i hope moderators will find ok if I open this new thread for AoW news to replace the other one: some of you might know that i very often visit aow hq to play warthrone and arena, and know quite well the team, so i can even pass word to them of any suggestion (like i did with the ltd. bsb). so i'd love to mantain this thread updated with news & rumors from aow. I start a new one so it is possible for me to be updating the thread title with every news and rumor update and so


now to the news!

July new releases are two new characters for cirlea from tow of the new freelance aow sculptors. as I said not long ago, aow is expanding greatly their freelance artists collaborators. very soon we'll see new miniatures from many other sculptors apart from felix

The Tercios of Lusia are feared by all the enemies of Cirlea, because of the great skill of the musketeers that form within these so emblematic regiments of the Cirlean army. A major General of Lusia is the ideal personality to lead your regiments of Tercios of Lusia in battle.


Broadswords regiments are the elite infantry of the armies of Arguntia, and pride of this kingdom located east of Cirlea.
Each of these soldiers is a veteran and noble warrior and a master of combat with the deadly Arguntian broadsword.

They look great!

But...they aren't PVC, are they?

 Alpharius wrote:
They look great!

But...they aren't PVC, are they?

All the heroes I've got are metal, pretty nice casts. I'd rather they were proper resin, but eh.

It does look like these are ever so slightly more "heroic" in scale than the existing Cirlea general character, which is good, he's so titchy I'm having to convert him into a female character, which is a shame as the head is fantastic but won't be salvageable

Those heroes are amazing!

While those miniatures are looking really good, I wish that they would rather put the effort into finishing their IndieGoGo campaign that finished over 2+ years ago.

grefven wrote:
While those miniatures are looking really good, I wish that they would rather put the effort into finishing their IndieGoGo campaign that finished over 2+ years ago.

While I agree, these are freelance sculptors and not Felix, and Felix is doing the Dwarves himself, eh?

Adder Ant wrote:
i hope moderators will find ok if I open this new thread for AoW news to replace the other one: some of you might know that i very often visit aow hq to play warthrone and arena, and know quite well the team, so i can even pass word to them of any suggestion (like i did with the ltd. bsb). so i'd love to mantain this thread updated with news & rumors from aow. I start a new one so it is possible for me to be updating the thread title with every news and rumor update and so


now to the news!

This is perfect, thanks for volunteering Adder Ant! It's great to have someone connected making the thread (and possibly even passing on suggestions). Your asking them to sculpt the BSB earlier than the rest was really appreciated, and helped ease the backlash they were facing on that particular issue somewhat (although shipping them is still in-progress this far out, I guess?).

Speaking of that BSB, are they still shipping just about one every full moon?

 Bolognesus wrote:
Speaking of that BSB, are they still shipping just about one every full moon?

I honestly think it's a case of "You don't get one until you ask."

I finally broke down and wrote them a few weeks ago and was told I'll get mine from the next batch.

 RiTides wrote:

This is perfect, thanks for volunteering Adder Ant! It's great to have someone connected making the thread (and possibly even passing on suggestions). Your asking them to sculpt the BSB earlier than the rest was really appreciated, and helped ease the backlash they were facing on that particular issue somewhat (although shipping them is still in-progress this far out, I guess?).

thank you
pointing to felix dakka petitions for the bsb was what it got him finally sculpting it before he had planned.
this friday i am going to aow hq so i'll ask on the state of bsb shipping and post the info

more goodness from aow this time for their apocalypse range for warthrone. an addition that was much expected by apocalypse spanish warthrone players... the marauders of the apocalypse ta chan!!!

another very good news is that Gray Morley is back and to good shape from the looks of this marauders releases!
here's one hoping he sculpts more apocalypse as he's been for a long time a fav sculptor






link to the website with a 360 video also
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=pl12-ps&prodname=Marauders+of+the+Apocalypse+with+shields+%2830+miniatures+and+champion+deal%29&mediumcast=plastic&id=118&Itemid=143

They look really cool!

I'd be in for these if they weren't the same material as the Warriors of the Apoc. I was really put off creating the 4 boxes of the GW armed ones I got.

 howie wrote:
They look really cool!

I'd be in for these if they weren't the same material as the Warriors of the Apoc. I was really put off creating the 4 boxes of the GW armed ones I got.

it's not the same one. they dropped warcast due to production problems, and switched to pvc injected plastic, same as privateer press for example.
i find pvc very good but still some like pvc, some dont though.

agree aow plastic units take a while to assemble as they come in so many parts, but man do they look fantastic when the job is done (althouhg a long one it is) and you can completely give your touch because of the variability to achive when posing.

btw, these new pvc marauders and the pvc corrupters are 100% compatible so lots of conversion options here! compatibility will also exist with the pvc warriors of apoc when they get their pvc tooling feix told me

Did we hear any news yet how the fullfillment of their dwarven IGG campaign goes? Any projections how many years the project will be dealyed before finally finished entirely and all backers got their rewards?

Those Marauders look great, I've been on the hunt for some decent alternatives to GW's Marauders lately and these are right up my alley.

If anyone is still considering buying the the Corruptors, the TrollTrader currently has a very limited number of both sets available that each include the original pre-order bonuses. Its definitely a better deal than buying them directly from AoW, since you get an extra 8 models per set along with an exclusive metal champion model. The TrollTrader also offers free postage worldwide on all orders over 35 pounds.

http://www.thetrolltrader.com/catalog/wargaming_miniatures-fantasy_miniatures__conversion_parts-avatars_of_war/58

I wrote this in the previous thread, I'll write it here too, and I'll keep on writing even if another hundred of threads show up in order to conceal the bad comments made for this company in the previous ones!

First of all they should stop writing plastic and substitute with "PVC pieces", when I hear plastic I want to see GW type of plastic, not restic or any other type. It's misleading and they do it on purpose. The only real plastic AoW has are the Berserkers. The rest is cheap chinese crap.
As for this release, OK, they have done Marauder alternatives. Great, not anything extraordinary as far as sculpting goes (Apoc were better) and nothing special that doesn't already exist, also that's about 2 years late now, most people have bought a bunch of them and there's even another company that has already beaten them to it (and at a much lower price, almost half!). Then again, late is a word attached to these guys, it has been years till anyone ever got their stuff on time (not even close!)

The material is such crap, you can even see it on the pic they uploaded, just look at those flails! the amount of cleaning up will be a pain in the arse, a friend of mine got his apoc warriors (with like 9 months of delay) and they are now just sitting/dumped on his shelf. Perhaps he'll wake up one day and never place an order again, this used to eb agood company and now I think it has reached the limit point. Any forum/blog etc. you visit, everyone speaks of what amajor cluterf*ck this company has become.
Way to go, such excitement was turned in such disappointment, takes effort to fail that much...

As for the (completely) failed IGG campaign, every time I see anything else produced that has nothing to do with the short chaps, it's a big "F*CK YOU" to all their Dwarf backers.

Sirio wrote:
OK, they have done Marauder alternatives. Great, not anything extraordinary as far as sculpting goes (Apoc were better) and nothing special that doesn't already exist, also that's about 2 years late now, most people have bought a bunch of them and there's even another company that has already beaten them to it (and at a much lower price, almost half!).

Who/where/link please?

 Azazelx wrote:

Sirio wrote:
OK, they have done Marauder alternatives. Great, not anything extraordinary as far as sculpting goes (Apoc were better) and nothing special that doesn't already exist, also that's about 2 years late now, most people have bought a bunch of them and there's even another company that has already beaten them to it (and at a much lower price, almost half!).

Who/where/link please?

http://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=21

SWM go for 25 euros/20 minis. And the new arrival from AoW goes 35/20 minis. That's 40% less. Plus that is resin, not PVC! Plus the utility box they come in. Plus you actually get these asap instead of waiting for Santa Claus.

But the major plus is this is the only company besides GW that wants to keep on using plastic sprue tooling instead of going to China, so my money is on these guys.

True!! Really good deal and quality. And some closer pics of what you said:

Aha, those. I thought they looked very 2-d/flat in the photos on the SW webstore, so I skipped them when I ordered figures from them last time.

SPOILERED PIC IS OF SHIELDWOLF MINIATURES, NOT AOW


Your pics look a lot better, though I'm unsure of them because of their hands. I do have to say that I'll be buying the AOW figures as well/regardless, once they're released. I really do like their sculpts.

may i ask the mods to post a link to shieldwolf miniatures instead of posting the pics in the AoW news thread?
it can really misslead readers who might end up thinking the shieldwolf ones are AoW maraudres as well.

thank you

Sirio: (Greece)
corgan (Greece)
Shieldwolf Miniatures (Greece)

Coincidence much?
Go play in your own thread.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/604883.page

Edited by RiTides

No problem having mentioned the competition but let's not hijack the thread, please.

Personally, I highly prefer AoW's look over Shieldwolf (just my preference) for the marauders. There are also many companies pursuing hard plastic tooling, with threads here in this same section (and of course, many doing PVC).

AoW is undoubtedly very late on their dwarf Kickstarter, and no one should forget it, but it's still nice to get news and Adder Ant has passed on comments from Dakka directly to Felix before! So, let's keep this constructive, please as it is a useful one to have, despite the issues AoW is working through.

I dunno, kinda iffy about this. As has been said before Shieldwolf's offerings looks like a better option (especially for me because i'm starting to hate uber heroic proportions). I haven't seen their barbarian infantry IRL yet, but I've painted the barbarian hero (the last painted one on corgan's spoliered post) and for me the culpt is absolutely good. I'm sure those other barbarians would look better with paintjobs on them.

Hekal Xul wrote:
Sirio: (Greece)
corgan (Greece)
Shieldwolf Miniatures (Greece)

Coincidence much?
Go play in your own thread.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/604883.page

Edited by RiTides

From my part, no coincidence at all. As other members have stated before, I am very willing to support a good Greek effort in the miniature market. We are speaking of the first and currently only Greek company which do business in this market and I am really happy that they are serious and they give quality products, investing big money and having good prices. This is plainly respect for the customer

By saying this, doesn't mean that I have any issue with AoW, a company which I also have supported in the past and will continue doing, just because I like seeing smaller companies going well in a highly competitive market. You will see no post of mine, being negative or ironic about AoW considering material or delay issues. On the contrary I have mentioned many times the quality of their sculptures. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/472398.page?userfilterid=78350

Regarding my post I just wanted to contribute to the question by Azazelx and give some more information.

My regards to Adder Ant for hsi contribution and all the information he offers to the discussion.


P.S. If the moderator considers that my post is by any means misleading or inappropriate he can accept my apologies and very well completely delete it

PVC is plastic.

I bought their PVC Dwarf rangers and was quite happy with them. 20 awesome detailed models for like $38.

I also have Shieldwolf miniatures' HIPS plastic orcs, which are wonderful, but Shieldwolf's resin barbarians look like flat cast stamped tin miniatures from the 1960's.

Well, on their website it's not $38 but normal offer is 35 euros for 20 Marauders. You can check it out here

For the duration of this offer you can get a special box of 30 Marauders for 35€ (normal sale box will be 20 miniatures) plus a free Marauder Champion. - See more at: http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=pl12-ps&prodname=Marauders+of+the+Apocalypse+with+shields+%2830+miniatures+and+champion+deal%29&mediumcast=plastic&id=118&Itemid=143#sthash.UlOttaMo.dpuf

Not only I did not post pics not to derail the thread, I didn't even mention the name Shieldwolf, I only answered the question made above!

The Greek community is small, everyone here knows Angelos and he's an exceptional guy with deep love for what he is doing. If you want to know, yes, I know him personally but so do another 100+ people here, almost everyone is in Athens. It's the same discussion I assume with you knowing Felix. I find nothing wrong with that. I like a lot of companies and used to be a fanatic over AoW and have purchased directly and indirectly a lot of their stuff. It's not my fault they f*cked up everything the last 3 years.
You want to buy it and/or support them, go right ahead. My money goes to companies that respect me.

And for the comment written "go play in your own playground", all this wouldn't have been triggered if people kept on posting in the same thread and not jump around in new ones in order to avoid the criticism made.
If the mods believe my post is inappropriate, please the mods to erase it. For the record I however believe it is not inapropriate.

Ah yes, I'm used to buying from Miniature Market - http://www.miniaturemarket.com/aowpl07.html
actually it's $36.80 for the PVC & HIPS plastic box sets

Adder Ant wrote:

 howie wrote:
They look really cool!

I'd be in for these if they weren't the same material as the Warriors of the Apoc. I was really put off creating the 4 boxes of the GW armed ones I got.

it's not the same one. they dropped warcast due to production problems, and switched to pvc injected plastic, same as privateer press for example.
i find pvc very good but still some like pvc, some dont though.

agree aow plastic units take a while to assemble as they come in so many parts, but man do they look fantastic when the job is done (althouhg a long one it is) and you can completely give your touch because of the variability to achive when posing.

btw, these new pvc marauders and the pvc corrupters are 100% compatible so lots of conversion options here! compatibility will also exist with the pvc warriors of apoc when they get their pvc tooling feix told me

I'm pretty sure I got the PVC ones, I got 4 boxes of the corrupter's with the GW and limited edition guy. I just wasn't impressed with the amount of clean up I had to do on every guy. Yeah they are nice models, but the process I went through just to get them under coated mentally pained me.



Regards,
Howie

Okay, everyone has had their say and I will now ask that further discussion of Shieldwolf Miniatures be directed to the appropriate thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/604883.page

As I said above, it is fine to mention the competition, but further discussion of Shieldwolf Miniatures would be off-topic to this thread... it has it's own thread! In general, it is considered a bit impolite to do more than just mention a competitor in a different company's thread... so, now that we've had half a page of discussion regarding it, please take it to the appropriate thread. Thanks.

Howie- That's my concern with these, cleanup on small PVC models has been really difficult for me. Some people don't seem to mind it (judgedoug and cincydooley, for instance) but it is the main thing that holds me back. I absolutely love the sculpts, though.

Sirio wrote:
. I like a lot of companies and used to be a fanatic over AoW and have purchased directly and indirectly a lot of their stuff. It's not my fault they f*cked up everything the last 3 years.
You want to buy it and/or support them, go right ahead. My money goes to companies that respect me.

Aside from the well-known delays with the Dwarf KS and the production issues with Warcast and changes to PVC, the AoW staff have always been very friendly and helpful to me when I've contacted them. Johanna in particular has always gone out of her way to sort issues for me when I've contacted her.

 Azazelx wrote:

Sirio wrote:
. I like a lot of companies and used to be a fanatic over AoW and have purchased directly and indirectly a lot of their stuff. It's not my fault they f*cked up everything the last 3 years.
You want to buy it and/or support them, go right ahead. My money goes to companies that respect me.

Aside from the well-known delays with the Dwarf KS and the production issues with Warcast and changes to PVC, the AoW staff have always been very friendly and helpful to me when I've contacted them. Johanna in particular has always gone out of her way to sort issues for me when I've contacted her.

I agree. They have always been friendly, but it takes forever and ever to actually get a reply from them, if ever. Yes, they might be good to reply when people want to buy stuff from them, but when it comes to replacement of bad casts, missing items, etc, etc. the customer service for me has been aweful. And I will not even get into the customer service when it regards the IGG campaign.

But generally I do like the sculpting and their vision for AoW so I hope they can manage to bounce back.

Sirio wrote:
I like a lot of companies and used to be a fanatic over AoW and have purchased directly and indirectly a lot of their stuff. It's not my fault they f*cked up everything the last 3 years.

its sad that you liked AoW and now you are so upset. this totally surprises me. they might be slow, and wrong or unable to communicate in some business decisions, but they surely are very friendly and polite people.
what went so wrong for you to be so upset with them?
as i said i go every friday to AoW HQ to play. do you mind if i tell johanna about you? i would bet they are not aware of this situation and everything has to be some type of missunderstanding.

grefven wrote:

I agree. They have always been friendly, but it takes forever and ever to actually get a reply from them, if ever. Yes, they might be good to reply when people want to buy stuff from them, but when it comes to replacement of bad casts, missing items, etc, etc. the customer service for me has been aweful. And I will not even get into the customer service when it regards the IGG campaign.

But generally I do like the sculpting and their vision for AoW so I hope they can manage to bounce back.

I'll agree on the IGG campaign. I'm waiting on a Dwarf Standard replacement, but I told them they could ship with the Doomcrushers, so I haven't received it yet. (and the Doomcrushers got delayed - so hopefully soon).

Asking again here: have they shipped out all standard bearers now? I still don't have anything but I honestly don't know if that's a problem by now...

Adder Ant wrote:

Sirio wrote:
I like a lot of companies and used to be a fanatic over AoW and have purchased directly and indirectly a lot of their stuff. It's not my fault they f*cked up everything the last 3 years.

its sad that you liked AoW and now you are so upset. this totally surprises me. they might be slow, and wrong or unable to communicate in some business decisions, but they surely are very friendly and polite people.
what went so wrong for you to be so upset with them?
as i said i go every friday to AoW HQ to play. do you mind if i tell johanna about you? i would bet they are not aware of this situation and everything has to be some type of missunderstanding.

I'm sorry that I sounded that bad, now I'm reading it again and see I was out of line. I do not take back waht I said, just the maner in which I said it. Sorry.
I never said they were inpolite or unfriendly, they just weren't there for me one unaswered mail after the other, after a while I just stopped caring. I thank you for the offer and I understand you are fond of them like I'm fond of the other company, I was the one who told you that anyway, but what I'd like to see is Felix to be involved directly with people and not have others (like you) have to be a connector. He is not a president, he runs a tiny company ffs! The rest I'll message you not to derail the topic any longer.
Anyway, I hope everything works out for them, no hard feelings?

 Bolognesus wrote:
Asking again here: have they shipped out all standard bearers now? I still don't have anything but I honestly don't know if that's a problem by now...

No idea. I emailed them about some other stuff, and also asked about the BSB at the time and they mailed me mine. (this was after a couple of people had them arrive shown here). No idea how many are yet to go or if they're all sent out, since there's no real "AoW KS Central" anywhere.

Ah. So raising the issue with them might actually help. I'll go do that later this week then. Thanks!

Same material used as privateer press? That would be restic then and I would highly advise people to stay well clear of it. The sooner the industry is rid of it the better.

For the next month only to celebrate AoW's 5th birthday they've made the discontinued Warcast sets available from the webstore again, they're also offering free worldwide shipping on all orders and are throwing in a free t-shirt for orders over 80€.

Our fifth birthday is here!

To celebrate it, we make available to all, for a whole month, our products that can not be purchased through the usual sales channels. And being a celebration, we do offer these products with some really extraordinary prices (Warcast resin regiment boxes at the same price as plastic regiments)!.

These are really good offers, for those resin regiments are of unmatched quality, so if you like them now is your perfect chance to get them!

Also during the celebration, all orders get free shipping worldwide, and those orders over 80€ will receive the free 5th anniversary t-shirt!

Click the 5th Anniversary logo on the top left for more info!

Thanks so much for your support during these years!

http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127&Itemid=163

I'm really excited too see the Warriors of Apoc available again even if its only for a single month, I've been kicking myself for the past 2 years for only purchasing one set before they were eventually discontinued.

Big word of Warning though, If this sale proves popular i would 100% expect massive delays from AoW when it comes to shipping Warcast items. I pre-ordered a set of the original Warcast Warriors of Apoc a few years ago and it took AoW a total of 7 months to cast and send the models to me.

Since this thread hasn't been updated in a while, here are also the 2 new hero models that were released last month.

Yeah.. NO. Don't support this company. They took mine and the money of several others and did jack gak for years.

Their Indiegogo Campagne is just a joke by now.

I'm not happy with the state of the Indiegogo either Ronin, but you're completely full of gak when you say they've screwed people over. You may not be happy with the slow progress they've made with the indiegogo but they have explained they're current situation MULTIPLE times. They based the amount of money needed for the Indiegogo and its stretch goals around the costs of producing the models in Warcast which was only a few hundred dollars per mould, unfortunately they experienced multiple problems with supplying, casting and working with Warcast and were forced to move to the next best alternative for cheaper models which was PVC. Which unfortunately in Felix's own words cost "about a hundred times greater than warcast!". Which is why they've been forced to rely on selling pre-orders to help fund there new dwarf regiments.

Surprisingly enough though AoW have actually been slowly inching their way towards finishing the Indiegogo campaign. Although they suffered a fairly large setback this year with the Vestals which were delayed multiple times by the PVC production company which in turn held up the tooling for their other regiments. Felix recently said on the AoW forums that the Iron Guard regiment might be available for pre-order sometime in October/November, so assuming that the Iron Guard pre-order isn't delayed and they've already completed the models then AoW have the following items left to finish:

Regiments:
Treasure Hunters,
Dwarf Cavalry,
Bear Warriors,

Heroes:
Dwarf king,
Mounted Dwarf king,
Bear Lord,
Multi-part champion,
Master builder,

Misc:
Living ancestors,
Mortar and crew,

Not my problem if they failed to test the material before going all out on it.
Really not my fault. And in fact, I liked my Warcast models which I got.

And until the Iron Guard or the Doomcrusher are actually available, they're still on the To-Do list.

Is "Warcast" the good stuff, or the not so good "PVC" with size and quality issues?

I just ordered two sets of warriors of Apoc, they sent me the order confirmation email but have yet to send me the payment option email, i'll let you guys know how it goes.

Mr Gutsy wrote:
For the next month only to celebrate AoW's 5th birthday they've made the discontinued Warcast sets available from the webstore again, they're also offering free worldwide shipping on all orders and are throwing in a free t-shirt for orders over 80€.

Our fifth birthday is here!

To celebrate it, we make available to all, for a whole month, our products that can not be purchased through the usual sales channels. And being a celebration, we do offer these products with some really extraordinary prices (Warcast resin regiment boxes at the same price as plastic regiments)!.

These are really good offers, for those resin regiments are of unmatched quality, so if you like them now is your perfect chance to get them!

Also during the celebration, all orders get free shipping worldwide, and those orders over 80€ will receive the free 5th anniversary t-shirt!

Click the 5th Anniversary logo on the top left for more info!

Thanks so much for your support during these years!

http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=127&Itemid=163

I'm really excited too see the Warriors of Apoc available again even if its only for a single month, I've been kicking myself for the past 2 years for only purchasing one set before they were eventually discontinued.

Big word of Warning though, If this sale proves popular i would 100% expect massive delays from AoW when it comes to shipping Warcast items. I pre-ordered a set of the original Warcast Warriors of Apoc a few years ago and it took AoW a total of 7 months to cast and send the models to me.

Since this thread hasn't been updated in a while, here are also the 2 new hero models that were released last month.

The Dwarf priest is a nice looking model but the right arm doesn't look sculpted to adequately rank up in a unit which is unfortunate. I've bought the Berzerker(slayer proxy) and Ranger Dwarf box sets and have been delighted to have gotten them but the one weakness the models have is that they are not designed to rank up that well. This is something I feel that GW does well but doesn't often get credit for in its product line

RoninXiC wrote:
Not my problem if they failed to test the material before going all out on it.
Really not my fault. And in fact, I liked my Warcast models which I got.

And until the Iron Guard or the Doomcrusher are actually available, they're still on the To-Do list.

So where's the problem?

You backed an indiegogo project assuming it would be just another pre-order like so many other companies do, and then are pissed off because the company encountered unexpected setbacks, or the fact that instead of simply folding and going belly up, AoW decided to find a way to still go trough with their release, even if it meant falling way behind schedule?

You'd rather they simply dropped the ball and gave up?

 Player not found wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
Not my problem if they failed to test the material before going all out on it.
Really not my fault. And in fact, I liked my Warcast models which I got.

And until the Iron Guard or the Doomcrusher are actually available, they're still on the To-Do list.

So where's the problem?

You backed an indiegogo project assuming it would be just another pre-order like so many other companies do, and then are pissed off because the company encountered unexpected setbacks, or the fact that instead of simply folding and going belly up, AoW decided to find a way to still go trough with their release, even if it meant falling way behind schedule?

You'd rather they simply dropped the ball and gave up?

I agree with you on some points, but disagree on others. As with any crowdfunding campaign there will always be a risk of the project not being successful in the end. That is a risk, and people should be aware of it and consider it before backing. I totally agree with you on this. However, AoW has not been doing (in my opionion) their best to actually make sure to actually complete the campaign. AoW keep releasing and working on other items rather than the dwarven ones (yes, I do realise that they too have to make a living, but then maybe they should be working an extra hour each day, or maybe an extra day on a weekend once or twice a month, etc.). Their second issue, which I find more disturbing in this entire matter, is that AoW is showing an utterly amazing poor communication (and thus respect) towards their backers. There are pretty much no information about any progress at all. They should, once or twice each month, give feedback and input on how the project is progressing. Even a little and very slow progress each month is better than none and I'd be sure that a lot of backers would accept and support them. Now, it's pretty much months of silence, then new items are released for their other range.

If they would only put a single hour into communicating with their supporters of the IGG project once a month, there would probably have been a lot less annoyance by backers. Personally, I like their products, but I will make sure that each time I recommend people buying it to also recommend that they buy through a retailer, because there are delays, lack of communication and other issues with AoW directly.

But, again, with all this said, you are right about it being a crowdfunding project and people will have to expect it. But in the same time, using the "it's a crowdfunding project" point does not automatically give you a "Get out of Jail free card". You still have obligations to take care of. So it really goes both ways.

Remember everyone, this campaign was set up in the early days of Crowdfunding, when things were treated like quick and easy pre-orders by the creators of these campaigns, so it should be no surprise that the backers backed with the same kind of attitude.

Sadly, everything that grefven says regarding communication is unfortunately accurate, as does his comment about the various other releases. Did you know that the Doomcrushers got backed up by the Vestals by months and months? Which of the two kits do you think should be the priority in getting out?

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Is "Warcast" the good stuff, or the not so good "PVC" with size and quality issues?

Warcast was their spun-cast resin. Their PVC tooling however has been pretty good (better than Mantic's) in my experience. I thoroughly liked my PVC Dwarf Pathfinders.

grefven wrote:
If they would only put a single hour into communicating with their supporters of the IGG project once a month, there would probably have been a lot less annoyance by backers. Personally, I like their products, but I will make sure that each time I recommend people buying it to also recommend that they buy through a retailer, because there are delays, lack of communication and other issues with AoW directly.

Strange business practice indeed, I have avoided buying anything online from them and have only ever bought from a local bricks and mortar shop to ensure I have no hassle with waitinig long periods...I have followed the anecdotes from users here about problems with getting orders fulfilled and I am sure others have done similar.

Yeah, I have a tendency to just buy stuff from Miniature Market so I know it's in stock and is coming. Might cost me a bit on not pre-ordering but it makes me feel safe

That said they make some very very nice models.

Received my confirmation of payment, which means to them that the product was in stock, awaiting shipping notice.

Confirmation of Payment doesn't mean stuff is in stock at AoW.

well they sent a confirmation of order email first where it said they will be checking for avail stock before they send the payment option, which came 2 days later.

How is their pvc? Considering the Vestals preorder.

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well they sent a confirmation of order email first where it said they will be checking for avail stock before they send the payment option, which came 2 days later.

It depends on what you're ordering.

So it appears the Vestals are finally finished and have already started shipping with some people already reporting to have received their sets, although from what I've read the reception to the regiment has been extremely mixed. Some people think they're good quality for the price while others think the set is really disappointing.

Personally i'm not surprised the set didn't turn out that well, from a distance the sculpts looked decent but when you looked at the closeup images they were pretty badly sculpted. (For example, all the models suffered from a severe case of Blow-up doll mouth...) Its a shame that AoW wasted almost a years worth of production time on a single regiment that despite being one of their best selling pre-orders to date just hasn't been receiving a good early reception so far.

Some good news though is that AoW has received the Doomcrusher test models in PVC and they look fantastic.

We did receive the first test shots and they were indeed excellent, by far the best PVC plastic regiment we've made so far.

Some noses needed a bit of tweaking, so that is being fixed for the last few weeks.

We are aiming now for a February shipping. I know it’s been a long wait, and this new extra-delay is very disappointing, but I can assure that when you have your preorder deal Doomcrushers on the gaming board it will have been worth the wait. These are very good indeed!

You can check here close pics of the plastic production test shots for you to see for yourself.
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1023&start=60

AoW has also released 6 new metal character models, i think they all look good except for the Lord of Warg model. I just can't tell if the sculpt has fething horrible proportions or if the photograph was just taken at an impossibly awkward angle. I'm also not a fan of the split helmet on the Tower of Torment, the bodywork on the model is just fantastic but AoW really should've gone with either a fully mutated head or a fully enclosed helm or at the very least slipped in multiple head options to add some variety.

For UK shoppers you can pick up a great deal at North Star Military Figures (£18 instead of £30) on

Corrupters of the Apocalypse with great weapons
http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=6093

Corrupters of the Apocalypse + free metal leader
http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=6094

(also minor discount on Dwarf Thunders and Dwarf Berserkers)

Cheers - v tempted.

Yup, ordered some friday and am very happy with the price. Just interested to see if any "bonus" metal characters come in the boxes.

North Star have posted them out already too.

"I'm not happy with the state of the Indiegogo either Ronin, but you're completely full of gak when you say they've screwed people over."

They (Felix) screwed me over about 10+ years ago when they had their Dragonrune company with orcs and ogres. I had bought a lot of them and then put an order in for over $200 and then they closed the company and never sent me my product. I emailed them with no response, and again years later when they started avatars of war. So that showed me his character at that time, even if he didn't have the money then to pay me back for what he stole, he could have years later when they were Avatar's of war and doing good.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
For UK shoppers you can pick up a great deal at North Star Military Figures (£18 instead of £30) on

Corrupters of the Apocalypse with great weapons
http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=6093

Corrupters of the Apocalypse + free metal leader
http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=6094

(also minor discount on Dwarf Thunders and Dwarf Berserkers)

Got my minis today, rather pleased that rather than 17 Corrupters with Great Weapons the box is actually has 24, and a different bonus metal character model. So 48 plastic resin (mould lines differ from non existant to a PITA) corruptors and 2 metal characters that retail for around £9.99 each for a total of £36, consider me very happy.

That said I would not want to deal with AOW directly given all of the GAK that happens with delays and communication.

Are those Corruptors with HW& Shield new??

I do not know enough about the company to answer, the box on both says 2014 and they are in resin plastic rather than HIPS (there was an initial Hard plastic release IIRC ?).

Has their kickstarter from a few years ago completed delivery or is it still in limbo?

hahahahahahaahhaa
Not even half of the regiments have been made and some of the already made have indeed vanished into limbo.

 warboss wrote:
Has their kickstarter from a few years ago completed delivery or is it still in limbo?

It is not completed, nowhere near it, in fact. I was in their IGG for several hundred USD, but managed to get refunded once I realized that the campaign will never get finished. It's sad. I love the miniatures, but the company is run extremely poor. If you want some AoW figures, make sure you buy it from another retailer, and not directly from them.

Oh crap! I pledged to that indegogo, I totally forgot about it! I should contact them and see if I can get something.

I figured it hadn't moved much but thought I'd ask as I didn't remember if I had unsubscribed from the thread here or if it simply hadn't had a post/update/news for many months. Thanks for the unfortunate clarification.

Well, with the email notice for their (Chaos) Marauders being released, I had a look at their page to see what you get - used to be a unit of 30 for 35euro... now it seems to be 15 for 35 euro, and they're limiting the freebie preorder model to one per order instead of one per box. So I'll skip it and maybe look again when it hits retailers.

But I did see some movement in their forums due to their frontpage links, and some stuff that's relevant for anyone that backed their Indiegogo....

Note - Gaelion is Felix - owner/chief sculptor.

http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=894&start=868

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Well, as I said, campaign backers have already a very nice Dwarf range (the nicest out there) to chose from (in which we have long far invested more money than what we raised), with great offers, access to all our exclusive products, free shipping so they can claim at any moment part of their perk, then another part, ...

All in all, the way I feel is that AoW Dwarf campaign is already a great deal for any Dwarf collector that contributed to the campaign, so I frankly do not feel obliged to sculpt more Dwarfs for the campaign. That said, I am not saying the campaign is ended, as I will of course sculpt more Dwarf figures, and campaign backers that still prefer waiting, will still have access to exisitng + new Dwarf products with all the advantages.

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I'm sorry you are obliged we backed this project for specific models which were funded Ian sorry you have spent more than you budgeted but we were promised models years ago and now you say you don't feel obliged to make the models many of us really want for me this was the bear riders it was the main reason I backed this campaign i am very angry at your lack of respect for your customer I have waited three years for bear riders and now it looks like I will have to wait even longer. I know you will eventually sculpt them but this is terrible customer service

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rugby149999, really sorry to hear you feel this way. I really have made a very big investment both in time to sculpt some very nice Dwarfs for every backer to feel worth the contribution, and in money compared to the raised amount.
But anyway, I am not saying I will not do those Dwarf regiments, I will indeed sculpt those Dwarf regiments, however what I try to say is that the lasting campaign regiments will be sculpted in a "normal schedule", without priority over other armies regiments.

English is not my first language, so maybe "obliged" was not the appropriate word. Sorry about that.

As I said, the available Dwarf offer will only get better

BTW, forgot to say that the Iron Guard regiment has not been shown, but is already sculpted as part of the campaign, and will be available once tooling is done.

and later in the thread....

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Cannot give an exact time table (for example month by month), but as part of our planning to strongly support Warthrone with regular plastic regiments releases, 2016 will see the release of some plastic dwarf regiments, the first ones most probably during the first half.

So there you have it. The campaign is done.
People with models outstanding can get something, but in terms of working on the campaign or prioritising Dwarfs in any way, Felix has called it.
Probably no surprise to anyone, but here it is from the Horse's mouth. I'd suggest that anyone still owed anything - especially Bear Riders that may or may not come at some undefined point in the future - might want to get onto that sooner rather than later. I wouldn't put much stock into what's said about 2016 releases, particularly the implication of plural/multiple releases, given AoW's historical rate of model releases.

Did the "dwarfs in bear disguise" get sculpted? I was very interested to see how those turned out

Yeah, definitely haven't been pleased by my interactions with Avatars of War. Ordered a couple character models direct form them, both of which were listed as "in stock" on their web store, and it took a *month* for them to process the order and ship. Only did so after repeated prompts from me.

The stated reason? "The person who regularly processes these orders is on vacation for a month, and I am not strong enough to carry the box to the post office."

Wow... almost exactly a year since my last bump for info. Are they finally done with their KS obligations?

 warboss wrote:
Wow... almost exactly a year since my last bump for info. Are they finally done with their KS obligations?

No, you misread it. They are in no way near done with their IGG (KS) obligations. Felix (the owner) is saying that they are practically abandonning the IGG and that they will sculpt dwarves a little now and then when they feel like it.

 RiTides wrote:
Did the "dwarfs in bear disguise" get sculpted? I was very interested to see how those turned out

nope.

Christ I'm glad I only went in on this for the standard which took 2 years and some to arrive and only after a local person took my issue directly to their office....

If the doomcrushers ever get out to MM I'll grab a box or two. It would actually be cheaper to purchase from them directly with the current exchange rate but I'm not ordering anything direct from them. I trust MM when they say they have it in stock.

Hulksmash - your other option would be UK discounters who offer free shipping. That's where I've got a lot of my own AoW stuff from. Firestorm Games and The Troll Trader are my recommendations for fantasy stuff. The discount is only 10% which I know isn't what people from the US are often used to, but they have good service and it's still cheaper than going through AoW.

edit - FireSTORM games, not FireFORGE games.

grefven wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Wow... almost exactly a year since my last bump for info. Are they finally done with their KS obligations?

No, you misread it. They are in no way near done with their IGG (KS) obligations. Felix (the owner) is saying that they are practically abandonning the IGG and that they will sculpt dwarves a little now and then when they feel like it.

Thanks. Somehow when I was viewing the thread on my mobile device, I skipped by the bulk of Azazal's post explaining the answer to my question. That's too bad unfortunately for backers but given the (in)action and (bad)attitude of the creator for all these years it's no surprise.

 Azazelx wrote:
Hulksmash - your other option would be UK discounters who offer free shipping. That's where I've got a lot of my own AoW stuff from. Fireforge Games and The Troll Trader are my recommendations for fantasy stuff. The discount is only 10% which I know isn't what people from the US are often used to, but they have good service and it's still cheaper than going through AoW.

Good call. I managed to grab the 30 man doom crusher boxes for the price of the 20 mans. It was like getting a third box for $10. So thanks for that heads up.

No problem, HS. Glad I could help!

I saw Felix's posts back in November and actually had a write up planned for Dakka, but after a certain point I was just so over AoW's bull gak that i never bothered posting it. Have to say I'm embarrassed that i defended them for so long, they still make great products but the amount of incompetency and the complete lack of respect that they show their customers has slowly drained what little faith i have left in AoW.

The 5th Anniversary sale that they had back in October 2014 has turned into a huge clusterfeth too, for a single month they decided to make the older OOP Warcast regiments available again but didn't anticipate that they might receive a huge amount of sales for items that were originally only available for a small amount of time. Unsurprisingly this is exactly what happened, after 6 months of silence i contacted them back in July and was told that they were struggling to cast the quantity that were sold and that they had absolutely no idea when they would be able to start shipping my Warcast items.

As of today i'm still waiting for my 5 boxes of Warriors of Apoc to be cast/shipped, although in July i was offered a fairly generous alternative to instead take a store voucher that was worth my initial purchase plus a further 50% instead of the models. Looking back i probably should've jumped at the offer but at the time i desperately wanted a few more Warriors of Apoc regiments.

I think a good rule of thumb concerning AoW is to never buy anything directly from them but wait until the product is in a store . Preferably a physical one and if it's a digital one, be sure it's one where you can trust that when they say it's in stock it actually is, and they're not counting on ordering stuff when they get orders.

As long as that's taken care of, the models seems to be consistently nice and reasonably priced.

To be fair, I pre-ordered and received a 2-3 different sets of their models in the last year. There were delays with both/all, and I wasn't happy with the 6-month extra delay on the Doomcrushers, but the deal was decent at least due to extra figures and/or metal characters included (depending on the particular deals). Since they've cut right back on the value with the Marauders, there's no longer any advantage at all to ordering direct, though.

 Zywus wrote:
I think a good rule of thumb concerning AoW is to never buy anything directly from them but wait until the product is in a store . Preferably a physical one and if it's a digital one, be sure it's one where you can trust that when they say it's in stock it actually is, and they're not counting on ordering stuff when they get orders.

As long as that's taken care of, the models seems to be consistently nice and reasonably priced.

It has been proven over the latest couple of years that AoW is not a reliable source to buy directly from. They have had problems fulfilling orders at a numerous occassions. Buy their products, but do so through other retailers that actually stock their items, because the quality of the miniatures are indeed holding a high standard. It is a real pity how this company is handling their business and customer relations, because they have good products.

I got my IGG dwarf standard bearer a couple of months back. I messaged them on IGG and they sent it out right away, so anyone who is still waiting I'd suggest doing the same.

It is very frustrating that such a talented artist runs his business this way.

willb2064 wrote:

It is very frustrating that such a talented artist runs his business this way.

This is the reason I really appreciate the feedback from others on the site who have bought directly from AoW; I've bought a few things from them but only through a local store after what I read on here over the past few years.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:
Yeah, definitely haven't been pleased by my interactions with Avatars of War. Ordered a couple character models direct form them, both of which were listed as "in stock" on their web store, and it took a *month* for them to process the order and ship. Only did so after repeated prompts from me.

The stated reason? "The person who regularly processes these orders is on vacation for a month, and I am not strong enough to carry the box to the post office."

Man, I thought only I got that excuse. Lol.

I've heard that the key to a good lie is to tell it consistently.

 warboss wrote:
I've heard that the key to a good lie is to tell it consistently.

That's what everyone says.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I've heard that the key to a good lie is to tell it consistently.

That's what everyone says.

Except that you're not supposed to tell the same lie to different people at different times like AOW apparently. Even in socialist Europe, the same guy shouldn't be on vacation every month.

 warboss wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I've heard that the key to a good lie is to tell it consistently.

That's what everyone says.

Except that you're not supposed to tell the same lie to different people at different times like AOW apparently. Even in socialist Europe, the same guy shouldn't be on vacation every month.

Maybe that's his job. Minis are just his hobby.


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As of today i'm still waiting for my 5 boxes of Warriors of Apoc to be cast/shipped, although in July i was offered a fairly generous alternative to instead take a store voucher that was worth my initial purchase plus a further 50% instead of the models. Looking back i probably should've jumped at the offer but at the time i desperately wanted a few more Warriors of Apoc regiments.

They'll probably offer the voucher again if you ask them, they did for me at least.