I'm so excited to share - we've just got an an approval from KS staff and our campaign will launch on Sept 10 .
For those who don't know what is it all about - we wish to release a complete Orcs&Goblins sci-fi army inspired by US Army WW2 equipment. Here are some items that have been previewed:
I'll be in for a load of the goblins for sure. Maybe some vehicles. Not to fond of the orc, but when the floodgates open I'm sure that my opinion will change.
I wouldn't even bother with 40k. Those would make a great faux US army for a Flintloquesque historical system. We'd just need some Dark Elf Wehrmacht to go against them.
Speaking of which, I really need to get back to converting orc cuirassiers.
edlowe wrote: They look pretty awesome, hope their reasonably priced for an army?
urbanevil wrote: Wow.... I may just be investing in my first kick-starter ever, im goin all in for hopefully a decent price on my new ork army =)
As "reasonable" is rather subjective term you'll probably have to check for yourself. Hopefully you'll find the prices ok - one of the reasons of using KS was it would be tricky to make the models affordable otherwise (bulky models , like orcs have rather high production costs).
His Master's Voice wrote: I wouldn't even bother with 40k. Those would make a great faux US army for a Flintloquesque historical system. We'd just need some Dark Elf Wehrmacht to go against them.
neat idea ! Weird War II
Malkaven wrote: Looks good. What currency will the campaign run on? Info on pricing would be great too
As we launch the campaign through UK the default currency is GBP - but fear not, we've gone an extra lengths to make USD pledges a breeze, with all pledge levels converted to USD as well
These are really nice and I say that as someone who isn't a huge fan of orks and wasn't to sure of the concept for seeing the photographs. Best of luck
Lots of work ahead . With all visible goals there are over 20 units/vehicles planned (5 as a 10000 basic goal and the rest as stretch ), and that does not take into account 'secrets' .
I really dig that halftrack in the little teaser video. If everything's the same quality as the existing MaxMini Orks, I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt this Kickstarter will get funded out the wazoo!
Might want to duplicate the gobbo and orc models in those first pics on the KS page- at first glance I thought they were units of 5 or 6 rather than 10 (they're a much better deal at 10, of course!).
Hulksmash wrote: Am I right that all the bodies/arms are pretty much set on the Orks and Gobbo troops with the only part you can really mix and match being the heads?
it is way better than that - you can swap the arms between models too (clothed arms with clothed arms, bare with bare), This is something we wish to carry if the extra heads/bodies/arms unlock
Is that for the gobbos and orks or just the orks? Just trying to figure out how crazy I might go. Love all the other stuff I've gotten from you guys over the years.
So are the bullets going to be worked out so that we one for every dollar after the exchange rate? Like say the 60 pound pledge actually goes up to $110 US. Would we still get 110 bullets plus the extra 5 or would we just be getting 100?
It will come down to exchange rate - we've posted an approximated rate that has been worked out when we have posted the project.
So I'd say that such things will be worked out in your favor .
lord_blackfang wrote: I put in 60 quid. That gets me a half track, 10 orcs and 10 gobbos with shipping, exactly. Almost like that's the intended basic pledge!
Also, Kroothawk can now die happy, a Polish resin company is doing WW2 Orks that aren't nazis.
Ah,
maybe these are Nazi Orks at the Battle of the Bulge, impersonating Americans
Why is the £900 pledge worse than the £600 one in regards to bonus bullets.
£300 gets you +50
£600 gets you +120
£900 gets you +140?
Heck with 3 accounts getting the £300 pledge you'd get +150, or do 1 £600 and 1 £300 and get +170?
60/5=12
120/20=6
300/50=6
600/120=5
900/140=6,43?
If you look at the above you can see an exact ratio of division, except for the £900 pledge where it's messed up?
If we would use the 5 ratio as in the £600 pledge we would get 900/5=180
So should the bonus bullets be 180? or is the ratio meant to go down even further? to 4 for 225 bonus bullets?
Or should they all be 6 (except first one)? As in you wrote the wrong number in the £600 pledge where 600/6=100 and the £900 should be 150? This wouldn't make much sense because the £600 pledge would be no better than 2 £300 pledges (postage dont count in my arguments )
-But you get a custom head with the £900 pledge!
True, but I'd also like the bonus to be just as good as the pledge below it if not better as I'd be pledging more...
Also on postage.
So if I spend:
$1-$35 shipping is $5
$36-$140 it's $20
$141+ it's $40
Those are some pretty bad postage rates, is that for US shipping or something? I'd expect it to be far lower than that within the EU?
Dollar ratios for those wondering:
200/20=10
500/50=10
1000/120=8,33
1500/140=10,71
Basically: The more you spend the worse the extra bullet deal gets. People talk about a sweet spot in kickstarters and with this one it's definitely the $1000/£600 one (unless you count the $1500/£900 bonus head sculpt for the first 10 pledgers. So once those are gone (if they go) then the $1500/£900 pledge will be the worst one in the kickstarter except for the $100/£60 pledge.
As for shipping - the shipping carrier out here flattened the rates out here a couple of months ago. They start to diversify with heavier packages - but we have decided to cover for those.
Also note we are not talking about just a bunch of figures - it's about quite large package filled with models. I've seen way to many KS going into trouble by providing unrealistic shipping rates.
Sadly no small company will get discounts as for example amazon does from shipping carriers.
The bonus on the top pledge level should be 150, not 140 - which should give you identical bonus per buck as the lvl below plus your own sculpt. I've been doing last minute change to this lvl (spotted small typo) and it looks I've hit 4 instead of 5. Thx for pointing that out - will fix that.
I asked about seeing the melee orks and hero and was told
Creator MaxMini.eu about 12 hours ago
@Orlando: melee orcs should be posted by the end of the week. Hero will take a while longer - we're finishing work on vehicles and we're starting the characters.
What are the retail prices like? Not letting know or if it's a small difference that might push backers away from this, if the difference is substantial your campaign will probably attract more people.
Przemas wrote: As for shipping - the shipping carrier out here flattened the rates out here a couple of months ago. They start to diversify with heavier packages - but we have decided to cover for those.
Also note we are not talking about just a bunch of figures - it's about quite large package filled with models. I've seen way to many KS going into trouble by providing unrealistic shipping rates.
Sadly no small company will get discounts as for example amazon does from shipping carriers.
The bonus on the top pledge level should be 150, not 140 - which should give you identical bonus per buck as the lvl below plus your own sculpt. I've been doing last minute change to this lvl (spotted small typo) and it looks I've hit 4 instead of 5. Thx for pointing that out - will fix that.
edit: it is fixed
This still doesn't really fix the issue:
£600/120=5
£900/150=6
If you made the bonus the same as the £600 one the bonus bullets should be 180 as I pointed out in my first post If you are going for a flat rate of 6 the £600 one should be 100 and not 120. The £600 one is still the best deal in this kickstarter and if you get all 10 £900 ones claimed anyone else who picks it will actually "lose" money doing so compared to the £600 one.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this and people might feel a bit pissed when one goes about changing their pledges for the worse So I'd change the £900 one to 180 to make it even with the £600 one or lower the £600 one to 100 to keep it even across the board.
Got away from work early to make sure I got it backed as soon as possible although I think I could have needed the extra cash now as I upped my level from 300 TO 600 jesus I am meant to be buying a new sofer she is going to kill me
I would have gone 900 but no way can I squeeze the pot any more, dam I so wanted the custom mini as well good luck guys anyway and hope I have helped some towards this even though it is going to cost me my life in the end
lone dirty dog wrote: (snip) good luck guys anyway and hope I have helped some towards this even though it is going to cost me my life in the end
Can I have your stuff?
Friendly bump while waiting for updates as the campaign already crashed stretch goal after stretch goal. You guys at Maxmini might be starting to think about adding more goals above the 35,000 US.
EDIT: Flag shows UK as I am currently on vacation there
Nice campaign with the classical warhammer dumby Orks + Gobbos, easily funded and hitting stretch goals from day one! I'm thinking of backing it if it weren't for a couple of flaws I can't get off my head.
Apart the 600/900 pound level issue (which makes imo the 900 worse! as others spotted above), they have answered/dodged the retail price question in a very vague way
I can't say exactly now but generally you can count that KS amounts are as low as we could give to make it reasonable for all of us . I can say that you can feel with those prices as a wholesaler
AFAIK that would be something like 40-50% then, cause that's what wholesalers buy at (unless things have changed, which I doubt since they usually dicount from RRP). That would mean instead of 35$ for 10 Orks the retail price will be 70$? For some reason, I highly doubt that... But maybe becuase of the language barrier they didn't really mean that (reminds me of a FF campaign, lol!) so it can mean different things to different people, 35$ for 10 Orks is a good deal me thinks, but if it's 45$ retail then jumping in just for the Orcs and not buying them off from some retailer (at a disounted price and with free shipping maybe) doesn't really make sense
Another (disturbing) thing I noticed on the comment section was when speaking of the quality of maxmini minis the person answering is not the creator but a backer that goes by the name Billy Pistole,
In his first 2 comments he's acting like he is a normal backer
I'm in! This is going to be a brilliant KS. Love the models.
Does the facebook share link work for anyone? I tried and it didn't actually do anything. If its not working I just wanted to let Maxmini know.
then he goes on answering one of the backers questions on the quality of maxmini minis ( (which I'm not saying is bad, I honestly don't know and like instead to believe is good)
...I've got loads of Maxmini Items and it is all top notch, great detail, clean casting, easy to assemble and looks great on the table top...
OK, in good faith let's say I can accept that and these minis are (according to him) nothing less than the best in the world, like I said I think they are probably good quality, but either this is a very weird coincidence or he's the very same guy listed on the last part of the video who helped make this! What happened, did he lose his phone numbers? I think a person answering outside the creative team would be more adequate and impartial, because this seems like you're toying with your pledgers and certainly doesn't inspire any confidence...
On the plus side, I think it's nice to have revealed what their planned stretched goals are and seems they've done enough of their homework so if this skyrockets they will be ready
I'm only saying what I think, since I cannot comment on the KS section but the creators (who have worked on this) are probably following this thread I wanted them to know...
Good luck MaxMini, hope all goes well!
@Siro: no need to dig conspiracy theories here.
When it comes to Billy he has been our customer from almost day one. Thus we're on a more personal contact with him - which usually means he is better informed than most. And no , he is not our employee - it would be awesome to have him aboard but I don't think we could afford him and there's quite a lot of space between Texas USA and Warsaw Poland.
Not to mention that even if those wouldn't be such issue I'm not sure Billy would be interested.
Oh, and yeah he is the one I thank at the end of the video - he deserved it. I sent him a bunch of emails asking what he thinks about various aspects of the project and his VERY honest feedback was immensely helpful.
As for retail price - the explanation is in project description but will restate it. The answer in the comments is not dodging the bullets - the truth is I simply don't know. We did simulation only for some of the units - and it has turned out it would be very expensive if we decide to sell them through distribution channels. Maybe not 70USD for unit of orcs, but close. And that's one of the reasons we decided to use KS - the idea was too cool not to try it, but at the same time not doable regular way. By using KS we are able to offer it directly and check whether it makes sense. We believed it does - and it seems we were right .
At this point I don't know what kind of priced in retail those could have - in fact there's an equal chance that as soon the molds wear out those will be not be reproduced anymore.
And last the dreaded 1500USD pledge - check it, it is fixed. For some reason it is the most tweaked pledge lvl among all. Probably reason why a glitch passed in it - we simply couldn't look at it any more. Hopefully it is ok now.
@ Sirio
Hi, I'm billy pistole. Yes I am a backer and yes I do believe Maxmini has some of the best quality resin products out there. When compared to FW and other shops I think they are far superior. Kromlech is on par with Maxmini but chapter house puppetswar and others are not as good. That is just my honest opinion. I occasionally write reviews for BoLS and I am constantly impressed by the quality. I assure you I am no employee, I haven't got the artistic skill to come close.
I think Lone Dirty Dog and I have been customers from Maxmini for close to the same amount of time. He and I have talked on several occasions about various products and projects.
I am just really excited for this project as I have been drooling over the renders for months now. So if I came off a bit over zealous.
In at $100 (all I can afford right now). Would it be wrong to start an Ork 40k army and only use these Gobos lol? They're amazing.
Kicktraw is trending towards 117,000 Pounds, Which is awesome, if we get even half that imagine what we can unlock, I hope for some freebies other than just parts.
Guys, I just wrote what all this made me think, it's not digging conspiracy theories at all, I believe you would think the same if you didn't know the stuff you just explained. I didn't call you any names but it did seem... "funny".
Anyway, all cool mates, happy you are watching the forums (as I thought you would). Again, good luck on this campaign!
@sirio
I didn't take it in a bad way. I just wanted to clarify it from my perspective so that everyone is on the same page.
I hope you decide to jump on board.
@shauni55
a 40k army of all grots might be tough to play with. They are pretty weak and have a short rage and weak guns. I've only got about $100 to spare as well so I know where you are coming from. I'm just going to get as many varied things as possible and hopefully add more later on.
This KS is going to skyrocket far past the current stretchgoals. i hope that as we gain funds, new freebies other than arms and heads become available. I don't need 5 sets of arms to pick from per model.
Ork Bikers have been unlocked (no art yet)
Goblin Tanks have been unlocked (no art yet)
and bonus freebies
More Goblin Heads (any backer who gets a goblin unit will get more variety of heads)
More Ork Torsos (any backer who gets ork units will get more variey of torsos)
@Sirio: didn't take it in a bad way either. Prefered to clear things up straight away.
Just in case - if you'll have similar doubts in the future feel welcome to shoot me a message.
Ork Bikers have been unlocked (no art yet)
Goblin Tanks have been unlocked (no art yet)
and bonus freebies
More Goblin Heads (any backer who gets a goblin unit will get more variety of heads)
More Ork Torsos (any backer who gets ork units will get more variey of torsos)
new pricing chart adding the extras
Not all the stretch goals are free, the bikers, tanks etc will only add more funds to the KS (which is a good thing)
elotsip wrote: @ Sirio
Hi, I'm billy pistole. Yes I am a backer and yes I do believe Maxmini has some of the best quality resin products out there. When compared to FW and other shops I think they are far superior. Kromlech is on par with Maxmini but chapter house puppetswar and others are not as good. That is just my honest opinion. I occasionally write reviews for BoLS and I am constantly impressed by the quality. I assure you I am no employee, I haven't got the artistic skill to come close.
I think Lone Dirty Dog and I have been customers from Maxmini for close to the same amount of time. He and I have talked on several occasions about various products and projects.
I am just really excited for this project as I have been drooling over the renders for months now. So if I came off a bit over zealous.
Yes we have been there from the early days " looking in to the distance with tear in his eye" no seriously I can guarantee that Billy is not an employee if he was he would be paying his own wages.
Back in the day when Maxmini was a wee shop and had its own forum board I think billy was always quick to give advice and suggestions so provided a lot of good feedback, hence the close relationship with Przemas.
I think it is always good to have a customer base that you can run ideas by and get some needed feedback from, think about it helps to offer a better product for your market.
I also have run ideas and suggestions by przemas and found him to be open to customer feedback and enthusiastic to ideas, also helpful and accommodating to particular needs with orders.
The only other thing I would add is the casting quality has been second to none, so have no doubts there overall they have been a top market contender IMHO.
O yes I am not an employee either however if they want to offer me a job I am open to offers
lone dirty dog wrote: (snip) good luck guys anyway and hope I have helped some towards this even though it is going to cost me my life in the end
Can I have your stuff?
Friendly bump while waiting for updates as the campaign already crashed stretch goal after stretch goal. You guys at Maxmini might be starting to think about adding more goals above the 35,000 US.
EDIT: Flag shows UK as I am currently on vacation there
elotsip wrote: @ Sirio
Hi, I'm billy pistole. Yes I am a backer and yes I do believe Maxmini has some of the best quality resin products out there. When compared to FW and other shops I think they are far superior. Kromlech is on par with Maxmini but chapter house puppetswar and others are not as good. That is just my honest opinion. I occasionally write reviews for BoLS and I am constantly impressed by the quality. I assure you I am no employee, I haven't got the artistic skill to come close.
I think Lone Dirty Dog and I have been customers from Maxmini for close to the same amount of time. He and I have talked on several occasions about various products and projects.
I am just really excited for this project as I have been drooling over the renders for months now. So if I came off a bit over zealous.
Yes we have been there from the early days " looking in to the distance with tear in his eye" no seriously I can guarantee that Billy is not an employee if he was he would be paying his own wages.
Back in the day when Maxmini was a wee shop and had its own forum board I think billy was always quick to give advice and suggestions so provided a lot of good feedback, hence the close relationship with Przemas.
I think it is always good to have a customer base that you can run ideas by and get some needed feedback from, think about it helps to offer a better product for your market.
I also have run ideas and suggestions by przemas and found him to be open to customer feedback and enthusiastic to ideas, also helpful and accommodating to particular needs with orders.
The only other thing I would add is the casting quality has been second to none, so have no doubts there overall they have been a top market contender IMHO.
O yes I am not an employee either however if they want to offer me a job I am open to offers
lone dirty dog wrote: (snip) good luck guys anyway and hope I have helped some towards this even though it is going to cost me my life in the end
Can I have your stuff?
Friendly bump while waiting for updates as the campaign already crashed stretch goal after stretch goal. You guys at Maxmini might be starting to think about adding more goals above the 35,000 US.
EDIT: Flag shows UK as I am currently on vacation there
Chris is currently pimping the studio paintjobs, Konrad and Kuba are modeling like crazy, me and Kacper are pulling the things together, answering to questions and so on.
The follow up is awesome - and your feedback is too . Another bunch of stretch goals have been reached and I've started uploading some new unit cards. If you haven't noticed them here they are:
Goblin Tanks
Big Truck
Goblin tanks are light and small vehicles while big truck is what the name implies - huge and scary behemoth.
I'm also closely watching questions as I want to compile first FAQ this weekend. So if you would like to ask something feel more than welcome.
So till tomorrow - my laptop is getting crazy hot trying to cope with rendering movies and teasers for a next update .
1) Will there be a pledge manager where we can add mroe $ for more stuff.
2) "Bullets" for shipping is silly. Especially with exchange rate changes dollars for pounds. Just change it to real-money rates.
3) I'd love to see pictures/renders for the stretch goals.
4) December 2014? Really? Really? You know I love you guys, but really? What about stretch goal items? What kinds of delays will they throw in? Will people be able to get their stuff split-shipped? Will people getting more than the basic items be waiting until July or September 2015 to get their stuff? Best to work this stuff out now - realistically and not optimistically and be upfront with how long these things will take. I'd hate to pledge $300 on face value hoping to assemble and paint these guys this Christmas to find them delayed for 6-8 months - meaning they might become something I have time to work on next Christmas (which is when I get a lot of time off and can work on bigger projects) - if I can muster the enthusiasm.
And please non-Kromlech guys - no excited-backer assurances. You knowI'm a fan of Polish resin - especially these guys and Kromlech - I'd just rather see what Przemek and co have to say on it.
1) Will there be a pledge manager where we can add mroe $ for more stuff.
At this point you can increase pledge level anytime during the campaign. But I guess you are asking whether we will use service like BackerKit etc, right? If there will be a need we will use something like that, but I think with current bullets system and onine form the system might prove flexible enough to cope with such issues.
2) "Bullets" for shipping is silly. Especially with exchange rate changes dollars for pounds. Just change it to real-money rates.
Really? Care to explain (no hard feelings here)?
From my point it is clean and elegant solution. We won't have to check 2 separate spreadsheets to see whether correct amount has been sent, won't have to struggle with additional exchange rates and it keeps everyone on the same page. It simply removes additional layer of a complexity that is not needed. Everything is contained within single and simple system. And c'mon with almost 1:1 bullets to usd exchange ratio it is not difficult to figure out the cost, is it ?
3) I'd love to see pictures/renders for the stretch goals.
Check the updates - we are gradually revealing new items. Hey, IT HAS BEEN ONLY 3 DAYS!!! (awesome, but still ). We simply can't show everything in one go. Even if I put pains of assembling such reveal aside, if we had done something like that we might end up talking about the weather in the updates .
Optimistic? Yes. Unrealistic? No. With production molds for basic units done it seems within our grasp. With high demand or some unforeseeable (at this point) obstacles it may turn out impossible to send all in Dec, but at least portion of orders should get sent in Dec. I know it is ambitious goal, but mind we will earn $$$ thx to this campaign only if we manage it efficiently.
As for the bullets - it's a nightmare, and if I weren't such a fan of your work, I wouldn't give the campaign a second look. If I need to use calculator to work out how much I have to spend, then there's a fundamental flaw.
Points are based on $USD, but the campaign is in GBP, but the points are also based on those, and I use $AUD, which will be converted into GBP, so I don't even know how many points, say, a 50GBP pledge would get me, since I don't know if you'll use the $USD exchange rate for my pledge or just flat GBP, and then I need to work out how many, then work out what I want, then subtract more "bullets" at I'm not sure which exchange rate from my pledge, or add them...
As far as stretch goal renders, I'm talking about those that are already unlocked, and perhaps 1-2 of the next ones. Not everything that's planned for the campaign.
For (December) delivery - sure, I'm sure that you could ship the early stuff, but are things like The Plane ready to be produced? Because if they need to be designed/sculpted/etc, then I fear we're looking at March/June/September/etc... and if the campaign really takes off, December 2015, or into 2016? Why would I say such things? These concerns are coming from experience with campaigns that blew up and did gangbusters levels of success. Yours is headed that way, too with more than 200% funded on day 3? 4?
Loving the Harleys. Hopefully they will be big enough to mount the Maxmini Badass Orc Biker, because I like them a lot more than the bike he comes with.
Curious about what weapons the Jeep will have. If it comes with bazookas, I feel it may be a big seller.
@Azazelx: there will be a time after the campaign to tweak the pledge.
As for renders - no worries they'll come up with time. My PC is close to frying up .
Oh, and let me get back to you in the evening, I think I have something that will help you with calculating the pledge .
We're close to unlocking Biped Tanks - here's a small encouragement:
overall design looks good but I have a question about the feet/legs of the first biped walker. is it supposed to move with the tread portion simialer to the pixar charter Walle. or dose it move like a human? if it's using the treads for locomotion they don't appear to be functioning they don't make a complete loop. Personally I would love the treads to be the primary method of locomotion with the legs only being used to traverse difficult obsticals and raise lower the main armament.
the idea was slightly different - in general we are trying to show that a lot of this equipment is rather happily bodged together. So in this instance various parts from tank were used to create walker, with tank tracks used as a soles.
Przemas wrote: the idea was slightly different - in general we are trying to show that a lot of this equipment is rather happily bodged together. So in this instance various parts from tank were used to create walker, with tank tracks used as a soles.
With regards to size.. Are you planning on having those tanks come closer to kan, dred, or naught size?
Not will they be in each size - which do you think they'll be closest to? Also, for the record, I got the whole "tracks as soles, not functional tracks" thing when I looked at the first one. So at least some pick will be picking up what you're putting down.
I was hoping to stay out of this kickstarter since Orks aren't really my thing. But, then you had to go and show off those Vert-Tanks. Depending on how big they are, I might actually have to throw down for one. I hope you guys are planning some Russian and German ones for sometime after the Kickstarter.
Personally, I hope you don't make them look too cobbled together/orky. They look like they'd have nice cross usage with other Weird War settings.
maybe you'll find it helpful in estimating pledge level. If you do here's a download link ("live" version won't be good when a couple of people will start meddling with it at the same time) :
1) Will there be a pledge manager where we can add mroe $ for more stuff.
2) "Bullets" for shipping is silly. Especially with exchange rate changes dollars for pounds. Just change it to real-money rates.
3) I'd love to see pictures/renders for the stretch goals.
4) December 2014? Really? Really? You know I love you guys, but really? What about stretch goal items? What kinds of delays will they throw in? Will people be able to get their stuff split-shipped? Will people getting more than the basic items be waiting until July or September 2015 to get their stuff? Best to work this stuff out now - realistically and not optimistically and be upfront with how long these things will take. I'd hate to pledge $300 on face value hoping to assemble and paint these guys this Christmas to find them delayed for 6-8 months - meaning they might become something I have time to work on next Christmas (which is when I get a lot of time off and can work on bigger projects) - if I can muster the enthusiasm.
And please non-Kromlech guys - no excited-backer assurances. You knowI'm a fan of Polish resin - especially these guys and Kromlech - I'd just rather see what Przemek and co have to say on it.
These are all really good points that I have been wondering myself. The bullet/shipping thing is my biggest pet peeve. I know it's silly, but when I see I have to spend my Bullets on the shipping I feel like I'm being ripped off. at 105 Bullets I have to give 1/5 of them for shipping alone
While I love orks, and I love these concepts... I don't see any reason to back the KS. The price is expensive, equal to or higher than retail (or if retail is going to be even more expensive, then these models are not competitive in the current marketplace) and the conversion costs and international shipping is a killer and I have had bad experiences with shipping from Europe.
I would rather wait until retail and either buy them from a US distributor or pay close to the same costs later.
I don't know what it is... I guess the value isn't there for me compared to what else is already on the market. And pledging to try to unlock more designs doesn't seem to be motivation for me on this one.
Good luck guys! Hope to see this when it is all done and at retail.
I am with Nkelsch on the cost of those models. The prices being charged seem closer to "I am simply pre-ordering my models" instead of an actual kickstarter.
I know I'm repeating myself but the cost is the reason we are doing it through KS . We knew that if we put it through retail the prices would have to fly through the roof.
Also for this very reason there's a huge chance those (or at least huge chunk of those , especially units) won't reach retail ever and/or will be out of production as soon molds made for this KS wear off. IT IS NOT PREORDER FOR !@#$%^ SAKES! And yes I had to write it in capital letters as it bugs me too.
It is not something that I write lightly . When it comes to bulky models as orcs raw material costs start to be a drag (and I know it is not that obvious that due to metal density orc models are 3 or more times in weight when compared to human size models). The only option I see for orcs to be cheaper would be a totally different manufacturing process. Sadly the one I'm developing is in very early stages (so no guarantee it will work ever) and plastic is not an option at current volumes and return of investment timeframe.
I would really love to sell models cheaper but I can't as I'd kill our small venture this way.
So - sorry I won't see you on board this time guys, hopefully in the future we will do something that will fit your budget.
Przemas wrote: @shauni55: simply put - we can't ship for free. We would have been shooting both our feet off if we did .
I'm in no way asking you to ship for free. What I'm saying is that when 20/105 of my Bullets are going to shipping it feels like I'm losing a large part of my pledge. Really you should just put the cost of shipping as opposed to the bullet amount.
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nkelsch wrote: While I love orks, and I love these concepts... I don't see any reason to back the KS. The price is expensive, equal to or higher than retail (or if retail is going to be even more expensive, then these models are not competitive in the current marketplace) and the conversion costs and international shipping is a killer and I have had bad experiences with shipping from Europe.
I would rather wait until retail and either buy them from a US distributor or pay close to the same costs later.
I don't know what it is... I guess the value isn't there for me compared to what else is already on the market. And pledging to try to unlock more designs doesn't seem to be motivation for me on this one.
Good luck guys! Hope to see this when it is all done and at retail.
It certainly is a "Spend more to Spend more" KS model. If the cost we are paying is covering the cost of a model being produced, why are add-on models stretch goals when we will have to pay for them as well.
Example:
I spend $100 originally, and eventually another model is unlocked at $25 (bullets). So I pay another $25. Does that $25 not cover the cost of producing that stretch goal add on?
I'm in no way asking you to ship for free. What I'm saying is that when 20/105 of my Bullets are going to shipping it feels like I'm losing a large part of my pledge. Really you should just put the cost of shipping as opposed to the bullet amount.
But what's the reals difference mate ? You pay exactly the same amount either way .
shauni55 wrote: If the cost we are paying is covering the cost of a model being produced, why are add-on models stretch goals when we will have to pay for them as well.
not sure what are you suggesting. Hope you're not thinking about unlocked models being free, are you ?
Example:
I spend $100 originally, and eventually another model is unlocked at $25 (bullets). So I pay another $25. Does that $25 not cover the cost of producing that stretch goal add on?
No, 25 USD does not cover the cost of (starting) production. The difference in amount between each stretch goal (for example 1000USD when it comes to unlocking artillery) does.
I think they look great and the price isn't to bad. £60 gets you 20 Orks and 10 grots to your door. Although more expensive then GW it is comparable to Kromlech whose Greatcoat Orks would set you back about £80 and to be honest I prefer these.
Postage seems a little high at £12 out of your £60 spend for the 30 models but it is what it is.
Personally I'm not interested in the vehicles so I'm waiting until I see some art/renders of the elite units (Airborne, Kommando, Tankhunters) then I can decide whether to pick up a few units or a whole army.
I have to echo Azazelx though, December 2014? really?
shauni55 wrote: If the cost we are paying is covering the cost of a model being produced, why are add-on models stretch goals when we will have to pay for them as well.
not sure what are you suggesting. Hope you're not thinking about unlocked models being free, are you ?
Other projects do expand your 'value' with more stretch goals in a point-based system... So if a basic pledge of 100 gets you 100 points, then at stretch goal A, people who had 100 points now get 105 points. So there is expanded value for expanded stretch goals for people who want to pile on. So yes, people do expect some 'freeness' or expanded value for unlocked goals in a point-system, otherwise, what is the benefit of stretch goals?
So it is a model some people do as they leverage economy of scale to drive down costs for people down the road.
Something just doesn't fit when compared to the current marketplace of ORK models/parts cost/value and how other KS are run. If everything fits for other people, so be it.
Preorder: order (an item of merchandise) before it is available, with the understanding that it will be shipped later.
I have a hard time believing it takes three times the amount of material to make the average ork as it does a human, but hey who am I to question I'm pretty bad at guesstimating mass and weight. I might actually try to weight a couple just out of curiosity.
Also to point out. Only a small percentage of the current models are actual Orks. As opposed to Goblins (substantially smaller than a lot of models) and mostly vehicles.
On another note funding has seemed to slow substantially. Kicktraq now trending half of what it did on Day 3, which isn't that strange but that is a big jump.
There isn't a lot of added value by doing this Kickstarter as people are used to. I'm going to ride it out and see where it goes, I can always hop off the train on the last day.
Preorder: order (an item of merchandise) before it is available, with the understanding that it will be shipped later.
I have a hard time believing it takes three times the amount of material to make the average ork as it does a human, but hey who am I to question I'm pretty bad at guesstimating mass and weight. I might actually try to weight a couple just out of curiosity.
Also to point out. Only a small percentage of the current models are actual Orks. As opposed to Goblins (substantially smaller than a lot of models) and mostly vehicles.
On another note funding has seemed to slow substantially. Kicktraq now trending half of what it did on Day 3, which isn't that strange but that is a big jump.
There isn't a lot of added value by doing this Kickstarter as people are used to. I'm going to ride it out and see where it goes, I can always hop off the train on the last day.
Three times seems like it might be a BIT high, but honestly I can buy that it's near that much.
Take ye'average guardsmen someday and plop him next to ye'average ork boy. Just at a glance, the Ork does have at least twice as much raw material put into him. One of his arms, for example, is nearly as thick as a guardsmen's torso.
EDIT: That said, I'm very excited to see the renders for tank hunters, bikers, and kommandos, and hopefully exo orcs. Those are what'd do it for me.
I'm guessing that the 'hero' figure will be a General Patton style commander, although I'm hoping for a Kaptin Amerorka.
Any hope of a bike mounted character? There seems to be a significant gap in the market there. An ork medic on a bike would give 40k players a simple solution for the lack of a bike-mounted painboy model.
Is the 'artillery' going to be a field gun (M3 howitzer, I'm guessing) or a SPG (M7 Priest, or M12 maybe)?
Will there be any alternative weapons for the half-track and the jeep? Bazookas on the jeep would probably make it a better stand in for a 40k buggy and a mortar on the half-track would just be cool.
I really like the goblins. I'd love it if you made some unarmed ones too. Medics, mechanics, vehicle crew or just hauling crates.
Do want those exo suits. I'm curious though as to what they're supposed to even out to, game terms wise. I was thinking they'd be MANZ.. But that doesn't seem to be the case just from looking at them.
I'm surprised to see how quickly this is taking off, though I have to reflect some previous worry about actually meeting the self-set deadline. Nearing 300% of funding goal and still 22 days to go.. This is really launching.
To me when the date looks too good to be true, I often think it is. The other thing of course, is when the date coincides with a break from work so I can start on them, it's always disappointing when it becomes something that arrives even "just a couple" of months late. I imagine it's much the same for people who want to run things at tourney, and even worse for those, who, say end up dropping 40k while still waiting for their models that have been delayed by a year or two to arrive...
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: As with all KS (and private pre-orders) if you absolutely have to have stuff by a deadline I'd be very wary,
but if your prepared to take a chance (or like me don't really mind if things end up running a bit behind) this looks glorious
Right, I absolutely get that. I went in on the Battle Dog and Pug tanks awhile back (for those of you who remember), and mine still haven't arrived yet. I'm not upset, nor will I be if this project is delayed a good chunk of time. I accept that when I back a KS project, and I'm not in dire need of the models come christmas anyway.
I was just echoing the earlier sentiment of the delivery dates looking very optimistic, especially when you consider how this thing is taking off. I wouldn't be surprised if it hits 500% funded at this rate, and I'm expecting the last of the stretch goals will unlock before it's half over.
Oh wow, that exosuit looks downright awesome. I'm not digging those shield things on the shoulders, but otherwise, it's pretty sweet. How big woudl that be? For that matter, how big are the mechs supposed to be?
when it comes to miniatures weight I know it is hard to believe - I made that mistake in the past and dismissed importance of source material cost when it comes to metal models. We are simply not used to dealing with densities that metals have. But that should give you a general idea:
Glad you enjoy the exosuit - it is one of my favourite design for the project .
Oh, and guys - will post the measurements soon. I'd like to make it in one go.
Have thought of switching to one of the plastic resin blends? Trollcast is supposed to be very good, and, from what I understand, it's much cheaper than metal and cheaper than resin.
What material the models are made of? They are a mixture of highest quality resin and white metal. This way we get the best of 2 worlds - finest looking miniatures and something that would withstand even harsh treatment on the tabletop. Most of the infantry units have metal bodies with resin heads and bits, while vehicles are primarily resin.
It's one of the things that makes a (potential) December ship date feasible as spin casting the bodies will not take the huge amount of time that doing the resin work will
What material the models are made of? They are a mixture of highest quality resin and white metal. This way we get the best of 2 worlds - finest looking miniatures and something that would withstand even harsh treatment on the tabletop. Most of the infantry units have metal bodies with resin heads and bits, while vehicles are primarily resin.
It's right there on the main kickstarter page.
Alright, thank'ye. That's what I thought, but I saw that stuff there and was thrown for a bit of a loop. I should've checked.. But was on my way out the door to go to work.
..... wow, and what a week it was! The sheer amount of interest and positive feedback was totally overwhelming. Glad we have come prepared and most of the assets have been ready on the start (sculpted) - some even in production. On my behalf I'm happy that I have prepared a number of templates that allow me to update the main site quickly. And mind we're showing new stuff almost every day - something that you don't see often. Renders of the sculpted items proved to be a bottleneck tough - I made some prior to campaign, but items unlock so quickly . It is tricky to catch up - mind that 5 seconds (!) of turntable animation usually takes over 5 hours of render time(!). I'm considering making much less time consuming OpenGL movies instead - but I guess I'm getting into technical details that may not interest you much . You want meat !
As mentioned this week we concentrated on vehicles and mechanic assets. With those mostly done we're moving to units - starting from Monday. What then? Hehehe - if you look at the goals tree diagram you'll notice there's a certain aspect present in every army missing. That's what's coming next (yeah, I know I'm a tease ).
Goblin Tanks = Grot Tanks
Artillery = Mek Guns
Big Truck = Battlewagon
Biped Tank = Deff Dread
Small Walkers = Killa Kans
Mobile Fortress Clankers = Gorkanaut/Morkanaut?
Special Weapons Team = Lootas/Flashgitz?
Units I don't know what they'll be used for -
Sherman
What's missing from the Ork Codex
HQ (minus special characters)-
Warboss, Weirdboy, Mek, Big Mek, Painboy
Troops -
Runtherd
Fast Attack -
SKorcha, Wartrakk
Superheavy -
Stompa
Am I pretty much right about all this stuff? It's my best guess as I don't play 40k, but these models make it sorely tempting (or use them for Warpath whenever Mantic gets that done).
I think I might be sorely disappointed if the Commandos don't look like the guys from the Dirty Dozen (the major players that is - Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, Jim Brown, John Cassavetes, Richard Jaeckel, Telly Savalas, Donald Sutherland, Clint Walker). I think that would be damn awesome to pull off!
Fenriswulf wrote: I think I might be sorely disappointed if the Commandos don't look like the guys from the Dirty Dozen (the major players that is - Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, Jim Brown, John Cassavetes, Richard Jaeckel, Telly Savalas, Donald Sutherland, Clint Walker). I think that would be damn awesome to pull off!
That would be awsome!
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Out of interest, why are the bodies to be made of metal and not resin? I thought you do the resin casting in-house as well? I am a metal fan, but not so much for multipart figures, and it will make a huge difference for shipping...
I think it's to do with being able to cast stuff in quantities fast enough (and on budget)
you can get plenty of heads/arms in a resin mould so they can afford to have lots to enable quick casting,
Orc bodies would require a larger mould (volume wise) for a single body meaning either much slower casting or higher costs as you end up with lots of big (reletivly) moulds needing frequent replacements
I'd split an order with you Azazelx, but I think by the time it got here and was split and sent to you (I am guessing you are from the Eastern States), it would likely be the same postage price anyway! Oh well. Still really conflicted about whether to go in on this or not...
New YouTube video. There's an amazing melee orc with two axes at the end.
And a render of the Artillery. There seem to be a couple of different models, both direct fire field guns. Can't place exactly what they are based on, but they look pretty cool.
I'm not in the market for a lot of orcs at the moment but if some of the bits were available separately I'd pick them up for my deadzone meets 40k marauder conversion
There seem to be several different versions of most of these models being shown. Are they meant to show off alternative designs of which we can only expect to see one actually produced, different ways of assembling the kit or entirely separate models which we will be able to choose between?
Loving the close combat orc and great to see casting has already started. I'll be upping my backing amount by at least double on the 3rd, when I get my next paycheck.
I would suggest a series of small walkers piloted by grots with possibly one ballistic weapon and one close combat weapon as my prediction. but very very pretty and in MaxMini style.
I dropped my pledge, really didn't feel like there was a point since you weren't getting anything extra from doing the KS> I don't have the funds to start a complete ork force right now so it didn't seemed worth it
I'd say the 'extra' in this one will be a lower price than we'll see at retail (assuming all of it gets there),
but if you're not feeling the project is for you dropping it is the right thing to do. KS projects you really want are stressful enough to wait for, if you're not sure you actually want what's coming it would be a lot worse
shauni55 wrote: I dropped my pledge, really didn't feel like there was a point since you weren't getting anything extra from doing the KS
I'm pretty sure that getting the models through kickstarter will be cheaper than buying them at retail prices later. Kromlech charge much more for similar figures produced under similar conditions.
shauni55 wrote: I dropped my pledge, really didn't feel like there was a point since you weren't getting anything extra from doing the KS
I'm pretty sure that getting the models through kickstarter will be cheaper than buying them at retail prices later. Kromlech charge much more for similar figures produced under similar conditions.
No I'm well aware of that. Here are my thoughts:
1)If I want an ork army I want them to be all themed the same, I don't want to be mixing these minis with GW minis
2) At the moment I don't have the funds to build a complete Ork army right now
3) If I'm not getting a full army (only $100 worth or so) why should I spend that money now if I'm no getting anything extra? as opposed save it and then get a full army all at once.
As I asked this on the KS comments place and this most likely is overlooked (as the amount of comments went fast); Will there be some KS-exclusive stuff to be had? As said in the comments section; I think having some KS -exclusive stuff would persuade people to pledge faster as well as pledge more. Furthermore it will add another reason to pledge other than the price-difference with retail.
Melee orcs preview. Nice dynamic poses, great selection of gear and some very sweet details; I love the orc with the upside-down helmet and the one with a weaponised shovel.
I think I'll use these guys as Kommandos; they look quite sneaky and have plenty of equipment on them.
I agree with thinking they'd make great kommandos (I'll probably use a couple as such), but I do have one complaint. They're -all- wielding dual hand weapons. A couple being that way would be awesome.. But then, on the flip-side, having a few with a pistol or two would also be great.
That's just a small nit to pick though. Like I said they're beautiful, and I'm definitely going in on this.
Looks like there will be some free character figures for kickstarter backers, including a goblin sniper. Concept sketch looks nice, but honestly I'm sold just on the concept.
Also, a preview of one of the commando heads. Looks good, but aren't commandos more of a British thing? Americans should have rangers and marine raiders, shouldn't they?
Another small update: video showing one of the melee orcs with a pistol and a totally crazy looking cybernetic character head.
Also, a concept sketch for another character. This one seems to be a General Patton style leader with bionic limbs and some kind of attack dog. Pretty cool.
agnosto wrote: Nice looking models but at higher than GW's astronomical per model price, there's no temptation on my part. $100 for a battlewagon? Sorry, I'll pass.
$100? The not-Battlewagon is $65, excluding postage. The not-Leman Russ (as in Sherman) is $40. How much is a Leman Russ at GW? $60ish?
A squad of 10 Orcs is $35, metal/resin combo. A ten man squad is at GW €23 so around $30ish. Maxmini is more expensive (around the $5 mark), true, but they look a million times better than the GW Orks, wouldn't you agree? And another advantage of Maxmini is that you can vote with your wallet against GW (as Maxmini makes way better looking Orcs than GW's, imho)
agnosto wrote: Nice looking models but at higher than GW's astronomical per model price, there's no temptation on my part. $100 for a battlewagon? Sorry, I'll pass.
$100? The not-Battlewagon is $65, excluding postage. The not-Leman Russ (as in Sherman) is $40. How much is a Leman Russ at GW? $60ish?
A squad of 10 Orcs is $35, metal/resin combo. A ten man squad is at GW €23 so around $30ish. Maxmini is more expensive (around the $5 mark), true, but they look a million times better than the GW Orks, wouldn't you agree? And another advantage of Maxmini is that you can vote with your wallet against GW (as Maxmini makes way better looking Orcs than GW's, imho)
As I said, they look great but the battlewagons are $65 and then $20 for shipping; so, yes, less than $100 but as close as makes GW prices look reasonable which is more than I'm willing to spend. The value just isn't there for me and the material is more a detractor than a contributor in my opinion as I simply don't have the time to mess with resin/metal hybrids.
Best of luck to them and if they ever go hard plastic, I'll certainly consider dropping some of my hobby budget their way.
agnosto wrote: As I said, they look great but the battlewagons are $65 and then $20 for shipping; so, yes, less than $100 but as close as makes GW prices look reasonable which is more than I'm willing to spend. The value just isn't there for me and the material is more a detractor than a contributor in my opinion as I simply don't have the time to mess with resin/metal hybrids.
Best of luck to them and if they ever go hard plastic, I'll certainly consider dropping some of my hobby budget their way.
No worries. I was trying to persuade you, but I can understand your point of view. As they stated elsewhere, going all-resin is not an option because the prices will skyrocket and molds won't last as long.
Personally I like to support this small company and have lot's of stuff from them so I am prolly biased and excited about this new (US) army which I can field against my Soviet Rebel Grots.
Do the pledges in your store mean I can just bypass Kickstarter completely and come just to you? Will the heroes that come at certain levels still be included if a pledge is purchased directly from you?
Love the jet packs, especially the one with its own tiny pilot - I may steal that idea for a conversion.
But the downside of such unique concepts is that you'll need to make quite a few different designs, otherwise customers have to repeat the same few designs over and over again in their armies, which looks horrible IMHO.
Or the other option is to make each from several swappable modular parts, thus vastly increasing the number of possible combinations, but that could be difficult design-wise.
Bangbangboom wrote: Do the pledges in your store mean I can just bypass Kickstarter completely and come just to you? Will the heroes that come at certain levels still be included if a pledge is purchased directly from you?
I went with buying it from them and bypassing Kickstarter. Exchange rate is a little off and for some reason I had to pay postage which brought the whole thing to about £5 over the £120. Hope I get the sneaky goblin still and maybe they will give me a few extra bullets for the £5.
Hopefully the rest of the renders won't take to long to show up and then I can choose what I want.
The last bit of solid info we got date wise was on the 18th Dec
Taking Christams and holidays into account I think that mid Feb is realistic deadline, but we'll try to speed it up.
then they checked in again on 6th Jan
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First of all - hope you had great Christmas time! And hope you'll have a great 2015.
Just wanted to let you know that we're back after the Christmas break. While some of us (like me ) checked in between Christmas and New Year to make sure our webstore orders are getting sent (also we had some urgent request for a cool trophy / statue ), the huge part of the team has taken their days off.
From tomorrow we're back to the full strenght with the batteries recharged. So stay tuned for updates !
and from the comments (again 6th Jan)
@Andrew: by tomorrow we'll be back to full strenght.
I'm cooking up some updates. But in short - we're 99% past the sculpting part ( Smacton left and some minor tweaks to exosuit chief), so it is not an issue. The only thing that slowes us down are some of the outsourced prototypes - at this moment goblin tanks are left. Infantry is in production.
Good, good. They missed me off the mailing list when they sent out the order forms and I had to chase them so I'm a little worried that I will miss out on another important email.
Any idea why this isn't in news an rumours anymore? With plenty of miniatures still to showcase it seems a little premature to move it to misc games.
Once a KS funds the threads are moved to the appropriate sub forum too keep from clogging up N&R with either 'why isn''t this done yet' or 'my stuff has arrived' posts
(with the exception of a few where there is enough genuine news from the company to keep a merged thread)
Those are some of the shooting orcs variants that did not fit the rendered unit card. On the production front - new 3d printer is up and running and the missing models I've mentioned (goblin tanks and exosuits) are being prototyped. I have to admit I'm pretty excited to have this extra piece of hardware to aid making this happen. While as most of the 3d printers it is not plug and play solution, having the option to work on 2 machines speeds the things up. And on a side note - it was also good moment to declutter the workshop . It's always surprising to see the way the same amount of stuff takes a lot less space if organized better.
Cheers OT might have to see about uping my pledge. Hopefully when all is done they will do an update with all images in it so I don't have to flick though 10+ pages to see what everything looks like.
I bought one of the 'pledges' from their site after the KS had wrapped up.
Should I be worried that they haven't contacted me with any info at all? No request to pick my stuff etc.
plastictrees wrote: I bought one of the 'pledges' from their site after the KS had wrapped up.
Should I be worried that they haven't contacted me with any info at all? No request to pick my stuff etc.
Yeah contact them plastictrees I had the same issue. After offering it as a option someone appears to have forgot to add web store pledges to the mailing list.
Guys, the plan is to start sending first packages this month. For sure not all, but I'd like to get the simplest orders done .
It won't be easy - that's sure, but we're really committed to do it and one of the reasons I have spent quite a lot of time in the modeling workshop recently.
The good news the prints that were a pain are being done on our new printers now so the biggest obstacle we've encountered so far is no more. So now we print even really big models inhouse, without a need to rely on external workshops.
As far as I can tell we still haven't seen the unit card for veterans (only heads). The biped tank and gubbinz bot are still at the sketch on the back of a napkin stage of development. Whilst the Areocycle isn't even at that stage.
But its hard to tell as we still don't have one place to easily look at everything available.
Being half a year late you would think they would be pushing hard to get the project finished and out the door but still we are going weeks without updates.
As far as I can tell we still haven't seen the unit card for veterans (only heads). The biped tank and gubbinz bot are still at the sketch on the back of a napkin stage of development. Whilst the Areocycle isn't even at that stage.
But its hard to tell as we still don't have one place to easily look at everything available.
Being half a year late you would think they would be pushing hard to get the project finished and out the door but still we are going weeks without updates.
To conclude;
So it's June, what's going on?
Well there has been updates on the Kickstarter page as and when the renders are finished and some really cool looking ones, yes the original date has lapsed (always thought it was over ambitious myself) but one thing I have learnt be patient with Kickstarters after all a well made product is way better than a rushed half assed miniature.
As far as I can tell we still haven't seen the unit card for veterans (only heads). The biped tank and gubbinz bot are still at the sketch on the back of a napkin stage of development. Whilst the Areocycle isn't even at that stage.
But its hard to tell as we still don't have one place to easily look at everything available.
Being half a year late you would think they would be pushing hard to get the project finished and out the door but still we are going weeks without updates.
To conclude;
So it's June, what's going on?
Well there has been updates on the Kickstarter page as and when the renders are finished and some really cool looking ones, yes the original date has lapsed (always thought it was over ambitious myself) but one thing I have learnt be patient with Kickstarters after all a well made product is way better than a rushed half assed miniature.
Your right there has been updates of renders as they get finished. I went though the updates last night ticking of what we had seen and that is where my list of missing units came from. I do need to add both the bikers (we've only seen the bikes) and willy crew to that. And I believe some of the little extras like bits pack and objectives. And then there are the units we have seen like the recent pyro/tankhunter update that don't show the whole unit (we have only seen 3/5 for each weapon).
Clicking backwards and forwards though updates is a pita though so I may have missed something. Its like I said we still don't have one place/page we can look at to see what is available.
I don't mind being patient but I can't comment on the KS page so I keep hoping Maxmini might respond here or at least realise that its time for an update. I never really expected them to finish in December I was just being facetious with my typo comment. It may be naive of me but I really do expect that at this late stage of the project they are making weekly progress towards completion and I would like to see updates
So yeah I lied I am being impatient but only due to lack of decent updates. But its not like I'm losing sleep over it, just mildly irritated because I want my new toys.
Lastly a quote from October 2014
"While me and Kacper are stuck in the paperwork, Kuba and Konrad are giving the remaining models some final touches"
Quietly cough into my hand whilst saying something that sound suspiciously like bollocks.
Would you f'ing adam and eve it, my pledge turned up.
Its 32 months late.
Just thought I'd say something as i purchased the "pledge" direct from maxmini and therefore can't comment on the kickstarter page. Minis look awesome, a little large maybe but nothing too crazy.
These mighty provide the motivation i need to bust my paints out again.
What time does this go live?
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good luck guys anyway and hope I have helped some towards this even though it is going to cost me my life in the end 
I'm thinking of backing it if it weren't for a couple of flaws I can't get off my head.
Chris pimps minis
