Soap from cod4, as long as he brought his m40 snipper rifle, and took stopping power and deep impact perks. The stopping power would increase its strength and deep impact would let it blow right through marine armor
Sam Fisher.......I don't know if anyone said it or not but this guy's awesomeness alone could kill one, and I didn't even mention the badass segment in one of the levels of the new game!!!! XD
Brotherhood of Steel:
Still not any faster than normal humans.
Ceramite is still far tougher than steel.
Brotherhood aren't used to facing a foe with superior weapons in training; they're accustomed to being the best.
Still no significant weapons advantage; what happens when the Marine shoots back?
Starcraft Marines:
...what in the Emperor's name is whipple shielding? Now you're just trying to use your own universe to further your male appendage-swinging.
The gauss rifles could probably punch holes in Marine armor, but they lack the stopping power of a bolter and the Starcraft Marine is still hosed in close combat.
Jedi:
Force lightning would have an awful lot of trouble getting through ceramic plating and several layers of insulation. Power armour is designed to resist electrical interference.
As for kinetic Force powers, a Space Marine's throat is a lot bigger and more muscular than a human's and they have a much larger lung capacity. In the time that it takes for him to asphyxiate he could keep charging or fire his bolter. Have you ever seen a Jedi use the Force to choke a Rancor? No.
As for Force Push, it's not gonna be easy to yank a huge metal bolter from the grip of an eight-foot power-armored superhuman. Even if you did, you're just going to make him very, very angry.
Space_Potato wrote:^ imagine a wierd mutant octopus-thing in an armoured wheelie bin that can hover, shoot inst-kill lasers and can suck peoples faces off.
Also, THEY ONLY SPEAK IN CAPS LOCK! EXTERMINATE CAPS LOCK!
Owain wrote:
Starcraft Marines:
...what in the Emperor's name is whipple shielding? Now you're just trying to use your own universe to further your male appendage-swinging.
The Whipple shield or Whipple bumper, invented by Fred Whipple, is a type of hypervelocity impact shield used to protect manned and unmanned spacecraft from collisions with micrometeoroids and orbital debris whose velocities generally range between 3 and 18 kilometres per second (1.9 and 11 mi/s).
There are several variations on the simple Whipple shield. Multi-shock shields, like the one used on the Stardust spacecraft, use multiple bumpers spaced apart to increase the shields ability to protect the spacecraft. Whipple shields that have a filling in between the rigid layers of the shield are called "Stuffed Whipple shields". The filling in these shields is usually a high strength material like Kevlar or Nextel. The type of shield along with the material, thickness and distance between layers are varied to produce a shield with minimal mass that will also minimize the probability of penetration. There are over 100 shield configurations on the International Space Station alone, with higher risk areas having better shielding.
There are more ways of spreading AIDS other than sex. You can get it by inserting drugs from needles. And where are the space marine's needles, you may ask? In the apothcaries tool kit which gives the squads thier feel no pain rule.
So AIDS can definatley take down a space marine.
Munch Munch! wrote: There are more ways of spreading AIDS other than sex. You can get it by inserting drugs from needles. And where are the space marine's needles, you may ask? In the apothcaries tool kit which gives the squads thier feel no pain rule.
So AIDS can definatley take down a space marine.
The moral of this story – mad doks will kill you no matter which race they belong to
I would think one of those big Trolls in the LOTR movie could pound a space marine one-on-one. As far as a whole army versus army showdown, the Imperial Snowtroopers that basically slaughtered the rebels on Hoth with those AT-ATs were one heck of a tough and well prepared strike force. The AT-ATs at least would stomp a land raider flat, and SMs don't have tow cables.
I'll say it again. AT-AT and Snowtroopers. If it weren't for the tow cables not a single transport would have escaped Hoth. SMs don't use tow cables. AT-AT POWAAAH!
Oh like the star destroyers in orbit wont take care of an Orbital bombardment threat? The only reason they didn't blow the place from orbit is because Darth wanted to root out Luke. Duh. Sorry the empire has space superiority here. You want to take out an AT-AT with a powerfist? That's like bringing down a building with a crowbar. Possible yes, but may take a while... and that's 4 buildings, all moving, with a fire platform on top. Just face it and concede... the Empire attack on Hoth was absolutely mastermind and overwhelming. Landraiders or not you get stepped on. Props to General Veers for efficiency, and Vaders choke to Admiral Ozzell for coming out of hyperspace too soon, giving the rebels time to prepare. (yeah I have WAY too many viewings of that movie for any sane person)
I gotta agree on Space Superiority here. The Galactic Empire's ships far outclass and out-tech the Imperial Navy. The only thing the Imperial Navy has going for it over the Empire is that most of it's ships are equipped to perform Exterminatus. In a ground conflict the Imperium could win hands-down, as the arms and armour of the Galactic Empire is at best between Tau and Guard tech-levels. But in Space, it's the Galactic Empire by a fair margin.
metallifan wrote:I gotta agree on Space Superiority here. The Galactic Empire's ships far outclass and out-tech the Imperial Navy. The only thing the Imperial Navy has going for it over the Empire is that most of it's ships are equipped to perform Exterminatus. In a ground conflict the Imperium could win hands-down, as the arms and armour of the Galactic Empire is at best between Tau and Guard tech-levels. But in Space, it's the Galactic Empire by a fair margin.
I disagree. 40k Imperium Star Ships are MASSIVE, absolutely freaking ENORMOUS!! Like Death Star sized in some cases if I recall correctly. A Ship that size has an incredible ammount of hull structure, and thus would be as tough as nails. In a Broad-side to Broad-side slugging contest, I'd put my Orks Teeth on the Imperium any day over Darth Flamers little cheese slices. =]
Guitardian: One world - Lascannon. Concentrate a few shots into the (comparitively) soft as hell knuckle on the knee of an AT-AT or AT-ST and it's going to pull a classic Cylon moment - "We were reading the Instructions Manual when the ground came up and hit us."
I think the rebels had lascannons, on all kinds of turrets and those lazooka looking guys in the trenches. Did it help? no. rope helped. The imperium would never think of using that though because it hasn't been sanctified by the techpriests. score 2 empire vs imperium.
darthmatty wrote:Bear Grhylls could kill a space marine
sure! but the freakest part is the fact that, if Bear Grhylls kill a marine, he as to eat him.... surely he can also.... that guy has stomach for everything....
Guitardian wrote:I think the rebels had lascannons, on all kinds of turrets and those lazooka looking guys in the trenches. Did it help? no. rope helped. The imperium would never think of using that though because it hasn't been sanctified by the techpriests. score 2 empire vs imperium.
Try out your lascannon on an AV 20 kneecap.
It's called a Warhound Powerfist. Or a Plasma Cannon. That AT-AT just suffered a bad case of broken everything.
Nuruhuine wrote:A Ship that size has an incredible ammount of hull structure, and thus would be as tough as nails. In a Broad-side to Broad-side slugging contest, I'd put my Orks Teeth on the Imperium any day over Darth Flamers little cheese slices. =]
Oh I totally agree as far as a broadside battle goes. If that happened, there wouldn't even be -pieces- of that Star Destroyer left. The problem, though, is getting into a broadside setup when the Empire knows they'd lose, and thus be able to maneuver to avoid it. Sure, the Imperial Navy ships have more hull strength, but the problem is that their most powerful weapons would have a difficult time coming to bear on what seems to be a much faster ship that's capable of putting out an even amount of fire in a 180 degree arc.
Imperium crushes empire to dust. Imperium's got exterminatus, billions of las guns, mysterious ghost warriors, mssive titans, 8 foot tall super soldiers who have hundreds of years of battle experience and chainsaw swords. The Empire has weak armoured soldiers, guns that creat a ton of smoke and the stormtrooper effect. Sure, the empire has the death star, but remember that the death star was destroyed by an 18 year old and then again by a smuggler, a bear and an old ship that has to go under massive repairs after every battle.
That's why I said, if it wasn't for those dang meddling kids!
How about the God Emperor of Dune and his fanatical zealot armies of gazillions and control of the whole universe, and knowledge of all time past and future? I think he might give the Imperium a run for its money.
Tony the guardsman wrote:I would say iron man, better armour and better everthing
We discussed this and came to the conclusion that at his first meeting, Tony Stark would get his teeth kicked in, his body turned into radioactive stew and then have that stew eaten with a spork. But if he survived, he would just build a better suit to fight an SM. But then they'd send in the terminators.
All in all, the Iron Man suit couldn't stand up to a rocket-propelled, high explosive miniature nuclear device, never mind a whole volley of them. And in close combat, a Marine would just tear his head off, thanks to his hieght advantage.
I think a team of technicians could probably pry a marines helmet off enough for someone to put a grenade into the helmet and they clsoe it. one down, 999 to go.
Munch Munch! wrote:Imperium crushes empire to dust. Imperium's got exterminatus, billions of las guns, mysterious ghost warriors, mssive titans, 8 foot tall super soldiers who have hundreds of years of battle experience and chainsaw swords. The Empire has weak armoured soldiers, guns that creat a ton of smoke and the stormtrooper effect. Sure, the empire has the death star, but remember that the death star was destroyed by an 18 year old and then again by a smuggler, a bear and an old ship that has to go under massive repairs after every battle.
lol, yes. Also the Empire doesn't even have a regular army. They had to clone soldiers because its really more of a trade federation than an empire.
Actually, by the time the the events of "A New Hope", cloning had become scarce and mysterious. Most of the stormtroopers were recriuts. Your thinking of the republic which turned into the galactic empire. But the Empire did still had some clones left. They were spread far and wide. The only pure clone force was the famous and terrifying 501st Legion who were responsible for executing Operation: Knightfall, and putting down an insurgence on Naboo led by a rebel sympathiser who was callborating with jedi who survived Order 66 along with other famous battles.
Munch Munch! wrote:Actually, by the time the the events of "A New Hope", cloning had become scarce and mysterious. Most of the stormtroopers were recriuts. Your thinking of the republic which turned into the galactic empire. But the Empire did still had some clones left. They were spread far and wide. The only pure clone force was the famous and terrifying 501st Legion who were responsible for executing Operation: Knightfall, and putting down an insurgence on Naboo led by a rebel sympathiser who was callborating with jedi who survived Order 66 along with other famous battles.
You sure about that? Pretty sure Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers. The movies certainly make it out to be that way.
Automatically Appended Next Post: anyways, we know a Space Marine can beat a Clone Trooper.
Strange why know ones been clever enough to get all the UM into one place and bombard them with nukes. Don't think power armour can withstand a direct nuke blast. And if we now can make 5000 nukes in 60 years with one planet, I think the imperium with its millions of worlds could make at least 1000000000000 nukes in 40000 years. Realisticly in that much time they could make about 5000000000000000000 nukes (no, no jokes) for Chaos to nick.
The 300 spartans managed to hold of for 5 days against about 190000 persians, but THIS IS SPAAAAARTAAAAA wont work against marines.
Chimeras from Resistance would get shredded.
HALO spartans would get shredded.
Uncharted 2 guardians would get shredded.
DOOM demons would get shredded
Quake stroggs would get shredded.... UNTIL they strogify a space marine who turns into a squidmarine and then marines get shredded.
Also, Gollum could give one a run for their money. Keep saying MY PRECIOUS!!!!!!!! and coughing and the Marine will get so angry he'll jump of a cliff.
On a more serious note, no armor can help against crush damage unless it makes them stronger (a lot stronger, not just SM geno enhancement stronger). So supposedly push a big rock of a cliff and it will kill a few.
Guitardian wrote:I think the rebels had lascannons, on all kinds of turrets and those lazooka looking guys in the trenches. Did it help? no. rope helped. The imperium would never think of using that though because it hasn't been sanctified by the techpriests. score 2 empire vs imperium.
Try out your lascannon on an AV 20 kneecap.
It's called a Warhound Powerfist. Or a Plasma Cannon. That AT-AT just suffered a bad case of broken everything.
Nuruhuine wrote:A Ship that size has an incredible ammount of hull structure, and thus would be as tough as nails. In a Broad-side to Broad-side slugging contest, I'd put my Orks Teeth on the Imperium any day over Darth Flamers little cheese slices. =]
Oh I totally agree as far as a broadside battle goes. If that happened, there wouldn't even be -pieces- of that Star Destroyer left. The problem, though, is getting into a broadside setup when the Empire knows they'd lose, and thus be able to maneuver to avoid it. Sure, the Imperial Navy ships have more hull strength, but the problem is that their most powerful weapons would have a difficult time coming to bear on what seems to be a much faster ship that's capable of putting out an even amount of fire in a 180 degree arc.
True, but don't forget about boarding parties.
Guitardian wrote:That's what the Deatttttttttth Staaaaaar is for. 1 shot= 1 kill. ship, ewok, wookie, space marine, planet, whatever.
If only it wasn't for those meddling kids though....
The Death Star is slow and takes it's sweet time to charge it's main weapon - All a ship has to do is stay close enough or behind it for it's main guns to be negated. Not a difficult thing for an Imperium Starcruiser to pull off, and as mentioned before it would have little problem handling the fire it was reciving.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Munch Munch! wrote:Actually, by the time the the events of "A New Hope", cloning had become scarce and mysterious. Most of the stormtroopers were recriuts. Your thinking of the republic which turned into the galactic empire. But the Empire did still had some clones left. They were spread far and wide. The only pure clone force was the famous and terrifying 501st Legion who were responsible for executing Operation: Knightfall, and putting down an insurgence on Naboo led by a rebel sympathiser who was callborating with jedi who survived Order 66 along with other famous battles.
You sure about that? Pretty sure Storm Troopers are Clone Troopers. The movies certainly make it out to be that way.
Automatically Appended Next Post: anyways, we know a Space Marine can beat a Clone Trooper.
But what about a Space Marine vs. a Jedi?
Han Solo WAS an Imperial Storm Trooper before he became a smuggler. If memory serves, he got fed up with how the Empire treated Wookies, liberated Chewy (if not more) and took off like a bat out've hell. The reason Chewy follows Han EVERYWHERE is because Chewy owes a Life Debt to Han, something Wookies take very seriously.
dern good point. I think the wookies could take on the mperium if they had as big a force. one for one chewie would rip a space marines shoulder pad off and beat him in the head with it. If only there was more than one planet of wookies.
S6 T6 BS5 (all the good guys in star wars have at least that) WS6, W3, I5, Ld10, 4+ invul ("goodguys" save) fearless, fnp, furious charge.... yeah I could go on and on. Wookies rock.
and thats just their troops, if the movies are to be believed
They are.....They all still have the same scream and grunt in a fight....plus. ....From what I've seen of Star Wars...almost EVERYONE hates the Empire. WOuld you join a military you hated? I think not good sir.
And would you rather destroy your population or create semi-mindless clones who'd do anything you'd say?
1. Chuck Norris. 'nuff said.
2.KITTEHZ FER THE WIN!
3. bunnys.period.
4.Rambo
5.YO MOMMA! She Flash them and they commit Suicide.
6.A pissed off Jill Valentine*FACE SLAP*
7. His wife.
People who use the term 'fail' about a joke thread. They are obviously cool enough to take on the marines. Kill 'em with lack of sense of humor? Marines who do not laugh and have fun are... um... all marines that are not space wolves?
Nobody ever responded about my quizzatch-hazzeracht army of the universe from Dune. I'm sorry but 'Universe' versus 'Galaxy' is a pretty large zone of control. Plus your leader is prescient, your personal force fields impenetrable by fast moving objects, and your followers are either absolutely fanatical brainwashed slaves like the sardukar, or ferociously loyal desert badasses like the fremen. I'm pretty sure once muad'dib established his sovereignty over the universe in the later Dune novels, he could kind of squash the Imperium like an annoying gnat. Doesn't anyone read classical sci-fi any more or is it just black library pulp nowadays that passes for writing by the most liberal definition of the word?
Hm, sorry Guitardian, but even Sardaukar (IIRC it's said a Sardaukar was the equal of ten soldiers in battle) or even the fanatic Fremens would be no match if every SM Chapter would gather up. Yes, their shields are impenetrable by fast-moving objects, but you do know they go Huge BOOOOOM!!! when hit by lasers. And no one in the Imperium would have the slightest problem of sacrificing a Guardsman to wipe out an entire area. Besides, SM's are resourceful, they would definitely whack anyone in CC, even with their Holtzmann shields. Furthermore, those fancy sandworm-tooth fremen swords wouldn't leave even a dent in their armor. And there's also the Librarians. There's no equivalent unit in the Dune Universe and they would reap a heavy toll on anyone. Prescience is limited in the Dune Universe and by the time of Chapterhouse Dune it's virtually useless as lots of people have the gene passed on from Siona Atreides, which protects humans from the powers of prescience. And also, the Bene Gesserit would stand against Muad'Dib and they are a formidable fighting force. So no, Muad'Dib has no chance against the SMs. One yes, would be made short work of, but all of them, not a chance
It's been a while since i read them too, but as those have always been my favorite books, i kinda find it hard to forget certain things, even if i wanted to
The WAMPA 1-on-1!
Starship Troopers style bugs army-vs-army. A chapter of marines versus a plenet of bugs, I give it to the bugs. "Its all about the numbers and they have more" (quote doogie howser in the ST movie)
Guitardian wrote:The WAMPA 1-on-1!
Starship Troopers style bugs army-vs-army. A chapter of marines versus a plenet of bugs, I give it to the bugs. "Its all about the numbers and they have more" (quote doogie howser in the ST movie)
I think good sir you are forgetting about the Murder suits in the 3rd movie. The marines weapons are much stronger than the Marauder's. =/
Automatically Appended Next Post: Although you may just want to refer to the first movie seeing how is was the absolute best of the series. =/
Well believe me bud...if I ever come across the books...you can be damned sure I'm going to remember its EXACT location and come back and buy it! If someone moves it.......thats nothing a little Commissar's Rampage can't fix ^.^
I could kill a space marine 1 on 1, no problem... but I would kinda need a rediculous planet destorying weapon ready to launch and the go button in my hands.
But realistically I think that a CoG Soldier from the Gears of War universe could do it. One of the survivors of the Locust War would be well trained and resourceful enough to take on a space marine. Especially one of them idiots from the Ultramarines!
And in City fight... not even a competition, spin the Gears and crush the Marines!
I could kill a space marine 1 on 1, no problem... but I would kinda need a rediculous planet destorying weapon ready to launch and the go button in my hands.
But realistically I think that a CoG Soldier from the Gears of War universe could do it. One of the survivors of the Locust War would be well trained and resourceful enough to take on a space marine. Especially one of them idiots from the Ultramarines!
And in City fight... not even a competition, spin the Gears and crush the Marines!
I find that very hard to believe. Mostly because a Cog does not use a miniaturized semiautomatic grenade launcher as his most basic weapon.
Also the fact that a space marine is about 8 feet tall and would shrug off the small arms fire the cog shoots at it. Also dont forget that a marine has you know.. a chain sword, which is > then the chainsaw gun.
I could kill a space marine 1 on 1, no problem... but I would kinda need a rediculous planet destorying weapon ready to launch and the go button in my hands.
But realistically I think that a CoG Soldier from the Gears of War universe could do it. One of the survivors of the Locust War would be well trained and resourceful enough to take on a space marine. Especially one of them idiots from the Ultramarines!
And in City fight... not even a competition, spin the Gears and crush the Marines!
And they're going to shoot through the Marine armor with their regular machine guns?
I could kill a space marine 1 on 1, no problem... but I would kinda need a rediculous planet destorying weapon ready to launch and the go button in my hands.
But realistically I think that a CoG Soldier from the Gears of War universe could do it. One of the survivors of the Locust War would be well trained and resourceful enough to take on a space marine. Especially one of them idiots from the Ultramarines!
And in City fight... not even a competition, spin the Gears and crush the Marines!
And they're going to shoot through the Marine armor with their regular machine guns?
A whole Chapter of Space Marines are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a sand dune. "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than ten Space Marines."
The Space Marine Force Commander quickly sends his Elite Retinue over the dune whereupon a gun battle breaks and continues for a few minutes, then silence.
The voice then calls out "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than one hundred Space Marines."
Furious, the Taliban commander sends his next best 100 troops over the dune and instantly a huge gunfight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again silence.
The American voice calls out again "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than your whole fething Chapter."
The enraged Force Commander musters one thousand Space Marines and sends them across the dune. Cannons, missiles and bolters ring out as a huge battle is fought. Then silence.
Eventually one wounded Space Marine crawls back over the dune and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men, it's a trap. There's actually two of them."
A dragonfly.
They can fly so fast they can burst through your head and not feel a thing. So, if he forgets a helmet it could hit his brain with a little struggle. No jokes.
felixthecat345 wrote:A dragonfly. They can fly so fast they can burst through your head and not feel a thing. So, if he forgets a helmet it could hit his brain with a little struggle. No jokes.
Uuummmm... No. Just, No. Unless this Dragonfly was the size of a .308 round (including casing) and had an exoskeleton made of pure awesome, your skull is going to win against an airborne insect.
felixthecat345 wrote:A dragonfly.
They can fly so fast they can burst through your head and not feel a thing. So, if he forgets a helmet it could hit his brain with a little struggle. No jokes.
Uuummmm... No. Just, No. Unless this Dragonfly was the size of a .308 round (including casing) and had an exoskeleton made of pure awesome, your skull is going to win against an airborne insect.
Would a dragonfly the size of a .308 round (Including casing) with an exoskeleton of pure awesome defeat a space marine?
Necroman wrote: Would a dragonfly the size of a .308 round (Including casing) with an exoskeleton of pure awesome defeat a space marine?
Well yea, it's exoskeleton is made of Pure Awesome. So is Sly Marbo, and he can kill marines easily enough. Thus, logic dictates that if Sly Marbo is made of Pure Awesome, and he kills Space Marines, then a Dragonfly made of Pure Awesome could as well.
Necroman wrote:
Would a dragonfly the size of a .308 round (Including casing) with an exoskeleton of pure awesome defeat a space marine?
Well yea, it's exoskeleton is made of Pure Awesome. So is Sly Marbo, and he can kill marines easily enough. Thus, logic dictates that if Sly Marbo is made of Pure Awesome, and he kills Space Marines, then a Dragonfly made of Pure Awesome could as well.
True.
But if pure awesome alone could defeat Space Marines, wouldn't Orks always win?
felixthecat345 wrote:A dragonfly.
They can fly so fast they can burst through your head and not feel a thing. So, if he forgets a helmet it could hit his brain with a little struggle. No jokes.
Uuummmm... No. Just, No. Unless this Dragonfly was the size of a .308 round (including casing) and had an exoskeleton made of pure awesome, your skull is going to win against an airborne insect.
Yea. The Orks would - if they could devote more time to each WAAAAAGH!, but the problem is "'dere's so many 'Umies ter krump, an' so litt'el time! So da' boyz gotzta make due wif' what 'dey can get!"
felixthecat345 wrote:A dragonfly.
They can fly so fast they can burst through your head and not feel a thing. So, if he forgets a helmet it could hit his brain with a little struggle. No jokes.
Uuummmm... No. Just, No. Unless this Dragonfly was the size of a .308 round (including casing) and had an exoskeleton made of pure awesome, your skull is going to win against an airborne insect.
you know a dragonfly from the Universe of 40k could take one down......easy.......everything is made of pure awesome in the World of 40k.
Uuummmm... No. Just, No. Unless this Dragonfly was the size of a .308 round (including casing) and had an exoskeleton made of pure awesome, your skull is going to win against an airborne insect.
You just described every dragonfly in exitence...
And this is why people die to dragonflies piercing their skulls at 1000 feet per second.
Doom 3 hellknight.
In 40k terms, it would be ws7 bs4 st8 t8 w5 i5 a3 ld10 and armed with crushing claws (+1 attack already included) and teeth (+1 strength +1 attack already included) and fireball (12" range plascannon)
Well, spiderman would be stuffed, Batman probably as well because he has no powers... so form this, i can conclude. The only thing capable of taking out a SM is... An intense case of Tateworm. Its the only thing logically possible.
felixthecat345 wrote:A dragonfly.
They can fly so fast they can burst through your head and not feel a thing. So, if he forgets a helmet it could hit his brain with a little struggle. No jokes.
Uuummmm... No. Just, No. Unless this Dragonfly was the size of a .308 round (including casing) and had an exoskeleton made of pure awesome, your skull is going to win against an airborne insect.
you know a dragonfly from the Universe of 40k could take one down......easy.......everything is made of pure awesome in the World of 40k.
Not really, under Jervis it's supermarines, if it was under Jes Goodwin, then everthing would suck...
Necroman wrote:But if pure awesome alone could defeat Space Marines, wouldn't Orks always win?
No. Orks are 96% pure fail and 4% ridiculous bs.
Sorry, I fething HATE Orks - stupidest race in 40k. I won't go into details as to why, but if you must know go read my WIP thread, it's in there somewhere
ps Orks are only good for their silly smiley faces
The macron from quake 4 (ws9 bs5 s10 t10 w8 a6 i5 w/ 2 plascannons + power weapons) could take down a marine, easy. As could a mancubus (ws4 bs 5 s6 t9 w6 a1 i2 ld10 w/ duo missile launchers), a vagery (ws7 bs5 s7 t7 w6 a4 i5 ld10), a bruiser (ws6 bs5 s10 t8 w5 a3 i5 ld10 w/ 2 MRPs), sgt Kelly (ws9 bs5 s10 t10 w7 aD6 i3 ld10 w/ a plascannon with large blast), the cyberdemon (bio titan ws10 bs5 strength Destroyer t10 w15 attacks however many fit under his foot w/ 1 s10 ap3 large blast 60" range ML) and the boss at the end of ressurection of evil ( ws10 bs5 s8 t9 w7 a5 i7 ld10 w/ power weapons, wings, a s7 ap1 blast heavy 3 weapon, a s7 ap3 template weapon and can call down meteor shower (counts as orbital bonboanbardlements) once every two turns) from the Doom series could all take down a SM . There pretty badass. I even gave them 40k stats!
Necroman wrote:But if pure awesome alone could defeat Space Marines, wouldn't Orks always win?
No. Orks are 96% pure fail and 4% ridiculous bs.
Sorry, I fething HATE Orks - stupidest race in 40k. I won't go into details as to why, but if you must know go read my WIP thread, it's in there somewhere
ps Orks are only good for their silly smiley faces
I agree, it was kind of ridiculous to include a race like that who would clearly be massacred by guns, and tbh the whole fluff of them is dumb. Plus, imagine 100 ork boyz are charging at you from 1km away. You have three hbs. They have short ranged sluggas and choppas. The hbs would clearly win, coz there range is probably about 5 km at least to compete with modern .50 cal mgs. Plus rapid fire, the impossibility of missing and powerful rounds.
Necroman wrote:But if pure awesome alone could defeat Space Marines, wouldn't Orks always win?
No. Orks are 96% pure fail and 4% ridiculous bs.
Sorry, I fething HATE Orks - stupidest race in 40k. I won't go into details as to why, but if you must know go read my WIP thread, it's in there somewhere
ps Orks are only good for their silly smiley faces
I agree, it was kind of ridiculous to include a race like that who would clearly be massacred by guns, and tbh the whole fluff of them is dumb. Plus, imagine 100 ork boyz are charging at you from 1km away. You have three hbs. They have short ranged sluggas and choppas. The hbs would clearly win, coz there range is probably about 5 km at least to compete with modern .50 cal mgs. Plus rapid fire, the impossibility of missing and powerful rounds.
But when is there ever just 100 boyz charging you? Its always at least 1000.....and you'll eventually run out of ammo
Pretty much any setting that has 'real' robust AI and/or nanotechnology would find pretty much anything in the 40k universe to be a light snack at best.
The one that jumps to mind the most is Neal Asher's Polity.
Necroman wrote:But if pure awesome alone could defeat Space Marines, wouldn't Orks always win?
No. Orks are 96% pure fail and 4% ridiculous bs.
Sorry, I fething HATE Orks - stupidest race in 40k. I won't go into details as to why, but if you must know go read my WIP thread, it's in there somewhere
ps Orks are only good for their silly smiley faces
I agree, it was kind of ridiculous to include a race like that who would clearly be massacred by guns, and tbh the whole fluff of them is dumb. Plus, imagine 100 ork boyz are charging at you from 1km away. You have three hbs. They have short ranged sluggas and choppas. The hbs would clearly win, coz there range is probably about 5 km at least to compete with modern .50 cal mgs. Plus rapid fire, the impossibility of missing and powerful rounds.
Exactly. And be it 100 Orks or 1000, you bring enough ammo and guns to bare and it's green goo for everyone. Plus, at the level of developement the Imperium is at, and the number of Orks per infested planet, plus the sheer size of the Galaxy (thus number of planets), Orks would probably very rarely see Humans in any form of ground combat. The Imperium would (realisticly) sit back and bombard them from orbit until it was "clean" enough to send in boots, or they'd simply Exterminatus the surface - Either way no more Orks. Also, Orks simply getting into space makes me cringe. Look at *REAL* humans today, we're highly organized, well educated and all the things the Orks AREN'T and we still have a tendency to botch our space programs (Beagle, Challanger and Columbia, Skylab early deorbiting, canceling the shuttle program....). Orks are about on-par with a Neianderthal for intelligence, and they sure as hell didn't put boots on the Moon..... Orks = Fail. Orks = We needed something for the SM's to shoot, and often. Orks = No everybody wanted to play Chaos
Orks are able to do a lot of things that technologically wouldn't be feasible because of the WAAAAUUUUUGGGGHHH!!!! psychic energy. Like flying fighta bombas in space.
I wonder how Magic the Gathering would do against Warhammer 40k; Planeswalkers are absurdly powerful (Like Demonhost or C'tan powerful) in the older fiction, but are much weaker after the mending. Space travel typically isn't achieved, but dimensional travel is. Then you have things like Yawgmoth (Giant cloud that kills things and covers a quarter of a planet) and the Eldrazi (Think C'tan who devour the existence of small universes).
A pre-mending Planeswalker would demolish a Space Marine unless the Space Marine knew his or her weakness (Scramble the brains continuously).
The reason they got into space was because the old ones knew they were screwed and so placed reccessive genes that would let an ork population thrive, no matter how bloodthirsty, power hungry, and down right stupid they are. That's why some orks show a special "knack" towards a specific task. The genes that allow them to, say fix vehicles, is in every ork but it just manifests in some more than others. Also, I think the ability to wage war on an inter-planetary scale is another drive for them to become better at wielding "teknology"
I wonder how Magic the Gathering would do against Warhammer 40k
IF you really want to know why don't you start a thread. Get opinions from all around
I'm worried it'll turn into a spamfest somewhat along the lines of, "My dad is better than your dad!" "Nu-uh!" "Yeah-huh!" "Nu-uh!"
Beside, a far more interesting idea would be putting the Magic the Gathering worlds into the Warhammer 40K verse as planets and seeing how that develops. Phyrexia will be scary, if they ever get space travel; we get something akin to Chaos/Tau/Tyranids that absorbs enemy forces to empower their own, and we also would get random portals opening and dispensing thousands of cybernetically enhanced cogboy ripoffs that for once aren't only interested in technology. Yay, another enemy for the Imperium of Man. "In the ridiculously over the top grim darkness of the future, there is only war!" The Phyrexians are grimdark, so they'll do well in Warhammer 40k.
Novelization SM vs Novelization Spartan would likely be a toss-up given weaponry and initiative on the fight.
I would assume that multiple impacts to the helmet of any space marine by spartan weaponry could render it damaged enough to warrant removal, then I would think another burst to the brainpan would likely win the fight for the spartan.
Of course, if the SM managed to get into melee range during this period, I would think the Spartan would be hard pressed to counter the SM's attacks. Both would have to be on the move during this, because a Spartan isn't going to last long being hit by Bolter shells.
Of course, this would be comparing a vanilla SM vs a vanilla Spartan. The most powerful spartan, Master Chief, I don't think could hold much of a candle to say, a Grey Knight Grandmaster or Calgar.
A vanilla SM vs a vanilla spartan would be a very fun comic to draw, although they would both need to die at the end to dissuade any violent debate.
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Samus Aran vs an SM would be an interesting battle, although it would likely be even at range, with Samus having an advantage with some weapons, once in CC, I don't think Samus would stand much of a chance. She has never had much close range defenses, nor is there any real fictionalization that leans in that direction.
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SM vs Cogs is kind of a joke, not even close. Cog weaponry is machine guns, maybe with a few lucky torque bow shots... but I'm not sure how an unmodified human is going to crack off torque bow shots while being rained upon by bolter fire. Close range the difference is even more disparate. The only thing that might stand a chance against an SM from GoW is the double-chainsaw guy which was already talked about in this thread.
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Iron man vs an SM would be interesting, although I'm not sure what weaponry Iron Man would have that could cut through the ceramite, he is a genius and could come up with something "anti-space-marine" to get the job done I'm sure. He'd have to live through the initial encounter first.
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Jedi vs SM, not sure. While on the approach, the Jedi would have to be dodging all the bolter fire, because he certainly isn't going to be deflecting it with his lightsaber. Once in range, I'm not sure how effective a lightsaber would be against ceramite (since there is armor in the SW universe that is anti-lightsaber), although it would likely cut through a chainsword, and perhaps a power-weapon. Although, a astartes is capable enough without a chainsword to crush an unmodified human with his gauntleted hands.
A Jedi vs a Librarian would be a better matchup. Although, perhaps not. I'd be putting my bets on the Lib.
An exceptionally powerful jedi may be able to use his powers, dark or light, effectively against a single SM. But if we're going to talk height-of-power-Luke, then he shouldn't be fighting a run-of-the-mill SM either. Maybe... a GK grandmaster
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There are some other good examples in this thread, but it is hard to imagine much going against a bloodthirsty SM, bearing down on something with a chainsword and bolter, other than stuff from the 40k universe. Well, other than maybe stuff from the Starcraft universe... since they are almost the same.
Just because there is some armor in Star Wars that is anti-lightsaber does not mean Ceramite is anti-lightsaber.
The closest equivalents I can think of are meltas and powerswords, and those go through Ceramite just fine.
Samus vs. a Space Marine is range-dependent; at long range, she has weapons that can create black holes and shatter reality, or power bombs that disintegrate practically anything. Up close? The marine kills her due to being stronger and faster. Still, Samus is not exactly weak in close-quarters; she did fight Ridley.
Jedi vs. Librarian depends on the Jedi. Weak jedi lose pretty easily, since they tend to not even use force powers, while strong Jedi... Well, Nihilus did wipe out a planet just by speaking. Grandmaster vs. uuber powerful Jedi? Still putting it for the jedi, but a Grandmaster is definitely a threat.
A Dalek pretty much slaughters a Space Marine, if we're using new series Daleks with the shielding/flight. They have a weapon that essentially instakills too. Of course, that's assuming the Dalek kills the space Marine instead of going into a monologue and then dying horribly when the Marine rips its head off.
Borg? They die. Borg are really no match for Space Marines. They're slow, their shielding ability does not adapt to simple punches, and they're pretty weak in comparison.
Good points necroman, I will be the first to admit my knowledge of the fluffy side of the Star Wars universe is limited to what I've seen in the movies.
daedalus-templarius wrote:Novelization SM vs Novelization Spartan would likely be a toss-up given weaponry and initiative on the fight.
I would assume that multiple impacts to the helmet of any space marine by spartan weaponry could render it damaged enough to warrant removal, then I would think another burst to the brainpan would likely win the fight for the spartan.
Of course, if the SM managed to get into melee range during this period, I would think the Spartan would be hard pressed to counter the SM's attacks. Both would have to be on the move during this, because a Spartan isn't going to last long being hit by Bolter shells.
Of course, this would be comparing a vanilla SM vs a vanilla Spartan. The most powerful spartan, Master Chief, I don't think could hold much of a candle to say, a Grey Knight Grandmaster or Calgar.
A vanilla SM vs a vanilla spartan would be a very fun comic to draw, although they would both need to die at the end to dissuade any violent debate.
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Samus Aran vs an SM would be an interesting battle, although it would likely be even at range, with Samus having an advantage with some weapons, once in CC, I don't think Samus would stand much of a chance. She has never had much close range defenses, nor is there any real fictionalization that leans in that direction.
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SM vs Cogs is kind of a joke, not even close. Cog weaponry is machine guns, maybe with a few lucky torque bow shots... but I'm not sure how an unmodified human is going to crack off torque bow shots while being rained upon by bolter fire. Close range the difference is even more disparate. The only thing that might stand a chance against an SM from GoW is the double-chainsaw guy which was already talked about in this thread.
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Iron man vs an SM would be interesting, although I'm not sure what weaponry Iron Man would have that could cut through the ceramite, he is a genius and could come up with something "anti-space-marine" to get the job done I'm sure. He'd have to live through the initial encounter first.
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Jedi vs SM, not sure. While on the approach, the Jedi would have to be dodging all the bolter fire, because he certainly isn't going to be deflecting it with his lightsaber. Once in range, I'm not sure how effective a lightsaber would be against ceramite (since there is armor in the SW universe that is anti-lightsaber), although it would likely cut through a chainsword, and perhaps a power-weapon. Although, a astartes is capable enough without a chainsword to crush an unmodified human with his gauntleted hands.
A Jedi vs a Librarian would be a better matchup. Although, perhaps not. I'd be putting my bets on the Lib.
An exceptionally powerful jedi may be able to use his powers, dark or light, effectively against a single SM. But if we're going to talk height-of-power-Luke, then he shouldn't be fighting a run-of-the-mill SM either. Maybe... a GK grandmaster
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There are some other good examples in this thread, but it is hard to imagine much going against a bloodthirsty SM, bearing down on something with a chainsword and bolter, other than stuff from the 40k universe. Well, other than maybe stuff from the Starcraft universe... since they are almost the same.
You realize Spartans use regular machine guns and battle rifles, like the cog, right? Spartans get, what, 7.62mm while Marines get 30mm rocket shells?
Retribution wrote:
You realize Spartans use regular machine guns and battle rifles, like the cog, right? Spartans get, what, 7.62mm while Marines get 30mm rocket shells?
Yes, and like I said, a genetically altered human who never misses, and could perhaps land enough shots on a SM helmet, could damage said helmet enough to allow bullets to pass into the squishy meat below. For the battle rifles and other machine guns, I foresee that as being the only way to take down an SM, the armor everywhere else is simply far too thick, and even if bullets got through, they would do little to the SMs enhanced fortitude. Now, if the Spartan had a laser, things might be different, as we could probably agree that is basically a hand-held lascannon like a devastator rolls with.
A Cog may have the same kind of machine guns and battle rifles, but they can't move a super-speed, never miss (again, we're talking about the novelization of Spartans), and have super-strength. If a Spartan surprised a SM in a melee combat, the Spartan could likely do heavy damage, as the two are probably equivalent in terms of strength, at least as much for it to matter. If the battle was a energy sword vs a power sword, I would say the battle would be a toss-up and go either way, perhaps slanted in favor of the SM since I am not sure how much blade training Spartans receive, if any.
And I believe the actual size of Bolter rounds in the fiction is .50gauge, and Heavy Bolter rounds are .75gauge.
Although, by looking at the guns you would think they fire coke-cans.
The barrel on this actually looks about right, but some of the art in the rulebooks and other stuff make the barrel look absolutely enormous.
Battle rifle fires 9.5x40mm High-Powered Semi-Armor-Piercing rounds in 3-shot bursts. A clip of 36 rounds would likely damage a SM helmet to the point where it would at least have to be removed. At least if all the rounds hit their mark. I imagine little damage would result on them hitting anywhere else.
daedalus-templarius wrote:Battle rifle fires 9.5x40mm High-Powered Semi-Armor-Piercing rounds in 3-shot bursts. A clip of 36 rounds would likely damage a SM helmet to the point where it would at least have to be removed. At least if all the rounds hit their mark. I imagine little damage would result on them hitting anywhere else.
You're fething kidding, right? 9.5x40mm shells VS a Space Marine Helmet is PRETTY MUCH THE SAME as 9.5X40mm shells vs M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank. We're talking about Armour ATLEAST 38,000 YEARS more advanced than we have RIGHT NOW. And the way SM Armour is described - it's built the same way as tank armour is now a days - layers of layers of layers of anti-ballistic heat disperion. At best a 9.5x40mm shell would ANNOY a space marine in his armour. Much the same a tank driver hears the ever amusing *PLINK!* when someone is STUPID enough to shoot their tank with small arms.
you said perhaps land enough shots.....dude by the time the gun rechambered more rounds for the spartan, he's already dead cause the marine has him in his sights and is tearing him apart with his Holier than Thou cries for the Emperor and bolter fire.
daedalus-templarius wrote:Battle rifle fires 9.5x40mm High-Powered Semi-Armor-Piercing rounds in 3-shot bursts. A clip of 36 rounds would likely damage a SM helmet to the point where it would at least have to be removed. At least if all the rounds hit their mark. I imagine little damage would result on them hitting anywhere else.
You're fething kidding, right? 9.5x40mm shells VS a Space Marine Helmet is PRETTY MUCH THE SAME as 9.5X40mm shells vs M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank. We're talking about Armour ATLEAST 38,000 YEARS more advanced than we have RIGHT NOW. And the way SM Armour is described - it's built the same way as tank armour is now a days - layers of layers of layers of anti-ballistic heat disperion. At best a 9.5x40mm shell would ANNOY a space marine in his armour. Much the same a tank driver hears the ever amusing *PLINK!* when someone is STUPID enough to shoot their tank with small arms.
Spartans would get their Gak pushed in, hard.
I imagine this would be the case everywhere else on the space marine besides the helmet, I doubt it is as heavily armored as, lets say, the chest. Enough rounds of any armor piercing ammunition would cause enough damage to disable it the systems within it, prompting its removal. AP rounds aren't going to just bounce off, they won't do damage to the chest, shoulders or legs most likely, but enough sustained fire could crack the helmet.
If you have some fiction where they actually talk about the strength of the helmet, I'll be glad to read it, but there are plenty of cases where a helmet takes just a few hits and is scrambled, necessitating its removal. I'm not exactly saying that the Battle rifle shells would breach the helmet, but would damage it enough to where the SM is forced to remove it. That would be the only chance a Spartan would have with regular weaponry.
I'm not trying to be biased to either side, but I am trying to give both sides a fair chance based on their fiction. The Spartans don't have much of a chance, so I am trying to figure out how they would succeed, even though the odds are greatly stacked against them in a fight where both are armed with standard weapons. A bolter is a hell of a lot more powerful than a battlerifle.
Commissar NIkev wrote:you said perhaps land enough shots.....dude by the time the gun rechambered more rounds for the spartan, he's already dead cause the marine has him in his sights and is tearing him apart with his Holier than Thou cries for the Emperor and bolter fire.
Don't forget that the novelization of Spartans has them move at super-speeds and perform crazy feats all the time as well. I imagine that one(spartan) may be able to avoid getting plowed by bolter shells immediately. But like I said, I don't know if they would actually be able to get a clip off either. Odds are not favorable to the spartan in this matchup without going to bigger weapons. Of course, then the SM has to have bigger weapons as well.
Doing a comic of a SM with a lascannon and a Spartan with a Spartan Laser would be kind of... boring.
daedalus-templarius wrote:A bolter is a hell of a lot more powerful than a battlerifle.
Doing a comic of a SM with a lascannon and a Spartan with a Spartan Laser would be kind of... boring.
Dude, the Battlerifle bows before the Bolter!
That wuold be a boring Comic but if there were a bunch of them fighting then that would actually be kinda cool.....well.....in my head its kinda epically playing out.
daedalus-templarius wrote:I imagine this would be the case everywhere else on the space marine besides the helmet, I doubt it is as heavily armored as, lets say, the chest. Enough rounds of any armor piercing ammunition would cause enough damage to disable it the systems within it, prompting its removal. AP rounds aren't going to just bounce off, they won't do damage to the chest, shoulders or legs most likely, but enough sustained fire could crack the helmet.
Again, this is ignoring the fact that Space Marine armour is designed to withstand high-velocity explosive impacts. The outter layer of a Space Marines Power Armour is made of Ceramite. Which, unless you're really dumb, is obviously some form of Ceramic. But not like your toilet. More like, as previously stated, an M1A2's Ceramic coating. Several thousand years more advanced... And suprise suprise, bullets bounce off of an M1A2 unless they're coming from... oh I don't know, maybe an A-10's Gau 8.
Believe me, I understand where you're coming from in trying to make things "even" or possibly even "fair" for Spartans, but the truth of the matter is a Spartan would pose as much of a threat to a SM as an IG would. More advanced weaponry, armour, tracking systems, religious indoctrination, genetic enhancement WELL BEYOND that of a Spartans... All this adds up to Master Chief Stew. It would take a lot more than a 9.5x40mm APR to render a SM's helmet unoperational. Spartans don't use Bolters or Lascanons, they use bullets, fired from standard small arms machineguns, just not anywhere near enough power.
Necroman wrote:But if pure awesome alone could defeat Space Marines, wouldn't Orks always win?
No. Orks are 96% pure fail and 4% ridiculous bs.
Sorry, I fething HATE Orks - stupidest race in 40k. I won't go into details as to why, but if you must know go read my WIP thread, it's in there somewhere
ps Orks are only good for their silly smiley faces
I agree, it was kind of ridiculous to include a race like that who would clearly be massacred by guns, and tbh the whole fluff of them is dumb. Plus, imagine 100 ork boyz are charging at you from 1km away. You have three hbs. They have short ranged sluggas and choppas. The hbs would clearly win, coz there range is probably about 5 km at least to compete with modern .50 cal mgs. Plus rapid fire, the impossibility of missing and powerful rounds.
But when is there ever just 100 boyz charging you? Its always at least 1000.....and you'll eventually run out of ammo
Necroman wrote:But if pure awesome alone could defeat Space Marines, wouldn't Orks always win?
No. Orks are 96% pure fail and 4% ridiculous bs.
Sorry, I fething HATE Orks - stupidest race in 40k. I won't go into details as to why, but if you must know go read my WIP thread, it's in there somewhere
ps Orks are only good for their silly smiley faces
I agree, it was kind of ridiculous to include a race like that who would clearly be massacred by guns, and tbh the whole fluff of them is dumb. Plus, imagine 100 ork boyz are charging at you from 1km away. You have three hbs. They have short ranged sluggas and choppas. The hbs would clearly win, coz there range is probably about 5 km at least to compete with modern .50 cal mgs. Plus rapid fire, the impossibility of missing and powerful rounds.
But when is there ever just 100 boyz charging you? Its always at least 1000.....and you'll eventually run out of ammo
If there were 1000, just get 15 hbs.
Then they fall back and return with 10 thousand orks.....
Retribution wrote:
You realize Spartans use regular machine guns and battle rifles, like the cog, right? Spartans get, what, 7.62mm while Marines get 30mm rocket shells?
Yes, and like I said, a genetically altered human who never misses, and could perhaps land enough shots on a SM helmet, could damage said helmet enough to allow bullets to pass into the squishy meat below. For the battle rifles and other machine guns, I foresee that as being the only way to take down an SM, the armor everywhere else is simply far too thick, and even if bullets got through, they would do little to the SMs enhanced fortitude. Now, if the Spartan had a laser, things might be different, as we could probably agree that is basically a hand-held lascannon like a devastator rolls with.
A Cog may have the same kind of machine guns and battle rifles, but they can't move a super-speed, never miss (again, we're talking about the novelization of Spartans), and have super-strength. If a Spartan surprised a SM in a melee combat, the Spartan could likely do heavy damage, as the two are probably equivalent in terms of strength, at least as much for it to matter. If the battle was a energy sword vs a power sword, I would say the battle would be a toss-up and go either way, perhaps slanted in favor of the SM since I am not sure how much blade training Spartans receive, if any.
And I believe the actual size of Bolter rounds in the fiction is .50gauge, and Heavy Bolter rounds are .75gauge.
Although, by looking at the guns you would think they fire coke-cans.
The barrel on this actually looks about right, but some of the art in the rulebooks and other stuff make the barrel look absolutely enormous.
Battle rifle fires 9.5x40mm High-Powered Semi-Armor-Piercing rounds in 3-shot bursts. A clip of 36 rounds would likely damage a SM helmet to the point where it would at least have to be removed. At least if all the rounds hit their mark. I imagine little damage would result on them hitting anywhere else.
Wait a minute, bolters are .75?! That's ridiculously underpowered. Realisticly, in game terms they should ID regular humans. That's what a modern day .50 does. But, I know, that would be ridiculously unfair, etc, etc, but in fluff they already do that. So everything's as it should be.
Whew! I don't understand what's bringing all the anti-ork hate. We all have a race we don't think should exist, chill. Plus, Shokk Attack Gun pwns all marines.
As for the Marine V. Spartan conversation, I don't even like Halo and I'm willing to give the Chief more than a passing nod.
Close Combat: Marine. Considering that there is no real equal to the chainsword on the Spartan side (without resorting to a energy sword, basically just a power weapon) I'm doing this one, literally, hand to hand. Simply put, Marines win this one. Marines are much bigger, so physics agrees with them, and much stronger (comes with the bigger territory) Realistically, I don't think there is much a spartan could do to hurt an armored marine in a combat such as this. Also, both are equally trained, so that doesn't matter much.
Accuracy: Equal (Both are modified to be wicked-good shots)
Firearms: Depends. If you go with both of their stock weapons (bolter for marine and battle rifle for spartan) a marine has a massive advantage at close range with his .75 calibre exploding rockets, however, at farther distances I would give spartan the nod. Firing his 9.5x40mm rounds he has superior accuracy from a distance (bolt rounds are rocket propelled, after losing their fuel, they drop like a stone, and this is why they are relatively short-ranged) but I'll admit, these rounds are a bit piddly compared to the reinforced ceramite armor, that is, unless your firer has some sort of super-human accuracy to hit weak points....
Toughness: Marine. By a lot. Spartans are engineered to be tough, and they are damn so, for human standards that is. Marines on the other hand are so far modified, they are hardly human anymore, and can take injury that would put a spartan down many times over. Extra heart, improved blood, bone chest plate..... need I go on? Spartans are tough, yeah, and they may be a modifed human, but they aren't a superhuman like a Marine.
Armor: Marine. Takes the cake, once again. I'm not sure how much detail I really need to go into, but marine armor is basically a small, human shaped tank. Spartan armor is good, great even, and may be able to stop a few bolter rounds. But Marine armor can take 9.5x40mm
all day, aside from weak points that both parties have (and so can not really be factored in)
Agility: Spartan. Spartans may not be a walking tank, but make up for it with superior speed and movement. Yeah, marine armor isn't clumsy due to black carapace, but it's still big, heavy, and restrictive. Spartans trade for protection for speed (and jumping for goodness sakes) in this matchoff.
Special Equipment: Depends. Let's face it, both can bring guns to the yard to make one another cry, and so saying one has a lascannon or one has a spartan laser is just useless. The only thing I really added this section to mention is the integral shield in the spartan armor. This is just my guessing, but I'd give a shield two to three hits, tops, from a bolter. Now this doesn't seem like much, but that's if you forget that this shield recharges. Marine armor integrity doesn't. So, to win above honor, a Spartan could potentially peek-a-boo and take shots to wear a Marine down while keeping a solid shield.
Overall, Marine gets the nod. However, with the points I made withstanding, I wouldn't count a Spartan out.
Fl@nked wrote:Whew! I don't understand what's bringing all the anti-ork hate. We all have a race we don't think should exist, chill. Plus, Shokk Attack Gun pwns all marines.
As for the Marine V. Spartan conversation, I don't even like Halo and I'm willing to give the Chief more than a passing nod.
Close Combat: Marine. Considering that there is no real equal to the chainsword on the Spartan side (without resorting to a energy sword, basically just a power weapon) I'm doing this one, literally, hand to hand. Simply put, Marines win this one. Marines are much bigger, so physics agrees with them, and much stronger (comes with the bigger territory) Realistically, I don't think there is much a spartan could do to hurt an armored marine in a combat such as this. Also, both are equally trained, so that doesn't matter much.
Accuracy: Equal (Both are modified to be wicked-good shots)
Firearms: Depends. If you go with both of their stock weapons (bolter for marine and battle rifle for spartan) a marine has a massive advantage at close range with his .75 calibre exploding rockets, however, at farther distances I would give spartan the nod. Firing his 9.5x40mm rounds he has superior accuracy from a distance (bolt rounds are rocket propelled, after losing their fuel, they drop like a stone, and this is why they are relatively short-ranged) but I'll admit, these rounds are a bit piddly compared to the reinforced ceramite armor, that is, unless your firer has some sort of super-human accuracy to hit weak points....
Toughness: Marine. By a lot. Spartans are engineered to be tough, and they are damn so, for human standards that is. Marines on the other hand are so far modified, they are hardly human anymore, and can take injury that would put a spartan down many times over. Extra heart, improved blood, bone chest plate..... need I go on? Spartans are tough, yeah, and they may be a modifed human, but they aren't a superhuman like a Marine.
Armor: Marine. Takes the cake, once again. I'm not sure how much detail I really need to go into, but marine armor is basically a small, human shaped tank. Spartan armor is good, great even, and may be able to stop a few bolter rounds. But Marine armor can take 9.5x40mm
all day, aside from weak points that both parties have (and so can not really be factored in)
Agility: Spartan. Spartans may not be a walking tank, but make up for it with superior speed and movement. Yeah, marine armor isn't clumsy due to black carapace, but it's still big, heavy, and restrictive. Spartans trade for protection for speed (and jumping for goodness sakes) in this matchoff.
Special Equipment: Depends. Let's face it, both can bring guns to the yard to make one another cry, and so saying one has a lascannon or one has a spartan laser is just useless. The only thing I really added this section to mention is the integral shield in the spartan armor. This is just my guessing, but I'd give a shield two to three hits, tops, from a bolter. Now this doesn't seem like much, but that's if you forget that this shield recharges. Marine armor integrity doesn't. So, to win above honor, a Spartan could potentially peek-a-boo and take shots to wear a Marine down while keeping a solid shield.
Overall, Marine gets the nod. However, with the points I made withstanding, I wouldn't count a Spartan out.
I agree, I think Spartan gets the nod as the next best thing. For feth's sake a Space Marine's bones are made out of ceramite; the same material as the autocannon-stopping armour he wears. Space Marines can get a sheild too (Iron-Halo) but its standard issue on spartans though.
We'll have to wait for The Ultramarine Video Game to see how high a Space Marine Can jump!
felixthecat345 wrote: Wait a minute, bolters are .75?! That's ridiculously underpowered.
Except you're forgetting they're .75 Cal -rockets-. Not Bullets. When Bolter shells hit soft targets, they activate a delay so that they penetrate the target's body and explode from within.
Plus, you've got frag rounds that burst on impact and spray metal shards everywhere, Acid rounds that spray, well, acid on impact, Napalm rounds that explode in a cloud of promethium that ignites on contact with the air, DU rounds, etc...
So no. They're not at all underpowered. Plus, if a Dragonfly can kill someone, I'm pretty sure a Bolter would wreck them, right?
And KC, Spartans and Space Marines have nothing on my Oblivion character. He could jump over City walls. No joke.
Again, this is ignoring the fact that Space Marine armour is designed to withstand high-velocity explosive impacts. The outter layer of a Space Marines Power Armour is made of Ceramite. Which, unless you're really dumb, is obviously some form of Ceramic. But not like your toilet. More like, as previously stated, an M1A2's Ceramic coating. Several thousand years more advanced... And suprise suprise, bullets bounce off of an M1A2 unless they're coming from... oh I don't know, maybe an A-10's Gau 8.
Believe me, I understand where you're coming from in trying to make things "even" or possibly even "fair" for Spartans, but the truth of the matter is a Spartan would pose as much of a threat to a SM as an IG would. More advanced weaponry, armour, tracking systems, religious indoctrination, genetic enhancement WELL BEYOND that of a Spartans... All this adds up to Master Chief Stew. It would take a lot more than a 9.5x40mm APR to render a SM's helmet unoperational. Spartans don't use Bolters or Lascanons, they use bullets, fired from standard small arms machineguns, just not anywhere near enough power.
I have a feeling a spartan would be a much more significant threat than a guardsman, being they are engineered to also have super-speed and super-strength, not to mention a shield that is basically an invulnerable save. A BR is probably more powerful than a lasgun, and a lasgun can render a Astartes helmet inoperable in a few hits (as is mentioned in several books, in addition to ballistic weapons like snub guns, etc).
If you can agree that a Battle Rifle is at least equivalently powerful to a lasgun, which it has to at least be, since there are comparisons to assault rifles in the lore itself. As for the weapons being more advanced, a bolter is certainly more boomy, but lacks the range than a long-range rifle has, they don't snipe with bolters. The Lascannon and Spartan laser are roughly equivalent. Spartan armor is weaker, but likely leaves the wearer more agile and faster than bulky marine armor, although the astartes is much more durable. However, the recharging shield would help, and could likely take at least one or two bolter rounds before failing.
This is turning into less a discussion about the relative strengths and weaknesses of Spartans and Astartes and more about why the Bolter is bigger and badder than everything else.
Lets give them both plasma from their respective universes, and see who can melt who first. Plasma in halo is absurd, same for 40k; and if that's the case, spartan wins because the shield will at least take the first shot, while the SM helmet will go all bubbly to the first plasma strike.
more advanced, a bolter is certainly more boomy, but lacks the range than a long-range rifle has, they don't snipe with bolters.
Just a quick correction: Bolters have a "Sniper Kit", which consists of a Bipod, scope, and silenced rounds. They're not as effective as a designated sniper rifle, mind you, but neither is a BR. It's been mentioned in SM Codi and the Rulebook for a few editions now under the Imperial Weapons sections.
Does anyone else see Spartans as filling a niche between Stormtroopers/Kasrkin and Marines? Sure, a Stormtrooper could take out a Marine, but the odds aren't in his favor (unless you take numbers into account)
more advanced, a bolter is certainly more boomy, but lacks the range than a long-range rifle has, they don't snipe with bolters.
Just a quick correction: Bolters have a "Sniper Kit", which consists of a Bipod, scope, and silenced rounds. They're not as effective as a designated sniper rifle, mind you, but neither is a BR. It's been mentioned in SM Codi and the Rulebook for a few editions now under the Imperial Weapons sections.
Heh, I hadn't seen that before, but I wouldn't think an explosive rocket round could have anything 'silenced' about it.
And no, a BR is also not a sniper rifle, but I imagine it has a longer effective range than a bolter, although I could be wrong. How fast do the bolt-projectiles actually travel? is there any fiction on that? They obviously don't travel as fast as a bullet... or maybe they do? Close to gyrojet speed perhaps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrYv1XAUTv0 automatic shotgun/gyrojet grenade launcher.
Retribution wrote:Does anyone else see Spartans as filling a niche between Stormtroopers/Kasrkin and Marines? Sure, a Stormtrooper could take out a Marine, but the odds aren't in his favor (unless you take numbers into account)
Sounds about right. Slap a hotshot onto a spartan and you've got a killing machine.
Er... Quick question. Why are we assuming the Spartan gets a Battle Rifle? It wasn't even developed until some time after the project, to my knowledge.
I'd say an Assault Rifle would be more Spartany, considering it and the SMG are typically the things you see Spartans carrying, and nobody likes the SMG.
For a Spartan to win, he'd have to be at mid range with a weapon suited to that range. At anything closer, bolter tears him apart or Space Marine squeezes him like a beer can.
New situation: How well would a Space Marine with a bolter, a chainsword, and infinite ammo/fuel for those weapons do in the Master Chief's place in getting the index from the Library?
Necroman wrote:New situation: How well would a Space Marine with a bolter, a chainsword, and infinite ammo/fuel for those weapons do in the Master Chief's place in getting the index from the Library?
Not too well Librarians are pretty awesome, they can pretty much melt the SMs brain as soon as he walks in. Plus they would know already since they're psychic.
CRAP! your right! The MA5B assault rifle(yea thats how EPIC it is! I still remember it and its still my favorite gun!) from the first game could PWN a Space Marine into the Eye of Terror and back 100000 times!
You dont' even have to see your target with that gun! Just pull the trigger and get in cover XD
Necroman wrote:New situation: How well would a Space Marine with a bolter, a chainsword, and infinite ammo/fuel for those weapons do in the Master Chief's place in getting the index from the Library?
Not too well Librarians are pretty awesome, they can pretty much melt the SMs brain as soon as he walks in. Plus they would know already since they're psychic.
So all you Pro-Spartans are telling me that a 9.5x40mm round is effective against a Tank, right? Cause that is EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying that a 9.5x40mm round is going to smash through armour that's as thick and durable as TANK armour. Get real. The Spartans would be a humorous footnote in the history of some Chapter, at BEST. Even on his best day a Spartan couldn't take on a Marine without a 10-1 advantage.
You tout the power of the Spartan Shield... Ok... How many rockets can it take before it goes offline for it's recharge? Probably One, MAYBE a second. Now consider the Marine would *probably* fire more than one or two shots in his opening salvo, and if those rounds connect, which they likely would (You try dodging a miniture cruise-missle), the Spartan can kiss his shield goodbye for a short period of time while the marine plays a refreshing game of "How many bolter rounds can I fit in his head before it caves in on itself and forms a singularity of awesome?"
Nuru, pump the brakes. I'm not saying a Spartan is a match for a Marine, but on a good day, he might just have his shot.
As for the shield, you missed what I said. Yes, his shield can only take one or two shots, but if said Spartan engages the Marine at medium range (just long enough to make the bolter lose accuracy and make use of his range advantage) and jumps in and out of cover to let the shield recharge, he just might have a shot.
Also
So all you Pro-Spartans are telling me that a 9.5x40mm round is effective against a Tank, right? Cause that is EXACTLY what you're saying.
No, that is not EXACTLY what we're saying. A marine is LIKE a tank, but is NOT A TANK, therefore you cannot use a tank for comparisons.
Plus, an M1 Abrams Battle Tank (a pretty tough cookie we can all agree) has an est. 52-64 in. of armor on the front facing (courtesy of Wikipedia) where a Marine has about 6-7 inches solid armor at his thickest point. The helmet however, looks to be about 2-3 inches thick, easily penetratable with modern anti-material rounds, a weaker version of what the spartan is firing. Add in the advanced ceramite/whateverium plating the helmet has, and you've got a helmet that can take a handful of AP rounds but will fail under pressure. As earlier stated, if a lasgun can do it, shouldn't a super-stubber be able to as well?
Nuruhuine wrote:So all you Pro-Spartans are telling me that a 9.5x40mm round is effective against a Tank, right? Cause that is EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying that a 9.5x40mm round is going to smash through armour that's as thick and durable as TANK armour. Get real. The Spartans would be a humorous footnote in the history of some Chapter, at BEST. Even on his best day a Spartan couldn't take on a Marine without a 10-1 advantage.
You tout the power of the Spartan Shield... Ok... How many rockets can it take before it goes offline for it's recharge? Probably One, MAYBE a second. Now consider the Marine would *probably* fire more than one or two shots in his opening salvo, and if those rounds connect, which they likely would (You try dodging a miniture cruise-missle), the Spartan can kiss his shield goodbye for a short period of time while the marine plays a refreshing game of "How many bolter rounds can I fit in his head before it caves in on itself and forms a singularity of awesome?"
Owned.
the library comment made me lol, he ment the mission in the first halo where its the cheif against swarms and swarms of flood and he has to find the index as the swarm is closing in around him....if a marine was in that spot he probably would only need a bolt pistol, his combat knife and maybe a couple grenades, and thats just for efficiency sake because nothing the flood has would even come close to killing him, but smashing with just hands would get tedious.
The main problem in a library scenario is rocket launchers and a lack of speed. Less speed means more flood swarming the Space Marine, and it means more accuracy for the Flood using rockets. And we all know a Space Marine isn't going to survive a direct rocket hit.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Spike's Deadliest Warrior needs to do Space Marine vs. Spartan Super-Soldier!
Oh, this reminds me, Deadliest warrior's at 8 for us fellas in Edmonton! Nazis are gonna tear vietcong apart!
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH FOR REMINDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where I am its at 10 so I haven't missed it....I was so close to crying when I found out I could have missed it
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Necroman wrote:
No Chance in Hell
-Aliens from Alien
NO!!!! Maybe not the first movie, but the other movies the Aliens would overwhelm them. Plus, enough acid blood would disinigrate the Space Marine's armour!
Nuruhuine wrote:So all you Pro-Spartans are telling me that a 9.5x40mm round is effective against a Tank, right? Cause that is EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying that a 9.5x40mm round is going to smash through armour that's as thick and durable as TANK armour. Get real. The Spartans would be a humorous footnote in the history of some Chapter, at BEST. Even on his best day a Spartan couldn't take on a Marine without a 10-1 advantage.
You tout the power of the Spartan Shield... Ok... How many rockets can it take before it goes offline for it's recharge? Probably One, MAYBE a second. Now consider the Marine would *probably* fire more than one or two shots in his opening salvo, and if those rounds connect, which they likely would (You try dodging a miniture cruise-missle), the Spartan can kiss his shield goodbye for a short period of time while the marine plays a refreshing game of "How many bolter rounds can I fit in his head before it caves in on itself and forms a singularity of awesome?"
Owned.
the library comment made me lol, he ment the mission in the first halo where its the cheif against swarms and swarms of flood and he has to find the index as the swarm is closing in around him....if a marine was in that spot he probably would only need a bolt pistol, his combat knife and maybe a couple grenades, and thats just for efficiency sake because nothing the flood has would even come close to killing him, but smashing with just hands would get tedious.
No. Just no. First of all he doesn't know where to hit it. He's gonna aim at that head and blow it off, before saying "Holy feth! It's up again!" Second point, his bolt pistol is eventually going to run out of ammo. Third point, he isn't going to pick up the covenant and UNSC weapons that flood have. He'll say "How can these heretical, unannoited weapons be fit for a servant of the Emperor," a second before he's killed by the flood. Fourth point, melee weapons are largley ineffective against the flood. (five melee hits on easy, if memory serves me correctly)
Long story short: No flood hunting knowledge + inevitable instance of running out of ammo + unwillingness to use inferior enemy weapons + combat knife being absolute crap against flood= dead marine on the floor, ready to turn into flood chow.
Nuruhuine wrote:So all you Pro-Spartans are telling me that a 9.5x40mm round is effective against a Tank, right? Cause that is EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying that a 9.5x40mm round is going to smash through armour that's as thick and durable as TANK armour. Get real. The Spartans would be a humorous footnote in the history of some Chapter, at BEST. Even on his best day a Spartan couldn't take on a Marine without a 10-1 advantage.
You tout the power of the Spartan Shield... Ok... How many rockets can it take before it goes offline for it's recharge? Probably One, MAYBE a second. Now consider the Marine would *probably* fire more than one or two shots in his opening salvo, and if those rounds connect, which they likely would (You try dodging a miniture cruise-missle), the Spartan can kiss his shield goodbye for a short period of time while the marine plays a refreshing game of "How many bolter rounds can I fit in his head before it caves in on itself and forms a singularity of awesome?"
Owned.
the library comment made me lol, he ment the mission in the first halo where its the cheif against swarms and swarms of flood and he has to find the index as the swarm is closing in around him....if a marine was in that spot he probably would only need a bolt pistol, his combat knife and maybe a couple grenades, and thats just for efficiency sake because nothing the flood has would even come close to killing him, but smashing with just hands would get tedious.
No. Just no. First of all he doesn't know where to hit it. He's gonna aim at that head and blow it off, before saying "Holy feth! It's up again!" Second point, his bolt pistol is eventually going to run out of ammo. Third point, he isn't going to pick up the covenant and UNSC weapons that flood have. He'll say "How can these heretical, unannoited weapons be fit for a servant of the Emperor," a second before he's killed by the flood. Fourth point, melee weapons are largley ineffective against the flood. (five melee hits on easy, if memory serves me correctly)
Long story short: No flood hunting knowledge + inevitable instance of running out of ammo + unwillingness to use inferior enemy weapons + combat knife being absolute crap against flood= dead marine on the floor, ready to turn into flood chow.
*sob sob*
When you put it into brutal reality like that. It hurts a little
I'd like to Guardsmen fight the Flood! XD
how are the flood armed with....nothing that can pierce through that amour going to kill him? also when the library thing was posted he said INFINITE AMMO so that doesnt work, also about the no prior knowledge, what about the curse of unbeliief? once the marine saw the similarities he would probably bring up the info on that and just be done with it. Speed? well a marine is easily as fast as a spartan just bulkier but he has better sensors and such to let him know the missles coming before he takes a step to the side cuz only a direct impact would have the slightest chance on piercing that armour
Also about the other weapons i have to give you that one, that would be an issue
Fl@nked wrote:Nuru, pump the brakes. I'm not saying a Spartan is a match for a Marine, but on a good day, he might just have his shot.
As for the shield, you missed what I said. Yes, his shield can only take one or two shots, but if said Spartan engages the Marine at medium range (just long enough to make the bolter lose accuracy and make use of his range advantage) and jumps in and out of cover to let the shield recharge, he just might have a shot.
Also
So all you Pro-Spartans are telling me that a 9.5x40mm round is effective against a Tank, right? Cause that is EXACTLY what you're saying.
No, that is not EXACTLY what we're saying. A marine is LIKE a tank, but is NOT A TANK, therefore you cannot use a tank for comparisons.
Plus, an M1 Abrams Battle Tank (a pretty tough cookie we can all agree) has an est. 52-64 in. of armor on the front facing (courtesy of Wikipedia) where a Marine has about 6-7 inches solid armor at his thickest point. The helmet however, looks to be about 2-3 inches thick, easily penetratable with modern anti-material rounds, a weaker version of what the spartan is firing. Add in the advanced ceramite/whateverium plating the helmet has, and you've got a helmet that can take a handful of AP rounds but will fail under pressure. As earlier stated, if a lasgun can do it, shouldn't a super-stubber be able to as well?
Fl@nked, I think you are the only one trying to use reasoning.
If a lasgun can wreck a SM helmet, a battle rifle also has the possibility of doing so, its not likely, but it is possible. End of story.
Oh and starting a spartan with a Battle Rifle instead of an Assault rifle in the interest of him not being destroyed by a much better assault weapon, a bolter. An assault rifle doesn't hold a candle to it. At least with the Battle Rifle, a Spartan might have a chance at range.
daedalus-templarius wrote:Oh and starting a spartan with a Battle Rifle instead of an Assault rifle in the interest of him not being destroyed by a much better assault weapon, a bolter. An assault rifle doesn't hold a candle to it. At least with the Battle Rifle, a Spartan might have a chance at range.
But then, aren't you just rigging the stakes?
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Necroman wrote:
No Chance in Hell
-Aliens from Alien
NO!!!! Maybe not the first movie, but the other movies the Aliens would overwhelm them. Plus, enough acid blood would disinigrate the Space Marine's armour!
Acid blood is the only defense, and it has to be at point-blank.
At any range other than point-blank... Well, you saw what happened in Aliens when the marines shot them from a distance, right?
Munch Munch! wrote:
No. Just no. First of all he doesn't know where to hit it. He's gonna aim at that head and blow it off, before saying "Holy feth! It's up again!" Second point, his bolt pistol is eventually going to run out of ammo. Third point, he isn't going to pick up the covenant and UNSC weapons that flood have. He'll say "How can these heretical, unannoited weapons be fit for a servant of the Emperor," a second before he's killed by the flood. Fourth point, melee weapons are largley ineffective against the flood. (five melee hits on easy, if memory serves me correctly)
Long story short: No flood hunting knowledge + inevitable instance of running out of ammo + unwillingness to use inferior enemy weapons + combat knife being absolute crap against flood= dead marine on the floor, ready to turn into flood chow.
My scenario gave him infinite bolter ammo/chainsword fuel, since making him pick up the human/covenant weapons diminishes the differences between Spartans and Astartes.
If he hits the Flood pretty much anywhere, they die; the bolter explosion will kill them.
Energy Sword is perfectly viable against the flood (One-shots them), as our simple things like the bladed Brute Shot in Halo 2. A chainsword won't have problems. If you give him a combat knife... Eh... Tough call there.
No, a marine taking a modern kinetic-penetrating 120 mm anti-tank round would be destroyed. And that little beauty is a common round in the real world.
People keep using the fact that Marine armor is in the future, and so is impervious to anything older than it, and that is a bad way to discount things. Don't forget that they have better technology in SOME aspects, but we have some things over on them as well. We don't need STC's. We know how machines work. And we make big guns that make all the Marines run from the yard.
Trust me, we have weapons that can pierce marine armor. Tanks, bombs, etc. We can hurt a marine.
Just not one on one...
And pray to your respective gods that you NEVER get into close combat with one.
sc0ttfree wrote:how are the flood armed with....nothing that can pierce through that amour going to kill him? also when the library thing was posted he said INFINITE AMMO so that doesnt work, also about the no prior knowledge, what about the curse of unbeliief? once the marine saw the similarities he would probably bring up the info on that and just be done with it. Speed? well a marine is easily as fast as a spartan just bulkier but he has better sensors and such to let him know the missles coming before he takes a step to the side cuz only a direct impact would have the slightest chance on piercing that armour
Also about the other weapons i have to give you that one, that would be an issue
Curse of unbelief?
I give you the point about the near invincible armour. near invincible. Also, remeber that in the library there were thousands, maybe millions of flood life forms. That armours eventually going to suffer alot of damage, letting the weapons have a greater chance of causing damage. But, for the sake of this argument, are we talking about a fully armoured sm, or a seargent with a bare head?
daedalus-templarius wrote:Oh and starting a spartan with a Battle Rifle instead of an Assault rifle in the interest of him not being destroyed by a much better assault weapon, a bolter. An assault rifle doesn't hold a candle to it. At least with the Battle Rifle, a Spartan might have a chance at range.
But then, aren't you just rigging the stakes?
I wouldn't say giving the spartan a battle rifle to start with is rigging the stakes, it is started with in the game, and used in fiction, just as much as an assault rifle.
Nuruhuine wrote:So all you Pro-Spartans are telling me that a 9.5x40mm round is effective against a Tank, right? Cause that is EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying that a 9.5x40mm round is going to smash through armour that's as thick and durable as TANK armour. Get real. The Spartans would be a humorous footnote in the history of some Chapter, at BEST. Even on his best day a Spartan couldn't take on a Marine without a 10-1 advantage.
You tout the power of the Spartan Shield... Ok... How many rockets can it take before it goes offline for it's recharge? Probably One, MAYBE a second. Now consider the Marine would *probably* fire more than one or two shots in his opening salvo, and if those rounds connect, which they likely would (You try dodging a miniture cruise-missle), the Spartan can kiss his shield goodbye for a short period of time while the marine plays a refreshing game of "How many bolter rounds can I fit in his head before it caves in on itself and forms a singularity of awesome?"
Owned.
the library comment made me lol, he ment the mission in the first halo where its the cheif against swarms and swarms of flood and he has to find the index as the swarm is closing in around him....if a marine was in that spot he probably would only need a bolt pistol, his combat knife and maybe a couple grenades, and thats just for efficiency sake because nothing the flood has would even come close to killing him, but smashing with just hands would get tedious.
No. Just no. First of all he doesn't know where to hit it. He's gonna aim at that head and blow it off, before saying "Holy feth! It's up again!" Second point, his bolt pistol is eventually going to run out of ammo. Third point, he isn't going to pick up the covenant and UNSC weapons that flood have. He'll say "How can these heretical, unannoited weapons be fit for a servant of the Emperor," a second before he's killed by the flood. Fourth point, melee weapons are largley ineffective against the flood. (five melee hits on easy, if memory serves me correctly)
Long story short: No flood hunting knowledge + inevitable instance of running out of ammo + unwillingness to use inferior enemy weapons + combat knife being absolute crap against flood= dead marine on the floor, ready to turn into flood chow.
Im sure bolter, being rockets, would do fine against flood; and im sure a chain sword or power weapon would do wonders (the plasma sword is a one hit kill after all)
I imagine that a SM with a bolt pistol/bolter and chainsword/power-weapon would do quite well against the flood.
Also, have written a script for a spartan vs SM battle, although I won't post it since I'm sure people would rage no matter how reasonable it is. Hopefully will get some art done on it soon.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Spike's Deadliest Warrior needs to do Space Marine vs. Spartan Super-Soldier!
Oh, this reminds me, Deadliest warrior's at 8 for us fellas in Edmonton! Nazis are gonna tear vietcong apart!
That was the worst episode ever. I am still fuming over it. They did the Viet Cong without the Ak-47!?! That's like simming the Samurai without a Katana or the Spartan (the real one) without a Shield. Seriously they choose a ball of mud with sticks in it over the AK-47! WTF!?!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Spike's Deadliest Warrior needs to do Space Marine vs. Spartan Super-Soldier!
Oh, this reminds me, Deadliest warrior's at 8 for us fellas in Edmonton! Nazis are gonna tear vietcong apart!
That was the worst episode ever. I am still fuming over it. They did the Viet Cong without the Ak-47!?! That's like simming the Samurai without a Katana or the Spartan (the real one) without a Shield. Seriously they choose a ball of mud with sticks in it over the AK-47! WTF!?!
Not only did they leave out the AK, but they forgot the weapon it was based off of: The Sturmgewehr 44!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Spike's Deadliest Warrior needs to do Space Marine vs. Spartan Super-Soldier!
Oh, this reminds me, Deadliest warrior's at 8 for us fellas in Edmonton! Nazis are gonna tear vietcong apart!
That was the worst episode ever. I am still fuming over it. They did the Viet Cong without the Ak-47!?! That's like simming the Samurai without a Katana or the Spartan (the real one) without a Shield. Seriously they choose a ball of mud with sticks in it over the AK-47! WTF!?!
And Germans without the MP40 or 44? I wonder how the hell they made those choices...
Yes I've been hearing alot about those nazi guns but really when it comes to the AK-47 its like having the SM vs Spartan battle we were thinking of and not having the SM have a Bolter. It's his iconic weapon. Also replace that bolter with a stick.
It wasn't the worst episode ever. It was just a very disapointing episode. No, the absolute worst episode was Pirate vs. knight. Especially the way the winner won.
Munch Munch! wrote:It wasn't the worst episode ever. It was just a very disapointing episode. No, the absolute worst episode was Pirate vs. knight. Especially the way the winner won.
I didnt mind that episode...mostly because Pirates >>> Knights
Munch Munch! wrote:It wasn't the worst episode ever. It was just a very disapointing episode. No, the absolute worst episode was Pirate vs. knight. Especially the way the winner won.
I didnt mind that episode...mostly because Pirates >>> Knights
Although yes, you would find samurai without katanas. Swords were expensive, polearms were less so.
Munch Munch! wrote:It wasn't the worst episode ever. It was just a very disapointing episode. No, the absolute worst episode was Pirate vs. knight. Especially the way the winner won.
Nah, the best deadliest warrior episode was...well... for me I have four favorites that are all equal.
The best episodes were: Mafia vs. Yakuza, Aztec Jaguar vs. Zande Warrior, Swat vs. GSG9, and Green Berets vs. Spetnaz.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Spike's Deadliest Warrior needs to do Space Marine vs. Spartan Super-Soldier!
Oh, this reminds me, Deadliest warrior's at 8 for us fellas in Edmonton! Nazis are gonna tear vietcong apart!
That was the worst episode ever. I am still fuming over it. They did the Viet Cong without the Ak-47!?! That's like simming the Samurai without a Katana or the Spartan (the real one) without a Shield. Seriously they choose a ball of mud with sticks in it over the AK-47! WTF!?!
DUDE ARE YOU INSANE!!!!!!!!!! That was the best episode EVER!!! I was wearing my unofficial commissar cap rooting for the SS all the WAY! Dude you can't complain about the AK! Germany was a weapons GOD compared to everyone else! and to my knowledge still is! if Germany used half of its weapons the Vietcong would get each of their heads shoved up their own butts! Plus, did you see that FETHING GRENADE!!!! That was a HUGE advantage! plus, the mud stuff killed dude.....just cause its not a gun doesn't mean its not awesome.....although I didnt' think it was.
When you match a Guerilla fighting army against a Technilogically superior foe, the Technology will win no doubt. Plus it only showed one battle. It really matters on the Soldiers there. Just cause the soldiers on the show won doesn't mean that all the SS soldiers would win against the VietCong!
I can't believe it took me this long to think of it, but 1 on 1, anything from the old MechWarrior series would probably be able to deal with a Marine lol
Nuruhuine wrote:I can't believe it took me this long to think of it, but 1 on 1, anything from the old MechWarrior series would probably be able to deal with a Marine lol
Odd i seem to recall someone saying something like that already...
Oh yea it was me on page 6, and you'll notice noone disputed it
Actually Mechwarrior/Battletech DOES in fact use common infantry. They'd probably lose against Marines, to say the least.
But Clan Elementals are badass, they'd put up a nasty fight against Marines, regardless of their chances of winning or losing. And anything that's actually a Mech? Marines are about as screwed as when facing off a titan. Only 'mechs typically have more weapons and are typically faster...
With the ork thing... It would be possible for an ork to take out a sm, at close range hand to hand combat, as an ork can rip a sm limb from limb with its bear hands, i believe that includes armour and all.
JAJAJAJa okay okay, but i wasn't asleep, that's my "normal" expression
Than you'd definitely win.....cause the space marine would be like "hmmm, this creature seems to be dead.....then he just walks off leaving you to call in a massive artillery strike from the Imperium's Finest Basalisks!
Then imagine that the supossed dead creature (me) at the moment point with a finger at the mehreen's helmet and say in a growl "AND YOU SHALL KNOW FEAR!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA" just trying to imagine the marine's reaction, i know by experience that i know how to be scary
My Moms Gravy (the RCMP catagorizes it as a class 5 biological weapon, and top-notch industrial solvent.)
My Grandma's Turkey (The Atacama Desert is more moist)
Mr. Creosote (OM NOM NOM YUMMY MARINE!)
2001 Monolith (I think I may have said this one before...)
Jailbot (And this one.............)
Ground Zero at Chernobyl, 1986
Yani
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (He could totaly kick a Marines ass)
Barney got a little baby named Bam Bam! Little Pebbles is his number one fan!. He's the strongest toddler in the whole land! Tear your arm off if he shake your hand!
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I think they stand a reasonable chance, they are all equipped with rail guns after all; if we try translating it to 40k we know Tau rail-rifles are S6 AP3, i'd speculate that the GDI version is significantly more powerful.
I can't remember what they're called but I'd have to say GDI's past forces in the Tiberium Wars Kane's Wrath.....they just looked cool. thats the main reason I say them.
Retribution wrote:I think they stand a reasonable chance, they are all equipped with rail guns after all; if we try translating it to 40k we know Tau rail-rifles are S6 AP3, i'd speculate that the GDI version is significantly more powerful.
Wait a minute, THAT'S Tau's STANDARD RIFLE? That's powerfuller than an IGGL!? WHAT THE F***?
Retribution wrote:I think they stand a reasonable chance, they are all equipped with rail guns after all; if we try translating it to 40k we know Tau rail-rifles are S6 AP3, i'd speculate that the GDI version is significantly more powerful.
Wait a minute, THAT'S Tau's STANDARD RIFLE? That's powerfuller than an IGGL!? WHAT THE F***?
Retribution wrote:I think they stand a reasonable chance, they are all equipped with rail guns after all; if we try translating it to 40k we know Tau rail-rifles are S6 AP3, i'd speculate that the GDI version is significantly more powerful.
Wait a minute, THAT'S Tau's STANDARD RIFLE? That's powerfuller than an IGGL!? WHAT THE F***?
Wait, what? No, that's the Tau rail-rifle, not the pulse-rifle
LordofHats wrote:My top ten from least to greatest:
Death Star
Gundam Death Scythe
Michael Weston
Legolas and his infinite never ending quiver or arrows
Jack O'Neil
The 300 Spartans
Ninjas in Florescent Orange Track Suits
Rambo
Lenny Brisco
He lives somewhere in the pacific ocean close to the Mariana Trench... aka... deepest spot on earth. He's been sleeping for a couple million years, and he rolls over from time to time he makes wierd undersea noises (wikipedia the 'bloop sound') . Read some H.P. Lovecraft. Yeah that dude could totally take a space marine.
The Odessey wrote:Clint Eastwood with a .44 magnum, aka the most powerful handgun in the UNIVERSE!
Come on -_-
We all know that Clint Eastwood with a twig could beat a space marine.....he needs no weapon to kick ass....He's Friggin Clint Eastwood!!!!!
Guitardian wrote:He lives somewhere in the pacific ocean close to the Mariana Trench... aka... deepest spot on earth. He's been sleeping for a couple million years, and he rolls over from time to time he makes wierd undersea noises (wikipedia the 'bloop sound') . Read some H.P. Lovecraft. Yeah that dude could totally take a space marine.
The bloop sound is scary for me... But only because we don't know what the hell it actually is. It has to be living, yet no living thing could make such a sound.
The Odessey wrote:Clint Eastwood with a .44 magnum, aka the most powerful handgun in the UNIVERSE!
Come on -_-
We all know that Clint Eastwood with a twig could beat a space marine.....he needs no weapon to kick ass....He's Friggin Clint Eastwood!!!!!
I dunno at his age? I think hes too old and its probably time to retire...
Yeah but they say the same about good ol' chuck but I still wouldnt pick a fight with him either. Some people play toughguy roles in movies, like Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson, but we all know they are just actors and I could probably take 'em...some just are tough and scary, so they get cast in toughguy roles. I think Clint is one of those second category kind of guys.
Here's a thought, just to keep it going: Eric Cartman. That guy fooled a 5th grader that was picking on him into eating his own parents at a chili cookoff in one episode... the final one liner on that episode was "I think we all learned something today..." followed by "yeah don't piss off cartman!"
Guitardian wrote:Yeah but they say the same about good ol' chuck but I still wouldnt pick a fight with him either. Some people play toughguy roles in movies, like Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson, but we all know they are just actors and I could probably take 'em...some just are tough and scary, so they get cast in toughguy roles. I think Clint is one of those second category kind of guys.
Here's a thought, just to keep it going: Eric Cartman. That guy fooled a 5th grader that was picking on him into eating his own parents at a chili cookoff in one episode... the final one liner on that episode was "I think we all learned something today..." followed by "yeah don't piss off cartman!"
