Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker. I just hope, as a non-Netflixer, it gets a DVD release sooner rather than later...
I actually haven't seen the original movie, but I hear it's pretty tragically bad.
I think this might do quite well. The success of The Dark Knight trilogy and Arrow have proven that the gritty, close-to-the-streets type of hero work well, and Daredevil is the epitome of that. The tough sell will be the blindness/radar vision side of it, and I'm interested to see whether they do some kind of POV/special effects shots for that, or simply imply it through the way he acts/moves and describes it.
As with a lot of heroes in the Marvel-verse... orrible accident of some kind= super powers.
And yes- Daredevil movie was AWFUL. The one thing they got right was casting Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Not many guys his size around. I'll be interested to see where they go with it in this one.
As pointed out elsewhere this seems to really take from the Man Without Fear (Frank Miller and John Romita Jr) story which was an origin story for the character, though I am pretty sure they are going to leave out the Electra element at this point.
I believe this is supposed to take place in the same world as The Avengers but is a more "street level" series.
I really enjoyed the Daredevil movie. I've never understood the hate. I used to love the comics too though I stopped reading after the last reboot. I remember Daredevil came out about the same time as Spiderman, which was far too colourful, full of dreadful cgi and shocking acting.
angelofvengeance wrote: As with a lot of heroes in the Marvel-verse... orrible accident of some kind= super powers.
And yes- Daredevil movie was AWFUL. The one thing they got right was casting Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Not many guys his size around. I'll be interested to see where they go with it in this one.
Agreed. Michael Clark Duncan was perfect. I'll check that show out for sure.
The one thing they got right was casting Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin. Not many guys his size around. I'll be interested to see where they go with it in this one.
There are a number of guys his size, but most of them that big don't have the appearance of strength, which Michael Clarke Duncan did. John Goodman, for one has/had the size, but as I said, he just doesn't look that strong, which, I suppose for Kingpin is pretty important.
I do wonder if, in that trailer, the broad shouldered bald dude is going to be Kingpin... If so, I would seriously hope this is a sort of "pre red suit" or Year 0 type deal, because, IMO, Kingpin needs to be bigger
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Howard... I also did enjoy the DD movies, but I also see that there are quite a number of really bad aspects of it... sleeping submerged in water?? yeah.... no.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Howard... I also did enjoy the DD movies, but I also see that there are quite a number of really bad aspects of it... sleeping submerged in water?? yeah.... no.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @Howard... I also did enjoy the DD movies, but I also see that there are quite a number of really bad aspects of it... sleeping submerged in water?? yeah.... no.
Howard A Treesong wrote: I really enjoyed the Daredevil movie. I've never understood the hate. I used to love the comics too though I stopped reading after the last reboot. I remember Daredevil came out about the same time as Spiderman, which was far too colourful, full of dreadful cgi and shocking acting.
It was sort of meh to me. I guess the best word i could use to describe it is pulpy. Not bad, just not enough to generate any interest. Keep in mind though that i didn't know who daredevil was when i saw it, although i knew who the kingpin was.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: I do wonder if, in that trailer, the broad shouldered bald dude is going to be Kingpin... If so, I would seriously hope this is a sort of "pre red suit" or Year 0 type deal, because, IMO, Kingpin needs to be bigger
It is, and if they are following The Man Without Fear as their template he is an enforcer for much of it but even if they have him as the Kingpin of Crime for all of it he won't be comic book levels of absurd size. It is also Vincent D'Onfrio (Full Metal Jacket, L&O: Major Crimes) playing the part and he is a fairly burly guy, though it isn't always obvious.
Ahtman wrote: It is also Vincent D'Onfrio (Full Metal Jacket, L&O: Major Crimes) playing the part and he is a fairly burly guy, though it isn't always obvious.
OOooooo... he's a good choice. He usually plays crazy/ bad guys really really well (he was also the main bad guy in The Cell... say what you will about that film) So I may just have to check this out when episodes start up
D'Onfrio played a mobster in Fire with Fire and was unconvincing. But I really do like him as an actor so I'll wait and see how his take on Kingpin looks.
Ahtman wrote: It is also Vincent D'Onfrio (Full Metal Jacket, L&O: Major Crimes) playing the part and he is a fairly burly guy, though it isn't always obvious.
OOooooo... he's a good choice. He usually plays crazy/ bad guys really really well (he was also the main bad guy in The Cell... say what you will about that film) So I may just have to check this out when episodes start up
I really like the Cell, even with what's her face in it. He was creepy as all get out in that one
Well, it will be in the same MCU setting. So far, the early articles/reviews say it won't tie in so much as coexist (so no movie crossover plots or Nick Fury cameos like in AoS), basically dealing with the world that exists after the Battle of New York and how that has changed lives for the common folk.
Hulksmash wrote: Also haven't kept up but is this going to tie in with the Marvel Movie Universe like Agents of Shield does?
If by '... like Agents of SHIELD does.', you mean "on the outside looking in", then yes.
It might reference it, but the producers have said they have to 'earn' the crossover, which is a way of saying "We're involved, but we follow the leader, and don't make waves". Marvel TV is akin to Black Library or FFG - basically everything they do 'counts', but they don't get to do anything the main people don't want them to do.
Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker..
Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker..
We must have watched very different shows...
You didn't like Arrow, then? Personally, I thought (going off what I've seen, Series 1 and 2) it was one of the most consistent shows that has been on in a long time (in recent years, Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers are the only series that have matched it in not having a bad episode), and has amazing production values thoughout.
But that is just an opinion, I'm not shooting you down.
Honestly all we need now is some pretty good 'dark' characters to cameo and we've got the gritty properties started off. Feige hinted at Punisher maybe showing up over a year ago when talking about getting the Daredevil rights back.
I honestly love the Arrow series- if they can pull off something like that here then I'll give Daredevil a shot. It'd also be nice to see Matt Murdock transition to a proper hero costume toward the end of the 1st season.
-Loki- wrote: Honestly all we need now is some pretty good 'dark' characters to cameo and we've got the gritty properties started off. Feige hinted at Punisher maybe showing up over a year ago when talking about getting the Daredevil rights back.
I'd love to see Punisher thrown in with Daredevil, maybe in the second series. Use the first series to set up DD as the dark-but-hopeful one, always willing to forgive (and maybe have him lose something/someone because of that 'weakness'), and then bring in Punisher as someone with a very different approach to the same goal. Have his 'take no prisoners' mentality get results that DD just can't with his self-imposed limits, and push him towards breaking those (although bviously not actually doing so, not killing is as fundamental a part of his character as it is Batman's).Giving Punisher something like that to work with, rather than 'all violence, all the time', would lead to some very interesting stuff.
Paradigm wrote: I actually haven't seen the original movie, but I hear it's pretty tragically bad.
I think this might do quite well. The success of The Dark Knight trilogy and Arrow have proven that the gritty, close-to-the-streets type of hero work well, and Daredevil is the epitome of that. The tough sell will be the blindness/radar vision side of it, and I'm interested to see whether they do some kind of POV/special effects shots for that, or simply imply it through the way he acts/moves and describes it.
If the dark knight trilogy prove anything, it's that batman is better off without the titular character. Titular meaning he's a giant tit.
Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker..
We must have watched very different shows...
You didn't like Arrow, then? Personally, I thought (going off what I've seen, Series 1 and 2) it was one of the most consistent shows that has been on in a long time (in recent years, Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers are the only series that have matched it in not having a bad episode), and has amazing production values thoughout.
But that is just an opinion, I'm not shooting you down.
I thought Arrow was total bobbins, but then I also thought Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers were total bobbins as well. I think we must just have very different taste in TV. Also Cumberbatch looks too much like Admiral Ackbar for me to enjoy anything hes in.
Hulksmash wrote: Also haven't kept up but is this going to tie in with the Marvel Movie Universe like Agents of Shield does?
If by '... like Agents of SHIELD does.', you mean "on the outside looking in", then yes.
It might reference it, but the producers have said they have to 'earn' the crossover, which is a way of saying "We're involved, but we follow the leader, and don't make waves". Marvel TV is akin to Black Library or FFG - basically everything they do 'counts', but they don't get to do anything the main people don't want them to do.
That's exactly what I meant
I see Shield as a jump off/introductory show for the movies and something to keep interest. If they can use the DD series to introduce darker characters and kinda build up some non-avenger characters it'll be worth it.
I watched the first two episodes this morning and they live up to my expectations. Fight scenes are movie quality choreography, the first two episodes alone could have been slightly increased in scope and released as a movie that would be on par with the best super hero origin movies.
Rosario Dawsen and Vincent D'Onofrio. I'm impressed.
First couple of episodes were kinda slow, lots of talking and less on the "super" hero stuff. Aside from that, this is a hell of a lot better written than the Marvel movies.
There are references to rebuilding the city, a man in an iron suit or with a magic hammer so this is in the MCU but not in a "team up" sort of way. It's all low key and the Avengers' battles seem like somebody else's problem to this show.
Finished the season and I was pretty pleased. Way better than Agents of SHIELD, and I love how the series actually doesn't expect you to have seen the MCU movies to make heads or tails of the plot
Finished episode 2. If Green Arrow is the Bruce Lee of TV superheroes, Daredevil is the Jackie Chan- from the Legend of Drunken Master era. I am enjoying the desperate fights with jobbers and mooks more than I ought to.
One of the things I really like is how he doesn't get right back up after falling through a couple of rotting floors in a three story warehouse. We know he won't die but he should invest in better plot armor anyway. Maybe something like what the Arrow has.
Watched the whole season this weekend.
I think it was pretty good. Ep. 11(?) was really slow, though.
I think the ending of Ep. 13 was weak. See spoiler.
Spoiler:
I think it should have ended either with the Kingpin imprisoned by the FBI and not freed, or freed and fleeing the country. The fight with Daredevil at the end was unneccesary and doesn't fit imho.
Hanskrampf wrote: Watched the whole season this weekend.
I think it was pretty good. Ep. 11(?) was really slow, though.
I think the ending of Ep. 13 was weak. See spoiler.
Spoiler:
I think it should have ended either with the Kingpin imprisoned by the FBI and not freed, or freed and fleeing the country. The fight with Daredevil at the end was unneccesary and doesn't fit imho.
Based on the comics, that's what they both would have done.
IIRC, Kingpin's only ever been to prison once, and that's because he wanted to. He'd definitely not go somewhere he hasn't paid people off.
Tonally, it looks very similar to Arrow, which is great; if it can match the quality of that in writing and acting as well, this could be a real cracker..
We must have watched very different shows...
You didn't like Arrow, then? Personally, I thought (going off what I've seen, Series 1 and 2) it was one of the most consistent shows that has been on in a long time (in recent years, Primeval, Sherlock and The Musketeers are the only series that have matched it in not having a bad episode), and has amazing production values thoughout.
But that is just an opinion, I'm not shooting you down.
I'm with Melvin on this. Although I'll concede that Arrow is very consistent - every episode is almost exactly the same . I don't think the acting in it's that great though - it's mostly just scowls and people saying in a very serious voice "Now we start fighting back" every time they get their ass kicked . I honestly much prefer Agents of SHIELD to Arrow (and Flash to either).
I did like Sherlock though (not seen the other shows you mentioned). Sill, am looking forward to this Daredevil when I have some time.
YMMV, though.
Honestly...I'm not getting the praise for this one. Agents may be pulpy, but it's entertaining and they only dick around with the payoffs when the movie schedule requires it of them, this series did nothing other than remind me why I'm glad the MCU movie-team have sworn off origin stories going forward.
After about five episodes of The Adventures of Pajama Man, I was ready to see some Daredevil but the show just kept disappointing me, apparently feeling the need to not just give us the origin story of T-shirt Ninja and Comedy Sidekick Boy, but for Kingpin as well. Well, sorry chum, I don't care how traumatic your childhood was, squishing a bloke's head with a car door pretty much puts you beyond sympathy from the non-sociopath audience demographic.
I'll have to concur with Bran that the order is looking like shaking out as Flash > Agents > Arrow > > > > This Drek in terms of quality(I rate Agents above Flash myself, but only because I prefer the MCU to DC's background).
Flash and Agents constantly switch places for me too. I like Arrow but it doesn't have the sense of humor about itself the other two do.
As for Dare Devil I enjoyed the first two episodes. I'll watch a few more over the next week or two. It's not AMAZING but it's interesting. Though I'm a little sad to hear the entire season is basically an origin story.
Saw the first three episodes tonight, and so far, two thumbs up! The fight scenes are great, brilliantly coreographged and shot, and perhaps most importantly, only used when they have to be. Rather than just showing off that Murdock is a badass, each fight so far has actually meant something to the plot, which is rather refreshing. I also love the fact that he does take one hell of a beating when outnumbered or outmatched, rather than just wading through hordes of baddies and coming out unscathed. The corridor fight in ep2 with the Russians is a perfect example; aside from the fact he's the protagonist, there's never anything to suggest he'll actually win until the last guy hits the floor.
I also rather like the fact they don't labour the point of his powers or his 'secret identify', which are hinted at but not forced down our throats at all. The directing is neat too, very good use of shot and colour to build a perfect atmosphere for the show.
I don't think I'll compare it to Agents of SHIELD as the two are so radically different, but compared to its most similar companion Arrow, I think this has the potential to be a lot more focussed and tight.
but compared to its most similar companion Arrow, I think this has the potential to be a lot more focussed and tight.
To be fair it doesn't have to appeal to teen girls like a show on CW does
That is very true. The (for want of a better word) 'girly' bits of Arrow are by far the weakest, whereas I don't see (in the 3 episodes I've watched) Daredevil getting bogged down in romance subplots and/or teen drama. The smaller main cast, the rather limited scale/scope and the fact that so far I'm not sure there's been an irrelevant scene put this level (and very potentially ahead of) Arrow, which I still think is great, but it's easy to look at DD and see where Arrow could be lot sharper (no pun intended).
I'm liking it so far. Up to episode 9 I think. Cast seems good. One gripe I have is how dark everything is. I mean, I get that they probably were like "OMG, he's blind, let's make everything dark like we're looking through his eyes that can't see anything", but it kinda starts to get old for me after a while.
It starts out amazing but goes above average as it goes on. The fight at the end of episode 2 is downright mind-blowing and will be in lists of best fight scenes for quite some time. Certainly worth watching.
Spoiler:
I kind of wished it had ended with Fisk escaping instead of escaping only to get caught right off. It would have pushed the theme that not everyone gets the happy ending, but they still would have foiled his plan, just not getting him. It also plays a bit into the comic where the character is just out of reach. Oh well. D'onofrio really brought Fisk to life and made him both relatable and evil in equal measure. Still have room for the Hand and other shenanigans.
It even had a passing mention of Electra in the series, which was nice.
I really wasn't expecting Ben to die right off.
There is also the James Wesley thread that hasn't been pulled at quite yet.
Ahtman wrote: It starts out amazing but goes above average as it goes on. The fight at the end of episode 2 is downright mind-blowing and will be in lists of best fight scenes for quite some time. Certainly worth watching.
Spoiler:
I kind of wished it had ended with Fisk escaping instead of escaping only to get caught right off. It would have pushed the theme that not everyone gets the happy ending, but they still would have foiled his plan, just not getting him. It also plays a bit into the comic where the character is just out of reach. Oh well. D'onofrio really brought Fisk to life and made him both relatable and evil in equal measure. Still have room for the Hand and other shenanigans.
It even had a passing mention of Electra in the series, which was nice.
I really wasn't expecting Ben to die right off.
There is also the James Wesley thread that hasn't been pulled at quite yet.
I agree.
Spoiler:
Fisk getting caught was a bit disappointing and surprised me. That being said I suspect we haven't seen the last of him. I also suspect that the Westley Karin story line isn't done with. Madame Gao will almost certainly reappear for the Iron Fist series. The symbol on the heroine she was selling is the same symbol that Iron Fist villain Steel Serpent has on his chest.
There were lots of tie ins to the rest of the Marvel Universe. From Karl Crusher Creel, the absorbing man, fighting Matt's dad, to the "Greek girl" Matt dated in college (Electra), to Roxxon Oil, Van Lundt Real estate. Father Lantom is a reoccurring priest in the Marvel universe, working with Cloak and Dagger and Nightcrawler among others. When the show mentions Kingpin taking over Rigoletto's books, they are giving a nod to the comic origins. Don Rigoletto was a mob boss who first hired Fisk as his bodyguard and enforcer, before Fisk took his life – and his criminal empire along with it. Leland Owlsley is the villain the Owl in the comics. We shall see if he really died from that fall. St Agnes orphanage is the same one that Skye from Agents of SHIELD was at.
There was a hidden cameo from Stan Lee on the wall here:
And of course the references to the "incident" that wrecked Hells Kitchen which was the events of the Avengers movie.
No, the suit they designed for the show looks fine, it just would have been nice to see it before the last 15 minutes of the final episode of the season is all.
Yodhrin wrote: ... they only dick around with the payoffs when the movie schedule requires it of them...
Yeah. The rest of the time Agents just doesn't have payoffs.
Agents is like LOST. The only important things happen right at the end of each episode. Damn is it better than Season 1, but the show is still going in circles, skirting the edges of the MCU without ever diving in.
Yodhrin wrote: No, the suit they designed for the show looks fine, it just would have been nice to see it before the last 15 minutes of the final episode of the season is all.
Why though? He wasn't Daredevil yet, so why would he have the suit?
Yodhrin wrote: No, the suit they designed for the show looks fine, it just would have been nice to see it before the last 15 minutes of the final episode of the season is all.
And how would he get it? Plot convenient reason for a blind man to know a tailor for superheroes? The way they did it is fine as it doesn't require much in the way of suspended disbelief.
Plus, as the previous poster pointed out, he was the devil of Hell's Kitchen for most of the season. They tied the suit to the character, and built him up. He's no Batman, able to afford all the toys. Nor is he spidey, who buys a morph suit off the internet.
Hmm. I just realized Ben isn't working at the Bugle. Guess Spider-man has dibs on that. So weird to see things having to be reworked everywhere because of these licensing issues.
Breotan wrote: Hmm. I just realized Ben isn't working at the Bugle. Guess Spider-man has dibs on that. So weird to see things having to be reworked everywhere because of these licensing issues.
If the production had started 6 months after it did, he would've been at the Bugle.
Yodhrin wrote: ... they only dick around with the payoffs when the movie schedule requires it of them...
Yeah. The rest of the time Agents just doesn't have payoffs.
Agents is like LOST. The only important things happen right at the end of each episode. Damn is it better than Season 1, but the show is still going in circles, skirting the edges of the MCU without ever diving in.
Wait, so it has payoffs at the end of episodes, but it doesn't have payoffs? The show has a pretty standard structure for an episodic-with-hints-of-serialisation adventure series; you can be free to not enjoy that, but something being what it is doesn't make it bad, just not to your taste. The same goes for the latter criticism; I get that Agents isn't what some people wanted, but I like the characters in the show plenty, I don't need to see Thor and Iron Man pop out of the walls every couple of weeks to enjoy the stories it's telling.
Yodhrin wrote: No, the suit they designed for the show looks fine, it just would have been nice to see it before the last 15 minutes of the final episode of the season is all.
Why though? He wasn't Daredevil yet, so why would he have the suit?
Yodhrin wrote: No, the suit they designed for the show looks fine, it just would have been nice to see it before the last 15 minutes of the final episode of the season is all.
And how would he get it? Plot convenient reason for a blind man to know a tailor for superheroes? The way they did it is fine as it doesn't require much in the way of suspended disbelief.
Plus, as the previous poster pointed out, he was the devil of Hell's Kitchen for most of the season. They tied the suit to the character, and built him up. He's no Batman, able to afford all the toys. Nor is he spidey, who buys a morph suit off the internet.
Well, yes, I know he wasn't Daredevil yet, that was rather my point. Origin stories are often boring at standard blockbuster movie length, Pajama Devil clocks in at almost 13 hours, and we only get to see the actual character the show is named for in the last 15 minutes. Given the number of Long Soulful Stare Style 5 and Poignant Silence Type 2 scenes, there's no reason they couldn't have reshuffled the order of play so the "mild manners lawyer-to-gravelly voiced hero" routine was dealt with by episode 5 or 6, and shifted the Fisk origin story and the Luke Cage/Defenders worldbuilding stuff to the latter half of the season.
Yodhrin wrote: Well, yes, I know he wasn't Daredevil yet, that was rather my point. Origin stories are often boring at standard blockbuster movie length, Pajama Devil clocks in at almost 13 hours, and we only get to see the actual character the show is named for in the last 15 minutes. Given the number of Long Soulful Stare Style 5 and Poignant Silence Type 2 scenes, there's no reason they couldn't have reshuffled the order of play so the "mild manners lawyer-to-gravelly voiced hero" routine was dealt with by episode 5 or 6, and shifted the Fisk origin story and the Luke Cage/Defenders worldbuilding stuff to the latter half of the season.
So you're saying you'd rather see a series that's just "Here's Daredevil. Kthxbye." instead of one that actually takes the time to set things up and explain it in a way that ties into the movieverse and heavily hints at Daredevil getting involved in the Avengers/vice versa? Because there's a word for that. The word is wrong.
In a film environment, yes, I'd agree. I'm sick to death of 3 hour sittings of the same redone story telling the same origin of character X. But a television series doesn't have that capability. If the series doesn't set anything up, they can't form a cohesive plotline. Daredevil is ESPECIALLY so, as, by the time he's donned the mask, most of his enemies are already set in stone.
While superhero origins have gotten stale (because seriously... they're all the same bs more or less) at the very least, we haven't seen Daredevil's on screen before. The movie skipped that entirely so it could do a bad version of a fan favorite storyline
LordofHats wrote: While superhero origins have gotten stale (because seriously... they're all the same bs more or less) at the very least, we haven't seen Daredevil's on screen before. The movie skipped that entirely so it could do a bad version of a fan favorite storyline
To be fair, the top 3 points the series set up, for me, are:
Yodhrin wrote: Wait, so it has payoffs at the end of episodes, but it doesn't have payoffs?
When the show finally has a payoff I'll let you know.
Yodhrin wrote: The show has a pretty standard structure for an episodic-with-hints-of-serialisation adventure series; you can be free to not enjoy that, but something being what it is doesn't make it bad, just not to your taste.
No. It makes it bad. Agents of SHILED, during its first season, was bad television. If it wasn't the pointless monster-of-the-week stories, it was the overblown score screaming "YOU SHOULD FEEL LIKE THIS NOW!" as it drowned everything out. The second season of AoS improved dramatically (well, really, everything from when Winter Soldier hit), and the first half of this season was well paced, using the momentum it had earned from its strong first season finish. It was finally something that was fun to watch again.
But ever since it's returned from its break it's just kinda wasted that potential, meandering around with plotlines, hinting at things without actually doing anything, and then, worst of all, falling onto a "traitors in our midst" storyline for this do-nothing, go-nowhere "Real Shield" plot that has just sucked all the energy out. If it wasn't for the Inhuman's introduction there'd just be no point.
And, again, it contniues to skirt around the edges of the MCU without getting involved. It's almost as if every episode is saying "Look at all the cool stuff happening just off screen!", and it's frustrating because I like the promise this show had, I just take issue with its execution. Now it's final episodes could improve, and in all honesty I think they will, but right now to say this show is in any way good is just silly, especially with shows like Flash on TV.
It's passable. It'll do. It could be so much more though (look at what Agent Carter did with 8 hours of screentime!).
Yodhrin wrote: The same goes for the latter criticism; I get that Agents isn't what some people wanted, but I like the characters in the show plenty, I don't need to see Thor and Iron Man pop out of the walls every couple of weeks to enjoy the stories it's telling.
Don't need them popping up every episode either - that would undermine the premise (when they're not doing it themselves), but this show feels like the red-headed stepchild of the MCU, something that's there but isn't really allowed to play with the big boys.
Yodhrin wrote: Well, yes, I know he wasn't Daredevil yet, that was rather my point. Origin stories are often boring at standard blockbuster movie length, Pajama Devil clocks in at almost 13 hours, and we only get to see the actual character the show is named for in the last 15 minutes. Given the number of Long Soulful Stare Style 5 and Poignant Silence Type 2 scenes, there's no reason they couldn't have reshuffled the order of play so the "mild manners lawyer-to-gravelly voiced hero" routine was dealt with by episode 5 or 6, and shifted the Fisk origin story and the Luke Cage/Defenders worldbuilding stuff to the latter half of the season.
Pyjama-Man didn't look as silly as the red suit. When that thing I showed up I wished he'd put the black mask on again.
Eh, I ran across it. Like anything it should be taken with a grain of salt, but I think the basic point of trying to turn Film and TV into comics is problematic still stands.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm at work so cannot watch the video, but what is the reasoning behind it being "problematic"?
People having to watch every bit of TV or Movie, usually in order, to be able to keep up with and enjoy the story. Now you need to see the films and watch the network TV show as well as Netflix to get all the angles. If you miss the order it can ruin elements. The guy in the video wasn't able to get to the theater on the first weekend but within a few days of the premiere Agents of SHIELD told the important element of Captain America: TWS. This wasn't a month or even a week later, it was within days of the film.
I definitely agree about AoS. The series is basically just fodder for people who go to see the latest Marvel Films the day they come out and it's rather bland fodder too. The only part of the series I enjoyed was the Season 1 finale, when Coolsen actually started acting like his old self again instead of... whatever whiny emo woobie had replaced him for the majority of the season. The series has a nasty habit of constantly promising that cool stuff is around the corner and then utterly failing to deliver anything cool.
Daredevil's approach is better. The larger MCU is only vaguely referenced. Anyone who has seen the films will catch it, but anyone who hasn't doesn't have to worry because the references are irrelevant to DD's plot.
Ahtman wrote: People having to watch every bit of TV or Movie, usually in order, to be able to keep up with and enjoy the story.
Ah, so Cracked is wrong. Again.
You don't need to see them. There are multiple films you can skip, let alone the various TV shows they have on. Someone who hasn't seen Agents of SHIELD isn't going to miss a damned thing in Age of Ultron, as that show will never have any impact on the movies until the day Coulson shows up again in a movie.
There are certainly important touchstone movies (Iron Man 1, Thor, First Avenger, Avengers, Winter Soldier), but that's it. No one watching Age of Ultron is going to feel like they're missing a piece of the puzzle because they haven't seen Hail to the King or Agent Carter.
LordofHats wrote: I definitely agree about AoS. The series is basically just fodder for people who go to see the latest Marvel Films the day they come out and it's rather bland fodder too.
I disagree. Other than the (unavoidable) change that came with Winter Soldier, outside of Coulson and Fury AoS has done very little with its spot within the MCU. It's not fodder for those who have seen the movie the day they come out because show basically has nothing to do with the MCU. It skirts around the edges, always looking in but never getting more than its toes wet. It got splashed when the Helicarriers landed in the Potomac, but that, as I said, was unavoidable.
LordofHats wrote: The only part of the series I enjoyed was the Season 1 finale, when Coolsen actually started acting like his old self again instead of... whatever whiny emo woobie had replaced him for the majority of the season. The series has a nasty habit of constantly promising that cool stuff is around the corner and then utterly failing to deliver anything cool.
But here I agree. The entire show is setup for something that's going to be cool. I'm just waiting for that day to arrive.
I think Vanessa's story arch was the best developed I've seen in any television series. They stayed true to her character and didn't try to change her or make her contrived in any way.
Vanessa was a great character. It's weird to have a show where the show's main villain has a really interesting love story that develops over several episodes.
I'm not a comic reader, so maybe I don't know as much about it, but I had one major complaint about the season:
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I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
Other than that, I loved it. Casting is perfect, cinematography is top notch, probably the best choreographed fight scenes I've seen in ages, and all the dialogue felt good, very little felt forced or just for blatant exposition. Can't wait for the rest of the Defenders, or just S2 of this
Finished, and wow, probably the best TV series I've seen in years (Musketeers comes close, but is totally different). Pacing, directing, casting, acting, writing, design and tone were all pretty much spot on, and there is a lot left hanging for series 2.
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The final fight with Fisk was great, easily the most brutal and one of the best in the MCU so far. The red suit is suitably awesome, although I was a little sad Fisk didn't get his traditional white jacket as well.
Speaking of Fisk, I can't think of the last time I've seen a bad guy set up so well and given just as much depth as the protagonists. At times, it's like you're watching The Wilson Fisk show, and some guy in a mask keeps cameoing.
I'm guessing The Hand will show up s little more later on, possibly with Electra in tow, and maybe even crossing over in to Iron Fist at some point. Likewise, I don't believe The Owl is down and out, especially now Fisk is (temporarily) behind bars.
I was surprised Vanessa survived, I imagined her death would be the final step in creating the Kingpin we all know and make fat jokes about.
Yeah, I'm hoping Punisher shows up at some point. Not only would he fit tonally, but his ruthleness put up against Daredevil's no-killing rule would be a nice element to introduce.
Paradigm wrote: Yeah, I'm hoping Punisher shows up at some point. Not only would he fit tonally, but his ruthleness put up against Daredevil's no-killing rule would be a nice element to introduce.
Paradigm wrote: Could you elaborate? I'm not familiar enough with the comics to see what you're getting at.
Master Izo was responsible for persuading daredevil to lead the hand. This resulted in him taking over Hells Kitchen. Which led to Punisher, Ghost Rider, Wolverine, Moon Knight and other street heroes all teaming up to fight him. Read Shadowland for a more detailed version.
I finished it a few days ago, and whilst I thought it could've been an episode or two shorter and still kept most of the quality, it was very good. A few minor gripes here and there, but I'd be surprised if there weren't.
I do feel like the only one who
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misses Wesley. I loved his character, and the bond he shared with Fisk. I was genuinely a little upset when he was killed.
Wesley was certainly more developed than your average henchman/right-hand-man, and the same could be said for all the show's named baddies. The fact that there are moments when you genuinely start believing that Fisk at least has good intentions, and later becomes a victim of Gao and Owlsley is a testament to how well written both sides are.
Avatar 720 wrote: I finished it a few days ago, and whilst I thought it could've been an episode or two shorter and still kept most of the quality, it was very good. A few minor gripes here and there, but I'd be surprised if there weren't.
I do feel like the only one who
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misses Wesley. I loved his character, and the bond he shared with Fisk. I was genuinely a little upset when he was killed.
Totally.
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Actually, on reflection, his death was kind of 'wasted', if that makes sense? Not really sure what the purpose of that little sub-plot was, to be honest. Seems odd to kill off a major character purely so that Urich can die and the blonde chick survive.
Avatar 720 wrote: I finished it a few days ago, and whilst I thought it could've been an episode or two shorter and still kept most of the quality, it was very good. A few minor gripes here and there, but I'd be surprised if there weren't.
I do feel like the only one who
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misses Wesley. I loved his character, and the bond he shared with Fisk. I was genuinely a little upset when he was killed.
Totally.
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Actually, on reflection, his death was kind of 'wasted', if that makes sense? Not really sure what the purpose of that little sub-plot was, to be honest. Seems odd to kill off a major character purely so that Urich can die and the blonde chick survive.
Absolutely loved the show though. Loved it.
What if
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Urich isn't dead, but he faked his death so he could pay for his wife's treatment.
Though (I'm so so going to get flamed by this but) I wish this DD were more brooding like the Ben Affleck DD. Not that the BADD movie was good, just that they made him more brooding.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And it just got renewed for a second season, for next year. Sadly Steven DeKnight has a prior commitment so he won't be back to run the show.
Hope it stays as good without him, loved the whole season!
H.B.M.C. wrote: And it just got renewed for a second season, for next year. Sadly Steven DeKnight has a prior commitment so he won't be back to run the show.
I'm holding out hope it has something to do with this.
Take this one with a healthy pinch of salt, as Marvel’s current 60-episode Defenders order will take us through Daredevil, AKA Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron First and The Defenders before even thinking about second seasons, let alone spinoffs. That said, Daredevil boss Steven S. DeKnight offered some interesting comments to SciFiNow, echoing other sentiments that Marvel anti-hero the Punisher would fit well into the “street-level” Netflix world:
"I’ve been a huge fan of the Punisher comics for years. I’d love to see him get his due on a platform like this. Nothing would delight me more than to see the Punisher get his own show and maybe we could convince Marvel to go Hard-R rating. If any character deserves an R rating, it’s the Punisher."
Well, based on the reveal at the end of episode 7, Punisher and Daredevil will cross over. Most likely with Moon Knight, Luke Cage, and Power Man. Amongst others.
Sadly he clarified that it was a prior film commitment. Shame.
thedarkavenger wrote: Well, based on the reveal at the end of episode 7, Punisher and Daredevil will cross over. Most likely with Moon Knight, Luke Cage, and Power Man. Amongst others.
What reveal at the end of 7? And where do you pull Moon Knight from?
The only thing revealed at the end of Episode 7 was the guy Stick was talking to, and that was Stone. That's it.
What reveal at the end of 7? And where do you pull Moon Knight from?
The only thing revealed at the end of Episode 7 was the guy Stick was talking to, and that was Stone. That's it.
Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
What reveal at the end of 7? And where do you pull Moon Knight from?
The only thing revealed at the end of Episode 7 was the guy Stick was talking to, and that was Stone. That's it.
Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
Wolverine won't be. That's one mutant IP Fox will cling to like a liferaft.
Common assumption is they're hinting at K'un Lun (Steel Serpent hinted at with the heroin tag, Gao is assumed to be Crane Mother, the 'doors opening' tease from Stone and the Hand wanting a very specific block from Hells Kitchen), and the Defenders fighting in the tournament.
thedarkavenger wrote: Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
And 2 + 2 = Pineapple.
The show is not the comics. Just because they have Stone doesn't mean they have the Chaste or any of that. They might, they probably will do some of that, but it does not mean they will or have to.
thedarkavenger wrote: Stone works for the Chaste. If the Chaste is present, that means Izo is present. If Izo is present then that means they're hinting at Shadowland. If they do Shadowland. Then Punisher, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Electra, Spidey, Black Tarantula, Shang Xi, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and more, are going to be present.
And 2 + 2 = Pineapple.
The show is not the comics. Just because they have Stone doesn't mean they have the Chaste or any of that. They might, they probably will do some of that, but it does not mean they will or have to.
That whole line about daredevil being ready is the entire precursor to Shadowland.
Requizen wrote: I'm not a comic reader, so maybe I don't know as much about it, but I had one major complaint about the season:
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I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
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That was the point. He's not the Kingpin until the end of the series, when he gives his monologue about the story from the bible. Just as it's an origin story of how Matt transitioned from the Devil if Hells Kitchen into the Daredevil, it's also Fisks transition from a crime lord into the Kingpin.
Requizen wrote: I'm not a comic reader, so maybe I don't know as much about it, but I had one major complaint about the season:
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I just couldn't buy Fisk's character. Don't get me wrong, Vincent D'Onofrio kills the role, acting is perfect there. But, we get the impression that he's this ruthless, cold, calculating dude, but the only exposure we have to him in the show is when he starts with Vanessa. And after that point, he's an emotional manchild. "You interrupted my date, I'm going to kill you!" "You talked to my mommy, I'm going to kill you!" "My girlfriend is in the hospital, I'm going to ignore everyone and everything!" "My friend is dead, I'm going to kill everyone!"
It's not bad, per se, but I have trouble believing this is the guy who managed to take control of an entire city and ran an extensive criminal organization when he can't handle a single dinner date going poorly. I kept expecting Wesley or Owlsley to reveal themselves as the true brains behind the operation, because every time I saw Fisk, I didn't see someone who was capable of it.
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That was the point. He's not the Kingpin until the end of the series, when he gives his monologue about the story from the bible. Just as it's an origin story of how Matt transitioned from the Devil if Hells Kitchen into the Daredevil, it's also Fisks transition from a crime lord into the Kingpin.
Late to this thread, but only just finished the season.
Thought it was decidedly meh for the first half, but one character held my attention. I loved Vincent D'Onofrio's interpretation of Wilson Fisk - the social awkwardness hiding his seething rage. It was inspired and justifies some kind of award IMHO.
Glad I stuck with it in the end, as it came into it's own for the last few episodes and now I'm hooked.
DAMN. The series is so good! One of the best series we've seen for a long time, bar Game of Thrones.
We are about halfway in and just recently watched "Sticks". Not a superb episode, we thought that it was a bit over the top and the taser scene was really stupid.
We LOVE the actor who plays Fisk's right hand, however. Amazing actor.
Finally got round to finishing the series and I was very impressed. Fisk was undoubtedly the best thing about it with his excellent acting and great insight into his character. His freak-out scene with the car door remains my favourite moment, fantastic!
I will be very interested to see where the next season takes us. Having not read any of the relevant comics most of the allusions are lost to me so hopefully it will not introduce too many new characters at once. The current DD team of three seems plenty to me. My only wish is that they don't wait too long to have Karen discover Matt's identity and make too much of a big deal out of it. Arrow does this all the time and it is getting a little tiring tbh.
One think I was expecting them to elaborate on was:
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The implications of Karen's murder of Wesley. It seemed to have been forgotten in the last few episodes for no real reason. Personally I would have used this as a way for her to confide in Matt and he her, thus ending the series with them as a truly unified team. Also why kill Wesley?! He was awesome
I just got hold of it, I'm a DD fan, and I have to say, I'm not hating it, although I'm only one episode in so far.
Mind you, I actually quite liked the DD film too, so my judgement may be questionable on this.... The casting for Foggy is perfect in my opinion, I'm looking forward to finding the time to catch more of it.
marv335 wrote: I just got hold of it, I'm a DD fan, and I have to say, I'm not hating it, although I'm only one episode in so far.
Mind you, I actually quite liked the DD film too, so my judgement may be questionable on this.... The casting for Foggy is perfect in my opinion, I'm looking forward to finding the time to catch more of it.
Your going to be like the rest of us towards the end of the season
marv335 wrote: I just got hold of it, I'm a DD fan, and I have to say, I'm not hating it, although I'm only one episode in so far.
Mind you, I actually quite liked the DD film too, so my judgement may be questionable on this.... The casting for Foggy is perfect in my opinion, I'm looking forward to finding the time to catch more of it.
Your going to be like the rest of us towards the end of the season
NO!! NO!!! NNNOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There were a couple of pretty unexpected moments that comic fans are going to be polarised on.
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Both Ben and Wesley are pretty prominent characters. Both were pretty great interpretations of their characters, and both are pretty important to the other characters. Killing them made sense from a plot progression standpoint, and were needed to push the main characters along their paths, but wow were they unexpected.
Finished the season. Definitely ranks #3 after Game of Thrones and Californication on our favorite series list. Veryy well-written series, very good characters, the ending was both satisfying but also had enough open ties to interest you in what's coming next.
Definitely loved Wesley's actor. Extremely good actor.
Sigvatr wrote: DAMN. The series is so good! One of the best series we've seen for a long time, bar Game of Thrones.
We are about halfway in and just recently watched "Sticks". Not a superb episode, we thought that it was a bit over the top and the taser scene was really stupid.
We LOVE the actor who plays Fisk's right hand, however. Amazing actor.
That whole episode sets up more stuff than it lets on initially.
Just finished the last episode.
As a long time DD fan, I'd say I'm satisfied.
I liked the throwaway reference to Electra, I'd like to see her in season 2, with more from the Hand, and more Stick, who is awesome.
Costume is good, actually looks functional, something you could fight in.
I'm looking forward to S2.
I just hope they remain kinda realistic-ish. Some moments were really borderline...I mean, yes he's a super-human and lots of training, but some fighting stuff was...debatable.
Finished the 13th episode last night- brilliant stuff! Honestly didn't expect the guy from Starlight to be that good as Murdock/Daredevil but he really pulled it off IMO.
Not too much of the "Monster of the week" in there but enough of them to keep it interesting. Kingpin seems a little crazier than he his in the comics/90's animated Spider-Man.
Commander Cain wrote: Finally got round to finishing the series and I was very impressed. Fisk was undoubtedly the best thing about it with his excellent acting and great insight into his character. His freak-out scene with the car door remains my favourite moment, fantastic!
I just finished episode 4 and came to post this exact thing. Loving this series.
Although the actor portraying Daredevil also portrayed one of my favorite saints in "There be Dragons", so its weird seeing him kick ass and take names when I remember him most as Josemaría Escrivá.
Plot hook, the guilt Karen is hiding over killing wesley wil eat ta her until she breaks, Matt knows she did something, but seems to be waiting for her to fess up on her own timetable, (The man likely can smell the the powder burns and hear how her heart rate changes when she is feeling wrong about the killing.
shasolenzabi wrote: Plot hook, the guilt Karen is hiding over killing wesley wil eat ta her until she breaks, Matt knows she did something, but seems to be waiting for her to fess up on her own timetable, (The man likely can smell the the powder burns and hear how her heart rate changes when she is feeling wrong about the killing.
Spoilers, man! Some of these folks haven't gotten that far.
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Undoubtedly. He has to know she was involved in some gunplay, which resulted in blood shed and a lot of booze.
Eh, the show's been out for several weeks now, and it says spoilers right in the thread title, so if you're worried about that you probably shouldn't read the thread discussing the show.
AduroT wrote: Eh, the show's been out for several weeks now, and it says spoilers right in the thread title, so if you're worried about that you probably shouldn't read the thread discussing the show.
You will note that, despite the warning of spoilers in the title, nearly everyone has used spoiler tags regardless. It's a matter of etiquette and being the polite thing to do, plus, it only takes a handful of seconds to do.
Although hopefully he won't take as long as Murdock to properly suit up, and I'm his case tool up. We need The Punisher, and we need him dropping bodies left, right and centre!
d-usa wrote: Just finished the season and loved it. Lots of great casting.
Foggy still looks like he just stepped of the set of Mighty Ducks though, he didn't change at all.
I thought i was the only one
But yeah I loved Daredevil. Was really surprised by it!
I love all the hidden easter eggs in the show.
I like the subtle jabs at other heroes
Amazing series. Definitely my second-favorite series after House of Cards. Finally a superhero movie that's more realistic than your average boredom-inducing "PEW PEW SUPERHEROEZ". Darker, grittier. Extremely good series. Netflix just rocks at series. Daredevil, House of Cards - top of the top tier series.
On Thursday night, Daredevil star Charlie Cox was honored at the 19th Annual Helen Keller Achievement Awards held by the American Foundation for the Blind. Cox received an award for his portrayal of blind attorney Matt Murdock who is also the costumed vigilante Daredevil.
During his acceptance speech, Cox had this to say:
Since the show has been released, I’ve had a great number of emails and letters from people in the blind community experiencing degrees of vision loss. I had one particular stranger in London who was understandably stressed by her decreased vision. The woman, he said, was more concerned with losing her independence than losing her vision. I remember thinking that that is actually far away from the truth. Based on the experience that I’ve had on the show and being so amazed by the amount of tools and the support and education … that is not the case.
Marvel’s Daredevil has proven a hit for Netflix as the first of a multi-character deal with Marvel that includes series for Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and the Defenders. A second season of Daredevil is already underway and will introduce the character of Frank Castle / The Punisher as played by Jon Bernthal.
Although hopefully he won't take as long as Murdock to properly suit up, and I'm his case tool up. We need The Punisher, and we need him dropping bodies left, right and centre!
Depending on when season 2 is set, he might be suited up already. The Russos hinted at him being in Winter Soldier (driving the yellow truck that saved Fury during the chase).
My guess is he's going to show up during the show and kill someone Matt is after, causing a rivalry through the season.
Marvel has announced that Elodie Yung (G.I. Joe Retaliation, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo) will play Elektra in Daredevil: Season 2.
Elodie Yung (looking very Elektra-esque) in G.I. Joe: Retaliation
This version of Elektra Natchios is described as "a mysterious woman from Matt Murdock's past whose dangerous and exotic ways may be more than he can handle." The first season of Daredevil made reference to Elektra in a college flashback scene, but now Yung will portray one of Daredevil's most popular characters.
Frank Miller created Elektra in 1981, debuting her in Daredevil #168. In addition to being one of Daredevil's romantic interests, she was also for a time associated with the supervillain organization known as The Hand (which has also been alluded to on the TV show).
Yung joins Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle/The Punisher in the upcoming season, which arrives on Netflix in 2016.
Marvel released the following teaser image for Season 2, reflecting the latest character addition.
I thought about watching it but I feel like waiting til both parts of it are available. Loved Season 1, but not a fan of this whole splitting of the trailers for Season 2. Bah I say, Bah.
Ahtman wrote: I thought about watching it but I feel like waiting til both parts of it are available. Loved Season 1, but not a fan of this whole splitting of the trailers for Season 2. Bah I say, Bah.
I imagine it'll basically be two different trailers, and going by bits of this one, trailer 1 previews the Punisher story arc, trailer 2 will preview the Elektra arc. It's not like you're missing out by watching this one on its own, any more than you would be for watching two Civil War/Dawn of Justice/Star Wars trailers one at a time.
Ahtman wrote: I thought about watching it but I feel like waiting til both parts of it are available.
You're call, but it's not really necessary. Season one is a complete, self contained story arc. But if you've waited this long I suppose a few more months won't be too burdensome.
Breotan wrote: Season one is a complete, self contained story arc.
And is already out and been watched. This isn't a trailer for season 1, but a trailer for season 2 that bills itself as part 1 of a 2 part trailer. If it isn't really split in half then I will watch it, but calling it "Part 1" when really it is a stand alone trailer and not half of a whole seems silly.
Breotan wrote: Season one is a complete, self contained story arc.
And is already out and been watched. This isn't a trailer for season 1, but a trailer for season 2 that bills itself as part 1 of a 2 part trailer. If it isn't really split in half then I will watch it, but calling it "Part 1" when really it is a stand alone trailer and not half of a whole seems silly.
Yeah, I think Elektra's going to be great, as is Punisher. Elektra in particular though will benefit a lot from the more grounded approach; no stupid costume, just two daggers, a face mask, and a whole lot of ass kicking.
H.B.M.C. wrote: When Stick referenced The Hand by name I actually cheered.
How good does Elektra look in this? She is going to kick so much ass.
This Daredevil/Elektra is much better than the Affleck/Garner effort(though that admittedly was let down by poor script. Look forward to seeing the fights with this pair.
Get the director's cut of Affleck's Daredevil. It's a much better movie than the theatrical release. Still has Garner in it so it is still hobbled by her crappy acting but there is so much they cut out that you should see.
You'll remember from the movie as Matt gets ready to go into his sensory deportation tank, he "sees" ghosts images of a woman being murdered. That woman's murder actually features prominently in a story arc that was cut almost entirely from the theatrical release.
Breotan wrote: Get the director's cut of Affleck's Daredevil. It's a much better movie than the theatrical release. Still has Garner in it so it is still hobbled by her crappy acting but there is so much they cut out that you should see.
*sniff sniff* Smells like 20th Century Fox interfered and in turn, buggered up the theatrical release then? lol. Sounds about right. Just googled it- holy gak! Did they chop 30mins out of it? No wonder there wasn't much character development!
Series 2 is out and on fine form thus far! Watched the first two episodes, everything great about the first series (excellent cast dynamics, directing, choreography and production values) are still there in spades, but it's still very different.
Ep1 and 2 spoilers
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Seems to be a lot more Daredevil in this so far, the Matt stuff is still there but he's spending a fair bit more time 'suited up' so far, which is awesome.
Punisher has been introduced and set up very well indeed. No laboured setup or origin story (though I hope and expect that will come a little later), he's just straight in and doing his thing. So far, two fights between him and DD, both have been absolutely brutal affairs, excellently staged and choreographed.
The supporting cast are still great too, Foggy and Karen are still evolving and remaining relevant and interesting, each still very much dealing with what went on last year.
In short, more of the same, epic stuff as the first series, can't wait to crack on with the rest!
Binged it. Absolutley amazing, Jon Bernthal as The Punisher and Elodie Young as Elektra were spot on.
Plenty of threads left hanging as well, wouldn't surprise me if this ties into the Iron Fist series as well, or forms the basis of The Defenders team up. Loved the way they were able to mention certian events from Jessica Jones as well, the Netflix series are already starting to intergrate with each other quite nicely, whilst still being stand alone series.
Definitely a stronger beginning than end, where it tended to get a little scattered and some characters (mostly Foggy) just kinda fell off the face of the Earth, but a damned fine season it was - better than the first by a million miles.
Bernthal's Punisher was excellent from start to finish.
Yeah the wife and I are 4 in so far and loving it. This Punisher is frigging awesome! Just left off with Elecktra showing up so I can't wait to watch more
I've long considered Thomas Jane to be the better of the actors they got to play Punisher, and was bitterly dissapointed when he said he was done with the character.
But man, Bernthal nailed it. I'm up to episode 9, and he's just killing it. Elodie Yung is fantastic as Elektra.
Also, glad they had another long 'one take' fight (which shot over 3 days ). Topped the hallway fight too.
Yeah, the hallway fight scene in season 1 was an excellent homage to the classic Oldboy hallway fight scene, but that stairwell scene just turned it up to 11 without looking ridiculous.
Bernthal is awesome as Punisher, but I kinda wish they managed to take out the southern drawl a bit. It's still there. And it's something I don't connect to a New Yorker at all.
timetowaste85 wrote: Bernthal is awesome as Punisher, but I kinda wish they managed to take out the southern drawl a bit. It's still there. And it's something I don't connect to a New Yorker at all.
You must be hearing something I didn't.
I just finished the last episode and this season was fantastic to say the least. Jon Bernthal as the Punisher is probably Marvel's best casting choice to date.
timetowaste85 wrote: Bernthal is awesome as Punisher, but I kinda wish they managed to take out the southern drawl a bit. It's still there. And it's something I don't connect to a New Yorker at all.
You must be hearing something I didn't.
I definitely heard it. My first thought was that Bernthal was trying too hard to sound like Andrew Lincoln in TWD. But either way Bernthal did a great job with the character,
The only cheesy part I groaned at was the pawn shop pedophile guy. So a huge scary dude asks for a police scanner and a gun and your first idea is to then offer him child porn? It's NYC, not Cambodia. The apartment / hallway fight was awesome as feth though.
It did get too scattered towards the end, and left us with too many questions (what was the giant pit for? Who was the 'band' Stick was getting to gether? What the hell is a 'Black Sky'?), but it was a marked improvement over the already great Season 1 and Punisher/Elektra were so strong they made up for any weaknesses.
I loved season 2--Bernthal absolutely made it for me--but if I had one criticism, it's this:
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The what I can only assume is a concussion that Matt suffered by Punisher shot him in the head. It lasted a single episode, and was around purely the set-up the next one, then never came up again. I'm fairly sure a concussion isn't exactly something you just walk off, and I'm also rather sure that Daredevil doesn't have any form of healing factor that would explain his miraculous recovery as soon as the concussion had served its plot purpose.
It was just too obvious of a "fire & forget" plot advancer for me, and one that doesn't make the greatest amount of sense just being forgotten about. Cuts, fractures, and breaks? They heal on their own, and when he's suffered them in the past he's shown many times that they impede him for some time after. But an undiagnosed and untreated concussion magically disappears? It just threw me out of the world a little.
Avatar 720 wrote: I loved season 2--Bernthal absolutely made it for me--but if I had one criticism, it's this:
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The what I can only assume is a concussion that Matt suffered by Punisher shot him in the head. It lasted a single episode, and was around purely the set-up the next one, then never came up again.
How much time passed between those three episodes? Keeping track of long passages of time is something they did poorly in the first season, too.
Finished watching season 2 just now. This was all kinds of awesome! I thought John Bernthal's portrayal of The Punisher was very nicely done. Beats Tom Jane hands down.
Avatar 720 wrote: I loved season 2--Bernthal absolutely made it for me--but if I had one criticism, it's this:
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The what I can only assume is a concussion that Matt suffered by Punisher shot him in the head. It lasted a single episode, and was around purely the set-up the next one, then never came up again.
How much time passed between those three episodes? Keeping track of long passages of time is something they did poorly in the first season, too.
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It was really only one episode. He got shot by the Punisher at the end of Episode 1, suffered from the concussion during episode 2, culminating in him suffering his loss of sensory perception after he'd fallen through the glass roof with Punisher and begging him to help, then it wasn't mentioned again. Episode 3 passed without ill-effects from it IIRC, and 4-13 likewise. I'm not sure how much time passed during Episode 2, but seeing as how Episode 3 was on the same night as Matt suffered his last side-effect of concussion yet went without incident... I could've understood if some time had passed, but hadn't, the concussion was just there one second in order to explain how Daredevil ends up chained to a roof, and then might as well never have existed.
Only 3 episodes in and loving it. Bernthal is amazing as Punisher. It's like the part was made for him. Honestly I would hope to see him on the big screen as punisher at some point.
I'm halfway through.. really liking Shane as the punisher, but not liking the elektra bits so much. She's annoying.. don't know if she's like that in the comic but the whole "Let's be ninjas cuz I'm rich and it's fun" thing is kinda dumb. I'd rather focus on the punisher and explosions
I'm only one episode in to the Elektra stuff (I know, I'm slacking! ) but I actually really like her thus far; yes, she's more than a little crazy, but so far, as interesting a character as Matt or Punisher.
Hulksmash wrote: Only 3 episodes in and loving it. Bernthal is amazing as Punisher. It's like the part was made for him. Honestly I would hope to see him on the big screen as punisher at some point.
Just finished it recently and wowza, what a ride! The Punisher really does seem like the highlight of the season, with his acting being spot on in every scene. I still hold a grudge against Karen for killing Wesley and I was kinda hoping she'd bite the bullet at some point rather than Elektra but all in due time I suppose, her snooping will get her killed eventually.
Just finished the series, and wow, what an awesome series it was! I could go on for hours about how every element was just perfect, but I think it's easier just to say that it took everything great about the first series, added in a pair of fantastically written and acted characters that brought a completely new dynamic to the show, and wrapped it all up with such a perfect finale that, like the first series, had a definite sense of conclusion while also setting up plenty going forward!
And sign me up for the rumoured Punisher series, I had little faith in the character as solo material before this, but Bernthal just nailed it throughout and I'd absolutely love to see him front and centre in his own series!
Breotan wrote: Poor Bullseye. Retconned right out of Electra's story.
The fun thing about comic book characters is that you can kill them a lot and bring them back
Besides, I quite like that they're mixing it up a bit with the character development. I think it can work out for the better, rather than just copy-pasting from the comics.
This easily is the best series right now. Excellent actors, very tight and suspenseful writing, great editing, outstanding writing...just amazing. No words.
Finished it the other night, great season. Elektra grew on me, I found her real annoying at first. I think the Punisher kinda stole the show though, he was the best part of the whole season for me. Count me in for a Punisher show too.
Just finished it. It was pretty good, though not as good as Season 1. There was a lot more cheesiness in this season like Armies of Ninjas, Undead Ninjas, A Ninja with ambiguous apocalyptic powers that aren't even explained (The Black Sky). I get that all that stuff really is what Daredevil is about but still took the cheese factor up a bit. Would definitely like to see a Punisher series staring Berenthal where he can cut loose and not have all these do-gooders interfering. And of course Kingpin made a comeback which I was excited to see!
Yeah, I'm probably halfway through, and I thought the first season was better. This season has lots of "I'm better because I kill people," "No I'm better because I don't kill people" vigilante agonizing going on. Hopefully that will subside as the season continues because its burning me out. Nothing against the actors, who I think did a great job, just mediocre scripting IMO.
I thought the first season was pretty good, but the second season was amazing. Hoping these talks about a Punisher series being added to the lineup really come true. He nailed it.
I loved it. I think they have managed to get every character right on the nail.
Kingpin has just the right amount of menace, Electra feels right, and looks the part too, Punisher is also a great casting choice.
Looking forward to season 3 to see who they bring in.
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When DD got his proper billy club I was very happy
Man, the last 1,5 episodes were a letdown. Too much Hand. I liked it at first, when they found the hole and the 'Farm', but especially the last episode? Too much ninjas, too much cheese.
Yeah, ninjas outside the door? Let's talk cheesy plans for your life together after this night.
Oh look, Punisher is killing people and suddenly DD is okay with it? Even kills one himself? What the hell?
I could live with the cheesy ending of Season 1, where they couldn't let it end with either Kingpins imprisonment nor his espace, but HAD to put in a fight between DD and Kingpin. But the last episode of Season 2 was really a letdown imo.
Still a good show and a good season. Punisher was great and Matt's meeting with the Kingpin was damn scary.
Binge watched both seasons over the weekend and loved it. I've always been a huge Punisher fan and I really enjoyed what they did with him in season 2. I hope that they can continue with the same strength for future seasons.
He was never "ok" with the Punisher doing it but he realized that his way isn't the only way and imposing on everyone might not be the best idea. The only person I recall him killing was Nobu, who never dies. It is like shooting Connor McCloud knowing who he is. I agree that his understanding of Punisher/Elektra isn't all that well explained and that it happens quite quickly.
. I honestly much prefer Agents of SHIELD to Arrow (and Flash to either).
