Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Maybe the sprues will prove me wrong, but all I'm seeing in the video/pictures are chainswords, bolt pistols, a combat shield and the
same (atrocious IMO) power fist/lightning claw from the Tactical squad. So no options at all (hand flamer, volkite serpenta) ?

The article text specifically calls out weapon options "for the Sergeant", so I'm guessing no?
It's not like it is hard to find 3rd party weapon bits.

Also, as has been mentioned, there is an upcoming Melee weapons kit in the vein of the Heavy and Special weapons kits done already.
We've seen examples of a Hand Flamer on a new Mk3 Marine.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Maybe the sprues will prove me wrong, but all I'm seeing in the video/pictures are chainswords, bolt pistols, a combat shield and the
same (atrocious IMO) power fist/lightning claw from the Tactical squad. So no options at all (hand flamer, volkite serpenta) ?

The article text specifically calls out weapon options "for the Sergeant", so I'm guessing no?
It's not like it is hard to find 3rd party weapon bits.

Third party bits may be out there, but the fact remains that GW is lazy/stingy with options when it comes to the new HH infantry models
when compared to the Firstborn Tactical Squad frex (and it's not as if there's not enough room on the HH sprues). Some additional
bits would allow additional poses (throwing grenade, reloading) and add some much needed variety.

Glad to see the assault marines are finally going to be a thing.

Massively disappointed in took in the ballpark of 2 years to get such a basic premise as ‘melee squad’ created. Even more disappointed that it’ll be another six-ish months before said melee squad has any weapon options.

At the very least, GWs disastrous release choices for HH make me very good about choosing to go entirely third party for everything. This isn’t so much too little too late as flat out insulting.

 Gert wrote:
Also, as has been mentioned, there is an upcoming Melee weapons kit in the vein of the Heavy and Special weapons kits done already.
We've seen examples of a Hand Flamer on a new Mk3 Marine.

Are you sure the hand flamer wasnt the plastic one we got in the Jetbikes kit?

If you combine the resin breachers upgrade, all the sgt upgrades and the bitz from the jetbikes (hand flamer, 3 volkite serpentas, sheathed chainswords), you've got most of the CC weapons already present. Of course, getting the plastic upgrade sprue eventually will be even better, but yeh

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Maybe the sprues will prove me wrong, but all I'm seeing in the video/pictures are chainswords, bolt pistols, a combat shield and the
same (atrocious IMO) power fist/lightning claw from the Tactical squad. So no options at all (hand flamer, volkite serpenta) ?

The article text specifically calls out weapon options "for the Sergeant", so I'm guessing no?
It's not like it is hard to find 3rd party weapon bits.

The article mentions a power fist & lightning claws for both hands as the available options, so it's not the same mini command sprue that is in the Mark VI and III tactical kits.

 tauist wrote:
Are you sure the hand flamer wasnt the plastic one we got in the Jetbikes kit?

If you combine the resin breachers upgrade, all the sgt upgrades and the bitz from the jetbikes (hand flamer, 3 volkite serpentas, sheathed chainswords), you've got most of the CC weapons already present. Of course, getting the plastic upgrade sprue eventually will be even better, but yeh

I mean its literally on the roadmap for the Winter release slot but sure it could be the Hand Flamer from the Jetbikes but I would be very very suprised.

If its on the winter slot, it might come out in late February for all we know, so still pretty far away.

I hope the Assault Squad will be out before 2024 tho

Sorry just to clarify, Melee weapons are Spring not winter. My bad.
They'll be out at the same time as the Command Squad.

It just occurred to me we didn't see what I thought is the most obvious next release... the other half of Deredeo guns.

That's the kind of thing I think they'll just save for Heresy Thursdays.

 morganfreeman wrote:
Glad to see the assault marines are finally going to be a thing.

Massively disappointed in took in the ballpark of 2 years to get such a basic premise as ‘melee squad’ created. Even more disappointed that it’ll be another six-ish months before said melee squad has any weapon options.

At the very least, GWs disastrous release choices for HH make me very good about choosing to go entirely third party for everything. This isn’t so much too little too late as flat out insulting.

Flat out insulting is a bit far. They can only release so many kits. And it's not particularly hard to find power weapons, either from other kits or third party. Saying that, it's not hard to find assault marines. They're a very popular choice so people are obviously getting them from somewhere. Games workshop aren't living with their head in the sand.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Old-Four-Arms wrote:

Maybe the sprues will prove me wrong, but all I'm seeing in the video/pictures are chainswords, bolt pistols, a combat shield and the
same (atrocious IMO) power fist/lightning claw from the Tactical squad. So no options at all (hand flamer, volkite serpenta) ?

The article text specifically calls out weapon options "for the Sergeant", so I'm guessing no?
It's not like it is hard to find 3rd party weapon bits.

I mean... no, but finding 3rd party full minis ain't hard either

My Blood Angels are weeping!

FOR. JOY.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/23/heresy-thursday-this-thousand-sons-librarian-reasserts-dominance-over-the-immaterium/

He is beautiful! And Mk4!

Looks nice. It's kind of funny to find myself say that about several models in a row. I wasn't very impressed by the early resin Marines from last year. They really improved their sculpts in the meantime.

one hopes at some point they update the rules to allow other Thousand Sons characters to carry actual force weapons

Oooooh! Pwetty!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It just occurred to me we didn't see what I thought is the most obvious next release... the other half of Deredeo guns.

I thought they'd show them off at the preview.

A solid example of how you can have a model with lots of fun details, without overwhelming the overall shape.

I do kinda wish he was covered in less gak, only so 3d sculptors could copy the new Mk4 easier.

Another, very rare, exemplar when I like bare head more than helmeted one.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Another, very rare, exemplar when I like bare head more than helmeted one.

I thought exactly the same thing. I also agree that the more recent FW HH sculpts have been noticeably better. The resin quality and casting is also superior.

MkVI Assault Marines pre-order next weekend.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
MkVI Assault Marines pre-order next weekend.

So it looks like there isn't an alternative 'normal' torso for the Sergeant body - at least that icon looks easy enough to shave off.

F I N A L L Y

Is it another 2 week preorder?

I’d assume so.

See this was the reveal where they should have said "sooner than you think"

Bleh, delayed in Ausrtalia - hopefully only by a week.

Well I can finally start making some glorious BA... Angels.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I can finally start making some glorious BA... Angels.

Or Night Lords or World Eaters or any Legion that relies on hand to hand over shooting bolters.

Any rumor as to price? Is this 10-man box going to cost less than the regular 20-man ones, or...

 Albertorius wrote:
Any rumor as to price? Is this 10-man box going to cost less than the regular 20-man ones, or...

or... is GW, GW?

I really want some of these, but I'm dreading seeing the price, and how long it will take to restock them after the first 30 seconds online.

I'm thinking Skyhunter price band or less.

 Albertorius wrote:
Any rumor as to price? Is this 10-man box going to cost less than the regular 20-man ones, or...

£42.50 GBP (according to the trade list)

Ooof. Significantly more expensive than I was expecting.

beast_gts wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Any rumor as to price? Is this 10-man box going to cost less than the regular 20-man ones, or...

£42.50 GBP (according to the trade list)

...hm. Well, then. I mean, it is less than the £50 GBP the 20-box costs, but...

Wait. More expensive than the skyhunters. Sheesh

No One Important wrote:
Ooof. Significantly more expensive than I was expecting.

I keep seeing this and I just don't get it. Assault marines have always been almost the same price as tac marines for 5 guys. It's £7.50 more for the 10 man unit with options compared to the 5 mans jump assault intercessors with no options, so comparatively it's a great deal and the same is true compared to a resin squad previously. The Tac boxes really are the outlier here and I think that needs to be recognised.

If I can bag a 20% discount, not too awful. But I can’t see myself buying at RRP.

Dudeface wrote:

No One Important wrote:
Ooof. Significantly more expensive than I was expecting.

I keep seeing this and I just don't get it. Assault marines have always been almost the same price as tac marines for 5 guys. It's £7.50 more for the 10 man unit with options compared to the 5 mans jump assault intercessors with no options, so comparatively it's a great deal and the same is true compared to a resin squad previously. The Tac boxes really are the outlier here and I think that needs to be recognised.

TBF though HH has so far been on the plastic front priced more.. humanely?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

No One Important wrote:
Ooof. Significantly more expensive than I was expecting.

I keep seeing this and I just don't get it. Assault marines have always been almost the same price as tac marines for 5 guys. It's £7.50 more for the 10 man unit with options compared to the 5 mans jump assault intercessors with no options, so comparatively it's a great deal and the same is true compared to a resin squad previously. The Tac boxes really are the outlier here and I think that needs to be recognised.

TBF though HH has so far been on the plastic front priced more.. humanly?

It has, it still is:

Tac squads are £35 for 10 guys, mk6 is £50 for 20.

Assault Squads were £35 for 5 guys, mk6 are £42.50 for 10.

It's funny that we think it's "cheap" only because the other regular GW prices are insane.

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

No One Important wrote:
Ooof. Significantly more expensive than I was expecting.

I keep seeing this and I just don't get it. Assault marines have always been almost the same price as tac marines for 5 guys. It's £7.50 more for the 10 man unit with options compared to the 5 mans jump assault intercessors with no options, so comparatively it's a great deal and the same is true compared to a resin squad previously. The Tac boxes really are the outlier here and I think that needs to be recognised.

TBF though HH has so far been on the plastic front priced more.. humanly?

It has, it still is:

Tac squads are £35 for 10 guys, mk6 is £50 for 20.

Assault Squads were £35 for 5 guys, mk6 are £42.50 for 10.

Well, humanely, it's like Heavy intercessors. just not models / units that are priced reasonable. Or forbid scions.

 Albertorius wrote:
It's funny that we think it's "cheap" only because the other regular GW prices are insane.

It's all relative and unique to each individual at the end of the day.

 Albertorius wrote:
It's funny that we think it's "cheap" only because the other regular GW prices are insane.

This is also true. Very true.

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

No One Important wrote:
Ooof. Significantly more expensive than I was expecting.

I keep seeing this and I just don't get it. Assault marines have always been almost the same price as tac marines for 5 guys. It's £7.50 more for the 10 man unit with options compared to the 5 mans jump assault intercessors with no options, so comparatively it's a great deal and the same is true compared to a resin squad previously. The Tac boxes really are the outlier here and I think that needs to be recognised.

TBF though HH has so far been on the plastic front priced more.. humanly?

It has, it still is:

Tac squads are £35 for 10 guys, mk6 is £50 for 20.

Assault Squads were £35 for 5 guys, mk6 are £42.50 for 10.

Well, humanly, it's like Heavy intercessors. just not models / units that are priced reasonable.

You're going to have to define humanly, I assume you mane humanely?

Dudeface wrote:

You're going to have to define humanly, I assume you mane humanely?

yeah.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
It's funny that we think it's "cheap" only because the other regular GW prices are insane.

This is also true. Very true.

HH is cheaper on the model front because the armies are noticeably larger.

Keeping tabs on the various tactics threads on these same boards, it's clear that current 40k armies are fairly small. Like, maybe 60-ish marines and a vehicle or two usually. Maybe 5-10 terminators.

A legion list is generally in the range of 60-80 marines at the mid to low end, and then they've generally got 6+ vehicles ontop of that.

It's interesting to see what's considered small these days. My 4th ed Marines were twenty infantry, three Dreadnoughts and two tanks at 1500 points. That was my take on small. Double the infantry for an average Marine army and adjust for another 500 points to reach the modern standard and I could see those sixty Marines and extras maybe as an average sized army, even if it feels a bit large to me.

Considering price per model has gone up by 50% or more in the meantime in addition to army size, I can see why GW would feel the need to price Horus Heresy better if they want to entice people to buy an army. Kind of glad to see them act so rationally, even if it's still on a high level as far as pricing goes. Makes me think they might have actually learned something from Warhammer Fantasy's demise.

Assault Marines Come Screaming In From the Horus Heresy Studio

The shields look bigger than I was expecting, but I don't think they're big enough for Breachers. Also, no Iron Hands or gunslingers!

Ooooh!

Now, we see here Twin Lightning Claws (therefore double fists) and Power Axes.

Why didn’t they show those off before!

Some of those look really swell. And looks like significantly more people at the studio painted these than they did Mk3s.

Still convinced that of the 3 black legions only Dark Angels pull it off, the other two are a waste of expensive plastic.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ooooh!

Now, we see here Twin Lightning Claws (therefore double fists) and Power Axes.

Why didn’t they show those off before!

I'm pretty sure the power axe on the Blood Angels is this one from the sanguinary guard kit, just cut off above the second hand:


And the one on the Emperors Children should be from the resin despoiler upgrades

Possibly, but we see others. Two in the White Scars.

Happy to be wrong as ever, but I think we might be getting them.

The EC and WS axes match the resin Despoiler kit. But I suppose a plastic Mk6 axe would, so that's inconclusive.

GW seriously missed a trick with this kit and could have really easily made it a 4 unit-multi kit. If they'd put in both left and right handed pistols we could have had destroyers. If they had non-jump pack chest options we'd have had despoilers and mortalis destroyers. An extra frame of pistols and torsos and it would have been 4 infantry kits in 1.

That being said, it's nice to see what they have included. The shields are great looking, love the mini-breacher look. Duel lightning claws is a godsend and the power axes (if they are indeed plastic) also are much needed and look delightfully chunky. I'm eagerly awaiting sprue shots

 Snrub wrote:
GW seriously missed a trick with this kit and could have really easily made it a 4 unit-multi kit. If they'd put in both left and right handed pistols we could have had destroyers. If they had non-jump pack chest options we'd have had despoilers and mortalis destroyers. An extra frame of pistols and torsos and it would have been 4 infantry kits in 1.

That being said, it's nice to see what they have included. The shields are great looking, love the mini-breacher look. Duel lightning claws is a godsend and the power axes (if they are indeed plastic) also are much needed and look delightfully chunky. I'm eagerly awaiting sprue shots

Same could be said of the Tacticals. Throw in the Special Weapon Sprue and so on.

I don’t mind paying extra for upgrades. But that opinion naturally extends no further than myself.

 Snrub wrote:
If they'd put in both left and right handed pistols we could have had destroyers.

There's a rumour that there's dual bolt pistols in the kit, but it doesn't match the description:

You get enough components to arm your squad with chainswords and either bolt pistols or combat shields, plus a range of accessories, and a Sergeant with extra weapons options and two heads.

Power Axes and Double Chainswords look like they're from the resin despoiler upgrade set

I don’t think the power axes are plastic. Many of these models have been tricked out with FW resin heads etc, so the axes (which only appear on a couple of models) are most likely resin as well.

I think the Traitor units really shine here - especially the SoH and World Eaters. Although the DA with reddish bases look very nice too.

HH kits so far have been an exercise in doing the bare minimum. Even the combat shields are actually a step up from the norm for HH kits.

Contrast with any basic modern 40k core infantry sprue (GSC, Skitarii...) that's 3 unique "sheets" totaling 10 body sculpts with 2 core weapon options for everybody and at least half a dozen specials. Or, y'know, just the retired Mk3 kit...

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Same could be said of the Tacticals. Throw in the Special Weapon Sprue and so on.

True enough. Thinking about it for more then the 3 seconds I did reveals that destroyers would potentially need more. Extra bolt pistols being one, but then twin volkites too and grenade launchers/toxiferran flamers, etc. as well. I suppose they still could have fitted it on to one of the mid sized sprues.
Still a man can dream.

beast_gts wrote:There's a rumour that there's dual bolt pistols in the kit, but it doesn't match the description:

You get enough components to arm your squad with chainswords and either bolt pistols or combat shields, plus a range of accessories, and a Sergeant with extra weapons options and two heads.

Hmm Guess we really will have to wait for the sprue shots to know for sure.

It looks like the left handed power fist is in the set do that’s pretty nice. If nothing else, it at least gives some options to mix up how the tactical squad leader looks

 GaroRobe wrote:
It looks like the left handed power fist is in the set do that’s pretty nice. If nothing else, it at least gives some options to mix up how the tactical squad leader looks

I think they confirmed there are dual power fists / lightning claws. And yes, now your Tac sarge can have a chainsword and bolt pistol.

 Snord wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
It looks like the left handed power fist is in the set do that’s pretty nice. If nothing else, it at least gives some options to mix up how the tactical squad leader looks

I think they confirmed there are dual power fists / lightning claws. And yes, now your Tac sarge can have a chainsword and bolt pistol.

Ha, I originally meant that the power fist sarge could have the option for right or left, for a bit more variety. That’s even better

Two power fists! I wonder who's going to be the first one to build an RT era Gulliman..

I am liking the Assault Squad kit more after seeing these examples. The enforced chestpiece is starting to grow on me

 tauist wrote:
Two power fists! I wonder who's going to be the first one to build an RT era Gulliman..

That was Calgar. Only Space Wolves got their Primarch.

 Snrub wrote:
GW seriously missed a trick with this kit and could have really easily made it a 4 unit-multi kit. If they'd put in both left and right handed pistols we could have had destroyers. If they had non-jump pack chest options we'd have had despoilers and mortalis destroyers. An extra frame of pistols and torsos and it would have been 4 infantry kits in 1.

That being said, it's nice to see what they have included. The shields are great looking, love the mini-breacher look. Duel lightning claws is a godsend and the power axes (if they are indeed plastic) also are much needed and look delightfully chunky. I'm eagerly awaiting sprue shots

Missed it? My guess is they actively avoided it. Because making one kit for everything is less profitable than many kits and this is GW.

I'd even argue it helps the player on cost, because having four options per box would be more sprues and thus more expensive to get stuff you may not need. If I just need tactical, I'll just buy tacticals, for example.

I kinda think GW went into this knowing the HH scene is rife with 3d printing, so they're basically just hoping to sell bare bones bodies on the cheap.

Could always strap a holstered pistol and use some Tactical Squad flamers on the Assault Marines to make them Destroyers.
All the other equipment is the same, barring the Rad missiles.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
GW seriously missed a trick with this kit and could have really easily made it a 4 unit-multi kit. If they'd put in both left and right handed pistols we could have had destroyers. If they had non-jump pack chest options we'd have had despoilers and mortalis destroyers. An extra frame of pistols and torsos and it would have been 4 infantry kits in 1.

That being said, it's nice to see what they have included. The shields are great looking, love the mini-breacher look. Duel lightning claws is a godsend and the power axes (if they are indeed plastic) also are much needed and look delightfully chunky. I'm eagerly awaiting sprue shots

Missed it? My guess is they actively avoided it. Because making one kit for everything is less profitable than many kits and this is GW.

I'd even argue it helps the player on cost, because having four options per box would be more sprues and thus more expensive to get stuff you may not need. If I just need tactical, I'll just buy tacticals, for example.

I don’t think we’ve seen sprue pics yet? It’s entirely possible that the torso fronts are part of the jump pack sprue, giving them the future option to do a destroyer sprue later.

3d printing is still an insignificant minority within the hobby, doubtful GW has considered that in any meaningful way when it comes to product design and marketing.

chaos0xomega wrote:
3d printing is still an insignificant minority within the hobby, doubtful GW has considered that in any meaningful way when it comes to product design and marketing.

It's a bigger deal amongst HH players, in view of the limited range of models. I really doubt that GW has made any allowance for 3-D printing; I assume that the gaps in the ranges are simply a result of lack of resources and/or bad planning. They scurried to put out that stop-gap resin close combat sprue when they failed to include assault troops in their initial release schedule - they must have known people were turning to 3-D printers.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I kinda think GW went into this knowing the HH scene is rife with 3d printing, so they're basically just hoping to sell bare bones bodies on the cheap.

Irony is they massively kick started it with their lack of support.

When AoD released I was trying to stick with GW stock. For months I could've find good chain axe options on the third party scene. Yes they *existed*, but by and large they were out of scale or insanely expensive. Even harder to find were simple bolt pistols, as no one seemed to be selling 3rd party bits of those.

Then, about a year after release, that changed. I couldn't look on Cults or Etsy without tripping over three new chain axe models and piles of bolt pistols, not to mention melee arms to boot.

Speaking of pistols and swords, do we know if they are separate to the arms or attached?

Would be nice if they were separate (more posing options), but I'd bet they are single piece


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 Dryaktylus wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Two power fists! I wonder who's going to be the first one to build an RT era Gulliman..

That was Calgar. Only Space Wolves got their Primarch.

My bad, I misremembered that one

 morganfreeman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I kinda think GW went into this knowing the HH scene is rife with 3d printing, so they're basically just hoping to sell bare bones bodies on the cheap.

Irony is they massively kick started it with their lack of support.

When AoD released I was trying to stick with GW stock. For months I could've find good chain axe options on the third party scene. Yes they *existed*, but by and large they were out of scale or insanely expensive. Even harder to find were simple bolt pistols, as no one seemed to be selling 3rd party bits of those.

Then, about a year after release, that changed. I couldn't look on Cults or Etsy without tripping over three new chain axe models and piles of bolt pistols, not to mention melee arms to boot.

indeed, and available for Mk2-Mk7 armour, chainswords with some 20 odd different ones in a pack, able to be mirrored to be another 20, same with bolt pistols, hand flamers, and just about every other weapon going

my Breacher teams are 3d printed, and was quite easy to swap in the special weapons.

to the point GW need to start to re-think how they do this stuff, they did a "special weapons" and a few "heavy weapons" boxes for Mk6, adding an "assault weapons" type box would make a lot of sense and if it can be done for individual Necromunda gangs it should be possible to have one or two such boxes for HH. all as upgrades to the basic infantry boxes

A melee weapon kit is literally being released next year. Do you people even read the articles?

 Gert wrote:
A melee weapon kit is literally being released next year. Do you people even read the articles?

yes, thats not quite what I meant though, not a specific melee kit, a kit with the shorter range weapons not in the special or heavy weapon boxes

the various pistol upgrades, melee weapons yes, other special equipment. such that with the basic Mk6 box (either of them), you can make basically any Mk6 body marine with parts from one of the upgrade boxes

not a box thats "now you can make unit x, y or z!" but something providing the parts to create your own units across the range

then do the same for the terminators

What "short ranged" weapons? All the Specials are in one box, the melee one is going to have Melee + Pistols.
A Tactical box is the basis for about half of the total Legion units, both generic and unique, while the Assault kit gives you another quarter.
The only things that currently aren't available or coming out in plastic are Graviton Guns, which only Iron Hands can take en-masse, and full Power Weapon options for both Terminator kits, both of which are currently in resin.

 Gert wrote:
What "short ranged" weapons? All the Specials are in one box, the melee one is going to have Melee + Pistols.
A Tactical box is the basis for about half of the total Legion units, both generic and unique, while the Assault kit gives you another quarter.
The only things that currently aren't available or coming out in plastic are Graviton Guns, which only Iron Hands can take en-masse, and full Power Weapon options for both Terminator kits, both of which are currently in resin.

the various upgrade bits to make characters? enough of the various pistol types to be useful. ideally the sort of box that can take a 20 man tactical box and make it 20 of any line type with any upgrade not currently covered.

if they get all that into the melee one then fair enough

still not seeing breachers though - I suspect that may be best with its own kit, not just for the shields but to have weapon arms designed to work with them.

have to see what they come out with, for me the delay has meant I've gone elsewhere, about the only thing I'd want is enough hand flamers for all my sergeants to carry one, and since a good few of them are plastic that would be another MkIV box and the upgrades to do it (also want some special weapons for Mk III to finish a Veteran squad with a few options) and since both of those are plastic I'd want plastic to run with them - don't have mixed 3d printed & plastic squads as they are different

hopefully a Terminator upgrade kit, well two, one for each type, is in the pipeline

then its just the various legion specific units which I'm not expecting any time soon

leopard wrote:
the various upgrade bits to make characters?

then its just the various legion specific units which I'm not expecting any time soon

Consuls are staying resin, as are Legion-specific models. Any sort of expectation for either of those in plastic is silly when we were explicitly told over a year ago that it wouldn't be happening.

enough of the various pistol types to be useful. ideally the sort of box that can take a 20 man tactical box and make it 20 of any line type with any upgrade not currently covered.

Again, seeing as we've got the various kits so far that are enough to kit out 10 models with whatever weapon of your choice, I'd be very surprised if the upcoming Melee box didn't come with plenty of pistols.

You can also currently get plastic hand flamers from various GW kits, and you can use Bitz sellers or third parties as well.

This is HH, the system founded on scrapping chest eagles off of Mk7 models. Getting some hand flamers is not that hard.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Speaking of pistols and swords, do we know if they are separate to the arms or attached?

Separate, best as can be told. We can see them rotating on the wrist.

If they’re following the same design logic as the other sets then separation at the wrist is the way. This probably means you can make special weapon assault troopers using spare tac squad arms and an unused special weapon.

 Gert wrote:

leopard wrote:
the various upgrade bits to make characters?

then its just the various legion specific units which I'm not expecting any time soon

Consuls are staying resin, as are Legion-specific models. Any sort of expectation for either of those in plastic is silly when we were explicitly told over a year ago that it wouldn't be happening.

enough of the various pistol types to be useful. ideally the sort of box that can take a 20 man tactical box and make it 20 of any line type with any upgrade not currently covered.

Again, seeing as we've got the various kits so far that are enough to kit out 10 models with whatever weapon of your choice, I'd be very surprised if the upcoming Melee box didn't come with plenty of pistols.

You can also currently get plastic hand flamers from various GW kits, and you can use Bitz sellers or third parties as well.

This is HH, the system founded on scrapping chest eagles off of Mk7 models. Getting some hand flamers is not that hard.

indeed hand flamers are very easy, I fire up Chitubox, load the file, hit "slice" then send it to the printer

GW have essentially missed that boat

Dark Emissary.


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Another pleasing bit of restraint. Undoubtedly fancier than the rank and file, but not over adorned with greeblies and geegaws and guff.

Nice mini. And a look at nu-MkIV?

I really like all of the latest Heresy characters. It's also the second (or third if you count the Alpha Legion dude) model in MkIV armour, gives me a hunch that they might get an updated kit sometimes next year

I was thinking that too. A redesigned MKIV kit to match the existing MKVI & MKIII is probably going to come next in plastic as afr as armor marks are concerned..

..which again throws a wrench into my army building plans. I originally wanted to include a couple MKIV's to the army, to denote veterans of the Chapter who hadnt gone 1st company, but discarded this idea since the 2022 beakies were in different scale. Now it seems that option will be back on the table within the next 12 months or so..

Collecting Space Marines is a bitch. Just when you think you are close to completing your "set", more stuff you want in your set appears. Its the work of Slaanesh I'm telling you!!

Another great model.

With the black library preview coming up, I wonder if they’ll debut a HH character in mk 4 armor. Fafnir debuted in the updated mk 3 armor waaay before they even teased the new kit

He's good, could see getting him as I've been considering a SoH allied detachment

Everything apart from the face is good. Looks like he's smelled a bad fart.

Would be nice if they released any IW character, at some point...

But then how would we be as bitter as the Legion we so love?

Just buy another perturabo with a shovel and dig your sorrows away.

ok jokes aside, the special charachters are really all over the place and i think we should first have for all legions praetors before we throw out more specials.

The incorporated wrist guard makes this mark incompatible with heavy weapon sprues, which makes me doubt they will redo the plastic kit.

 Gert wrote:
Everything apart from the face is good. Looks like he's smelled a bad fart.

to be fair I'd be using the allied detachment alongside a primary of Death Guard so this could actually be considered a bonus

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The incorporated wrist guard makes this mark incompatible with heavy weapon sprues, which makes me doubt they will redo the plastic kit.

Those wrist guards can again be included in the MKIV tac kit, just like they did with MKIII

 Albertorius wrote:
Would be nice if they released any IW character, at some point...

They did. Buuut he was an event exclusive model and he also became a loyalist

 tauist wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The incorporated wrist guard makes this mark incompatible with heavy weapon sprues, which makes me doubt they will redo the plastic kit.

Those wrist guards can again be included in the MKIV tac kit, just like they did with MKIII

I really don't see how, they're part of the forearm, not an extra plate on top.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I kinda think GW went into this knowing the HH scene is rife with 3d printing, so they're basically just hoping to sell bare bones bodies on the cheap.

Irony is they massively kick started it with their lack of support.

Lmao, what's "massively kickstarted"? A couple thousand people out of 100k+ players? Out of a local community of around 100 GW hobbyists, I know 3 other people with 3d printers, personally. The number of people who buy 3d bits from etsy or whatever is not more than a handful either. You're grossly overestimating the extent to which 3d printing is overtaking the hobby.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Lmao, what's "massively kickstarted"? A couple thousand people out of 100k+ players? Out of a local community of around 100 GW hobbyists, I know 3 other people with 3d printers, personally. The number of people who buy 3d bits from etsy or whatever is not more than a handful either. You're grossly overestimating the extent to which 3d printing is overtaking the hobby.

And here it's hard to find someone without printed minis, even amongst tournament 40k players. I suspect reliance on printering in a region vastly correlates with lower average income.

Of course nobody here would be buying FW models even if printing didn't exist, so I guess the impact on sales isn't all that meaningful.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Would be nice if they released any IW character, at some point...

They did. Buuut he was an event exclusive model and he also became a loyalist

I myself have no problem with that last part ^^, but... yeah >_>

Exemplary Battles of the Horus Heresy – Tech Guard Bolster the Cult Mechanicus

PDF Link

3 Mechanicum themed Provenances for Imperialis Militia.

Oh, sweet, like the Tech Guard of old

Remind me, what's a laslock again?

Not Online!!! wrote:
Remind me, what's a laslock again?

Lore-wise, it's basically the lasgun equivalent to a musket or DMR, that trades RoF for stopping power.

Rules-wise, it's 18" S4 Ap6 Assault 2.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Remind me, what's a laslock again?

Lore-wise, it's basically the lasgun equivalent to a musket or DMR, that trades RoF for stopping power.

Rules-wise, it's 18" S4 Ap6 Assault 2.

Seems odd stats if it's supposed to trade RoF for stopping power.

tneva82 wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Remind me, what's a laslock again?

Lore-wise, it's basically the lasgun equivalent to a musket or DMR, that trades RoF for stopping power.

Rules-wise, it's 18" S4 Ap6 Assault 2.

Seems odd stats if it's supposed to trade RoF for stopping power.

But then why'd you ever switch the lasgun to a lock, especially when in the same provenance you get access to the lasrifle which has an actually dangerous profile.

Not Online!!! wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Remind me, what's a laslock again?

Lore-wise, it's basically the lasgun equivalent to a musket or DMR, that trades RoF for stopping power.

Rules-wise, it's 18" S4 Ap6 Assault 2.

Seems odd stats if it's supposed to trade RoF for stopping power.

But then why'd you ever switch the lasgun to a lock, especially when in the same provenance you get access to the lasrifle which has an actually dangerous profile.

To get lower rate of fire with more punch?

I mean atm that doesn't seem like it shoots less with higher punch. Well S4 but still not THAT big punch looking to my eyes and don't see reduced RoF.

Not saying it's bad weapon(not experienced enough with the game) but it's just that if I were to imagine profile that for weapon that's supposed to have lower rate of fire but higher damage output that would NOT be what I would be thinking up.

I mean...Does that even shoot less shots than lasgun?

tneva82 wrote:


To get lower rate of fire with more punch?

I mean atm that doesn't seem like it shoots less with higher punch. Well S4 but still not THAT big punch looking to my eyes and don't see reduced RoF.

Not saying it's bad weapon(not experienced enough with the game) but it's just that if I were to imagine profile that for weapon that's supposed to have lower rate of fire but higher damage output that would NOT be what I would be thinking up.

I mean...Does that even shoot less shots than lasgun?

It doesn't, it has a 6 " sweetspot where it outperforms the lasguns on a rof point. It's assault though on grens so that's worth something even if questionable for grens since they actually can do melee, but if you want to do melee, why not just get shotguns, or use the normal assault laser militia has. And if Rof is really what you want, there's also the assault carbine which has actually a higher rof.
The arc rifle, now that is worth considering, maybee.

But you anyways get access to lasrifles which are either Heavy 2 30" S3 or Heavy 1 18" and S6 Ap4 which outperforms the 2 shots S4 against the average opponent massivly.

Looks neat. In fact the graphical presentation is far better than the actual Militia pdf!

Not Online!!! wrote:

tneva82 wrote:


To get lower rate of fire with more punch?

I mean atm that doesn't seem like it shoots less with higher punch. Well S4 but still not THAT big punch looking to my eyes and don't see reduced RoF.

Not saying it's bad weapon(not experienced enough with the game) but it's just that if I were to imagine profile that for weapon that's supposed to have lower rate of fire but higher damage output that would NOT be what I would be thinking up.

I mean...Does that even shoot less shots than lasgun?

It doesn't, it has a 6 " sweetspot where it outperforms the lasguns on a rof point. It's assault though on grens so that's worth something even if questionable for grens since they actually can do melee, but if you want to do melee, why not just get shotguns, or use the normal assault laser militia has. And if Rof is really what you want, there's also the assault carbine which has actually a higher rof.
The arc rifle, now that is worth considering, maybee.

But you anyways get access to lasrifles which are either Heavy 2 30" S3 or Heavy 1 18" and S6 Ap4 which outperforms the 2 shots S4 against the average opponent massivly.

So again just reinforces my point. Odd stats if it's supposed to be low rate of fire higher punch

Comment wasn't related to power level as obviously you can make stats that are balanced/imbalanced either way. Just that the stats seems odd for describtion. Much like I would consider it odd if genestealers were in game very slow unit that punch like wet paper but shoots very powerfully. You can make that work balance wise just as well as speedy melee specialist...but one fits fluff and one...is odd

Neato, more Militia stuff. I'm interested to see if this happens again in future.

Is this hope for more flavor for ruinstorm daemons in future exemplary battles publications?

Or that GW will be releasing a full print version of the Militia army list in a future exemplary battles compilation book?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Lmao, what's "massively kickstarted"? A couple thousand people out of 100k+ players? Out of a local community of around 100 GW hobbyists, I know 3 other people with 3d printers, personally. The number of people who buy 3d bits from etsy or whatever is not more than a handful either. You're grossly overestimating the extent to which 3d printing is overtaking the hobby.

And here it's hard to find someone without printed minis, even amongst tournament 40k players. I suspect reliance on printering in a region vastly correlates with lower average income.

Of course nobody here would be buying FW models even if printing didn't exist, so I guess the impact on sales isn't all that meaningful.

It's hard to imagine 3d printing isn't a lot more popular among the 30K crowd than the average wargamers, doing Horus Heresy without any printer access sounds awful. If somebody is in a big community of 30K players and they barely know anybody who prints, it's more likely people just aren't sharing that much of their lives with you personally than they actually aren't printing.

For most of my local, it's prob 50/50 print vs fw. I currently only have official stuff but as soon as I get my printer/wash/cure station setup and running I'll be a heretic...

Sprue pics:


Weapons are connected at the wrist with a flat connection and the only extra sergeant weapons are the two fists/lightning claws.
The kit is three sprues two times the body/weapon sprue and one jumppack sprue

Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

I like the extra chunky cabling on those power fists

Also interesting to see the leg vents on the Assault models aren't identical with the tactical ones

It also appears to be setup for Despoilers(w different powerpack sprue) in the future

Now all we need is the plastic Storm Eagle / Fire Raptor kit for them to deploy from. (Fingers crossed)

looks like the plastron is molded onto the body piece, not separate like some people were hoping.

Sprues are very well designed, like all of the HH 2.0 releases. Looks brilliant. Hopefully they're up for preorder in Aus next week.

Racerguy180 wrote:
It also appears to be setup for Despoilers(w different powerpack sprue) in the future

I think Despoilers will probably just be the melee weapons pack + a Tactical Squad kit.

Torso moulded to legs, solid skip for me, I really hate this puzzle piece CAD stuff GW does these days as they want to cut out the 3rd party market... and their own upgrade sets.

 Formosa wrote:
I really hate this puzzle piece CAD stuff GW does these days

Easily the worst part about modern GW design.

Well, another kit that intentionally gives you the bare minimum possible.

They could have put just 5 jetpacks per sprue and have half the sprue left over for extra bits, for example the weapon options the squad has. But nope.

 Snrub wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
I really hate this puzzle piece CAD stuff GW does these days

Easily the worst part about modern GW design.

Not the split in two shoulderpad to save some plastic?
I can live with the jigsaw bodies to an extent if i don't require 100's of bodies. But the shoulderpads for the MK VI are just aggrivating.

Same with the split bottomplate on the spartan variants.

How does the split pad save plastic?

It doesn't, it just prevents the studs from being melted into the pad a bit. Funny they went to so much trouble to avoid filled in undercuts here, when you look at Legions...

Not Online!!! wrote:
Not the split in two shoulderpad to save some plastic?
I can live with the jigsaw bodies to an extent if i don't require 100's of bodies. But the shoulderpads for the MK VI are just aggrivating.

Same with the split bottomplate on the spartan variants.

Oh to me that all falls under the big umbrella of gakky design.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It doesn't, it just prevents the studs from being melted into the pad a bit. Funny they went to so much trouble to avoid filled in undercuts here, when you look at Legions...

So you are telling me that they had no realistic reason to do so because we could've also done slightly smaller studs but a whole shoulderpad?!?

feth me.

It was to avoid having the "shadow" on the studs at the side as seen here. Was it worth it to put a seam down the pad to avoid the shadow and waste sprue space? In my opinion no.

 frankelee wrote:
If somebody is in a big community of 30K players and they barely know anybody who prints, it's more likely people just aren't sharing that much of their lives with you personally than they actually aren't printing.

There's a joke in the 3D printing and Horus Heresy community: How do you know who has a 3D printer? Don't worry, if they have a 3D printer, they'll tell everyone.

 frankelee wrote:
It's hard to imagine 3d printing isn't a lot more popular among the 30K crowd than the average wargamers, doing Horus Heresy without any printer access sounds awful.

Managed it for the last decade or so and never had any trouble. This new generation has to have their 3d printers or can only have stuff sold to them under an exact branding label.
Back in my day, we had two sticks and a rock, and we had to share the rock.

so, you had a rock?

 Gert wrote:

 frankelee wrote:
It's hard to imagine 3d printing isn't a lot more popular among the 30K crowd than the average wargamers, doing Horus Heresy without any printer access sounds awful.

Managed it for the last decade or so and never had any trouble. This new generation has to have their 3d printers or can only have stuff sold to them under an exact branding label.
Back in my day, we had two sticks and a rock, and we had to share the rock.

Thaaaaank you.
I can't stand reading all day every day that "there are no assault marine" or "there are no upgrade kits" when it's all there, and have been there for years, ready to be used. The 30k community started with barely anything and people were ingenious, passionate people that worked hard to give life to the setting and what they read / saw. Nowadays it's "it's not already done and in perfect plastic so I'll complain for 2 years"
On topic, I wonder when are they going to release MKIII legion helmets and pauldrons, now that they have released redesigned MKIII ? Any word about that ?

its just another tool in the box, a bit like how some called washes "cheating" when GW first released them

its just a thing that gets you to the table with models

kit bashing, sculpting, parts swaps etc

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
I really hate this puzzle piece CAD stuff GW does these days

Easily the worst part about modern GW design.

Not the split in two shoulderpad to save some plastic?
I can live with the jigsaw bodies to an extent if i don't require 100's of bodies. But the shoulderpads for the MK VI are just aggrivating.

Same with the split bottomplate on the spartan variants.

Alternatives were inferior quality studs, no studs or studs to be glued.

Bit of plastic glue, push, done. Bohoo.

You really prefer individual studs to be glued? End result looks same...

I dont mind the 2-piece shoulderpad anymore. I hold the pieces together and my spouse dabs two times into the inside seam (aiming at those two teethlike spots in the seam to be exact) with Mr Hobby SP glue, perfect result everytime.

That pose #5 in the tactical kit though..! I never get the second leg glued on right on the first try

EDIT: Only now had the time to check out the Assault Squad preorder.. 55€ for 10 models? Has to be the worst value for HH2 basic infantry kit so far..

found it wasn't too hard to clip one half of the Mk 6 shoulder pad, and glue it to the other half while that was on the frame to paint it there

 Matrindur wrote:
Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

More likely they'll just re-use the same jump pack sprue for assault marines in different Marks of armour.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

More likely they'll just re-use the same jump pack sprue for assault marines in different Marks of armour.

Even GW couldn't suck that bad

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

More likely they'll just re-use the same jump pack sprue for assault marines in different Marks of armour.

Even GW couldn't suck that bad

Are you......new to this?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Also it does seem like the jumppack sprue doesn't have anything on there needed for the bodies, same for the other way around so it might be possible that they also use this jumppack sprue for destroyers in the future? 
The body sprue could be used for despoilers with a different backpack sprue but then they would also have the additional armour plates in the front

More likely they'll just re-use the same jump pack sprue for assault marines in different Marks of armour.

Even GW couldn't suck that bad

They couldn't even be bothered to make a mk3 appropriate Sergeant sprue. Why do you think they'd change the jump packs, when those are bigger and take more plastic.

Sunday Preview – More for Necromunda, the Horus Heresy, and Black Library Coming Soon

In a change to standard procedures, the first four products listed will go up for pre-order in two weeks on the 16th of December. It’ll be a three-week pre-order period too, to accommodate Christmas postage, so the in-store release date is on the 6th of January.

Thousand Sons Librarian Consul – Pre-order 16th December

The Thousand Sons were exquisite psykers before the Edict of Nikea outlawed the use of powers across the Imperium, and not even the absolute decree of the Emperor could stop the Prosperans from dabbling in warp-touched sorcery. Armed with a powerful force weapon and their own prodigious psychic talents, the Thousand Sons Librarian Consul is a Forge World resin miniature with a choice of either a bare or helmed head.

If they're posting releases that are 5 weeks out they must have a pathological fear of an "empty" Sunday, but then what will they post the next 2 or 3 Sundays?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
If they're posting releases that are 5 weeks out they must have a pathological fear of an "empty" Sunday, but then what will they post the next 2 or 3 Sundays?

E-books and made to order, as in things that don't care if it's a holiday or not?

But yeah, reading today's announcement was kind of humorous.

Technically speaking nothing stops them from announcing regular releases with same system from now on.

After all they went to 2 week preorder without affecting announcements.

New Valrak rumour video:

New mystery army is Solar Auxilia as expected and it will come with a new boxset.
Rumoured contents are:
Infantry but no specification how many
Either a command squad or a command sentinel? Could be a dual build with the Aethon Sentinel from LI but normal command squad would make way more sense so probably that
Leman Russ variant so likely the SA design version
A heavy transport so probably the Dracosan?

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumour video:

New mystery army is Solar Auxilia as expected and it will come with a new boxset.
Rumoured contents are:
Infantry but no specification how many
Either a command squad or a command sentinel? but normal command squad would make way more sense so probably that
Leman Russ variant so likely the SA design version
A heavy transport so probably the Dracosan?

Command sentinel?

We already got the SA list, is GW expecting us to buy another book?

Dracosan would make sense because SA also got the malcador and it shares the chassis.

 Matrindur wrote:
Either a command squad or a command sentinel?

A dual kit for an Aethon Heavy Sentinel or command sentinel would be cool.

Not Online!!! wrote:
We already got the SA list, is GW expecting us to buy another book?

Always! (But it could be a PDF or a pamphlet in the box set)

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New Valrak rumour video:

New mystery army is Solar Auxilia as expected and it will come with a new boxset.
Rumoured contents are:
Infantry but no specification how many
Either a command squad or a command sentinel? but normal command squad would make way more sense so probably that
Leman Russ variant so likely the SA design version
A heavy transport so probably the Dracosan?

Command sentinel?

We already got the SA list, is GW expecting us to buy another book?

Dracosan would make sense because SA also got the malcador and it shares the chassis.

We are at least going to get the new Aethon Sentinel for sure and that could be a dual kit with a command sentinel but it's likelier someone misunderstood and its just the normal command squad

But if its just a single new kit they will likely just out the rules up in a pdf instead of a new book. If we are getting more than one new kit or the rules for the existing stuff changed then a new book would be possible but I don't think that is likely

They can also update some rules as part of the next campaign book. If the Baneblade gets a SA plastic kit it needs a rules fix to make it viable.

SA anyways need a massive rework as it stands on the rulesfront. Unless they want everyone to play penal SA.

 Matrindur wrote:
New mystery army is Solar Auxilia as expected and it will come with a new boxset.

As in new army box, or a new complete core set w/rulebook and everything?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
New mystery army is Solar Auxilia as expected and it will come with a new boxset.

As in new army box, or a new complete core set w/rulebook and everything?

Very very likely just a normal boxset like the MKIII one

FAQ's have dropped.

Anyone spotted something significant as of yet?


Just checked the malcador, if it got on the militia list the independant gunners rule that the normal SA malcador has. Nope..

I’d hope they release the charonite ogryns early on. Hopefully they’re identical to the FW models, as they are some of the coolest models in the range

Ouch, my wallet is gon' suffer, those plastic SA tanks will look glorious next to my plastic DKoK

Not Online!!! wrote:
Anyone spotted something significant as of yet?


Just checked the malcador, if it got on the militia list the independant gunners rule that the normal SA malcador has. Nope..

Most significant ones I'm seeing are point drops on the Super heavies and aircraft, and all the legacies UM units got nuked from orbit in either points or rules. Suzerains untouched though.

 ProfSrlojohn wrote:
all the legacies UM units got nuked from orbit in either points or rules. Suzerains untouched though.

Nothing of value was lost. Fulmentarus needed a whack to the back of the knee with the nerf bat, and that's preciselywhat they got. They were a fething joke.
I look forward to hearing the one local WAAC Ultramarine player whinge incessantly about how hard done by he is now.


I'm a bit confused about something though. Under Farith Redloss' profile (Legacies pg45.) they've updated it to say the following.

*Selecting Farith Redloss satisfies the conditions of any Limitation of a Rite of War that requires a Detachment or Army to contain a model with the Legion Siege Breaker Legiones Consularis upgrade.

Now unless i've really misunderstood what they mean here, no current RoW has this specification. So I'm wondering if they've done a touch of future proofing with him for an upcoming campaign book or something.


Otherwise as far as the 1st are concerned, the Firewing Enigmatii dropped 50 pts which is nice, but beside this and Farith, no other changes. I'd have liked to see the Excindio drop some points or clarification on whether it can take two shooting weapons.
But on the other hand, Cenobium and Interemptors remain untouched, so can't complain too much.


Nice to see Nullifactors get the right Str bonus for their maces. Spatha attack bikes are half way usable now with the 2 W/A and a modest points drop. Also nice that Indom Termies got the benefits of PotL.

"You can't put a bayonet on a shrapnel bolter" stood out to me as a random "no fun allowed" ruling.

What a disappointing FAQ as a Knight player. I had hoped they'd at least make an effort to tweak them so they aren't so bad.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
"You can't put a bayonet on a shrapnel bolter" stood out to me as a random "no fun allowed" ruling.

I do you one better:

Seeker with kraken boltguns: chainbajonet or bajonet allowed. Long live mass assault doctrine.


AL: replaces kraken boltgun for style with banestrike boltgun on seekers. Bajonet not allowed.

Can't even replace the better boltgun with a worse CQC boltgun and slap a bajonet on.... GW literally forces me to powergame




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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
What a disappointing FAQ as a Knight player. I had hoped they'd at least make an effort to tweak them so they aren't so bad.

that could be stated by SA and Militia aswell.

We could've also finally got the 20-30 pts price increase on contemptors..,

Indomitus Terminators now only gain Line if they are taken as Compulsory in Pride of the Legion now.

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
What a disappointing FAQ as a Knight player. I had hoped they'd at least make an effort to tweak them so they aren't so bad.

that could be stated by SA and Militia aswell.

We could've also finally got the 20-30 pts price increase on contemptors..,

Oh... wow. Yeah, they sure didn't even address Contemptors did they? Wow.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Indomitus Terminators now only gain Line if they are taken as Compulsory in Pride of the Legion now.

That was true as of the previous errata from ages back was it not?

Xirix wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Indomitus Terminators now only gain Line if they are taken as Compulsory in Pride of the Legion now.

That was true as of the previous errata from ages back was it not?

No, they all gained Line in the previous errata regardless of if they were the compulsory choices or not. If there wasn't a change this time around it would not be highlighted Magenta.

LH:EC still terrible, but at least they fixed the most egregious rules interactions so the army functions now. Hopefully they'll make significant changes when they come around to reprinting this in the future...

Not Online!!! wrote:


We could've also finally got the 20-30 pts price increase on contemptors..,

Not only that but the 2 character dreads got a 20pt decrease.

cody.d. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:


We could've also finally got the 20-30 pts price increase on contemptors..,

Not only that but the 2 character dreads got a 20pt decrease.

welp.
Dreadnought suptype fears nothing it seems.

Not sure why the missiles of a praetor launcher are centerline but the fixed volcano cannon on the shadowsword is front.

I'm wondering if while we may get some of the SA tanks in plastic like the draconian and malcador, the full size SA baneblade in pictures may be a resin upgrade kit instead of a full plastic.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not sure why the missiles of a praetor launcher are centerline but the fixed volcano cannon on the shadowsword is front.

I'm wondering if while we may get some of the SA tanks in plastic like the draconian and malcador, the full size SA baneblade in pictures may be a resin upgrade kit instead of a full plastic.

Lotta things wrong with the shadowsword, like it can fire on the move, too.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not sure why the missiles of a praetor launcher are centerline but the fixed volcano cannon on the shadowsword is front.

I'm wondering if while we may get some of the SA tanks in plastic like the draconian and malcador, the full size SA baneblade in pictures may be a resin upgrade kit instead of a full plastic.

Lotta things wrong with the shadowsword, like it can fire on the move, too.

I assume that is just a change due to other patterns. Mars pattern had to unlink the drive to power the cannon, but another forgeworld had better capacitors that fit with the stc. Maybe Lucius, or Arkurian, which would explain why the latter version is so widespread.

Alpha Legion Sabotadger





Gun is apparently an Astartes Shotgun.

He's cool.

Really enjoying these legion specific consuls. Can't wait for the DA Paladin.

Would have been cool to see a Raven Guard one finally.

Ok what armour mark is that? I see elements from all over the place.

Also, still enjoying the fact that the part of the alpha legion symbol that most people probably think is meant to be an alpha is actually a lambda. Deception within deception…

I believe it's an artificer Mk5 pattern?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Would have been cool to see a Raven Guard one finally.

Little bit of patience will go a long way Kan. You'll get one eventually, don't fret.

It doesn’t look like it, but I’m gonna mark 6 based off the backpack? I don’t think fw models typically combine mks of armor

 Snrub wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Would have been cool to see a Raven Guard one finally.

Little bit of patience will go a long way Kan. You'll get one eventually, don't fret.

Sure we will.

Looks old scale. Gorilla proportions and all that.

He looks great. One for my Alpha's

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure we will.

9/11 - Stormseer
23/11 - 1k Sons Libarian (not a legion specific consul admitedly, but it is a consul that is a specific legion)
30/11 - Dark Emissary
7/12 - Saboteur

In less then a month, they've announced 3 (4ish) legion consuls. I'd give pretty good odds of your precious Ravenguard getting theirs!

Masters of misdirection, a Saboteur Consul can stroll into the ranks of their opponent without revealing themselves, masking their presence to create havoc, spoil defences, or eliminate high-ranking targets.

The constant problem of alpha legion (and other 'sneaky' space marines): How?

Is there magic involved? Camouflaged plates? Stealth field projectors? No one in the galaxy is going to take a look at this guy and think 'yep, definitely NOT alpha legion. Must be one of ours'

Is it a nice model? Sure. But the idea that he can stroll about without a reveal is extremely, utterly silly.

 Snrub wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure we will.

9/11 - Stormseer
23/11 - 1k Sons Libarian (not a legion specific consul admitedly, but it is a consul that is a specific legion)
30/11 - Dark Emissary
7/12 - Saboteur

In less then a month, they've announced 3 (4ish) legion consuls. I'd give pretty good odds of your precious Ravenguard getting theirs!

Now go back and look at how many of those Legions already had characters. Raven Guard are way overdue.

I'd be less irritated if Raven Guard were swimming in 40k releases, but that ain't happening either.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Now go back and look at how many of those Legions already had characters. Raven Guard are way overdue.

Not at all relevent to the point at hand, which is, Legion specific consuls.

I'd be less irritated if Raven Guard were swimming in 40k releases, but that ain't happening either.

Again, not relevent to the point at hand, less so even as it's 40k and not 30k.
Stay with us here Kan, don't get sidetracked.

 Snrub wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Now go back and look at how many of those Legions already had characters. Raven Guard are way overdue.

Not at all relevent to the point at hand, which is, Legion specific consuls.

You tried to make it sound like I'm just being impatient for a specific model.
No, I'm being "impatient" for any model. Hence why I said "way overdue" and brought up the idea of looking back.

Although given that this seems to be Mark 5, it's less likely than you're trying to make it out to be.

Voss wrote:

Masters of misdirection, a Saboteur Consul can stroll into the ranks of their opponent without revealing themselves, masking their presence to create havoc, spoil defences, or eliminate high-ranking targets.

The constant problem of alpha legion (and other 'sneaky' space marines): How?

Is there magic involved? Camouflaged plates? Stealth field projectors? No one in the galaxy is going to take a look at this guy and think 'yep, definitely NOT alpha legion. Must be one of ours'

Is it a nice model? Sure. But the idea that he can stroll about without a reveal is extremely, utterly silly.

With the Raven Guard it is literally magic. Their ability to blend in with shadows is Actually Supernatural and all that, and Corax and shadow-teleport. The Alpha Legion OTOH are just really, really good. And also covered in chameleon weave and sensor baffles and grav-nullifiers to make their tread lighter.

Ahhhhhhhhh... I was this close to greatness...

Nice Model though.

Voss wrote:

Masters of misdirection, a Saboteur Consul can stroll into the ranks of their opponent without revealing themselves, masking their presence to create havoc, spoil defences, or eliminate high-ranking targets.

The constant problem of alpha legion (and other 'sneaky' space marines): How?

Is there magic involved? Camouflaged plates? Stealth field projectors? No one in the galaxy is going to take a look at this guy and think 'yep, definitely NOT alpha legion. Must be one of ours'

Is it a nice model? Sure. But the idea that he can stroll about without a reveal is extremely, utterly silly.

You can't see him because he has a camouflage cape. He turns around and like that... he's gone. Like in the second image I was confused - I see 2 side shots of an Alpha Legion consul, but then why did they include a random picture of a void shield generator? Oh wait, it's Alpharius!

My favorite thing about Marines with camo cloaks, which this one highlights really well, is that they basically have to moonwalk towards the enemy to get any use out of it.

 Snrub wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure we will.

9/11 - Stormseer
23/11 - 1k Sons Libarian (not a legion specific consul admitedly, but it is a consul that is a specific legion)
30/11 - Dark Emissary
7/12 - Saboteur

In less then a month, they've announced 3 (4ish) legion consuls. I'd give pretty good odds of your precious Ravenguard getting theirs!

Raven Guard don’t actually have a legion specific consul to get a model of though, unlike the ones we’ve got so far (TS aside). Maybe they’ll get a vigilator or something in the vein of said TS librarian, but they could do with their Praetor models first.

Very nice AL model, uses the same excellent style of helmet as the terminator praetor.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure we will.

9/11 - Stormseer
23/11 - 1k Sons Libarian (not a legion specific consul admitedly, but it is a consul that is a specific legion)
30/11 - Dark Emissary
7/12 - Saboteur

In less then a month, they've announced 3 (4ish) legion consuls. I'd give pretty good odds of your precious Ravenguard getting theirs!

Raven Guard don’t actually have a legion specific consul to get a model of though, unlike the ones we’ve got so far (TS aside). Maybe they’ll get a vigilator or something in the vein of said TS librarian, but they could do with their Praetor models first.

all the more reason to give them a jumppack praetor.

No seriously.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Raven Guard don’t actually have a legion specific consul to get a model of though,

Ah well...
I didn't know they didn't have one. But then other then a slightly more the cursory glance, can't say ive paid much attention to their rules. Sort of renders the whole point moot I guess.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Alpha Legion Sabotadger

He's stealthy because he has a cloak.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Alpha Legion Sabotadger

He's stealthy because he has a cloak.

It should have had a high collar like some sort of opera villain.

JoyToy Reveals:

Ah excellent a commemorative figure of a power armour design that doesn't exist.

Mad. Been waiting for these guys.

What do these joytoy fellas normally retail for?

 Snrub wrote:
What do these joytoy fellas normally retail for?

It varies massively - have a look at Cool Toys Club. The basic, mass-produced ones can be cheap but it's inconsistent.


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MK LLL?

Did something change and we're up to Mark 150 now in lore?

Interesting that it's the older MK3 kit and not the redesigned version

 GaroRobe wrote:
Interesting that it's the older MK3 kit and not the redesigned version

May depend on the lead time for designing the toy

beast_gts wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
What do these joytoy fellas normally retail for?

It varies massively - have a look at Cool Toys Club. The basic, mass-produced ones can be cheap but it's inconsistent.

And IF pricing direct from GW - Warhammer Merch.

Alpha Legion Saboteur Consul – Pre-order from 23rd of December
Thousand Sons Librarian Consul – Pre-order from 16th of December

Sunday Preview – Kill Team: Salvation Stalks Into View

 Snrub wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Raven Guard don’t actually have a legion specific consul to get a model of though,

Ah well...
I didn't know they didn't have one. But then other then a slightly more the cursory glance, can't say ive paid much attention to their rules. Sort of renders the whole point moot I guess.

Kind of like the Iron Warriors. They don't have a Praetor either. Though they do have the Terminators with cyclone missiles and then the guardians for Perterabo. The Raven Guard have the jump pack marines and sniper marines. The tie breaker is that there was a special character that was a special edition model about 8-9 years ago.

Have many people got their Assault Marines today? Element were shorted on their order and are awaiting more stock and saw none in the Coventry Warhammer shop or local FLGS this morning.

My FLGS doesn't have any of today's releases. It has become the norm for them to arrive middle of the following week at the earliest, despite the FLGS submitting their order day 1. Owner says the fethup is with either the GW rep in charge of the zone or the outgoing UPS hub. UPS losing entire pallets has also become a regular occurrence.

Been pretty normal here for half a year more. Bit improved since 2 week preorder started but still not quaranteed.

My flgs still waiting most of li stuff...some arrived thursday but starters still MIA. (other branches of same store got right away and other stores in same city got so for all intents and purposes random)

None of the local gaming stores in the Helsinki area received MKVI Assault squads yet. I have a reservation going on two of them, Warhammer Helsinki said "we dont stock Heresy items unless ordered separately".. I hope they will still arrive before new years to other stores

Seems like the best chance for scoring a product on official release day over here is by preordering from GW website and having it delivered to the local Warhamer store. Not ideal (no way to buy in installments or getting discounts)

It has been an odd release, have not seen anything from the usual influencers either. We got the Warcom article with GW staffer versions and that was about it.

I suppose the healthiest "solution" is to simply relinquish the expectation of having new releases on release day. It's a sad state of affairs, GW deliveries used to be absolutely impeccable here outside the few months immediately following Brexit.

Update for Australia/Kiwiland:

Mk.VI Jumpy Marines will be on pre-order this weekend.

FLGS had the 2 sets I asked for available on release day, no problems. VA, US for the location. Nice easy kit to put together.

Its kind of funny that I have already bought MKVI Assault bitz, yet am unable to buy the whole kit.. Xmas flocking up the whole package delivery industry this time around

Apothecaries

Hitting it out of the park again.

Looks like the old Mk 2 and 4 apothecary kit is gone though.

Will we see a Mk V and/or VI Techmarine next?

Ooh, pretty!

Like both except the helmet on the MKV guy.

He will survive in his MkV , in his MkV he will survive.

I wish one still had MkIV armour but they do look great.

Did either the SoH or IF get an official 'old school' Apothecary colour scheme?

Todays articles don't seem to be showing up on Warcom, so thanks for the link.

Nice models as usual although surprised they'll be in resin as they're not legion-specific.

I did really think they would be in plastic tbh.

But anyway, they are pretty nice.

No Heresy Thursday today?

 Malika2 wrote:
No Heresy Thursday today?

Apothecaries

Not bad, but I assumed we’d get a plastic mk6 apothecary in the future plastic command squad. A different armor mk may have made this more enticing

Wow, these look so bland compared to the MK2/3 and MK4 ones.

Also, appears MKV Assault marines are also gone. Damn, I really liked them :(

Fabulous! MkV helmet looks a bit weird though, hope they change that should this mark ever get a plastic squad.

Wonder if this means that the Command Squad won't have Apothecary bitz?

Even if the command squad has apothecary parts, they will likely be a lot more generic to use on various poses, jump packers, jetbikes, ect.The Mk VI with apron will still stand out.

Seems likely that MkV plastics are coming sooner than anticipated based on this (and the removal of some of the resin mkv kits), no?

A bit disappointed by this release being in resin though. Was hoping we'd get plastic command squad kits or "detachment" kits for things like Apothecaries, tech marines, etc.

Apothecary wouldn't have been in a Command Squad box because HH Command Squads don't have them.

Well those are both fantastic.

Those do look quite nice!

 Gert wrote:
Apothecary wouldn't have been in a Command Squad box because HH Command Squads don't have them.

I mean, I personally assumed it would be less command *squad* and more just "command". IE another box of 10-20 minis with lots of options to make tech marines, apothecaries, praetor and some consuls, etc.

Otherwise I don't really see the point in having a specific kit, you basically just need an upgrade sprue paired with a box of legionnaires or Assault marines and you'd be able to accomplish the same thing.

It's gw. Bespoke kits at least it's not full on no model no rules.

I like the very subtle tactical rocks both models apparently have

Apothecaries look great! It does make me wonder if we will ever see a plastic MKV kit, all those studs would tricky to pull off on a plastic sprue but if the new MKIII are anything to go by, GW have gotten pretty good at that sort of detail.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, I personally assumed it would be less command *squad* and more just "command". IE another box of 10-20 minis with lots of options to make tech marines, apothecaries, praetor and some consuls, etc.

Otherwise I don't really see the point in having a specific kit, you basically just need an upgrade sprue paired with a box of legionnaires or Assault marines and you'd be able to accomplish the same thing.

Not sure why you would think that would happen when it's not been the case so far.


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 Commander Cain wrote:
Apothecaries look great! It does make me wonder if we will ever see a plastic MKV kit, all those studs would tricky to pull off on a plastic sprue but if the new MKIII are anything to go by, GW have gotten pretty good at that sort of detail.

I'm thinking we might see MkV and possibly MkII make a return as FW products in the newer scale. Would be nice to get some MkII again.

Honestly would have preffered a plastic upgrade kit, a single sprue would have surficed. Few different arms, techy bits lights and shoulder saws. Maybe a head/shoulder in a few different marks. But, i guess that's what 3d printing is for eh?

They're wonderful and all, but resin and paired in 2 different marks. If you're doing an all mk6 or 5 army it's a bit of a annoyance.

 Gert wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I mean, I personally assumed it would be less command *squad* and more just "command". IE another box of 10-20 minis with lots of options to make tech marines, apothecaries, praetor and some consuls, etc.

Otherwise I don't really see the point in having a specific kit, you basically just need an upgrade sprue paired with a box of legionnaires or Assault marines and you'd be able to accomplish the same thing.

Not sure why you would think that would happen when it's not been the case so far.

Not sure what you mean? Instead of giving us special and heavy weapon squads they gave us upgrade sprues, so theres a pretty clear precedent set already. The same roadmap that tells us a command squad kit is coming in the spring also tells us it will be accompanied by what seems to be melee weapon sprues (presumably for despoiler squads and alternate melee weapon options for various units that are not currently supported in plastic), which is further precedent. I can't imagine why they would feel the need to introduce a bespoke command squad kit for a unit thats really just made distinct by its wargear swaps. I'm sure they'll probably be in fancier armor and the like, but you could have just stuck some fancy shoulder pads, heads and backpacks onto the upgrade sprue and achieved the same effect - chances are most people will probably end up using legion specific resin upgrades for that sort of thing anyway. Especially when you consider that a command squad can be in artificer power armor, terminator armor, cataphracti armor, or have jump packs, jetbikes, artificer armor, etc. If GW wants to give us one kit that can make all of those things, then ok, I guess I'll accept it as an alternative to an upgrade sprue... but we all know they aren't going to actually do that, so wasting our time and their production slots releasing one of the like 5-6 different command squad kits they will need to drop in order to cover all their options doesn't make sense to me. I'd rather they just released a set of upgrade sprues that fits together with the legion tacticals/assault marines/jetbike squad to make a command version of those units, and another ste of sprues for cataphracti/tartaros terminators to do the same. Then they can move on to giving us stuff that actually matters like breacher marines or destroyers.

cody.d. wrote:
Honestly would have preffered a plastic upgrade kit, a single sprue would have surficed. Few different arms, techy bits lights and shoulder saws. Maybe a head/shoulder in a few different marks. But, i guess that's what 3d printing is for eh?

They're wonderful and all, but resin and paired in 2 different marks. If you're doing an all mk6 or 5 army it's a bit of a annoyance.

A plastic kit or upgrade sprue would of course have been preferable, but I think this is a pretty good 'second best'. I like the design of these, even if they are perhaps a bit more WH40k-like than the previous FW Apothecaries were. Also - the recent FW character models have a nice uniformity of style, a clean finish and are beautifully cast (I have a couple of them). Having resisted including FW character models in my HH stuff, I am now pretty happy adding a few of them. Including these 2.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
...I'd rather they just released a set of upgrade sprues that fits together with the legion tacticals/assault marines/jetbike squad to make a command version of those units, and another ste of sprues for cataphracti/tartaros terminators to do the same. Then they can move on to giving us stuff that actually matters like breacher marines or destroyers.

I am struggling to imagine what this command squad would actually include (apart from a banner, which is really what distinguishes a command squad visually). Assuming it is really just an upgrade sprue (probably compatible with both the Mk VI and the new Mark III models), it seems as though it would mostly be weapons. I suppose they could include some fancy helmets and maybe pauldrons (for both armour types?), but that doesn't sound very exciting.

I just think it's cool that they remembered Mk.V exists.

Guys c'mon we already know it will be literally this



With or without bodies included, but guaranteed to be designed for Mk6.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just think it's cool that they remembered Mk.V exists.

I think Mk V should be the next armour type that they do in plastic (assuming they intend to do more). I don't think the studs would stop them from representing this type in plastic - it would just mean some additional parts.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
With or without bodies included, but guaranteed to be designed for Mk6.

Quite possibly. But that still doesn't give much indication of what will be in the set. Remove the commander figure (which seems to be modelled on the plastic Praetor), and all you're left with is some fancy weapons and crests, and maybe some loincloths.

I really like the apothecaries!

The MkV head looks a bit like an Indomitus Terminator snout.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
The MkV head looks a bit like an Indomitus Terminator snout.

Mmm, yes, and if deliberately so a callback to how it was originally described in that White Dwarf article from 1990. Definitely a change to the existing, MKVII-ish, MkV FW helmets and presumably not a one-off, for better or worse.

Isn’t the MkV helm supposed to be a direct relation of the classic terminator helm? Like one was developed from the other? I’m pretty sure that has been in the lore for years.

Hmm I've never seen that 1990 source and I'm definitely aware of a terminatory influence, more or less pronounced, on every instance of Mk5 helms GW/FW makes, usually through the rounded, filled in "cheeks" around the side nozzle things, which, interestingly, are not noticeable here, rather the whole helm is a little wedge shaped.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hmm I've never seen that 1990 source and I'm definitely aware of a terminatory influence, more or less pronounced, on every instance of Mk5 helms GW/FW makes, usually through the rounded, filled in "cheeks" around the side nozzle things, which, interestingly, are not noticeable here, rather the whole helm is a little wedge shaped.

I think the influence has always been there, but it's waxed and waned over the years and the current ones do, to me, recall "chonky MkVII" more than anything else. The new one definitely has more of a snout, and the eye shape is closer to Indomitus too.

There's a newer version of the article on WarCom (Power Armour Through the Ages), which says:

The bulldog-like Mk. V helmet is based on the Terminator helmet.

This is a pretty cool rendition. Again I would say it's more the width of the cheeks than the length of the snout.

From White Dwarf 129 - "The helmet type (illustrated) is a spin-off from the Terminator development program, an early type of pre-production helmet, sharing the same type of auto-sense components as contemporary Terminator suits."

It looks ok I guess but I feel like they could have put more studs on it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I just think it's cool that they remembered Mk.V exists.

Oh yeah. Mark FIIIVVVVEEE baby!

Love it. Now, I wonder how easy (or difficult) it will be to slap a jump pack on that bad boy?

So, Solar Auxilia seem to be "Out of Stock Online" now.
Seems that pretty much confirms them as the Mystery Army which honestly I was not expecting.

So for solar aux, kit speculation? Def infantry box, special weapon upgrade set. Russ hull and turret to go with the existing tracks and sides sprue. Malcador hull with gun or dracosian parts. Ogryn and sentinels. Maybe rapier and command squad.

That's my guess for plastic. Baneblade will probably be a resin upgrade for the plast8c kit.

the rumors from valrak were an army box with infantry, a leman russ, dracosian and a "command Sentinel" which most people have figured is the new sentinel that comes in legion imperials.

I would just take the current line and assume at least all of the Infantry will be moved over unless any remain available on the GW webstore.
I'll be interested to see how the Heavy Sentinel fits in seeing as it's currently the only potential model without rules in Liber Imperium.

 lurch wrote:
the rumors from valrak were an army box with infantry, a leman russ, dracosian and a "command Sentinel" which most people have figured is the new sentinel that comes in legion imperials.

Specifically his rumours are:

Infantry
Either a command squad or a command sentinel
Leman Russ variant
A heavy transport

The Sentinel in LI doesn't have any command version so I think a normal Command Squad is likelier especially since that would be a pretty important release and the Dracosan wasn't specified, just a heavy transport. Which is very very likely the Dracosan but could theoretically be something new

Dracosan is likely, since they can split the sprues so the two track assemblies and belly can be on their own sprue(s) and reused for malcador tank variants

I reckon we'll see first wave kits for
-Command Section (5 Man)
-Rifle Section (20 Man)
-Veletaris Storm upgrade kit (20 Volkite Chargers/Storm Axes)
-Veletaris Vanguard upgrade kit (20 Rotor Cannons/Heavy Flamers)
-Dracosan or Aurox
-Leman Russ Strike

And second wave kits for
-Ogryns
-Medicae
-Dracosan or Aurox (whatever didn't get released 1st wave)
-Rapiers
-Leman Russ Assault

Beyond that, who knows.
Of course the above is a speculative release wave governed by some sort of logic, so therefore GW will probably not do anything close to that and instead we'll get something entirely scattershot spread out over the better part of 2 years.


Or they'll pull a swifty and blindside us with mechanicum....

I doubt we'll see the Veletaris as an upgrade kit, as they are a bit more bulky and armoured than their regular Auxilia counterparts.

But fingers crossed that this is happening soon, I did snatch the last set of resin flamers from the webstore a bit ago hehe, they were immediately listed as sold out after I had placed my order.

Hopefully a command squad will also include a Legate commander, an absolute must-have for Auxilia armies.

And hell yes if a plastic Dracosan is happening, this would mean plastic Malcadors next.

Ah the Veletaris are a bit bulkier aren't they. I'd never noticed it. Well then maybe that means we'd get a volkite Veletaris squad with options for axes and then an upgrade kit for the other weapons. The flamers have a fuel tank mounted on their backpack so a rotorcannon w/ammo backpack would make sense and would help bulk out the sprues a bit.

Heavy void armour versus regular void armour IIRC?

I'd love to see rotor cannon Veletaris finally happen, just for the sake of rule of cool if nothing else ha!

Units properly sold out would be

Lasrifle Section
Veletaris Storm Section
Tactical Command
Basilisk
Malcador Annihilator

So I guess that's the launch box, unless there's also units that never had a resin model.

Well thats the rumor, a "Command Sentinel" which might be the Heavy Sentinel from Legions Imperialis, or might be something else entirely.

The Tactical Command box is a bit tricky though. They have a lot of different weapon and wargear options depending on whether they are an HQ command, a veletaris command, or a line command. Frankly, I don't think there can be a single command box, especially if we are in agreement that the Veletaris have different armor - that alone would necessitate a separate veletaris command box that is different from the command for lasrifle sections. As the HQ command is technically 6-11 models (it includes a Captain/Marshal), I expect what you will actually see is:

Lasrifle Section (20 man)
Veletaris Section (I assume 10 man box w/all weapon options present, otherwise you may see 2 boxes one for Storm one for Vanguard, or one kit and an upgrade sprue)
5-man Veletaris Command
5-man Line Command
11-man Tactical Command
I'm tempted to say there would be a 10-man Companion squad box as well, but I think these end up being an upgrade sprue used with one of the other boxes as the main difference is just weapon options available.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well thats the rumor, a "Command Sentinel" which might be the Heavy Sentinel from Legions Imperialis, or might be something else entirely.

The Tactical Command box is a bit tricky though. They have a lot of different weapon and wargear options depending on whether they are an HQ command, a veletaris command, or a line command. Frankly, I don't think there can be a single command box, especially if we are in agreement that the Veletaris have different armor - that alone would necessitate a separate veletaris command box that is different from the command for lasrifle sections. As the HQ command is technically 6-11 models (it includes a Captain/Marshal), I expect what you will actually see is:

Lasrifle Section (20 man)
Veletaris Section (I assume 10 man box w/all weapon options present, otherwise you may see 2 boxes one for Storm one for Vanguard, or one kit and an upgrade sprue)
5-man Veletaris Command
5-man Line Command
11-man Tactical Command
I'm tempted to say there would be a 10-man Companion squad box as well, but I think these end up being an upgrade sprue used with one of the other boxes as the main difference is just weapon options available.

Just because they have a bunch of options in the rules doesn't mean the kit will have all of them. I expect one command kit thats the exact same as the current resin one just in plastic, maybe with some weapon options for the bodyguards. Would also equal the Legions Imperialis command base.
Everything else you will have to kitbash or they might make some more resin kits.

For the most part, the plastic kits that GW has released for Astartes thus far are pretty comprehensive of most if not all of the options available to a given unit (even if they do end up splitting them across multiple kits/upgrade frames, etc.) barring anything which might be legion specific. I see no reason to assume why they would treat SA any differently.

Yes that sounds a bit optimistic to me. How about a 2x3" command sprue thrown in each box instead.

Heresy24 article.


Herald/Command Squad, Solar Aux and some sort of funky light sentinal mobile gun platform type thing.

OMG, that mini-sentinel is just awesome!

The Sentinel looks like it's a throwback to the classic walking egg from back in the day.

But yay, plastic Auxilia incoming at least, hopefully they don't go too GW with it and stick unnecessary guns and gak everywhere.

Gimme!

Wow, that Sentinel looks bloody awesome!

Looks like it's meant to be a riff on the "fire support" Sentinel concept.

Ooo


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Am I wrong in thinking the banner bearer is in mk 3 armor?

Ok, I may be sold on adding Solar Auxila now thanks to Tweety there.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking the banner bearer is in mk 3 armor?

Looks like it to me.

I hope that doesn't count as our Heresy Thursday preview >.>

I just assumed the Banner man was MkVI at first, but on a 2nd viewing it looks as if it might be MkIII.

Which means that it is either a herald, or the incoming command squad (if there is indeed one coming) isn't the same as the Legion Imperialis version.


Ninja'd by GaroRobe.