You heard that right, a 7th edition box set is coming for pre-orders, and has been seen in White Dwarf issue 24. That gives us pre-orders starting this coming weekend!
So who is it?......... Space Wolves vs Orks. Literally confirming that Space Wolves will be our next 40k codex. Looks like we will be getting our 7th edition mini dexes very soon. It makes sense with Dark Vengeance going away.
please remember that these are still rumors from someone that has seen the white dwarf for next week. Until we get more official information or videos on Monday these must remain as rumors.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
White Dwarf issue 24 has a Space Wolves vs Orks box set in it.
The cover has Space Wolves on it, and the exact quotations are Space Wolves vs Orks Boxed Set: Stormclaw.
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Alaric Prime is a planet sundered by war as the Orkish Hordes assail the last bastion of resistance, Sacred Mountain. Imperial Knights and Cadians regiments are all but defeated. Face Rippas death was exaggerated, Krom Dragongaze, a new special character for Space Wolves is set for epic clash as the second installment of Sanctus Reach continues.
Images hold 5 terminators, 1 special character-Krom Dragongaze, 5 Blood Claws, and 5 Grey Hunters.
10 gretchin, 1 special character-Grukk Face Rippa 3 Killa Kans, Ork Boyz
Malthor wrote: Here are some pictures of the two forces in the Starterset I saw on Facebook:
Orks
Space Wolves
In the Space Wolves picture it says on the bottom that the box indeed contains a small rulebook as well as a campaign supplement.
July 7
From Fulop78 on Dakkadakka.
I'm not sure if it's been posted already
box content:
1 x Ork force made-up of 5 Ork Nobz; 10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; and 3 Killa Kans
1 x Space Wolf force made-up of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators; 5 Grey Hunters; and 5 Blood Claws
2 x brand new plastic characters - Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa and Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules
for a price just a little shy of 100 euro
Oh and it's while stocks last.
Updated title to reflect the fact that this is a campaign box, not a starter.
azreal13 wrote: Oooh, an anonymous Faiet source, must be true!
Wait for Bell of Lost Souls to hop on the bandwagon...
That said, as bad as Faeit's track record is there are a few times where they get it right. But I guess that's bound to happen every so often when you're just a clearing house for rumormongers.
Ooh I hope the boxset has yet another SM captain with a sword in scabard.. or maybe a bolter pointed at the enemy and a raised power fist! I NEED a fourth one of those types of models.
for gods sake, can we PLEASE have new ork buggy models in this set. Is there an older one still in use? yes I know kit bashing, but I would like some new orkey driver models, and kit bashing with a newer updated set to start off with would be preferable anyway.
azreal13 wrote: Oooh, an anonymous Faiet source, must be true!
Wait for Bell of Lost Souls to hop on the bandwagon...
That said, as bad as Faeit's track record is there are a few times where they get it right. But I guess that's bound to happen every so often when you're just a clearing house for rumormongers.
Not only is it anonymous, it contradicts info from a monger with a (near?) perfect track record.
I always like to see new stuff, even when, as in this case, it is not relevant to me in the least (although getting a bit sick of Ork releases now if I'm honest) but I'm the living embodiment of skeptical wrt this.
azreal13 wrote: Oooh, an anonymous Faiet source, must be true!
wasnt it also an anonymous faiet source that said the starter set was BA vs Orks?
Maybe its blood angels vs space wolves with a Ork peace envoy trying to settle the dispute. Their might even be a way of winning without fighting the battle. Of course you'll have to buy the new kit to win, its a model of an Ork in a lawyer suit that looks like their lawyer from the chapterhouse case. You'll be suing for peace....or a piece of the profit.
azreal13 wrote: Oooh, an anonymous Faiet source, must be true!
Wait for Bell of Lost Souls to hop on the bandwagon...
That said, as bad as Faeit's track record is there are a few times where they get it right. But I guess that's bound to happen every so often when you're just a clearing house for rumormongers.
Blindfolded dart-throwing.
SW vs Orks would have me actually buying a starter though.
azreal13 wrote: Oooh, an anonymous Faiet source, must be true!
Wait for Bell of Lost Souls to hop on the bandwagon...
That said, as bad as Faeit's track record is there are a few times where they get it right. But I guess that's bound to happen every so often when you're just a clearing house for rumormongers.
Blindfolded dart-throwing.
SW vs Orks would have me actually buying a starter though.
If this happens, I will buy a set. I was going to get a Wolf Battleforce at some point to paint up as a small Wolf detachment (mainly to justify the set of metal Wulfen I have) but a starter with Orks would be awesome.
Given the source, I doubt it is true, but I would love to see this happen. And it would not prevent GW from putting out Black Reach with the updated booklet, it would allow for 2 different starters with 4 different armies in them, which people have clammored for.
Wow, there's a White Dwarf coming out next week! And it's got an article by Jervis in it! WOW! That's literally all this tells us.
Not being funny, if you're able to take a photo that clear of that specific part of the cover, you can take a pic of the whole thing!
On topic, I would be mildly annoyed if SW were in the Starter Set. A) It heralds a new SW codex, and with that will come an inevitable halving of the Grey Hunter box, and B) because some cheap, plastic and chapter-specific Blood Angels would have got the boys in red off the shelf and back onto the workbench.
On topic, I would be mildly annoyed if SW were in the Starter Set. A) It heralds a new SW codex, and with that will come an inevitable halving of the Grey Hunter box, and B) because some cheap, plastic and chapter-specific Blood Angels would have got the boys in red off the shelf and back onto the workbench.
Yeah, but who doesn't have 60 grey hunters already? Plus the starter would give cheap GH most likely anyways.
On topic, I would be mildly annoyed if SW were in the Starter Set. A) It heralds a new SW codex, and with that will come an inevitable halving of the Grey Hunter box, and B) because some cheap, plastic and chapter-specific Blood Angels would have got the boys in red off the shelf and back onto the workbench.
Yeah, but who doesn't have 60 grey hunters already? Plus the starter would give cheap GH most likely anyways.
I only have 30
The real loss would be that, to my mind, the SW pack is the best value MEQ kit on the market; for less than 1 (nice, but boring-ish) Tactical Squad, you get the full 10 guys, a plethora of options, more wolfy extras than you can shake a wolf- sorry, a stick- at, and it will be a shame that this will inevitably go to 5 man for the same price as Death Company or GK when they get updated and reboxed.
Snap-Fit GH will be nice, but they won't come near offsetting the sheer value, variety and usefulness of the Space Wolf Pack box.
On topic, I would be mildly annoyed if SW were in the Starter Set. A) It heralds a new SW codex, and with that will come an inevitable halving of the Grey Hunter box, and B) because some cheap, plastic and chapter-specific Blood Angels would have got the boys in red off the shelf and back onto the workbench.
Yeah, but who doesn't have 60 grey hunters already? Plus the starter would give cheap GH most likely anyways.
I only have 30
The real loss would be that, to my mind, the SW pack is the best value MEQ kit on the market; for less than 1 (nice, but boring-ish) Tactical Squad, you get the full 10 guys, a plethora of options, more wolfy extras than you can shake a wolf- sorry, a stick- at, and it will be a shame that this will inevitably go to 5 man for the same price as Death Company or GK when they get updated and reboxed.
Snap-Fit GH will be nice, but they won't come near offsetting the sheer value, variety and usefulness of the Space Wolf Pack box.
I can't believe you are moaning about GW doing something you just pulled out of nowhere.
On topic, I would be mildly annoyed if SW were in the Starter Set. A) It heralds a new SW codex, and with that will come an inevitable halving of the Grey Hunter box, and B) because some cheap, plastic and chapter-specific Blood Angels would have got the boys in red off the shelf and back onto the workbench.
Yeah, but who doesn't have 60 grey hunters already? Plus the starter would give cheap GH most likely anyways.
I only have 30
The real loss would be that, to my mind, the SW pack is the best value MEQ kit on the market; for less than 1 (nice, but boring-ish) Tactical Squad, you get the full 10 guys, a plethora of options, more wolfy extras than you can shake a wolf- sorry, a stick- at, and it will be a shame that this will inevitably go to 5 man for the same price as Death Company or GK when they get updated and reboxed.
Snap-Fit GH will be nice, but they won't come near offsetting the sheer value, variety and usefulness of the Space Wolf Pack box.
I can't believe you are moaning about GW doing something you just pulled out of nowhere.
Mod edit: Language, please.
Not moaning, just suggesting that it would be a bad thing that, given their previous business moves, is likely to occur. I'm not saying it will, and will be very pleased if it doesn't, but look at the pertinient facts:
The Dire Avengers were a 2-identical-sprue kit of Troops that was reboxed into a 5-man squad at only a marginally lower price.
Other variant SM Chapters have chapter-specific 5 man boxes rather than 10. BA have the Death Company, DA have the Veteran sprue and Grey Knights have the 5-man PAGK box.
Following those trends, and when you consider that the SW box is A) a 10-man set with 2 identical sprues and therefore easily halvable and B) GW have taken the idea that anything in Power Armour that isn't a Tactical Squad (or the Chaos equivalent) comes in 5-man boxes, it seems likely.
Again, I'm not complaining about it as it hasn't happened yet, but I imagine it will, and when it does, I will be disappointed.
Could be interesting. For me to buy a Space Wolves vs. Orks starter set, a lot would be dependent on the contents. I already have the Orks from 5 sets of Black Reach, and I'm slowly replacing them with Kromlech Orks, anyway. Don't have a Space Wolves army, but could be tempted into it if the right goodies are in the box. If there are, say, Ork buggies and/or big gunz in it, as well as some nifty Space Wolves stuff, I could see myself buying into it. Otherwise, no.
Strangely enough, I always like Space Wolves fluff, but was never really interested in playing the actual army. I think a good Blood Angels vs. Orks starter would have interested me more, but, again, also dependent on the contents.
Regardless, we'll know soon enough when the WD hits.
I call bs on this one. Would be great considering I just started my first every imperial army and its space wolves and I doubt I would have the luck to have both army's I have or am building in one box. It said nothing on that PIC of WD about any new starter set not even the supposed name of the box.
Just hope the space wolves release when it does come isn't as much a shambles as the work one
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's the WD in question:
Kinda dispels the whole new starter thing if they intend to do that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just re-read that rumor and it doesn't say starter. Just boxset. Interesting...
Even if it was a starter, I'm not sure that the quote from WD really dispels anything. GW would only ever reference current product even a replacement was a day away from being previewed.
The starter vs. box set distinction could point to a new approach of multiple quasi-self-contained mono-posed starter like products - which could actually be a very good idea. Price point is attractive and a great lure and in the end, you'll tend to splurge for the individual models (for which prices are going bonkers consistently now) anyway.
Seems like good business sense to do a few of those - Heaven knows every set of that type they have produced has sold in very substantial numbers.
Yeah I agree with Bolognesus, I believe that Warhammer starter sets of both stripes are particularly popular.
I know a fair few casual tabletop gamers, not heavily invested into Games Workshop games that have procured lorry loads of Dark Vengeance for the models alone.
We may see more themed sets that contain unique models, done well I'm sure it would interest a lot of people and prove pretty popular, though I won't hold my breath!
That sounds interesting; almost makes it sound more like a... not starter set but like a campaign box that has a small force built around a specific part of a campaign? Although didn't DV have that too?
azreal13 wrote: Oooh, an anonymous Faiet source, must be true!
wasnt it also an anonymous faiet source that said the starter set was BA vs Orks?
Maybe its blood angels vs space wolves with a Ork peace envoy trying to settle the dispute. Their might even be a way of winning without fighting the battle. Of course you'll have to buy the new kit to win, its a model of an Ork in a lawyer suit that looks like their lawyer from the chapterhouse case. You'll be suing for peace....or a piece of the profit.
While themed "campaign boxes" are a fantastic idea(and something that's been suggested for about the last ten years by folk on forums but whatevs), come on, you know they'll end up being "Super-Special-Ultra-Awesome-Limited Edition buy now to avoid disappointment 2000 copies worldwide!" given GW's behaviour of late.
And before anyone posts "duh, that's stoopid, why would GW pour all that money into making moulds for plastic starter sets and then make them limited and throw it away after?"; A - Space Hulk, B - we may be getting excited over nowt and, if they do make them at all, they'll use existing plastics.
C - Dreadfleet, a product that, if rumour is to be believed, had copies destroyed rather than discounted or left to hang around and devalue the whole "ooh, limited, shiny, quick-quick" sales strategy!
azreal13 wrote: C - Dreadfleet, a product that, if rumour is to be believed, had copies destroyed rather than discounted or left to hang around and devalue the whole "ooh, limited, shiny, quick-quick" sales strategy!
Wow... I don't doubt that's true; would be right up their alley.
I think part of the problem is that a "campaign pack" is going to not have a lot, it'll have some basic units or whatnot but it's not going to be very much (naturally). I do think that doing multiple campaign packs to get a variety of armies with "starter sets" would be a good idea, but it's doubtful that GW would do that. If it's $99 like DV though and has some cool looking new Wolf and/or Ork models, I could see it being worth buying since the boxed sets tend to be pretty good deals overall (albeit unbalanced in favor of the Imperium most of the time), but if it's something like a few hundred or more for some Limited Edition bullgak that just bundles a bunch of stuff together and maybe throws in an Ork special character (the one named above) then feth that.
In all honesty, this is something I can see GW doing a lot in the long run, and keeping doing it rather than having them as ltd editions. The starter sets have probably been among the best selling kits, as people buy them for all sorts of reasons, so doing a series of simple, unique sets with exclusive dataslates could essentially be 'add-on' sets that add rules and models to the game and range.
At least, I hope so. Regardless of what it means for SW afterwards, this could be pretty cool...
Space Rednecks? Man, that is a huge disappointment. If it was nearly any other SM chapter, I could work around it, but SW are pretty busy with their own iconography.... I guess we'll see if this one is true or if it's Blood Angles as some rumours from before indicated...
Could end up being a much rawer deal than people are expecting. Could just be an overpriced campaign book bundled with one or two exclusive plastic characters.
If this is the start of a trend for having multiple monopose/good value starters available, that are linked to wider campaigns I'm all for it. I've bought every starter set,and would probably buy most future ones as the long as the value stayed the same. With the space that will be available on the racks in GW stores after the Hobbit departs, and GW's introduction focused selling, it makes sense.
If they are just megaforces with two armies of existing models and a bonus exclusive character (similar to the recent Ultramarines set with the Terminator Captain), I'll pass.
catharsix wrote: Space Rednecks? Man, that is a huge disappointment. If it was nearly any other SM chapter, I could work around it, but SW are pretty busy with their own iconography.... I guess we'll see if this one is true or if it's Blood Angles as some rumours from before indicated...
-C6
Well, the Dark Angels got their iconography encrusted models in the last Starter, and Blood Angels got theirs in Space Hulk, so it's the Wolves turn.
Honestly I could care less what the starter set has in it i just really hope that the blood angels get their codex sooner rather than later, and by no means am I saying space wolves don't need a codex either I just think blood angels need an update more.
midget_overlord wrote: I'm up for a different themed starter set every 2 years, they could really cater to a lot more armies than they have in the past.
I don't feel the same way for 100$ rulebooks, I have yet to buy the new one, and only plan on getting the small one from this box set.
I was actually going to buy the book the same weekend this is supposed to come out. Going to play the wait and see game.
catharsix wrote: Space Rednecks? Man, that is a huge disappointment. If it was nearly any other SM chapter, I could work around it, but SW are pretty busy with their own iconography.... I guess we'll see if this one is true or if it's Blood Angles as some rumours from before indicated...
-C6
Well, the Dark Angels got their iconography encrusted models in the last Starter, and Blood Angels got theirs in Space Hulk, so it's the Wolves turn.
Fair enough, but I think that the SW iconography, etc. is of the kind that you can't really just file off a wolf-head logo here and there. Their design is pretty comprehensive, severely limiting their use as non-SW (though the comprehensiveness of their look I could see as a strength, if I liked their look).
Scrub wrote: Yeah I agree with Bolognesus, I believe that Warhammer starter sets of both stripes are particularly popular.
I know a fair few casual tabletop gamers, not heavily invested into Games Workshop games that have procured lorry loads of Dark Vengeance for the models alone.
We may see more themed sets that contain unique models, done well I'm sure it would interest a lot of people and prove pretty popular, though I won't hold my breath!
Yeah and me, I spend feth all on minis, but I always love their box sets. I think I have bought about 200 bucks worth of stuff the last few years, but id be all over another box set like a tramp on a bag of chips.
I always like seeing all the new models and fluff and such, I have never been disappointed with them. AOBR, BFM, and DV were all good, plus they are the only good value things that they sell!
I disagree that Blood Angels got theirs in Space Hulk, but I would say it's fair to have SW's in a boxed set. I don't care for a few of the heads with crazy hair in the Wolves’ boxes, but that's my only complaint with them. The last couple of boxed sets have great miniatures mono-pose or not, they mix in with the other Marines quite well.
I am disappointed that BA's may not be the next thing, I've been waiting on a Codex for a while, but as long as I can still play them I'm quite happy.
I remember someone said this boxed set may have loads of terrain or some such, now that would be a bonus! With the unbound rules, a few squads of Wolves would be welcome in my army for sure! Worth having if it's true!
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Kirasu wrote: Ooh I hope the boxset has yet another SM captain with a sword in scabard.. or maybe a bolter pointed at the enemy and a raised power fist! I NEED a fourth one of those types of models.
He will have a furr cape instead of a cloth cape, so it will be okay...
That is my worry. My second worry is that it will be a box set with an LE warboss AND a single new Space Wolf alongside a bunch of models I already own. For $300.
I'd be surprised if they put the big character for the campaign in a big expensive box. But you never know these days.
And with the name Swiftclaw, I assume they'll be some new SW figure. I'd rather not, because new SW is tempting. Old models only are not. I'd rather not be tempted unless the treasure is worth it.
Even though I'm almost all sold off now, I was really hoping to get a good deal on some Blood Angels to paint up. As a previous Wolf player, I never want to paint another skull held on by bailing wire or another wolf cloak. Blood drops are A-Okay by me in comparison!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Honestly I think the box will be regular miniatures for a regular price + this new Warboss guy.
I guess we'll see pretty soon.
That would be disappointing.
I'm hoping for something more. As much as everyone mocks "forging a narrative" for hand waving away rules holes, if we start seeing some consistent non-Ltd ed campaign support I'd be much more inclined to buy in to it as an earnest direction.
More than existing miniatures re-packaged, which is what HBMC is suggesting, yes.
It's not clear is this a 'starter set' in the sense that we've seen since 2nd edition anyway.
I guess that's what I mean by more, new miniatures and a new approach to supplements/ release cycles.
More than existing miniatures re-packaged, which is what HBMC is suggesting, yes.
It's not clear is this a 'starter set' in the sense that we've seen since 2nd edition anyway.
I guess that's what I mean by more, new miniatures and a new approach to supplements/ release cycles.
If it's still DV, then I expect a repack. Otherwise, I believe we'll see new sculpts as the last few starters have been that way.
Bah, those are just the same plastics we have now except for the character. So basically it's just a SW boxed set or maybe a SW/Ork combined boxed set with existing models but a new character model leading each army.
Gargskull wrote: This has definitely piqued my interest, a new starter with a cheap rulebook and some more orks is just what I was hoping for.
Well, it looks you won´t get it. Seems like this will be just like the Strike Force Alpha: a set with a bunch of old models and one new character model, just this time with two forces: Wolves and Orcs. I doubt this will be some kind of starter with a rulebook...
I am disappointed. Since Blood Angels were my very first army when i started all those years ago, i had high hopes for some really great individual sculpts like those in DV. I intended to use those for a compeltely fresh start for a new BA army :/ And i get this half-assed Wolves Pack instead. Dang^^
But i guess wait and see what really is included. And on the longer run, wait for the new BA codex and what new models they will get. I am hoping for new sculpts of Mephiston and Dante, myself...
Hmm... I want to say that I'd love new space wolf models and would be all over that, but then I was excited about mega nobs and really didn't like when we got there.
Ok, so there is a new Wolf commander - [Something] Dragongaze from the looks of that cover. Ok. Him and the Warboss will be the only new minis in this box.
Breotan wrote: The last two didn't have vehicles in them, did they? (I'm not counting the dreads as vehicles for this question)
So? This isn't a new starter box. It's a campaign box, whatever that is, so prior formats of other types of boxes don't mean much.
Woah woah woah... thou shalt not take Crom's name in vain.
"Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!"
Did the Ultramarines Terminator bundle with the unique captain offer any savings? If so, it's not unreasonable to assume these might. On the other hand, if it didn't, then these probably won't either.
xowainx wrote: If this is the start of a trend for having multiple monopose/good value starters available, that are linked to wider campaigns I'm all for it. I've bought every starter set,and would probably buy most future ones as the long as the value stayed the same. With the space that will be available on the racks in GW stores after the Hobbit departs, and GW's introduction focused selling, it makes sense.
If they are just megaforces with two armies of existing models and a bonus exclusive character (similar to the recent Ultramarines set with the Terminator Captain), I'll pass.
H.B.M.C. wrote: At least it's not Wolf Wolfgaze, armed with his Wolf's Head Axe, Wolfstone Power Armour and Wolf-Fang Talisman.
Its TalisWOLF actually!
I'm always interested in seeing new Ork stuff but for all the nice new stuff, GW always seem to get something not fully right recently so I'm becoming slightly jaded.
Just things like producing a great looking Terminator Captain but only making him (initially?) available as part of an expensive box set of existing minis. hence no sale for them as I'm still using the one I bashed up from a Black Reach Terminator and some contents from my bits box.
Space wolves are the next codex, no doubt about it. The sanctus reach vol.2 will be a boxed campaign set with two characters (Krom Dragongaze and Face rippa) along with a small force for each one, data slates and scenarios.
It was about time, now its our turn to get updated.
Wolves needed an updated badly, and they are next in line to get one, so is definately fair to be them, the next codex and not the BA.
I cant wait until the middle of august
It wont have a rule book. Its not a starter set. It will have data slates for models, new scenarios/formations but no rule book.
Thats my guess . I hope i am wrong
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there is only time in the release schedule for space marines.
Who do you think should have been next ??? Tyrannids - astra militarum - Orks, i dont see any marines in there.... Common dont be unfair
Would be nice if DE got an update or Sisters finally getting a release instead yet another flavor of marines that gets crap shoehorned into it to justify them being a separate army.
It was a loyalists turn to get updated and SW were the most outdated of the remaining ones. DE were one of the last 5th edition codexes so they had to wait. Sister got an update (not a hardback one,still better than nothing) and who the hell plays sisters anyway . GW made a favor to the remaining sister players to give them something , instead of withdrawing the army completely cause i dont think it should have a separate codex (lack of fans).
It was a loyalists turn to get updated and SW were the most outdated of the remaining ones. DE were one of the last 5th edition codexes so they had to wait. Sister got an update (not a hardback one,still better than nothing) and who the hell plays sisters anyway . GW made a favor to the remaining sister players to give them something , instead of withdrawing the army completely cause i dont think it should have a separate codex (lack of fans).
There wouldn't be a lack of fans if they would have bothered to actually keep the model line updated, they are still lacking basic plastic troops for feth sakes. Anyway on SW, while I feel the various SM chapter should get attention it shouldn't be at the cost of entire other armies getting neglected for years cause yet another marine army is being updated. However, since we just had 3 non-marine updates in a row and GW current release schedule is way faster, it should be fine. Though I am worried about what stupid new unit/fluff will be in the book. SW already have some of the worst background out of the marine chapters, and GW thinks that the word wolf must be spammed at all cost.
And if there aren't any rules, I'll just buy the character of ebay, yes he'll be over priced but currently building a 30k army as I already own a great company worth of models.
That guy does look pretty cool, I have to admit. Ironically my issue with SW is the same as every other Marine; it's the furthest thing from "forge the narrative" to have two Imperial armies fight each other.
WayneTheGame wrote: That guy does look pretty cool, I have to admit. Ironically my issue with SW is the same as every other Marine; it's the furthest thing from "forge the narrative" to have two Imperial armies fight each other.
Actually, SW are one of the easiest to justify in that regard. They've killed Inquisitors face-to-face, blown up Ecclesiarchy battle fleets that came to close, and almost gone directly against the Grey Knights on Armageddon. They have their ideals, and their way of doing things, and if anyone gets in the way they get beat down, Imperial or not.
WayneTheGame wrote: That guy does look pretty cool, I have to admit. Ironically my issue with SW is the same as every other Marine; it's the furthest thing from "forge the narrative" to have two Imperial armies fight each other.
Actually, SW are one of the easiest to justify in that regard. They've killed Inquisitors face-to-face, blown up Ecclesiarchy battle fleets that came to close, and almost gone directly against the Grey Knights on Armageddon. They have their ideals, and their way of doing things, and if anyone gets in the way they get beat down, Imperial or not.
Some of the fluff for them is great. They really don't want people poking their noses into their own businesses. Space wolves are one of the chapters that need their own book imho as they are organised so differently from the other marine armies, it would be more difficult to put them in with ultarmarines. If you think about the units they have (thunder wolves, normal wolves, blood claws, lone wolves etc) there are far more 'specialist' and don't really fit with other marines
lonewolf81 wrote: Who do you think should have been next ??? Tyrannids - astra militarum - Orks, i dont see any marines in there.... Common dont be unfair
MaxT wrote: Have you been asleep for the past 6 weeks? Unless Orcs have been retconned to some kind of SM chapter
Could be first box I can use everything in it Hope for something good in the box hoping orks buggies and a wolf flyer (yeah right) anything but a dread is fine
Well, looks like a mix of old and new models, most likely just the characters being new.
Don't have much hope for a discount on the bundle, but hey, GW did crazier things. Got myself a bunch of Wraith things from that bundle they did some time ago.
His Master's Voice wrote: Well, looks like a mix of old and new models, most likely just the characters being new.
Don't have much hope for a discount on the bundle, but hey, GW did crazier things. Got myself a bunch of Wraith things from that bundle they did some time ago.
The "one click collections" haven't saved a penny, but a ton of other bundles they've done (12 boyz and a trukk, the big Terminator strikeforce) have come out recently and saved a healthy amount of money. I wouldn't be too surprised if this had a bit of a discount too.
This is kind of a first for them, isn't it? A non-starter box set with two armies in it? I think Epic had something similar (and their board games of course) but this seems unprecedented if it's not a new starter.
If the Termy box did have a saving then it seems likely this will too. It is unprecedented, but it makes sense, as it does lower the entry cost a bit if two players can split it, so it works out maybe less per player than the alternative, the Strike Force type boxes.
One thought that did occur to me is that if DV has vanished, is this GW's new approach to 'starter sets'? Campaign themed sets that have enough for two players, no rulebook and with normal models? Part of me wonders if they are trying to move away from the snap-fit models in a petty attempt to cut down on the 3rd party resellers splitting DV boxes. It seems the GW thing to do to cut down on the availability of cheaper models so people (in theory) buy more from them.
What if it's another starter box? I.e. it's basically exactly the same as DV, just with two different armies. It makes sense from a financial point of view as, for most people, a starter set is an attractive purchase they're just put off by being burdened with armies they dislike. Having two (or several) starter sets with different combinations of armies would sell more starter sets overall, especially considering there'd be plenty of people who'd buy more than one.
The Shadow wrote: What if it's another starter box? I.e. it's basically exactly the same as DV, just with two different armies. It makes sense from a financial point of view as, for most people, a starter set is an attractive purchase they're just put off by being burdened with armies they dislike. Having two (or several) starter sets with different combinations of armies would sell more starter sets overall, especially considering there'd be plenty of people who'd buy more than one.
It's possible, but you'd think they'd show off the new models (not just one) on the WD cover, whereas those GH are the normal plastic ones. I agree it would make sense, which is exactly why I can't see it happening. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.
His Master's Voice wrote: Well, looks like a mix of old and new models, most likely just the characters being new.
Don't have much hope for a discount on the bundle, but hey, GW did crazier things. Got myself a bunch of Wraith things from that bundle they did some time ago.
If it comes in its own box? It will have a discount.
If it's just a collection of loose boxes/"one-click bundle"? No discount.
Ahhhh! What I feared...a big expensive box with one new model (that I care about). And even worse, the model looks pretty great. Hopefully, Grukk is included and I can split the misery of buying a bunch of stuff I already own.
Nice catch on the throwback to the 2000 Codex artwork. Wolves went 9 years between early 3rd and 5th edition Codicies.
Does anyone remember what the Dark Vengeance White Dwarf cover was? Was it just the one with the Dark Angel with a bolter and chainsword artwork?
I know it's very unlikely if it's a new starter set to have normal Grey Hunters with a new character on the front but maybe isn't necessarily proof that it isn't a starter set?
swalker91 wrote: Does anyone remember what the Dark Vengeance White Dwarf cover was? Was it just the one with the Dark Angel with a bolter and chainsword artwork?
I had look and it's the same Dark Angel artwork as was in the Company veterans section of the new codex, but on a white background.
I prefer the old WD covers, they look better than pictures of miniatures and huge plain text on the newer covers.
I looks weird to me that they release a box of old SW just before a presumed codex release.
Crom Dragongaze is the wolflord that is rumoured to have some psychic powers according to the fluff.
Could this be a stop gap for SW, fixing their recent rune priest nerf, because they are not relly in for a new dex this year?
Edit: hey, its not krom Im thinking about, its kjarl. Sorry about that.
Hmm... That is interesting... Since my own SW army is painted up as Krom Dragongaze's Great Company, that might actually tempt me to buy some GW stuff again. But, if that character is only available in a larger boxed set, I may be looking more towards eBay than retail...
Be interesting to see, however, if the Great Company iconography is just painted on or if it's sculpted. I could certainly see reasons for GW to go with the former over the latter but that would make it less interesting to me.
This seems like a good move on GWs half, put 2 popular armies together in a box, give them so fluff and extras and it can appeal to many players, I reckon we'll see more of these such as Nids against IG as a last stand style thing, chaos marines against standard space marines and maybe an Elder against Dark eldar?
Depending upon the price, I might have to get this Space wolves vs orks one, mainly because that captain is a pretty swish model... All depends on price though
WayneTheGame wrote: Ironically my issue with SW is the same as every other Marine; it's the furthest thing from "forge the narrative" to have two Imperial armies fight each other.
Every faction of humanity distrusts every other faction of humanity.
Space Wolves are not only a monstrosity of genetic tampering, they are mutated, and refuse follow codex astartes.
I would like to see this along side other starter sets so people have more options for getting into the game. I doubt I would ever buy enough models to have a usual game size force from GW going forward but I could see myself buying a starter set or two as time went on for some nice models to paint as long as they are from different armies. Especially for use with Kill team rules.
Wasn't there a rumor that the new "starter boxes" wouldn't contain a full rulebook? Maybe that's what this is. I have to say the idea of a "Campaign Box" is interesting, just the way GW operates with 40k it doesn't seem that it can work, because they can't give you enough to do the campaign in the box so it has to be enough to whet your appetite, with the idea that you'll be hooked on the armies and buy more.
If we are convinced this isn't a new starter box, can we change the thread title in the OP so people stop popping in thinking it's about a starter box ?
I don't have an interest in anything but the mini-rulebook, but I believe that it's a GREAT move if they have Dark Vengeance and the SW vs. whatever boxed set on the shelves at the same time...
Davor wrote: Updated. After reading more, not so sure it's a starter set. Still left start set in brackets, because of the rumors I quoted from Natfka.
To me it seems it's a boxset set. May or in my opinion no rule book in it. Might be nice if we can get some savings, and looking forward to more.
Alaric Prime is a planet sundered by war as the Orkish Hordes assail the last bastion of resistance, Sacred Mountain. Imperial Knights and Cadians regiments are all but defeated. Face Rippas death was exaggerated, Krom Dragongaze, a new special character for Space Wolves is set for epic clash as the second installment of Sanctus Reach continues.
See? GW doesn't need to ever make new models for IG infantry because Cadians defend EVERYWHERE in the Imperium, I mean it's not like their primary purpose is fighting at the Eye of Terror or anything or that other sections of the Imperium have their own-non cadian regiments
Clearly Cadians are a mutant strain of Orkoid life, changed to look and act more human. They still multiply via spores though, and this explains why they are everywhere.
tomball0706 wrote: Depending upon the price, I might have to get this Space wolves vs orks one, mainly because that captain is a pretty swish model... All depends on price though
Agreed, the captain looks awesome. As someone who likes to get the unique Space Wolves minis and has been waiting for a mini-40k rulebook, this basically secured a purchase from me (as long as the starter set isn't like $200 anyway). I'll have some Orks for casualties and/or to sell too to make back some of the cost.
tomball0706 wrote: Depending upon the price, I might have to get this Space wolves vs orks one, mainly because that captain is a pretty swish model... All depends on price though
Agreed, the captain looks awesome. As someone who likes to get the unique Space Wolves minis and has been waiting for a mini-40k rulebook, this basically secured a purchase from me (as long as the starter set isn't like $200 anyway). I'll have some Orks for casualties and/or to sell too to make back some of the cost.
If the Grey Hunters are new I'll buy it. But if they stay the same I probably won't. I'm a Ragnar man.
tomball0706 wrote: Depending upon the price, I might have to get this Space wolves vs orks one, mainly because that captain is a pretty swish model... All depends on price though
Agreed, the captain looks awesome. As someone who likes to get the unique Space Wolves minis and has been waiting for a mini-40k rulebook, this basically secured a purchase from me (as long as the starter set isn't like $200 anyway). I'll have some Orks for casualties and/or to sell too to make back some of the cost.
I am guessing there is no mini rule book in there.
It's not a starter set. GW is releasing box sets to coincide with the new campaign releases. If you look at the white dwarf cover that I posted it's described as a box set.
Random Dude wrote: It's not a starter set. GW is releasing box sets to coincide with the new campaign releases. If you look at the white dwarf cover that I posted it's described as a box set.
Don't GW refer to DV as a "boxed set" too?
I've always heard the starter sets referred to as boxed sets, going right back to when I started in 2nd edition.
Granted, I don't think it is a new starter set, because the more logical thing would be to show new snap fit models instead of the old multipose ones. But I could definitely see them selling the new starter set as a campaign set and rulebook in one. That's basically what they already do. They'd just include a mini rule book and also a campaign book.
Random Dude wrote: It's not a starter set. GW is releasing box sets to coincide with the new campaign releases. If you look at the white dwarf cover that I posted it's described as a box set.
And...?
They don't really describe things as "starter boxes". Island of Blood was referred to as "the Warhammer boxed game" and Dark Vengeance was the same just referred to as "the Warhammer 40,000 boxed game".
If its a deal like the Termi captain, I might get an Ork one for the Warboss, as with three Clans to add boys to, I can't really have too many doubles.
Although in that case I have zero interest in buying a expensive Wolf one for the Space Wolf figure.
If's a Starter set like the Dark Angel one, I'm not sure, Space Wolves are an army I have owned three times now before selling them off for other projects. If I brought a box for a load of Orks, and it came with Space Wolves, it might just lure me into making another Guard ally force.
If the Ork side really is a Warboss, some grots, some boys and some killa kans, that's pretty much every bad unit in the codex in one set. A perfect bunch of whipping boys for the Imperials to demonstrate their superiority over.
Perfect Organism wrote: If the Ork side really is a Warboss, some grots, some boys and some killa kans, that's pretty much every bad unit in the codex in one set. A perfect bunch of whipping boys for the Imperials to demonstrate their superiority over.
I wonder if that would prove they do things on purpose.
I play both of those armies, so I will definitely be getting a copy of the new box set.
Given the quality of recent codices I'm not sure I want a new SW codex. As a Tyranid and IG player, I feel like I've been put through enough abuse for now
All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.
Wonder if it will be like the old expansions (dwarf,undead and Orc ones) that had a scenario and some cardboard scenery. So you get a couple of unique models some plastic objective scenery and a book that would be quite cool.
mutantrocker wrote:Krom Dragongaze? Worst name ever.
Hardly.
Perfect Organism wrote:If the Ork side really is a Warboss, some grots, some boys and some killa kans, that's pretty much every bad unit in the codex in one set. A perfect bunch of whipping boys for the Imperials to demonstrate their superiority over.
Warboss becomes a nob. Boys are always useful. Grots plus killa kans plus bits box = cheap mek guns. It would be excellent.
I was told yesterday by a GW manager (that knows I'm waiting off 7th until a mini book comes along) that DV was no longer available for restocking/order, in a "take what you can from that" kinda way, seems he's been scooped in a big way by this!
He did have the objective cards that everyone was in stock on Thursday for about 5 minutes and is expecting more. Saw a stack of them at Wayland today as well.
Yeah, the objective cards seem fairly widely available now, I caught my local guy OOS last week, but he's got one put by for me on Tues when I'll next be passing.
MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?
Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.
Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.
MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?
Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.
Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.
Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.
Happygrunt wrote: Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.
MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?
Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.
Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.
What does everyone have? What don't they use? Expect what everyone has, to go up in points, and what nobody uses to go down in points.
So basically what ever you have now will be broken and you will be expected to buy new minis.
Paradigm wrote: All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.
I've heard salty rumors of a massive Fenrisian beast.
Paradigm wrote: All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.
I've heard salty rumors of a massive Fenrisian beast.
None of my planned purchases for my IG and Ork armies changed with their new codex release. People like to trot these truisms out, but I'm not seeing much basis in reality for that particular comment with recent books.
I don't think anyone is leaping overthemselves to buy a Gorkanaught because of it's unimaginable power. Chimeras were 'nerfed' but then 7th made them scoring.
The method that's worked for me is saving money until a new codex comes out, and then buying everything I could possibly need for a list. With that method I don't have to buy anything new for close to four years. Of course new editions might start coming out every two years.
Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.
If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?
The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.
Happygrunt wrote: Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.
'Stand in'...? Chenkov had a model.
I thought it was a "Valhalla commander" that just happened to have all the same equipment? I never really played him, so I may be wrong.
azreal13 wrote: Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.
If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?
The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.
Grey plastic bandwagonners. Just brilliant. We have a few of those at my local store, he got a tau army when they were released, then space marines when they were, and is now starting an eldar or AM ;0(can't remember which). But nothing is painted. His broadside is sprayed silver and has been for almost a year, the rest is as you guessed it, grey. He may as well do what I saw one guy do once and this is 100% truth playing with pieces of paper with units written on them!
pretre wrote: How dare someone enjoy the game in a different way!
Not what I'm saying.
If someone decides to approach the game that way because they enjoy it, that's fine.
To approach the game that way, and then complain when your very specific list is no longer relevant when the book is updated, the edition changes or another army gets updated and hard counters it, that's my issue.
If you're going to spend your hobby funds in pursuit of the latest, most efficient, most powerful army build, more power to you, but accept that also makes you the most vulnerable to changes and the most in need of regular updating and take it on the chin when it happens.
azreal13 wrote: Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.
If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?
The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.
Grey plastic bandwagonners. Just brilliant. We have a few of those at my local store, he got a tau army when they were released, then space marines when they were, and is now starting an eldar or AM ;0(can't remember which). But nothing is painted. His broadside is sprayed silver and has been for almost a year, the rest is as you guessed it, grey. He may as well do what I saw one guy do once and this is 100% truth playing with pieces of paper with units written on them!
Eh, the paper thing is perfectly fine, and actually recommended, if you have an opponent who's winning to go along with it. I've played many fantasy games trying out new lists using only movement trays filled with pennies or a bit of paper with "warriors x20" written on, gradually crossing out and re-writing the number as the game goes along.
azreal13 wrote: Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.
If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?
The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.
Grey plastic bandwagonners. Just brilliant. We have a few of those at my local store, he got a tau army when they were released, then space marines when they were, and is now starting an eldar or AM ;0(can't remember which). But nothing is painted. His broadside is sprayed silver and has been for almost a year, the rest is as you guessed it, grey. He may as well do what I saw one guy do once and this is 100% truth playing with pieces of paper with units written on them!
I don't glue in any weapons until painting the rest of the model first. This makes both the model and the weapon very accessible and forces me to paint before playing.
I think you're reading a little too much emotion into people's posts. Especially me and Pretre, we've swum in the same ocean too long to fall out about this.
Anyone notice that the wolf lord/guard battle leader is on a 40mm base, wonder if it's just because of the models stance or if he has runic armour and this is how they are basing 2+ armour now? Just a thought.
Happygrunt wrote: Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.
'Stand in'...? Chenkov had a model.
I thought it was a "Valhalla commander" that just happened to have all the same equipment? I never really played him, so I may be wrong.
He was released in 2nd ed as Chenkov, and then they re-released him as a generic commander when most of the Guard special characters disappeared from the codex.
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Mantle wrote: Anyone notice that the wolf lord/guard battle leader is on a 40mm base, wonder if it's just because of the models stance or if he has runic armour and this is how they are basing 2+ armour now? Just a thought.
I wouldn't read too much into it. It will just be because his legs are spread too wide for a 25mm base.
Happygrunt wrote: Just remember, having a model does not make you safe from getting cut. Marbo and Al'rahem both had models and are both gone. Chenkov had a very clear stand in as well.
'Stand in'...? Chenkov had a model.
I thought it was a "Valhalla commander" that just happened to have all the same equipment? I never really played him, so I may be wrong.
He was released in 2nd ed as Chenkov, and then they re-released him as a generic commander when most of the Guard special characters disappeared from the codex.
Ok, so we were talking about the same model. I wouldn't have been playing when he was his special character incarnation, I started late 4th, but I am glad we are on the same page now.
MWHistorian wrote:Does a new Wolf dex mean you'll have some characters removed and some of your weaker units nerfed further?
Paradigm wrote:All our characters have models, so I think they're safe (and if we're lucky, Ragnar will get a new model to replace the old one). To be honest, it's the new unit that has be worried, it'll either be a flier that doesn't fit the fluff or some kind of giant Wolf Knight.
Almost certainly... if Ragnar goes up in points, I'm going to flip. PLEASE GW, make the SW book as good as the SM Codex.
What does everyone have? What don't they use? Expect what everyone has, to go up in points, and what nobody uses to go down in points.
So basically what ever you have now will be broken and you will be expected to buy new minis.
...dammit, I'm going to have to buy a whole new army then. At least I made my Grey Hunters all modular to Blood Claws.
Actually, I didn't have to buy anything new for my IG, so it's not exactly a hard-and-fast rule of thumb (although having been in 40k for so long, I definitely know it's a trend).
If the new SW codex is changed in similar ways to the SM codex I'll be happy. My wish list: Grey Hunters drop in points, Wolf Lords given more wounds and eternal warrior, Knight sized wolf, some sort of flyer defense (maybe flak missiles for Long Fangs).
azreal13 wrote: Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.
If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?
The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.
Kinda sucks though if you painted up a bunch of models you really like and they never leave the shelf because they are useless in game.
Ragnar being dropped is just as absurd as people thinking Ghazghull might get dropped.. Chenkov and Al'Rahem had almost no fluff outside of their own little blurbs..
GW isn't going to drop any of the main SW characters..
Kirasu wrote: Ragnar being dropped is just as absurd as people thinking Ghazghull might get dropped.. Chenkov and Al'Rahem had almost no fluff outside of their own little blurbs..
GW isn't going to drop any of the main SW characters..
Especially since they just featured Ragnar in WD as one of the pre-eminent planetary assault specialists. Might the Stormclaw be SC+SW pack+drop pod?
I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.
That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.
Random Dude wrote: If the new SW codex is changed in similar ways to the SM codex I'll be happy. My wish list: Grey Hunters drop in points, Wolf Lords given more wounds and eternal warrior, Knight sized wolf, some sort of flyer defense (maybe flak missiles for Long Fangs).
I'd love to see Flak missiles for Long Fangs, but if they do a Knight-sized wolf I might actually resort to a table flip.
They are called Space Wolves by others. The Doom Eagles don't have giant eagles. The Raven Guard don't have giant ravens. The Minotaurs don't have giant bull-men. The Salamanders don't field giant lizards. The Carcharodons don't field fricking sharks with laser beams on their heads. Having Fenrisian wolves as attendants/packs was one thing, but GW and this wolf thing with the Sons of Russ is driving me nuts. It's the one thing more cartoonish than the Blood Angels with their Blood Talons and Bloodstrike Missiles and Blood-arangs and Blood-copters. "Are they the Space Wolves because they are dangerous, wild predators who use their pack loyalty to bring down the foe and harry him across the stars? Nope. They ride wolves and have wolf pets and stuff."
It's also kind of weird for the Space Wolves themselves. I mean, the Salamanders go out and defeat these dangerous, fire-resistant lizards to demonstrate their heroism, and then wear the skins. The Space Wolves do the same, but then also master the packs and ride them. "I'm gonna kill your leader, wear his fur as a cape, pull his fangs and wear those too, and then, I will tell you what to do--okay?"
I'm sorry. I know that likes and dislikes are all personal, and I'm not trying to insult your tastes. I'm just posting the fact that your wish list is, in this way, about the 180° opposite of mine.
azreal13 wrote: Quite, one of the things I apparently see eye-to-eye on with GW is the idea that an army should be a collection of models you love.
If you're unlucky enough to start an army just before an update or edition change and the path you've chosen to follow initially gets nerfed, well, that's a raw deal, but once you've got some years of service under your belt, surely you'll have a rounded enough selection to at least partially absorb any swings in power level?
The grey plastic bandwagoneers can cry all they like, they get what they deserve.
Kinda sucks though if you painted up a bunch of models you really like and they never leave the shelf because they are useless in game.
Yep, got a bunch of 'em.
But then, some of the stuff I seldom used has become stronger now, and when the next Codex update/next edition rolls around, it will change again. Also, the number of units that are bad enough to be truly useless in game are comparatively few (technically none, but Mandrakes, Pyrovores and Penitent Engines are doing their best!) there's just a lot of sub-optimal stuff. Nobody says you can't use them, you just aren't best advised on taking them to tournies.
So to get this back on track: I'm seriously considering getting this boxed set, especially if the SCs look like that! I also recon that it's basically going to be 2 mini versions of say, the Cadian defense force style boxes packaged together with the addition of the SCs, a dataslate and maybe some other campaign-relevant fluff/rules and maybe even some SW specific cards!
But yeah, I'm getting quite pumped for this - just hoping the whole thing won't cost me an arm and a leg to buy
Da Butcha wrote: The Minotaurs don't have giant bull-men. The Salamanders don't field giant lizards. The Carcharodons don't field fricking sharks with laser beams on their heads.
If anyone wants to jot my name down. If you buy this boxed set for SW, I'll be interested in going halves with anyone for the Ork'ses
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notprop wrote: I was told yesterday by a GW manager (that knows I'm waiting off 7th until a mini book comes along) that DV was no longer available for restocking/order, in a "take what you can from that" kinda way, seems he's been scooped in a big way by this!
He did have the objective cards that everyone was in stock on Thursday for about 5 minutes and is expecting more. Saw a stack of them at Wayland today as well.
My FLGS owner told me GW wouldn't take his last boxed set back. He's just going to sell the new rule book at a discount to whoever buys the old starter
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.
That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.
Marbo was also a blatant rip off of something well known outside GW. Every other SC out there is fairly unique and connected to 40k - I don't look at anything and see any themes beyond what it already had. Marbo...well, his name was an anagram for crying out loud.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I think the old SW characters (Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Njal and Bjorn) are too iconic for GW to drop them. The other characters have quite recent models.
That said, Marbo was quite iconic and didn't survive the last update.
Marbo was also a blatant rip off of something well known outside GW. Every other SC out there is fairly unique and connected to 40k - I don't look at anything and see any themes beyond what it already had. Marbo...well, his name was an anagram for crying out loud.
Yeah, they just had a fairly expensive court case where GW designers and legal people insisted (with perfectly straight faces) that all of their designs come entirely out of their designer's heads with no outside influence.
Having 'Sly Marbo' in their miniature collection was just asking for trouble in light of that claim...
The existing Space Wolf characters don't have a similar problem. Clearly vikings were GW's idea.
Marbo may be a fan favorite but he's no creed or yarrick in terms of fluff. Not like anyone cared about him prior to his ability to be a Jack in the box demo charge. Pretty much all the sm characters stay because they've been far more iconic than catachan Rambo.
I'm not sure if it's been posted already
box content:
1 x Ork force made-up of 5 Ork Nobz; 10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; and 3 Killa Kans
1 x Space Wolf force made-up of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators; 5 Grey Hunters; and 5 Blood Claws
2 x brand new plastic characters - Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa and Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules
fulop78 wrote: I'm not sure if it's been posted already
box content:
1 x Ork force made-up of 5 Ork Nobz; 10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; and 3 Killa Kans
1 x Space Wolf force made-up of 5 Wolf Guard Terminators; 5 Grey Hunters; and 5 Blood Claws
2 x brand new plastic characters - Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa and Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze
1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules
for a price just a little shy of 100 euro
Oh and it's while stocks last.
That's £80 for us Brits and 135USD. Not a bad price at all, I think, especially if it does contain a rulebook and a snazzy campaign booklet too. Hoping this is true!
small rule book included means it is a traditional starter not just a 'campaign' box
here's the value breakdown for the UK
5 Ork Nobz; £15.50 10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; £10 3 Killa Kans £28 5 Wolf Guard Terminators; £28 5 Grey Hunters; £11.50 5 Blood Claws £11.50 Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa £15 (min est) Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze £15 (min est)
total minis value £134.5 (probably more as I think the characters are underestimated)
1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions 1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules
It amazes me they went for Gretchin over Boyz, it seems like a very odd choice unless there's a fluffy reason for it. And do they really expect people to play missions using that box? I mean, the Wolf Lord and Terminators could probably solo that Ork army with the right setup!
Still, decent discount if true, but not something I'll be buying. The Wolf Lord I'm not fussed about (Ragnar for the win!), the Warboss is very similar and in my view worse than the AOBR one, and the Wolves I can get cheaper from online stores. 10 Gretchin aren't going to do anything, my brother has Nobz by the dozen from AOBR, and the Kans, while nice, won't justify the rest.
And it's limited, but contains the small rulebook? Dare I say it, are we entering an age of monthly/bi-monthly 'starter' bundles with repackaged models, a couple of unique figures and not a lot else?
5 Ork Nobz; £15.50
10 Ork Gretchin; one Runtherd; £10
3 Killa Kans £28
5 Wolf Guard Terminators; £28
5 Grey Hunters; £11.50
5 Blood Claws £11.50
Ork Warboss Grukk Face-rippa £15 (min est)
Wolf Lord Krom Dragongaze £15 (min est)
total minis value £134.5 (probably more as I think the characters are underestimated)
1 x 32 page campaign booklet which includes datasheets and narrative missions
1 x 208 page small format softback version of the Warhammer 40,000: The Rules
If so, it's decent value, but surely it will be the snap-together Nobz, which are pretty useless and fetch pennies on eBay. But it will still be a bargain if you sell/trade the bits you don't need on. I have one AOBR warboss on a bike, and two spare, yet dang me I'm still hankering for another one.
This is a massive price increase compared to every previous starter, isn't it? If the rumours are right, and it is a starter? I can remember getting Assault on Black Reach for not much more than £30 (admittedly from a discounter). This looks like being double that in five years...
Ian Sturrock wrote: This is a massive price increase compared to every previous starter, isn't it? If the rumours are right, and it is a starter? I can remember getting Assault on Black Reach for not much more than £30 (admittedly from a discounter). This looks like being double that in five years...
Point me in the direction of that discount store. All starter sets I can remember (since Maggrace) have been at least £50. The ones more recently have been £60-£65. Iirc. £80 is an increase, but, considering recent price hikes, not a sharp one at all.
My recollection is AOBR was £60 retail before it was discontinued. Altho' Dark Vengeance looks to have had way more, more complex pieces, including the Hellbrute.
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That's £30 for AoBR, plus shipping. February 2009.
Eh... I have to say that doesn't really seem that tempting if it's just 5 Termies, 5 Hunters and 5 Claws, even with the cool Krom Dragongaze mini. It's not like I expected a full army or anything, but I did kind of expect more than that, at least a real core to the army.
The Orks though, ouch. That seems to lend more credence to the fact it's basically intended to show that whole "noble Imperium versus evil Xenos" Saturday morning cartoon nonsense which seems to be the new direction GW is going.
I'd love to see Flak missiles for Long Fangs, but if they do a Knight-sized wolf I might actually resort to a table flip.
Oh it could be great- imagine a creature with paws the size of dreadnoughts, a massive maw and bold wolf styling. It is an all mechanical style that sits between the Wolf riders and the Daemonsteeds of Khorne.
Atop this mighty beast is a Thunderwolf strapped into an elaborate piloting rig with a rider astride it.
Rather than anything fancy, the SW simply call it- the Lightningwolf cavalry.
Each comes with an Ork character and Marine character (unnamed in AoBR, named in this one, but that doesn't necessarily make much difference), 10 PA marines, 5 termies, and 5 Nobs.
AoBR also came with a Dreadnought, 20 Boyz, and 3 Deffkoptaz... the new set replaces all of them with... 3 Kanz and 10 grots. Still seems like a value drop, given that 3 Kanz are priced the same as one Dreadnought. That said, the new set probably has much nicer sculpts, as well as more bits, if it is basically the sprues from the relevant boxes, rather than starter-only monopose sprues.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I am still thinking it may be worth picking up, but I will most likely wait till we have definite info on any Space Wolves codex update.
I've just started some orks, and this box set makes me sad. I wanted to get some boyz in the box set. Bit disappointed in the contents personally. Seems good value though
I'm sure I read that it had 10 Gretchin and 'ork boyz' as a separate thing, but with no idea of how many. They surely will put at least a squad of boyz in?
Each comes with an Ork character and Marine character (unnamed in AoBR, named in this one, but that doesn't necessarily make much difference), 10 PA marines, 5 termies, and 5 Nobs.
AoBR also came with a Dreadnought, 20 Boyz, and 3 Deffkoptaz... the new set replaces all of them with... 3 Kanz and 10 grots. Still seems like a value drop, given that 3 Kanz are priced the same as one Dreadnought. That said, the new set probably has much nicer sculpts, as well as more bits, if it is basically the sprues from the relevant boxes, rather than starter-only monopose sprues.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I am still thinking it may be worth picking up, but I will most likely wait till we have definite info on any Space Wolves codex update.
You get a campaign book instead though. Not as great for new players, but I already have a large ork army and my uncle a large space wolves one. New, different missions to play are great for us, whereas new models not quite as much.
Confirmation of rules is awesome, definitely getting this!
Wow! That's a terribly unrepresentative ork force vs. a fairly reasonable SW one. A small force of 10 Grey Hunters and 5 Wolf Guard seems rational, but an Ork force of 10 Grots, 5 Nobs, and 3 Kans? Whaaaaa?
Admittedly, I needed 3 Kans since the unit size went to 6, and I can always use more grots and nobs, so I will probably get it. Wish I knew a SW player who wanted the Wolves but didn't want a small format rulebook.
I do think that (especially as the entire line transitions to plastic) that the idea of using existing models instead of new molds for starter boxes isn't bad. It's surely a way to get the old guard to buy old models, true, but it does save them money on development, and they could start thinking of all sprues as 'general release' sprues, rather than making some beautiful models (or necessary ones, like koptas) that are only available in one particular combination. I mean, wouldn't most CSM players have been happy to be able to buy a box of 10 Cultists, or a box of 5 Chosen, as needed?
Very pleased for the small rule book, the orks while making no sense from a game perspective will be absorbed into an existing army no probs and I dig the new warboss and the big squig.
The wolves I'll just sell though I might keep the new character as he's a very nice looking model and will make for good painting practice with his many little details.
Da Butcha wrote: Wow! That's a terribly unrepresentative ork force vs. a fairly reasonable SW one. A small force of 10 Grey Hunters and 5 Wolf Guard seems rational, but an Ork force of 10 Grots, 5 Nobs, and 3 Kans? Whaaaaa?
Admittedly, I needed 3 Kans since the unit size went to 6, and I can always use more grots and nobs, so I will probably get it. Wish I knew a SW player who wanted the Wolves but didn't want a small format rulebook.
I do think that (especially as the entire line transitions to plastic) that the idea of using existing models instead of new molds for starter boxes isn't bad. It's surely a way to get the old guard to buy old models, true, but it does save them money on development, and they could start thinking of all sprues as 'general release' sprues, rather than making some beautiful models (or necessary ones, like koptas) that are only available in one particular combination. I mean, wouldn't most CSM players have been happy to be able to buy a box of 10 Cultists, or a box of 5 Chosen, as needed?
I think this kit is leaning toward- Kill the Xenos idea lol. Saying that though, Killa Kans should give Wolf Guard a run for their money. Nobz should be able to take the Blood Claws/Grey Hunters no worries, Grotz are like the cultists from DV- cannon fodder. For those of you complaining that they should've used a different army from SM. 40K is pretty much all about Humanity's struggle against the alien, the mutant, the heretic. Makes sense to have the Emperor's Finest in each edition.
On a further note- the dice gods are fickle. Never really certain how a game will go.
cincydooley wrote: So if it's at $135 does that actually offer any savings?
$50 for the Termis and $33 for they Grey Hunters.
I'm not quite sure on Orky prices though.
Its about 50% off but it might not have all the option from the standard boxes though the two HQ's are unique to this box. It has a campaign booklet and Mini: The Rules.
Makes me wonder if they have decided they can't afford the tooling with fully unique contents for a starter. The other possibility is they want the flexibility to change the contents to keep things fresh and do more product tie ins/fill out some existing holes in product lines.
I think this kit is leaning toward- Kill the Xenos idea lol. Saying that though, Killa Kans should give Wolf Guard a run for their money. Nobz should be able to take the Blood Claws/Grey Hunters no worries, Grotz are like the cultists from DV- cannon fodder. For those of you complaining that they should've used a different army from SM. 40K is pretty much all about Humanity's struggle against the alien, the mutant, the heretic. Makes sense to have the Emperor's Finest in each edition.
That is the best match up, of course, but when you consider things a little more tactically, I think the wolves massively have the edge. The Wolf Guard can take an AC or CML, and the GH can take dual Plasmas (and a pistol) so the Kans will get shot to bits. The Grots will be shot down as soon as some bolters get in range, and offer very little in return; they're cannon fodder, but without anything to really protect. The Nobs are no harder to kill than 10 boyz, and the CML will ID them. I think the Wolves have it here, especially given the options available to them; the Orks only get choice on the Nobs (CC or different CC) and the Kans (shooty-killy or killy-shooty), while the Wolf Guard can GH (which can be built as more Wolf Guard if you fancy a super-Elite army) can be kitted out to take on almost anything with ease.
In terms of utility, SW win as well, everyone needs more PASW and Termies. Orks really got the raw end of the deal here, I think.
That is the least exciting box set they could have done. From the Wolf perspective, Wolf Guard terminators aren't that great. You could, in theory, kit them out as two Lone Wolves with SS/CF or SS/TH which would wreck the kans and then make the remaining three two Sgts for the 2x 5man grey hunters (lol, blood claws...) and build Arjac.
Thus you could have a smash face wolf list that would just walk over that amount of orks.
But just common models without neat sculpts? Tepid.
cincydooley wrote: So if it's at $135 does that actually offer any savings?
$50 for the Termis and $33 for they Grey Hunters.
I'm not quite sure on Orky prices though.
Its about 50% off but it might not have all the option from the standard boxes though the two HQ's are unique to this box. It has a campaign booklet and Mini: The Rules.
All prices USD
Nobz $25
Gretchen $16.50
Kanz $46.25
WolfGuard Termi $50
10 Spacewolves $37.25
Total $175
Add in the two special charactors and some combination of rules or campaign and its a pretty good deal if its around $135
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: If so, it's decent value, but surely it will be the snap-together Nobz, which are pretty useless and fetch pennies on eBay.
I use them as 'Ard Boyz.
Compare the picture to the one on the GW webstore. It's the same models as the normal Nobz boxed set. The same is true for the grots, the Wolf Guard, and the power armored Space Wolves. I'm pretty sure these won't be the garbage snap-fit models of the Black Reach, Assault on Macragge, and 2nd edition boxed set days.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Makes me wonder if they have decided they can't afford the tooling with fully unique contents for a starter. The other possibility is they want the flexibility to change the contents to keep things fresh and do more product tie ins/fill out some existing holes in product lines.
Part of me thinks it's to get away from having cheap models in starters. Given that I can go on ebay and make a 1500 point DA army from DV for about £50, they probably want to cut down on that potential so that (according to their theory) I buy it from them at full price. Of course, this is stupid; the starters get more people into the hobby and are probably among the best-selling products, but as it involves sales from which GW get no money, I can see them trying their utmost to eliminate it.
Hell, if they could stop their stuff being sold second-hand at all, I bet they would.
UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote: Makes me wonder if they have decided they can't afford the tooling with fully unique contents for a starter. The other possibility is they want the flexibility to change the contents to keep things fresh and do more product tie ins/fill out some existing holes in product lines.
I think the idea behind campaign boxes that give starts to two armies and a campaign around them (with friends, instead of just being X vs. Y) is a good idea overall, although it remains to be seen how the execution of it pans out. Personally I'd like if it was a more generic campaign that just happened to have two small forces in a box, though, or better yet a "collection" where you buy the generic campaign book and get to pick what two armies you want (like that would ever happen again, though) for the most variety.
WayneTheGame wrote: Isn't the campaign book meant to just be some missions using the figures in the box, or is that something else?
Its part of the Sanctus Reach campaign so it looks like a campaign/starter box combined. Also from what I've read its only while stocks last so this could be the start of a new trend of box sets.
Assuming they continue to roll out similar themed box set releases -- tied to a campaign book for example -- one assumes this is, perhaps, the source of the long rumoured different faction starter sets that were doing the rounds a wee while back.
If they are indeed a smaller production run than previous intro sets it#d be much easier to recall or simply drop them as/when a new edition of the rules comes out.
reds8n wrote: Assuming they continue to roll out similar themed box set releases -- tied to a campaign book for example -- one assumes this is, perhaps, the source of the long rumoured different faction starter sets that were doing the rounds a wee while back.
I'd love that, especially if they'd do it for Fantasy, too!
That it that's massively disappointing for the orks and not much better for the wolves seems very light to me almost like the box starter with nids and ultra marines in it.
I don't care about the models in the box. I'm happy Space Wolves are getting a new codex. Codex Rumors I've heard : Hunter/Stalker is in, Stormraven is in, stormtalon is out, Canis got the axe (which is not a big deal because no one used him anyway).
I like what I see. It looks like they're moving towards just repackaging existing stock rather than creating entirely new stuff just for the starters.
Don't like what I see, exactly for the same reason. Starter sets were a nice way to get some new models that weren't allready available for a decent price. See AOBR deffcopta, which is probably the stock material for half the bikes and buggies out there. If they just put old stuff in a nex box, this cuts not only into the amount of new models released, it can be also used for some shenanigans to get rid of old stuff. Want that shiny new warboss? Well, it's packaged with some gorkamorka-era buggies, so prepare shelf space for stuff too ugly to buy for half price.
Random Dude wrote: I don't care about the models in the box. I'm happy Space Wolves are getting a new codex. Codex Rumors I've heard : Hunter/Stalker is in, Stormraven is in, stormtalon is out, Canis got the axe (which is not a big deal because no one used him anyway).
10penceman wrote: That it that's massively disappointing for the orks and not much better for the wolves seems very light to me almost like the box starter with nids and ultra marines in it.
Bring back aobr
Eh... I mean if you get the starter and a Battleforce for the SWs you'd be off to a good start I think, although sans any kind of vehicle. But that'd give you:
* 1x Wolf Lord
* 5x Termies
* 15x Grey Hunters
* 15x Blood Claws
* 5x Scouts
* 1x Drop Pod
10penceman wrote: That it that's massively disappointing for the orks and not much better for the wolves seems very light to me almost like the box starter with nids and ultra marines in it.
Bring back aobr
Eh... I mean if you get the starter and a Battleforce for the SWs you'd be off to a good start I think, although sans any kind of vehicle. But that'd give you:
* 1x Wolf Lord
* 5x Termies
* 15x Grey Hunters
* 15x Blood Claws
* 5x Scouts
* 1x Drop Pod
I think you've got a typo there.
* 1x Wolf Lord
* 5x Termies
* 30x Grey Hunters
* 5x Scouts
* 1x Drop Pod
That gives you 6 packs of 5 Grey Hunters, with five led by Wolf Guard in TDA and one led by the Wolf Guard Battle Leader in power armor. Slap the one with the heavy flamer or assault cannon Wolf Guard in the pod and call it a day.
10penceman wrote: That it that's massively disappointing for the orks and not much better for the wolves seems very light to me almost like the box starter with nids and ultra marines in it.
Bring back aobr
Eh... I mean if you get the starter and a Battleforce for the SWs you'd be off to a good start I think, although sans any kind of vehicle. But that'd give you:
* 1x Wolf Lord
* 5x Termies
* 15x Grey Hunters
* 15x Blood Claws
* 5x Scouts
* 1x Drop Pod
I think you've got a typo there.
* 1x Wolf Lord
* 5x Termies
* 30x Grey Hunters
* 5x Scouts
* 1x Drop Pod
That gives you 6 packs of 5 Grey Hunters, with five led by Wolf Guard in TDA and one led by the Wolf Guard Battle Leader in power armor. Slap the one with the heavy flamer or
assault cannon Wolf Guard in the pod and call it a day.
Doesn't it come with Blood Claws? Or is it the same sprue? I haven't looked at Wolfies in a long time to know if it's one sprue that makes either.
Kanluwen wrote: I like what I see. It looks like they're moving towards just repackaging existing stock rather than creating entirely new stuff just for the starters.
It's not a tumour... I mean starter. It's not a starter.
It's a good price, but I'll probably pass. I have 60+ grey hunters and plenty of WGTerms; The grots I could use and I could convert the Kans into Big Gunz, but the Nobs aren't particularly useful. I'll just have to find someone who wants to sell Krom and maybe the campaign book.
Random Dude wrote: I don't care about the models in the box. I'm happy Space Wolves are getting a new codex. Codex Rumors I've heard : Hunter/Stalker is in, Stormraven is in, stormtalon is out, Canis got the axe (which is not a big deal because no one used him anyway).
Are you the source on these?
He likely just read it on BOLS as it is the newest article there this morning.
I could not be more flaccid about this if I tried. It's insipid, uninspired, and any other mean words you can think of. I got multiple copies of the last 3 starter sets, and this is the first one I've went 'eh don't think I'll bother'.
Random Dude wrote: I don't care about the models in the box. I'm happy Space Wolves are getting a new codex. Codex Rumors I've heard : Hunter/Stalker is in, Stormraven is in, stormtalon is out, Canis got the axe (which is not a big deal because no one used him anyway).
Are you the source on these?
He likely just read it on BOLS as it is the newest article there this morning.
This set is fresh off the rumor wires coming to us from a set of both known and unknown sources.
- Space Wolves move into the "modern age" with access many of the new Astartes kits and toys: - The Hunter / Stalker is in - The Stormraven is in - The Stormtalon is out... - Canis goes the way of the Dodo...
I think that's probably false already. Unlikely that SW get the Hunter and Stormraven. Although Long Fangs in Centurion suits would be hilarious.
Random Dude wrote: I don't care about the models in the box. I'm happy Space Wolves are getting a new codex. Codex Rumors I've heard : Hunter/Stalker is in, Stormraven is in, stormtalon is out, Canis got the axe (which is not a big deal because no one used him anyway).
Are you the source on these?
He likely just read it on BOLS as it is the newest article there this morning.
With the oh-so-typical "Isn't this awesome?! Get your wallets ready to buy lots of GW stuff!" attitude, I'm sure...
prowla wrote: I'm calculating that the armies in the box are about 385 pts Orks vs. 450 pts SW, am I right?
Depends. I don't know about the Orks, but with just the parts in there just the Wolf Guard termy squad could hit about that (2 Lone Wolves in TDA+gear, 2 WG Termies, Arjac Rockfist). The GH could also be build as Wolf Guard, so again, more points there.Of course, it's not neccesarily a good idea to do so, but it's doable.
It's certainly more value for SW players than Orks.
It's been confirmed by other, more reliable sources that have a 100% rumor accuracy rating.
Umm. Okay, now you're just making stuff up.
First, link.
Second, there's like one or two mongers with 100% and I don't remember them saying anything.
Also, BOLS posted this gem:
This set is fresh off the rumor wires coming to us from a set of both known and unknown sources.
-Lords of War: Logan & Bjorn
-New big kit for SWs is a "Legendary Fenrisian Monster and handler(s)"
-All other SW releases will be plastic reworks of existing Finecast, or very old plastics.
Random Dude wrote: I don't care about the models in the box. I'm happy Space Wolves are getting a new codex. Codex Rumors I've heard : Hunter/Stalker is in, Stormraven is in, stormtalon is out, Canis got the axe (which is not a big deal because no one used him anyway).
Are you the source on these?
He likely just read it on BOLS as it is the newest article there this morning.
With the oh-so-typical "Isn't this awesome?! Get your wallets ready to buy lots of GW stuff!" attitude, I'm sure...
That is a bit mean spirited for seemingly no reason; if he's happy about the set, good for him. I'm not impressed as it is a combo apparently of mostly existing kits except for two characters and is priced way above other starters. The starters used to be a great buy if you wanted ONE of the two armies and the rulebook back with AOBR, lessened to just a good buy with DV, and are now a pass if this pans out at $130. I like the SW character's look but not for over $100. Also, the fact that the codex books went hardcover and the rules got split into three books lessens the appeal of buying it for the mini rulebook for me. Back in 5th, I could plop my codex and rules into my GW hardcases and be ready to go but I can't do that without crushing models with the larger hardcovers. I basically have to bring my tablet or hardcovers regardless.
JeneralJoe117 wrote: I could not be more flaccid about this if I tried. It's insipid, uninspired, and any other mean words you can think of. I got multiple copies of the last 3 starter sets, and this is the first one I've went 'eh don't think I'll bother'.
I think that's probably false already. Unlikely that SW get the Hunter and Stormraven. Although Long Fangs in Centurion suits would be hilarious.
I could easily see that happening just like how the LR Crusader proliferated back in 3rd through 5th. It would also be in GW character if the Dark Angels got screwed and were the only SM codex who don't get to use the flyer without using the stupid unbound rules for one unit. And, yes, Long Fangs in Centurions would be hilarious. Just think of the beards! They'd be like space marine dwarves with big guns.
