Thanks all for the feedback, it's highly appreciated.
Got some interesting news from our lawyer today concerning the "nude" versions according to local laws!
We will have final confirmation from the firm by Monday and update everyone interested on the matter...
Got some interesting news from our lawyer today concerning the "nude" versions according to local laws!
We will have final confirmation from the firm by Monday and update everyone interested on the matter...
I am really curious what your lawyer said and what kind of "issues" some nude plastic models may rise
I really don't see any country that would have laws against "nude" miniatures. I too would be interested to hear what kind of "issues" nude plastic miniatures would lead to.
Received a small order I placed today and was surprised that the quality was better than looked on the pictures. Makes me look forward to my pledge being received. On the shieldmaidens, I would take chainmail or unarmored, but would not buy revealing. (not that I am prude but only buy nude models where they make sense to me, i.e. a nymph, succubus, harlot, ect..). Plate mail armor would not interest me since I don't see barbarians as having platemail.
Hey, what's up? :-D
We have plenty of stuff to show and tell you, so let's get started!
Work In Progress (WiP)
We start off with the ladies of the North due to popular demand and messages we receive! We are very happy to announce that the 2-headed Dragon is even more beautiful than we had initially hoped for, and that's because the 28mm scale has been already printed and in our hands!
This is a very rough assembly (without any glue, just fitting the printed parts/masters together) it's already in our laboratory in line for his (hers?) moulds :-)
A lady has also shown up, I'm pretty sure many of you remember her, it's still WiP as you can see but the sculptor has promised to have it finished before the end of next month (May), so we are very much looking forward to receiving this lovely miniature.
This beast of the greenskins is evolving very nicely and we are very proud of what we believe a stunning miniature both in concept and execution. The flying creature might have broken something it was... playing with!
Do you wish to tell it to behave? :-)
We have assigned a number of miniatures to Davide Tedeschi in order to have a complete army by the end of the year, so some additional work was put to secure coeherance of the miniatures. All the skeletons have been done however and we expect the details to make these "gentlemen" shine. In their own way I mean :-)
By the end of next month, the Firebreathers Unit will have been completed, along with the characters funded in this Campaign.
What we consider the most detailed lions ever sculpted in this scale, we have almost finished with them (by the end of next week all details will have been put) and we commence sculpting the riders and Command bits we promised.
We just love the hair and amazing detail Paolo is putting into this, we can't wait to get these in our hands and start painting them! We hope you like them as much as we do.
Minor Issues
We have had 3 issues we have dealt with or are still resolving.
1. We messed up and overlooked two parcels that should have been sent in the Early Wave, instead we had kept their stuff on the "regular" list. Both parcels have now been sent however (one to the UK and another to the USA), we are pretty sure that by the end of next week both backers will have received their early rewards.
2. 54mm scale is proving a tad more difficult due to it's size, in theory it's easily manufactured -since it is in 3D and we should be able to get any size we ask for-, but apparently it's more complicated than that. We are trying to solve this and have already made contact with another two 3D printing companies (one domestic and one abroad) in order to print this without losing any detail. If for any reason we find that the result is not the one we promised to deliver, we will contact you to either switch your reward selection or refund you -fees included. We are optimistic we will find a solution, we have two guys from our Team working on this issue.
3. The poll we had set up for the Shieldmaiden version -and we thank everyone for casting their vote- seems to have been tamprered with. The results till 18th of April showed a clear lead of the chainmail version (47%) compared to the other three (nude and plate version had around 17-21%, while unarmored was around 15% ).
For those who have followed it -or seen our perplessity posted over at Dakka and Reaper forums- a very strange turn over came some 4 days later, where the nude (revealing) version took a surprising lead 38% compared to a 37% of the chainmail version!
Thanks to the Community's contribution *thumbs up* there seems to be an easy way to tamper with the results, therefore casting multiple votes from the same computer and rig the final outcome :-(
We cannot comprehend why on earth a person would do that, thing is we were totally unconvinced the results as they stand now were true.
The answer came from our Law firm, when Dimitrios Spyropoulos (the lawyer assigned to us) warned us that our licence is for "Toys, reccomended ages 12+" therefore producing miniatures with nudity (let alone showing painted pictures of those on the box covers) would easily cause us issues, the firm would not be liable for.
These 2 factors have resulted in taking this final decision:
First kit will be Chainmail version.
Second kit will be Unarmored (non-revealing) version.
The sculptor has already been contacted and we are discussing how to proceed with the 3ups. Some of you may not like this verdict, but we had stated that a decision will be taken by the end of the month, and in Greece it's currently 22.58', so just another hour before we greet May :-)
We hope you will still like what we are preparing for KS2, we will keep you updated.
Thanks for reading, as always any comments/questions/suggestions are more than welcome!
(Next update to be expected by the end of May)
Received my early wave shipment from this KS today! Very, very pleased with the minis; they are really nicely cast, the resin is crisp and looks to be basically free of mould lines (I got a bunch of orcs, the four Djinn, and the Ancient Guardians). And the plastic orcs were a very good deal, they look pretty awesome too. Now I'm looking forward to those ogres!
Indeed no scales, it would ruin the concept, their skin has been textured however so it would be easy to imagine it thick and hard to pierce.
We claim no innovation there, hehehe, there's others having done that before us :-)
As for the lions thanks, we are just finishing their Command bits, here's a glimpse of the banner.
Next update (due end of the month) should have all 4 of them complete, mailed to us to make their molds and put them in production line.
We also need to mail a couple to the winners of a couple of raffles we did during the campaign. We plan to do the same again for KS-2.
The head isn't the only thing that you will like on this model :-)
Whatsmore, we took additional care to make assembly easy, the only issue we weren't able to resolve -although we were on it for more than a week!- is making the body hollow without compromising the detail. Therefore to our dissapointment the main part will come integral -i.e. single piece.
This is the belly of the great northern beast, we have promised detailed pics to our backers on the next update...
Just dropping some Siberias Lion riders shots... :-)
It has taken us many months, from initial concept till realization, still have work to do in order to deliver these and make them available via retail.
And for the Orcs what we consider the best Wyvern in 28mm scale!
It is almost complete! :-)
We have been doing some hard work and laying low... but now we are almost ready to release our draft 1.a and we need some assistance, so even if we have already gathered a number of volunteers to test it out, we can never say no to some more! :-)
If you're interested, shoot us an email! :-)
OK, it's 05:11 a.m. here, we finally emailed the last of our playtesters!
Playtesting group is now officially closed and we are waiting for the precious feedback in order to move things forward by Autumn this year.
Thank you all for your support, it means a lot (going to bed now)
"Attachment-1" has been delayed due to recent breaking news in hellenic everyday life. :-(
We will be posting it to everyone involved within the next few days.
Hi all!
Yet another beautiful miniature has been completed and currently flying over the Adriatic Sea set for our HQ, while preparations for our next KS are moving on regardless of current events that trouble our everyday life.
Anywayz, thought I'd share it here :-)
So, behold the Valley Orc Shaman
here is a more detailed view
and it can be seen/used semi-nude
or with a cape for stylish purposes!
We deliberately avoided added bunch of stuff on the cape in order to make it different from our Mountain Orc Shaman model and also allow freehands to those who are up to it!
Next update here on Dakka will have to do with the game and the plastics.
Cheers!
We have our hands full atm and everything flowing perfectly :-) ... then this happens :-/
Not only it has stalled completing our KS-1 (although we still believe we will definitely deliver earlier than promised, simply not super-fast as we had foreseen and had been going), the timing is absolutely horrible also in occasion to the augmented enthusiasm due to the long-awaited launch of playtesting our game :-(
@Mymearan
Thanks mate :-)
@RoninXiC
There are no hard feelings against the German finance minister, at least not from my side. I'm a person who first points his finger to himself, then to others. And in my humble opinion Greeks have plenty of self-pointing to do.
What I do believe however is that a true "United Europe" aka European Union, has gone one step backward. Maybe even two... :-/
Anyway, I've said mine at the Off-Topic thread, I believe some people there have made some very fine points too.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/654078.page
Love the look of that orc shaman. While the pose looks a bit awkward for a game, it looks great as an individual miniature. Some of the muscles look a bit wierd, though, especially around the ribcage. But great work, nonetheless.
After I get settled into my new place, I will be putting together an order. I wasn't sure about you guys when all we had to look at were the freaky looking orcs (they've grown on me too) but the genies, ancient ones, crazy wolf things, and a lot more of your figures are really interesting and not badly priced at all. One thing I am curious about. I want to have some Games Workshop Space Marines riding some of those lions for counts as.. space wolf dudes on wolves (?) Do you happen to know if any of the different Space Marine legs out there will fit?
EDIT: I just read the update on your kickstarter.. WOW.. you guys are in a really tough spot. Best wishes. It's great that you are keeping open communications during the crisis, a lot of other projects choose to go quiet instead.
howie wrote: Absolutely kicking myself for not ordering one or two of those mammoths!! Is there a way I could pledge for them now?
They look fantastic so far!
Oh well least I've got 20+ ogres and some Arave charachters to look forward to.
Keep up the fantastic work. I can't wait to get my mits on these miniatures.
Regards,
Howie.
Thanks Howie, it's great when people openly encourage us and I'm more than sure you'll be pleased when they arrive to you.
It's imperative for us to do a good job. We love what we are doing and we mean to grow both faster and a lot. A whole lot more.
We are in open communications for "War is Coming" also -which is very time and effort consuming-, to our surprise some sites have failed to understand(?) that there is a also a game behind this, one we have announced and been working on for years. Hopefully they will acknowledge this and inform their readers. It's free. It's for everyone. It will be supported for many years to come. And -apart the help from the playetsters who are ALL volunteers- it has been financed completely by us.
MLaw wrote: After I get settled into my new place, I will be putting together an order. I wasn't sure about you guys when all we had to look at were the freaky looking orcs (they've grown on me too) but the genies, ancient ones, crazy wolf things, and a lot more of your figures are really interesting and not badly priced at all. One thing I am curious about. I want to have some Games Workshop Space Marines riding some of those lions for counts as.. space wolf dudes on wolves (?) Do you happen to know if any of the different Space Marine legs out there will fit?
EDIT: I just read the update on your kickstarter.. WOW.. you guys are in a really tough spot. Best wishes. It's great that you are keeping open communications during the crisis, a lot of other projects choose to go quiet instead.
No. You will not. You will wait for our KS-2 where you will see some stupendous value-for-money. The boxed set game alone is something like 90+ minis for 100$. Hard plastic and resin. Plus access to free stretch goals and 'enhanced' PDF rules. Just sayin'... ;-)
I'll have to check on that and get back to you.
Thank you but that is not our modus operandi; quite the opposite, it is in abnormal times that communication must be not only supported but enhanced. That includes also what is not visible, i.e. all emails and pm's in both our FB and KS pages.
The KS2 sounds promising. Are you saying that individual orders prior to that cannot be filled though?
I am looking for really specific models for roleplaying games like the wolves (just the wolves by themselves), Ancient Ones, and the Genies (looooove your genie models).
I'm open to more models but I have a LOT already so going in big on a kickstarter would mean the models would have to be non-traditional. I have a lot of all of the basics like Ogres, Orcs, lizardmen, humans, elves, etc etc (basically reaper bones + a bunch of GW and dungeons and dragons minis). Do you know when you plan on doing the Kickstarter?
I definitely want to know about the lions. I had given up on that project but if your lions work, I can get back to work on that army
Micky wrote: Will you be able to throw out the playtest rules to us KS backers?
By the time KS-2 is launched, the game will have been already tested and made available. We have formed a wonderful playtest Team with playgroups from all over the world (Canada, Germany, New Zealand, UK and Sweden have been especially supportive, but we also have volunteers for the US, Australia, Denmark, France, Thailand and many more) and we are already receiving feedback on magic banners costs, troops costs and statistics etc.
One of the key game mechanics is still being tampered with, it makes the game really quick but must be tweaked a bit, we are working with our playtesters atm on that.
And we are still expecting feedback from around half the other playtesters, the first deadline is end of July, so plenty to work on still. The first draft was IIRC 106 pages, and we have already sent out an additional 1st fix/FAQ of another 10 or so.
The rules will be made available for everyone and for free. No fragments, test samples etc. ALL free and supported/updated by us for many years to come. Now, if someone is a backer or should we be able to print that in hardback, a whole lot more of artwork and fluff will be made available to those who actually show us their direct support. That does not mean you will have to pay for them at some point down the line. If you want the rules, download and read. It's that simple. :-)
MLaw wrote: The KS2 sounds promising. Are you saying that individual orders prior to that cannot be filled though?
Negative. We still ship on a daily basis, but if someone wants to go big but can wait for another year, we council him to hold on to what we consider way more profitable for both parties.
I'm open to more models but I have a LOT already so going in big on a kickstarter would mean the models would have to be non-traditional. I have a lot of all of the basics like Ogres, Orcs, lizardmen, humans, elves, etc etc (basically reaper bones + a bunch of GW and dungeons and dragons minis). Do you know when you plan on doing the Kickstarter?
We learned a lot on our first Kickstarter, there is no substitute for experience. Shieldmaiden plastics will pitch the KS-2, as a lot more plastics will be pumped up this time instead of supplying literally everything.
Non-traditional? Lol. KS-2 will feature a starter set of two armies. What you will see in for the Shieldmaidens is anything but traditional. On the contrary the right word is "unique". You can quote me on that in a few months time ;-)
KS-2 is due end of the year. We said we will be doing one KS at a time, no other project will be launched if the one prior one has not been 100% fulfilled. Ad we intend to stick to that Policy.
I definitely want to know about the lions. I had given up on that project but if your lions work, I can get back to work on that army
I have asked a friend at an FLGS to send me one. I'll take a couple of shots and let you know as soon as I have it in my hands, you'll judge for yourself.
Cheers!
Production is going steady -despite recent events- and we still believe we will deliver earlier than promised.
The game is also being playtested and tweaked, some very encouraging & interesting feedback, we are hoping in an amazing KS-2!
In the meanwhile I'll just leave these pictures here, probably the most detailed fantasy mammoth worldwide. At our KS-1, people bought it for 60$! (howdah version was 75$) o_o
It will be again available in a discounted price via our KS-2 for those who can wait however
These are production shots showing pins for easy assembly, carefully inspected for quality purposes. When this beauty along with others from the kickstarter goes available via retail (because it must first be delivered to our KS backers as promised), reasons for it going unchallenged will become more obvious
Besides the Wyvern, Mammoth, twin headed dragon etc, another amazing set that came out of our KS-1 (and that too probably unmatched worldwide in concept, detail and dynamism) are the Siberias Lion riders!
Hopefully our KS-2 due in the end of this year will feature even more of these wonderful miniatures, plan's the same, i.e. starting with the plastic Shieldmaiden kit!
Before going there and revealing the huge amount of work put there, we have plenty of teasers and examples of our work from our KS-1 still to show however :-D
Suggestions are highly appreciated, they can only help after all. Yes, we have considered putting unpainted/unassembled pics, but we have decided to limit that to the bitz section only.
Everything else has to be very nicely painted in order to exalt the detail of our miniature line and lure more people into a wonderful hobby that we love and believe has a lot to offer to both people that know about it or have never touched a miniature or a brush in their lives. The 360's are also part of this and we go into great length to be able to make them available, also because we want the webstore visitors to see exactly what they are getting (no hidden angles).
Yes, the range is growing (means we must be doing something right, lol) and we have projects Monuments of Glory II, these Kickstarter-1 releases, the additional Talliareum Ogre army releases, project Ikia and whatever comes out of our KS-2 naturally. On top of that the "War is Coming" rulebook. All due within the next 6 months ;-)
For the unpainted/unassembled reviews, we have opted to support and work with the bloggers/websites that are generously and passionately promoting the hobby.
We find they do a great job and much more detailed than any unpainted/unassembled picture on our website could ever do.
Miniatures from our KS-1 are already in England and Belgium, and we have mailed some to Spain and the USA too. The reviews will be coming out soon.
Next miniatures scheduled to be revealed are the Great War Mammooth with howdhah version and the Valley Orc Battle Wyvern (not necessarily in that order).
When you start your next KS will you be offering any of the miniatures from the first KS ?
I only ask as I was skint when it happened but hope to grab some bits from this one, however if they will be offered at a better price with the next KS I might wait and invest in one.
Plus I am waiting to see the mammoth in all it's glory, will you be showing both versions as I am thinking of using these with my Chaos Dwarves and wondering what the options are.
Yes, but we haven't decided which yet. We will be certainly placing some in order to enhance the campaign, going HIPS directly is going to need all the support we can get.
A lot of our funds for the KS-2 has already been invested in the 3ups to show the backers what it is really going to be like once in their hands. Best money-can-buy sculptors and materials in our opinion, please expect a very promising range and deal. Teasers on the plastics are going to be posted as we come closer to the expected launch date, first we have to wrap up KS-1.
By "both versions" if you mean with or without howdah, yes. The miniature will also include additional parts not available/revealed yet to customize it for those who might even want to field a twin-combo of Mammoths. These were freebies that were never unlocked in our KS-1 due to our bad lay-out. Now they will probably be add-ons.
The Mammooth will also contain an option for a 150mmx100mm scenic resin base (already sculpted and in production) available in our webstore. It will be shown in the coming days.
Cool and all sounds great looking forward to seeing the mammoth in all it's options, count me in for the next KS I have seen some great potential in your range so far
Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote: Yes, but we haven't decided which yet. We will be certainly placing some in order to enhance the campaign, going HIPS directly is going to need all the support we can get.
A lot of our funds for the KS-2 has already been invested in the 3ups to show the backers what it is really going to be like once in their hands. Best money-can-buy sculptors and materials in our opinion, please expect a very promising range and deal. Teasers on the plastics are going to be posted as we come closer to the expected launch date, first we have to wrap up KS-1.
By "both versions" if you mean with or without howdah, yes. The miniature will also include additional parts not available/revealed yet to customize it for those who might even want to field a twin-combo of Mammoths. These were freebies that were never unlocked in our KS-1 due to our bad lay-out. Now they will probably be add-ons.
The Mammooth will also contain an option for a 150mmx100mm scenic resin base (already sculpted and in production) available in our webstore. It will be shown in the coming days.
Sweet. I'm looking forward to KS-2 as I'm hopefuly I'll be able to get an awesome Northern Alliance army bundle of shield maidens, barbarian infantry and mammoths.
Our KS-1 funded some great beasts, tremendously detailed and dynamic centerpieces of War is Coming, hopefully our KS-2 will help fund the much wanted hard plastic troops for our game.
In the meanwhile, here's one of these beautiful beasts, the Great War Mammooth of the Northern Alliance!
I always wanted to do a giant riding a mammoth as some sort of giant Bretonian knight-wannabe mercenary. But FW stopped selling the Chaos Mammoth. I was tempted by it during the last KS. Hmh. And there'll be Viking ladies. Hmh.
Finally made it in time to take the pictures promised for the size comparison issue, we were a bit too busy packing up stuff ready to mail next week so I think you'll agree with me that this inevitably got pushed back in the priority line.
The bases used in the photos both come from Citadel's thunderwolf cavalry, the Shieldwolf mini comes supplied with a 75mmx50mm base instead. I didn't have time to glue the lion's tail, but here are the models nonetheless :-)
And if you think the Siberias lions are big... this is what you can expect for our Ice Warbears (minus an 8% in size so it will fit on the 75mmx50mm bases for War is Coming) :-D
KS-1 fulfilment will 99% be completed by end of next month, so we can start posting teasers and info for the launch date for our KS-2. It's been months we have been working on these and we really can't wait to show them off!
A review of our Wyvern, this is a production model and exactly what our KS-1 backers will be receiving next month.
This miniature was completely un-funded during the backslide but it meant so much to us that we decided to fully cover the expenses nonetheless.
We are proud of our decision :-)
@Theophony
"All" the Kickstarter Items, negative, we do not want to use the platform as a pre-order system nor penalize our supporters who purchase directly from us or our retailers. We need it to speed up production, quality costs and we genuinely need your help. War is Coming is an army and not another skirmish game, requisites go in another dimension.
As far as the Wyvern model is concerned, affirmative, it also features in our KS-2 and thus available at smaller cost.
KS-2 has been structured completely differently from KS-1, this time we will have "value for money" right from the start.
More info will strike next month :-)
Has shipping started? I saw mention of doing so mid-late October, and I'm still just waiting on one mini that must have been done for quite some time now. Looking forward to it
@RiTides
You're correct , shipping of Wave-1 (which is the largest wave and includes everything besides dragons and riders) commences end of this week, we will be posting an update in our KS page to let people know more precise facts on it. We honestly appreciate all support and your pledge (which is obviously included in this wave) shall be mailed in the coming days.
Wave-2 is due mid/end November and completes this project. It has been a great experience and we are looking forward to a next, much bigger campaign :-D
@Jerram
We would love that too, we wouldn't boast the "best" Wyvern worldwide and not go into trouble painting it, it is currently in Italy, we expect to have it back in our hands and upload a 360 on our Website by December. Hope you like it as much as we do :-)
Next update is due during the upcoming weekend (24-25 Oct.), we have scheduled to commence shipping by Thursday 22nd, but we might get lucky and commence on Tuesday 20th.
This update will also have some info on KS-2 and 1-2 teasers, but more detailed info is to be expected in the November update which should confirm completion of Wave-2...
From Tabletop Fix (hopefully not old news) via Shieldwolf via Kickstarter (??)
KS-2 is going to have a completely different structure from KS-1. Being more precise
No more gold coins (simple $ USD next to each item)
Five-six pledge levels; one for simple add-ons.
Not all items will be allowed as add-ons
Early birds; two pledge levels will have early birds. Both are going to save backers between 5-10$.
First item to be funded are the Shieldmaiden plastic infantry kit.
we are pushing way more plastics early on
Ruleset "War is Coming" will be ready and downloadable for everyone and for free. Backers however are going to receive an extended version that besides the rules is going to have a lot of background history and artwork. We believe it to be really worthwhile.
Value for money is going to be very evident from day-1.
When does it hit?
We promised that we will first wrap up KS-1, and that will be by late November. Launching KS-2 finds us divided between early December or early January, since we understand the augmented expenses we all have in Christmas. We are very heavily thinking 1st or 2nd week of January (certainly not a day later than that!) so any loose ends if KS-1 may be dealt with, but we would like to hear what you think.Plastic multi-part Shieldmaiden Infantry kit
When we started sculpting, we wanted them to be more "sensibly" clothed, but we didn't want to lose the "fantasy" feeling. We are not doing historical minis, we want a distinct fantasy range.
Okay.. that's pretty cool. I hope the Shield-maiden multi-part features options that would be friendly to people wanting to make various RP options or say.. Mordheim. I am specifically thinking about Sisters of Sigmar when I say that (lots of hammers and whips and bludgeoning weapons) but the options for clerics would probably be similar.
Thanks @MLaw, we are first waiting for impressions on our KS-1 to spread out but we did officially announce the KS-2 yesterday (Tabletopfix is extra quick to spread the news and we appreciate their contribution in the Community), so more stuff will be revealed in the next update which should conclude our first Kickstarter :-)
My kickstarter mini's turned up to day - beautiful casts, no flash at all, and no mould lines anywhere that I can see.
Awesome level of detail, especially on the lion's hair and armour plates - hope you can pick them out in the pic below.
Captain of the Guard (already converted to 40k for my vaguely conquistador inspired inquisitor crew)
and
Siberias Lion Rider B (only blu tacked together at the moment - I might end up using the other arm option, I think)
@Nicky
Seems you chose the 2nd head version on the Captain of the Guard, we thought not many people would have liked it, lol :-)
@RiTides
What does "standard" resin stand for? If I have understood the question correctly, for anything besides the regiments we use the same resin mixture (from the smallest of Goblins till Dragons).
I just saw one of/the Shieldmaiden render. Umm. Can you build some fully clothed girls, too? No midriff showing? My girlfriend just asked me to build a squad of valkyries with swan masks and the shieldmaiden box seems the only way to get a good chunk of females, but they need be practically clothed.
Near-naked berserkeresses would be cool for other projects, but I need some girls that can stand the cold and fight without fighting their breasts
Hey, I'm building some that need to be in parkas and have bear heads.. can you do that?
Seriously guys.. this isn't Burger King..
Anyway, where did you guys see the renders?
This is a WiP image we were first presented with back at early June (IIRC). Little by little we will show off how it evolved till the day we launch KS-2.
We know we will not be able to please everyone.
Now I don't want to re-open the discussion on what should be produced since the decisions have been taken and we have already put the work behind it, but in order to explain the reasoning (besides the poll we took under serious consideration) bear with me for a second.Some people will want more flesh showing, others will cry out more armor, others will say it's impractical. It's funny how that works, it's a fantasy army, as long as it's *possible* we don't know why it shouldn't be that way. When we revealed/released our Light Barbarian Infantry regiment, I don't recall a single person saying "why don't they have any armor on, it's freezing and it would be impractical to march into battle like that!" I mean even in real history it was a known fact. Most Celts scorned the use of armour and before about 300 B.C. preferred to fight naked.
Why would women in such dreaded times be ashamed to do the same? And on top of that we have already dismissed the complete naked version, and this goes for all the kits we have designed for this. Shieldmaidens, Warmaidens and all the rest of the plastic lady kits which we cannot reveal atm.
A lot of work has been put into this and a lot more learning on the manufacturing of plastics has occured in the time that has passed ever since KS-1 funded. We will be using CAD technology for these plastics, working with people (both sculptors and manufacturers) who have already collaborated for the largest company in the sector. Our aim is to produce affordable quality fantasy armies* and not only for our plastics to be second to none, we mean to be able one day to produce even better. This will take time, faith and work.
We will be more detailed in the next KS update along with confirmation that shipping wave-2 has finished and KS-1 completed, we will be posting here also to let people know.
In the meanwhile we are not only finishing the development of "War is Coming" but inevitably also submerged in Wyverns and twin-headed dragons!
:-)
*This doesn't mean there will not be some very expensive centerpieces, we spend a lot of money on these and we cannot and will not avoid premium pricing; project Ikia which will hit next year (regular release, not crowdfunding) is also following the same principle. You cannot pretend to have real high quality and affordability for very low prices. If someone says so at the end of the day he will either raise the prices or deliver low(er) quality goods. Bottom line; some stuff is worth spending money on. Period. If someone believes otherwise, we will plainly have to agree that we disagree. :-)
This is the bussiness model of ours and if it fails, we will too. For the time being we see people having pre-ordered the Mammoth and we get messaged continuously for the availability of the wyvern too. Both of which will be available in KS-2, and even if they know about it, they choose to proceed anyway. So we must be doing *something* right... :-)
Didn't you change the Shieldmaidens to have a lot more armor in the first campaign after there was a backlash against the "sexy" versions? I was under the impression that you had settled on a more "Vikings" look with realistic chainmail and armor, and I was pretty interested to buy some. I'm not interested in the usual half-naked fare though, even though I understand that others might be.
I can only speak/reveal for the first two kits (shieldmaidens and warmaidens, their main differences being having chainmail and fur clothing respectfully, along with other head versions). We have added more clothing and chainmail but we have left some parts bare; i.e. there will be a couple of designs that will have a leg wearing only a boot and no additional chainmail/fur or a couple may have the stomach bare/unprotected.
Don't expect anything near Citadel's Sisters of Avelorn which are far away from our design concept but also neither something like Witch Elves clothing versions (being the only female plastic kits that come to my mind atm)
As I said above we will not be able to please everyone, we know. We believe people will still like what we have done and we have promised high quality and value for money from our part.
We'll see how this goes... :-)
I don't mind nakedness per se, which is why *I* hoped for set of almost nude berserkeresses and a set of shieldmaidens looking like the women from Vikings. I would've gotten both, for different projects Or a set that allows for both, full armour and, err, exposed, but belly-free armour doesn't help anyone, at least not me and I'm the only person I know for sure to exist! If they're all.going to rock the bare midriffs and wear skirt armour I can still use them(and I WILL buy at least one box, likely everal if they're done and posed well and cost the same as the Orcs), but clothing some of them up as Valkyries without skin showing will eat up time AND there are no women with little to no clothing.
A reason I wanted the nude variant is that you could basically use them as dollies for all kinds of ladies. Esher gangers. Soldiers. Witch elves. Battle nuns. All would be easier to make with well-posed plastic women you just need to sculpt clothes on and arm instead of full scratch-sculpting. You could've even made them into near-naked viking girls :lol:
PS: On the why they'd not fight nude, I'm told that breasts jiggling around are a hinderance when fighting. Sounds reasonable, many tribal or barbarian warriors tuck away their dangly bits away in some sort for fighting, and hunting too.
I am hoping that the combination of Shieldwolf taking a comprehensive poll, reaching out frequently for input from the community, and the topic having been debated/discussed ad-naseaum, we can avoid having this thread turn into another "I want naked warrior women." "No, I want women in fur parkas and chain mail" type discussion again.
Shieldwolf has already paid money to get the sculpts done. They took a lot of input from the community, have been very good natured about the whole thing, and already made a decision on the art direction/level of clothing thing.
To repeat, the sculpts are done. Making suggestions or requests for the type of miniature you want them to make are moot in the context of the upcoming kickstarter.
It sounds like they have gone with a sort of middle of the road way that will hopefully be appealing to many.
(No offense intended to those who have voiced their opinions on what they want out of hypothetical miniatures, I'm just voicing my hope that this thread doesn't mimic the previous exhaustive discussion given where Shieldwolf is in the process)
Gallahad wrote: I am hoping that the combination of Shieldwolf taking a comprehensive poll, reaching out frequently for input from the community, and the topic having been debated/discussed ad-naseaum, we can avoid having this thread turn into another "I want naked warrior women." "No, I want women in fur parkas and chain mail" type discussion again.
Shieldwolf has already paid money to get the sculpts done. They took a lot of input from the community, have been very good natured about the whole thing, and already made a decision on the art direction/level of clothing thing.
To repeat, the sculpts are done. Making suggestions or requests for the type of miniature you want them to make are moot in the context of the upcoming kickstarter.
It sounds like they have gone with a sort of middle of the road way that will hopefully be appealing to many.
(No offense intended to those who have voiced their opinions on what they want out of hypothetical miniatures, I'm just voicing my hope that this thread doesn't mimic the previous exhaustive discussion given where Shieldwolf is in the process)
Ooohh.. a voice of reason! I support!
I am really looking forward of seeing what Shieldwolf can come up with in their next KS.
Well, it's a bet we believe we are going to win; then again, we'll soon find out, we are enjoying the ride for now :-)
TOK this is the first ever all female rank n' file complete army to be created (let alone in hard plastic), so if people like the concept, it should work nicely for everyone. Orcs will have some unique monsters and other goodies but they will follow/blend only after the first couple of kits from the Shieldmaiden faction have funded. We will be showing a lot more stuff and teasers as we progress and come closer, for us it's imperative we conclude KS-1 in the next 13 days max. In the meanhwile all's flowing great and our goblins have been released almost 20 days earlier than scheduled. All pre-orders containing them have shipped.
We hope you enjoy :-)
Love that gobbo... would be all over some plastic gobbo regiments from you guys! Kind of wishing I had selected this guy with my KS pledge (although the ogre halfbreed is nice ).
RiTides wrote: Love that gobbo... would be all over some plastic gobbo regiments from you guys! Kind of wishing I had selected this guy with my KS pledge (although the ogre halfbreed is nice ).
These goblins were never made available through KS-1, these are retail releases and not at 6$ per piece(!) as we had planned for at 2 gold coins each.
KS-1 never funded these due to our bad lay-out. :-(
And -this may come as a shock to some of you- goblins in our world can be fielded as mercenaries for the Northern Alliance but not the Orcs.
TOK this is the first ever all female rank n' file complete army to be created
Amazons from Wargods of Olympus (but only metal)
Will likely pledge for some Sheildmaidens so looking forward to seeing this
Fair enough although our definition of "complete" army may differ :-)
primalexile wrote: When are we expecting the second KS to launch I need to get an army of shieldmaidens for Kings of War!
RiTides wrote: Yeah, thank goodness for KoW, still have a target to shoot for with projects like this! Timing on that (KoW 2nd ed) couldn't have been better
Theoratically we could launch early December but it's going to be 1st or 2nd week of 2016. Not a day after.
We will restrain on commenting on Mantic (for obvious reasons) and instead state that should we ever need thank anyoone that would be Citadel's WHFB whom we feel has offered more than anyone else on the fantasy wargaming scene.
From our point of view we are looking into chimming in our part to the Community and give a new diverse aspect (please note I didn't use 'innovative', lol) in what we feel is a combination of deep fluff, really high quality (in both product and service) and competitive pricing and gaming experience though our War is Coming.
I believe he meant he plans on using the Shieldwolf models to play KoW instead of WHFB since that was replaced by total gak.. err.. Age of Sigmar.
I'm sure you are aware but a lot of people will be buying your range specifically for other games and many won't give your rules a fair shake simply because of their gaming climate. I game at home so I'll give it a shot but I know a lot of groups are resistant to new fantasy rules.. so.. just keep it in mind
We will be showing off more renders/teasers next week. Next month some other goodies we have prepared, ice warbears being one of them (and among our favorites too!).
In the meanwhile lions are alined and ready for... lunch! :-D
Thought you might like to see what i did with my Lion Rider in the end:
pics below, and there's this 3d view thing from this app I've been mucking about with:
https://www.fyu.se/v/pqa3v9jim2 (rotate you device if you are on mobile, or drag and click on desktop)
Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote: We will be showing off more renders/teasers next week. Next month some other goodies we have prepared, ice warbears being one of them (and among our favorites too!).
In the meanwhile lions are alined and ready for... lunch! :-D
Well, tbh one of the does have an option for feathered helmet "-)
We have 99% concluded KS-1 and awaiting pm's from anyone who might have not yet been notified before posting the last update calling it "officially" fulfilled.
It has been a great and rewarding experience for us, we hope it has worked both ways :-)
My KS shipment arrived. Some cool stuff in there, even if I don't know what to do with most of it!
I got the orc wyvern with no rider - no regrets at all, its a great model for representing any kind of drake without the bulk and majesty of a full sized dragon.
Would love 2-3 of those guys, especially with a wingless option (please?)
Is the resin easy to repose? Does the hot water trick work?
@Micky
Errr... wingless option? I don't know what you have in mind, rather curious what these are intended for!
Our resin is a very expensive mixture that (as you can see for yourself) makes it hard and resistant. The whole point is to avoid the whole hot water procedure so one would simply have to very slightly clean up, prime and ready to paint.
Edit: I'm trying to upload some of the terrain teasers for 2016 we posted on our FB page but stupid photobucket for some reason dissallows the upload :-(
We have a lot of things in the works, 2016 may be our best year yet; we'll see! :-D
In the meanwhile we have released some teasers from project Monuments of Glory II, following the success we had with the first one we simply had to do... more!
Gamers will not have much interest in this but painters will :-)
First we start with a miniature for our Orc supporters!
This is a sculpt from our first KS, the Valley Orc Shaman (there's also a youtube video of the review here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGUHS5xnvxo)
which will be available at a discounted price through our KS-2 too!
Here at Shieldwolf Miniatures we go to great length to keep on working on it becoming even better! So, all 360's are being re-worked on so people can get a visual of any Shieldwolf miniature as if it was in their hands! :-D
Here's a 360 view we have been working on although unfortunately we have encountered serious interference with our primary website build-up! (still WiP...)
http://3dhub.gr/360/
and here's a teaser of the Shieldmaidens Monstrous Cavalry Unit...
According to experience accumulated from our KS-1, we will have a pledge made available for warbear mounts only (just like we did for our Siberias Lions) :B):
We do however feel the ladies atop do make the beasts look... prettier! ;D
Hope you like them as much as we do! 8-)
That's all for now I guess, a very merry Christmas to you and your loved ones!
There really aren't enough bear mounts out there on the market, let alone ones ridden by shieldmaidens.
If these are big enough (which I hope they will be), and the maidens aren't actually sculpted on to the bears, I could see myself getting a few more for other projects I have in mind.
I like the fact that the bear itself seem pretty heavily armored.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: There really aren't enough bear mounts out there on the market, let alone ones ridden by shieldmaidens.
If these are big enough (which I hope they will be), and the maidens aren't actually sculpted on to the bears, I could see myself getting a few more for other projects I have in mind.
I like the fact that the bear itself seem pretty heavily armored.
Well, they are even larger than our Siberias lions!
I don't know if they are big enough, we think they are but here's for you to judge ;-)
(hastily photoshoped image with Orc and Warbear respectively standing on 25mm square and 75mmx50mm bases)
And "Yes, the maidens will be sculpted separately and not integrated with the bears", we have already decided and pre-commissioned "who-will-do-what" and in what deadline, the less loose ends we have the smoother the campaign should work out...
(now time to log off the computer and spend quality time with the family!)
nullBolt wrote: Love the style of those orcs. Will probably grab some after Christmas.
The plastic orcs are a nice kit, I recommend them! The heads are very cool.
I played with those sprues last year and I'm currently revisiting them just now for some wicked conversions. The Orc kit is just mind blowing awesome in every way! I highly recommend them too.
Thank you both!
The terrain is a separate release that has nothing to do with our 2nd Kickstarter, just like our fantasy busts. Just teasers for now to let people know what the company is up to and what more is to be expected :-)
RivenSkull wrote: Any plans to do undead or demons in the second KS?
Negative. We feel that was a mistake made in KS-1 and have decided to take this one step at a time instead.
The main plan (blunty put) is focused 1st) to maintain our customer service and KS reputation at the present level and 2nd) to fund two full, truly high quality armies per year via crowdfunding. IF it goes high enough in this KS-2, we do however have 2 plastic kits planned for mercenaries (but these are not "full" armies, nor are they playable in our game as solo). It might sound little but in just 2-3 years time it's definitely going to have changed Shieldwolf Miniatures completely; we just need people's faith to join ours, we are putting our money in this along with yours after all :-)
We are also hoping this will allow us to grow enough so we can focus on plastic production on our own and not necessarily need crowdfunding to produce new product, just like we did with our first kit. But for that to happen the range needs to inevitably grow a lot more...
Also, we hope people will like our game, we believe it crucial that they do. :-)
PS. If things work out, when we do decide to do undead or daemons and with the knowldedge we have gathered these past years, please expect something *really* good. We are very familiar with the competition after all and our learning curve is growing ;-)
Very excited to see what the Shieldmaidens kit ends up looking like. I will ask you one favour though: please, for the love of Jeebus, put *proper* scale pictures up on the KS page.
That means absolute(ie the model next to a ruler with mm) and relative(ie the model next to others from several manufacturers, on the same height of base, and taken from a fairly "flat" angle). I know some folk don't care, but for me at least it's very important that all the models I use for a project "fit" visually, and aforementioned pics are the best way to figure that out without holding the models in your hand.
@Yodhrin
First of all the advice is much appreciated, the more loose ends dealt with prior to the launch can only do good :-)
The plastics are intended for HIPS tooling, that means the models are going to be sculpted/printed as 3-ups, there's no 28mm scale mini printed for this as it would have no purpose.
As you probably know, 3-ups are the models we use for tooling but exactly 3 times larger for what is intended as the final product. This time we use both traditional sculpting and CAD. Both sculptors commissioned for this have worked for what we consider (by far) the largest company worldwide, so they know *very* well what they are doing. We have the experience and we are certainly not first timers in this. People that have our plastic Orcs can verify the scale compared to said company, maybe some are lurking here too so it's better you hear it from them...?
We know people want to be able to use them with existing armies, so we are making sure that works out for everyone :-)
Regardless, we will have posted what we consider a *very* representative scale comparison picture. If that doesn't suffice however, our people here will see to all questions/doubts answered during the campaign and not after that has ended :-)
@Corgan
Thank you but oh, I'm sure we will do better than that :-)
Besides @Yodhrin, KS-2 will again be offering the money-back guarantee, so if all goes well and you decide to support us, should they not be to your liking all you'll have to do is mail them back to us. We will refund you 100%, fees included. We are confident of our skills and certainly not here to fool around :-)
@Azazelx
Ah, haven't posted them here, sure, here are the last two we revealed!
As for the size of the weaponry on the images above (for which we were asked on the KS-1 comment section) please rest assured that we are not putting anything into production before approving the initial production/proof samples, but even more so judging by the 3-ups that we will be holding in our hands much prior to that stage.
Same goes for the heads and other stuff we have been asked by sci-fi players who messaged out of interest in this for conversion purposes.
Edit: In order to clarify that the bases will be SQUARE and not round (this is merely the screenshot from the program). Also, poses are in T-stance, thus these are *not* the final poses.
Those renders look pretty sweet. The sword looks a little extra-heroic, but I guess we'll see how it looks when she's posed. Who did the sculpting work?
@Mutter
Thank you! Hopefully our KS-1 experience will help this go much better :-)
@Azazelx
Errr.. I'm afraid I'll have to get back to you on this, we don't know if the sculptors have signed any discloser agreement or something like that, we have to ask first. What I can tell you is that they have till recently worked for what we call "the largest company worldwide". And no more needs be said... :-)
As for the size of the weaponry on the images above (for which we were asked on the KS-1 comment section) please rest assured that we are not putting anything into production before approving the initial production/proof samples, but even more so judging by the 3-ups that we will be holding in our hands much prior to that stage.
Same goes for the heads and other stuff we have been asked by sci-fi players who messaged out of interest in this for conversion purposes.
Edit: In order to clarify that the bases will be SQUARE and not round (this is merely the screenshot from the program). Also, poses are in T-stance, thus these are *not* the final poses.
They look promising indeed. Those weapons need to be a lot smaller, but you seem to be on top of things.
BTW, in the future it might be worth considering making a range of figures to fill out some gaps in the Mantic product line. Especially the Night stalker army, which don't have any official miniatures at all and have plenty of room to put your own twist on things.
While there are lots of different suitable models out there from various manufacturers that one can use for the Night stalkers; if you had a more comprehensive line of figures in a consistent art style I think you cold get a fair bit of sales as a one-stop shop for that army.
@Ian Sturrock
None of our models come with integrated bases, and none (most probably) ever will.
You can use whatever bases you feel like but the ones provided with each kit will all be square.
Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote: @Ian Sturrock
None of our models come with integrated bases, and none (most probably) ever will.
You can use whatever bases you feel like but the ones provided with each kit will all be square.
Hmm that's fine for me - although the images all show rounds bases?
The maidens look good, especially the top one with the one piece armor suit. Looking forward to that KS!
On the weapons, I would recommend moving the skull decoration onto the hilt instead of the blade, and getting rid of the double pronged spear head in favor of a single. Multiple prongs are good for catching fish, and not much else. Scaling the spear down so it is roughly her height would be good too, though I assume the weapons are scaled up at the moment, given that the hafts are about as big as her wrist
@Zywus
The advice (as all advice should be) is much appreciated.
Angelos didn't want to copy a much larger company's aesthetics from the very start, thus I quite doubt he'd care much about that. If an army of ours matches the purpose of another manufacturer then so be it, but Shieldwolf will mainly keep on pressing on the augmentation of its own range and game.
@Wehrkind
What you said about the spear was talked about here too, and it's very likely it's going to indeed change but not definite yet.
:-)
@RiTides
The last two teasers (one for each race) will be uploaded late tonight on our FB page for weekend purposes. By Monday we should be announcing the hour of launch, the project has already been approved by KickStarter so theoretically we are all set to go!
We were hoping by now that some more blogs/websites would have helped spread the news but not being a KS company probably punishes us :-(
@Mr. Morden
Indeed these are screenshots from the CAD program used to measure space around the model and allow it to rank up nicely. Models in all kits will be supplied with plastic square bases. As stated we are upping our plastic manufacturing more; we want to be able to deliver one day the best plastics worldwide, and while that's a bold claim to make at such an early stage (and which some people may mistakably consider arrogant), we do however invest & commit both in European manufacturing and personnel who all cost more than alternative roads.
Hopefully the results shall prove us right one day... :-)
Happy to hear that there's no integrated bases. I really dislike that archaic remnant. They are so hard to remove and unless you still use coins to base your models, they offer no benefit compared to a simple peg under one or both feet.
I should have looked at this sooner. I like the look you guys are going for on them. Warrior women are much more appealing to me than orcs, so I might back this one. Quick question though, will there be low end pledges that allow for just a handful of figures? Space and funds are limited, so I wouldn't be able to go in big, plus I prefer smaller scale skirmishes to mass battles, so being able to just get a few figures would be perfect.
@Barzam
5-6 pledge levels, we think the "sweet spot" is very friendly. We aim for more people pledging smaller amounts than our KS-1, we think it's going to work better that way. :-)
PS. That doesn't mean we will say "no" to larger pledges, lol!
One point of feedback from the first campaign, which I made a small pledge on - the free demon figure wasn't something that was useful to me, so I would've actually preferred that you guys keep the funds from that! So, it might make it easier to have a small pledge option if you don't include a freebie like that.
Also, I was surprised that everything came in retail packaging. Most Kickstarters I have backed (and it's... er... over 200 now ) have not delivered in retail packaging, and I think that's another area you could save in and thus make smaller pledges more viable.
@RiTides
The retail packaging ensures everything arrives safe and sound. Some boxes got really beat up and we mailed to a respectable number of countries, with distances varying from 100km (domestic)and as far as New Zealand. We had zero damages to the final product however and not a single complaint about their condition. The costs aren't so high really, it's mostly the labor hours put into it to ensure as much safety as humanly possible; labor hours and packaging costs which we think however pay back with the zero follow-ups we had to do. Maybe we're wrong, don't know I guess :-)
For the freebies you're absolutely right (one of our KS-1 errors), in KS-2 all freebies will be directly connected with the two factions now...
@Binabik15
Thank you! Here are a couple more teasers promised earlier today to help fix your mind in that then.
One for the Valley Orcs... (for which we have more than just artwork prepared, just can't reveal anything more atm)
and one for the Warmaidens...
Hope you like them.
Going to bed now, long nights await the team in the next days.
Wehrkind wrote: The maidens look good, especially the top one with the one piece armor suit. Looking forward to that KS!
On the weapons, I would recommend moving the skull decoration onto the hilt instead of the blade, and getting rid of the double pronged spear head in favor of a single. Multiple prongs are good for catching fish, and not much else. Scaling the spear down so it is roughly her height would be good too, though I assume the weapons are scaled up at the moment, given that the hafts are about as big as her wrist
Please don'e scale down the thickness of the weapon shafts. Anything thinner than about wrist thickness and they may look better when blown up on a screen, but are easy to break on the tabletop. For example, I think that the hafts on the mountain orc infantry are slightly too thin, and I have had two break on me (granted a three year old was involved, but something just a little thicker wouldn't have broken in my experience).
These are in HIPS, right? That should be able to be very thin and stand up to table top use, even by someone like me who drops things a lot. I have a bunch of Immortal Hoplites that have very thin spears, like nearly paper clip thin, and they have survived a long time.
Wehrkind wrote: These are in HIPS, right? That should be able to be very thin and stand up to table top use, even by someone like me who drops things a lot. I have a bunch of Immortal Hoplites that have very thin spears, like nearly paper clip thin, and they have survived a long time.
Toddlers are akin to acts of God
Affirmative.
We have slots at Renedra registered while we will be doing all the resin production in-house.
This could be a huge amazon pledge for me. I like the less cheese cake take on the Amazons a lot. Since you seem to bee one of the few comapnies that might listen to wish listing I will wish list
1. I would like less exposed mid riffs and more clothing and armour.
2. Failing that I would like optional armourpieces for arms, legs, midriffs, extra helmets and so on. Iwould like to be able to make heavily armoured warriors.
3. I would like more realistically scaled and designed weapons, less high fantasy swords for example.
4. I would like less "schampoo-model" hair and more warriorlike braids, short cuts and shawed sides.
5. I would in a forlorn hope get a few different body types, one petit, one muscular, one slim and so on. But I realise that is unlikely since it might cut down on compability between models int he kit. (No one ever seems to make different body types in plastic kits, probably to make them seem regimented and the mentioned compability - the only example I can think of is WGF:s survivors)
partisan_nick wrote: This could be a huge amazon pledge for me. I like the less cheese cake take on the Amazons a lot. Since you seem to bee one of the few comapnies that might listen to wish listing I will wish list
1. I would like less exposed mid riffs and more clothing and armour.
2. Failing that I would like optional armourpieces for arms, legs, midriffs, extra helmets and so on. Iwould like to be able to make heavily armoured warriors.
3. I would like more realistically scaled and designed weapons, less high fantasy swords for example.
4. I would like less "schampoo-model" hair and more warriorlike braids, short cuts and shawed sides.
5. I would in a forlorn hope get a few different body types, one petit, one muscular, one slim and so on. But I realise that is unlikely since it might cut down on compability between models int he kit. (No one ever seems to make different body types in plastic kits, probably to make them seem regimented and the mentioned compability - the only example I can think of is WGF:s survivors)
Will buy a few no matter how they end up looking!
Cheers!
I think they are going for a compromise between "skyclad" and full armour - I like both and will also be buying these
Optional armour pieces are a nice idea as are the shaved heads as in Vikings and of course the lovely Ms Natalie Dormer
Foundry do do a variety of body types here: (very slightly NSFW)
Spoiler:
Not sure how they would look next to the Shieldwolf ladies but might well work as a warrior band.....but they might be too small to mix and match and they are metal.
Are the maidens one piece or multi-piece do we know?
I agree with Nick, I'd love to see some badass, capable-looking Amazons more than cheesecakey ones. I will probably end up pledging somewhat either way but I would far rather see sensible armour and kill-crazy faces than exposed flesh and model good looks.
partisan_nick wrote: This could be a huge amazon pledge for me. I like the less cheese cake take on the Amazons a lot. Since you seem to bee one of the few comapnies that might listen to wish listing I will wish list
1. I would like less exposed mid riffs and more clothing and armour.
2. Failing that I would like optional armourpieces for arms, legs, midriffs, extra helmets and so on. Iwould like to be able to make heavily armoured warriors.
3. I would like more realistically scaled and designed weapons, less high fantasy swords for example.
4. I would like less "schampoo-model" hair and more warriorlike braids, short cuts and shawed sides.
5. I would in a forlorn hope get a few different body types, one petit, one muscular, one slim and so on. But I realise that is unlikely since it might cut down on compability between models int he kit. (No one ever seems to make different body types in plastic kits, probably to make them seem regimented and the mentioned compability - the only example I can think of is WGF:s survivors)!
1. Some will please you, others will not.
2. "Heavily armored" would be hard just by using bits; if not for a kit designed just for that. No further comment.
3. Weaponry is going to include some more "normal" pieces like axes and swords. Some will have a fantasy touch however, we are trying to have the fantasy aesthetic but without overwhelming it. Here are a couple of examples.
4. Number of heads available will allow a nice variety. Here's another one, although we think we have shown a clear rappresentative of what we are aiming to fund...
And mark my words from now (if we hopefully get there) 2nd maiden kit planned will especially be discussed on the "heads" issue.
Thankfully we have gotten used to it with our Orcs :-D
5. Negative. Maybe in the long future but not in any of the current plans.
Not sure how they would look next to the Shieldwolf ladies but might well work as a warrior band.....but they might be too small to mix and match and they are metal.
People who are already into wargaming will be given what we consider a "crystal clear" view of what the model size is.
(On the other hand if people are still not sure, we'll have plenty of days to make up for it. We think there will be no such need however)
Are the maidens one piece or multi-piece do we know?
You are refferring to ours I guess, if so, all plastic kits for both factions (even the two mercenary ones assuming it goes that well and the funding covers the whole stretch goal plan we have designed) are multi-piece.
Going to bed now, 02:30' here, just warming up for what is to come :-)
Is it me, or do their waists seem really thin in comparison to their hips and ribcages? I appreciate wanting to get the hourglass shape in there for the midriff, but the model looks a bit too thin given the bulk of belts and armor above and below.
Just my thoughts. I'll reserve judgement once some more images appear of near-finished renders.
-iPaint- wrote: Is it me, or do their waists seem really thin in comparison to their hips and ribcages? I appreciate wanting to get the hourglass shape in there for the midriff, but the model looks a bit too thin given the bulk of belts and armor above and below.
Just my thoughts. I'll reserve judgement once some more images appear of near-finished renders.
~iPaint
I was thinking the same - in that second render she looks like she'd snap in half if she bent over to tie her shoelaces. She gets absurdly thin in the middle there.
I'd love some sidecuts and braided hair a lot as well, so let us hope that second kit funds. Right? I'm also hoping for some trollslayer hair. Or I'll shave some heads and sculpt it myself, I don't cRe as long as it's METAL \m/
Yeah, but what time? I have no internet in my room (again :|) as I had to find out coming back from my christmas holidays, so I'll need to hang around in an uni building close to launch time if there are EBs to snag!
Binabik15 wrote: Yeah, but what time? I have no internet in my room (again :|) as I had to find out coming back from my christmas holidays, so I'll need to hang around in an uni building close to launch time if there are EBs to snag!
14.00 EST which if we are not mistaken means
Athens: 21.00
Berlin: 20.00
London 19.00
New York: 14.00
Melbourne: 06.00 a.m. ... sorry :-/
RiTides wrote: Launch is tomorrow, I think there's going to be a preview of an orc first though?
Oh, I'm pretty sure we can do better than that! Here's a resin copy of one of our 3-ups of how a Valley Orc is going to go into the sprue tooling (assuming everything goes well and we fund their first kit). If it funds, we have already invested in the kit so it's almost ready to go into production to save us time and allow us to firmly believe we will indeed deliver on time.
That looks quite good! And the heads are separate (on all your orcs)? To be honest, that's the only part of your orc aesthetic that hasn't fit what I need, but that looks very promising.
Would the orcs deliver earlier if they're already ready for production, if that's all someone orders? That was the only other downside for KS-1 for me - I ordered a model that was already complete, but had to wait until everything else was sculpted before it shipped.
Alpharius wrote: Sorry if this has already been asked and answered - Will there eventually be a 'Shieldwolf - The Game' for all these awesome miniatures?
Rules seem to be in development.
Until then, I think I need the Mammoth for my KoW Ogres
Alpharius wrote: Sorry if this has already been asked and answered - Will there eventually be a 'Shieldwolf - The Game' for all these awesome miniatures?
Rules seem to be in development.
That's partially incorrect I'm afraid.
Beta version (1.b1a) is already available and downloadable from our website as promised for free. We wanted to have version 1.c1a instead, which would have had edited text and even more playtests but we run out of time and wanted to give people an idea before KS-2 launched of what more is behind this.
We are also committed in the continuous play "tuning" and (necessary) editing of it all, plus the addition of two more armies within 2016.
The "Starter Army II" sets have a crazy good price-per-model!
Am I just missing the orc renders somewhere, or are the orc offerings just the existing orc infantry unit from the store? I see a lot of orc heroes but not what's in the box.
That starter army vs set is a pretty good deal, that's for sure.
I *REALLY* hope there's an option to swap Valley orcs for Mountain orcs when they get funded. Got plenty of Mountain ones already.
Appreciate the support!
Also, yes, there will be ;-)
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RiTides wrote: The "Starter Army II" sets have a crazy good price-per-model!
Am I just missing the orc renders somewhere, or are the orc offerings just the existing orc infantry unit from the store? I see a lot of orc heroes but not what's in the box.
Orcs will be showing up later, the majority of the people asked for the Shieldmaidens first.
Alpharius wrote: I wish there were Shieldmen we could mix in with the Shieldwomen too.
Still, I'm in!
I wonder how they scale next to WGF or Gripping Beast Vikings...
Have we seen any size comparison pics for the resin minis? That would probably give us a good idea.
Alpharius wrote: I wish there were Shieldmen we could mix in with the Shieldwomen too.
Still, I'm in!
I wonder how they scale next to WGF or Gripping Beast Vikings...
Have we seen any size comparison pics for the resin minis? That would probably give us a good idea.
We'll see to it to snap a couple of pics with the resins next to others and post them in one of our updates, but that's not a priority right now.
There are other goodies we are working on besides the bears and some you might not even suspect ;-)
For the comparison pics we will do so before the end of the campaign however, preferably placing a couple of minis form other manufacturers too (not only ours!).
Alpharius wrote: I wish there were Shieldmen we could mix in with the Shieldwomen too.
Still, I'm in!
I wonder how they scale next to WGF or Gripping Beast Vikings...
Have we seen any size comparison pics for the resin minis? That would probably give us a good idea.
They're not really a match. Shieldwolf's resin Shieldmaidens from the last KS are height-scaled like GW models, though much finer in their proportions, so less heroic proportions. GBP, WGF, etc are "historical" height-scaled, so the Shieldmaidens look positively Amazonian by comparison. I don't have any GB or WGF off the sprues to do quality photo comparisons, though. (and I know I'll lose them if I clip them off!)
I think that $50 is to add just the Howdah and crew to the Mammoth that's included in the $200 pledge. So the $200 pledge becomes $250 if you want the Mammoth to have a howdah on it.
I think that graphic needs a big UPGRADE ONLY - DOES NOT INCLUDE MAMMOTH on the top of it to help clarity.
More renders showing really skinny mid-sections - tis a shame.
Look at the 4 pictures under the "Examples of various miniatures assembled from this kit" - the first one looks fine - with human-like anatomy. The three beneath that have ridiculously narrow mid-sections that couldn't possibly contain things like organs, or bones.
This doesn't bother anyone else? They otherwise look great.
Schmapdi wrote: More renders showing really skinny mid-sections - tis a shame.
Look at the 4 pictures under the "Examples of various miniatures assembled from this kit" - the first one looks fine - with human-like anatomy. The three beneath that have ridiculously narrow mid-sections that couldn't possibly contain things like organs, or bones.
This doesn't bother anyone else? They otherwise look great.
Are you sure? To me, the pictures look like there is a section to each side of the belly that is more heavily shadowed, but nothing ridiculous.
There's a somewhat exaggerated midsection there, but not as bad as it looks at a glance. Bob's correct - there's shadowed area there, so we're not talking Jessica Rabbit proportions by a long way.
The second one has black shadows on each side of her belly that obscure the cloak. Those are part of her midsection. The third has a shadow and a weird strap that looks like negative space. The fourth one has a belt that fades to black at the sides due to shadow and the armor's overhang.
Coffee hasn't been made yet but the sun is shining and things look great! :-)
@Schmapdi
The "dolly" is the same for all 4, I can assure you. Also, the sculptor commissioned for all the Shieldmaiden plastics is the same that has sculpted the figure whose size comparison we have uploaded. That much we are allowed to reveal.
We haven't tooled ours yet (unfortunately we need the additional funds for that to happen, thus the KS-2) for me to show you a side-by-side picture, but rest assured they are the same size/structure and are not as "uber-skinny" as you immagine... :-)
Honestly we appreciate the interest and your following this, maybe by the end we'll entice you to come aboard! ;-)
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JoshInJapan wrote: Thanks for the link. The Mammooth looks great, and it's only $50 to add one on in the new KS.
50$ doesn't even meet production costs I'm afraid. This isn't some cheap chinese facility pouring them out by the thousands...
JoshInJapan wrote: I wonder if it's too late to advocate for the shieldmaidens to all have armor on their bellies...
In the first kit, yes, it's too late. Same goes for the 2nd kit. 3rd kit... I wouldn't know *rolling eyes*!
Azazelx wrote: I think that $50 is to add just the Howdah and crew to the Mammoth that's included in the $200 pledge. So the $200 pledge becomes $250 if you want the Mammoth to have a howdah on it.
I think that graphic needs a big UPGRADE ONLY - DOES NOT INCLUDE MAMMOTH on the top of it to help clarity.
Yeah, we'll probably be adding that to the graphic...
A day late (KS didn't let me choose a pledge level on my phone), but I have my EB1!
I'm not a fan of the dragon and 80 maidens are a lot while it's just one kit, so I think I'll go with the starter set. Or drop down to 9$ and get some as add-ons. Or maybe we unlock a second plastic kit.
Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote: Also, the sculptor commissioned for all the Shieldmaiden plastics is the same that has sculpted the figure whose size comparison we have uploaded.
Do you mean this picture?
Unfortunately, I think this is probably the least useful size comparison pic possible! This is because:
1. There is no ruler
2. The manufacturer of the other miniature is not listed
3. The model chosen is in a pose where it is standing up on a skull / rock, rather than standing flat!
Addressing one or two of those things would have made it much easier to compare to (you don't necessarily need to address all 3).
Other than that, I think things look very good - and that is a fantastic conversion suggestion, Ian Sturrock
@RiTides
There are 'reasons' of how the comparison picture could be posted.
Granted, no ruler, but the project aims at wargamers who have handled good quality plastics, so this should be a very clear rappresentation of what it's going to be like.
@Binabik15
Appreciate the support, welcome aboard!
@mugginns
Thank you, for us it's important to replicate the KS-1 experience, people liked it and therefore so do we! :-)
Thanks for that, Azazelx! If someone has that model, they could measure it for us but by far the easiest solution would be to post a picture of a model with either a known height, our give a height measurement. With how this one is standing both on its toes and on a skull, it's difficult to compare to.
Barzam wrote: The large wolves the two factions use are different sculpts, right? Any chance of having shieldmaidens riding giant wolves?
Yes, they are different sculpts, the Ice Wolves are more furry and have chains, the Great Wolves are skinnier and have leather/wood armor with ropes.
We have asked Italian painter who is in possession of the minis to provide some more pics so backers can have better visual.
Chances of Shieldmaidens riding wolves is not in our current plans. We think Yeti and Bear riders suffice for now although we will make their riders available as a separate add-on...
Interesting. I like the Shield Maidens so far. I'll wait to see what else pops up. Long lead time does temper me a bit because I might love it now and by the time it comes in the project I'd be excited for them for is gone.
The amount of savings you get on these is rather nice I must say, just makesure you dont go under for doing it...at least wait till after you send the stuff out
My Mantic KoW order had a customs fee when shipped directly from the EU, so I'm curious if you're using a shipping hub here or not.
Did they send it via UPS or FedEx or something like that to cause your customs charges?
FedEx.
It's just made me wary of buying from overseas now.
From my experience from buying from the US to UK, it seems if a parcel has tracking and needs to be signed for i normally get charged import fees and custom charges, if it does not need signing for i normally dont have to pay any extra
My Mantic KoW order had a customs fee when shipped directly from the EU, so I'm curious if you're using a shipping hub here or not.
Did they send it via UPS or FedEx or something like that to cause your customs charges?
FedEx.
It's just made me wary of buying from overseas now.
From my experience from buying from the US to UK, it seems if a parcel has tracking and needs to be signed for i normally get charged import fees and custom charges, if it does not need signing for i normally dont have to pay any extra
I believe that is just a coincidence of what packages get picked up by the customs. What would make a difference is if SWM would tag the package with a low value so that it gets below the point of where it would demand a normal additional tax/fee/vat.
My Mantic KoW order had a customs fee when shipped directly from the EU, so I'm curious if you're using a shipping hub here or not.
Did they send it via UPS or FedEx or something like that to cause your customs charges?
FedEx.
It's just made me wary of buying from overseas now.
From my experience from buying from the US to UK, it seems if a parcel has tracking and needs to be signed for i normally get charged import fees and custom charges, if it does not need signing for i normally dont have to pay any extra
I believe that is just a coincidence of what packages get picked up by the customs. What would make a difference is if SWM would tag the package with a low value so that it gets below the point of where it would demand a normal additional tax/fee/vat.
Most of my untracked parcels are over the taxable value and get through with no extra costs, like you say its pretty can be a bit random for those ones, but ALL my tracked parcels over the taxable value get stung by customs, Ive brought quite a bit from the US through KS in the last year, over 195 backed KS projects!
No sweat @howie, we still have lots of work to do. Hopefully by the end of 2016 we will have both edited the texts and added the rules and fluff for the next two armies planned.
Oh, and appreciate the support for a 2nd time! :-)
This is looking good but I'm a little disappointed. I mentioned buying some things from the store a while back and you advised me to wait for the KS campaign.. and.. none of the stuff you suggested I wait on is in the campaign. I can't remember everything but I know at the least I had mentioned genies/elementals and ancient ones. If they're not planned that's okay, I can buy from the store I just don't understand why you told me to wait :/
MLaw wrote: This is looking good but I'm a little disappointed. I mentioned buying some things from the store a while back and you advised me to wait for the KS campaign.. and.. none of the stuff you suggested I wait on is in the campaign. I can't remember everything but I know at the least I had mentioned genies/elementals and ancient ones. If they're not planned that's okay, I can buy from the store I just don't understand why you told me to wait :/
That's because during the mid-campaign slump we will probably be adding some stuff from the webstore (at a discounted price) to pick up momentum, that's why I had told you that.
We are saving several aces up our sleeve (or so we think at least *smiles to himself*) to make sure this doesn't stall. And if it does stall, at least not a lot :-)
Oh, that makes sense. I'm only really doing skirmish gaming for fantasy these days so I really wouldn't need more than a single box of the ladies and a few wolves maybe.. plus existing products of course. I've got a reminder set and will keep an eye out
We are still trying to figure out why it doesn't allow us to upload the "Pledge Map" as we call it via our website, we hope you will find (for now at least) this helpful...
Question: I see that there are a variety of weapons for the shield maidens, but do you think you could give a quick rundown on the spread of weapons in the box?
Mostly interested in how many 2 handers and if there are any bows/ranged weapons at all, or if they're all melee (which would make sense, given the theme)
JoshInJapan wrote: I somehow missed Starter Army 2. That may be the wonder bargain of the century.
If things go as planned, in a week or so I'll quote you on this... ;-)
Rihgu wrote: Question: I see that there are a variety of weapons for the shield maidens, but do you think you could give a quick rundown on the spread of weapons in the box?
Mostly interested in how many 2 handers and if there are any bows/ranged weapons at all, or if they're all melee (which would make sense, given the theme)
The weaponry for this kit is all single handed weaponry.
Other types of weaponry have been planned for other kits down the road however. As for the ranged weapon option, if anyone has downloaded our rulebook, I'd suggest he/she browses through pages 95-98. You might something of particular interest in page 96. Just sayin'... ;-)
JoshInJapan wrote: I somehow missed Starter Army 2. That may be the wonder bargain of the century.
If things go as planned, in a week or so I'll quote you on this... ;-)
Rihgu wrote: Question: I see that there are a variety of weapons for the shield maidens, but do you think you could give a quick rundown on the spread of weapons in the box?
Mostly interested in how many 2 handers and if there are any bows/ranged weapons at all, or if they're all melee (which would make sense, given the theme)
The weaponry for this kit is all single handed weaponry.
Other types of weaponry have been planned for other kits down the road however. As for the ranged weapon option, if anyone has downloaded our rulebook, I'd suggest he/she browses through pages 95-98. You might something of particular interest in page 96. Just sayin'... ;-)
I had seen exactly that, and my question was my subtle way of asking if this kit would be able to make those as well :-)
Thanks for answering!
The pic says "All Gold level pledges", so no. On a related note, I wasn't quite clear, but the $9 of that pledge level can be used towards anything, right?
That Orc vs Maidens box could end up becoming a pretty ridiculous deal.
You're already getting 40 plastic figures for both sides, and since that set is eligible for gold stretches, you'd get another 2 boxes tossed in there?
Jeez, makes me wonder what will happen when those Valley Orcs get funded.
This could be all kinds of crazy.
(Secretly hopes for a future Dracantropii crazy campaign some day...)
The success of the campaign so far makes me so happy. I backed the first campaign, and was impressed by the level of service and commitment to excellence. They did a great job fulfilling KS1 despite circumstances that would have made a shambles of other campaigns. Their success this time around is well deserved.
Binabik15 wrote: WARmaidens. 40 of them? For free?! Is that right? Niiiiice.
We are committed in offering great value, and we aren't aiming for more funds from our existing backers, what we seriously need is more people jumping in.
The power of crowdfunding has this charm I guess :-)
Otherwise neither we will be able to tool these kits, neither you (the backers) will get it additionaly in your pledges...
Binabik15 wrote: WARmaidens. 40 of them? For free?! Is that right? Niiiiice.
We are committed in offering great value, and we aren't aiming for more funds from our existing backers, what we seriously need is more people jumping in.
The power of crowdfunding has this charm I guess :-)
Otherwise neither we will be able to tool these kits, neither you (the backers) will get it additionaly in your pledges...
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A HUGE THANK YOU TO EVERYONE!!! :-)
Congrats!
I can't do much to spread the word, except maybe on a few Kickstarters, but some of the guys (and mods ) in this thread are more suited AND on the same KSs.
I want to make sure I'm clear because some people in the comments seem to think differently.
If we are pledged at the $200 level and pick 2 shield maiden starter armies then we still only get 2 free boxes of troops right? And not 4, 2 for each army selected.
Some people seem to think it's per selection and not per pledge.
Also side note but I went in for the $190 early bird because what the hell. Even a year from now I'll probably dig a bunch of fantasy chicks to build a KoW army with.
Every Shieldmaiden starter army is eligible to 2 free boxes of Warmaidens, thus 2 starter armies qualify for 2 boxes EACH. Note that this is STARTER ARMY and not RAIDING PARTY.
Goregut wrote: Every Shieldmaiden starter army is eligible to 2 free boxes of Warmaidens, thus 2 starter armies qualify for 2 boxes EACH. Note that this is STARTER ARMY and not RAIDING PARTY.
Yep you do need to be "Gold level" which is only $95! I was very surprised they are being that generous!
Lord. So I could get 2 Dragons, 5-6 Characters, and 160 Shield Maidens for $190 right now? For a single super pledge that I picked 2 starter armies from?
Wow, that seems over the top so hopefully they don't hurt themselves by doing it.
They did mention in the comments that once the tooling is done, there's not a huge difference in throwing in a few extra sprues when you're ordering really large batches, and since Shieldwolf seems in it for the long term with these kits, I think it's quite cool they're doing this.
If this gets even more momentum behind it I can see this going far beyond CMON levels of loot.
Yeah, I used to almost demand to swap things but it slows things down massively and increases the error rate. I'm good with set packages and then add-ons now.
Also shared with my local Fantasy and Kings of War groups on Facebook.
Sprues are cheap evenif GW likes to act otherwise, but I expected getting some mountain orcs for free, not TWO BOXES of a yet untooled kit!
I guessed 50k or 75k as the dollar amount of the SG on KS, what are you guys expecting? I think it depends on how much cost they're eating on the resin stuff in the original 30k funding goal.
I'm going to make such a cool swanmaiden warband (sith a single Archaon-sized swan knight dude as their mounted bruiser), lots of Tharn ladies and a Lagertha tribute force out of mine \m/
I think the cost on the resin stuff (of which I think only the shield maiden characters don't exist already) is minimal. I feel like 90% of the initial fund is for tooling and a solid production run. Meaning I expect the 2 free boxes to fall into the 40k area at most. I expect not to see the next Plastic Kit until around 60k though with 1-2 resin kits between.
I also doubt we will see another Plastic kit for another 20k or so, but theres still plenty of stuff they can do. The resin shieldmaiden bear riders, more stuff from their store and even something new as a addon like the Yak was.
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Glad you liked it, there was anxiety whether people would like it or not, it seems they do! :-)
Also, made it in time to read the comments above, most of you are spot on regarding the lay-out.
Let's see where this leads us, the more people jumping in, the easiest for us to keep the flow. And like you said about the Battle Yak, oh yes, we got things you're pretty sure you're not expecting! :-)
Nostromodamus wrote: I still can't believe we get the freebies PER SET, rather than per pledge. Amazing!
If we start unlocking Orc freebies as well, 2x starter set for $190/$200 is going to be absolutely bonkers value.
Yes it will, but we have to unlock the Orc kits first, and the Orc supporters seem less in number than those who pledge for the ladies... ;-)
Also, the tooling of the 3ups for the Orcs is ready, so the investment has been already made (and it surely didn't come cheap), so it's a one-way road for us to unlock these too!
Nostromodamus wrote: I still can't believe we get the freebies PER SET, rather than per pledge. Amazing!
If we start unlocking Orc freebies as well, 2x starter set for $190/$200 is going to be absolutely bonkers value.
It's a hell of a lot of freebies, but it makes sense if you think about it - it stops people having multiple pledges of, say $100 or $200 value as happens in other campaigns when they do that with freebies. It's also very similar to CMON and Mantic's (very successful) approach where you can pledge for multiples of their various "core" pledge levels and get multiples of all of the freebies attached to each.
In turn, it makes "another core pledge" a very attractive add-on for existing backers. Much better for Shieldwolf to get backers adding $100 or $200 chunks than $9 ones.
I'm just looking forward to the two handed weapon ones. I love the ones shown already but I want some two handers. And I'm also eager for the valley orks. Armored orks are my favorite orks.
Jerram wrote: Any plans to make the wolves available separately for those of us getting starter armies ?
Depends if the other starter armies we have planned for get unlocked or not.
Maybe I'm missing something but why would unlocking other starters effect providing an addon for models you are already offering as part of the raiding party ? Or is that just your way of saying be patient you have a plan. Course I'm hoping the bear cavalry are one of those two add on stretch goals between now and 60k. A man can dream cant he.
I realise you will be ultra busy but where is the best place to send any noted errors etc- eg: p4, last paragraph, 8th line - coltivate should be cultivate I think.
Mr Morden wrote: ....but then Viking style armies are not known for their missile troops
Bit OT, but actually, the Viking bowmen weren't too shabby. Or rather, a lot of the fighters had bows, too, and knew how to use them.
Hmm I didn't know that I always figuered they would have some as hunting would be a good skill but that it was not a big part of how they waged war - but i guess they were fairly pragmatic about most things so it makes sense.