WayneTheGame wrote: the boxed armies include HQs that aren't needed once you've bought an army.
Every Space Marine player knows you can never have too many HQs (I own about 15 captains, 6 Librarians, 5 Chaplains and a lot of Special Characters... I don't have a kitbashing addiction )
A box like the Strike Force for Wolves would be pretty cool, you spend a bit more but also save more, and a new player gets much more utility out of it than a battleforce. It also means that for those looking to sell bits off to recoup some of the cost, you have a lot more options.
WayneTheGame wrote: the boxed armies include HQs that aren't needed once you've bought an army.
Every Space Marine player knows you can never have too many HQs (I own about 15 captains, 6 Librarians, 5 Chaplains and a lot of Special Characters... I don't have a kitbashing addiction )
A box like the Strike Force for Wolves would be pretty cool, you spend a bit more but also save more, and a new player gets much more utility out of it than a battleforce. It also means that for those looking to sell bits off to recoup some of the cost, you have a lot more options.
Fair point Hopefully they will do something like that. Maybe it can have a Rune Priest since the campaign box comes with a Lord.
Well if you are speaking competitive, the only unit in the SW force that would be is the 5 Grey Hunters. Blood Claws and Terminators aren't.
Obviously if you aren't buying this for the Campaign itself, the SW force allows itself to be more useful due to switching the Bloodclaws to Hunters. Though at that point you could have simply ordered a Space wolf box for 37ish bucks instead.
I like the artwork, although there is something about the current red and black 40K styling that just doesn't work for me.
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Bulldogging wrote: Well if you are speaking competitive, the only unit in the SW force that would be is the 5 Grey Hunters. Blood Claws and Terminators aren't.
The Blood Claws can just be built as Hunters or Wolf Guard instead, though.
Bulldogging wrote: Well if you are speaking competitive, the only unit in the SW force that would be is the 5 Grey Hunters. Blood Claws and Terminators aren't.
I am speaking what's in the box vs whats in the box.
As a whole I think it's an interesting box.
It's stupid. Why can't they just put in balanced forces?
I was really excited about this at first. Then, the more I think about it, the less enthusiastic I become.
RULE BOOK Really want one, but honestly I have the BRB and the mini rulebook will show up again in the DV starters.
ORK FORCES I've said it multiple times, and I'll say it again, this Ork list looks like the worst sellers list for Orks.
Nobz are great for Konversions, especially if you using the new Freebootaz, but any Ork player worth his salt probably has more Nobz than he'll ever use from all the AOBR Orks they bulked up on.
Kanz are less desireable in 7E than there were previously, but if your intent on buying them, this is probably the way to go.
Grotz are basically cheap filler. You need to be some special breed of Oddboy to want tonz of grotz, outside of needing some new crew for the Mek Gunz you should be converting.
SPACE WOLVES FORCES If you want to play Space Wolves, this isn't bad, as both a starting point, or reinforcements. Although, you may be hard pressed to putting the terminators to work, if you already have an established army.
If you can sucker a friend into geting one as well and trade the opposing forces so you have twice as many of the same force, then you make out okay.
44Ronin wrote: It's stupid. Why can't they just put in balanced forces?
Because Space Marines are the biggest seller, so they have to let Little Timmy play heroic badass Viking Wolfmen and beat the crap out of ugly green guys.
They will never be balanced because they are pushing an agenda. Dark Vengeance was heavily biased towards the Dark Angels as well.
adamsouza wrote: If you can sucker a friend into geting one as well and trade the opposing forces so you have twice as many of the same force, then you make out okay.
I agree with some of the above, what a disappointment as an Ork fan, the only thing I would love are the Killa Kans as I am trying to complete my Killa Kans Squad of 6.
But I have done the maths and can get the box set cheaper individually from online retailers than in the box format and well under the $190 Australian including postage.
Do we know how limited edition this is yet? Is it Space Hulk limited edition, or "Hobbit Starter Set" Limited Edition? because there's a big difference between the two
adamsouza wrote: If you can sucker a friend into geting one as well and trade the opposing forces so you have twice as many of the same force, then you make out okay.
Unless you get the Orks...
It's safe to figure if you're doing this it's because you want the kanz and the rulebook.
You're basically getting the Nobz and Rulez for free, when you buy the Kanz and Grotz.
Sure, any other Ork box set instead of the Nobz and Grotz would have made this a better deal, but as I sadi before, I suspect this is a way to get rid of slow moving inventory.
Also, it's probably better than buying another Dark Vengance if you don't plan on playing Dark Angels or Chaos.
adamsouza wrote: I suspect this is a way to get rid of slow moving inventory.
Also, it's probably better than buying another Dark Vengance if you don't plan on playing Dark Angels or Chaos.
I totally agree, these are probably the three slowest moving products they've got. I guess you could say that they went along the same lines w the SW force too - I mean ofc there's the wolf kit (no other SW specific troop kits) and then the termis are quite possibly the slowest moving product besides fenrisian wolves (they couldn't've just included them...). And ofc this is a better deal than DV if you're not playing CSM or DA.
Kanluwen wrote: Wolf Guard Terminators and the Grey Hunters/Blood Claws boxes are actually some of their better sellers.
Like I said, the GH kit is an auto-include because there's simply nothing else to choose from. However regarding the WGTs, I think it would be up for debate as to whether it's them or the thunderwolves that are the slower sellers (behind fenrisian wolves). Certainly in my area anyway.
What a poorly designed car. The unnecessary ammo belts block vision, a jolt to the let or right will see you hitting your head on that box thing between the driver and passenger seat, the hand-rails are clearly insufficient for holding onto whilst the car is moving at any real speed (especially if that thing at the back is a jet engine!) and I can't for the life of me figure out what the guy at the back is holding onto. The guy pointing, does he think anyone can hear him over the sound of a twin-linked minigun and a jet engine? And just what is the guy hanging on the other side firing. The gun's tied to a backpack... but why?
That and poor Thresher looks like he's desperate to break out of the box.
But for the record, the cover doesn't remind me of a G.I. Joe toy. The cover looks fine.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What a poorly designed car. The unnecessary ammo belts block vision, a jolt to the let or right will see you hitting your head on that box thing between the driver and passenger seat, the hand-rails are clearly insufficient for holding onto whilst the car is moving at any real speed (especially if that thing at the back is a jet engine!) and I can't for the life of me figure out what the guy at the back is holding onto. The guy pointing, does he think anyone can hear him over the sound of a twin-linked minigun and a jet engine? And just what is the guy hanging on the other side firing. The gun's tied to a backpack... but why?
That and poor Thresher looks like he's desperate to break out of the box.
But for the record, the cover doesn't remind me of a G.I. Joe toy. The cover looks fine.
The style is similar, all the gi joe packaging had the firestorm style background, neon level saturation and exaggerated perspective. The graphic design is similar too.
Kelly502 wrote: Krom Dragongaze is one of the best looking SW models I've seen. IMO
I hope so, have to see it in the flesh first as it were.
The name makes me cringe a bit, immediately made me think of Tinfang Warble - one of Tolkein's less inspired Elf names (which he didn't use in the final version, fortunately)
H.B.M.C. wrote: What a poorly designed car. The unnecessary ammo belts block vision, a jolt to the let or right will see you hitting your head on that box thing between the driver and passenger seat, the hand-rails are clearly insufficient for holding onto whilst the car is moving at any real speed (especially if that thing at the back is a jet engine!) and I can't for the life of me figure out what the guy at the back is holding onto. The guy pointing, does he think anyone can hear him over the sound of a twin-linked minigun and a jet engine? And just what is the guy hanging on the other side firing. The gun's tied to a backpack... but why?
The ammo will be gone soon enough,
The block thing is an optical illusion , its on the outside of the car
Dreadnoks handcuff people to things so handle bars are not really too important
Ripper is holding on to Buzzers ass obviously in a delusional belief that that might save him
Buzzer is very politely pointing out to thrasher where he needs to proceed to next. Words are not needed with friendships such as these
Torch is firing his oxy-acetylene cutting torch like a gun cause...he ...can do that.....cause.........hes.......(waves hands vaguely) magic?
H.B.M.C. wrote: What a poorly designed car. The unnecessary ammo belts block vision, a jolt to the let or right will see you hitting your head on that box thing between the driver and passenger seat, the hand-rails are clearly insufficient for holding onto whilst the car is moving at any real speed (especially if that thing at the back is a jet engine!) and I can't for the life of me figure out what the guy at the back is holding onto. The guy pointing, does he think anyone can hear him over the sound of a twin-linked minigun and a jet engine? And just what is the guy hanging on the other side firing. The gun's tied to a backpack... but why?
That and poor Thresher looks like he's desperate to break out of the box.
I think the Space Wolves will go fabulously with some Statuesque Female Heroic Heads to make some Space Viking Amazons, which is pretty much all I needed to know.
adamsouza wrote: I was really excited about this at first. Then, the more I think about it, the less enthusiastic I become.
RULE BOOK Really want one, but honestly I have the BRB and the mini rulebook will show up again in the DV starters.
ORK FORCES I've said it multiple times, and I'll say it again, this Ork list looks like the worst sellers list for Orks.
Nobz are great for Konversions, especially if you using the new Freebootaz, but any Ork player worth his salt probably has more Nobz than he'll ever use from all the AOBR Orks they bulked up on.
Kanz are less desireable in 7E than there were previously, but if your intent on buying them, this is probably the way to go.
Grotz are basically cheap filler. You need to be some special breed of Oddboy to want tonz of grotz, outside of needing some new crew for the Mek Gunz you should be converting.
SPACE WOLVES FORCES If you want to play Space Wolves, this isn't bad, as both a starting point, or reinforcements. Although, you may be hard pressed to putting the terminators to work, if you already have an established army.
If you can sucker a friend into geting one as well and trade the opposing forces so you have twice as many of the same force, then you make out okay.
I am not sure I agree with your characterization of the ork side. Kans are still good choices. They are an easy platform for a grotzooka or rokkit and fairly priced at 50 points. THey just aren't quite as good as they used to be.
Gretchin are seeing more play with me than ever, and any ork modeler worth anything buys gretchin with decent regularity. Even if you aren't fielding them as troops (which you really should not to get those additional FOC) you can put them on bases or use them as riggers.
Nobz aren't a great choice since there are heaps of them around, but the kit is awesome and can be used with a flashgitz box to get up to 10. THe real star here is Grukk. If you are a completionist and that is the only way to get him, you need to get him.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And just what is the guy hanging on the other side firing. The gun's tied to a backpack... but why?
Best part? That's Torch. His weapons is basically a flamethrower. Yeah... they have a guy using a flamethrower, on a rocket powered car, right next to the ammo belts for dual miniguns.
This ladies and gentlemen? This is why Cobra loses all the time.
PhillyT wrote: I am not sure I agree with your characterization of the ork side. Kans are still good choices. They are an easy platform for a grotzooka or rokkit and fairly priced at 50 points. THey just aren't quite as good as they used to be.
Gretchin are seeing more play with me than ever, and any ork modeler worth anything buys gretchin with decent regularity. Even if you aren't fielding them as troops (which you really should not to get those additional FOC) you can put them on bases or use them as riggers.
Nobz aren't a great choice since there are heaps of them around, but the kit is awesome and can be used with a flashgitz box to get up to 10. THe real star here is Grukk. If you are a completionist and that is the only way to get him, you need to get him.
Going to disagree with you on basically every point here.
Kanz aren't great. They're easily the worst of our Heavy Support choices. 50 points for a rocket? I can get a buggy for half the cost, and it gets to outflank. Sure, it's BS2 instead of 3, but it's twin-linked where the Kanz aren't.
I have 0 grots in my army. No, wait, I have 1. The grot gunner on by Burnabommer. I'd rather field more Boyz if I'm trying to open up a new FOC, since we still need plenty of those to get the (various) jobs done.
Nobz? Are they mega or bike? No? Pass. They're not horrible in CC or anything, it's just that just about every role they would fill can be done better (and usually cheaper) by some other unit.
All that said, I'm still going to order this set. I'm just realistic about what I'm getting: 2 unique characters, and a bunch of models (for both armies) that likely will stay on sprues for ages.
Krom Dragongaze is a great model but since I play as Sven Bloodhowl's great company, I'm trying to figure out how to kitbash him into a good Sven. The obvious first part is replacing his pistol with another CC weapon (Sven favors CC) painting rune tattoos on his neck and maybe even face (Sven has his entire body tattooed with runes) and I'm thinking about green-stuffing fire coming out of his mouth with maybe a new head on the model. His great company has been known to spit fire using tricks with alcohol and stuff, but I just don't know if it will look too cheesy to have the model spitting fire.
I know its sorta off topic (But not really because its about a model in this box) but if anyone has any ideas I'd appreciate it.
Also I want a narly awesome base for him. Trying to figure out how to raise him up so there is no doubt that this great warrior marching into battle is the great Sven Bloodhowl and no other person is above him.
That really cool looking art, that must have taken lots of work from a really talented artist.. .. and they go and stick pictures of fething miniatures arranged like a 7-post P&M blog on the front cover of White Dwarf.
Unyielding Hunger wrote: Just going to toss this out, but I recently got informed that this is just the first in the line of new box sets.
You mean, GW? Because I'm pretty sure they posted that on their main web page.
"the first in a range of narrative campaign supplements"
Then Natfka echo'd it with 'rumors'.
Heh, never saw that. Anyhow, my FLGS owner was chatting with me on a couple of the battleforces he still had in stock, and we just got to talking about packages in general, and he was telling me about the line. I am rather curious which one the Tyranids will wind up fighting.
dantay_xv wrote: Tyranids vs Orks for Octavius, possibly, as battle for Macragge and Iyanden has covered before a wee bit.
Iyanden might actually be neat as a box: Eldar v. Tyranids. Although I think it's more likely that these will be "new" campaigns that haven't been touched on in the lore. I don't recall this "Sanctus Reach" being mentioned previously.
Sadly I get the feeling that every box will have Marines of some variety, since GW panders to Marines above everybody else.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What a poorly designed car. The unnecessary ammo belts block vision, a jolt to the let or right will see you hitting your head on that box thing between the driver and passenger seat, the hand-rails are clearly insufficient for holding onto whilst the car is moving at any real speed (especially if that thing at the back is a jet engine!) and I can't for the life of me figure out what the guy at the back is holding onto. The guy pointing, does he think anyone can hear him over the sound of a twin-linked minigun and a jet engine? And just what is the guy hanging on the other side firing. The gun's tied to a backpack... but why?
That and poor Thresher looks like he's desperate to break out of the box.
Hey, that was my first G.I. Joe ever! Somehow, my 6 y. o. self thought strapping a jet engine and two miniguns to half-a-TransAm was a brilliant exercise in vehicular design.
For the record, I don't find the cover GIJoe-ish either. But the perspective is odd and that Ork's face looks... wrong.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: Hey, that was my first G.I. Joe ever! Somehow, my 6 y. o. self thought strapping a jet engine and two miniguns to half-a-TransAm was a brilliant exercise in vehicular design.
Kids aren't weighed down with the pesky concerns of physics which is why G.I. JOE is so awesome. My 6 y.o. self would high five your 6. y.o. self over the car mounted jet engine too.
Like in the animated movie when Chuckles throws one of the H.A.V.O.C.'s missiles at a H.I.S.S. tank and destroys the tank. That is brilliant!
Looks like the Ork Warboss is the large sprue... same size as the Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun... its double the size as the normal single fig clampack ones
I am fairly happy with the boxset, except for its size.
it doesnt have a lot, and it appears that it is reusing regular kits rather than making new ones, characters aside. I wonder if this is a symptom of declining finances.
In any event i have no comments to pass on the Space Wolves, onkly that I wish they were regular marines and am disappointed there are so few.
As for the orks, the declining quantity compred to Black Reach is so noticable, but at least the selection is better.
Kans - I like them, and this is a good way to get more.
Nobs - I dont need more nobs, however its good to see that you get as selection of wargear rather than slugga nobs. a single stormclaw boxset will get you all the nobs you need for your boyz mobs, two sets from swaps may get you spares to swap in and out klaw nobs according to points available.
As for Grots - I would have prefered more orks, but with these starter sets its a matter of what you end up with if you spam them, and several packs of grots wont go amiss. You need about thirty to make good use of heir numbers anyway.
All in all for someone who spammed Black Reach to get his army and topped up with select boxsets this set will offer excellent add ons, for a starter player its far less useful.
Orlanth wrote: I am fairly happy with the boxset, except for its size.
it doesnt have a lot, and it appears that it is reusing regular kits rather than making new ones, characters aside. I wonder if this is a symptom of declining finances.
In any event i have no comments to pass on the Space Wolves, onkly that I wish they were regular marines and am disappointed there are so few.
As for the orks, the declining quantity compred to Black Reach is so noticable, but at least the selection is better.
Kans - I like them, and this is a good way to get more.
Nobs - I dont need more nobs, however its good to see that you get as selection of wargear rather than slugga nobs. a single stormclaw boxset will get you all the nobs you need for your boyz mobs, two sets from swaps may get you spares to swap in and out klaw nobs according to points available.
As for Grots - I would have prefered more orks, but with these starter sets its a matter of what you end up with if you spam them, and several packs of grots wont go amiss. You need about thirty to make good use of heir numbers anyway.
All in all for someone who spammed Black Reach to get his army and topped up with select boxsets this set will offer excellent add ons, for a starter player its far less useful.
as mentioned several times on this thread... this is not a starter set. Dark Vengeance will return, and then be replaced in its turn. THis is the first of a series of special campaign boxes, which will presumably combine stock figures with new special characters.
It also means there will be a lot more mini rulebooks around, which is entirely a good thing.
Aaaaand ordered, came to £66 from Dark Sphere, going to be selling the wolf pack and the terminators at least, probably keeping Krom and definitely keeping all the orkses and the rule book.
I'm waffling on this one. The ork force is thoroughly underwhelming, containing not a single model I actually care about (I play Kult of Speed), but if I get a mini rulebook too? I might still buy it just for that.. I just don't like the whole "while supplies last" high pressure sales pitch.
alienvalentine wrote: I'm waffling on this one. The ork force is thoroughly underwhelming, containing not a single model I actually care about (I play Kult of Speed), but if I get a mini rulebook too? I might still buy it just for that.. I just don't like the whole "while supplies last" high pressure sales pitch.
You could just wait until they release a campaign set that has models you do want. I would assume they will all follow the same structure.
I'll buy the one that Blood Angels appear in myself, if they do of course.
alienvalentine wrote: I'm waffling on this one. The ork force is thoroughly underwhelming, containing not a single model I actually care about (I play Kult of Speed), but if I get a mini rulebook too? I might still buy it just for that.. I just don't like the whole "while supplies last" high pressure sales pitch.
You could just wait until they release a campaign set that has models you do want. I would assume they will all follow the same structure.
I'll buy the one that Blood Angels appear in myself, if they do of course.
True, but I'd have to wait until they released on for my other army, which is vanilla marines. Not sure how long that would be, seeing as how we just got a new codex. I might just buy the set and resell the models I don't want on ebay. I might be able to a least find a use for those nobz...
pretre wrote: The Krom mini is really nice. Looks like it is setup to be good with conversions.
If so, then this is a very good thing. That's how characters should be. Let me have the choice to use extra bits to make him my own Wolf Lord OR Krom Dragongaze.
I love those minis, damn shame though. Was planning to use money to do my chaos army, but now the Wolfies are back and running. I've got about 750 points atm, but with that box, I could easily add another 1000pts.. make Krom a Rune Priest, and get some Lone wolfs and Wolf guard from the termies. And do a small orc army eventually, when i feel like it.
pretre wrote: The Krom mini is really nice. Looks like it is setup to be good with conversions.
If so, then this is a very good thing. That's how characters should be. Let me have the choice to use extra bits to make him my own Wolf Lord OR Krom Dragongaze.
Spoiler:
Yeah, looks like the hand, head, shoulder pad and right arm are all easy swaps.
Pre-ordered two from Dark Sphere, and hopefully getting two from the local GW as well.. one a split box with a work buddy. Should add a nice chunk to my new Goff faction, and help start my eldest lad's Wolf army off.
I've gone for two sets and a battle force of space wolves. I've built and painted the vehicles for them a few years ago but never gotten round to getting the troops for my puppies.
The orks will lose the kans and the rule books, this will hopefully fund the snazzguns I've brought from a bit seller to turn the nobs into flashgitz. Grots will become artillery crew and ammo runts.
Overall I'm actually pleased with the contents, it could be better but as it's full sprues it'll be easier to convert, having converted many boxes of black reach I don't say that lightly.
Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.
I don't get the limited edition stuff, i mean it's obvious that they're trying to push the "get it while it's hot! supplies are limited!" agenda, but that's generally not something you see for commonplace things...
That said though, I am likely going to pick one up. I have considered starting a Space Wolf army for nearly 20 years, now seems like as good a time as any
WayneTheGame wrote: I don't get the limited edition stuff, i mean it's obvious that they're trying to push the "get it while it's hot! supplies are limited!" agenda, but that's generally not something you see for commonplace things...
GW have discovered a way to eek even shorter term profits from their already short-term profit plan.
This is the kind of box that should be sold in toy store chains. Instead GW makes it limited and tells no one outside of an unlisted YouTube video.
I imagine you'll be able to find that campaign booklet on ebay pretty easy. It's a good value set, I'm sure people will be buying dupes, and not many people are going to need more than 1 copy of the campaign booklet.
tldr wrote: Has anyone calculated out if this is a good deal?
It looks like there are a lot of units here that have regular boxes and good poses, and aren't just click together started box quality.
Does the math add up? Is this a good deal for two people starting ork and space wolves armies?
The total cost for all the models included, minus the two special characters is 175 USD on the nose, meaning you save $50 on the purchase price of the models, plus get the mini-rulebook, and the campaign book, and two special characters, for free. It's a heck of a deal.
Ah, my wife was in town today by my FLGS (4th Planet Games in Wrexham) and phoned me up to say "want me to pick anything up from here?" So I've ordered and paid for a set to split with my son. Only 10% off RRP, but it's good to support the local shop...
Glad to see Krom is a multi-part mini -- it'll make the head swap to turn him into Krommetta Dragongaze MUCH easier.
Somewhere around $250 for $125. Even just the minis are 175 so a 30% discount with 2 free characters and 2 free books.
I was figuring the Campaign book being prices $33 like the Apoc supplements and the mini rule book being similar to 6th eds limited mini rulebook around $40. Either way, It's between $250-$300 worth of stuff that you can get for a really good price.
I think I pre-ordered from thewarstore but I'm not sure. Not used to their way of handling things (first time I pre-order gw stuff from them so no idea lol)
Anybody have any idea precisely how limited this set is? In the past with the collector's edition codices they've always told you up front how many were available. The fact that they're not saying makes me kind of suspicious...
My lgs , after saying it wouldn't be a problem, was like "I should" be able to get it. Feth that. Just pre ordered it online. I hate dealing with "should".
Kalashnichris wrote: My lgs , after saying it wouldn't be a problem, was like "I should" be able to get it. Feth that. Just pre ordered it online. I hate dealing with "should".
My issue with this is that then I have to pay %10-20 extra... Ugh
alienvalentine wrote: Anybody have any idea precisely how limited this set is? In the past with the collector's edition codices they've always told you up front how many were available. The fact that they're not saying makes me kind of suspicious...
I suspect it is going to be limited time (six months) rather than limited number.
Seems a really good deal, (well for a gamer, you cant explain why plastic models are £66 to a girl friend ), but I've decided not to get it.
I take so long to do anything I worry these would just be sitting getting dust for a while I work through my boyz squads. Plus I feel I'd be trying just to recoup most of the spend by selling the wolves.
Think I'll sit this one out and pick up the rule book ebay. But fair play to GW, I'd like to see more of this sort of thing.
alienvalentine wrote: Anybody have any idea precisely how limited this set is? In the past with the collector's edition codices they've always told you up front how many were available. The fact that they're not saying makes me kind of suspicious...
I suspect it is going to be limited time (six months) rather than limited number.
Well it says "while stocks last" so I believe it is more likely to be on numbers rather than time. I also rather think it will sell out as it represents a good deal (for GW) with plenty of re-sale value with the two characters.
Anyway, its all speculation.
I weakened and ordered it last night as it fits in with my Wolves expansion plans, the orks might end up as next year's armies on parade entry!
I suspect it is going to be limited time (six months) rather than limited number.
Limited time would make no sense, unless they're planning to dump a heap of excess stock as supposedly happened with Dreadfleet. The word is that it's a single print run.
So... Will the box have the same sprues as the original models? Probably yes.
I got both orks and vanilla SM. can I make the SW to vanilla guys without having to do extensive converting?
Also the battletiles look nice. I really thing that kind of product should be painted though. So boring to paint IMO.
Allot wrote: SoI got both orks and vanilla SM. can I make the SW to vanilla guys without having to do extensive converting?
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Probably not, there's a lot of icons/detail/wolf pelts ect that would need removing, it's far easier to do vanilla to SW than SW to vanilla. However, SW make very nice allies to SM and this set basically has an allied contingent in a box! Add in a pod for the GH and a pod or LR for the Termies and you've got a nice allied force there.
Allot wrote: SoI got both orks and vanilla SM. can I make the SW to vanilla guys without having to do extensive converting?
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Probably not, there's a lot of icons/detail/wolf pelts ect that would need removing, it's far easier to do vanilla to SW than SW to vanilla. However, SW make very nice allies to SM and this set basically has an allied contingent in a box! Add in a pod for the GH and a pod or LR for the Termies and you've got a nice allied force there.
Extensive converting it is....
Some cutting here, glueing something on top there.
Allot wrote: SoI got both orks and vanilla SM. can I make the SW to vanilla guys without having to do extensive converting?
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Probably not, there's a lot of icons/detail/wolf pelts ect that would need removing, it's far easier to do vanilla to SW than SW to vanilla. However, SW make very nice allies to SM and this set basically has an allied contingent in a box! Add in a pod for the GH and a pod or LR for the Termies and you've got a nice allied force there.
Extensive converting it is....
Some cutting here, glueing something on top there.
Allot wrote: SoI got both orks and vanilla SM. can I make the SW to vanilla guys without having to do extensive converting?
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Probably not, there's a lot of icons/detail/wolf pelts ect that would need removing, it's far easier to do vanilla to SW than SW to vanilla. However, SW make very nice allies to SM and this set basically has an allied contingent in a box! Add in a pod for the GH and a pod or LR for the Termies and you've got a nice allied force there.
Extensive converting it is....
Some cutting here, glueing something on top there.
The time it takes you to convert them you could have just worked a job and earn enough money to just buy the vanilla space marines, lol.
Allot wrote: So... Will the box have the same sprues as the original models? Probably yes.
I got both orks and vanilla SM. can I make the SW to vanilla guys without having to do extensive converting?
Also the battletiles look nice. I really thing that kind of product should be painted though. So boring to paint IMO.
Probably not. They are covered with Wolf Pelts, Wolf Teeth, Wolf Tongue Hair gel, Wolf tooth bolters, wolf claws, wolf boots, the great wolf necklaces, wolf wolf Wolfy wolf.
However, depending on the bits you have, you COULD use their legs, arms, shoulder pads. Basically if you have bits of Vanilla torsos but not enough legs (Because thats the currency of GW models) then you could pretty simply convert them with some dangling wolfy bits to easily cut off.
That being said. As a wolf player... why would you ever WANT to do that when you could just play as Wolves.
You're probably right, admittedly I am hoping that this is a change to the rules for frost weapons as I think they were very over priced for what they were before.
Frost axes are currently +2 strength but I put x2 for this one as while its very hard to tell but it did look like x2, and the part just to the right of that showing frost swords definatetly does not look like +1 strength which is what it is currently.
Also Logan Grimnars special frost axe can be x2 strength so its not entirely unheard of.
So have they mentioned if these are single pose snap together models or are they "full" sprues with all the options? Because the Nobs, Gretchin, and Kanz all appear identical to their regular kit versions.
If that's true though, that's a lot of sprues that will be in that box, as I believe the Nob box alone comes with 3.
That said, it would be cheaper for GW and allow them to run it as a limited go without losing too much cash, as they're just reusing the same old sprues and not having to cut a new one just for this set.
MrMoustaffa wrote: So have they mentioned if these are single pose snap together models or are they "full" sprues with all the options? Because the Nobs, Gretchin, and Kanz all appear identical to their regular kit versions.
If that's true though, that's a lot of sprues that will be in that box, as I believe the Nob box alone comes with 3.
That said, it would be cheaper for GW and allow them to run it as a limited go without losing too much cash, as they're just reusing the same old sprues and not having to cut a new one just for this set.
They are the full kits, so it's a gold mine for Bits as much as anything else.
Yeah, maybe not "insulted," but definitely annoyed that it was an unfortunately small print run considering it's more or less functioning as an expensive stop-gap starter set.
Well, that was GW's shot at getting me to get off the fence and start another army, since space wolves have tempted me for a long time.
Yeah, maybe not "insulted," but definitely annoyed that it was an unfortunately small print run considering it's more or less functioning as an expensive stop-gap starter set.
Well, that was GW's shot at getting me to get off the fence and start another army, since space wolves have tempted me for a long time.
I just hope that I can snag one of my game store's 4 copies. I'm really interested in starting the Wolves, and this might be what I need to actually get back into 40k.
Just called my FLGS and reserved a copy. The guy said he was confident he would have a copy for me but was not 100% sure. I don't think he even knew how much copy he would get.
Just sad that I won't be able to order this through Alliance Games to get my comic book shop retailer discount
This is all experimentation for GW. This kind of set is clearly popular (sold out within a day of pre-orders becoming available!), so could really help them turn around their flagging sales. Next time they'll produce twice as many, or half as many again, or something. Can't really blame them for underestimating demand -- I am sure they wish they'd made more.
I don't think I ever been so insulted by a company
You still haven't. But you have demonstrated you have no idea what the word 'insulted' means.
you're totally right, I'm actually french canadian, I just use all these extremely complicated english words without understanding their true meaning :\
Can't believe that the box has sold out already, I imagine a lot of goodwill that GW gained from finally offering a saving has been countered by making it so limited. It's as if they're trying to look like they're offering a deal while at the same time making sure the smallest fraction of the playerbase get the savings.
Given the only new costs are the campaign book (all 32 pages of it) and the box, it seems stupid they aren't selling this more happily. It must make them one hell of a markup.
I'll remind people that the webstore stock of Crusade Of Fire sold out pretty quick too.
That this has sold out as it has doesn't mean that they haven't allocated a huge amount to stores, and that you won't be able to pick one up in 6 months at 50% off with a layer of Finedust™.
I don't anticipate this happening, but nothing precludes that as of this moment.
As of this writing, it's listed as No Longer Available in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US. Still available throughout the EU and the rest of the world. What happened, did we exceed our quotas in the Colonies and the Commonwealth Nations or something?
BigMekGearGrinda wrote: As of this writing, it's listed as No Longer Available in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US. Still available throughout the EU and the rest of the world. What happened, did we exceed our quotas in the Colonies and the Commonwealth Nations or something?
In the US let's go dump some Space Marines into the harbo(u)r, that'll show them Dressing up as Orks optional (please don't forget deodorant)
BigMekGearGrinda wrote: As of this writing, it's listed as No Longer Available in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US. Still available throughout the EU and the rest of the world. What happened, did we exceed our quotas in the Colonies and the Commonwealth Nations or something?
In the US let's go dump some Space Marines into the harbo(u)r, that'll show them Dressing up as Orks optional (please don't forget deodorant)
ROFLMAO! I can see it now, we all fly to Boston and stage the Great Boston Ork Party in Boston Harbour!
Dear forum members, I have this simple question : is there any chance the "regular" models (so NOT speaking of Grukk nor Dragongaze) are different from regular boxes ? I read they will NOT be snap fit but might be "smaller volumes" sprues (no idea what this means).
I am asking because I am just waiting for an order at Wayland Game including Orks Nobz and Killa Kanz boxes. So I am considering cancelling these two and remplace them for the stormclaw box... Seems pretty straight forward but the last thing I want is to loose bitz on these sets...
Also the "limited stock" is an issue because I am struggling on this order for 7 month now (due to totalwargamer for the records)
Well, many thanks if you can help me with my question guys !
Do we still think a new Space Wolves Codex is coming out?
I'm selling the current one on ebay at the moment and I made the point of saying that buyers should be aware that the new edition is rumoured to be released soon.
Despite this, there's a mini bidding war going on and I may end up making a profit (originally bought it at Hobbycraft for £10 during a sale).
I have a box reserved (1st of 8, I think), so I don't have any reason to get up on my high horse, but I am still frustrated with GW's management on this.
Moulds for plastic models can't be cheap (I know they have gotten cheaper), so why not sell more of the characters? If you have people who want to buy something, why not sell it to them? The huge markup on the resale market doesn't help GW any. That's particularly true with this box set, as all the other sprues could simply be boxed and sold as the regular kits, so there's markedly less risk than if you did a huge production run of some special sprue.
Second, it feels like GW would rather pat themselves on the back for selling out of something than sell more of it. Selling out of something doesn't indicate that it is a best seller. It indicates you didn't make enough. They act like sales are fantastic, because they run out of something. If I don't make enough hot dogs, I can run out of them too, even though they are questionable meat tubes on a bun!
It also seems like a total waste of a White Dwarf (hard to imagine, I know). What's the point of featuring something in White Dwarf if it sells out before most people have even gotten the magazine? If someone actually waited until their GW put the WD issue on sale, you'd probably already have lost the opportunity to buy it. I know this happened with the Void Shield Generators as well.
"Here's 20 pages of stuff on something you can't buy! Suck it, fans!"
GW is depending on the leaked images of their magazine to sell the stuff featured in the magazine. What's the benefit of actually producing the magazine at that point?
Ultimately, however, I am just really sad that it's another GW "refuse to sell to our customers" exercise. While all this 'exclusivity' (limited edition, webstore exclusive, Black Library Open Day, Forgeworld Open Day, etc) might increase demand, if that demand can't be satisfied through an actual purchase, it seems pointless. Make cool stuff your customers want to buy (like Grukk Face-rippa) and then sell it to them. Why is this hard?
reluxor wrote: Dear forum members, I have this simple question : is there any chance the "regular" models (so NOT speaking of Grukk nor Dragongaze) are different from regular boxes ? I read they will NOT be snap fit but might be "smaller volumes" sprues (no idea what this means).
I am asking because I am just waiting for an order at Wayland Game including Orks Nobz and Killa Kanz boxes. So I am considering cancelling these two and remplace them for the stormclaw box... Seems pretty straight forward but the last thing I want is to loose bitz on these sets...
Also the "limited stock" is an issue because I am struggling on this order for 7 month now (due to totalwargamer for the records)
Well, many thanks if you can help me with my question guys !
The ONLY difference is that the Space Wolves include a transfer sheet just for Krom Dragongaze's Great Company.
yea i assumed it was limited in the way dreadfleet was limited. But i guess it was a really big discount on the models' msrp so they cant sell it forever.
Hmm, interesting things. First I am surprised it sold out so fast. I too was considering it for my ork army (but was holding back since i don't so the Wolves.)
Second, I think I will also wait and ensure it is really full sprues and not some snap together kit.
Third, I hope GW takes the quick sell out as a sign that people want minis at a lower price. This appears to have been quite a savings, which was further enticing me to get one. I think if GW would actually lower prices, they would sell more. Hopefully this set illustrates that point.
It will be interesting to see the next Campaign set. Orks vs. Cadians would be perfect for me.
Thanks,
Duncan
godswildcard wrote: Geez. I never would've guessed that something like this would have been THIS limited. I had planned on picking one up, but now it's sold out.
Seems kind of ridiculous actually. At least I really didn't miss out on much!
Again. It is most likely only sold out on the website, stores will still have them.
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vadersson wrote: Hmm, interesting things. First I am surprised it sold out so fast. I too was considering it for my ork army (but was holding back since i don't so the Wolves.)
Second, I think I will also wait and ensure it is really full sprues and not some snap together kit.
Third, I hope GW takes the quick sell out as a sign that people want minis at a lower price. This appears to have been quite a savings, which was further enticing me to get one. I think if GW would actually lower prices, they would sell more. Hopefully this set illustrates that point.
It will be interesting to see the next Campaign set. Orks vs. Cadians would be perfect for me.
Thanks,
Duncan
Kanluwen wrote: I'm really hoping that we see a second Sanctus Reach set. I want to see a model of the Cadian Castellan.
Also, not sure if it was mentioned but next week in White Dwarf "Urban Combat" and "Dark Vengeance".
Cadians vs Orks in a Cityfight themed campaign set?
I don't think it would be a campaign set, but I could see book 2 of Sanctus Reach having rules for Cityfight and then a second campaign set of Orks v. Cadians.
Especially because Cadians fortified a lot of Alaric Prime's cities and it would be a really cool thing. Plus, as mentioned, I really want that Castellan.
And worst of all just reinforces the fact that going limited edition is the way to go so this trend will continue, and GW will learn nothing.
What you not happy about Dread Fleet and The Hobbit Limited Edition?
As someone who buys models for the joy of painting them, displaying them and gaming with them, I like my "limited editions" to be less limited than 1 day worth of preorders. I get little to no joy from being able to parade a model I have as something other people don't have simply because they weren't willing to throw money at GW the moment preorders went up.
All of the 40k and WHFB starter boxed sets are limited... they are limited to the edition they were released in. That's about as "limited" as I want it. Any more limited than that really seems to only benefit the ebay resellers.
Regarding Dread Fleet and The Hobbit... well, Dread Fleet I was out of the hobby when that came out so while I saw it, I didn't really pay attention to it. The Hobbit is simply terrible value, I have no idea what numbers they have made of the limited Hobbit set, it's irrelevant when it's such crappy value that no one buys it.
RedFox wrote: you're totally right, I'm actually french canadian, I just use all these extremely complicated english words without understanding their true meaning :\
You can see the sarcasm just dripping off of this post. Nice one!
Kanluwen wrote: I'm really hoping that we see a second Sanctus Reach set. I want to see a model of the Cadian Castellan.
Also, not sure if it was mentioned but next week in White Dwarf "Urban Combat" and "Dark Vengeance".
Well the book + novella are listed as "Sanctus Reach Volume 1", implying that there will be at least a "Volume 2".
why stop at 2, GW just found out how to make expensive DLC. make only 4-5k copies. offer a slight discount, 2 custom figures only in those boX!! + books. every 6 weeks like clockwork release a new one.
You'll note that it's me of all people celebrating this release. This isn't "DLC" like the data-sheets and WD bulls gak is. These are legitimate expansions. This is something GW should have been doing all along, only on a wider non-limited scale.
And slight discount? No... the price on this one is pretty good.
H.B.M.C. wrote: You'll note that it's me of all people celebrating this release. This isn't "DLC" like the data-sheets and WD bulls gak is. These are legitimate expansions. This is something GW should have been doing all along, only on a wider non-limited scale.
And slight discount? No... the price on this one is pretty good.
And they should be doing this every 6 months. I'd say every quarter, actually, but that might be a bit much.
In fact, do a campaign a year, and done in 4 parts, one for each quarter of the year. Develop the story, make the boxed sets relevant to each stage of the campaign, and have a main campaign book and then the boxes contain mini-campaigns.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And they should be doing this every 6 months. I'd say every quarter, actually, but that might be a bit much.
In fact, do a campaign a year, and done in 4 parts, one for each quarter of the year. Develop the story, make the boxed sets relevant to each stage of the campaign, and have a main campaign book and then the boxes contain mini-campaigns.
I would love to see this happen, especially if they keep these kinds of discounts.
I think people on this forum are underestimating the demand. You assume they only made 4-5k, but the demand could have been way higher than expectations because Wolves have been itching for new models and this deal was FANTASTIC.
I don't know if any of you guys played Wood Elves but when they happened, things were selling out before they were released because GW bought into the "no one wants to play wood elves" myth and didn't have the supply to meet the demand. They still aren't back up to speed on Wood Elf stock.
I don't think there is some woah-is-me conspiracy out there to try and screw over the fan base, I think it was simply a rediculously good deal that GW normally doesnt do, at a vary friendly pricepoint ($125 vs. the Christmas saving bundles of like $400) and people jumped on it. I went in yesterday and preordered mine. Just like I did with Wood Elves.
I work in advertising so lets see if I can shed light on this:
Marketing involves finding the sweet spot for a product, and then erring on the side of too little supply vs. too little demand. Fact is, they most likely used current sales figured for Wolves figures with current preorders of Orks to figure out a sweet spot for how to limit this release and have enough to fill demand without ending up having too much supply in their warehouses. Problem is, like the Wood Elves, Wolves are a dated army meaning sales are down for their models, so there are "sleeper buyers" who have full armies painted up that will pounce on a deal like this. Or guys who only buy second hand but can't turn this deal down despite normally not buying direct from GW. This then inflates the buyers for this box, exceeding demand expectations. A lot of factors can result in under-supply, none of which are "Lets pull a fast one on our fanbase just because we're evil"
H.B.M.C. wrote: And they should be doing this every 6 months. I'd say every quarter, actually, but that might be a bit much.
In fact, do a campaign a year, and done in 4 parts, one for each quarter of the year. Develop the story, make the boxed sets relevant to each stage of the campaign, and have a main campaign book and then the boxes contain mini-campaigns.
I drool over this prospect. Uhg and it would get me starting yet ANOTHER army because it would be so exciting to get the boxes just to continue the story.
Seriously, you understand the marketing goldmine that GW has "stumbled upon" I think we can see more of these, and I also think these kind of things can slow down releases and save GW from "buyer fatigue" since they've sped up their army releases.
Wolves and Orks are two armies I don't have. I bought this box. Dunno what I want to do with the Wolves... I'll think'a something, but I've always wanted Orks.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wolves and Orks are two armies I don't have. I bought this box. Dunno what I want to do with the Wolves... I'll think'a something, but I've always wanted Orks.
I guess if ever there was a time to get in to Orks, it would be now.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wolves and Orks are two armies I don't have. I bought this box. Dunno what I want to do with the Wolves... I'll think'a something, but I've always wanted Orks.
Let me know if you feel like selling off Krom
But yeah, I'm happy enough with the boxed set itself... the whole "so limited you needed to preorder it day 1" thing is what makes me unhappy
vadersson wrote: Third, I hope GW takes the quick sell out as a sign that people want minis at a lower price. This appears to have been quite a savings, which was further enticing me to get one. I think if GW would actually lower prices, they would sell more.
But if they sold more then they'd run out of stock and wouldn't have any models to sell anyone! Prices must remain high so that there's enough out there for the people who want them bad enough!
They can't just produce more product when they run out, you know.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: ... the whole "so limited you needed to preorder it day 1" thing is what makes me unhappy
Well yes, I'd agree with that, but that's just a symptom of GW's "one step forward, two to the side, and then a 30 second sprint directly backwards" policy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And they should be doing this every 6 months. I'd say every quarter, actually, but that might be a bit much.
In fact, do a campaign a year, and done in 4 parts, one for each quarter of the year. Develop the story, make the boxed sets relevant to each stage of the campaign, and have a main campaign book and then the boxes contain mini-campaigns.
Hear hear! {Yeah, I think quarterly might be hard on everyone, consumer and manufacturer alike.}
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wolves and Orks are two armies I don't have. I bought this box. Dunno what I want to do with the Wolves... I'll think'a something, but I've always wanted Orks.
You could give them to a friend who has some interest in starting 40k. That's how I got started. I had some vague ideas of starting an IG army because I liked the Praetorians and had picked up some Praetorian Guard Heavy Weapons teams on discount. However, my friend (who I had introduced to mini gaming through WHFB) gave me spare SM stuff (a Land Speeder & 2 Tactical Squads IIRC) so I went Blood Angels instead.
Still have those Praetorian HW teams though, and not planning to sell them. Still like them, although if I ever did Praetorian Guard I'll buy Warlord Games Zulu Wars British Colonial Infantry and just "40k" them. Cheaper than trying to hunt down the real deal. {Also can use them in the VSF skirmish game In Her Majesty's Name.}
H.B.M.C. wrote: And they should be doing this every 6 months. I'd say every quarter, actually, but that might be a bit much.
In fact, do a campaign a year, and done in 4 parts, one for each quarter of the year. Develop the story, make the boxed sets relevant to each stage of the campaign, and have a main campaign book and then the boxes contain mini-campaigns.
Hear hear! {Yeah, I think quarterly might be hard on everyone, consumer and manufacturer alike.}
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wolves and Orks are two armies I don't have. I bought this box. Dunno what I want to do with the Wolves... I'll think'a something, but I've always wanted Orks.
You could give them to a friend who has some interest in starting 40k. That's how I got started. I had some vague ideas of starting an IG army because I liked the Praetorians and had picked up some Praetorian Guard Heavy Weapons teams on discount. However, my friend (who I had introduced to mini gaming through WHFB) gave me spare SM stuff (a Land Speeder & 2 Tactical Squads IIRC) so I went Blood Angels instead.
Still have those Praetorian HW teams though, and not planning to sell them. Still like them, although if I ever did Praetorian Guard I'll buy Warlord Games Zulu Wars British Colonial Infantry and just "40k" them. Cheaper than trying to hunt down the real deal. {Also can use them in the VSF skirmish game In Her Majesty's Name.}
i remember when they came out with that set and honestly one of the things i still kick myself over is not grabbing the praetorians when they did them in '99(or was it 98?)
Ancestral Hamster wrote: Still have those Praetorian HW teams though, and not planning to sell them. Still like them, although if I ever did Praetorian Guard I'll buy Warlord Games Zulu Wars British Colonial Infantry and just "40k" them. Cheaper than trying to hunt down the real deal. {Also can use them in the VSF skirmish game In Her Majesty's Name.}
i remember when they came out with that set and honestly one of the things i still kick myself over is not grabbing the praetorians when they did them in '99(or was it 98?)
*Nod* I could have afforded the limited box set they put out back then, but I did not pull the trigger. So yes, kinda regretful.
Don't remember what year it was either ... It was the year GW did the huge "Massacre at Big Toof River" diorama for Games Day[?]. Since lots of people were interested, GW made the box sets.
"Orks sir! Thousand of them!"
"Right! By platoons, volley fire!"
Edit 1: Found it! "Massacre at Big Toof River" was part of the UK Games Day '97. Seventeen years ago ... wow.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And they should be doing this every 6 months. I'd say every quarter, actually, but that might be a bit much.
In fact, do a campaign a year, and done in 4 parts, one for each quarter of the year. Develop the story, make the boxed sets relevant to each stage of the campaign, and have a main campaign book and then the boxes contain mini-campaigns.
I have a feeling there will be one with every pair of codex releases from now on. Release one codex, release a box set with a huge discount - lets not pretend otherwise, this box represents a massive saving on list- then release the second codex when loads of people already have half an army for it. I can be critical of GW for their actions, but this makes sound business sense.
I'll be buying the first one that features Blood Angels, whatever else is in the box.
I may try and see if the Bowie Bunker or another local shop get an extra in. My friend and I were thinking of doing a assemble+ paint one day and play the next event with this. Since the forces are so reasonably sized it works well.
For those who were concerned about the imbalance of the two factions in the set, White Dwarf addressed that.
There are 3 missions.
The first mission(Green Tide, Grey Fog) starts with just the Grey Hunters against all of the Ork infantry(no Killa Kans).
The second mission(Fortress 26) is all the Wolves against just the Killa Kans(Krumpa's Killa Kans) and Gretchin unit(called Rustgob's Runts) The Killa Kans operate as individual models and both the Killa Kans and Gretchin mob can be 'recycled' into play if the Wolves completely wipe out those units.
The third mission(Gofftown) is everything v. everything and using the formations. Grukk's Rippin' Krew have access to Grukk's tellyporta array which means they can all Deep Strike. Fierce-eye's Finest are an interesting one where once one unit in the formation has shot at or charged an enemy, successive units in the formation who choose the same target re-roll failed attempts to shoot or charge.
Phobos wrote: Ugh. Annoyed I seem to have missed this.
You didnt. Contact your local store or go to frontline.
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Kanluwen wrote: For those who were concerned about the imbalance of the two factions in the set, White Dwarf addressed that.
There are 3 missions.
The first mission(Green Tide, Grey Fog) starts with just the Grey Hunters against all of the Ork infantry(no Killa Kans).
The second mission(Fortress 26) is all the Wolves against just the Killa Kans(Krumpa's Killa Kans) and Gretchin unit(called Rustgob's Runts) The Killa Kans operate as individual models and both the Killa Kans and Gretchin mob can be 'recycled' into play if the Wolves completely wipe out those units.
The third mission(Gofftown) is everything v. everything and using the formations. Grukk's Rippin' Krew have access to Grukk's tellyporta array which means they can all Deep Strike. Fierce-eye's Finest are an interesting one where once one unit in the formation has shot at or charged an enemy, successive units in the formation who choose the same target re-roll failed attempts to shoot or charge.
Holy crud. Are the formations set up for normal 40k?
Kanluwen wrote: For those who were concerned about the imbalance of the two factions in the set, White Dwarf addressed that.
There are 3 missions.
The first mission(Green Tide, Grey Fog) starts with just the Grey Hunters against all of the Ork infantry(no Killa Kans).
The second mission(Fortress 26) is all the Wolves against just the Killa Kans(Krumpa's Killa Kans) and Gretchin unit(called Rustgob's Runts) The Killa Kans operate as individual models and both the Killa Kans and Gretchin mob can be 'recycled' into play if the Wolves completely wipe out those units.
The third mission(Gofftown) is everything v. everything and using the formations. Grukk's Rippin' Krew have access to Grukk's tellyporta array which means they can all Deep Strike. Fierce-eye's Finest are an interesting one where once one unit in the formation has shot at or charged an enemy, successive units in the formation who choose the same target re-roll failed attempts to shoot or charge.
Holy crud. Are the formations set up for normal 40k?
I would assume so?
They probably have a limitation of being unable to take more units etc.
Kanluwen wrote: For those who were concerned about the imbalance of the two factions in the set, White Dwarf addressed that.
So they're like the missions that came with the 2nd Ed boxed set - using part of the force in the box, all set beforehand.
....Which is something I absolutely LOVE. When a box set has pre-set missions that can be played using ONLY the contents of the box, its a winner for me.
Combine that with the fact that you get a great deal on models and two different formations for use other games of 40K, and it looks like GW have it out of the park with this one, at least as far as I'm concerned.
I wasn't being all that negative, at least i didnt mean to be negative. (well the 6 weeks thing was.) 4-5 custom ets a year would be cool. As long as we can also buy the character models outside of the box sets.
pretre wrote: Can to Op or a Mod update the title of the thread since it is definitely not a starter now?
Wait, do we have a definition of a "starter set"? I didn't think GW themselves used that term, I think containing 2 armies, a rulebook and a book to use the models in the set pretty much is what defines a starter set. A self contained game which is the starter for a larger 40k collection.
pretre wrote: Can to Op or a Mod update the title of the thread since it is definitely not a starter now?
Wait, do we have a definition of a "starter set"? I didn't think GW themselves used that term, I think containing 2 armies, a rulebook and a book to use the models in the set pretty much is what defines a starter set. A self contained game which is the starter for a larger 40k collection.
Starter set is a set for people who are starting the game. Includes templates.
pretre wrote: Can to Op or a Mod update the title of the thread since it is definitely not a starter now?
Wait, do we have a definition of a "starter set"? I didn't think GW themselves used that term, I think containing 2 armies, a rulebook and a book to use the models in the set pretty much is what defines a starter set. A self contained game which is the starter for a larger 40k collection.
Actually since this box does not contain templates or measuring sticks it would be a poor starter set. It is not an all you need box.
Edit....it also does not have dice.
So its either not a starter, or a poorly planned one.
Given that DV seems to be coming back next week, I imagine this set is aimed at longer term fans who want to get a copy of the mini rulebook without buying another copy of that set, so it offers them something a little different that coincides with recent codex releases (with SW rumoured to be on the horizon).
vadersson wrote: Third, I hope GW takes the quick sell out as a sign that people want minis at a lower price.
GW knows that people want minis at a lower price.
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SmurfInABlender wrote: I think people on this forum are underestimating the demand. You assume they only made 4-5k, but the demand could have been way higher than expectations because Wolves have been itching for new models and this deal was FANTASTIC.
Wolves players got one new model in this box... A Wolf Lord, on foot - so something that can be easily made anyway from the regular Space Wolves sprue, if you actually need one, which most people won't because Rune Priests and Wolf Priests are better options unless you're taking a Thunderwolf...
I work in advertising so lets see if I can shed light on this:[/b]
You don't need a marketing degree to see that GW don't really understand their customers.
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Red Corsair wrote: Am I the only one who after looking at Gruk Face Rippas sprue, has the incredible urge to put the attack squigs face on Gruks body?
I had the same immediate thought when I saw the sprue
I assume GW want to get people buying this so they will be tempted to start a new army and not just to fuel a secondary market on ebay, so the limited release makes sense to me.
xowainx wrote: Given that DV seems to be coming back next week, I imagine this set is aimed at longer term fans who want to get a copy of the mini rulebook without buying another copy of that set, so it offers them something a little different that coincides with recent codex releases (with SW rumoured to be on the horizon).
Where is it confirmed that DV is coming back? I sure hope so, because starters are important for inducting new players in this expensive hobby.
I'm sure many of us are still waiting to purchase an inexpensive and light rule book rather than the BRB. Updating the old DV with new rule set should be simple and inexpensive.
xowainx wrote: Given that DV seems to be coming back next week, I imagine this set is aimed at longer term fans who want to get a copy of the mini rulebook without buying another copy of that set, so it offers them something a little different that coincides with recent codex releases (with SW rumoured to be on the horizon).
Where is it confirmed that DV is coming back? I sure hope so, because starters are important for inducting new players in this expensive hobby.
I'm sure many of us are still waiting to purchase an inexpensive and light rule book rather than the BRB. Updating the old DV with new rule set should be simple and inexpensive.
White Dwarf of this week puts next week's issue as:
Had one of my Dark Sphere pre-orders get cancelled and refunded today... will see if the other one lasts the week. Hopefully the local GW Manager can get of the other two for me, still happy to buy it at full GW Price if I can get them.
Whumbachumba wrote: Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.
Cool thanks. I know I like the orcs but not really sure about the space wolfs. Are the campaigns in stormclaw meant for single player, coop, or pvp?
The "campaign" in Stormclaw are what I guess you could call "PvP"?
According to White Dwarf it is 3 missions that use different parts of the box at different times, culminating in a final mission that uses everything.
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Whumbachumba wrote: Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.
It is apparently something similar to the Dark Vengeance box, where you have a "small campaign booklet" that walks you through that single set.
Most likely it will be rolled into the second volume of Sanctus Reach.
I wonder how much the Mini dex will go for. Im not going to pay 75 dollars for a book with artwork that's recycled in one, and hobby tips I can get for free online. Also I question its longevity, since they have proved their willingness to abandon ship for more profit so soon into the life of an edition.
Cool thanks. I know I like the orcs but not really sure about the space wolfs. Are the campaigns in stormclaw meant for single player, coop, or pvp?
The "campaign" in Stormclaw are what I guess you could call "PvP"?
According to White Dwarf it is 3 missions that use different parts of the box at different times, culminating in a final mission that uses everything.
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Whumbachumba wrote: Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.
It is apparently something similar to the Dark Vengeance box, where you have a "small campaign booklet" that walks you through that single set.
Most likely it will be rolled into the second volume of Sanctus Reach.
See, that scares me, only because I want to pick up the Sanctus Reach books for the fluff and Imperial stuff, but I don't want to buy them all and then have a "complete edition" come out later for a reduced price.
Also, this IS GW, so it my vary well be that those sheets are gone when the sets are gone.
Orock wrote: I wonder how much the Mini dex will go for. Im not going to pay 75 dollars for a book with artwork that's recycled in one, and hobby tips I can get for free online. Also I question its longevity, since they have proved their willingness to abandon ship for more profit so soon into the life of an edition.
Whumbachumba wrote: Is there anything on the Stormclaw Campaign Book being available separately later? We have a box set ordered, but my dad is wanting a copy of just the campaign book, which currently isn't available on its own.
I spoke to the guy who runs a local GW store on Friday about the new boxset. He told me that this isn't the new starter set, but a boxset to support the new campaign. A new starter set would have things that have already been mentioned such as dice, templates etc. He also said that if it was a new starter set, it wouldn't have a limited run. The way it was explained to me is that this box is try and encourage people into a new army whether they be new to the hobby or existing, by using a campagin to get them more intersted. To back it up, he also said he will still be selling Dark Vengeance alongside this boxset.
If they're re-releasing DV, they're taking their time.
But, 2 boxes on the shelves with the same rules-book, they're going to hold DV back until the Sanctus box is gone.
Skinnereal wrote: If they're re-releasing DV, they're taking their time.
But, 2 boxes on the shelves with the same rules-book, they're going to hold DV back until the Sanctus box is gone.
Skinnereal wrote: If they're re-releasing DV, they're taking their time.
But, 2 boxes on the shelves with the same rules-book, they're going to hold DV back until the Sanctus box is gone.
From what I understood from what I was being told, DV will be replaced with a new starter box later in the year. In my store anyway, DV is still on the shelves even with this new box coming out, as they are considered by GW as different things (one is a starter set, one is a campaign boxset).
Basically this new boxset is GW trying a new(ish) sales angle. By that I mean, if this boxset and campaign release go well, we will see more new campagins with boxset releases in the future.
Skinnereal wrote: If they're re-releasing DV, they're taking their time.
But, 2 boxes on the shelves with the same rules-book, they're going to hold DV back until the Sanctus box is gone.
Or they are right on time, since the Starter usually appears months after the new edition.
Well it's still available on the UK site, so either they drastically over-allocated us compared to the USA, or I'm going to get a platitudinous email later in the week offering me my money back(at least it better offer me my money back, they can take a long walk off a short pier if they think I'll accept store credit).
If they keep this up I'll have to dial my cynicism about GW back from 11 to 10; obviously having deals like this available perpetually on a rotation every few months would be better than a limited splash-release, but by my reckoning this boxed set is essentially a BOGOF offer, and I never thought we'd see discounts like this again after Island of Blood.
26th July Dark Vengance is coming back. All same old models are back plus an Aspiring Champion. As you can predict, new rulebook is there - soft cover.
Realm of Battle: Sector Imperialis - new 40k only plastic table, similar to the existing one which can be used for both systems.
Imperialis Basing Kit – 25 base clipons to match the new table.
Badrukk’s Flash Gitz –1x Kaptin Badrukk, 10x Flash Gitz, 6x Ammo Grots). Four of the six grots are brand new models.
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angelofvengeance wrote: Cheers for this pretre- I'll be interested to see if they throw in the current Aspiring Champion model or a brand new shiny one with DV
So a "source" with access to a WD and a camera carefully only photographs the top quarter of the cover? You can tell me what you want, these MUST be intentional leaks...or Dark Eldars are behind this and revel in our frustration
angelofvengeance wrote: Cheers for this pretre- I'll be interested to see if they throw in the current Aspiring Champion model or a brand new shiny one with DV
So a "source" with access to a WD and a camera carefully only photographs the top quarter of the cover? You can tell me what you want, these MUST be intentional leaks...or Dark Eldars are behind this and revel in our frustration
That's the part at the end of the WD that 'previews' next week. Not the one with DV in it.
angelofvengeance wrote: Cheers for this pretre- I'll be interested to see if they throw in the current Aspiring Champion model or a brand new shiny one with DV
There has been nothing to suggest the contents of Dark Vengeance are changing.
If anything you might see accompanying plastic boxed sets of Chosen/Cultists, but that might be all.
I just bought a Realm of Battle a month ago, I'm regretting my decision right now. I guess I will have to make up an excuse on why I need two of these hahaha
26th July Dark Vengance is coming back. All same old models are back plus an Aspiring Champion. As you can predict, new rulebook is there - soft cover.
Realm of Battle: Sector Imperialis - new 40k only plastic table, similar to the existing one which can be used for both systems.
Imperialis Basing Kit – 25 base clipons to match the new table.
Badrukk’s Flash Gitz –1x Kaptin Badrukk, 10x Flash Gitz, 6x Ammo Grots). Four of the six grots are brand new models.
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Sucks we have to wait at least another week to see if a new SW codex drops. The anticipation is killing me.
ashikenshin wrote: I just bought a Realm of Battle a month ago, I'm regretting my decision right now. I guess I will have to make up an excuse on why I need two of these hahaha
Don't regret too fast, I don't think we know if it's a complete board or just a few panels to mix with the other ones.
I'm really happy about this, i've been waiting too long for these.
So far we have seen 2 different panels? The first leak, and then this one with the imperial eagles, correct?
angelofvengeance wrote: Cheers for this pretre- I'll be interested to see if they throw in the current Aspiring Champion model or a brand new shiny one with DV
So a "source" with access to a WD and a camera carefully only photographs the top quarter of the cover? You can tell me what you want, these MUST be intentional leaks...or Dark Eldars are behind this and revel in our frustration
That's the part at the end of the WD that 'previews' next week. Not the one with DV in it.
The epub Version doesnt have this
The New cover shows the DV chosen+plastic champion, so thats probably whats in the New box
My apologies for not reading all 29 pages, but I've got 2 questions.
1) Has it been determined if the mini-dex in the starter box is a full rulebook or if it is missing any significant sections?
2) I'm unclear regarding the new starterbox policy. Is this THE 7th edition starterbox or just the first of several starterboxes that will be released, each with a different set of forces inside?
Eilif wrote: My apologies for not reading all 29 pages, but I've got 2 questions.
1) Has it been determined if the mini-dex in the starter box is a full rulebook or if it is missing any significant sections?
2) I'm unclear regarding the new starterbox policy. Is this THE 7th edition starterbox or just the first of several starterboxes that will be released, each with a different set of forces inside?
Eilif wrote: My apologies for not reading all 29 pages, but I've got 2 questions.
1) Has it been determined if the mini-dex in the starter box is a full rulebook or if it is missing any significant sections?
2) I'm unclear regarding the new starterbox policy. Is this THE 7th edition starterbox or just the first of several starterboxes that will be released, each with a different set of forces inside?
It's not a starter box.
At this point when I see this quote, I picture Arnold Schwarzenegger yelling it.
Kanluwen wrote:There are 3 missions.
The first mission(Green Tide, Grey Fog) starts with just the Grey Hunters against all of the Ork infantry(no Killa Kans).
The second mission(Fortress 26) is all the Wolves against just the Killa Kans(Krumpa's Killa Kans) and Gretchin unit(called Rustgob's Runts) The Killa Kans operate as individual models and both the Killa Kans and Gretchin mob can be 'recycled' into play if the Wolves completely wipe out those units.
The third mission(Gofftown) is everything v. everything and using the formations. Grukk's Rippin' Krew have access to Grukk's tellyporta array which means they can all Deep Strike. Fierce-eye's Finest are an interesting one where once one unit in the formation has shot at or charged an enemy, successive units in the formation who choose the same target re-roll failed attempts to shoot or charge.
In the past when box sets contained mini-campaign booklets that allowed you to use the contents of the box without first having to get the larger game, they were rarely, if ever, played. They were seen as not being the real game. As being a waste of time or for kiddies or whatever.
I think they really should take centre stage more. And big 100 model armies with foot high centrepiece kits should take the back seat more. The three SR campaigns sound like a lot of fun and hopefully people will give them an honest go and then build from there, trying out different things and largely ignore the "build a 2000 point army" treadmill. I think there's a lot of potential for lower model count scenarios with 40k and hopefully the people who managed to preorder these boxes will take the time to enjoy their full potential.
Or the scenarios will turn out to be badly thought out, not really that deep or fun and the bias against them will be proven to be justified.
Eilif wrote: My apologies for not reading all 29 pages, but I've got 2 questions.
1) Has it been determined if the mini-dex in the starter box is a full rulebook or if it is missing any significant sections?
2) I'm unclear regarding the new starterbox policy. Is this THE 7th edition starterbox or just the first of several starterboxes that will be released, each with a different set of forces inside?
It's not a starter box.
At this point when I see this quote, I picture Arnold Schwarzenegger yelling it.
I'll add something a bit more thought provoking then.
Judging by the two armies in this set. Since Orks came out the most recently and Space Wolves are judged to be next, could this be a new oncoming trend? Like say for example, Blood Angels came out next followed by Dark Eldar, does anyone else think the next campaign series would be of those two armies?
Badrukk’s Flash Gitz –1x Kaptin Badrukk, 10x Flash Gitz, 6x Ammo Grots). Four of the six grots are brand new models.
I want this box set to be a thing so so so so badly. My current goal for my army is a Mek's Workshop with a detachment of Freebootas, and if they do a boxed set (meaning it should have a discount built into the basic price) that is available at normal stores (meaning I can get it for 20% off the normal price) I will cry tears of looting, plundering joy..
Judging by the two armies in this set. Since Orks came out the most recently and Space Wolves are judged to be next, could this be a new oncoming trend? Like say for example, Blood Angels came out next followed by Dark Eldar, does anyone else think the next campaign series would be of those two armies?
Judging by the two armies in this set. Since Orks came out the most recently and Space Wolves are judged to be next, could this be a new oncoming trend? Like say for example, Blood Angels came out next followed by Dark Eldar, does anyone else think the next campaign series would be of those two armies?
That would be awesome.
Yeah, that would be pretty great. A taster of the next army with the current army, good price point, encourage people to start the new army when it comes out.
I am certain that this won't happen, but wouldn't it be cool if the new Dark Vengeance had entirely new models?
Since 95% of the models in the old kit are to this day exclusive to that kit, it's not going to happen, but hey! What if they revamped it to coincide with new plastic Fiends of Slaanesh or something.
Quarterdime wrote: I am certain that this won't happen, but wouldn't it be cool if the new Dark Vengeance had entirely new models?
Since 95% of the models in the old kit are to this day exclusive to that kit, it's not going to happen, but hey! What if they revamped it to coincide with new plastic Fiends of Slaanesh or something.
I was under the impression that they are including a new chaos model - or was that in the other thread?
Edit: nope - go back one page and read it. New Aspiring Champion.
Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this.........
And totally redeem yourself ! ! !
Looks like Games Workshop have finally found a decent strategy. Give the customer a great value product, possibly make a bit of money and give people a cheaper alternative to both enter the hobby/keep up to date with the new rules.
Orrus wrote: Looks like Games Workshop have finally found a decent strategy. Give the customer a great value product, possibly make a bit of money and give people a cheaper alternative to both enter the hobby/keep up to date with the new rules.
That might be a winning strategy if the box were available. Outside of those shipped to stockists, it's already sold out. Not being available is a pretty big barrier to entry.
My FLGS ordered late, and was still able to order 6... 3 of which are pre-orders (including mine). They will have three on the shelves on Saturday though. I expect a lot of shops will have a few for sale.
yeah, my Flgs is Dark Sphere and I've ordered two, for the mini rule books. Dark Spher have closed preorders untill they know how many they actually get from GW. I expect most FLGs and GW stores will have a bunch to sell come Saturday. and probably have a second wave like they did the datacards.
The always make it difficult to get the mini rule book! I didn't really want or need the models but its such a good deal I'll find a use! I have a 1500pt grey hunter army thats built but awaiting paint the Space wolf models will boost that armies core. The extra 6 Kans will bring me up to 18 Kans in my grot army.
The face ripper character, Nobs and grots I have zero use for so will find a home for those in a friends army.
Sidstyler wrote: Yeah, swing and a miss. Except for the few who got one that weren't eBay resellers, I'm sure they're probably happy.
It's still available for preorder on the UK webstore, so this looks a bit more like GW cocked up the allocation by over/under estimating the demand in each region than it being a super-limited product in general. It would still be better if it just wasn't limited at all of course, but this seems more "new Tau" than "Void shield generator".
Honestly if they insist on keeping up all this "ERMAGERD super-special-ultra-limited-collector edition!" crap, they could at least make it a time-limited thing rather than a preset number. Manufacture however much stock they're "comfortable" with on top of their store allocation, and stick a disclaimer on the preorder page stating that if demand exceeds existing stock it may take up to X-weeks to deliver, on a first-come first-serve basis. Since preorders are only open for a week now anyway doing deals on such a basis is hardly going to bankrupt them, but it does ensure they get maximum sales with minimum exposure and avoids pissing off potential customers. It has the added benefit of cacking all over the reselling vultures, which would be reason enough on its own IMO.
Despite not really needing anything in the box except the Warboss and maybe the Grots, I ended up preordering anyway. With the discount, it makes a lot more sense to buy it and sell off the components than trying to get just the Warboss from eBay fleecers.
Wow, I actually bought this from GW. I can't believe it sold out so fast. I had actually considered calling them about changing my mind and asking to cancel it, but now I guess I will be happy to have it for now.
Truthfully, I dont play many 40k games, and when I do, its mostly with friends where I am supplying most of the models. I build from what comes in the box sets, with a couple of extra models or units. Maybe around 600 points I guess? I like variety, so dont want to sink a ton of money into a single army.
So with my old 3rd set (yes I still have it) I build the Black Templars and Dark Eldar, with DV I got Dark Angels and Chaos Marines, and have plans to build comparable Ultramarine and Ork forces. Not much of either but a start.
So looking at this set, with the new rulebook, and most importantly, the battle scenarios, I figured it would be cool to start a Space Wolf army, something I have never been interested in. I like the Ork Killa Kans and actually would like to replace my old metal ones with plastic ones, so this works. The only thing I am not crazy about are the Grotz, but whatever maybe they will offer some comedy.
I dont know anything about this campaign that is going on, I dont read enough into the 40k fluff, but this set is a win for me. Turthfully, I would love to see GW do several of these. I might buy all of them regardless whats included now.
7th really seems about lots of limited editions. I think its probably working for them. If they do the math thinking, "Its going to cost this much to make, and we'll make this much selling it, we'll have x in profits and no backstock, and can move on to doing something else."
Not really the business model I would like, but if it encourages GW to do more of these, then awesome. I really like scenerios that revolve around a theme like what was done in DV, and really hopes this continues.
But I am not a power gamer like most of you guys. You would prob look at my little armies and be like, "where's the rest of it?".
So looking at this set, with the new rulebook, and most importantly, the battle scenarios, I figured it would be cool to start a Space Wolf army, something I have never been interested in. I like the Ork Killa Kans and actually would like to replace my old metal ones with plastic ones, so this works. The only thing I am not crazy about are the Grotz, but whatever maybe they will offer some comedy.
Hey, you could always grab some tool bits and make 3 Grot Riggers for the Kans, 5 Ammo Runs for the Nobs, and 1 Ammo runt for the Warboss. A kombi-rokkit nob with a reroll is a nasty surprise for a power-armored git like a Space Wolf.
KTG17 wrote: But I am not a power gamer like most of you guys.
Oh dear...
Let him live, in this case I think it's genuine naivete rather than an attempt to needle anyone.
@KTG17
You'll find many of us old campaigners (and HBMC, who's like, really old ) aren't power gamers in the least, but as models don't tend to deteriorate with age, some of us do have pretty substantial resources to call upon, it is important to realise they aren't one and the same.
pretre wrote: DV is confirmed in H.B.M.C.'s RoB thread.
It's up for order for me on Monday. Same set with an updated rulebook and the plastic chaos champion who gets a name and new rules, price jacked up slightly. New box art, which was very much needed
In the US, Stormclaw was allocated by how much business a store does with GW. Small store gets a couple, Big stores get a couple dozen. Obviously, they didn't judge the popularity of the set, based on allocations and sell out on the website.
mikhaila wrote: In the US, Stormclaw was allocated by how much business a store does with GW. Small store gets a couple, Big stores get a couple dozen. Obviously, they didn't judge the popularity of the set, based on allocations and sell out on the website.
KTG17 wrote: But I am not a power gamer like most of you guys.
Oh dear...
Let him live, in this case I think it's genuine naivete rather than an attempt to needle anyone.
@KTG17
You'll find many of us old campaigners (and HBMC, who's like, really old ) aren't power gamers in the least, but as models don't tend to deteriorate with age, some of us do have pretty substantial resources to call upon, it is important to realise they aren't one and the same.
Yeah I didnt mean any offense to anyone, even those who are, and those who are offended, I just have to laugh. Based on what I cap for myself, would probably be peanuts compared to what most of you would consider playable, nor do I get into situations where I find any one particular army or unit really broken. There's a few rules here and there I hate, but I couldnt tell you why playing a Riptide was unpopular, let alone more, in any game because. I would never play one in a game, nor have a sizable army to face one, let alone bother buying one to build. And that goes with anything bigger than a Land Raider. So to me, you take it above a level where I am at, whereas I suspect you guys think a power gamer is something that would have more. Knights, Baneblades, crazy stuff I cant justify being on a 6 by 4 foot table. Not being critical at all, I think what you guys typically debate is pretty interesting, and so far beyond my realm.
I am just trying to state that my limit size to the armies I play tend to be set by mostly comes in the starter sets, plus a few more options, so a set like this will prob do more for me than the average player, who I suspect would add a whole lot more before thinking it was playable.
Sometimes we like them just 'cause we like the models. I mean, I own 7 Baneblade-based vehicles (3 Baneblades, 1 Hellhammer, 1 Stormblade, 2 Shadowswords) not because of their power but just I think they're cool models.
They are spectacular models. For all the flak GW gets they do put out brilliant kits.
Well I have a Dark Angel army made up of only what came in the DV limited edition set, so compare that to what you just listed. Maybe I should have said more hardcore rather than power.
But I do have three Baneblades too. In epic. Lol. :/
I wonder.
The sanctus reach box has all the rules and stats to play the models included. Even wargear and stats exclusive to SW.
Now, if SW is getting a new codex soon, the rules in the box might be uppdated for the new codex?
It would be very interesting to get a heads up how grey hunters get nerfed, if wolfguard still can break of as unit leaders, if blood claws still kind of sucks, etc.
I cant make out from the white dwarf teaser if any wargear rules is changed.
Knowing GW, they'll probably be the same rules as is in the current SW book, then just update them all together with the new codex instead of releasing the rules earlier than the codex.
My Sanctus Reach book arrived. It's a very nice book. It's like GW aping the stuff that Forge World does, only without the polish. Nevertheless, I like it quite a bit. More of that please.
Whumbachumba wrote: Knowing GW, they'll probably be the same rules as is in the current SW book, then just update them all together with the new codex instead of releasing the rules earlier than the codex.
And either put out a "Sanctus Reach" DLC download formation thingy for the box's contents or, worse, make them a WD exclusive DLC pack.
How much do people think is a fair UK price for the rulebook, characters and Kanz? I have two copies coming and no interest in the rule books as I prefer my big rule book, I only need one set of the characters and no interest in the Kanz as I already have twelve of them?
I find it a little disappointing that the Space Wolf Battleforce seems to have been removed for when this new campaign set has come out as it seems a natural fit to expand on the puppies. I'm lucky that my FLGS had a battleforce in stock so I've been able to pick one up.
Looky Likey wrote: How much do people think is a fair UK price for the rulebook, characters and Kanz? I have two copies coming and no interest in the rule books as I prefer my big rule book, I only need one set of the characters and no interest in the Kanz as I already have twelve of them?
If you're eBaying, split them up, you'll definitely get more.
You can also offer swapsies on here... we'll be offering up some SW Terminators, as we need more Kans!
(I own about 15 captains, 6 Librarians, 5 Chaplains and a lot of Special Characters... I don't have a kitbashing addiction 
)
Hopefully they will do something like that. Maybe it can have a Rune Priest since the campaign box comes with a Lord.
I can see it now, we all fly to Boston and stage the Great Boston Ork Party in Boston Harbour!
