.
The designs of the concepts are in a normal pose to help in the work of sculpture. But all units (except civil and extras) are looking for a dynamic combat pose.
As we work with 3D models, we can modify the figure before sending it to print, so we will listen carefully all the suggestions and ideas of the backers.
Last Saga Kickstarter campaing has begun.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga
Last Saga Kickstarter is founded !!
Thank you all !!
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Post by: greywulf
I'm actually quite surprised by the price. As in, it's lower than I expected.
30mm Infinity is what I feel. Let me qualify that. Infinity in the sense of the models, not the game. Never played so I have no idea. But I have a ton of figures to paint some day when I'm retired.
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Post by: Relapse
I don't know why armies in the future just don't field all women and save money on armor or clothes that would be spent outfitting male troopers.
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Post by: megatrons2nd
Nah... The scantily clad women are why the men need all the armor. Can't shoot the beautiful woman, who then uses the opportunity to shoot the dumbfounded man who is to busy gawking than to actually fight.
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Post by: Denilsta
First stretch goal reached already.
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He's an additional £15, and is on a 40 mm base and is 60 mm tall.
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Post by: basement.dweller
What is he though? At roughly 11' or 3,4m it can't be a suit with those proportions unless it's an alien with alien anatomy. No info on the KS page.
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Post by: Denilsta
 basement.dweller wrote:What is he though? At roughly 11' or 3,4m it can't be a suit with those proportions unless it's an alien with alien anatomy. No info on the KS page.
It's buried in the comments section, he's an Android on the humans side.
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Post by: greywulf
Its an android according to the comments area.
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Post by: basement.dweller
Thanks guys
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Post by: JoshInJapan
OK, I'll back this one for two starters plus the exclusive model. I hope they introduce at least one more faction, or else I'll just have to double up on the humans-- I don't really need or want a bunch of naked alien women. Also, be aware that shipping will be calculated at the end of the campaign, so who knows how much the final bill will be...?
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Post by: Zond
Very tempting and cheap to boot. I want to see more actual models however.
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Post by: greywulf
If you're talking about wanting to see more prints of 3D models and their medal casts, you may be out of luck according to this earlier comment made by one of the project creators.
Lenwean wrote:
The objective of our campaign is not presale starter packs, but to finance production. That is why we don't have samples of castings. Hope you understand.
If you're talking about more 3D models, I think it's just a matter of time. New renders were shown, like this one:
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Post by: cincydooley
@Lenwean - is it possible that we could get a shot of one of your models next to an infinity model or three?
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Post by: Piston Honda
is the model on the far left a Infinity model? or is it that cmon LE mech pilot? I can't tell
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Post by: cincydooley
I didn't think it was an infinity dig, but if it is that'll certainly work.
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Post by: paulson games
Edit the first post of this thread to include the kickstarter link, I had to read through 3 pages to find it, fortunately I am stubborn others might not spend as much time searching.
Also Cyporiean is spot on with the casting costs, making a mold for a 28-32mm model shouldn't run more than $20-$40 depending on the parts count, but they wear pretty quickly and you'll only get 30 or so copies before it starts to go bad. Set up costs for metal are about $300. (and if your on a super tight budget you can share the mold to do several models at that price)
Resin casting is quite cheap to do but more demanding on the labor end, quality will typically be much better then metal provide your caster is experienced with it. (GW's Finecast is terrible product to judge resin by).
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Post by: spartan059
Cincy, I'm fairly certain that the model on the left of the above picture is a Haqqislam Ghulam.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Correct.
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all, thanks for the comments!
I'm trying to answer all your questions, I hope don't forget any!
@highlord tamburlaine:
We'll show the weapons concep arts for The Council and Uruhvel along these days.
In one of the questions in the campaing FAQs we have more information about poses. I'm copying it. If you still have any concern, please tell us!
"Not really.
The process of creating a new miniature goes through converting the concept art to a 3D render. Because of that, the render image will have a mostly "neutral pose", to allow the artist add the maximun amount of details easily.
After all the work is done, it is easy to set different "action poses", previous to the 3D printing.
We want our backers have an active part of the decision making for the poses, so any ideas, images, or anything that would help us to bring life to our miniatures, will be taken into very high consideration."
@-iPaint-:
Uruhvel will also have female units with her whole body covered by armor and even heavily armored.
@basement.dweller:
You can find additional information for this model in this link:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/846779
@JoshlnJapan:
Thanks for your support! If we get enough support new factions will be unlocked.
About shipping: In the campaign information there's a shipping costs approach. Each of our figures weighs between 8 and 15 grams. Basing in your comment, we estimate it would be about £5,4.
@cincydooley:
We're trying to have an image as you're asking as soon as possible.
@paulson games:
Thanks for the tip!
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Civilian unlocked !
Every pledge level "Combat" or superior, will receive a free "Civilian" miniature.
Civilian will be at your disposal as an ADD-ON, for an additional pledge amount of £5 - ( NPC, 25mm round base)
This miniature is used to represent a target in some missions, having active part on them.
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Post by: scadianforlife
That sounds great. I backed this project for two starters. Any rough sketches of releases, like Darklands did(Mierce) did? Yeah, we all know about the past mis-deeds of Mierce (I don't want to start that here), but if it is one thing they know how to do is release art and rough sketches.
Sculpts would alo be greatly appreciated...but they are moot with no concept art? Is there any place we can see/read about the races (even the un-arted ones)? You can even have the backers vote on which race to release next?
I came from the Pacific, so I love and use the Metric, but is there any way to convert the measuring unit to the Imperial (inches) for the sake of ease?
More questions to come. I may also post these in the Backer comment section. Thanks.
I apologize for the edit:
About the Uruvhel...I understand the the beauty of the female form. However, having a family...I do not feel comfortable handling/owning minis that are quite scantily clothed. Furthermore, having experienced combat, there is really no reason to be that exposed. Would there be any possibility on armored Vanguards?
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Post by: Col. Tartleton
When you make the heavily armored female Uruhvel I'd also consider making less clothed males. I think it would balance them out aesthetically.
They don't have to be pin ups for girls since that won't make any money (the girls aren't overtly sexy, they're just a bit nude), but guys with at least bare torsos or something. Maybe just like a carapace loincloth thing like the girls have. I like the female designs, I just think it would be weird if both genders weren't almost naked. Especially if they're the sort of genetically enhanced futuristic race. I mean what do they need clothes for? They're obviously bad ass genius warrior supermodels. They'll just grow a flak jacket when they start getting shot at.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I'm thinking for a male character we can just have Roman sandals, a gold codpiece and iron nipple spikes (that can shoot out).
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Post by: scadianforlife
Col. Tartleton wrote: I mean what do they need clothes for? They're obviously bad ass genius warrior supermodels. They'll just grow a flak jacket when they start getting shot at.
Piston Honda wrote:I'm thinking for a male character we can just have Roman sandals, a gold codpiece and iron nipple spikes (that can shoot out).
Flack jacket? Ha! real men only use sun block.
Yeah, but then, those spikes are one-use. If they truly are genetically modified, there is only one solution:multiple niples....
Wait....two solutions: regenerating ones.
Make the cod piece with a folding, hidden weapon and we can talk movie deals.
In all seriousness, the objectification and misrepresentation of the female form is getting old. I can see it in Infinity as they less-than-subtly stated "based on anime" in some of their older intros. However, advanced civilizations should be intelligent enough to see the need for clothing especially in hostile environments. Just my 2cents.
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Post by: Piston Honda
since none of the female models ave sculpted I'm really hoping there will be a redirection in execution for the female models.
I can see having a little sexy as that can be a big seller, but currently it is over the top.
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Post by: Alpharius
People are backing it at a pace that got it funded quickly and the totals are still going up.
I guess the look resonates with some/many.
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Post by: greywulf
 Piston Honda wrote:since none of the female models ave sculpted I'm really hoping there will be a redirection in execution for the female models.
I can see having a little sexy as that can be a big seller, but currently it is over the top.
Perhaps you haven't seen this?
Or this?
Exposed midriff is a pretty standard thing in North American society nowadays. I would hardly characterize it as "over the top"
I assume you're referring exclusively to Uruhvel faction in your comments. I'm happy with the concept art and will be interested to see what changes they implement between now and the final castings.
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Post by: Isoulle
I gotta agree with the whole half naked models being ridiculous. I mean Infinity is pretty offensive but this managed to be worse.
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Post by: Gallahad
Where are all of you guys/gals in the Kingdom Death Monster thread? If you are offended by the objectification of women, you are missing the giant phallic elephant in the room.
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Post by: cincydooley
I know I'm going to be using a fair amount of this stuff for my nomads.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I'm aware of the Council female models, part of the reason I am contributing. Just not a huge fan of Uruhvel females.
As for being offended or think it is objectifying women, that is not the case and I am really tempted to start putting this in my sig as I have to type every so often.
When playing a war game, I like to see my male and female models outfitted for war. If the entire made up culture had skimpy clothing, such as a barbarian race I could see.
There is a degree of "sexiness" I don't mind, but pasties and a thong to war is not even trying.
I don't mind porn, women in bikinis on billboards and I love women in yoga pants. I also don't mind nude or near nude miniatures, I believe those type of miniatures are best fit for an alternative model as a "pin up" better suited for display rather than war gaming.
Not offended, I just like to see all my models prepared for combat.
As for Kingdom death, some great models, other times I feel like I stumbled on a Japanese website.
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Post by: Isoulle
 Gallahad wrote:Where are all of you guys/gals in the Kingdom Death Monster thread? If you are offended by the objectification of women, you are missing the giant phallic elephant in the room.
Kingdom of Death is beyond hope in that regard. I'm hopeful this project isn't though and the designers might be willing to listen and change.
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Post by: RiTides
Now that is a cool model, imo  . Well done!
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Post by: Col. Tartleton
 scadianforlife wrote:Col. Tartleton wrote: I mean what do they need clothes for? They're obviously bad ass genius warrior supermodels. They'll just grow a flak jacket when they start getting shot at.
Piston Honda wrote:I'm thinking for a male character we can just have Roman sandals, a gold codpiece and iron nipple spikes (that can shoot out).
Flack jacket? Ha! real men only use sun block.
Yeah, but then, those spikes are one-use. If they truly are genetically modified, there is only one solution:multiple niples....
Wait....two solutions: regenerating ones.
Make the cod piece with a folding, hidden weapon and we can talk movie deals.
In all seriousness, the objectification and misrepresentation of the female form is getting old. I can see it in Infinity as they less-than-subtly stated "based on anime" in some of their older intros. However, advanced civilizations should be intelligent enough to see the need for clothing especially in hostile environments. Just my 2cents.
Why would they need clothing? They're aliens. They're into Biotech. Why would they use textiles? They have skin for that. Humans only wear clothing because we're a tropical species that is sensitive to cold (we will die of exposure at like 10-15 Celsius) and most but not all humans have this weird social shame about nakedness. If they like the cold and aren't afraid of being naked, they should be naked. If they're afraid of getting shot at they obviously have armor. They're not wearing a silly chain mail bra, they're just nude. Presumably the coverings of their erogenous zones could be for the simple reason that those areas are sensitive and might need clothing or their breasts might need some support.
If you imagine a species which has a shame about its head being bare then the most important article of clothing for such a species would be a hat. They could be fully naked elsewhere because those areas aren't taboo. If they have a foot fetish and a foot shame then maybe they'd keep their feet covered.
While I'm not going to complain if aliens are similar to humans, after all we are (despite some arguments to the contrary about rubber forehead aliens) a reasonable template for what sophisticated tool using intelligence in the universe will be like, it seems silly to be surprised if they don't think or act exactly like us.
Forgive me for not buying into the exploitation of women nonsense. What is being misrepresented? Last time I checked woman (and men) have a number of characteristics which we can quickly use to identify their gender. Logically its easier to present fictional fantasy races or species in the same way. Yeah we could use the sexual tells of non human animals but that will probably be lost on the audience or just look silly. I'm not sure I want my warriors to look like cockatoos.
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Post by: cincydooley
Isoulle wrote: Gallahad wrote:Where are all of you guys/gals in the Kingdom Death Monster thread? If you are offended by the objectification of women, you are missing the giant phallic elephant in the room.
Kingdom of Death is beyond hope in that regard. I'm hopeful this project isn't though and the designers might be willing to listen and change.
Kingdoms death is unique and fantastic in that regard. I hope the designers don't listen to you a bit.
@Piston - completely agree for front line troop type dudes. I'm actually okay with the non-combat roles wearing something a little different, especially when this is a smaller scale skirmish.
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Post by: Piston Honda
KD has been getting complaints for sometime. Google Adam poots and look around, there are some nasty things said about him.
If they haven't changed before, they won't change now.
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Post by: Zond
If we're getting scantily clad women stuffed with cyber and bioware to make them awesome, then I want scantily clad men with the body of Adonis who are equally badass.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I dunno, the alien dudes look pretty ripped.
Personally I'm waiting to see the bugs and any more reptilian stuff, as always.
Curious as to what the bio organic weapons will look like. I hope to see some funky looking melee weapons!
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Post by: Alpharius
Isoulle wrote:I gotta agree with the whole half naked models being ridiculous. I mean Infinity is pretty offensive but this managed to be worse.
Yikes!
I realize that The Internet is, to some extent, all about hyperbole, but...really?
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Post by: basement.dweller
@ Col. Tartleton Excellent post!
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Post by: RedSarge
I'm going to be buried... buried in miniatures, they'll stab at my eyes, poke my feet, fill my lungs and get stuck between my toes. But by the Emperor! I must get me some of these! They're very well done, nice job Mr.Diaz and the design and sculpting team.
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Post by: greywulf
 RedSarge wrote:I'm going to be buried... buried in miniatures, they'll stab at my eyes, poke my feet, fill my lungs and get stuck between my toes.
Sounds like a Robert Munsch book for miniatures hobbyists!
And from an interesting recent update:
Status Report [1]
After two exciting days of campaign, we want to share with our dear backers the status of the works being done.
At the very moment that we reached the campaign's goal, we started to move things:
- Alexander Pascenko received the instructions to finish the concepts for The Council and Uruhvel remaining units.
- Questron, the studio in charge of the 3D modeling process, started with the two additional postures of the Fusilier and the Vanguard render. We are in constant feedback with them, so you will be notified in any progress, at the very moment we receive images or updates.
- We are working in having a finished cast of the Civilian as soon as possible, and even try to have it painted.
- Additionally, our backup designer, Marcos Raya, known for his amazing artworks, is on the design table with the instructions we gave to him, to release as soon as possible concept arts for the third faction of Last Saga. You can see some of his works in the following link:
TitanFall: Cómo dibujar bien https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miX0dRXr864
- Also, the great sculptor and better friend Mati, wanted to take part supporting our campaign, so he is working in the miniatures for the fourth faction. We show you here a sneak peek to his amazing work, preview of what comes next:
New faction WIP
New faction weapons
- We will in the future provide miniatures of both genders to represent units in Last Saga. This can be seen in the exclusive Kickstarter miniature, the female version of the Manticore.
- And finally, we are working on the remake of the next stretch goals of the campaign, of course from the current state, not changing anything of the currently unlocked. This is a HUGE change, so it will require a careful planning. Basically we want push the release of the new factions, being them the next stretch goals. We will give details about this shortly, but please comment with your thoughts about that.
The Rocket Games team will keep working hard!
Thank you very much!
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
I don't mind cheesecake, The alien females look ok to me, just want to see some balance, need some beefcake dudes too
PS; Not safe for macho dudes!
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Post by: Gallahad
I'm really digging that new sculpt. Very cool.
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Post by: RiTides
Agreed, Gallahad- that sculpt looks quite cool.
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Post by: greywulf
Not sure if it's easy to see or not (the screen on one of my laptops has colour issues) but the guns the figure is holding are photoshopped in. I assume it's because they will be 3D printed later then added in order to finalize the sculpt and maintain a standard design for the other faction models.
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Post by: Vertrucio
It's easy to see, but I also do the same when trying to figure out scaling and proportion of digital models.
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Post by: Lenwean
@greywulf: As you said, that was only a montage to show the weapons size in comparison with the miniature. The definitive model will hold only one weapon and as usual we will share more when the unit is finished.
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Post by: scadianforlife
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As we promised, here you have the updates for the last steps we're doing in the Last Saga development.
From tomorrow, we will reorganize the stretch goals to put in frontline the starter packs for the next factions, as it is what you are requesting the most, thought kickstarter comments and in rest of our social media.
Here you have a preview of what you'll see in the next days.
The first thing we show you is the concept of a unit of the Raiders of Saanar faction, a race of adventurers and outlaws willing to not let go any loot.
This is a preview of our process for designing units. First, illustrators make some quick sketches to find an aesthetic in general that fits our idea. What you can see here are the first shots of the Guardians of Tanaor.
GUARDIANS OF TANAOR The home planet of the guardians is near the center of the galaxy, in the Scutum Arm. The First Watcher governs from there, ruling over a range of lineages who worship honor and family. Wielders of the highest technology in the galaxy, they succumb to arrogance and ostentation, seeing the other races as mere barbarians and lesser beings, treating them in a cold and polite way in the best cases.
More progress on a new sculpture in which is working our good friend Mati (Badsmile) as personal collaboration to this project.
Tomorrow we reach the first week of launching the campaign and we will continue working hard thanks to your support to help us making Last Saga an exciting universe and game.
3rd Race.
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Post by: greywulf
Sorry scadianforlife. I'm posting a new version just so we have the pics properly positioned. You can add images by using the various buttons at the top when you 'post reply'.
As we promised, here you have the updates for the last steps we're doing in the Last Saga development.
From tomorrow, we will reorganize the stretch goals to put in frontline the starter packs for the next factions, as it is what you are requesting the most, thought kickstarter comments and in rest of our social media.
Here you have a preview of what you'll see in the next days.
The first thing we show you is the concept of a unit of the Raiders of Saanar faction, a race of adventurers and outlaws willing to not let go any loot.
This is a preview of our process for designing units. First, illustrators make some quick sketches to find an aesthetic in general that fits our idea. What you can see here are the first shots of the Guardians of Tanaor.
GUARDIANS OF TANAOR The home planet of the guardians is near the center of the galaxy, in the Scutum Arm. The First Watcher governs from there, ruling over a range of lineages who worship honor and family. Wielders of the highest technology in the galaxy, they succumb to arrogance and ostentation, seeing the other races as mere barbarians and lesser beings, treating them in a cold and polite way in the best cases.
More progress on a new sculpture in which is working our good friend Mati (Badsmile) as personal collaboration to this project.
Tomorrow we reach the first week of launching the campaign and we will continue working hard thanks to your support to help us making Last Saga an exciting universe and game.
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Post by: scadianforlife
Thanks, man. My ipad crashed as I was posting that update. I just said "screw it" after that.
Hopefully we get more updates like this.
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Post by: Piston Honda
All combat level pledges and higher get a free miniature. Yay me!
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Post by: Barzam
I hope we see the Vespidae soon. She's the one I'm leaning towards as my freebie.
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all!
We have new stuff about Last Saga and its background.
Hope you like it!
Last Saga Kikstarter: http://kck.st/1n5kzVF
And WIP concept for the Commando (The council)
And new add-ons
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Post by: Barzam
Looking forward to seeing how the Vespidae looks.
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Post by: Lenwean
Concept WIP for the Vespidae unit. Although it's still a WIP, it shows well the final design it'll have.
Link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/854266
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Post by: Zond
I think I'll end up pledging for this shortly.
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Post by: Barzam
I like what I'm seeing with the Vespidae. Full armor. Enclosed helmet. Yeah, I'll be getting her for sure.
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Post by: Piston Honda
New faction is unlocked from what it seems. Raider of Saanar.
Likr it overall, not sure if I like that crown on his forehead. Hopefully it translates well in miniature form.
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Post by: Lenwean
@Piston Honda: Thanks for sharing!
Hi all, The starter pack for Saanar has been unlocked! Now you can select this starter in your pledge or adding it as a new addon.
Last Saga KS: http://kck.st/1n5kzVF
This starter pack contains:
1x Contractor equipped with burst rifle. (Officer)
3x Corsair. Three different models equipped with assault rifle. (Basic)
1x Guild Assassin equipped with burst pistol and assassin blade. (advanced)
1x Dog of war equipped with missile launcher. (Advanced)
6x round base (25mm)
6x recruitment card.
[One weapon set is included to change in one Corsair its assault rifle with a burst rifle]
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Post by: Zond
Anyone played around with the demo rules yet? I'm perusing them at work currently, not sure what I think yet.
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Post by: Piston Honda
@Rocket games,
saw this image on the internets
Are those other drawings planned for this ks?
I want hat chick with the sword on the right, and the guy on the far left.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Stalker WiP for the Uruhvel faction
This guys pretty cool looking, would love to see a female version in full armor.
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Post by: scadianforlife
Piston Honda wrote:@Rocket games,
saw this image on the internets
Are those other drawings planned for this ks?
I want hat chick with the sword on the right, and the guy on the far left.
@Rocket Games
I posted this quesion in through the KS and got this response
generally do not share the work in progress he is making to us. In his deviantart gallery, you can see the majority of his professional works, though. He is truly an exceptional conceptual artist.
I don't know, man. I did not want to bring this up on the KS board because I want this to succeed. However, I am getting nervous that even now 8 days into the KS, we only got 3 pictures of WIP, and COPIES of the artist's work. So, it's not even your OWN concept art?
At least give me some fluff. No, right? Still WIP?
How about new 3d renders? Still WIP, right?
Come on, a new KS with the same development as yours is coming MONDAY. Give me some hope, man.
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Post by: Piston Honda
what's making you nervous.
Not sure what you mean by the "it's not your own concept art". I know for a fact one in the middle is RG's. As for the others, I have no clue. Could be theirs. Could be just a compilation of recent works by the artist.
As for sculpts, wish we could have seen more from day one but guess that is the purpose of KS. To show a layout idea and get it funded.
Ideal ks for me is to show the creators had a certain level of economic backing from day in terms of art and sculpts.
If 4 factions are planned 5 miniatures each in a starter, would be ideal to have sculpts for 5 to 10 of those, or have previous releases (ie Kingdom death).
I would like to see more fluff too. But nothing rushed out, more so in terms of dialog. Don't want any second rate syfy script quality writing.
Perhaps more of an overview would be best at this stage and time line.
this is interesting tid bit however,
The interaction between races is harsh in most cases. For the current factions being worked is like this:
The Uruhvel have no contact with others, they seem just wander around and attack random targets, but Intel reports suggest that attacks are generally involved with some classified information other races may get. What do they want? We will see...
The Council and Raiders of Saanar know each other well and there is a commerce relationship: trading general goods, information, etc. always with the germ of suspecting in the air.
Also, some Merchant Princes of the Saanar are trying to stablish commercial routes with the Guardians of Tanaor, but the constant attacks and pillage from other Saanar groups hinder those agreements: the Guardians see no difference between different Saanar groups, so the relations are tense and stagnant.
We are compiling all the ideas and plots, redacting them in a legible and publicable form.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Unit for the Raiders of Saanar
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Post by: Rolt
Looks like I more or less got my wish for a female stalker.
Vespidae Concept for the Uruhvel faction:
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Guardians of Tanaor Wip
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Post by: Alpharius
The full update says:
Update #34
May 29 2014
Tanaor Infantry
3 comments
Hi!
Here is the first design for the Guardians of Tanaor! It belongs to a Basic unit, the Infantry of their Combat Forces.
The Stretch Goal for the starter pack will be included shortly.
Also, Questron sent us a message about the repositioning of the Fusilier, and the 3 different body postures should be finished by tomorrow. Of course, we will share them asap!
Thank you very much!
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Post by: Piston Honda
Do they have the same artist for all units? because that art style looks different from the others and very familiar.
Do love it though.
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
 Rolt wrote:Looks like I more or less got my wish for a female stalker.
Vespidae Concept for the Uruhvel faction:
This made me think of Guyver
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Hello!
Here you have the definitive design for Stalker.
Let us know what you think!
@Jehan
Yep basically the exact reason I like it so much, its pretty much fem-guyver 
Dear lord I still remember watching the crappy live action movie back in secondary school (and WWE), man the trauma...
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Post by: Barzam
The Guyver is the reason I really like the idea of organic armor and why I'm finding myself a big fan of the Uruvhel. They were talking about allowing us the option of using the Vespidae body for the Vanguard girls. I think I may just do that.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
(Since there's several updates on top of each other I'll just post the most important stuff)
Size Comparison
Hi all!
Here you have some pictures with other similar ranges models for size comparison.
After the first tests with the copies we received, we are making some minor adjustments to the scale of our models to improve the final result. We will comment this in more detail in the next update.
Anyway these pictures are a good guide about the final size that the miniatures for Last Saga will have.
Let us know what you think!
Size looks pretty good. they look like they'd scale pretty well with infinity or deadzone which is what I'm after.
3D sculpt alterations to the current fusilier and more renders.
There's more info on the KS itself, I highly suggest checking it out. You can see the full updates here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts
Enjoy.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I'm so glad they fixed his combat bat boots. They looked like tap dancing shoes. Now they look like they can legitimately curb stomp someone.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Raiders of Saanar
Hi all!
Here we have the last two concepts for the Raiders of Saanar starter pack.
Left: contractor, Right: corsair
Which pose would you like to see for these miniatures?
Also interesting little tidbit from the comments section from the creator:
we expect to release more "big guys" in all factions, not only the Dragon. It is rumoured the Uruhvel has a big unit wearing a bio-organic exoskeleton...
So sounds like the Uruhvel will be getting a bio-mecha of sorts.
Enjoy.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Project Reworked!
Hi everyone!
We have remodeled the entire body of the campaign, seeking to make everything more clear, which options do you have, and the reward for supporting us.
Also, the stretch goals have been revised. After making lots of numbers, talking with our collaborators and the companies working with us, and the help and support of our backers, we pushed a little the next unlocks, adding some more addons like different weapons for already locked units.
We are still revising and making some minor adjustments, also we are open to suggestions, as usual.
Hope this help us to be more transparent in our intentions with this project!
The reworked stretch goals are as follows:
Also the Saanar Starter pack has been unlocked (12k goal):
Its available as a £18 add-on or a starter faction choice, the project currently stands at £12,495 and climbing.
Enjoy.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I was not very impressed with the very first Saanar concept sketch, but the rest of them?
damn fine.
So from, my understanding, they are like space gypsies?
they go around establishing trade route, black mailing and ripping people off. Automatically Appended Next Post: looks good
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
The Guardians of Tanaor starter set stretch goal has been added at £15k
And a concept art update on them:
Hello again!
Most of the rework in the main page is done, we will be adding some details tomorrow.
Also, to spice the end of the day, we will share the just received work in progress for another unit of the Guardians of Tanaor starter pack by Marcos Raya Delgado. The image shows various options for details on the belt, the head and armor. Which one or combination do you like the most?
Leave your thoughts!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
update:
Hi all!
Here you have a quick view for the Dragon ( WIP). It's next to a fusilier model included in The Council starter pack.
Although model is still a WIP, it can be seen the main look that the Dragon will have.
The pose will be set when all the work in textures and details are finished.
Hope you enjoy!
The dragon is coming along really nice, would be a great addition for all you TAG lovers out there.
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Post by: Rolt
Ran across this on Rocket Games Facebook, a detail render of the Dragons head and upper body.
Looking good.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Update:
This is the third Fusilier, from different angles to see the level of detail. It will have his arm supplied separately, also interchangeable with the other Fusilier arm models.
Hope you enjoy!
Enjoy.
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Update:
Hello everyone,
This is the first of a couple of Status Reports, because we have received some questions from different people and we want to put light on everything.
About the future of Last Saga, what are we doing here and what will be next?
With the Kickstarter campaign, as you know, we plan to set up a base for Last Saga, with the two planned starter packs, growing after that with more miniatures to complete the roster, updates of the rules, events, tournaments, etc.
From the beginning, our intention for our backers to be the first enjoying the miniatures for Last Saga, that is why, until the moment the last backer has received his/her reward, the models will not be available by any other meanings.
After that, the online shop will be opened. Also, we are in contact with some retailers interested on our future products.
We will have a constant flow of monthly news and updates, trying to balance the available options for each faction. That way, every player will have the same variety of models at his/her disposal, being this one of our compromises.
Up to today, we have designed a total of 20 units per faction (5 factions), between basic, advanced and officer units. We will share the complete lists along next weeks, and their recruitment cards will be published in a regular basis, to show a clear idea of the type of units and their capacities.
Day after day we keep the work on releasing the maximum number of models for the start of the game. Result of that was making more accessible the Stretch Goals, and during the post-campaign we will keep that way of work. Every new model we achieve to produce will be added to the post campaign manager, having the adjusted price for our backers as the rest of the models. The way the pledge manager will work will be explained shortly.
Finally, we think a game is as valuable as its community. In that direction, as we have stated many times before, we want to slowly build confidence and trust. We think is a good way (and we do not know any other way of being, anyway) of managing a company.
There are some other things to explain, will be covered on the next Status Report!
Thank you very much!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts
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Update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/868268
Tanaor update [2]
Hi all!
Here we have the new concept for the Guardians of Tanaor starter pack.
Exiled.
Among the ranks of the Guardians of Tanaor, the failure is never forgiven. But when this happens, and the Tanaori fall from grace, their only option is to continue in the path of shame as an Exiled, doing the tasks that Guardians do not want even imagine.
Because of their miscellaneous procedence, the Exiled can be equipped with a wide range of weaponry, being the perfect jack of all trades. Combined this with some "dirty tactics" no other Tanaori would ever do, the Exiled fills a very needed place in the rigid formations of the Guardians of Tanaor.
Update #2 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/867590
Those who destroyed Earth: New faction unlocked!
Hello everyone!
Tomorrow we will release the second part of the Status Report, with some thoughts on the game system, the upcoming pledge manager, and the general status of the works.
We were preparing an update with the new concept art, to show you another unit of the Guardians of Tanaor starter pack: the Exiled. But breaking news stopped that plan.
We want to share the works on the fifth faction. We did not plan to release this on the KS, but the incredible work that Mati is doing in his collaboration is going to permit that addition, automatically unlocking its choice as eligible faction for the starter packs and as addon.
Here you have the first looks of the modeled miniatures being finished:
This is the base model for the starter pack basic unit. It has a "static" pose, because at that point some resin copies are made, working later on them to make the three final postures, giving also a dynamic posture and adding details.
That one is the nearly finished model for Jeghrok Brute, an advanced unit of the starter pack. It will be equipped with a grenade launcher, later some details added and done!
Here are too some 3D modeled weapons for the faction, already sent to the 3D printer.
The Officer and the second advanced unit are also on the way. As you may have noted, this faction is composed by multiple alien races: if you have read the plot for The Council, you can have a general idea of which one is.
That will push us to the limit, as we need to prepare everything for another faction, but giving our backers that option for the Kickstarter is priceless. Along the weekend we will add that information to the front page!
Hope you like it!
Enjoy.
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In at a quid at the moment, can happily see myself throwing plenty at it post kickstarter now.
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Cool to hear Zond, I'll post the pledge manager info as soon as its available.
I'm down for the Special Combat tier - 2x battleforce, LE miniature + 1 free mini & Civilian. Although I might upgrade to the Special Battle teir which comes with an extra battleforce and x1 extra free mini.
At that tier I could get x1 Uruhvel Starter Pack, 2x Uruhvel Support Packs, 1x Vespidae and 1x Stalker if it unlocks. that's around a 300 points army for £54, pretty good deal in my book and it supports an
up and coming group of creator's which is always a great thing to do.
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If I can swing it I'll jump to £72 before kickstarter end. Mid month sucks for wages. :-P
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Just a quick update:
Rocket Games have posted a short story from a Last Saga backer:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts
Kinda cool to see fan work featured.
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Post by: Lenwean
Hi all,
Thank you Rolt for keeping the thread updated! Your help is very much appreciated.
And the Black Crow have been unlocked! Thanks to our backers, this unit is now available!
Bold and daring, these adrenaline junkies add to the fury of combat jumping from miles high, timing the opening of the parachute with the very last moment of the freefall. It is said of them that bring death under their wings, so the name Black Crows fits perfectly.
With the ability to appear at the time and place of the battlefield that is most needed, the Black Crow offers a very high tactical advantage. Combine this with support weapons and variety of grenades; they land over the enemy from the sky, carrying much more than bad news.
Thank you very much, your support is truly amazing!
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Post by: JoeRugby
Anyone else think the concept art for the Black crow looks like Flint from G.I. Joe
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
New model for Vespidae - Uruhvel. Unlocked.
The model can be chosen as a Type A reward or as Type A addon to your pledge.
Includes 25mm round base and Recruitment Card.:
Also the The Print&Play PDF has been updated for the Saanar starter pack
Here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/869182
Enjoy.
@Lenwean
Not a problem at all I don't mind helping out, also I look forward to seeing that Uruhvel Bio-Mecha you hinted at.
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Tanaor update
Hi all!
While we finish The Council Unit List, we leave the concept of the officer for the Guardians of Tanaor starter pack.
MAESTRE
Holding maximum authority among the ranks of the Order of War, the Maestre is a figure of power. Examples of honor, dedication and servitude for the Tanaori society, those unparalleled warriors always go to battle leading their fellow Knights.
Heavily armored, equipped with very powerful weaponry, and with a tactical mastery, the only weak spot the Maestre has is their honor and pride, leading to some rigidity on their formations. While many enemies try to exploit that, only a few survive long to have a second look to those amazing warriors.
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Hi!
Remember that Last Saga is in his final Week! -> http://kck.st/1n5kzVF
Just a little clarification, the last Vespidae unlocked is a new weapon model for the Vespidae. We put the wrong banner in the update, our most sincere apologies.
This is the correct one:
The banner for the new faction is on the main page, showing the content of the Sovereign Empire starter Pack!
Also, we have just released the full list of The Council units, with name, short description, stats, abilities and equipment. You can see them on .pdf on the following dropbox link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wpzuvj9455lw8dk/The%20Council%20Unit%20List.pdf
That will give you a general idea of the options a player can have when setting up a Combat Force. We will continue with the Uruhvel full list along next week!
@JoeRugby I love G.I. Joe! I think is the beret...
Thank you!
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Update:
Pledge Manager [1]
Hi everyone! We are working on the Pledge Manager configuration for it to be ready at the end of the campaign, to permit the maximum flexibility possible on the rewards selection, also making all this process as painless as possible.
The Pledge Manager we are using is Backerkit. Some of you probably know it from other projects and have experience with it. You can see more about this manager on its website:
https://backerkit.com/
The detailed use of the manager will be extensively explained on a future update.
The steps for the post-campaign process will be the following:
When the campaign finalizes, the first period of the manager will be opened. At this time, each backer will be able to choose rewards and add new add-ons if wanted.
When this period ends, a second limited period, only for backers too, will be active. On this period, backers will have the possibility to raise their pledge to choose new add-ons.
After this, a third period will be opened, accessible to non-backers too. During this time, the exclusive miniature, reinforcement packs or additional rewards will not be available.
All the additional support we would receive during the post campaign will be destined to the new models, making them available on the manager at the very moment.
Do not hesitate in asking any concerns you may have on those subjects, we hope the pledge manager will make easy and clear all the process.
Finally, we want to emphasize our priority on maximize the quality of our models, now and in the post-campaign, finally shipping your rewards to you as soon as possible.
Thank you very much for your support!
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New Add-ons - Saanar reinforcements
Hi everyone!
As explained in the Update #60, these are the new eligible addons unlocked!
We desired this, allowing a little more balance on the basic options for each one of the factions. The concept arts for the designs of those units will come on the following days, of course with the high standards we require.
Hope you like!
Free Agent
The Merchant Prince Velphor thought that entering the mercenaries business would be profitable, but he did not foresee how successful that idea would be. Generations later, the Star Chaser Group is the main source for finding effective mercenaries to hire, as every Merchant Prince knows when rough works are coming.
Polyvalent, effective and merciless, the mercenaries trained by the S.C.G. usually make use of support robotic systems, controlled with neural implants to aid them in battle. That efficacy and training should be paid, not doing so carry consequences a Merchant Prince would never consider.
Grot
In planet Saanar, twin races coexisted during millennia. One of them, the Grot, did not have the vivid intellect necessary for evolving to a technological age, but being physically impressive, they found an alternative to extinction as helpers, workers and warriors on the ranks of their brethren, the lately known as Raiders of Saanar.
Gigantic bulks of muscles, the Grot accompany the incursion groups sometimes. Their little intellect do not make them suitable for a complex tactic, but when you need a frenzied bulldozer clearing your way through, the Saanar have a fast and easy choice.
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Yes, new reinforcements for the Raiders of Saanar!
Thank you for posting the news Rolt!
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The brute Resin Maste came out a lot better than I thought it was
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Looking good. I have high hopes for my Uruhvel.
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
I'm glad this kickstarter is doing well. I think the concept art looks really good, and I really like the rules. There are some neat ideas in there, and it should make for a fun and fast-paced game with just a handful of models needed per side.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I got to play 2 games. overall is quite fun and fast, It feels like a FPS but with some strategic thought as the game progresses.
I have a few issues with some rules directions. Hopefully they will be ironed out. My biggest complaint is you MUST shoot the enemy closes to you unless you have an ability that lets you discriminate between enemy units.
The flow of the move and shoot will take some time to get use to.
They (Rocket games) state that the rules will be in both inches and CM. Personally I feel as though that is an unnecessary task that could prove to be too much. Especially if you need to make stat card with measurements on them, unless they include them together. such as 4in (10cm).
Hopefully they will consider having the special abilities defined and possibly weapon details on the back rather than art.
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Thank you for the opinion on the rules, Honda. I haven't had a chance to actually try them out. I was also a little unsure about the rule of having to shoot the closest target. That seems pretty limiting. But I suppose it does also allow you to position your own guys to protect the officers, "wounded", or other important targets.
I also don't care much about having both inches and centimeters. The other main concern I had was that there are a lot of abilities for the models and different weapons, which would be a lot to remember. That's a good idea having them on the card so you can reference them quickly.
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That was an issue. If I happen to remember what an ability does for an miniature, it's because I happen to use way too many times in a game. I don't go out and memorize abilities. Just core rules. Needing to flip pages in a book sucks. And having a sheet of paper in a pain in the ass. Still have to search for it and takes up considerable space on a table than what is needed.
Being able to tell a new player who is interested in the game "flip the card over" is much more favorable.
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How did the damage system work out? There is a roll on that damage chart, which doesn't appear to be modified for already being damaged. So I was a little concerned that a model with high resiliency might be really hard to take out unless they roll 10-12 on that chart and die outright.
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There is a modifier for attacking damaged units or units that are "pressured". IIRC it's +2
We screwed up combat a few times.
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Update:
(Since there's several updates on top of each other I'll just post the most important stuff)
Stalker - Unlocked!
Thanks to your amazing support, the Stalker is finally here:
The model can be chosen as a Type A reward or as Type A addon to your pledge.
Includes 25mm round base and Recruitment Card.
Thank you very much!
Full update with fluff: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/872941
Sovereign Empire Preview
ARCHON (Leader)
Jeghrok Brute
Nagrim Serf (Troop)
3D models of the Plasma Rifle and the Plasma Pistol
Full update with fluff: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/872103
New Mission - “GOING CRAZY”
Hello!
There we leave a new mission!
It is meant to use the civilian miniature, but will not be the only mission featuring VIPs! The complete text can also be downloadable from the P&P folder, as a pdf file, for easy printing.
Hope you like it! Please, if you find any mistakes, or the text needs clarifications, let us know!
This is a free mission posted on the KS, you can play this with the print & play or proxie miniatures, the full update including mission details and
download link is here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/874164
The Sovereign Empire Starter Pack has been unlocked:
And two new units for the Raiders of Saanar:
Thats all of it guys, theres more on the KS page itself so please check the links I provided. I'm very happy with the empire preview, really liking the Archon, might
pick up the starter set just for her shes very regal and dominant looking, just the way I like it.
Finally, the KS stands at £13,764 with 3 days left (ends Sunday 15th), next goal is Guardians of Tanaor starter pack at £15k.
Enjoy.
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Thanks you for your help here, Rolt. You are amazing!
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
There is a lot going on with this Kickstarter! They are posting frequent updates. These include some new stretch goals, some bonus objective models for everyone, and some information about the timeline for the next revision of the rules.
New Stretch Goals
Hi all!
We are close to unlock the Tanaor starter pack and we're very excited to get it unlocked during the campaign.
We have added new stretch goals in 16k and 17k to strengthen the faction with two new models.
We also hope to unlock them so they can also be part of your games soon!
Models are Curator, a basic robotic unit, in 40mm base and Faceless, advanced unit specialized in melee.
Final Stages - Thanks for backing us!
We are on the final hours! To reward your amazing support, we prepared a little addendum!
Those three boxes are meant to be used as marker for a mission, and every pledge level Starter or higher will receive a free set!
Hope you like them!
Game System status.
Hi all!
On this update we want to write a little on the progress of the game system. We have received a good amount of awesome feedback, comments, suggestions, etc. so thank you very much!
The main mechanics and style of the game seemed to have been proven solid and functional, on par with the ideas we wanted to transmit: fast, agile and tactical. Because of that, no major changes on that structure are needed.
Some minor points we are revising, many of them pointed by your awesome feedback, to balance things and made games more dynamic and fun, are:
The way of the “area of effect” weapons work. This is something that needs a little love in the rules, explaining better how dispersion works for the different weapons (currently do not disperse).
High ground benefits. We will consider that, because it would add an additional tactical sense.
About cover, is patent that a miniature without cover may fall very fast (working as intended). We will emphasize on the manual that the use of cover is essential, also the bonuses will be revised too, but most likely the numbers here are ok.
The AC values will receive some adjustments. The first value will be lowered a little, to allow easiness on the application of pressure markers. We want this to be a core mechanic, so is very important. Also the counters will be substituted by markers with the current level of pressure (-1, -2 and -3) to reduce the amount of those in the gameplay.
The Damage Check table will receive some adjustments, making harder for a unit to be severely damaged or put out of combat.
Some abilities will be revised and balanced, also adding some missing on the current version of the manual.
The weapons section will be expanded, tuning some numbers and making clear some weapons abilities and explaining others.
The missions section will be upgraded, adding some flavor text and more mechanics. The released mission “Going Crazy” is a little preview of that.
On the next weeks we will keep making a good amount of tests to refine the system! We also hope you keep sending us more feedback, commenting how the game experience feels. As said, that material is incredibly valuable.
Next month, the new beta version will be released, in Spanish and English, with all those changes. It will come together with the revised RCs and material for testing, like new markers and counters and quick reference cards. That will be very close to the final version, but we will leave a door open of course, for the reception of feedback and opinions.
After the next version is complete, is our intention to make videos of gameplay, detailing all the important parts and how the system works, and publish Battle Reports with our games. On that we want to encourage people on sending us photos of their games to post them on our dedicated blog!
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Thanks for posting this Albino, would love to see the faceless unlocked.
Just a heads up guys the project currently stands at £14k with 50 hours left (ends Sun15th) the next stretch goal is the Guardians of Taanor starter set at £15k,
Time to get your last minute pledges in guys and gals
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
I tried out the rules last night, and here's a writeup I did of my game along with pictures.
http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2014/06/last-saga-beta-rules-test.html
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nice write up. Albino.
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Post by: Lenwean
Thanks to the incredible support of our backers, the Guardians of Tanaor starter pack is here!
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Update:
Faceless - Unlocked!
Hello everyone!
The Faceless is here! Thanks to your support, the model can be chosen as a Type A reward or as Type A Add-On to your pledge.
Includes 25mm round base and Recruitment Card.
Thank you very much!
Faceless
The Faceless belongs to an unnamed subgroup inside the Tanaori society. They have all the keys and they hear all the rumors. It is said that they do not have any face to remove any
personal responsibility and hesitation they may have in the execution of the orders. Those orders come directly from the First Watcher and sometimes they are against individual honor:
any normal Tanaori who would have to obey some of those orders, would have no choice but become an Exiled afterwards.
As executors of the sentences imposed by the First Watcher, the Faceless is cold and lethal. Experts in the use of blade weapons, used when an execution sentence is ordered,
they are also proficient in their use in battle. Luckily for their enemies, they never follow orders from lesser Officers, being apart of Tanaor tactics. But this makes them also more
unpredictable, therefore more dangerous.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/877757
The KS currently stands at £16,200 with 9hours left, the next stretch goal is the Guardians of Tanaor Curator at £17k
Very happy to see the Faceless unlocked, now lets get that mini-mecha!
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Serestian Pester - New Stretch Goal
We are adding a new stretch goal! As said, the next ones will feature units for the Sovereign Empire.
Unlocking them in the few hours left of campaign would be awesome, but if not, they will during the post campaign period!
Thank you very much!
Only 4 hours left guys, if your interested in this project at all now's the chance to get your last minute pledge in, even if only a low tier there will be a
pledge manager so you can always upgrade later. The KS stands at £16,800, the next goals are at £17k & £18k
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Less than one hour left!!
Thank you very much for the constant updates Rolt, your are awesome!!
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Quick Update:
The Curator for the Guardians of Tanaor has been unlocked:
The Serestian Pester for the Empire has been unlocked:
The next stretch goal is the Nagrin Bomber for the Sovereign Empire at £19k
And support packs for the Raiders of Saanar and Guardians of Tanaor have been added:
The KS currently stands at £18,783 with 15 minutes left, get your final pledges in guys and gals.
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Post by: Zond
Not in for much at the moment, planning to do most post Kickstarter. What enterprising individual has devised the best way to get one of everything?
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Well congratulations on getting funded, but I find curious the last few unlocks remained dark silhouettes.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It could be that they didn't manage to get the images uploaded before the KS ended
Once a KS end the front page locks and can't be edited or modified so they will be stuck with it as is
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Maybe, but they should at least do an update, though I feel some are a few days old.
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Post by: Piston Honda
 PsychoticStorm wrote:Maybe, but they should at least do an update, though I feel some are a few days old.
It's in the works. Earliest is tomorrow, they are getting things together.
They also switch 2 factions around which put the Empire before Tanaor on priority as Mati (sculptor for the empire) finished and got going on a number of sculpts before any of the Tanaor were done.
RG hopes to have the first Council minis printed by the end of the month and possibly cast not long after.
Last I heard they will be spin casting the models in phases as models are completed rather than wait for all of them to be done.
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Update:
Manticore update [1]
Hi all!
The Manticore model is almost ready. Just remains to add some details and finish the weapons. Next step is to give it a cool combat pose and it will be ready to print.
We hope you like it!
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Update:
Saanar Weapons Concepts
Hello!
Some of the weapon designs for the Raiders of Saanar.
Hope you like them!
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Really great concepts. I just don't have the funds to support. That makes me sad.
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Update:
Archon
Hi everyone!
Mati sent us an update for the Archon, just wanted to share it with you. There are lots of details still to come,
but the basic form and posture is almost done.
Hope you enjoy!
Even with only basic blocking in place the Archon is starting to look really nice, I could only imagine how nice shes gonna be finished.
Might have to add that empire starter set to my pledge after all.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I may have to add extra funds for a 4th box set. I currently want the Council, Guardians of Tanaor and the Uruhvel (I like all their units except the vanguard, for obvious reasons).
I am at over 100 British pounds for this already. :(
No matter, I have spent far more on some rotten KS.
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Post by: Barzam
*sigh* Still waiting for them to give Uruhvel some more love. I'd like to see their weaponry. I'm really curious if their weapons will be organic as well.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I think we have only seen one weapon right now.
They hired an additional studio that fits their needs and art direction so it will speed up the sculpting process.
In the opening days of the KS they mentioned Concentrated effort to get the Council done so they can cast the stuff while the Uruhvel get finished up. By the sounds of it, the same company/sculptors that are working on the Council are working the the Uruhvel. They seemed hopeful to get a metal cast done by July.
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
I wrote up another battle report. This time I was testing out some rules ideas I had, so there are some differences with the actual rules, which I point out. I played this before the recent rules updates were made, so I'm not using the latest changes unfortunately. But have a look and let me know what you think.
http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2014/06/last-saga-beta-rule-suggestions-playtest.html
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Update:
Manticore update
Hello everyone!
The Manticore is here! Only a few final details, and it will be ready for printing.
The models for the Council Starter Pack are almost ready, we are eager to have the complete set and start the casting process!
@Albino Squirrel
Thanks for posting the battle reports, they're really helpful and I look forward to seeing more as the Beta develops.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Glad they gave it a good pose. After seeing an early pose of the sniper girl (one of which I was not too happy about) I feared they had no real concept on how to post minis.
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Update:
Contractor ( WiP) update.
Hi all!
The Contractor model is almost ready. Just remains to add some details and it will be ready to print.
We hope you like it!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/889660
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Post by: Piston Honda
Everything about the mini screams awesome except those exposed legs. Am I alone?
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Not a fan of the design to be honest.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
You don't want some well toned man legs on your alien warriors?
Pants would help. Otherwise he looks good from the waist up.
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Update:
Status Report [5]
Hello everyone!
Have been a while since the last Status Report, but here we are again!
All is going very good!: The manticore was sent to print, the Tactical Officer is on the workbench to complete The Council Starter Pack, the Contractor and the Dragon are getting its final touches, etc. At the very moment we have images to share, you will see them as usual.
The system is evolving pretty good too, we are making continuous adjustments, so that is why the updates on that subject have stopped a little. We currently have revised all the weapons and their Special Rules; next will be the Special Rules for Units followed by the Units themselves. All this go in conjunction with a lot of clarifications needed on the manual that will be revised before the release of the v0.2.
We are compiling and developing all the fluff, to expand the background of the world and spice the units and the missions.
All the background will be available in our upcoming website, also available to download in pdf format. The pdf version of the beta manual will be kept fluff free, to ease the check of the rules during games. Also, we are thinking the best way of making quick reference cards, more on this on future updates.
And finally, Backerkit is near! We are waiting the end of the collection period, it should be tomorrow (they said 15 days). Following that event, we will notify you how will everything work, in the most detailed way possible to avoid confusion.
Thank you very much!
So by the sound of it a large portion of the council forces are done (or at least the starter set) and we should be seeing phyical master prints soon, also the
plegde manager should be along within the next month or so.
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Post by: Barzam
Yeah, the Raiders are totally not my thing. You guys can have you pantless aliens. I'll stick with the nude bug women, thank you.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Contractor update [2]
Hello everyone!
The finished model of the Contractor! Hope you like the final result, after the addition of the trousers, and some additional details.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/895737
Faceless update [1]
Hi people!
We have a new concept to share. It belongs one of the units unlocked before the end of the campaign: the Faceless.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/896603
The Contractor is finished and now has short shorts instead of bare legs and the Faceless concept looks great, can't wait to see the mini.
@Barzam
Yeah sure nude bug women are fine and all but how about scantly bug men with exposed midriff?
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Update:
Curator update [1]
Hi!
Today we have the concept for Curator! The design just arrived from the Crafters Guild of Tanaor, made by a legendary Artisan: Marcos Raya Delgado.
Enjoy.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I like that curator.
The contractor does look a lot better with shorts.
Still something about it (the lower half) doesn't feel right. Raiders of Saanar are the only faction that does not get me excited.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Serestian Pester Update [1]
Hi!
We present the Serestian Pester concept art, by Marcos Raya. This vicious breed works willingly for the Sovereign Empire, hungering for new preys to devour. Very fitting for the Sovereign Empire standards!
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Post by: Denilsta
I am really liking the concepts for this KS, I don't normally play futuristic genre games but I think I'll stump up for a few different starter sets when the pledge manager comes out.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Dragon Update [2]
Hi all!
The Dragon model is finished! Some details changed a little from the WIP you saw, fundamentally constructive ones on its joints to give it more sensation of movement
The miniature will be composed of 10 different parts: the head, torso, hips, left arm, right arm, left leg, right leg, the two winglets, and a set of rubble (this last part not 3D printed but molded with putty later). This will confer freedom at the moment of the mounting, permitting different positions.
In the future, we plan to release a tutorial of "How to t̶r̶a̶i̶n̶ mount your Dragon", to show the complete process.
Hope you like it!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/901708
Free Agent Update [1]
Hi all!
There we have the concept art of the Free Agent of the Raiders of Saanar, by Alexandr Pascenko. The minion is missing, because we are considering the design and how it would fit in the mould, but it will be presented.
Don't forget to make the payment after the job is done!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/903508
Enjoy.
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Post by: Ald
Rolt, thank you very much for keeping the post constantly updated!
We have the first Corsair and the Free Agent minion renders ready.
Hope you like!
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Post by: Barzam
I'm thinking I'm going to have to grab a Dragon when the pledge manager opens up. It looks like it'll be a good replacement for the Panoceania Squalo. Will there be different poses for the Dragon, or will it just be that one pose with two weapon options?
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Post by: Ald
Barzam wrote: Will there be different poses for the Dragon, or will it just be that one pose with two weapon options?
There is only one model for the Dragon, but it will be the model will be composed of 10 different parts: the head, torso, hips, left arm, right arm, left leg, right leg, the two winglets, and a set of rubble (this last part not 3D printed but molded with putty later). This will permit different body postures.
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Post by: Rolt
Update:
Status Report [7]
Hi everyone, time for the weekly report!
We are having some trouble with the Backerkit configuration, that is why we have not opened it yet! Everything was ok when we sent it for revision, but their support team gave us some directions they thought might improve the manager. After a few days of tweaking and communication, it seems we reached a common point, so we thought this time everything will be ok. This happened because the large number of options we gave, but no less to say that we do not regret it!As we said last week, before the opening we will release a guide on "how to", but no worries here, is pretty easy.
On the system, as all the modifications on the rules are finally set, we are now with the composition of the beta v0.2 manual. Majority of the units and weapons have been revised, to adjust them to the new version. When this is done, we will start adding gameplay examples to ease comprehension of the system and tactics.
We have received the first 3D prints tests and the results are pretty good. We have to do some adjustments in some 3D models, to improve details definition. With that little modifications, we are going to reach a perfect result in the final metal copies.
Everything is on schedule and going very good!
Contractor - Raiders of Saanar
Phantom - The Council
Minion - Raiders of Saanar
Weapons - Sovereign Empire
Box - Upgrade pledge
Enjoy.
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Post by: Ald
Hi all!
Here we have the concept art of the Grot for Raiders of Saanar, by Alexandr Pascenko.
Enjoy!
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Post by: Ald
If you missed the Kickstarter project for Last Saga, you can join now!
The discounts shown during the Kickstarter still apply, so you have the opportunity of getting some of the "Last Saga" miniatures at reduced price!
Just click on the next link:
https://last-saga.backerkit.com/preorders
Remember that if you have any doubts, you can ask us via social media or at:
pledge_lastsaga@rocketgames.co.uk
For more information, please check our web!
http://last-saga.rocketgames.co.uk/
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Post by: Ald
Hi all!
More progress for Last Saga.
Raiders of Saanar - Dog of Wars:
Uruhvel ( WIP) - Undaunted, vanguard, and Vespidae:
And Uruhvel weapons concepts:
Enjoy !!
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Post by: RiTides
The Dog of War digital sculpt looks quite cool!
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Post by: Ald
Thanks! =D
Big update for Last Saga!
Status Reporr [10] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/948696
The beta v0.2 of the manual is here! It has a few improvements over the previous version. While the basic mechanics remain unchanged, some tweaking was needed, for example in the Damage Checks or in the Drift rolls for AoE based weapons. Also, the units and weapons received some balancing modifications.
- Last Saga manual V0.2:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmcnah0xbm8b0ok/LastSaga_EN_v0.2.pdf
- P&P ( Recruitment Cards, Markers, Counters, and "Area of Effect" templates)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gtcdqvc1xgg53w6/Last%20Saga%20P%26P_V0.2.pdf
The web page is taking form step by step! There are present all the current unlocked units with their backgrounds, the download links, etc.
http://last-saga.rocketgames.co.uk
And more progress on models!
Guild Assassin for Raiders of Saanar:
Undaunted for Uruhvel:
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Post by: Ald
Hi all!
More models for Last Saga.
Free Agent - Raiders of Saanar:
Infantries - Guardians of Tanaor
I hope you like!
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Post by: Barzam
While Tanaor didn't interest me at all, the Infantry do look really nice. Can't wait to get my Uruhvel though. Really looking forward to them.
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Post by: Taarnak
Soooo many feet on rocks... I really wish companies would drop that particular cliche.
Other than that these all look pretty damn good. Not sure what I want to pick.
~Eric
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Post by: Vertrucio
Not sure about all the naked women in the naked women space elf faction.
It's just so silly and stupid, and not in a good way. Everything else looks good.
Rules look good too, a nice amount of crunch to offset the small amount of figures.
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Post by: Barzam
That's why they had the option to get them using the Vespidae body.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Wish I got the Uruhvel now that I have seen more of the models. The Bikini armor units turned me off a bit, just seems stale to me. Wasn't a big fan of the Bicyclist spandex shots on some of the Raiders either so I avoided them, but some of the others are just sweet.
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I really hope I chose that weapon option for him. Damn glad I chose Uruhvel.
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Post by: RiTides
The renders in that update look awesome, although it seems like they'd need to be printed already and starting to be cast to have any chance at a November delivery.
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Post by: Gallahad
This is looking better and better. I agree with RiTides that the probability that delivery is late is increasing.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I knew it was going to be late. Just like with every kickstarter with the exception of the first zombicide. Other than that I have yet to see one delivered on time. Not a big deal, I would rather have a company take their time and make a great quality than deliver be hot garbage.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Nice
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Post by: Piston Honda
Cover art. Has a Space Opera movie poster style to it.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Did they pose her like that ironically?
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Post by: Vertrucio
What do you expect from a company that's making naked space elf women with strategically placed symbiote over their naughty bits?
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Post by: Piston Honda
 Vertrucio wrote:
What do you expect from a company that's making naked space elf women with strategically placed symbiote over their naughty bits?
I was hoping they would add some light armor to them, but for whatever reason, more stubborn than a tick on a mule.
Oh well. I glad I still backed, the few games I have players were a blast with just a few rules that irk me a bit. Sort of wish I got the Uruhvel after seeing how the other turned out. The vanguard models turned me. Not a sexist / "I'm offended" issue, a pet peeve and consistency issue.
Can't wait to see the Guardians and Empire in my hand.
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Post by: Vertrucio
Actually, at the very least, someone above said they'd make armored versions of the space pornstars.
Now, I do like some skin, but I always find fighting women in sexy outfits ridiculous.
The rest of the sculpts are great though.
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Post by: Piston Honda
update
here are some masters
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Post by: Piston Honda
This guy reminds me of Jamie Lannister (that way I imagined him in the books, anyway).
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Post by: Gallahad
Well, I'm not sure how much longer I can resist. The price point is a bit higher than I prefer, but man do those look nice.
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Post by: Piston Honda
I believe you can still back on the backer kit.
https://last-saga.backerkit.com/preorders
Tempted to throw a few more bones in for some of the Uruhvel. The Bikini Aliens were a turnoff in the concept stage, but some of the other units... holy crap!
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Post by: Barzam
Those do look nice. I can't decide if they'll look better in PanO blues, or Cerberus style black, white, and yellow.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Glad I got this model, coming along nicely.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
Indeed it does!
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Post by: Piston Honda
Finally get to see casts of the metals
Can't wait to see how the Dragon turns out, that was one of the key draws for me.
Has anyone got a chance to play test the game a bit more?
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Post by: Barzam
Figs are looking really good. Dragon still looks a bit stiff, but I think it'll look great with my other TAGs. Kind of wishing I'd thrown in for that winged figure on the bottom right.
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Post by: Piston Honda
my only complaints of the minis so far are
the Dragon having a foot on top of a stone, just don't like it. His legs do look a tad bit stiff from certain views, I'll wait untill I see it in person before I lose my gak.
the Uruhvel vanguard models. While they are a great sculpts, the lack of armor sucks. 80 percent of their body is exposed. I can see doing that as a separate alternate model for display/collector purposes but part of a war game would like to see more armor.
I'm not saying avoid sexy, don't mind sexy but lack of armor when getting shot at kind of sucks.
Other than that the sculpts have been pretty damn good.
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Post by: Bioptic
Unless I'm mistaken, the disassembled Dragon in that last picture above would have both feet very much on the ground!
I liked how they allowed people to swap out Vanguards for Vespidae in the Kickstarter, and I think I prefer their design anyway.
No idea what that means for stats though - may have completely unbalanced the force!
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Post by: Lenwean
Hello everyone!
We finally have the first metal castings for Last Saga miniatures! You can check them in our last update:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/posts/1085589
The pre-order time of the post campaign is coming to its end! Thursday 18th will be the last day when the miniatures addons will be available, as we need to start with the production.
Link to the Backerkit: https://last-saga.backerkit.com/
Hope you like!
Bioptic wrote: No idea what that means for stats though - may have completely unbalanced the force!
Ingame they should work as Vanguards, the swap is purely cosmetic! Instead of the original bodies for the Vanguards, who desire it will receive the Vespidae bodies instead (without wings).
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Post by: Piston Honda
This looks like what's her face from Mass effect
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Post by: ChooseAnotherName
Just discovered I can't delete my account in DakkaDakka, so will be erasing (as much as I can) all traces of my presence here.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Thread necromancy!
I forgot all about this KS project I backed.
Apparently Zenit miniatures is picking up where Rocket Games have had so much unfortunate dealings and just bowed out.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/last-saga/zenit-miniatures-rescue-saga/
Is Zenit a good company? I know of them but don't know much about them.
I think I chipped in 150 to 200 bucks on this. Perhaps I can finally get something out of this.
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Post by: bocatt
Probably don't have room in my life for yet-another sci-fi miniatures game (although I tend to have a habit of *making* room ) but the news of a peaceful "acquisition" and cooperation to deliver on the Kickstarter and then continue to produce the range bodes well for the industry. This and the Polyversal campaign to use multiple miniatures company's miniatures in one game are good directions for the hobby as a whole.
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Post by: Alpharius
Did backers of the original campaign not receive their rewards?
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Post by: Siygess
Nope. They had all kinds of problems getting the casting done and the last straw was, I think, having the caster (2nd caster? 3rd? I don't recall now) produce too many of a few of the minis, none of the rest, keeping the money and going radio silent. This deal with Zenit will help ensure the backers get their pledges and hopefully salvage a future for the game.
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Post by: Barzam
Well, people who had stuff in that botched run did receive stuff. I had two figures in that batch. The casters may have royally screwed them, but the quality of those pieces they actually bothered to produce were surprisingly good. I'm curious if when Zenit gets around to production, if those of us who did receive some items will receive duplicates or not. With luck though, they'll hopefully begin production on those figures soon.
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Post by: Piston Honda
long story short
1st caster was a failure. Not sure how much money was lost but they quickly went onto a second caster in Germany, IIRC.
The largest chunk of funding went to this caster.
Several emails were exchanged regarding delays. He was sick, back logged, I think sick again.
Claimed he sent a package to Rocket Games, rocket games never got that package.
On this German based wargame news site http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=163066&cpage=1#comment-457578
there is an image of some complete miniatures. Some which were thought to have never been produced and definitely have never been sent. Question is, where did they go? Will Zenit be able to acquire the spin cast molds to make transition quicker?
I've never had an opportunity to view any of the models, but in terms of quality and posing, they seem to be in the ball park of Infinity. Anyone know the scale of them? They look 32/35ish?
Automatically Appended Next Post:  bocatt wrote:Probably don't have room in my life for yet-another sci-fi miniatures game (although I tend to have a habit of *making* room ) but the news of a peaceful "acquisition" and cooperation to deliver on the Kickstarter and then continue to produce the range bodes well for the industry. This and the Polyversal campaign to use multiple miniatures company's miniatures in one game are good directions for the hobby as a whole.
I've said this a lot about everything.
Too many unplayed video games.
Too many board games (several book shelves)
Too many scifi and/or fantasy games.
To many historical minis games. 10mm and 15mm? Well I need to add 28mm to round it out. It's only logical.
Some how I always manage to get another. :p
But I do feel good about getting rid old/unused minis to supplement my habits.
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Post by: Barzam
I can't really post links on my phone, but check my Sci-fi gallery. I have a pic of my Council Tactical Officer next to some old and new Infinity Panoceania figures. He at least is somewhat on the large side. Probably about 32mm rather than 28mm. He seems better scaled to Dreamforge than Infinity, but I think he could still easily mix in with Infinity.
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
I guess a resurrection for those that still care, an update that says things will finally be send to those that backed it.
This is it! We’re finally getting ready to ship!
We will lock down shipping addresses in 7 days. That means you have a week to update your shipping address!
We are sending an email to all backers who has replied surveys and payed shipping so you can check if your address is correct.
If your address is OK, you do not need to worry, no action is needed.
Else, please reply to the email with the updated address.
We’re currently aiming to ship rewards on November/December. If you need, you can reach us through : ale@zenitminiatures.es
I wonder how many still care and how they will compare with the present level of 3D sculpting and casting.
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Post by: Barzam
Well, I had a pony in this race and I still care, for what it's worth. AS I recall, these were all 3D sculpts as well. The quality was pretty good, for what actually got produced. Zenit is supposed to have a decent track record, so quality should hopefully still be maintained. If they can maintain thequality and actually get these to retail, I would be happy to buy more.
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Post by: greywulf
Some were originally being sculpted traditionally, but the majority 3D. See a couple of clay figures on the main page. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318212665/last-saga/description
At some point after the funding of the campaign it looks like they ditched the traditional and went full 3D, which didnt bother me much.
Many of the figures looked like they were being done by one of the sculptors who works either for or with Corvus Belli on Infinity.
http://javi-ure.deviantart.com/gallery/
That's the main reason why i bought in, the aesthetic rather than the game. I'm still stoked to get these figures. Just wish I could add more! I think I'll send an email and ask. The worst they can say is "No".
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Post by: Piston Honda
Ha! I forgot all about this kickstarter.
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Post by: Fraggle
Sorry to raise from the dead, but just to say I received my pledge today. (Three starters and various add ons).
Casting generally seems good, one or two iffy lines including one across the face. Some poses seem a little flat, but I'm liking the aesthetic.
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Post by: Barzam
Hey, that's great news! Last I saw, Zenit had been flooded, which set back production and distribution. Glad they got things back on track. Did they send out a shipping notice at all?
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Post by: Fraggle
They sent me a request for shipping costs, I paid and hadn't heard anything approx 1 month later so emailed. No response but a parcel arrived a few days later.
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