We've got a thread for new SF model releases. How about a thread for new historical vehicles that can be used in 40K?
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKO2008/Mil Mark IV tank from WW1. The inspiration for the Land Raider and Leman Russ. The real tank is a lot narrower. It would be pretty easy to saw it lengthways and widen out the hull with plastic card.
http://www.hlj.com/product/HOB23841/Mil Soviet T25 -- basically a copy of the Vickers A1E1 concept but the Russians actually used it in combat. The inspiration for the Baneblade. The real tank is a lot narrower (GW vehicles are always very wide for some reason.) It would be pretty easy to add sponsons to the sides.
While it wouldn't fit 40K, I've long thought that the Draken would make a great spacefighter. Unfortunately, there is only a single premium manufacturer who made one in 1/48 scale.
Best news here is both are based on the same chassis as the M3 Lee/Grant and the M4 Sherman, meaning there are lots of other kits if you want to build your army around a common chassis.
This is the Takom Renault tank in 1/16 scale. With hatch, weapon and accessories it would make a great Malcador or Macharious. The figure with similar conversion would make a nice statue for terrain.
Kilkrazy wrote: We've got a thread for new SF model releases. How about a thread for new historical vehicles that can be used in 40K?
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKO2008/Mil Mark 1 tank from WW1. The inspiration for the Land Raider and Leman Russ. The real tank is a lot narrower. It would be pretty easy to saw it lengthways and widen out the hull with plastic card.
Emhar do a Mk V but it is a much older kit. This new kit should be nice. If you want to convert the tank for 40K it doesn't matter much which mark it is. They are pretty similar.
With most historical to 40K conversions you have to think about replacing the weapons. 40K gun barrels are massively over-sized, probably three to four times "normal".
I actually downscaled all the barrels I could on my vehicles. My Merkava chimera have the Dreamforge AA guns as the heavy bolter, so still massive but only because of the array, each barrel is "reasonable."
I used two of Paulson's rotary guns for my Punisher's turret and 1/35 gun barrels for the hull/sponson weapons.
I then took out the main gun of my Stuarts to mount two heavy stubbers to simulate Exterminators.
The only GW autocannon I kept was the one I use on the Universal Carriers that stand in as sentinels. Almost as long as the vehicle itself... it's not perfect, but very manly.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: Did my whole chimera complement with those. That hull is super versatile.
Any pics next to some minis Mathieu?
Great idea for a thread!
I'll try to get you some tonight. I'll bring the camera home. Lighting will suck, though, still no ceiling light. (Anyone can help my find a vintage art deco ceiling fixture that will not bleed my wallet dry? Say, Land Raider priced?)
sing your life wrote: http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2100/1vgnyz0v/products/22704/images/27035/TAK_16_1002_Boxart_FT_M__47404.1397656933.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
This is the Takom Renault tank in 1/16 scale. With hatch, weapon and accessories it would make a great Malcador or Macharious. The figure with similar conversion would make a nice statue for terrain.
I found one of those, without its gun, rusting away in a barn in Kansas, back in the early '70s.
For years it was a mystery to me how a French tank ended up in a barn in Kansas, but the answer, when I found it was... boring.
The US bought over a hundred of those tanks, and manufactured hundreds more - and they were all sent to Kansas when they were decommissioned. Many ended up as tractors....
Emhar do a Mk V but it is a much older kit. This new kit should be nice. If you want to convert the tank for 40K it doesn't matter much which mark it is. They are pretty similar.
With most historical to 40K conversions you have to think about replacing the weapons. 40K gun barrels are massively over-sized, probably three to four times "normal".
The picture i posted is the old Emhar kit, the B1 bis is the 1:35 Tamiya kit
sing your life wrote: http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2100/1vgnyz0v/products/22704/images/27035/TAK_16_1002_Boxart_FT_M__47404.1397656933.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
This is the Takom Renault tank in 1/16 scale. With hatch, weapon and accessories it would make a great Malcador or Macharious. The figure with similar conversion would make a nice statue for terrain.
I found one of those, without its gun, rusting away in a barn in Kansas, back in the early '70s.
For years it was a mystery to me how a French tank ended up in a barn in Kansas, but the answer, when I found it was... boring.
The US bought over a hundred of those tanks, and manufactured hundreds more - and they were all sent to Kansas when they were decommissioned. Many ended up as tractors....
The Auld Grump
Since the first prototype tanks were based on an agricultural tractor, and this is a "swords into ploughshares" story, I think it is rather interesting.
I wonder if there are any rescuable units that could be got into a museum.
I got all my vehicles in my gallery, just added them. Universal Carrier/Scout Sentinel, Grant/Punisher, Stuart/Exterminator, Supacat/Taurox.
Cool! I was thinking of taking an extra academy merkava I have and adding a gun shield and making some sort of sci fi tank destroyer out of it. It'd also be ideal for putting an anti-air turret on, or a artillery piece. Or anything really.
I saw that the 1/48 Bradley has a back door that opens, so it might work too. It is similar in price to a Merkava on eBay, because it's done by the same company.
1/48 for the Bradley might be a bit small for 40k. 1/35 would be a good size though. 40k tanks are so out of proportion and too tall anyway, so it'll probably be better to go with 50mm scale tanks with their 28mm miniatures
nflagey wrote: Anyone knows, in terms of quality, of the details, ... how the different brands compare? Airfix, Revell, Italeri ...
In my experience, Hasegawa, Academy, Tamiya and Revell are all consistently good, Airfix it depends a lot on the age of the kit (some of them are really old, 30+ years, and really don't hold up well, but the newer stuff is great). Italeri are good from what I've seen, but I've heard some poor reviews of some of their stuff.
In general, stick to the well-known brands and you can't really go wrong, especially if you're looking for conversion fodder over exact historical accuracy (there's a whole market selling conversion kits for people who need the parts exactly right, so some kits and companies are sometimes a little off, but only if you're really obsessing over detail)
nflagey wrote: Anyone knows, in terms of quality, of the details, ... how the different brands compare? Airfix, Revell, Italeri ...
In my experience, Hasegawa, Academy, Tamiya and Revell are all consistently good, Airfix it depends a lot on the age of the kit (some of them are really old, 30+ years, and really don't hold up well, but the newer stuff is great). Italeri are good from what I've seen, but I've heard some poor reviews of some of their stuff.
In general, stick to the well-known brands and you can't really go wrong, especially if you're looking for conversion fodder over exact historical accuracy (there's a whole market selling conversion kits for people who need the parts exactly right, so some kits and companies are sometimes a little off, but only if you're really obsessing over detail)
Thanks!
I'm actually looking for some diversity to include into my Ork army.
I recently got a 1:72 Warthog from Revell to use as a DakkaJet with a Grot pilot.
I was sort of disappointed: the plastic is a bit on the cheap side wrt to what GW makes, and there are not that many details.
Maybe it's because a snap-tite model ... not sure.
I've now made a list of some models to use as BattleWagon, Trukk, Dakkajet or Warbuggy but was not sure about the quality.
I found a few interesting models on Airfix: the Supacat Coyote and Jackal would be good for BattleWagon and Trukk for instance.
Airfix has a rather gak quality. It was like that back in the day and it's still like that now. I got their Land Rover twin pack and it has not been a fun build: ill-fitting parts, gaps, poor tooling and whatnot.
Same with Italeri aircraft kits, though their 1:35 tanks and whatnot are usually topnotch, with the exception of their 1:49 not-Opel Blitz, which was a nice kit, but for some reason all the rubber tyres snapped over time.
I was sort of disappointed: the plastic is a bit on the cheap side wrt to what GW makes, and there are not that many details.
Maybe it's because a snap-tite model ... not sure.
In general, model kits are meant for display, and will have much thinner plastic than 40k as they're not really designed for gaming, just putting on a shelf. As for the 'not many details' bit, remember it is under half the scale, so if it were 40k scale the lines ect would be twice as deep (not to mention GW exaggerate every detail a lot on their kits)
I was sort of disappointed: the plastic is a bit on the cheap side wrt to what GW makes, and there are not that many details.
Maybe it's because a snap-tite model ... not sure.
In general, model kits are meant for display, and will have much thinner plastic than 40k as they're not really designed for gaming, just putting on a shelf. As for the 'not many details' bit, remember it is under half the scale, so if it were 40k scale the lines ect would be twice as deep (not to mention GW exaggerate every detail a lot on their kits)
Right, GW models now feel kind of silly I want to keep some consistency though, and maybe after adding bitz and painting the model, the differences won't be noticeable.
nflagey wrote: Anyone knows, in terms of quality, of the details, ... how the different brands compare? Airfix, Revell, Italeri ...
In my experience, Hasegawa, Academy, Tamiya and Revell are all consistently good, Airfix it depends a lot on the age of the kit (some of them are really old, 30+ years, and really don't hold up well, but the newer stuff is great). Italeri are good from what I've seen, but I've heard some poor reviews of some of their stuff.
In general, stick to the well-known brands and you can't really go wrong, especially if you're looking for conversion fodder over exact historical accuracy (there's a whole market selling conversion kits for people who need the parts exactly right, so some kits and companies are sometimes a little off, but only if you're really obsessing over detail)
Forgot to ask a silly question: what are the well-known brands?
nflagey wrote: Anyone knows, in terms of quality, of the details, ... how the different brands compare? Airfix, Revell, Italeri ...
In my experience, Hasegawa, Academy, Tamiya and Revell are all consistently good, Airfix it depends a lot on the age of the kit (some of them are really old, 30+ years, and really don't hold up well, but the newer stuff is great). Italeri are good from what I've seen, but I've heard some poor reviews of some of their stuff.
In general, stick to the well-known brands and you can't really go wrong, especially if you're looking for conversion fodder over exact historical accuracy (there's a whole market selling conversion kits for people who need the parts exactly right, so some kits and companies are sometimes a little off, but only if you're really obsessing over detail)
Forgot to ask a silly question: what are the well-known brands?
Revell, Tamiya, Academy, Dragon, and Hasegawa all have consistently good quality. In my experience, Tamiya are best for tanks, but Hasegawa often do large aircraft well.
I think many of the early WW2 light tanks might make interesting choices for scifi tanks. They have more of that short boxy shape that GW vehicles use.
Heighten the tracks and lower the turret, and tanks like this H38 should be pretty nice:
The smaller, early WW2 tanks probably work well in 1/35 scale. Most people are familiar with the German panzers and things like the Sherman. Tanks like the Hotchkiss, Somua and Valentine are less visually familiar.
I'm hunting for an odd one, personally. Rather than tanks, I've been searching for a good source of good heads for Marines. The Roman style with the horsehair crest, for instance. Any good plastic 28 mm historicals out there?
(Aside from Wargames Factory. Source of all things samurai!)
Wakshaani wrote: I'm hunting for an odd one, personally. Rather than tanks, I've been searching for a good source of good heads for Marines. The Roman style with the horsehair crest, for instance. Any good plastic 28 mm historicals out there?
(Aside from Wargames Factory. Source of all things samurai!)
Not historical, but check out Anvil Industry. Roman-y bits galore (scroll down a bit)
www.anvilindustry.co.uk/Exo-Lords/Heads-helmets-crests
I really don't like leman russes but I haven't found a proper replacement that looks a bit chibi but not so deformed. But I think the russian tanks might work. Especially the KV-I tanks. And for 15 bucks I think I might give it a try. Also since they are russian, they are not as popular or as known as german/us/british tanks because of video games and movies. (at least from my part of the world)
I also saw a canadian vehicle that might work too, it's very simple as it doesn't have a lot of details on top so it's very good for converting. The bad thing is that it costs about 30 bucks which is not a good replacement haha
But, to me the winners are the supacats, there are like 4 variants and they look really cool. They would fit a desert themed AM army quite well I think.
nflagey wrote: Anyone knows, in terms of quality, of the details, ... how the different brands compare? Airfix, Revell, Italeri ...
In my experience, Hasegawa, Academy, Tamiya and Revell are all consistently good, Airfix it depends a lot on the age of the kit (some of them are really old, 30+ years, and really don't hold up well, but the newer stuff is great). Italeri are good from what I've seen, but I've heard some poor reviews of some of their stuff.
In general, stick to the well-known brands and you can't really go wrong, especially if you're looking for conversion fodder over exact historical accuracy (there's a whole market selling conversion kits for people who need the parts exactly right, so some kits and companies are sometimes a little off, but only if you're really obsessing over detail)
Forgot to ask a silly question: what are the well-known brands?
Revell, Tamiya, Academy, Dragon, and Hasegawa all have consistently good quality. In my experience, Tamiya are best for tanks, but Hasegawa often do large aircraft well.
Thanks Paradigm!
One thing that I like, from my novice's view point, is that Revell gives the dimensions of their kits on their website. This makes it much easier to find models to use "as" GW40k.
Remember you can calculate the dimensions of any historical scale model by dividing the real life size by the scale.
In other words, if a tank is say six metres long, it will be 17.1 cm long in 1/35th scale and 12.5 cm in 1/48th scale.
Not all the manufacturers are completely precise about all the measurements, which hardcore AFV modellers will mention in their reviews. But basically you won't notice the difference for wargames use especially if you buy all the kits from the same maker such as Tamiya or Italeri.
As for choice of scale, I prefer 1/35 myself but the increasing number of very nice models in 1/48 makes it a reasonable choice too. GW's models tend to be as wide and high as the 1/35 equivalent and as short as the 1/48 equivalent, so it is hard to get a really good match.
Jehan-reznor wrote: IMO 1:48 is to small for 40K they are ok for bolt action. 40K tanks and vehicles are so bulky that 1:35 is better at least for Space marines.
For Imperial Guard Some 1:48 scale models could be used, but to me they look to flimsy.
Definitely. It would take a truly large beast for it to work in 40k. I think the cold war era main battle tanks work good in 40k at 1:48, but only the largest ww2 tanks would work at that scale. For most you'll want 1:35.
But really, there's no reason to guess. Just look up the measurements of the actual tank, divide them by 48 or 35 or whatever and find out how big the model will be.
The Object 279 is crying out to be converted into a grav tank or hover tank, and the track units saved as bits for another tank project.
I like the light tanks though, especially if you buy them way out of scale, remove scale related detail and add extra detail. The further from 28mm scale the tank is the easier it is to disguise as something else.
This kit ought to be quite big even though the tank itself is tiny..
You could make a really good Malcador from the above kit, historic 1/16 light tank to 40K super heavy. This is good news as statswise some of the Malcador designs are worth fielding, especially the Malcador Defender.
I have an Object 279 kit. I was planning to build it with the tracks, but your idea makes good sense.
I could use the track units in my conversion of a 60cm Morser "Karl" Gerat 040. I was thinking how to put some additional track units in the middle of the hull.
Kilkrazy wrote: I have an Object 279 kit. I was planning to build it with the tracks, but your idea makes good sense.
I could use the track units in my conversion of a 60cm Morser "Karl" Gerat 040. I was thinking how to put some additional track units in the middle of the hull.
I was thinking the steel roadwheels would make a nice 'magnetic antigrav nozzles' if turned to 45 degree angle..
Just bought and assembled a 1/35 Zis-5 Truck and a 1/35 BA-10 armored car for my Genestealer Cult. The BA -10 looks PERFECT - could have been made for 40K. The truck on the other hand looks too big and off scale. The smaller doors and frame of the BA-10 make it right. I've wanted the Zis-5 for years and now it turns out to be let down alas. Wikkipedia has the dimensions of 99% of vehicles in a sidebar on the righthand side of the article if you need it.
Was there scale or specific kit issues with Zis-5 that let you down? I have a zvezda 1/100 one for 15mm gaming and thought it was a neat period truck. Is it just too old fashioned looking?
It's a bit small in length (3" instead of 3.5" to 4") and width (1" instead of 1.5" to 2"), but with a few bits added here and there, it should roughly match the size of GW model
the cannon that comes with it is also on the small side (2" long instead of 4", 1.5" wide instead of 2", ...) to use as a Mek Gunz or Big Gunz, but it provides a good chassis for those, and since I had some Kannon and Zzap Gun in my bit box, I may end up with a first Mek/Big Gunz for about a 1/10 of the price
Wheels that come in the kit are too thin, so I have to get some "orky" wheels instead
Also, the tracks on that model are such a pain!!! Tiny tiny pieces that holds together only with glue (no "snap-fit" type of thing) so I gave up on the track, which would have otherwise looked really nice
I will replace them with 2 large wheels and keep a 3rd one for the front ... warbuggy will be more like a trike
Not a very successful design, due to the long overhang at front and rear which made trench crossing very inferior to the British tanks. This lack of practicality, combined with the large. blocky proportions of the vehicle, make it potentially a good fit in an IG army.
http://www.hlj.com/product/tko2015 The British Mark IV "Tadpole". Unfortunately the picture will not give up its secrets for me.
The Tadpole was a kind of stretch version of the Mark IV, carrying a mortar on a protected deck between the rear tracks. Possibly the first armoured self-propelled artillery!
I can see this making a good conversion base kit or could be used with the mortar provided.
Not new strictly however I thought these sale items at Hobby Link Japan worth bringing to the forum's attention...
Kit Clac! is a series of simple snap fit model kits aimed at younger children, by Heller of France. I had not heard of it before as they are not sold in the UK.
The sale prices for these kits are very low so they may be worth grabbing "just in case". I am rather tempted to buy half a dozen because you can't go wrong for £2 a kit though of course there is also the postage to think about.
http://www.hlj.com/product/HEL52041/Mil Scorpion: a four wheeled armoured car. The display pic shows the sprues. The car's body is arranged across the short width of the box, so it must fit within 18cm and looks to be about 15cm long.
The range also includes a "Hawaian Cruiser" using the Fireboat hull, and various civilian vehicles and aircraft that might be of use in skirmish and RP games or for conversion fodder.
While browsing the site I spotted a couple of modern military kits on sale that may be of interest.
http://www.hlj.com/product/HEL81147/Mil VBCI is the French Army's 9-wheel armoured personnel carrier. This kit is a good buy too at Y2,100 but again stock is low.
HLJ seem to have changed to a site design that prevents the grabbing of the image URLs, so I was not able easily to bag pictures.
Problem with the Heller stuff is, no scale is mentioned. My brother had some of the older stuff and that was 1:72, chances are these are that small as well.
If you look at the size of the box, it gives you a clue to the size of the sprues. The boat's hull is nearly as long as the box. The armoured car's body length is nearly as wide as the box.
But for so cheap a price perhaps it is worth taking a bit of a chance.
Hobbyboss is a great company for 40k conversions. The kits are cheap yet of fine quality... Myself, I'm converting a 1/48 soviet KV-2 to a grot tank/gun battery.
I had not heard of this tank before. Apparently it was an on paper proposal only. The possibilities for 40K conversions are obvious though.
Actually, I have seen old black and white photos of the wooden model for the concept so the tank was paper, and also a wooden 3-d model, and that was as far as the PaKpFw-VII ever got.
It would make a nice super-heavy
Yeah and nearly everything on achtungpanzer is garbage
the above VK72.01 is a 100% fantasy tank made bei Wargaming for World of Tanks.
the article on achtungpanzer was changed a few months after the tank was seen in game to fit the new design
the only difference between the historical light and heavy loewe concept was a different frontal armour (increasing the total weight from 72 to 90 tons)
But the model is still a nice to make a custom heavy tank in 40k
kodos wrote: Yeah and nearly everything on achtungpanzer is garbage
the above VK72.01 is a 100% fantasy tank made bei Wargaming for World of Tanks.
the article on achtungpanzer was changed a few months after the tank was seen in game to fit the new design
the only difference between the historical light and heavy loewe concept was a different frontal armour (increasing the total weight from 72 to 90 tons)
But the model is still a nice to make a custom heavy tank in 40k
It was the link I had for the image of the "Light" Lowe whichh is laughable when the light version is 76tons, or would have been.
The heavy Lowe at 90 tons also insane these things would have been hard to support or pull for repairs back then, and today would be also a logistics nightmare, of course in the grimdark future, they have the capability to handle such things so yeah, and at the price just 40bucks, makes it reasonably priced. I may have to get on and mod it for my 40k collection.
Kilkrazy wrote: Not new strictly however I thought these sale items at Hobby Link Japan worth bringing to the forum's attention...
Kit Clac! is a series of simple snap fit model kits aimed at younger children, by Heller of France. I had not heard of it before as they are not sold in the UK.
The sale prices for these kits are very low so they may be worth grabbing "just in case". I am rather tempted to buy half a dozen because you can't go wrong for £2 a kit though of course there is also the postage to think about.
http://www.hlj.com/product/HEL52041/Mil Scorpion: a four wheeled armoured car. The display pic shows the sprues. The car's body is arranged across the short width of the box, so it must fit within 18cm and looks to be about 15cm long.
The range also includes a "Hawaian Cruiser" using the Fireboat hull, and various civilian vehicles and aircraft that might be of use in skirmish and RP games or for conversion fodder.
While browsing the site I spotted a couple of modern military kits on sale that may be of interest.
http://www.hlj.com/product/HEL81147/Mil VBCI is the French Army's 9-wheel armoured personnel carrier. This kit is a good buy too at Y2,100 but again stock is low.
HLJ seem to have changed to a site design that prevents the grabbing of the image URLs, so I was not able easily to bag pictures.
Update on the Kit Claq models.
Mine have arrived. The Titan armoured car hull is 13.5cm long and 6cm wide. The kit is very simple, with only four parts for the turret for example -- base, top, gun unit and radar aerial -- the hatches are just rough detail moulded on the top. The tyres have the inside wall missing. You would not notice this in normal play. For the discounted price I am very pleased with them -- bought three at about £2 each. It turned out to be a good gamble. I haven't opened the boat kit.
Most of the Heller kits are still available though no longer on sale.
Love that mortar. Perfect for a heavy mortar in a IG army. But most people would prefer something to use as a Quad Mortar alot of times. I wounder if dragon dose any of the WWII artillery that inspired that forgeworld modle.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: BOOM! Dragon is making ALL OUR DREAMS come true!
They're not making any of our dreams come true.... all of the kits are from Takom [except the French tank from Bronco] and DML had nothing to do with their development, they're just owners of one of the web stores stocking the kits in the US.
nflagey wrote: Anyone knows, in terms of quality, of the details, ... how the different brands compare? Airfix, Revell, Italeri ...
Of the lot Tamiya kits are well detailed, but not ridiculously so. Some Academy and dragon kits are also well detailed, but often come with tracks that are made of individual pieces which can be annoying to build. Italieri/testor's kits kind of straddle the line between Tamiya and the others. Airfix and Revell kits tend to be cheaper and less detailed and I consider Tamiya the lowest level that I want to buy. Once you build a Tamiya kit, though, you'll never want to spend money on another GW tank kit every again. They are just full of so much more detail that GW kits and are interesting to build as well, most are also designed to allow wheels and treads to roll freely when one controls their glue usage as well. Stepping up to dragon and then academy kits the detail just gets better, photo-etched brass becomes common and also milled metal pieces for barrels start becoming the norm as well. As a long term WWII buff I have been a big fan of 1/35 scale modeling for most of my life. I find the 1/35 scale kits to be slightly larger than some of their 40k counterparts, but their realism more than makes up for that. All of my IG armies have been full of 1/35 scale armor. My original armies focused on german armor, but my current IG/Chaos Renegades force combines US sherman variants for leman russ tanks, Italian semovente spg hulls and M13 tanks as my hellhound variants and the chimeras, basilisk and hydra are all based off of japanese type 85 chi-ha tank hulls. Not a single GW vehicle among the lot. I do have a shadowsword in the closet I plan to build as a stormsword most likely, and I also have a malcador defender tank from forge world. The malcador is pretty tiny for a super heavy, though and is about as big as my sherman leman russ tanks. Just love the more realistic look of the tanks, though, and the kits are so much better to build.
BrookM wrote: Airfix and Italeri are bottom tier kits in my opinion: poor tooling, kits that do not fit together well, horrid details.
Tamiya is affordable and accessible, plus easy to build.
Most people agree that Airfix quality varies quite a lot depending on the time of release. Their new 1/72 Lightning is the finest tooling of any scale or material although the old version was quite awful, for example, though modern Italeri usually gets ignored with the exception of some decent Italian subjects. Tamiya are of course easier to build than most other manufacturers and stocked in most places that carry modelling-related however most of their not ancient kits have every penny of the import costs included in the price so they can be somewhat overpriced for what you, though Tamiya sells mainly in Japan so they are very affordable to import from there.
Had a couple german horch staff cars for my old genestealer cult for use as cult limos. They were 1/35 as well, but that was the only way they looked big enough to actually hold more than a single genestealer or to hold the patriarch at all.
The AFV Technika section is mostly conversions (maybe totally) but it adds that little bit of extra something if you are using military models and want that extra bit of detail
http://www.blackdog.cz/
Lone Cat wrote: So many armor. but what about 28 or 30 mm 'heroic scale' small arms from 1914-1945 ?
Your best bet is 1/35 accessory sets, they usually have a lot of guns along iwth pouches, backpacks and such.
Dragon used to do a line of modern weapons, sprues of nothing but AKs, M-16s and MP5s but I haven't seen them in many years (luckyy I stocked up for my SWAT team IG which I never finished)
sing your life wrote: It's not coming in august... DML first released their Morser kit back in about 2003, they're just casting up some new copies of the kit in august.
Yeah but that's being a bit pedantic no? It's been OOP for a while.
BrookM wrote: 1:35 is all too big damn it! We need more 1:48 kits.
Don't. ...Just don't. Every day I go into a model shop I look at the 1/35th scale section which covers an entire wall and has anything any everything. I then look at the single shelf of 1/48th scale kits, the majority of which are WWII German stuff.
If you want something in 1/48th, and it isn't German tanks, then well you're stuck. There's the odd diecast out there, but its difficult to find what you want. and the quality and scale varies There's wargaming miniatures too, though again those are mostly geared to WWII vehicles and typically are only the well known ones (you wouldn't see most of the stuff posted in this thread...). Don't talk to me about finding modern vehicles...
Partly that's due to 1/35th seemingly being the scale of choice for modelers (read: not wargamers). Even mention in a model shop that you're using that 1/48th kit you found for wargaming and the staff turn their noses up at you. What niche 1/48th kits you do find typically are limited run resin ones which cost as much as GW tanks (which considering you can pick up 1 /48th scale Sherman for £10 is saying something). =P
...Yes, the subject does rub me a bit in the wrong way.
BrookM wrote: 1:35 is all too big damn it! We need more 1:48 kits.
Don't. ...Just don't. Every day I go into a model shop I look at the 1/35th scale section which covers an entire wall and has anything any everything. I then look at the single shelf of 1/48th scale kits, the majority of which are WWII German stuff.
If you want something in 1/48th, and it isn't German tanks, then well you're stuck. There's the odd diecast out there, but its difficult to find what you want. and the quality and scale varies There's wargaming miniatures too, though again those are mostly geared to WWII vehicles and typically are only the well known ones (you wouldn't see most of the stuff posted in this thread...). Don't talk to me about finding modern vehicles...
Partly that's due to 1/35th seemingly being the scale of choice for modelers (read: not wargamers). Even mention in a model shop that you're using that 1/48th kit you found for wargaming and the staff turn their noses up at you. What niche 1/48th kits you do find typically are limited run resin ones which cost as much as GW tanks (which considering you can pick up 1 /48th scale Sherman for £10 is saying something). =P
...Yes, the subject does rub me a bit in the wrong way.
You're doing it wrong.
1/43 is where it's at. I frequently go to Rite-Aid and buy $4-$5 die cast cars (i have a pretty big collection). Empress Miniatures has vehicles in this scale (1/43 or 1/48.. whatever, it's for 28mm gaming). Airfix has some but there are mixed reviews and there are a TON of aircraft in the right scale.
Since this is about 40k, you could very easily get 1/48 choppers for Valkyries or whatever, M113s or Humvees for transports.. or Bradleys even. M1 Abrams or Challengers are available in this scale too.. There are a few companies offering "technicals" and again Empress has some wheeled vehicles that would work as a Taurox or similar.
The problem is, the more modern vehicles for combat don't follow the same combat philosophy as the WW2 tanks that so much of 40k tanks are based on, so finding suitable analogs is tricky. Visit Amazon and ebay and try searches for 1/43, 1/48, and 1/56 (I think that's the other 28mm scale). There is a lot out there.
^^ I use the models for their original purposes actually seeing as I only play modern games. Aye when I day 1/48th that's the scale that the plastic kits come in, most die casts are either 1/43rd or 1/50th (though frankly they're made in whatever size will fit inside the packaging).
Heh, and don't talk to me about fething planes... Saying that though you're screwed if you want a drone in that scale oddly, but put that down to the wing span ...somehow.
Wyrmalla wrote: ^^ I use the models for their original purposes actually seeing as I only play modern games. Aye when I day 1/48th that's the scale that the plastic kits come in, most die casts are either 1/43rd or 1/50th (though frankly they're made in whatever size will fit inside the packaging).
Heh, and don't talk to me about fething planes... Saying that though you're screwed if you want a drone in that scale oddly, but put that down to the wing span ...somehow.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I think 1:35 is okay especially for space marines, the 1:48 scale hatches don't even allow a shoulder pad to go through.
Space Marines are pretty bulky so I would think it'd look a little better.. in some instances.
More and more I'm using less and less heroic scale, and even the ones I am using are nowhere near as exaggerated as GW models. Jehan to me it's like glasses.. once you switch over you're like "oh.. ohhhh.. how did I not see this" because your eyes have been trained to look at horrible proportions and clown shoes and believe that it's normal.
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cuda1179 wrote: I think that a 1/48 Osprey would look good as a Valkyrie, especially if you replace the rotors with jet engines or something.
A 1/48 Osprey is a really large model. Yes, it would absolutely work.. but it's big.. possibly on the waybig side.
The Mi-24 Hind is a good size, so are Blackhawks and Hueys. I bought this Jolly Green Giant super 53.. that thing is huge. It actually comes with a jeep and field artillery that fits inside it.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I think 1:35 is okay especially for space marines, the 1:48 scale hatches don't even allow a shoulder pad to go through.
Space Marines are pretty bulky so I would think it'd look a little better.. in some instances.
More and more I'm using less and less heroic scale, and even the ones I am using are nowhere near as exaggerated as GW models. Jehan to me it's like glasses.. once you switch over you're like "oh.. ohhhh.. how did I not see this" because your eyes have been trained to look at horrible proportions and clown shoes and believe that it's normal.
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cuda1179 wrote: I think that a 1/48 Osprey would look good as a Valkyrie, especially if you replace the rotors with jet engines or something.
A 1/48 Osprey is a really large model. Yes, it would absolutely work.. but it's big.. possibly on the waybig side.
The Mi-24 Hind is a good size, so are Blackhawks and Hueys. I bought this Jolly Green Giant super 53.. that thing is huge. It actually comes with a jeep and field artillery that fits inside it.
BrookM wrote: 1:35 is all too big damn it! We need more 1:48 kits.
Don't. ...Just don't. Every day I go into a model shop I look at the 1/35th scale section which covers an entire wall and has anything any everything. I then look at the single shelf of 1/48th scale kits, the majority of which are WWII German stuff.
Haven't you heard? Germans are the Space Marines of the military modelling world.
sing your life wrote: It's not coming in august... DML first released their Morser kit back in about 2003, they're just casting up some new copies of the kit in august.
Yeah but that's being a bit pedantic no? It's been OOP for a while.
Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
It's also looks lazy in my eyes, just slapping a heavy bolter or sticking a space marine into the cupola and calling it a Reichstag pattern Leman Russ or Bill-Hilly pattern ATV.
BrookM wrote: It's also looks lazy in my eyes, just slapping a heavy bolter or sticking a space marine into the cupola and calling it a Reichstag pattern Leman Russ or Bill-Hilly pattern ATV.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The whole idea of this thread is historical kits for 40k.. Which, for me, I extend that to all non-wargaming kits for any 28mm gaming. There are some GW guns that I do use for vehicles due to their size but largely I try to find things that are similar.. like a HMG for a heavy bolter or an anti-material rifle or maybe some light field artillery for an autocannon, etc.
BrookM wrote: $150 isn't a lot for a big kit like that.
Though I'm sure it won't live up to the standards of the serious modellers.
Coming from Dragon it certainly should live up to those standards. Their kits are highly detailed. I just can't imagine trying to find a space to display that monster. Hahahahaha
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BrookM wrote: It's also looks lazy in my eyes, just slapping a heavy bolter or sticking a space marine into the cupola and calling it a Reichstag pattern Leman Russ or Bill-Hilly pattern ATV.
Except it isn't lazy. Most 1/35 scale kits will have multiple times the parts than the GW tank kit they are being used to replace and take much longer to build, so it is a much bigger investment. I will add 40k parts in to some kits and all, but the primary reason I am using a sherman tank instead of a leman russ is because I specifically want it to look like a sherman tank and not a leman russ. So what you are calling lazy I am calling exactly what I want and the reason I am using a different kit to begin with.
Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
Modern Vehicles don't fit in the 40K universe if you use WW1/2 vehicles then 1:35 work well in 40K Bolt action vs stormtrooper
I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
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I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
The Tadpole variant is a little long. I use three Regular variants of the mark IV tank as Land Raiders in my armies. Dreadnought Lascannons work great in the sponsons. If you want Hurricane bolter Sponsons the Hurricane bolters from the Storm Raven fit perfectly.
Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
Modern Vehicles don't fit in the 40K universe if you use WW1/2 vehicles then 1:35 work well in 40K Bolt action vs stormtrooper
I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
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Look.. that's your opinion.. cool. I have mine.. I wish people would stop trying to tell everyone else how wrong they are :/ I don't like that look and I don't think 1/43 or 1/48 look undersized. We have different opinions. Easy Peesy
EDIT: And those two models might look different but A) the GW model is on a taller base and B)in person that difference is like.. a mm if that.
Kilkrazy wrote: 1/48 works well for aircraft because (1) they are so large and (2) it is the popular modelling scale so there is huge variety available.
1/35 works well IMO because 40K is a game of gigantism, also as mentioned above, 1/48 scale models are too small for GW figures.
I disagree with the exception of power armor. Power armor does look too large but otherwise I don't like the OMFG THAT"S BIG effect. Obviously a few others agree with me or we wouldn't be talking about 1/43, 1/48 and so on. Sure some light tanks in 1/35 look alright but things like a HUMVEE or M1 Abrams do not look right in 1/35 with 40k stuff of any kind IMO.
Modern Vehicles don't fit in the 40K universe if you use WW1/2 vehicles then 1:35 work well in 40K Bolt action vs stormtrooper
I use these for 40K size is ok (male tank is a little long though)
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Look.. that's your opinion.. cool. I have mine.. I wish people would stop trying to tell everyone else how wrong they are :/ I don't like that look and I don't think 1/43 or 1/48 look undersized. We have different opinions. Easy Peesy
EDIT: And those two models might look different but A) the GW model is on a taller base and B)in person that difference is like.. a mm if that.
Guess what sharing your opinions is what Forums are for, I wish people would not have different opinions than my own How about not taking every opinion that does not agree with you as a personal attack?
You could use Lego tanks if you want, but i would still voice my opinion on it.
So chill, it was just my thoughts on it.
sing your life wrote: Shame that no kit manufacturer has ever got round to producing the French BDR-G1B yet. It's basically a Leman Russ:
Suggest it to Warlord Games or Empress or one of the other 28mm gaming folks. I'm sure they would at least give it a look. Not sure what era it's from but it's worth a shot
In Wargame scale terms 1/35 would translate to about 50mm, though it close enough to 54mm to be relatively interchangeable.
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sing your life wrote: Shame that no kit manufacturer has ever got round to producing the French BDR-G1B yet. It's basically a Leman Russ:
Suggest it to Warlord Games or Empress or one of the other 28mm gaming folks. I'm sure they would at least give it a look. Not sure what era it's from but it's worth a shot
Warlord and Empress wouldn't be interested in making a WW2 paper tank [that the G1B is]. Most likely you'd see it as a 1/35 kit now WOT has made all these prototype vehicles the new cool thing.
Search for Company B. They make a load of obscure tanks from a load of periods. IIRC they have a suggestions thread over on the Lead Adventure forum on their Conflicts that Came from the Cold board. If your post gains enough traction they may sculpt one up and put out a limited resin run (their latest one was an Israeli Super Sherman/ Isherman).
As I am looking at using Death Korps of Krieg to potentially play in Warpath (however that turns out), I have picked up a bunch of 1/35 German WWII tanks. The scale is actually quite good on a lot of the smaller sized tanks like the Panzerkampfwagen III and IV series, and the StuG's, allowing a piece which is longer, but also more proportional and in scale than any of the GW tanks. I think they look a hell of a lot better, and are cheaper too.
Thus far I have a Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.E "Viorpanzer" superdetailed kit from Dragon, a StuG III Ausf.A (also from Dragon), Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind, a Self-Propelled Wespe Howitzer, 3.5cm PaK 35/36, 7.5 cm PaK40 and a host of add-on detail kits, weapons kits and extra's to add to them when I put them together. I will be down-scaling some of the Death Korps weapons instead of trying to up-scale the guns on the tanks to make them fit, because I think that looks ridiculous. Heavy stubbers will now be 1/35 MG34's and MG42's most likely, with heavy bolters likely to be the MG42 style guns that Dreamforge Games made for their troopers.
Oh and the best part is I got this lot for less than the price of me buying 2 Leman Russ battle tanks retail from GW. And they look a hell of a lot nicer to me.
I might use 1/35 Sd.Kfz.25 Hanomag Half-tracks as troop carriers, but it all depends on how Warpath turns out. There is a 1/35 scale model of the Sd.Kfz.254 which could quite nicely be used as a stand in for the GW Taurox. If you are wondering how well a kit would stand in for a GW model, go to the wikipedia page about the vehicle and it usually lists the length, width and height of the vehicles in real life. Then use a scale calculator (also found online) to see what dimensions it would likely have at 1/35. If you're in range, you're golden. Mostly you'll get the width and height right for medium WWII style tanks at 1/35, but the length will be longer. At 1/48 they'll be slightly longer, but a lot less wide or high. It's why I prefer 1/35, and also for ease of finding kits to use. Larger heavier tanks such as the German Tiger, King Tiger, Jagdpanther and Panther tanks are better to buy at 1/48 scale if you're looking to use them as Leman Russ replacements.
It's unlikely that Mantic will go for the Superheavy Vehicle route that GW has, but it would be so tempting to buy one of a 1/35 VK 45.02 (P) kit which you can get online for about $45. Madness to buy GW when something that cool is sitting right there at that price.
Take a look at the Trumpeter kits especially their german experimental or 'paper panzers' reasonable prices and the smaller vehicles really fit in well with 40k
I've been getting 1/35 Hanomags from Tamiya for my Traitor Guard. They're a little longer and more narrow than a Chimera, but seems to work out. Still haven't worked out a turret for them yet (plasticard and bits for the roof, of course). Might go with a remote control turret ala the Kurganets-25.
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Not Javelins - that vehicle is for detecting radiation and chemical weapons - those 'javelins' are actually flags that get deployed via an automated system, and are used to mark hazardous areas.
eddieazrael wrote: Not Javelins - that vehicle is for detecting radiation and chemical weapons - those 'javelins' are actually flags that get deployed via an automated system, and are used to mark hazardous areas.
Obvious javelins are obvious. Look how they're arranged. A squad disembarks from the back hatch when the primary gun goes empty, and each man takes a javelin as he exits. Modern javelins have depleted uranium tips, making them extremely effective against heavily armored foes like the Assyrians and Thracians.
It's a very early French tank and to my eyes an inspiration for the Leman Russ.
What's interesting is it is 1/12 scale. Now this is (obviously) a small tank in real life, but leave off the rider and you may have a pretty cool superheavy.
And this armored limo is on sale for $16. 1/35 so a bit big for a car (tanks can look fine at 1/35 but IMHO cars and trucks have too many things that show scale) still someone might be able to do something with it.
eddieazrael wrote: Not Javelins - that vehicle is for detecting radiation and chemical weapons - those 'javelins' are actually flags that get deployed via an automated system, and are used to mark hazardous areas.
Obvious javelins are obvious. Look how they're arranged. A squad disembarks from the back hatch when the primary gun goes empty, and each man takes a javelin as he exits. Modern javelins have depleted uranium tips, making them extremely effective against heavily armored foes like the Assyrians and Thracians.
Hmm. Apparently each flag, err, javelin is dispensed by a small electrically fired cartridge.. And they fold on top for transport.. so basically it's a gunpowder-operated multiple javelin thrower?
I agree that the Safari fantasy range is more for the other thread, I will point out that anyone who has not seen them in person, the dragons and giants and stuff are fine, but the people are all massive. If you want them to paint up as statues, they're great, but for 28-32mm gaming they are entirely too big.
Having done a 1/35 russian truck because I really like the style, I can say that unfortunately, unlike 1/35 armored cars, it is tough to get it to look right. Probably better to think of it as a 40K Semi than an every day truck.
I like the renault a great deal, though I fear the tracks would be crazy large in 1/16. I think the limo could do OK if it was lowered a bit. Its usually the height that gives 1/35 trouble.
If you want a rickety old truck, I have 2 of these. I bought them for Ork conversions a long while back. (Edit: I'm not advertising mine for sale, just endorsing this kit as being usable)
The size is good. The detail is kinda decent but don't expect miracles, the kit is super old. It's one of those kits that's been released and re-released time and again so you'll see it in a number of different packaging. One of the ones I bought was in a clear plastic bag like the 2 for $1 candy bags from a gas station.
MLaw wrote: If you want a rickety old truck, I have 2 of these. I bought them for Ork conversions a long while back. (Edit: I'm not advertising mine for sale, just endorsing this kit as being usable)
The size is good. The detail is kinda decent but don't expect miracles, the kit is super old. It's one of those kits that's been released and re-released time and again so you'll see it in a number of different packaging. One of the ones I bought was in a clear plastic bag like the 2 for $1 candy bags from a gas station.
Long OOP at this point, however there is a small chance Airfix may return it to limited production with one of their Kit-starters.
Pit Road make specialist WW2 naval models, at least that's how I am familiar with them.
The Girls Und Panzer series features Japanese schoolgirls fighting a kind of simulation battles with replica historical tanks.
This kit is one is a new series from Pit Road depicting a tank from the anime. You will see it is somewhat Super Deformed, therefore resembling a 40K vehicle more than a genuine scale historical kit would.
The scale isn't given but there are various 1/35th scale Girls Und Panzer girl figures available, so maybe it will be compatible?
Pit Road make specialist WW2 naval models, at least that's how I am familiar with them.
The Girls Und Panzer series features Japanese schoolgirls fighting a kind of simulation battles with replica historical tanks.
This kit is one is a new series from Pit Road depicting a tank from the anime. You will see it is somewhat Super Deformed, therefore resembling a 40K vehicle more than a genuine scale historical kit would.
The scale isn't given but there are various 1/35th scale Girls Und Panzer girl figures available, so maybe it will be compatible?
One to keep an eye on, anyway!
Any idea if they ever made a Renault Char B1 in this series? -I've seen one in the art for the anime.
It will look better with an underage school draped across it.
How do you now when a school is underage? And more important do you have a tutorial of how to mold schools across my tanks, seems like a cool thing to do to get autocover tho people might claim it's modelling for advantage.
M.
BTW, the school is modelled with our without pupils?
@aka_mythos, I picked this kit because I liked the picture, but Pit Road are doing some other tanks from the series. There are two up for pre-order, with release in Feb 2016. If they do well, then perhaps a Char Bis will be released.
Several companies are doing Girls Und Panzer tanks in 1/35 scale, but these are all accurate historical kits with a new box and decals.
If you are into the Girls Und Panzer, there are also some kits of the various teams in 1/35 scale, to add to your tanks.
Here are some kits I spotted on my regular fly-by reconnaissance of Hobby Link Japan. They are not all new, but I haven't seen them mentioned before, and I think they have potential applications in 40K and other 28mm SF games.
First up, a modern Merkava tank with mine-clearing rollers. These would make great Deff Rolla wheels for Orky vehicles. The tank itself is a very modern looking vehicle and I can easily imagine it converted to an anti-grav vehicle by replacing the wheels with some kind of suspensor pods or lifting vents.
FInally, also from Meng, here is a fun snap-fit kit with 40K style Super Deformed proportions. Very cheap and can be deployed quickly being moulded in two colours of plastic and supplied with digital camouflage stickers. It'snon-scale for obvious reasons but the box dimensions tell us the hull will be about the right size for 40K.
For some reason the image URL can't be got from the site.
I wonder if this could be the base for an Imperial shuttle or even a Wolf Fang or whatever they;re called. For $15 it seems it might be worth finding out.
I should pick up one of those Wolf Fang Talon Storm things one of these days, it almost looks like a usable model.
I love heavy artillery. The thing is that 40K model weapons are so oversized that a realistic scale gun barrel doesn't look that impressive. The carriage ought to be good.
Kilkrazy wrote: It's a pretty small tank IRL, woudl the kit be large enough for a Leman Russ?
I did the calculations and the tank scales to just about "6"x"3"x"3" in 1/35, which puts it at roughly the same dimensions (albeit 1/3 longer) as the "4.5"x"3"x"3" GW model for the Leman Russ.
I use Merkavas to VDR heavy tanks for my Astra Militarum army, along with Bradleys for IFVs to replace Chimeras. Tiger Model has just released some really good Panhard VBL models I'm going to use. I prefer 1/35 scale for my guys rather than 1/48. Academy, Tamiya, and now Tiger Model are my preferred brands, as they hit the trifecta of detail, availability and affordability.
I used the long tom to make some earthshakers and it worked very well! All I had to do was chop down the barrel slightly, build a blast shield, and put some armor on those wheels and it was a super easy and fun conversion! If I find a picture I will post it for you guys.
A 1947 Ford flat bed by a company called Jada. 1:27 scale.
Check out that overbite!
There's a couple of versions on Amazon for anywhere from $15-$60 plus shipping. The scale is completely wrong of course, but it's so, so pretty.
I can see it as an Ork battlewagon, an IG tank carrier, a wastelands truck etc. The main thing would be to cover or obscure the doors since nothing else really give it a sense of scale.
Or tank transporter, or build a little house on it for a mobile command center, or add a gun for mobile artillery, or sides for a troop truck/gun truck, yeah I see a lot of uses.
And apparently that's what they really looked like. Things just had style back then.
Everyone who thinks 40s trucks are awesome should google "Ford COE flatbed" and see the variety of "cab over engine" trucks they made in the 40s and early 50s.
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There's quite the variety. Though the last one is my favorite. Love the round grill.
Pit Road make specialist WW2 naval models, at least that's how I am familiar with them.
The Girls Und Panzer series features Japanese schoolgirls fighting a kind of simulation battles with replica historical tanks.
This kit is one is a new series from Pit Road depicting a tank from the anime. You will see it is somewhat Super Deformed, therefore resembling a 40K vehicle more than a genuine scale historical kit would.
The scale isn't given but there are various 1/35th scale Girls Und Panzer girl figures available, so maybe it will be compatible?
One to keep an eye on, anyway!
I bought this one and got it last week. I built it last Friday but was a bit disappointed with it. It isn't tall enough to replace a Leman Russ as I bought it as.
Kit itself is pretty basic, it's pretty much push fit though I did glue it and glue is recommended for some of the detailing parts like the cupola and escape hatches.
Interesting thing is you're not suppose to glue the track engine wheel or back wheel, what this means is the track actually rotates but as the rubber track is such a tight fit regardless you will break the plastic pin between the wheel and the chassi if you'd try to roll it on a table or something.
I also bought and got PLAMAX MF-01: minimum factory Nene
I've been gathering some different kits for possible 40K replacements but nothing has quite fit perfectly except for the 1/35 Japanese LAV from Tamiya which is pretty much identical to a Rhino in hight, length and width. Thinking of using the ones I got as replacement Immolators for my Sisters of Battle.
I'm going to start a replacement vehicle/model list where I show comparison pictures of kits vs GW kits as I've been unable to find a comprehensive list.
Not sure how I will finance it yet though as it could get very expensive fast, demo products, free models, donations of models or money for kits. Send me a kit, I'll build it, take all the pics I need and send it back to you. Whatever it takes to get it done, this is my next project unless I get hired by GW as a rules writer which I'm applying for this week (writing my resume right now). I doubt I'll get hired though as this seems like another fake advertisement like the CEO one was (under law they have to advertise the position even if they are giving it to someone internally. The only requirement to apply is a letter, just like the CEO job advertisement.
There's some very nice stuff upcoming in them. In particular lot of the inter-war tanks the latter are doing would fit in well with the imperial aesthetic.
Forgive me for not reading every page, but just in case it hasn't been mentioned, the 1/48 KV1 Kits that are made by Hobbyboss and Kitech (probably the same kit) are great Leman Russ proxies with almost the exact same footprint and a nice place in the front to put a hull mounted weapon. Even better they can usually be found from ebay sellers for about $15-20 shipped.
Not the most detailed scale model, but you don't want alot of breakable detail on a game model and it's at least as detailed as a GW model.
I wasn't the guy who built and painted them. He seems to think he bought himself some Academy kits. maybe he was mistaken. Given that he mentions the tracks being a pain, you're probably right. The Academy kits I've seen have very simple tracks.
sing your life wrote: Except you clearly agreed with him, as you also said they were Academy 1/48 kits, so I kindly pointed out to you they were were not.
I thought it was reasonable to take the word of the guy who built and painted the kit to correctly identify the maker. He was wrong and I passed along his account because hey, pretty pictures. I've already said that you're probably right given what he said about the tracks. If that's not good enough for you, I think you might be overly attached to being correct on the internet.
As you can see, it's a very small vehicle, somewhat similar to the US Ontos. The interesting things are the assymetrical layout, the elevating gun assembly with elevating commander cupola, and twin guns.
It would be about 12" long. I can see covered with bags and barrels with a turret or two for security. Or leave the top off and have a troop truck for a full platoon.
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But I think the curved, segmented look of the Hispano Suiza edges ahead.
That Suiza is beautiful. Looks like something from a Miyazaki anime (would look good along the Akuyaku Go 1 tank). I like it better than the uber-filigreed resin 40k limos we've been seeing produced recently. At $25 bucks it seems like a bargain also.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Some more retro-future tech if interested. 1:25 but easy to fudge the scale.
It would be about 12" long. I can see covered with bags and barrels with a turret or two for security. Or leave the top off and have a troop truck for a full platoon.
Seems pretty darn huge to me, but I could definitely use it. Painting the canopies as solid, adding some hatches and sci-fi bits on there, and possibly modding the wheels and it could be a possible affordable ($25 vs 80+) replacement for the Votoms AT transporter.
That would be a great centerpiece for a high tech world...
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Automatically Appended Next Post: ARmored cars look odd because the engines are so large compared to the interior volume they don't look like transports as much. The HS is not huge, but I'm not a fan of gigantic vehicles on the tabletop anyway.
Not to quote myself but I had a thought, paint the clear parts, add soem Valk engines and stubby wings, put thrusters in the wheel wells and you would have a nice upscaled Arvis lighter. Could probably hold 2 Rhinos or Chimeras.
Oh that's perfect. I've been scouring the web for a 1/48th armoured car like that. I'll take a few please. I used to have a converted 'Centaur' armoured car using the plans from the old Citadel Journal, no idea where it's gone (married, kids & moved house twice) That wagon is obviously what the guy in the CJ was trying to copy.
21st Century Toys has a line of diecast 1/48 scale tanks. Anyone know if these would be proper size for 40K? You can get them for as little as $5-8 +postage on ebay though the selection isn't that big, I've only seen 2 Marder III version and the German 38t. They also have a Hetzer in 1/32 scale but that one was more expensive.
I am thinking about using Marder III models for my IG as Basilisks and Medusas but not sure if 1/35 or 1/48 has best scale.
Careful with them as they aren't all the same scale but rather sized to fit in the box .some are nearer 1:72 and some are 1:50ish . Look for corgi legends range they are all 1:50 and cheap tho all undersized for 40k but perfect for bolt action and chain of command
TheWaspinator wrote: A slight detour into fantasy historical stuff: anyone have these castles? They seem potentially useful for Frostgrave / Mordheim style games.
Very interesting. At 1/72 (aprox 20mm) they would probably be too small for 28mm. However if the main gate is big enough, the crenelations are tall enough and you can modfiy the doors and hatches, there might be some promise. Here's a guy that used a 1/72 zvezda castle for 28mm.
http://rebelbarracks.blogspot.com/2015/04/castle-for-lion-rampant.html
Someone should start a 28mm compatible castle thread. There's a fair number of toys, kits and models that might have use.
I can imagine the Komet as a tiny one-Ork infiltration vehicle or something. It's a very small airplane IRL. You would have to cut back the upper fuselage and have the Ork pilot sit between the wings.
For extra komedy value, perhaps the Ork could 'wear' the jet like an ostrich costume.
A while back I found a 1/48 scale Komet in the local model shop. I bought it, assembled it, and it still looks tiny for 40K. I was planning on trimming the wings and making it into an Ork grot suicide rocket thing.
Even in 1/48 scale it is only 5 inches long and 7 inches wide.
CURNOW wrote: Careful with them as they aren't all the same scale but rather sized to fit in the box .some are nearer 1:72 and some are 1:50ish . Look for corgi legends range they are all 1:50 and cheap tho all undersized for 40k but perfect for bolt action and chain of command
This concept is true for a lot of things. I just did a road trip and it turns out, souvenir shops tend to stock "1/43" diecast cars. I bought up some here and there to add to my collection of those and it would seem that they tend to be scaled more to a box or specific length (seems to be 5" typically). For trucks this ends up making them 1/50 or so because they're long vehicles.
cuda1179 wrote: A while back I found a 1/48 scale Komet in the local model shop. I bought it, assembled it, and it still looks tiny for 40K. I was planning on trimming the wings and making it into an Ork grot suicide rocket thing.
Even in 1/48 scale it is only 5 inches long and 7 inches wide.
The problem is the hero scaling of 40k. I am working on a 1/32 Spitfire at the moment and the pilot is taller than an IG guardsman, but the guardsman is MUCH bulkier. But a 1/32 Spitfire is huge for 40k (350mm wingspan compared to ~270mm for a Dakkajet and around 280mm for an IG Thunderbolt).
I have seen aircraft conversions for Orks that uses (from memory) 1/48 kits and widens the fuselage to fit an Ork in. An ugly strip of metal running down the centre of the aircraft looks totally natural to an Ork.
I have a 1:48 scale Scud launcher from Arii that may be a better choice for alternate Deathwind missile launchers, though I think the kits are OOP these days.
BrookM wrote: I have a 1:48 scale Scud launcher from Arii that may be a better choice for alternate Deathwind missile launchers, though I think the kits are OOP these days.
Huh, my friend bought two of that kit at a toys fair a few weeks ago...
Um, he has a bit of a scud collection for Cold War gone hot games.
At 1:48 scale, while rarer, it does make for an easier to field model, as it's still a big melon-fether, I think at least two to three times as long as a Rhino or Chimera. I'll have dig mine out again one of these days.
BrookM wrote: At 1:48 scale, while rarer, it does make for an easier to field model, as it's still a big melon-fether, I think at least two to three times as long as a Rhino or Chimera. I'll have dig mine out again one of these days.
I don't know my Bolt action opponents may scoff when i put a scud missile launcher on the table
BrookM wrote: At 1:48 scale, while rarer, it does make for an easier to field model, as it's still a big melon-fether, I think at least two to three times as long as a Rhino or Chimera. I'll have dig mine out again one of these days.
I don't know my Bolt action opponents may scoff when i put a scud missile launcher on the table
They whine about everything if given half a chance ("Oooh-errrrr, I see you went with a lighter shade of dark yellow while during that month of the war they didn't have the right pigments and as such panzer painted then were of a slightly darker shade of dark yellow. Tsk!"), though if you're such a spaz to bring wrong era equipment to the table, you deserve it.
That Kustom Raider Coach is really tempting - unfortunately I think the scale is too much of an issue. It would be something like 9-11" long. It's really tempting though, at only $15. Add some turrets, more skulls, etc. and Cardinal Kolikov gets to ride in style! I might try to copy the design.
kestral wrote: That Kustom Raider Coach is really tempting - unfortunately I think the scale is too much of an issue. It would be something like 9-11" long. It's really tempting though, at only $15. Add some turrets, more skulls, etc. and Cardinal Kolikov gets to ride in style! I might try to copy the design.
Maybe the Munsters or Dark Shadows car, they're a bit more self-contained.
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Trumpeter is doing a 1/35 Russian coastal defense gun for $90.
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This may sound wierd, but I almost say the gun is seondary. That just looks like the amazing start to a Squat Land Train or similar huge imperial vehicle. A bit of rescaling of hatches and some walkways and you're there!
This may sound wierd, but I almost say the gun is seondary. That just looks like the amazing start to a Squat Land Train or similar huge imperial vehicle. A bit of rescaling of hatches and some walkways and you're there!
Some 28 mm WWII subs that would look nice as either terrain, or (like I might do) serve as the basis for a small 40k space ship. Apparently the word from the company is that when these become available they will be "amazingly cheap".
Empress minis has a new GAZ MRAP vehicle in their modern vehicle section. It is likely something a lot of people have been looking for. Unfortunately I'm too lazy to actually link it right now.
All that Empress and HLBS stuff will be too small for 40K, coming in at around 1/50 - 1/56th. You're looking at more of a large 1/48, but ideally 1/35 if you want to go for Warhammer's out of proportion size. That Tigr is barely larger than a Landspeeder (and there's no way a 40K model could even fit inside the doors).
Now having said that, there are 1/43rd diecast Tigrs available on Ebay - originally made by deagostini. They're also really easy to come by on Russian sites if you're willing to look.
Oh, for scale - here's a deagostini Humvee (converted obviously) alongside an Empress model - i.e. way too big, but much more fitting with 40K models:
I disagree but I really don't want to start yet another scale argument. To clarify.. the GAZ at least will be fine. IMO, when they made it, they oversized it a bit compared to the rest of their line. I have seen some builds of it and their M-ATV.. and they're beefy. Moreso than normal IMO. If people are only running heroic then yeah.. maybe it'll look out of place.. but this is all opinion. Most of my stuff now is closer to actual scale so it doesn't look that out of place.
Meh, not my money to waste. Unless you're using a guy who stands half a head or more shorter than a GW model, and a hell of a lot thinner; they'll be too large.
As a comparison, bearing in mind Empress model's are *really* tall 28mm, here's one besides a GW mini. You could fit maybe one and a quarter guardsmen in the front of that jeep. I suppose the filled in windows help a bit with how small it'll be and you can suspend your disbelief, but as I said: there's a 1/43rd one on the market which better fits GW scale (or lack thereof) - which also comes in cheaper than Empress'.
*Tau aren't perhaps the best race to use as a scale, as they themselves are smaller than Guard models by maybe a third of a head - and that guy has his legs splayed (as most GW models do...) whilst the Empress guy has a much straighter pose. FYI the Russian guy in the official Empress pic is himself taller than the regular Empress range (which drives me up the wall...). A Guardman's head would be around the top of that door's window.
Are we saying the GAS Tiger is, or is not a good scale match? Because if a Guardsman's head is roughly even with the top of the front window, then it's pretty much spot on.
My point is that pretty much all 1/56 scale vehicles are far, far too small for "heroic" scale. Imperial guard are both incredibly tall and wide when compared to the models which those are made for. Again, its not my money, but even the Tigr will look like a clown car with GW models.
Jebus just use what you like the look of there's no right or wrong . I use 1/48 form my ww2 Russian as they are cheap they look great and I use 1/56 tanks and lrdg trucks with my desert rats cos they are hard to find even when there on the table together you don't notice .
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also you can fit 20odd people in a mini !
Wyrmalla wrote: My point is that pretty much all 1/56 scale vehicles are far, far too small for "heroic" scale. Imperial guard are both incredibly tall and wide when compared to the models which those are made for. Again, its not my money, but even the Tigr will look like a clown car with GW models.
Well, the other side of this, is this is a thread about proxies for 40k.. Some of us aren't using GW infantry any more than we're using their vehicles.. so if you are then, yeah.. their gorilla like humans will possibly look funny in this sort of thing.
Even if they don't fit very well that might fit with the way the imperium works
the soviet BMP-1 is theoretically designed for 2 crew + 8 troops
(so that's what the imperiums STC would say should be used with it)
but it's so cramped in the crew compartment a number of armies that use/have used it have reduced the troop numbers carried to 7 or even 6 as with 8 they end up so cramped an exhausted from trying to avoid crushing/being crushed that their combat effectiveness is compromised
and that's with a bunch of their gear that's meant to be in the back too shifted to the hull outside to generate more space even if that means the turret can't traverse all the way round
(again if the STC said all the stuff should be in the back then that's what would happen even if it trashed the fighting power of the troops inside)
Meng do the Char 2C (largest and heaviest tank of WW2 which saw no real action). Perfectly sized for a conversion into an Imperium super-heavy (or any number of Ork vehicles) - it's only $40 on eBay.
It's big...like...real big:
^That's the crew. The tank had a huge motor in it, situated much like a submarine - there were engineer walkways alongside it so it could be serviced during action. Produced between WW1 and WW2.
Yep. Only rolled them out for propaganda films to show the "might" of the French war machine. Also, I must correct myself, as I think the King Tiger did outweight this buy a handful of tons. The 2C was between 69-75 tons.
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How about not taking every opinion that does not agree with you as a personal attack?
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