Greetings everyone. . If you would forgive me for a moment, I would like to take a moment of your time and talk about my upcoming game This Is Not a Test. It is a skirmish warband game inspired by Fallout, Gamma World, and more books, movies, and comics than you can shake a rat-on-a-stick at. It's 28mm, but works in any scale really, and features approximately 200 pages of post-apocalyptic goodness. To start things off I have started a little blog-like thing called Dispatches from the Wastes. The first topic is what miniatures work for the game, short answer they all do. I encourage you to check out my website, Facebook page, and the dispatches for all kinds of pictures, previews, and assorted goofiness. As always I appreciate comments, questions, criticism, or anything else on your mind really. I thank everyone for their time.
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Kudos to this. The rules look simple and interesting. Nothing too surprising from the truncated description on the website, but to me the game looks like it has a solid base on which to apply characterful and game-defining skills/abilities/scenarios/etc.
Your scenery is also very nice, and I am excited about seeing more. It is unfortunate that I likely won't have much time anywhere soon to get into TNT, but I will recommend it around the FLGS. Someone else my be interested in eventually taking the reins on a campaign, and I certainly have time to put together a gang!
Of course, I am already thinking that I could make a quick mold of some street paving, cast it in dental plaster, and smash it up for some nice ruined roadways!
The limiting factor for me personally is that I don't have a good collection of thematic terrain, although a few modern terrain pieces could help turn my extensive western and gorkamorka terrain collections into an -end of New Mexico wasteland type of game. A couple of weapon swaps, kitbashing, and a few Zinge Industries flexible ammo belts could certainly turn some spare cowboys into a thematic TNT gang.
As I have always said, desert terrain is some of the most versatile.
Thanks for replies. The RV was built by me and was painted by painting virtuoso Greg Zuniga. When the book comes out, it's hidden in all of the major table shots. It gets around.
In regards to terrain, you are quite right that desert terrain is versatile and is great for that dirty wasteland feel. I would also recommend, and my own pictures reflect this, that the wasteland need not be shades of brown, but with plenty of green and yellow. No full on trees and verdant fields mind you, but patchy grasses and low lying bushes really make the battlefield pop. I do plan to dedicate an upcoming dispatch to discussing this very topic. The fun of the genre means that anything goes, so finding terrain should be a simple and fun process.
It's been a long time coming. Been working on it for a couple of years now. I'm in for the long game, so I didn't want to rush any part of the rules, miniatures, art, etc. However, I can appreciate you anticipation. My hope is to launch within the next month.
Nice. Have you read the book by Cormac McCarthy, "The Road"? I think it's spot on for what it would be like, ugly and dark. Forget the movie The Road, it can't begin to touch the book, I picked it up during a very late nigh commute to my family, and I couldn't stop reading it until there were no more pages to turn.
anyway back to your skirmish game:
Looks great, I'm checking out the content and it looks pretty cool so far, that's a bunch of work you've put into it!
I have not seen the movie, but have indeed read the book. Man, it's a real dark ride. My wasteland tends to run slightly more zany and definitely less fatalist. There is some great scenes though, like the abandoned train, the undiscovered bunker, and swimming out to search the ship. Definitely some great terrain ideas.
Color me very interested. Someone here on Dakka (Brother Vinni?) does 'not' Fallout figures in 28mm as well. I'm going to be watching this with great interest!
Color me very interested. Someone here on Dakka (Brother Vinni?) does 'not' Fallout figures in 28mm as well. I'm going to be watching this with great interest!
I almost pulled the trigger on the whole range of those just last week. They are some nice-looking models. I had to say, 'Pace yourself, man. You go buying a whole set of those miniatures and then you are going to need retro-sci fi cars, brahmins, a subway tunnel network...' Give a wargamer a miniature...he's going to want some paint...
Finish a few more projects first Weeble, finish a few more projects. I will, however, casually keep telling the guys down at the shop about This is Not a Test...maybe somebody else will build the fully modeled subway system that we clearly can't live without.
deathwing wrote: It's been a long time coming. Been working on it for a couple of years now. I'm in for the long game, so I didn't want to rush any part of the rules, miniatures, art, etc. However, I can appreciate you anticipation. My hope is to launch within the next month.
What will be offered/available when you launch the game? Rule book, models, starter set? Just curious.
I almost pulled the trigger on the whole range of those just last week. They are some nice-looking models. I had to say, 'Pace yourself, man. You go buying a whole set of those miniatures and then you are going to need retro-sci fi cars, brahmins, a subway tunnel network...' Give a wargamer a miniature...he's going to want some paint...
Am I the only one who got the "give a mouse a cookie" children's book reference? Only a father of 3 would find that completely appropriate and equally hilarious!
I totally feel you with the too many unfinished projects...I love making terrain too, so this game would keep me busy for years if I had no other miniatures game projects in the queue...as It turns out though, I have ALL of the miniatures games in the queue...
Commenting to sub.
I am definitely going to have to keep my eyes on this. With my gaming group all hating 7e 40k, I might finally have a game to use all of these painted post-apoc models with.
I'm a bit late to the party, but my club was one of the playtesters for this game. Overall, the club really enjoyed it. The mechanics are solid and It has a very nice campaign system that was very reminiscent of necromunda, but a wider in scope allowing for the development of all kinds of post-apoc warbands.
The club tried about 5 different post apoc rulesets before setting on TNT as our ruleset of choice for our campaign. You can see a couple of our AAR's here… http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/search?q=TNT … though I don't know what changes might have been made since we played.
Very glad to see this making it's way toward publication!
Just reading the basic descriptions the system struck me as nothing amazingly new or wildly innovative, but solid, functional, and familiar without being too much of the same thing.
Personally, I think that's fine for a rule set, especially if it is paired with engaging thematic character and fluff, and seeded with a few pleasant surprises.
That's what has always kept Mordheim's charm, despite the somewhat clunky rules. I like the way This is Not a Test is being presented this far. I really hope I can get someone to take the reins on it locally. I just don't have the time to spearhead another club-oriented gaming project. Time to participate though.
trollmeat wrote: ^you could do what I did and silently Subscribe using the button in the bottom left corner, so you can be interested without showing interest. ;-)
You beat me to it!
You'd be surprised at how many people don't know about/use the 'subscribe' feature and instead think that they have to post in a thread in order to track it!
trollmeat wrote: ^you could do what I did and silently Subscribe using the button in the bottom left corner, so you can be interested without showing interest. ;-)
You beat me to it!
You'd be surprised at how many people don't know about/use the 'subscribe' feature and instead think that they have to post in a thread in order to track it!
It's the location of the sucribe link. You have to scroll past the text and reply box to even see it.
I've been posting here for 8 years and never noticed it.
trollmeat wrote: ^you could do what I did and silently Subscribe using the button in the bottom left corner, so you can be interested without showing interest. ;-)
You beat me to it!
You'd be surprised at how many people don't know about/use the 'subscribe' feature and instead think that they have to post in a thread in order to track it!
It's the location of the sucribe link. You have to scroll past the text and reply box to even see it.
I've been posting here for 8 years and never noticed it.
I had no idea it was there, because it's at the bottom of the page, where you typically find copyright info and other useless stuff. No one would ever look there.
...I signed up ~4 months ago and I had already found it
Wait, what was this thread about again? D-: Oh, right. I started skimming the rules but am too easily distracted so haven't gotten back to it, but, by subscribing to the thread I'll keep getting reminded to properly check it out each time someone replies :-P
...I signed up ~4 months ago and I had already found it
Wait, what was this thread about again? D-: Oh, right. I started skimming the rules but am too easily distracted so haven't gotten back to it, but, by subscribing to the thread I'll keep getting reminded to properly check it out each time someone replies :-P
Exalted!
trollmeat proves that there is indeed hope for the future!
I know where the "sub" button is. LOL Been using it for years.
Had I done that, however, it wouldn't have shared my opinion that I hate 7e40K (:wink: LOL) and that I'm glad I might finally have a game to use these other models with.
It also wouldn't have given the thread a deserved BUMP to the top.
Funnily, had I not added the FIRST line, nobody would've through twice about the appropriateness of my comment.
Sorry, I totally forgot to check updates. I guess I should subscribe too. A couple of responsse to the questions and comments.
Byte - I have not read the Genesis of Shanarra, but in my younger days I did read the first two books of the Knight of the Word trilogy, which Wikipedia tells me form the prequel of sorts to the series. That's kind of a fun coincidence. I will add these books to the growing pile of PA stuff. It mentions elves, so I assume it's some type of post-apocalypse fantasy, which is great if it is. I totally want to do a ruleset for the type of game some day. It should go without saying I love Mordheim for that reason.
Fango - Funny you should mention Brother Vinni. All his miniatures work for the game. Mind you power armor and stuff like plasma rifles and laser carbine are really going to eat into your warband cost, but hey it's there if you want it. I will mention that Brother Vinni sculpted the gas-mask girl, you see her in the cover of the book, who is the mascot for my company World's End Publishing.
Weeble - I used to ride the DC metro to work. Trust me I have thought about recreating it in miniature. The challenge is you really need a lot of physical real estate to pull it off, which I don't have. All my terrain has to be fairly portable. I have been exploring doing more above ground trains, either using O scale trains or possibly a laser cut one if a company decides make it. For instance there is one in the pictures going around for the Batman miniatures game.
Kellevil - Release date is fluid right now. The book is finished and in layout. My layout guy has been swamped with projects, so that has pushed my timeline back a bit. In the meantime, I have been working on the miniature side. Right now I hope to have everything within the next month. For our initial offerings there will be the following:
gas-mask girl, with multiple weapon options
five peacekeepers, who are based partly on a combination of state police troopers and the NCR rangers, with a lot of options
radroach, bring a very big shoe
five mutants rats, inspired by the old GW Necromunda ones
robot, with multiple arm options
psychic husk. think brain-fried psyker floating around
razor rattler, really big snake
six mutants that were once part of the old Demon Blade range. Remolded and ready for action.
Five mutants (still be sculpted), with a crazy amount of head and arm options
That's is the starting line-up.
Eilif - Thanks for the shout out. You folks were instrumental in bringing the game forward. The basic rules are more or less intact, but the rest has been tightened or improved.
Once again thanks to the Dakka community for the interest. By the way for pics of stuff please like us on Facebook. I tend to keep that the most updated.
Byte - I have not read the Genesis of Shanarra, but in my younger days I did read the first two books of the Knight of the Word trilogy, which Wikipedia tells me form the prequel of sorts to the series. That's kind of a fun coincidence. I will add these books to the growing pile of PA stuff. It mentions elves, so I assume it's some type of post-apocalypse fantasy, which is great if it is. I totally want to do a ruleset for the type of game some day. It should go without saying I love Mordheim for that reason.
Think fantasy world being born out of a post-apocalypse environment. So yes, Your assumption is correct. Looking forward to TNT. Don't forget Rad-Zombies!
Pam Poovey would be awesome, especially if you can showcase her bad-ass back tatoo. Did you see Hasslefree Miniatures not-Archer and not-Lana? Very cool. Yes, those WGF box sets are dang near perfect for entire gangs for TNT. In that vein Necromunda gangs work as well and I have wanted to get the culttists from the Dark Vegeance set for a raider warband.
deathwing wrote: Pam Poovey would be awesome, especially if you can showcase her bad-ass back tatoo. Did you see Hasslefree Miniatures not-Archer and not-Lana? Very cool. Yes, those WGF box sets are dang near perfect for entire gangs for TNT. In that vein Necromunda gangs work as well and I have wanted to get the culttists from the Dark Vegeance set for a raider warband.
Yea. I picked up the Tec-9 chic at the resin master premium, but I am going to have wait for the others to come out in metal. I need to do some cutting on the other two and I don't want to spend $20 on a high fidelity cast that I am going to cut bits off of.
I had to pick up that whole WGF box to get Pam, but that's the best base for Pam I have been able to find. Unfortunately, the only arms that are designed to work with that body are the rocket launcher arms, but a little conversion work will sort that out.
Looks cool, had a gander at the website, noticed this under rules > turn sequence.
"Initiative Phase: Each Player rolls a D10 and adds any scenario-specific modifiers to the roll. The highest score activates first in the turn. T
ies should be rerolled until there is a winner. Initiative order is determined each turn. Players attempt to activate as many of their figures as possible before initiative passes to his opponent, who will then try to activate as many their figures before initiative passes on to the next player, or back to the opponent."
You need to get someone to move that T and the end of the first paragraph to the start of the second.
Kellevil - Release date is fluid right now. The book is finished and in layout. My layout guy has been swamped with projects, so that has pushed my timeline back a bit. In the meantime, I have been working on the miniature side. Right now I hope to have everything within the next month. For our initial offerings there will be the following:
gas-mask girl, with multiple weapon options
five peacekeepers, who are based partly on a combination of state police troopers and the NCR rangers, with a lot of options
radroach, bring a very big shoe
five mutants rats, inspired by the old GW Necromunda ones
robot, with multiple arm options
psychic husk. think brain-fried psyker floating around
razor rattler, really big snake
six mutants that were once part of the old Demon Blade range. Remolded and ready for action.
Five mutants (still be sculpted), with a crazy amount of head and arm options
That's is the starting line-up.
Thanks, sounds like enough awesome models to get a feel for the wasteland!
Absolutely, the rulebook will be available first as a PDF.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So I've been slowly showing off the upcoming miniatures that can be purchased once the store goes live in a few weeks. First up we have the Old School Mutants. These were originally part of the Demonblade Line way back in the 1990's. I tried to find out who sculpted them, but so far no luck as multiple sculptors worked on the line and individual works cannot be pinpointed. I purchased these lovelies from Megaminis as they just ooze post-apocalypse character. They would make great additions to any mutant Outcast or Downwinder warband and can be used to represent any number of mutations featured in This Is Not a Test. They will be available to purchase in packs of three or all six with can be had for discount price. Here they are painted and unpainted. Paint jobs by Steve Dake. Pictures by Dave Taylor Miniatures.
Love the look of this game! Also refreshing that you're not doing a Kickstarter, although I would love to get my hands on some nice package deals of your rulebook + minis, so hmm....
Love paintjob on these mutants. Good figs that have always suffered from middling paintjobs whenever they were featured online. Finally they get the treatment they deserve!
I'm pretty sure some of weapons at least were sculpted by Bobby Jackson. IIRC, some of the first minis to use them were the troopers that were sculpted to expand the line of not-cadians" that were acquired from Grenadier where they had been sold as "K-Force" miniatures.
Lost minis credits the mutant line to the following sculptors: Drew Williams, Bobby Jackson, Jeff Valent, Dave Summers.
I agree Eilif. These mutants are some my favorite miniatures and now I own the rights to them. Pretty cool I think. Also, thanks for the sculpting details. I will make sure that ends up on the website.
Weeble100. I bought the molds from Megaminis and have since remolded them. They are now wholly produced and sold by my company World's End Publishing.
Mymearan. You are right on Kickstarter. Nothing against other companies who rely on the quick scratch, but there is a bit of bloat right now for crowdfunding games and I would like to demonstrate the ability to put product out there before running one. In the future I am considering small ones to help get the warbands out there quicker.
After much work, I have the first battle report for This Is Not a Test ready. Called Give Me Shelter, it's a wasteland tale of derring-do, betrayal, and mutants rats.
Very interesting! The battle reports makes the game seem quite fun, I love that random critters (I assume) can just appear and cause general chaos amongst the gangs. I like the alternating activations. Don't know what to make of the postponed to-wound rolls yet, I didn't really understand that part. And didn't you have a campaign system? Would have loved to see the results of that after the game, Necromunda nut as I am!
Thanks. It really was fun game. It's rewarding to see my friends really put themselves in the game and forge their own narrative. Since you asked, I have added a quick campaign play break down for injuries. There would also be experience, advances, income, relic and equipment purchasing, and the chance to hire freelancers, but that would have been too much for a basic battle report. As you can see by the results, the pendulum can really swing between good and bad results. I think this represents living and dying in the wasteland, though it is rare for one bad game to really decimate a warband entirely. Also for the firing rule, it is one of the more popular aspects of the game. Basically, while a single player is activating, all ranged attacks are considered simultaneous. I think this rewards tactical play as you must decide if you have put in enough shots to kill a model for good or gamble with killing multiple models if you are lucky or no models if not. Thanks for the comments.
It's Raturday folks! It's the nest day of the week. Here are the rats that will be releasing soon. Sculpted by Federico Genovese and painted by Gregory Zuniga. Inspired by the old GW Necromunda rats that are no longer available. If these do well, I will make more with even crazier mutations.
Greetings everyone. Thought I would share a few more models that are coming out.
First, we have the rad roach. Are your boots big enough to stomp this bug? This not-so little guy was sculpted by Peder Bartholdy and painted by Gregory Zuniga.
Next up we have the razor rattler. A nasty varmint ith a nasty disposition and a poisonous bite. Model sculpted by Peder Bartholdy and painted by Tanya Brewer.
Finally, we have gas mask girl, the company mascot for World's End Publishing. She comes with a machete, a choice of heavy pistol or assault rifle, and a golf bag full of problem solvers. Sculpted by Brother Vinni and painted by Tanya Brewer.
That's all for now. More will be coming in the next week or so as we prepare to officially open our store.
All the best.
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youidiotkid wrote: I should have asked this earlier, but where can I find a download for the rules? I don't see a shop on your site.
Sorry, we are not quite there just yet. For info, please check out this dispatch, which discusses this very thing. Thank you for your interest.
For those interested in what This Is Not a Test is like, please check out these nice battle reports players made up for my Cold Wars 2015 game. Both of these were done independently of each other, but I have collected them here for your reading pleasure. I always appreciate when players have a great time. Thanks for looking.
This is awesome. Over the next week, I plan to try out the preview rules on your website in some friendly games. If I'm not planning on running a full campaign, will the rules and stats you have posted be enough for a rough test game?
youidiotkid wrote: This is awesome. Over the next week, I plan to try out the preview rules on your website in some friendly games. If I'm not planning on running a full campaign, will the rules and stats you have posted be enough for a rough test game?
Sounds awesome. You could probably cobble together a sample warband from the various stuff I have put in various places, but I can do you one better. Drop me an email at joey@worldsendpublishing.com and I will send you the mini warbands I use for the various battle reports and convention games. They are more balanced among themselves, and stripped down for ease of play, but they have all the rules needed when combined with the rules preview on the website. I can also send you a quick play sheet to get you started. Note the warbands are not really meant for external use, otherwise they would have a fancier layout and be edited more heavily, so there may be an error or two. But you are welcome to them.
And email replied to. I should mention if anyone else is interested, I can provide these materials to any who want them. Eventually, I will put up a quick play ruleset up.
I tried out the rules you sent me, and had a great time. I have one question, though. How does fleeing from combat work?
Also, I've started a general TNT P&M blog. You can check it out here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/641767.page
The blog is really cool. Keep it up. Mutants are a real dynamic choice of warband simply because they can access mutations, in addition to skills, etc. Also, the modeling potential is so great!
To answer your question, to leave combat, the model must spend an AP during their activation and take either a Strength of Agility test (their choice). On a success they are simply free to move away; on a failure they stay locked in combat. They suffer no other consequences other than losing the AP.
Hey, I was wondering if you guys have any rules available for campaign progression (i.e. skill modifiers) so that my buddies and I could try out our own campaign. I'll send you an email now.
Hi everyone. Thought I would show off the remaining miniatures for Wave 1 of This Is Not a Test. Hope you don't mind but going to throw a lot of picture out you. The current plan is to go live May 1st, but initial supplies will be a limited. Hope to solve that problem quickly.
First up we have the Depend-O-Bot. He's a freelancer that can be added to any warband. He comes with three total arm options.
Next we have the psychic husk, he's the result of psychics frying their brain from two much use. Now he's just a critter than wanders the wastes randomly shooting psychic powers at whoever gets to close.
Then we have our first warband, the Peacekeepers. They keep the peace for a small service fee.
Their leader is the Road Marshall. He comes with two arm options (SMG/Pistol) and two heads (riot helmet and campaign hat).
Next we have an elite option, the Outrider. She comes with a choice of two heads (campaign hat and ponytail).
For boots on the ground, the Peacekeepers have their Officers. This pack comes with two miniatures with two gun options and three different heads (to campaign hats and plain head).
And now the close combat support, the Line-breaker. He comes with two arm options (pistol and riot shield) and two head options (helmet visor up and down).
Finally, to give you a little bit of variety to your forces, we have the Peacekeeper Variant Heads. These will be a moderately priced pack of three heads.
Here is a group shot of the Peacekeepers so you can see how they scale among themselves.
So that’s it. Everything should be ready to go by May 1st. The book is still being laid out, but will show it off as soon as it is ready.
As always check us out on Facebook and at worldsendpublishing.com. Thanks.
Joey McGuire
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here is a quick side by side of my minis with Hasslefree, Judge Dredd, Copplestone, and EM4.
youidiotkid wrote: Looking good. What will you be charging for the book, and will there be some sort of deal available for the lot of miniatures?
To answer your questions, there is in fact full campaign. Full rules for gaining experience, injuries, hiring and firing warband models, buy new equipment, etc. For pricing, I am still working on that. The book is 160 pages full color with art so it will not be on the cheaper end of things, but it will compare favorably to similar rulebooks put out by the bigger companies. And yes, there will be discounts on packs. So if you buy all the peacekkeepers in one go, they are 10% off. I may even do a "one of everything" promotion for with an even bigger discount.
Joey McGuire
World's End Publishing
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Finally, I can show off the covers of the book. Really proud of the effort that has gone into this and I think it shows. We should be releasing this in the beginning of May.
Front Cover
Back Cover
I will provide an update when things are finalized and launched. Thanks everyone.
Took some time to look over the site and I have to say this sounds like a game my group and I could get into. Funny that last week my one buddy brought up how he missed getting drunk and playing some Necromunda.
I'm deffinitely going to be picking up the rulebook soon, I do wish the HC was out for it though. Minis will be the next step once I know what I want to get. This game looks awesome and I love the feel of it. Great job!
Ooh, always love a hardcover, looks great on the shelf with the other books, perhaps not so good for lugging around when gaming, depending on the size of the book.
deathwing wrote: I am currently talking to a printer. I am rally hoping to do a Hard cover, but there are a lot of unknowns with the printing process.
This is the kind of thing you definitely want to get right so it makes sense to take your time. There is a lot of factors in the HC of a new game that can make or break it ( Size/Look/Quality.) Regardless I will picking one up when it comes out.
I'd be down for the hard cover. I've been using the 7Tv ruleset for my current Fallout games, but I'm not sure I can be bothered switching over to the new edition. That and its explicitly made for the setting, whereas this is.
How are animals integrated into games? Are Animal Colonies the only way of having them appear, or can they be selected as part of scenarios, ooh, or turn up as random encounters? Speaking of random encounters is there anything like that in the game (i.e. at points players can roll a dice and then based on a chart something happens)? Can warbands include animals/mutants?
Are there other pieces of equipment rather than just weapons and armour? I.e. radios, sunglasses, flares, different ammo types, whatever?
Heh, and what about vehicles? Rules for larger robots (i.e. 50mm base+)?
What about rules for defending settlements? Is there rules for barricading up buildings? Breaking down flimsy walls? How about mounted weapon positions?
Aye, sorry if I'm just kind of throwing a load of questions at you. I'm curious whether or not I can toss my existing system you see. From what I've seen I'm interested, so rather its just if I have to create some house rules for the odd bits and bobs.
zippo151 wrote: I really like to know if your game is similar to badrollgame punkapocalitic
There's probably some broad similarities, but Punkapocalyptic seems to operate a lot like Necromunda or Mordheim whereas TNT uses a different sort of activation structure that likely makes for a very different gaming experience.
That's a really off the cuff assessment, as I am not terribly familiar with either set of rules.
Speaking of random encounters is there anything like that in the game (i.e. at points players can roll a dice and then based on a chart something happens)?
sorta
Can warbands include animals/mutants?
yes
Are there other pieces of equipment rather than just weapons and armour? I.e. radios, sunglasses, flares, different ammo types, whatever?
yes, plus relic tech items
Heh, and what about vehicles?
no (just use fast travel...)
Rules for larger robots (i.e. 50mm base+)?
sort of, tough bots for brotherhood of steel tech relaimers
What about rules for defending settlements? Is there rules for barricading up buildings? Breaking down flimsy walls? How about mounted weapon positions?
No but sorta. you can make strength or agility tests during the course of a game, all of those are simple things that you could houserule that a test is passed and you can crash through weak walls or get a defensive bonus. if you find yourself unarmed, you can used environmental improvised weapons and even throw them (chairs etc)
Wyrmalla wrote: I'd be down for the hard cover. I've been using the 7Tv ruleset for my current Fallout games, but I'm not sure I can be bothered switching over to the new edition. That and its explicitly made for the setting, whereas this is.
How are animals integrated into games? Are Animal Colonies the only way of having them appear, or can they be selected as part of scenarios, ooh, or turn up as random encounters? Speaking of random encounters is there anything like that in the game (i.e. at points players can roll a dice and then based on a chart something happens)? Can warbands include animals/mutants?
Are there other pieces of equipment rather than just weapons and armour? I.e. radios, sunglasses, flares, different ammo types, whatever?
Heh, and what about vehicles? Rules for larger robots (i.e. 50mm base+)?
What about rules for defending settlements? Is there rules for barricading up buildings? Breaking down flimsy walls? How about mounted weapon positions?
Aye, sorry if I'm just kind of throwing a load of questions at you. I'm curious whether or not I can toss my existing system you see. From what I've seen I'm interested, so rather its just if I have to create some house rules for the odd bits and bobs.
Fatdex has it covered, but I will expound a little bit.
Animals are integrated into certain warbands. Tribals, raiders, and peacekeepers can take animals in their warbands, mostly dogs. Peacekeepers also have access to the Cyber Dog. They also can appear in random encounters, they are part of the caravan protection scenario, and there is even a chance your warband can get some wasteland critters from a campaign event. As for mutants, not only is there an entire warband dedicated to them, every gang can hire one or two as a freelancer.
There is also equipment, beyond guns and armor. Stuff like banners, drugs, weapon upgrades, and the like. There are also relics, which are particularly fun if unpredictable. So yes, there is indeed power armor, laser weapons, and plasma weapons of all types.
Right now there are three robots in the game, a freelancer Depend-O-Bot and two robots available to the Preservers (a medical robot and a larger construction robot). The bigger guy could be mounted on a 50mm base, but he does not have to be that big. Generally, larger robots would be for scenarios, but not part of warbands. This is for game balance reasons. Vehicles are not in the book as of now. I am still working on a vehicle rules that do not unbalance the game. TNT will never be a vehicle combat game, but they will be more useful as transports and support. I am thinking more along the lines of the Ash Waste vehicles in Necromunda or perhaps similar to Gorkamorka, but I am still working on it.
There is absolutely a scenario dedicated purely to defending a settlement. It's called Little Slice of Heavan and the defender get points for kicking the attacker out of the interior objectives and the attackers get points for getting their keesters in there.
I hope that answers your questions. I have working on a free quick play ruleset that can be downloads to give the rules a try. Thanks for your interest.
zippo151 wrote: I really like to know if your game is similar to badrollgame punkapocalitic
There's probably some broad similarities, but Punkapocalyptic seems to operate a lot like Necromunda or Mordheim whereas TNT uses a different sort of activation structure that likely makes for a very different gaming experience.
That's a really off the cuff assessment, as I am not terribly familiar with either set of rules.
Again Fatdex is the man. I recently looked at the Punkapocalyptic rules recently and there is indeed some thematic similarities, but are rules are quite different. I do think their miniatures are absolutely gorgeous and encourage folks to get in on their kickstarter. Heck, you can use the minis for TNT if one is so inclined.
Like the idea of TNT, but not sure if you want to take the plunge into an unfamiliar wasteland. How about a independent review written by Andy Bailey, aka the Attention Deficit Historian?
Hey wastelanders, in honor of the holiday weekend, World's End Publishing is having its first special deal at www.worldsendpublishing.com. Until May 26, by entering in the coupon code "roach525" and spending $50 or more, you qualify for an absolutely free Rad Roach miniature thrown in with your order. Note your order must include at least one other miniature. Enjoy.
We are in a holding pattern with the rulebook. Different publishers have different requirements and I have been shopping it around to get the best price. One issue is just waiting for proofs and samples, which just takes time. I cannot give a estimate, because I do not want ti disappoint. Sooner than later though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Greetings wastelanders! The folks at the Fool's Daily have posted the first part, out of three, of their interview of yours truly. I talk about game mechanics, my inspiration, other post-apocalypse games, and even delve into the future of TNT.
Argh, still waiting on the print rules, but I think that I may attempt a game using the .pdf version in about two weeks. There was mention of a quick start version of the rules wasn't there? ...Just to save me having to print off 150 pages that is.
I'm still working out the logistics with my group, but it looks like we'll be buying the PDF soon, and hopefully some miniatures too if I can convince them. Based upon the sample rules you let me try out back in March alone, I'm extremely excited to see what's in store.
Actually working on the Quick Play rules now. But the person who does layout for me is going on vacation for two weeks, so its going to be at least 30 days before its done.
Played it once. Felt like it took longer to make a 400 pt warband then actually play haha. It was enjoyable though. Plan to use my masses of WWX Indians at the tribal army
One thing I do want to note. The print your warband sheets you can fill your list in. Wish it has weapon spots. Had to fill it in all messy in the gear section. Broken down into boxes would be nice so I don't have to keep going back to the book
str00dles1 wrote: Played it once. Felt like it took longer to make a 400 pt warband then actually play haha. It was enjoyable though. Plan to use my masses of WWX Indians at the tribal army
One thing I do want to note. The print your warband sheets you can fill your list in. Wish it has weapon spots. Had to fill it in all messy in the gear section. Broken down into boxes would be nice so I don't have to keep going back to the book
List building is half the fun.
Glad you enjoyed it. We are picking up steam as we get more folks interested.
str00dles1 wrote: Played it once. Felt like it took longer to make a 400 pt warband then actually play haha. It was enjoyable though. Plan to use my masses of WWX Indians at the tribal army
One thing I do want to note. The print your warband sheets you can fill your list in. Wish it has weapon spots. Had to fill it in all messy in the gear section. Broken down into boxes would be nice so I don't have to keep going back to the book
Yeah the warband creation is fun!
We're using Wargames Factory Survivors, Woodland Indians and Brother Vinni Fallout minis for our warbands.
EDIT: Played our first game today! My Raiders against my wife's Caravanners. Rolled up the Zombie hunt scenario and had a blast killing the Zeds. After the final Zambie fell and the smoke cleared we agreed to a truce and both withdrew. I lost zero guys and my wife only lost her Tribal Representative. Good times!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thought I would pop over and provide some links to some very cool hobby content. Guerrilla Miniatures Game's latest Indie Game Battle Report: Nickel City Stories takes on This Is Not a Test for some post-apocalypse wasteland fun. I will highlight there is a chance to to win a free PDF of the game.
Short answer not yet. Unfortunately, this has been the hardest part of my adventure in bringing the rules to fruition with several challenges along the way. I don't have a time scale yet for release, but it is being actively worked behind the scenes. I hate non-answers, but I don't want to make promises and then not deliver.
Update at all on the hard cover on this? Or are you still trying to find a publisher who'll replicate that authentic irradiated 200 year old paper look?
Gameplay looks very interesting. How flexible are the gangs regarding size? Seems like all gangs have about equal number of members? Any plans for vehicles?
Wyrmalla wrote: Update at all on the hard cover on this? Or are you still trying to find a publisher who'll replicate that authentic irradiated 200 year old paper look?
Still working with the publisher. We had some formatting issues and I am waiting on the publisher's response. I would guess we are looking at least a few more months. I wish the process was easier, but given the size of the book, etc. it's a surprisingly complicated one.
Illumini wrote: Gameplay looks very interesting. How flexible are the gangs regarding size? Seems like all gangs have about equal number of members? Any plans for vehicles?
Warband size is dependent on the point level you are playing out. New warbands start out at 400 and sizes have been as low as 3 to 9 models. It really depends on much kit you want to give them. There are indeed plan for vehicles in an upcoming book.
I would also be remiss if I did not mention out new supplement Wasteland Essential 1. This nice little product full-color paper minis and templates for all the hazards in the book and for the more miniature intense scenarios. Plus a new scenario. Check it out.
Are you planning to release token sets? My experience from token-heavy games like warmachine is that good tokens improve playability, and that everybody buys them
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Illumini wrote: Are you planning to release token sets? My experience from token-heavy games like warmachine is that good tokens improve playability, and that everybody buys them
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The game is overall not particularly token heavy. I prefer to use markers to show which models have activated, for which I just use the bottlecaps I sell. There is also a free token sheet in the Official This Is Not a Test Facebook group files section. In the future I may do an official set, but not sure if the market is there just yet.
It depends. The mutant cannibal supplement is a bit of an odd duck since its only about 30 pages and I am not sure that is worth printing outside of a collection of similarly sized supplements. Most of the normal TNT supplements will be about 100 pages and more amendable to printing. This all of course assumes demand and I get the first book printed first.
This game is seriously one of the best rulesets I have ever played, I am seriously looking forward to a print book, but it is well worth looking at in electronic formats as well.
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Hi folks. World's End Publishing is proud to release our latest warband supplement, Mutant Cannibals. Information is below. Thank you.
Product Description
Just in time for Halloween, the Mutant Cannibals supplement adds a ghoulish new twist to your games of This Is Not a Test. This supplement fully re-introduces the terrible mutant cannibal family as a fully playable warband, as well as a host of extra material. Beyond game rules, the supplement also features gorgeous full color art work by Dario Jelusic and dynamic photography by Dave Taylor Miniatures
Mutant Cannibal Warband
The mutant cannibals are a nightmare come true. Living in twisted family clans, they raid wasteland settlements and seek the flesh of their foes. Led by the matriarch or the patriarch of the family, a host of gruesome family members are at your command. Whether it’s the deceptively lovely Petunia, the simple, but gargantuan Tiny, or even the blood-crazed psychos who hold torture as an art form. The cannibal mutant warband also feature the ability to access to wasteland critters such a great rats, rad roaches, or the powerful psychic husk.
Access the Cannibal Armory
The mutant cannibals bring with them an array of deadly weaponry and deviant equipment. With everything from new vicious close combat weapons, to guns that literally boil the enemy alive with blood, and armor made out of the skin of their poor victims, the armory in this supplement is a true terror to behold. But don’t lose all hope, other warbands can also use most of these weapons!
New Scenarios
Finally this supplement introduces two new scenarios: The Night Has Eyes and Snack Attack. Favoring the mutants chosen form of attack, these night raids feature the two most common cannibal themes, attacking your enemy while they sleep and raiding a settlement for a little nourishment. Of course these scenarios are definitely playable by other warbands and don’t necessarily have to be about blood and guts, but why would you want that?
Key Features:
Detailed history of the cannibal clans
Fully playable Mutant Cannibal warband
Wasteland Critters as available warband members
16 new weapons, armor, grenades, and equipment
Two new scenarios: Snack Attack and The Night Has Eyes
Full color art by Dario Jelusic
Dynamic photography by Dave Taylor Miniatures
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combat engineer wrote: Is there a trial rules PDF that one can download. Seems like an interesting game.
Not yet. You can read an older version of the rules at our website, but we are working on a full demo copy of the game that will include almost everything you need to give it try. Look out for it in the next few weeks.
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Swabby wrote: This game is seriously one of the best rulesets I have ever played, I am seriously looking forward to a print book, but it is well worth looking at in electronic formats as well.
I played the game at PAX on the weekend and it was great. A truly beautiful table with great rules run by some fantastic guys. Even though I got into some serious trouble with a giant scorpion I had a blast. The Wasteland calls me now...
I decided a while ago that my sci fi gaming was going to aim more at post apocalyptic than future war, so I downloaded this and had a look.
Looks really fun, a bit like a streamlined necromunda in a lot of ways but with a strong post - apocalyptic (Fallout!) flavour.
I want to make a decent Post Apoc board and some warbands and give it a go. (I'd love to have ruined freeway like you have in Fallout 3, I think it's really iconic).
Already thinking - Wargames Factory Zulu/Plains Indians with modern weapons - Tribals Wargames Factory Zombie Survivors - Caravaners Mantic Plague - Mutants (Super Mutants) (with Crypt Ghouls as Trogs) Mantic Enforcers - Power Armoured dudes GW Chaos Cultists and other conversions - Raiders
Also want to do a bunch of wasteland critters and robots. Just need to find someone to play! (My Fiancé is not a huge post apoc fan :( )
Killionaire wrote: Any news on this guy? I've been looking over the videos in another thread, and am now quite curious at the status of any printed books.
Actually expect an update from me soon concerning the printed book. Exciting things are a foot.
Killionaire wrote: Any news on this guy? I've been looking over the videos in another thread, and am now quite curious at the status of any printed books.
Actually expect an update from me soon concerning the printed book. Exciting things are a foot.
Well the electronic version is already available at our website as a PDF. We are working on a demo version of the rules that will have the basic rules, a new scenario, and free paper miniatures so that all you need to run is basically some dice. No release date for that just yet.
While we suss out the final details to bring the book to you. The proof has been received and it is glorious, I thought I might bring attention to our Black Friday deal. Feel free to check it out. Thanks.
Just a quick holiday note before the holiday begins in earnest. We will be closed for a few days during the holiday. Orders will be sent as quickly as possible, but expect brief delays. Also, for those asking, the book is being worked on. The plan is to launch a small Kickstarter in January to fund the first printing. Launch date is still in flux. Happy holidays and stay safe out the in the wastes.
I just bought the PDF to read during holiday travels. Now I'm excited to try the game out.
I am interested in seeing if there's a discount in the KS. I wouldn't mind a print copy, but the $25 I paid for the PDF felt a bit pricey for electronic format.
Sorry for the delay, but the Kickstarter is still under wraps until I sort out the details. My hope is to launch in January sometime. For those who purchased the rules prior to launch, there will probably not be a discount, but there will be a nice reward for being an early adopter, something I think folks will be happy with. Shipping is going to be one of those issues that we are working on. The book is two pounds, as American weights go, and thus expensive to ship. Right now the US Post Office is quoting the cheapest overseas shipping as $25. I am looking into ways to get that down. So wish me luck. Thanks for the interest guys.
We are proud to announce the This Is Not a Test Hardcover Rulebook Kickstarter! We launch on March 8.
There will also be special edition miniatures and some other neat stuff. We aim to keep it low key and achievable. Please spread far and wide if you would kindly.
Extremely hyped. My friends and I grabbed the ,pdf during Black Friday, and instantly fell in love (Guerrilla's bat-reps helped sell us initially). It really is one of the finest skirmish games I have ever played, and elements of it have inspired the bank-heist skirmish system I am working on currently.
I will throw money at this KS without question, especially if some of the supplements which we don't own are included.
Ordered 4 of the Pig Iron Kolony Ferals which I think will work well as a Children of Atom themed mutant warband. Sadly ther est of the ferals are OOP and Pig Iron is closing down, though they are in talks with other companies to sell the miniature range.
Yeah, it certainly sounds interesting. I'm not 100% sure I want to play/model/paint in the fallout-like universe but it's possible, and a 5-20 man skirmish game is about the right size.
GrimDork wrote: Huh cool I'll keep an eye here so I'll know when the kickstarter is out. Looks interesting.
Simply put, it is one of the best skirmish games I've played in my entire 23 years of tabletop gaming.
It is basically tabletop Fallout. If you like that IP, like skirmish games or like anything post-apocalyptic, it is well worth playing.
Agreed. It has the right about of crunch to feel detailed, and like your crew meaningfully evolves, but is light enough to get in multiple games in an evening. Really good. I usually like my skirmish games even heavier on the RPG stuff, but I know for most folks this will be in a sweet-spot.
My only complaint... the "catch up" mechanics don't feel like they do quiet enough to shore up pts discrepancies between players. Like Mordheim I definitely feel like a player can run away with a campaign, and the buy-able pts-gap perks could stand to be significantly buffed.
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GrimDork wrote: Yeah, it certainly sounds interesting. I'm not 100% sure I want to play/model/paint in the fallout-like universe but it's possible, and a 5-20 man skirmish game is about the right size.
Luckily it isn't expressly Fallout per-se, meaning any box of zombie survivors, or military models, (or moderns in general) can look the part. Its a pretty versatile bit of fluff, and the core of the rules are so strong that they would work superimposed on almost any theme.
Campaigns are pretty hard to balance like that. But then again... isn't somebody *supposed* to win in the end? They get to survive, or dominate their little hive city area, or city block, or what have you? Of course it's not fun playing make-it-take-it basketball for long...
GrimDork wrote: Campaigns are pretty hard to balance like that. But then again... isn't somebody *supposed* to win in the end? They get to survive, or dominate their little hive city area, or city block, or what have you? Of course it's not fun playing make-it-take-it basketball for long...
Oh, I totally agree, but when it can happen after TWO games, it can be very frustrating. :-p
As to the balance of campaigns... I don't usually care too much because I LOVE narrative stuff, which is why I generally, as I said, love massive amounts of random encounters, base-building, tables to roll on, etc. If my friends and I have a memorable time full of interesting choices, I am happy.
TNT just happens to ere a touch more on the Frost-grave side of things where you do still need it to feel balanced just a touch longer.
But these are like, quibbling critiques. I love the game and wouldn't do much to change it at all. Even unchanged I plan to throw money at this KS.
Hopefully physical book pledges also get corresponding amounts of .pdfs though. I know our group is about 50/50 for preferring one medium versus the other.
Looking forward to a physical copy to go with my digital version, will be interesting to see how the cost of the book + shipping will stack up for ROW backers.
I've heard a lot about this game. The gameplay (outside the seemingly flawed campaign system) sounds intriguing.. Is the tone tongue in cheek or can it go either way?
MLaw wrote: I've heard a lot about this game. The gameplay (outside the seemingly flawed campaign system) sounds intriguing.. Is the tone tongue in cheek or can it go either way?
The tone can definitely be as dark or camp as you like. On the one hand, its conducive to a Fallout style pulpy aesthetic, but there is cannibalism, some brutal mutations, and a pretty ruined world. I think the fluff you and your group decide on will decide this one for you.
As for the flawed campaign system... let me also say it isn't irredeamably flawed... it just has the capacity to break easily. The first time my wife and I played a campaign, a combination of good rolls for me, terrible rolls for her, and a little randomness in the events resulted in a wide enough gulf that she not only never recovered, but the second game just widened said gulf through no fault of hers.
It was an edge case, for sure, but a little buffing of the things a player down on points can buy would actually go a long way to helping. :-)
Oh, and I can't restate this enough... the game is AMAZING, so I am just nit-picking. :-p
Since everyone is being so helpful about this today.. can I beg some specifics? I'm trying to read/watch some battle reports but my kiddos have other plans. I see the force lists and it seems like they take groups but things still operate one model at a time? But you don't just take one guy? Do you buy them in squads?
I'm curious to check out the PDF, is the kickstarted book just a print run or is it getting updated/changed? I kind of prefer PDF most days anyway and getting something now instead of kickstarting a hardback would be ideal.
You know, I really should have shown TNT more love. We've been a little preoccupied lately, but I'll definitely back this project.
Campaign systems are notoriously difficult to balance when you are talking about a PVP game. RPGs can take a little imbalance because you are usually playing co-op. Players also tend to have a higher rules tolerance in an RPG.
GW's specialist games, for the mountain of love I have for them, are notoriously bad though when it comes to campaigns. The simplest solution is often to have a GM rebalance the campaign on the fly.
Have you tried doing that with TNT? Maybe the TNT guys can whip up a little article about that type of play style.
In regards to the campaign system: It's good that you can get a noticible difference in power. It's something the campaign-ness of the game can adjust for. Example would be multi-player games ganging up a bit on the stronger gang.
It beats 'virtually static, lack of advancement' campaigns. I cannot stand Frostgrave for that reason, despite trying it and giving it a real shot: Because it's not a mordheim/necromunda like experience (where some gangs or characters can get quite good).
If anyone's stuck for Brotherhood of Steel figures, the Unity Council Marines from Anvil Industry make great BOS Knights in combat armour.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: As for campaign balance...the game has environmental threats like rad zombies/ghouls, mutants and beasts right? Maybe you could give control to the weaker player, or let him trigger and deploy those environmental threats.
GrimDork wrote: Since everyone is being so helpful about this today.. can I beg some specifics? I'm trying to read/watch some battle reports but my kiddos have other plans. I see the force lists and it seems like they take groups but things still operate one model at a time? But you don't just take one guy? Do you buy them in squads?
I'm curious to check out the PDF, is the kickstarted book just a print run or is it getting updated/changed? I kind of prefer PDF most days anyway and getting something now instead of kickstarting a hardback would be ideal.
All models are individual. You will end up with probably around 5-10 minis in your gang. There are restrictions on the different types and amount of equipment you can take. There are several factions, all somewhat based around Fallout, so you get equivelents to Brotherhood, Raiders, Tribals, Caravanners, Mutants, etc.
The KS is for the print book. Not sure if it will differ from the .pdf or not.
I'm probably being paranoid, but I hope people aren't reading my campaign critiques without the follow-up comments I tried to make as well. :-p I would hate for people to think this game isn't awesome, which it absolutely is.
And again, I am all for campaigns seeing discrepancies in power emerge. Two of the systems I have designed intentionally allow for it in my own work, so I am a fan. It just felt like the upper extremes of how quickly it could happen felt a little "sharp" in TNT.
Nothing that couldn't be smoothed without tiny tweaks, but even as-is, this game is incredible and I cannot recommend it enough. Everyone on DakkaDakka needs to get a copy of these rules come March 9th, or else they're genuinely missing out.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I'm probably being paranoid, but I hope people aren't reading my campaign critiques without the follow-up comments I tried to make as well. :-p I would hate for people to think this game isn't awesome, which it absolutely is.
And again, I am all for campaigns seeing discrepancies in power emerge. Two of the systems I have designed intentionally allow for it in my own work, so I am a fan. It just felt like the upper extremes of how quickly it could happen felt a little "sharp" in TNT.
Nothing that couldn't be smoothed without tiny tweaks, but even as-is, this game is incredible and I cannot recommend it enough. Everyone on DakkaDakka needs to get a copy of these rules come March 9th, or else they're genuinely missing out.
I get what you are saying. Mordheim, Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Gorkamorka, once you get behind it can be almost pointless to keep playing. It can become decidedly unfun to get teeth-kicked every game and KEEP falling further behind because of it.
Border Town Burning, a Mordheim campaign system, has a nifty feature to help with that, by the way.
Anyhow, it is really challenging to develop a skirmish game campaign system that doesn't have this type of issue. I find that the best thing to do in these situations is nominate a GM who can make calls like giving one player control over the environment.
Most campaign-based games have one problem or the other in the long run, either due to some (un)lucky rolls, the way a skirmish went, or because of those players. You know the ones, who either min-max, or ask a thousand credit ransom for that one ganger he captured from you previous game, knowing its an absurd amount. Putting a GM or the like in is indeed one of the best ways to remedy this. It doesn't even have to be someone who takes it on full-time for the duration of a campaign, but just someone impartial who keeps an eye on things.
But other than that, nothing but good things to say about TNT. The rules take some getting used to in the beginning, the shooting mechanics in particular have an interesting twist to them, which can lead to hilarious bouts of ineffective shooting or glorious overkill, but it plays like a charm once you get it all down pat and yes, it can easily be used for Fallout with a minimum amount of tinkering with the factions and equipment.
GMG did a series of games last year, really nice battle reports and a great intro to their channel.
I'm really excited for this kickstarter. I need more details!!! Are you going to do raiders or some other faction for the KS? The peacekeepers look really nice.
@Grimdork
It doesn't have to be fallout themed. I could see a range of post apoc films and games fitting the ruleset well enough. Mad Max, A boy and his dog, Escape from Frogtown, Escape from LA/NY, Wasteland C&C: Tiberian Sun etc.
Yeah, I'm about halfway through the second one. Seems like they do a bunch of teeny edits to trim the fast and keep them closing. Good audio quality too, nicely painted everything.
The only thing I really need to know about the KS is if the rules are gonna be changed at all or if it's primarily a print run of the existing PDF. Cause I kinda want to buy the PDF soon but not if a new edition is right around the corner.
My Raider gang and some Depend-o-Bot stand ins, which will probably be used for another warband I'm gonna try and get together to mimic the remnants of the US military.
GrimDork wrote: Yeah, I'm about halfway through the second one. Seems like they do a bunch of teeny edits to trim the fast and keep them closing. Good audio quality too, nicely painted everything.
The only thing I really need to know about the KS is if the rules are gonna be changed at all or if it's primarily a print run of the existing PDF. Cause I kinda want to buy the PDF soon but not if a new edition is right around the corner.
The book will be identical to the PDF, though the picture quality will be better since file size is long longer an issue. Of course some editing will fix typos and things of the sort, but nothing earth shattering. A new edition of the rules is a long, long way off. I am more interested in getting new stuff out there and expanding game play options. I still need to do robot warbands, animal hybrids, and other zaniness!
Also, thanks for the compliments guys. I appreciate the encouragement.
Ahh very cool. Doesn't mean I'm not interested in the kickstarter, but I may not be able to wait for the rules, there looks to be a lot of conversion fodder.
As part of the Kickstarter, we are releasing a demo set of rules that includes practically everything you need to try out the rules. An overview of the mechanics, a new scenario, two force lists, and even paper minis. I have attached the demo to this post and have linked the Facebook group which is also a great way to learn about the fun and creativity inspired by the game.
Pacific wrote: A don't suppose you'd mind putting a very brief synopsis about what makes the rules stand out Nostromodamus?
Sure, I'll highlight a few of my favorite things.
First, the activation system. Every model has a Mettle value which is used for various tests, including activation. You roll a Mettle test and, if successful, you get to make 2 actions with a model and then choose another model to try to activate. You repeat this until you fail a Mettle test. If you fail, you still get to activate that model, but can only take 1 action, then play passes to your opponent. This makes order of activation a very interesting decision and makes spreading Mettle-buffing models among your gang very important.
Secondly, the shooting. Damage is not resolved until the point at which play passes to your opponent. So if you get a string of activations, you won't know if that guy you're pouring bullets into is dead until you fail a Mettle roll, the smoke clears and you can assess the damage. This forces some interesting choices as far as how much you really want to elimate a model at the expense of other targets, or if you want to "spread the love" and have a lower chance of actually taking anyone out.
Thirdly, the gang building rules are amazing. Very characterful factions that fit Fallout perfectly but are generic enough that you can imagine any post-apoc world having them. You will have a leader, a few of his closest henchmen, some specialists and some fodder. Lots of variety. You choose their skills rather than rolling on tables, so you can really tailor members to a specific role. You can do this to such an extent that a guy might not even be very useful in battle, but buffs the hell out of your post-game activities. It's like you're basically giving the accountant a gun
Speaking of guns, they are many and varied. From primitive to futuristic, pretty much anything from Fallout and beyond is represented. This goes for armor too, and there are lots of pre-war artifacts to use. Robots feature and are useable by some factions in battle.
Finally, the scenarios. Lots of variety here, but what makes each game truly unique is the weather effects and wandering creatures rules. Fighting in a rad storm with rad-zombies crawling from the ruins is a scary prospect!
Anyway I've rambled enough. There's so much I haven't covered though. It's really worth checking out!
At this point, all I want from the game (other than my above mentioned campaign tweaks), would be MORE.
We have played so often that I just feel ready for new scenarios, new after-action event options (maybe a second 54 card decks worth), gear, mutations, etc...
I would love to hear about a big expansion coming, and I wish the game got a volume of supplements on par with Frostgrave. I'd happily buy another book every six months.
I`ve found the campaign imbalance much less of an issue than with for example necromunda because you can always get free guys to make up the cost imbalance. While these guys can`t get experience and dissapear after the game, they can prop up the remnants of a battered gang and allow them to win a game or two to even things out.
The rules are great fun, gang building is very well done, covering a lot of post apoc gang types, offering lots of options without going so overboard that balance and overview becomes impossible.
My main "complaint" is that the missions are a bit demanding when starting out, I would love more generic missions not demanding so much extra miniatures/special terrain to play. The game would benefit from more "warmachine steamroller" style missions, destroy objectives, capture zones and flags for points.
Illumini wrote: I`ve found the campaign imbalance much less of an issue than with for example necromunda because you can always get free guys to make up the cost imbalance. While these guys can`t get experience and dissapear after the game, they can prop up the remnants of a battered gang and allow them to win a game or two to even things out.
The rules are great fun, gang building is very well done, covering a lot of post apoc gang types, offering lots of options without going so overboard that balance and overview becomes impossible.
My main "complaint" is that the missions are a bit demanding when starting out, I would love more generic missions not demanding so much extra miniatures/special terrain to play. The game would benefit from more "warmachine steamroller" style missions, destroy objectives, capture zones and flags for points.
I hear you. The next book, which will not be too long out after the Kickstarter, and will have a new Wasteland Deck and five more scenarios. I think you are right that some more "basic" style scenarios would be a nice change of pace and I will give some thought to it.
Ooooh, can the new Wasteland deck be used in addition to the old one? That was actually one of my wishes.
Can we get some hints about this new book? Is it planned to be printed alongside the core rules if the KS does really well, or is it a pure digital release?
carlos13th wrote: I would love people to share their warbands for TNT if they have made it.
The humble beginning of my Vault dweller Caravanner warband. Leader with Laser Rifle and scavenged armour.
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Vault Dweller with rifle and leather armour.
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Vault Dweller in power armour (I have this model, but this is not my photo, just using it as an example.
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I'm also planning a Brotherhood of Steel Preserver warband.
Two Paladins or Knights in power armour with a laser rifle and gatling laser. The one with Laser Rifle will be the leader (again, not my photo).
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I have the Unity Council Marines from Anvil Industry's Afterlife range to use as Presever Seekers (Knights or Initiates in combat armour). The fluff being that following their war with the NCR, the BOS lacks the resources to sustain power armour and energy weapon equipped troops in large numbers, so they're making more use of "Light" infantry and ballistic weapons.
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I wanted to use the Pig Iron Ferals as a Children of Atom themed Mutant warband, but they're closing down. Hopefully some other company will pick up the range.
I was able to grab these (not my photo)
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But not these. (not mine)
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Also got some Mad Max raider miniatures from a Kickstarter and miscellaneous raider miniatures (including a Riddick mini) from Brother Vinni.
I also want to get the Peacekeeper warband from Worlds End Publishing to use as NCR rangers, and a box of American GI's from Warlord (either their own Bolt Action or the Wargames Factory GI's which Warlord recently acquired). I'll convert the GI's to look like NCR conscripts, and use them as Deputized Settlers.
These are Wyrmalla's, I want to do something similar.
Its probably going to be a long time till I can actually get a campaign going at my club. For now, its just me doing TNT, so I'm painting up four warbands all on my own. May be able to do some demo games at some point.
Great stuff. Don't worry about GS skills, These look great.
@SC
Those ferals look like great sculpts. Can't wait to see what you do with them I like the pose of your first Vault dweller.
@BrookM
All of it looks awesome! What are the women ranger models? They work well as the less armoured rangers youd find in outposts and the like.
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The First fully sculpted model is a potato faced fallout 1 super mutant. He's terrible, but I got him finished and painted. I'm half-way through sculpting a Vault Dweller
in padded armour. the super mutant 2.0 sculpt I'm working on will dwarf mutie 1.0
carlos13th wrote: I would love people to share their warbands for TNT if they have made it.
I am running a campaign for my local group and we've just finished our first batch of games.
Our games are set in the Fallout universe, but we aren't letting ourselves get hamstrung by in-universe lore if someone has a cool idea or wants to incorporate other themes. The campaign revolves around our different warbands seeking out an abandoned nuclear missile that survived in the ruins of Sacramento, CA (we are all local to that area).
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I have two warbands in the campaign (the NCR rangers are actually my brothers, but I painted them dammit).
My Hubologists are seeking out the nuclear missile to enact a delusional prophecy regarding the return of their most sacred Prophets aboard the Freewinds, which was at sea when the bombs struck 200 years ago.
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The New California Republic veteran rangers have been in the Sacramento area as part of a long-term reconnaissance mission. Whispers of the nuclear weapon in the ruins of Sacramento present a threat to the NCR and an opportunity for them to gain more power in their war with Ceasars Legion and the other factions of the west coast.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: In the hopes of inspiring you all to pick up this awesome game, i'll share some more of the terrain i've been working on and gaming table.
A shot of our table from the other night. The big highway is a piece my friend made. Everything else is my terrain.
Exactly what extra minis/terrain are asked of in the existing missions? I'd like to have a dig through the toybox and see what I may need to pick up for this.
There are technically two missions that require additional models.
The first is Pest Control, which is a fend-off the zombie horde mission. So you'll need zombies to kill. Last I played, we had upwards of 15 zombies on the table at one time. Also you might need sewer grates or something for the zombies to spawn from.
The second is The Caravan, which requires pack-animals or carts or caravan pieces of some sort to drag across the board, as well as extra caravanners to protect the caravan.
The mission Tanks for Nothing in the demo rules technically doesn't require additional models just water tokens of some sort as you collect water from an old water tank or water heater. So maybe a piece of terrain that can represent a source of clean water? I made water tokens for the mission, though.
The encounter table requires things like mutant rats, but honestly, those items can be proxied to a lot of suitable, thematic, things.
The rest are things that are still mostly akin to objective tokens, though sometimes you might have something like an irradiated area of "x" inches diameter that becomes dangerous.
Ironically, Warmahordes requires tons of ways to demarkate "zones" of control, so it isn't any different really.
This stuff is great guys. Really inspiring. I can see that some of this stuff is from brother vinni and those NCR are from worlds end . Would you mind sharing where the other stuff is from particlalrly the Cultist types?
Is that the Brother Vinni NCR model in there with the worlds end one?
Thanks
I am currently looking at kits I can buy to try to make some Caesars legion. Problem is I dont need 20-40 model kits to make 10 or so guys.
carlos13th wrote: This stuff is great guys. Really inspiring. I can see that some of this stuff is from brother vinni and those NCR are from worlds end . Would you mind sharing where the other stuff is from particlalrly the Cultist types?
Is that the Brother Vinni NCR model in there with the worlds end one?
Thanks
I am currently looking at kits I can buy to try to make some Caesars legion. Problem is I dont need 20-40 model kits to make 10 or so guys.
Yeah, thats the Brother Vinni model with the Worlds End stuff. The dogs are from Anvil Industries.
For the Hubologists, the cultists with submachine guns and the praying guys (with some minor conversions by me) are also Anvil Industries. My warband leader is a Brother Vinni model.
Sounds good. Look forward to seeing them painted up.
rollawaythestone wrote:
carlos13th wrote: This stuff is great guys. Really inspiring. I can see that some of this stuff is from brother vinni and those NCR are from worlds end . Would you mind sharing where the other stuff is from particlalrly the Cultist types?
Is that the Brother Vinni NCR model in there with the worlds end one?
Thanks
I am currently looking at kits I can buy to try to make some Caesars legion. Problem is I dont need 20-40 model kits to make 10 or so guys.
Yeah, thats the Brother Vinni model with the Worlds End stuff. The dogs are from Anvil Industries.
For the Hubologists, the cultists with submachine guns and the praying guys (with some minor conversions by me) are also Anvil Industries. My warband leader is a Brother Vinni model.
Thanks for sharing. Look forward to seeing any future squads you put together.
For the time being I want to kit bash and create a frostgrave band before I jump into TNT. But I will certainly be all over this in a few months.
carlos13th wrote: I would love people to share their warbands for TNT if they have made it.
Almost a year ago, Joey was kind enough to try out this fantastic ruleset as it was back in March of 2015. From what I see, the rules have since been fleshed out and expanded even further (especially the campaign rules), but the demo game that I set up at my FLGS with a friend of mine went incredibly smoothly. The warband that I made was simple and cheap, but I think that it got the job done.
Haven't had a chance to play yet but these guys are what I'm looking at using for power armored reclaimers dudes:
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Though after flipping through my shiny new rule book pdf...the guy with the power armor, gauntlet, and laser does not appear to be street legal. I'll have to decide if I wanna change him or just leave it alone and not use him for the game.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Ooooh, can the new Wasteland deck be used in addition to the old one? That was actually one of my wishes.
Can we get some hints about this new book? Is it planned to be printed alongside the core rules if the KS does really well, or is it a pure digital release?
Any hints on a date, or other contents?!
Next book will be in a few months, once the Kickstarter closes, work will begin on it in earnest. A lot of work is done, but I need to do some playtesting and apply polish, as well as add some stuff.
What's in Wasteland Compendium?
More skills and mutations.
Each warband gets a new specialist
Two new warbands: settlers and renegade reclaimers
Tribal totems (tribal warband variants)
Five new scenarios
Visiting the wasteland doctor (allows healing of injuries)
New wasteland deck (you can switch to this deck, once the one in the book runs out or vice versa)
Warband ranks (higher BS total warbands get added benefits)
So that is the bulk of it. Lots of fun stuff to expand on the game.
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GrimDork wrote: Haven't had a chance to play yet but these guys are what I'm looking at using for power armored reclaimers dudes:
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Though after flipping through my shiny new rule book pdf...the guy with the power armor, gauntlet, and laser does not appear to be street legal. I'll have to decide if I wanna change him or just leave it alone and not use him for the game.
Don't worry. For now you can just count the fist as a light weapon and when your warband gets better, there is a way for the leader to be able to carry three relics.
Next book will be in a few months, once the Kickstarter closes, work will begin on it in earnest. A lot of work is done, but I need to do some playtesting and apply polish, as well as add some stuff.
What's in Wasteland Compendium?
More skills and mutations.
Each warband gets a new specialist
Two new warbands: settlers and renegade reclaimers
Tribal totems (tribal warband variants)
Five new scenarios
Visiting the wasteland doctor (allows healing of injuries)
New wasteland deck (you can switch to this deck, once the one in the book runs out or vice versa)
Warband ranks (higher BS total warbands get added benefits)
So that is the bulk of it. Lots of fun stuff to expand on the game.
Hmm I could count the fist as a light weapon to start... thought had crossed my mind... I could also replace the laser rifle with a machine pistol. I still need to check the rules but I'm assuming since the gauntlet and pistol are both one handed weapons he should be able to shoot the pistol on turns that he's closing and charge into combat swinging the fist without the need to switch to the fist losing an AP, whereas with the rifle he would have to spend the point.
I could switch him down to a regular reclaimer and make another, somehow cooler Lord Reclaimer too. Leave the insane melee charges to the guy who isn't in charge
One last thing, guys, if you don't mind-- are bayonets as good as they sound? It sounds to me like they confer the benefits of a light melee weapon but without taking up space or requiring you to switch to them? Ah, I guess they do cost one more point than a light melee weapon, but seems like a pretty solid use for anyone with a shotgun or a rifle that expects to get into a scuffle. -1 for fists seems lame compared to +1 from the bayonet for just a few BS.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Ooooh, can the new Wasteland deck be used in addition to the old one? That was actually one of my wishes.
Can we get some hints about this new book? Is it planned to be printed alongside the core rules if the KS does really well, or is it a pure digital release?
Any hints on a date, or other contents?!
Next book will be in a few months, once the Kickstarter closes, work will begin on it in earnest. A lot of work is done, but I need to do some playtesting and apply polish, as well as add some stuff.
What's in Wasteland Compendium?
More skills and mutations.
Each warband gets a new specialist
Two new warbands: settlers and renegade reclaimers
Tribal totems (tribal warband variants)
Five new scenarios
Visiting the wasteland doctor (allows healing of injuries)
New wasteland deck (you can switch to this deck, once the one in the book runs out or vice versa)
Warband ranks (higher BS total warbands get added benefits)
So that is the bulk of it. Lots of fun stuff to expand on the game.
Wow... Its like a check-list of everything I could've wished for.
In for the Kickstarter... staying for the expansion book. ;-)
The first is Pest Control, which is a fend-off the zombie horde mission. So you'll need zombies to kill. Last I played, we had upwards of 15 zombies on the table at one time. Also you might need sewer grates or something for the zombies to spawn from.
The second is The Caravan, which requires pack-animals or carts or caravan pieces of some sort to drag across the board, as well as extra caravanners to protect the caravan.
timd wrote:Where do these cool water containers come from?
They are Meng models 1/35 water bottles for dioramas.
Pacific wrote:
This sounds like the best thing ever!
The Pest Control zombie mission is a lot of fun. We were drowning in zombies towards the end of the mission. As your gun jams, and zombies slowly overwhelm you...
Those bottles are cool. Could pick up a set on Amazon for 9 bucks... considering it. On eBay for similar.
So reading through these unit entries. I'm noticing a lot of the dual leaders are pretty similar. I guess the main difference between bandit king and warlord is the former is better at shooting and the latter gets melee and move, with restricted access to a single skill pool. Also the bandit king can only have one brute (though they are elite so..meh). I guess they're pretty even but unless you really like shooting (or smarts) the Warlord seems like a stronger choice? Or am I missing something and the shoot stat is more valuable?
I also noticed that the Maniac is 60 more points than the wrecker, do +1 defense and frother make up the difference or would I be wiser to pick up two wreckers and let them tag team fights?
timd wrote:Where do these cool water containers come from?
They are Meng models 1/35 water bottles for dioramas.
Pacific wrote:
This sounds like the best thing ever!
The Pest Control zombie mission is a lot of fun. We were drowning in zombies towards the end of the mission. As your gun jams, and zombies slowly overwhelm you...
I don't know if you realize this, but that scenario actually received official errata. Zombies cannot out-number the combined war-bands on the table. So if you and your opponent have six models a piece, there cannot be more than twelve zombies.
It does help make the closing of spawns a WHOLE lot more attainable. :-p
This game has got me so interested that I am going to have to double down on painting a great deal to meet my painting goals after what I ended up ordering
I don't know if you realize this, but that scenario actually received official errata. Zombies cannot out-number the combined war-bands on the table. So if you and your opponent have six models a piece, there cannot be more than twelve zombies.
It does help make the closing of spawns a WHOLE lot more attainable. :-p
No I was not aware. That makes things a bit more reasonable and more of a focus on battling your opponent. However, it does miss some of the epic-ness of a zombie horde overwhelming the players.
I don't know if you realize this, but that scenario actually received official errata. Zombies cannot out-number the combined war-bands on the table. So if you and your opponent have six models a piece, there cannot be more than twelve zombies.
It does help make the closing of spawns a WHOLE lot more attainable. :-p
No I was not aware. That makes things a bit more reasonable and more of a focus on battling your opponent. However, it does miss some of the epic-ness of a zombie horde overwhelming the players.
Its still pretty epic to see a skirmish sized game suddenly feature 30-ish models. ;-) One of my favorite scenarios.
I think I am going to start rolling a D10 for scenario, and roll the book ones along with the zombie-one, the demo-kit one, and once I get them, the Cannibal supplement.
While there will be miniature add-ons available, there is no specific pledge just for miniatures, as the focus of the Kickstarter will be on the book. However, if once the campaign starts and there is enough interest in one, I will add an appropriate pledge tier.
While there will be miniature add-ons available, there is no specific pledge just for miniatures, as the focus of the Kickstarter will be on the book. However, if once the campaign starts and there is enough interest in one, I will add an appropriate pledge tier.
Joey
Thanks for he reply. I was just thinking of an option for those who wish to support but own the rules already.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Beyond the printed book, will there be anything else new to pledge for, or stretch-goals you're particularly hoping we reach?
Or will this be a really small KS just focused on the printed core rules?
The stretch goals will be more geared towards added some neat things to everyone's pledges. The focus really is on the book and as a result the campaign will be limited in focus. In the future I plan to do a more generic Kickstarter to fund more miniatures and maybe a book expansion.
I think I might go in on this. Will any of the existing minis be on offer as well? I wouldn't mind adding the gas madk girl to my collection. Getting her and a rulebook together would be really nice though.
Just bumping this thread to remind everyone that the KS launches tonight for the printed rules (and maybe some other stuff).
I'm encouraging everyone to give it a real look because it is an exceptional game that really shames some of the rulesets we have been made to endure over the years.
KS supposedly launches around 8:00pm Eastern-time. Wish it was sooner, but there will be early birds iirc.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Just bumping this thread to remind everyone that the KS launches tonight for the printed rules (and maybe some other stuff).
I'm encouraging everyone to give it a real look because it is an exceptional game that really shames some of the rulesets we have been made to endure over the years.
KS supposedly launches around 8:00pm Eastern-time. Wish it was sooner, but there will be early birds iirc.
Thank you. Just FYI, I believe everyone should have equal access, regardless of time zones, so no early birds.
Excellent news on the "No early birds". They're a quaint gimmick, but more often a cause of stress than a surge of backing. The launch window is when the hardcore supporters go all in regardless, and EB just frustrates those who don't partake.
Hopefully there will be a nice, beefy $100-150 pledge with a book, and some really nice models. :-)
I can't... the realization snuck in that its only two hours until I can give them more money, but months until the models I buy along with the hardcover arrive. :-p
At least I have my .pdf to keep me playing until then.
WOW.. I didn't buy the pdf in anticipation of this.. which I only really found out about a week or two ago.. and.. apparently not buying the pdf screws people out of a free mini.. lol awesome start!
MLaw wrote: WOW.. I didn't buy the pdf in anticipation of this.. which I only really found out about a week or two ago.. and.. apparently not buying the pdf screws people out of a free mini.. lol awesome start!
You can add the mini for $6.50. Really not a big deal and a nod to people who did pay money for the pdf.
You know... for most games "scenarios" would be lame as stretch-goals, and yet for this game I say the more, the merrier. So much love and testing seems to go into TNTs scenarios that I actually just roll a D10, having assigned even the "bonus" ones and demo-kit one numbers, and letting fly.
MLaw wrote: WOW.. I didn't buy the pdf in anticipation of this.. which I only really found out about a week or two ago.. and.. apparently not buying the pdf screws people out of a free mini.. lol awesome start!
You can add the mini for $6.50. Really not a big deal and a nod to people who did pay money for the pdf.
Is the game pretty terrain dense?
Yeah, it's not that much.. I think it's one of those things that just rubbed me the wrong way
Yeah I paid $25 to have the PDF ahead of time and I'll be getting a nod via the Johnny Atomic mini. You can get him now for $18.50 less than I "paid" so... not sure that's worth complaining over Nor am I complaining, I wanted the PDF early so I ordered it. I guess... if you really want to feel special like us early adopters you can go buy the PDF now... get your free $25 mini
Neat stuff so far. I hope you have some wider stretch goals planned for the future, even if it's just for the same stuff (1-3 scenarios) because I think we're going to be throwing money at you pretty violently for awhile.
Just shy of 3k 15 minutes in and a lot of our European friends are probably asleep atm.
Oh, also, I think lots of terrain is good. Basically being in soft/hard cover gives your opponent a 10/20% harder time of hitting you and for cheap grunts who have no armor up to leaders who you just can't afford to have catch a bullet... prevalent terrain FTW. Although as they point out in the rulebook you need to strike a balance. Too much will favor melee and too little will put shooty warbands at a large advantage.
MLaw wrote: WOW.. I didn't buy the pdf in anticipation of this.. which I only really found out about a week or two ago.. and.. apparently not buying the pdf screws people out of a free mini.. lol awesome start!
You can add the mini for $6.50. Really not a big deal and a nod to people who did pay money for the pdf.
Johnny Atomic can be yours for $6.50 and comes with a 25mm plastic base. Sculpted by Shane Hoyle and comes unpainted. Remember, if you previously purchased the PDF rules, Johnny rides with you for free.
Joseph/Deathwing, How does this work? Do I have to tell you I bought the PDF when you send out the survey?
I think it's tied to your Email that you gave on Worldsendpublishing or wargame vault. I may have to shoot the boss a line because my WGV email may differ from my kickstarter one.
Backed. This is a great game, and I'd love to see it take off further. Hardback rulebook is gorgeous (PDF is very lovely), and I recommend it heartilly!
We absolutely love our early adopters! Everyone who has bought the rules prior to the launch of this Kickstarter gets a free limited edition miniature add-on Johnny Atomic, the Voice of the Wasteland! If you previously bought the rules from either Wargames Vault or the World’s End Publishing Website, we will be able to verify your purchase. Just use the email address you used to purchase the original pdf. New email address? Contact us.
So either it gets taken care of automatically or you just send them an email before it gets sorted and work it out that way.
So to have ALL THE SCENARIOS (because I don't want to have ALL THE MODELS, converting is more fun for me in this instance...) you buy the book (for the core set) get the first scenario tacked on free now that we passed goal one. Can get the second batch of 3 scenarios for 2 bucks instead of 3, and then there are the two currently existing PDFs for the wasteland essentials and cannibal mutants, I think both of those come with scenarios and even if CM doesn't... hate to miss out on a faction.
We absolutely love our early adopters! Everyone who has bought the rules prior to the launch of this Kickstarter gets a free limited edition miniature add-on Johnny Atomic, the Voice of the Wasteland! If you previously bought the rules from either Wargames Vault or the World’s End Publishing Website, we will be able to verify your purchase. Just use the email address you used to purchase the original pdf. New email address? Contact us.
So either it gets taken care of automatically or you just send them an email before it gets sorted and work it out that way.
So to have ALL THE SCENARIOS (because I don't want to have ALL THE MODELS, converting is more fun for me in this instance...) you buy the book (for the core set) get the first scenario tacked on free now that we passed goal one. Can get the second batch of 3 scenarios for 2 bucks instead of 3, and then there are the two currently existing PDFs for the wasteland essentials and cannibal mutants, I think both of those come with scenarios and even if CM doesn't... hate to miss out on a faction.
Correct, but be sure to download the free-demo-game kit, as it also includes a unique scenario. :-)
Righto, I've backed this, though I'm a bit worried when they say the book might not be available after the KS. I plan to demo this at a club to get people interested and if they ask where they can get that lovely book I'm supposed to tell them you can't get the physical book anymore? Can't the company speak to someone like Osprey, or along those lines?
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Awesome to see this start so strongly! Will be adding my pledge before the weekend.
overtyrant wrote: Righto, I've backed this, though I'm a bit worried when they say the book might not be available after the KS. I plan to demo this at a club to get people interested and if they ask where they can get that lovely book I'm supposed to tell them you can't get the physical book anymore? Can't the company speak to someone like Osprey, or along those lines?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also seems like an unnecessarily long campaign as well!
From my experience of this sort of thing would be very surprised if it's not generally available after the KS ends. The funds from this will probably go to get X amount printed, some of which will eventually find their way to distributors. In the meantime there is the PDF!
I wouldn't. More bits will increase shipping and the creator is a one man show. Shipping costs look to be something he's quite cautious of and forcgood reason, I find it more likely that we'll see bonus digital content than many figures. Maybe some figures, but this isn't going to be s freebie bonanza like some mantic/cmon deals.
Woah now I think your post comes off a bit more pissy Wheaties than mine. Apologies, he updated stretchgoal without a formal update and I didn't see that additional figures were already included which would have established precident and colored my response, most/all other projects I've followed had updates to brag about stretches rather than sneaking them in line that
Sorry if the post came off as offensive but operating with my, admittedly incorrect, knowledge I didn't want anyone getting their hopes too high. Really wasn't trying to inject snark or assishness just caution, though somewhat mislead caution.
GrimDork wrote: Woah now I think your post comes off a bit more pissy Wheaties than mine. Apologies, he updated stretchgoal without a formal update and I didn't see that additional figures were already included which would have established precident and colored my response, most/all other projects I've followed had updates to brag about stretches rather than sneaking them in line that
Sorry if the post came off as offensive but operating with my, admittedly incorrect, knowledge I didn't want anyone getting their hopes too high. Really wasn't trying to inject snark or assishness just caution, though somewhat mislead caution.
Yay free rats.
I think most people here are just excited and who knows where the funding and stretch goals will go? I do know that others talking us out of free stuff won't make many people happy
The rules aren't terribly complicated as long as one if you knows what you're doing. As long as one player can keep track of people activating right and how to handle shooting damage etc, it isn't terribly complicated. It *is* a skirmish game so there will be extra bits and rolls and tests in places that board and hybrid games would be simpler, bug its not crazy.
So less complicated than infinity but moreso than really simple rule sets.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I wish he would use some of the funding to put the existing supplements, or the new scenarios, into the rulebook.
Agreed, I think that would definitely be a good use of funds, though if the book has already been sent to the printers for estimates and the like it would certainly cause delays and added costs.
Perhaps a stretch goal where the for-purchase PDFs are included free? That would mess with the funding people have already put in though, so I doubt it will happen. Still, I am excited to see what the upcoming stretch goals are, especially the five we've already passed since the last update.
I also feel like I should mention that it is awesome to see this Kickstarter campaign really taking off like this. I did some editing work on the book, and I really hope TNT, and World's Edge Publishing with it, really grow from this.
I disagree with expanding the core book, it's perfect as is and any additions or changes to it would make for an even later shipping date. Giving us expansion pdf's at a later date is an excellent solution and can always, later down the road, be compiled into another book of sorts, for another KS?
Offering for-sale pdf's for free is, while nice, not very profitable for the chap who runs the company by himself.
All in all, I would personally very much like to see this campaign kept simple and to the point, I'd rather not see a fine starting company like World End Publishing go under because "there must be more free stuff" in this campaign to make it more attractive.
BrookM wrote: I disagree with expanding the core book, it's perfect as is and any additions or changes to it would make for an even later shipping date. Giving us expansion pdf's at a later date is an excellent solution and can always, later down the road, be compiled into another book of sorts, for another KS?
Offering for-sale pdf's for free is, while nice, not very profitable for the chap who runs the company by himself.
All in all, I would personally very much like to see this campaign kept simple and to the point, I'd rather not see a fine starting company like World End Publishing go under because "there must be more free stuff" in this campaign to make it more attractive.
I modified my previous post as you were posting, just FYI. I agree with the points you are making, and think that (although it is attractive) making the PDFs free would make a lot of people modify their pledge amounts, which could cause havoc for the Kickstarter total.
Expanding the content of the printed book would likely be problematic. I wouldn't be surprised if the layout of the book was finalized a good while ago. Flexibility like that can be expensive, especially for a small operation.
In my experience, hard copy books are basically loss leaders. They are expensive to produce, especially in small volumes, and I know many companies that sell their hard copy rulebooks basically at cost.
Personally, I love the heck out of a good hard copy rulebook. A printed rulebook provides a very visceral, tangible connection to a game that is important to me.
Plenty of folks feel the same way, and so printed rulebooks can be a very important sales driver. But rules, in and of themselves (even in a spendy high quality print run with a $50-$60 retail price tag) aren't money makers.
This is the sort of campaign that is true to the ostensible purpose of crowdfunding. It isn't about making money; it is about players helping a small company create a niche product that otherwise wouldn't exist.
MindwormGames wrote: Expanding the content of the printed book would likely be problematic. I wouldn't be surprised if the layout of the book was finalized a good while ago. Flexibility like that can be expensive, especially for a small operation.
In my experience, hard copy books are basically loss leaders. They are expensive to produce, especially in small volumes, and I know many companies that sell their hard copy rulebooks basically at cost.
Personally, I love the heck out of a good hard copy rulebook. A printed rulebook provides a very visceral, tangible connection to a game that is important to me.
Plenty of folks feel the same way, and so printed rulebooks can be a very important sales driver. But rules, in and of themselves (even in a spendy high quality print run with a $50-$60 retail price tag) aren't money makers.
This is the sort of campaign that is true to the ostensible purpose of crowdfunding. It isn't about making money; it is about players helping a small company create a niche product that otherwise wouldn't exist.
You, sir, are my hero. This pretty much sums it all up. This Kickstarter is really about answering the call to give folks what they want, a physical rulebook. Harback books of this size are expensive to make and ship. The book indeed has already been laid out and is ready to go and I cannot simply add stuff without dramatically shifting costs and my ability to deliver on time. Any profit from the Kickstarter, which will be significantly less that most people think, after fees, shipping, production costs, and all those "freebies" are added in, will be rolled into future releases. I may buy myself a beer, however. .
Wondering if the book would qualify for USPS Media Mail rates. A two pound qualifying book mails for $3.22 anywhere in the US.
"Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:
a.
Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display,"
classified, or editorial style.
Well, you could have planned ahead a little. To go to all the effort to make a hardback rulebook that is so incomplete seems like a wasted opportunity. Why would you not have thought about including all the existing scenarios?
Not gonna lie...when I read the latest update with the new stretch goal with 5 MORE peacekeepers, I actually started ventilating. 10 Peacekeepers in total? That's my entire Peacekeeper warband sorted and then some. (All I need now is a box of wargamesa factory GIs converted to look like New California Republic Conscript soldiers inspired by Wyrmallas fantstic conversions. I'll use them as deputized settlers probably. And powder gangers for sacrificial lambs).
I went for the Peacekeeper pledge and a bunch of add ons, do I get ALL unlocked stretch goals or do I have to pledge more? I'm new to kick starter, not entirely familiar with all the terminology.
I went for the Peacekeeper pledge and a bunch of add ons, do I get ALL unlocked stretch goals or do I have to pledge more? I'm new to kick starter, not entirely familiar with all the terminology.
If something is an add-on, you need to increase your pledge total to cover the cost of it. The 5 Peacekeepers will cost you an additional $32.50 (as per Joey in the update comments), so raise your pledge by that amount.
The free rats and digital content are included in your pledge level.
The hardback book is complete, the other scenarios are from supplements. Main rulebooks almost never include supplements like people are suggesting, 40k book has what six game types? Most of the mantic books have additional scenarios outside the core rules, so does Pulp Alley, and I'm sure others.
Just curious, but did we skip a few stretches? I only ask because I see a gap between 10k and 15k? Oh, was it meant to be the five Peace-Keepers, as in one per 1k broken/surpassed?
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Just curious, but did we skip a few stretches? I only ask because I see a gap between 10k and 15k? Oh, was it meant to be the five Peace-Keepers, as in one per 1k broken/surpassed?
I'm assuming he was going to do each individually, but as we blasted through so many unrevealed SG he just unlocked them all at once.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Just curious, but did we skip a few stretches? I only ask because I see a gap between 10k and 15k? Oh, was it meant to be the five Peace-Keepers, as in one per 1k broken/surpassed?
We in fact did blow through a bunch of stretch goals, so I just unlocked the big one.. I did not anticipate that we would go threw them all in the first 24 hours and was originally waiting to release the Peacekeepers separately. However, since folks are so solidly behind us, I thought what better way to celebrate $5,000 in Stretch Goals, then to release one miniature add-on per $1,000, so five Peacekeepers. Note that these are add-ons and your pledge amount will have to be increased to get them. All the best.
Hi everyone, this will be an odd update, but we've goofed.
We never expected such an incredible response to the campaign and we maybe jumped the gun a bit when it came to new add-ons. We have had to lock the current King of the Wasteland pledge level as it has the proviso that all miniature add-ons are included (for free). With this flurry of new miniature add-ons, we realized we'd be giving away hundreds of dollars worth of minis for free. As a small business we just can't handle that.
For those of you who have already pledged at this level, rest assured we will honor both the spirit and word of that pledge. The new Peacekeepers and robots (should we unlock them) will be included for free for those backers.
This will be a valuable learning opportunity for us, and we appreciate your continued support.
We will work through the details of a new pledge level too, something that provides a reasonable discount for all of our existing range.
Did you say this was the first one you've backed or was that someone else? People tend to get spendy the first time they run into kickstarter, and usually their restraint grows in over time
And even if I'm misremembering and that's not the case... if I wasn't so keen to do loads of conversions for this... I'd be right there with you
GrimDork wrote: You said this was the first one you've backed? People tend to get spendy the first time they run into kickstarter, and usually their restraint grows in over time
No, this is my third. But the first two were very small with few to no add ons, hence why I'm unfamiliar with the terminology and add on structure.
This is so gonna be worth it though and I expect this will be my last major hobby purchase for this year. (although...I do still want some woodland indians from Warlord for a tribal warband, and some zombie survivors, and more vault dwellers for my caravanners, and, and and...).
Between TNT, my Lord of the Rings and Hasslefree collections that I'm painting up for a D&D campaign I'm running, and the scores of board game miniatures (Zombicide, Magic the Gathering, Besieged) that my friends at my gaming club are asking (and offering to pay) me to paint, this is shaping up to be a very busy year of hobbying for me.
Edit: oh yeah, and I want some Warlord american GI's to convert into NCR conscripts following Wyrmalla's example.
Oh ok I had someone else then my bad. The woodland indians (plastic!) are on my buy list though I'm holding off for awhile if I can. The survivors are working out very well for conversions so far.
@Nostromodomus it took me quite a few campaigns to finally stop backing so heavily Also, is that nostromo like the gamepad (or the ship from aliens or whatever), interesting play on words has taken me seeing the name a bunch to even notice its not the famous person
GrimDork wrote: Also, is that nostromo like the gamepad (or the ship from aliens or whatever), interesting play on words has taken me seeing the name a bunch to even notice its not the famous person
Incidentally can anyone recommend any decent, ideally affordable pieces of building terrain with interiors for TNT?
A few friends have made their own, and I have mountains of ruins from 40k, etc... but i'd love some small houses preferably with windows, and potentially "rooms", with removable roofs?
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Incidentally can anyone recommend any decent, ideally affordable pieces of building terrain with interiors for TNT?
A few friends have made their own, and I have mountains of ruins from 40k, etc... but i'd love some small houses preferably with windows, and potentially "rooms", with removable roofs?
I'm using Mantic 20th Century Battlezones, Wolsung Shanty Town buildings and a variety of pieces from Novus and Secret Weapon for scatter.
There's also a KS right now by Stone Skull Studios for furniture, with one of the lines being Retro Modern. Perfect for Fallout-themed Post-Apoc!
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: Incidentally can anyone recommend any decent, ideally affordable pieces of building terrain with interiors for TNT?
A few friends have made their own, and I have mountains of ruins from 40k, etc... but i'd love some small houses preferably with windows, and potentially "rooms", with removable roofs?
Amera plastic molding, Plast Craft Games, Armorcast, Ainsty, Kobblestone, some model railroad terrain, Angry Mojo, 4ground.. There's at least 2 or 3 dozen more. Do NOT get the Warlord Games plastic scenery it is not the right scale. I bought some of the blown out buildings and they're closer to 20-25mm.
Also.. Battle Systems... it says you can still pledge but it looks like there was an update in January that it might've been locked down. I missed that one (Urban Apocalypse) but it would've been good for this.
Okay, I have another question for you guys who already have the rules. Am I able to make a warband composed entirely of robots? If not, are robots available to all factions?
Barzam wrote: Okay, I have another question for you guys who already have the rules. Am I able to make a warband composed entirely of robots? If not, are robots available to all factions?
No. And yes, robots can be purchased as mercenaries. Expensive though iirc.
Preservers have access to robotsnas part of their warband.
Great to see the model line expanded a bit, not all of my friends are as in to scouring the web for miniatures as me, so full gangs being available for direct purchase sounds great for recruitment.
-end of New Mexico wasteland type of game. A couple of weapon swaps, kitbashing, and a few Zinge Industries flexible ammo belts could certainly turn some spare cowboys into a thematic TNT gang.
Will be watching with interest !
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