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Post by: RubiconModels
Greetings all, just to say hi to everyone on the forum. We are an old establishment with a new brand name, working on an official website now; but you can visit us at https://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels for the moment.
We will be launching a series of 1/56 WW2 plastic vehicles for your wargaming and modeling needs, probably Q3 this year. We look forward to serving you all soon!
Here are some images of our soon-to-release Panzer III (pre-production test kit) for your review:
Panzer III with 50mm gun
Panzer III with detachable schürzen
Panzer III with 75mm howitzer
Enjoy!
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Post by: Azazelx
They look very nice. I look forward to seeing them make it to market. What name were you formerly known under?
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Post by: RubiconModels
Azazelx, we are a digital design studio, working on numerous projects for several Tabletop Miniature Game manufacturers and Computer Games publishers (mostly limited edition stuff). Rubicon Models is a new setup for us to market our own brand.
You can visit our Facebook page to learn a little bit about us, please remember to LIKE us too!
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Post by: BrookM
That Panzer III looks amazing! Been waiting for ages now for Warlord to do a proper plastic one, can't wait to see this one go on sale!
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
Liking it, nice any Russian tanks in the planning?
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Post by: RubiconModels
Our initial plan is to release at least 5 tanks on Official Launch Day (Q3 this year)!
A Russian T-34/76 (Mod 40/41/42) should be in that list!
Please visit our Facebook page ( www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels) to learn a little bit more about us, please remember to LIKE us too!
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Post by: scarletsquig
Nice looking tanks! You don't see much being made in that scale.
If only someone would do a sci-fi tank in hard plastic... none other than GW's currently exist.
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Post by: Paradigm
Welcome to Dakka, and nice looking tanks!
What kind of pricing are you predicting for these when they hit retail?
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Post by: RubiconModels
Hopefully, retail price for these kits will be in the £20 (US$34) range.
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Post by: Swastakowey
Plan on making any Japanese Tanks? I would love to replace my Sci Fi Tanks (which I despise) with them.
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Post by: RubiconModels
Japanese tanks are towards the end on our current to-do list. We are still debating if we should ever do a complete resin kit for low-demand vehicles.
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Post by: Swastakowey
Fair enough. Ill keep an eye out then.
Cheers
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Post by: Paradigm
Awesome, if they end up that price I can see some 40k conversions coming on!
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Post by: bubber
£20 + P&P might price you out against Warlord Games (thiers are in the £20 price bracket too), which is a shame as they look very nice but I need cheaper.
If Plastic Soldier Company starts churning out 1:56 then the competition will be even tougher.
However, if could get another retailer based in the UK or Europe then I can see you becoming a great success.
Good luck!
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Post by: RubiconModels
For those who don't use Facebook, here is the Panzer IV...
Here is a side-by-side view of the Panzer IV with two different guns...
Enjoy!
For more info, visit our Facebook page at www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels. Please remember to LIKE us too!
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Post by: Paradigm
This looks awesome. Will the extra armour plating and track guards be included with the standard kit?
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Post by: Moopy
Any chance of making Soviet armor?
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Post by: RubiconModels
Moopy: Yes, will post some sneak preview on FB soon! Check us out regularly!
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Post by: RubiconModels
These waterslide decals are preliminary design for individual country (expect for the British). Each kit will come with one of these generic sheets, the size is 105mm x 74mm.
Please feel free to comment and make suggestions. The design is still not final, but we think we are getting there!
Enjoy!
For more info, visit our Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels. Please remember to LIKE us too!
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Post by: RubiconModels
This is our 3rd creation - the M4A3. This Sherman comes with 3 guns (75mm/76mm/105mm) with 3 different mantlets and 2 turret choices... Even comes with a Culin hedgerow cutter!
M4A3 prototype with 75mm gun.
M4A3 prototype with 76mm gun.
M4A3 prototype with 105mm howitzer.
A side-by-side comparison of the final painted plastic with the prototype.
M4A3 painted plastic with 76mm gun.
M4A3 painted plastic with 105 howitzer and optional turret mount machine gun and Culin hedgerow cutter.
Enjoy!
For more info, visit our Facebook page at facebook.com/rubiconmodels. Please remember to LIKE us too!
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Post by: Alpharius
These all look great!
And with SoTR2 just around the corner, these tanks will come in handy when filling out my Weird War II lists with 'conventional' units!
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Post by: Azazelx
These do look fantastic!
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Post by: RubiconModels
Here are some work-in-progress technical drawings of a T34/76:
This Soviet T34/76 is packed with different configurations that were used between 1940 and 1942.
Line drawing of the T34/76 with two turrets, two hulls, and two road-wheel sets combination. Not shown are the famous oil drums on the side...
Enjoy!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Really nice, I do like T-34s
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These are the T34/76 Model 40/41/42 prototypes with 2 hulls, 2 turrets, 2 guns, 2 rear oil drum sets, and 2 road wheel sets; plus optional features, such as headlights, antenna, and extra oil drums.
T34/76 Model 40/41 with welded turret and rubber road wheels.
T34/76 Model 41/42 with cast turret and steel road wheels.
T34/76 Model 41/42 with optional oil drums.
The two T34/76 side-by-side... note the difference with guns and crew hatch.
T34/76 rear view... note the difference in engine access hatch.
T34 Rubber Road Wheels... note the one piece track with front road wheels, and single linked back wheels. For gamers, this simplifies assembly. For modelers, can cut off the links to make them individual again!
T34 Steel Road Wheels... note the details on these wheels! For modelers, you can carefully cut one or two road wheels off and intermix with the rubber ones to create your own unique tank!
Enjoy!
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Post by: Paradigm
Very nice, the detail on these is very impressive and good idea on the tracks, I imagine that will simplify things a lot.
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Post by: Moopy
Oh wonderful!
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Post by: RubiconModels
We had spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to put all versions of the Panther into a single kit. The sheer size of the Panther had taken up a lot of valuable sprue space, forcing us to split this particular tank into two separate kits - the Panther Ausf D/A and the Panther Ausf G! More on this later…
Enjoy!
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NEW UPDATE
This is the close up view of the assembled tracks with wheels in place. A three piece smart design to ease assembly, yet highly detailed.
The three pieces disassembled for close up inspection. All the "connectors" are hidden away once assembled, so you won't see them at all!
Will show more of the completed Panther prototypes over the weekend!
Enjoy!
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Here are some prototype images of the Panther D/A and the Panther G...
The Panther D/A - should come with two copula choices and specific D and A features.
The Panther G - should come with multiple exhaust choices.
Some side-by-side view of the two Panthers
More images are being uploaded to our Facebook page. For more info, visit us at http://facebook.com/rubiconmodels.
Please remember to LIKE and SHARE with your friends too!
Enjoy!
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Post by: RubiconModels
There seems to be a minor issue with our Photobucket bandwidth usage. Things had now been resolved and you can see all our uploaded images as usual! Sorry for the hiccup!
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Post by: lord marcus
Any thoughts on a Hanomag?
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Post by: RubiconModels
You mean something like this?
This drawing is a 15mm (1:100) Hanomag that we designed for a client some years back.
Are we going to do one in 1/56? Probably yes, but not right away! We want to focus more on vehicles that still do not have a plastic counterpart... but if there is a high demand for a particular vehicle, we can reshuffle the queue to make that a priority.
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Post by: lord marcus
RubiconModels wrote:
You mean something like this?
*snip*
This drawing is a 15mm (1:100) Hanomag taht we designed for a client some years back.
Are we going to do one in 1/56? Probably yes, but not right away! We want to focus more on vehicles that still do not have a plastic counterpart... but if there is a high demand for a particular vehicle, we can reshuffle the queue to make that a priority.
Yes, exactly like that. I need 28mm ones as troop transports. I'll keep an eye on your progress, but if someone comes out with a 28mm or 1/56th scale hanomag/sci-fi hanomag, that is reasonably priced, they will get my money.
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Post by: -iPaint-
If y'all are looking for input, there's a major gap in the market right now for the American M8 and M20 armored cars in 1/72, if you've designed kits for 1/100 and 1/56.
Also, the German SdKfz 250 series in 1/72 and 1/56 would probably go over well.
Just thoughts
~iPaint
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Post by: RubiconModels
-iPaint- wrote:If y'all are looking for input, there's a major gap in the market right now for the American M8 and M20 armored cars in 1/72, if you've designed kits for 1/100 and 1/56.
Also, the German SdKfz 250 series in 1/72 and 1/56 would probably go over well.
We did notice that as well. A M8/M20 combo kit is already on our list. We might go into 1/72 but we had our hands full with 1/56 kits right now. Might do a new series once we are done with all our current projects!
Gamer input is ALWAYS important to us! We do listen... Thanks!!
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Post by: RubiconModels
Tiger I in its pure glory... at least on our drafting table! Going through all the changes and checking variations, historical data, and photo references. Unlike the Panther where we had to split the tank into two kits, we just don't have the heart to put this ICON of the Third Reich into two or three part numbers!
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Post by: kodos
when can we expect them to (pre) order?
Same time as Panther or much later?
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kodos wrote:when can we expect them to (pre) order?
Same time as Panther or much later?
The Tiger I will be a little later as a monthly release. The Panther and all the previous kits should be October. Thanks for the patience!
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PLEASE be patient with US! Releasing a finished product takes a long time! From design to finish usually will take up to 3 months (usually we took less)… then followed by shipping and distribution! We are using this forum (thanks dakka) to showcase our concept, our design, and work-in-progress so that you know what we are doing! To release a quality product simply takes time! We never rush our releases. Please bear with us!
The Tiger I has finally come out of the drawing board and onto 3D prototyping, here are some images of the steel road wheels... again, we are using modular design to ease assembly but still kept all the details for everyone to appreciate!
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Just a quick update on our Tiger I…
Tiger I – Early production
Tiger I – Mid production
Tiger I – Late production
With this huge 4-sprue kit, you can have the choice to build a Tiger I as an early, mid, or late production model, with 2 choices of road wheels, and 3 turret top choices. More images posted on our Facebook page http://facebook.com/rubiconmodels.
Please remember to LIKE and SHARE them with your friends too!
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Post by: Big H
Very nice looking Tigers !
What scale are you working to ? (1:56th, 1:48th , 28mm 'Heroic' etc)
Any chance of scale comparison shot with "other " manufacturers for an idea of compatibility ?
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Post by: captainbirdbum
I am seriously loving what I am seeing. I have waited so long for a plastic tiger. Cannot wait.
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Post by: RubiconModels
Big H wrote:Very nice looking Tigers !
What scale are you working to ? (1:56th, 1:48th , 28mm 'Heroic' etc)
Any chance of scale comparison shot with "other" manufacturers for an idea of compatibility ?
All vehicles are 1/56 (28mm) scale plastic kits. Don't think it is good practice to do side-by-side comparisons with other manufacturers' products.
What we can do is post ours with a ruler...
Hope this help!
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No problems , the ruler is good enough !
I look forward to these being released !
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Big H wrote:No problems , the ruler is good enough !
I look forward to these being released !
To give you some ideas on what our kit will look like, we are sharing the sprue layout of the 2 Panther kits (Ausf D/A and Ausf G) for your review:
Enjoy!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Looking really good there
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Post by: OneManNoodles
some of the side details look like they may undercut (left and right vision ports at the front + stowage moulded on), I take it that it's just perspective?
Otherwise Very nice sprue drafts.
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Post by: -iPaint-
Looks like the Ausf D is missing the 4th vision port on the radio operator/MG side. I count only 3. Unless this is a variant of the D I'm unfamiliar with?
EDIT: Seems that there are versions of the D that only had a single MG gunner vision port facing off to the side (as seen on the 3D print and sprue layout). Trying to find a source for why a second forward-facing vision port was added.
~iPaint
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Post by: Generalstoner
These look magnificent. Saves you the time of needing to soap resin models . These guys also have great conversion potential given the plastic used!
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Post by: RubiconModels
Just signed off the final production sprues for the M4A3 Sherman... the molds are now all ready for commercial production run!
...the T34/76 will be next!
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Fresh from the mold injection machine… our first test sprues for the T-34/76! Almost pefect, still need some fine-tuning… but getting there! Are they great?
Closeup of the two sets of T-34/76 Road Wheels
>> Please go to our Facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels to see the rest of the images. This post is getting too crowded with images…
Enjoy!
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
There is no such thing
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Here are some images of the assembled trail run plastic T-34/76:
Here is a side-by-side comparison with the original painted 3D prototype:
Enjoy!
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Fresh from the Mould Injection Machine... Two common Panther sprues plus one for the Panther Ausf D/A and one for the Panther Ausf G. These are our first trail run sprues, still need some fine-tuning... and soon available for commercial run!
There are two 1/56 Panther plastic kits - (1) Panther Ausf D/A with choices of two copula, two hull machine gun port, two manlet, and side skirt option. (2) Panther Ausf G with choices of two air cooler, two tail exhaust, and side skirt option.
Panther common sprue A
Panther common sprue B
Panther Ausf D/A sprue
Panther Ausf G sprue
Close up details of the Panther plastic!
Enjoy!
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Post by: RubiconModels
Hi everyone! Had not been posting anything here for a long while...
Just a brief update - everything is now coming together! Here are the sample print of our product boxes:
More box art pictures for the other tanks on our Facebook page. Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels
Enjoy!
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Post by: BrookM
Site is now live: http://www.rubiconmodels.com/index.php
No prices yet, though they do have some distributors lined up: http://www.rubiconmodels.com/distributors.php
OZ: War and Peace games
UK: Plastic Soldier Company
Germany: Warehouse Games
Hong Kong: Fun Atelier
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Post by: Azazelx
Unfortunately, War & Peace charge (way) more than what the exchange rate should be, and then charge shipping on top of that. It's actually cheaper to order BA stuff direct from Warlord, let alone from someone like Firestorm, Troll Trader, etc. The same is true for everything else, like SAGA, Fireforge, etc.
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Post by: BrookM
I personally hope that my FLGS has ties with that German distributor, as I'm still quietly hoping to have one or two kits in hand by Christmas this year.
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Post by: RubiconModels
Just wanted to let everyone know... our website is now live!
Here is the link: http://www.rubiconmodels.com
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Post by: BrookM
And the prices are now also out there:
This is our official Recommended Retail Price (RRP) in British Pound (£). Because of flucations in exchange rates, we will not be listing other currencies. Please also note there are regional taxes (import/sales) that are not included.
280010 Panzer IV - Mid & Late War - £18
280011 Panzer III - Mid War - £18
280012 M4A3 Sherman - £20
280013 T-34/76 - Early & Mid War - £20
280014 Panther Ausf D & A - £20
280015 Panther Ausf G - £20
280016 Tiger I - Early, Mid & Late War - available soon!
More will be added to this list as new kits become available. Thank you!
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Post by: Ivok
Amazing models. I had some similar when I was a kid. But these are better!
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Post by: judgedoug
All I want to do is exchange earth dollars for these models
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The prices are competitive, the models look great
and the Sherman's extra turret can easily be magnetised to let you use your tank as either version, or used as a bit of scenery (lots of loose turrets around after a tank 'cooked off')
bargain
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Post by: BrookM
They're priced the same as Warlord's plastics, but look so much better and offer more options.
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Post by: RubiconModels
Initial releases of the firs six kits are now shipped! Expected to see them on store shelves over the next two weeks!
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Post by: RobertsMinis
Plastic Soldier Company have some pretty good multi buy deals. £51 for 3 or £97 for 6
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Post by: RubiconModels
We have just uploaded the Tiger I instruction assembly to our forum ( http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=53.msg299#msg299). To view, you MUST registered as member.
The Tiger I boxes had been shipped to our distributors and will be available shortly depending on region. German players, show your prowess!
For features on our new Tiger I, you can checkout the release notes on our website: http://www.rubiconmodels.com/news.php?i=21
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
With the Tanks out in the wild it looks like Rubicon are exploring hard plastic buildings (they need to check interest as this will be expensive so let them know what you think at the link below) http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=55.0 Rubicon say All these are our initial prototype parts, still a lot of fine-tuning and touch-up work before they can be put into our final design. We have not put in (or etch) texture on the walls yet. There is a lot of consideration on painting, seamless pattern matching between walls, and so on... Other options will later be incorporated into the final design, such as balcony, back door, outhouse, and so on...
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Post by: Alpharius
Very nice looking buildings - I'd be interested in buying quite a few!
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Post by: BrookM
Nothing wrong with modular, semi-modern houses that aren't made of wood and are hopefully affordable.
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Post by: RubiconModels
Here are some painted images of our Tiger I Early Production Model for the DAK, painted by our in-house painter Kent Lee!
Enjoy!
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Post by: Alpharius
That is one nice looking tank!
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
These tanks look great, the track design you guys came up with in particular seems like a very clever and simple solution. A lot of tank kits in this scale that have overlapping road wheels can look a bit muddy as the tracks are usually cast as one piece, but this method makes your road wheels look very sharp and good looking. Might have to look into getting one of those T34s for my Soviets.
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Post by: Azazelx
Yeah, I'm really liking that Tiger. I think I'll need several. (for different theatres, of course.)
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Post by: RubiconModels
Wait no more! We now have a US distributor to fill up your arsenal with our tanks!
For contact info, please read the news link on our website: http://www.rubiconmodels.com/news.php?i=22
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Post by: RubiconModels
After much discussions and feedback from various forum members (on our official forum), together with our test fitting on the 3D prototype parts, we have refined our technical drawing on the T-34/85 design. This is our final version of the T-34/85 tank!
This is the early version (1943) of the T-34/85 with D5T mantlet. Note the position of the ventilator at the rear had been moved closer to the copula; plus the front pear-shaped periscope cover had been move backward towards the copula as well. In addition, the top front armour plate had been extended to make the sloping angle of the turret looks more natural.
This is the late war version (1944) of the T-34/85 with S53 mantlet. We have added a flamethrower gun to turn this tank into an OT34/85. The flamethrower is backward compatible with our T-34/76 kit; hence all parts are interchangeable (except for the hull - turret ring is larger on the T-34/85)!
C&C are most welcome! We will send the design to factory for mould making early next week!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Hopefully we'll see some 'improved' with improvised armour from people
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To coincide with our website official announcement on our Q1/2015 new releases, here are more basic info for each new item:
SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D Standard Personnel Carrier (280018)
- Contains enough parts to build a D version (1943) of the famous personnel carrier
- Choices include standard open top or with closed or half-closed canvas top (tarp) options
- Number of Parts: 43 pieces
- Number of Sprue: 2
SdKfz 251D 3-in-1 Combo (280019)
- Contains enough parts to build one of the following variants:
- SdKfz 251/7D – Assault Engineering vehicle
- SdKfz 251/8D – Ambulance
- SdKfz 251/10D – with 37mm Pak 36 anti-tank gun
- Most options are detachable and can be reverted back into a standard carrier
- Number of Parts: 64 pieces
- Number of Sprue: 3
SdKfz 251/1 Ausf. D with “Stuka Zu Fuss” Rocket Launcher (280020)
- Contains enough parts to build a Rocket Launcher variant for the Personnel Carrier
- “Stuka Zu Fuss” is detachable and can be reverted back into a standard carrier
- Number of Parts: 70 pieces
- Number of Sprue: 3
Soviet T-34/85 Medium Tank (280021)
- Contains enough parts to build either a T-34/85 or an OT-34/85 medium tank
- Choices include two turret tops to represent either a D5T (1943) or S53 (1944) turret, with hull mounted machine gun or flame thrower option
- Number of Parts: 50 pieces
- Number of Sprue: 3
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Post by: Azazelx
I like the look of all of those!
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Post by: judgedoug
Sign me up for at least 1 Stuka Zu Fuss and 251/8!
If I didn't already have three Warlord 251/1 and a 251/10 then I'd be a bit more excited but I'm still happy with the variants being offered
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Post by: fox-light713
absolutely loving what i see. can't wait to see what else you guys come up with.
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Finally had the time to make some extra bits and pieces to paint up a prototype. Unfortunately, we have forgotten to make a single door piece, so the storefront piece is used for all buildings you see here!
NOTE: The prototype you seen here is NOT THE FINAL version. We have just painted up a sample using some old and new resin duplicate pieces we have around the studio.
This is a standalone house setup:
This is a Town House with a new rooftop.
With this rooftop, you can line up several town houses together provided you do not have windows on the side:
By adding various different components, you can customize each building with a different look.
Here is an example with using Rooftop Gables:
Other components would mean:
1) Different windows
2) Different chimneys
3) Different doors
4) Balconies
5) Basement
When we meant " Modular" you still need to glue them together on a PER FLOOR basis.
Each floor is detachable to reveal the floor below... for obvious reasons!
Welcome to give more feedback on features you want to see!
Here is the link to our forum post on the subject: http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=55.0
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Post by: judgedoug
Yup, buying infinity of these.
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Post by: RobertsMinis
Honest opinion, it looks like a dolls house. Whether the walls need some form of texture, or it is how flat and blocky everything is, my first thought was dolls house/child's toy.
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RobertsMinis wrote:Honest opinion, it looks like a dolls house. Whether the walls need some form of texture, or it is how flat and blocky everything, my first thought was dolls house/child's toy.
This is just a prototype WITHOUT texture. Texture are added during the mould making process.
Here are some texture possibilities:
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Post by: erratyk
i like these a lot! One suggestion if i may, would be to possibly make an alternate roof that's flat, for gameplay purposes. I love the fact you can go inside, but being able to hop onto roofs would turn this from a "i'll pick up one or 2" to " how much is my credit card going to hate me for buying all these buildings????" Lol
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Post by: RubiconModels
erratyk wrote:i like these a lot! One suggestion if i may, would be to possibly make an alternate roof that's flat, for gameplay purposes. I love the fact you can go inside, but being able to hop onto roofs would turn this from a "i'll pick up one or 2" to " how much is my credit card going to hate me for buying all these buildings????" Lol
The initial design/release will not have flat rooftop. We are trying to use these as "generic" buildings in Europe before and during WW2. Flat rooftop buildings are only seen after WW2 in limited quantities... We will eventually produce some American style buildings with flat rooftop based on the current design. We have no pricing yet. It will all depend on the number of moulds need to be made, plus the number of sprues per building. Our target price is to be competitive with current MDF buildings! .
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Post by: Piston Honda
will textured walls be optional so II can have flat walls like that?
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Post by: RubiconModels
We are delighted to share our excitement with you all on our latest project - StuG III Ausf G - Early / Mid / Late Production (product code 280017).
Features include:
- Choice of Early / Mid / Late production
- Option to assemble vehicle as a StuH 42 with 105mm Howitzer
- Choice of the original trapezoid-shape mantlet or the Topfblende pot mantlet (often called Saukopf "Pig's head") gun mantlet with or without coaxial mount
- Detachable Schürzen (side armour)
- Optional rear stowage rack
- Optional spare road wheels
- Optional periscope
- 3 sprues / 54 parts
The 3 versions of the StuG III Ausf G:
Option to do a StuH 42 with 105mm Howitzer Gun:
More photos of the StuG III Ausf G:
Some close up views:
Size comparison with various vehicles:
Comments and constructive feedback welcome!
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Really like the crisp look the models have. A lot of resin models can look a bit rough around the edges at times but your plastic tanks always have nice clean lines. Interested how they look painted up.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Cracking stuff there
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Post by: farmersboy
As a lapsed model maker and keen armchair historian of all things German I haver to say those Stugs look really good...I'm feeling the urge to make some kits again.
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Post by: judgedoug
Germany produced more Stug III than any other tank in WW2... FINALLY someone is making a plastic kit! I will be buying a Zug worth of five Stugs at least.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
When is the StuG III coming out?
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Post by: bubber
It's my favourite German 'tank' - Yey!
Happy bunny here
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Post by: RubiconModels
Happy New Year!!
The mould for our SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D is basically done! here is our smart design of the Stuka zu Fuss rack system we modeled as an add-on option:
As you can see, there is only 10 plastic parts per side... a total of 21 parts for the complete Stuka zu Fuss mount, yet highly detailed!!
This is our SdKfz 251 Ausf D first test sprues! Even though not perfect yet, we have done some trail assembly and close up inspections to further improve the quality of the various sprues.
Here is the assembled Stuka zu Fuss rack as shown on the 3D diagram above:
Here are the tracks and the canvas tops:
Enjoy!
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Post by: Azazelx
Looking good!
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How do these measure up against gw tanks? Namely the panza 3 and halftrack? Got some great potential for conversions! Anyone got any pics?
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After several modifications and refinements to our various SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D moulds, we'd finally signed off the moulds for commercial production. Three products will be release end of March:
280018 SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D with two canvas top choices
280019 SdKfz 251D 3-in-1 Combo Set #1
280020 SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D "Stuka zu Fuss"
Here are some images of the painted test plastic vehicles (1/56 plastic kit), more photos to follow later.
Some are still in painting, that includes the SdKfz 251/10 with Pak 36 (Full Shield) and the SdKfz 251/8 Ambulance…
C&C welcome!
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Here is an update on our plastic StuG III Ausf G... now painted!
Notable features of our StuG III Ausf G kit (product code 280017) includes:
- Option to build either an Early / Mid / Late production StuG III Ausf G
- Option to assemble vehicle as a StuH 42 with 105mm Howitzer
- Choice of the original trapezoid-shape mantlet or the Topfblende pot mantlet (often called Saukopf "Pig's head") gun mantlet with or without coaxial mount
- Detachable (removable) Schürzen (side armour)
- Optional rear stowage rack
- Optional spare road wheels
- Optional periscope
- 3 sprues / 54 parts
The almighty StuG III Ausf G with Saukopf gun mantlet - Late production
...and with Schürzen (side armour)
Alongside with her big brother... a Panther Ausf G!
Size comparison of the two...
Some more close-up images!
Some group images with several SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D variants...
...and finally as a StuH 42 with a 105mm howitzer!
If things go well with production, the StuG III Ausf G will be available around late March!
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After much work, and working in secret about our added BONUS... The T-34/85 plastic kit is finally done!
Our 1/56 T-34/85 plastic kit can be assembled into either a Model 1943 or 1944 version of the tank. It comes with 2 turret top and 2 mantlet choices with oil drums & accessories included. You also have an option to built the tank as an OT-34/85 flamethrower tank too.
As an added BONUS, we have included a T-34/76 Model 1943 turret (commonly known as the Hex or Mickey Mouse turret) for those who had already brought our T-34/76 (280013) plastic kit!
Product Code: 280021
Number of Parts: 50 pieces / 3 sprues
Availability: Late March
Enjoy!
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Have you thought of producing some for those who play "World of Tanks"?
I would have thought that you should be able to get quite a few sales from them, especially if you can get the right models made.
The STUG is currently a misison reward, so that ought to be popular, the number in game is increasing.
Unfortunately I have not been playing long enough to have gotten to the higher tier tanks as yet, but from what I have seen and read, the following two would be popular for lower tier tanks.
Panzer 1 C.
Pz.Kpfw. 1 Ausf C equipped with VK 6.02 suspension, Maybach HL66P engine, Fu. Spr. Ger 'a' radio system (If any of those are visibly different), the Pz. Kpfw. 1 Ausf C turret and 7.92mm Mauser E.W. 141 weapon system.
And the
T18.
T18E2 suspension, Continental R-975-C1 engine, and SCR210 radio system. Armed with the QF 2-pdr Mk. IX weapon system.
Maybe include some extras such as the binocular vision system.
I hope this is a viable idea for you, I would certainly pick up the both of those, and I believe the T18 would be a very popular choice amongst the players.
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Not that lack of those two particular tanks is going to stop me, I am waiting on delivery of a Pz. III which is already on it's way from the Plastic Soldier Company. Once I have completed that, I'll probably get the Sherman, and then the Pz. IV and Tiger.
And I'd also suggest working the M1A1 75mm howitzer into the T-18 if you get around to producing one.
I'd also like to see a wider range of countries in the range. I don't know much about the Russian vehicles, but some love for the British wouldn't go amiss. The Grant and Sherman III should be relatively easy as they are both based from the American Sherman chassis. A Vickers Medium, or a Churchill I/VII/Gun Carriage would be great too.
Or perhaps a tripple threat box, something like the French Renault FT in basic, FT AC (Tank Destroyer), and FT 75 BS (SPG) forms?
Or some of the experimental Russian tanks, Objects 140, 416, 430, or 907 for medium tanks, Object 260 for the heavy, 263, 268, and 704 for tank destroyers, and 261 for an SPG? Automatically Appended Next Post: And it has arrived. Going to have to see which of the optional parts I want to use. Am probably going to leave the Schurzen off it as I don't recall that being used on that tank in WoT, other than that, I want to take a look at which gun was used with which turret design so I can make an informed choice on that front.
Hope to work on undercoating and possibly basecoating it tonight, and getting more of the detail work done over the weekend as it's the last weekend before I go home for a couple of weeks and it would be nice to have it completed before the first Tuesday in April for a meeting of my local "Miniature Armoured Fighting Vehicle Asociation".
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Post by: Azazelx
I'm certainly looking forward to those StuG models coming out.
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re World of Tanks
Italeri already has the license to product models kits branded for World of Tanks.
http://shop.italeri.com/Category/198-world-of-tanks.aspx
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That's true. However, they are 1:35 scale and therefore much larger. For a single detailed model of what I want, I may be interested later on - once again IF they expand the line to include either the Pz I C or the T-18. I firmly believe that Ribicon would sell more to the WoT players as at 1:56 it would be easier to have a collection that reflects your favourites in the game, and Ribicon's 1:56 models are going to be much easier to make and paint that an Italeri 1:35 model so will appeal more to the players. The extra sales Ribicon could get just from judiciously deciding what variants to produce next would help them out.
And that's not going to be able to stop Rubicon from producing the same models even if they were in the same scale. All I was asking for was those variants of tank, no need for WoT branding at all. The area where you just may get a little more worried would be the experimental variants or things taht only got on to the drawing board. Anything that was actually produced will be fair game. WoT cannot own the copyright on a tank design from the second world war, and Rubicon would have no worries in producing one. the suggestion was that they may find a wider audience if they worked on some of the vehicles that were popular in that game, not to brand them as such.
I have started my Pz3, and am painting the hull and turret with a Vallejo "Dunklegrau" set to give it the German grey look. This should be relatively easy and then I can detail and weather it by hand. I hope to have some finished pictures early next month.
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I really don't think World of Tanks enters at any point into Rubicon's marketing decisions - they're making vehicles based on popularity and need in the 28mm miniatures gaming market.
Which is probably why you'll never see a 1/56 hard plastic kit for experimental Object kits when a Panzer 38(t) is far more useful (and would actually sell)
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Yes.
As to your first point JD, I understand who they are actually making things for (and I am under no delusions that I'm one of their target market). I just postulated that they may get a boost to sales if they do a little research and prioritise any otherwise equal releases to those with a connection to WoT.
Personally, I don't want to see any of the Russian "Object 704" or whatever type of vehicles, and I'd love to see a PZ38(t) in their range. I also do not profess to know all of the tanks in WoT, but I'd bet a great many of them are the standards that anyone would think of and therefore should be included in any WW2 28mm tabletop game.
However, their range currently stands at a single Russian light tank (The T-34) in two boxes, a single American medium (M4A3 Sherman), and no less than 6 German vehicles, 2 of those in two different boxes.
Adding all that up, there are only 3 boxes for the allies, and 8 boxes plus the Stuka Zu Fuss upgrade box for the Axis
Would they not be increasing the number of units sold, given the fact that they obviously care about their product and giving the consumer the options they want, if they produced a multiple kit which is based on the same chassis? Such as the French Renault FT light tank, the FT AC tank destroyer, and the FT 75 BS which were, as far as I can see, based on the same chassis. It should be relatively easy, if that is indeed the case, to get a product out which can be used as light tank, tank destroyer, or self-propelled gun, all in the same box.
And let's have a little more love for the allies. OK, I'm English and therefore biased, but their current range is heavily German-centric. If there is a particular game out there for these wonderful models, I bet everyone wants to be the Germans!
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Conrad Turner wrote:Yes.
As to your first point JD, I understand who they are actually making things for (and I am under no delusions that I'm one of their target market). I just postulated that they may get a boost to sales if they do a little research and prioritise any otherwise equal releases to those with a connection to WoT.
Personally, I don't want to see any of the Russian "Object 704" or whatever type of vehicles, and I'd love to see a PZ38(t) in their range. I also do not profess to know all of the tanks in WoT, but I'd bet a great many of them are the standards that anyone would think of and therefore should be included in any WW2 28mm tabletop game.
However, their range currently stands at a single Russian light tank (The T-34) in two boxes, a single American medium (M4A3 Sherman), and no less than 6 German vehicles, 2 of those in two different boxes.
Adding all that up, there are only 3 boxes for the allies, and 8 boxes plus the Stuka Zu Fuss upgrade box for the Axis
Would they not be increasing the number of units sold, given the fact that they obviously care about their product and giving the consumer the options they want, if they produced a multiple kit which is based on the same chassis? Such as the French Renault FT light tank, the FT AC tank destroyer, and the FT 75 BS which were, as far as I can see, based on the same chassis. It should be relatively easy, if that is indeed the case, to get a product out which can be used as light tank, tank destroyer, or self-propelled gun, all in the same box.
And let's have a little more love for the allies. OK, I'm English and therefore biased, but their current range is heavily German-centric. If there is a particular game out there for these wonderful models, I bet everyone wants to be the Germans!
I'd wager most are being used for Bolt Action, especially considering the recent huge increase in 28mm WW2 vehicle sales due to the Tank War supplement for Bolt Action.
But, yes, German vehicles are the most popular. But, Rubicon wants to make the most money, so it makes sense for them to start with the most popular vehicles and reinvest the profits made from those sales into less popular vehicles.
The T-34 is a medium tank, BTW - well, a heavy tank when it was first encountered in Barbarossa, eventually being reclassified as a medium tank. There were also 85,000 T-34's manufactured, making it and it's variants the most numerous tank of WW2, so it makes quite a bit of sense to make plastic kits of the T-34 variants
There's plenty more kits in development. Their Facebook page is updated often showing design sketches and schematics. M3 half track test pieces were shown today and they've been showing off the M5/M8 combo kit prototype pieces as well.
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Conrad Turner: As judgedoug had indicated, we are making vehicles based on need and popularity. As a new startup, we do need the cash-flow to keep the studio running. The Germans are being done first because there are plenty of reference material, basically historical pictures, blueprints and technical drawings, that we can easily access. Some vehicles just need the extra time to do research before we can start 3D drawing, AND some are more difficult to draw and design than others - for example, most British cruiser tanks and the German Panzer 38(t) because of the nuts and bolts on the vehicle hull.
We are making our products in plastic using a two-part steel mould, not resin with a silicon mould... it takes a lot of experience and efforts to produce plastic sprues. We are also limited by the number of sprues per kit because of practical and financial factors. Everything had to be taken into account before we can decide what to make. Being that said, we do listen to customer feedback; we have an active " Wish List" on our forum where we frequently update. We are making a major investment in an untested territory - 1/56 scale plastic kit! As you see most major model manufacturers will rather do popular scale (1/35, 1/48, and 1/72) and compete against each others, and not doing 1/56... you should know why!
We would like to see the 1/56 market growing in a healthy way. With everyone's support, we will continue to expand our product line with more vehicles from both Axis and Allies countries. Please check out our Facebook page or on our official forum regarding our WIP projects. Currently, we are working on at least 4 US and 1 British vehicle... just to make up the imbalance some of you might think we are biased.
Once again, thanks for your comments and support!
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Pretty much a work in progress, some detail work still needed to be done, but the overall design are shown here!
Even though we have made quite a few other M3 variants, we have not shown them all...
For more detail images of each of the variants, please go to the following link:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=132.30
NOT ALL will be used to produce as a plastic kit. These are prototypes for us to play around and to create the best M3 Half Track plastic kit for the masses.
We might incorporate the missing prototypes to another kit or an expansion kit later...
Please feel free to comment!
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More work for the M5A1 Stuart / M8 Scott is being shown!
The plastic kit(s) will enable you to build:
- M5A1 mid production variant
- M5A1 late production variant
- M5A1 Recce (Kangaroo) using a mid or late production chassis
- M8 75mm HMC
For more detail photos, here is the link:
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=138.30
Please feel free to comment!
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Post by: RoninXiC
The quality and quantity is impressive!
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Post by: Alpharius
It is!
Now I just need someone to put out a good Weird War II game that also uses tanks so I can buy up a ton of these!
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Love that M5A1/M8. Prefer the M8 side of it myself, but can easly see people getting loads to use as "Grot Tanks" for WH40K with that shot with the hedge cutter. Looks like it'll be very easy to 'Ork up'.
I am also impressed with the Pz3 I got. Goes together well, it's easy to work out sub-assemblies for painting, and once I can get some better control of my airbrush to use with the Vallejo "Dunkelgrau" set I bough, it should be easy enough to paint it quickly to a high standard.
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Finally a British tank! The A15 Crusader is our first British tank to be released. Took us many months of technical drawings to come to this stage!
The A15 Crusader will be a 3-sprue plastic kit:
- Options to build SIX Crusader variants - Mk I / I CS / II / II CS / III / AA Mk II/III
- Choice of three different side armour skirts
- Removable auxiliary hull turret (field modified)
- Can be build with or without rear fuel container
- Spare road wheels and minor accessories
For more photo and in-depth discussion, please visit our forum at http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=182.0
Enjoy!
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Hell yes. Now that's a nice piece of hardware!
Given the detail I've seen on the PzIII, that's going to be an amazing kit - and the options! Wow!
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Hot tanks.
Love the stug and crusader!
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The Opel Blitz series of 3-ton trucks proved the true backbone of German military strength in World War 2. Production began in 1937 and proceeded into 1944 to which some 70,000 2x4 Opel Blitz trucks were delivered out of German factories.
Our Opel Blitz project is a well-kept secret especially for Salute 2015. Features include:
- A 2 sprue plastic kit
- Single piece truck cabinet for ease of assembly
- Truck side boards can be assembled in open or closed position
- Detachable canvas top with rear tarpaulin in open or closed position
- 2 headlights options - standard or small blackout lights
- Optional accessories such as reflector, searchlights, spare tire, and fuel cans
Enjoy!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
That looks really useful,
you can never have enough trucks
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Post by: RobertsMinis
I would think the Opel Blitz would be a decent seller, I have a resin one from Warlord but wouldn't mind having a few more.
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Curious to see if it will remain an Opel Blitz though, most companies sell it under a far more generic "German cargo truck" name these days.
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3D Prototype of our M8 Greyhound and M20 Armoured Utility Car. Need some minor adjustments, but overall design is satisfactory. We have added an open driver hatch which is not shown in the prototype. Expected release date is Q3/15.
Objectives of this 1/56 M8/M20 plastic kit is as follow:
- a 2 sprue plastic kit to built either a M8 or M20 armoured car
- two MG arrangements for the M8 – rear mount or ring mount
- open front driver hatch
- external utility toolbox or land mine rack option
- simplified interior
Enjoy!
Rubicon Models
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Post by: Pacific
Have to say that looks fantastic!
Assume there should be some good crew options in existing Bolt Action plastics..
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Post by: Alpharius
With SOTR II about to launch, I need more WWII vehicles!
Anyone know where I can buy Rubicon's models here in the USA?
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Alpharius wrote:With SOTR II about to launch, I need more WWII vehicles!
Anyone know where I can buy Rubicon's models here in the USA?
NWS online gaming store stocks all of Rubicon's stuff. I always have very good transactions with them.
What is SOTR II?
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Post by: Pacific
'Secrets of the Third Reich' - it's a Weird War 2 game about to have a new edition launched on Kickstarter http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/646166.page
Although I don't know if you would be able to herd nazi zombies into an Sdkfz?
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Strombones wrote: Alpharius wrote:With SOTR II about to launch, I need more WWII vehicles!
Anyone know where I can buy Rubicon's models here in the USA?
NWS online gaming store stocks all of Rubicon's stuff. I always have very good transactions with them.
What is SOTR II?
Thanks!
NWS though?
A link - please?
I don't know if you can/would want to get zombies into a transport - though I definitely know you wouldn't want to but the bomb zombies in one!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Rubicons US distributor is
Golden Distribution
Tel: (866) 737-9540
Email: sales@golddist.com
Web:www.goldendist.com
you could see if they'll tell you who they supply (or if they'll supply at the consumer level too)
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Thank you for those links!
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NWS is awesome, just ask @Manchu as he has ordered from them in the past and speaks their praise
Golden Distribution is their distributor (formerly known as Warpath) so www.frpgames.com (which is their storefront), often they have random 30-40% off sales.
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Post by: Manchu
Just ordered the PSC Marder kit from them this past week. They are great.
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You using it in Bolt Action?
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I suppose I could but I am getting into 20mm specifically for Battlegroup.
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I love Rubicon's stuff, by SoTR is pushing me towards 1/48!
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1/56 in Rubicon's case.
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I personally can't really stand assembling proper model kits anymore (1/48 and 1/72 models). I need fast-build stuff like Warlord and Rubicon 1/56 or like PSC 1/72.
Sure a Tamiya 1/48 may be $5 cheaper than the same kit by Warlord or Rubicon but it takes five times as long to assemble. Same with 1/72. I _hate_ tracks in 1/72!
Oh gosh, I'm becoming a grognard.
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That IS a very good point, and might be just enough to push my away from 1/48.
Are Rubicon and Bolt Action/Warlord kits 'easy' to assemble?
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All Warlord kits are super easy to assemble! I haven't put any Rubicon kits together but they don't seem that much more complicated in reviews. They tend to have more options for folks who are really into the nitty gritty of WW2 vehicles.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
If you want easy of assembly you want to go for kits with single piece wheel & track assemblys
moving up in complexity you hit 'rubber band' style tracks which can be a pain to keep in stuck together if you're playing with them,
and finally the work of the devil individual track links, the click the glue types which are slightly easier but very breakable, and the glue only types which are for masochists (and poor suckers like me who build accurate scale models)
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Tamiya hard to assemble?
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Nah for a 'real' scale model Tamiya are the simplest of the simple...
Now Dragon on the other hand, so many bits, so many tiny bits, and so much photo-etched brass to bend into so many complicated shapes, glorious!
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I bought an Italeri kit the other day. It was a rude awakening.
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Post by: BrookM
Tamiya is affordable, perfectly cast and designed with ease of assembly in mind. Only downside is, these aren't wargaming kits.
Manchu wrote:I bought an Italeri kit the other day. It was a rude awakening.
Italeri is gak quality, which is why I wasn't happy with Warlord working with them on getting more tank kits out. It's not as bad as Airfix is, but still quite a step down from Tamiya.
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That may be true but all I meant was, i opened the box and it became very clear that I personally am used to playing with toys rather than building models ...
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Post by: RobertsMinis
I've built some of Italeri's "wargamer friendly" 1/72 quick build kits, they seem fine. Plus I've no complaints about the kits they have released with Warlord.
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Yeah, I made the mistake of not picking up a quick-build kit.
With Rubicon, it seems like you're getting a nice balance of wargamer-friendly assembly and modeller-level detail/options.
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Post by: BrookM
Rubicon are fun kits, my only point of annoyance as a non-rivet counter is that the insides of the tracks are blank, devoid of all detail, which is annoying, as those parts are quite visible with some kits.
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Alpharius wrote:That IS a very good point, and might be just enough to push my away from 1/48.
Are Rubicon and Bolt Action/Warlord kits 'easy' to assemble?
I put rubicon's 251 D together in 20 minutes. Only two sprues. Pretty easy.
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Rubicon models are very well thought out. The tracks alone are great, a very nice ballance between simplicity and show. The track and outer wheels come as a single piece, middle wheels [those that are part hidden behind the outer wheels] are next as a single peice where the individual wheels are connected by a small, hidden piece. The inner wheels are the same style as the middle ones. You then get the inner pieces of the drive wheels.
All in all, each track can be made from as little as 4 pieces and look great. But if you are able to put in the time and effort, the middle and inner wheels can be sepperated and the connecting pieces removed.
Personally, I don't think I'll bother. The connecting pieces seem well designed and should be easy to hide with a little thought with the paint, yet don't look like they'll even be that visible without any effort and certainly don't look like they block anything further in.
For the scale, they seem to be little gems. Nice amount of detail, good set of options, and the range of subjects is good.
Reminds me, I've got to look again. Last time I looked, their UK distributor didn't seem to have any of the trucks, and I'd live one of them for a possible diorama I have planned.
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From my own personal experience Rubicon and Warlord/Italeri are roughly the same level of complexity, which equates to a fully assembled model in under 30 minutes.
However, the Warlord-only (ie, not the Warlord/Italeri coproduced) kits (T-34/85, T-34/76, Sd. Kfz 251/1 ausf C, and Panzer IV) are even simpler to assemble than Rubicon and Italeri and have more sturdy parts. Actually Warlord's Panzer IV is my favorite plastic 1/56 vehicle.
Though I am very excited by all of the upcoming Rubicon releases and I'm going to pick up their recent 251 ausf. D kits.
Really it's great how we went from no plastic Wargaming 1/56 kits about 18 months ago to now almost being spoiled for choice, and it's only getting better!
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I see talented people, I see talented people everywhere
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M10 / Achilles / M36 3D Prototype Preview
Objective of our 1/56 plastic kit will be as follow:
- a 3 sprue plastic kit to build either a M10 / M36 or a 17pdr SP Achilles
- a common M4A3 chassis with two transmission cover options
- three interchangeable turrets – M10 / 17pdr SP / M36
- two rear engine compartments depicting a M10 or M10A1 chassis
- simplified interior for all turrets (gun details, ammo rack, etc)
- minor detail changes for different variants (head lights, gun travel lock, etc)
- the M36 turret can be used with our M4A3 kit (280012) to become a M36B1
3D prototypes of the M10/M36 project is finally done! Quite satisfied with the initial result. Going to make some minor changes to enhance the details and assembly... Now the most difficult process - what is going to stay and what is not! Too many parts right now, some need to be omitted!
Enjoy!
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BrookM wrote:Tamiya is affordable, perfectly cast and designed with ease of assembly in mind. Only downside is, these aren't wargaming kits.
Manchu wrote:I bought an Italeri kit the other day. It was a rude awakening.
Italeri is gak quality, which is why I wasn't happy with Warlord working with them on getting more tank kits out. It's not as bad as Airfix is, but still quite a step down from Tamiya.
I suppose that's the clincher, what you want the kit for.
I put together 1/32 Stug once, a Dragon kit, that was getting on for 900 pieces I believe. But, what a kit, absolute work of art. Everything fit together completely flush with not even a fraction of a mm gap or warping of the plastic. Read an article about the designing of that kit where Dragon had sent a couple of their guys over to Czech where they had recently pulled a nearly intact stug out of some boggy ground where it had sunk, and they'd done all their measurements based on that, right down to the engine components.
So, that's what you were getting with that kit. Not a wargaming kit, but something that appeals in a different way to different people. I know there is some crossover, but obviously that kind of thing is over-kill if you just want a miniature for wargaming. Which, is why some of these new kits from Rubicon and Warlord are such a god send!
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Hello, I wanted to ask if it was Rubicon's intent to produce crew upgrade kits in the future?
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Collinsas wrote:Hello, I wanted to ask if it was Rubicon's intent to produce crew upgrade kits in the future?
The answer is a definite YES, but we do not have a time frame for it yet. Our focus is to further improve our production technique before venturing into new areas; in this case, plastic miniatures.
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OMG those are so nice!
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Post by: prowla
I have to say that large watermark is a bit annoying, looks almost like camo on light vehicle colors. If you need to use it, I would suggest using a smaller one that covers a quarter of the image or something.
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That looks a LOT nicer than the Warlord one (which I just built). The one piece body is a big plus. Trying to line up the Warlord one was a pain, especially with their poor instruction sheet.
I LOVE the radio! I wish I could grab 2-3 extras to add to some recon jeeps.
When will this be available?
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When are the M8/M20, M5A1/M8 and M10 / M36 kits expected to be available?
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Post by: Azazelx
That M3 looks fantastic. Early September, eh? Good stuff. When is the Crusader due out?
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BrookM wrote:Rubicon are fun kits, my only point of annoyance as a non-rivet counter is that the insides of the tracks are blank, devoid of all detail, which is annoying, as those parts are quite visible with some kits.
That's my only criticism of the Rubicon Panther, otherwise it seems superior to the Bolt Action model. The way they achieve the interleaved wheels of the Panther is very effective and looks much better than the Bolt Action solid casting which lacks depth. But the tracks on the Rubicon kit are very crude and really seem a shame given the standard of rest of the model. I assume it's a result of some concessions given in Whats possible with the casting.
My Panther...
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Link no worky, Howard.
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Q3/15 new releases will be available in early September as follow:
280022 German Stowage Kit 1
280023 M5A1 Stuart / M5A1 Recce (mid & late production)
280024 M8 Scott / M5A1 Stuart (mid production)
280025 A15 Crusader
280026 SdKfz 305 3-ton 4x2 Cargo Truck (Opel Blitz)
280027 M3 / M3A1 Half Track
Retail pricing will be available at a later date.
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I think I see crew in these models!
Will they be and add on or included in the box?
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Collinsas wrote:I think I see crew in these models!
Will they be and add on or included in the box?
A driver and a side passenger are included in both the Opel Blitz and the M3/M3A1 Half Track kit.
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I know it is probably too late, but switching out the side passenger for a gunner to man the MG in the ring mount would be better.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Fixed now, just hidden pics in the spoiler
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Post by: Mousemuffins
Howard A Treesong wrote: BrookM wrote:Rubicon are fun kits, my only point of annoyance as a non-rivet counter is that the insides of the tracks are blank, devoid of all detail, which is annoying, as those parts are quite visible with some kits.
That's my only criticism of the Rubicon Panther, otherwise it seems superior to the Bolt Action model. The way they achieve the interleaved wheels of the Panther is very effective and looks much better than the Bolt Action solid casting which lacks depth. But the tracks on the Rubicon kit are very crude and really seem a shame given the standard of rest of the model. I assume it's a result of some concessions given in Whats possible with the casting.
My Panther...
I agree, The models are terrific, with the exception of the front of the tracks, which look very toy-like. Could this be considered as a separate part on future kits?
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Mousemuffins wrote: Howard A Treesong wrote: BrookM wrote:Rubicon are fun kits, my only point of annoyance as a non-rivet counter is that the insides of the tracks are blank, devoid of all detail, which is annoying, as those parts are quite visible with some kits.
That's my only criticism of the Rubicon Panther, otherwise it seems superior to the Bolt Action model. The way they achieve the interleaved wheels of the Panther is very effective and looks much better than the Bolt Action solid casting which lacks depth. But the tracks on the Rubicon kit are very crude and really seem a shame given the standard of rest of the model. I assume it's a result of some concessions given in Whats possible with the casting.
I agree, The models are terrific, with the exception of the front of the tracks, which look very toy-like. Could this be considered as a separate part on future kits?
This is due to the limitations with plastic injection moulds where we cannot imprint any details on the sides. Our design concept is to create highly detailed and accurate plastic models and yet easy-to-build and paint for gamers and modelers. We understand most people will put dirt on the tracks, so we opted to create one piece tracks for easy build and model integrity than having separate wheel and track pieces. As we are gaining more manufacturing experience, we are now looking into alternative ways to put some extra details onto the front tracks... probably starting from Q1/16 new projects!
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Post by: thesilverback
Great looking vehicles.
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RubiconModels wrote: Mousemuffins wrote: Howard A Treesong wrote: BrookM wrote:Rubicon are fun kits, my only point of annoyance as a non-rivet counter is that the insides of the tracks are blank, devoid of all detail, which is annoying, as those parts are quite visible with some kits.
That's my only criticism of the Rubicon Panther, otherwise it seems superior to the Bolt Action model. The way they achieve the interleaved wheels of the Panther is very effective and looks much better than the Bolt Action solid casting which lacks depth. But the tracks on the Rubicon kit are very crude and really seem a shame given the standard of rest of the model. I assume it's a result of some concessions given in Whats possible with the casting.
I agree, The models are terrific, with the exception of the front of the tracks, which look very toy-like. Could this be considered as a separate part on future kits?
This is due to the limitations with plastic injection moulds where we cannot imprint any details on the sides. Our design concept is to create highly detailed and accurate plastic models and yet easy-to-build and paint for gamers and modelers. We understand most people will put dirt on the tracks, so we opted to create one piece tracks for easy build and model integrity than having separate wheel and track pieces. As we are gaining more manufacturing experience, we are now looking into alternative ways to put some extra details onto the front tracks... probably starting from Q1/16 new projects!
You need slide-moulding friend
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Post by: Bolognesus
Heh, for the *inside* of the tracks? That would be one hell of a complex slide core tool!
Break out the bloody pigments already
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I'm not overly bothered by the lack of detail on the the inside of the time tracks for most of the models as most of the interior track will find itself obscured by wheels and running gear. What I do find a bit disappointing is the noticeable lack of detail on the outside of the tracks, especially on the tiger, as this requires either conversion or mud to rectify. At the end of the day though it's a minor thing to be concerned about I think, especially as the company's processes mature I hope to see it becoming less and less of an issue.
I did want to ask rubicon if we'll be seeming any Sherman upgrade kits in the near future with things like some crew members, stowage, and the M2HB .50's travel lock/stowage bracket on the back of the tank's turret*?
*Although maybe that last one would prove too small and too frail for a wargaming kit...
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Collinsas wrote:I'm not overly bothered by the lack of detail on the the inside of the time tracks for most of the models as most of the interior track will find itself obscured by wheels and running gear. What I do find a bit disappointing is the noticeable lack of detail on the outside of the tracks, especially on the tiger, as this requires either conversion or mud to rectify. At the end of the day though it's a minor thing to be concerned about I think, especially as the company's processes mature I hope to see it becoming less and less of an issue.
I did want to ask rubicon if we'll be seeming any Sherman upgrade kits in the near future with things like some crew members, stowage, and the M2HB .50's travel lock/stowage bracket on the back of the tank's turret*?
*Although maybe that last one would prove too small and too frail for a wargaming kit...
Collinsas, as we gained more experience with regards to mould making, we are now exploring various moulding techniques which gave reasonably good results. Our latest release in early September - the M3 half truck and the Opel Blitz - both uses a one piece cab body. We are now looking into other techniques to create track details for tanks... at least at places where it is most visible! Probably will see some results in 2016!
As for Sherman upgrade kits... we are working on it! The M10/M36 kit will come with a M36 turret that will fit onto existing M4A3 chassis, thus turning your tank into a M36B1 tank destroyer!
We are only an ONE year old setup, and we are still learning! Buy more to give us support!
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1/56 (28mm) Digital Test Sculpt
After summarizing comments and feedback from our fans, here is the 2nd version of our Digital Test Sculpt.
The size and proportion is an "in-between" Perry's and the generic wargaming figures.
We would like to create something that is (close to) anatomically correct, yet easy to paint and being able to be tough enough to handle on the gaming table.
Here is a familiar face... we certainly hope so
Our 3rd digital test sculpt with a more dynamic pose, incorporating more feedback from our fans on social media!
How about an American GI for a change?
This is still a WIP project. We will not go into production until we get our scaling and proportion up to our standard.
C&C much appreciated!
Enjoy!
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Oh. Nice. The tracks look a little nicer on the front than usual.
or am I seeing things?
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This is the painted TS1 plastic preview of our version of the SdKfz 251/1 Ausf C.
Together with our existing SdKfz 251/1 Ausf D (280018), these will be the base kits for our upcoming 251 Series Expansion Kits in 2016!
Enjoy!
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Preview of upcoming 1/56 (28mm) scale plastic kit:
1) Studebaker US6 U3 2.5t 6x6 Truck
2) Studebaker US6 with BM13 Katyusha MRL
More photos at https://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels/
Enjoy!
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Would it be possible to get a size comparison of a Panzer 3 next to a 1/48, 1/35 and a Games Workshop Leman Russ tank?
I'd like to know if I can use these models are counts as for my IG.
I hate GWs poopy tank track design and have been looking for replacements. 1/35 is too big, ordered some 1/48 to see size.
Didn't know about your company until I saw this thread. 28mm is 1/56 but GW is heroic so "biggerish".
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
So... much sexy in this thread!
Just a quick question on these three
Why is the muffler/exhaust pipe rusted? It's on all 3 but nothing else on the tank is, so I'm wondering if there's an engineering reason.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:So... much sexy in this thread!
Just a quick question on these three
Why is the muffler/exhaust pipe rusted? It's on all 3 but nothing else on the tank is, so I'm wondering if there's an engineering reason.
I think because the exhaust often ran so hot on German engines (many tanks had shields because they would glow at night) which would bake off the protective paint, exposing the bare metal to oxidation.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Wow these new plastic kits are looking excellent. If I ever get back into 28mm WWII I think I may be using you guys for vehicles, the quality seems top notch compared to the Warlord kits, especially with the Hanomag. The difference between the two is night and day.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:So... much sexy in this thread!
Why is the muffler/exhaust pipe rusted? It's on all 3 but nothing else on the tank is, so I'm wondering if there's an engineering reason.
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So anyone have any size comparison pics with these and GW models?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
amanita wrote:
I think because the exhaust often ran so hot on German engines (many tanks had shields because they would glow at night) which would bake off the protective paint, exposing the bare metal to oxidation.
Learn something every day.
Thanks
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Post by: Vulcan
It's common to most exhaust systems. It becomes prohibitively expensive to make something that WON'T rust under typical use conditions. So in the interest of economics, it's made to be disposable.
That's why muffler shops are so common in America.
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Post by: Azazelx
Some really great looking models here, and I really like the change to add crew to them as well. It'd be great to see them added to the 250 and 251s
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Rubicon Models added 8 new photos to the album Willys MB - US Version 3D Prototype.
3 mins ·
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Proposed features include (subject to change as design phase move forward):
• one sprue kit with single piece jeep body for model integrity & ease of assembly
• foldable windshield
• pole-mounted machine guns (M2 & M1919)
• spare wheel & jerry cans
• optional canvas top
• inlcude US driver, passenger, and MG gunner
• might incldue Airborne version (?)
• SPECIAL Commonwealth version available soon - SAS & LRDG variant!
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Rubicon Models Q2/16 New Releases will soon be available at your local store, check them out!
Together with the new releases are 10 new waterslide decal sheets in blister pack!
All individually wrapped and sealed from scratches and moisture!
For more info, here is our Facebook link: https://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels
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These look great, but has anyone got any comparison size shots to imperial guard tanks...?
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barnacle111 wrote:These look great, but has anyone got any comparison size shots to imperial guard tanks...?
Much, much smaller than 40k tanks. Based on real dimensions of real vehicles.
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barnacle111 wrote:These look great, but has anyone got any comparison size shots to imperial guard tanks...?
Most will be longer and shorter than your typical IG tanks.
About the only tanks that would match a leman Russ's profile would be an American Sherman or Lee, and I doubt they'd match up well either, although the chassis could work as a base for a conversion, itj would take a good deal of work to look good.
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Post by: insaniak
MrMoustaffa wrote:barnacle111 wrote:These look great, but has anyone got any comparison size shots to imperial guard tanks...?
Most will be longer and shorter than your typical IG tanks.
About the only tanks that would match a leman Russ's profile would be an American Sherman or Lee, and I doubt they'd match up well either, although the chassis could work as a base for a conversion, itj would take a good deal of work to look good.
A 1:48 Sherman matches up fairly well in height and length to a Russ, but is about an inch too narrow. So 1:56 would be far too small.
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insaniak wrote: MrMoustaffa wrote:barnacle111 wrote:These look great, but has anyone got any comparison size shots to imperial guard tanks...?
Most will be longer and shorter than your typical IG tanks.
About the only tanks that would match a leman Russ's profile would be an American Sherman or Lee, and I doubt they'd match up well either, although the chassis could work as a base for a conversion, itj would take a good deal of work to look good.
A 1:48 Sherman matches up fairly well in height and length to a Russ, but is about an inch too narrow. So 1:56 would be far too small.
just remembered, you'd also have to account for how small real world weapons would look in 40k.
The gun on a King Tiger for example would be about the same bore size as an autocannon, which kind of goes to show just how insanely large the calibres of 40k weapons are. You'd need a Sturmtiger cannon to make a decent demolisher proxy for example, which is one of the largest diameter weapons ever employed on an armored vehicle.
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40k vehicles are more like 1/48, 40k weapons are 1/35 or larger while models are 1/56 to 1/48.
So if a historical vehicle can be used in 40k depends on the actual real size.
A 1/48 M20 scout car fits well next to a chimera and a 1/48 KV-2 works good as LR-Ragnarok. While smaller tanks need to be 1/35 and larger ones 1/56. (a 1/56 Tiger 2 fits better for 40k than a 1/48 one, a 1/35 IS-3 can be used as BaneBlade)
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Over the past two months, we had been gradually showing you a series of 1/56 (28mm) scale SdKfz 250/251 plastic expansion sets, including:
1. SdKfz 250/1 Neu - base vehicle
2. SdKfz 250/3 & SdKfz 251/3 - standard radio vehicle
3. SdKfz 250/7 & SdKfz 251/2 - 81mm mortar carrier
4. SdKfz 250/8 & SdKfz 251/9 - with 7.5cm KwK37 L/24 Howitzer
5. SdKfz 250/9 & SdKfz 251/23D - with 2cm KwK38 L/55 Autocannon
6. SdKfz 250/11 & SdKfz 251/7 - with sPzB-41 Heavy AT Rifle
7. SdKfz 251/16 - Flammpanzerwagen
8. SdKfz 251/22D - with 7.5cm PaK40 AT Gun
We promised, we deliver (high quality but slowly)!
For more info on these kits, a link is provided below. Enjoy!
https://www.facebook.com/rubiconmodels
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For more info, please go to our website http://www.rubiconmodels.com
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Post by: Chimaera
Some interesting stuff in development from Rubicon which can be used in Bolt Action or just for modelling. These and a lot more in the thread below.
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=235.0
Bases.
Wittman & Co.
German Tank Crew.
Prototype Sprue.
German HMG team.
Monty.
British tank Crew.
Patton.
USA tank crew.
USA truck crew.
Various small arms weapons.
Russian tank riders.
Also looks like they are developing a buildings line.
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=55.0
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Really nice stuff!
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Loving the modular house, the idea of basically double sided Linka, but in plastic appeals no end
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Post by: Scrub
The modular houses look really excellent. I picked up my first Rubicon kit from Salute this year after keeping an eye on their (rapid) progress in announcing and releasing some impressive looking kits.
The early Panther tank I've assembled is once of the nicest, easy to build plastic kits I've ever tried, really impressive stuff.
To top this all off the terrain nut in me gets to hear you're developing modular plastic houses?! Too cool!
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Post by: Chimaera
Rubicon certainly seem to be raising the bar substantially in the 1/56 WW2 gaming arena.
The fact they are going all plastic is also a big plus in my opinion as it allows for much more kit bashing and customisation. I also think it shows they are a serious player in the market,.
Not sure what plastic colour they will produce them in? Hopefully the same as the Warlord ones as I find that colour quite easy to see when assembling and posing as going a bit blind close up LOL and dark plastic makes it harder for me. Their figure bases in the post 4 up would be an ideal colour for all their kits for me.
It's also interesting they are packaging weapons teams with some of their half tracks, wouldn't take much for them to sell them as separates? Shame they don't have their own web store but maybe going the distributor route will give them more exposure at this point.
Wouldn't take much to produce a PAK plastic set as looks like the AT rifle crew could easily work with the PAK. Just need a plastic PAK and different ammo boxes.
Some more German crew (from vehicle sets).
If they ever get to the point of producing plastic infantry sets they could pretty much sew up the market. They seem to have a massive passion to make the best they can and also a faithful reproduction at this scale of the original relevant tank, uniform, equipment etc. They also seem to build thir kits with not only gamers but modellers also in mind.
I have ordered a Tiger tank on ebay more out of curiosity than anything else and it will be interesting to see what it is like. I will certainly be keeping a close eye on Rubicon, especially once they start filling out their British range.
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For the same cost as a metal weapon team by another company one of the Rubicon Sd.Kfz addon kits includes two of the weapon and one of the crew. It seems moot then to sell them on their own, just use the extra vehicle bits for another project (with my alternative history stuff I used the spare top of the 251 with a 234 to make a 234 APC). The posing on the Rubicon one's won't be as dynamic due to them being a plastic kit of course, but well, that's what greenstuff's for.
Still waiting on the .222, Opel Maultier, and Opel Blitz radio cab kits coming out. Oh, and now they're coming out with new turret kits. Its just a pity that when Rubicon show something off that it'll be a year before its actually released. :/
Oh, and yes, at this point it should go unquestioned that in 1/56th Rubicon are selling the best plastic kits. Their miles ahead of Warlord's (hmn, maybe miles doesn't describe the difference accurately enough? On a whole other planet maybe). No seriously. ...Beyond just the underside of the tanks having details. Plus there's usually extra bits in the kits to make variants or different versions of the same vehicle. Warlord have a Tiger II coming out in a bit, which I'll buy, but I'll be waiting on Rubicon's (unfortunately when I asked whether they'd be making on a year ago they said they weren't going to focus on late war stuff).
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Wyrmalla wrote:For the same cost as a metal weapon team by another company one of the Rubicon Sd.Kfz addon kits includes two of the weapon and one of the crew. It seems moot then to sell them on their own, just use the extra vehicle bits for another project (with my alternative history stuff I used the spare top of the 251 with a 234 to make a 234 APC). The posing on the Rubicon one's won't be as dynamic due to them being a plastic kit of course, but well, that's what greenstuff's for.
Still waiting on the .222, Opel Maultier, and Opel Blitz radio cab kits coming out. Oh, and now they're coming out with new turret kits. Its just a pity that when Rubicon show something off that it'll be a year before its actually released. :/
Oh, and yes, at this point it should go unquestioned that in 1/56th Rubicon are selling the best plastic kits. Their miles ahead of Warlord's (hmn, maybe miles doesn't describe the difference accurately enough? On a whole other planet maybe). No seriously. ...Beyond just the underside of the tanks having details. Plus there's usually extra bits in the kits to make variants or different versions of the same vehicle. Warlord have a Tiger II coming out in a bit, which I'll buy, but I'll be waiting on Rubicon's (unfortunately when I asked whether they'd be making on a year ago they said they weren't going to focus on late war stuff).
Your suggestion could work but seems a no brainer to bring support team kits included in vehicles to market as separates.
Is it because they have limited technical staff that it takes so long? Or they are just so perfectionist? I guess it pays for them to get any kit they produce right.
If it was just down to limited development funds? They should just go Kickstarter. If they said they were going to produce a Sherman V/Firefly kit I would be in. As the bonus goals being met maybe they could produce a Universal carrier with bonus/add ons being HMG weapon, crew, British personalities/officers, maybe even a British Mortar crew LOL, they could think these up I am sure and more. If it meant waiting for 6-9 months I would be happy with that. I would be happy with a £30-35 pledge to support as I am sure would many others, especially if the add ons were good. I wonder how many supporters they would need at around this pledge amount to make it viable?
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They have a plastic infantry range in the works, so we may see individual teams in future. Though the weapons included in the upgrade kits so far are more niche than say machine guns are, so for the cost of creating new sprues I don't really see the point in them releasing individually. The upgrade kits are usually only one sprue as it is, and yeah, like I said, you're already getting 2 weapons for the price of any other metal weapons team kit... Just use the extra bits as objective markers or extra stowage for vehicles.
They're 3D printing the sprues, and the big push right now is for the original sprues to be as compatible as possible with future variant kits. At the moment, at a great cost I'd imagine, they're completely re-designing their Panzer IV kit to cover every possible version of the base tank, plus considering all the addons like flak guns, etc. So far it looks like they're aiming for around 4 releases a quarter at least (the next stuff up IIRC is the Opel Maultier, Opel Radio/ Ambulance Cabl/ Sd.Kfz 221 turret for the 250/251).
I imagine its all down to costs, plus the aforementioned future proofing. They just bought a line of resin French vehicles which they're retooling, so I doubt for such a new and small company they want to be rushing themselves. The Rubicon kits sell like hotcakes, so I doubt they're short on funds. Judging by the stuff they've shown on their Facebook group they must have at least a dozen kits in the works right now at least. I've no idea what Warlord's release schedule for plastic vehicle kits is like for comparison, but they're probably in the same ballpark for their WWII stuff (Warlord do come out with a load of resin vehicles, along with metal soldiers, and the odd plastic soldier kit. Plus have their other lines as well).
...Its just annoying seeing something in what the average wargamer would consider a finished state a year ago, but it still not being out for sale. However that doesn't account for all the manufacturing and sales considerations behind the scenes.
I really would like to see Rubicon selling a Tiger II though. :(
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Thanks for the heads up Wyrmalla, good to know they have plastic infantry incoming also. Do you have a link or any pic's as I couldn't find any concept art/pieces.
I came across the discussion when digging around on the purchase of the company who produced the French resin vehicles so obviously another string to the Rubicon bow although I have little interest in that stuff, I am sure it will broaden their range/appeal.
Not sure why they wouldn't focus on late war. That's where all the Gucci stuff/equipment is. Got to agree with you on the Tiger 2 and surely it would be a better seller for them than an ambulance etc but then again I am not in the know. Would seem to make sense from a sales point of view to bring the most popular stuff out first. Maybe they are niche filling gaps in the market more aimed at modellers?
They seem to have a hell off a lot fizzling away in the background. Maybe there will be a deluge of product at some stage? Point taken about the slow realisation of concept to market. If the quality is their I guess I can live with it
Anyway digging around I have found more stuff in the pipeline. Glad to see the Jeep & Para crew and liking the berets sculpting, much more realistic than others I have seen. Hopefully they will have some armament to add to it.
German anti tank crew.
Willy's Jeep with various crews.
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The infantry are the same models on their Facebook page. They're mostly just 3d models at the moment, but they did show the US GIs as part of a diorama. To me they look a bit chunky, and the proportions are distinctively 28mm (they compared some of the models of historical figures with period photographs. Its obvious how squashed the features are), They'll be there as an alternative to the existing plastics, which're mostly Warlord stuff at this point, so'll do as replacements for that line (hopefully the infantry will come with as many addons as the vehicle kits). I don't expect them to handle much climates/ periods other than a generic European theatre force however (no plastic Kharkov style Germans... :( ).
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Post by: judgedoug
They need to actually RELEASE all that stuff.
The plastic house was previewed in 2014.
Their release rate is the most disappointing aspect, as there's several dozen kits I want that definitely won't be released this year despite being previewed for several years now...
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Wyrmalla wrote:The infantry are the same models on their Facebook page. They're mostly just 3d models at the moment, but they did show the US GIs as part of a diorama. To me they look a bit chunky, and the proportions are distinctively 28mm (they compared some of the models of historical figures with period photographs. Its obvious how squashed the features are), They'll be there as an alternative to the existing plastics, which're mostly Warlord stuff at this point, so'll do as replacements for that line (hopefully the infantry will come with as many addons as the vehicle kits). I don't expect them to handle much climates/ periods other than a generic European theatre force however (no plastic Kharkov style Germans... :( ).
Guess we will be playing the waiting game on these, Italieri are safe for the moment.
judgedoug wrote:They need to actually RELEASE all that stuff.
The plastic house was previewed in 2014.
Their release rate is the most disappointing aspect, as there's several dozen kits I want that definitely won't be released this year despite being previewed for several years now...
I am a bit late to the party but can understand your frustration.
Well they seem to be on a roll this quarter and have just announced more kits to be released in Q2. Hopefully some of your wishlist is among them.
http://forum.rubiconmodels.com/index.php?topic=609.0
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Can't wait to get those Bikes for Africa
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Is all this too small for 40k? I really like some of the trucks.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Is all this too small for 40k? I really like some of the trucks.
I suspect if you added 40k weapons the scaling would look okay.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:Is all this too small for 40k? I really like some of the trucks.
Absolutely too small. You would need, at the minimum, 1/48 for 40k, but I would recommend 1/35 especially considering the current scaling GW has been doing since 2012.
1/56 scale are for 28mm. Take this picture into consideration.
The dude on the far right is a Perry WW2 British infantryman, truescale 28mm - effectively 1/56 scale. That's what Rubicon (and Warlord, and Company B, and Trenchworx, and anyone else making 1/56 vehicles) is scaled to.
Here's an old Dakka thread with 1/35 vehicles used with Warhammer 40k models. - https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/313817.page#1881413
And there is actually a Dakka wiki entry w/ vehicle scales - https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Scale_Model_Kits_for_40K
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The Perry troops is on a shorter base than the figures it is next to. It is slimmer than the human next to him, but not really much different in size overall.
And we're not talking about humans/people, we're talking vehicles. I really don't see why a Rubicon truck couldn't do as a small truck in Warhammer. Warhammer weapons put on it would give it a sense of Warhammer scale.
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CptJake wrote:The Perry troops is on a shorter base than the figures it is next to. It is slimmer than the human next to him, but not really much different in size overall.
And we're not talking about humans/people, we're talking vehicles. I really don't see why a Rubicon truck couldn't do as a small truck in Warhammer. Warhammer weapons put on it would give it a sense of Warhammer scale.
A Cadian or Catachan guardsman, aka, the standard for human sizing in 40k, would make a 1/56 truck look like a Power Wheels.
I can take a pic of some 40k figs with 1/56 WW2 vehicles if you'd like, when I get home from work. It's pretty bad.
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from facebook
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Rubicon Models uses ABS plastic for our products. The most important mechanical properties of Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene (ABS) are impact resistance and toughness, and because of its finer particles, it produces better detail on our products. And since our base customers are mostly tabletop gamers, we wanted our kits to be tougher to handle and be able to get knocked around a bit without getting damaged.
While some model kit manufacturers still use polystyrene (PS/HIPS plastic), we choose ABS over PS. ABS combines the strength and rigidity of acrylonitrile and styrene polymers with the toughness of polybutadiene rubber. While the cost of producing ABS is roughly twice the cost of producing polystyrene, it is considered superior for its hardness, gloss, toughness, and electrical insulation properties. Most important of all, ABS had less impact on the environment. Discarded polystyrene does not biodegrade for hundreds of years and is resistant to photolysis.
There are sporadic reports that some plastic cements don’t work on our products... which might be true because customers are using the wrong type of cement. Liquid cements that we bought for testing work well with our kits. Most liquid cement are now PS/ABS compatible, except for a few ones using older solvent formulas. Ask your hobby store to recommend a glue for you!
something I didn't realise (although I was aware their plastic felt a bit different),
guess my glue does both (although it won't stick lego which is also ABS?)
anyhow worth knowing if you're having issues
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Post by: Chimaera
Gotta agree these won't work with 40K, just a bit too small even for Guard.
Interesting info on the ABS plastic, wasn't aware of this at all.
Well got my Tiger through and popped it together earlier. Gotta say for the first Rubicon model I have built it's a great little kit. Goes together easy and just few very minor gripes.
Pro's
Instructions were easy to follow.
Came with options for early, mid and late war including three tops for the turret with different hatches, track sets and light configurations and also air filter and pipes that go at rear (not on my example) which look cool but more for dusty environments.
The pieces went together very easily with no gaps on mine at all, first time I have ever experienced this on a kit and didn't have to do the usual trim and fit job.
The tank looks great put together and feels/looks like a Tiger should.
Gun doesn't drop and can be positioned up (as in pic) or down and anywhere between.
Feels robust apart from MG on cmdr's hatch but that's unavoidable.
Con's
Be very careful trimming residual sprue of the pieces once snipped away from the main sprue. I was shaving a bit off the lower hull and the knife cut very easily taking a little more off than I wanted but no drama as was underneath anyway and only on a join.
The muzzle wasn't drilled out on the gun barrel (my biggest gripe).
Things like the gun sight and the bow machine gun would have benefited from a close up on the instructions.
I am not sure how the commanders will sit nicely in the turret once Rubicon produce them. It's a straight drop down to the hull! guessing they will advise how to do this.
Not so much a con but I would have loved this to have been in the lighter grey colour similar to Warlord plastic figures as I can see detail more easily when putting together. I also feel the Warlord colour/material has a less glossy finish and prefer it but this is a personal thing and I am sure others will have no problem with the darker grey on the Rubicon kits, The colour and look of the grey bases below I would much prefer.
The con's were really minor and all in all I loved the kit, very well done Rubicon! Cant wait to get Wittmann & Balthasar to pop in the top hatches.
By the way I used Citadel plastic glue with the thin long metal applicator and it worked fine with the ABS plastic Rubicon use.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
Right, just to put it out there; in no way shape or form will 1/56th scale models work for Warhammer 40K. 40K's models stand around 1/48th scale in height, but are far, far wider than a normal human of that scale (I'm talking by like a 1/3rd at least). You might be able to creatively hide a 1/48th scale model with your 40K stuff, but even those will look *really* titchy compared to Game's Workshops stuff. For example: a Tamiya 1/48th StuG comes out as being a smidge thinner than a Chimera, but about 1/5th shorter. A 1/35th scale Sd.Kfz 251 comes out slightly thinner than a Chimera, but about 1/5th- 1/4th longer (bearing in mind that in the real world a StuG III was around 1/3rd wider than a Sd.Kfz 251).
Below's a Rubicon 1/56th Opel Blitz (or rather an Opel Maultier, but semantics) compared to a Tamiya 1/48th Opel Blitz. Both vehicle's ends are in the same position. The infantry here are a 1/56th Clockwork Goblin Fallschirmjäger (on a small integrated base) and a Cadian (Warlord Game's models are *not* 1/56th scale. They're around the same height, but they're "heroic" 1/56th - as in again, excessively wide).
I personally use 1/48th scale models alongside my 1/56th scale stuff as super heavies. A 1/48th scale Panther tank used alongside 1/56th vehicles comes in just smaller than an E-100 Super Heavy Tank...
For demonstration as well, an image I stuck up here a while back of a comparison between 28mm scale WWII models. The one third from the right is an actual 1/48th scale model (which is where I prod 28mm WWII players who use 1/48th scale models with their 1/56th scale troops. Yeah, they look all right if your models are really wide, but tanks are not that big in the real world. ...Ah, that's been discussed to death though).
The manufacturer's are on the image's page btw if anyone wants to pick up any of those
So to summarise: I'd say 1/48th in 40K could be used as set dressing and civilian vehicles, but they're still really titchy compared to Games Workshop's models (again, and I have to emphasise this *really* titchy based on experience). A 1/35th scale Sherman is around the same size as a Leman Russ, though naturally, the Sherman's barrel's still nowhere near the GW model's size (you'd need to buy one a German Sturmtiger to come close). 1/56th scale model's use in 40K is for being torn up and converted into other junk to disguise how small they are. Hell Forgeworld Grot Tanks are a similar size to full sized tanks in 1/56th...
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Thanks all, really thorough answers!
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Post by: Justyn
Having seen several model kits converted to 40k. I'd say the best ones are 1/35 kits that have been shortened. That is they have been cut somewhere in the middle, had an inch or two taken out then put back together. The reasoning there is that most 40k vehicles are very wide when compared to most real vehicles.
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Post by: kodos
It depends always on the original size of the tank
a 1/48 Tiger works well as Battletank in 40k, while a 1/56 SdKFZ 222 or similar is perfect as Tauros (the FW Speeder) or Ork Buggy and a 1/35 FT1 is the right size to be used for Ork Trucks
but standard modern transport tanks works best in 1/35 and be cut down
http://kodosderhenker.blogspot.co.at/2012/10/135-jgsdf-type-82.html
http://kodosderhenker.blogspot.co.at/2015/02/135-jgsdf-type-82-count-as-chimare.html
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Post by: Justyn
That is really sweet looking.
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