And Malibu Stacy has a new hat, that is to say the new Dark Vengeance box comes with one extra model, the plastic Aspiring Champ that's been out since the Chaos 'Dex hit. The pictures are here, at least for the time being. Obviously I can't upload them to Dakka, so for the time being these terrible terrible pics may work:
$410 Australian for the new gaudy board. Wonderful...
The DV Chaos contents:
And a couple of Ork bundles:
As always, the person taking these photos chose to do so in the middle of an earthquake, as that's my only explanation for photographs so terrible. So enjoy... I guess.
Love the unbiased thread title hard to tell what the new board will look like tbh, but won't pick one up after I have seen Frontlines alternative. So much less hassle with the mouse pad style.
And yeah... What is the deal with these photos. I suggest a kickstarter for a better phone for these guys...
Again with the rubbish photos at the start of the week, put money on decent "leaked" photos coming out in a day or so. This is far too much of a pattern not to be deliberate, I really struggle to believe that every single person taking the first set of photos of WD each week only has a potato for a camera, and everybody who takes the second set has a quality DSLR type camera.
Jesus, how many more Ork releases are there going to be? I know it's only bundles, but this is what, the 7th week now? In the grim darkness of the Far Future, there are only Orks...
Hmm, an extra mini might give me a reason to buy DV again. I can always use more DA, and Cultists for Inq conversions, another Brute would give me a nice hobby project, and I'd be a couple of arm swaps and a box or two of CSM and I have the makings of a Chaos force... The Aspiring Champ is a cool model, and I do love the new chaos aesthetic. This becomes tempting.
Not sold on the board, but at the price, it could be the best thing in the world and I wouldn't touch it.
When the term 'bundle' is used, do you mean like the Mek Mob or Strike Forces? (a box set with a built in discount) or do you mean as a one-click-collection?
I'm hoping the former.
Huh. Zagstrukk bundle is decent. Saves you about $12.50 on buying the contents separately. Fits pretty close with a lot of the new bundles that actually offer savings- around 15% give or take a few.
Well, it's not really a mat though. It's another board like the Realm of Battle. I think it looks neat, although I already have one RoB board and don't exactly need a second.
And their solution is to release a $400 piece of plastic? Nah. I doubt they even know the Frontline mats exist (no offence to Frontline - those things are great! ).
I was able to make an entire 'city' board for less than the price of just this playing surface. That included wood for the table itself, a host of premium MDF building kits, surfacing materials and sprays/paints etc.
There are loads of tutorials and videos out there with guides for making your own 'city of death', very easy for 40k if you just take the route of using ruins, but the sad thing is that so many youngsters coming into wargaming will see the RoB board as the only option, rather than the 'hobby' side of things, of creating something for yourself.
Although maybe with that price-point it is aimed at bank managers and system engineers who have the money, but not the time at the weekend to go to a DIY store and buy a piece of MDF and some glue..
Pacific wrote: I was able to make an entire 'city' board for less than the price of just this playing surface. That included wood for the table itself, a host of premium MDF building kits, surfacing materials and sprays/paints etc.
There are loads of tutorials and videos out there with guides for making your own 'city of death', very easy for 40k if you just take the route of using ruins, but the sad thing is that so many youngsters coming into wargaming will see the RoB board as the only option, rather than the 'hobby' side of things, of creating something for yourself.
Although maybe with that price-point it is aimed at bank managers and system engineers who have the money, but not the time at the weekend to go to a DIY store and buy a piece of MDF and some glue..
It's a shame too, half the reason I used to bother to go into GW every month for the new releases was to see what amazing new themed promo-table the store staff might have built; the guys at GW Edinburgh pulled off some real crackers, the Mordheim board stood out, as did one featuring a large hill along one edge of the board which had Skaven-filled tunnels carved into the back you could see through a sheet of perspex. Almost every GW store you'd visit would have at least one or two unique tables, these days visiting a GW is like going to a MacDonald's - they all look the same, serve the same stuff, and have the same identikit staff-drones reeling off the same scripted sales patter(and that's a dig at company policy not the staff themselves, before anyone chucks a hissy).
Note that I'm not having a go at the idea of premade terrain, a lot of the plastic terrain GW make is fantastic and I own a fair whack of it, I just think it's a shame they decided to try imposing their "all-GW, all the time" mindset to one of the most creative and fulfilling aspects of wargaming. If they pitched it as "here's premade stuff that would be massively complex to build yourself, or for people who don't have the time/inclination to make their own, look how cool they are when combined with this custom-made table and terrain" it'd be much more appealing than the current setup.
Pacific wrote: I was able to make an entire 'city' board for less than the price of just this playing surface. That included wood for the table itself, a host of premium MDF building kits, surfacing materials and sprays/paints etc.
Same thing. Two friends of mine put together and 8x6 table (in two halves), textured and painted. I built a ruined city over the next week from regular and double-strength cardboard sheets. It was amazing. Cost next to nothing.
These boards GW keep making are awful. Overpriced useless junk that never changes (those hills are always going to be those hills - they will always be there), and even once you have it you still need to get terrain to put on it, and you're already out $400. The best table surfaces are flat ones, and the you put terrain on them.
The FW boards don't annoy me as much as they're themed boards for a specific purpose (the crashed Thunderhawk, the bunker, the genetorium or whatever it's called). I'd prefer those things separate without the board (I'd buy a crashed Thunderhawk terrain piece in a heartbeat).
Out of curiosity, does anyone even buy GW boards? They're overpriced for the gak they are, and looking at the numerous youtube tutorials, making a table honestly doesn't seem to require much more than time and patience.
Hell it makes me wonder if there's even a real market in the first place.
I'm a huge fan of the old ROBB. I think It's actually good Value. I've had mine for 5 and ahalf years and it's almost as good as new. the flock has worn out a little, the hard plastic is a you expect still perfect.
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^^ seriusly has been used for 5 years...
before I get labeled a GW white knight. I have 3 non GW boards and 4 more ordered!
I have the warsmith cardboard mat and recommend that. it has visable creases but on the urban mat these are not a problem.
http://www.gamesandgears.co.uk/ boards look amazing, I expect they will be on sale soon. website says £115 so almost half the GW board. and a lot cleaner/clearer.
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this is a production Photo, the boards will come pre-painted.
I have four versions of the G&G boards ordered via kickstarter.
Also available.... Secret weapons boards look nice if a little too bumpy.
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I will check these out when they hit retail.
I'd would have a few frontline mats if they would remove the logos. The look amazing. but I hate the idea that they put their marketing vanity before the gamers.
So sure this GW offering is gaudy but I wouldn't expect anything different! £200 is expensive, but being that I'll probably still be playing on it in 2020 I don't think the price is too bad. I'll Probably get this, It's Good to have options.
I'd would have a few frontline mats if they would remove the logos.
The look amazing. but I hate the idea that they put their marketing vanity before the gamers.
I'd know it was there and it would piss me off, that's not what I want when I spend my money.
If their logo ego is more important than me having a clean gaming surface that is brand free ... feth 'em...
During the kickstarter I did comment that if it's so small and they think we'd not even notice it why bother with it?
Or they could have put it on the back.
They were adamant in their thread that both companies Frontline and TableWar’s logo had to go on the gaming surface where everyone could see it.
Removing it was not an option they were willing to discuss... If you want one it comes covered in logos.
So NO purchase from me.
Because I don't have one I can't/don't recommend it to friends/forum users and any publicity it gets from me comes with a with a negative EgoLineTableGaming spin.
If they'd removed the logo I'd own one, I'd probably be telling people how great it is, Showing you guys it in batreps.
I'd be telling folk where they can get one etc.
I'm not sure how many extra sales that would generate... but I guess some.
I'd just make your own- you can make some pretty awesome rural boards with just the stuff you find at your local Home Depot or Lowes. Liquid glass for a purty river, bushes, trees, rocks, etc, all can be easily made. Like I said, you just need time, patience, and a garage.
I have one of the old RoBs. Purchased it recently. I saw videos and stuff about making your own table, after about 3 years of not making my table finally decided to buy this thing. I really don't have the expertise, time and drive to build my own. I would love to though but until then my RoB will be there. I plan to buy this new one in the future because I liked the quality of the RoB and think it's a fair price to pay for it.
I have no problem whatsoever with pre-made terrain or boards. As has been said, they are perfectly serviceable, open to conversion, and are great for people with money but not time. I own a fair amount of it myself.
My problem is that this is presented by GW as the only way of doing it. The White Dwarf mags and terrain building guides that I grew up with as a kid, and inspired the imagination while it gave me something to work with for my own building, no longer exist. The classic I saw most recently was some terrain that had been made from base plates of Leman Russ tanks because basically the person creating the terrain wanted something flat, and I'm guessing the implication was there to buy a few Leman Russ to make this terrain, rather than a piece of plasterboard and knife?!*
*Please note, I'm pretty sure this isn't actually real. But, I may have mentioned it to someone as a joke, and I'm now not entirely sure whether I read it in the magazine or not. Someone please confirm whether I'm joking..
I dunno, it's perhaps improper that I feel a sense of entitlement towards GW's 'duty' in this regard? But, I do know that a lot of younglings coming into the hobby now are faced with massively expensive pre-made terrain and boards, dull in-line photos of the latest miniatures on the cover of WD, absolutely nothing to help fire imagination and creativity beyond what they must buy to experience. These were once the keystones of the GW hobby, and have now been moved aside to make way for the opportunity to push perhaps just a few more sales of pre-made terrain and boards.
A brand new Warhammer 40000 Citadel game board. Compatible with the current Citadel Realm of Battle game board. 6 x 2'x2' detailed plastic tiles - 2 designs, 3 tiles of each design. Makes 1 x 6'x4' gaming board. Presented in a fabric bag with shoulder strap.
The pictures I saw (now taken down) appeared to be printed board not moulded plastic. & RedFox, 2 designs are horrendous. I think I'm just going to get one of those fabric gaming mats as I'm currently getting in to WW2 games & this period theme won't look out of place in the 40K setting as many worlds are at different technological levels.
RedFox wrote: A brand new Warhammer 40000 Citadel game board. Compatible with the current Citadel Realm of Battle game board. 6 x 2'x2' detailed plastic tiles - 2 designs, 3 tiles of each design. Makes 1 x 6'x4' gaming board. Presented in a fabric bag with shoulder strap.
My local store (no gw) sold the White Dwarf already....sooooo....i could scan the pictures and upload them for your viewing pleasure. Where should i host them?
But confirmed...the new board is 2 tiles and you get those two 3 times each. Not sure what to think about that...it looks great on the pictures and you barely notice the repeating pattern, but, well, there are two big armies and about 16 GW buildings and craters on top. And in one article they mention problems with rolling dice on the surface (it is moulded, not printed - you have to paint the thing, there is a "how to" in the WD) and advice you to roll them in a box instead.....yeah, thanks.
Tombard wrote: My local store (no gw) sold the White Dwarf already....sooooo....i could scan the pictures and upload them for your viewing pleasure. Where should i host them?
Ok, i had a...fight with my scanner and have to go to bed for now -.- i will post them tomorrow morning.
Orc bundles are: Badrukks Flash Gitz €105 and "Da Geiaz" (german name, dont know the english one) €75.
RoB board is €260 and there are some online bundles with different terrain which save you some money and resin basing kits with designs fitting the new board.
Pacific wrote: I have no problem whatsoever with pre-made terrain or boards. As has been said, they are perfectly serviceable, open to conversion, and are great for people with money but not time. I own a fair amount of it myself.
My problem is that this is presented by GW as the only way of doing it.
On a more positive note, hey, DV gets a cover art! Good, the all black box was hella-lame. Aspiring Champion is a nice touch (and slightly balances the forces), though cynic in me says that they weren't selling too many, so they decided to bundle them with DV to get rid of them.
Wyzilla wrote: Out of curiosity, does anyone even buy GW boards? They're overpriced for the gak they are, and looking at the numerous youtube tutorials, making a table honestly doesn't seem to require much more than time and patience.
Hell it makes me wonder if there's even a real market in the first place.
I have a ROB board. I also have 2 Secret Weapon boards from the KS. They aren't cheap (ROB was $230, SW boards were $175 each and that is buying all at significant discounts to the MSRP), but they are high quality, durable, and save me time, which is one thing I never seems to have these days.
I hope they release a 2-tile expansion for this board like they did with ROB. I have no need for 6 more 2x2 tiles but I'd like 1 of each design.
Wyzilla wrote: Out of curiosity, does anyone even buy GW boards? They're overpriced for the gak they are, and looking at the numerous youtube tutorials, making a table honestly doesn't seem to require much more than time and patience.
Hell it makes me wonder if there's even a real market in the first place.
I bought a ROBB when I had a lot of overtime money and felt grand. I regret the purchase; I never use it. It's been sitting in a pile in the corner of my gaming room pretty much since I finished painting it, I only use it to photograph my Necrons on. I really prefer my Zuzzy mat.
If I ever made some Necron terrain, though, I might use it again, but I never seem to find the time for that.
Pacific wrote: My problem is that this is presented by GW as the only way of doing it.
Yeah. The Sanctus Reach book contains a bunch of scenarios, and in every single one of them it has a map diagram. The map is always the Realm of Battle, and the terrain is always icons to represent various Official™ Citadel™ Terrain™ Kits™, right down to the Citadel™ Forest™. When's the last time a picture of miniatures in anything they produce was shown on anything other than a RoB table?
All right, my scanner hates me...i took some photos and uploaded them. Thing is...the pics are flipped after the upload, even though they are correct on my computer. Gnampf -.- Sorry guys and ladies, but this will have to do now...
The basing kits: 20 small and 5 terminator bases and some stones for €26
If only the regular blurry photo poster, (who is no way GW trying to be sneaky, no not at all.... ) could learn to take photos as good as this.
Spoilered because they are HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
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Dear GW,
LESS IS MORE!
Sincerely,
Me.
This new ROBB is super cluttered. The "road" is a mess. The, what I can only guess are footpaths, look more like something you'd find on a starship and they've filled their pictures with massive tanks and gak that obscure everything.
Thank you for the pictures. And thank you for not choosing to take them in the middle of an earthquake.
Wow... I was right about the gaudy part. And two designs? That means those eagles are always going to be there - three of 'em. The whole thing looks like Cities of Death wall and floor tiles lain flat. Awful.
EDIT: And let me echo what Snrub said - Less is most certainly more.
It does look pretty nice with the buildings on it. Sure they could've pushed the boat out just a little bit more for the boards, feature wise. I'll not be buying one though. I have x4 nice DZ mats to play with for city fights.
Tombard wrote: All right, my scanner hates me...i took some photos and uploaded them. Thing is...the pics are flipped after the upload, even though they are correct on my computer. Gnampf -.- Sorry guys and ladies, but this will have to do now...
The basing kits: 20 small and 5 terminator bases and some stones for €26
Does it say the prices for the Ork bundles in the WD?
I'm not hugely fussed by the fact that it's two tiles (I don't imagine that Imperial cities really have much in the way of variety when you get up into the level of Hive Cities ), but I am fussed by the fact that I can't buy the tiles individually so far.
Tombard wrote: All right, my scanner hates me...i took some photos and uploaded them. Thing is...the pics are flipped after the upload, even though they are correct on my computer. Gnampf -.- Sorry guys and ladies, but this will have to do now...
The basing kits: 20 small and 5 terminator bases and some stones for €26
Does it say the prices for the Ork bundles in the WD?
It does, and i wrote the prices on page three...have a look. Dont have them at hand right now^^
Wait, what is it supposed to be? It just looks like some bizarre starship deck plating that has skulls and dirt underneath. Nothing looks like roads or sidewalks
BrookM wrote: Pity that the basing kit is so expensive, it looks rather useful actually.
Fortunately, as with most things GW, the exact same thing can more or less be duplicated much more cheaply, like literally half the price, or much greater volume for similar cost.
I did a quick Google, and 20 x 28mm round bases with an Urban theme can be had for ~£8
I like the board. I would have liked more variety in the tiles, and think only having 2 unique tiles is a missed opportunity, but I gotta say those photos of the game board in action look really cool to me. I love the exposed pipes and ruined building foundations, and how well the boards blend with the Cities of Death building kits.
Is it over priced? Yeah. Is it over the top with bits and bobbles everywhere? Yeah. But those are traits of 40k in general, and this looks like how I imagined an Imperial city would look like so that is a success in my mind.
Yeah, that Aspiring Chump model that I swear nobody bought because it has a (IMHO) weapon loadout. Between the price and the monopose, everything screamed "NO" about that model to me. I ended up using the Chosen out of the 2-3 DV boxes I ended up with as Aspiring Champions. Still generally a good deal, though, especially if you're trading the DAs away (or the other way around).
If I needed more cultists, I'd consider getting another DV box myself, but I still have another 20 or so on the sprue and 10-15 more that are mostly painted but need more work.
Is it too much to ask for a proper multipart Cultist kit? At the very least so we can have more interesting Cultist champions than Bill and Ted (all of my character models in my CSM warband are named, helps with dealing with the chaos boon table) there?
If you painted the sidewalks a metal/rusted brown color, covered the streets and floors in rubble and covered some crap up in Green Stuff/Rubble it wouldn't look as bad. The paintjob does the board a disservice.
Tombard wrote: All right, my scanner hates me...i took some photos and uploaded them. Thing is...the pics are flipped after the upload, even though they are correct on my computer. Gnampf -.- Sorry guys and ladies, but this will have to do now...
The basing kits: 20 small and 5 terminator bases and some stones for €26
Does it say the prices for the Ork bundles in the WD?
It does, and i wrote the prices on page three...have a look. Dont have them at hand right now^^
alphaecho wrote: It just looks too busy for me. If I had the space,
it would have to be the Forge World tiles.
WHAT?!!
SPEAK UP, I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THAT £200 MONSTROSITY!!
I SAID.........
By the way, cheers for making me choke on the gobful of hot coffee I'd just drunk.
Mainstream GW seem to go out of their way to avoid getting something completely right. Its as if Mel Brooks set The Producers in the world of figure manufacturers. They' re trying to crash but so far, enough people are still buying (from the man who bought a Stormclaw set).
I hate to admit it, but I actually like all the crazy cluttered mess. I've noticed pipelines underneath as well as the Imperial Eagles. I'd likely paint it a bit different, but It exudes the over the top gothic feel of the Imperium.
But, a dice tray (box lid) would be a necessity as they'd fall into every little hidey hole on this terrain piece.
judgedoug wrote: Wait, what is it supposed to be? It just looks like some bizarre starship deck plating that has skulls and dirt underneath. Nothing looks like roads or sidewalks
Tombard wrote: But confirmed...the new board is 2 tiles and you get those two 3 times each.
Yay for taking the cheap way out and charging a premium price for it.
And in one article they mention problems with rolling dice on the surface (it is moulded, not printed - you have to paint the thing, there is a "how to" in the WD) and advice you to roll them in a box instead.....yeah, thanks.
I found that you really need to do the same with the original RoB board as well. It's horrible for rolling dice on.
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gorgon wrote: City streets tend not to have bright copper areas, etc.
City streets also tend to no have raised reinforcing bands every 6 feet, and footpaths specifically designed to break pedestrians' ankles.
I honestly can't figure out what they were going for with this thing. The roads are just silly, and the footpath and 'ground' areas look far more like walls. It's like someone tried to build a city on the side of a space hulk, but wasn't quite sure what roads are actually for...
Yep, I have to agree it looks pretty awful. No idea what they were trying to pull off, but it doesn't really look like a city tile.. I think best use for it would be to saw it into pieces and use it as ruined walls
Tombard wrote: But confirmed...the new board is 2 tiles and you get those two 3 times each.
Yay for taking the cheap way out and charging a premium price for it.
And in one article they mention problems with rolling dice on the surface (it is moulded, not printed - you have to paint the thing, there is a "how to" in the WD) and advice you to roll them in a box instead.....yeah, thanks.
I found that you really need to do the same with the original RoB board as well. It's horrible for rolling dice on.
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gorgon wrote: City streets tend not to have bright copper areas, etc.
City streets also tend to no have raised reinforcing bands every 6 feet, and footpaths specifically designed to break pedestrians' ankles.
I honestly can't figure out what they were going for with this thing. The roads are just silly, and the footpath and 'ground' areas look far more like walls. It's like someone tried to build a city on the side of a space hulk, but wasn't quite sure what roads are actually for...
In fairness- normal city streets dont march giant stompy robots or roll giant tanks like Baneblades down there.
The only cool thing there is that demon rhino thing. All those pink arms haha.
Its too busy though. It looks like walls are in the ground and its kind of confusing to look at. Since it has foot paths and so on it doesnt look like you can change it up too much without being restricted to a few zones where buildings/ rubble can be placed.
Over all its a bit much for very little. However the opposite is true for cost.
Swastakowey wrote: The only cool thing there is that demon rhino thing. All those pink arms haha.
Its too busy though. It looks like walls are in the ground and its kind of confusing to look at. Since it has foot paths and so on it doesnt look like you can change it up too much without being restricted to a few zones where buildings/ rubble can be placed.
Over all its a bit much for very little. However the opposite is true for cost.
** Edit Looks like a Tzeentch possessed Rhino. Not a bad idea with the horrors poking out of it
The board is positively excremental. It doesn't look like a functional piece of scenery. just like the GW plastic buildings, which look like theater props.
Allow me to perform a vital social function on the internet:
That board is literally Hitler.
There, we're good, we can all move along now until the next amusingly awful GW idea rears its head.
To appear constructive, this thing honestly hits every bad mark it possibly can; gaudy, ludicrous design in all the wrong ways (silly skull pits, GIANT AQUILAS, PRAISE THE EMPEROR, the bonebreaker 3000 sidewalks, etc), repetitive with only two giant gaudy tiles, and extremely expensive.
I scoffed at the Forgeworld RoB boards, as while I liked the aesthetic and obvious attention to subtle detail, worn where it should be just sufficiently to look like, with a good paintjob, that they'd pass as a city of the grim darkness of the far future, or a plausible fortification, but at $700 for a whole board, I'd never consider them without one hell of a windfall. My club has one of the Necron complexes (two, technically), and they're awesome, but they're too rich for my blood. This GW...thing offers less variety, worse aesthetic choices and is still ridiculously expensive. The only thing it accomplishes is makes the FW ones look more attractive, to say nothing of the competition.
Honestly, aside from Secret Weapon and a handful of others, most people seem to be leaning more and more towards decent mats or other inexpensive options; I'll drop some money to give a table a nice aesthetic, but once we breach the $200 mark for a blank plastic/resin surface, even with my limited time and skills, I'd rather try to make something.
A small point (although I realize most folks on this thread do not like the board).
-The WD indicates this board and the Imperial Sector is $400 US. Individually, the Imperial Sector is $120 US, so they are somewhat discounting if you buy the bundle. Standard Delivery is no charge and Fast Delivery is $15.
insaniak wrote: I honestly can't figure out what they were going for with this thing. The roads are just silly, and the footpath and 'ground' areas look far more like walls. It's like someone tried to build a city on the side of a space hulk, but wasn't quite sure what roads are actually for...
Imperial Defensive Works. The bands on the roads and the ankle breaking foot paths are all defensive measures designed to make attacking Hive cities even more deadly for an outside force. You can't dodge bullets when your fibula is sticking out of your pants!
I didn't mind the board (because I won't buy it), until I realized that this means we'll see every fight in White Dwarf somewhere between Skull Pit Plateau and Shattered Fibula Promenade. Ugh.
These would have made nice Space Hulk walls, though.
RedFox wrote: the board looks great, I love the basing kit that goes with it
you guys are a bunch of bitches
Glad you like it. That'll be at least one sale. Sadly, I don't quite like either the new board or the bases. The bases in the kit seem a little small for toppers and the board is massively cluttered. Fortunately, I've got a set of Secret Weapon urban rubble tiles coming in so I don't have to worry much about my 40k games. I'll probably try to snag a used set of GW regular RoB boards for Fantasy. Yes, foam is cheaper but hard plastic is never going to need replacing unless you are a walking disaster area.
Some of those grots look familiar - I'm sure I've seen them in metal a few years back. If this is just a Finecast rerelease of those same models, I'm not interested, but would buy several kits if they're in plastic.
Clang wrote: Some of those grots look familiar - I'm sure I've seen them in metal a few years back. If this is just a Finecast rerelease of those same models, I'm not interested, but would buy several kits if they're in plastic.
From the description on GW’s site:
Description
Kaptin Badrukk is a notorious Freebooter and the greatest Flash Git there ever was. Together with his motley krew of like-minded Flash Gitz, he travels the galaxy as a git for hire (as long as you can afford his outrageous fees).
This set contains: 1 Kaptin Badrukk made in Citadel Finecast, 10 multi-part plastic Flash Gitz and 6 Citadel Finecast Ammo Runts, four of which are brand new to this set.
I've got to hand it to GW at least a little. The Dark Vengeance repackage is a genuinely good thing to have done. - And the Aspiring champion redresses the chaos balance a little too (though I can't help but think that a chaos sorcerer would have been a better move).
In any case, it's a reasonable price (I can't help but think that Infinity: Operation Icestorm may need to worry about that...), especially compared to Stormclaw.
It brings that vital 11-12 year old never-assembled-a-model-in-their-life market back in. - When Stormclaw was the only release out there it seemed the writing was on the wall for GW.
However, that new gaming board is insane and completely lazy. Not only that, having uneven numbers of designs just looks stupid. That random eagle of to the sidejust looks completely out of place. - A third design would have avoided that I think.
Yeah,
It's growing on me.
Not paying £200 - fact
Hoping for amazing discount via darksphere etc...
If/when I get one I'll have to cut the three cathedrals tiles out and at least one of the eagles...
This is a bit much thou...
As if we all didn't have access to a nice urban game boards before this??
And my dream urban board isn't the same two tiles repeated!
Clang wrote: Some of those grots look familiar - I'm sure I've seen them in metal a few years back. If this is just a Finecast rerelease of those same models, I'm not interested, but would buy several kits if they're in plastic.
From the description on GW’s site:
Description
Kaptin Badrukk is a notorious Freebooter and the greatest Flash Git there ever was. Together with his motley krew of like-minded Flash Gitz, he travels the galaxy as a git for hire (as long as you can afford his outrageous fees).
This set contains: 1 Kaptin Badrukk made in Citadel Finecast, 10 multi-part plastic Flash Gitz and 6 Citadel Finecast Ammo Runts, four of which are brand new to this set.
I think it's interesting that they're actually labelling the new ammo runts as 'Finecast' as I thought they'd given up admitting new stuff was being made in it
(preferring to just call it resin or not saying anything)
This is a bit much thou...
As if we all didn't have access to a nice urban game boards before this??
And my dream urban board isn't the same two tiles repeated!
Panic....
The nerve! GW sending an advertisement to their mailing list of existing customers with the assumption that they are fans of 40k and might dream of a proper 40k themed urban game board.
So, a question for you:
Where could I get a Hive City board prior to this product's release that fit perfectly with my existing Cities of Death terrain?
Everybody knows that real hobbyists make their own boards.
Still, I eagerly await seeing what people do with this new board. Some of the Realm of Battle conversions I see at FLGWs and Warhammer World are pretty impressive.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: The nerve! GW sending an advertisement to their mailing list of existing customers with the assumption that they are fans of 40k and might dream of a proper 40k themed urban game board.
So, a question for you:
Where could I get a Hive City board prior to this product's release that fit perfectly with my existing Cities of Death terrain?
Yeah... "proper" ... """"proper"""... ack I've burned out my sarcastic air quotes.
I'm a Necromunda fanatic and lover of city boards but I think this thing is very, very ugly, and looks nothing like a city street. When a Lego 40k board looks more natural and less obviously repetitive than the official board... you might have problems. But to each their own.
It's £5 more expensive but comes with the plastic Chaos Aspiring Champion too (Who I think is around £15 solo, normally) - It also looks like they've put a new cover on the Dark Vengeance book too.
Yeah... "proper" ... """"proper"""... ack I've burned out my sarcastic air quotes.
I'm a Necromunda fanatic and lover of city boards but I think this thing is very, very ugly, and looks nothing like a city street. When a Lego 40k board looks more natural and less obviously repetitive than the official board... you might have problems. But to each their own.
What is wrong? The use of the term proper? As in, "these boards properly fit with the established aesthetic of 40k?" Which they do. The cluttered, gaudy, over-the-top, Gothic aesthetic of 40k is perfectly represented by these boards. There is nothing natural about 40k's setting or the aesthetic. Everything is absurdly grand and needlessly ornate in the Imperium, why would the cities be different?
This is a bit much thou...
As if we all didn't have access to a nice urban game boards before this??
And my dream urban board isn't the same two tiles repeated!
Panic....
The nerve! GW sending an advertisement to their mailing list of existing customers with the assumption that they are fans of 40k and might dream of a proper 40k themed urban game board. So, a question for you:
Where could I get a Hive City board prior to this product's release that fit perfectly with my existing Cities of Death terrain?
Well I'm gonna guess that your not counting the one time GW sold a paper urbanmat 'fit perfectly with your existing Cities of Death terrain' for one day doesn't count, because despite everyone wanting one they refused to make more.
Sadly my dreams were not fulfilled that day GW bromley sold out before I managed to fulfill my dreams...
Since then my dreams have not been fulfilled. I've tried..
GW's email has basically just informed me that my homemade boring grey board has not fulfilled my dreams.
And GW told me that WarSmiths ultra flat cardboard warboard has not fulfilled my dreams...
GW have decided that G&G's urban board can't fulfil my dreams while it's still in china...
But my dreams can be fulfilled by GW right now!
by their email 'Time to retire the kitchen table!'
oh my poor kitchen table hasn't ever been used for gaming, but Gw demands me I must pay them £200 and sacrifice the kitchen table.
Kitchen tables for the Tables gods!
A small price for my dreams to be fulfilled!
with the city of death building, this board is actually rather cool, Playing necromunda or inq28 on this board would be awesome. Only 2 designs is lame though.
I don't get the marketing of the Badrukk and Zagstrukk bundles.
Flash gits are 10 models max, correct (no book on me at the moment)? I already bought 5. I would buy this if it was cheaper and had 5 Gitz, but it has 5 more gits than I can use in one unit. If it had come out with the Gits, I would have bought it then.
They increased the unit size of Stormboys from 20 to 30. This bundle has 15. I had 20, and I would have bought this bundle if it was cheaper and had 10, but it comes with 5 more boyz than I can use in one unit.
I can't be the only person who is taking a stormboys unit from old maximum size to new maximum size. I can't be the only person who wanted a single unit of the new gits. It seems like a better size (or more sensible release time) would have captured more sales for them pretty easily. As it is, I'm just hoping that the ammo runts show up somewhere so I can get those. Sigh.
Da Butcha wrote: Flash gits are 10 models max, correct (no book on me at the moment)? I already bought 5. I would buy this if it was cheaper and had 5 Gitz, but it has 5 more gits than I can use in one unit. If it had come out with the Gits, I would have bought it then.
You mean GW didn't check with you first to see if you'd already bought some Flash Gitz? Outrageous!!!
i'll pipe in saying that the new city board looks awesome, the imperium is always shown to be impractical and over the top, and this board fits this. But the price tag though......
Just a note but the Flash Gitz formation might be part of "Hour of the Wolf". There's a notation in the fluff about Sanctus Reach(I want to say in the 7th edition book's background section) that Kaptin Badrukk is fighting the Space Wolves in the Sanctus Reach in the employ of some "unknown benefactor".
Panic wrote: Well I'm gonna guess that your not counting the one time GW sold a paper urbanmat 'fit perfectly with your existing Cities of Death terrain' for one day doesn't count, because despite everyone wanting one they refused to make more.
Nope, that isn't a game board. That is a mat. I asked about game boards. And yeah, the streets look different on that mat. That doesn't look like a hive city, but rather a more modern urban center with a bit of 40k imagery added. The upcoming game board looks much closer to the artwork of hive cities than your mat.
Panic wrote: But my dreams can be fulfilled by GW right now!
by their email 'Time to retire the kitchen table!'
oh my poor kitchen table hasn't ever been used for gaming, but Gw demands me I must pay them £200 and sacrifice the kitchen table.
Kitchen tables for the Tables gods!
A small price for my dreams to be fulfilled!
Panic...
You realize you are acting hysterical over advertising copy, right? That game board isn't your dream set up, but for many it kinda is. It is the culmination of years of GW terrain releases. You can see what? 5-7 years worth of terrain releases in that advertisement all melding flawlessly with the new urban board. That is pretty cool if you ask me. Finally all the random terrain kits that GW has had on offer make sense and can be set up on compatible game board. A lot of people are excited about this even if you aren't. It is entirely understandable that you are disappointed but I personally think you are acting a bit childish and hyperbolic.
Compel wrote: And the Aspiring champion redresses the chaos balance a little too (though I can't help but think that a chaos sorcerer would have been a better move).
A Sorcerer would have required a new plastic mold, as there is no plastic Sorcerer. Throwing the Aspiring Champion in there lets them thin the stockpile they have of the model. Just pop it out of the clamshell and throw the sprue into the box.
Loki-
I imagine it's cheaper to pop one out of the machine while making DV sprues on the factory floor than to de-clam from the warehouse.
But I'm grateful it's not a unique mini that requires another DV purchase!
Now, I would have been more of a fan of a plastic version of Cities of Death mat.
Being able to see the tiles I do like the hints of what lies beneath. One of the tiles has what looks like the entrance/ lift to an underground bunker.
Go for a themed game that links to an undercity battle on the Zone Mortalis bits for the hardcore GW terrain junkies.*
*Please note that other terrain boards and space corridor systems are available.
I don't like the board. It looks toy-like and cluttered. I especially dislike how they've put those big archway-shaped reliefs and the massive eagle on there - these parts look like they should be on the walls of a building and just look wrong lying flat on the ground. Not to mention the fact that the reliefs are just the same image copy and pasted three times - how uninspired. Are the citizens supposed to go up in helicopters to look at these?
The Imperialis basing kit is nice, and long overdue, but overpriced. I can get resin bases of equal quality from other manufacturers at a fraction of the price. Here I'd be getting 30 bases for £20, whereas (and this is to name but one example) a few months ago I got 32 urban resin bases from Antenocitis Workshop for about £8 before postage, with the added benefit of being able to use them for any system I like (not crammed with Gothic stylings that restrict them to 40K alone).
In fact, looking at many of GW's latest releases, I think "nice but overpriced" sums up my opinion.
RedFox wrote: I don't get all the hate on the new RoB city board
please show me a city board that look better (that I can buy)
Right now? Well I am assuming you are discounting the hand made boards, boards for 6mm and generic scenic stuff. (Like from this company http://wargamesterrainworkshop.co.uk.previewdns.com/?product=fantasy-football-pitch-20-28mm-scale.) That only leaves the two kickstarters who I believe still have pre-orders for delivers in the next few months, so you would have to wait a bit longer than GW.
Now I've seen pictures that don't give me a Magic-Eye type headache I've got to say I like the new RoB urban board. It's not a blasted industrial concrete zone more of a Uphive Boulevard.
With the CoD terrain on top it looks mustard.
50-75 quid cheaper and I'd consider buying one. As it stands I won't.
DV mk2 looks nice too, that I might buy.....again.
To me the RoB board looks like it's not really worth it.
This is a hobby, and if you can't use existing scenery and tools to make a battlefield of your own for less than that price, then why would you pay huge bucks for a template?
I'd rather source a matt and a variety of grim dark parts for any table I hope to build in the future.
Even model railways aren't that limited or extortionate in templates for sets. They expect and encourage some individuality and actually modeling skills.
To pre-package same-same plastic slabs with some aesthetic niggles that some people have an issue with is somewhat of an insult. FAR TOO EXPENSIVE!
The quality of table or size of an army you could make from the referenced price tags are much better use's of time and cash than this glorified kitchen table placemat.
Even if I was stinking rich I wouldn't even eat my dinner off of it as means of throwing money around.
I'd rather build a table myself, and with money not an object, only fill it with GW bits to appease their greedy dark souls.
As for the newly packaged DV set. I was compulsive enough to pay full price for the Aspiring Champion last weekend along with some painting and basing supplies.
Although I need 7th, and more cultists always helps, I loathed the push and click construction. The chaos side of things lends itself better to customisation but without the parts right now I can't justify the price.
I paid €79 for it in store last time. It's €85 on the GW website right now for Ireland. I will wait and see if there's more Sanctus reach campaign sets with rules, hopefully some Imperial Guard that I can use for Renegades. If not I'll sit it all out a bit longer and get the rules or DV via ebay or Wayland games.
Da Butcha wrote: Flash gits are 10 models max, correct (no book on me at the moment)? I already bought 5. I would buy this if it was cheaper and had 5 Gitz, but it has 5 more gits than I can use in one unit. If it had come out with the Gits, I would have bought it then.
You mean GW didn't check with you first to see if you'd already bought some Flash Gitz? Outrageous!!!
Not really what I meant, but it would be nice once in a while!
My point was that the 'sweet spot' for a release of 10 Gitz, Badrukk, and ammo runts would seem to be the first week of the Flash Gits release. That would get people to immediately buy the package deal if they wanted Badrukk. By releasing the package deal later, you are going to have people who already have all the gits they want, and who will then wait for the release of the ammo runts separately later. These people might also just wait and buy the ammo runts from an online reseller who bought the bundles (which are priced at a discount).
Neither one of those particularly benefits GW. It's odd because it's not overpriced (particuarly), it gives you a discount over the separate purchases, and it looks darn snazzy. All the normal problems with a GW bundle release have been avoided, but they dropped it on the market at an odd, and seemingly disadvantageous time. Did Gits sell more poorly than they expected? Was there a problem with this release that delayed it? It seems weird.
On the Urban ROB board, I am just really disappointed. Not only does it have WAY fewer unique tiles than I think it should, it really, really looks like they just took all the CAD art they had for the Imperium and laid it flat on a tile. Many of the shapes would look cool as walls, or bulkheads, or other vertical features, but really look terrible as a floor. Ironically, if they sold this (at a lower price) as a thinner flat sheet, I would buy it just to cut it up and use all over the place on a board.
But playing on this every week? Bleah. If you thought the skull pits and hills got repetitive, try out aquilas and arches over and over again. Sheesh.
In any case, it's a reasonable price (I can't help but think that Infinity: Operation Icestorm may need to worry about that...), especially compared to Stormclaw.
It brings that vital 11-12 year old never-assembled-a-model-in-their-life market back in. - When Stormclaw was the only release out there it seemed the writing was on the wall for GW.
Stormclaw was "the only thing out there" for literally a week. A week and a half if you count leaks.
Now that they added the Aspiring Champion I am tempted to get Dark Vengeance, the value adds up nicely, and I could actually invite friends over for short games which would be a big plus. Only problem is that I'd have to buy more paint to paint Dark Angels, unless I decided to go Angels of Vengeance instead of first founding colors.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: There is nothing natural about 40k's setting or the aesthetic. Everything is absurdly grand and needlessly ornate in the Imperium, why would the cities be different?
Only if your experience of 40k is limited to the past few years of the 28 years that 40k has been around..
GW's email has basically just informed me that my homemade boring grey board has not fulfilled my dreams.
And GW told me that WarSmiths ultra flat cardboard warboard has not fulfilled my dreams...
GW have decided that G&G's urban board can't fulfil my dreams while it's still in china...
But my dreams can be fulfilled by GW right now!
by their email 'Time to retire the kitchen table!'
oh my poor kitchen table hasn't ever been used for gaming, but Gw demands me I must pay them £200 and sacrifice the kitchen table.
While I realise that you're trying to be facetious or perhaps sarcastic, you're just looking silly. GW sells products, and they're using a normal and frankly - inoffensive way to sell their new product. Everyone selling a product tells you that their product is "the best".
New Citadel Realm of Battle Board! it's an OK surface to play your games on! You might want to consider looking at or even buying one!
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frozenwastes wrote: I just remembered an accessory product that might make the basing kit into a good value.
I wonder if they could possibly be used together?
You could do that, but I figure you may as well just buy some urban bases from one of the many places that sell them already.
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Da Butcha wrote: I don't get the marketing of the Badrukk and Zagstrukk bundles.
Flash gits are 10 models max, correct (no book on me at the moment)? I already bought 5. I would buy this if it was cheaper and had 5 Gitz, but it has 5 more gits than I can use in one unit. If it had come out with the Gits, I would have bought it then.
They increased the unit size of Stormboys from 20 to 30. This bundle has 15. I had 20, and I would have bought this bundle if it was cheaper and had 10, but it comes with 5 more boyz than I can use in one unit.
I can't be the only person who is taking a stormboys unit from old maximum size to new maximum size. I can't be the only person who wanted a single unit of the new gits. It seems like a better size (or more sensible release time) would have captured more sales for them pretty easily. As it is, I'm just hoping that the ammo runts show up somewhere so I can get those. Sigh.
Pretty sure they don't individually check with all of the Ork (marine, space wolf, tyranid, etc) players in the world to see just how many figures they already have and how many they might be tempted to buy in order to customise the bundles for each individual person.
RedFox wrote: I don't get all the hate on the new RoB city board
please show me a city board that look better (that I can buy)
It's called personal aesthetic taste. I think the ROB looks like gak. On the other hand, I don't mind if you like it and want to buy it. (we're allowed to like different things - it's ok!) There are two other urban boards that should be released this year. Both are late, but both should(!) be in people's hands by the end of the year. If you prefer the ROB, or if you really want one right now, I don't begrudge you going out and buying one. In fact, I think GW's release of it this board right now is quite smart, and it's going to eat the lunch of SWM's urban boards when people like yourself buy these since the SWM ones are interminably delayed by the production partners (WGF) endless fething about and false time targets.
Panic wrote: Well I'm gonna guess that your not counting the one time GW sold a paper urbanmat 'fit perfectly with your existing Cities of Death terrain' for one day doesn't count, because despite everyone wanting one they refused to make more.
Nope, that isn't a game board. That is a mat. I asked about game boards. And yeah, the streets look different on that mat. That doesn't look like a hive city, but rather a more modern urban center with a bit of 40k imagery added. The upcoming game board looks much closer to the artwork of hive cities than your mat.
It (kind of) fits the aesthetic of the other GW cityscape kits, but they're not practical roads or footpaths, and they don't look like a thing like a Hive City, if you know your 40k background.
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DefiantLambdas wrote: To me the RoB board looks like it's not really worth it.
This is a hobby, and if you can't use existing scenery and tools to make a battlefield of your own for less than that price, then why would you pay huge bucks for a template?
The hobby has many aspects. Some people don't have the time, talent, desire or inclination to make their own battlefield board. If some people prefer to buy a premade one for whatever price, more power to them.
The rest of your rant is either too personal to matter in the discussion, or outright silly. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
Looky Likey wrote: Again with the rubbish photos at the start of the week, put money on decent "leaked" photos coming out in a day or so. This is far too much of a pattern not to be deliberate, I really struggle to believe that every single person taking the first set of photos of WD each week only has a potato for a camera, and everybody who takes the second set has a quality DSLR type camera.
Exalted for making me laugh out loud with that potato reference!
The rob looks terrible. The design just makes no sense. At first I thought it was the rubble of buildings, and I was fine with that look. It would work great with the buildings GW makes. But no, that's just the ground. Just what are those arches supporting? This was clearly designed by someone with no knowledge of architecture. I would say it was by someone with a graphic design background, but even that I'm not sure of. This is just such a poor hodge podge of elements, I would never want my name attached to this. If this cad cut and paste job was the best I could do I think I would quit and find a new profession. What's sad is that this could have been great. I have the old ROB and I love it. It hits all the notes it needs to. I don't even mind the random skull pits. This is just one of the ugliest products I've ever seen. Even with only two tiles it shouldn't have been hard to make a functional table.
The moment I laid eyes on it I thought it was illustrated cardboard. After watching their official painting video on it, I feel like this is the slightly-less-rich man's Cityscape. This gives you 6 tiles and a case to put them in for $330. Forgeworld's cityscape gives you six tiles with no case for $480. I consider that difference to make this game board worth it, except for one thing.
There are only 2 actual tiles, you're just getting 3 of each. So if I had to pick one, I'd say if you're going to buy one save up an extra week's pay for the Forgeworld because the difference is worth it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT: Upon further analysis, I've seen a silver lining. This Realm of Battle board seems more well suited to a dense (and I mean dense) cityscape. We're talking bowls of a hive city dense.
If you want to basically play in one giant ruined building, then I'd actually say this board is 110% worth it, you'll just need to spend more money on the GW buildings than you did on the board to achieve it. The results, however... Would look glorious. I can not believe Games Workshop didn't see this in their own product. Maybe they should hire me.
Alright. You guys may just hate me for saying this, but this is actually my favorite realm of battle board now. I've been waiting for a board with a dense cityscape ever since I got into this hobby. I've seen a lot of nice boards, but more often than not when it comes to cities I see these flat, featureless rectangular-windows-cut-into-painted-polystyrene grey buildings. We all know that they're just there to get the job done. But this will actually provide a foundation that matches Games Workshop's buildings. Haven't you noticed those buildings never really had a place until Forgeworld came out with their cityscape board? And even then it was (is) so expensive that nobody bought it and you still didn't see those buildings on any cohesive background. They've fixed a problem here, ladies. And I for one am seriously considering buying it.
Quarterdime wrote: Alright. You guys may just hate me for saying this,...
Why? You're welcome to your opinion just like everyone else.
If you like it, that's great. For me, I like the idea, but would rather have seen something that looked gothic but still functional (which those footpaths most certainly are not).
And for the pricetag, that included more than 2 different tiles.
Quarterdime wrote: Alright. You guys may just hate me for saying this,...
Why? You're welcome to your opinion just like everyone else.
If you like it, that's great. For me, I like the idea, but would rather have seen something that looked gothic but still functional (which those footpaths most certainly are not).
And for the pricetag, that included more than 2 different tiles.
Both valid points. The sidewalks are easily the worst and least ignorable part, but the duplicate tiles are actually not as bad as you think. Understand that if you actually put a building in every spot a building's supposed to be, the crypts will be covered. Here's how I envision dealing with it: Place 2 of them against each other forming the footprint of a large building, then place a single large Shrine of the Aquila over them. It's the perfect kit to have them as a floor. As for the third one, I could put any other building over it and basically cover it up completely by keeping the building mostly intact. Viola! Three massive duplicate marks have just vanished! The same could be done with the Aquila marks and any other building.
And the price tag is $40 more than the regular realm of battle. Considering the hilarious level of detail when compared to the original, I must say it's a fair increase.
Quarterdime wrote: ... but the duplicate tiles are actually not as bad as you think.
Less variation means just that: Less variation. It limits the ways you can place the boards together to create interesting layouts and it means that details are repeated over and over again. The same open crypts. The same nonsensical foot paths. The same road cracked in the same spot three times over. 3 tiles designs would've changed things significantly.
Quarterdime wrote: And the price tag is $40 more than the regular realm of battle. Considering the hilarious level of detail when compared to the original, I must say it's a fair increase.
The price for the first RoB wasn't fair either. This is worse.
This board is a disgrace for GW. Not only is it bad looking. But only 2 design for a 6-8 tile table. And the price hike for an already way too expensive table.
New low even for GW.... smells like so often before like a money grab.. When you charge above premium value it would make sense to create a premium product. That means high quality tiles, six different designs, interesting modular approach, etc.
They didn't even fix what was wrong with the original table (I have one so I know). The original table has really bad connectors and is a pain to assemble. Could have been done so much smarter...
Natrually, GW will soon start selling awesome limited release expansions to break up the repeated two board-piece designs..
@quarterdime. Its not a very good board if you need to cover the horrible parts with large buildings
It does at least serve to show how much better the forge world one is... Seriously, if there are any kids reading, save the money and build your own board, it'll look better and you'll have fun doing it. I at least saw some appeal with the old ROB because of the nice sculpted hills, there's none of that going on here.
Quarterdime wrote: Here's how I envision dealing with it: Place 2 of them against each other forming the footprint of a large building, then place a single large Shrine of the Aquila over them. It's the perfect kit to have them as a floor. As for the third one, I could put any other building over it and basically cover it up completely by keeping the building mostly intact. Viola! Three massive duplicate marks have just vanished! The same could be done with the Aquila marks and any other building.
It's not so much that you can't work around it, it's that for 200£ you shouldn't have to work around it. If you feel compelled to place buildings in certain places to cover up the repetitiveness of the layout then that's still a reduction in variability.
Fayric wrote: Natrually, GW will soon start selling awesome limited release expansions to break up the repeated two board-piece designs..
@quarterdime. Its not a very good board if you need to cover the horrible parts with large buildings
Something doesn't have to be perfect to be appreciated. This board is a hodgepodge of the most frequently sculpted things that Games Workshop has. That said, it's actually kind of the point of this board. This whole thing looks like it was carefully designed to be ignored in favor of the models.
Quarterdime wrote: Here's how I envision dealing with it: Place 2 of them against each other forming the footprint of a large building, then place a single large Shrine of the Aquila over them. It's the perfect kit to have them as a floor. As for the third one, I could put any other building over it and basically cover it up completely by keeping the building mostly intact. Viola! Three massive duplicate marks have just vanished! The same could be done with the Aquila marks and any other building.
It's not so much that you can't work around it, it's that for 200£ you shouldn't have to work around it. If you feel compelled to place buildings in certain places to cover up the repetitiveness of the layout then that's still a reduction in variability.
You're right. But this board is made to be covered up. I feel like that was the intention and by the time they had two they decided it was good enough. Now the "good enough" angle just strengthens your point even more, but again, you are right. For that price we deserve the best, not good enough. But you know what? Good enough means it's good enough. Besides, I have a feeling that soon Forgeworld will be releasing additional tiles for this. Yeah, I know, that's not a reason to buy the six piece set right now. So it's something I think I'll wait for.
Still, it's best to go forward as though this is all there will be.
Admittedly, it is only 4' by 4' however, this is soon going to be released for Infinity.
All you need is a decent sized bit of wood for the board itself.
With the Secret Weapon boards coming out sometime in the not too distant future, it honestly makes me wonder, especially with the fact that there's only 2 designs on the boards, that GW rushed this out as an undercutting attempt.
I think it's also worth pointing out that in this week's white dwarf there's a page showing that the new realm of battle board is designed to be compatible with the original. Apparently there are sections of exposed earth on this new one that will match the original if you connect them together, making it look more natural. So the good news is you could realistically only need to play with the 2 tiles
Quarterdime wrote: And the price tag is $40 more than the regular realm of battle. Considering the hilarious level of detail when compared to the original, I must say it's a fair increase.
Except you could use the regular board for pretty much any land based game ever whilst only having to cover up the skull pit. You could leave it as wide open plains for historics, have it as an outpost in WHF/40K, even make it into the edge of a city. But with this it's a 40K city and only a 40K city.
Whilst the regular one was expensive, games clubs and gamers can justify it as a versatile purchase (both in terms of layout and of game use); but this new one is even more expensive with almost no versatility at all.
Quarterdime wrote: And the price tag is $40 more than the regular realm of battle. Considering the hilarious level of detail when compared to the original, I must say it's a fair increase.
Except you could use the regular board for pretty much any land based game ever whilst only having to cover up the skull pit. You could leave it as wide open plains for historics, have it as an outpost in WHF/40K, even make it into the edge of a city. But with this it's a 40K city and only a 40K city.
Whilst the regular one was expensive, games clubs and gamers can justify it as a versatile purchase (both in terms of layout and of game use); but this new one is even more expensive with almost no versatility at all.
You're right. But this board is made to be covered up.
If it's made to be covered up why should I use it over a sheet of MDF painted grey?
Because it's only partially getting covered up. With this, you can finally have a thick City of Death with minimal effort. Forgeworld's Cityscape was more of an open square, while this looks like it could be in an enclosed hive city with a massive dome protecting it from the hostile outside atmosphere. And this cityscape looks like could be built over the remains of thousands of years of old city.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, concerning my defense of this gaming board, I just calculated the amount of GW buildings you would need to actually turn that into a city of death would run the board well over $1,000. That is, unfortunately, far beyond my price range.
I wish Forgeworld sold terrain the way they used to. Something that you put on a board as opposed to the board itself. I'd buy the Anphelion Base if they still sold it :(
Quarterdime wrote: I wish Forgeworld sold terrain the way they used to. Something that you put on a board as opposed to the board itself. I'd buy the Anphelion Base if they still sold it :(
While I really like the tiles they've been putting out, I'm right there with you. The old ruins they put out were a lot less over the top than the GW plastic ones, as much as I like those too.
If this board was the same price as the regular Realm of Battle board and had three tile designs instead of two, I'd think it was worth it. Right now it's just a little too much for just a little too little. That being said, I do like the look of it, even if it seems like it'd be a massive pain in the butt to paint with all that detail.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And Malibu Stacy has a new hat, that is to say the new Dark Vengeance box comes with one extra model, the plastic Aspiring Champ that's been out since the Chaos 'Dex hit. The pictures are here, at least for the time being. Obviously I can't upload them to Dakka, so for the time being these terrible terrible pics may work:
$410 Australian for the new gaudy board. Wonderful...
The DV Chaos contents:
And a couple of Ork bundles:
As always, the person taking these photos chose to do so in the middle of an earthquake, as that's my only explanation for photographs so terrible. So enjoy... I guess.
Good mork, GW has gone mad...they are expecting people to play on 4chan D:
Anyway, what does bother me about the boards is that they have a lot going on them. Though then again, it does fit the IoM aesthetically, so I guess it works.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: A crashed Thunderhawk terrain piece (rather than tile) would be a wonderful thing.
It would be indeed.
Hell, I would design an entire table to look like the crash site of some space ship. Would make for an interesting game ^^
Compel wrote:Admittedly, it is only 4' by 4' however, this is soon going to be released for Infinity.
Spoiler:
All you need is a decent sized bit of wood for the board itself.
That mat is really cool. I've been getting very tempted by the new Infinity starter. I played the game way, way back in the early English PDF days and have been thinking about getting back into it. For the price of the GW ROB board, I could probably really set myself up with two or three factions + terrain for Infinity.
Man these boards are simply amazing! It finally completes the city scape! The painting tutorial was well done, my city board will finally be finished with these. Good and gaudy! :p
Kelly502 wrote: Man these boards are simply amazing! It finally completes the city scape! The painting tutorial was well done, my city board will finally be finished with these. Good and gaudy! :p
Genuine question, sincerely asked.
Are you really this enthusiastic about GWIRL, or do you just think you're balancing the more negative opinions in some way by being excessively positive about GW releases?
Kelly502 wrote: Man these boards are simply amazing! It finally completes the city scape! The painting tutorial was well done, my city board will finally be finished with these. Good and gaudy! :p
Genuine question, sincerely asked.
Are you really this enthusiastic about GWIRL, or do you just think you're balancing the more negative opinions in some way by being excessively positive about GW releases?
I thought that it was yanks that weren't supposed to spot sarcasm.
Hand in your tea pot and natural sense of superiority at the border when you are exiled to France.
Yeah I'm excited about it, it appears as though a long term project has come to fruition. Yeah a bit pricey but hell, it's 110% 40K! I'm of the opinion that a great looking table can really make the game better. I used to play games using books and blankets... Lmao! I wish I lived near my old pals, I had a game room set up for us, my goal was to had enough terrain for any randomly rolled 40k world, to break up the monotony.
Kelly502 wrote: Man these boards are simply amazing! It finally completes the city scape! The painting tutorial was well done, my city board will finally be finished with these. Good and gaudy! :p
Genuine question, sincerely asked.
Are you really this enthusiastic about GWIRL, or do you just think you're balancing the more negative opinions in some way by being excessively positive about GW releases?
I thought that it was yanks that weren't supposed to spot sarcasm.
Hand in your tea pot and natural sense of superiority at the border when you are exiled to France.
Kelly502 wrote:Yeah I'm excited about it, it appears as though a long term project has come to fruition. Yeah a bit pricey but hell, it's 110% 40K! I'm of the opinion that a great looking table can really make the game better. I used to play games using books and blankets... Lmao! I wish I lived near my old pals, I had a game room set up for us, my goal was to had enough terrain for any randomly rolled 40k world, to break up the monotony.
Kelly502 wrote: Man these boards are simply amazing! It finally completes the city scape! The painting tutorial was well done, my city board will finally be finished with these. Good and gaudy! :p
Genuine question, sincerely asked.
Are you really this enthusiastic about GWIRL, or do you just think you're balancing the more negative opinions in some way by being excessively positive about GW releases?
I thought that it was yanks that weren't supposed to spot sarcasm.
Hand in your tea pot and natural sense of superiority at the border when you are exiled to France.
That was funny!
But not as funny as the assumption that people in the USA aren't good at sarcasm!
funny part in the WD magazine, they think the new urban battle board is cocked dice madness. i guess all the ridges and such caused a lot of cocked dice in their trial game.
Kelly502 wrote: Man these boards are simply amazing! It finally completes the city scape! The painting tutorial was well done, my city board will finally be finished with these. Good and gaudy! :p
Genuine question, sincerely asked.
Are you really this enthusiastic about GWIRL, or do you just think you're balancing the more negative opinions in some way by being excessively positive about GW releases?
I thought that it was yanks that weren't supposed to spot sarcasm.
Hand in your tea pot and natural sense of superiority at the border when you are exiled to France.
Kelly502 wrote:Yeah I'm excited about it, it appears as though a long term project has come to fruition. Yeah a bit pricey but hell, it's 110% 40K! I'm of the opinion that a great looking table can really make the game better. I used to play games using books and blankets... Lmao! I wish I lived near my old pals, I had a game room set up for us, my goal was to had enough terrain for any randomly rolled 40k world, to break up the monotony.
Kelly502 wrote: Yeah I'm excited about it, it appears as though a long term project has come to fruition. Yeah a bit pricey but hell, it's 110% 40K! I'm of the opinion that a great looking table can really make the game better. I used to play games using books and blankets... Lmao! I wish I lived near my old pals, I had a game room set up for us, my goal was to had enough terrain for any randomly rolled 40k world, to break up the monotony.
You do understand that to actually fill even 90% of the building slots it would take a combined cost of over a grand? Due to the small amount of building supplied per box with the fact that each box is $33...
"because the pieces fit together so seamlessly the clips simply aren’t necessary anyway."
So I guess this means you need to have a 6x4 board underneath, or else the tiles will fall off? Wasn't that one of the selling points of the RoB board, i.e. that you could plonk it on a dining table etc with plenty of overhang and it would still work?
It's a surface to put on a surface, and the surface needs to be big enough to support the second surface because the second surface will break apart and flip off the edge, sending terrain and models flying.
Oh yeah. That $410 looks like a good price there...
So if it doesn't have clips, and it's not the same height as the original RoB board, how is it "compatible" with that board? Wouldn't it need to use clips and be the same height to be compatible?
I mean, clearly, one flat surface can bump up against another flat surface, but by that standard, the BFG rulebook is compatible with the RoB board.
Have they actually done two boards, each of different height?
On one hand, at least now every game in WD won't be on the same RoB board. On the other hand, some of them will be on this.
Someone who posted earlier is probably right. After the dust settles and everybody who likes the board (or who can stomach the board) buy it, GW will actually release urban tile expansions that are actually commuter friendly, which should have been the variant tiles in the first set.
Looking at them, I for one am more interested in them from a conversion point of view. I still have my How to Make Wargames Terrain book, which has some great tips for making buildings, and I reckon this board would be a great base for building a city/forge world with. There's a place nearby that sells foamboard as well, so that's good.
I need to finish my jungle board first though- and brace the foamboard I made it from with some wood...Bloody warping mutter mutter...
Slinky wrote: Is it compatible with the Forge World tiles then? If it's a different height to the old ones, maybe not?
WD25 states the 40k tiles are compatible with the Realm of Battle. The designer explains that's why some areas have bare earth. It smooths the transition from city to open space...if that's your thing. By extension, they should be compatible with the ROB Forge World tiles.
Would happily pick up an expansion set of say 2-3 tiles so we can mix up the RoB board a bit, however that price is pretty steep, I think ill stock to our city gaming mats for now
Herzlos wrote: The Forgeworld ones don't have clips - they are solid resin.
No they're not solid resin. Having just bought the four cityscape and a thunder hawk board I can attest to that. If people don't mind waiting I can post photos of the underside later. Currently in Scotland for the games so I'll post them when I get home in August?
My bad, it never occurred to me the taller ones would be hollow...
Enjoy the games, I'm doing my best to avoid them (my normal train has been replaced with a tiny old relic so that the nice trains are shown off around Glasgow, but I'm not in the slightest peeved)
"Quick lads! Raise those fallen walls!" "C'mon, put your backs into it"
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"But sir, the arches... they are too heavy" *LasPistol zzsnap* "Alright, enough of that then. Here men, we'll use these sidewalks to build a temporary landing strip"
Not getting this one, not enough effort put into making a complex but playable design. Why not just make it a very plain design with recognizable Imperial elements and dare I say... an affordable RoB tile? [So that we but Lotz!]
I know I'm just repeating myself here, but the true value of this sets it at the same price as the Forgeworld boards. This board would really shine by pouring so much of those plastic GW buildings on it that it basically becomes an urban forest, a giant jumble of ruined alleyways, catwalks, and balconies. Oh, and for those asking what the purpose of the board itself is at that point, it's to tie it all together with a cohesive and detailed appearance. But That's more work than Forgeworld. It would make the duplicate tiles irrelevant, but there is a psychology in such a situation that says "why should I invest so much of my time and money into something when the company that made this didn't?" I think that's the heart of this. It really is on the wrong side of the fence, and the fact that you can drag it back over to be on the right side at great personal expense would be symbolic of, well, a number of things if such a thing were to actually happen, which it might, but only once and not really.
yeah,
A couple of photos from facebook group 'The Overlords'
By user Hud Ofthedead.
Hud says he's half way through with painting, But already it looks much more awesome in multed tones.
That board looks like a slightly less fancy version of the Frontline Gaming Battlemats that are less than a third of the cost, require no hobby time, store easier, and you can actually roll a dice on them.
4X4 piece of plywood, with my own scrap and sand mixed paint, and I'll spend that other 180.00 on something that is worth it.
I've seen the Dark Vengeance set in person. Its as over priced and overblown as you'd expect. The prices for all of the GW's stuff have pretty much killed it, especially in light of people picking up that 6th stuff, then to turn around and see the price creep !@#$ all over everyone.
The new models are not selling, by the way.
On a better front, though I'll pick up a 120.00 box of the buildings for the new Necromunda thing I'm doing.
HUD's done one hell of a job with what they have there. I'm going to shamelessly steal some of those ideas for the new board I'll do.
TheKbob wrote: That board looks like a slightly less fancy version of the Frontline Gaming Battlemats that are less than a third of the cost, require no hobby time, store easier, and you can actually roll a dice on them.
This product confuses me greatly.
It seems that you're comparing a 2d mat with a 3d one.. I can see why you're confused.
Also while the front line mats look great, for as long as they insist in putting their logo on the surface I will never buy one.
Yep. I don't care how well the textures 'tie in with' the urban ruins.
Building foundations are flat, but roads have huge segmented dividers and sidewalks are hazardous metal grating. This makes no sense. It's not grimdark--it's stupid.
Pedestrians would be scrunched up against the buildings, trying to avoid the uneven, metal 'sidewalks', and then forced out onto the sidewalks every few steps by the buttresses of the architecture.
It would have been child's play to use the pre-existing CAD files of Imperial surfaces to create a plausible looking board (and one that, perhaps, contained more than one elevation level?). Instead, GW churned out this inane rendering. Now we'll presumably get to see it over and over and over in the battle reports.
And their own writers admitted that it was almost impossible to roll dice on--another great design feature! Maybe the next ROB will be impossible to place models on and you can just buy it, paint it, and admire it!
It still looks flat because it doesn't have many buildings on it. They made it all flat so it would be easy to pack the whole board up in their nylon bag-case. Considering they made no accommodation for the buildings, nor ever present the board actually full of buildings I'm left to believe that this flat, almost pop-up book aesthetic is their ideal. They don't care about its style compared to its functionality, which is the exact opposite of where they needed to go to get away with charging premium price. How could they possibly think that it was their place to do that when that's what custom terrain does anyway. I can see this being the compromise, but again, compromise-shmompromise, that's not what people buy from them for.
I actually got the chance to look at this in my local gaming store. Like everything they sell, it looks better in real life, and the material looked really durable, not to mention enticing to paint in general. It's just... that's what they were focused on. It's happened again, they've made something completely void of inspiration that checks their quality control boxes.
Still, after all this, it's better than playing with GW buildings spread out randomly over a grass mat.
hard to tell what the new board will look like 
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) could learn to take photos as good as this.
