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Post by: Bloodhorror
I'm not a big fan of the Sprue Swords really... But the Axes look nice 
And as usual, awesome fluff is awesome with a side dash of awesome.
I want you to get a big beasty though!
Like a Krootox, or Carnifex or something awesome  !
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Post by: Dr H
Theophony wrote:it looks so much better with that extra bit of detail added to it 
Coolio.
Bloodhorror wrote:I'm not a big fan of the Sprue Swords really... But the Axes look nice
There's something for everybody. 
There is more to do on the swords and a lick of paint will work wonders all over.
Thanks.
And as usual, awesome fluff is awesome with a side dash of awesome.
Thanks a lot.
I want you to get a big beasty though!
Like a Krootox, or Carnifex or something awesome !
Their time will come... Sadly I only have two hands to work with.
I am just as eager as any of you out there waiting for something in particular, to get round to, and see complete all those things that I haven't done yet...
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Post by: SelvaggioSaky
Small details makes great miniatures ('cause they're small as well I guess  )
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
Looking better?
of course it does... you´ve won me over now!
i think the rest will be difined by your paintjob... more and you would probably overdo it with that piece ...
the putty work now brings it all together...tho... i have a slight feeling that if you would add such an exhaust that ork chainswords have this item would be finally complete... but i think i could aslo live without it
and yeah... the eagle... ach... i need to see to that soon... but this millenia... airhsip^^
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Post by: Dr H
SelvaggioSaky wrote:Small details makes great miniatures ('cause they're small as well I guess )
Thanks SS.
I likes my little details do I.
Viktor von Domm wrote:Looking better?
of course it does... you´ve won me over now!
i think the rest will be difined by your paintjob... more and you would probably overdo it with that piece ...
the putty work now brings it all together...tho... i have a slight feeling that if you would add such an exhaust that ork chainswords have this item would be finally complete... but i think i could aslo live without it
and yeah... the eagle... ach... i need to see to that soon... but this millenia... airhsip^^
Cool, thanks. Glad you like.
I'll have a look and see if I can fit an exhaust but it may end up a radioactive battery (although, thinking about it, that may need a vent...)...a cold fusion battery then...
Maybe, you could turn that Eagle head into the beginnings of a steampunk Ornithopter...? That's such a good idea, I may go and post that in your thread as well... Airship first though, be a good boy, off you go.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
Maybe, you could turn that Eagle head into the beginnings of a steampunk Ornithopter...? That's such a good idea, I may go and post that in your thread as well... Airship first though, be a good boy, off you go.
what a nasty deed to place such ideas in ones head....shame on you!...tststs...
and as i said... the exhaust might be even too much detail... it just had an air of a steampunkish axe now^^
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Post by: Dr H
 Viktor von Domm wrote:Maybe, you could turn that Eagle head into the beginnings of a steampunk Ornithopter...? That's such a good idea, I may go and post that in your thread as well... Airship first though, be a good boy, off you go.
what a nasty deed to place such ideas in ones head....shame on you!...tststs...
and as i said... the exhaust might be even too much detail... it just had an air of a steampunkish axe now^^
But it's such a good idea. Just imagine a giant, gleaming, bronze and golden metal Eagle swooping about the battlefield...
Yeah, I won't force the exhaust on. If it fits, it'll be on.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
But it's such a good idea. Just imagine a giant, gleaming, bronze and golden metal Eagle swooping about the battlefield...
*mgrllmrglll* *shuffels feet* yeahh... you´re right.... 
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
man... good deed of mine that i wasn´t drinking when looking again to your thread... i wouldn´t have been able to wipe that screen clean then...coke is so sticky...
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Post by: cormadepanda
I like that Axe. It is quite sharp looking! I fear it maybe dull of me to say your detail is a lovely addition. Perhaps my point is that axe is simply superb. I need to axe a question however, but I forgot what it was; I guess you could say I am at the wrong end of the blade here. I really just gotta bring the axe down here and chop away the chit chat. I am losing the handle of the situation here.
What other parts do axes have again? I am out of puns.. 
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
I am losing the handle of the situation here.
and so say we all....
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Post by: Dr H
Sounds like you both have axes to grind...
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
change the thread title to lame puns...there is a nice guy
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Post by: Dr H
Vik
No major update today, I've added the small wires to Axe 1.2. Not really worth showing, it's much like the other axe and you will see it once the next stage of putty work is done.
On that note, Good News:
I finally found a shop that actually sold colour shapers,
and had them in the right size,
and in the right shape,
and sold them in singles and not in packs of 5...
So I picked up a couple, this should enhance my putty-fu or at least make my life easier...
Below is a picture that shows the new arrivals next to what I've been using up until now.
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Post by: SelvaggioSaky
Great buy mate!
I gonna order mine on-line after payday, can't wait to see what can WE do with It 
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Post by: Dr H
 SelvaggioSaky wrote:Great buy mate!
I gonna order mine on-line after payday, can't wait to see what can WE do with It
Yeah, I look forward to trying these out. I've been hearing so much about how good they are for putty and I've only seen huge ones in the shop I usually stopped in.
I got the pointy one for poking holes and things, and that's proper round holes not the rough divots that the scalpel gave me.
and the soft, flat one for smoothing and doing straight lines etc...
Good luck with yours.
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Ok, Lame puns are mentioned. So long as I'm not expected to use puns all the time, because I find them really hard to carve out.
It's important, whatever you are doing, to have a good pointy stick of some kind.
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Post by: cormadepanda
Oooo good pun in the title.. I am sorry if I upset you.
Show us your putty foo master! I am excited to see the work those tools can generate.
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Post by: Dr H
 cormadepanda wrote:Oooo good pun in the title.. I am sorry if I upset you.
Show us your putty foo master! I am excited to see the work those tools can generate.
No worries, you'd have to try hard to upset me (like the  crane-fly that's buzzing me and then disappearing before I can do anything about it  )
I shall throw some putty about tomorrow and see how the new tools work and I'll let you all know.
Now where did that clumsy flying poor excuse for a fly go... 
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 Dr H wrote: cormadepanda wrote:Oooo good pun in the title.. I am sorry if I upset you.
Show us your putty foo master! I am excited to see the work those tools can generate.
No worries, you'd have to try hard to upset me (like the crane-fly that's buzzing me and then disappearing before I can do anything about it )
I shall throw some putty about tomorrow and see how the new tools work and I'll let you all know.
Now where did that clumsy flying poor excuse for a fly go...
the greatest challenge the Dr will have to have.
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It's ok, I've found it. It appears to have landed on my back or the chair shortly before I sat down...
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Post by: dsteingass
You should really put a link to your blog in your sig. I didn't even know you HAD a blog!
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Post by: Dr H
 dsteingass wrote:You should really put a link to your blog in your sig. I didn't even know you HAD a blog!
But I do...  It's the bit that says "The (Mad) Scientist's Army P&M Blog". Maybe I should make it more obvious then...
Welcome anyway Dave. Good to know you've found it in the end.
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Hm? That wasn't there a minute ago!
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Post by: dsteingass
I never made one for the new blog. That was one day I was really into working with GIMP
Anyways, your weapon sculpting is fantastic!
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Post by: shasolenzabi
Those axes are getting better!
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Post by: nerdfest09
You are a legend! yes you! I used your idea for making cables using a comb and greenstuff!! and omg it works a treat! I am so happy right now :-)
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
Show us your putty foo master!
that somehow sounds a bit nasty and naughty to me...maybe it is because I am a foreigner^^
and nice tools mate...er... there ...again the mind is in the gutter again....
I have such a paintshaper too... sponsored by LDD recently... and they improve work very greatly!
looking forward to the next level of putty work then
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Thanks Dave. More to come soon.
Thanks Shas.
nerdfest09 wrote:You are a legend! yes you! I used your idea for making cables using a comb and greenstuff!! and omg it works a treat! I am so happy right now :-)
Cool. I look forward to seeing what you do with them.
Viktor von Domm wrote:Show us your putty foo master!
that somehow sounds a bit nasty and naughty to me...maybe it is because I am a foreigner^^
and nice tools mate...er... there ...again the mind is in the gutter again....
I have such a paintshaper too... sponsored by LDD recently... and they improve work very greatly!
looking forward to the next level of putty work then
Looks like you just have a dirty mind there Vik
Yep, putty later. Come back and see...
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
i am back... and no putty to be seen for bloody miles 
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Post by: nerdfest09
I made one Cable using your technique and used it on my Obliterator to add some detail where i thought he looked a little sparse and I will definitely be doing a lot now i know the secret! :-)
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Post by: Theophony
You better hide dr. Hinternet , I think zinge would like to ask you why his sales are dropping. He does not look amused either  but thanks 
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Post by: Dr H
Settle down in back, Vik. We'll be there soon.
Ahh, cool NF. I thought some of the cables on them looked familiar in shape, thought it was just coincidence.
Cables/wires/pipes/tubes for the win.
Knowledge is free man, you can't put a price on that man... (where's a hippy Orkmoticon when you need one)  will have to do.
I am now, just now, as you read this, settling down to poke some putty...then...
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Post by: Theophony
just misread the title change and wondered what you were doing with lamas guess we've watched Evan almighty one too many times.
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Post by: Dr H
 Theophony wrote: just misread the title change and wondered what you were doing with lamas guess we've watched Evan almighty one too many times.
Fixed it for you Theo. So, I will say that colour shapers are AWESOME for putty work. You can poke and prod, caress, smooth, llama and re-distribute putty without it sticking to the tool AT ALL (no moisture needed ). I'll have to wait until it's set and I can give it a lick of primer before showing you, as all you'd see are vague white shapes. If you want to putty, you want to get some of these colour shapers. No Llamas.
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Post by: dsteingass
So..let me get this straight...they DO NOT work for shearing Llama wool right?
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Post by: Dr H
Well Dave, I haven't tried it on an actual llama yet, but I would think it might take a while to shear a whole one with a colour shaper...
Good News; I have a picture to show you.
Axes 6.3, 1.2 and 5.
I tried adding contacts for the small wires on the axe heads, but I couldn't get the balls of putty small enough (this may be a paint job like the contact points on the WS).
I added a vent to the top of the battery, well I say vent; at the moment it just looks like a slightly rough oval. I'll attack this with a scalpel later to see if I can make it more vent-like.
The main work was on the grips. I tried to make the grip on #1.2 diagonal (as opposed to the horizontal detail on the other two), but that seems to have ended up not quite defined enough and may be another scalpel job later.
I also did a few other small putty jobs, they're not really worth showing, but they aid progress.
Next up will be the grips, handles, hands and guards for the swords.
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Post by: cormadepanda
Simply awesome Dr Hinternet! I think this nick name is going to stick to you.
Those axes really are shaping up to be quite the nice weapons. The drips are excellent.
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cormadepanda wrote:Simply awesome Dr Hinternet! I think this nick name is going to stick to you.
Those axes really are shaping up to be quite the nice weapons. The drips are excellent.
Fair enough, it only means more typing for you...
Thanks Comrade. Glad you like them. (took a while to work out what the "drips" were )
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Post by: dsteingass
The one on the far right is my favorite! Love the grip and single, ominous rivet!
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Post by: SelvaggioSaky
Loving the update Doc!
Contact points in paints are a good idea actually
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
HA! you don´t fool me no more Dr Hinternet!
you try to conquer the world with your plotting axes you say you´ve built on your own... HA! seeing the last pics they clearly show that these are just bought and due to clever but ultimatly doomed to fail photography to LOOK like small model axes... but in fact are really man sized axes all along... you fool me no longer! *shakes fists*
cool work with yon clayshapers!
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I think viktor things you plan on Axing people...
Sorry about the drips.. I did mean grips. Dr Hinternet is possibly the best nick name I have ever generated out of my skull.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
so.... does this now mean your skull is empty? it was a big name after all
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Post by: dsteingass
Do llamas love hockey? Yes, they're all-pucka!
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Post by: nerdfest09
Dr Hinternet! I did laugh :-) and then again when i read Panda's head is now empty! my oh my too much humor when you add in Daves Llama pun! I need a lie down.....
Oh and the Axes are looking wicked dude! really cool look to each one although I think the far right one is the one i'd most want to hit people with (little plastic people)
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Post by: Dr H
My my, you have been busy while I was out...
dsteingass wrote:The one on the far right is my favorite! Love the grip and single, ominous rivet!
Thanks Dave. Rivets for the rivet god(s).
SelvaggioSaky wrote:Loving the update Doc!
Contact points in paints are a good idea actually
Thanks. Glad you agree.
Thanks Vik. They would be so much easier to work on if they were 1:1 and not ~2cm high.
I'm sure there's plenty more in that skull of your's Panda.
dsteingass wrote:Do llamas love hockey? Yes, they're all-pucka!
Thanks NF. Glad you like.
Two more of you liking the old school approach to hacking.
No update as yet. Other than the British weather being turned up to 11 (well 25degC but nudging 30 inside ) and being British I have to complain about it. More later if I haven't melted...
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Post by: dsteingass
When they depicted Mohammad's alpaca in a Danish newspaper cartoon, it was an insult to 'is llama
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Post by: Dr H
lol. Thank you Dave.
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You can always trust a guy who uses bad puns
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Post by: SelvaggioSaky
You should stop spitting out puns, They're Llama ..
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Post by: shasolenzabi
He needs to alpaca it in
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Post by: Casey's Law
Great work, H! These are looking really nice, mate.
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Post by: Theophony
Everyone in Tibet loves alpacas, they are trying to breed miniature ones so everyone can have a dolly llama , I'm glad they are peaceful, unlike Dave I don't want to have a jihad called against me.
http://cheezburger.com/4383495168 link for pic
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Post by: Owain
Loving this army. I admit I haven't made it through all 22 pages yet, but I got a kick out of reading your fluff. I'll definitely by following this one from now on... not a lot of P&M blogs have this kind of entertainment value! Are you still using those enamel paints, though? I also came to 40k through scale modeling and I can't imagine using that stuff on all the tiny details...
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Thank you (maybe ) for keeping the puns going guys I have nothing to add on that front... really am out of ideas... Casey's Law wrote:Great work, H! These are looking really nice, mate.
Thanks Casey. Owain wrote:Loving this army. I admit I haven't made it through all 22 pages yet, but I got a kick out of reading your fluff. I'll definitely by following this one from now on... not a lot of P&M blogs have this kind of entertainment value! Are you still using those enamel paints, though? I also came to 40k through scale modeling and I can't imagine using that stuff on all the tiny details...
Welcome Owain. Take your time, there's no rush as I'm not the fastest of updaters, but there is always something going on... Glad you enjoyed the fluff. I'm not taking it seriously so I can enjoy writing it and just let loose some Llamas... no, silliness . It's nice to know that people are being entertained as much as I am by it all. Yep, I'm still using Enamels and not really finding I have any major problems with them. Although I did branch out with the paint for the WS, but that was all very experimental, so I can't really compare, not having tried Acrylics as the main paint. Maybe I am making things difficult for myself, but it doesn't feel like it... and I don't want to have to buy and learn another whole set of paints... Good to have you aboard.
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Wow..I don't like enamels myself. My deepest respect for them though. Ease of cleaning makes me an acrylic man myself..
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Post by: Dr H
Cleaning? of brushes?
I do understand that being able to use water with your paint is miles easier etc. than using white spirit.
Had I started these models new, with no available paints, I would have likely gone with Acrylics, but as I already had quite a collection of paints (read; more than I care to count) that aren't going to be used for anything else, and I have years of experience with using them, and when I looked at the first obvious choice for acrylic paint ( GW) I saw that I get more paint in a pot for roughly half the price... if it's not broke, don't fix it...
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Post by: Owain
I don't think I could trust myself with that... I just had to replace a brush today and I'm only using water-based acrylics! I think I've got a better maintenance routine in place now, though.
Say, would you care to take a gander at my new blog? I haven't gotten any comments yet. Could be awful for all I know.
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I also have quite a selection of brushes, some of which are very old and most of the newest ones are only cheap Humbrol-own ones (I've gone through 3 of the 000 ones over the course of this thread, but are only about a quid each and they still serve as brushes, just to a lesser extent).
I have picked up some "posh" Winsor&Newton Special Value brushes a while ago, but I only use them for the really fine work and they seem to be lasting well.
I don't do anything special with my brushes other than make sure I've got all the paint off and they are left in a point...
Will do.
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Post by: Dr H
Not had a lot of motivation to do much modelling recently what with the heatwave
But I have done a few little bits and I even have something worth showing...
Guardian Number 9 has had his pose set.
Although, you will still have to imagine a flowing cloak on his back and a heavily hooded head looking down at whatever it may be that I end up putting in his hand for him to be looking at...
You may also see the putty work on his waistline that was required to fill a hole, created by the change in the left leg angle.
He does make the gun look suitably large...
What do we think people?
Also, what head shall I give him; normal helmeted, bare or just sculpt/press-mould a jaw (as your not going to be seeing more than that with the hood plans)?
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Post by: Theophony
Dr H wrote:
What do we think people?
Also, what head shall I give him; normal helmeted, bare or just sculpt/press-mould a jaw (as your not going to be seeing more than that with the hood plans)?
Simple....servo skull head , because I don't want to be the only nutjob out there
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
^
i would do the press moulded jaw thing underneath the hood...
and boy... this is for sure a big gun!!! and no mistake!
more pressing is what he will look down to...?
a bone? a sort of auspex? and is the skull the real thing to rest the feet on or will there be a change? a nice mossy log would look good too...
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Theophony wrote: Simple....servo skull head , because I don't want to be the only nutjob out there
How did I not guess that that was what you'd say... I could turn the skull he has his foot on into a servo-skull... with a bullet hole in it... Automatically Appended Next Post: Cool. It would save on a head that I could use somewhere else. and boy... this is for sure a big gun!!! and no mistake!
more pressing is what he will look down to...?
a bone? a sort of auspex? and is the skull the real thing to rest the feet on or will there be a change? a nice mossy log would look good too...
I was thinking an auspex-alike, but the bone is not a bad idea... I want him to look like he's studying something closely... I was intending to use the skull as I have a few (that I found in the HeroQuest box) and thought I could put it to use. I liked the idea that of all the things a brainwashed sniper would pause to rest a foot on, it would be an old skull. Shows a kind of lack of compassion.
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Post by: SelvaggioSaky
Like It!
Put in his hand the head of his last victim, with a hole in It.
The foot can be on the body of the poor fellow
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Post by: cormadepanda
I would have to a say a simple helmeted head would work best with that suit of armor. Of course everyone is a sucker for cloaks!
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Post by: Dr H
SelvaggioSaky wrote:Like It!
Put in his hand the head of his last victim, with a hole in It.
The foot can be on the body of the poor fellow
Thanks SS.
It's a good Idea, but I am hesitant on using a model as just basing for another model...is this just me?
Although if it's an Eldar victim it would show the sense of his close, brainwashed, scrutiny ("this head looks awfully familiar").
cormadepanda wrote:I would have to a say a simple helmeted head would work best with that suit of armor. Of course everyone is a sucker for cloaks!
I want to have the ranger/pathfinder look and he's getting a cloak and hood (I want to have a go at sculpting one), it's just a question of whether I use a real head to put the hood over, or just sculpt a rough one as it's going to be mostly hidden. Thanks.
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You should use a real head, takes less time.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
I was thinking an auspex-alike, but the bone is not a bad idea... I want him to look like he's studying something closely...
I was intending to use the skull as I have a few (that I found in the HeroQuest box) and thought I could put it to use. I liked the idea that of all the things a brainwashed sniper would pause to rest a foot on, it would be an old skull. Shows a kind of lack of compassion.
see? i knew you had a thing for ol Hamlet
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Post by: Dr H
cormadepanda wrote:You should use a real head, takes less time.
I'll keep that in mind...
Viktor von Domm wrote:I was thinking an auspex-alike, but the bone is not a bad idea... I want him to look like he's studying something closely...
I was intending to use the skull as I have a few (that I found in the HeroQuest box) and thought I could put it to use. I liked the idea that of all the things a brainwashed sniper would pause to rest a foot on, it would be an old skull. Shows a kind of lack of compassion.
see? i knew you had a thing for ol Hamlet
Alas poor Yoricel I knew him well...
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Yoricel
is that the name of your favorite Llama?
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Post by: Casey's Law
He's looking good with the gun mate. I know what you mean about the heatwave, crazy stuff.
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Vik, I don't play favourites with my llamas, they are all special in their own ways...
It was actually a corruption of Yorick and Yriel, to make it sound Eldar-y.
 Casey's Law wrote:He's looking good with the gun mate. I know what you mean about the heatwave, crazy stuff.
Thanks Casey.
Yeah, although it's clouding over quite a bit here so fingers crossed for a good, cooling storm.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
and after i did a quick google search.... there are actually living persons out there that go by that name
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Really? Ha ha. Shows it works as a name then, didn't expect that. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... I have some swords to show. Compared to the axes and my handy measuring scalpel for scale. I have been planning the guard positions (the black lines). I finished the putty version of Sword #2 (that's the one that didn't work in sprue). It has turned out a little large and so it became the practice sword for adding a hand to...  The hand was done with a press-mould to see if that's any easier than carving my own, 10 times... Mixed success: It gave me the correct size for the hand and the position of the grooves and fingers. However, bending it round the grip made it crack at the knuckles (a milliput problem) and I needed to go over the details with my poking device to make the details crisper (as they'd been slightly flattened by my attaching it to the sword). Also made a pommel with a blog of putty. Also, you may not be able to see (you can if you zoom right in), but I did carve the vent of axe 6.3 into a better shape. I now need to add a surround to it (I was going to do this with putty today, but forgot ).
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Post by: shasolenzabi
Big weapons!
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Sweet looking swords. Difficult to say on scale, I know the axes are perfect and they look great.
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wow.... the milliput sword screams badassery with every syllable...tho i agree the hand pose looks rather a bit too dainty even for a an eldar
and you refer to the light gray addition on that axe, yes?
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Shas- Go Big or Go Home
Thanks Cam.
 Viktor von Domm wrote:wow.... the milliput sword screams badassery with every syllable...tho i agree the hand pose looks rather a bit too dainty even for a an eldar
and you refer to the light gray addition on that axe, yes?
Yeah, and the wrist needs thinning on that hand before it could be attached to the arm... So a little too large.
Could do with a thinner blade, but can't thin that one any more as it's down to the plastic. Would need to do a whole new one.
Yeah, it's the little milliput-white shape that's on top of the battery pack. If you zoom right in, you can make out that it's cut into steps. With sides on, it'll look just like a vent. Automatically Appended Next Post: and nice helmet Vik, not very aerodynamic though...
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
in fact it is waterstreamlined
we went to a museeum here and they had a little submarine sideshow there... and we could all wear the divers helemt^^
and i did zoom in...i always do when asigned to do it
Would need to do a whole new one.
nope... done go there... it looks awesome... maybe use the sword on a CSM instead?
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Viktor von Domm wrote:in fact it is waterstreamlined
we went to a museeum here and they had a little submarine sideshow there... and we could all wear the divers helemt^^
Cool.
and i did zoom in...i always do when asigned to do it
Good to know you do as you're told. I didn't even need to say "would you kindly".
nope... done go there... it looks awesome... maybe use the sword on a CSM instead?
Ta. All of these will find a use somewhere in the future, Number 10 can only hold one after all.
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would you kindly
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Not sure if trying to give me mental order, or being nice.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
Not sure if trying to give me mental disorder, or being vice.
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Post by: Dr H
If you can't tell with something I say, I'm probably not being serious.
Have you played Bioshock?
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lol...i know, but i never played...yet...
FO has still me in a vice like grip^^
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Compared to the likes of FO3 and NV, Bioshock did seem very short.
But it was fun, good story, good atmosphere and soooo much steampunk-y goodness. disappointing end though.
Fallout and Elder scrolls games really latch into my collecting/hoarding nature and so I've clocked up a ridiculous number of hours in those games.
Sadly I can't get either FO3 or NV working on my pc at the moment as it's going though a tetchy phase (memory problems, but probably needs a new motherboard). 
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Ah games eh! something I can finally relate to! Sonic took me ages and I love Zaxxon, Golden Axe was challenging but the graphics kick ass..........
......o.k so maybe my secret that i don't know squat about games is out....
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Ahh, I've spent many hours with Sonic, finding all the hidden bits and seeing just how many lives I can build up.
Never played Zaxxon or Golden Axe though...
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
ha, yep as a professinal hoarder i know what you mean, i spent ages in diablo and diablo II...^^i always play games that have a long life on my PC...
for a strange reason i haven´t played that many steampuny games... or even any...?
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Viktor von Domm wrote:ha, yep as a professinal hoarder i know what you mean, i spent ages in diablo and diablo II...^^i always play games that have a long life on my PC...
I also missed diablo and all it's sequels for some reason, I was deep into Oblivion before I'd even heard about them.
Before Oblivion my PC gaming was all FPS games and still is mostly (so I even missed Morrowind and it was a friend that introduced me to Oblivion).
But the freedom and "collecting" elements of Oblivion (and then FO3, FO-NV and now Skyrim) largely spoiled any other "shorter" games.
My console gaming on the other hand, is largely racing games (Gran Turismo and Wipeout) and platformers.
for a strange reason i haven´t played that many steampuny games... or even any...?
Do you run out of steam before getting to them...?
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oh my... the typo gremlins are onto me again^^
somehow racing never ever did it for me...i get way too frustrated by the outcome of any racing game... and i donk´t even drive in RL.... tried it... but my teach said... not everybody is a born pilot...d´oh...well to be frank... living in berlin you seldom really need a car...
and i played some FPS games... but i often get seasick due to some effects... somehow my brain can not handle the 3D effects so well...i get dizzy and even puke...(yep, it has happned due to duke nukem for instance or even halflife... )
so mostyl i play strategy games... like jagged alliances and RPGs... and of course the great biog slavemaker WOW...but i am clean now^^
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I couldn't leave that one alone considering what's been happening here over the last couple of pages.
I can get frustrated by racing games, but not nearly as much as beat-me-ups (I even broke a controller because of SFII and M. Bison), But I prefer the tinkering and perfecting a lap time rather than head-to-head racing (the other cars just get in the way ). I do enjoy driving irl as well, so maybe that's the difference. My driving instructor once told me that I didn't "need to try and do 0 - 30mph in 2sec every time"...
I can see how that might put you off those kind of games...
I can't really get into strategy games, usually because I get wiped out by the computer on the easiest settings
I really enjoyed Dune II as it was so easy and the AI was stupid. After that, all those games just got too hard
and I didn't get into WOW due to the paying monthly thing to play a game I've already paid for Seemed like a rip-off to me.
also I'm one of the (few, it seems) people that like to get away from real life with computer games so tend to only play single-player games (or ones where you sit next to the person you're playing with) and avoid games where there's real people in there with you.
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i started strategy games when tank rushes in red alert still very possible.. those were the days
and it tok me quite a bit of nerve to start a mmorpg...but after a short time it was like here on dakka... you meet peeps that are good company
or total jerks...( here and there^^)
and i strated it all on an old atari console way back... and i smashed and stomped and hurt that poor controller more than anyone should know about me ... and do you remember summer games? there were joystick killer games... and belive me... i am guilty of murdering quite a few of them
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Oh, joystick killers, yeah. I think we had a Daley Thompson game (a little before my time) that left the joystick on our Amstrad (one with a tape deck in the keyboard) a little worse for wear.
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Post by: Camkierhi
Gods seems funny reading you guys talking about games.
Totally remember most everything you guys are talking about, I started out with a zx81, now thats old school.
For just driving have you tried Testdrive Unlimited. i spent weeks and weeks just getting in a Aston Martin and driving around Hawaii Just for fun.
Oblivion has to be the best game ever. Think I will have to reinstall that.
I used to play a MMORPG called Everquest, now that was a game. once sat 17 hourrs in a chair and did not move for anything playing that. 
But fondest memorry is Daley Thompson Decathlon on Atari 2600. I used to go to a friends to work out. 3 blokes working out intensive training weightlifting for 2-3 hours. Arms would be dead by end of it. Then he pulls out that bloody joystick of doom and trying to do 1500m takes on a whole new meaning in pain.
Thank you both.
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Post by: nerdfest09
LOL I remember Decathlon on the 2600! I lost all feeling in my index finger one night because of that game, I didn't think i'd get it back :-) racing games I am the worlds most sucky player, and seeing as I only own a 13 year old PS2 that I use as my dvd player the only racer I enjoyed was Auto Modelista, loved the cartoon look to it! the only game I could say I was hooked on all these years was another 2600 game we all know and love! PITFALL
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I have Oblivion and Skyrim for my X-Box
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Post by: Dr H
Cam: We had a spectrum that was already pretty much collecting dust by the time I got into computer games, the amstrad was the first games machine I used.
I have tried a few different driving games, but I only really get into them when I can modify and tweak settings and then improve my lap times. Although creating mayhem in Driver or Carmageddon can be a lot of fun every now and then.
NF: I'm still using a PS2 to get my Gran Turismo fix. Although I did go through a Mario Kart Wii phase for a while until I'd got at least a star on all the cups. Sadly I've completed all the Wipeout games I have (really liked the Zone mode in Fusion), will have to go back to those one day though (or get a more up to date one when I get a newer console).
Not sure if I could go back to Oblivion after Skyrim (on which I have a few mods to make it even more pretty).
There are things that were changed for the better in Skyrim and some things that I miss from Oblivion... But I have pretty much been everywhere and done everything in both of them... I'll go back one day once the memory fades a little.
In other news: There isn't much. But I will try and get some modelling back into my modelling thread soon.
I have actually done a bit of work on the vent for Axe #6.3, so I can show that once I've finished tinkering with it.
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Done a bit of putty work.
I've added a few more hands, as seen on the previous one, and managed to get these on with minimal squashing and no cracking.
I tried to add some putty as guards on a couple of them, but was very difficult to get it to sit right on the sword which is why it looks rubbish at the moment.
I will have at it with the scalpel later and see what I can make of it, but it's just as likely to break and I'll start again.
This was the reason that my first sword (on the Dire Avenger) had a guard made from plastic carved pieces. May resort to this for these...
Also tried to enclose the vent on axe #6.3 (you can actually see it in this photo) with card, but I wasn't happy with how it looked so that's come off and I'll leave the vent without a surround.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
i have thought a bit about your pressmoulding the hand... have you thought about using GS for the actual pressmould instead your milliput? it would be more bendy and thus more likley to allow you some more natual wielding poses?
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I have thought that it would probably be easier with GS as I've read numerous times that it's better for more organic shapes than milliput. But I don't have any GS at the moment, maybe if these really don't work out then I may have to invest in some...
I've only really got to make one perfect (or at least serviceable) hand for the model and I'm done.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
i didn´t mean to suggest using it for the actual hand model... more for the mold... thus you could wrap the mold more easily over the handle then...
but if you are about to invest... then maybe that stuff you can reuse again (forgot the name silly me) would be even better?
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Oh, I see. I'm doing the hand moulding separately and then sticking and bending the new hand to the sword. Moulding it directly onto the sword would be even easier in theory.
I know what you mean and I do have my eye out for some. Instant-mold or something Japanese....*taps into internet*...Oyumaru. Will definitely get some when I find some money burning a hole in my pocket...
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
also anvil industries sells a cheaper version in their shop too...
and yep... forgot the name instant mold...
oh yeah... the money issue^^
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Have you got a link for that, I can't seem to find it?
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Post by: cormadepanda
Those are some punny hands.. anyways...
I like where you are going with it. To much game talk I see here.
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I'm.. well... its really..I dunno.. Its just..
Its awesome!
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Post by: Camkierhi
Amazing work, looking cool.
About moulding little bits....I am no expert, in fact only done a very little, but I tried this stuff...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Blu-Stuff-Silicone-Putty-Press-Mold-Mould-200g-/200942446001?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item2ec91a65b1#ht_863wt_1125
Its great and you can make your moulds what ever size you need.
Anyone please chip in hre and correct me. Only done very little of this.
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
Good lord. I Haven't checked this in ages and i have had to catch up on alot. This is getting better and better. Those guardians your doing look amazing! Keep up the choasy goodness!!!
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cormadepanda wrote:Those are some punny hands.. anyways...
I like where you are going with it. To much game talk I see here.
Well they are for puny Eldar and not big, beefy Orkses...
Thanks comrade.
gretar wrote:I'm.. well... its really..I dunno.. Its just..
Its awesome!
Thanks very much (anything in particular or just generally) and welcome.
Camkierhi wrote:Amazing work, looking cool.
Thanks Cam. I'll add that goo to the list of possibilities.
da waaagh orkz wrote:Good lord. I Haven't checked this in ages and i have had to catch up on alot. This is getting better and better. Those guardians your doing look amazing! Keep up the choasy goodness!!!
Welcome back da waaagh. Thanks dude.
Still blooming hot here but I'll try and have something to show later.
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This is going to auto append, but never mind...
Briancj is running a contest on his blog here
 Briancj wrote:Updated Rules, removed references to newbies, clarified suggested bits, adjusted one point category to award points to people whose entries are easy to duplicate.
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All right, let's crank this baby up.
WAFL* Contest! Everyone loves waffles, right?
Please spread this around on your plogs. Thanks.
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The prizes:
The ORIGINAL Nuka Cola machine that started the =]L[=.
A giant bag of bits and stuff. Seriously. Epic. Even I don't know what'll be in it. But I'm stripping down my collection to focus on Minotaurs and IG.
Way OOP GW Posters!
The contest theme:
Discarded treasure. I am on a major recycling kick in my life. Recycling, freecyling, upcycling. Reduce and reuse. And it drives me insane when I throw away what should be perfectly good materials!
The rules:
You must create a piece of terrain the size of a CD/DVD. The terrain must utilize leftover modelling supplies. Examples of this are paint pots, plastic sprues, discarded packaging, and leftover plasticard. The debris of completed projects, normally placed into the dustbin. The terrain must be usable in a game of Warhammer 40K, but there are bonus points for making items usable in more than one game system. Multiple terrain pieces ARE allowed, as long as, collectively, they are the size of a CD/DVD. They should also maintain a similar theme (IE: You've taken four 40mm bases and built 4 jungle-themed objective markers). There is no required terrain type, the goal is to show people how to recycle things they would normally throw away into usable game terrain.
While there is no height restriction, consideration for newbie players and/or workability on the battlefield should be kept in mind.
Scoring:
A maximum score of 100 is possible. Ties will be broken by the judges. If the judges are deadlocked, I will call upon readers of this plog to vote. If THAT deadlocks, I'll declare a tie, and divide up the prizes appropriately.
Competition requirements:
These are not cumulative. A few bitz used to enhance the terrain does not count toward percentage, but loading up your entry with bitz (instead of recycled parts) will not score high. Imagine you're a new modeler, and you have a few leftovers from your initial purchases.
Entry is 25% recycled materials or less - 0 points
Entry is around 50% recycled materials - 10 points
Entry is around 75% recycled materials - 25 points
Entry is around 100% recycled materials - 40 points
Modeling:
These points ARE cumulative. A focus on techniques and designs that are easy to copy/emulate will score more points, here. You're helping the masses make terrain. A unique entry might be something that makes the judges go 'ah-ha, that's a GREAT idea'. This is where you can score points for originality of design and making a cool scene or mini-diorama.
Entry is easy for a newbie to duplicate - 10 points
Entry shows a unique idea - 10 points
Entry is visually interesting - 10 points
Entry is usable for more than just Warhammer 40K - 10 points
Painting:
Points are not cumulative. Minimum three colors. Washes and highlights to qualify as well painted, at a minimum. Amazingly well painted is something that wows the judges.
Entry is painted - 10 points
Entry is well painted - 15 points
Entry is amazingly well painted - 20 points
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Weight will be given to people who come up with UNIQUE, creative uses for things most people throw away. Things thrown away: bits of dried putty, paint pots, dried paint, sprues, packaging materials, chopped up plasticard.
You may not use existing terrain or other creations, as with all League competitions, show your work. Deadline for entries is August 8th, 2013. Judging will occur a few days later, over the weekend. There will be no extensions allowed, as this is not a complex 'theme'.
Submit your " WiP" photograph ASAP. With your completed photograph, submit an explanation of what you've built, and what materials you used, as if you were writing a short tutorial.
Gits and Graven have agreed to be my judges.
--B.
*What, ANOTHER League contest?
and it wouldn't leave my mind alone due to a single word; "sprue".
So there will be a brief interlude to the sprue weapons in order for me to have a go at...
A SPRUE HUT!!!!
Going to have to pull my finger out and work (relatively) quickly on this...fingers crossed.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
this i wanna see...in this millenium
and... i told a lie... couldn´t re-find it again...
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No worries Vik.
I'm up to 6 planks of wood so far... by this time next month I may have enough for a fence... a hut *shrugs*...?
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
how do you make that wood grain?... i think making big sprue raw thingies and then brush with a steel brush could speed your efforts?
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Currently, I'm using the tip of my scalpel, sideways and just scratching the surface repeatedly.
I'll investigate a wire brush. Although I'm cutting the sprue in half, length ways, and then doing this on all sides. But a brush would at least do half the work as it wouldn't be possible to use the brush on the "planks" once they're cut this small.
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yeah... and since the brush is rather big.... you might be better off with your methode...
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Post by: Theophony
Those wood boards look amazing  , but tedious, can't wait to see your completed piece.
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Post by: Casey's Law
Nice start, H. I don't know off I could bare to do that over and over again!
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Post by: Dr H
Thanks dudes. It's not too bad, the cutting of the "boards" to size is more difficult and takes longer than the grain effect.
It's almost relaxing to do for a while (until the fingers start to complain). Got Wood zen.
The first, painted one was a test to see if it was possible and how it looked, before I committed to the competition.
It worked and so I was in. I'll probably make the final wood lighter than that one though.
I got 20 planks done yesterday before going out for beer, just about to settle down to more... I may do the framework bits for the hut and then I'll have something to show.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
Got Wood zen.
that sounds as if you are about to enter rivet zen then^^
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Post by: Casey's Law
Awesome. love a bit of hobby Zen. Fire on Feeder's 'Elegy' next time your at it.
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Post by: Dr H
Viktor von Domm wrote:Got Wood zen.
that sounds as if you are about to enter rivet zen then^^
It "wood" be possible I'm sure. I just haven't made something with quite enough rivets on yet (although I do have a collection of spare-putty rivets).
There are some rivets planned for the roof of the hut.
I also get a zen-like feeling when I'm doing the wiring and tubing/piping on my models.
Casey's Law wrote:Awesome. love a bit of hobby Zen. Fire on Feeder's 'Elegy' next time your at it.
Yes, that is quite pleasant (and one song I didn't actually have in my collection). I do however, have quite a large amount of zen-like, ambient music so I'm sorted for that...
I tried out a wire brush that I found in the garage and it didn't quite produce the desired result.
It was quicker, but the marks are too uniform in depth and they are all too parallel.
Below you can see the scalpel wood on the left and the wire brush wood on the right.
And this is all the wood so far
The long poles are the uprights for the hut (the two slightly longer ones for the front and the shorter at the back).
And two "flavours" of plank; the thinner ones from the upper half of the sprue trapezoid and the thicker from the lower half.
I'm aiming for as much variety as possible. Automatically Appended Next Post: Just a quick tutorial on how I make my sprue wood:
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First find yourself a piece of sprue and remove all the sticking out bits (clippers will be fine for this as it'll be tidied up later).
Then, cut it to length. I use a Number 10 blade in my scalpel and this allows me to use a rocking motion to cut the sprue, little by little, into two (Don't try to go all the way through in one go as you'll likely end up snapping your blade and/or cutting yourself).
Clean up any rough edges from where you removed bits before continuing.
2.
This is probably the most difficult step (yep, it's downhill from here).
Using the same technique that you used to cut the sprue to length, cut the sprue in half, lengthways (the shorter the plank/sprue the easier this step is).
There's two ways this can be done and will give you the results shown in the diagram (I'm cutting along the green line as this leads to a variety of sizes of wooden planks. The red line will give you all identical pieces. Probably just a matter of taste).
You have to be careful to get the cut as straight as you can, but a little unevenness can be solved afterwards with your scalpel and/or gives a bit of variation to your wood.
3.
You pieces will likely end up bent after this but can just be straightened by hand.
4.
The texture is built up by successive scratches with the side of the point of your scalpel (this gives thicker lines than using the "front" of the tip).
Starting at one end, make many small scratches of roughly the same length and try to cover the whole width of the sprue, the more lines the better the result.
5.
Moving further up the sprue, keep making small scratches of even depth to the same length, making sure that you fit in as many lines as possible.
However, continue your scratches to the bottom end of the sprue and allow the scalpel to follow whatever path it likes. This will deepen certain grooves that were there from the previous step and eventually the scalpel will only fall into those grooves and will therefore leave some of the grooves as smaller scratches.
6.
Continue this way along the sprue.
Once the grooves are deep enough at the lower end of the sprue you do not need to keep going over them and you therefore work your way up the sprue, all the time keeping the leading end of your scratches as evenly spaced as possible and allowing repeated passes to deepen grooves at random.
7.
Keep this going until you reach about half way up the sprue, then turn it around...
8.
Using the same technique, start at the other end and work your way towards the middle.
9.
Make sure to go over the middle, where the two halves meet, until the grooves are an equal depth and appear to continue the whole length of the piece.
10.
Repeat this for each side of your piece of sprue.
Then paint in your desired manner.
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The uprights are done...ish. Some need to be shortened, but that's all.
This picture shows the layout of the hut, the positions of the uprights and Terminator number 1 for scale.
I decided that this terminator (with his raised hammer and 40mm base) will be the limiting factor for the hut's dimensions and layout.
The door of the hut (the short upright at the front right) will be only partly there; the two very short pieces laying next to the "door" are the top and what's left of the other upright that will be hanging down. This allows the door to be shown as if it was made for a small being, but allows access for a 40mm base.
You will also see much shortened uprights on the left front of the hut. This is the extent of the "hole" that reaches to the door and allows access for hands to reach in and place models inside the hut. I'm thinking that the hole will be due to the wood rotting away, rather than battle damage (this allows the hut to be used for any game setting; as a rotten hut is a rotten hut, whatever universe/galaxy/time you are in).
There'll be a window on the right hand side (as you look at it here) and a ladder up the outside of the back wall (for access to the roof. Although why a heavily armoured super-soldier would climb on a rotten wooden hut, I don't know).
I now can work out how many planks I need and can continue to make said planks.
What do we think?
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THat looks amazing so far, I can't believe the dedication needed to do this. Great job.
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Thanks Theo.
It is quite therapeutic and satisfying, although a few of my fingers and my "cutting" thumb are quite sore after a day of handling sharp/rough bits of plastic and occasionally catching them with the business end of the scalpel. Even took to sticking a bit of a plaster (that's a band-aid) on my thumb.
In addition to the 20 short planks (for the front and side), I've also done 12 long planks for the back wall...
...the back wall requires 24 long planks...
...I haven't checked how many short planks I need...
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Nice work on those plastic 2x4s Dr H. They look the bee's knees to me...
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Oh, hey Ruglud. Just been having a look at the start of your fuel depot on a cd, look forward to seeing how the drums turn out.
Thanks dude.
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Post by: nerdfest09
You are a zany, crazy mofo! so much tedious mind numbing scalpel work doing those planks, I really commend you on your dedication to the project, i'd start it but give up 'cos that is pretty tricky to get right again and again......and again......and again......and again..... etc...
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omg... I didn´t realize there was so much preparation work to be done to get the planks made...I actually thought you just too straight sprue sections and then work the wood grain in... I didn´t knew you really went all the way to produce thin enough planks... wow... I think if you actually complete this you have your winning model right there...
and a very informative step by step I say!
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Thanks NF.
Having done the swords I knew what I was getting into and accepted that it would require a lot (one metric ton to be exact) of planks.
and I'm quite happy to do mind-numbing work occasionally as my mind can wander to whatever it wanders to (always been a good day-dreamer ). So long as I have music I can do the most boring of jobs.
The wood grain is easy to get right because you let the scalpel tip do all the work in giving you a random pattern, the most difficult bit is cutting the planks to shape and that's just carefully cutting in a straight line and everyone can do that.
and it pays off to look at the piles of "wood" that are collecting in front of me. Automatically Appended Next Post: Viktor von Domm wrote:omg... I didn´t realize there was so much preparation work to be done to get the planks made...I actually thought you just too straight sprue sections and then work the wood grain in... I didn´t knew you really went all the way to produce thin enough planks... wow... I think if you actually complete this you have your winning model right there...
and a very informative step by step I say!
Thanks Vik. If it was just going to be an outside of a building, then doing the wood grain on the sprue, as is, would be fine. but as I'm building an open hut, you're going to see both sides of the walls/wood and so they need to look real from all angles.
"If" is definitely the word, there's a lot more to be done. I need at least double the amount of "wood", maybe more.
But at least I'm not doing the roof in wood: I'm thinking a classic corrugated steel look from cardboard (I was considering doing each corrugation with an individual sculpted piece of sprue, but really wouldn't have time for that and corrugated card would look better anyway).
And the hole in the front of the building saves on making wood for that section and saves time there.
The interior will get as much love as time allows, I'll get the hut done first and then see how much I can do inside.
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
Wow. Brilliant idea! I certainly wouldn't have thought of it. I must get around to having a go myself. Might find a use in da waaaghs army...
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da waaagh orkz wrote:Wow. Brilliant idea! I certainly wouldn't have thought of it. I must get around to having a go myself. Might find a use in da waaaghs army...
Thanks da waaagh.
Yeah everyone should have a go at these, they may be a little time consuming but are really quite easy in essence.
Just be wary of your fingers folks, aside from the obvious issue of razor-sharp blade meets skin, the sometimes sharp edges of the rough-cut sprue (and the whole cutting towards my thumb thing I do, always cut away from yourself  ) has covered some of my fingers with small cuts (those that don't draw blood, you know the ones), but my index fingers are both quite sore... You have been warned... Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I might add, that it does produce quite a lot of mess. It's worth having something to catch the scrapings/shavings etc...
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But at least I'm not doing the roof in wood: I'm thinking a classic corrugated steel look from cardboard
exactly... i bet this will look awesome!...
and i expected some of the hurt you told... we all know to cut away from us... but honestly... who does that really all the time? and these nasty blades... they need just that one time of carelessness...
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Viktor von Domm wrote:But at least I'm not doing the roof in wood: I'm thinking a classic corrugated steel look from cardboard
exactly... i bet this will look awesome!...
I hope so. And I'll use rivets to "hold" the roof on. It's a league competition after all. and i expected some of the hurt you told... we all know to cut away from us... but honestly... who does that really all the time? and these nasty blades... they need just that one time of carelessness...
I've spent years perfecting the shaving of sprue attachment points while resting the piece on my thumb, usually leaving those skin-deep cuts that aren't a problem, and I've only cut deep enough to bleed... on countless occasions...
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And I'll use rivets to "hold" the roof on. It's a league competition after all.
that´s the spirit
and well... we live we bleed we hopefully learn...yeah right
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OK Boys and Girls lets see what's through the square window...
Yes that's going to be the window. Terminator #1 helping to hammer the nails home...
I've also constructed the back wall. That's one of three walls complete.
First build your frame.
Then lay out all the planks that you calculated would be needed to fill the wall... and be initially disappointed.
But after a bit of careful rearrangement and cunning cutting of certain planks...
Now just have to do something similar to the other walls...
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
Very nice doc. May I recommend to try using a small fly tying vice to hold the sprue in place. You won't cut yourself and it will be a bit easier to cut.
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Thanks da waaagh.
I do have a hobby vice (that's what it says on the box), but to use that I'd have to use a saw for the cutting and the only saw I have chops out too much material for use on sprue (I have tried it before).
But it's ok, I found my climbing tape and have wrapped that around my important fingers and now no problems with cutting myself.
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Dr H wrote:Thanks da waaagh.
I do have a hobby vice (that's what it says on the box), but to use that I'd have to use a saw for the cutting and the only saw I have chops out too much material for use on sprue (I have tried it before).
But it's ok, I found my climbing tape and have wrapped that around my important fingers and now no problems with cutting myself.
The fly vise is also referred to in jewelers circles as "a third hand" its a multi-angle set of fixed alligator type clips some have a screw type clamp instead of the spring loaded clips.
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Ahh. Not got anything like that. Thanks Galorn.
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That wall looks amazing mate! like really amazing! you have got it perfectly woody with your skills! and the hut wall looks good too!
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I missed that...
Amazing job, You're really a sprue-fu master !
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 nerdfest09 wrote:That wall looks amazing mate! like really amazing! you have got it perfectly woody with your skills! and the hut wall looks good too!
Thanks NF.
lol, good to know.
It's nice to sit back and see a piece of the hut actually complete, it's spurred me on to make more planks ready for the other walls.
And it's nice to know that you lot out there are liking it too. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Thanks SS. It's nice to know I had this in me.
Hopefully I'm also showing you all that sprue is truly the most useful of things that comes with your models.
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Dr H, you gotta come round and do some fencing for me - that's a mighty fine job there
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love the look of that wall... and you actually did right to make the clever cuts... those diagonal boards are ment for the shorter boards to be hammered to... otherwise they wouldn´t have had anything to stick to... and if you would have not have smaller boards the diagonal ones would be pointless...so...all is well!!!
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Ruglud wrote:Dr H, you gotta come round and do some fencing for me - that's a mighty fine job there
Ha ha, if you want an inch high fence, that's made of plastic and looks like old wood... Thanks dude. Viktor von Domm wrote:love the look of that wall... and you actually did right to make the clever cuts... those diagonal boards are ment for the shorter boards to be hammered to... otherwise they wouldn´t have had anything to stick to... and if you would have not have smaller boards the diagonal ones would be pointless...so...all is well!!!
Thanks Vik. Yeah, they both kind of produced the need for the other: I had some planks that would not have reached between the uprights and so I either had to make more planks or find a way to attach the shorter ones to something (each plank has at least two contact points, which will be painted to look like rusty nails)... and the diagonal beams allow me to position the boards in an irregular pattern to give the impression of a hastily erected hut (and for that I needed short planks). Also the diagonals add strength to the whole structure, and there will be more of them in the other walls.
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Crazy, brilliant and awesome,but crazy.
Looks brilliant, Never throwing another piece of spru away.
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Also the diagonals add strength to the whole structure, and there will be more of them in the other walls.
that is the second reason you needed these!
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I prefer (Mad)... Thanks. Well you have to push yourself every now and then and that what I'm doing here. Never throwing another piece of spru away.
That's what I like to hear. You can use it for almost anything (and I will be in this build; if I can make it out of sprue, I will make it out of sprue...time permitting). Automatically Appended Next Post: Viktor von Domm wrote:Also the diagonals add strength to the whole structure, and there will be more of them in the other walls.
that is the second reason you needed these!
Yep, if this is meant for gaming on and around (and in) it's going to need to be strong. Now the glue is dry, that wall is feeling pretty strong by itself. I think this will be the sturdiest and solidly built, run down, rotten wood hut there is... and wow, another page flies by...
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 Camkierhi wrote:Crazy, brilliant and awesome,but crazy.
Looks brilliant, Never throwing another piece of spru away.
Oh dear, the slippery road to hoarding junk. There's no way back for you now...
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i think my biggest fear with your self made wood grain boards would be the glue bomb... too much of the good stuff and the wood grain kisses goodby...i would go ballistic then...
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Briliant woodgrain Doc! You even have the knots!
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Viktor von Domm wrote:i think my biggest fear with your self made wood grain boards would be the glue bomb... too much of the good stuff and the wood grain kisses goodby...i would go ballistic then...
Easily fixed (relatively) by attacking it with the scalpel again. It's not as if it's a particular design I need to try and replicate, just scape away...
I'm more worried about the whole structure falling apart when I finally put the last piece on.
dsteingass wrote:Briliant woodgrain Doc! You even have the knots!
Thanks Dave. Ja, they come from the occasional bubble that's present inside the sprue.
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Holy crap. Brilliant. Never even thought about this before. Awesome stuff!
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 vent wrote:Holy crap. Brilliant. Never even thought about this before. Awesome stuff!
Thanks Vent (another person that has a thread I've been lurking on for too long ).
Yeah, it came about because I've been doing Sprue Swords recently and reading the competition rules where it said "left over modelling supplies, such as sprue" and it just kind of clicked and wouldn't leave my thoughts. So I made one plank and threw some brown paint at it and when I looked at it, it looked like a piece of wood and I though "maybe I could make a small hut"...
In other news: There is news that is actually related...
I currently have 27 short planks for the other three walls (how I've got 27, when I'm making 2 from each piece of sprue I don't know), but I don't know how many I need so I'll have a go at building the wall around the window and see how many that takes. I'll update later when I have something to show...
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I'm more worried about the whole structure falling apart when I finally put the last piece on.
nawww.... can´t / won´t see that happening...
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Post by: dsteingass
Liquid cement, such as Bondene or ProWeld would be your go-to glue I'd think. No worry of glue bomb there.
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well i use faller plastic glue these days for the precise glue jobs...
and it works... if i am not too careless^^
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I use a syringe bottle for super glue accelerator, but it would be handy for glue too. I would not recommend the non-toxic Weldene, it works, but it stinks worse than the toxic stuff does.
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Viktor von Domm wrote:I'm more worried about the whole structure falling apart when I finally put the last piece on.
nawww.... can´t / won´t see that happening...
That's why I'm using the cross beams and gluing everything together very carefully.
As for glue, I've been using Humbrol Poly cement (the thick one in the squeezey tube) for strength. I've not had problems with glue (touch wood...damn that's made of plastic... ) and I've got some Humbrol liquid poly cement (with the brush) for more accurate applications or for running into gaps etc... Did I mention my glue collection...
And speaking of glue, it's time to start wall number 2. Which will be attached to the back wall to make one whole corner of the hut. Automatically Appended Next Post: dsteingass wrote:I use a syringe bottle for super glue accelerator, but it would be handy for glue too. I would not recommend the non-toxic Weldene, it works, but it stinks worse than the toxic stuff does.
You'd be amazed at how nice some quite toxic things can smell...
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I think this hut will produce some nice atmospheric photo opportunities in the future.
Terminator #1 has been helping me out, but I'm going to need more planks...
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Looks good mate!
Try to ask Theo a few servoskuls for the interior work
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Wow! Looks fantastic, Doc. Never would have thought of that....
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lol. Thanks SS. The wall is now complete. So here's another photo drop...
Who needs an Aegis Defence Line when you have a wooden hut?
This wall has used up all the planks I had, so I need to make more for the other walls (at least they're the broken walls, so won't need as many).
Inside; I added a cross beam from the middle of the back wall to the other wall to add another contact point and therefore strength.
Hiding in the shadows...
And what it looks like with the light outside.
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Hello YB. Thanks dude. Inspiration can strike from anywhere at any time.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
i like those loose haging boards... that adds a ton of charcter to the hut...
where i have my issues with is the window... just a mere hole... hmmm.... or will you add a frame? maybe even some bend and wrecked shutters? that would be cool!!!
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I too like this wooden hut. I wish it for my Orks.. and grass.
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Viktor von Domm wrote:i like those loose haging boards... that adds a ton of charcter to the hut...
where i have my issues with is the window... just a mere hole... hmmm.... or will you add a frame? maybe even some bend and wrecked shutters? that would be cool!!!
Thanks. Characterful is the aim.
At the moment, it is just a hole. But if I have time, I may add shutters. That's a good idea, ta.
I want to get the whole hut built first and then I'll furnish it with bits and bobs depending on how much time I have left. That's why I'm going like the clappers on it for the moment.
cormadepanda wrote:I too like this wooden hut. I wish it for my Orks.. and grass.
Thanks Panda. There is also plans for plant life, depending on time again.
Currently working on the door's corner. That was tricky to attach the frame of a door, when one side of said door doesn't reach the floor...
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ah... i am feeling much better with that plan soon to come to fruition... and the more i see i feel that you will complete this hut
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add more panels to the door to compensate for the no touch issue?
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Post by: SelvaggioSaky
If I may, I suggest to put, on the base, after gravel/sand/rocks/whatever, a few broken planks from the missing walls, that little details that change the piece from awesome, to awesomesauce!
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Vik: I'm still not sure if I can finish in time, but I'm giving it my all. Comrade: I don't think you understand the door issue, It's not meant to reach the floor... See below. Automatically Appended Next Post: SelvaggioSaky wrote:If I may, I suggest to put, on the base, after gravel/sand/rocks/whatever, a few broken planks from the missing walls, that little details that change the piece from awesome, to awesomesauce!
Indeed, that is also in the plans (I've been saving the off-cuts from planks that were too long). Thanks.
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oh... cool.... so much messed up this hut looks^^
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Yep. That allows me to give the hut a "normal" sized door AND allows models on a base that's too wide for the door to enter the hut AND the hole in that corner of the hut allows access for your hand to place/move the model inside the hut AND saves on planks of "wood" and therefore time.
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ah... the old dollhouse approach^^
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Post by: Camkierhi
Amazing work. and considering the amount of work necessary to produce those amazing planks, you are flying along.
What's your deadline again?
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
Very nice so far. What colour scheme are you going to use on the wood? I always use a rather lazy scorched brown/rhinox hide undercoat with khemri brown drybrushed over the top.
I would like to see what you do as to improve on my own painting.
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Viktor von Domm wrote:ah... the old dollhouse approach^^
Yeah, kind of...I think. Never had a dollhouse myself
I may even leave the roof removable, I may not. Will see when I get there.
Camkierhi wrote:Amazing work. and considering the amount of work necessary to produce those amazing planks, you are flying along.
What's your deadline again?
Thanks. Once your into the groove of it, you can motor along.
I believe it's the 8th of August. So just over 2 weeks left. I'm hoping the painting won't take long (as it's mostly wood), but the weathering will be quite in-depth and so I would like to leave a week/5days for just painting, but will see...
da waaagh orkz wrote:Very nice so far. What colour scheme are you going to use on the wood? I always use a rather lazy scorched brown/rhinox hide undercoat with khemri brown drybrushed over the top.
I would like to see what you do as to improve on my own painting.
Thanks.
I'm not entirely sure yet. I had a chat with Weety on her blog about wood and that gave me some ideas.
I'm thinking that most of the planks will be (initially) the same colour to indicate the same wood, but then a few will be different to add variation and then there will be lots of dirt, grime, mould, rot, damp, rust, etc... over them to give the whole thing a derelict look.
I'll post up the painting as and when I do it, although being Humbrol paints it may not mean much to you (I'll try and do translations when I do though).
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Reminding me of a certain nursery rhyme... "I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down"
Awesome work though, staggered by the look of this woodden shack so far
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Actually the grey of the sprues is giving me the vib, you should go with that grey sun bleached look rather than brown.
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 Ruglud wrote:Reminding me of a certain nursery rhyme... "I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down"
Awesome work though, staggered by the look of this woodden shack so far
Ha Ha, nice one.
Thanks. I'm glad it's impressing people. Automatically Appended Next Post: Camkierhi wrote:Actually the grey of the sprues is giving me the vib, you should go with that grey sun bleached look rather than brown.
Ta. maybe I'll do half of it, to make it look like the sun is mostly from one direction... I'll stick it with the other ideas.
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˄˄ What Cam says...
Sun bleached wood FTW
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I'm simply blown away that you did that all with sprue!
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removable roof for the win! maximum playability thus!
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dsteingass wrote:I'm simply blown away that you did that all with sprue!
Thanks Dave. Think of it as small, long, thin strips of plasticard that requires a lot of cleaning up.
and It's amazing what can be achieved, when you have nothing else to be doing...
Viktor von Domm wrote:removable roof for the win! maximum playability thus!
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Once the glue it dry here, I'll do the base. This will make it easier to do the broken corner as I can stick the posts down.
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whenever i see that wooden grain i really have to supress the urge to copy this... i have too much already up my sleave...too much....too much...
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Viktor von Domm wrote:whenever i see that wooden grain i really have to supress the urge to copy this... i have too much already up my sleave...too much....too much...
There are easier ways to get the same or similar look, but everyone should have a go at making Sprue-Wood, if only for a picket fence...
I'm now waiting for the glue to dry on the base so I can check if the hut is actually attached to it and to finalise the base's mud and rocks before adding more details/larger rocks and debris and then finishing the hut... it's just sat there and I can't touch it...
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can't touch it...
http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1313260743_mc-hammer.jpg
well...one day mate... as this wooden grain would look extra good on a nce steampunky boiler of course^^
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lol.
Yeah, wood and steampunk go together well.
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I like the progress Dr H. Lets see some basing and stuff too!
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Thanks Comrade.
Since you asked and the glue is still drying (why must PVA be water based, damn those hydrogen bonds... )... here's what the base looks like so far.
In a departure from sprue as a material, the basing mix is my usual collection of dried paint/glue, plastic scrapings and all the other bits of general rubbish that builds up on your modelling board/table during model making.
You may or may not notice (it will be more apparent once painted) a worn path from the doorway to the left rear corner, which is mostly devoid of large rocks etc...
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Looking better and better!
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Post by: Theophony
, I can't even be logged off for a little bit without a whole house being built . This is so epic, like a blackadder build, just more orky . I think it should have a little plaque saying "bildt bye abitat 4 uhmanite"
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yeah... after you mentioned it i saw the path... good looking basing by the way... looks almost fit to play on even unpainted...
as for the drying issue of PVA... well... i just put it on our balcony and the sun and dry air does the trick... half an hour... during this i cook meals or do the laundry... drying time is always well spent on other errands^^
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SelvaggioSaky wrote:Looking better and better!
Thanks SS.
Theophony wrote: , I can't even be logged off for a little bit without a whole house being built . This is so epic, like a blackadder build, just more orky . I think it should have a little plaque saying "bildt bye abitat 4 uhmanite"
Thanks Theo. Hopefully my eventual paint-job does it justice.
Speaking of plaques you can see in that picture above, I saved the original "plank concept" plank and stuck it on above what's left of the door to be used as a plaque-like object. Although I have an idea for what to write on that already, but you're going to have to wait until it's painted...
Viktor von Domm wrote:yeah... after you mentioned it i saw the path... good looking basing by the way... looks almost fit to play on even unpainted...
Thanks. Yeah, this is how I do all my bases and it'll be painted similar as well so it all fits together. I know what you mean about the unpainted look, I have thought this before. But there is more to do on the base, so it won't look so (relatively) plain.
as for the drying issue of PVA... well... i just put it on our balcony and the sun and dry air does the trick... half an hour... during this i cook meals or do the laundry... drying time is always well spent on other errands^^
Yeah, it's getting there. At least the warm weather is good for one thing. I'll leave it alone for the night and it should be solid in the morning.
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Wow. Awesome work! Can't wait till it's painted.
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Amazing work, H. I'm having to add wood to my entry as well and I wish I'd thought of this, it's such a good idea and looks great.
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da waaagh orkz wrote:Wow. Awesome work! Can't wait till it's painted.
Thanks da waaagh. I'm starting to feel better about my chances of getting this done on time... Touch wood again (damn plastic...) Casey's Law wrote:Amazing work, H. I'm having to add wood to my entry as well and I wish I'd thought of this, it's such a good idea and looks great.
Well the tutorial is out there for all to see... and I'm sure you have plenty of sprue laying about... Thanks. This is kind of a spot the difference picture really. Although you can see the support struts I added between the walls.  I've added a few larger pieces to the base (some of which are round the back so you can't see them) such as a possible broken ceramic pot and some wood. More will be added later when I have the whole thing together and can see the empty spaces and/or where it looks too regular. Had to resist putting too many large "rocks" as I need to leave space for the plants that I plan on making (from sprue obviously). I think I can call the main hut structure finished and I will now start on the roof... Anyone spot any issues while I have time to fix them?
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Post by: nerdfest09
Man H, that's some of the best work i've seen you do! :-) looks very realistic and very good especially considering it's made from SPRUE!!..... SPRUE!!!
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I should consider sending you more sprue... I have a ton, and you do many amazing things with it...
EPIC HOUSE my orks want it.
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Dr H wrote:Casey's Law wrote:Amazing work, H. I'm having to add wood to my entry as well and I wish I'd thought of this, it's such a good idea and looks great.
Well the tutorial is out there for all to see... and I'm sure you have plenty of sprue laying about...
Thanks.
I wish I could but I'd feel like I was cheating by copying you. Nah, I'll stick the the plan and see what I can do with it.
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nerdfest09 wrote:Man H, that's some of the best work i've seen you do! :-) looks very realistic and very good especially considering it's made from SPRUE!!..... SPRUE!!!
Thanks NF. I'm happy with it so far. The extra effort just makes it all the more special, coupled with this being my first terrain piece and my first complete scratch build; I think when it comes to playing a game, this will always be on the table.
cormadepanda wrote:I should consider sending you more sprue... I have a ton, and you do many amazing things with it...
EPIC HOUSE my orks want it.
Ha ha. I have loads of sprue myself and it doesn't take much to make this; I've used one Eldar Guardian sprue, one Termagant sprue, most of one half of the Dire Avenger double sprue and some of a Tyranid Warrior sprue so far.
Casey's Law wrote:Dr H wrote:Casey's Law wrote:Amazing work, H. I'm having to add wood to my entry as well and I wish I'd thought of this, it's such a good idea and looks great.
Well the tutorial is out there for all to see... and I'm sure you have plenty of sprue laying about...
Thanks.
I wish I could but I'd feel like I was cheating by copying you. Nah, I'll stick the the plan and see what I can do with it.
Ah well, it's out there in the public domain, but fair enough. Something to use in the future though.
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Dr H wrote:Casey's Law wrote:Dr H wrote:Casey's Law wrote:Amazing work, H. I'm having to add wood to my entry as well and I wish I'd thought of this, it's such a good idea and looks great.
Well the tutorial is out there for all to see... and I'm sure you have plenty of sprue laying about...
I wish I could but I'd feel like I was cheating by copying you. Nah, I'll stick the the plan and see what I can do with it.
Ah well, it's out there in the public domain, but fair enough. Something to use in the future though.
For sure, matey! I'll be trying it out as soon as the challenge is over, maybe for another competition if it fits.
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Casey: Look forward to what you and others do with the sprue wood.
Roof in progress.
I made the frame and I added small pegs that allow for easier positioning on the hut and prevent it from falling off.
And I've wrestled the corrugated steel roof from the cardboard (that was more of a pita then I remember from childhood).
I even have spares if I make a mess of these.
These aren't glued down yet, so don't worry about he warped nature of them and I will be damaging/weathering this near corner to match the rest of the hut, I just had to build the whole to get the position of the beams right for when it is broken...
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hmmm.... seeing the last footage... i think the corrugated metal roof should be reconsidered... seeing how you are able to come up with such sweet structues... you should to wooden shingles...i am not telling you this to bother you... but to not bother us if you didn´t
honestly... wouldn´t that make the whole thing not go full circle?....i think so
cheers, vik
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That's an interesting thought Vik.
What is it that you don't like about the metal roof?
Wooden shingles "wood" be possible, but "wood" also be a hell of a lot more work.
and they "wood" have to be very small shingles as sprue is very thin and therefore there "wood" have to be a ridiculous number of shingles.
Also, do you not think that the hut is becoming very WOOD?
I think the metal roof "wood" give the whole model another texture. Otherwise it's likely to become "here's some wood, here's more wood, and this is some wood...".
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I just got some of that corrugated paper from the art store, much easier for conversions than wrestling boxes.
Also swing by my place, you have made a cameo appearance .
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actually i really like wood... almost all my furniture is unpainted and un sealed pine wood... i love the look of IKEA furniture it has all these nice looking knotholes and such things...
wooden´t it be good to have an all wooden hut? whut aka wo(oden)hut
and well i know where you are coming from with ading a metal roof to the hut... i grant you it could be looking a bit too similar... walls and roof all alike... but i take it you would come up with a different look for the roof compared too walls... also... you could do two roofs
i wood like to see that
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I think that corrugated card is a bit overscaled, try smaller grooves.
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I see. I shall have to have a think and a look to see what I have laying about...
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Are you going to coat the cardboard in something like watered pva glue? It might reinforce it a little and make it look more like corrugated iron and less like cardboard.
Although presumably your already on step a head of me...
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That comp. you guys are in is amazing, and producing some amazing work, but I am sorry this is the star of the show. The effort to make what you have is staggering, and it looks absolutely brilliant. This shows what scratch building is really about, making something WAY better than you could buy, from stuff others through out.
OMG your a Womble......
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Oh and BTW hunt through some boxes of chocolates, I got a good sized sheet of corrugated that's almost plastic in nature, from a box of choc's.
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Two steps, technically... it was coated with PVA...
Anyway, I am thinking about alternatives:
Can't do typical straw thatch, as the roof isn't angled enough.
I've tried to shave twigs out of sprue for a twig-like thatch, but that didn't really work.
I could do more planks, but is that too similar to the walls / not be original enough?
I could do slate/shingles from card, but they wouldn't be very textured.
I could do a overgrown/lawn/plant/garden -type roof from the shaving of the planks (I'm going to be using some of these for plant life about the hut anyway, but have enough to cover a partially collapsed roof).
Any thoughts or ideas from out there? Automatically Appended Next Post: Camkierhi wrote:
Oh and BTW hunt through some boxes of chocolates, I got a good sized sheet of corrugated that's almost plastic in nature, from a box of choc's.
Thanks Cam.
Oh, that is a good call. Don't think we have any in the house though
But maybe there is some I don't know about...
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I think that the corrugated iron roof is the best choice for this kind of Hut, if not You could use a few planks like the walls, some corrugated metal, some kind of foliage/straw and some pieces of scrap metal all at once in very ORKY style
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Kustom force field roof. Or you could. A stretched leather roof made from squiggoth hide.
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And Hide of course
That what was missing, thanks Theo
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Only thing I can think of against a corrugated roof is that it fixes it in modern/future. Can't really use it for fantasy. Or am I wrong? i'm not sure.
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I'm trying to keep the hut as universal as possible (game-wise, I can't think of a tabletop game that you couldn't use a wooden hut in) as per the competition rules. Hence no high-tech or futuristic materials in the hut.
Also trying to limit myself to scrap modelling materials where possible (and almost exclusively sprue). But an exception for the roof may have to be made.
Animal skin is a good idea... although what I could make it out of...hmm...
Card, with shavings stuck on and cut short to look like fur...
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Animal skin can be leather and leather is very smooth...
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Camkierhi wrote:Only thing I can think of against a corrugated roof is that it fixes it in modern/future. Can't really use it for fantasy. Or am I wrong? i'm not sure.
I was assuming that as Fantasy had metal weapons and armour, that corrugated metal sheets would be possible... but I don't know.... Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh, I do have the "leather" that I used for the leather seats in my WS... Don't know how much I have, and they weren't very big...
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
you could always use tissue as a means to make a big clothed roof...
or even a board covered roof... but even me thinks that this might be too many boards...
maybe the currogated roof is not that bad as an idea after al... but if you do this... try to make overlapping pieces of the metal... thus it looks more ramshakle...
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Post by: Camkierhi
You are right, I am probably off wack. Nothing wrong with corrugated.
BTW torn masking tape makes for effective cloth/hide looking material and with a coat of PVA is quite durable, I use it for my banners all the time.
If layered up It looks really effective.
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Ramshackle is the word.
I had a rummage, a minor panic when I couldn't find what I was looking for, another rummage and I've found:
One square of (on this scale, quite thick) woollen material that came with a hat a bought. It's not quite as big as the roof and, as I said, 4mm thick.
AND
One square of foam-backed leather-ish material, just like that I used for the Wave Serpent and ... AND, It's massive (relatively). I could cut an animal skin shape out of it easy then string it up stretched to the roof piece and give it a paint....
What do we think to that?
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BTW torn masking tape makes for effective cloth/hide looking material and with a coat of PVA is quite durable, I use it for my banners all the time.
Masking tape Never thought of that. That's brilliant.
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For alternate corrugated card, have you tried the coffee cup holders? I think that would be more in scale and you can pick them up for free...
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Dr H wrote:Ramshackle is the word.
I had a rummage, a minor panic when I couldn't find what I was looking for, another rummage and I've found:
One square of (on this scale, quite thick) woollen material that came with a hat a bought. It's not quite as big as the roof and, as I said, 4mm thick.
AND
One square of foam-backed leather-ish material, just like that I used for the Wave Serpent and ... AND, It's massive (relatively). I could cut an animal skin shape out of it easy then string it up stretched to the roof piece and give it a paint....
What do we think to that?
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Camkierhi wrote:
BTW torn masking tape makes for effective cloth/hide looking material and with a coat of PVA is quite durable, I use it for my banners all the time.
Masking tape Never thought of that. That's brilliant.
Also Kleenex type Tissues make a lovely canvas texture when soaked in a 50:50 PVA water mix. also they dry VERY hard.
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Thanks Guys, lots of good ideas for now and for the future. That's a serious looking "tent" there Galorn...
Keep it coming people.
I'm going to have a look at this animal hide idea and will get back to you later.
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Post by: Theophony
Could lays do patchwork hide from orks that tried to take over the leadership roll.
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Post by: dsteingass
Yeah patchwork, or look at Galorn's recent pattern
Sandpaper also works
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Thanks Theo. That sounds tricky to do. Good idea though.
Ahh, metal patchwork. That's relatively simple, re-adds the metal to add variation to texture, replaces the rivets that were lost with the corrugated steel and can be made with scrap modelling material... I'll give that a go first and see how it looks. Ta muchly Dave.
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What do we think about the size of these sheets?
Should they be smaller?
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Post by: cormadepanda
Add some rivets there for a riveting good ol time, and you be painting like a campion. Hey whats with the big "paws"! keep working.
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Oh yeah, there will be rivets. Once I've got the arrangement right with those sheets (some aren't sitting flat enough).
But are these sheets big enough or too big?
They all are about the right size to sit across from one beam to another in the roof frame, so technically are the correct size, but do they "look" right?
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Post by: Casey's Law
Looking epic mate! I'm going to get cracking on with mine tonight, serious progress will be made.
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Post by: Camkierhi
They are looking great, the only thing I would say is to randomise the size a bit more, maybe like you say some a bit smaller. Also (totally a personal suggestion) I usually make one or two look like they are panels from enemy vehicles. So not always just flat sheets. A couple small strips of card running across a panel makes it look like a piece from a Rhino.
Like I say though it looks good as is.
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^^ what Cam said!
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Get to it Casey. Cool. Good suggestions Cam. I've rearranged them to sit better and glued them together. They are slightly differing in shape and size (the rear right one is much smaller, but yeah, maybe a little too regular). I can definitely add more details to them, Nothing too recognisable though to keep it available for any game system's look, but a raised edge here, a something there... I'll look into it. Also one of the pieces had an embossed "7" that I thought I'd turn into a feature. Also added some rust damage to the broken corner and some examples of riveting (these aren't stuck down yet, I'll do the detailing before I do that). The exposed wood of the roof will receive some damage as well, it won't stay like that. 
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Post by: Theophony
Drill a hole, then shove a grot in it to plug the leak
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Ha ha, it's a thought. But that would limit the hut to warhammer games (as there's no grots in Infinity for example).
I really am trying to kill as many birds as possible with this piece.
I've added some strips to a few of the plates to add some detail, hopefully it's kept it's timeless look.
Just given it and the base a coat of PVA/water and when that dries I'll rivet it and show you lot.
Hopefully I have enough rivets in stock to cover this (I intend to do both sides).
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I submit this humble example of riveting for the appraisal of the League
There's three kinds of rivets;
One set that was on the pieces of metal when they were "collected". These will be the oldest and therefore most weathered.
The second set is what has been used to hold the plates together.
And the third set is the larger rivets that hold the metal roof to the frame of the hut.
What do we think?
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Post by: SelvaggioSaky
I think that the roof is on fire mate!
Loving the choice You made at the end, but You could throw in a couple of planks
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SelvaggioSaky wrote:I think that the roof is on fire mate!
Loving the choice You made at the end, but You could throw in a couple of planks
Thanks SS. Well there's still the underside to do, maybe something could be done there.
I've got to add a few bits of wall to the underside of the roof at the broken corner (it'll make sense when I do it) and then decide how much rubble to add to that corner.
As an additional note on the roof, I'll be doing each plate with a slightly different degree and colour of rust to make them look different ages and different types/grades of metal.
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Post by: Camkierhi
I am not sure I may comment not being a riveter, but it looks brilliant to me, those touches to the panels really make a difference.
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Camkierhi wrote:I am not sure I may comment not being a riveter, but it looks brilliant to me, those touches to the panels really make a difference.
Your comments are very welcome here Cam.
Thanks
Also, the bandage-like material you can see hanging from the post by the "door" (what's left of it) is the remains of an awning that would have been attached to the other corner (that is no longer there). I may make it more tattered then it is here, yet.
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Post by: dsteingass
I would call that some..extraordinary riveting!
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Post by: Theophony
I'm in league with what Dave said
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Coolio. Glad it passes muster. Thanks dudes.
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
Love what you did with the roof in the end. I think it turned out very nicely
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Post by: Largeblastmarker
You need to clean up your desk. I'm loving this blog.
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
I disagree. Every modellers desk should look exactly like that.
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Post by: Dr H
Thanks da waaagh.
Thanks LBM.
Ha Ha, to be fair it does get a tidy between models and it's a wooden board that can get covered in paint and glue, I could just put it away and the desk would be spotless.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
hmmmm...*shifty eyes*...hmmm.... do you suggest...?
doc... i think it looks perfect now... i scrolled and read through the last updates and with each one i swallowed my thoughts as you actually performed them...!
also... if i think what dave suggest i would double dare this and call for cam likewise... actually i want you both as i type...get yourself a banner quickly...!!! welcome to the fold...!
so says the ancient vik!
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Post by: nerdfest09
I second the applause of such extraordinary riveting! the thought process of having some rivets larger for holding the roof on and others more weathered is genius! and the result is looking well worth the effort!
bloody good job Dr!
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Viktor von Domm wrote:doc... i think it looks perfect now... i scrolled and read through the last updates and with each one i swallowed my thoughts as you actually performed them...!
Thanks Vik. Good to know I'm on the right wavelength.
hmmmm...*shifty eyes*...hmmm.... do you suggest...?
also... if i think what dave suggest i would double dare this and call for cam likewise... actually i want you both as i type...get yourself a banner quickly...!!! welcome to the fold...!
so says the ancient vik!
I am humbled *bows* by the mighty Vik *bows* and The greatest and all powerful League of Extraordinary Riveters *curtseys* ...
I haven't an acceptance speech ready, but I would like to thank the founders of the League for creating such a wondrous thing and I would like to thank my family and the gods of plastic and card and ...
...
... and to that bloke that worked in that shop where I bought the very model that set me on a the path towards the place that I now find myself...
Thanks Vik. I'll get to it.
and welcome/congratulations Cam. Automatically Appended Next Post: nerdfest09 wrote:I second the applause of such extraordinary riveting! the thought process of having some rivets larger for holding the roof on and others more weathered is genius! and the result is looking well worth the effort!
bloody good job Dr!
Thanks NF. Yeah, I really try to give every piece (from the smallest to the largest) of each model careful thought as to it's job, why is it there (and not somewhere else) and how it may be affected by it's position.
Hopefully my painting can afford the cheques that the modelling is writing...
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Post by: Casey's Law
Looking great, pal!
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Thanks Vik. I'll get to it.
looking good already
now sanity has sincerely left you... you are totally free of all hitherto boundaries you might have tried to clutch to... embrace the new^^
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Thanks Casey.
Vik, what is this sanity of which you speak? Is it something to do with being clean...?!?
And to demonstrate that I take my responsibilities in the League seriously, I have finished the riveting of the roof...
...with the underside.
Obviously some of the rivets (that were done from above and so don't follow the lines underneath) are "hidden" by the wooden beams.
Right. On to the next piece, which is something that I haven't decided on yet...
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Post by: cormadepanda
Sir your double riveting surface really tickles my buns. Well done. Perhaps old chap we can see what this next rumored piece is you speak of? Alas,I am lost for words, but I will requisition that you add a flotilla of color to this piece to really bring it to life. Do use a wide pallet, for I have hi hopes for your pigment choices to bring warmth to my lovely eyes. Oh seems a guardsmen is going to interrupt my team party. -Grrrrr--- WAggggggghhh!!! *chases after some poor fool* Dat's da un get em!
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Thanks Comrade.
Perhaps old chap we can see what this next rumored piece is you speak of?
You can. Once I've decided what it actually is and then sat down and made it...
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Post by: Camkierhi
Beautiful work Dr H, now get some paint on it dude so you can win that competition.
Congratulations on your entry to the League sir.
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Camkierhi wrote:Beautiful work Dr H, now get some paint on it dude so you can win that competition.
Congratulations on your entry to the League sir.
Thanks Cam.
Can't yet, still building things...
Tactical Marine #1: " ! Where did that bench and table come from?"
I'm still looking at a shutter for the window, not sure it'll fit on what with the rotten wood (but also because of the broken planks around the window).
And still need to look at plant life...
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Post by: Casey's Law
So cool, the key is in the details for sure!
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In other news! epic table.. I want to cast this and make dozens of them, simply awesome.
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Fantastic! I bet you could build a bench vise from the flat round knobbly bits of sprue
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
Terrific work. Are you going to paint the table a slightly different colour from the walls? It might give a bit of variation. may I suggest painting it as a mahogany table?
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Post by: Theophony
Congrats and welcome to the league , you definitely deserve it. The hut is coming along great, I'd almost be afraid to touch it because of splinters.
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Wowzer Dr H, that roof is the bee's knee's...
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Casey's Law wrote:So cool, the key is in the details for sure!
Ja. I love's me many little details.
Thanks.
cormadepanda wrote:*snip*
In other news! epic table.. I want to cast this and make dozens of them, simply awesome.
Thanks Comrade.
I'm sure it'll get here eventually, things can take a little longer to get out here in the country. I look forward to opening it.
I take the time to read everything and yes the internet provides.
Well you did kind of jump decimal when you went from binary to hexadecimal...
If I was more awake and could remember how, I'd start formatting all my responses to you as if they were in C or C+ or even assembler.
Look forward to seeing what you do with your wraith.
dsteingass wrote:Fantastic! I bet you could build a bench vise from the flat round knobbly bits of sprue
Thanks Dave. I do intend to make a few things to go on the table, so I'll have a look at a vice
da waaagh orkz wrote:Terrific work. Are you going to paint the table a slightly different colour from the walls? It might give a bit of variation. may I suggest painting it as a mahogany table?
Thanks da waaagh. Yes, I will do differing woods. That's an idea, I wonder what ancient Mahogany looks like
Theophony wrote:Congrats and welcome to the league , you definitely deserve it. The hut is coming along great, I'd almost be afraid to touch it because of splinters.
Thanks Theo. Yeah, maybe it should be classed as dangerous terrain due to the risk of splinters...
Ruglud wrote:Wowzer Dr H, that roof is the bee's knee's...
Thanks Ruglud.
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Dangerous terrain, or anyone moving into the hut takes a strength 2 hit with ap -.
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Theo: I'd have thought that splinters would ignore armour as you know they have a way of working their way inside your clothes and shoes and waiting until you're at your most vulnerable and then jabbing you...
I have here the answer to the question that, literally, none of you asked...
How much shavings have been produced by this hut build?
About that much... and you can see in the background the piles of the bits that have been clipped from the longer pieces of sprue.
and I think I'm going to start teasing you all with small close-ups that don't show the whole model in order to not loose the impact of the final piece.
Starting with some of the plants.
Made from sprue of course...
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Sprue flowers??? Do you also cater parties with the decorative fruit carvings? They look amazing, but will be a bugger to paint all those strands.
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Sprue plants!? Dude that is insanely cool!
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Theophony wrote:Sprue flowers??? Do you also cater parties with the decorative fruit carvings? They look amazing, but will be a bugger to paint all those strands.
Yeah, it could be very difficult to paint, but I'm hoping that if I throw paint at it in the right way It'll turn out ok and without major issues. Shouldn't be any harder than paintbrush-bristle grass...hopefully.
Casey's Law wrote:Sprue plants!? Dude that is insanely cool!
Thanks Casey. I've said before that there is many things that can be done with sprue.
I used this tutorial: http://www.terragenesis.co.uk/infopages/page350.html
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Post by: da waaagh orkz
Airbrushing the grass is the quickest and easiest way I can think of doing it effectively.
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Yeah, airbrush for sure!
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I absolutely agree that an airbrush would make it easy. I just don't have one...
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Gathering to have a drink and contemplate the broken ladder...
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You definitely need to take steps.......
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Those sprue plants are looking great, I tried this once or twice in the past but never seemed to master the technique, maybe I'll give it another try...
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Thanks Cam.
Thanks Ruglud.
Yeah, they are tricky to get right and unique (it very easy to end up with them all the same). I did occasionally chop off some "leaves" that i didn't intend to and some ended up in funny shapes, But those can be glued back on or re-shaped.
However, I decided not to try and get them perfect in the modelling as it probably won't show and the painting should hide any minor sins / make them look more like plants.
The flower heads were done as per the tutorial and then glued onto the stems and then the leaves (a few chips of sprue) were glued onto the stems to complete the look.
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Well, I am inspired now to have another try and soon...
BTW, where did the bottles come from? Surely not more great sprue work??
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Ruglud wrote:Well, I am inspired now to have another try and soon...
BTW, where did the bottles come from? Surely not more great sprue work??
Look forward to seeing what you do.
Yeah, you're right. The bottles are sprue as well.
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Having made the ladder above (from sprue again, and the square stuff that is. No cheating and using the round sprue I have), I was going to mount it to the hut. But, I couldn't really think of a justification for why the hut maker would have rushed the build of the hut and then taken the care to mount a ladder to the (poorly attached) wood of the hut. So I decided to leave the ladder separate and that does mean that it can be moved around the hut for some variation in game. However, I felt that the ladder should at least be stored some way and so I came to a compromise between the above two ideas and mounted a storage hook to the rear of the hut (riveted through to the other side of course). Having completed that and then sanding all the rivets flat and then looking at the possible bench vice (and not really coming up with anything suitable), I took a step back and thought that to add much/any more to the hut would just be adding things for no major purpose and as this is supposed to be a playable piece of terrain I didn't want to add anything that would restrict movement in and around the hut (any more than I already have). And so, I have started to throw paint about (and yes it's tricky getting to all the surfaces... ). Starting with a very dark brown to give the deep shadows/contrast. For those keeping track this was a mixture of 33 (black = Chaos black) and a little 186 (Brown = Bestial Brown), quite heavily watered down to run into all the little cracks and grooves. Thoughts, ideas, comments? Is there something that you really think is missing? If I find an area starts to look bare I may still add something extra before the end...
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Post by: Camkierhi
Looking good, really good.
I like the ladder hook, though I store my ladders horizontally IRL. (just a thought.)
Also needed a ladder to put roof on the hut so of course he has a nice ladder, probably left around by some lazy Imperial carpenter who left the wood lying around.
And I bow to your wisdom, stop before you go to far, Looks brilliant, needs nothing but paint.
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Camkierhi wrote:Looking good, really good.
I like the ladder hook, though I store my ladders horizontally IRL. (just a thought.)
Also needed a ladder to put roof on the hut so of course he has a nice ladder, probably left around by some lazy Imperial carpenter who left the wood lying around.
And I bow to your wisdom, stop before you go to far, Looks brilliant, needs nothing but paint.
Thanks Cam.
Oh yeah, ladders are normally stored sideways Oh well if the builder had been a bright enough spark for that, he would have built a better hut...
I can always add things later, the table and bench are staying free for variation anyway, so other things can always take their place in the future.
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It's a miniature sculpture! Brilliant!
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Miniature gatORKade bottles , my ork bloodbowl team would steal that idea quickly. The ladder and ladder hook are great as well.
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dsteingass wrote:It's a miniature sculpture! Brilliant!
Thanks Dave. Now for the tricky part, the painting... Theophony wrote:Miniature gatORKade bottles , my ork bloodbowl team would steal that idea quickly. The ladder and ladder hook are great as well.
Thanks Theo. The bottles were reasonably simple to do. Just shave your piece of sprue until it's almost cylindrical, then sand it like a madman with your chosen sandpaper while twisting the sprue back and forth (I found that holding two pieces of sandpaper, face to face, with the sprue in between worked well) until it's smooth and round. Then carve the neck at one end of the (now cylindrical) sprue, decide how tall you want your bottle and then chop it off and do the next bottle. A little tidying may be necessary before paint. The ladder pieces were done the same only thinner and without the neck.
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You need to change your name to Dr Sprue! I am still blown away at what you have done with the sprue left overs, those bottles are so well done and the plants!, the plants! from SPRUE! mind bogglingly good dude!
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Post by: Casey's Law
Great work , H! You are a master of sprue, enjoy painting it up!
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nerdfest09 wrote:You need to change your name to Dr Sprue! I am still blown away at what you have done with the sprue left overs, those bottles are so well done and the plants!, the plants! from SPRUE! mind bogglingly good dude!
Thanks NF. I'm fairly sure almost anyone can do these things from sprue, just give it a go.
I hope I can do a mind bogglingly good paintjob like you do with your things...
Casey's Law wrote:Great work , H! You are a master of sprue, enjoy painting it up!
Thanks Casey. I'm sure I will once I get into it...
...but first...
...some colour tests.
These will need some changes for the final piece like; weathering, mud/dirt, mould, shading depending on position, and some as yet unknown techniques to make them look more realistic... So these are just colour ideas and there will probably be more before I start on the actual model...
From left to right (the paint translations were done in a round-the-houses kind of way and so may not be entirely accurate, if I use a "=" it means I found a match, if it's a "~" then I just picked the possible closest match. Apologies if these are the old colours, most of the names make no sense to me anyway I work in numbers):
1. Some kind of red wood (like mahogany, maybe);
Over the base colour the following were dry-brushed;
186(brown = Bestial Brown) + 60(Scarlet ~ Blood Red)
71(Satin Oak ~ Bleached Bone) + 60(Scarlet ~ Blood Red)
71(Satin Oak ~ Bleached Bone)
34(White = Skull White) Patchy to give variation to colour,
Wash with 33(Black = Chaos Black) Also patchy for variation.
2. A yellow-ish wood...
Over the base colour the following were dry-brushed;
63(Sand ~ Iyanden Darksun)
24(Trainer Yellow ~ Badmoon Yellow)
Wash with 33(Black = Chaos Black) Patchy.
3. Grey (honest, there's no blue involved), bleached wood, could do with being lighter.
Over the base colour the following were dry-brushed;
27(Sea Grey = Codex grey)
64(Light Grey ~ fortress Grey)
34(White = Skull White)
Wash with 33(Black = Chaos Black) patchy.
4. Driftwood type, old and moist... .
Over the base colour the following were dry-brushed;
83(Ochre = Camo Green)
71(Satin Oak ~ Bleached Bone)
Wash with 33(Black = Chaos Black) patchy.
5. What I would call "wood" coloured, more of a chocolate wood colour.
Over the base colour the following were dry-brushed;
186(brown=Bestial Brown)
71(Satin Oak~Bleached Bone)
34(White=Skull White) Patchy to give variation to colour,
Wash with 33(Black=Chaos Black) Also patchy for variation.
Good points, ideas, hints, tips, comments all welcome...
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Personally I am with No.3, I said before Grey wood, and now it screams to me. You can go mossy or desserty, but grey sun bleached and weathered wood.
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I think you'll find different boards can weather differently, so mixing and matching several colors at random wouldn't hurt.
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3, 4 or 5 says I! Maybe a mixture if it feels natural.
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Thanks Guys.
Yeah, I am planning of the outside being partially/mostly bleached. But there are areas (not least of all, the inside) that don't get as much sun and so those will be more wood-y colours.
dsteingass wrote:I think you'll find different boards can weather differently, so mixing and matching several colors at random wouldn't hurt.
Absolutely. I do want it to look like it's been thrown together from random woods and not all the same wood, maybe even patched up now and again.
and those are some brilliant examples Dave. Ta.
Just need to get mine looking as real as those...
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