The brute reminds me of the original House of the Dead video game and in a good way
Just in time for the VC launch to find his way in. Only complaint on the brute is the legs look skinny in comparison to the upper body, but I remember my boss from an old job. He was insanely buff, but his lower legs looked like match sticks. Not uncommon with some body builders.
I love the troll standard-bearer, but I don't get the standard.
LOOOOOOVE the manticore.
At first I thought, "Why is the stinger upside-down?" Then I imagined it in flight and it all made perfect sense. It's little touches like that I really wish I saw more of in miniatures.
I will probably buy the Manticore (I have the GW ones and the Raging heroes one) as a mount for my Dark Elves.
That said, I do find it somewhat disappointing.
The sculpted pose is more "creeping" than stalking - and nowhere near as dynamic as in the concept.
Also, IMHO the wing "arms" are way to thin to support the weight of this fat cat - and the claws not big/monstrous enough.
Finally - the whole thing looks more like a ordinary lion that someone have glued wings and tail to - than an animal that have had those features from birth.
Th RH one is superior (but rather small compared to GW).
JOHIRA wrote:I love the troll standard-bearer, but I don't get the standard.
LOOOOOOVE the manticore.
At first I thought, "Why is the stinger upside-down?" Then I imagined it in flight and it all made perfect sense. It's little touches like that I really wish I saw more of in miniatures.
A scorpion's stinger is set up just like that on the mini.
JOHIRA wrote:I love the troll standard-bearer, but I don't get the standard.
LOOOOOOVE the manticore.
At first I thought, "Why is the stinger upside-down?" Then I imagined it in flight and it all made perfect sense. It's little touches like that I really wish I saw more of in miniatures.
A scorpion's stinger is set up just like that on the mini.
Huh, I stand corrected. I would have thought a scorpion stinger would have curved downward, not up, so as to more easily penetrate prey.
I've bought two things from this range (Troll King and the not-a-Ghorgon) and I'm quite pleased with the quality. There's a reasonable amount of resin cleanup to do, but in my experience the fit is better than Forgeworld. The plugs and resin blobs and everything are in tucked away places and are easy to tidy up. The resin is harder stuff and I haven't seen any of the bubbling or cruddiness that I've seen with Finecast. I'd happily buy more of them.
Keep your eyes peeled on Friday guys, we have Creoda Guthwulf up for pre-order - he's a beauty! Allan has done an excellent job on the sculpt, in fact it's one of my faves ever!
Some of their prices seem really reasonalbe (maybe except the one at 99,99 $). But everything else is kinda cool price-wise. And to be honest, if I had to use a Great Unclean One, I would use their model that looks like one rather than the one of GW and FW.
Maelstrom Games wrote:Creoda fits a 50mm base - he's large for a 50mm but as he as 2 feet and one arm on the ground relatively close together he's a comfortable fit.
I have been holding back from purchasing any of the Banebeast mostly because of lack of free time for my modelling projects, but after seeing this big bad wolf I will just let all my defences down.
When will it become available? And most importantly, can we have a photo of the actual model! PLEASE?!
CREODA, GÚTHWULF
Sometimes within the memories of Creoda are reflections of his previous life, his life amongst the humans he once ruled and now barely comprehends, but those memories are fleeting and never remain. Sometimes, his descendants say, he can hear and understand what is said to him, what is needed of him, for he recognises his children the most, seeing – perhaps only vaguely – they are his kin and that they need him and his ever-increasing strength. Perhaps, as the whispers go, he understands, too, that he is but a few turns further along the path that Cearl and Penda now tread, and thus sees himself at an earlier age. Even his children, however, cannot control him. They can only ask of him what they will, and Creoda will listen or he will not. It is, as the Wiglereas suggest, impossible to predict which part of him is dominant, for the power of Wōden gains greater ascendancy with each passing day and it becomes more and more difficult for a Gúthwulf as advanced as he to be a part of anything but the hunt in the wilds, the herald of grief and desolation, the call of the Old Gods in this age of darkness and ruin. Ere long he will return to Wōden himself to repay his ancient debt; until then, he answers to the call of war, of slaughter, a call that becomes ever greater as the needs of his sons grow.
Woooohoooo. Finally! Can we please get some hints for the ones that come on Monday as well? I need to know, if I should postpone my order till then or go for the wolf now!
Since you are in your answering mood , I remember that I had seen somewhere the concept sketch of yet another wolf. Is it true or am I experiencing post-werewolf-OMG-stress?
Could you please re-post the picture here and let us know when to expect the second beastie too?
Some more questions:
-Early this year or laaaaaateeeer? Give us a date to feed our addiction.
-Is he gonna be as big as the guy released today or humanish size?
-Are any more guys from this faction coming (preferably wolves)? And are they the ones who ally with the trolls or not?
P.S. : I lost my Ld check, I am putting an order later today, when I return from work.
Haha. You're looking at May or June, something like that, although he could be available at Salute. He'll be monstrous, larger than a human, on a 40mm base.
Yes, the Anglians of Mercia will have lots more miniatures, including wolves; the Trolls are Norse, so they're most definitely not allies!
Maelstrom Games wrote:Haha. You're looking at May or June, something like that, although he could be available at Salute. He'll be monstrous, larger than a human, on a 40mm base.
Yes, the Anglians of Mercia will have lots more miniatures, including wolves; the Trolls are Norse, so they're most definitely not allies!
Cheers
Cheers for the heads up! Whip your sculptor and force him to have the other wolf-guy ready for March. Take my money before I spend them for food, rent and these kind of trivialities.
Allies or not of the Norse, I am going to buy the Jotun with the huge hammer. Any clue about when this model in coming available?
P.S.: I have mentioned it before, but you REALLY need to publish an artbook with the concept sketches.
Anatomically the guthwulf doesn't make sense to me: Wolfish hindlegs that are not adapted to upright walking plus human arms/shoulders/hands that are not adapted to walking on all fours. But then again, most of the recent releases don't appeal to me.
Kroothawk wrote:Anatomically the guthwulf doesn't make sense to me: Wolfish hindlegs that are not adapted to upright walking plus human arms/shoulders/hands that are not adapted to walking on all fours. But then again, most of the recent releases don't appeal to me.
Yea, now that you mention it, I don't see why he is supporting himself on a fist instead of on his finger tips or palm. It seems to me he should move more like a wrestler and less like an ape of some sort.
Kroothawk wrote:Anatomically the guthwulf doesn't make sense to me: Wolfish hindlegs that are not adapted to upright walking plus human arms/shoulders/hands that are not adapted to walking on all fours. But then again, most of the recent releases don't appeal to me.
And if you took all of that away, it would just be.. a wolf.
Wehrkind wrote:I don't see why he is supporting himself on a fist instead of on his finger tips or palm. It seems to me he should move more like a wrestler and less like an ape of some sort.
Fist to floor/ground is also used by many Sumo wrestlers. Doesn't bother me.
Glad you like Vilthiss guys - we think he's awesome!
Okay, some answers to various questions...
Praetor24:
Mjagnir is coming over the summer, he's in progress now. As to a sketch book, I tell you what - you pay for it, we'll publish it, how's that? ;o)
AgeOfEgos:
'Gators? We're not doing any 'gators. If you mean crocodilians, well, Megálávra, Krokodar Slaughterer will be unveiled next month.
Bobilero:
Yea, there'll also be a fourth and a fifth Troll - but that will be towards the back end of the year. The Tarvax question gets the same answer, and the Gabrax Warlock will be released at some point in 2012.
Maelstrom Games wrote:Silent25,
Check out the website for news on why Æthelglyth hasn't made it today...
Boooo!!!
Maelstrom Games wrote:
...and for some very naughty sneak peeks of next month's BaneBeasts!
Guesses as to what they are most gratefully received.
Cheers
Rob
Somewhat excited, but see the model appears to be walking on the back of its hands. That ruined the Sea Devil for me. Does that even occur with animals in nature?
Tease! These look different to the concept basilisk or crocodile concepts. Kraan looks amazing though!
I'd say Gwyfern is very much a wyvern of the Brythons faction. Also, I seem to remember the possibility of a dragon mentioned in some of the previews.
Shaaroc looks like one of the Khthones, however I can clearly see Baalor's eye. So some kind of knucklewalking sea nasty. Maybe even a lords mount? Hmm, confused and excited!
silent25 wrote:Somewhat excited, but see the model appears to be walking on the back of its hands. That ruined the Sea Devil for me. Does that even occur with animals in nature?
From the mighty Wikipedia:
Knuckle-walking tends to evolve when the fingers of the forelimb are specialized for tasks other than locomotion on the ground. In the gorilla the fingers are used for the manipulation of food, and in chimpanzees for the manipulation of food and for climbing. In anteaters and pangolins the fingers have large claws for opening the mounds of social insects. Platypus fingers have webbing that extend past the fingers to aid in swimming, thus knuckle-walking is used to prevent stumbling.
Since the fomorians have been described as sea creatures my assumption would be that both the knuckle-walks are just that. I would also check out videos of walrus and seals walking on dry land, they don't technically knuckle-walk but do have that seemingly awkward "backwards hand" walk.
Animals that originated on land and then moved to an aquatic existence often walk on their wrists like that. Think seals and walruses and stuff. And since the sea devil is based on a prehistoric aquatic reptile that has a similar bone structure to a seal or a walrus, it makes sense that it would walk on it's hands. So in that sense, I think it looks cool. The thing that bothers me I suppose is that having dealt with seals and so on a fair bit, I can imagine how easy it would be for something of a more terrestrial nature to sidestep the beasties clumsy assaults and then stab it.
Da Boss wrote:Animals that originated on land and then moved to an aquatic existence often walk on their wrists like that. Think seals and walruses and stuff. And since the sea devil is based on a prehistoric aquatic reptile that has a similar bone structure to a seal or a walrus, it makes sense that it would walk on it's hands. So in that sense, I think it looks cool. The thing that bothers me I suppose is that having dealt with seals and so on a fair bit, I can imagine how easy it would be for something of a more terrestrial nature to sidestep the beasties clumsy assaults and then stab it.
My problem and complaint isn't that it's walking on it's hands, it's walking on the back of it's hands. The weight of the body is being supported by the back of the wrist.
You can see from the sea devil, the palms are facing upward, not downward. It is like trying to do a push-up on the back of your wrists, not the base of your palm.
Seals rest on the "palms" of their flippers. All the picture show them in a forward pointing direction.
Plus I assault you with cute and therefore automatically win my argument!
Looking closer at the preview image, realize now the model is resting on it's knuckles, not the back of it's palm. So my potential complaint about the figure is withdrawn.
Zedmeister,
Shaaroc... Khthones... not. He's Baalor's toy. Gwyfern, you are correct - he's Welsh.
Da Boss,
Yes, you are correct: individuals could easily sidestep Keirioc-cró. But entire shieldwalls? Well... no.
Silent25,
Shaaroc's other three limbs do not walk on their wrists... his left forelimb is merely resting his knuckle ;o)
As for Keirioc-cró walking on his wrists, well - he wasn't designed for war. He was designed for the sea. Do the Fomorians care? No!
I'm really glad you guys have commented on Typhaggahw and Shaaroc, it shows you're interested! Which is brilliant. Sometimes it's easy for us - we are fascinated by our own creations - and it's great that you guys get fascinated (perhaps that's too much - maybe, interested?) in them too.
Regardless, there'll be some more teasers later on in the week.
silent25, whilst your analogy to seals is interesting, as a professor of fantastical marine biology, I can assure you that due to the fused and reinforced carpel bones and the sliding plate of carpels locking with the incredibly dense weight bearing ulna of the forelimb on the sea devil, it's limb is entirely suited to being folded back like that, in fact, if it tried to weight bear on that limb pointed forward, the carpel plate would snap and it would be crippled. That's a scientific fact.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:silent25, whilst your analogy to seals is interesting, as a professor of fantastical marine biology, I can assure you that due to the fused and reinforced carpel bones and the sliding plate of carpels locking with the incredibly dense weight bearing ulna of the forelimb on the sea devil, it's limb is entirely suited to being folded back like that, in fact, if it tried to weight bear on that limb pointed forward, the carpel plate would snap and it would be crippled. That's a scientific fact.
Does that help at all?
Did you miss the part where I posted pictures of cute animal?
You're arguing against poor baby and a furry log! Such cruelty to animal!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:silent25, whilst your analogy to seals is interesting, as a professor of fantastical marine biology, I can assure you that due to the fused and reinforced carpel bones and the sliding plate of carpels locking with the incredibly dense weight bearing ulna of the forelimb on the sea devil, it's limb is entirely suited to being folded back like that, in fact, if it tried to weight bear on that limb pointed forward, the carpel plate would snap and it would be crippled. That's a scientific fact.
Does that help at all?
Why do I have the unbearable impulse to cry out "You just got home-schooled!"
Though considering we are talking about mythical/fantasy creature can't we just leave it at "It evolved like that due to it's own localised factors in its home universe" and be done with it? Its when they release the second seadevil that is contradictory to the first that we can rail about shenanigans.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:silent25, whilst your analogy to seals is interesting, as a professor of fantastical marine biology, I can assure you that due to the fused and reinforced carpel bones and the sliding plate of carpels locking with the incredibly dense weight bearing ulna of the forelimb on the sea devil, it's limb is entirely suited to being folded back like that, in fact, if it tried to weight bear on that limb pointed forward, the carpel plate would snap and it would be crippled. That's a scientific fact.
Does that help at all?
Why do I have the unbearable impulse to cry out "You just got home-schooled!"
Though considering we are talking about mythical/fantasy creature can't we just leave it at "It evolved like that due to it's own localised factors in its home universe" and be done with it? Its when they release the second seadevil that is contradictory to the first that we can rail about shenanigans.
I will obviously have to send my trained killer assassins after you to quite this debate.
You shall be nibbled to death.
I think Æthelglyth looks pretty cool, looking forward to seeing the painted version. Is it odd that for no apparent reason I'm tempted to get her for my Warriors of Chaos army? Most likely.
I'm loving the teasers for the two beasts, the first one kind of reminds me of Todd McFarlane's work, for some reason. Please note that is not a bad thing, but in my eyes, a very, very good thing.
Piston Honda wrote:I got 2 of these minis in yesterday. Beyond impressive. On the level Infinity and Mercs minis. Kind of afraid to paint them.
Too bad they will no longer be producing the bigger minis once they are sold out, really want to get the 4 armed Minotaur. Shucks.
I thought that only applied to some of the large models.
Not sure if it is some or all of the big minis.
Just know I am boned at getting that 4 armed Minotaur. Not that I have the money right now, but would have loved to get it some time this year. That's the life a minis collector, sometimes rougher than comic book collecting.
Piston Honda wrote:Just know I am boned at getting that 4 armed Minotaur. Not that I have the money right now, but would have loved to get it some time this year. That's the life a minis collector, sometimes rougher than comic book collecting.
Wait, so Galagaak isn't going away? Because I've wanted to pick the dude up for a good long time, and did some heavy scheming today to fit him into my ogres (STONEHORN), but figured I'd wait for the next Maelstrom discount time to pull that trigger.
Piston Honda wrote:Just know I am boned at getting that 4 armed Minotaur. Not that I have the money right now, but would have loved to get it some time this year. That's the life a minis collector, sometimes rougher than comic book collecting.
Wait, so Galagaak isn't going away? Because I've wanted to pick the dude up for a good long time, and did some heavy scheming today to fit him into my ogres (STONEHORN), but figured I'd wait for the next Maelstrom discount time to pull that trigger.
- Salvage
Their store says he is no longer available. Not sure if there are other stores that carry their products.
But have read their older big models can't be produced again because the masters were destroyed.
Just have to search ebay every now and then in the future. Probably pay more than I did for Wyrd's Lord Chompy Bits I bought for an xmas present. This feels like collecting football cards all over again.
Ahhhh you're talking about Angalaak, the first ox-gore who certainly was discontinued, not Senor Nutsack It actually looks like Galagaak is one of the best stocked beats in the store at the moment!
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Shaaroc is casting up rather nicely at the moment and the Gwyfern is on the way also, expect some groovy pics of both soon where all will be unveiled!
We have no plans to discontinue any of our current range - the older first run of BaneBeasts made way for the new breed! So worry ye not, for the big lads will have miniatures added, rather than taken away.
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Maelstrom Games wrote:Your 16% off UK RRP discount voucher ends on Monday the 5th of March 2012 at midnight (GMT)
Stay tuned for full shots and pre-order info of the 2 previewed BaneBeasts on Friday -
When will the new Dragyri Hailkin releases from Dark Age games be up? I had in mind to place an order along with some other items but was holding off until they were available...
April is going to be a very special month for us, as not only are we attending Salute 2012 down in London, we’re also releasing two incredible BaneBeasts – Typhaggahw, Gwyfern of Ceredigion and Shaaroc, Reviled Draackox! It’s Typhaggahw we turn our attention to first, a little earlier than usual but that’s simply because we couldn’t wait to unveil him a moment longer.
Typhaggahw (pronounced “Tuh-cigarette-a-hoo”), as many of you have already guessed from our sneak peeks, is a wyvern – what the Brythons call a gwyfern (pronounced “gwuh-vern”) from the region known as Ceredigion (pronounced “Keh-reh-dig-ee-on”). Those pronunciations are for everybody but the Welsh, by the way, as Typhaggahw is most decidedly a Brythonic beast!
Realised in artwork form by a newcomer to our range but much more renowned in the wargaming world, Des Hanley, Typhaggahw has been a joy from start to not-quite-finished; Des’ work is simply superb and Roberto Chaudon’s sculpt is absolutely breathtaking and very large indeed – just check out that scale shot and see how small Guillaume le Pèlerin is next to him! Typhaggahw is an outstanding addition to our already outstanding range of large beasties, and Raffaele Picca’s paintjob, we know, will also be fantastic… when he paints him, that is, as he’s busy on Creoda and a yet-to-be-released BaneLord.
No saddle - bu if that sort of thing rocks your boat a few snips with some clippers to remove some spines on the neck should provide a good seating area for a suitably sized rider.
Base is 100mm square - I've just had a play with the kit and he can also scale down to a 50mm wide base. Distance between inside of toes on each foot closest to closest point is about 48mm, so with a bit of slate/cork you can get him to fit say a 50mm sq or a 50mm wide x 100mm long quite easily.
Whooooooooooa . I like Shaaroc a Lot. I've been planning to convert a model for Kholek (the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth character for Warriors of Chaos). This is almost perfect... a catch is that Kholek is probably technically supposed to be on a 50mm base (a normal shaggoth is), but I doubt people would care with a model this cool (and the fact that only hold-over old monsters like the Shaggoth are actually on 50mms anymore).
I'm assuming the base pictured is 50x100?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........
You won't have any presence at Adepticon in the US in April, will you? Assuming not, is the shipping that's included worldwide, or what's the charge to ship to the US?
The base size is 60x100 though he could also fit a 50x100.
Unfortunately (as I'd really like to go!) we won't be at Adepticon this year - Maybe one year! However we do ship free of charge to the US (and other overseas) for all orders over £10($16) so shipping is cool. We also have retailers in the US and Canade now as well check our retailers list on our blog for more info (right hand side) http://banelegions.maelstromgames.co.uk/?tag=bnb-024
If the 2 BaneBeasts aren't enough there will be some hot BaneLord on BaneLord action for you on Monday!
Maelstrom Games wrote:Your 16% off UK RRP discount voucher ends on Monday the 5th of March 2012 at midnight (GMT)
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I'll be ordering Shaaroc on Monday, then . Just going to wait and see what the Banelords look like, although I probably won't need one- Kholek doesn't suffer a ride
Maelstrom Games wrote:Your 16% off UK RRP discount voucher ends on Monday the 5th of March 2012 at midnight (GMT)
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I'll be ordering Shaaroc on Monday, then . Just going to wait and see what the Banelords look like, although I probably won't need one- Kholek doesn't suffer a ride
I like how you're thinking there - I am tempted to get him to for all my Counts As Kholek needs!
I was a bit so-so on The Reviled One, but the more I look at him the more I like. Rocking lizard body and though the pose was a turn off at first, I dig the dynamism of it. Speaking of:
Johnny-Crass wrote:Like either it is shouting or idk....
More like singing, as he kills the living fakk out of all things large and small
RiTides wrote:I'll be ordering Shaaroc on Monday, then
Wehrkind wrote:Shouldn't Æthelglyth's sword be attached to her hip somewhere? Is that just an error in putting her together?
Not necessarily. It's not unknown for a swordsman to hold his sword, rather than attach it to his belt. When it's time to use it, just rip off and discard the sheath while charging in.
Pre-ordered Shaaroc! Bummer that the discount code only reduces from RRP- only saved a few pounds since it was already discounted due to being a pre-order. Still not a bad deal, though.
RiTides wrote:Pre-ordered Shaaroc! Bummer that the discount code only reduces from RRP- only saved a few pounds since it was already discounted due to being a pre-order. Still not a bad deal, though.
Boss Salvage wrote:BaneBeasts for everyone!
You know you're a trend setter
Hah, I've got a ton of the Banelords (Just received Æthelglyth - stunning model, but looks sooo fragile) but am yet to invest in any banebeasts as yet - keirioc-cró, Flint Fang, Maru and now Shaaroc are on my wish list, but I never seem to have the cash at the time I seem to be liking Fomorians but I'm still waiting to see the first Érainn faction model come out or even one of the Byzantia Banelords (Fantasy Dark Age Romans? Yes please!).
On an aside, whilst looking at Shaaroc on Maelstrom, I spotted a link in the related items list to this: Megálávra, Krokodar Slaughterer. Possibly banelords reveal later?
I was thinking the same! However, I like the less-uniform scales on the back much more than the ones on the front... although it might look really nice painted up.
Nice. Khthones do seem to be getting a lot of love lately like the Formorians. Also, now we know where the head from Conjunct XIII came from. Just waiting to see what a Jötunn (Norse Giant) and a Wyrm looks like as well as where those tendrils on its back come from...
I like the pose and all, but something about those scales and the line right up the front makes it look like a guy in a costume. Add a small zip up the top, and it would be. But i love your snake dudes.
And a little belatedly (apologies we're a little busy at the mo!) here's Uggurd.
Each and every Brute is a singular, inhuman example of the strange form of madness that lies within the minds of the Ysian Fleshsmiths, a madness seemingly unbound by nature herself, and Uggurd is no exception to the rest of his bastard kin. Born merely a human yet wrought into something both greater and lesser through a complex process of growth and seed and meld, Uggurd's capacities have become limited to little more than a living weapon, for whilst the agony of his changes has destroyed his mind and killed all emotion, the creature he has joined has given him the speed and ferocity - as well as the scaled, flaking skin - of a monitor-creature, a lizard-thing that even his creators can say nothing of. With his mutation, a little armour, battered maybe but still useful, and a terrible sickle-sword, a falx-blade of immense length, are enough for Uggurd to have become noted and feared upon the field by both his allies and his foes, enough for him to have become a vital part of a marauding host that may yet be limited in number but is still a force to be dreaded.
When I saw "falx" I squealed with glee, like I'd been given a caramel Cadbury egg. Then I saw which side of the blade the edge was on and I let out a sigh of disappointment, like I'd discovered the caramel in my Cadbury egg had been replaced with month-old mayonnaise.
JOHIRA wrote:When I saw "falx" I squealed with glee, like I'd been given a caramel Cadbury egg. Then I saw which side of the blade the edge was on and I let out a sigh of disappointment.
That does seem poorly researched. The concept art seems to be bladed on both sides at least.
The model is very nice though, lost the ponderous power of the art but still nice.
It's really bizarre and cool! I like it a lot. Really interesting concept and model, good work again Maelstrom. With all the great brands on your online store and these awesome Banelegions minis, my wallet will cry many time
JOHIRA wrote:When I saw "falx" I squealed with glee, like I'd been given a caramel Cadbury egg. Then I saw which side of the blade the edge was on and I let out a sigh of disappointment.
That does seem poorly researched. The concept art seems to be bladed on both sides at least.
I can't believe nobody pointed that out to the sculptor before it was ready for sale.
Da Boss wrote:Yeah, it'd be easy enough to file into a sharp edge, if that's what you want.
You'd also have to rotate the blade around, and I'd probably want to beef up the current edge side just so it doesn't look double edged. Now that's not a ton of work, but for premium minis like Banebeasts I really would rather not have to.
Of course it all comes down to the name. If it was a "big-ass sword" brute we wouldn't be having this conversation. And since I don't think the Ysians are supposed to be ancient Dacians, it's not like the historical footnote really matters. I just point it out because Banebeasts is normally pretty exceptional quality and this is a slip I hope will not be repeated.
Wow, you guys are sharp- I wouldn't have realized anything was amiss. I guess meaning no one else probably would if you put this mini on the table without the label
Agree the concept art is amazing, but the model's not bad!
Guys,
I think you're getting a bit hung up on the word "falx", especially when you talk about the "Dacian falx". It's actually just a shortened version of "falcata", because "falcata-brute" doesn't sound quite so... brutal.
In the brief, the artist and sculptor were given this image to work from:
...but obviously changed it somewhat and enlarged it.
<shrug> Always remember that this is fantasy. It amuses me that little historical details like this are picked over in the same thread as discussions about giant crocodile-men and mutated humans!
I would love a collection of the background for your world, because the stuff that's being built in the "flavour text" for the releases is really intriguing.
And this is why I don't play historicals. I once witnessed an argument over the colouring of some infantry between two men. The reason? Because that colour wasn't introduced until 10 years after the battle they are re-playing. Pah.
Maelstrom Games wrote:Da Boss,
Thank you, I'm glad you like the background; there will be a collection of it eventually, in the shape of a lovely big fancy rulebook... ;o)
Cheers
Rob
And boy, am I looking forward to it. Not been this excited over some concepts, background and upcoming game since the mid 90's!
While a good point, you don't want to go the other way, either- fantasy isn't license to make things that just don't make any sense, even in an imaginary way. I don't think this fits that bill, though!
The only bummer for me is that it falls a bit short of the concept art, which has such an amazing feel to it.
Hi guys
Glad you like Krull! He's pretty damn awesome in the flesh, believe me - Ben has done a superb job. I believe it's the best paint job I have ever, ever seen, and I've seen painted miniatures for a very long time!
Full painted images will be up at some point next week, which will show him in all his heavenry grory (quick Enter the Dragon quote, there).
If you're feeling flush, make sure you grab him over the next week or so - our 16% off RRP voucher won't last forever...!
Expect full painted artwork for Vilthiss, Talos, Ungefelic, Creoda and Uggurd very shortly, too...!
Maelstrom Games wrote:Guys,
I think you're getting a bit hung up on the word "falx", especially when you talk about the "Dacian falx". It's actually just a shortened version of "falcata", because "falcata-brute" doesn't sound quite so... brutal.
In the brief, the artist and sculptor were given this image to work from:
...but obviously changed it somewhat and enlarged it.
<shrug> Always remember that this is fantasy. It amuses me that little historical details like this are picked over in the same thread as discussions about giant crocodile-men and mutated humans!
Cheers
Rob
Falx isn't short for falcata. It is Latin for scyth or sickle. It refers to the blade being curved and sharpened on the inside. The blade on that model is sharpened on the outside of the curve, and so is neither falx nor falcata.
Say what you want about it being a fantasy miniature, but you might as well call it an "ax-brute" for all the sense the name makes. Just because the word doesn't mean much to you, doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything to anyone.
Wehrkind,
Thank you, but it would be impossible for you to know whether a word means anything to me or not. You're being extremely presumptuous, rude and pretty offensive.
The fact is, I know perfectly well what "falx" means, just as I know what "falcata" means, but as "falcata" comes from "falcatus" ("falcata" is the feminine case of the word) which in turn is derived from "falx" (just like "falchion" is and indeed "falcon", thanks to the falcon's hooked beak), I feel it is perfectly reasonable to use "falx" instead of "falcata".
Additionally, as "falcata" actually means "armed with a falx" (i.e., is a passive word) and only became a noun thanks to our genius for taking words and changing their meaning (how amazing that is), "falx" is probably the best name for his weapon, regardless as to what the Dacians did with their falxes (and yes that is the correct plural for the word "falx").
Any more etymology lessons? Good. Now let's talk about miniatures.
Maelstrom Games wrote:Wehrkind,
Thank you, but it would be impossible for you to know whether a word means anything to me or not. You're being extremely presumptuous, rude and pretty offensive.
The fact is, I know perfectly well what "falx" means, just as I know what "falcata" means, but as "falcata" comes from "falcatus" ("falcata" is the feminine case of the word) which in turn is derived from "falx" (just like "falchion" is and indeed "falcon", thanks to the falcon's hooked beak), I feel it is perfectly reasonable to use "falx" instead of "falcata".
Additionally, as "falcata" actually means "armed with a falx" (i.e., is a passive word) and only became a noun thanks to our genius for taking words and changing their meaning (how amazing that is), "falx" is probably the best name for his weapon, regardless as to what the Dacians did with their falxes (and yes that is the correct plural for the word "falx").
Any more etymology lessons? Good. Now let's talk about miniatures.
Cheers
I apologize if I came across as offensive. People saying the meaning of words is irrelevant because it is fantasy is one of my pet peeves.
However, saying that falx is the best name for a weapon that is sharpened on the outside of the curve as opposed to the inside is just silly, and demonstrates that you do not understand why falx was the word used to describe weapons like the falx or falcata. The word is referencing the fact that they are sharp on the inside of the curve, like a scythe or sickle, not necessarily the shape of the blade. You might argue that it refers to any curved blade, but then you trip over issues of sabers and the like.
Again, the weapon in that fellows' hands is not like a falcata, nor is it a falx. Call it what you will, but people who actually know a thing or two about historic weapons and their current appellations are going to call you on it. As I said, you may as well call it an ax for all the accuracy there. In that way it is quite possible to know whether the word means anything to you, at least in the sense of using it correctly. You use it incorrectly, and thus it is sensible to figure that it doesn't mean much to you, though perhaps you do know better, and are simply arguing that you used it correctly because you don't want to admit fault?
And the winner for "Most tedious flamewar in 2012" goes to.... WEHRKIND! Combining the tedium of semantics with the pedantry of historical nitpicking, he delivers a one-two punch that leaves his competitors reeling in abject disgust!
Yes, because it is too much to ask that people use the correct words to refer to things. Words don't have to mean anything! In fact, we should let language become entirely personal. Everyone can define words exactly as they see fit, and perhaps with such effort we can make language a great barrier to communication! Wonderful!
Probably the perspective, considering you called a two post exchange the "Most tedious flame War in 2012." I suspect a perspective that describes two short posts as tedious, or indeed a flame war, finds any sense of perspective of broader pictures quite troubling.
Just because the meanings of certain words is irrelevant to you doesn't make it irrelevant to other people. That understanding is pretty core to the point here.
Maelstrom Games wrote:Guys,
I think you're getting a bit hung up on the word "falx", especially when you talk about the "Dacian falx". It's actually just a shortened version of "falcata", because "falcata-brute" doesn't sound quite so... brutal.
In the brief, the artist and sculptor were given this image to work from:
...but obviously changed it somewhat and enlarged it.
<shrug> Always remember that this is fantasy. It amuses me that little historical details like this are picked over in the same thread as discussions about giant crocodile-men and mutated humans!
Cheers
Rob
Falx isn't short for falcata. It is Latin for scyth or sickle. It refers to the blade being curved and sharpened on the inside. The blade on that model is sharpened on the outside of the curve, and so is neither falx nor falcata.
Say what you want about it being a fantasy miniature, but you might as well call it an "ax-brute" for all the sense the name makes. Just because the word doesn't mean much to you, doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything to anyone.
Maelstrom Games wrote:Wehrkind,
Thank you, but it would be impossible for you to know whether a word means anything to me or not. You're being extremely presumptuous, rude and pretty offensive.
Calm down there.
Look, you guys make great miniatures. We've cheered your successes frequently as you have posted them here. I routinely identify you as one of the superior miniature makers out there.
You have named a model in a way that seems misleading to several of us. Now, it's not like this isn't something we can live with, especially since the name doesn't have much of anything to do with what the miniature is. But it's still a name that doesn't match our expectations. And we have every right to point that out on a public forum.
Now you have reason to say the name is not misleading. I don't speak Latin, so I wouldn't know. But if you want a good reputation with the public then you needn't accuse someone of being rude or offensive simply for speaking their mind. You're being oddly defensive here, dispensing criticism at people simply for pointing out their opinions of your product. You guys normally do very good work. Let it go.
Maelstrom Games wrote:Thank you, but it would be impossible for you to know whether a word means anything to me or not.
The beauty of language is that you're able to communicate your thoughts to someone else. Saying that a word's meaning is dependent on what it means to you and not on what the generally accepted meaning of it is defeats the purpose.
Catch up time - we've had some stunning paint jobs come in the last couple of weeks, Sebastien Picque has done great work on Talos, Ungefelic and Vilthiss and I'll leave the icing on the cake until last - Wiat till you scroll down and see Ben Komet's Krull!
@Janthkin why is the discussion about the origins of the weapon name on a miniature is considered Offtopic? I may be a minority but I find that bit of knowledge refreshing and useful. Yes some may consider it boring and Maelstrom fella took a really strange dramatic approach to the debate but come on It was totally on topic and for me personally its the these little bits of information that I like to learn everyday.
The Krull paint job looks excellent. it wil sell that model bigtime.
Only thing about the model is it lacks testicles, i think if goat men gets testicles surely a demon servant of Dis deserves a pair
spiraleddie wrote:The Krull paint job looks excellent. it wil sell that model bigtime.
Only thing about the model is it lacks testicles, i think if goat men gets testicles surely a demon servant of Dis deserves a pair
Krulls boys come in a separate kit as they are so huge
spiraleddie wrote:The Krull paint job looks excellent. it wil sell that model bigtime.
Only thing about the model is it lacks testicles, i think if goat men gets testicles surely a demon servant of Dis deserves a pair
Krulls boys come in a separate kit as they are so huge
They are sold in a new separate line called "Naughty Bits"
spiraleddie wrote:The Krull paint job looks excellent. it wil sell that model bigtime.
Only thing about the model is it lacks testicles, i think if goat men gets testicles surely a demon servant of Dis deserves a pair
Krulls boys come in a separate kit as they are so huge
They are sold in a new separate line called "Naughty Bits"
spiraleddie wrote:The Krull paint job looks excellent. it wil sell that model bigtime.
Only thing about the model is it lacks testicles, i think if goat men gets testicles surely a demon servant of Dis deserves a pair
Krulls boys come in a separate kit as they are so huge
They are sold in a new separate line called "Naughty Bits"
BTW Krull does indeed have a pair, you can't see them on the rear angle as that 'area' is in shadow, but rest assured he's packing heat. And of course if BaneBalls (my favourite was BaneSacks) aren't your cup of tea they are easy to remove, tbh once the tail is on you can't really see them.
Are those cuts and scrapes on his armour part of the sculpt, or were they painted on? If they were painted on, then that's amazing work.
A bit of both - most are sculpted on, but Ben has added additional weathering/damage on some areas.
Glad you like the work our guys put in - Krull was a long project of around 18 months from concept to painted fig so we're glad you guys like him - we love him!
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Indeed he is! Something very different that will blow your socks off! Wtach this space........
@jgemrich No plans for US Con just yet (maybe one day! We'd love to come to Gencon) but we do have stockists in North America (as well as free worldwide shipping on our own site) and a certain very large retailer in the US should be receiving a batch of our product any day now - Watch this space (again, just keep watching this space )
That krull is amazing, man. Tell the painter he's got a fan over here. I'd love to see some more stuff that he's painted. Does he have a gallery anywhere?
Today is a sad day, for we are bidding goodbye to two old friends that have been with us for a little while now. Both N’nhaak’chshir and Tygandr are a great example of sculpts from a supremely talented young man, Alex Huntley, and have provided the BaneLegions range with a lot of oomph over the past eighteen months – but all good things come to an end, and after the last twenty-five of each are gone, they’re gone forever.
So if you want to own a piece of BaneLegions history and grab some fantastic miniatures in the process, get one before they’re gone!
Always sad to see miniatures deleted, but I have to say I've never been fans of these early models which, I reckon, were produced before they decided to start looking at producing their own game. The Hydra I reckon we'll see again in a new form though:
AFter many, many requests to release the 'bits' components of our range, we've put them up for order.
At the mo it's just the BaneLords but the BaneBeast components will follow in due course.
So, if you ever fancied ordering Kraan on foot (or just his big bear!), Guillame on his horse without the foot version or just aweapon arm for that coversion you have planned, well, knock your socks off!
I just got Shaaroc in the mail, sooner than I'd expected! Looks great, and Huge... only downside I hadn't really considered is that the severed heads on the side of his body may look a little out of scale with warhammer. I guess they're ogre heads (certainly works for my army). The casting is really nice, no complaints there at all. Came with a long sprue of small spikes that I'm not sure what I'm going to do with, though!
The skulls/heads on Shaaroc are all giant sized heads - Shaaroc's two-handed axe is ideal for lopping the heads from larger foes. He is indeed a 32mm scale mini.
We already have a few giant cyclopian minis and more big fellas to come!
Not a big fan on the execution of Mjagnir, actually.
The art looks a bit thicker in the middle. It gives him more of a squat, "thick" look. The sculpt looks to lean more towards muscularity, which enhances his height. I prefer the concept art on that one.
I feel like there's a huge error on the face, too. To me, he doesn't look like he's yelling intimidatingly. It looks like he's smiling or laughing gleefully. While I could see why you'd intend something like this to laugh gleefully while slaughtering others, the fact is that it looks like he's laughing at someone's joke and (for me) it ruins his face.
I'm also disappointed that his added armor pieces and clothing differ as much as they do from the concept art. It just looks to me like the artist and sculptor were on different pages on this guy, and the sculptor missed the mark.
Now that's a giant. Stunning. Looking forward to see what Ben comes up with.
Same goes for Alianne, though my only criticism would be she's a bit too big up front. Suggest a reduction on the future Melusine's.
Can I take it that the Brutes and Melusines are the Ysians more regular warriors, considering you mention Champions and Musicians? Shame you didn't produce a version of Alianne of how she'd appear in water, considering the various legends of the Melusines.
While I love Jotun, the Melusine swordswoman seems much too chesty to be an effective warrior. In general, athletic females have smaller busts, so the Melusine just looks ridiculous and pornographic. She is probably the worst model in the line so far.
I've been a big fan of the Bane-* releases so far, but that one does not fit the range. I have no problem with the nudity (although I'm a bit puzzled by what appears to be a g-string at the back, with nothing covering the front...) when it's well executed, but the over-large, fake-looking boobs and the spaghetti-string hair out this one firmly in the 'nope' basket.
I don't much care for the breasts being large for the sake of being large, but if the rest of the model was put together well I could forgive it. Unfortunately, the centerpiece of the model is her hair, which looks a bit like she got mashed out of the play-doh fun factory.
Honestly I wouldn't mind a unit of mixed shape females. Ones with more willowy figures or smaller breasts being fully nide, the larger women being wrapped (for balance if for no other reason.) But that's just me, I like all kinds of girls.
Have to agree as well. Just seems garish. Honestly my complaint is that it's ugly. I'm all about every female figure being super-model-esque. After all, it's fantasy, right? All the dudes are chiseled looking. But that one seriously is NOT good.
"If we make the boobs big enough, we'll sell enough of them to make a profit regardless of how the rest of the mini looks, so don't spend much time on it."
Well, all you have to do is look at the Most Popular Tags over on Cool Mini Or Not and you'll see what is searched for the most.
I read it to people out loud for a laugh. But really it makes me sad on the inside.
So it's one not-so-good model. I definitely think the rest of the line more than makes up for that. They have some incredible sculpts, and their beasts are honestly some of the coolest Minis (if you can call them that) on the market. Real top notch stuff, balls and all.
I'm okay with just calling it not up to snuff with the rest of their quality. Constructive criticism is one thing, but sculptors have feelings too.
I had to look up that 4-legged guy, I either missed him when first announced or forgot him; he's Shaaroc, and pretty damn awesome looking. Not sure he's worth what I can get him for in the US ($86.99 courtesy of the Warstore), but then again, I'm already starting to try and find a use for him!
At Salute 2012 (wargames show in London UK) this weekend we'll be discounting the entire BaneLegions range at 20% off rrp - we'll also have limited amounts of some pre-release minis up to July's releases so you can get to see (and buy) some cool stuff a couple of month's early!
We'll be cash only this year as our card reader is on the blink (boo!) - but there's plenty of cashpoints in the Excel concourse for you card-only junkies!
We'll be at stall TD20 which is here
See you there!
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We will also have pre-release minis available this weekend (again, very limited on stock) up to two months ahead of release. Here's a sneaky peek at some of them!
Very impressed with S.S's new Svrill, Wielder of Khthon sculpt. Much better than the artwork imo. Less shabby looking "Pan-handler of Cadwe - will point stick for food-" more "counts as Ophidian". Will certainly be waiting for this to appear as Banebits (tail section especially) and speaking of which, how long till the Banebeasts are listed? Very interested in the Lion body parts from the Ungefelic, Mantichora set.
The blunt-claw miniature reaches a new level of perversion. We should think of adding spoiler tags to certain pics and a general NSFW warning to the title.
I'd paint the body up like a very badly made up woman, with smeared lipstick and eyeliner, like the rat beast carted her around like a doll and liked to dress her up in pretty things he takes as his spoils.
While I love this model (the sack on his head is kick-ass!), why does he have 8 abs? It's a 6-pack, not an 8-pack.
Or is he just that mutant?
You need to look at some bodybuilding sites, the abs can appear as many more than 6 sections-10 pack not unusuall.
All humans have 8 packs naturally, it's just that the 6 pack is much more easily obtained and the additional 2 abdominal sections required for the 8 pack are often not worked.
Also I've never heard of a 10 pack, could you post a pic? I could see it being a genetic defect, because I know that humans only have 8 abdominal sections hahaha
AlexHolker wrote:Blunt-Claw: I've got no problem with female nudity in general, but mangled and crucified on a naked ratman's standard? Ew.
I think that we're beginning to see the fruition that the Banelegions game will be proper dark fantasy. Less sterile Warhammer/Lord of the Rings and more Game of Thrones-esque.
Nice models one and all. Now, when are we going to see Tundaar?
Re; Blunt-Claw - she isn't crucified nor is the sculpt a 'nudity' thang (not that we're against such things).
Look at the pots and pans, the cleaver. The lady is Blunt-Claw's lunch, Blunt-Claw is a glutton (though he's a keen cook!) and the body is his after-scrap meal.
Dinner doesn't wear clothes, neither is Blunt-Claw too fussed about the sex of his dinner. We've had naked skinned men in our Vras line (Scar-Scath's loincloth is a naked, skinned male man) -
The Vras are equal opportunities killers, eaters and wot not.
And yes, the DarkLands range/game is dark fantasy and will feature adult imagery - It won't be a pleasant place to live.
I don't like that DarkLands is something like the NSFW/Fetish/Snuff version of Warhammer, trying to strech the limits of how much perversity is acceptable in tabletop gaming. Guess it is time to add NSFW tags to this thread then.
AAnchuth: Nice to see a beast shaman not carrying his entire knick-nack shelf on his person at all times. Too bad I'm done with my beastman army.
I love Mjagnir, but I'm a little worried it looks like the haft of his hammer bends.
While Kadamastar is just a spiky croc, it's so well sculpted and naturalistically posed I think it is worth every penny. At least to anyone who needs a spiky crocodile.
Svrill is interesting. The way the head is posed, I can't tell if it's not looking at it's scroll or just looking at the scroll the way a snake-person would. I like the robes. I don't really want the model, but I like that it exists.
Blunt-Claw: To be honest I didn't notice the woman's torso until someone pointed it out, but now I can't stop seeing it. I think this crosses a line- but not the nudity line a lot of people may think I'm going for.
It reminds me of when I tried to watch Spartacus, the Pit episode, when the gladiators are brawling in an underground arena decorated with naked womens' torsos wrapped in barbed wire. Both works are trying to shock, but in a way that breaks my suspension of disbelief. Because I have trouble believing that a rat-man warlord spends his free time in "working with torsos" arts and crafts classes to get good at taking the bones out of arms but leaving them in the torso just because tormented boobies are going to bother people. I could possibly accept a vampire queen doing this to one of her rivals, but I think it's a poor design choice in general.
On the bright side though, we have finally determined what it takes to distract gamers from whining about his exposed balls!
Personally i think the bottom of her torso isnt very good.
Id much rather see some properly torn skin and entrails hanging out, looks a bit sudden atm. Some bitemarks in the stomach to suggest the rat bit her in half would be aceas well.
HoverBoy wrote:Ohh so it's ok to have guys skinned and displayed but as soon as a pair of bewbs is streched on a flagpole it's bad.
That's actually very sexist.
Actually, I just hadn't seen that one the first time around.
AlexHolker wrote:Kadamastar: It's a crocodile. I think I'd just go looking for something like this and add my own spikes.
Blunt-Claw: I've got no problem with female nudity in general, but mangled and crucified on a naked ratman's standard? Ew.
The important thing, apparently, is that the woman's multilated corpse retains huge, pendulous, stripper breasts. Because we wouldn't want our mutilated women to not appear sexy.
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Maelstrom Games wrote:Re; Blunt-Claw - she isn't crucified nor is the sculpt a 'nudity' thang (not that we're against such things).
Look at the pots and pans, the cleaver. The lady is Blunt-Claw's lunch, Blunt-Claw is a glutton (though he's a keen cook!) and the body is his after-scrap meal.
Dinner doesn't wear clothes, neither is Blunt-Claw too fussed about the sex of his dinner. We've had naked skinned men in our Vras line (Scar-Scath's loincloth is a naked, skinned male man) -
Nice try, but it doesn't gel. If she was just lunch, and not fetishistic, she would just be hanging there - impaled or dismembered. Not crucified like a banner. Also, her arms (perfectly deboned, apparently) are way too long. They're about twice as long as they should be when you take the spiral-wrapping into account.
I'm notsomuch offended by the content in terms of male/female carcass. I'm offended by the teenaged-mentality fetishistic nature (LOOK BEWBS LOL) of the figure and the otherwise poor and unrealistic execution of that element. It's actually a decent figure aside from that crappy and poorly-justified standard.
Meh, thats just a side effect of the scale. You want them to be visible from gaming length away (couple of feet) otherwise it may as well just be a man.
HoverBoy wrote:Ohh so it's ok to have guys skinned and displayed but as soon as a pair of bewbs is streched on a flagpole it's bad.
That's actually very sexist.
AlexHolker wrote:Kadamastar: It's a crocodile. I think I'd just go looking for something like this and add my own spikes.
Blunt-Claw: I've got no problem with female nudity in general, but mangled and crucified on a naked ratman's standard? Ew.
The important thing, apparently, is that the woman's multilated corpse retains huge, pendulous, stripper breasts. Because we wouldn't want our mutilated women to not appear sexy.
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Maelstrom Games wrote:Re; Blunt-Claw - she isn't crucified nor is the sculpt a 'nudity' thang (not that we're against such things).
Look at the pots and pans, the cleaver. The lady is Blunt-Claw's lunch, Blunt-Claw is a glutton (though he's a keen cook!) and the body is his after-scrap meal.
Dinner doesn't wear clothes, neither is Blunt-Claw too fussed about the sex of his dinner. We've had naked skinned men in our Vras line (Scar-Scath's loincloth is a naked, skinned male man) -
Nice try, but it doesn't gel. If she was just lunch, and not fetishistic, she would just be hanging there - impaled or dismembered. Not crucified like a banner. Also, her arms (perfectly deboned, apparently) are way too long. They're about twice as long as they should be when you take the spiral-wrapping into account.
I'm notsomuch offended by the content in terms of male/female carcass. I'm offended by the teenaged-mentality fetishistic nature (LOOK BEWBS LOL) of the figure and the otherwise poor and unrealistic execution of that element. It's actually a decent figure aside from that crappy and poorly-justified standard.
I agree with where you're going, but calling those "huge, pendulous, stripper breasts" seems a bit odd. I wouldn't say the proportions are that bad, it's the presentation.
In other words, no, I cannot accept that she is just the rat-man's lunch. When I pack myself fried chicken in my lunch box, I don't arrange it on a banner on my back so all the chickens of the world can see me devouring one of their hens. I don't magically remove the wing bones and use the remaining wing skin and cartilage as a framing device. And I don't start eating from the bottom-up so I can leave the head and the moist, succulent chicken breasts on display to shock all the roosters.
There is no way to get around this appearing to be an inefficient construction devised purely to shock.
Now maybe in Maelstrom's game world the rat-men have a keen knowledge of human psychology and expertly know how to cruelly exploit viewers' emotions. But in the rat-men I am familiar with from fiction, they generally have an alien mind and an alien culture that comes from essentially being an alien species to humanity. What makes rat-men work as a fantasy trope is that they're a chittering horde of creatures who don't think like us, and moreover don't care about trying to think like us. Because there are so many of them and so few of us.
If you want to have the naked-woman-as-takeaway-lunch motif on a rat-man, I'd recommend having the woman just kind of stuffed in a sack on his back- head rolled to the side and perhaps a bit of exposed boob (perhaps even with a torn-up shoulder to show he's had a bite to eat before the battle and drive the point home that to him, this isn't a once-beautiful maiden. This is a piece of meat.) Then you'd have a mini that conveys what you claim it conveys.
OTOH, if you want to go with the crucified/disemboweled-nude-woman-on-display angle, it needs to be on a creature that understands human psychology. Perhaps a vampire (I can easily picture a vampire queen doing this to as a warning to mortal women not to try and step to her game) or some more sophisticated creature.
The combination as it is just makes me think it wasn't thought through very well. It makes me think whoever designed it was on a mission to shock first and to design a functioning character concept second. I don't mind shocking content, and I don't mind nudity. But in this case, the shocking content IMHO undermines the overall design of the piece. Which is unfortunate because usually Maelstrom doesn't make that kind of mistake.
I've seen my share of topless women, and those are stripper/porn sized. They're that size for the same reason the other recent female figure has breasts shaped like giant footballs, and a visible labia instead of pubic hair, not because "we're anatomically correct" but to appeal to the "phwoar" crowd. I look forward to their next barbarian having a huge, erect, uncovered phallus. It's the difference between Mature content that is actually mature and "Adult - hur hur" content.
I can also let a certain amount slide if it's well done. Raging Heroes' not-witch elves are really nice sculpts, while bewbgirl isn't. The Skaven we're discussing here is an otherwise nice model with a stereotypical 16-year-old boy's idea of "adult content" on his banner pole. Sorry, his "lunch rack".
I agree with everything else you said.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go yell at my wife for not deboning my pork chops last night.
JOHIRA wrote:
I agree with where you're going, but calling those "huge, pendulous, stripper breasts" seems a bit odd. I wouldn't say the proportions are that bad, it's the presentation.
In other words, no, I cannot accept that she is just the rat-man's lunch. When I pack myself fried chicken in my lunch box, I don't arrange it on a banner on my back so all the chickens of the world can see me devouring one of their hens. I don't magically remove the wing bones and use the remaining wing skin and cartilage as a framing device. And I don't start eating from the bottom-up so I can leave the head and the moist, succulent chicken breasts on display to shock all the roosters.
There is no way to get around this appearing to be an inefficient construction devised purely to shock.
Now maybe in Maelstrom's game world the rat-men have a keen knowledge of human psychology and expertly know how to cruelly exploit viewers' emotions. But in the rat-men I am familiar with from fiction, they generally have an alien mind and an alien culture that comes from essentially being an alien species to humanity. What makes rat-men work as a fantasy trope is that they're a chittering horde of creatures who don't think like us, and moreover don't care about trying to think like us. Because there are so many of them and so few of us.
If you want to have the naked-woman-as-takeaway-lunch motif on a rat-man, I'd recommend having the woman just kind of stuffed in a sack on his back- head rolled to the side and perhaps a bit of exposed boob (perhaps even with a torn-up shoulder to show he's had a bite to eat before the battle and drive the point home that to him, this isn't a once-beautiful maiden. This is a piece of meat.) Then you'd have a mini that conveys what you claim it conveys.
OTOH, if you want to go with the crucified/disemboweled-nude-woman-on-display angle, it needs to be on a creature that understands human psychology. Perhaps a vampire (I can easily picture a vampire queen doing this to as a warning to mortal women not to try and step to her game) or some more sophisticated creature.
The combination as it is just makes me think it wasn't thought through very well. It makes me think whoever designed it was on a mission to shock first and to design a functioning character concept second. I don't mind shocking content, and I don't mind nudity. But in this case, the shocking content IMHO undermines the overall design of the piece. Which is unfortunate because usually Maelstrom doesn't make that kind of mistake.
Interesting. Every time Maelstrom produce a mini with some NSFW-detail there are hundreds of posts opposing/defending this - creating exactly the hype wanted. If you want them to stop adding balls and boobs, just ignore it.
As for the mutant rat cook, I think is one of the best in the genre (and certainly one of the best Bane-sculpts) - and might even buy it. The racked ex-lady with the big rack might then become a banner pole for my Dark Elves.
Well, it's discussion, but it's not quite hype. I also have no problem with actual balls or boobs when it's done in a sensible way or works in context. I ordered both packs of the RH not-witch-elves (that's 20 boobs) and even ordered a bunch of Bane Legion and AoW figures during the recent Malestrom sale which got cut shot by 2 weeks, some of which feature skimpy outfits and even a few nipples, if I recall correctly.
I've also said that the actual Skaven figure we're discussing is pretty good, sans his tit-standard.
It's not about balls and boobs, it's about don't be stupid.
It's at the whim of the company that gets sculpted, whatever that may be, they tend to put out some damn good looking models.
Certainly not everyone's cup of tea, but if that's the case, there's someone over in the PM section doing a My Little Pony Space Marine Army that I'm sure they'll love.
I kid, I kid.
I don't really mind it, I for one was always a little frustrated by Slaanesh in the Games Workshop world. They're supposed to be real horrorshow debauched freaks... and I've been to concerts that look more like Slaaneshi cults than what the models project.
If you're gonna claim to be Grimdark, I think you gotta wear an R label, not PG-13.
But that's just my little opinion. I think the section is for Maelstrom's releases and for people to see what they're working on, and to me, they have some seriously cool models.
general bitching about the flayed woman on a rat monsters pole
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sooo......these guys are fine by you lot but as soon as something has boobs it goes too far -___-
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Chemical Cutthroat wrote:It's at the whim of the company that gets sculpted, whatever that may be, they tend to put out some damn good looking models.
Certainly not everyone's cup of tea, but if that's the case, there's someone over in the PM section doing a My Little Pony Space Marine Army that I'm sure they'll love.
general bitching about the flayed woman on a rat monsters pole
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sooo......these guys are fine by you lot but as soon as something has boobs it goes too far -___-
That's not even remotely the issue from the way I've been reading the complaints. It's not a case of "Flayed skin is unacceptable when it has boobs!".
I can't speak for anyone but myself naturally, but the major issue for me on this piece is that the woman in question's breasts are unnaturally large, looking like an adult film starlet rather than those of a real human being.
Maelstrom's models, for all but one or two examples, have been fantastic pieces in both the quality of the sculpt and a measure of realism for the sculpts they're portraying--even if it's something like a giant snakeman.
general bitching about the flayed woman on a rat monsters pole
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sooo......these guys are fine by you lot but as soon as something has boobs it goes too far -___-
That's not even remotely the issue from the way I've been reading the complaints. It's not a case of "Flayed skin is unacceptable when it has boobs!".
I can't speak for anyone but myself naturally, but the major issue for me on this piece is that the woman in question's breasts are unnaturally large, looking like an adult film starlet rather than those of a real human being.
Maelstrom's models, for all but one or two examples, have been fantastic pieces in both the quality of the sculpt and a measure of realism for the sculpts they're portraying--even if it's something like a giant snakeman.
this old argument again :3 oh......
I’m starting to think that in addition to Draigos law we also need one for boobs and models, such as “as the number of posts on a NSFW thread increases so does the level of posts against the size of the models breasts”
wait......cant people who dont like the boobs just remove blunt claws lunch rack?
general bitching about the flayed woman on a rat monsters pole
Spoiler:
sooo......these guys are fine by you lot but as soon as something has boobs it goes too far -___-
That's not even remotely the issue from the way I've been reading the complaints. It's not a case of "Flayed skin is unacceptable when it has boobs!".
I can't speak for anyone but myself naturally, but the major issue for me on this piece is that the woman in question's breasts are unnaturally large, looking like an adult film starlet rather than those of a real human being.
Maelstrom's models, for all but one or two examples, have been fantastic pieces in both the quality of the sculpt and a measure of realism for the sculpts they're portraying--even if it's something like a giant snakeman.
this old argument again :3 oh......
Before trying to act clever, please read my post in detail.
You'll notice that there is an underlying current in my post.
It's called "constructive criticism".
I’m starting to think that in addition to Draigos law we also need one for boobs and models, such as “as the number of posts on a NSFW thread increases so does the level of posts against the size of the models breasts”
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There's a reason that Pretre has a sig about Draigo's Law. Nobody has made a mention of Ward, nobody even has mentioned 40k for quite awhile.
And you still bring Draigo up.
Anyways. The problem isn't merely the size of the breasts. It's the quality of the sculpt for the "lunch" portion. It looks cartoony compared to the rest of Maelstrom's line. The Melusine Swordswoman has the same issue going on.
wait......cant people who dont like the boobs just remove blunt claws lunch rack?
Not liking the sculpt or the adult film starlet breasts does not equal "not liking boobs". It equals not liking the sculpt or the adult film starlet breasts.
Not liking the sculpt or the adult film starlet breasts does not equal "not liking boobs". It equals not liking the sculpt or the adult film starlet breasts
Yes....... but What I said was "the boobs" not "boobs", as in "the boobs on the model". I was merely suggesting that if there was a part of a model that you don’t like, you can simply remove it. In this case: lunch rack is offensive-model looks good but lunch rack is offensive-remove lunch rack- enjoy good looking model. Now granted that's hard to do with the sword mistress but that is generally a bad sculpt so there is little that you can do. I never said "if you don’t like big rat butchers and porn star boobs then you don’t like boobs"
There's a reason that Pretre has a sig about Draigo's Law. Nobody has made a mention of Ward, nobody even has mentioned 40k for quite a while.
And you still bring Draigo up.
well......this is a thread about banebeats/lords so there wouldn’t be much reference to GW at all. Also, how else would I refer to pertre's sig?
Before trying to act clever, please read my post in detail.
You'll notice that there is an underlying current in my post.
It's called "constructive criticism".
I was making a reference to the age old argument of "that model's boobs are too big" "no their not" "yes they are" etc
DPBellathrom wrote: general bitching about the flayed woman on a rat monsters pole
Well, it's a good thing you've taken the time to phrase the argument in a way that shows respect for everyone involved. :roll:
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sooo......these guys are fine by you lot but as soon as something has boobs it goes too far -___-
How would you know if those are fine with "us lot"? Did you bother to ask? Why would you even think they would be okay with us?
As for Mengil Manflayers, there are two critical differences between them and the rat person. First the body on the banner doesn't appear to be a full torso with organs and bones and innards inside- it's just stretched skin. So it's not completely absurd from a functional perspective. Secondly, and if you would have bothered to read my post rather than just making up what you want me to think, I made expressly clear that I'm okay with a character carrying around torsos as trophies as long as they're characters that have the psychology to be capable of comprehending the human mind and a willingness to shock. Clearly dark elves have that capability.
The Necron flayed ones are silly, and I've said they are silly many times. However, again, no torsos. And IIRC my necron backstory, these guys weren't originally trying to shock so much as making an absurd attempt to blend in.
A point that's worth remembering is that GW make a lot of very, very silly miniatures (see the Space Wolf line). In fact, part of their aesthetic is to be blunt, silliness. There's a childish charm to GW, which makes it possible to forgive these adolescent plays at maturity like in the Flayed Ones. Maelstrom is trying to make a "mature" miniature line, and generally they are very good at hitting that aesthetic. Once in a while they stumble, however. And the only way they will ever get better is if members of the public tell them when they've stumbled. When we have members of this forum getting hyper-defensive on their behalf any time they are criticized, nothing useful comes out of it.
Personally, I just want people to make good minis. I don't care if they're childish, mature, clothed, nude, gory, clean, whatever. Blunt-claw is IMHO not a good mini. And I'll have words with anyone who attacks me for saying so.
I think, in the end of the day, the Bluntclaw miniature has been very successful in what i feel it was trying to achieve. A mutilated, and half flayed corpse of a women is a distressing sight, especially in the context of the background, as in, a monsters left overs. I feel had it been a man hanging from the back, the impact would have not been as close to home. As gamers, we're generally desensitized to brutal displays of violence in our miniatures/games/action figures; whatever you yourself are into, especially in GWs 'era of skulls'. It isn't surprising at all to have a collection of severed heads tied to the harness of a warsteed, or as seen with the previous images, flayed skin being worn as clothing. the fact that the corpse is a women however, that's different. Rarely (if ever from the top of my head) do we see the same brutalization of females as males in wargames, which makes it an unsettling sight. The miniature therefore, is very successful at disturbing its audience. As for the Breast size... ehh I personally think they're actually fairly proportioned. Maybe slightly on the large size, but I would not describe them as 'adult film starlet breasts.' I can see the controversy, but I can't identify with it.
I like the miniature, and I'd consider picking it up.
general bitching about the flayed woman on a rat monsters pole
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sooo......these guys are fine by you lot but as soon as something has boobs it goes too far -___-
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Never say an unkind word about the oldschool Flayed Ones! You'll only sadden 3rd ed Necron players more!
Oh Menghil. So sad you weren't in the 7e DE book.
I'm sorry, what were we talking about? Undead stripper pole? Yeah. She shoulda been stuffed in a sack. Or hanging from a noose. That coulda worked.
Chemical Cutthroat wrote:It's at the whim of the company that gets sculpted, whatever that may be, they tend to put out some damn good looking models.
Certainly not everyone's cup of tea, but if that's the case, there's someone over in the PM section doing a My Little Pony Space Marine Army that I'm sure they'll love.
Does want.
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. Just going to wait and see what the Banelords look like, although I probably won't need one- Kholek doesn't suffer a ride 
