This is blizzards new IP and accordingly it looks pretty interesting
For the first time in many years, Blizzard announced a new franchise today: Overwatch, a team-based multiplayer shooter with Pixar-like graphics.
The game looks great. It's a PvP shooter with classes, very reminiscent of Team Fortress 2. Here's the cinematic trailer:
And, more importantly, here's gameplay footage from the newly-christened Overwatch, which really does look fantastic:
Here's Blizzard describing the game in a press release:
The action of Overwatch takes place in a technologically advanced, highly stylized future earth. In a time of global crisis, an international task force of soldiers, scientists, adventurers, and oddities known as Overwatch had come together to restore peace to a war-torn world. After many years, the group's influence waned, and it was eventually disbanded. Overwatch might be gone now . . . but the world still needs heroes.
With an emphasis on accessibility and pure fun, Overwatch brings Blizzard's signature easy-to-learn, hard-to-master gameplay to the FPS genre. Harnessing the power of their hero of choice, players will join forces in teams of six and battle each other across a range of futuristic global locations, from the hologram-lit streets of London to a bazaar in the shadows of a high-tech Egyptian pyramid. Every battlefield is iconic and built to highlight each character's unique abilities, and fights can shift from streets to rooftops to open skies within the span of a breath.
"Overwatch is our take on a vibrant, near-future universe with amped-up characters and action-packed team-based gameplay," saidMike Morhaime, CEO and cofounder of Blizzard Entertainment. "With every new Blizzard game, we look at our favorite aspects of a genre and put our own spin on things. Our goal with Overwatch is to create an awesome FPS experience that's more accessible to a much wider audience while delivering the action and depth that shooter fans love."
The heroes of Overwatch each bring their own distinct weapons and superabilities to bear. Here's just a glimpse of the numerous heroes that will ultimately fill Overwatch's rosters:
Tracer, a former British test pilot who shrugs at danger, can execute impossible acrobatic assaults thanks to her ability to teleport, drop energy bombs, and even reverse time. Reinhardt, a hulking German soldier in battle armor, can charge great distances and pin his enemies to a wall or slam the ground with his rocket hammer to knock them off their feet. Hanzo, a bow-wielding Japanese mercenary, has the ability to scale walls with his bare hands, fire off a tracking device that illuminates nearby enemies for his team, and unleash a huge spirit dragon that does grievous damage to all enemies in its path. Symmetra, an Indian architech, manipulates light and energy to shield her allies and damage her enemies—and she can turn the tide of any battle by building a device that instantly transports her teammates to the front lines. The beta will be out in 2015.
Overwatch is a reworked version of the PVP portions of Blizzard's Titan, the long-in-development MMO that was overhauled in mid-2013. Despite reports earlier this year that Titan had been cancelled, the game was actually turned into Overwatch last year, according to a person familiar with the project.
It looks like they've kept some of the class names—like Reaper—that we reported on last month.
Nice to see them do something a bit past the overblown "Epic" fee of their 'craft universes. Looks like a fun universe and I'm always a fan of cyborg gorillas. That said I'm so not the audience for this. I'm not a shooter guy in general and TF2 in particular bored me to death the few times I tried it. I do know folks who'd just eat this up though. <insert a joke about hats here>
Character style and "cartoon" look seems great.
FPS... um, okay... guess that remains to be seen.
Some of the acrobatics would benefit greatly from a 3rd person perspective like Jedi-Knight (maybe a skill-tree "power"?)
The funky spins in the air could make some interesting motion sickness.
I must admit that FPS could use some more characterful "classes" so this may help scratch an itch for this genre.
Programmable/macro controllers are looking like a good thing.
That and who the of the development team dreamed up such lazy and utterly mindnumbing classes?
Why is everyone here negative towards blizzard. shesh?
This is a new team and everything all of it is just hate.
Their games are extremely successful, are well known and have very, very wide appeal outside the normal "Gamer" niche - see the cultural awareness of WoW in america and Starcraft in Korea. Their products are reliable and engaging, if overly formulaic and more than a bit derivative. In other words they're as mainstream as mainstream can get. So of course it's going to get very cool to be hatin' on them.
EDIT: You might think of them as the Bud Light of gaming. It's a very popular, very consistent product. It lacks a lot of the complexity some enthusiasts are looking for, and the ubiquity of it can be grating. At the end of the day it's honestly actually an excellent product for what it is, but the visibility means it's an easy and fun target.
Animated element looks good but has me wondering what the heck the game play will be like as there's no way any of that will convey into one of their typical games.
There's a lot of elements that remind me very strongly of AT-43 and Infinity.
paulson games wrote: Animated element looks good but has me wondering what the heck the game play will be like as there's no way any of that will convey into one of their typical games.
There's a lot of elements that remind me very strongly of AT-43 and Infinity.
Check the article. They have a video showing off the gameplay.
I'm not sure how anything can look "Infinity" infinity is so wholly and proudly derivative of other works it hardly has a unique look. The only way I can see anyone making that connection is if they're only familiar with infinity and not all familiar with any of the things infinity draws it's inspiration from.
Aye.. suggesting Corvus Belli needs to take a look at this, is quite absurd considering how much anime they have ransacked for their style.
Oh and yes, I am a fan of Blizzard, but I am also a Infinity fan, and its most likely they have both just been inspired by the same Japanese sources that have inspired countless table top games, RPG's and video games over the years. I believe there is quite a back log of it out there.
Regarding the game, not my style, but I do like the fact it would seem each class adds something to their role in the shooter, and from those trying it out at Blizzcon, that seems to be the prevailing praise, the fact each class feels like a different take on the genre.
Much like Hearthstone, I see this doing very well, unlike Hearthstone I won't be having anything to do with it.
It does look like Infinity, but so what? At the end of the day, everyone knows Blizz nick stuff, at least they are obvious with it. They clearly nicked off GW to make all their gak, but at least its honest open thievery, because both CB and GW obviously pinch other IP to develop their own right?
Hence I dont see an issue.
Regards the game, it looks decent because I like TF, but I really dislike Disneys cartoony style, and this is more of the same. I have always preferred more realistic looking shooters like COD over this Toy Story looking stuff.
Furthermore, does anyone know a single British woman who speaks like that in real life? I went out with an actual Essex bird once and she still didn't have as aggressive an accent.
Personally, I like the art style much better than the current aesthetic with a lot of modern shooters that try to create hyper realistic environments with only two colours grey and brown.
I'm pretty ambivalent on the release, I liked the trailer but the gameplay itself seems a bit lacklustre, I'll reserve further judgement once I see more of the actual game modes.
We'll see how it ends up. Presumably beta announcements and invites will go out within the next year, and word will get around pretty quickly once that happens.
Also...
The oblivious security guard playing Hearthstone was a nice touch...
Chongara wrote: Nice to see them do something a bit past the overblown "Epic" fee of their 'craft universes. Looks like a fun universe and I'm always a fan of cyborg gorillas. That said I'm so not the audience for this. I'm not a shooter guy in general and TF2 in particular bored me to death the few times I tried it. I do know folks who'd just eat this up though. <insert a joke about hats here>
Blizzard now makes very unoriginal, but well-crafted games - and I don't see anything wrong with it. While I hate Hearthstone, my wife has spent more than 300$ or 400$ on it as of now as she absolutely loves it.
HotS looks nice, but since you need a full team to work properly, we'll most likely skip it. A casual multiplayer FPS? Sure, why not.
Sigvatr wrote: my wife has spent more than 300$ or 400$ on [Hearthstone]
I..what...how...what...
You gotta pay each time you want to play Arena and if you don't have enough spare gold, then you gotta pay in cash. She HATES constructed with a passion as she got really bored with seeing the same decks over and over again and it basically boiling down to "Who draws his lucky combo first?".
1) It's been well realized that Blizzard can craft awesome cinematics to accompany so-so gameplay. The trailer was awesome, but that's par for the course.
2) Part of what made TF2 so successful was it's simplicity (At least right off the bat) and it's Rock-Paper-Scissors gameplay. That's why a lot of it's clones fail.
3) The characters look pretty cool with the exception of that Zen Master Robot, he just looks kinda stupid. Also, Hanzo? Gonna include a black guy named Tyrese next?
4) Trailer is heavily implying that it's split between two teams, hopefully not the case and I doubt it will be.
If it's free I'll definitely give it a whirl, but I make no promises.
It reminds me - in terms of style, character roster but not game play - of Super Monday Night Combat.
Not that SMNC was entirely original but a very similar vibe.
I like the feel of the trailer and what is presumably early game footage.
I've signed up for the beta as I am interested in what Blizzard can bring to this genre with their usual 'grab ideas and polish'.
I was a bit let down by the vanilla D3 and looking forward to playing Heroes of the Storm as I think they have made it a bit more approachable.
Thankfully unlike SMNC Blizzard doesn't tend to abandon it's games at the drop of a hat, so I hope this new IP will blossom, It actually looks pretty cool.
Yes this game looks like infinity and I'm unsure why others are trying to defend that? Infinity looks great, so looking a bit like it is a good thing right?
And yes I can say something looks bad even if I haven't played it, it's called experience, I have been burnt by fire, but not not the flame sitting in front of me, so of course I couldn't possibly say it's going to burn me, it's not the same fire right?
Crap analogy aside, this game doesn't appeal to me as I don't like things like call of duty or other twitchy unrealistic shooters, and that's fine, it's not aimed at me.
I like the aesthetics. I'm doubtful about the gameplay. I'm not expecting the scope of a game like ARMA, but six-per-side, objective based maps make me think it will be too claustrophobic for my liking.
I have a hard time going back to arena shooters after Planetside or even Tribes. I mean, it's great pulling off some cool teleporting move.... but hitting an enemy position with a sixty strong column of armored vehicles is... transcendentally better.
Dear good, and I thought the voice actor for Seras Victoria in Hellsing's English dub was bad. Is that accent real? I honestly can't tell. It's like it's trapped in some kind of uncanny valley for accents
For me, the animation is a tad too "cheeky, cheery", as Alan Moore puts it. Maybe I'm just too used to the grim-dark gritty settings for games. But at least they're making an attempt to go the opposite direction of "gunmetal grey and dogs*** brown" (Yahtzee).
Dr. Temujin wrote: For me, the animation is a tad too "cheeky, cheery", as Alan Moore puts it. Maybe I'm just too used to the grim-dark gritty settings for games. But at least they're making an attempt to go the opposite direction of "gunmetal grey and dogs*** brown" (Yahtzee).
Hell yes. It's like TF2. TF2 are guys with guns blowing each other but it's hilarious. It's colorful, it's fun, it's NOT GREY AND BROWN! \o/
Dr. Temujin wrote: For me, the animation is a tad too "cheeky, cheery", as Alan Moore puts it. Maybe I'm just too used to the grim-dark gritty settings for games. But at least they're making an attempt to go the opposite direction of "gunmetal grey and dogs*** brown" (Yahtzee).
Hell yes. It'sl ike TF2.
Well, aside from being unfocused and scatterbrained anyway, unlike TF2's designs, which are carefully tailored.
Dr. Temujin wrote: For me, the animation is a tad too "cheeky, cheery", as Alan Moore puts it. Maybe I'm just too used to the grim-dark gritty settings for games. But at least they're making an attempt to go the opposite direction of "gunmetal grey and dogs*** brown" (Yahtzee).
Hell yes. It'sl ike TF2.
Well, aside from being unfocused and scatterbrained anyway, unlike TF2's designs, which are carefully tailored.
Have you been to Egypt recently? Because definitely, Pharah's armor is referencing Ancient Egypt far more than modern Egypt.
They wanted to include an Arab but could not find a non-offensive Arab stereotype/archetype, so they settled for the closest they could find, and that was ancient Egypt .
Unique characters, each with what appears to be completely different playstyles, and a stereotypical reaper character with what seems like shotgun pistols.
Yes, I'm very interested, but I don't get excited for games anymore. I blame d3
Necroshea wrote: Unique characters, each with what appears to be completely different playstyles, and a stereotypical reaper character with what seems like shotgun pistols.
Yes, I'm very interested, but I don't get excited for games anymore. I blame d3
Okay mate lets talk about D3 for a quick second here.
The reason why that game did not do well. Is because of the amount of hype beyond the game. See I had no hype to the game, I knew it was going to live up to the expectations of anyone. Does it now. Yes. It is thirty times better than the old diablo 3.
I have spent over four hundred hours, playing diablo 3. That is more than minecraft, and terraria hours I have played. COMBINED.
I got more than my moneys worth when I bought diablo 3.
I have no doubt that blizzard will be able to polish Overwatch to such a degree that will make it's own unique flavor.
I think it is a compliment if you say it looks like team fortress 2 as that is a great game. But it is pretty darn old. Valve has held that game in a chokehold for years.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Not enough hats, concerned for if it's going to be any good at this rate
Not enough maps, and the maps are only two variations on a single theme: Team A stands here, then here; Team B stops them standing there.
Hows it supposed to day it took inspiration from TF2 if it doesn't have hats? (and, yes, it definitely takes cues from TF2, the dwarf pretty much being the engineer minus the Texan accent for example.)
Not that taking cues from TF2 is a bad thing, quite the opposite. I love TF2, and anything that can force competition with it and make Valve step up their game is good in my book.
Only thing I'm worried about are that several of the characters have abilities that appear to just be "press button, kill everything in the room" super moves. That would just majorly kill my fun.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Not enough hats, concerned for if it's going to be any good at this rate
Not enough maps, and the maps are only two variations on a single theme: Team A stands here, then here; Team B stops them standing there.
Hows it supposed to day it took inspiration from TF2 if it doesn't have hats? (and, yes, it definitely takes cues from TF2, the dwarf pretty much being the engineer minus the Texan accent for example.)
Not that taking cues from TF2 is a bad thing, quite the opposite. I love TF2, and anything that can force competition with it and make Valve step up their game is good in my book.
Only thing I'm worried about are that several of the characters have abilities that appear to just be "press button, kill everything in the room" super moves. That would just majorly kill my fun.
Ultimate abilities in any game like DOTA are there to present another a challenge I.E. Disallowing the players who are winning to keep winning it is basically to allow for players who have not played the game as much to at least stand a chance. Using proper timing and proper team work you can avoid these Ultimates.
It will be upon you to ADAPT to the situation not blizzard. It will be your fault if you get hit by the ultimate as there is a casting and a cooldown for all ultimate abilities. They are represented visually.
We don't know how many maps or what gametypes they will have we have only seen a few so I have reserved my commentary until I have sat down and played the game. But I know someone who has. And they loved it. (They love TF2, but they said Overwatch was much better, and more refined.)
I did it a bunch of time already. If you lend it to people in the same country, easy. Back when Heroes of the Storm was in beta (or alpha?) I lend my account to Sigvatr, it was a bit more complex iirc but it worked out fine.
Have you been to Egypt recently? Because definitely, Pharah's armor is referencing Ancient Egypt far more than modern Egypt.
They wanted to include an Arab but could not find a non-offensive Arab stereotype/archetype, so they settled for the closest they could find, and that was ancient Egypt .
I'll be honest, I'd laugh my ass off and would totally try it out if they made an arab character who was an explosive expert and whose main ability is to run up to people and explode while screaming "jet fuel can't melt steel beams". It wouldn't be far off from using a jihad bomb in Trouble in Terrorist Town.
Grimskul wrote: I'll be honest, I'd laugh my ass off and would totally try it out if they made an arab character who was an explosive expert and whose main ability is to run up to people and explode while screaming "jet fuel can't melt steel beams".
I am pretty sure that this is something mostly done by westerners…
And that would be in quite bad taste, honestly.
So. I just played a ton of this during the Beta Weekend stress test and wow. This is certainly a blizzard game to a T. Does nothing really new but does it in a refined and enjoyable way. I'm not normally an FPS guy it's probably my least favorite kind of game but it had me hooked. First impressions were not great, but that may have been just the matchmaker needing to learn what a terrible scrub I am and putting me up against similar fifthly casuals. Stapling MOBA style character kits onto a TF2-style game is a winning formula. I can't say I've enjoyed a shooter as much ever and the last one to come close might have been Unreal 2004. It really hits its stride once you find a stable of characters you can gel with.
While I groaned at least a little bit getting yanked away from my favorite, when conditions conspired to make playing Mercy a bad call I still enjoyed the hell out of D. VA, Lucio, Bastion and Mei. I could even get behind Soldier 76 in a real pinch.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I got a beta access and I can just lend my Battle.net account to people eager to try it. If anyone is interested, shot me a message .
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If this offer is still good, I don't wanna go cold turkey off this thing.
Cheesecat wrote: How can you say this game is unoriginal but then talk about mixing MOBA style elements with FPS, isn't that treading fairly new ground?
Certainly the mixture of cooldowns & ultimate abilities being used specifically in an FPS is a new mix. However all of the core game play mechanics and game modes have been created and refined elsewhere. There isn't really any one thing you can point to in the game and go "First time I've seen that". I mean it's hardly the first game to put class based abilities in an FPS. You could have pointed at those and pitched over watch as: "Hey. What if we gave everyone like 2 or 3 of them and one a long cooldown and you can't switch any of it around? It works for MOBAs".
You could fairly chalk it up as a bit of innovation I guess, but not invention. It also doesn't feel very new, the elements come together to form something that doesn't give any moment-to-moment game play experiences I don't feel like I've had somewhere before. Though maybe that is just a credit to the polish, making a new mix feel intuitive.
All that said "Does nothing really new" is not really intended as criticism. I don't really demand or even find value in revolutionary mechanics for their own sake. You're talking to a guy who has enjoyed the hell out of almost every game in the Megaman series a 20 year string of glorified expansion packs. I'd rather have an well polished and paced experience in well-trodden design grounds than a messy and partially realized one with big ideas.
Overwatch is a solid game in my opinion. I'd like to be playing it right now! The fact it feels like "Really good class-based FPS" instead of "Really good something we'll need some new terminology to define" doesn't diminish that statement in the least. I only really brought up the whole "new things" angle because I know this forum has Blizzard fans and Blizzard haters and it's a way to say "Hey, Blizzard fans more of what they do well here" and "Hey, Blizzard haters nothing here that's gonna change your mind".
Dota 2 and League of Legends have a lot of success, Blizzard releases Heroes of the Storm (already forgotten).
TF2 has a lot of success, Blizzard releases OverWatch.
I wonder if OverWatch has hats.
Kinda like -
Dune 2 is successful. Blizzard releases Warcraft.
Everquest and Final Fantasy XI (and some other MMORPGs, though those two were the big ones at the time, iirc; I think UO was already fading by then) are incredibly successful. Blizzard releases World of Warcraft.
I don't actually know whether or not Blizzard started work on Warcraft before Dune 2 was released. But WoW was definitely made to cash in on the MMORPG wave.
Guess I did forget Diablo, which is a graphically improved version of the classic Rogue.
It's what Blizzard does. It's what they've always done. And they've been very successful doing that.
Difference with a MOBA: the camera view, the creeps/lanes, the experience, the gold, the builds (be it attributing skill points, or buying item, or all that), the way the ultimate work, the objective of the game not being symmetrical, ….
Difference with TF2: Active abilities instead of more than 1 weapon, no hats.
I assume that the game won't include cross-platform servers? There's no FAQ on the site, so I couldn't check. But that's generally the case when an FPS is available on multiple platforms.
Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm could potentially have a very weird synergy. Heroes of the Storm uses a disparate mix of characters from other Blizzard games. Overwatch is basically built around the idea of using a disparate mix of characters to play the game. Tracer will be added to HotS when Overwatch goes live (her HotS version is a pre-order bonus). And I'm sure that a lot of Overwatch characters will be following her over to HotS. If Blizzard adds more characters to Overwatch after release, then they could potentially be ported over to HotS quite rapidly.
kb305 wrote: This looks like a boring stupid waste of time. I guess the 12 year old call of duty players will enjoy it...
Too bad they didn't make a Diablo 3 that doesn't suck instead
Probably not, this would probably have more appeal with TF2 and MOBA players, also I don't know how you can say mixing first person shooters with MOBA 's is a boring concept at least they're trying something different.
Cheesecat wrote: also I don't know how you can say mixing first person shooters with MOBA 's is a boring concept at least they're trying something different.
Do you mean mixing TF2 with moar TF2? Because I see nothing coming from MOBA, everything was already there from TF2, and TF2 was before MOBA became that popular…
No creeps, no gold, no XP, no different lanes to push, no towers/crux just characters that are different from each other and hopefully complimentary… like in TF2 . Maybe even TF1?
No, but much like HotS (and unlike shooters like TF2) the characters do not simply use 3 weapons each. They use 3ish abilities + one ultimate each, and how is that not like a MOBA?
It's not a MOBA trait, such a system has long been introduced by other games, mostly by MMOs, i.e. Guild Wars that limited the number of active skills to...uh...8 iirc with 1 or 2 "major" skills.
I mean...come on. People claiming it to be a MOBA are beyond grasping for straws. It's a casual multiplayer FPS. Deal with it.
Ashiraya wrote: No, but much like HotS (and unlike shooters like TF2) the characters do not simply use 3 weapons each. They use 3ish abilities + one ultimate each, and how is that not like a MOBA?
Do you know where the “3 normal abilities and one ultimate ability” come from? Warcraft 3. So I guess it's 99% TF2, 1% Warcraft 3 ^^.
(TF2 spy can become invisible and can impersonate another character. TF2 Medic can, well, heal. TF2 Engineer can put teleporters and auto-turrets. Seems more into “abilities” than just weapons).
Ashiraya wrote: No, but much like HotS (and unlike shooters like TF2) the characters do not simply use 3 weapons each. They use 3ish abilities + one ultimate each, and how is that not like a MOBA?
Do you know where the “3 normal abilities and one ultimate ability” come from? Warcraft 3.
And DOTA, the first major MOBA, was created by converting Warcraft 3.
I think it's very fair to say the 3 Abilities + Ultimate is a mechanical setup that is primarily associated is the MOBA genre. Regardless of the origins that setup is definitely "Owned" and defined in terms of the MOBA now.
The setup does do something to the pacing & feel of individual team fights. You have to do more tracking of what's up or down on your opponents, there are bigger swing moments and your teammates feel like a somewhat larger factor in your personal play decisions. These are all factors that can even lacking the other elements (towers, minions, builds etc..) can definitely inject some of that MOBA feel into things.
I'd agree it feels more like TF2 than something like Heroes of the Storm. That said, I'd say it feels more similar to something like Heroes of the Storm than it does other shooters such as Counter Strike and I wouldn't say that about TF2.
EDIT: It seems like they're going all-out with marketing for this game. Turns the game has trailer running before the new Star Wars film, at least in many US theaters. Given the audience that film has that's some pretty huge exposure. Wonder how much that little slot set them back I can't imagine ads in front of Star Wars come cheap.
Blizzard taking clear aim at the 7-12 little Timmy crowd with this stupid game.
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Sigvatr wrote: Blizzard now makes very unoriginal, but well-crafted games - and I don't see anything wrong with it. While I hate Hearthstone, my wife has spent more than 300$ or 400$ on it as of now as she absolutely loves it.
HotS looks nice, but since you need a full team to work properly, we'll most likely skip it. A casual multiplayer FPS? Sure, why not.
Are you balling? I think I would have a fit if my wife did that.
I got to rank 2 playing aggro paladin. Haven't spent a penny on it. The game is trashy and not really worth any money, 90% of the cards are not playable. I bought Naxx with gold only to get Avenge to piss everyone off with secret paladin.
Tell your wife that It only takes a couple weeks to save up gold. LOL.
It is a pretty good game for passing time on the Cell phone, that is about the only positive thing I can say about it.
Blizzard taking clear aim at the 7-12 little Timmy crowd with this stupid game.
What's wrong with having a cartoony aesthetic? Also what's wrong with designing games for kids, I mean Mario is one of the best platformer series out there and it's marketed towards kids. I don't see how either of those qualities makes things stupid, your arguments don't seem very well
Blizzard taking clear aim at the 7-12 little Timmy crowd with this stupid game.
What's wrong with having a cartoony aesthetic? Also what's wrong with designing games for kids, I mean Mario is one of the best platformer series out there and it's marketed towards kids. I don't see how either of those qualities makes things stupid, your arguments don't seem to have any
rational thoughts behind them.
It's an anime aesthetic.
There's nothing inherently wrong with it. For me personally I hate the casualization and dumbing down that it brings. You like dumb watered down toddler games I guess. That's OK.
And it's very disappointing that the creators of great more mature themed games like diablo 1 and 2 are now making little timmy trash like this.
There's nothing inherently wrong with it. For me personally I hate the casualization and dumbing down that it brings. You like dumb watered down toddler games I guess. That's OK.
And it's very disappointing that the creators of great more mature themed games like diablo 1 and 2 are now making little timmy trash like this.
So pretend that you're just pointing out aesthetic decisions that you don't like, and then claim that anyone who likes the game is a toddler. Yeah...
And btw, the team that made Diablo was Blizzard North. They left for Flagship Studios and developed their own game - "Hellgate London".
There's nothing inherently wrong with it. For me personally I hate the casualization and dumbing down that it brings. You like dumb watered down toddler games I guess. That's OK.
And it's very disappointing that the creators of great more mature themed games like diablo 1 and 2 are now making little timmy trash like this.
So pretend that you're just pointing out aesthetic decisions that you don't like, and then claim that anyone who likes the game is a toddler. Yeah...
And btw, the team that made Diablo was Blizzard North. They left for Flagship Studios and developed their own game - "Hellgate London".
Flagship Studios doesn't exist anymore.
It will be interesting to see what people on metacritic have to say about it when it comes out.
I've seen some gameplay footage-it looks like a braindead Timmy game to me. Their little Disney Pixar trailer and lack of blood is reinforcing that.
Yes, we get it. You don't like it. And you think anyone who might even conceive of liking the game is a brain-dead idiot who couldn't figure out how to properly travel down a one-way street. Kinda like how I think that Diablo II is one of the most boring, tedious, monotonous games ever, and don't understand how people were able to get through all five acts.
The difference is that I don't obsessively post about Diablo II. Nor do I blatantly insult the people who liked the game.
Eumerin wrote: Yes, we get it. You don't like it. And you think anyone who might even conceive of liking the game is a brain-dead idiot who couldn't figure out how to properly travel down a one-way street. Kinda like how I think that Diablo II is one of the most boring, tedious, monotonous games ever, and don't understand how people were able to get through all five acts.
The difference is that I don't obsessively post about Diablo II. Nor do I blatantly insult the people who liked the game.
Don't forget, he's also a great Hearthstone player
Eumerin wrote: Yes, we get it. You don't like it. And you think anyone who might even conceive of liking the game is a brain-dead idiot who couldn't figure out how to properly travel down a one-way street. Kinda like how I think that Diablo II is one of the most boring, tedious, monotonous games ever, and don't understand how people were able to get through all five acts.
The difference is that I don't obsessively post about Diablo II. Nor do I blatantly insult the people who liked the game.
Don't forget, he's also a great Hearthstone player
Its hard to believe someone could spend 400 on that stupid game.
Eumerin wrote: Yes, we get it. You don't like it. And you think anyone who might even conceive of liking the game is a brain-dead idiot who couldn't figure out how to properly travel down a one-way street. Kinda like how I think that Diablo II is one of the most boring, tedious, monotonous games ever, and don't understand how people were able to get through all five acts.
The difference is that I don't obsessively post about Diablo II. Nor do I blatantly insult the people who liked the game.
Don't forget, he's also a great Hearthstone player
Its hard to believe someone could spend 400 on that stupid game.
Money only has value to the degree to which it allows you to enrich your life. If the food's bought, the mortgage is paid and your savings are on track that $400 is nothing but number sitting in the "Discretionary Spending" part of your budget. Some hearthstone cards, a fancy dinner, or a bunch of silly outfits for your dog might just bring you some measurement of enjoyment.
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I can understand if you don't want to spend money on overwatch or hearthstone, they don't fit your tastes after all. You'd want to spend money on things you enjoy. To that end I'll make you an offer:
Give me $400 and I'll produce you some images of an erect penis, dual-wielding axes, ejaculating acid-blood to melt some kittens as it shouts profanity with tons of flaming skulls (rotating of course), in the background. I'm sure the fix of "Mature' content will do you some real good.
EDIT(AGAIN): For another $50 I'll add big bouncing titties.
I almost want to spend the 400$ just to see you try now. Almost . Edit: Damn. 450$. Damn you, you money-grubbing uncle Scrooge. Can't you do some discount for Christmas?
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I almost want to spend the 400$ just to see you try now. Almost .
Edit: Damn. 450$. Damn you, you money-grubbing uncle Scrooge. Can't you do some discount for Christmas?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I got into the Overwatch beta! As I love Pandaren and love Frost you can guess which hero I am spamming. I sucked hard at first but as time passes I notice that I start sucking less and I love love love it!
I did this a bunch of time already. Sigvatr tried Heroes of the Storm a bunch of time on my account, and I let a bunch of people try Overwatch too.
Blizzard detect the IP change, but connecting from a new place is not against the rule. They just increase security and ask extra questions before allowing to connect.
I'm unsure how I went so long being unaware this existed. But now I've seen it, I'm a happy bunny.
Seems like a good gap filler for the void City of Heroes left in my heart.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: I did this a bunch of time already. Sigvatr tried Heroes of the Storm a bunch of time on my account, and I let a bunch of people try Overwatch too.
Blizzard detect the IP change, but connecting from a new place is not against the rule. They just increase security and ask extra questions before allowing to connect.
Fair enough!
Also, hot damn, looks like Mei isn't what I am destined for after all. O.o Tried another hero.
Having played it, Overwatch was one of those games I enjoyed so much that I could stop talking about it for its design and aesthetic choice. Its a unique choice in this super realistic and terrible cartoon colors.
That and all the customization you can do in the game is enough for me to want to preorder it. Hilariously I have only preordered CD PROJECT Red games and Blizzard games because I know the quality and price pint will always be on point.
I personally love Genji, Tracer, Bastion, and The Big Colossal guy with the hammer.
Its choices of having so that you can change your hero on the fly just makes it so pleasing and so interesting.
So... Open Beta starts on the 5th.. Anyone else gonna play? I'm planning to try it on my Xbox.
A little bummed that it's on online deathmatch game only, and there's no single player campaign.. So it'll have to be super awesome to get me to buy it. Feel like I got burned on Battlefront and Rainbow 6 Siege, cuz I didn't bother reading that they were multiplayer only when I bought them. Online shooters get real old for me real fast, probably because I suck so bad.
But.. beta is free so at least I can try before I buy
Basically everyone I know has pre-ordered this thing, including folks aren't normally blizzard fans. Even my buddy who normally has stance of not touching anything that isn't F2P or on sale for 75% off has already pre-ordered it.
Yeah I’m seeing commercials all over the place. I think I might have seen a couple here and there for Diablo, but that’s about it. Guess they’re really pushing this one, but sometimes that makes me worry since overhyped games and movies usually end up sucking. So I’ll preorder if I like the beta. Glad they’re giving us a chance to try it first… wish more games would be like that.
This game holds very little interest to me. I did like the trailer and appreciate the artistic skill that went into it as well as the aesthetic. What I don't like are the stripperific costumes with the spandex pants rammed up the behind.
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And then there was the Tracer win pose.
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Now, granted, it's not as gratuitous as the bikini armor for WoW, especially the Dragon Aspects and Sylvanas (not to mention Blizzard's passive endorsement of the half-naked cosplayers that constantly parade around their stage), but still...FFS...do we really need to see catsuit's up the ass and ultimate cleavage? It's 2016 FFS...when we still stop reducing female characters to sex symbols?
Now, granted, it's not as gratuitous as the bikini armor for WoW, especially the Dragon Aspects and Sylvanas (not to mention Blizzard's passive endorsement of the half-naked cosplayers that constantly parade around their stage), but still...FFS...do we really need to see catsuit's up the ass and ultimate cleavage? It's 2016 FFS...when we still stop reducing female characters to sex symbols?
My post history should show I'm usually one the first people to get annoyed at this kind of stuff and Blizzard has far from the world's best track record with this stuff. I'm no fan-boy of blizzard when it comes to their character designs, heck this is the company that gave us Kerrigan with her feet literally morphed into bio high heels.
That said the game honestly has a healthy variety of designs. Do we need a super cleavage sniper? Probably not. Does the super cleavage sniper exist in a context with lots of alternatives and a variety of designs? Yes. I mean you're kind of cherry picking here. Certainly window maker is a character in the game, but so are Pharah, Mei & Zarya. You could do far worse than Overwatch's and more games do than don't.
Overwatch is offering one of the more diverse sets of female character designs in a recent big studio release. While it's less than maybe what I'd call ideal but on this I think the team is owed some credit. I mean any game garners the hate of the mouthbreathing "<three letter acronym that always causes trouble on dakka>'s are ruining everything" neckbeard crowd must be doing at least some things right.
Oh, yeah it's certainly a big improvement...but still...it's far from enough. Look at this way, it would have taken less effort as far as textures and models go to NOT have the catsuits crammed up the butts. Someone actually took the time to model and texture it that way. Who the feth, outside of Tesnexus's god awful community, bothers with that crap? I haven't looked at enough gameplay videos, but for all I know the breasts and butts bounce as well...
It's just such a WTF to me that I can't even fathom why anyone would do that. The whole issue extends far beyond gaming culture and just humanity in general. Are we (males) really so obsessed with sexuality as a species that we absolutely have to make to sexualize women in every context? It just so happens video gaming and anime happen to be two of the worst offenders in that regard. Now, women are from blameless in this...you have to take accountability for your actions...parading around as nude glamour model, half naked cosplayer, pornstar, instagram "model", etc for money, attention, and fame is almost as sad as being the guy that supports that filth.
Edit: Yes, I am fully aware of the irony of me having a shirtless selfie as my avatar.
And some people are making a fuss about litteraly anything. Because a whiny minority that doesn't like a small thing in a game doesn't mean they should alter it just for them. I know almost no woman that would have a single problem with the outfits or Tracer's old pose. Infact they liked it. And if you don't like it take one of the other female characters.
Thankfully the aesthetics are great and the gameplay is a lot of fun, especially with friends.
trexmeyer wrote: Oh, yeah it's certainly a big improvement...but still...it's far from enough. Look at this way, it would have taken less effort as far as textures and models go to NOT have the catsuits crammed up the butts. Someone actually took the time to model and texture it that way. Who the feth, outside of Tesnexus's god awful community, bothers with that crap? I haven't looked at enough gameplay videos, but for all I know the breasts and butts bounce as well...
The game has no jiggle physics to speak of if that is what you mean.
It's just such a WTF to me that I can't even fathom why anyone would do that. The whole issue extends far beyond gaming culture and just humanity in general. Are we (males) really so obsessed with sexuality as a species that we absolutely have to make to sexualize women in every context? It just so happens video gaming and anime happen to be two of the worst offenders in that regard. Now, women are from blameless in this...you have to take accountability for your actions...parading around as nude glamour model, half naked cosplayer, pornstar, instagram "model", etc for money, attention, and fame is almost as sad as being the guy that supports that filth.
Do you get how patronizing and really quite condensing this post is? There isn't anything "Sad" about showing tits if you want to show tits be it for money, attention or just the plain old lulz. Sexuality isn't "Filth". Media & Games do have problems with over sexualization and sexualizaton in odd places but that's hardly the same as every bit of sex appeal out there being somehow bad.
Edit: Yes, I am fully aware of the irony of me having a shirtless selfie as my avatar.
Eumerin wrote: And of course the half-shirtless Hanzo is *completely* different.
Because there is no historical precedent for a bare-armed archer. In anything. Ever.
Also, since when has male cleavage at any point been comparable to female cleavage from a sexual standpoint? Last time I checked a woman can sue if you touch her chest. Can a man do the same? Nope. I'd go as far as to bet the majority of people that actually get hot and bothered over a shirtless male are in fact homosexual men.
Eumerin wrote: And of course the half-shirtless Hanzo is *completely* different.
Because there is no historical precedent for a bare-armed archer. In anything. Ever.
Also, since when has male cleavage at any point been comparable to female cleavage from a sexual standpoint? Last time I checked a woman can sue if you touch her chest. Can a man do the same? Nope. I'd go as far as to bet the majority of people that actually get hot and bothered over a shirtless male are in fact homosexual men.
/rolleyes
Depends on how the woman touches the man. If a woman walks up to a shirtless guy and starts running her hands through his chest hair, then yes, there's grounds for a suit.
And the ladies *love* fit guys without shirts (Roadhog need not apply). Every last one of my female friends that I've quizzed on the subject (and I started quizzing when one of them brought it up to begin with) thinks that the perfect Marvel movie would consist of Chris Hemsworth (Thor) and Chris Evans (Capt. America) shirtless for the length of the movie.
thenoobbomb wrote: Please don't tell me you unironically think it's sexist to display a woman looking behind her because she's not fat or wearing a hijab
Nothing wrong with Widowmaker either.
They both literally have their respective bodysuits rammed so far up the crack of their butt that you can see the full details of their anatomy. How is that okay? How is it okay for Widowmaker's breasts to just casually be hanging out?
thenoobbomb wrote: Please don't tell me you unironically think it's sexist to display a woman looking behind her because she's not fat or wearing a hijab
Nothing wrong with Widowmaker either.
They both literally have their respective bodysuits rammed so far up the crack of their butt that you can see the full details of their anatomy. How is that okay? How is it okay for Widowmaker's breasts to just casually be hanging out?
I actually think that fits in even better in the modern day, the tight pants at least. I don't know what kind of environment you work in, but where I work there are at least a dozen women in my building that wear skin tight yoga pants EVERY SINGLE DAY. Why would female video game characters dress more conservatively then the women we see in our every day lives?
I'm assuming you can level up and learn new abilities or get new weapons like other games? Did they say if they are going to wipe everything after the beta? Or can you keep what you unlock so you'll have a head start in the final game?
Necros wrote: I'm assuming you can level up and learn new abilities or get new weapons like other games? Did they say if they are going to wipe everything after the beta? Or can you keep what you unlock so you'll have a head start in the final game?
I believe everything will be wiped about the beta.
From the start of the game, you've unlocked all heroes and everything they can do - you can, however, earn XP and level up. Every time you level up you get a "loot box" (or something along those lines), which contains random voice lines, skins, sprays, victory poses, and so forth.
Cool .. so when the game starts to you pick your character, or can you always play your favorite one?
One thing that really annoyed me in Rainbow 6 Siege was if you have a favorite that you leveled up a bit and you want to play, you can't play them if someone else in the game pics them first.
Necros wrote: Cool .. so when the game starts to you pick your character, or can you always play your favorite one?
One thing that really annoyed me in Rainbow 6 Siege was if you have a favorite that you leveled up a bit and you want to play, you can't play them if someone else in the game pics them first.
You can pick whoever you want, but the game will recommend you pick one from a certain "type" if your team doesn't have any, for instance. ie, "No support in team yet"
How good is it, its fething awesome. So reminiscent of Timesplitters in the over the top madcap joy its beyond belief.
Lost three hours on it tonight, and my boys love it as well, silly little things like the play of the match, which I've had more times than I'd expect, and my boys had it six or seven times in a row earlier when they where taking turns with Bastion who they both now think is the best shooter character ever.
The extra skin unlocks, voices, loads of little touches to have a slightly different take on the character to other players, I can't see how its not going to be a blast once live.
Although I'm half expecting to see Reaper kill squads by the end of the beta.
My wife wanted to have a look and 'accidentally' played for almost 4 hours last night. It is so very easy to just keep playing. Just one more match....
I caved and preordered. Pretty fun so far, there was one kind of annoying match, I think the map was in nepal or something like that. We had to capture an area, and the other team just played these turret guys and camped in the corers and picked everyone off so easy, it just got kinda pointless toward the end.
I've been playing Bastion I think, flying around tossing rockets everywhere
The best counter to Bastion (the turret bot) is Genji or Reaper. It's stupidly easy to flank with Reaper and Bastion takes triple damage from hits to his rear core (the glowing blue thing in turret mode). Or have Genji take lead with his blade reflect and watch Bastion literally destroy himself. Tracer can also be very hard for Bastion to track up close. Mei's ice wall will also get you through a gap as with Reinhart's shield. And there's always Hanzo's heroic.
If you're flying around shooting rockets you're playing Pharah. She's also excellent for getting the drop on a camping Bastion.
Yeah, I meant Pariah.. and I use Bastion too, his tank mode is fun. And that map I meant was the temple of anubis I think.. you capture the objective areas, but the last one is right next to the other teams spawn point and they can easily run right back and keep stay on it. Seems like the only way to win on that board is to be on the team that gets to defend.
Yeah there's a nasty middle path on that one. You can flank right and get up close but you run the risk of hitting them as they come out of spawn. There's also a left flank and if you have Pharah, Genji, Hanzo (maybe, might need Mei's assistance), Reaper or Widowmaker you can actually flank all the way to the objective.
I'm still learning the maps but there's a ton of little nooks and paths for the more mobile characters to go.
On one hand, I kinda like how it's an even playing field and you don't unlock uber weapons and skills that other folks won't have, the skins and emotes and stuff are fun. But on the other hand I kind of feel like it might get stale without some kind of real advancement options. I hope they have plans for lots of DLCs with new missions and maps and stuff to keep things fresh.
Ah that's why I was killing Bastion so quickly with Ratpack, his little grenade firebomb thingies often ended up exploding behind due to their bouncy nature.
I've literally not had this much fun in an FPS for years, not since pre-everything-is-about-hats-now TF2.
Been playing since the public beta went live(yay insomnia) and I've only stopped because my stomach is trying to claw its way out through my chest to find food on its own
Can't decide whether Tracer, Mei, Junkrat or Lucio are my favourites yet, but it's a testament to Blizzard's design that they even managed to make me like a tank character(Roadhog), which I normally despise in any genre.
I'm still using Pharah and Bastion the most. I get all giggley when Bastion makes his little wall-e/r2d2 kinda sound when he turns into a tank. And I play the sniper girl sometimes too.
What annoys me the most though is that guy with the chain pull, when he chain pulls you.. I've never ever been able to get chained and live. Yet when I tried playing him, I couldn't do it. Is it a power? or a combo?
So, in the videos it looks like there's clearly a good guy and bad guy team.. how come everyone is allowed to group together? it kinda feels like there should be 2 or even more different factions going.. or is it just like this for the beta so you can try out every character?
Is there going to be any kind of story? It would be cool if it was at least something along the lines of Titanfall where you can have an intro before each mission.
Necros wrote: I'm still using Pharah and Bastion the most. I get all giggley when Bastion makes his little wall-e/r2d2 kinda sound when he turns into a tank. And I play the sniper girl sometimes too.
What annoys me the most though is that guy with the chain pull, when he chain pulls you.. I've never ever been able to get chained and live. Yet when I tried playing him, I couldn't do it. Is it a power? or a combo?
So, in the videos it looks like there's clearly a good guy and bad guy team.. how come everyone is allowed to group together? it kinda feels like there should be 2 or even more different factions going.. or is it just like this for the beta so you can try out every character?
Is there going to be any kind of story? It would be cool if it was at least something along the lines of Titanfall where you can have an intro before each mission.
The chain pull is Roadhog's ability, just like Widowmaker's grappling hook.
I have been really enjoying it, but I can see how it wouldn't be for everyone. I think as it is right now, it could become kind of stale pretty fast so I'm hoping they have a lot planned for adding new content, even if it's just game modes and stuff like that. I really hope they don't try to adopt a WoW timeline for DLCs..
I really like how everyone has access to the same skills and gear, you don't get squashed by people 100 levels above you with everything unlocked when you're still stuck with a lolnoob gun.
Soladrin wrote: Just played about 5-6 matches in the open beta..
So... what's all the fuss about? It's rather boring.
That's taste for ya. Most peopel I've talked to love the The Witcher games and I find them absolutely painful. I fell asleep during Captain America: Winter Soldier , a movie all my friends loved. Overwatch just not be your cup of tea. That said, if you're asking what others like about it:
I like variety in the Heroes and that I can easily find a tool kit that suits my skills and mood. I like that I don't have to worry about loads outs, unlocks, pickups or other kinds of customization or performance variability. Mei is Mei and she'll be Mei on any map after any amount of playtime.
I like the large impact ultimate abilities, which give even a scrub like me a chance to shine. I'm pretty poor at aiming but if my timing & positioning are good I can get some work done.
The game has a real feeling of flow and movement. Genji can dash, McCree can roll, Pharah can fly, Hanzo can wall climb, Mei can boost with walls, Rainhardt can charge, Winston can Jump, Lucio is just fast. Heroes that don't have some way to do more than just walk and do so in a way that's unique to them are the exception rather than the rule. It just feels different to navigate on each Hero and how I position and interact with enemies changes as a result.
I like the pacing. The maps & timings are well engineered and my games seem to end in Overtime! on the second point or near payload landing point more than they don't. Matches where I feel relaxed and totally in control are few and far between, there's tension. The matches are super short and character switching keeps them from getting stale or frustrating If my current character is having trouble with the situation. The ultimate charge system also makes for great natural break points.
The aesthetic is something that's universally gotten praise in my group of friends. Big budget games in general and shooters specifically have been very sort of gritty, "realistic" affair in recent years. Even when the setting is fantastic with crazy jet packs and laser rockets you still have rusty industrial levels and the equipment feels practical. You might have jetpack but it feels like the jetpack a real military of the real future would have. Overwatch is bright and colorful and a touch cartoony. If someone had shown me this same roster and told me it was for a merchandise-driven Saturday morning cartoon, or some kind of rubber-suit Power Rangers type production I would not have questioned them.
It's fun, it's bright. It's got a distinct personality. You combine that kind of unique feel & tone with polished sound design and graphics and you get something that's pleasantly refreshing and engaging in a moment-to-moment play sense. One of my buddies was playing and commented on how he just really loved how the walking animations and step sound effects made playing each character stand out.
In Short:
It plays well. It's polished. It's got a lot of personality. It's refreshingly bright and colourful in a sea of gruff voiced dudes in rusty burnt-out landscapes taking themselves way too seriously.
Had a great overtime game last night, the kind where it's take and hold with the percentages.. we were both at 99% and it seemed like Overtime lasted a good 5 minutes with a pretty big epic battle but we managed to win somehow in the end. I was just flying all over rocketing everything that was red but the person that the D Va on our team won it for us by making her mech blow up and take out like 5 bad guys, she got the little MVP video at the end too
Soladrin wrote: Just played about 5-6 matches in the open beta..
So... what's all the fuss about? It's rather boring.
That's taste for ya. Most peopel I've talked to love the The Witcher games and I find them absolutely painful. I fell asleep during Captain America: Winter Soldier , a movie all my friends loved. Overwatch just not be your cup of tea. That said, if you're asking what others like about it:
I like variety in the Heroes and that I can easily find a tool kit that suits my skills and mood. I like that I don't have to worry about loads outs, unlocks, pickups or other kinds of customization or performance variability. Mei is Mei and she'll be Mei on any map after any amount of playtime.
I like the large impact ultimate abilities, which give even a scrub like me a chance to shine. I'm pretty poor at aiming but if my timing & positioning are good I can get some work done.
The game has a real feeling of flow and movement. Genji can dash, McCree can roll, Pharah can fly, Hanzo can wall climb, Mei can boost with walls, Rainhardt can charge, Winston can Jump, Lucio is just fast. Heroes that don't have some way to do more than just walk and do so in a way that's unique to them are the exception rather than the rule. It just feels different to navigate on each Hero and how I position and interact with enemies changes as a result.
I like the pacing. The maps & timings are well engineered and my games seem to end in Overtime! on the second point or near payload landing point more than they don't. Matches where I feel relaxed and totally in control are few and far between, there's tension. The matches are super short and character switching keeps them from getting stale or frustrating If my current character is having trouble with the situation. The ultimate charge system also makes for great natural break points.
The aesthetic is something that's universally gotten praise in my group of friends. Big budget games in general and shooters specifically have been very sort of gritty, "realistic" affair in recent years. Even when the setting is fantastic with crazy jet packs and laser rockets you still have rusty industrial levels and the equipment feels practical. You might have jetpack but it feels like the jetpack a real military of the real future would have. Overwatch is bright and colorful and a touch cartoony. If someone had shown me this same roster and told me it was for a merchandise-driven Saturday morning cartoon, or some kind of rubber-suit Power Rangers type production I would not have questioned them.
It's fun, it's bright. It's got a distinct personality. You combine that kind of unique feel & tone with polished sound design and graphics and you get something that's pleasantly refreshing and engaging in a moment-to-moment play sense. One of my buddies was playing and commented on how he just really loved how the walking animations and step sound effects made playing each character stand out.
In Short:
It plays well. It's polished. It's got a lot of personality. It's refreshingly bright and colourful in a sea of gruff voiced dudes in rusty burnt-out landscapes taking themselves way too seriously.
Yeah, I'm hoping Doom multiplayer will fill the hole that UT2k4 left.
Necros wrote: Had a great overtime game last night, the kind where it's take and hold with the percentages.. we were both at 99% and it seemed like Overtime lasted a good 5 minutes with a pretty big epic battle but we managed to win somehow in the end. I was just flying all over rocketing everything that was red but the person that the D Va on our team won it for us by making her mech blow up and take out like 5 bad guys, she got the little MVP video at the end too
Soladrin wrote: Just played about 5-6 matches in the open beta..
So... what's all the fuss about? It's rather boring.
Are you a TF2 fan?
Automatically Appended Next Post: What little I've played so far I've liked, although with Zarya I like her (physically) strong woman theme but her weapons and abilities seemed themed around particle and gravity which I don't think meshes well with the character's background. I wish she had a kit that emphasized her physical
strength more, like a gravitational area around her that sucks enemies towards her so can beat them with physical strength.
Soladrin wrote: Just played about 5-6 matches in the open beta..
So... what's all the fuss about? It's rather boring.
The fuss, as I see it, is about the sheer volume of options you have at any given moment.
I played a Watchpoint Gibraltar map last night, on attack. I had a choice of 21 characters to go with. My wife chose Genji (who she loves for some reason) and I took D.Va. We chose to exit out of the left as it's rarely guarded and the bulk of our team was going out the main exit. She then chose to immediately wall climb the first building, then double jump up past the barrier to get the drop on a Hanzo that was sniping our main exit. Meanwhile I circled around and then used my jet pack to fly up to the second building. Zipped through and caught a Widowmaker also sniping on a bridge. At short range she doesn't last long against D.Va. From that point I rained down fire on their team from the back, as did my wife forcing their tank to either wear damage in the rear or turn his shield.
When their team did turn on me that was cool, I just used my defense matrix and took almost no damage- but my team got a breather and they made some progress while I drew fire. That is, after all, my role as tank. I fell back and continued to harass them. When Reinhart came up to my position, shield up, I had the choice of falling back, jumping down into the fray or falling back. I chose to fall back, jetting to another platform the bulky Reinhart could not follow me to without a lengthy walk. He then chose to use his charge attack to move quickly to the next ramp so he could quickly get up to my position, at which point I knew I had him. His plan was obviously to advance on me and force me back into his team or smash me with his giant, rocket powered hammer, safe behind his shield. But by using his charge attack up he took away a threat to me. So I advanced on him and taught him that D.Va can actually do knockbacks. I caught him coming up the ramp and smashed him and took myself over the edge of the map. But that's cool, I just turned around and flew back, just making it back at ground level.
And that's why it's great. You just don't know what's going to happen. Is Winston going to come bounding over the wall to smash into your lines, using his cone attack to hit multiple people safe in his bubble? Perhaps Genji has snuck over a barrier and is going for the objective. Hell, Reaper may have simply teleported right through your line of sight and is about to royally mess up your entrenched Bastion. Perhaps the team has stacked Pharahs and is about to rain down rockets from above. Maybe you've got a great defense set up with Widowmaker and Hazo and a harassing Tracer, all being kept up by Mercy or Lucio passively. But then Zarya puts a shield on McCree- so he can't be just picked off as he wanders out- and it's High Noon...
Hell there's a gif going around at the moment of a Lucio kill on Zarya that is pure gold. Zarya (a tank) is holding a zone that is next to a large round hole- like a giant well. What does Lucio, the support medic do? He doesn't bother trying to out gun her, because he can't. He jumps into the well- which is lethal usually- and then proceeds to use his wall skate ability to skate around the inside of the well. He pops up on the other side, behind the tank and uses his short range defensive knockback to push her into the hole. That's an amazing play. And the game is full of those. Hell last night my wife trolled an enemy team by sneaking her ninja onto the objective through a high window, using her saber reflect on the damage they front loaded and then scampering back up the wall and out the same way. When they came around the long way to get her she just scarpered back onto the objective, keeping our team in the game until we arrived. Sure we still lost but that was awesome to see.
But it's not just what you can do, it's what your opponent can do. The problems you face are just a varied and changing. Winston smashing into your lines won't last long if a smart Hazo has used his Dragon Eye arrow on the vulnerable stop and you know he's coming. Reaper will die very fast if he teleports behind your Bastion but into the LoS of Symmetra's defensive turrets. Pharahs are dangerous in the air but Bastion will murder one in less than a second at long range. And that McCree about to unleash his ultimate can be entirely shut down but D.Va's defense grid, Winston's shield generator or Reinhart's barrier. But only if players are good enough to do it all- you'll need to bring more than just running about and shooting bullets skills to this game. Hell, only 6 of the 21 characters even have a conventional gun type weapon. I don't even know what Symmetra or Zenyatta are firing.
The game has some real depth to it because of these options and it never gets bogged down. If strategy A isn't working, there's B,C,D, E and more.
If this kind of stuff bores you, well that's unfortunate for you. For many of us though it's extremely fun and pulling off a special new kind of kill is very rewarding.
I just love going around as Mei. I seem to piss off lots of enemies with her. Freezing people and then headshotting them feels so rewarding.
I do think the dwarf's turret needs a bit of work... mainly on its turning speed. It instantly does a 180 as soon as you pop out to flank. Giving you no chanse. It's infuriating if you're on your own.
Mei is easily countered by Tracer, Pharah and Reaper. Tracer can just recall or blip out of the freeze, Pharah can launch or knockback and Reaper can break the freeze with wraith form. Then finish her off as she is almost certainly already wounded .
That said, Mei IS really annoying when she gets the drop on you, when you are just not fast enough to get away or don't have anything. The fact her attack goes right through shields is super annoying too. And the ice wall... ugh that is so annoying. And oh man that ultimate...
But by far the most frustrating thing about her is my personal inability to use her well.
Mei counters Reaper hard. He needs to break the freeze with the wraith form before he is fully frozen, but Mei can recover her HP with an ice block and freeze him again.
Tracer counters everything (well, almost - a set-up Torbjörn is easy bait for her ultimate but otherwise works) so no surprises there.
Ashiraya wrote: Mei counters Reaper hard. He needs to break the freeze with the wraith form before he is fully frozen, but Mei can recover her HP with an ice block and freeze him again.
Tracer counters everything (well, almost - a set-up Torbjörn is easy bait for her ultimate but otherwise works) so no surprises there.
*Sometimes* I can break Roadhog's chain/face blast with a Tracer zip, wraith form (or Genji's dash swipe) but not always. It's frustrating because I'm not sure if bad Roadhog player or laggy connection to the US servers...
Tracer isn't made to take down Roadhog though. She's made the threaten unattended objectives or flank snipers and defense heroes. That said I quite enjoy her. Last night I ran into a team that had two Tracers, which gave the perception she was everywhere. I'm pretty sure I engaged them both (unsuccessfully every time) on several occasions. Keeping track of one Tracer can be hard enough, two is downright horrible. Got her, oh she recalled? She should be over- nope she's over there! Argh that hurt! She blipped right- wait why is she on my left?! Ow ow ow HOW IS SHE ON MY RIGHT AGAIN!?
Honestly I thought I'd like Tracer a lot more than I do, but I find I prefer playing Lucio - he has less "burst" in terms of movement and damage, but he's consistently quick and the combination of wallriding and his knockback pulse make him just as much of a pain for the enemy team to deal with, and he can heal/buff as a bonus.
It seems like Tracer is very very useful in a small handful of specific circumstances(certain map chokepoints, as a hard-counter to a small number of other characters), but I feel I can take Lucio against almost any enemy team comp and in almost every circumstance and do well.
I especially don't get those Youtubers who insist Lucio is bad at fighting - sure, he's not Widowmaker in damage terms, but he'll wreck your face quicker than most of the tanks.
Kojiro wrote: *Sometimes* I can break Roadhog's chain/face blast with a Tracer zip, wraith form (or Genji's dash swipe) but not always. It's frustrating because I'm not sure if bad Roadhog player or laggy connection to the US servers...
Tracer isn't made to take down Roadhog though. She's made the threaten unattended objectives or flank snipers and defense heroes. That said I quite enjoy her. Last night I ran into a team that had two Tracers, which gave the perception she was everywhere. I'm pretty sure I engaged them both (unsuccessfully every time) on several occasions. Keeping track of one Tracer can be hard enough, two is downright horrible. Got her, oh she recalled? She should be over- nope she's over there! Argh that hurt! She blipped right- wait why is she on my left?! Ow ow ow HOW IS SHE ON MY RIGHT AGAIN!?
Still I don't think she's OP or anything.
Yeah, it seems everyone got their strengths and weaknesses, it seems pretty balanced for the most part.
I've stopped playing it the last two days, not because its bad, but sudden realisation its beta, and the unlocks are all going to go bye bye.. would drive me nuts if something I got in beta takes months to unlock when the game hits due to random loot.. bit like Tracers pink suit version.
From my play time though I have no issues leaving my preorder in place and will look forward to launch eagerly.
Yeah I haven't been playing it heavily for the same reason. But enjoying it and looking forward to the real game. I played at least 1 game with each character and some of them I just have no idea what's going on. Like the robot guy that makes orbs or whatever. Guess I should use practice mode to figure them all out.
D. Va was pretty fun, I used her a bunch last night, and Tracer & Reaper too. But I think Tracer is also my arch nemisis, she's nasty in the hands of someone that knows how she works. Betcha people whine till her skills are nerfed away.
Widowmaker really appeals to me. The cold hearted female sniper is like my ultimate obsession, but the exaggerated S-curve via arching the hell out of her back, absolute cleavage, and pants up the crack just ruin it. Why can't she be relatively normal?
trexmeyer wrote: Widowmaker really appeals to me. The cold hearted female sniper is like my ultimate obsession, but the exaggerated S-curve via arching the hell out of her back, absolute cleavage, and pants up the crack just ruin it. Why can't she be relatively normal?
trexmeyer wrote: Widowmaker really appeals to me. The cold hearted female sniper is like my ultimate obsession, but the exaggerated S-curve via arching the hell out of her back, absolute cleavage, and pants up the crack just ruin it. Why can't she be relatively normal?
Use one of the other skins? You're not going to be able to change the base model/pose, but the Huntress skin changes the outfit in a way that addresses your objections.
trexmeyer wrote: Widowmaker really appeals to me. The cold hearted female sniper is like my ultimate obsession, but the exaggerated S-curve via arching the hell out of her back, absolute cleavage, and pants up the crack just ruin it. Why can't she be relatively normal?
Just because that she isn't normal... Really?
Yeah, I mean can't we just get a normal girl with purple skin, who happens to be an assassin?
Purple skin is normal. I used to know a guy who would turn purple when he had too much booze.
How do you level up Trobjorns turret to level 3? I keep hitting it with my hammer, it can get to level 2, but never 3. I read that you need scrap to do it, so I fill up on all the scrap I can carry and it doesn't seem to help at all.
Necros wrote: Purple skin is normal. I used to know a guy who would turn purple when he had too much booze.
How do you level up Trobjorns turret to level 3? I keep hitting it with my hammer, it can get to level 2, but never 3. I read that you need scrap to do it, so I fill up on all the scrap I can carry and it doesn't seem to help at all.
You use his ult. Level 2 is the highest thing you can upgrade normally. Level 3 is a temporary super-state for the turret only for the duration of the ult. Level 1 or 2 turrets become level 3 when you use it and go back to what they were before when it ends.
O thought that was just a buff didn't realize that was level 3. He's quickly becoming my new favorite, even though my favorite changes every day. I wasn't doing too good with him till I figured out that the turret has to do all the work. Before I was just dropping it and then running off to fight and die with the rest of the team. Now I duck behind a corner and keep smacking it to repair it. Had a 14 kill streak at one point.
I might try out the girl with the little turrets too but they seem more like they do less damage
Symmetra's turrets do far less, but she can have six of them up at a time. And she can put them almost anywhere. I can't tell you how many times I've died walking into a passage or room where there's three turrets just inside the door frame.
trexmeyer wrote: Widowmaker really appeals to me. The cold hearted female sniper is like my ultimate obsession, but the exaggerated S-curve via arching the hell out of her back, absolute cleavage, and pants up the crack just ruin it. Why can't she be relatively normal?
Just because that she isn't normal... Really?
Yeah, I mean can't we just get a normal girl with purple skin, who happens to be an assassin?
Her skin isn't purple. It's bluish. Because she's basically dead IIRC. Yes, I read the character backstories.
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I understand the game is cartoonish and will have exaggerated features, but the entire character I want to play is literal fetish fuel. Massive thighs, check, thigh highs? check, huge ass? check, extremely disproportionate features? check. At least the other female models in the game aren't completely out of hand. Widowmaker looks like she's striking a pose for a generic sexist comic book cover or is one of those Instagram chicks that arches her back until it breaks to make her ass look bigger.
Or, you know, maybe she's made to resemble those silly "femme fatale" characters, French accent and all.
I don't see why you wouldn't play a character based on how the character looks, especially when said character is played in first person - ie, you won't even see her.
Necros wrote: Purple skin is normal. I used to know a guy who would turn purple when he had too much booze.
How do you level up Trobjorns turret to level 3? I keep hitting it with my hammer, it can get to level 2, but never 3. I read that you need scrap to do it, so I fill up on all the scrap I can carry and it doesn't seem to help at all.
You use his ult. Level 2 is the highest thing you can upgrade normally. Level 3 is a temporary super-state for the turret only for the duration of the ult. Level 1 or 2 turrets become level 3 when you use it and go back to what they were before when it ends.
I was trying out Symmetra now too, and she's quite good once you know what to do. in fact, I think she should be in like every game... just between the shields and the teleporter especially on those missions where you have a really long run to the objective when you die, she seems really useful. And yeah, sticking 3 or 4 turrets inside a door and watching them melt people when they come in is quite fun
Automatically Appended Next Post: Every time I stick with a character a while and really learn how to use them they become my new favorite, they did a great job making each one unique and fun
I can't get Symmetra to work at all. Doesn't matter if I try my own ideas or follow examples I see working well on streams/YT vids, I've yet to have a game with her that doesn't see folk quickly turn & burn my turrets before they die, and if I hang around them to try and add my own damage I just die as well.
I rarely die to her when there's one on the other team either, even when playing a squishy - tbh I think they nerfed her too hard earlier in the beta.
I've been playing Mercy. Most of the time I'm left isolated by the team and simply die. Still, love playing the battlefield medic. Her glide ability is quite liberating.
I've switched to her too recently.. I got rare devil skin for her out of a loot box so I thought I'd try her out. I have the same problem though.. I think people just don't even pay attention and have FragLust and don't even know you're trying to heal or buff them.
I pretty much never get any kills, but lots of assists and still get plenty of points at the end. I never really use the pistol, I kinda wish they would have her staff just damage people kinda like Symmetra's pistol beam
I enjoy all the heroes, however on PS4 no one uses voice chat and invariably I face triple Bastions, Torbjorns, Tracers or Reapers and it makes the game exceedingly dull.
Necros wrote: I've switched to her too recently.. I got rare devil skin for her out of a loot box so I thought I'd try her out. I have the same problem though.. I think people just don't even pay attention and have FragLust and don't even know you're trying to heal or buff them.
I pretty much never get any kills, but lots of assists and still get plenty of points at the end. I never really use the pistol, I kinda wish they would have her staff just damage people kinda like Symmetra's pistol beam
I'm super envious! That skin is gorgeous, although imp skin also has certain appeal.
In my last games, people just overextended and I've frequently died as I dived into the fray in an attempt to save them. No points at the end, people who score most kills usually get them.
Yeah that's a big problem, people just don't know how to be healed or stick together to get the objective. When that happens I just switch to a DPS character and get some kills, then switch to a different game afterwards. Seems like you need a good team that's trying to work together if you want to be able to heal em
Kinda bummed I'm not gonna be able to play again for like 3 weeks, but on the plus side I'll be able to get some work done around here
Tried it more on PS4. No one usss voice chat, no one geoups up or plays the objective. I actually enjoy being Mercy and Lucio but its impossible to have a positive play experience when everyone is trying to max their kill death ratio.
Honestly the lack of headset users drives me insane. I thought CoD was full of chat, does it not transfer over?
I really liked having no one ever use their mics.. I hate voice chat on consoles anyway, because it's always just coughing, chewing, sneezing and kids yelling at their moms, dads and little brothers. Soon as I hear any noise from anyone, I go mute em. It's one thing to set up a game with some friends and really communicate, but for me 99% of the time there's never anything worth hearing.
I really enjoyed playing Mercy the most, it feels real rewarding keeping folks alive and resing them when they die. I usually suck in firefights anyway so buffing and healing seems a lot easier for me to do.
Yeah I prefer comeraderie and some chat so that we can co-ordinate as a team, even from randoms. Sadly although the game is fun, without some dedicated buddies to play the game it becomes an exercise in frustration. Maybe when it hits retail there will be folks willing to build balanced teams or more people picking tanks and healers.
More Mercy/Reinhardt play. Surely watching the flanks, not get isolated and dart into cover are basics? I know my game is full of mistakes (my first FPS), however I don't know how many times we were like lemmings going into an ambush set up by Bastion and Widow.
I did manage to kill Genji at full health with Mercy's pistol. I think he kinda resented it.
I got a play of the game on mercy last night.. I didn't think it was possible by just healing.. I mean, all I did was stand there and hold the button down and healed Bastion while he killed everything, wasn't really much skill involved
I only whip out my pistol if someone on the other team is playing Mercy too, and I go out of my way to gun her down. there can be only one! Kinda surprised more people don't go after the healers, it's like they think it's better to just shoot the big ones.
Well because her ultimate really requires team follow up in order to consistently get value, and her projected barrier relies on an allies behaviour to do anything and her projected an important part of building up her primary weapon. In other words Zarya is a team player who is really hampered in an uncoordinated pub game. In the competitive scene only there's really only space for damage dealers, lucio and Winston/Rein. This mean Zarya is kind of confined to being "Good" only in coordinated pre-made groups, that also aren't looking to do the whole competitive meta thing. This is kind of a small slice of the player base and probably one that's a great deal less vocal than the others too.
Retrogamer0001 wrote: Interesting to see bits and pieces of 40K in here...that Tau suit was definitely lifted from GW.
Just because GW uses common sci-fi tropes does not mean that every usage of said tropes is a reference to GW products. Nothing about D.Vas suit particularly screams "Tau" and even then nothing about the Tau suits strike me as particularly original to 40k.
Zarya's bubble shield is SO GOOD
Junkrats Riptire? DENIED
Tracers Pulse Bomb? DENIED
McCree's Flashbang? DENIED
Mei's Endothermic Blaster? DENIED
Reinhardt Charging? DENIED (he pushes you out the way)
D.va's Self Destruct? DENIED
Hanzo's Dragon Shot? DENIED
Roadhogs hook? DENIED
Any ultimate that does damage by a weapon being held (eg Death Blossom) DENIED
Its quite good, and makes people mad when they wasted a super trying to kill me
I didn't get any Tau vibe from D Va, only maybe the chicken legs? It just looked like any old anime themed mech to me. I kinda liked her alt skin that was all junky and rusty looking. I think my favorite alt costumes that I saw was either Mercy the valkyrie, Trobjorn the pirate or Zenatta with the egyptian god costume. They're all great but those were my 3 favorites.
So... I was thinking, does the order of the victory poses matter? Like, if you're all the way on the right you sucked, but if you're first on the left you did the best? Maybe it's based on how much XP you got? Or is it totally random?
Tried the open beta a bit, and I'm really enjoying it, overall.
Though, I'm somewhat concerned I might be terrible at it. I swear, every play of the game involves someone (usually bastion) killing me, personally.
I enjoyed packrat, and tracer, unbelievably. I usually don't like fast classes, but she was surprisingly decent.
Didn't like torbeorn at all. His turret didn't do anything. A genji just walked up, killed me, walked away, all while the level 2 turret plinked away at him.
My only question is this: Is there any context to why the heroes are fighting? In TF2, for example, there wasn't any stated (though that game somehow did have a story). They were just silly army men shooting each other, and that was fine. they didn't even have names, just jump in, start shooting.
But they've done a surprising amount of worldbuilding in this game to just have everyone randomly smash each other.
In heroes of the storm, in the intro, Raynor asks why they're fighting and uther says 'don't think about it too hard'. Maybe that's my problem.
Didn't like torbeorn at all. His turret didn't do anything. A genji just walked up, killed me, walked away, all while the level 2 turret plinked away at him.
To be fair, Genji is uniquely suited to do this. He was probably using his blade reflect to redirect your turret damage to you.
My only question is this: Is there any context to why the heroes are fighting?
The short version is no. There's even back and forth between Widowmaker and Tracer where Tracer expresses her disapproval at working with her. Think of each match as an alternate timeline that has brought the various groups together.
Also I've started expanding my Tracer us. Two neat tricks I've picked up are to save up all three charges of her blip and then leap in from a ledge- blipping about 30 meters horizontally, to drop down onto the objective (and the inevitable Bastion/Reinhart combo sitting there) to drop her sticky bomb. Even the best Bastion can't react that fast and a simple E key later I'm back in safety watching my double kill come up. Timed with my team and it's a slaughter as soon as the tank/turret combo are gone. The second tactic I've found is for murdering tanks, which is to blip through them then immediately blip back. They always spin around looking for you but you're exactly where you were a moment ago- the one place they are sure you're not. You can easily unload a clip or two then use your last charge to blip through them again as they realise what you did. If you get desperate and time it right you can then recall to the other side of them, fixing up any incidental damage you might have taken and again confusing them. Doesn't always work but you can put a lot of damage on them- far more than they expect from lil' old Tracer. The exception is D.Va- her armour is stupidly hight and her sprays are enough to kill you dead fast.
Kojiro wrote: The short version is no. There's even back and forth between Widowmaker and Tracer where Tracer expresses her disapproval at working with her. Think of each match as an alternate timeline that has brought the various groups together.
I'd say that it's more -
Each of the characters has their own goals. The titular 'Overwatch' organization is gone (as the intro reveals), and the members scattered. So even the good characters are no longer united. All of them are more or less working on their own.
So two good characters (Winston and D. Va, for instance) could end up on opposite sides of a fight because they have conflicting views on the goals of the battle. And a good and a bad, like Tracer and Widowmaker, might end up teamed up because their short-term interests temporarily align.
I think Blizzard should add more lines to the game. Reinhardt asking D.VA for an autogram must had been one of more adorable things in that game I had.
Reinhardt smashing at D.VA: "Hey, personal space mean anything to you?"
Mercy respawning: "This must be that Deja Vu feeling Tracer was talking about."
Kojiro wrote: The short version is no. There's even back and forth between Widowmaker and Tracer where Tracer expresses her disapproval at working with her. Think of each match as an alternate timeline that has brought the various groups together.
I'd say that it's more -
Each of the characters has their own goals. The titular 'Overwatch' organization is gone (as the intro reveals), and the members scattered. So even the good characters are no longer united. All of them are more or less working on their own.
So two good characters (Winston and D. Va, for instance) could end up on opposite sides of a fight because they have conflicting views on the goals of the battle. And a good and a bad, like Tracer and Widowmaker, might end up teamed up because their short-term interests temporarily align.
Naw. Blizzard has specifically said the game itself has no story relevance or implications. The matches are just for funsies. The story is strictly confined to the comics, shorts and whatever other media they might release. Voice lines and level design are there to give you world building and character insights but tracer never did and never would be working with widow maker from a "Canon" perspective.
It might be cool if they released some short PvE mission packs with stories like the hearthstone "Adventures" but the development costs associated with that would be much higher. I'm not sure they could put them out at the quality they want at a price point the general public finds palatable.
I really hope they do.. I think with the name of just "overwatch" branding-wise it should be like the flagship game.. and while it's hella fun, this feels like it's just the multiplayer portion of what would have been in a big adventure game like dragon age or mass effect. Just feels like they should have done more than just a big deathmatch game with the universe as rich as it is. Who knows maybe they're secretly working on World of Overwatch in the background...
Knight wrote: I'm expecting PvE mode at some point. Have no idea, if it's going to be free, like SC 2 co-op play or in form of DLC/adventures.
The lack of PvE is what convinced me to grab Battleborn instead of Overwatch. I'd grab overwatch too if it had an actual story, but without one...no thanks.
Necros wrote: I really hope they do.. I think with the name of just "overwatch" branding-wise it should be like the flagship game.. and while it's hella fun, this feels like it's just the multiplayer portion of what would have been in a big adventure game like dragon age or mass effect. Just feels like they should have done more than just a big deathmatch game with the universe as rich as it is. Who knows maybe they're secretly working on World of Overwatch in the background...
Eh...
LoL has similar work performed on the character backstories. But that's clearly not single player. And some of the backstories have been rewritten in order to connect various characters to each other, even though the gameplay never acknowledges it.
If you liked that animated short, and you haven't already seen them, look up the animated shorts 'Recall Notice' and 'Alive'. Along with the trailer they're pretty good.
Kojiro wrote: If you liked that animated short, and you haven't already seen them, look up the animated shorts 'Recall Notice' and 'Alive'. Along with the trailer they're pretty good.
Does Lance Henrickson do his voice? Sounds like it, but I looked in IMDB and Solder 76 isn't even listed. And Overwatch isn't listed for him separately on his page.
This was was a long one, wished the song at the end would be longer too. I don't quite understand what Blizzard is trying to do with Omnics. I can't relate to the machines and the thought of a self aware AI isn't sitting well with me. I liked that little detail on King's row, where graffiti with hostile overtone were sprayed on the walls.
There's an interesting juxtaposition between Soldier 76 - seen in the short - and McCree. Soldier 76 is the former Overwatch lead, and is a white knight gone gray. McCree, on the other hand, is a former outlaw who has become a white knight with bad press.
I don't quite understand what Blizzard is trying to do with Omnics. I can't relate to the machines and the thought of a self aware AI isn't sitting well with me.
Bigotry and fear.
You're correct in that there are a lot of issues when the topic of self-aware AIs comes up. But those are questions that need to be asked before creating the AIs. That's already happened within the setting. The cat's out of the bag, and Overwatch dealt with the AI revolt when it happened. Do you destroy all the now peaceful Omnics just because there are still questions about self-aware AIs?
Incidentally, one of the good-guy characters - Tjorbjorn - is an anti-Omnic bigot.
Edit -
Does Lance Henrickson do his voice? Sounds like it, but I looked in IMDB and Solder 76 isn't even listed. And Overwatch isn't listed for him separately on his page.
Soldier 76 is listed on the cast page at IMDB. He's voiced by Toru Ohkawa. Among other things, he voiced Saito in GitS: SAC.
I know what the message is trying to convey. I'm simply apathetic to it. I don't know, if that's what Blizzard is aiming for. If it's only an information for us to analyse then the job was done.
I think Junkrat is also very against Omnics. In his comic a CEO (that looks suspiciously like emperor Palpatine) hires him to liberate a factory that supposedly has fallen under hostile Omnics control. https://comic.playoverwatch.com/en-us/junkrat-roadhog-going-legit
I hope they make a moon base map, lower gravity, jump platforms. Sounds fun.
Didn't realize till now.. but the game is up and running if you preordered it.. on xbox anyway. I thought we all had to wait till tomorrow? Just tried it now and had my first game
Necros wrote: Didn't realize till now.. but the game is up and running if you preordered it.. on xbox anyway. I thought we all had to wait till tomorrow? Just tried it now and had my first game
Nope. The game had a simultaneous worldwide release, and is now live no matter where you are or what the date is locally.
As for Junkrat and Roadhog...
They have a somewhat complex backstory. I don't remember where I saw it, but both of them lived in Australia. Some sort of Omnic facility got blown up and as a result a good-sized chunk of the continent was poisoned.
What's not nearly as well known is that Roadhog was the leader of the gang that blew it up. I'm not sure if Junkrat is aware of that, or if he would care even if he did know.
I went and linked my xbox account to my blizzard account, thinking it would let me play it on my PC too. Downloaded it and all, but it says I need a key to play it on my PC :( Not gonna buy it twice Would have been cool if you could have your battle.net account keep track of your unlocks so it didn't matter what system you play on.
I wonder if they changed the loot boxes around? seemed like in the beta I was getting a new skin almost every time. I'm level 13 now and so far all I've gotten is just 1 alt color and that's the rest have been dumb player icons and sprays. I've gotten lots of duplicates too, at least 4 times so far. Nice that they give you extra coins for that, but still. I want me some more skins!
gonna save all my coins till I get 1000 for Mercy's valkyrie costume
I lost 5 hours to Overwatch last night and got to level 14. I think I got 2 skins out of those boxes, one for Tracer and one for Winston, though admittedly both were purple 'rares'. Alas neither I'm particularly fond of. Clearly Blizzard wants people to buy the loot crates but that's not happening. Not when there's so few skins I actually want and I can afford them with the in game currency.
It's also really obvious when you're playing with someone who was in the beta vs someone who has just started today. I must have killed two dozen Bastions with Genji's reflect last night.
I got quite a few bastion kills as Mercy too, maybe it's just luck but I'm always zipping around with my wings a lot of times I end up behind em and just plug em with my wimpy little pistol before they realize what happened. Guess they're easier to take out since they don't jump around all over like everyone else
I managed to get an alt costume for Genji last night, where he's not in armor and just black & green cloths. Other than that, I think I got like 2 alt color skins so far, I'm level 18 now I think. Or maybe 16, I forget. But, the leveling seems ok for me unless healing just gives more xp than usual? I pretty much only play Mercy unless someone else already picked her, then I usually go for Pharah.
I think a lot of people are just starting with the game and didn't play the beta, so some games are hit or miss with people running all over the place looking for frags cuz they don't know not to. A couple times I just plugged in my mic and said "hey folks we really need to get this objective instead of running off on your own" and it seems to have helped.
Most players I've played with, knew they needed to capture the objective, however they still separated a bit too much (flanking is quite nice but the timings are way of) and perhaps they are being a bit too aggressive. Although it's quite possible that I'm being too passive.
A bit worrying that no one picks tanks, I'm usually playing Reinhardt. At least I've improved his game somewhat. It must be nice playing on US. When someone is speaking German and the other French things get a bit confusing over here.
I get all the plays of the game as bastion, people seem to get mad.
I clearly should show my mad skill by playing Soldier 76 or Pharah instead.
Though, not going to lie, playing a bastion and not shooting a Genji, who stands there confused why he hasn't gotten a kill yet, then obliterating him when his reflect is down is so amusing.
6v6, attacking on temple of Anubis, being a siege tank moving up slowly behind Reinhardt and winning is also kind of satisfying. Then, when our team got a turn on defence, not even letting them get through the door as a bastion, two torjbjorns, a Reinhardt and a mercy was pretty amusing.
I just need to save for the Bastion play of the game emotes so I can collect all the salt.
I had a game last night with 4 reinharts, 1 bastion and me as mercy. We drove that guy's limo all the way to the end and I don't think it stopped moving once
Nice, no one on the enemy team played Junkrat? I've managed to get play of the game with Reinhardt. By rocket charging into clumped group of enemies and throwing (myself as well) them off the cliff. I'll probably save for Reinhardt's Paragon skin. I do love his high spirited character.
I like how it has highlight videos that you can watch, I kinda wish there was a way to share them.. maybe you can on the pc but I don't think you can on xbox
I managed to get a loot box with 500 coins in it last night, just enough for me to get the Sigrun costume for Mercy Now she says "Till Valhalla" when I resurrect people instead of Heroes never die. I had the devil costume in beta but I don't remember if she said anything different then.
I also managed to get a play of the game last night with her.. I'm starting to think the game just picks them at random. All I did was just walk up and resurrect someone.. wasn't super heroic or anything. Maybe it just records when people use their ultimates and just picks one?
Can I ask a favour of folk though - can we have an end to this whole thing with gaming where people use "autistic" as an insult? It's getting mighty fething tiresome. Was hoping this game would be free of it at least for a couple of weeks post release but evidently not.
Heh, pissed off someone for the first time today. I was playing as Mercy, and healing people as best I can, and someone got pissy that I didn't heal them when they asked for it in chat. They said something like "I was right behind you for 10 seconds!" I don't have a mic anymore, or I would have said "maybe you should have been in front of me where I could actually see you along with everyone else I'm trying to heal!" Most times,.it's all I can do to watch the health bars I can actually see and keep bouncing from one to the other with the heal.
Yodhrin wrote: Dunno, I've seen ones with no ultimate used. Can I ask a favour of folk though - can we have an end to this whole thing with gaming where people use "autistic" as an insult? It's getting mighty fething tiresome. Was hoping this game would be free of it at least for a couple of weeks post release but evidently not.
I had some obnoxious players in my games, but nothing extreme yet. Generally I try to encourage the team but in some cases that's really a lost cause.
I also don't quite understand play of the game. I think the game just looks who did the fastest eliminations, I was quite sure of my moment where I did 4 kills as Reinhardt. PotG was Bjorn's turret killing four clumped enemies while he missed with every shot. I do hope more people will start picking up tanks. Reinhardt and another tank are excellent composition and allow ranged carries to have more room to play.
Please tell me I'm not the only one who think Roadhog needs a nerf? Unless I catch him unaware he's going to murder me (Reinhard), his self-sustain is insane, his hook will interrupt my charge and shotgun up close melts anyone. If I engage him I can only hope my team is going to do a follow up and pour every bullet into him. Almost never happens.
As for Roadhog v Reinhardt, he's not really someone you should be taking on alone; the shield totally negates the hook, so unless you have your ult up to stun him, just leave Roadhog to the rest of your team. Zarya can do some work against Roadhog, but the best counter is probably McCree with that bloody stun of his or long-range Pharah.
As for Roadhog v Reinhardt, he's not really someone you should be taking on alone; the shield totally negates the hook, so unless you have your ult up to stun him, just leave Roadhog to the rest of your team. Zarya can do some work against Roadhog, but the best counter is probably McCree with that bloody stun of his or long-range Pharah.
The best counter to every tank is Zenyatta. Orb of Discord them and they take 50% bonus damage, which just melts tanks. He's a lot harder to play though since you have no stun nor movement ability.
When I play Mercy my rule is to heal who I can see. If I'm healing you and you decide to jump all the way across the board where there's no way I can reach you, then die, guess who's fault that was?
I've been thinking about trying out Lucio, I get outhealed by him sometimes when he's on my team. I didn't know he could heal, I thought he was more of a buffer/shielder
Lucio has passive auras. Heal or speed. He's dangerously addictive as he can skate on the walls (hold jump key) and his alternative fire has knock back effect. Pushing people off the maps never gets dull. Try him, although there's a chance you'll never pick Mercy again.
I understand characters are meant to have vulnerabilities to others. I'd actually like to try a different tank but since people lock at least two ranged carries (McCree, Reaper) I'm actually demotivated. Reinhardt is great for any composition, I'd like to play more with Winston as his jump allows avoiding some choke points or simply deals with annoying flanker on the second floor. I've got Siberian Front Zarya skin, that could also be interesting. I'm also super happy when I see Zen + Mercy or Lucio and Genji on my team. Genji is very mobile and can usually make short work of enemy's Bastion or Widow.
Lucio is, hands down, my favorite character to play. Ever since Tribes I've always favoured movement-based classes/characters/equipment in FPS games, and I'd been expecting to fall in love with Tracer in the same way I did with TF2's Scout...but crikey she's actually slow as molasses with her base movement, and I find trying to manage her "charges" of Blink too frustrating to maintain any momentum.
Lucio's so good though that he's my default pick unless the team comp or the map really don't favour him; being able to wallride, run faster, and burst-move really fast for a few seconds combined with his sonic gun with the knockback would have been enough to get me to play him tbh, but the fact he can heal as well AND buff the team with his ult? Amazing. Not in an OP way mind, if the enemy team take a dislike to me and I stop moving I'm mince, but skating down a wall to a payload objective *just* short of the finish line, BLARPing all the enemies out of the way and winning the game is just soo good
Winston is, IMO, too situational. He's fun, and he's a good hard-counter to certain other heroes, but too many of the heroes that counter him are also generally just pretty useful/easy to learn so you only really see him used as a quick pick to achieve one thing or by a really good pair-team with a dedicated Mercy.
Zarya looks interesting, but she'll probably be the last hero I learn to play since I'm not huge on Tanks anyway and Reinhardt & Roadhog are much more intuitive for me
So, just out of curiosity, what kinds of things do you look for when voting for a player at the end of the match? As someone who enjoys playing Mercy, I do tend to skew my votes toward whomever is nominated for healing. Other times I just look for the interesting things, like someone who got 4+ gold medals. I like to offer recognition for more than just scoring kills.
People have been ignoring the healer in the games that I've played. I had a game in which I healed 29% of the group's damage while on Mercy, and only one other person voted for me.
When I'm playing D.Va, I *hate* Rheinhard. HIs charge ability blows right through her force field, and one shots her mech. Total BS, imo.
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Its hard to believe someone could spend 400 on that stupid game.
