But the thing is, they've got the Ascension book coming out which allows you to play as Inquisitors, Interregators and all the people who stood alongside Eisenhorn (for example) in the novels.

That book addresses those issues... we don't need a whole re-vamp of the game.

That said I'm not convinced that either are a 'board game' ala Warhammer Quest.

Wait a minute - 5.5 KG.

Boxed games don't weigh that much.

I worked for two weeks in the GW Mail Order room and no way does a boxed game weigh 5.5 KG.

However - Plastic Thunderhawk might do.

Cardboard tiles would be quite heavy though right ?

Alpharius wrote:Ah, 20 pages in...

At least there hasn't been a mention of...

Pan Fo?

chaplaingrabthar wrote:I would much rather see an update or re-release of Warhammer Quest, but that'll never happen.

Aye it has, it's called WFRPG 3rd edition.


Sorry, had to. (But I am crying on the inside.)

radiohazard wrote:Wait a minute - 5.5 KG.

12 pounds for the American readers..

That sounds like a lot... Didn't they brag about Warhammer quest weighing a lot when it first came out
I want to say it was 10 pound box; then again I just woke up

reds8n wrote: I've noticed, as I'm sure you have too-- unless I'm confusing you with other posters on here-- that the PCs in RT seem much more powerful and competent than even fairly experienced PCs in DH.

RT characters are supposed to be more powerful than DH ones, always have been. The system has always been intended to be a three tier thing with people starting off in RT and as they get more powerful (using Ascension), switch over to RT and then onto the third, as yet unwritten, third level which introduces Marines and really high level stuff.

Maybe thats what they intended when they started out but I've since heard that while the games are similar they aren't immediately cross compatible either.

On this mystery box thing, I really don't want it to be cool. I don't want it to be a success. If it is GW will just have the crazy notion of doing this with every major release, and become even more tight lipped. Fuel to their fires on keeping quiet.

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reds8n wrote: I've noticed, as I'm sure you have too-- unless I'm confusing you with other posters on here-- that the PCs in RT seem much more powerful and competent than even fairly experienced PCs in DH.

RT characters are supposed to be more powerful than DH ones, always have been. The system has always been intended to be a three tier thing with people starting off in RT and as they get more powerful (using Ascension), switch over to RT and then onto the third, as yet unwritten, third level which introduces Marines and really high level stuff.

I really, rally hope we still get to see that book.

Deathwatch info?

Deathwatch marines?

Meg-Xenos threats?

Yes, please!

I just ordered a Thawk and a bunch of Vultures...
with two AI books...

Weight :6.5 Kilos....

So if it weighs 5.5 kilos it must be packed since plastic kits weigh a ton less than resin

If it is a Thawk I think I may go on a rampage....

But why would "Space Hulk" ( a very popular game back in the day) be a limited run? Why would any company limit sales of something that just about Every single 40K fan would buy? Hell if they are Ubar versions with molded floorplates and decent mini's, lots of players would buy multiple copys, both for playing SpaceHulk and added terrain and mini's to their armys(if you are building Deathwing or Nids, you know what I mean).
Fine you want to churn up excitment about the project. But dont you think you will anger more of your customer base than please it, if you limited the sales and a large number of people that want it cant get it. I think that along with some of their other decisions lately might hurt the company in the long run.
Its one thing to make a limited run of a single mini(like the Black Library special editions), not everyone would want it.
So mabye if it is SpaceHulk, these come with some limited mini or something extra and then the basic game will come out later.
Just to conjecter some more.. What does "Everything you have been told is a Lie!" have to do with "SpaceHulk"? If this tag line actually has anything to do with the Mystery box, I dont see how they fit together(if it is indeed SH). To me it seems more of an Inqisition tag line, or mabye a Dark Angel or Chaos.
Anyway.. I guess we will all find out in a day or two.

I'm not sure if this is the right place on the forum, if not I apologise!

T'other day whilst mooching around in my local GW my Missus had the forethough to grab my shoulder and point at the PC Monitor. Upon it was an open copy of Photoshop with a poster stating "Congratulations, you guessed correctly; the mystery box is "Space Hulk"". Wording may have been different, but I noticed Space Hulk and Mystery Box and as I gasped with the knowledge the Emperor saw fit to grant me the GW employee looked around and angrily closed the program.

Unfortunately I've not had time to post this since that day, but for any who are desperate for confirmation I reckon that's the best we'll get before the announcement (oh ye of little patience, haha!).

Cheers,
Rogue Trooper

This was posted over on the BoLS Lounge.

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reds8n wrote: I've noticed, as I'm sure you have too-- unless I'm confusing you with other posters on here-- that the PCs in RT seem much more powerful and competent than even fairly experienced PCs in DH.

RT characters are supposed to be more powerful than DH ones, always have been. The system has always been intended to be a three tier thing with people starting off in RT and as they get more powerful (using Ascension), switch over to RT and then onto the third, as yet unwritten, third level which introduces Marines and really high level stuff.

Except that's not true and never has been.

It was never intended to be a tiered system, and rules compatabilitya side there is no direct rule or idea to let you transport your character from one setting to another.

And there is no reason why an ex guardsman who happens to be in the retinue of a RT is or has to be more powerful than one who hangs with an Inquisitor either.

oni wrote:

I'm not sure if this is the right place on the forum, if not I apologise!

T'other day whilst mooching around in my local GW my Missus had the forethough to grab my shoulder and point at the PC Monitor. Upon it was an open copy of Photoshop with a poster stating "Congratulations, you guessed correctly; the mystery box is "Space Hulk"". Wording may have been different, but I noticed Space Hulk and Mystery Box and as I gasped with the knowledge the Emperor saw fit to grant me the GW employee looked around and angrily closed the program.

Unfortunately I've not had time to post this since that day, but for any who are desperate for confirmation I reckon that's the best we'll get before the announcement (oh ye of little patience, haha!).

Cheers,
Rogue Trooper

This was posted over on the BoLS Lounge.

yeah,
I call BS... A Store computer would not be loaded with photoshop?
There is no need for a store to have PS, all propaganda will come preprinted from HQ and most corporate PC's are locked down so that employees can't load unlicensed software that could put the company in disrepute, Also dodgy software could crash the computer costing the company money...

I still think it's SpaceHulk...

Panic...

Nicorex wrote:But why would "Space Hulk" ( a very popular game back in the day) be a limited run?

Last time Space Hulk was on shelves, it was a pretty limited run. I don't remember the exact stretch of time, but it was relatively short.

That said, I hope it's not Space Hulk. I have fond memories of the game but feel like I've been there and done that already. They can pretty it up all they want but lumbering around spaceship corridors, hunting aliens only has so much lasting appeal... Especially when we've already done it.

I wish they'd do something new... Or better yet, stop dicking around with side projects and finish the 5th ed codices!

Who says the computer had Photoshop loaded? Who says what he saw was actually photoshop. He said he didn't see it for very long.

The stuff I've seen on GW computer screens is usually their own software, and standard E-mail. Nothing to say that the picture couldn't've been opened in any of them.

Well im not gonna read through this many pages to find out what has been speculated on but i will take a stab at it.

I am in agreement with its a Plastic Thunderhawk. The bastions, barricades, blastscape and such all were first revealed in the 5th ED. BRB. The only thing not in there was the Ironclad oh and the lanspeeder storm. What they do have in there is a picture of a thunderhawk so i am thinking that most everything being released was already being made. That was probably a prototype. To be honest Space Marines havent gotten their Superheavy yet. IG, ORKs have but space marines need one for Apoc.

So i vote Thunderhawk. And the weight sounds about right.

Some random thoughts.......

Lets say it's Space Hulk and it's a board game with everything you need in it to play straight out of the box...

Will the minis be slot together ones or will there be glue also be in the box?
How about paint?
Or will this be an opportunity to push the GW hobby ala "You can play Space Hulk straight away with the minatures provided however GW stocks a vast selection of paints and hobby materials allowing you to customise your models............"

Will this be marketed as a mainstream boardgame for kids or as a prodeuct for those already into the hobby?

yeah,
HBMC the dude quoted said it was in a photoshop window, but i get what your saying.

I'll be happy with SpaceHulk.
But I'd prefer it to be a rerelease/reimagining of Necromunda, with the advent of COD buildings a new NecroMunda could be very good!

Panic...

I know he said it was Photoshop, but he only saw it for a second. It could have been anything. It could have been an attachment in an E-mail that opened in paint for all we know.

Point is I don't think that the legitimacy of this story hangs on the notion that he saw it on a program that shouldn't've been there.

Something that was mentioned at the bottom of the last page, this 'Blue Harvest' re Family Guy clue.
What if its a p*** take version of 40k? That I would love to get hold of!!!
Never been done before, dropping a bomb, would explain the limited run and would appeal to most players no matter what army you collect therefore making it a good seller...
I'm going to be down if it isn't that now as it really appeals to me!
Mick

Yeah I don't rate GW as that clever.

aka_mythos wrote:Maybe thats what they intended when they started out but I've since heard that while the games are similar they aren't immediately cross compatible either.

According to the interview the D6G guys did with the FFG guys, it sounds like there's potential for RT to have some interesting narrative frameworks as the PCs are kind of the 'representatives' of the larger ship's crew.

The way it sounded to me, a PC in the Rogue Trader profession is a Rogue Trader, and the primary member of his family expected to gt off his noble butt and actually do something to pay for everyone else's decadent lifestyle. The AdMech is the guy sent from the ship's complement to liaise with the command crew and represent the acolytes working at countless places on the kilometer-long ship the party is in charge of. The warrior-types are experts drawn from the ship's guards to act as bodyguards, master strategists, pilots, etc.

If the RT dies, well, maybe Uncle Ed or Little Timmy steps up to the plate. The AdMech guy takes a bolt pistol to the head, another may be sent up. if a profession is unfilled, things could get interesting. No warrior-types is one thing, but if there's no RT maybe the PCs ahve to deal with being the representatives of an 'absentee owner'... No AdMech might signal that the ship has somehow offended that group, and getting repairs and upgrades may be difficult.

A lot of this is how I'd run it as described by the FFG whose name I can't remember... it also provides a lot of narrative room to explain changes in the 'cast' as characters get killed or move on.


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Mick A wrote:Something that was mentioned at the bottom of the last page, this 'Blue Harvest' re Family Guy clue.
What if its a p*** take version of 40k? That I would love to get hold of!!!
Never been done before, dropping a bomb, would explain the limited run and would appeal to most players no matter what army you collect therefore making it a good seller...
I'm going to be down if it isn't that now as it really appeals to me!
Mick

Do you mean like a parody or annotated version? Like they took the rules and scribbled "I'm not sure why we did this" on them?

I actually suggested up-thread that the mythological '40k Advanced' ruleset would theoretically fit the specifications... New rules for an existing game that don't supersede current rules would fit the specs.

Of course, I'm doubtful of quality if developed in secret and if it would be maintained for long or if it would fall by the wayside.

Maybe it is a device that activates all your GW mini's and they come out at night and destroy all other companies mini's in your collection and piss on your board games. Yeah, that's it - not unlikely at all. GW always said they were going to take over the world.


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Maybe it is a copy of an animated film they have been secretly working on for ages. Big heroic marines, good but do evil deeds inquisitors, frightened but resolute in the face of the enemy guardsmen, girly eldar whining about how they ruled the universe but lost it all and are on an EMO kick. Chaos might be in it, very generic bad guys & the audience uses the spike to tell the difference between them and the good blue marines. No DE though.

Balance wrote:
According to the interview the D6G guys did with the FFG guys, it sounds like there's potential for RT to have some interesting narrative frameworks as the PCs are kind of the 'representatives' of the larger ship's crew.

The way it sounded to me, a PC in the Rogue Trader profession is a Rogue Trader, and the primary member of his family expected to gt off his noble butt and actually do something to pay for everyone else's decadent lifestyle. The AdMech is the guy sent from the ship's complement to liaise with the command crew and represent the acolytes working at countless places on the kilometer-long ship the party is in charge of. The warrior-types are experts drawn from the ship's guards to act as bodyguards, master strategists, pilots, etc.

If the RT dies, well, maybe Uncle Ed or Little Timmy steps up to the plate. The AdMech guy takes a bolt pistol to the head, another may be sent up. if a profession is unfilled, things could get interesting. No warrior-types is one thing, but if there's no RT maybe the PCs ahve to deal with being the representatives of an 'absentee owner'... No AdMech might signal that the ship has somehow offended that group, and getting repairs and upgrades may be difficult.

A lot of this is how I'd run it as described by the FFG whose name I can't remember... it also provides a lot of narrative room to explain changes in the 'cast' as characters get killed or move on.

So It's kinda like the bridge of startrek??
RT = StarTrek 40K

Panic...

guys really? Come on, the "Mystery box" has to be Epic. Just look at how ForgeWorld stopped doing them

Panic wrote:
I call BS... A Store computer would not be loaded with photoshop?
There is no need for a store to have PS, all propaganda will come preprinted from HQ and most corporate PC's are locked down so that employees can't load unlicensed software that could put the company in disrepute, Also dodgy software could crash the computer costing the company money...

I still think it's SpaceHulk...

Panic...

QFT...

GW stores do not have Photoshop on their pc's and GW do make all their own promotional material at Lenton.

Secondly...

For this box set to actually weigh in at 5.5 KG or 12 Lbs to us imperialists, there has to be a rulebook at least the size of the 40k rulebook in hard back, and the amount of models in the box on the scale of WHQ. That box weighed in at a fair amount and even then it wasn't 5.5 KG.

If this is Space Hulk, i'll be incredibly surprised.

I'm still leery about the "limited edition" status of the Mystery Box. If it's all metal minis, then I could see that as a possibility, but with plastic you have to have very large runs to make the cost of the molds back.

I'll bet the contents will be available at a later date too if they're plastic.

fire4effekt wrote:guys really? Come on, the "Mystery box" has to be Epic. Just look at how ForgeWorld stopped doing them

except forgeworld still sell epic models

Is it true that this year is Space Hulk's 20th anniversary?

Iorek wrote:I'm still leery about the "limited edition" status of the Mystery Box.

"Limited Edition" can mean anything.

Ooohh... There's a numbered piece of paper saying "First edition"...

But maybe these are "Limited Edition" Leman Russ Battle Tanks and "Limited Edition" Chimeras?
- separate wheels
- separate tracks
- special, "limited edition" Imperial Guard Tank Accessory Sprue!
With a sticker!!!

Panic wrote:
So It's kinda like the bridge of startrek??
RT = StarTrek 40K

Only at a very superficial level. One thing they said int he interview is that the characters in RT start out might 'bigger' than those in DH. A starter charcater isn't some guy an Inquisitor thought might have talent, but more an accomplished person who has to take on a real challenge.

Unlike ST, Rogue Traders seem to have a lot of independence. OK, most captains in ST fiction play things fast and loose, but they're theoretically part of a military hierarchy. A RT, I'd assume, might have some investors to satisfy, but it's more like Firefly, if Serenity had a crew numbering in the thousands... the RT 9and his 'trusted band' (I.E. the other PCs) can make decisions about how to use their ship, and there's some neat-sounding rules to abstract the economics (so the PCs are worrying about the fun stuff and not pinching pennies) and there's a difference between a RT vessel equipped for combat or trade...

The box is a lie.
The box is a lie.
The box is a lie.
The box is a lie.

Here, have some cake…

Archonate wrote:...I wish they'd do something new... Or better yet, stop dicking around with side projects and finish the 5th ed codices!

What if that was what was in the box. Every codex that hasn't been updated to 5th edition, gets a brand new codex.

Maybe they've just been testing the waters with these 'releases' that weren't tied to a new book. Like the orks in january. That might make my head asplode if it happens. unfortunately, it is in the same odds category as me winning the lottery.

The idea of an Epic relaunch is one that intrigues me, although I don't recall it doing well.

If it's a Necromunda relaunch I will celebrate in the streets.

I think the box is filled with love and the laughter of children.

windswept313 wrote:Well im not gonna read through this many pages to find out what has been speculated on but i will take a stab at it.

I am in agreement with its a Plastic Thunderhawk. The bastions, barricades, blastscape and such all were first revealed in the 5th ED. BRB. The only thing not in there was the Ironclad oh and the lanspeeder storm. What they do have in there is a picture of a thunderhawk so i am thinking that most everything being released was already being made. That was probably a prototype. To be honest Space Marines havent gotten their Superheavy yet. IG, ORKs have but space marines need one for Apoc.

So i vote Thunderhawk. And the weight sounds about right.

You make a very valid point. Though I'm disinclined to think that it is the Thunderhawk if "limited release" actually means limited.

should it be a thunderhawk, the limited release could mean that the one in the mystery box has extra upgrades, that the normal one won't. Also it could not be a limited release, just that at the moment they have no plans to mass produce it

Shep wrote:

Archonate wrote:...I wish they'd do something new... Or better yet, stop dicking around with side projects and finish the 5th ed codices!

What if that was what was in the box. Every codex that hasn't been updated to 5th edition, gets a brand new codex.

Maybe they've just been testing the waters with these 'releases' that weren't tied to a new book. Like the orks in january. That might make my head asplode if it happens. unfortunately, it is in the same odds category as me winning the lottery.

See that would be the kinda release that would blow me out of the water. GW isn't particularly renowned for such amazing things. Their releases are all overhyped a year in advance so when it finally hits shelves, everybody is already sick of hearing about it. If GW is capable of fantastic surprises, the box will not contain Space Hulk.

statu wrote:should it be a thunderhawk, the limited release could mean that the one in the mystery box has extra upgrades, that the normal one won't.

"Limited Release" simply means it has a sticker saying "Limited Release"...

So it comes out Sat. the 15th ??

NO, then's the announcement.

Wait, when was GD Deutschland again?

JohnHwangDD wrote:"Limited Release" simply means it has a sticker saying "Limited Release"...

That makes a lot more sense.


And I'll still probably buy one.

I cannot believe this has been kept so secret! At least 30+ people must know about this on the conservative end. Production, manufacturing, warehouse, artists, printing and that isn't even counting the fact they will be producing 1000's of them.

Secrets in companies are notoriously difficult to keep - families etc. All it takes is one posting with a new account that is never used again....

Maybe the secret is there is no secret.

fullheadofhair wrote:Maybe the secret is there is no secret.

That's what I'm betting on

Problem is accounts with one post are mercilessly attacked for lacking a respectable post count.

I think its going to be something really gay, like GW will think its going to be good, but end the end its not... just like the new rules

One of the problems with this release, is that it is certainly guaranteed to be lame.

As Absoluteblue commented at paint night. Don't you think GW would market this thing traditionally if they thought it was cool? If it was something like space hulk, wouldn't it be much easier to move the product and build anticipation by showing pictures of well painted set ups, and have an article written in White Dwarf about how beloved it is.

The logic behind marketing a box with a question mark on it is very similar to selling a pig in a poke In other words, its something that is easier to sell when the person doesn't even know what it is.

Limited edition, is also a great way of spinning the fact that they have a turd on their hands, they want to cut their losses, dump it and never make any more of it. Well, how do you sell a turd. Simple, jut don't tell anyone its a turd.....

and you don't let anyone smell it either.

Mystery box = fail

It's space hulk...

Limited Edition from GW? You mean it is a test run to see if enought gamer buy it inorder for them to justify them making it a availible forever. Hmmmm, lets see if they did this with anything else? Baneblade, limited edition now you can order 100 of them from GW. Stompa, same thing.

Limited edition a marketing trick to get people to buy up the first run and then say, "Because of the demand we are going to do another production run because we like money." You will see, a year after the box comes out you will still be able to order them on the website. Not very limited.

dereksatkinson wrote:It's space hulk...

That'd be a shame if it was. Because that'll mean that whatever Chinese company they farmed the production out to made something so ugly that GW doesn't want to do another run, and doesn't want to take any pictures of it in order to advertise it.

So when is the German GD? Cause all this speculation is doing my head in...

Pipboy101 wrote:Limited Edition from GW? You mean it is a test run to see if enought gamer buy it inorder for them to justify them making it a availible forever. Hmmmm, lets see if they did this with anything else? Baneblade, limited edition now you can order 100 of them from GW. Stompa, same thing.

Limited edition a marketing trick to get people to buy up the first run and then say, "Because of the demand we are going to do another production run because we like money." You will see, a year after the box comes out you will still be able to order them on the website. Not very limited.

I think the old saying of "limited to the number we can sell" springs to mind - especially looking at the DVD market!

Has any accurate (note I am saying accurate!) information been released on how to pre-order the Mystery Box?

Is the procedure for pre-ordering the Mystery Box the same for each GW store or does it vary from outlet to outlet?

Does a gamer need to camp outside GW store before it opens on a certain date to have the opportunity to pre-order the item as would be expected with a new iPhone or a new gaming console?

Does the total cost of the Mystery Box need to be paid for in advance on the pre-order day?

If the contents of the Mystery Box are going to be released at GW Games Day in Germany (this weekend, correct?) then when is the deadline to visit a GW store to pre-order the Mystery Box?

Thanks in advance for the feedback and speculation.

Still no spacehulk news? This got to be the most well kept gw secret ever?

gunner762 wrote:I think its going to be something really gay, like GW will think its going to be good, but end the end its not... just like the new rules

I feel the same way. I want it to be Space Hulk or a redo of Necromunda or something but I think it's a really lame thing that they're gonna put out.

I mean there a ton of things that GW has put out and made it sound like it the best thing ever made and it turns out to be a steaming pile of poopy.

and I wouldn't even want to buy a Thunderhawk. that's just me though.

Panic wrote:

oni wrote:

I'm not sure if this is the right place on the forum, if not I apologise!

T'other day whilst mooching around in my local GW my Missus had the forethough to grab my shoulder and point at the PC Monitor. Upon it was an open copy of Photoshop with a poster stating "Congratulations, you guessed correctly; the mystery box is "Space Hulk"". Wording may have been different, but I noticed Space Hulk and Mystery Box and as I gasped with the knowledge the Emperor saw fit to grant me the GW employee looked around and angrily closed the program.

Unfortunately I've not had time to post this since that day, but for any who are desperate for confirmation I reckon that's the best we'll get before the announcement (oh ye of little patience, haha!).

Cheers,
Rogue Trooper

This was posted over on the BoLS Lounge.

yeah,
I call BS... A Store computer would not be loaded with photoshop?
There is no need for a store to have PS, all propaganda will come preprinted from HQ and most corporate PC's are locked down so that employees can't load unlicensed software that could put the company in disrepute, Also dodgy software could crash the computer costing the company money...

I still think it's SpaceHulk...

Panic...

I was just at a GW store, the manager was hoping I had some info on the Mystery Box. So at least in the US, this is still a mystery.

owenmp wrote:Has any accurate (note I am saying accurate!) information been released on how to pre-order the Mystery Box?

Is the procedure for pre-ordering the Mystery Box the same for each GW store or does it vary from outlet to outlet?

Does a gamer need to camp outside GW store before it opens on a certain date to have the opportunity to pre-order the item as would be expected with a new iPhone or a new gaming console?

Does the total cost of the Mystery Box need to be paid for in advance on the pre-order day?

If the contents of the Mystery Box are going to be released at GW Games Day in Germany (this weekend, correct?) then when is the deadline to visit a GW store to pre-order the Mystery Box?

Thanks in advance for the feedback and speculation.

Dunno mate. However, after a quick chitterchatterchinwag with my local Boys in Blue, I can pretty much confim the price at £50, in so far as that is what they've been told. As to how to Pre-Order, I'd imagine it'll be exactly the same as any other (In Store or Online). Contents, still not a clue. They are either playing a really good game of Tight Mouth Larry, or they genuinely haven't been told.

Me, I'll be outside my local GW, £50 in hand (or not) on Monday 10 a.m. sharp. Just to make sure like.

I would like to honest here. You know as a teen you watched comedy shows you thought were REALLY funny x2. Then you saw the reruns as an adult and the sucked sooo bad you wonder how you ever laughed at them all those years ago. Space Hulk was like that for me. Yes it was fun at the time. I played a couple of games about 12 months ago and it was OKish but not as good as more modern board games. So for me, if it is Space Hulk it will be kind of "meh" and I won't be buying it.

The Amsterdam store has Photoshop, they use it for their own flyers and whatnot. They get nothing from the Uk other than official posters.



Oh man, this is so going to suck.

/

I've been waiting months to NOT buy this. I can't wait! Monday, I get to lord it all over your sell-out a$$e$. I'm thrilled to finally be this close to not purchasing the product. I'm going to spend all day Monday talking online about not buying this release.

The wait is finally going to pay off.

well whatever it is it had better be good xD

This is what happens when Alpharius takes over GW promotions.



Or is it Omegon?



Emperor Protects


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dienekes96 wrote:I've been waiting months to NOT buy this. I can't wait! Monday, I get to lord it all over your sell-out a$$e$. I'm thrilled to finally be this close to not purchasing the product. I'm going to spend all day Monday talking online about not buying this release.

The wait is finally going to pay off.

I think you'll find a lot of people along for that particular ride with you!

(maybe)

dienekes96 wrote:I've been waiting months to NOT buy this. I can't wait! Monday, I get to lord it all over your sell-out a$$e$. I'm thrilled to finally be this close to not purchasing the product. I'm going to spend all day Monday talking online about not buying this release.

The wait is finally going to pay off.

..you still want me to order you two copies yes ?

12 lbs?!

Im calling it: GW fertilizer. Guaranteed to grow whatever you throw in it.

That or a printed copy of Obumbo's HR3200 Healthcare bill.

Either way, same thing.....

TobyDog wrote:I just ordered a Thawk and a bunch of Vultures...
with two AI books...

Weight :6.5 Kilos....

So if it weighs 5.5 kilos it must be packed since plastic kits weigh a ton less than resin

If it is a Thawk I think I may go on a rampage....

I doubt "Thawk." From the word it seems like GW has a day planned around it. If that's true it has to be more than that. If it were a Thawk people would be annoyed at its limited nature, though the price does fit. My thinking was possibly the big Dark Angel chapel, that we saw and was told was in plastic, but once again that has the issue of how do you plan a day around that.

Arn't we kind of missing the obvious here?

It's not a thunderhawk.
It's not a Dark Angels Chapel.
It's not the 'Indomitable Fortress.'

The one single consistant thing they've said is.

It's a Game.

So, unless you're playing 'spin the bolter' it is exceedingly unlikely that it's a Thunderhawk.

Now, I said this early, and it is only the word of a random staffmember, however.

What he said was, that it'll be revealed on the 17th in the store (presumably cause not everyone is on the interweb to know about GD: Germany), and the staff will have a few copies of the game for their use that they can give demo games etc to play on the day.

He didn't give any indication/suggestion whatsoever that the game would actually be for sale that day.

As for limited editioney stuff, that isn't exactly unprecadented - remember Bomberz over da sulphur river.

Way to stay on focus sir.



Emperor Protects

And besides, the Thunderhawk would be more than €90,-- I mean feth, a Baneblade is €95,--

Something GW's never done before... and its heavy... and limited.

I know what it is! A working version of Warhammer 40k.

I just left GW and A gut told me its not space hulk...He said you can buy it online or order it at the store , he also said they are not telling them anything...
He did show me the new blastscape box , looks great...

swbruni wrote: I just left GW and A gut told me its not space hulk...He said you can buy it online or order it at the store , he also said they are not telling them anything...
He did show me the new blastscape box , looks great...

You've just been hoodwinked. Everything you have just been told is a lie.

"Spin the Bolter"?

A Russian-Roulette based game with a Bolt Pistol would be hilarious.

Yeah, not only would you blow your own head off but the reactive mini-nuke bolt would take the upper body off the guys to either side of you

BrookM wrote:And besides, the Thunderhawk would be more than €90,-- I mean feth, a Baneblade is €95,--

it would probably go for around 250 US if it was indeed a plastic T-hawk

The best part would be the forums filled with people complaining about how they either ran out of bolts before it was their turn, or how the cost of the ammunition was an evil GW plot to rob us all of our hard-earned money.

I can see the YMDC forum now: "mai bp cuzed a glansing hitt n didnt kill my opp, do ai win lol???!!!??"

Dawn of War II expansion with limited edition minis, the missions take place on a "Space Hulk"? The best of both worlds, crossobver....any takers?

gijoe style space marines, with little guns that don't quite fit in their hands, and some sort of cards that sorta make it a game...yep, thats totally it

You can tell that Dakka has gone to the gak when I'm the one looking forward to this and other people are preaching the doom and gloom.

dienekes96 wrote:I've been waiting months to NOT buy this. I can't wait! Monday, I get to lord it all over your sell-out a$$e$. I'm thrilled to finally be this close to not purchasing the product. I'm going to spend all day Monday talking online about not buying this release.

All snarkiness aside, what if it turns out to be something you like?

So, the sun is up in Germany now, right?

Sure, but the GD is on Sunday the 16th unless I am mistaken. Today is Saturday

We're even getting the days wrong now!

When will the mystery end?!?!?!?

Oh yeah, tomorrow.

OOohh so tomorrow we get to find out what we all may or may not spend money on. All we know is that its a thing and it maybe a game?

It is definitely a 'thing' and I think we're pretty sure it is a "game" of the "stand alone" variety...

Other than that?

Its a Time War table top game, where you can play as the Daleks or the Time Lords.

Spacemanvic wrote:12 lbs?!

Im calling it: GW fertilizer. Guaranteed to grow whatever you throw in it.

That or a printed copy of Obumbo's HR3200 Healthcare bill.

Either way, same thing.....

Wait GW is releasing a box of bricks they found behind their HQ? I see how using "mystery box" will help sales. Spess Brix

H.B.M.C. wrote:You can tell that Dakka has gone to the gak when I'm the one looking forward to this and other people are preaching the doom and gloom.

dienekes96 wrote:I've been waiting months to NOT buy this. I can't wait! Monday, I get to lord it all over your sell-out a$$e$. I'm thrilled to finally be this close to not purchasing the product. I'm going to spend all day Monday talking online about not buying this release.

All snarkiness aside, what if it turns out to be something you like?

I was being facetious. I'm sick of this childish PR practice (among their others - less than two months from the SW, and we had to find the cover art on previews after two wastelands of Games Days), but I am excited for the product. If it is Space Hulk, I'll absolutely be purchasing it. If it is something else I want, I'll absolutely purchase it. I was just ironically commenting on people who made "decisions" based on specious rumors, and how excited people get when they tell people how unexcited they are.

C'mon guys...it is me.

dienekes96 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You can tell that Dakka has gone to the gak when I'm the one looking forward to this and other people are preaching the doom and gloom.

dienekes96 wrote:I've been waiting months to NOT buy this. I can't wait! Monday, I get to lord it all over your sell-out a$$e$. I'm thrilled to finally be this close to not purchasing the product. I'm going to spend all day Monday talking online about not buying this release.

All snarkiness aside, what if it turns out to be something you like?

I was being facetious. I'm sick of this childish PR practice (among their others - less than two months from the SW, and we had to find the cover art on previews after two wastelands of Games Days), but I am excited for the product. If it is Space Hulk, I'll absolutely be purchasing it. If it is something else I want, I'll absolutely purchase it. I was just ironically commenting on people who made "decisions" based on specious rumors, and how excited people get when they tell people how unexcited they are.

C'mon guys...it is me.

I'm here to say that I support Dienekes96, and that I approve his message.

I have to say GW's approach to tell us what is coming out is somewhat childish. I can't see what the problem is with having a "what's going up this year" release. No need to give date's, just an idea of what's coming out, people will still get excited so they lose nothing in this approach.

I agree. I find it quite odd that as a company they wouldn't want people to be talking positively about what is about to be released rather than speculation about what could amount to nothing spectacular at all

I guarantee one thing, with the interest this has caused every where, it won't be the last time they do it! Even FFG are doing it now...
Mick

ooo just popped on here to see what was being said about this mystery box, surprised at all the negativity. Anyway, insights from GW staff today:

It's an 'alien' like in the movies, well, technically not. GW will be releasing one alien for each GW on the 16th. On the 17th the first set of mystery boxes will be realeased being the first part of a hand scanner - the game? To avoid the aliens and stay alive.

Staff were also brandishing about the rumour of the fish men.

However, i do know what they know after speaking to the manager (we go back a little way and so he let me know the facts he has so far and his suspicion (which matches mine too), some is confirmination of things said before, sorry for any repetition
it's a stand alone game, however it is compatible with current ranges and will be supported
it will sell equally as well as 40K - managers comment - 'the only thing that will sell as well as 40K is more 40K!'
box contains 3d scenary
suspected size is about that of the fortified mannor - SUSPECTED not fact (yet)
stores have been given a clue - new surround for pc point - from design it's either necromunda or space hulk, most likly space hulk.
the manager said he was 95% sure it would be space hulk, although he wouldn't mind necromunda either. Chances of it being anything else seemed a positive NO from him.
they have been told it's limited edition, however anyone who preorders is garanteed a copy - sounds very limited GW!!!!!

I'll be ordering one 9am monday - first job when i get to work.

So, after all this, it is Space Hulk, just like most people assumed it would be?

I'm guessing the 'limited edition' part will be the "3d Terrain" and possibly some metal miniatures?

Like GW couldn't have just said it IS Space Hulk, and to celebrate the 20 year anniversary and this new version, we'll be offering a limited edition box set (with all of the above extras) and then after that, you'll be able to get the 'regular' edition?

This is kinda lame.

Everyone wanted Space Hulk to begin with!

"Everything you've been told is a lie" indeed!

*****************

Also, I HOPE this will also be available via the Web for pre-order too.

As far as I can tell, there is NO GW store anywhere near me...

they have been told it's limited edition, however anyone who preorders is garanteed a copy - sounds very limited GW!!!!!

So long as you don't pre-order that, and pre-order any item that happens to be released a couple weeks after.

"Everything you've been told is a lie" indeed!

Yeah, pretty unimpressed. If they hadn't of tried to pretend it's a big secret I probably would've even bought a box.

Yes it will be available online to pre-order, however staff seemed very keen for people to order in store - guessing there's commission or something in it for them. They seem keen on that sort of thing quite a bit with big realeases recently.

"Everything you've been told is a lie" is nothing to do with this release. It's got everything to do with encouraging people to register on the GW website, and ties in with the website draw.

I thought the point about the t-shirts was that only their site had the truth and sites like this know nothing, hence signing up on their one. Therefore the t-shirts have a lot to do with this in a way because if it is Space Hulk the meaning on the t-shirts is reversed onto them...
Mick

I'm not sure the t's are anything to do with it myself. Staff i know have made no indication to it. They just think it's cr~~ marketing. They try hard to sell the hobby as being a good thing with 'I'm lying to you' printed right across their chest for the customer to read. Good thinking there GW!

Edit - after reading through some earlier comments on this, with regards to who knows etc. - apparently this new thing has been developed by new people so even current developers were kept in the dark. Not sure if i believe this but could explain how only 4 people supposedly know what it is for sure, that is 4 poeple within GW itself. Apparently art and everything was outsourced..... make what you want of that.

yeah,
I wonder what 3d terrain could mean? It's pretty open?

Plastic walls everything like COD - Awesome
Card stock like the dragons tower in talisman - not so Awesome
Plastic Doors/Bulkheads like WHQ - cool.
3D plastic extras like Terminals/CATs/fueltanks/ etc would also be cool.

I was playing a amazing computer version of spacehulk I found last night, It's by teardown
It's Fan made and GW liked it but said that it can only be published via THQ who arn't interested, so it's stuck in limbo...

I normally hate piracy but in this case THQ are idiots this is a product they could sell! but wont?

Teardown are currently removing the terminators and genestealers from the game and calling it alien attack?
but you can get a copy of the terminator version here -> SPaceHulk

Panic...

Hey guys, just found some more pics of the squats/demiurgs at The Bolter And Chainsword forums:

Source: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?s=25c10a4ea00b962cd64559aca446de9b&showtopic=172686&st=225

http://img208.imageshack.us/i/56025913.jpg/

http://img41.imageshack.us/i/26322768.jpg/

http://img20.imageshack.us/i/27762013.jpg/

~ Mad

I did say earlier in this thread, or the other one, that the new Space Hulk was originally going to have 3D plastic scenery but GW said they couldn't fit it in the box so they will be doing 3D cardboard scenery. This could explain the weight...
Mick

yeah,
Fixed for the lazy

CallMeMad wrote:

Looks awesome!

Panic...

Heres my post from 2007 re Space Hulk:

New Space Hulk version in the works??


Ed Holzman (Bearcat89):
"I had the pleasure of meeting Jervis Johnson a couple of months ago at the Chaos Cup BloodBowl tournament at GW's Midwest US Headquarters "Battle Bunker". I was pleased to find out he is a great guy, and I had a very relaxed and enjoyable conversation with him. After talking a bit about BB and 40K, I brought up the subject of Space Hulk. I told him that I was a member of the Yahoo SH Group and that at times there are still heavy debated views here concerning the game. He got a slight chuckle out of that. I can not remember everything discussed, as all the BB coaches hit the bar afterwards and we were talking about tons of stuff while watching the World Series (US Baseball), drinking, that - and the nice scenery of Hooters waitresses were quite distracting....


Anyway's, here is some scoop I do remember that I wanted to share with the group here.

It seems as though GW knows that the demand and customer base is there. Basically he is pretty sure that there will be a new Space Hulk game released in the not too distant future. He said they will have to work with marketing to figure out how to put this out, as it must be known there will not be regular additional releases for it like the other Specialist Games, and will remain a stand alone game. I asked him about how they could do it reasonably as 5 Terminators now go for $50 so the 10 Terminators alone would go for $100. Then add on Genestealers and board pieces and nobody would be able to afford it. He said they would do it similar to how "Battle For Macragge", less detailed and simpler designed minis, to cut back on total overall costs. He mentioned something like that they were researching and believe that the card tile pieces will be replaced by something else (I'm drawing a blank, but he may have said plastics?). I brought up the subject that I read that the designers of 2nd edition wish that they did put the timed game play for the SM player. He agreed it adds so much to the game and said that they looked into sand timers (fairly costly), but that technology has come way down in price, that it looks like they would use a digital timer - where they could even put sounds in there as time is running out (like a heart beating fast he put it) and another sound when time is up (I'm thinking a death groan would be cool for that). He says that this timer is less of a cost from a supplier than the old sand timer. Towards the end of the conversation I said that would be really cool if they did come out with it, and the impression I got from his reactions is that it is seems that this may go through - and if so fairly soon!

So that's all I have. Who knows with GW's ever changing situation if it will indeed make its way to final production and the shelves of retailers, but I know I'll (and probably everyone here) will be getting it if it does come out."

From Game Board Geek
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If it's Black Reach style miniatures with cardboard terrain it would count among the biggest disappointments ever


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covenant84 wrote:It's an 'alien' like in the movies, well, technically not. GW will be releasing one alien for each GW on the 16th. On the 17th the first set of mystery boxes will be realeased being the first part of a hand scanner - the game? To avoid the aliens and stay alive.

What the hell does all this mean, especially the bold part?


(I know there is a rumor that there will be one box released for every store GW has, but that is very unrealistic Imo)

Bets for a Hex-based cardboard cut-out game? Anyone? No? Ok.

sA

TBD wrote:If it's Black Reach style miniatures with cardboard terrain it would count among the biggest disappointments ever


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covenant84 wrote:It's an 'alien' like in the movies, well, technically not. GW will be releasing one alien for each GW on the 16th. On the 17th the first set of mystery boxes will be realeased being the first part of a hand scanner - the game? To avoid the aliens and stay alive.

What the hell does all this mean, especially the bold part?


(I know there is a rumor that there will be one box released for every store GW has, but that is very unrealistic Imo)

The one box per store rumor is rubbish. Production set up and design costs are the same for 500, 5000, or 50,000 copies. No way they would make a run of 1 per store, when they can sell 10-100 per store.

1 copy per GW store makes no sense, if they are shipping them to independent stores, and I've already been told I'll get them.

smiling Assassin wrote:Bets for a Hex-based cardboard cut-out game? Anyone? No? Ok.

sA

Ack!

I certainly hope not!

I don't see any problem with Black Reach styled minis. Sure their poses are lacking but they are finely detailed.

mikhaila wrote:
The one box per store rumor is rubbish. Production set up and design costs are the same for 500, 5000, or 50,000 copies. No way they would make a run of 1 per store, when they can sell 10-100 per store.

1 copy per GW store makes no sense, if they are shipping them to independent stores, and I've already been told I'll get them.

Where is it mentioned to be 1 copy per wtf-box?
Maybe a "mystery" box has several copies...

Wouldnt it be a possibility to supply all the pre-orders of customers and independent-store orders,
but restrict the number of pick-up copys provided in their own stores?

Problem with pick-up copies is that the staff gets a first hand in those, so yeah.. three guesses as to why there are so few boxes in the store.

BrookM wrote:I don't see any problem with Black Reach styled minis. Sure their poses are lacking but they are finely detailed.

As much as AoBR models are still 40K, they're still second-rate. However, considering that you get $150 of SM models along with a bitz box full of Orky goodness for like $70CDN, it's still worth it.

Especially when you're as horribly broke as I am.

AoBR models are like taking your cousin to prom. She may be all dressed up, but EVERYONE knows.

mikhaila wrote:The one box per store rumor is rubbish. Production set up and design costs are the same for 500, 5000, or 50,000 copies. No way they would make a run of 1 per store, when they can sell 10-100 per store.
1 copy per GW store makes no sense, if they are shipping them to independent stores, and I've already been told I'll get them.

It comes down to more than just set up costs. Its about profit margins, if some portion of production is a limited run including things that otherwise not be included it comes more to the amount of profit necessary to justify the capital investment in product. I seriously doubt they could sell a hundred in most stores. Just because GW could hypothetically make a $99 game and sell for $100, doesn't mean they can justify doing so for $1 profit, same principle but larger investment and a smaller margin to work with if its as packed as its supposed to be. I still believe they will release a more basic, less packed in version later on. The limited production is much for the same reason GW released the really big terrain sets as limited runs.

Spacemanvic wrote:Anyway's, here is some scoop I do remember that I wanted to share with the group here.

It seems as though GW knows that the demand and customer base is there. Basically he is pretty sure that there will be a new Space Hulk game released in the not too distant future. He said they will have to work with marketing to figure out how to put this out, as it must be known there will not be regular additional releases for it like the other Specialist Games, and will remain a stand alone game. I asked him about how they could do it reasonably as 5 Terminators now go for $50 so the 10 Terminators alone would go for $100. Then add on Genestealers and board pieces and nobody would be able to afford it. He said they would do it similar to how "Battle For Macragge", less detailed and simpler designed minis, to cut back on total overall costs. He mentioned something like that they were researching and believe that the card tile pieces will be replaced by something else (I'm drawing a blank, but he may have said plastics?). I brought up the subject that I read that the designers of 2nd edition wish that they did put the timed game play for the SM player. He agreed it adds so much to the game and said that they looked into sand timers (fairly costly), but that technology has come way down in price, that it looks like they would use a digital timer - where they could even put sounds in there as time is running out (like a heart beating fast he put it) and another sound when time is up (I'm thinking a death groan would be cool for that). He says that this timer is less of a cost from a supplier than the old sand timer. Towards the end of the conversation I said that would be really cool if they did come out with it, and the impression I got from his reactions is that it is seems that this may go through - and if so fairly soon!_

So basically they have to make sub par figures for the box because they are normally so over priced it would be cheaper to buy the whole Space Hulk game than the plastic Terminators seperately. This is merely a result of their gross over pricing structure, making 5 plastic figures £25.

Ah what the feth, when Black Reach was released the only nagging point was the horrible posing of some models but when painted they looked just like the real multi-pose models, now they are second rate?

SargesSquad wrote:

BrookM wrote:I don't see any problem with Black Reach styled minis. Sure their poses are lacking but they are finely detailed.

As much as AoBR models are still 40K, they're still second-rate. However, considering that you get $150 of SM models along with a bitz box full of Orky goodness for like $70CDN, it's still worth it.

Especially when you're as horribly broke as I am.

AoBR models are like taking your cousin to prom. She may be all dressed up, but EVERYONE knows.

Thats a bit dramatic. As reduced in quality as the AoBR models are they are still no where near as bad as what GW had 10 years ago or 10 years before that.

Take this:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2536/3800882537_1a8b754ffa.jpg
or this:
http://spacehulk.beckerf.de/assets/images/SH_Term06.jpg

Don't become an elitist. You play a game with plastic figures that many people consider childish and toy like.

Something they've never done before...

...

A self-contained game...

...

Hasn't anyone thought of the most horrible possible outcome?!?

Could it be a GW game with Pre-painted minis, much like Rackham did with AT-43?!?

That would be the end of everything....

I hope that I'm wrong...

So, hyptothetically speaking - if it is SH - Is this going to be without hybrids?
Or can you sub them for IG genestealer cultists.

One of my favorite SH releases was actually the issue of WD that brought in regular SMs in place of Terminators.

aka_mythos wrote:

SargesSquad wrote:

BrookM wrote:I don't see any problem with Black Reach styled minis. Sure their poses are lacking but they are finely detailed.

As much as AoBR models are still 40K, they're still second-rate. However, considering that you get $150 of SM models along with a bitz box full of Orky goodness for like $70CDN, it's still worth it.

Especially when you're as horribly broke as I am.

AoBR models are like taking your cousin to prom. She may be all dressed up, but EVERYONE knows.

Thats a bit dramatic. As reduced in quality as the AoBR models are they are still no where near as bad as what GW had 10 years ago or 10 years before that.

Don't become an elitist. You play a game with plastic figures that many people consider childish and toy like.

It's not that I don't like the models. Hell, I still bought a set, just 'cause it's a good deal.
But for me, the part of the hobby that's the most fun is making each model something special. I know, I know, it's a great deal, and it's a great way to bring new people into the hobby, but you can still tell which models are AoBR and which aren't. It's just that I like the other boxes better, but I'm just too broke to get them.

But back on topic... I desperately hope that the minis aren't pre-painted. Building & painting is half the fun.

JonnyDelta wrote:So, hyptothetically speaking - if it is SH - Is this going to be without hybrids?
Or can you sub them for IG genestealer cultists.

One of my favorite SH releases was actually the issue of WD that brought in regular SMs in place of Terminators.

That was all done for the original version. They issued many missions in the magazine with new floor templates for you to use in your maps. There were also rules for standard marines, and traitor terminators on board the hulks. The Genestealer and Deathwing expansions gave loads of new weapons to the Marines, multi-level hulk maps, genetealer hybrids and psychic powers.

They did none of this for the second release, beside a few supporting articles in WD at the time, the original had years of support, the second had months and no expansions.

Though the plastic marines in the original Space Hulk were terrible. A thing of their time really, being such early plastics.

Yggdrasil wrote:Hasn't anyone thought of the most horrible possible outcome?!?

Could it be a GW game with Pre-painted minis, much like Rackham did with AT-43?!?

That would be the end of everything....

I hope that I'm wrong...

GW workers supposedly received a letter telling them to schedule time to paint in the weeks prior to the september release, so that would implicate it's not pre-painted.

Possibly a stupid question, but if they are pre-painted can't you just strip them and paint them yourself...?

Imagine 10 high-quality (posable) Terminators, a handful of genestealers (or some equivalent opposition - maybe some Dark Eldar for all of us dying out there) and plastic scenery that looked good for $70.

We can all dream. That's probably one of mine. What magic that would be.

aka_mythos wrote:http://spacehulk.beckerf.de/assets/images/SH_Term06.jpg

Black Templars with upside down Ultramarine symbols

Yggdrasil wrote:
Hasn't anyone thought of the most horrible possible outcome?!?

Could it be a GW game with Pre-painted minis, much like Rackham did with AT-43?!?

That would be the end of everything....

I hope that I'm wrong...

Looking at how well all the pre-painted stuff is doing, I can't see anyone thinking it's a good thing. GW has always had a very negative veiw of prepaints. There would have to be a 180 degree turn in attitude towards prepaints, flying in the face of lots of evidence that it wouldn't go over well and make money.

I think we can all agree that GW likes money.

Hmm, I like it too, come to think of it. I'm looking forward to my sales reps face when I place my order for my 'Mystery Boxes" on monday.

I think at this point, I don't really care what it is, I'm going to do my best to get one. If it's DH, super; if it's Space Hulk, I might pee my pants in happiness.

Either way, GW is going to walk away with more of my money. They're scarily, upsettingly good at that.

I think the only way GW will ever do a pre-painted miniature set is if its an entirely separate IP property to 40k or Fantasy. Something that if it tanked wouldn't hurt their corporate identity. Something like LotR, if they had really wanted to when they first got the rights.

It's funny that Rackham justified their move to pre-painted plastic by claiming that their marketing research told them gamers would prefer it.

Of course that is a much better story than "if we don't do it we will go out of business for sure".

I have been told from a source that I trust 100% that the staff in GW's stores have gotten a deadline when they are supposed to have painted the contents of the mystery box. So pre-painted seems to be out of the question.

Furthermore, the same guy stated that it is a complete game. Which ties into the reason behind the tight painting schedule. GW wants each and every store to have the game painted, up and running ASAP after the launch, to tie into gaming seminars in their stores.

So - a complete game straight out of the box. Not pre-painted

I apologize if I'm just reiterating what has already been stated previously in this thread. It had become a bit too long of a thread that I would bother check it thoroughly before posting.

Man i REALLY want to know what this is!!!

Space Hulk - Vengeance of the Spase Wooofs

TBD wrote:It's funny that Rackham justified their move to pre-painted plastic by claiming that their marketing research told them gamers would prefer it.

Of course that is a much better story than "if we don't do it we will go out of business for sure".

Let me just show you this. And might i remind you , this is poll from warhammer where the game supposedly to be heavily hobby oriented as well.
even that , the figure speaks different doesnt it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/245996.page

aka_mythos wrote:I think the only way GW will ever do a pre-painted miniature set is if its an entirely separate IP property to 40k or Fantasy. Something that if it tanked wouldn't hurt their corporate identity. Something like LotR, if they had really wanted to when they first got the rights.

Which they did, sort of. Sabertooth games did the LOTR 30mm scale game with prepaints on hex bases. GW liscensed it to them, then later bought Sabertooth. It went through totally different channels of distribution than regular GW product.

GW will never do pre paint. Why? because
how will they push their whole hobby section if the
customers no longer have the incentive?

Luna, I wouldn't say never. GW just has to believe that prepainted minis would make them more money than model kits and all the peripheral supplies. I think the biggest thing against that (un)likelyhood is that they do charge so much and can already get away large prices without additional services.

GW will create their own Painting Service like everyone here on Dakka!

aka_mythos wrote:Luna, I wouldn't say never. GW just has to believe that prepainted minis would make them more money than model kits and all the peripheral supplies. I think the biggest thing against that (un)likelyhood is that they do charge so much and can already get away large prices without additional services.

Ah i should be specific , i meant never as in the 40k / Fantasy line.

Space Hulk could be pre painted ( would be possible ) and i can picture seeing it in walmart

LunaHound wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Luna, I wouldn't say never. GW just has to believe that prepainted minis would make them more money than model kits and all the peripheral supplies. I think the biggest thing against that (un)likelyhood is that they do charge so much and can already get away large prices without additional services.

Ah i should be specific , i meant never as in the 40k / Fantasy line.

Space Hulk could be pre painted ( would be possible ) and i can picture seeing it in walmart

If it's going to be prepainted, I think you'd be less likely to find a lot of it in stores already dedicated to 40K, and in somewhere big chain superstore. Prepainting would just be a way to try to nab new players who just want to start playing now, and consider building/painting later, which is when they'd go to the dedicated stores.

I dont think GW will ever do Pre painted sets because... How would they ever sell there ever so expensive spray paints, and citidel paints or the foundation paints? lol


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I dont think GW will ever do Pre painted sets because... How would they ever sell there ever so expensive spray paints, and citidel paints or the foundation paints? lol

gunner762 wrote:I dont think GW will ever do Pre painted sets because... How would they ever sell there ever so expensive spray paints, and citidel paints or the foundation paints? lol


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I dont think GW will ever do Pre painted sets because... How would they ever sell there ever so expensive spray paints, and citidel paints or the foundation paints? lol

Easy. You sell a line of re-primer for pre-painted miniatures, and it's like printing money.

Ah, you know GW will ALWAYS do what will make them money. Just like they do with fluff, they'll change it to what they need to hear to do it.

Just ask the Squats . . .

If it hasn't been said.

It's a box that you can put your money in.

And then you give it back to GW.

I still have a few of those plastic SH Termies laying about collecting dust. I'm emberassed to see them. In comparison - AoBR Terminators are leaps and bounds ahead.
And hell, 10 more Termies in the collection? AoBR or not - I'm one step closer to an Apoc formation!

I really don't see why 10 AoBR-style Termies, 20 Battle for Macragge-style Stealers and a bunch of card tiles would be such a bad thing. Both previous editions of Space Hulk were like that, were both fine games, and the Terminators (especially in 1st Ed) were worse.

If they are of the quality and diversity as the AOBR models (not just the termies), put me down for two boxes!

Its fething space hulk.

Here is the current time in Germany if anyone wants to keep track of when Gamesday starts.

Hollismason wrote:Its fething space hulk.

You wouldn't happen to post at SomethingAwful and EternityofWar under a similar pseudonym, eh?

It's almost 7AM! Sweet - we shall know:

Space Hulk - Wolves Style

Uriels_Flame wrote:It's almost 7AM! Sweet - we shall know:

Space Hulk - Wolves Style

ahh its 9:53 PM for me, I hope I get to see some stuff within the next 4 hours....or at least hear things

I saw someone mention the SW dex cover, what does it look like? Sorry for the off topicness.


Oh and I still think it could be a Time war game.

TBD - they were having a laugh with the younger more gulible lads. They were trying to say GW would set aliens (like in the movie) loose and you would have to buy a hand scanner if you wanted to survive.

edit - Just noticed that on the GW advance order site there's a picture of a couple of dice with explosion, bolt and another symbol on - more evidence that it's SH or has this always been there? (click on the advance order page and it's on the heading 'gaming' at the head of the advance order menu) http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landing.jsp?catId=cat1290031&rootCatGameStyle=

Aren't those dice from Epic or an older version of Necromunda when they still had sustained fire dice?

They're not epic, they were green (have loads!) and the symbols are different to the old sustaind fire dice and the jam dice.

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well we should find out in the next few hours or so, so im gona sit back and wait for any info from GD germany

My local GW store's employees reckon the whole point of the Mystery Box is to shut down the rumour mill.

They failed spectacularly, as I think you'll agree.

Well I dont know what is in it but it will cost £60. Speculate away.

ungulateman wrote:My local GW store's employees reckon the whole point of the Mystery Box is to shut down the rumour mill.

They failed spectacularly, as I think you'll agree.

if this is true then EPIC LOLZ

typhus wrote:

ungulateman wrote:My local GW store's employees reckon the whole point of the Mystery Box is to shut down the rumour mill.

They failed spectacularly, as I think you'll agree.

if this is true then EPIC LOLZ

Did they shut down rumor mill so we'll have one more very much needed reason to buy the advertisement pamphlet they called White Dwarf?

You don't have a mystery box if you are trying to squash rumors. You have one to generate more talk. If you want to beat the rumor mill, you just announce it. If you don't want to draw attention to it, you just slip it on the release schedule without fanfare. If you want people to notice your release and generate buzz for you then you go to the mystery box. They seem to have succeeded.

I'm hearing AUD$200.

So, all Australians, buy it overseas where it will be 30% cheaper. And that's not at discounters, that's just GWUK or GWUS.

What kind of discounters are you talking about, H'?

Well, on the german boards people are saying that it`s "just" Space Hulk. Box is supposed to be quite a bit bigger than the regular ones

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=6867

Meine “Agenten” berichten, dass es in der Tat die Space Hulk Box sein wird!
Es gibt offenbar keine weiteren Infos, auch den Preis offenbar noch nicht. Bestellbar ab morgen und auf einige wenige Exemplare pro Laden begrenzt (er meint, 10 oder 15 Stück).
Die Kiste soll größer sein als die normalen Grundboxen.

This ones rather vague about it.

Meine Bekannten sind auch gerade in Köln und haben es aus erster Hand wie man so schön sagt.

This one says that he got aquaintances that are in cologne right now and theyhad the info first hand.


As long as I dont see pics though ... those should come up tonight.

That's right!

Trot out the infamous "Pics, or it didn't happen!" line!!!

And you're right - until we see confirmation, who knows?

The Dude on Warseer is saying its Space Hulk.

Flachzange wrote:Well, on the german boards people are saying that it`s "just" Space Hulk. Box is supposed to be quite a bit bigger than the regular ones

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=6867

Meine “Agenten” berichten, dass es in der Tat die Space Hulk Box sein wird!
Es gibt offenbar keine weiteren Infos, auch den Preis offenbar noch nicht. Bestellbar ab morgen und auf einige wenige Exemplare pro Laden begrenzt (er meint, 10 oder 15 Stück).
Die Kiste soll größer sein als die normalen Grundboxen.

This ones rather vague about it.

Meine Bekannten sind auch gerade in Köln und haben es aus erster Hand wie man so schön sagt.

This one says that he got aquaintances that are in cologne right now and theyhad the info first hand.


As long as I dont see pics though ... those should come up tonight.

I don't suppose you could have translated that for us.

Flachzange wrote:Well, on the german boards people are saying that it`s "just" Space Hulk. Box is supposed to be quite a bit bigger than the regular ones

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=6867

Meine “Agenten” berichten, dass es in der Tat die Space Hulk Box sein wird!
Es gibt offenbar keine weiteren Infos, auch den Preis offenbar noch nicht. Bestellbar ab morgen und auf einige wenige Exemplare pro Laden begrenzt (er meint, 10 oder 15 Stück).
Die Kiste soll größer sein als die normalen Grundboxen.

My "agents" report that it really is gonna be the Space Hulk Box.
Appearently there are no further informations and no price yet. You can order tomorrow and there should only be a few per store (about 10 to 15).
The box is suppose to be bigger than the regular starters.

Meine Bekannten sind auch gerade in Köln und haben es aus erster Hand wie man so schön sagt.

This one says that he got aquaintances that are in cologne right now and theyhad the info first hand.

Added translation on the first one.
Second one was already translated.

As per Babelfish:

My “agents” report that it will be indeed the space Hulk box! There is not obviously no further information, also the price obviously yet. Order bar as of tomorrow and on some few copies per shop limited (it means, 10 or 15 pieces). The crate should be larger than the normal basic boxes.

Officially also not until tomorrow on-line will be. My acquaintance are also straight in Cologne and have it from first hand as one say so beautifully.

Alpharius wrote:That's right!

Trot out the infamous "Pics, or it didn't happen!" line!!!

And you're right - until we see confirmation, who knows?

:( I really didnt wanne, I honestly didnt.
But this is the interwebs. Cant trust anything beyond your router.


GOD LORD. I really cant believe that people still resort to babelfish. Your cat would produce a better translation Im sure.
Nothing against you KK!!

Thanks mate

Flachzange wrote:

Alpharius wrote:That's right!

Trot out the infamous "Pics, or it didn't happen!" line!!!

And you're right - until we see confirmation, who knows?

:( I really didnt wanne, I honestly didnt.
But this is the interwebs. Cant trust anything beyond your router.


GOD LORD. I really cant believe that people still resort to babelfish. Your cat would produce a better translation Im sure.
Nothing against you KK!!

Actually I used to be pretty good at German but without a dictionary I can't understand all the words.

Why limit Space Hulk? Another genuis marketing decision by GW to lose themselves money.

Like I said, it has nothing to do with you The babelfish translations just arent worth crap. It`s horrible.

Okay, maybe to get a sense of whats going on, but even that is borderline Anyways.

BTT

Its space Hulk! taking bets now!

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Dude on Warseer is saying its Space Hulk.

And he's correct as well.

cardboard tiles old school goodness agogo.

Basically all that is said that yes it is Space Hulk and that it will be available in limited numbers only. No price or anything is known as of yet. The box will be bigger than the current line of starter boxed sets.

When are we going to know for sure?

No cool plastic tiles?

Cardboard tiles?

Maybe the limited ones are gold plated.
the size of the box probably have something to do with the game board its going to be played on.
( so something large yet not able to be easily folded? )

Its all a lie, the box really contains a 40k universe swimsuit calender, January is Calgar in a thong.

From what I was told yesterday, the box is deeper rather than having a larger face to it....

covenant84 wrote:From what I was told yesterday, the box is deeper rather than having a larger face to it....

You mean like they used to be, before the 'starter sets' got smaller?

Well they can shove the game where the sun don't shine if it's card tiles. You're having a laugh if they think that is value for money.

I'm wondering if they'll have rules for much, much more than terminators and genestealers in this edition? It'd be a great way to move some slow-selling models (Dark Eldar get a 3+ invulnerable in Space Hulk!).

Now would be a great time for all those people who claim to know what it is to come clear.

Yeah, or maybe even a bit more like the fortified mannor set.

News folks:

Die Mystery Box wurde auf dem Games Day nicht enthüllt, dafür aber durch die Blume verraten um was es sich handelt.

Das Cover und das Games Day T-Shirt verrät es. Während die Mitarbeiter mit dem oben abgebildeten Motiv des Terminator Helms herum liefen, war das für Kunden mit einem Tyranidenschädel versehen.

Man darf also für morgen Space Hulk erwarten. Die große “Enthüllung” fand auf dem Games Day leider nicht statt, da hier seitens UK ein Riegel vorgeschoben wurde und die Ankündigung via Newsletter (der für heute Abend / Nacht erwartet wird) passieren wird.

Preis der Box soll bei knapp 80 EUR liegen, die Gesamtauflage bei 5.000 Stück. Es handelt sich dabei um die deutsche Version die auch an die Einzelhändler mit maximal 15 Exemplaren pro Lokal verkauft wird.

Auf dem Games Day soll ein Trailer gezeigt werden, dieser wird für 16.00 Uhr erwartet. Wir reichen die Details entsprechend nach.

Translation:
- Mystery box hasn't been revealed yet
- announcement tonight via newsletter
- it's to 99% Space Hulk
- price: 80€
- only 5000 German versions, 15 per store
- there will be a trailer about the box at 16.00 (04.00pm)

~ Mad

80 Euros is about £70 which is very expensive IMO.




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