LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

How will they get them? With their extensive advertisement campaign? Warhammer 40k is practically becoming the dark part of the game store that no one new wonders into.

How much is the price hike on IG vehicles and infantry?

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

Stop advertising, losing potential new customers to lack of knowledge. Now they are going to start to lose new customers to price as well.

Where the hell did the people who run GW get their buisness education?

Thats actually the "correct" way, according to GW's theory.

Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.
GW fans will purchase what they like ( in same amount ) without regarding price.
Hence GW fans will be the ones that supports that idealogy / business model.
Therefor GW will raise the price hoping to be supported by the fans.

I think the sales drops and multiple 'no buy' protests are solid evidence that this plan is not working out for them.
Are you sure thats the case for GW?
Im not disagreeing with you its a bad thing, but the red part is related and makes sense.

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

There is a limit to how much blood cattle have and how much cattle you can fit in an area.

They are created and then expired.

Much like the battery farms in Matrix xD

Eventually they'll want heavy duty batteries then.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

How will they get them? With their extensive advertisement campaign? Warhammer 40k is practically becoming the dark part of the game store that no one new wonders into.

Simple. Close down bunkers, reopen 1 man GW shops.
Keep the GW sphere of influence alive, short term sustenance per cattle.

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

"There are people that are careful with money.
They'll plan their purchase
They'll compare the products and company
And make budgets"

"A Company does not want or need these type of customers, if they quit, small loss"
"The earlier these unfavorable demographic customers are weeded and not influencing our cattle, the better for us "
"A Company favors customers that does not think. If we can tell them what to think is cool, we can plan our releases easier"

Oh wait, Space Marines.

Neither of us are arguing though and more or less it seems we're agreeing on the same points and just reiterating them or adding to them.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

Target them before they grow up and see it as a rip off, the younger they are the more likely all the shininess will convince them.

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

"There are people that are careful with money.
They'll plan their purchase
They'll compare the products and company
And make budgets"

"A Company does not want or need these type of customers, if they quit, small loss"
"The earlier these unfavorable demographic customers are weeded and not influencing our cattle, the better for us "

Can this still work if the said weeded population is the majority of your customers? I guess it could if they just do another price increase to make up for the set of lost customers that the last price increase generated.

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.

Actually this whole part makes no sense to me how it is worded.

"There are people that are careful with money.
They'll plan their purchase
They'll compare the products and company
And make budgets"

"A Company does not want or need these type of customers, if they quit, small loss"
"The earlier these unfavorable demographic customers are weeded and not influencing our cattle, the better for us "

Can this still work if the said weeded population is the majority of your customers? I guess it could if they just do another price increase to make up for the set of lost customers that the last price increase generated.

"GW is the largest and bestest hobby wargaming company by far in the world"
Said Tom Kirby in better english.
According to him, GW can afford minute loss of customers that defects to warmachine.

Honestly, I care not whether it "works" or not.
Its not in my interest as I have no ties with GW financially
I just think its entertaining to see how they plan things.

Andrew1975 wrote:
Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since 2000.

Neither can I. Most things went up waaay more.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:Holy CRAP. If they are really increasing prices that much, I'm ordering a whole bunch of crap tomorrow....

Would they REALLY make the prices that high though? How much will a SM or IG infantry squad be according to the list?

Neither of those boxes are having a price increase.

Oh... Then this won't affect me much...

Are they raising prices on stuff like Leman Russes much?

I think in the long run I don't care about this price increase. Most of it is to make up for petroleum product price increases and inflation. Also it hit Space Marines the hardest so I for one will support future price increases of this nature.

Eh, I still play SM, but I like my Guard army WAAAAY better.

Dantalian wrote:I think in the long run I don't care about this price increase. Most of it is to make up for petroleum product price increases and inflation. Also it hit Space Marines the hardest so I for one will support future price increases of this nature.

Well must be nice to be rich like you -_-

LunaHound wrote:

Dantalian wrote:I think in the long run I don't care about this price increase. Most of it is to make up for petroleum product price increases and inflation. Also it hit Space Marines the hardest so I for one will support future price increases of this nature.

Well must be nice to be rich like you -_-

Actually it was more of a jab at Space Marine players. More price increases on them please.

Why? Sure, they are the most overhyped army, but why would you wish price increases on someone? lol

Are the prices on guard vehicles going up terribly?

I just got the last Storm Raven in stock at my FLGS. Thanks for the heads up Dakka!

These are the only IG price increases:

$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE
$10.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIANS (these are the pushfit models)
$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD SHADOWSWORD/STORMLORD
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN BATTLEFORCE
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN BATTLEFORCE
$37.25 - IMPERIAL GUARD CHIMERA

Nothing worth losing sleep over. Honestly, aside from the Land Raider and the Storm Raven, this price increase isn't nearly as bad as they've been in the past.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:These are the only IG price increases:

$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE
$10.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIANS (these are the pushfit models)
$115.50 - IMPERIAL GUARD SHADOWSWORD/STORMLORD
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN BATTLEFORCE
$120.00 - IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN BATTLEFORCE
$37.25 - IMPERIAL GUARD CHIMERA

Nothing worth losing sleep over. Honestly, aside from the Land Raider and the Storm Raven, this price increase isn't nearly as bad as they've been in the past.

Will you be my sugar daddy?

I'm feeling better now.... I don't even plan on ever running a land raider.

A great way to get 2 IG troop squads for the price of 1.5 is to buy one regular squad of cadians, then 2 of the push fit ones, and use the extra weps from the regular squad to equip the push fir squad. It only gives you basic options, but still better than paying for 2 regular ones.

GalacticDefender wrote:I'm feeling better now.... I don't even plan on ever running a land raider.

A great way to get 2 IG troop squads for the price of 1.5 is to buy one regular squad of cadians, then 2 of the push fit ones, and use the extra weps from the regular squad to equip the push fir squad. It only gives you basic options, but still better than paying for 2 regular ones.

Young Padawan you would make a great heir to Tom kirby

If this is true, I'm glad that I'm considering quitting WFB/40k to pursue other games (i.e. WarmaHordes and Malifaux)...

Seriously, $82.50 for a storm raven and $75 for a land raider is just excessive... I just skimmed the list, but did it say that the chaos land raider is also going up? I don't remember seeing it.

All this complaining... I would love for a $82.50 Stormraven. Instead it is US$107 here in Australia.

Snufflesms wrote:All this complaining... I would love for a $82.50 Stormraven. Instead it is US$107 here in Australia.

You guys are the test subject to price increase for the rest of the world xD

The GW marketing strategy is almost as idiotic as Netflix's. The problem is that hobby budgets aren't growing so the higher prices means people are only going to buy fewer units less often. Demand isn't going up an price increases lower demand. They'll only make money when they release new/broken models that everyone "needs to stay competitive". Even that has diminishing returns.

They really neef to invest more in the game and getting new players. They need cheap entry level models and low point games. More powerful modelss should be more expensive and a higher point level and more prestigious competitive play.

Currently GW is only pimping out its IP to game studios, movie studios, publishers etc. and leaving the actual game to independent tournaments and gaming clubs. I really don't see why we bother with GW models at all. Someone could easilly create similar models with different names and undercut GW. And GW wouldn't really have any legal recourse at least in U.S. Sure they could sue but they really wouldn't have a case provided the artwork is original.

As someone said over on bell of lost souls if every single member there (and I'm assuming here) stoped buying GW products it wouldnt even make a dip in there profits.

What we need to be doing is bombarding GW with letter and emails about the fact that we're unhappy with yet another price rise. Its going to get to the stage where they'll be pricing themselves out of alot of peoples price range. Ranting and raving on here wont make a blind bit of difference because I find it very hard to believe that GW even cares what we say on these forums.

I'd suggest that someone who is a better writer than myself write a template letter which others can add there name too and post or email to GW HQ themselves to let them know how alot of there core fans are feeling and let them know that we're not happy with this price rise along with reduced quality (finecast) as well as getting extra goodies in some boxes of minis like hairs and the like which is just disgusting when paying for a premium product.

I will still be buying stuff but not from gw direct. Although our flgs don't stock vostroyans :(

Brothererekose wrote:I may have done something stupid ... besides posting the tripe above:

I mentioned the price increase to my wife.

Just tell her you'll spend the same but just get less for your money. If shes akward about it just add up all the luxury goods that she buys and tell her she can cut back on those too if she is going to force you to do it.

All Hail EBAY!

Logic will get you nowhere in such situations.

Well, I guess I can pretty much just drop my plans to partake in the South Australian company challenge, I guess.

Well, do you really guys think that GW is worrying about customer complains due to prices increase? This is the one of GW goals to become a “Premium Hobby”, what does it mean is they want to sell less with higher profit margin.

This activity will let them to reduce manpower and other non-value added in their process, therefore increase in profitability of company.

Look at the Forgeworld, to manufacture the resin model from RTV silicone mould is cheaper than from plastic injection. I can assure you that GW margin is about 15% (bear in mind ALL retailers get 35% discount) where FW is 300%+.

So what is better for business? Sell 1 squad of 10 Kriegs form £36 – made from resin for max. £5 cost … or squad of 10 plastic moulding injection duds for £20 made for £8? How many plastic injection duds you have to sell to make same profit? Who much logistic and manpower must be used for that?


Even if the GW sales drops form 20%, they will still make massive profit on reduction of operational cost and other non-value added.

Conclusion: I stop buying GW dudsmens last year after prices increase and seeing their policy and I redirected my cash to PP, why? Because I got same fun, better balanced armies, cheaper models, good customer service (official PP forum!). for £300 I got 2 x 50 pts armies, where in GW world I would have just one….

spaceXjam wrote:i have just reosrted to stealing alot of my stuff from gamesworkshop stores i stole a whole battleforce. i brought one and had the recipet then had my friend walk past the front door gave it to him and then i picked another one of the shelf quickly and just walked out if they had asked me i had my recipet.. but i talked to the guys working for like 20 mins to sell myself as a genuine dude... yeah lol stolen heaps of blisters to i have like 5 lord creeds and kells i sold them on ebay for 99 cents haha

Oh thats a brilliant solution. /s

Pray tell, how are you going to play 40k in jail?

Save left over bits of soap, carve his own marines and hope he can dodge the C&D letters for it?

GalacticDefender wrote:

infinite_array wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:Wait so are they actually going to increase the prices? The rhinos and LRs are still the same price they were...

Is it the 28th yet?

No it's not, but what actual hard evidence do we have that they are going to raise the prices? I looked at the Bell of Lost Souls thread, as well as this one, and I didn't really see anything convincing. None of the hobby shop owners have gotten emails or anything, all we have is that list which may or may not be faked, or from Australia or something.

Seriously, why desn't GW try lowering their prices? They might actually make more money due to the amount of people who might start the hobby or buy more stuff.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread Miniwargaming recieved an e-mail and uploaded a video saying the prices were going to be increased. They even said that the range of increases were going to be from 5% for some thing to 20% for others. You obviously didn't look very hard because other people have also said that their FLGS told them about the e-mail.

pretre wrote:

spaceXjam wrote:i have just reosrted to stealing alot of my stuff from gamesworkshop stores i stole a whole battleforce. i brought one and had the recipet then had my friend walk past the front door gave it to him and then i picked another one of the shelf quickly and just walked out if they had asked me i had my recipet.. but i talked to the guys working for like 20 mins to sell myself as a genuine dude... yeah lol stolen heaps of blisters to i have like 5 lord creeds and kells i sold them on ebay for 99 cents haha

I think we found the reason for the price increase. Baddy McBadass here has stolen GW into doing it.

Post deleted, please comport yourself in a better manner when posting on Dakka in future.
Reds8n

LunaHound wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.

Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.

Well when you're young you don't really understand the value of money. So it all comes down to the parents who buy their kids things and we all know how cleaver kids can be when manipulating their parents into spending cash on them.


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Groundh0g wrote:Logic will get you nowhere in such situations.

If you stand your ground then you'll be just fine.

Let's try to turn this into something positive.
If you want to quit gw these are two great opportunities to get into a new game

Tor Gaming Relics
http://www.indiegogo.com/theNuem

GCT Studios Bushido
http://www.indiegogo.com/bushido

For about $100 you'll get two factions and you'll be ready to play with your friend. Wonderful models with lots of character.
I backed both.

I will still be buying stuff but not from gw direct. Although our flgs don't stock vostroyans

Fetterkey wrote:

People are claiming that list is fake/trolling, though.

No, I think just you now Fetterkey.. why in God's name would anyone want to write something like this? It wouldn't be 'trolling', more 'ban that user he is obviously mental, and shouldn't be allowed to communicate with other people!'

Anyway, this seems a little out of place (like selling insurance at the scene of a train crash) but... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/59.page

Get together with a mate, start playing with the best game mechanics and really fine miniatures, for under $100

Miniwargaming are in the middle of developing their own gaming system as well called Dark Potential. After watching some of the playtesting vids they put up its looks pretty decent.

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

As GW is market leader, they don't need to be price competive - top brands are always expensive. Apple, Mercedes, Red Bull etc. - all those products are, objectively, overpriced. Probably best example is Evian which sells regular tap water for something like 1000% markup...

Don't panic

Buy whatever models from whoever you like(to suit your army) Ebay ETC.

We have a good set of rules....All hail the pancake
STUFF GW They need us more than we need them.

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:Why do you folks complain and then keep buying their stupid-ass games? The models are cool, the games are not good. There are a LOT of good games out there - Warmachine, Hordes, and Malifaux being a few that I've tried, and LOVED - with good companies that care about their customers and communicate.

Don't go sell your models tomorrow, but get a demo in at a local store with a game that looks cool to you. It might be enough.

I know I was in and out of 40k within four months, because I didn't like the game and the prices were crazy.

Speaking personally - I play 40k because my friends play 40k, and they aren't interested at all in another game.

I'm trying to get them to buy a starter pack each for Infinity, but it's like pulling fething teeth.

Anything larger than Infinity (the main draw I can get them to see is it's about $100au for a whole 'army') and it's too expensive. Huh, funny that. Even Warmahordes is too expensive.

I also don't want to get into the local Warmahordes scene, since it is by the admission of someone I know who plays it with locals, comprised entirely of TFGs in my area. Every. Single. Person.

So it's play 40k with cool people, play Infinity with no one, or play Warmahordes with complete jerks.

Why wouldn't I stick with 40k?

Fair enough! I started with 40k because I had friends who played. It wasn't enough to keep me personally in the game--like I said, I didn't like it and I didn't like the scale of the game. My local WM/H crew is awesome; that sucks that yours has a bunch of douchebags (mine has them, too, but I just don't play with those folks).

Anyway, sorry if I came off strong. I just came into 40k so excited, and left so deflated. Sometimes I let my emotions run away with me.

I do admit that 40ks mechanics aren't the best, even as someone who still likes it. It basically comes down to who I play with, as I said. If I could get my friends into Warmahordes or Infinity (and I'm fething well trying on the Infinity front), it would be awesome. But as it is, my friends don't care about a better balanced game. They, like me, just want to push some plastic men around the table, throw some dice, drink some beer, and kill an afternoon. 40k isn't bad at all if that's all you're doing.

Price hikes aren't hard to deal with when you're only buying one kit every few months anyway.

Tor Gaming wrote:Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!

Like GW.

And Forgeworld.

Tor Gaming wrote:Anyone outside the EU DO NOT pay vat on items they buy from within the EU. I DO NOT then pay the VAT to the government for that sale because it is not a EU resident buying the product so it attracted no VAT.

The problem with the system is that people outside the EU can't claim a VAT refund for online purchases.

Brothererekose wrote:Awright, I dunno if you can call my crappy comic 'art', but here it is. Check my sig for more:

Darn right we do!

Fred and Bob are awesome.

Liquidice281 wrote:The U.S. dollar is on a pretty good streak, hopefully by the end of the summer, we can have an exchange rate of 1.1 euro per dollar. Forgeworld would then be the best place to buy models.

If the exchange is 1.1 by the end of summer I will be purchasing a lot of goods from European retailers. VAT or not.

More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

fulop78 wrote:Let's try to turn this into something positive.
If you want to quit gw these are two great opportunities to get into a new game

Tor Gaming Relics
http://www.indiegogo.com/theNuem

GCT Studios Bushido
http://www.indiegogo.com/bushido

For about $100 you'll get two factions and you'll be ready to play with your friend. Wonderful models with lots of character.
I backed both.

Also Brushfire from On The Lamb
http://www.on-the-lamb.com
For $71* you and a buddy are all set.

*Two $35 Warbands & a $1 PDF Rulebook

Backfire wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

As GW is market leader, they don't need to be price competive - top brands are always expensive. Apple, Mercedes, Red Bull etc. - all those products are, objectively, overpriced. Probably best example is Evian which sells regular tap water for something like 1000% markup...

Yeh, GW loves to say that, don't they?

Unfortunately, it doesn't stack up well with reality. GW is more like a Wal-Mart or MacDonald's: ubiquitous in their market. The problem is that GW thinks they are the Porsche of gaming. And to that, I will leave the rebuttal to by friend Razogor Sockbat.



Porsche became the Porsche of cars by offering a product far superior to what the average car buyer can get. To use one of your example brands, the customer never has to root through Apple iPads to find the one that isn't mal-formed.

Plenty of other companies offer equivalent or even superior products to GW at a lower price (Red Box Games and Infinity for a start) . GW's miniatures are not that great, their aesthetic is not that great, their rules are downright terrible and their IP has become stale and uninteresting compared to their competitors. The only thing GW can offer that their rivals can't is that you can go into any gaming shop in the world and chances are good if anyone plays miniatures there, that someone will play GW. If they want to press that market advantage, they need to make their miniatures cheaper than their competitors. Making them more expensive just drives people to other games and eliminates the only strength GW has.

Malifaux time, lads.

No, let's not be so blunt. What I'm saying, is that there's only so many price hikes an average guy can tolerate before deviating away to other game systems. Small, skirmish games are fast, and fun, and importantly, don't demand the same money and time investment. Sorry, Games Workshop. Warhammer 40,000 is at risk of taking the back seat, for now.

biccat wrote: More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

Emphasis mine.

Why would buying from your FLGS hurt your FLGS. I don't understand.

DarthOvious wrote:

biccat wrote: More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

Emphasis mine.

Why would buying from your FLGS hurt your FLGS. I don't understand.

How about this?

As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money.

Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores

Multiple edits are bad.

The impression I got from other posters was that they didn't like the new GW price. So they're going to online retailers in order to pay a lower price. But the lower price you pay from an online retailer doesn't come out of GW's pocket, it comes out of the online retailer's pocket (or rather, affects their earnings).

Sorry if that was unclear.

Hey for the spreadsheet posts, i noticed a few things missing (Ork Battle wagon, Necron Monolith, etc) does this mean there not getting an increase or are they a part of the post that was to small to read?

biccat wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

biccat wrote: More on topic, for all of those who are saying they're going to stop buying "GW Direct", you're not really affecting GW. As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money. Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores, where a lot of new players are introduced to the hobby and people play lots of games.

If you want to protest Games Workshop's price increases, do it by hurting GW. Don't protest by hurting your FLGS.

Emphasis mine.

Why would buying from your FLGS hurt your FLGS. I don't understand.

How about this?

As long as you buy through discount stores, ebay (new goods), amazon, or an FLGS, Games Workshop is getting a share of your money.

Discount stores and other online retailers just drive out local game stores, including GW stores

Multiple edits are bad.

The impression I got from other posters was that they didn't like the new GW price. So they're going to online retailers in order to pay a lower price. But the lower price you pay from an online retailer doesn't come out of GW's pocket, it comes out of the online retailer's pocket (or rather, affects their earnings).

Sorry if that was unclear.

I know what you're getting at now. Thanks for the clarification. Local (FLGS) retailers though will charge what they know they can afford and get away with. Yes, it's cheaper to get your items at your FLGS if you get a 10% discount, but I would imagine they factor that into what they can reasonably get away with selling their minis and still make a profit. I think they do it in order to get more customers.

I wanted to buy a drop pod one time from a FLGS but they didn't have one in stock. They offered to order one for me in. When I told them it was OK I'll try elsewhere they said to me on the spot the words "We're cheaper than Games Workshop". Unfortunately though I needed to get one for next week and I said to him that I wouldn't be back in town until next week. Hence why I had to look elsewhere.

SInce I came back to the hobby earlier this year I have been purchasing things from GW. I've never really had a problem with the price hikes and I can understand that prices need to be raised due to inflation. However this is now the third year running that I know of that price hikes have been introduced and its not just a simple 2-3% across the board for inflation. Some items are going up 20% or 30%. I'm really thinking about my options now and whats the best way to go about things. I'm not going to quit the hobby, I'm not even going to quit 40k/fantasy, but I do need to look after my wallet. So I'm either thinking of buying more things from the FLGS in town where I go every Saturday, ironically to play 40k at Games Workshop or I buy online from a discounted retailer.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:
Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since 2000.

Neither can I. Most things went up waaay more.

Really what are you buying? "A fool and his money are some party!"

Andrew1975 wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:
Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since 2000.

Neither can I. Most things went up waaay more.

Really what are you buying? "A fool and his money are some party!"

Perhaps he was spending it on blackjack and hookers.

This level of price increase is disgusting. They are taking a gamble with their profit margins\revenue by doing this in this economy.

Net: I won't be buying any new armies; period. I will just maintain the ones I have, update them for each new edition. I will only be buying a minimal
amount of models needed for my list(s). I will buy nothing because it looks cool. GW can only obsolete a certain % of models in your army between
editions. Some stuff will always be valid.

I am lucky I have massive armies that are mostly done. This price increase will have a minimal impact on me. However, new guys just getting into the game,
or yo yo's that sell their army cheap to buy a new one - are screwed.

You can make some full units/vehicles with horde of bits too.

gilljoy wrote:As someone said over on bell of lost souls if every single member there (and I'm assuming here) stoped buying GW products it wouldnt even make a dip in there profits.

What we need to be doing is bombarding GW with letter and emails about the fact that we're unhappy with yet another price rise. Its going to get to the stage where they'll be pricing themselves out of alot of peoples price range. Ranting and raving on here wont make a blind bit of difference because I find it very hard to believe that GW even cares what we say on these forums.

They won't care what you write in a letter either, you can't guilt or shame GW into anything. If the sales from forum users make little impact on their profits, what do you think a series of strongly worded letters will achieve? The majority of shares in GW are held by holding companies there for the profits, not individuals who 'care' about it. The biggest individual owning shares is Kirby himself, and he really doesn't care what you think because he's doing just fine for himself.

GW will only 'care' when the profit margin takes a hit and the dividends can't be covered and banks get funny about lending them money. At which point shareholders outside the daily running of the company, those other than Kirby and his friends, might take more notice but I think it's more likely that they won't 'care' about GW in the way you want them to care about its well being and the customers. Being investors they will just sell up and get out leaving the company in financial trouble with a falling share value. That's probably when someone will buy it out, if there is a company out there actually interested, and they might just want the IP for licencing.

Yeah, TBH, after Kirby retires and the company falls apart, I can easily see a computer game company buying GW, stripping out the IP to use, and selling off the miniatures business to someone.

Howard A Treesong wrote:They won't care what you write in a letter either, you can't guilt or shame GW into anything. If the sales from forum users make little impact on their profits, what do you think a series of strongly worded letters will achieve? The majority of shares in GW are held by holding companies there for the profits, not individuals who 'care' about it. The biggest individual owning shares is Kirby himself, and he really doesn't care what you think because he's doing just fine for himself.

GW will only 'care' when the profit margin takes a hit and the dividends can't be covered and banks get funny about lending them money. At which point shareholders outside the daily running of the company, those other than Kirby and his friends, might take more notice but I think it's more likely that they won't 'care' about GW in the way you want them to care about its well being and the customers. Being investors they will just sell up and get out leaving the company in financial trouble with a falling share value. That's probably when someone will buy it out, if there is a company out there actually interested, and they might just want the IP for licencing.

Letters can make a difference. It's an extreme long shot but it has more of a chance of helping the cause than posting on here.

Whether a company cares about its perceived public opinion separates elite companies from the pack. Do you think McDonald's or Starbucks give a crap if I am unhappy with my $5 order? Financially, not at all. But still, if I let them know why I am unhappy, they apologize and shower with me free food coupons. And then there are always exceptions...I'm looking at you Apple. /soapbox

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

Stop advertising, losing potential new customers to lack of knowledge. Now they are going to start to lose new customers to price as well.

Where the hell did the people who run GW get their buisness education?

Greendale Community College

E Pluribus Anus.

fulop78 wrote:Let's try to turn this into something positive.
If you want to quit gw these are two great opportunities to get into a new game

Tor Gaming Relics
http://www.indiegogo.com/theNuem

GCT Studios Bushido
http://www.indiegogo.com/bushido

For about $100 you'll get two factions and you'll be ready to play with your friend. Wonderful models with lots of character.
I backed both.

Blackwater Gulch. FTW!!!

Historica Rodenta. FTW!!!

Empire of the Dead. FTW!!!

Heck, any other system... and YOU will actually pay less for the whole system then you will for even 1 army of GW's ... stuff.

and in some of the aboves, you can actually discuss topics with the creators of the games...


If there was a time to get in on a ground floor of new games... this is that time.

Grot 6 wrote:

fulop78 wrote:Let's try to turn this into something positive.
If you want to quit gw these are two great opportunities to get into a new game

Tor Gaming Relics
http://www.indiegogo.com/theNuem

GCT Studios Bushido
http://www.indiegogo.com/bushido

For about $100 you'll get two factions and you'll be ready to play with your friend. Wonderful models with lots of character.
I backed both.

Blackwater Gulch. FTW!!!

Historica Rodenta. FTW!!!

Empire of the Dead. FTW!!!

Heck, any other system... and YOU will actually pay less for the whole system then you will for even 1 army of GW's ... stuff.

and in some of the aboves, you can actually discuss topics with the creators of the games...


If there was a time to get in on a ground floor of new games... this is that time.

yeah! Then you can claim you played it before it was cool, and you would be right.

"This price rise doesn't effect my army so why should I care?". Why does this sound familiar?

Mantic.

That is all.

I have been buying ever decreasing GW products for a while now, and this was the last nail on the coffin. Will I stop playing WH or 40K? Hardly, I like the game, I like the scales of the battles

Paints and hobby supply – I never actually bought them Vallejo is a much better and more complete manufacturer at better prices.

Rulebooks – Will not be buying them any more, can easily be accessed online.

Fantasy – I have not bought fantasy products in quite a while now, my existing empire army was rendered highly under per formant due to meta changes. Luckily there are a plethora of fantasy and historical 28mm manufacturers out there. Scale is only an issue if you mix them both together in the same unit, otherwise it is not a problem nor does it look out of place. Certain things I will still get from GW until a better solution presents it self, but those are things that while out of scale, will not be detrimental for the look/feel or the gamming experience. Aka Heroes, Monsters, monstrous cav (with riders on 28mm), and so on, this are things that are things that are meant to stand out in the blocks (say characters on foot), thus the slightly larger scale will not impact this only make them stand out more, or huge monsters or war machines which will not be an issue since on the fill they are either isolated and or their crew can be replaced.
If the monster warrants it, then I might be tempted to GW model, like may be the empire steam tank or griffons or mage chariots, but it is the nature of this units that they are used may be 1 or 2 in the entire army, thus purchases will be few and far in bet win.
As for alternative plastic minis manufactures here are a few:
Empire: Perry Brothers, War of roses Range, or Pike and Shotte for more Victorian era looking dudes.
Chaos: Avatars of war, warriors of apocalypse.
High elves: Mantic games
Dark elves: Mantic games
Dwarfts: Mantic games
Chaos Dwarfts: Mantic games, Wargames factory
Undead: Mantic games
Orcs: Wargames factory, Mantic games

40k playing marines would be more difficult, however there are other manufacturers like scibor, playing guard would be very simple, there are several manufactures doing them out there.

So guess what, instead of giving op the hobby, I will be starting a new army, switching my entire 2000+ points, I expect to be paying about 150 dollars total, including some GW model and conversion bits.

2 Storm Talons = 2000+ Fantasy army.

Andrew1975 wrote:"This price rise doesn't effect my army so why should I care?". Why does this sound familiar?

First they came for the Space Marines, and I did not speak out --
Because I did not play Space Marines.

Finecast, shares, IP, money all have one thing in common. There only value is a perceived value.
If people decide your currency is worthless, then it is.
When people don't want to buy finecast, then its worthless. If GW persists in producing finecast, to it's present poor standard, it will devalue there IP.
When the public see the game/figures as not worth the price. sales will drop, player numbers will decline, followed by share values.
Letters to GW won't do it, letters to trading standards might.

More price rise's hasten the tip over point

biccat wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:"This price rise doesn't effect my army so why should I care?". Why does this sound familiar?

First they came for the Space Marines, and I did not speak out --
Because I did not play Space Marines.

Wow. Did this thread just get Godwin'd before it got Draigo'd? That's pretty special.

From Warseer: take particular note on space marine and chaos marine prices
Warriors of Chaos Battlaion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Empire Battalion (May 2012) Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Skaven Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £65.00
Vampire Counts Battalion (Feb 2012) Bundle Warhammer £75.00 £70.00
Lizardmen Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Orcs & Goblions Battalion Bundle Warhammer £70.00 £60.00
High Elves Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Dark Elf Battalion Bundle Warhammer £70.00 £60.00
Ogre Kingdoms Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Beastmen Battalion Bundle Warhammer £60.00 £60.00
Tomb Kings Battalion Bundle Warhammer £70.00 £70.00
Dark Angels Ravenwing Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £60.00
Space Marine Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £80.00 £60.00
Space Wolves Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Blood Angels Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £65.00
Chaos Space Marine Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £80.00 £60.00
Ork Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Eldar Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Cadian Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £75.00 £65.00
Tyranid Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £75.00 £70.00
Necrons Battleforce (Feb 2012) Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £65.00
Dark Eldar Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Tau Empire Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £75.00 £60.00
Chaos Daemons Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £65.00

I've not been in the hobby for too long, but I can remember when Battleforce's were £50.

How are Eldar prices being affected? I've been thinking of starting an Eldar army for a while now.

Andrew1975 wrote:"This price rise doesn't effect my army so why should I care?". Why does this sound familiar?

Methinks you'll be singing a different tune when your army is nurtured by 6th edition rules

evilsponge wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:"This price rise doesn't effect my army so why should I care?". Why does this sound familiar?

Methinks you'll be singing a different tune when your army is neutered by 6th edition rules

There fixed it

Just Dave wrote:I've not been in the hobby for too long, but I can remember when Battleforce's were £50.

I remember when they were £40 when they first appeared with 3rd ed. 40k. Battleforces were supposed to be a money saving option in starting a new force or expanding an existing one. Looks like after 14 years that idea has been thrown to the wayside...

GW, just:

Well, thats me finally done with GW then. Even though I could "afford" the new prices, they were already near too high for me, this just pushes it too far. Considering I tended to spend between £200 to £400 each month at my local GW on me and my kid... Well, their loss.

What system to focus on now...

Alairan wrote:Well, thats me finally done with GW then. Even though I could "afford" the new prices, they were already near too high for me, this just pushes it too far. Considering I tended to spend between £200 to £400 each month at my local GW on me and my kid... Well, their loss.

What system to focus on now...

2 words for you: Dropzone Commander. Preorders go up in a weeks time.

Would anybody really notice the difference if GW increased their prices?

Alairan wrote:Well, thats me finally done with GW then. Even though I could "afford" the new prices, they were already near too high for me, this just pushes it too far. Considering I tended to spend between £200 to £400 each month at my local GW on me and my kid... Well, their loss.

What system to focus on now...

5 words for you. Infinity.
And look at these:

Alairan wrote:Well, thats me finally done with GW then. Even though I could "afford" the new prices, they were already near too high for me, this just pushes it too far. Considering I tended to spend between £200 to £400 each month at my local GW on me and my kid... Well, their loss.

What system to focus on now...

Infinity
Warmahordes.
I would say dropzone commander but no prices, background, rules information yet etc. Models are lovely but game and prices could halt it being any good

Dropzone Commander asthetics aren't really to my taste.

However, Infinity is bring out some nice stuff these days. Its a bit of a shame no one else really offers the "plastic posing" range that games workshop does, but hey.

Infinity and Spartan Games systems are on my list right now.

Well, im going for infinity. I probably will stay on 40k, with IG and Tyranids armies... But them, they will not have GW models on it (excepet for the extremely necessary), i can see myself doying a great work with those Defiance Games BUGs (who actually looks like bugs).

Also Brushfire, The only skirmish game that is a Dakka Advertiser

The price increase made me order the Malifaux rulebook, two card decks and two starter crews.

I'll focus on my Heavy Gear WFPA army and my Warmachine Mercs instead of 40k.

If 6th ed and the new chaos marine codex is good then I might finish my Death Guard army with other companies miniatures, otherwise I will continue with 2nd ed 40k.

I started Warmachine/Hordes officially about 3 months back... havent' looked back. I still enjoy 40k, but I can't keep up with these prices. I dumped way too much coin in the last few years into it... thinking of selling off my tyranids & GK's and just keeping the crons for when I do play 40k.

Kings of war as an alternative to WHF

Just Dave wrote:

Alairan wrote:Well, thats me finally done with GW then. Even though I could "afford" the new prices, they were already near too high for me, this just pushes it too far. Considering I tended to spend between £200 to £400 each month at my local GW on me and my kid... Well, their loss.

What system to focus on now...

5 words for you. Infinity.
And look at these:

Spoiler:

I find Infinity models are really hit and miss. I do like the Armored Core rip offs thought. I always wanted an AC model. But I guess that's why I play Panoceania. Or was it because I can make a magister list with nothing but explody things? Hmmm.

Anyway, model for model, infinity is still more expensive than GW. But when you only need six models to play? It's a saving. Also, Anima Tactics is awesome! Fun game, great miniatures at a low cost. Most minis at well below a blister of GW anything.

Heavy Gear Blitz for me...which isn't cheap but GW has depleted my patience. Will keep the Tau I have but the space marines being collected as my next army will be headed for sale.

Just got off the phone with GW, the price increases are legit.

Oh, and we own a FLGS and got the price sheets directly from the source.

WTF, GW? Do you WANT people to play other games? I don't get this.

Reecius wrote:Just got off the phone with GW, the price increases are legit.

Oh, and we own a FLGS and got the price sheets directly from the source.

WTF, GW? Do you WANT people to play other games? I don't get this.

Aye, its making warmahordes look more and more appealing. Cheaper, nice models, and great community.

Reecius wrote:Just got off the phone with GW, the price increases are legit.

Oh, and we own a FLGS and got the price sheets directly from the source.

WTF, GW? Do you WANT people to play other games? I don't get this.

Yay, a reliable source! Thanks, Reece.

The prices as listed earlier in the thread are the right ones then?

Zid wrote:

Reecius wrote:Just got off the phone with GW, the price increases are legit.

Oh, and we own a FLGS and got the price sheets directly from the source.

WTF, GW? Do you WANT people to play other games? I don't get this.

Aye, its making warmahordes look more and more appealing. Cheaper, nice models, and great community.

The thing I appreciated with it was literally straight out of the $50 (CAD) battle box, I was able to play. I didnt need to buy a codex or rulebook since it came with a quick ruleset sheet which teaches you the game. Also gives you a warcaster and jacks...

Is it as big and grand scale as 40k? No, not until you start getting into the 50 point games, but even that will only cost you 300-400 vs a 2k point game for 40k which will run you about $600... well probably like $800-$1000 now lol

The prices listed earlier were a bit off, but mostly accurate. The Stormraven and Land Raider indeed went to second mortgage on your home expensive.

Some of the other SKU's weren't right, but it is really close.

Sooooooooooooooo stupid.

Reecius wrote:The prices listed earlier were a bit off, but mostly accurate. The Stormraven and Land Raider indeed went to second mortgage on your home expensive.

Some of the other SKU's weren't right, but it is really close.

Sooooooooooooooo stupid.

Good to know. Thanks for the update!

Well sadly I'm starting a family and it's time to hang up my wargaming. So anyone interested in some blood angels and imperial guard hydras let me know lol

Nagashek wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

Stop advertising, losing potential new customers to lack of knowledge. Now they are going to start to lose new customers to price as well.

Where the hell did the people who run GW get their buisness education?

Greendale Community College

E Pluribus Anus.

as I said ....

Well, do you really guys think that GW is worrying about customer complains due to prices increase? This is the one of GW goals to become a “Premium Hobby”, what does it mean is they want to sell less with higher profit margin.

This activity will let them to reduce manpower and other non-value added in their process, therefore increase in profitability of company.

Look at the Forgeworld, to manufacture the resin model from RTV silicone mould is cheaper than from plastic injection. I can assure you that GW margin is about 15% (bear in mind ALL retailers get 35% discount) where FW is 300%+.

So what is better for business? Sell 1 squad of 10 Kriegs form £36 – made from resin for max. £5 cost … or squad of 10 plastic moulding injection duds for £20 made for £8? How many plastic injection duds you have to sell to make same profit? Who much logistic and manpower must be used for that?


Even if the GW sales drops form 20%, they will still make massive profit on reduction of operational cost and other non-value added.

Conclusion: I stop buying GW dudsmens last year after prices increase and seeing their policy and I redirected my cash to PP, why? Because I got same fun, better balanced armies, cheaper models, good customer service (official PP forum!). for £300 I got 2 x 50 pts armies, where in GW world I would have just one….

This is truly stunning.

As a strategic business guy (the day job) their entire management team I think needs to go.

I honestly don't think they really understand their market, or their game. They claim its a casual game, but are pricing themselves out of any kind of "casual" market.

The barrier to entry was already a steep investment (I have to build and paint my toys?) but this? these prices are insane.

So who wants to organize an worldwide boycott?
I wish I were rich enough to buy the company and fire these guys.

Kinda off topic but I don't see the ork battlewagon on the list. An I missing something? I need to pick 3 up and debating if I need to do it at this very moment ir not.

davethepak wrote:So who wants to organize an worldwide boycott?

You're looking for the boycott thread, I think.

Not all SKUs went up in price, only about 30% of them.

The rest or more will likely go up next year.

Reecius wrote:The prices listed earlier were a bit off, but mostly accurate. The Stormraven and Land Raider indeed went to second mortgage on your home expensive.

Some of the other SKU's weren't right, but it is really close.

Sooooooooooooooo stupid.

Did you get the when?

First of June the prices go into effect. We have until Thursday of next week, possibly Friday to buy anything at the current price.

Reecius, you able to comment how much land raiders are actually going to be?

Reecius wrote:Not all SKUs went up in price, only about 30% of them.

The rest or more will likely go up next year.

Thank you.

The price you guys saw was accurate for Land Raiders and Storm Ravens.

god.ra wrote:

Nagashek wrote:

Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.

Stop advertising, losing potential new customers to lack of knowledge. Now they are going to start to lose new customers to price as well.

Where the hell did the people who run GW get their buisness education?

Greendale Community College

E Pluribus Anus.

as I said ....

Look at the Forgeworld, to manufacture the resin model from RTV silicone mould is cheaper than from plastic injection. I can assure you that GW margin is about 15% (bear in mind ALL retailers get 35% discount) where FW is 300%+.

So what is better for business? Sell 1 squad of 10 Kriegs form £36 – made from resin for max. £5 cost … or squad of 10 plastic moulding injection duds for £20 made for £8? How many plastic injection duds you have to sell to make same profit? Who much logistic and manpower must be used for that?


Even if the GW sales drops form 20%, they will still make massive profit on reduction of operational cost and other non-value added.

Conclusion: I stop buying GW dudsmens last year after prices increase and seeing their policy and I redirected my cash to PP, why? Because I got same fun, better balanced armies, cheaper models, good customer service (official PP forum!). for £300 I got 2 x 50 pts armies, where in GW world I would have just one….

As someone who works in marketing, manufacturing distribution and supply chain, unless GW is operation on some other planet, (well, their manager is) a lot of these things are very untrue.

Plastic injection is DIRT cheap compared to resin. The start up capital and tooling costs (making the molds) are VERY expensive comparativly, but the economies of scale, the time to final inventory and labor are NOTHING compared to resin per unit. Plastic is very very cheap. You just have to sell a lot of them.
Which as they just raised their prices...they wont.

Higher prices only work for a small amount of time...as soon as volumes drop your per unit price goes up on your fixed costs (machines, facilities, non-variable labor, licensing, etc.) this VERY quickly can make anything unprofitable.

The challenge for GW is that the idiots making the game don't get the fact they are selling a game.
They think "hey we make great models, people will pay". No, they are selling entertainment, which their competitors are easily able to do for less.

That and here is a hint gw: if a model is not selling enough (oh, like say...a biovore, or stealth suits, or the command squad) maybe instead of making the models more expensive to make more money, how about making the rules suck less (i.e. the real incentive - to play with them).
I mean has any at gw wondered why hive guard sell more than biovores? Or why GK sell better than tau?

Get a clue GW....time for a worldwide boycott.

JOHIRA wrote:Plenty of other companies offer equivalent or even superior products to GW at a lower price (Red Box Games and Infinity for a start) .

That depends on what you're looking for. For me, the only company that even comes close is Defiance, and they're far from established. In simple terms, I will not play a large battle game that doesn't have multi-part plastic models. The Mongoose SST game was promising for a while, but we all know how that turned out...

JOHIRA wrote:GW's miniatures are not that great

They're not true and pure works of art, but they are the standard by which other manufacturers (Mantic, Defiance, etc.) are evaluated.

JOHIRA wrote:their aesthetic is not that great

That's rather subjective.

JOHIRA wrote:their rules are downright terrible

GW rules are quite good and are about to be updated. While they are a little more "casual" than several other rules sets, I would gladly take GW's rules-- where you might have to look at designer intent every once and again-- over (for instance) Corvus Belli's Infinity rules, which aren't even translated correctly, or Warmachine's combo-oriented play.

JOHIRA wrote:and their IP has become stale and uninteresting compared to their competitors.

This is close to objectively wrong. GW's IP is so popular and valuable that outside companies pay GW in order to have the chance to use GW IP!

JOHIRA wrote:The only thing GW can offer that their rivals can't is that you can go into any gaming shop in the world and chances are good if anyone plays miniatures there, that someone will play GW.

That is a strong advantage of GW, though not their only advantage. GW also has their own retail network, magazine, etc.

JOHIRA wrote:If they want to press that market advantage, they need to make their miniatures cheaper than their competitors.

Says who? GW's been doing quite well thus far, and if past trends hold, they're about to spike up dramatically with 6th edition 40k and The Hobbit up for release soon...

Cyporiean wrote:
Also Brushfire from On The Lamb
http://www.on-the-lamb.com
For $71* you and a buddy are all set.

*Two $35 Warbands & a $1 PDF Rulebook

71 Dollars and all I get are 10 tiny standard quality miniatures? Are you even being serious here? You are no better than GW, sorry Pal.

Max Jet wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:
Also Brushfire from On The Lamb
http://www.on-the-lamb.com
For $71* you and a buddy are all set.

*Two $35 Warbands & a $1 PDF Rulebook

71 Dollars and all I get are 10 tiny standard quality miniatures? Are you even being serious here? You are no better than GW, sorry Pal.

Depending on the faction your dealing with 40mm or 50mm figures, and unlike GW we give you every option the unit can take for every model.



In addition, Brushfire's standard game size is 10 to 20 miniatures.

Cyporiean wrote:

Max Jet wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:
Also Brushfire from On The Lamb
http://www.on-the-lamb.com
For $71* you and a buddy are all set.

*Two $35 Warbands & a $1 PDF Rulebook

71 Dollars and all I get are 10 tiny standard quality miniatures? Are you even being serious here? You are no better than GW, sorry Pal.

Depending on the faction your dealing with 40mm or 50mm figures, and unlike GW we give you every option the unit can take for every model.

Spoiler:

In addition, Brushfire's standard game size is 10 to 20 miniatures.

Then excuse my ignorance. It sounds better now, but still too expensive for my personal own taste as your competition (as long as it fits your taste) does have better offers. In addition I don't think the game size might be a good argument. A decent game requiring 5 Miniatures is in no right to charge the price of a 30 miniatures game, I think you get the point.

But please do accept my apology for the snarky remark.

Max Jet wrote:Then excuse my ignorance. It sounds better now, but still too expensive for my personal own taste as your competition (as long as it fits your taste) does have better offers. In addition I don't think the game size might be a good argument. A decent game requiring 5 Miniatures is in no right to charge the price of a 30 miniatures game, I think you get the point.

But please do accept my apology for the snarky remark.

No worries, We've had worst slung at us.

I will point out though that Warmachine starter sets give you 3~4 models with no options for $50, where as ours are 5~6 with options for $35 (Which also have Dice and Quickstart rules).

I can also confirm a price hike for Germany, taking effect 4th June. Retailers got informed today by email. The list is not as long and brutal as the proposed US list, still 150 price increases and one drop (Sentinel goes down 2€). Here some examples:

13 € up: Storm Raven and Mumak
10€ up: Batallions of Vampire Counts, Orcs&Goblins, Dark Elves, and Tomb Kings. Battleforces of Space Marines, Blood Angels, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Eldar.
5€ up: Batallions of Warriors of Chaos, Empire, Skaven, Lizardmen, Hgh Elves, Oger Kingdoms, plus Battleforces of Dark Angels Ravenwing, Space Wolves, Orks, Eldar, Cadia, Tyranids, Necrons, Tau, and Daemons.
7€ up: Codex Space Marines, Predator, Daemon Prince, Mordor Troll (Bastion up 9.50€).
6€ up: Codex Tau and Black Templar (were not raised to 26€ at last price hike, now catched up), DA Veterans, Skaven HPA (Garden of Morr up 6.50€)
4€ up: Modular regiment bases.
3.50 € up: All hardcover armybooks, Aegis Defense Line, Empire Wizard, Administratum, Seekers, Orc Boar Riders, Pistoliers, Marauder Horsemen, Screaming Bell, Coven Throne.
plus a hundred price rises of 3€ or below.

Fun fact: Land Raider prices stay the same (although Rhino, CSM Rhino, Drop Pod, Razorback, Raider, Pickup and Command Barge go up 3€).

Reecius wrote:The prices listed earlier were a bit off, but mostly accurate. The Stormraven and Land Raider indeed went to second mortgage on your home expensive.

Some of the other SKU's weren't right, but it is really close.

Sooooooooooooooo stupid.

Has FFG released the intended price of the Descent 2nd Edition board game to retailers yet? I'm curious to see if that boxed sequel to a very fun game with a bunch of tiles and tons of minis will end up costing around the price of a Storm Raven.

We have not received anything from FFG as of yet.

I wonder, FLGS owners, do you find GW products selling more or less these days?

I'm curious if these annual price increases are actually reducing volume of sales or not.

To that end, if the volume isn't going down there is little reason for GW to discontinue its price increases. The incentives for doing so are obvious.

TobyDog wrote:Its June 1...
And some of the prices Are insane...

$74.25 for any of the Land raiders

How about no?...I WILL NOT pay anything close to that for a LR. Ive been toying with the idea of getting a LR and the Chapterhouse conversion kit, but at that price both companies will lose the sale.

@Dracos

Too son to tell. The news on this just broke, most of our customers don't know yet and the increases won't go into effect until June.

Fantasy has dwindled big time though. 40K has always been a big seller for us, we'll see what happens.

Hey pissed-off gamers:

Drop GW like a hot rock. Check out Infinity, it's just as fun- and isn't produced by a bunch of corporate jackasses who blatantly pull "eff you gimme your money" moves.

Sorry Reecius I was more referring to the result of the same thing last year. IIRC, they did a very similar, though perhaps less dramatic, increase at the same time.

Lets not even limit it to that single increase. Do you notice a decrease in sales following any of GWs price increases? Are sales of GW products on the decline over the last few years for you?

Don't think Reece/FLG has been around that long I'm afraid...

Thanks for the confirmations Reece.

Ah ok, any other game store owners/workers want to offer insight to how they've seen previous GW price increases affect sales volumes?

@ Reecius

Ya know, I'm starting to believe those 6thED rumors about vehicles and structure points.

Perhaps that is a reason that they jacked up the price on the Screaming Chickens (storm ravens and their kin) and other vehicles. They should be tougher to destroy.

But then again we who been in the hobby since the stone age knows better about Games Workshop and how they run a business.

pretre wrote:Good to know. Thanks for the update!

You seem almost jubilant at this news pretre.

Has there been any word on the UK price changes? I doubt GW will push them up in a way that reflects the exchange rates - they like to think of corporate strategy as a series of arbitrary decisions.

Wells, Kirby et al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbG5Onm0EuY

GW is a cheap hobby. I have other hobbies and GW is way cheaper. Rebuilding cars or kite surfing are both way more expensive.

skkipper wrote:GW is a cheap hobby. I have other hobbies and GW is way cheaper. Rebuilding cars or kite surfing are both way more expensive.

Yeah, I've got to admit, my hobby of enriching uranium in my custom-built backyard underground bunker is waaaaaay more expensive than what I used to spend on GW.

Davylove21 wrote:Has there been any word on the UK price changes? I doubt GW will push them up in a way that reflects the exchange rates - they like to think of corporate strategy as a series of arbitrary decisions.

Wells, Kirby et al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbG5Onm0EuY

There is a price hike coming. I cannot confirm when or on what, but it is coming.

infinite_array wrote:

skkipper wrote:GW is a cheap hobby. I have other hobbies and GW is way cheaper. Rebuilding cars or kite surfing are both way more expensive.

Yeah, I've got to admit, my hobby of enriching uranium in my custom-built backyard underground bunker is waaaaaay more expensive than what I used to spend on GW.

lol! I was going to reply to that with something similar, but you put it so eloquently here there is just no point.

Savnock wrote:Hey pissed-off gamers:

Drop GW like a hot rock. Check out Infinity, it's just as fun- and isn't produced by a bunch of corporate jackasses who blatantly pull "eff you gimme your money" moves.

I might just do that, in fact. Is the entire Infinity line plastic? What are the average army sizes? A lot of the models look great.

Another game I'm heavily considering is Dust Warfare, but there are a few problems, namely the limited number of factions (three). And due to the totally understandable popularity of NAZI ZOMBIES AND MIND CONTROLLED GORILLAS, you can bank on 7 out of ten 10 players only using the Axis.

TheSovereign wrote:

Savnock wrote:Hey pissed-off gamers:

Drop GW like a hot rock. Check out Infinity, it's just as fun- and isn't produced by a bunch of corporate jackasses who blatantly pull "eff you gimme your money" moves.

I might just do that, in fact. Is the entire Infinity line plastic? What are the average army sizes? A lot of the models look great.

The entire line is metal, and the average game consists of about 10-13 miniatures.

I would collect Infinity (it looks interesting), but I have dreamt of being an Imperial Guard general or Chapter Master every night for the past 12 years. Addict for life it seems...

infinite_array wrote:

The entire line is metal, and the average game consists of about 10-13 miniatures.

Hmmm, I'm not a big metal mini fan, TBH.

Reecius wrote:We have not received anything from FFG as of yet.

Poop. I'm a bit excited to hear more about that one but thanks for the quick answer.

Davylove21 wrote:Has there been any word on the UK price changes? I doubt GW will push them up in a way that reflects the exchange rates - they like to think of corporate strategy as a series of arbitrary decisions.

Wells, Kirby et al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbG5Onm0EuY

Owner of my FLGS confirmed this to me tonight, he says that space marine tac squad is going to over £30 and price rises @10% on LR and flying brick (stormraven). Can still order at the old prices, no confirmed date for the switchover but his money is on the bank holiday weekend.

Well i have ordered a FOR and Imperial Sector today just in case, not having those going up by 30% if rumours are true...

Wow over 30 quid for a tac squad absolutely ridiculous, so it would probably cost about 50 quid to create a BT unit, isn't it fantastic?

Dracos wrote:Ah ok, any other game store owners/workers want to offer insight to how they've seen previous GW price increases affect sales volumes?

Yep im interested on this as well, what has been the GW stuff sales volumes over the years, since this price hikes started, stayed steady, decreaded? when the way of Russian subs crossing the ice shell?.

Isengard wrote:

Davylove21 wrote:Has there been any word on the UK price changes? I doubt GW will push them up in a way that reflects the exchange rates - they like to think of corporate strategy as a series of arbitrary decisions.

Wells, Kirby et al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbG5Onm0EuY

Owner of my FLGS confirmed this to me tonight, he says that space marine tac squad is going to over £30 and price rises @10% on LR and flying brick (stormraven). Can still order at the old prices, no confirmed date for the switchover but his money is on the bank holiday weekend.

Wow, I hate to say it but it'll be so hard to justify £30+ for tac squads. It'll mean Dark Sphere prices go to something like £24 instead of £17.25, which is huge. Think I'll get my SM army painted in time for 6th, if the book sucks, I'll sell them on ebay. Hell, even if it's a great book I'll list them at a silly price to see if some Richie Rich kid feels like squeezing his parents. I don't mind slumming it with a list tuned in £cost/game effectiveness if I have to.

Isengard wrote:

Davylove21 wrote:Has there been any word on the UK price changes? I doubt GW will push them up in a way that reflects the exchange rates - they like to think of corporate strategy as a series of arbitrary decisions.

Wells, Kirby et al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbG5Onm0EuY

Owner of my FLGS confirmed this to me tonight, he says that space marine tac squad is going to over £30 and price rises @10% on LR and flying brick (stormraven). Can still order at the old prices, no confirmed date for the switchover but his money is on the bank holiday weekend.

No way a tac squad will be over 30 quid. That would be insanity, even for GW. Terminators on the other hand......

Hehe how are new players going to get brought in?

"Daddy please can I start the space marines all I need for a beginners match is a hq and 2 troops"
"Ok son lets get this commander and 2 tac squads for you to start a little game"
"That will be £80 please........"

Something else occured to me on this score, why do GW insist on this cloak and dagger approach to the price rise, which will leak and then blaze the whole set of rises in one go? Surely it is hugely antagonistic to people to suddenly find a 10% hike in prices across a wide part of the range? This is way above even the current high level of inflation, it smacks of profiteering and is bizarre in such a weak economic situation.

Why don't they trail the rises to let people beat them a bit, stagger them across the year, allow a bit of bite-back with a sale or promotion?

I can only assume that their strategy is to hit customers with a short, sharp shock, get the pain over and hope they will readjust quickly. The simple fact is that with the majority of British wages (can't speak for the rest of the world!) either frozen or increasing below inflation this sort of price hike is 100% guaranteed to result in less sales. It just means people will buy less units at higher prices, people are not seeing wage growth that will allow them to simply absorb these prices. With food and fuel soaring it is not really an option to simply commit more of the disposable income to GW, it is a luxury and can be cut back. If my wages were going up 10% I might keep up, they aren't so I will simply buy less.

GW acts as if they are controlling an essential item that cannot be lived without. UK consumers question why utilities companies don't seem to compete on gas prices and keep hiking them up BUT they have to have gas to heat their homes, etc so the price is annoying but has to be shouldered. GW imposing a 10% price hike is not essential to the vast majority of gamers.

Personally I won't play anything else, I play 40k because I like the scale, the figures and most of all the hugely rich background. I don't especially like wargames per se and Warmachine looks like a cheap skirmish based GW knock-off to me. So I just cut back my hobby spend overall in terms of amount. SO GW sell less again. Less sales = worse economies of scale. If they are buying in raw plastic then they will now be buying thousands of tonnes less per year and therefore the price will rise. They are surely better off selling as much as they can at lower prices.

It is perverse, I just can't figure out their angle? Making it an elite hobby is silly as where is the gateway? Much of the client base is not especially well-off and lives for GW, it has little give to increase spend, they spend it all already. It is not a game played predominantly by the rich as far as I can tell. Do they want a situation where the prices are so high that lawyers and accountants who play start to dominate because only they can afford multiple vehicles? How will new players be brought in? I would not pay £250 for an army for my son, end of. I'm even more confused and perplexed than I was by last year's rises. I honestly believed that this year they would not ramp up prices anywhere near as much, whereas they have in fact increased them by more. Some models have gone up by almost 100% in about 5 years. That's insane!

Aye Reds8n noted earlier in DCM, Wayland made a note on their facebook wall about the incoming price change.

I ordered a bucket load of Terrain (which seems to have been hit the hardest) I'd been pondering over for Mordheim/40K plus a Baneblade and Stompa.

Thats me pretty much done for a good long while. (Excepting the lone 6th rulebook purchase of course) Going to start painting, maybe in a year I'll have both my armies painted up.

unmercifulconker wrote:Wow over 30 quid for a tac squad absolutely ridiculous, so it would probably cost about 50 quid to create a BT unit, isn't it fantastic?

Or you could just go to Hoard o Bitz and mix CSM and regular SM parts and have a squad that looks just fine for about twenty five dollars.

Additionally

GD 2010 was the last (and only) GD I attended. I remember it was £30 with a free mini.

Now it's £30 and you pay £12.50 at the venue for the figure.

I'll get it off ebay, I'll never go to GD again (so boring!) but it strikes me as another stealth price rise, especially with how popular that mini is going to be.

I can only say on the tac squad what the guy told me. He did not show me the lists or anything but he opened the conversation with "price rise is imminent and you need to order now to beat it". He speculates that the standard marine box (e.g. GK power armour) is 5. The 10 model boxes are nowhere near on the profit margins so they are getting a ramp up, but he might have misread or got it wrong, can't say. I hope he's wrong but he quoted the same prices as have been mentioned on here for the vehicles. I could see the GW logic in this, it costs £40+ to get 10 GK marines but only £23 for vanilla SM tac squad, so it is easy to justify in their minds pushing up the tac squad considerably to make this up.

Never thought of doing that

It just baffles the mind how they think this is a good strategy. As said above my wargaming heart also belongs to warhammer mainly because of the rich universe but this disturbs me.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I ordered a bucket load of Terrain (which seems to have been hit the hardest)

That makes me saddest. Unfortunately, I don't have the money right now to buy the Fantasy terrain I want.

Isengard wrote:I can only say on the tac squad what the guy told me. He did not show me the lists or anything but he opened the conversation with "price rise is imminent and you need to order now to beat it". He speculates that the standard marine box (e.g. GK power armour) is 5. The 10 model boxes are nowhere near on the profit margins so they are getting a ramp up, but he might have misread or got it wrong, can't say. I hope he's wrong but he quoted the same prices as have been mentioned on here for the vehicles. I could see the GW logic in this, it costs £40+ to get 10 GK marines but only £23 for vanilla SM tac squad, so it is easy to justify in their minds pushing up the tac squad considerably to make this up.

Wait, did you mean the grey knight SM tac squad or the regular marines tac squad as well? Because I thought that wasn't supposed to go up much. What do you mean by "The standard marine box is 5"?

Are GK marines metal? If so that would explain it.

Isengard wrote:Something else occured to me on this score, why do GW insist on this cloak and dagger approach to the price rise, which will leak and then blaze the whole set of rises in one go? !

Its disgusting in all honesty, they used to be quite up front about 'adjustments' giving you at least a few weeks to plan purchases and get in before the rises. Now its is mere days, in fact as most subscribers will be receving WD on the monday, if it is the 28th prices go up they will recieve no notice at all!

I honestly cannot think of a another company that treats its loyal fanbase with such disregard and disdain...

DiabolicAl wrote:

Isengard wrote:Something else occured to me on this score, why do GW insist on this cloak and dagger approach to the price rise, which will leak and then blaze the whole set of rises in one go? !

Its disgusting in all honesty, they used to be quite up front about 'adjustments' giving you at least a few weeks to plan purchases and get in before the rises. Now its is mere days, in fact as most subscribers will be receving WD on the monday, if it is the 28th prices go up they will recieve no notice at all!

I honestly cannot think of a another company that treats its loyal fanbase with such disregard and disdain...

What about lucasarts

Isengard wrote:I can only say on the tac squad what the guy told me. He did not show me the lists or anything but he opened the conversation with "price rise is imminent and you need to order now to beat it". He speculates that the standard marine box (e.g. GK power armour) is 5. The 10 model boxes are nowhere near on the profit margins so they are getting a ramp up, but he might have misread or got it wrong, can't say. I hope he's wrong but he quoted the same prices as have been mentioned on here for the vehicles. I could see the GW logic in this, it costs £40+ to get 10 GK marines but only £23 for vanilla SM tac squad, so it is easy to justify in their minds pushing up the tac squad considerably to make this up.

Plus they have the additional problem of starter set tac squads being sold off extremely cheaply and bits bought to change the special weapon, devastator box sets for any different heavy weapon. I have to say that with this news I'll be dusting off my dark angels and ebaying them when the supply of cheap marines runs out, shoudl be fetching a good enough price now to treat myself to a private secret Pacific island base from which to take over the world.
With enough spare cash from selling the other squads to advertise for minions*.
That or I'm going to fufil the space pirate plan me and some friends had a few years back, yarr!




*minions must be willing to be turned into zombies if required, mainly because zombies are cool, but it will also make people think it is a zombie apocalypse and they shall not suspect your new El Presidente, me!

unmercifulconker wrote:

DiabolicAl wrote:

Isengard wrote:Something else occured to me on this score, why do GW insist on this cloak and dagger approach to the price rise, which will leak and then blaze the whole set of rises in one go? !

Its disgusting in all honesty, they used to be quite up front about 'adjustments' giving you at least a few weeks to plan purchases and get in before the rises. Now its is mere days, in fact as most subscribers will be receving WD on the monday, if it is the 28th prices go up they will recieve no notice at all!

I honestly cannot think of a another company that treats its loyal fanbase with such disregard and disdain...

What about lucasarts

Seriously lol We need Battlefront 3! Or another Star Wars movie e-freaking-ventually.

unmercifulconker wrote:

DiabolicAl wrote:

Isengard wrote:Something else occured to me on this score, why do GW insist on this cloak and dagger approach to the price rise, which will leak and then blaze the whole set of rises in one go? !

Its disgusting in all honesty, they used to be quite up front about 'adjustments' giving you at least a few weeks to plan purchases and get in before the rises. Now its is mere days, in fact as most subscribers will be receving WD on the monday, if it is the 28th prices go up they will recieve no notice at all!

I honestly cannot think of a another company that treats its loyal fanbase with such disregard and disdain...

What about lucasarts

Runner up to the Star Wars stuff at the beginning

Now, go stop buying GW for a few years folks, and don't get anyone else started with their own stuff barring ebay, you'll see prices drop fast then!

Amen to that

GalacticDefender wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:

DiabolicAl wrote:

Isengard wrote:Something else occured to me on this score, why do GW insist on this cloak and dagger approach to the price rise, which will leak and then blaze the whole set of rises in one go? !

Its disgusting in all honesty, they used to be quite up front about 'adjustments' giving you at least a few weeks to plan purchases and get in before the rises. Now its is mere days, in fact as most subscribers will be receving WD on the monday, if it is the 28th prices go up they will recieve no notice at all!

I honestly cannot think of a another company that treats its loyal fanbase with such disregard and disdain...

What about lucasarts

Seriously lol We need Battlefront 3! Or another Star Wars movie e-freaking-ventually.

No, no more Star Wars movies... it's already dead.. Lucas killed it.

But yes to BF3 : )

The price change is going to be global. Everyone will see it (poos Australia!).

If anyone wants to place an order with us, they can lock in the current prices up until next Friday, 6-1-2012

Just putting 1 + 1 together (and coming up with 3)...but wouldn't a 32% - 33 % increase for DA, BT and Tau suggest that two of those will be heavily advertised soon...maybe in the 6th Ed?

DARK ANGELS VETERAN SPACE MARINES $33.00 $25.00 32.00%

CODEX BLACK TEMPLARS (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%

CODEX TAU EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%

manoknok wrote:Just putting 1 + 1 together (and coming up with 3)...but wouldn't a 32% - 33 % increase for DA, BT and Tau suggest that two of those will be heavily advertised soon...maybe in the 6th Ed?

DARK ANGELS VETERAN SPACE MARINES $33.00 $25.00 32.00%

CODEX BLACK TEMPLARS (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%

CODEX TAU EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%

Deathwing and starter box come to mind. Not sure of the other one, chaos maybe ?

skkipper wrote:GW is a cheap hobby. I have other hobbies and GW is way cheaper. Rebuilding cars or kite surfing are both way more expensive.

I have hobby of collecting sea shells and pebble stones, for free.

GW is way expensive.

Your point?

loki old fart wrote:

manoknok wrote:Just putting 1 + 1 together (and coming up with 3)...but wouldn't a 32% - 33 % increase for DA, BT and Tau suggest that two of those will be heavily advertised soon...maybe in the 6th Ed?

DARK ANGELS VETERAN SPACE MARINES $33.00 $25.00 32.00%

CODEX BLACK TEMPLARS (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%

CODEX TAU EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $33.00 $24.75 33.33%

Deathwing and starter box come to mind. Not sure of the other one, chaos maybe ?

Good point on the Deathwing.../veteran and the rumour point to Chaos...but they only get a paltry 16% price increase...though the Daemon Prince is up there. Maybe it will be Deathwing (+33%) versus modular movement trays (+65%)...

Oh wait. It will be Deathwing using movement trays walking across a battlefield of accessories (+71.74%). That makes economic logic

LunaHound wrote:

skkipper wrote:GW is a cheap hobby. I have other hobbies and GW is way cheaper. Rebuilding cars or kite surfing are both way more expensive.

I have hobby of collecting sea shells and pebble stones, for free.

GW is way expensive.

Your point?

GW seems really cheap when compared to other pastimes such as Meth, or private jet collecting? I think thats what it was

so i just talked to my local store owner and he told me stormravens are going to 82.50, land raiders 74.25 and droppods to 37.25 among other increases.

Reecius wrote:The price change is going to be global. Everyone will see it (poos Australia!).

If anyone wants to place an order with us, they can lock in the current prices up until next Friday, 6-1-2012

Do you actually have to change the prices? My old FLGS would only change the prices on new product ordered at that newer, higher price instead of redoing all their existing stock. It was less work for them and a bit of a thank you for us gamers who shopped locally.

warboss wrote:

Reecius wrote:The price change is going to be global. Everyone will see it (poos Australia!).

If anyone wants to place an order with us, they can lock in the current prices up until next Friday, 6-1-2012

Do you actually have to change the prices? My old FLGS would only change the prices on new product ordered at that newer, higher price instead of redoing all their existing stock. It was less work for them and a bit of a thank you for us gamers who shopped locally.

I assume, then, that your store manually inputs prices?

Most of the ones here scan the bar code, so that wouldn't work.

spacewolved wrote:so i just talked to my local store owner and he told me stormravens are going to 82.50, land raiders 74.25 and droppods to 37.25 among other increases.

Welcome to two days ago!


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Platuan4th wrote:

warboss wrote:

Reecius wrote:The price change is going to be global. Everyone will see it (poos Australia!).

If anyone wants to place an order with us, they can lock in the current prices up until next Friday, 6-1-2012

Do you actually have to change the prices? My old FLGS would only change the prices on new product ordered at that newer, higher price instead of redoing all their existing stock. It was less work for them and a bit of a thank you for us gamers who shopped locally.

I assume, then, that your store manually inputs prices?

Most of the ones here scan the bar code, so that wouldn't work.

Depends on the POS system. Unlikely that it automatically updates at a FLGS.

I'm not seeing anyone complaining about the impending price gouges on the official GW Facebook page, oddly. Unless they're just getting deleted, which I totally would not put past GW.

spacewolved wrote:so i just talked to my local store owner and he told me stormravens are going to 82.50, land raiders 74.25 and droppods to 37.25 among other increases.

so if the us has roughly a $17 increase what will the increase be in Oz from $110?

I bet $140-150 will be the new price

TheSovereign wrote:I'm not seeing anyone complaining about the impending price gouges on the official GW Facebook page, oddly. Unless they're just getting deleted, which I totally would not put past GW.

Last time the fan base raged, they tried eliminating as many responses as they could on the Facebook page, but ultimately the staff just added a post saying they understood the concerns of their customers and created the one post so that people could vent their frustration there rather than leave it with their images.

In the end, it really didn't do a thing as here we are again and all we're gonna do is simply cause the web dudes in charge of their Facebook page to have a long night and nothing more.

The best recourse is to simply vote with the wallet and walk away from the hobby if it is too expensive.

cgage00 wrote:Well sadly I'm starting a family and it's time to hang up my wargaming. So anyone interested in some blood angels and imperial guard hydras let me know lol

I might be interested in the Blood Angels when I get paid at the end of month.

cgage00 wrote:Well sadly I'm starting a family and it's time to hang up my wargaming.

*squints*

Wargaming and families are mutually exclusive? The multitude of people who post here and have kids would seem to suggest otherwise.

Heh, aye, mine are now gamers as well.

So yeah, seems an odd line in the sand.

edit - at the very least I'd advise boxing it, and keeping it in the attic for when said kiddies are older. Never know what you might save if you get back in the door in several years.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

cgage00 wrote:Well sadly I'm starting a family and it's time to hang up my wargaming.

*squints*

Wargaming and families are mutually exclusive? The multitude of people who post here and have kids would seem to suggest otherwise.

On the other hand, toddlers and bitz boxes are sworn enemies.

unmercifulconker wrote:Wow over 30 quid for a tac squad absolutely ridiculous, so it would probably cost about 50 quid to create a BT unit, isn't it fantastic?

Indeed. I remember when the Tacs first came out and they were £10, as plastic was supposed to "be cheaper". I honestly cannot think of anything off the top of my head that has risen 200% in price over the last 14 years.

GalacticDefender wrote:

Isengard wrote:I can only say on the tac squad what the guy told me. He did not show me the lists or anything but he opened the conversation with "price rise is imminent and you need to order now to beat it". He speculates that the standard marine box (e.g. GK power armour) is 5. The 10 model boxes are nowhere near on the profit margins so they are getting a ramp up, but he might have misread or got it wrong, can't say. I hope he's wrong but he quoted the same prices as have been mentioned on here for the vehicles. I could see the GW logic in this, it costs £40+ to get 10 GK marines but only £23 for vanilla SM tac squad, so it is easy to justify in their minds pushing up the tac squad considerably to make this up.

Wait, did you mean the grey knight SM tac squad or the regular marines tac squad as well? Because I thought that wasn't supposed to go up much. What do you mean by "The standard marine box is 5"?

Are GK marines metal? If so that would explain it.

Sorry for not being clear enough. Once again I attach a health warning that this came from the guy who runs the FLGS and he did not show me any lists, etc, just word of mouth.

GW are clearly moving to a model where 5 plastic minis with lots of extras on the sprues (e.g. power armour GK, death company) is the norm rather than say 10 a box with fewer options. These sets of 5 are currently £20.50 a box. The box of 10 standard tac marines is £23. So to buy as many GK power armour marines is £41, a huge differential. The guy said he thought they were looking to close this differentiual in time-honoured GW fashion by upping the price. If say they do go to £31 for the box of 10 tac marines they can still argue that it's £10 cheaper than buying 10 GK in power armur or 10 death company. Yes it's a massive hike but the defence is there. I for one can quite believe they would do this, whether they actually are doing this I can't say for sure.

Grimtuff wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:Wow over 30 quid for a tac squad absolutely ridiculous, so it would probably cost about 50 quid to create a BT unit, isn't it fantastic?

Indeed. I remember when the Tacs first came out and they were £10, as plastic was supposed to "be cheaper". I honestly cannot think of anything off the top of my head that has risen 200% in price over the last 14 years.

30 GBP for a Tactical squad seems extremely unlikely. Tactical Marines generally don't go up too much in cost, and I think if we were going to 5 Marines per box rather than 10 we'd have heard more about it by now.

Fetterkey wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:Wow over 30 quid for a tac squad absolutely ridiculous, so it would probably cost about 50 quid to create a BT unit, isn't it fantastic?

Indeed. I remember when the Tacs first came out and they were £10, as plastic was supposed to "be cheaper". I honestly cannot think of anything off the top of my head that has risen 200% in price over the last 14 years.

30 GBP for a Tactical squad seems extremely unlikely. Tactical Marines generally don't go up too much in cost, and I think if we were going to 5 Marines per box rather than 10 we'd have heard more about it by now.

Seeing as the SM Battleforce is rumoured to be £80, I fully see Tacs being £30 to still give the illusion one saves money when buying a Battleforce...

So if its a 20% increase for the Stormraven then I think that this would make it £51.50 here in the UK if we get a similar 20% increase. Ouch!

Fetterkey wrote:
30 GBP for a Tactical squad seems extremely unlikely. Tactical Marines generally don't go up too much in cost, and I think if we were going to 5 Marines per box rather than 10 we'd have heard more about it by now.

Yeah, most Guard players couldn't believe it when the 10man box reached the price of the old 20man boxes either.

I have no doubts this will be accurate, and the resoning for their staff note book is pretty much expected.

DarthOvious wrote:So if its a 20% increase for the Stormraven then I think that this would make it £51.50 here in the UK if we get a similar 20% increase. Ouch!

Close, SR's are rumoured to be £50.

Wow. I... wow.

I haven't bought any models in a store since 2010. The prices are just insane.

I still remember when I was in my teens and you could buy a box of Marines for pocket money.

How is it that a Tactical squad is now four times the price?

Miraclefish wrote:I still remember when I was in my teens and you could buy a box of Marines for pocket money.

How is it that a Tactical squad is now four times the price?

Its called "inflation".

Darnok @ Warseer wrote:Some more bits...

Originally Posted by Birdy
New prices are in. Some big jumps ahead. Razorback, Demon Prince will be £25. Predator now £35. Stormraven £50. SM Battleforce £80. Even the new Empire Hurricanum has gone up.

I have a giant spreadsheat but dont wanna risk it. Paints are the same price. Brushes up. All 40k scenary up. All new WHF Hardback books now £27.50.

Judging by the spreadsheat would recommend Demon players go out now.


Warriors of Chaos Battlaion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Empire Battalion (May 2012) Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Skaven Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £65.00
Vampire Counts Battalion (Feb 2012) Bundle Warhammer £75.00 £70.00
Lizardmen Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Orcs & Goblions Battalion Bundle Warhammer £70.00 £60.00
High Elves Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Dark Elf Battalion Bundle Warhammer £70.00 £60.00
Ogre Kingdoms Battalion Bundle Warhammer £65.00 £60.00
Beastmen Battalion Bundle Warhammer £60.00 £60.00
Tomb Kings Battalion Bundle Warhammer £70.00 £70.00
Dark Angels Ravenwing Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £60.00
Space Marine Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £80.00 £60.00
Space Wolves Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Blood Angels Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £65.00
Chaos Space Marine Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £80.00 £60.00
Ork Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Eldar Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Cadian Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £75.00 £65.00
Tyranid Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £75.00 £70.00
Necrons Battleforce (Feb 2012) Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £65.00
Dark Eldar Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £65.00 £60.00
Tau Empire Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £75.00 £60.00
Chaos Daemons Battleforce Bundle Warhammer 40,000 £70.00 £65.00
I've also been to my GW store today. The manager had no clue of the price rise and the day it comes into effect at all - even though it's coming on Monday! Always good to know when the staff has no idea what's going on next week... .

£50 stormraven, lovely, £25 Razorback - I can see why they did this since it'll make it a little more expensive than the rhino.

GW are really gona be pricing themselves out of buisness soon.

Grimtuff wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:So if its a 20% increase for the Stormraven then I think that this would make it £51.50 here in the UK if we get a similar 20% increase. Ouch!

Close, SR's are rumoured to be £50.

Actually thats slightly over 20%. I was using a comparable increase using the American prices to get my figure because I wasn't sure if it was a flat out 20% or just roughly 20%. I probably calculated it wrong anyway.

Ouch!! I still have a few things I want to buy for my BA as well. A second Stormraven was one as well as a Land Raider Redeemer. However I wanted to get my 5th Razorback first, another Baal Predator on the two I already have and also two more standard Preds.

I'm actually really cheesed off by the fact that there has been no announcement of this yet. It wouldn't really matter very much anyway since I can only buy so much at a time but it's only common curtesy to give your customers a head up. The fact that miniwargaming has posted this days before GW themselves just says it all. Really sad news as well since it makes it even harder to actually start a different army in the future. I've stuck with my BA since 3rd Ed and its look it's staying that way. For Fantasy I just need a few additions to my Vamps and thats it.

Has there been any official announcement. Usually they do a 'unfortunatly due to the influence of Mammon we need to put up prices so please panic buy in this following week' type thing.

Which if they are going up I'll have to buy £40 of stuff online (which is £50 in GW, which WILL be £60-65?)

For that money I'd rather get a decent boardgame or RPG. I got 2 of the D&D boardgames for my birthday. The miniatures are mass produced, cheap and cheerful but are fine. A major issue with GW is while they are uber detailed I don't really care since sphezz marines are not elites, they are just fodder to die. wound counters if you will. It's even worse for fantasy with hordes and the like...

Fictional wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:I still remember when I was in my teens and you could buy a box of Marines for pocket money.

How is it that a Tactical squad is now four times the price?

Its called "inflation".

I think they've been raising prices higher than inflation really. I'm not sure how you can add 20% onto one model during one price increase and then try to justify that as "inflation".

Fictional wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:I still remember when I was in my teens and you could buy a box of Marines for pocket money.

How is it that a Tactical squad is now four times the price?

Its called "inflation".

Where's a good facepalm when you need one? Here we go:

If you think GW's price rises are in line with inflation, then you're more deluded than the guys running GW.

My first ever non-GW models! I have nfi how I'm going to paint these PanOceania models but man, love the detail. Also very easy to see the difference between GW 28mm and non-GW 28mm.

Oh for goodness sake just realised, how much do you reckon the new ruleook will cost?

edit: might as well wait for starter set.

As far as I'm concerned, the rulebook comes free with the purchase of a starting CSM and DA army...

Fictional wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:I still remember when I was in my teens and you could buy a box of Marines for pocket money.

How is it that a Tactical squad is now four times the price?

Its called "inflation".

Except it's not, which is well-established in each and every thread like this. "Inflation" doesn't account for 25%+ increases in price every single year.

Groundh0g wrote:My first ever non-GW models! I have nfi how I'm going to paint these PanOceania models but man, love the detail.

Yeah, I was kinda surprised by the Infinity models myself. All I've known for the past 6 years or so is GW, and I have to say the Infinity models easily surpass them both in detail and price.

Fictional wrote:Its called "inflation".

Everybody's a comedian.

Wait... you're serious aren't you? Oh dear...

I did NOT just see a SM Battleforce price of £80! I'm so glad I'm not 15 anymore, I'd never be able to get an army

Aye, trading my Ravenwing box back for a Imperial Guard battalion today, also going to get a Catachan one, and a Mansion before the rise, from my local GW.

Really glad I held steady and didn't open the Dark Angels one, normally I'd have faltered after a month.

Well, no second army for me. Maybe it's for the best.

warboss wrote:

Reecius wrote:The price change is going to be global. Everyone will see it (poos Australia!).

If anyone wants to place an order with us, they can lock in the current prices up until next Friday, 6-1-2012

Do you actually have to change the prices? My old FLGS would only change the prices on new product ordered at that newer, higher price instead of redoing all their existing stock. It was less work for them and a bit of a thank you for us gamers who shopped locally.

My LGS put orange stickers on all the in store products. Everything would be scanned in, sure, but he would apply a discount to anything with an orange sticker. It was extra work (as he had to add in the remaining stock of pre-rise items to his spreadsheet to keep people from swapping stickers) but we all appreciated him for it. It helped to continue loyalty for the store even if our loyalty to the product waned, keeping us spending on new items.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:

cgage00 wrote:Well sadly I'm starting a family and it's time to hang up my wargaming.

*squints*

Wargaming and families are mutually exclusive? The multitude of people who post here and have kids would seem to suggest otherwise.

The cost of raising a child to the age of 18 is in excess of $1 million (American). The cost of a new SM army is now much, much more.

Isengard wrote:Personally I won't play anything else, I play 40k because I like the scale, the figures and most of all the hugely rich background. I don't especially like wargames per se and Warmachine looks like a cheap skirmish based GW knock-off to me.

They are just different games. Warmachine is geared more towards competitive gaming while 40K is geared toward casual gaming. And if you played a game of Warmachine, you would realize that it is not a "cheap skirmish based GW-knock off." The rules for Warmachine are 110% different and the game plays nothing like 40K. For starters, PP did a pretty good job in MK2 at making the rules actually make sense. GW on the other hand has never even attempted such a thing.

Grimtuff wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:Wow over 30 quid for a tac squad absolutely ridiculous, so it would probably cost about 50 quid to create a BT unit, isn't it fantastic?

Indeed. I remember when the Tacs first came out and they were £10, as plastic was supposed to "be cheaper". I honestly cannot think of anything off the top of my head that has risen 200% in price over the last 14 years.

In NY...Gasoline, Soda and Cigarettes. Those are just off the top of my head. I'll come up with more eventually. Video games are a toughie, as they typically cost double what they used to with DLC content plus the $10 raise over the past ten years, so that one's on the line. But that's 3 to 4 massive price increases. GW..well, this price rise isn't affecting me (except it may have finally ended my addiction to Daemon Princes).

timetowaste85 wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

unmercifulconker wrote:Wow over 30 quid for a tac squad absolutely ridiculous, so it would probably cost about 50 quid to create a BT unit, isn't it fantastic?

Indeed. I remember when the Tacs first came out and they were £10, as plastic was supposed to "be cheaper". I honestly cannot think of anything off the top of my head that has risen 200% in price over the last 14 years.

In NY...Gasoline, Soda and Cigarettes. Those are just off the top of my head. I'll come up with more eventually. Video games are a toughie, as they typically cost double what they used to with DLC content plus the $10 raise over the past ten years, so that one's on the line. But that's 3 to 4 massive price increases. GW..well, this price rise isn't affecting me (except it may have finally ended my addiction to Daemon Princes).

Legos for through Factory/Pick a brick. Gee another high end hobby item.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/109368

Although considered 'volatile' food prices jumped over 50% in 2010 for some food items (corn for example).

I forgot, the cost of potato chips has sky-rocketed too. What was $3 for a bag of Doritos is now ~$4.50 within the past couple years. Now, that's only a buck fifty per bag difference, but it's also a 50% increase. And that is most certainly a luxury food-there is no redeeming quality to Doritos, unless you consider gaining weight with no nutrients to be redeeming. The survival time of Doritos is also far lower than the survival time of your models-can't ever eat the serving size alone.

And thanks pretre for the Lego comment-I fully agree. They have gone nuts in cost.

Another thing, in college I collected Marvel Legends figures, right up until Hasbro took over. They cost $6.50 when I started, bumped to $8, now Hasbro is charging $12 each for them (95% increase) over the span of less than a decade, with decreased detail, cheaper paints and plastics and they removed the comic books that Toy Biz originally added. Their G I Joe sized line costs more than Toy Biz's 6" figures ever did. You want evil, look to Hasbro. Mother Fethers are worse than GW. I stopped buying ML because of the price-they look nice posed on my desk, but the cost is way too high.

When I was poor, I was pretty against GW raising prices because I couldn't afford them. I feel bad for everyone who is suffering from being priced out of the hobby they love (and especially for Australia and Japan-there are NO excuses for the costs they endure!!), but I don't mind the prices I pay for GW now. I'll pay attention to how GW changes prices compared to other luxury items-if they go crazy compared to others, my spending will eventually end. If they stay close to others, I'll keep buying. That said, if I lived in Australia or Japan, I'd have quit a long time ago-you guys who keep playing and buying are truly dedicated, and I hope GW will eventually (quickly) adjust your prices to be near the rest of ours.

Aw, and I was just thinking about getting an OK battalion.

Very well said timetowaste85.

The amount of rationalization going on in this thread is alarming.

Nagashek wrote:The cost of raising a child to the age of 18 is in excess of $1 million (American). The cost of a new SM army is now much, much more.

Which really doesn't answer my point. I mean, you'd be right if he were going to build a new army... but he already has an army.

timetowaste85 wrote: Another thing, in college I collected Marvel Legends figures, right up until Hasbro took over. They cost $6.50 when I started, bumped to $8, now Hasbro is charging $12 each for them (95% increase) over the span of less than a decade, with decreased detail, cheaper paints and plastics and they removed the comic books that Toy Biz originally added. Their G I Joe sized line costs more than Toy Biz's 6" figures ever did. You want evil, look to Hasbro. Mother Fethers are worse than GW. I stopped buying ML because of the price-they look nice posed on my desk, but the cost is way too high.

I noticed this in Wal-Mart the other day. I wanted a Cyclops figure for my desk. I did not want to pay over $9.00 for a GI Joe sized figure of Cyclops for my desk. My wallet won the debate.

While I'm once again frustrated with GW's decision to continue to drive up prices on something that is already at a pretty high price comparative to the rest of the War Gaming hobby, I am in a position this year that the cost increase doesn't effect me all too much. Mostly because the few purchases I have left to make are non Marine items, and the largest bulk of them (Chimera's) only went up $2.50 each.

oni wrote:The amount of rationalization going on in this thread is alarming.

How dare we think and rationalize! Scandalous.

oni wrote:The amount of rationalization going on in this thread is alarming.

Don’t you mean the amount of whining?

Yeah 'cause how dare we be unhappy about a price increase.

We should all be beaming about it like pretre there.

I wonder if some things went up in price more because they know it will be a hot ticket item in 6th edition?

That would require GW to understand their own rule-system on a wide scale. Given they seem to design Codices (and sometimes units within those Codices) in a vacuum, I doubt this is the case.

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:Aw, and I was just thinking about getting an OK battalion.

Do it would be my recommendation - Ogre Kingdoms Box is going up £5 but much else of the OK line seems unchanged although I haven't read the whole price list, just skimmed it.

The list is up on Gifts for Geeks website, btw

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~Lord Jeffrey


“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain – and most fools do.” – Dale Carnegie

"A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire

Very well done sir!

Aggy wins...

I've also been to my GW store today. The manager had no clue of the price rise and the day it comes into effect at all - even though it's coming on Monday! Always good to know when the staff has no idea what's going on next week... .

I was just at the local GW and a local game store, and both managers didn't know either.

The local GW manager thought the prices wouldn't go up until june 4th at the soonest, and he would perhaps receive the pricing announcement on monday.

So it is all quite messed up.

Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play. Cost of iphone $500 or so depends on contract. It may last 2 years......You do the math. Tank of gas this morning was close to $80 and it will be gone by next week. Model bought yesterday "can" last a lifetime........Its just not that expensive.

Fictional wrote:

Miraclefish wrote:I still remember when I was in my teens and you could buy a box of Marines for pocket money.

How is it that a Tactical squad is now four times the price?

Its called "inflation".

Prices have inflated 72% since 1997. GW's Marines have gone from £9.99 for 10 to £23 (and this is before any June price rise).

Inflation alone would bring it to £17.18. The rest? Well, plastic prices may have gone up, but it just feels like price gouging now.

Tigerone wrote:Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play.

Or until the new codex comes out, anyway.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the register on the desk
And the bells in the steeple too
And up in the factory is an absurd little bird (two headed eagle)
Is popping out to say "cuckoo GW, shame on you"

Cuckoo, Cuckoo

Regretfully they tell us Cuckoo, cuckoo
But firmly they compel us Cuckoo, cuckoo
To say goodbye GW . . .

All the Kroot sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night

Mark Wells says: I hate to price you guys out and leave this pretty sight

The Eldar sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu

Ian Livingstone says: Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu

The Space Marines sing: So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen

Tom Kirby says: I'd like to say I can now afford my first champagne

Chaos Demons sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye

Kevin Rountree says: I heave and a sigh and say thanks for all the cash -- Goodbye!

Steve Jackson says: I'm glad I left, I cannot tell a lie

Nurgle says: I flit, I float, I fleetly flee, I fly and take a crap on you all, Goodbye, Goodbye!

John Peake says: The sun has gone to bed and so must I

And all of Nottingham (and the rest of the world) says: Goodbye!

I hope you have enjoyed the dog and pony show, but instead of buying more gouged out product from a company who does not appreciate it's customer base (14yr olds with expendable Mom and Dads incomes not included), I will join Papa Nurgle and see a man about a horse.

Goodbye!

I wonder if this is just a brilliant ploy by GW to get people to go out and buy their larger kits before "the prices rise".

Maybe there wont be a price rise at all. And in fact they just want to boost sales of Battleforces, Land Raiders, and Stormchickens.

Laughing Man wrote:

Tigerone wrote:Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play.

Or until the new codex comes out, anyway.

And a new codex coming out means you cant use a LR?

Bluetau wrote:I wonder if this is just a brilliant ploy by GW to get people to go out and buy their larger kits before "the prices rise".

Maybe there wont be a price rise at all. And in fact they just want to boost sales of Battleforces, Land Raiders, and Stormchickens.

"The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again" - Santayana

I for one will trade what I can, but I will not be buying new models.

Sidstyler wrote:
Except it's not, which is well-established in each and every thread like this. "Inflation" doesn't account for 25%+ increases in price every single year.

GW does not raise prices "25% every year", lets not get silly. If you average this current price increase over their entire range, it's probably something like 5-6% rise, even though some individual items have got outrageous price hikes.

What people refer as 'inflation' is actually averaged index called Consumer Price Index, where actual annual increases per item range from negative to something like 40%. There is no reason why any company should follow the exact inflation rate in their pricing, and indeed almost none do. Besides, as I have said many times before, CPI is pretty much a crock these days, artificially calculated to be low so politicians can impress peons showing just how low the inflation is.

This is not my only hobby which has got more expensive over last few years. I shoot, and cost of ammo is just ourageous these days: about 50% increase over last five years, that's pretty much GW-like price rise. I kick myself that I didn't buy huge supply back in the day when it was cheap.

Unlike ammunition and guns - they don't change the rules on which gun you have to have or which ammo you have to buy and then price jack those.

Uriels_Flame wrote:Unlike ammunition and guns - they don't change the rules on which gun you have to have or which ammo you have to buy and then price jack those.

I guess you have never shot IPSC.

Comparing wargaming models to other industries is simply a mask for not having a real argument for why a price increase is justified...unless you have a real correlation. Candy goes up, because sugar goes up. Doesn't have much to do with models. Unless you consider that kids who spend their money on candy now have even less to spend on models, so obviously the price of those models needs to go up. No, that doesn't make sense either...

pretre wrote:
Legos for through Factory/Pick a brick. Gee another high end hobby item.
http://www.mocpages.com/moc.php/109368

Which is a terrible example (just imagine how expensive a new GW pick-a-bit or "40k Factory" would be) and doesn't reflect their regular set pricing. I collect Castle series and the sets today are a much better value than they were 10-15 years ago. Even fans of the late 80's to early 90's era "golden age of castle" are calling these latest sets the best ever made...for good reason. Are GW sets today a better value than they were a decade ago?

The Black Falcon's Fortress was released in 1986 at a price of $35. It was re-released in 2003 at $40. King Leo's Castle was released in 2000 and had 524 pieces and 8 figures for $90 (0.17 per piece). The King's Castle in 2010 had 933 pieces and 8 figures for $100 (0.11 per piece), and was a much, much better castle.

Just a page ago I exalted this post...

oni wrote:The amount of rationalization going on in this thread is alarming.

We can do without the cracks and digs at each thanks folks.

On a serious note. Berating someone for complaining about Games Workshop financially screwing them, by pointing out that other companies are doing the same.
Does not further your argument. It merely means you've accepted everybody screwing you.

Just because numerous company's are doing it does not make it right.

On a side, yet related note: Privateer Press just announced their summer warmachine/hordes sale...

Well.. the point is that GW is pretty much alone in the miniature wargame market in doing this. Yes, Warmachine is getting more expensive as well, but I think the luxury of them not being a publically traded company means they will continue to keep their focus on their fans, rather than entirely on hitting the biggest possible profit margin so there will continue to be a pricing discrepancy.

Tigerone wrote:Cost of LR in 2000: $50.00. Still using the same model 12 years later cost per year $4.166 the same model can be used for as long as you wish to play. Cost of iphone $500 or so depends on contract. It may last 2 years......You do the math. Tank of gas this morning was close to $80 and it will be gone by next week. Model bought yesterday "can" last a lifetime........Its just not that expensive.

Just a correction... the 2000 price of the current exact same godhammer land raider was $45 (44.99 to be exact) and not $50. If you're going to bring in pesky numbers to base your argument on, you might as well use the correct one.

Maelstrom Games paints a different picture...

they have a spreadsheet of rises and yes they are bad but we're not looking at 80 quid for a BF... this is assuming Maelstrom figures are correct. June 4th for the rise....

31 quid for a falcon? i remember when they were 17....

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=241

Backfire wrote:
GW does not raise prices "25% every year", lets not get silly. If you average this current price increase over their entire range, it's probably something like 5-6% rise, even though some individual items have got outrageous price hikes.

"5-6% annually" is exponential growth. At 7% you go from $50 to $400 in 30 years. 10 more years and it's up to $800, and so on. Doesn't sound so reasonable now, does it?

DiabolicAl wrote:Maelstrom Games paints a different picture...

they have a spreadsheet of rises and yes they are bad but we're not looking at 80 quid for a BF... this is assuming Maelstrom figures are correct. June 4th for the rise....

31 quid for a falcon? i remember when they were 17....

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=241

Looks like those are maelstrom's retail prices AFTER their discount

Davylove21 wrote:

DiabolicAl wrote:Maelstrom Games paints a different picture...

they have a spreadsheet of rises and yes they are bad but we're not looking at 80 quid for a BF... this is assuming Maelstrom figures are correct. June 4th for the rise....

31 quid for a falcon? i remember when they were 17....

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=new&ref=241

Looks like those are maelstrom's retail prices AFTER their discount

aaah, i thought some of the before hike prices were a bit reasonable.. I cant remember the last time i bought GW models that weren't from Wayland!! (it is only 5 minutes away! )

Uriels_Flame wrote:There's a sad sort of clanging from the register on the desk
And the bells in the steeple too
And up in the factory is an absurd little bird (two headed eagle)
Is popping out to say "cuckoo GW, shame on you"

Cuckoo, Cuckoo

Regretfully they tell us Cuckoo, cuckoo
But firmly they compel us Cuckoo, cuckoo
To say goodbye GW . . .

All the Kroot sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night

Mark Wells says: I hate to price you guys out and leave this pretty sight

The Eldar sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, adieu

Ian Livingstone says: Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu

The Space Marines sing: So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen

Tom Kirby says: I'd like to say I can now afford my first champagne

Chaos Demons sing: So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, goodbye

Kevin Rountree says: I heave and a sigh and say thanks for all the cash -- Goodbye!

Steve Jackson says: I'm glad I left, I cannot tell a lie

Nurgle says: I flit, I float, I fleetly flee, I fly and take a crap on you all, Goodbye, Goodbye!

John Peake says: The sun has gone to bed and so must I

And all of Nottingham (and the rest of the world) says: Goodbye!

I hope you have enjoyed the dog and pony show, but instead of buying more gouged out product from a company who does not appreciate it's customer base (14yr olds with expendable Mom and Dads incomes not included), I will join Papa Nurgle and see a man about a horse.

Goodbye!

Still a better backstory than Bloodtide.

Cadorius wrote:

Backfire wrote:
GW does not raise prices "25% every year", lets not get silly. If you average this current price increase over their entire range, it's probably something like 5-6% rise, even though some individual items have got outrageous price hikes.

"5-6% annually" is exponential growth. At 7% you go from $50 to $400 in 30 years. 10 more years and it's up to $800, and so on. Doesn't sound so reasonable now, does it?

No offense, but 30 years ago we Brits had just barely entered the decimal system (by 2 years) currency wise. Before that we were paying a half-penny for a packet of sweets. Now at the local sweet shop I'm looking at about £1 for a bag and I have a feeling they are smaller bags but I don't really know that since I wasn't even born at that point.

Ok, can someone clarify something for me:

Darksphere list the SM battleforce as going up to £80 so 33.3...%

Maelstrom have it as a 17.07% rise

Who is right?

Apparently Maelstrom offer a discount. So Darksphere probably have the correct price when not discounted.

Nagashek wrote:
The cost of raising a child to the age of 18 is in excess of $1 million (American).

There is no way this is true. You are then saying it costs over $55,000 per year to raise a child.
I can tell you, my wife and I do not make all that much more than this figure after taxes, and we own a home, have 2 car payments, hobbies, and a young child, and we still have some money left over to save at the end of the month.
Please explain where you get this $1,000,000 figure.

According to this site it's $124,000 to $249,000 from 0-17 in the US, based on 2001 numbers

To get back OT, has anyone posted this yet?

http://www.darksphere.co.uk/articles/?news=games-workshop-price-rises-announced

winnertakesall wrote:To get back OT, has anyone posted this yet?

http://www.darksphere.co.uk/articles/?news=games-workshop-price-rises-announced

That has to be some kind of joke? A lot of those are 25% increases..

£80 for a battle force?! Is this the same percentage increase that other territories have seen?

German retailers today got an extended list of price raises, now with 393 products and including the Land Raiders (+7€).The three 40k expansion books (City of Death etc) are raised from 22.75€ to 29€ (+27%), all Eldar Elite boxes by 5€ .

winnertakesall wrote:To get back OT, has anyone posted this yet?

http://www.darksphere.co.uk/articles/?news=games-workshop-price-rises-announced

So THATS the real prices.. ok, i take it all back. Im outraged... this is by far the biggest kick GW have given us.

but then there is SO much quality competition out there to discover im not ALL that bothered game wise... Ill still stay invested in the fluff as its awesome but i may give 6th a miss, especially if it will force me to change the composition of my army....

Hello Infinity/DZC

DarthOvious wrote:No offense, but 30 years ago we Brits had just barely entered the decimal system (by 2 years) currency wise. Before that we were paying a half-penny for a packet of sweets. Now at the local sweet shop I'm looking at about £1 for a bag and I have a feeling they are smaller bags but I don't really know that since I wasn't even born at that point.

You're thinking of 40 years ago. I was born at that point.

Ian Sturrock wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:No offense, but 30 years ago we Brits had just barely entered the decimal system (by 2 years) currency wise. Before that we were paying a half-penny for a packet of sweets. Now at the local sweet shop I'm looking at about £1 for a bag and I have a feeling they are smaller bags but I don't really know that since I wasn't even born at that point.

You're thinking of 40 years ago. I was born at that point.

I was born just over 30 years ago and i remember half penny sweets... (not a pack though) on topic, would anyone care to work out the savings (if any) on buying a space marine battleforce now? The individual contents havent gone up by 33% so the saving must be minute now....

An independent retailor told me they were going up between 10-15% but thats not been confirmed by gw.

This has to be a joke:
40K BATTLEFIELD ACCESSORIES:
old price £7.20 new price £12.00

Up by 67%??!!! .... SERIOUSLY?!

DiabolicAl wrote:

Ian Sturrock wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:No offense, but 30 years ago we Brits had just barely entered the decimal system (by 2 years) currency wise. Before that we were paying a half-penny for a packet of sweets. Now at the local sweet shop I'm looking at about £1 for a bag and I have a feeling they are smaller bags but I don't really know that since I wasn't even born at that point.

You're thinking of 40 years ago. I was born at that point.

I was born just over 30 years ago and i remember half penny sweets... (not a pack though) on topic, would anyone care to work out the savings (if any) on buying a space marine battleforce now? The individual contents havent gone up by 33% so the saving must be minute now....

Rhino - £22.50
Tac Squad - Not listed. I think someone said it was going to be £30
Combat Squad - £15.50 (no change as far as I can see)
Assault Squad - £20.50 (no change as far as I can see)
Scout Squad - £15.50 (no change as far as I can see)

Total = £104. Still a saving of £24. If the tacticals remain the same then the total would be £97 and a saving of £17.

CITADEL REALM OF BATTLE GAMEBOARD:
was £155.00 now £175.00, up 13%!

WTF????!?!! I'd rather just pay the extra to get a Titan from FW... £175?!! for some plastic tiles?!! SCREW THAT! I was so tempted to pick up a ROB board.... not now...

I more miffed by the Codices going up by 25%...

anybody who buys GW movement trays now is a fool A FOOL I TELL YOU!!

make your own out of plasticard for a fraction of the cost....

DarthOvious wrote:Tac Squad - Not listed. I think someone said it was going to be £30

The Tactical Squad isn't listed because it didn't change. The claims that it would be £30 were totally unfounded speculation. Generally speaking, infantry prices didn't change very much. Most of the changes here apply instead to vehicle kits.

Fetterkey wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:Tac Squad - Not listed. I think someone said it was going to be £30

The Tactical Squad isn't listed because it didn't change. The claims that it would be £30 were totally unfounded speculation. Generally speaking, infantry prices didn't change very much. Most of the changes here apply instead to vehicle kits.

Thanks,

So that means, you will save £17 from the Battlebox instead of buying separately. I think they're trying their best to bring these margins down. You used to get more of a discount than that when buying the boxes.In fact, the only thing that went up separately was the Rhino and that was only by £2.

So decided to look at and compare the stormraven prices.

Current:
$66 US
$79.50 CAN

New:
$82.50 US
(Guessing) $96 CAN

Are you F'n serious?? I make good money and get this junk at discount and this is getting stupid.