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Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 17:49:57


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I backed Ogre DE as my first KS. Since then, I've backed several more. So far, I think I've done well enough, not yet having anything fail outright, although some of the final delivery / total completion windows are a lot longer than I would have imagined... I'm thinking maybe it's time to step away?

Backed

Fully-delivered
- Sedition Wars - sweet spot; unplayable, wish I could sell...
- Reaper Bones 1 - small split; partial sell
- Relic Knights - sweet spot; 1 year late; kept some minis, sold almost all
- Dreamforge Games Leviathan Crusader - a little late, awesome kit!
- Zombicide 2 - sweet spot; on time, sold all
- Reaper Bones 2 - only $10
- Zombicide 3 - sweet spot; on time, sold extras
- Super Dungeon Explore : the Forgotten King - near-complete preorder; months late, good quality
- Blood Rage - sweet spot; on time, sold all
- Kingdom Death : Monster - Herald-level pledge; late by 20+ mos, but truly incredible quality and value
- Conan - basic pledge, 1 year late

These were pretty much all "sweet spot" pledges, except Bones being tiny, Relic Knights going big, and Kingdom Death going huge. Sedition Wars was a turd of a game, that I was stupid enough to buy the terrain pack and updated rules, just flushing money down the toilet there. Relic Knights turned out to not be the right game for us, and we managed to sell off the pieces for beer profits - a very positive result. I sold off the Zombicide 2 exclusives when Z3 was announced, so my Z games are "free". Dreamforge produced an outstanding model, and I'm totally satisfied with it. Kingdom Death delivered very late but the quality and overproduction totally makes up for it, and then some! Selling off the excess cleared a lot of space and recovered a big chunk of spend.

Partially-delivered
- Ogre DE - base pledge 1 year late; SGs 3+ years late
- Robotech Tactics - partial split; 1 year late for wave 1, but decent little models; wave 2 in 2017? soon! j/k
- Journey : Wrath of Demons - months late for wave 1; wave 2 2017?

3+ years late, but Ogre DE seems to be finally working on the SGs. . Robotech is still a gakshow. Fethers. Journey Wave 2+ is crazy slow.

Not delivered
- SDE : Legends - due Q2 2017
Pesky rules & balance issues by a company that spreads itself far too thin push this to 2017.


Not (yet?) Backed

Not backed
- Heavy Gear Blitz - product is not looking impressive.
- Ninja All-Stars - looks OK, but wasn't feeling it
- Zombicide : Black Plage - looks OK, but wasn't feeling it
- the Others : 7 Sins - monsters OK; heroes meh
- Dark Souls - very expensive, not at all compelling compared to buying more KD:M
- Massive Darkness - base pledge wasn't compelling, and KD 2 is coming

Mostly, this is me moving away from 100 minis for $100, and being a lot choosier with the money I spend.

Interesting
- Mythic Battles: Pantheon - very tempting!
- Ogre Miniatures 1 - on the fence
- Kingdom Death #2 - mystery KS launching Black Friday 2016...

But I can still be tempted!

Final Lessons
- Wargames Factory produces truly excellent, boutique HIPS kits - I love their stuff
- CMoN is doing a fantastic job of running and delivering Kickstarters, I would not hesitate to back them from a business reliability standpoint.
- Kingdom Death is amazing stuff, and I'm glad to have been a part of it.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 18:25:50


Post by: Dark Severance


Always interesting to read about other people's experiences and the choices they made. I'm not sure I'd like to go through my list, although I will say that I missed out on anything of the ones that did not and will not be delivering. I have been lucky there. I have several that are behind and late although none of my miniatures games are as bad as some of the software ones I backed. I ended up doing Shadowrun: Hong Kong but I probably won't be backing anymore software Kickstarters for awhile. They tend to be more riskier and take longer delays than miniatures KS on average. At least with miniatures/board games KS I have more room to resale or trade for something else if I decide I don't really like it.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 18:35:52


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I am somewhat risk adverse, which is why I tend to look at splits and "sweet spot" pledges. The splits spread risk with a partner, and sweet spots can generally recoup money if it's not popular in our playgroup.

I spent over a decade doing software stuff as a consultant. I have never, will never, back a software Kickstarter. There's enough problems with a professional studio that no way I'm fronting money to amateurs!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 18:36:47


Post by: tenebre


i lost interst in KS becasue of all the ones i backed that i still dont have :(


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 18:39:12


Post by: Trondheim


Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 18:40:03


Post by: cincydooley


So.... I bet Blood Rage is in our hands before Kingdom Death.


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 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Typically fantastic ROI if you choose to sell.

Typically fantastic value for your dollar if you choose to keep.

Pretty simple gak.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 19:47:58


Post by: Vermis


 cincydooley wrote:

Typically fantastic ROI if you choose to sell.

Typically fantastic value for your dollar if you choose to keep.

Pretty simple gak.


Don't think that quite answered his question. Especially the 'throwing money' bit. It's like pecuniary incontinence, and - while I don't usually complain about this kind of thing - slightly off-putting consumerism. Igor's more entertaining when he's just a fictional character in Dork Tower.

I've contributed to about, oh... two kickstarters. One of them had something to do with wargaming. I think.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 19:51:37


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 tenebre wrote:
i lost interst in KS becasue of all the ones i backed that i still dont have :(


That sucks.

What did you back that hasn't delivered at all?


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 Vermis wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:

Typically fantastic ROI if you choose to sell.

Typically fantastic value for your dollar if you choose to keep.


Don't think that quite answered his question. Especially the 'throwing money' bit. It's like pecuniary incontinence, and - while I don't usually complain about this kind of thing - slightly off-putting consumerism.


If you put yourself on a budget, like I do, "bang for the buck" is a pretty important metric. Same with being able to cash out or trade if the game doesn't work in your group.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:06:04


Post by: BrookM


Still waiting on Kingdom Death myself, I got turned off from Kickstarter in a big way due to how Blackwater Gulch was handled when another company stepped in and the delightful riot of laughs that the Toughest Girls of the Galaxy campaign is.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:13:59


Post by: Undead_Love-Machine


I just checked what I have backed so far:

Sedition Wars - A disappointment
Reaper Bones 1 - Good value, but sold everything ( turns out I prefer quality over quantity)
Kingdom Death - Looking good, hopefully it arrives this year
Imbrian Arts - The kickstarter equivalent of having a large, spiked object inserted into my anus
Darklands First Edition 2 - Partially received, good so far but running late
Creature Caster - Delayed, buyer's remorse
Infamy - Excited to eventually receive my stuff!
Darklands: Monstrous Mounts - Existing models purchased
RBG Brigands & Aenglish - Exemplary
Twisting Catacombs - Delivery soon I hope!
Minion Miniatures - As above
Fallen Frontiers - Impressive progress so far
Blood Rage - I expect this to deliver on time

The only really bad experience I have had so far is the Imbrian Arts Kickstarter. I am resigned to never receiving what I paid for, I curse the name of Jody Siegel.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:14:42


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


What happened to Blackwater Gulch?


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:18:20


Post by: BrookM


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
What happened to Blackwater Gulch?
Halfway through the fulfilment stage a company took over from the chap who ran the KS, which turned a rather communicative post-campaign period into one of pointlessly long waits and other bs. It took them quite a few months to get our pledges, that they had been sitting on for some time now, all boxed up, packed up and shipped to us.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:18:21


Post by: Trondheim


 cincydooley wrote:
So.... I bet Blood Rage is in our hands before Kingdom Death.


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 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Typically fantastic ROI if you choose to sell.

Typically fantastic value for your dollar if you choose to keep.

Pretty simple gak.


And translated into some form of English that others may understand?


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:20:41


Post by: BrookM


 Trondheim wrote:
 cincydooley wrote:
So.... I bet Blood Rage is in our hands before Kingdom Death.


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 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Typically fantastic ROI if you choose to sell.

Typically fantastic value for your dollar if you choose to keep.

Pretty simple gak.


And translated into some form of English that others may understand?
He's saying that the KS exclusives will net you a good bonus on eBay or the other places people go to sell their gak.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:22:19


Post by: Trondheim


Ah I see, well seeling whatever thing you recived for backing a project seems bit odd. As one would perhaps like to keep said thing? But I supoose ones milliage may vary on the matter


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:26:19


Post by: BrookM


I think it's odd as well, but yeah, YMMV. I wouldn't consider a KS a great investment if all you're in for is reselling it.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:36:56


Post by: Dark Severance


 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.
You aren't really throwing money, it is more a risk vs investment opportunity. For example CMoN is established so it is fairly common that you will get a return on your investment vs a new KS from someone unknown. There are some things that throw up red flags but overall most the community working together are able to sort through them. Then you determine if you want to invest for a later return.

I could definitely get a higher return but I'm not out to make a lot of money. I just want to make enough to continue turning around and supporting other games. I like having options and there have been times where I didn't want something, sold it, but then later on my group was interested. There are also times that you can sell all the Exclusives which cover your initial pledge and still come out ahead because you have the regular game and/or miniatures, minus exclusives.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:41:33


Post by: Forar


 Dark Severance wrote:
I ended up doing Shadowrun: Hong Kong but I probably won't be backing anymore software Kickstarters for awhile. They tend to be more riskier and take longer delays than miniatures KS on average. At least with miniatures/board games KS I have more room to resale or trade for something else if I decide I don't really like it.


On the other hand, software KS's often have a much lower 'sweet spot' if all you want is the game. $10-20 generally isn't too bad for getting a digital download, and as long as you avoid physical items that's about all you pay. Granted, if it's coming out on Steam or another distribution service, you probably aren't saving much either, but I don't mind pitching in a little once in a while for things like Shadowrun.

With Miniatures you theoretically might be getting a good ROI/Value, but at a much higher sweet spot, usually around $100-150 or so, and if you're international that can tack on another $20-50+ in shipping and possibly even more once it hits the border. My group paid $100 US in shipping for our stuff and got hit for another $35 for wave 1.

Yes, KS's of all sorts are often late, but that can be offset with quality communication as to *why* it's happening and what is being done to rectify that. Contrasting the first Shadowrun campaign (~8 months late, I believe?) where I felt like there was tangible progress made, with the Robotech Campaign I often mock, which delivered wave 1 a year late (for North America. Australia, Europe and ROW are more like 1.5 years late for wave one) and wave 2 is a big question mark that they have spent months teasing a teaser for, as it were. The current target is half a year from now and from what little we've seen I doubt it'll show before 2016 unless they actually finally start providing evidence of progress.

At this point I'm kind of tapped out as well, and it'll take something pretty damned amazing to get a 'big' contribution out of me (more than, say, $50 or so).

Except Dwarven Forge. Those guys deliver a great product in a timely fashion. Unstoppable KS badasses right there.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 20:54:54


Post by: Dark Severance


 Forar wrote:
On the other hand, software KS's often have a much lower 'sweet spot' if all you want is the game. $10-20 generally isn't too bad for getting a digital download, and as long as you avoid physical items that's about all you pay. Granted, if it's coming out on Steam or another distribution service, you probably aren't saving much either, but I don't mind pitching in a little once in a while for things like Shadowrun.
I really like the Shadowrun games, the only thing I think they missed out on was allowing cooperative play. My wife likes the games but she prefers we were able to actually play together. Shadowrun Chronicles is now doing that but I would have preferred to continue using my Shadowrun Returns or had some continuity with them, not to mention I prefer the SR system more. SC is getting better and has come a pretty good ways.

Yes definitely most games have a lower entry point. A couple software games I put in quite a bit more because I wanted to see the games develop. The progress is slower than expected but they are still coming along. Unfortunately because of the delays I've lost interest currently so haven't been following as closely, that may change. The other issue with games is you usually can't sell them or offload them to break even, unlike board games and miniatures. I have done a few gadgets and tech projects as well, so far they have been fine.

There is definitely a higher dollar amount to reach the sweet spot with board games and miniatures.

I looked over my spreadsheet, I'm at about 150 projects backed between my two accounts, although technically one is my wife's but to be fair all the purchases and pledges have been made by me. I have stuff coming in about once a month and probably will well into 2016. My wife says I only do this because it feels like Christmas every other week to come home to find packages and you go "Wonder which project this is".


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 21:02:51


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 BrookM wrote:
I wouldn't consider a KS a great investment if all you're in for is reselling it.


I think one can potentially double their money on the "sweet spot" pledge of a high value KS. That is, put $100 + S&H into a KS, gross $250+, net $100-ish after fees. Something like that, depending on fees and such. If you look at it over a 1-year term, it's a pretty good rate of return that justifies the financial risk. If you're looking to sell extras and exclusives for beer money, it's not bad at all - I think one could self-sustain a <$1k/yr hobby this way.

The thing is, it doesn't scale as a proper business. You wouldn't drop $25k because there just aren't enough high quality KS to back, and concentrating the money would kill the exclusivity of the "exclusives", reducing the net return. You can put a single copy on eBay and sell it at a decent profit, but you can't put 50 identical copies up without competing against yourself. I don't think you could cover rent and food this way - you need to eat and pay rent every month, but those variable delivery delays would break you. And if they don't deliver a la Imbrian Arts, you're totally screwed.


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 Dark Severance wrote:
I looked over my spreadsheet, I'm at about 150 projects backed between my two accounts, although technically one is my wife's but to be fair all the purchases and pledges have been made by me. I have stuff coming in about once a month and probably will well into 2016. My wife says I only do this because it feels like Christmas every other week to come home to find packages and you go "Wonder which project this is".


A hundred and fifty projects? I've backed barely a dozen, and already feeling like maybe I'm getting in over my head. Where are you keeping 150 projects worth of stuff? Full basement?

The Christmas thing is real. I got excited when SDE:FK and Z3 arrived. It's kinda magical.

I cannot wait to see how giant my KD:M package is going to be when that finally arrives on my doorstep!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 22:04:21


Post by: Dark Severance


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
A hundred and fifty projects? I've backed barely a dozen, and already feeling like maybe I'm getting in over my head. Where are you keeping 150 projects worth of stuff? Full basement?

The Christmas thing is real. I got excited when SDE:FK and Z3 arrived. It's kinda magical.

I cannot wait to see how giant my KD:M package is going to be when that finally arrives on my doorstep!
About 16 of the KS would fit into clothing, electronic games and gadgets so they don't take up a lot of room.

I have two large Billy bookcases from IKEA that houses my board games, TCG, and card games. I could probably put half the KS board games on half of one of the bookcases for things like Arcadia Quest, SDE, Krosmaster, Khaosball, etc. The rest of the board games are from working conventions and demo work that I've obtained over the years. They get loaned out depending on who needs them. That reminds me that I need to create a better checkout system for loaning games out. I've provided games for demos and convention use at Kumoricon, Sakuracon, Gamestorm, Portland's ComicCon, etc.

I have another Billy bookcases that holds my miniatures, paints and supplies. Painted ones get moved to display case (they aren't that good, but I don't like to always put them in storage) or into game cases or boxes for when we play. Ones that need to be primed and base coated set out on the workstation in the garage for airbrushing. Ones that need to be assembled are on a couple trays from Michaels, so I can move them on and off the shelf but keep them grouped together. Then I have a couple plastic storage bins that set various groups: needs to be assembled, needs to be cleaned, needs touch up work (gap filling, sanding, mold line removal).

The terrain is taking over though, the wife did yell at me about my terrain taking up too much space. Once assembled there is a lot more that needs primed and painted but it takes up vastly more room than miniatures do. I loaned out my Pop-Up Terrain kit to my friends who do D&D games. I loaned out Battle Systems to another group for their RPG sessions, although I may take that back for use for Imperial Assault now.

There is quite a bit which I have been going through and finally starting to decide what to keep, what I'm not going to get around too and making the choice of just getting rid of. There are a few games that I have previously gotten rid of, but then later the family started to take interest so I had to get the games again (Zombicide for example). The kids are starting to develop their own interests so it makes it easier to now figure out what they like, don't like to get a better idea of what we'll play as a family. I do have a couple shelves in the walk in closet which I call the EBay shelf. I need to go through take pictures, update my lists for trades and wants though. Unfortunately time has become a lot less available than it was 1 1/2 years ago, so a lot of KS I planned on playing I know won't get game time so they get put on the sell list.

I have actually cut back quite a bit. I have a couple shelves to unload first before I'm allowed to pick up new stuff.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 22:07:25


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I back quite a lot and while the first flush of excitement is gone I still find it an entertaining game

If the backers actually manage to put together a solid community the comments can be a fun place to hang out and chat (eg mierce, impact miniatures, reaper), although others soon become places you would not want to even visit

and you can get neat new shiney stuff,

sometimes it's a boardgame from CMON or similar that would have happened anyway, but you get a bunch of fun exclusive bits for backing

sometimes it's stuff that just would not have got made without your backing, you may well not save anything much but without KS there would be nothing to buy (eg Olleys Armies)

You don't even need to spend loads if you just want to help out a small campaign either because you like the company/people involved or hope to buy it at retail sometime in the future, that $1 or $5 pledge plus a bit of forum or social media effort does really make a difference,

you don't just have to chase the big projects

and most especially don't depend on KS projects delivering on time (although some do), if you need it for a certain date, rather than at some abstract time in the future steer clear, because once you start being bitter/jittery about project A it will sour you over project B & C etc (even if they are not being nearly as rubbish)

and finally don't pledge what you aren't prepared to loose, because sometimes what you get might not be what you expected (Sedition Wars for many although I was mostly happy with it), sometimes the communications and timescale are just terrible (Relic Knights and Raging Heroes, I'm looking at you) and sometimes the company folds and you loose it all (Cairn, CSM, Defiance Games)

but after all the doom and gloom it's just so cool and exciting and fun when a KS delivers really cool stuff to your door to play/build/game with, a box of Mierce resin, SDE Forgotten King, Arcadia Quest, enough minis to drown yourself in from Reaper Bones, or a handful of little chibi ponies from Impact miniatures, you helped make it happen, you mattered (more or less depending on the company)


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 22:08:50


Post by: JohnHwangDD


@DS - OK, that makes sense. Thanks!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 22:20:52


Post by: Schmapdi


I'm feeling a bit burnt out on them too TBH. I'll back ones for small amounts now, but I'm too overloaded to take on new "100+ minis for $100" pledges.

Fulfillment-wise I actually have nearly all of mine (at least that I should have).

I've done:
First Mantic KoW - sold nearly the entirety of it. Disappointing quality on the Basileans.
Relic Knights - just for the SDE stuff. Late. Complete. Very happy with it though.
Kingdom Death: Monster - My only big disappointment so far, as it's so late I've kinda lost interest.
Rivet Wars: Went big - have it all. Very nice. Worried about how much will be in the next one.
Tablescapes: Secret Weapon - late, but have it. Also nice.
Warmachine Tactics: Delivered. Minis were great, game less so. But I (like most, I suspect) mainly wanted the minis.
Reaper II: Small pledge, sold almost the entirety of it.
SDE: TK: Went big. Partially delivered. Wave 2 should be arriving soonish. Extremely pleased so far.

IndieGoGo:
Freebooter's Fate: Very prompt. The most on-time delivery.
Avatars of War: Very, very late - pledged only for the BSB. Delivered.
*Figone: Actually this one was probably the most on time. Forgot about it because it was mainly just a book. Though did come with 2 minis too.

So only 3 have been especially late. But only one of them remains unfulfilled.

*Left out the Figone campaign, as I was thinking mostly in terms of minis.




Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 23:04:49


Post by: DarkTraveler777


I am burnt out on Kickstarter. My first Kickstarter was Zombicide 1, and I was really bitten hard by the Kickstarter bug afterward. I gotta say, a well run campaign is a lot of fun to participate in and I don't think I'll ever be able to replicate the fun I had with Z1's campaign. The excitement of seeing a new stretch goal reached, having new goals announced, and all of the back and forth between project creators and backers was compelling. Oh, and the exclusives! I love exclusive miniatures, so being able to pledge for those was great. I eventually learned that not all campaigns were like Z1, and the more campaigns I participated in the more I realized the interim period between pledging and receiving any goods eventually began to sour the KS experience for me. Often the delays would result in the project I was planning around the pledge to change or be dropped all together making the pledged item(s) unnecessary. After that occurred a few times I realized that I'd rather forgo the exclusives and delays, and just wait for stuff to show up for retail purchase. Exclusives can be found on eBay or on trading sites, and I don't mind compensating someone else for their patience in dealing with the fulfillment period by paying more for the exclusive than the KS price.

Unless a project is completely unique or groundbreaking, I just can't see myself pledging for anything anytime soon.



My KS list:

Zombicide 1- delivered, pleased with pledge, sold majority for HUGE profit after my gaming group disolved

Dreamforge - delivered, late, buyers remorse caused me to sell all but a few models

Mimic Miniatures - I never filled out my survey, no longer care about receiving reward

Table War Mini Case - delivered on time (or close to), pleased with pledge

Tablescapes - late, pleased with pledge but killed Kickstarter for me.

Olleys Armies Steampunk Scrunts - delivered on time, one of the best campaigns I have participated in

Frontline Gaming/Table War Mat - delivered close to on time, buyers remorse due to storage issue with the mat.

Creature Caster - delayed, buyers remorse as I am no longer working on the project this model was intended for *forgot I even pledged for this campaign until reading this thread*

Krieg Dwarves - delivered close to on time, pleased with my pledge

Salvage Crew - delivered on time, flawless campaign, pleased with my pledge

Tavern Dungeon Decor - waiting for my pledge (shipping now), likely another flawless campaign like the Salvage Crew.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 23:25:20


Post by: agnosto


I'm not going to list the Kickstarters here that I've backed because I'd look like an addict or something; let's just say that my wife had to stage an intervention.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 23:34:32


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 agnosto wrote:
I'm not going to list the Kickstarters here that I've backed because I'd look like an addict or something; let's just say that my wife had to stage an intervention.


Dude, uncool! You can't drop a bomb like that and just walk away without any details.

Revel in your addiction and the subsequent intervention!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/29 23:35:01


Post by: Talizvar


Wow, I am impressed the support people have given to so many projects.

I am not into Kickstarters as much but if some developer thinks of an idea that I agree there is nothing comparable in the market and I want to see it: it gets my support.
I have one requirement on that: I want to see some kind of plan, broad strokes of the resources they lined up to make it real.
I have seen too many ideas with no facts get floated around and then the developer is all surprised they failed and have no clue... drives me nuts.

I have reached a bit of a saturation point of what games I can effectively play and store with any commitment to play in the next few years so I can afford to be REALLY picky.
I am not as concerned about selling things off, when hobby stuff gets in my clutches, there is little hope of escape... ask my wife of the scary man-cave (more like storage crate).


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 00:03:16


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I cleaned up my first post and added a poll, as people love polls...


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 00:29:02


Post by: Jimsolo


My KS use went way up this year. Backed both Deadlands KS, the new TGG, and a KS for western combat maps.

I wish there were more I wanted to back.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 01:25:51


Post by: Buttery Commissar


I've stopped backing. Why? These are the game or nerdy things I backed for:

KOBOLDS ATE MY BABY! IN COLOR!!! - THE ENDLESS BUFFET Reward Pack! - Delivered roughly on time, with updates every fortnight.
Cthulhu Wars - Cultist - Early Bird 1 - Estimated delivery: Dec 2013 - We got the core game late, and I backed for things like shirts, dice, tokens, etc. that I no longer even care about.
Goblins: Alternate Realities - Goblin War Camp Adventurers: Core Game - Estimated delivery: Dec 2013 - Game studio ran off with the money raised, leaving the artist SOL.
Reaper Miniatures Bones II: The Return Of Mr Bones! - CORE SET - Estimated delivery: Nov 2014 - Over-ran but lots of explanations as to why.
The Evil Ponies - Miniature ponies for table-top gaming - DOCTOR PONES - Estimated delivery: Aug 2014 - has sent out backer survey this week
D6xD6 CORE Role-Playing Game - PAPER PAL: Both an ebook and signed print book - Estimated delivery: Dec 2014 - Running late but updating us weekly, adding tons of stretch goals, etc. Upgraded the book to full colour using their own funding.
Mouse Guard: Swords & Strongholds - One copy of Swords & Strongholds plus $40 int. shipping - Estimated delivery: Jan 2015
SCAPULA: World's Worst Villain - BIG BAD BRAWLER Level: The book, digital copy, donor cred… - Actually on time (to the week)! Delivered!
Arcana Playing Cards- 1 deck of Arcana Playing Cards - Actually on time!
There's also Deluxe Tunnels and Trolls - due in May 2013 - I got my pledge because I paid for artwork, but the book is yet unfinished. the crew behind it have been in full contact the entire time.


** Piece de resistance **
ALAS VEGAS: an RPG of bad memories, bad luck & bad blood - LIMITED-EDITION HARDCOVER. - Estimated delivery: Jun 2013
Still supposedly happening, previews promised for various Gen Cons, no PDFs, sporadic updates. Handled by James Wallis, who was part of the recent Paranoia RPG relaunch whilst this is still unresolved.
Bonus fun: The Paranoia RPG sees James teaming up with with Mongoose Publishing who ran this gak-fest that is also still partly unresolved: Judge Dredd Miniatures Game: Block War - Estimated delivery: Dec 2012

I simply don't have disposable income to gamble on whether I ever fething receive anything. At least with stores or eBay I can put things in my hands and not feel I've been taken advantage of.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 01:29:40


Post by: Sining


Somewhat burned out. I'm pretty much only backing established companies on KS now because I'm sick of asking "where's my pledge?" and having people tell me that the creators have no obligation to produce anything.

This kind of contradicts the spirit of KS because I'm pretty much foregoing all the smaller, indie developers. But that's the kind of atmosphere KS fosters imo with their refusal to take any responsibility into their hands or hold their creators to any accountability.

As for my own project list...

DFG - 3 years late, lost interest in wh40k in between when I backed it and when I got the minis. Sold them all
Bones 1-2. Kept the miniatures. Would be intr in a bones terrain KS
Mantic stuff - would still back if the KS interested me
Battlecon - Seems reliable enough. Produces intr board games.
CMON - Backed quite a few of their stuff until z3 where they told me my shipping to SG was 90 USD. On a 100+ USD pledge. At this point, I'll wait for their games to go on amazon prime and order it from them since 125usd and above orders on amazon ship free to SG.
Myth & Mercs : Didn't back Myth2 cause of how horrible the rules for Myth1 were.
RRT - Given up all hope on this I have
Cthulhu wars - Mixed feelings about this. Nice miniatures, average gameplay, long delays. Then there's the creators constant spamming of other KS on the KS updates and their 'we're just a small company' excuse every single time
Pulp city - Kinda regret backing this, mostly because my intr died by the time I received it.
Sodapop - Seems fairly reliable when not teamed up with CMON.
Mantis Storage - so much trouble with this. Supposed to ship out in October but the creator has run out of money.
Happy Seppuku stamps - I use their base stamps fairly often so I'm happy enough with that. Their first KS was on time, early even. Their 2nd KS however is late by 1 month + at this juncture.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 01:34:23


Post by: Guildsman


I've only backed a couple, but no serious bad experiences yet. I backed the first Bombshell kickstarter, which went fine, and I'm still waiting on Kingdom Death, of course. Beyond that, I've backed a couple small campaigns outside of miniatures. All of them have gone fairly smoothly.

Two things are holding me back from pledging more often. First, I rarely have enough cash on hand at the time of a campaign to make it worthwhile. Sometimes it's nice to purchase in increments rather than dropping $150 in one go. Second, it's becoming increasingly difficult to find campaigns that I trust enough to pledge on. So many projects have gone pear-shaped, or at least poorly-handled, even from companies that should know better. There is an inherent risk in Kickstarter, and I doubt that I'm the only one who's a little more discerning in which projects I back these days.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 01:43:45


Post by: Nostromodamus


I'll be backing 12 Realms: Bedtime Stories and Warpath, then I'm done with KS.

Good savings to be had, but too much stress and hassle.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 01:47:05


Post by: cincydooley


 agnosto wrote:
I'm not going to list the Kickstarters here that I've backed because I'd look like an addict or something; let's just say that my wife had to stage an intervention.



I'll drop the bomb first, agnosto. Then you can follow if you chose.

Okay then.....

Spoiler:

Zombiecide S1 - First KS I backed. Backed it after playing it at Adepticon. Sold the entire pledge shortly after it shipped and right when it was hot for around $1700. Bought everything I wanted again later. Very pleased.

Sedition Wars - Don't hate it nearly as much as most. The gameplay is lacking. I actually love the Vanguard models.

Relic Knights - Super late. Don't hate the game. Don't hate the minis. But a slight underwhelming. Got the 6 pack. Sold 4 armies, w/ KS items, each for around $120 each. Profit.

Evil Baby Orphanage - Horribly Run. Horribly late. Unimpressed by all of it.

Cincinnati Comic Con - Local Convention. Cheap. Got a piece of original art for my wife (a Katie Cook tinkerbell) Very worth it.

Boss Monster - Slightly late. Played it. Liked it. Sold it for $130. Bought the base game again for $17. Worth.

Kingdom Death: Monster - By far my biggest KS expenditure. Still hasn't delivered. Not happy. Will most likely sell immediately along with the rest of my KD collection.

Guilds of Cadwallon - Shipped early. Fun little filler. Satisfied.

Rivet Wars - Shipped on time. Bought everything. One of my absolute favorite games. Highly satisfied.

Darklands: World of War - Models Shipped on time. Incredible minis. Very pleased.

Zombicide S2 - Shipped early. Incredibly pleased.

Wild West Exodus - Shipped on time. High quality at a good value. Satisfied.

Dungeon Roll - Slightly Late. Simple, fun game. Satisfied.

Arena Rex- Late. Models made up for it. Mikh is a turd. Otherwise very satisfied.

Small World 2 - iPad game. Delivered on time. Very satisfied.

MYTH - Shipped slightly late for base game. Problems with gameplay that have been fixed. Satisfied +

Krosmaster Arena - Didn't like how the campaign was run. Backed anyway. Very fun game in a very fun universe. On time. Satisfied.

Hunters of Arcfall - Shipped slightly late. Fun, simple filler game with great art. Very satisfied.

Deadzone - Shipped mostly on time (sort of... I think gak is still coming?). The models are trash. Sold it within two weeks. Did not get ROI. Will never back a mantic KS again.

Warmachine Tactics - Shipped mostly on time. Satisfied with the minis. Game is meh. Satisfied -

Wrath of Kings - Shipped quite late. Models are fantastic. Love the game. Very satisfied.

Darklands: First Edition - Shipped mostly on time. Brilliant models. Very satisfied.

Septikon: Uranium Wars - Shipped 1 month late w/ constant updates. Really unique 2P game that my wife and I love. Extremely satisfied.

Shadows of Brimstone - Base game picked up at Gencon. Who the feth knows about the rest. Incredibly disappointed with the minis. Sold for $50 profit within 1 month.

Big City Prints - Print of our city skyline. Shipped on time. Extremely satisfied.

Thirty81 Baseball Stadium Prints - Shipped on time. A gift for my brother. He loves it. Extremely satisfied.

Krosmaster Frigost - Run much more competently than the first KS. Shipped early. Satisfied +

Journey Wrath of Demons - Not yet shipped. Solid updates, so i'm not that disappointed. Overall satisfaction pending.

Lil Dicky Album - Not Yet shipped. Updates have been good. Was supporting an artist i like more than anything, so unconcerned about the rewards shipping.

Zombie 15 - Shipped early. Incredibly fun filler zombie game that makes a great companion game to Zombicide. Extremely satisfied.

Wakfu Animated Series - Really late. Very poor communication. Unimpressed. It's a good thing I like the show.

Arcadia Quest - Shipped early. Amazing game. Extremely satisfied.

SDE TFK - Wave 1 shipped slightly late. Game looks great. Satisfied + so far.

Miasma War: Endless Tactics - Shipped early! Wanted to support the company. I enjoy the minis. And the game is really fun. Very satisfied.

Reading Rainbow - Shipped on time, I think? My wife wanted to back it. She's happy with her t-shirt.

Xenoshyft - Not yet received, so late. Satisfaction Pending

Zombicide S3 - Shipped on time. Extremely satifised.

Lelani & the Plastic Kingdom (childrens book) - On time, and the author wrote a beautiful message to my infant daughter in it. Extremely satisfied.

Flashpoint Honor & Duty - Shipped on time. No problems. Satisfied.

Filmography of Guns - Shipped on time DURING the holidays. Love the print. Very satisfied.

Strife, Legacy of the Eternal - Shipped mostly on time. Fun little 2 player game my wife and I enjoy. Satisfied.

Dragon Forge Ancient Ruins Bases - Shipped on time. Great product. Extremely satisifed.

The following have yet to ship:

Darklands Monstrous Mounts - Late
Darklands New Kindreds - Not yet late
Shadows over normandie - Late
MAS Base Inserts - Late
King Down - Late
Fallen Frontiers - Not yet late. Looks amazing.
Pixel Tactics Deluxe - $1 Pledge, will most likely not increase
Rum & Bones - Not Yet late.
V- Commandos - Not Yet Late
Shadowrun Hong Kong - Not yet Late
Trickerion Legends of Illusion - Not yet late.
Conan - Not Yet Late
Blood Rage - Not Yet Late
Myth Journeyman - Not yet late
Ninja All Stars - $1 Pledge, will increase
Norsaga - NOt yet late.



So...there's that.

I'm a little pickier these days, but I'm a sucker to support a project that's run by people I know personally or that looks unique.

Most of my hobby spending goes to KS now if it doesn't have a Star or Wars on it

**And yes, I have this all entered in an excel doc with it programmed to tell me when something is late, how much I spent on it, how much I made selling pieces of it, etc. With the pieces I've sold, I'm actually not far from being in the black.....


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 01:53:23


Post by: Tannhauser42


Let's just say I've backed enough projects that I easily qualified for the Backer Club website. 2/3 were gaming related, computer and tabletop. The rest assorted among food, clothes, and tech. Edit: just looked it up, backed 92 successful projects, and an additional 17 that I backed out of, were unsuccessful, or were cancelled by the creator.

I've backed far less projects in the past several months than I used to, but that's largely because less and less projects interest me. It's as if the majority of the really good ideas have already come and gone.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 02:19:29


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Buttery Commissar wrote:I've stopped backing. Why? These are the game or nerdy things I backed for:

I simply don't have disposable income to gamble on whether I ever fething receive anything. At least with stores or eBay I can put things in my hands and not feel I've been taken advantage of.


Whoa, that is a very unlucky selection of KS to have backed. I don't blame you for quitting. I'd be mad, too.
____

Sining wrote:Somewhat burned out. I'm pretty much only backing established companies on KS now because I'm sick of asking "where's my pledge?" and having people tell me that the creators have no obligation to produce anything.

This kind of contradicts the spirit of KS because I'm pretty much foregoing all the smaller, indie developers. But that's the kind of atmosphere KS fosters imo with their refusal to take any responsibility into their hands or hold their creators to any accountability.


Yeah, I'm of a similar mind to focus on actual companies with some kind of track record to deliver things. Then I see how KD is super late with minimal Updates... *grumble*

While I like the idea of indie companies getting off the ground, the real small guys (e.g. KD, DFG) are so challenged to keep things moving professionally. Or they're bunch of half-wit feth-ups (e.g. Steve Jackson, Palladium, Dream Pod 9). I totally get the disillusionment.
____

Tannhauser42 wrote:Let's just say I've backed enough projects that I easily qualified for the Backer Club website. 2/3 were gaming related, computer and tabletop. The rest assorted among food, clothes, and tech. Edit: just looked it up, backed 92 successful projects, and an additional 17 that I backed out of, were unsuccessful, or were cancelled by the creator.

I've backed far less projects in the past several months than I used to, but that's largely because less and less projects interest me. It's as if the majority of the really good ideas have already come and gone.


Wait, there's a super secret club that you need to back 100+ projects?

As my closet fills, I agree the bar for something interesting raises higher. Things that I would have backed in 2012 / 2013 just aren't as compelling in 2015 (Ninja All-Stars is in this category).


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 02:46:37


Post by: Cyporiean


Hey Cincy, Miasma War shipped early.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 02:49:42


Post by: cincydooley


 Cyporiean wrote:
Hey Cincy, Miasma War shipped early.


Oh gak, did it?

I'll be honest, it was one that I wasn't really worried about getting, so I wasn't really paying attention! Lemme fix!

FYI, when does the next one start?


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 02:54:14


Post by: Cyporiean


 cincydooley wrote:
 Cyporiean wrote:
Hey Cincy, Miasma War shipped early.


Oh gak, did it?

I'll be honest, it was one that I wasn't really worried about getting, so I wasn't really paying attention! Lemme fix!

FYI, when does the next one start?


Yeah, due date was April and we shipped almost everything in March. Only thing left is printed copies of the campaign book for the handful of backers that ordered it, which we announced would be late back after the campaign ended and we got hit with a bunch of failed pledges. We're just waiting on the art to be finished and then printing, so estimate is Mid-to-Late June.

EFT: Gaiden is going to be May 22nd-June 20th.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 08:36:28


Post by: Elemental


Sining wrote:
Somewhat burned out. I'm pretty much only backing established companies on KS now because I'm sick of asking "where's my pledge?" and having people tell me that the creators have no obligation to produce anything.


If I hear "Kickstarter is not a pre-order!" one more time, I may headbutt my monitor.

Malifaux RPG: Arrived about a year late, poor communication, but they did include a free box of miniatures as thanks for waiting.
Primeval Thule RPG: Arrived over a year late, poor communication.
Space: 1889 RPG: Arrived over a year late, poor communication.
Exalted 3E RPG: Close to two years late, appalling communication (including an unpleasant incident where the devs called out fans as being "toxic" for wanting more information, but turned a blind eye to the white knights being just as toxic).
Hell Dorado: Inferno: About six months late, I think, never really checked for communication.
Kingdom Death: Close to two years late, decent communication.
Relic Knights: Gave up on this one and got my pledge back after (you guessed it) over a year of waiting and poor communication.
Mierce (3 different KS's): Good communication, seemed to realise that the due date has to mean something long ago, but now they're doing the same schedule slips as everyone else, so I probably won't back any future ones.
Warmachine Tactics: Good communication, on time, but clearly rushed.
Ambient Environment: Soundtracks: A mere month late, good communication.
Raging Heroes: TGITG: Over a year late, RH-level communication, not so bad because I just ordered one mini.

So quite jaded at this point. Creators seem consistently incapable of realising that the "delivery estimate" entry should MEAN SOMETHING, and that maybe just maybe they should allow themselves a little slack in case something unexpected happens. I'm also sick of projects which are super chatty when they're collecting money and then go into communications blackout once they've got it.

Right now, I mentally add a year onto the date of every KS I back and then ask myself if I still want it. I have no expectations.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 11:19:21


Post by: Krinsath


I'm backing comparatively fewer KS anymore, and at much lower levels of participation. It's not so much dissatisfaction as it is I realized that buying things that I'd receive in 18-36 months didn't stop me from buying other things in the interim. This becomes a problem when I say "Oh! Let's buy <new army> for <game X>!" and then I think "I have 50 pounds of plastic coming from KD:M still..."

The campaigns become something of the Sword of Damocles at that point, as each delay increases the amount of other shiny things I want.

My hit list:
Spoiler:

DFG Metal Eisenkern - Backed this for a decent chunk of metal. Product shipped a little late, minor casting hiccup, overall satisfied.
DFG Plastic Eisenkern - Backed for a large amount. Incredibly late and past useful for what I wanted the models for. However, they're great models and I'm keeping every one of them. No real regrets.
DreadBall - Backed for everything just about. Actually enjoy the game, would do it again.
KD:M - Backed enough to get a WHFB army going. Very late, but still excited for the project.
DeadZone - Believe this ended up being my biggest spend. Haven't played a game yet, but I have a tub-full of modular scenery now and that was my main focus. Might not go as crazy for it now, but still not miffed about anything. Think across the three waves it was about 80 pounds of plastic/restic (mostly plastic).
Bones 2 - Sweet spot + couple addons. Not sure why I backed this honestly, but it gives me a stable of "throwaway" miniatures if I wanted to teach someone to paint. Plus Dragons Don't Share is pretty cool. Might not back it today, but that's just because of usefulness vs. space consumed.
Mars Attacks! - Mainly backed for the DB and DZ content, and the game was only $15 more at that point. Not something I was massively interested in otherwise, but it's a neat little deal.
DreadBall Extreme - Completionist pledge - Still in progress. I like DreadBall, so I'd keep this one still even though the value was iffier.
SDE: TFK - Another completionist pledge - Fulfillment late but in progress. Overall happy with what was received.
Dungeon Saga - Jerk pledge - Ended up passing because between Descent and Imperial Assault, FFG had that genre covered in my gaming library.
DeadZone Infestation - Jerk pledge - wanting to see more before I plunk down money for something being delivered in 8 months or so. This is me getting a bit jaded on spend. Chances are that will end up being a 3-figure amount by the end though as there is a lot of things I like, just not enough for sight-unseen.
Maelstrom's Edge - It's run by these guys who seem reeeeeeeeeeeeally shady, but I think I'll give them a shot. They run a forum somewhere I heard.


I've not hit all the big successes, but I think I've managed to avoid the worst of the failures overall. I'm rapidly running out of space in which to live though, so...yeah...the spend is down compared to the heady days of 2012 or 2013.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 12:11:11


Post by: Baragash


I don't have a "back less" or "back more" strategy, if stuff I like comes up I'll find the £ to jump in.

Delivered Stuff

Kings of War I - Backed it for an Orc army, which was mostly existing plastic so didn't suffer from "WTF is this gak?" with the restic stuff or new plastic sculpts as much as others may have.
Sedition Wars - Massive buyer's remorse. Had inside recommendation from a playtester I know well, even he was like "what the hell have they released" when the final rules came out.
Dreadball - Loved it initially but lack of balance, support and oh gawd the restic has got me considering liquidating it.
Kingdom Death Monster - Still excited, but oh gawd the wait! This has to be one of the best lessons in "just keep to a tight selection of items you want to produce".
Loka - No complaints.
Hell Dorado: Inferno - Happy with what I got, but sad that the delays may have done serious harm to the game, though apparently there's a podcast this week saying there's still more stuff coming.
MYTH - Buyer's remorse.
Deadzone - If I didn't view this as some sort of development pre-cursor to Warpath (in terms of fluff and models) I'd definitely be sorry. Fortunately everything but the game rules saves this.
Oathsworn: Heroes of the Dwarfs - Lovely set of Dwarf models, on time, great communication, the gold standard of Kickstarters, even if it was a small one.
Oathsworn: Heroes - Everything I said directly above!
Darklands: First Edition - Great models, great communication, shame about the rulebook, but given my above experiences with Dreadball/Deadzone/Sedition Wars/MYTH, I'm not actually upset at the delay.
Mars Attacks - Just backed this for the Dreadball team (pre-epiphany) and the exclusives in case I wanted to pick it up later, which I probably will.
Tarot of Loka - No complaints.
Dreadball Xtreme - Small backing prior to becoming disillusioned with Dreadball.
Mercs: Recon - Backed this for the MYTH bits prior to making a decision on MYTH.
Darklands: First Edition II - See previous DL comments.
Dragon Slayer - Simple dice game, delivered quickly.
Darklands: Monstrous Mounts - See previous DL comments.
Darklands: New Kindreds - See previous DL comments.

Also Indigogo:
Freebooter's Fate: Legends - excellently run.


Outstanding Stuff

Dungeon Saga: Dwarf King's Quest - I have my reservations about whether Mantic can deliver a worthy set of advanced rules given their previous track record on league systems.
Basius 2 - Didn't back their previous KS so no experience, communication has been reasonable so far.
Norsgard - Nothing to form an opinion on yet, communication has been reasonable so far.
Kings of War II - No opinion yet.
Exploding Kittens - Nothing to form an opinion on yet, communication has been reasonable so far.
The Edge - Didn't like this enough to put money in yet other than the £1, KS exclusive game content irritates me so this may well stay as a lost £1.
Deadzone Infestation - Backing this for Warpath, so hopefully plastic sprues continue at recent quality.
GameFindr App - Nothing to form an opinion on yet, communication has been reasonable so far.
Maelstrom's Edge - Nothing to form an opinion on yet, but only backing for the rules.
Open Combat - Is just a set of rules so should be straight forward.
MYTH: Journeymen - for the low price I thought I may as well get the revised rules.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 12:35:38


Post by: Rayvon


I invested in two, both are still yet to deliver, I have waited two years for the raging heroes TGG one and I must admit, my experiences with these two companies have put me off using kickstarter again.

I would have probably invested in more if there were not so many "early bird" deals that I miss out on also, I always hate that part.

I will not be using kickstarter again, I will stick to retail and let my friends and acquaintances test the kickstarter water in the future, I just can not justify a two year plus wait for some minis.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 12:57:22


Post by: agnosto


 cincydooley wrote:
 agnosto wrote:
I'm not going to list the Kickstarters here that I've backed because I'd look like an addict or something; let's just say that my wife had to stage an intervention.



I'll drop the bomb first, agnosto. Then you can follow if you chose.


Ok, several of you have me beat by a long shot. I have to say that I've been pretty lucky in that I've only been burned once to the tune of $100 by "The Mini Box" tool who took the money and product and ran; he even had the gall to ask for help to ship stuff out and bilked people out of more money that way. Anywho, I figured out how to hide my addiction from the wife and it was just a switch to computer games, this stopped the comments about boxes on the front porch.

Here's my list but it's going to be anti-climatic next to Cincy and others'...

Spoiler:
Kings of War - shipped on time, decent communication except for random material and sculpt switches. This KS soured my budding romance with Mantic and I've hated them ever since. Gave most of what I got away, threw quite a bit in the trash, some of it still lingers on a shelf in my nerd closet.

Dreamforge - shipped late, good communication, excellent product; value was good but not awesome.

Legends of Dawn - computer game, on-time, still supported, decent all-round.

Torment: Tides of Numenera - late late late, will be finished some time in the next millennia.

Wasteland 2 - on-timeish good communication, decent game

Deadzone - Another Mantic KS, due to the way they layer their kickstarters, I backed this one before I had received the piles of crappy restic and metal that was produced through Kings of War. I wound up with more crappy restic. Yay. Played the game 2 times and it now sits on a shelf because the rules are terrible and the guy writing them actively argues with people who point out deficiencies (look, 2 mortars rule the board; his response, uh uh, no they don't).

Battle Worlds: Kronos - computer game. great value because I got the full game on computer and tablet for the same price.

The Mini Box - will never see this unless I drive to Houston and knock on someone's door with a sheriff in tow.

StarCrawlers - chugging along, fun sci-fi dungeon crawl.

Hard West - slow but gave beta access to all backers.

Graywalkers: Purgatory - probably will be late, little communication.

Zombiecide: Season 3 - yeah, I think everybody backed this one.



So, relatively minor compared to you other people.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 13:01:17


Post by: angelofvengeance


If it's nice and pretty reasonable VfM(Value for Money) and I like the stuff/need it I'll back it.

Delivered Stuff:

Starscapes- Backed it for a Space themed mat and was late by a little bit but otherwise EXCELLENT when received!

Deadzone- Backed it because holy gak- lots of terrain to play with and shiny new dollies. Nice game too (still not finished assembling it/painting it all) Wasn't particularly impressed with Restic though.

Frontline- Amazing mats but a little expensive. Use them a lot though!

Games&Gears- Needed some badass paintbrushes and holy gak are they ever?! Best £77 I've spent (2 sets of brushes+ freehand and paint rack)

Reaper Bones II- Excellent stuff. Fleshed out my Beastmen army very nicely with that lot!

Mars Attacks!- Another Mantic one. Wasn't interested in the game so much as the various giant bugs they were offering. Plus more scenery (damn you, willpower!)

Battle Systems Sci Fi terrain- Very happy with it, sadly not put much of it together though!

Infinite Crypt- Nice laser cut stuff. Not really good VfM though, plus there were no instructions on how to build the various stuff. He thought it'd be funny if people sussed it out for themselves...Needless to say, I won't be backing anything else of his.


Outstanding stuff:

Alien Vs Predator- Ughhhh!!! Don't get me started! Thankfully we appear to be nearing the light at the end of the tunnel. Plus the pics from Salute this year are amazing. Can't wait to get my hands on it!

Creature Caster- Again.. Pretty late at the moment, but we are (very slowly) seeing some updates from Jeremy Glen. Now he's finished mucking about with his Yoga crap that is.

Heresy Miniatures- A Dungeon's Worth of Monsters pledge. Running a little late, but then I've waited 4 years for his frankly, fething amazing dragon!(Which I now have!!!) Plus he sends sweets with his stuff lol.

Dungeon Saga- Went in pretty heavy for this, mainly cause the models look brilliant for the most part. No issues yet.

Kings of War- Went for the God of War pledge to get 2 starter armies for my brother and I. No issues yet.

Minion Miniatures- May is on the horizon and should be getting stuff shortly I hope. No issues yet.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 14:43:19


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Somewhere between less and stopped. I have enough.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 14:59:45


Post by: sockwithaticket


I've only backed 2, the Dreamforge one for some plastic Eisenkern and the recent Anvil one.

I am cognisant of not going all out on stuff that looks cool because I don't want to be one of those people who has more unbuilt/unpainted stuff than they could conceivably deal with in a lifetime. I've already got a good few years worth of stuff to paint (assuming my current rate of productivity stays consistent),and am in no rush to add to it unless the project is exceptional, as the above two were.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 15:13:53


Post by: Some Good 15mm Uhlans?


Never backed a project, but that may well change with the upcoming Secrets of the Third Reich one. Very excited about that.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 16:08:49


Post by: durecellrabbit


I'm still waiting for my first projects to arrive but I've not backed much stuff.

Yatagarasu Attack on Cataclysm (Computer Game) - is over a year overdue but at least they gave us alpha and beta access.

Everything else hasn't reached it's delivery date yet but I only got back into miniature games last August so I've only backed a few recent projects. If Kings of War 2 and The Great War work out well then I'll keep backing if the stuff interest me but I think I'm rapidly reaching my limit on the amount of stuff I have time to paint.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 20:57:24


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I appreciate the lists and the comments. I feel a lot more sane about how much (or little?) I've spent via KS, and also about how well (or poorly!!!) various creators are doing against their estimated delivery dates.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/04/30 23:01:42


Post by: marv335


I've backed a few,
The worst one is Rogue Trooper from Mongoose, It was my first and I'm still waiting.
I think it's a couple of years overdue now.
AVP,
Maelstroms Edge,
Spectrum Bluetooth keyboard
Pebble time
Lithiumcard
exploding kittens
Kobolds Ate My Baby
Gravity Hook, Titanium grappling hook
Shadowrun hong kong
AKO Dice
Dice Chest
Tablescapes games board
Augie and the green knight book
Exo Skeletons assault squad
Armymals.
De La Soul album project

I back stuff that lookks interesting.
It'll turn up eventually.
The only thing I'm really excited to get is the Pebble Time, and it's due in the next month or so so I'm not too worried.
Everything else will get here when it gets here.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/01 04:54:25


Post by: Buttery Commissar


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Buttery Commissar wrote:I've stopped backing. Why? These are the game or nerdy things I backed for:

I simply don't have disposable income to gamble on whether I ever fething receive anything. At least with stores or eBay I can put things in my hands and not feel I've been taken advantage of.


Whoa, that is a very unlucky selection of KS to have backed. I don't blame you for quitting. I'd be mad, too.
I was unemployed when I backed a couple of those (Goblins Alternative Realities I remember specifically), and thought they'd be a lovely treat for when I was back on my feet later.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/01 13:26:41


Post by: kronk


I can count on one hand the kickstarters I've backed. Each was something I really liked, from people that I trust, for a price that was more than reasonable.

If the product doesn't have those three things, they can feth off.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 02:41:03


Post by: RivenSkull


Last summer I banked a fair amount of spare cash, much of which went into far too many Kickstarters, and a few Indiegogo's. Since then only 2 have delivered, while several are too soon from their funding date to get any real gauge. Most are on progress with a few hiccups , and overall the majority are looking to complete roughly on schedule.

Delivered:
Corvus Corax Miniatures - Dakka's own Grefven's Kickstarter. Only 1 mini got unlocked, but the mini design and the casting were spectacular.
Figopedia - A pretty good painting book. Definitely worth it, and the 2 included mini's were pretty good as well.

Troll Outpost - Initially supposed to have been shipped in December, and judging by the KS comments, the majority of backers have yet to receive anything. The figures were for the most part old designs they had done, mixed with new sculpts. Even now, there is still a digital render that has yet to be printed. Poor communication, repeatedly saying that things have been shipped, but then saying that the shipped miniatures were the "non delayed" figures. Rapidly losing any belief I will ever receive anything. UPDATE: My pledge came in today. I'll look over everything tonight but is seems that the mini's are pretty good.

Recently Funded - No signs of worry thus far:
Blood Rage - Aside from the recent shipping increase, that while annoying, hasn't put a damper on things.
The Edge - Beautiful mini's, excited to see how things turn out with this. This one has potential to go late, but with so many of the mini's being prototyped already, it shouldn't be too bad.
Conan: Hyborian Quests - The recent funds issues and some of the sculptor concerns point to this being a late delivery. Not the end of the world, as I'm sure this will deliver even if late, but there are some small flags that have been raised.
Horde Invasion - An IndieGoGo campaign, this is some Russian 3d modeler's pet project. Lots of updates on progress, even if they are only stating that more models have been printed. Could still go either way, but so far the high level of communication has given good signs.
Exception: Toughest Girls in the Galaxy - They say it will be delivered in a year. Bull I'm sure I'll get them, eventually. Potential to lose interest by the time they arrive.

Funded, progressing without worry:
ATER - A nice horror themed set of 54mm figures. Several good for alt models, including Necron C'tan. Still looking forward to these.
Fireteam Zero - All I got were the models to be used in RPGs, wasn't that interested in the game. Things are progressing well, and if it ends up a little late, that fine for me.
Kings of War 2nd Edition - I had really hoped that the demon line wouldn't look cheesy. I was disappointed and just got a bunch of Undead instead. No worry about receiving as everything I got is already on retail.
Dungeon Saga - Mantic hasn't been the best at communicating, but it is still several months prior to estimated delivery. I only got a few figures from this, so I'm not heavily invested in this, so it will most likely show up one day and I'll be surprised about a package.
Minion Miniatures Monsters - It's taking a bit longer than estimated, but with 50% of figures in resin, this will potentially be a month or two late. Models look gorgeous and I can't wait for my package and the next KS.
Twisting Catacombs - Progressing. Looking good. Waiting for more renders and prints to fill PM.
Basius 2 - Massive delay after a massive success. Quickly after funding, they announced that due to the massive KS success, the sheer number of orders would drive the delivery back into May. Good news is they should be meeting the May delivery. Really disappointed as to not have had them delivered in Feb, but oh well.
Battlesystems Fantasy - Seems to be moving on schedule. We'll see how the final product turns out. I recall a number of people having some buyers remorse with the Sci-fi if only due to the amount of material prep and lack of use. May end up being a resell.
Demigods: Rising - With the recent storm with Titan Forge shown here and here, they are going to have a secondary, smaller kickstarter to fund new resin versions of the game. As much as I do like the new versions and the Prodos resin, this does mildly worry me. Delayed to December delivery on the game. Some worry here.
Trollforged Alien Host - I ended up buying another person's pledge for this, so my waiting meter for it is very low. I'll get it when I get it. Only danger will be if I still have interest when it happens.
Kingdom Death - My other buy in. I feel that even if I had joined during the campaign, I'd still be as excited for this as I am.

Worry:
All things Mierce: So far I've backed 3 Mierce KSs: I went large in both Monstrous Mounts and New Kindreds. I also dropped the minimum on Bane Beasts Mighty Monsters to access to a cheaper Krull. But with so many funded sculpts so far behind schedule, and Mierce continuing with more kickstarters, mixed with the company's history, has really got me feeling nervous about the eventual delivery.

Awww crap:
Drakerys - I went in with paypal post KS, so I still have a full 70 days to initiate a refund with Paypal. That aside, the game is going to be delayed massively, and production miniatures have not been revealed. If they are not revealed before the paypal date, I'll be disputing it to get my money back.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 05:11:27


Post by: Kilkrazy


Kickstarters and Indiegogos what I have backed:

OGRE
Failure. I backed it early and the massive expansion of the concept once the Kickstarter became popular put the final game beyond my financial reach, due to shipping costs, so I scaled back to a PDF of the rules, which I have never received.

Flame Wars
Complete success. I could wish the cards were printed on better quality stock, but I put all my card game cards in sleeves anyway.

Super Dungeon Explore
A complete success as far as I am concerned. I got two copies and gave one to my brother in return for shipping the second one over to the UK for me.

Bug-A-Salt
Success, except that one of my guns broke soon after starting to use it. Even though it's a cheap plastic gun it ought to last more than a couple of dozen shots. This didn't encourage me to use the other one. However the concept was proved and the company is now doing a V2 gun.

Haafu
Complete success. The film took a long time to be finished but the team did keep people informed with email so it was not a disappointment.

Elite
Success. The game was finished more or less on time and has got good reviews. There was a last minute hassle about off-line mode. I don't have a PC and backed this project for nostalgia, having hugely enjoyed the original BBC version in the early 80s.

Tentacle Bento
Complete success. This was the game that got kicked off Kickstarter after Kotaku started their Tentacle Grape campaign. Like Flame Wars, I wish the cards were printed on better quality stock.

Mobile Frame Zero
Complete success. I got my rulebook and stickers on time and the quality is great.


I have always approached Kickstarters on the basis of backing a possibly risky project. It goes wrong if you think of it as a pre-order system, because too many people running projects don't have the resources to make the thing work.

I think the projects that work best are the ones with a well defined, relatively limited object without heaps of stretch goals. It obviously helps if the people running it are experience and trained too, but that is no guarantee.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 12:22:18


Post by: weeble1000


So far I have backed (not counting $1 pledges):

Blood Rage
RBG Barbarian Hordes
Portaball 15mm Fantasy Football
RBG Heroic Fantasy Miniatures
Tac-Tiles: Modular Wet and Dry Erase Gaming Surface
WOLSUNG
RBG Barbarian Horde Miniatures
Mecha Front
Aetherium
RBG Norse Warrior Miniatures
Reaper Bones II (small pledge)
RBG Dwarves, Goblins, and Orcs, Oh MY!
RBG Fantasy Miniatures

The list only looks somewhat long because I back all of the Red Box Games campaigns.

Aetherium delivered well, RBG always delivers well these days, Tac-Tiles delivered well, Mecha Front delivered well, Portaball delivered well, Reaper Bones delivered well, and WOLSUNG delivered, but I am still waiting on my Ninja Cats.

In general, I don't really like what Kickstarter is doing to the market. I'm actually rather pleased to see some folks expressing Kickstarter fatigue/burnout.

I have seen lots of companies talk about the perceived need to use Kickstarter. At the same time, I know of very few small companies that have described Kickstarter as a positive experience. I have heard about campaigns losing money, breaking even, and being a major hassle over releasing via traditional retail. I have even heard highly qualified comments about campaigns that go reasonably well and make a bit of profit.

That just doesn't square with me. Money is pouring into Kickstarter, but apparently it isn't doing a lot of businesses much good. In a cruel twist of intent, Kickstarter actually serves to magnify risk for small businesses, and it is very difficult to be successful on Kickstarter without having an established market presence.

Kickstarter has value, certainly, but it seems to me that lots of folks are going to Kickstarter because they feel that it is necessary to remain competitive, rather than because they want to take advantage of the benefits Kickstarter can provide to their business. When I look at Kickstarter from the perspective of a new business owner, all I see is a marketing platform. That's what you get with Kickstarter. But using that marketing platform is fraught with risk and requires a significant investment of capital if you want to use it effectively.

Can you get that benefit for equal or less cost/risk in other ways? Can you operate a profitable table top games company without using Kickstarter?


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 12:24:53


Post by: Sigvatr


 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Kickstarter allows for projects that would never see the light via classic distribution as it allows indie / smaller companies to get the budget they need without having to make (huge) amendments to a publisher or another 3rd party. Pillars of Eternity, for example, would have never been released without Kickstarter as it's too complex for the modern mainstream market but thanks to us backers, we now hae the best game of at least one decade delivered to us.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 13:07:33


Post by: BeAfraid


For what it is worth, Entreprenuerial and Venture Capitalist professional Journals rate Kickstarter, overall, as being overrated.

They say that for known companies funding vanity or boutique projects, it can hardly be beat (which is what Game Companies are).

But for unknown ventures, less than 18% of all Campaigns get funding, and a HUGE proportions of those never deceiver (over 80%) on their claimed investments.

So... Gaming is well ahead of the curve, and Kickstarter seems tailor made for this sort of venture (what Enterprise and Ventue Capitalists term "Boutique" industries, catering to hobbyists and collectors).

MB


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 Sigvatr wrote:
 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Kickstarter allows for projects that would never see the light via classic distribution as it allows indie / smaller companies to get the budget they need without having to make (huge) amendments to a publisher or another 3rd party. Pillars of Eternity, for example, would have never been released without Kickstarter as it's too complex for the modern mainstream market but thanks to us backers, we now hae the best game of at least one decade delivered to us.


This was explicitly mentioned by the VC Journal I read.

They said that niche industries, with an established customer base, yet a company within that base without notoriety, is the key customer of kickstarter.

If they are capable of delivering on their first funded KS, then they are (overall - as a statistical grouping) hundreds of times more likely to be successful on a second round of fundraising.

And, that having successful kickstarter campaigns brings an increased likelihood of the company or venture being able to seek out more traditional (and thus stable) sources of funding in the future.

For the gaming industry, though... It is likely that KS is all most will ever need.

MB


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 13:29:03


Post by: weeble1000


That article lines up pretty well with my personal observations.

The catch is that for a company "within that base without notoriety," Kickstarter is a very real bet-the-company proposition.

A failed campaign is a great way to seriously tarnish your company's image.

I think this is why we are beginning to see new ventures build up a small retail presence and customer base prior to launching a modest campaign with a low funding goal.

You need a base of customers that you can count on to back your campaign, and you need your first campaign to be successful.

That said, another thing that the article doesn't seem to mention is that funding does not necessarily equal profit. I haven't read it, so the article might mention this.

Even if you are likely to get funding a second time, you might wind up 'chasing your tail', so to speak, launching back to back campaigns that ultimately put you deeper and deeper into the red.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 13:30:13


Post by: carlos13th


I dont back much kickstarter stuff. Only thing I regret not backing is the zombicide stuff as I really like that game.

All together I have backed the following.

Wasteland 2: Got it was happy with it

Deadzone: Got it was dissapointed with it. Very unlikley to back a mantic kickstarter again.

Warmachine Tactics: Got it dissapointed with what I have played so far

Tangiers stealth game: About a year late so far that said I like the idea of a very different steath game and even if it doesn't succeed they seem to be working on it as best they can and I am happy to lose a bit of cash in an attempt to help a unique looking stealth game to be released.

O-umajirushi: 17th Century Samurai Heraldry book. Very nice PDF received.

Steel Fist Samurai lords: Should be delivered in the next few months. Happy to support the company even if it ends up delayed. Smaller companies using it to make stuff they couldn't afford to otherwise is why I like kickstarter and I think this s

So only two board/war gaming kickstarters so far.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 15:54:28


Post by: Da Boss


I've not backed many Kickstarters, mostly sticking with Tre Manor's Red Box Games ones.

I was lucky in his first one as I went for models which worked well in the Trollforged material so I got my pledge on time. I know others waited a very long time for theirs, but AFAIK Tre made good on all the pledges despite losing a fair bit of money on that first KS.

I backed his Goblin/Dwarf/Orc KS and am delighted with the end result, and I backed his Norse Warriors and Aenglish/Brigands KS due to that and am equally pleased with them. I figure I'll be happy with what I get from his current one too.

Apart from my RBG fanboyism, I've only backed Realm Works, which I found a bit disappointing actually, and Dungeon Saga. Dungeon Saga is my first Mantic KS, and I hope it doesn't disappoint!

I think I've been pretty lucky so far not to hit any major snags in my KSing. I'm planning a pledge for Maelstrom's Edge too, just a bit worried that it seems quite pricey at present for what you get.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 18:35:46


Post by: JohnHwangDD


From a business POV, I agree with KS as ideal for the minis games niche. As a game manufacturer, it's really hard to estimate demand, whether you'll get $250k or $1.2M. If you plan on $250k sales, you leave a ton of money on the table by not having the product to full the extra $1M while the game is hot. If you plan on $1.2M, but the market isn't there, you're bankrupt. As a VC, you'd never invest in such a risky proposition. Matching demand with funding, on what amounts to produce-on-demand is a genius fit for minis games.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 19:31:53


Post by: Thraxas Of Turai


I have stopped backing Kickstarter projects, initially I backed the a couple via from Mantic namely Kings of War 1 and Deadzone.

Both were delivered in a timely manner, especially in the world of kickstarter. However the majority of the quality from the fantasy KS was terrible in terms of sculpts and materials. Resin plastic is a big no-no for me, yes it is cheap but the mould lines just kill it for me.I was actually far more pleased with Deadzone in terms of miniatures and the game.

I think what has turned me off them is you pay $XXX up front and wait anywhere from 6 months to 2/3+ years for a product of unknown quality to turn up. I just prefer to spend my hobby dollar on a product I can buy direct in my FLGS or order online and have within a week, and I am far more certain of what I am getting.

Obviously this means that some new games and ideas may not get funded but then again there is no certainty that any game will have a community to play it in. Take Sedition Wars as an example, I assume the player base for that is miniscule? Ultimately backers of Sedition Wars are left with a product that most people were unhappy with and with no-one to play against.

That said if a truly ground breaking game or deal comes along...I may just have to back it.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 19:48:28


Post by: durecellrabbit


 carlos13th wrote:
O-umajirushi: 17th Century Samurai Heraldry book. Very nice PDF received.


Thanks for mentioning this, I've not heard about it before. Will make a good addition to my Samurai reference material.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 20:00:00


Post by: carlos13th


 durecellrabbit wrote:
 carlos13th wrote:
O-umajirushi: 17th Century Samurai Heraldry book. Very nice PDF received.


Thanks for mentioning this, I've not heard about it before. Will make a good addition to my Samurai reference material.


Very welcome. Yeah with that book and the steel fist kickstarter its clear I like Samurai.

Do you have a thread with your samurai stuff in it? Love to see other samurai.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 20:18:08


Post by: durecellrabbit


 carlos13th wrote:
Very welcome. Yeah with that book and the steel fist kickstarter its clear I like Samurai.

Do you have a thread with your samurai stuff in it? Love to see other samurai.


I've not started painting mine yet , hope to start this month.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 20:25:08


Post by: carlos13th


Please share when you do. I really need to crack on with mine. Been collecting them for years but hardly done any painting. That said ive nearly finished a ronin buntai which will end up in my hobby blog soon


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 20:33:30


Post by: Eilif


For the past 3 years I've I backed 3-5 projects a year, most averaging around $50 or less.

Haven't been burned and have always been pleased with the results. I'll probably continue to participate athe same as long as projects by reputable entities arise that present the kind of great bargains.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/05/02 21:09:21


Post by: timetowaste85


Are there any decent looking action RPG video games going right now? Something like Diablo or Champions of Norrath style? I could kill for something like that. Bonus points if it's on iOS.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/09 05:57:26


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Wow, Zombicide 4 looks really nice, better, in fact, than the modern stuff. The heroes are far more characterful than what I had expected, and the monsters are amazing.

But then, I already have 2 sets of Zombicide that I hardly play. Probably best not to drop another $100+ on this.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 19:05:03


Post by: Sinful Hero


https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/1400234689

Too lazy to list them all, and plum on a mobile right now, so there's just a link to my profile.

I've(and my wife) have been satisfied with the kickstarters we've backed for the most part, with the exception of I Fight Dragons(late, band almost broke up, meh rewards), Felic knights which was delayed and the PVC didn't take well to the faction I selected(plus a few other hangups with the delivery of my pledge), and Fubar(mostly just me, I was dissatisfied with what I received in terms of quality.

The biggest change I've done is I've been waiting until the 48 hour notice before I back. A year ago I would hop right in at the beginning(although that may have a lot to do with early birds). My spending has stayed about the same.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 19:33:35


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Wife? So the panties aren't for you?

Was Tanto Cuore for you, or for here? pervert.

How's Mecha Front, rules-wise?
____

I'm just ribbing you - I know KS does things besides miniatures boardgames.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 20:40:28


Post by: Sinful Hero


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Wife? So the panties aren't for you?

Was Tanto Cuore for you, or for here? pervert.

How's Mecha Front, rules-wise?
____

I'm just ribbing you - I know KS does things besides miniatures boardgames.

TBH I'm waiting on the rules to be finalized before I bother looking too deeply at them. I hear good things though when I bother to browse the forums. The Mecha are awesome.

As for what belongs to who regarding Tanto Cuore and the panties, I'll never tell.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 21:36:56


Post by: RiTides


Given Zombicide's success, I think a lot of people are fibbing with the poll results in this thread (I voted holding steady, for the record, although the dollar amount I've been able to put towards campaigns has gone down a bit even if I'm not backing less of them total).


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 22:07:45


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I dunno. I think it's entirely possible that CMoN is getting more money out of a shrinking pie.

Zombicide 4: Black Plague will get a lot of money, because CMoN has a solid track record delivering Zombicide, and the base buy-in is only $100. But that's just one thing.

If you go back to 2013/2014, a lot of less solid KS were launched to big dollars and shaky delivery. In 2015, I think backers are somewhat more reluctant to "gamble", Conan excepted. Look at MEdge - if that had launched back in 2013, I think it would have pulled a *lot* more funding.

IMO, that's a healthy thing that backers are looking at KS with a little more skepticism, and funneling more dollars toward companies with a track record vs random stuff.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 23:02:54


Post by: DaveC


I can't remember what I voted now but I appear to be holding steady for projects backed halfway through the year. I backed 10 projects last year and 5 to date this year. But my average spend has increased this year. DZ:I, Myth and Zc:BP have(or will be) larger than average pledges I had some small ones last year to bring the average down.

My only other planned ones this year are The Others and Warpath if it happens in 2015. I'm sure I'll find 3 more to match last year


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 23:30:04


Post by: ImAGeek


I've only backed one thing on Kickstarter (not wargames related, it was the Goat Mug). I don't mind Kickstarter in general but I do feel there's a bit of an over saturation of tabletop gaming stuff on there. There are a couple I wish I'd backed though (Kingdom Death off the top of my head).


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/11 23:40:56


Post by: JohnHwangDD


My KS spend is definitely down for this year to date.

I'm still interested in the Others, and I've got a reminder set for Black Plague. I'll probably assess at that point.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/13 19:29:52


Post by: Charax


Definitely slowing down, most of the kickstarters (Gaming and otherwise) I've backed have been a disappointment:

Trollforged Assimilation Alien Host - my first big KS, backed at Queen l;evel when I just started my new job and met a cute girl there. I'm now one of the veterans of my department and Ive moved in with her. Don't at all care about this one

Dreamforge Games - Backed small, delivered ridiculously late. By the time my 15mm Mortis and claw were delivered I'd managed to get the 28mm one cheaper in a sale.

Heresy Miniatures - I have every confidence this will deliver, it's just taking a while. I can redeem my pledge almost any time I want

Things I decided not to back:

Maelstrom's Edge: Not inspired by the setting or the models, and the intrusive Dakka ads were the final nail

Infernal: Recommended to me by an old friend at Salute, but he's also involved in MEdge. Kinda doubt his judgement now


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/14 12:05:08


Post by: Dropbear Victim


I don't back kickstarters. Being Australian, the exchange rates and postage on most the things I'd like to buy would ruin me.
If some of the things I want ever make it to stores, which I highly doubt, I'll get them. Alot tho, seem to want to cut out the retail middlemen and sell via kickstarter only which disappoints me as flgs are where people who dont frequent kickstarter or forums like Dakka might actually find them.

Kickstarter exclusives also annoy the hell out of me. I view them as worst than day one DLC. For example, characters that are discontinued before the retail release of a game drives me mad. Its literally Day Zero OOP DLC.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/14 14:24:43


Post by: Grot 6


Kickstarter has been pretty much overrun at this point.

It's honestly not exactly what it started out as, and is progressively getting to the point where I expect the IRS to get involved in the future.

Backed... a lot.


Biggest beef I've had with KS is their ZERO accountability to the projects, or the creators.

I could tell you all I'm going to do a live action pin up game, and you can buy a live model for 1 million dollars, and she will come over to your house, and you pay me, and no one shows, and nothing happens. I walk away with 100 million and you just walk away butt hurt.


My second beef is at how everyone, creator and funders, get caught up in their own BS and the project morphs into a BS sandwich.

I understand the need to add on, stretch goals, and the general " Send me munnies!!!, but to outright lie, give false goals, and then later to eventually ignore the project and hope people go away, You have to throw the BS flag on the play at one point.

Easiest way to avoid delays, and BS? Stop overselling and promising more then you can deliver. State a project, have 2 or three good solidly planned goals, and call it a day.

Get the project out and done. 3 years to wait for a couple of figures is BS.


I have stopped backing KS projects at this point. My last couple of experiences pushed me away.

I want to fund, but they do not want to finish projects. Giving money away at this point for failure is not in the discussion.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/17 10:04:08


Post by: insaniak


 Grot 6 wrote:
I could tell you all I'm going to do a live action pin up game, and you can buy a live model for 1 million dollars, and she will come over to your house, and you pay me, and no one shows, and nothing happens. I walk away with 100 million and you just walk away butt hurt..

Until someone goes the legal route to recover their money, as ripped-off investors have been doing since long before Kickstarter was a thing. Your legal beef is with the fraudster, not the building that they were standing in when they sold you their scheme.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/17 11:58:28


Post by: ced1106


 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Because money!

As a bucket-o-mini's backer, KS is one of the best ways to get a huge number of mini's for armies, collecting, painting, etc. For non-boardgame miniatures, the alternative is either to pay full MSRP plus shipping from the manufacturer's website, or hunt and search for miniatures from various OLGS's and still pay shipping. With package deals like Reaper or even miniatures boardgames like Zombicide, you can get a bucketload of good mini's for a good value. Furthermore, as the KS market matures, you can find companies that won't delay your order by several months.

I don't back boardgames, video games, product design, etc. because I can get them retail at a good discount, or don't play or need them. I expect to do a fair amount of research into companies whose products I'm interested in, so if I'm lukewarm about a product or if it's not a good value, I'm not motivated to do the research I believe I need, so don't go through with the pledge. If a company is risky (eg. a first project by a new creator), I risk much less money than on a company with a track record, and assume the product will be delivered a year or so late. I also look for the pledge sweet spot, usually pledging less than the backer average (few add-ons).

I see waiting and delays as an irritation rather than a deal-breaker, so I'm very satisfied with the KS I've selected to back. Only one project may not deliver, I knew it was risky, so I only put $25 into it.


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 Grot 6 wrote:
Biggest beef I've had with KS is their ZERO accountability to the projects, or the creators.


That's why you do your research. It's still riskier than retail, but if it's a creator's first project, and you can't find a history of them delivering product at a retail level, either don't back them, or don't risk much money.

If it's too good to be true, and you don't think a creator can fulfill the project, skip it. It's tempting, but you'll find another project to spend your money on.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/17 12:19:47


Post by: AndrewGPaul


I got carried away at the beginning, and since then, nothing's tempted me enough.

I can see how the progress of the JDMG Kickstarter could annoy some backers. Personally, while I'm still waiting for a couple of things (Pat Wagon, ABC Warriors, biker gang), I'm already ahead of the game; I've got more than my money's worth, including a few items that weren't originally part of the pledge.

I knew I'd never get to play Ogre; I just wanted a big shiny thing.

Sedition Wars, Relic Knights and Arena Rex simply took too long; by the time they arrived, no-one was interested in playing, and the actual quality of a lot of the miniatures in the first two were short of what was expected. At least Studio McVey still sells the resin models that inspired the game; last I checked, all the metal and resin Relic Knights models from Soda Pop have been replaced by the plastics.

I was most pleased with the Indiegogo campaigns from Freebooter MIniatures and Zenit MIniatures; I think that's because they weren't so ambitious, so they didn't spiral out of control.

I'm still waiting for the Wargods of Olympus minis; I chose one of the factions that would be produced later, unfortunately; if I'd chosen a different faction I might have my stuff by now.

Ultimately, I got tired of the massive lead times. Now, I'll just wait until the products are properly for sale and buy 'em then.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/06/17 13:05:38


Post by: migooo


KD - nothing yet
CMON rum and bones - refunded due to the poor quality of sculpting

RH 1 - nothing
RH2 - nothing yet

I have some RPG stuff that was sent but it's basically been late

Indiegogo

willy miniatures - Amazon, - sent within 2 weeks of providing details

Willy minis - goblin - sent within a week of the campaign ending

Willy minis - vampire - sent during the campaign.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/07/13 20:45:22


Post by: JohnHwangDD


In the next few months, it looks like I'll receive:
- Super Dungeon Explore : Forgotten King wave 2/2 (Jul)
- Journey : Wrath of Demons wave 1/2 (Sep?)
- Kingdom Death : Monster wave 1/2 (Sep?)
- Blood Rage wave 1/2 (Sep)

If all goes well, KD:M and BR waves 2/2 could ship this year, closing out both projects.

While there are still interesting projects out there, with all of the stuff coming, on top of the stuff I have, I'm leaning even more toward not adding to the pile.


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BeAfraid wrote:
For what it is worth, Entreprenuerial and Venture Capitalist professional Journals rate Kickstarter, overall, as being overrated.

They say that for known companies funding vanity or boutique projects, it can hardly be beat (which is what Game Companies are).

But for unknown ventures, less than 18% of all Campaigns get funding, and a HUGE proportions of those never deceiver (over 80%) on their claimed investments.

So... Gaming is well ahead of the curve, and Kickstarter seems tailor made for this sort of venture (what Enterprise and Ventue Capitalists term "Boutique" industries, catering to hobbyists and collectors).

For the gaming industry, though... It is likely that KS is all most will ever need.

MB


For those who haven't seen the article, this is a good read. In particular, I liked the take from the Warton prof:

"Mollick takes the opposite stance. "I'm impressed so many things get delivered at all," he told Ars.

While Kickstarter projects' delivery rate seems unreliable, it's significantly better than businesses that operate from venture funding. When investors take on new products or businesses, they are operating on the idea that maybe one in ten will be a big hit, a couple will be modest successes, and the rest will fail, Mollick tells Ars. In that light, the delivery rate of Kickstarter projects is significantly higher if any portion of the delayed projects end up delivering."

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/worth-the-wait-inside-kickstarters-world-of-delays/


I'm of largely similar mind. I am always delighted when things start to deliver, because it means my money wasn't stolen or wasted. By the end of this year, I could potentially realize 90+% of my dollar spend delivered, 90+% of it meeting (or exceeding) original expectations. If that happens, it will have completely validated Kickstarter for me.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/08/09 07:50:01


Post by: JohnHwangDD


A few weeks passed and things are arriving:
- SDE:FK wave 2 arrived on July 15,
- J:WoD wave 1 arrived on Aug 9

A couple other KS are prepping for initial delivery:
- KD:M wave 1 is on the water for potential Sep/Oct shipment, with wave 2 looking late Q4;
- Blood Rage is kitting prior to putting things on boats next month, so Oct delivery is likely.

Assuming KD:M 1 & BR deliver, my situation will be like this:
- Ogre DE stretch goals,
- Robotech wave 2,
- Journey wave 2,
- Kingdom Death wave 2
- Conan

With all of the stuff arriving ad inbound, I passed on Ninja All Stars and Zombicide BP, ignoring Bones 3 entirely. With KD:M finally delivering and giant Monsters queued up, I'm even cooling on the Others.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/08/09 10:38:31


Post by: carlos13th


The steel fist kickstarter just arrived for me which is nice.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/08/09 11:03:33


Post by: BrookM


Still waiting on Kingdom Death myself, plus I caved in and pledged $112 for the Reaper Bones 3 KS.

I think the second Bombshell kickstarter is happening later this year as well, so if the sculpts aren't as mediocre as some of the more recent releases, I will most certainly pledge.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/08/09 11:34:47


Post by: -Loki-


I've never backed. The only one I've regretted is KD: M.

The only ones I'm looking at backing in the future is any Modiphius do for Infinity RPG supplements, and possibly Antenociti if he does another for the Infinity dropships.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/08/09 12:21:27


Post by: Stormwall


I've backed the following:

Modcube. (Ritides cool project.)
Maelstrom's Edge. (By our lovely Dakka hosts.)
X-Terra Space Force. (Titan-Forge...)

I don't regret backing any of them but, the last one worries me a bit.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/08/11 20:49:54


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 -Loki- wrote:
I've never backed. The only one I've regretted is KD: M.


KD:M had a very extended gestation (KS opened Nov. 2012, delivery likely completes 3 years later Nov. 2015), but at least they're delivering (boats on the water!). I'm pretty psyched to receive the game in a month or two, with the expansions not too many months thereafter.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/08 05:29:17


Post by: JohnHwangDD


It occured to me that I have basically sold or shelved basically every CMoN thing I've pledged for:
- SedWars? Shelved, as it's really hard to get a good price...
- Relic Knights? All sold, aside from a couple RKs and the SDE items.
- Zombicide 2? All sold.
- Zombicide 3? Only kept Rue Morgue base game & dice.
- Blood Rage? All Sold.
CMoN's "100 things for $100" just don't draw me as before, and neither Black Plague nor the Others were backed.

I'm still backing SDE, just not as strongly as I might have in previous years.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/08 06:25:08


Post by: FeindusMaximus


Have only backed 2. FLGs Phatmat which arrived on time and was great quality and now Dropfleet Commander: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hawkwargames/dropfleet-commander.
No worries with DFC, HWGs is well established and I like DZC. All other KS I've looked at, I'm just not interested in. Friend of mine did Robotech, and it is C+ game at best, plus the miniatures are not that good.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/08 07:10:05


Post by: coldgaming


I'm glad Kickstarter exists but I doubt I will ever back anything on it. Just not for me. Prefer established companies.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/08 08:35:54


Post by: Silent Puffin?


I am quite selective with the projects I back. So far I have only backed games (Wasteland 2, Torment, The Long Dark, That Which Sleeps, The Mandate and Hard West).

Delays and the like are inevitable but all these projects have released, will be released in the next couple of months or are posting regular progress updates. I think the longest delay from that list is The Mandate with an 18 month or so delay but the game should be much better after an additional 18 months of development so meh.

I was going to back the Panzerfauste KS but the Dropfleet commander KS took away my little men money for the month. I have complete faith in Hawk so this should be another successful KS in my eyes.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/08 09:23:30


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 Trondheim wrote:
Why anyone is willing to just throw money at these tings is beyound me.


Because even with the cofunding of some creators things like this would not easily be seeing the light of day :-)

Spoiler:



Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/08 22:39:45


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It occured to me that I have basically sold or shelved basically every CMoN thing I've pledged for:
- SedWars? Shelved, as it's really hard to get a good price...
- Relic Knights? All sold, aside from a couple RKs and the SDE items.
- Zombicide 2? All sold.
- Zombicide 3? Only kept Rue Morgue base game & dice.
- Blood Rage? All Sold.
CMoN's "100 things for $100" just don't draw me as before, and neither Black Plague nor the Others were backed.

I'm still backing SDE, just not as strongly as I might have in previous years.


Oops. I was planning to buy some of your Sedition Wars minis, but forgot to bring it up when we played AoS. Somehow, Sedition Wars just doesn't pop up into my daily thoughts, so I never remember about it. I'd still like to get the mini drones and headcrabs, and maybe some of the four legged strain, if I can just remember. When are you in HB next, er... after Black Friday? (That's my spend day.)

Anyway, I haven't sold most of my KS minis, but I have shelved a lot of them. Mantic products are highly over-represented in both categories. I suspect the Medge Epirians will find a nice place to rest between my Enforcers and Basileans. I haven't even assembled all of my Dreamforge minis. Not sure I need to pledge for any more HIPS 28mm sci fi dudes ever again.

My Bones minis have been very useful for teaching relatives how to paint. Just yesterday, my son painted up some of the Bones 2 minis (painted as in slathered with paint). I can't wait for the CAV stuff to hit retail.


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 FeindusMaximus wrote:
Have only backed 2. FLGs Phatmat which arrived on time and was great quality and now Dropfleet Commander: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hawkwargames/dropfleet-commander.
No worries with DFC, HWGs is well established and I like DZC. All other KS I've looked at, I'm just not interested in. Friend of mine did Robotech, and it is C+ game at best, plus the miniatures are not that good.


Oh man, I forgot about Robotech. I gave away some of those minis as a random act of cruelty. The Zentraedi minis turned out pretty well, but the RDF minis are more annoying to assemble than enjoyable and the end result often isn't worth it, for me. But the bits are useful! Sadly, I mostly pledged at the Battlecry level (or whatever the damn sweet spot was called) for the bonus minis that should have arrived in Wave 2...


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/08 23:36:36


Post by: infinite_array


Backed the following games:
Boss Monster - played a couple times, sold for a huge profit
Warmachine: Tactics - never played
You Need These Dice - tossed in the closet, as the result was terrible
Big Box Terrain - useful for al the skirmish games I play
Open Combat - haven't received
Airborne Commander - haven't received
Lord of the Dead - haven't played, but it was only $8 for the game
Delta Green RPG - just finished
DCC RPG - not finished yet

I've tended to avoid all the miniature intensive kickstarters, although I'll go in for rules like Open Combat that let me use the miniatures I already have.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/09 20:03:37


Post by: Buttery Commissar


 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I've stopped backing. Why? These are the game or nerdy things I backed for:
Cthulhu Wars - Cultist - Early Bird 1 - Estimated delivery: Dec 2013 - We got the core game late, and I backed for things like shirts, dice, tokens, etc. that I no longer even care about.
Goblins: Alternate Realities - Goblin War Camp Adventurers: Core Game - Estimated delivery: Dec 2013 - Game studio ran off with the money raised, leaving the artist SOL.
The Evil Ponies - Miniature ponies for table-top gaming - DOCTOR PONES - Estimated delivery: Aug 2014 - guy went bankrupt and still delivered. I'm so impressed it's untrue.
There's also Deluxe Tunnels and Trolls - due in May 2013 - I got my pledge because I paid for artwork, but the book is yet unfinished. the crew behind it have been in full contact the entire time.


** Piece de resistance **
ALAS VEGAS: an RPG of bad memories, bad luck & bad blood - LIMITED-EDITION HARDCOVER. - Estimated delivery: Jun 2013
Still supposedly happening, previews promised for various Gen Cons, no PDFs, sporadic updates. Handled by James Wallis, who was part of the recent Paranoia RPG relaunch whilst this is still unresolved.


Edited the above quote from April to show what I'm still missing.
Click the Alas Vegas and check out the comment section for a lesson in a crowd turning on someone.
James is a nice guy. But he fethed up hard.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/09 20:21:18


Post by: zedmeister


Burnout? A little I suppose. Definitely don't get as excited over new Kickstarters as I once did. Here's my admittedly small hall of shame:

Sedition Wars: All received. Didn't have the problems most others have as I didn't order any of the Wave 2 extras baring the THI suit. Nice looking models, paint up really nicely, but the material is godawful. Currently in two minds whether to back the rumoured re-boot. Depends on quality, material and amount. I don't want another massive pile of restic and bleeding thumbs.
Darklands Kickstarters: I've backed all of them and its nice to get a continual stream of resin through the post (seems every 2-3 months I get another pile!). Occasional delays, though nothing to complain about and nothing like other Kickstarters. Though, to be honest, I'm suffering a little burn out due to the rate of new Kickstarters they put out (3-4 a year) mainly due to the fact that I haven't got the spending power I once had. Still, I've got a pile of gorgeous models to go through and reducing the amount I spend on future ones allows me to catch up. Really looking forward to the metals they're producing at present. Game universe and miniature quality are both incredible though.
Kingdom Death: Monster: Mostly received. I backed at the original black friday level, pulled out and ended up joining after the Kickstarter Still, the stuff is gorgeous, but, it's just sat here, unused. I can't find the motivation to do anything about it at present.
Zombicide Season 3: All received and shoved in a cupboard a few days after I got it all. Still in its shrink wrap. Regretted pledging for this.
Fallen Frontiers: Late backer (was part of the orignal cancelled campaign but couldn't back the reboot). Lovely looking models but have since cancelled my pledge. I came to the decision that I have enough game systems and models to paint on my plate for now.
Dropfleet Commander: Ongoing. This I will back. I'm already collecting several Dropzone Commander armies and Andy Chambers writing a new space game? God yes! Watching the gameplay reminds me of BFG, but in all the right ways. Looking forward to this one.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/10 18:02:24


Post by: Talys


I am not much of a Kickstarter guy for two reasons:

1) I like to know that the companies I'm investing my time in are already well-funded and established, and that they're going to be around years and decades from now producing stuff for the same setting. I don't like trying out new things from new companies, because if it doesn't work out, I end up having invested hundreds of hours in a dead-end environment.

2) I very rarely buy models without holding the physical product inches from my nose. About the only models I've ever bought on the Internet are Forge World models (and I don't buy a lot of those) and Secret Weapon Miniatures bases. Everything else, if a local shop can't bring in and have me inspect, I don't buy.

So, Kickstarter is just not for me, as much as I admire the entrepreneurism of it all


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/10 19:14:08


Post by: JohnHwangDD


It's funny on 1 - I can decide relatively quickly whether I like something. For example, having played Prison Outbreak and then getting Rue Morgue, it was clear to me after a casual reading of the rules and a quick inspection of the tiles, that I liked Rue Morgue better. If like it, I have no problem spending dozens-hundreds of hours on it. Once I have it, I still have it, whether the company still exists or not.

For me, it's parking & spending $100+ for the privilege of trying something that I might not really like. That's what's been holding me back lately.

I've bought models and minis over the web, and so far, the Dreamforge Leviathan Crusader is just the awesomest model I've bought. Crazy cool. And it was a Kickstarter to boot. :thuumbsup:

For me, the really exceptional Kickstarters (Dreamforge, Kingdom Death, Journey) are the proof that the KS concept works. Now, if only these owner-creators could be a bit tighter on the management & excecution part...


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/10 20:33:07


Post by: ced1106


 Talys wrote:
1) I like to know that the companies I'm investing my time in are already well-funded and established, and that they're going to be around years and decades from now producing stuff for the same setting. I don't like trying out new things from new companies, because if it doesn't work out, I end up having invested hundreds of hours in a dead-end environment.

2) I very rarely buy models without holding the physical product inches from my nose. About the only models I've ever bought on the Internet are Forge World models (and I don't buy a lot of those) and Secret Weapon Miniatures bases. Everything else, if a local shop can't bring in and have me inspect, I don't buy.


Good points!

1. You'll note that there aren't any new CCGs on KS. A member of TMP noted that KS was not as good as retail for funding "lifestyle" games (eg. ccgs, miniature skirmish games) and I agree. While Mantic's been funding on KS, they were selling through retail before KS, so would be considered established, not a new company. OTOH, boardgames with miniatures (eg. most CMON games) aren't lifestyle games, so work well on KS.

2. Definitely a good use of time and money, especially if you paint beyond tabletop quality.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/10 21:04:59


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Yeah. KS works nearly perfect for minis board games - high capital cost, unknown demand, self-contained.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/10 21:26:58


Post by: Hulksmash


I'm admittedly fairly burnt out on KS. Especially people who seem to think I should praise a company for taking my money upfront several months to years in advance for little to no return on retail.

That said I've backed the following:

Bones II & III for the scenery stuff. Very happy with it.
Zombicide Rue Morge (all sold off except the game itself)
Zombicide Black Plague (like this idea a lot more than modern zombie games)
Sedition Wars (Sold enough to get my money back on everything I bought but have 3 unopened boxes in my garage)
Kingdom Death (Sold base survivor pledge for a massive mark up and will happily build my plastic pin up and sell any extra expansion when they come in.)
Dreamforge (Built my big and one small leviathan for 40k)
Deadzone 1 (terrain only)
Deadzone: Infestation (plastic forge fathers)
Warpath for $1 (not sure I'm going to buy anything more)
Mercs (will probably sell)
Wrath of Kings (went in big and love it. Sold 1 of 5 factions and got my money back on my purchase)

Overall I just don't see me going huge on these things anymore. I found I've sold off the vast majority. It's the wait time and finding someone to play on a lot of them. The rest is the amount of work that goes into them. I'm down to pledging for 2 reasons;

1) It's something I'm pumped about and know I will be 6 months from now.

2) It's something I know I can resell at a decent return on investment 6 months to a year from now.

Sometimes it's a combination (like DZC if it hits 500k) but more and more I'm finding I'm pulling back on KS in general.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/10 21:52:36


Post by: JohnHwangDD


@Hulksmash - I'm agreed on #1 - if I'm hot on it, and can see myself playing it months, years from now, sure.

On #2, I think maybe the KS exclusives market has peaked. S3 didn't fetch anywhere near what S2 did, what with the extended Late Pledge / open Pledge Manager stuff taking a huge bite out of that market.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/11 00:41:15


Post by: Hulksmash


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
@Hulksmash - I'm agreed on #1 - if I'm hot on it, and can see myself playing it months, years from now, sure.

On #2, I think maybe the KS exclusives market has peaked. S3 didn't fetch anywhere near what S2 did, what with the extended Late Pledge / open Pledge Manager stuff taking a huge bite out of that market.


Meh, I've found that as long as I'm not looking to make a 400% profit there is still a market for exclusives. I look to be able to pay for most of my purchases and maybe make a little extra. Season 1 zombicide and kingdom death profit margins don't exist anymore


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/11 00:51:55


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I don't need to get 3x or 4x like S1 and KD:M - I'd have been satisfied with a solid 2x. It's just that selling S3 made it look like it's kinda hard to get a 2x. I mean, sure, you can get your money back, but that kinda defeats the point.

I was looking at maybe double pledging Zc Black Plague, but the sheer number of backers left me unsure I'd have been able to double up on the sale copy (so that I net a "free" game); that's why I passed on BP.

And besides, I wasn't really going into any of those games with the notion to resell - the original thought was that I wanted to play them. Once I started thinking about what I really wanted to play, it was nice that I could get some good money back. But it's not like I really needed the money or wanted to sink $100s into speculative stock as a business.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/11 04:52:27


Post by: AlexHolker


Studio McVey's Sedition Wars - Sweet spot + terrain set. My first Kickstarter, back when I thought that what Studio McVey was offering was good enough. It wasn't.

Raging Heroes' TGG - Another disappointment. I was hoping for at least one plastic kit per faction instead of nothing but worse-than-GW prices, but I still spent $15 on a single pack of infantry to see how they did. The product was fine, but the mishandling of the Kickstarter ensures that the only way Raging Heroes will ever sell me anything is to get out of the "boutique" rut and start working in HIPS like a real company.

Impact Miniatures' Trollcast Blood Bowl teams - I bought a team of Amazons, and I was happy with the result.

Marauder Inc's Marauder Task Force: Valkyries - I'm waiting for retail because the pledge levels sucked, but chances are good that I'll buy a fire team next year.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/11 14:15:24


Post by: Hulksmash


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I don't need to get 3x or 4x like S1 and KD:M - I'd have been satisfied with a solid 2x. It's just that selling S3 made it look like it's kinda hard to get a 2x. I mean, sure, you can get your money back, but that kinda defeats the point.

I was looking at maybe double pledging Zc Black Plague, but the sheer number of backers left me unsure I'd have been able to double up on the sale copy (so that I net a "free" game); that's why I passed on BP.

And besides, I wasn't really going into any of those games with the notion to resell - the original thought was that I wanted to play them. Once I started thinking about what I really wanted to play, it was nice that I could get some good money back. But it's not like I really needed the money or wanted to sink $100s into speculative stock as a business.


Yeah, not as a business but I like basically getting a game for free when I'm done with things. Which isn't to hard to manage really when all is said and done.

That said I don't go in on many KS's anymore. I'll do the expansions for Zombicide: Black Plague because I like the idea and might play it some time over the years. Other than that I'll go in on established companies or things that if my excitement wanes on them I can net a slight profit on resale. Which means that generally Mantic is out


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/11 18:23:12


Post by: wolf13


I really want some of the raging heros elf stuff from the kickstarter, but I can't bring myself to put money in and just hope after reading some of these threads.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/11/11 18:42:42


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 Hulksmash wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
And besides, I wasn't really going into any of those games with the notion to resell - the original thought was that I wanted to play them. Once I started thinking about what I really wanted to play, it was nice that I could get some good money back. But it's not like I really needed the money or wanted to sink $100s into speculative stock as a business.


Yeah, not as a business but I like basically getting a game for free when I'm done with things. Which isn't to hard to manage really when all is said and done.

That said I don't go in on many KS's anymore. I'll do the expansions for Zombicide: Black Plague because I like the idea and might play it some time over the years. Other than that I'll go in on established companies or things that if my excitement wanes on them I can net a slight profit on resale. Which means that generally Mantic is out


Yup.

For me, it started to be a question of storage, as my closet did overfloweth with "free" stuff that I wasn't hot on. Selling it freed up the space, mentally and physically. The small profit was a nice plus.

Black Plague is a great set, no doubt. I just wasn't feeling it.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/12/16 13:39:32


Post by: DaveC


Well I'm done with KS for 2015 so I thought I'd do an end of year review

No. Backed 2014 = 10
No. Backed 2015 = 9
Spend increase or decrease year on year = increased
150% of prior years figure largely due to Zombicide Black Plague, Warpath and Deadzone Infestation

So down on number of projects backed (just) but up on spend

Total projects backed 43 (excluding projects that failed to fund)
No. still outstanding in full = 12 (of which 5 are late)
No. partially outstanding = 2 (both late)
No. failed = 0 I guess I have been lucky in that regard but I still have HQ25, AvP and Trollforged to deliver I don't foresee any failing but they will drag on.

Where to for 2016? At this point storage space is becoming an issue I may off load some stuff to clear space I'm going to try to limit myself to 5 or less KS next year.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2015/12/16 16:15:53


Post by: JohnHwangDD


2015 = 3 backed
- Conan -- 50% split
- Blood Rage -- base pledge, sold for profit
- Super Dungeon Explore : Legends -- 50% split
$100 net spent

2014 = 3 backed
- Zombicide Season 3 : Rue Morgue -- sold exclusives for profit
- 2x Super Dungeon Explore : Forgotten King -- sold one for profit
$80 net spent

Grand Totals
2 undelivered (Conan & SDE:Legends)
4 partially delivered (Ogre, KD:Monster, Robotech, Journey)
9 fully-delivered
$ 640 net spent

For 2016, I'll consider boutique gaming or it'll have to be an amazing "must have" of some sort (a la Conan), but that's it.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/09 07:53:48


Post by: JohnHwangDD


It's roughly 3 months later, and Kingdom Death has delivered my expansions! I'm basically good aside from some fix-ups.

Running totals:
2 undelivered (Conan & SDE:Legends)
3 partially delivered (Ogre, Robotech, Journey)
10 fully-delivered
$ 640 net spent

Hopefully, Conan delivers 1H 2016, and Journey finishes up. That'd be great, as Ogre and Robotech are just dragging...
____

4/6 update
- KD:M fixes are squared away, so that is finally done!
- Conan delays to Q4, 2016
- CMoN's Massive Darkness has my interest.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/09 08:34:27


Post by: Buttery Commissar


I'm still two down on my list:
Alas Vegas (ETA June 2013)
Goblins: Alternate realities (Company stole the money and ran)

Don't think I'll ever get those.

Recently backed Boogie Dice and am unreasonably excited.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/09 11:03:52


Post by: DaveC


Backed in 2016 to date 0 and none on the horizon that are of interest to me. I have cut out impulse buys.

Backed to date 43

Outstanding in full 10 of which 5 are late/very late. Oldest Trollforged being 2 years 9 months overdue at this stage Ed is doing the minimum to keep it going I still think it will deliver but when is anyone's guess. AvP and HQ25 enough said.

I expect 3 to be delivered in full by the end of April and 1 in part (Prodos )

Outstanding in part 5 - I doubt Maki will ever deliver the few bits that are still to be done they have mentioned store credit a few times but are yet to deliver on that as well and Journey is going to be a long time coming,


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/09 12:08:45


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Went in on:
Modcube - very very happy with this product.
Bones 2 + 3 - no complaints, plenty of faith in 3.

So very nearly went in, in a really big way on:
Raging Heroes TGG - but I remembered the original minis they released and, after paying for them, receiving them so late I had entirely forgotten about them and was boggled by a packaged from France arriving at my door, 7 months down the line, and that was straight retail.

Creature Caster - Some of those really tempted me, I've seen the previous incarnation company's work before and it's nice stuff, my finger actually hovered over the button to pledge big and then, for no reason, I decided to just hold off and damn I am glad I did, what a cluster!

Prodos Aliens vs Predator - nearly... but Jesus H what a mess.

Overall feelings. Not 'burnt out', as I haven't spent big tbh, having several near misses and then watching them blossom into gigantic gakbombs, I would say instead I'm 'really bloody wary' instead and far more likely to just wait for something to come out retail.

Also GW and especially FW is back on a roll from where I'm sitting, so they'll be getting more of my money again. With Specialist Games on the horizon, I'm going to start putting some cash away to go big on it. All of it...



Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/09 13:33:35


Post by: carlos13th


I am OK with kickstarter but choosy about what I back.

Over the past few years I have backed the following

Deadzone. Arrived close to on time but with dissapointing wuality

Warmachibe tactics. Delivered but I have only played the game once since as it was dissapointing.

Steel fist: backed their samurai twice. One arrived on time one a month or so late both times I was left impressed.

Zombicide black plauge: running late I beleive but has been part delivered and I am happy so far.

Human interface nakumura tower: running a few months late but on track for delivery soon. Constant communication makes me less concerned about the delay.

Museam miniatures samurai: recently backed not sure when it should be delivered.

Battle systems urban terrain: another we will see.

For the most part kickstarter has been positive from me.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/09 13:35:57


Post by: Nostromodamus


I swore I wouldn't back anything this year.

I am now backing 3, with 2 more in the pipeline...


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/09 15:41:24


Post by: Krinsath


Since the original post, I've only added Dropfleet Commander and WarPath.

Looking at my backer history the only projects outstanding:

Kingdom Death:Monster - Mostly done, need a set of legs for Spidicules and the Lantern Festival to wrap that one up.
DeadZone: Infestation - 2 months late on shipping, but it seems to be rolling towards fullfilment starting
Dropfleet Commander - Pledge Manager still open, fulfillment not scheduled for another three months
WarPath - Pledge Manager still open, not slated to fulfill for six months

Even allowing for the "standard" slip of 1-2 quarters, it's somewhat strange to think that I might actually have all my KS projects wrapped up this time next year and most completed within a reasonable tolerance of "good"; I've not had any out-and-out duds really. I've also not seen any "oooo! neat!" projects that I felt I should back in the interim, though if DFG and KD ever return I might go in for one of them. I'm skeptical that either of them are looking to dive in anytime in the immediate future though.

One thing I have noticed as I wander through the threads on KS projects: Established companies are who they are and giving them cash up-front will not change this. I'm not sure I've seen a project where a company has defied their past behavior over the course of a KS project. Usually the predictable problems based on the company's history repeat themselves in the KS; this makes doing your due diligence as a backer very important. Know who you're giving your money to and ask yourself if you're comfortable with the problems imposed by the worst news and views of the company you can find.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/13 20:25:43


Post by: Alpharius


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's roughly 3 months later, and Kingdom Death has delivered my expansions! I'm basically good aside from some fix-ups.

Running totals:
2 undelivered (Conan & SDE:Legends)
3 partially delivered (Ogre, Robotech, Journey)
10 fully-delivered
$ 640 net spent

Hopefully, Conan delivers 1H 2016, and Journey finishes up. That'd be great, as Ogre and Robotech are just dragging...


What does OGRE still owe the backers?


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/13 21:28:21


Post by: JohnHwangDD


SJG owes:
1. scenarios, that Steve claimed to have been working on during the campaign.
2. music, too.
Then there were the promises for new Car Wars edition, Ogre Expansion, Ogre Computer Game, and Ogre Miniatures Rules 2E...

As for things I might back, I'd throw more money at another KD KS.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/13 21:59:17


Post by: Alpharius


I'll admit to not really paying much attention to the OGRE KS once I received my gigantic box - has he even talked much about any of the pending stuff recently?


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/13 22:04:34


Post by: JohnHwangDD


There are/were occasional updates that suggested something may be happening with Scenarios and/or Music. There was a poll for a possible Expansion. Nothing came of any of this, as far as I'm aware.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/13 22:16:24


Post by: BrookM


As with others, most of my Kingdom Death stuff has arrived by now, except for the Lantern Festival and like many others, quite annoyingly, the wrong leg sprues for the Spidicules kit. Most incompetent sprue design indeed, bloody gakkers.

Aside from that, still waiting on..

- Bones III (should be August or so this year, no signs of it being delayed or running into any trouble thus far)

- Mantic's Warpath (should be September this year, but with Mantic being made up of 110% pure feth-up these days, not holding my breath on this arriving on time)

Also have the current projects running right now:

- Return to Colony 87: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/62661939/return-to-colony-87-28mm-sci-fi-civilians

- This is Not a Test: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/57306923/this-is-not-a-test-post-apocalyptic-skimirsh-ruleb

Though not sure if I can stick with both right now, with both Salute and a trip to Warhammer World little more than a month away.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/13 23:36:12


Post by: gunslingerpro


Looking back at my backer history, I've spent rather more than I thought. Red ones carry some regret. In roughly chronological order:

Tectonic Craft Studios Terrain- $25, delivered very late, and as far as I know, the latest kickstarter so far, as folks are still waiting on pledges 3.6 years later.
Deep Wars- $75, delivered, beautiful miniatures and rule book, haven't painted or played it, but it's always high on my project list.
Zombicide- $140, delivered, loved it, played a lot.
Sedition Wars- $200, delivered late, put it together, loved the miniatures, haven't painted or played the game. Despite the hate for this one, I still like it.
Bones I- $100, delivered, use the miniatures for NPCs/random dioramas. Lots left to paint/assemble
Kingdom Death- $148, 90% delivered. This is the crowning jewel of my kickstarter history. Added much more in pledge manager, lovely game, beautiful stuff.
Mutant Chronicles: Warzone Resurrection- ~$55, delivered late, love the miniatures and the game, have become really active in the community.
Zombicide Season 2 - $250, delivered, played a few times, mostly been stored. Lots of hype, not much excitement.
Warmachine Tactics- $210, delivered physical, digital rewards still in pipeline. Game was fun, miniatures/coins were main draw.
Symmetry's Junky Album- $15, delivered, on the list to highlight how little I use kickstarter for anything but gaming.
Infamy: Welcome to the Big Smoke- ~$76, delivered late, great little miniatures, basically what's holding me back from backing Twisted as they are very similar.
Battle Systems Fantasy Terrain- ~$220, delivered, decent stuff. A little underwhelming when using it for anything outside an RPG, which was my idea.
Alternative Civil War 1861- $46, 3 months delayed, projected another two at least. Okay miniatures, I like helping smaller companies for time to time. Their communication leaves a lot to be desired, but this wasn't a big money campaign.
Exploding Kittens- $35, delivered. Score of a lifetime, everyone I know loves this game and tries to buy my meowing KS only box.
Boss Monster: The Next Level- $32, delivered. Have yet to play it, but loved the first game.
Yooka Laylee- ~$20, due in seven months. A spiritual successor to Banjo Kazooie done by the original Rare team, on next gen consoles? Sold.
Bones 3- $185, due in six months. I backed it, but I think I forgot why. Something in there pulled me in, terrain maybe?
Scythe- $99, due in six months, looks likes it's going to be great. Went in for collectors edition.

Backed but pulled out or funding failed:
Critical Mass Games, 15MM Mercs- seemed cool, didn't have a use for them, so I bailed.
Bones II- Got an early bird, nothing drew my attention after all was said and done, pulled out with hours left.
Battle Systems Sci-Fi Terrain- tough time money wise, also didn't know how it would work for Infinity.
Alternative Civil War: 1861- their first try, failed to reach funding. Successfully funded the second time.
Great Gobbo Grab- a game made by some locals, lacked some polish but could have been excellent, played very well. Didn't fund.

All said and done, around 2k in pledges. I don't regret almost any of them, though I could've saved by waiting on a few going to retail (Sedition Wars), but saved a mint by kickstarting some (KD: Monster). So did I burn out? No, but I think I have quite a bit lest disposable income for this specific hobby (brewing, weddings, and tournament paintball all picked up the slack).

Lately, terrain has mostly been grabbing my attention, which is why I think Twisted is speaking to me.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/14 16:12:53


Post by: odinsgrandson


Relic Knights- I enjoy the game and minis, but I'm glad they're going back to resin

Reaper Bones 1, 2, 3- Great minis on the cheap- I love having the bin to go through for PCs, conversion bits and random stuff. The large monsters are especially nice

Super Dungeon Explore Forgotten King- Love me those chibis. This one was a couple months late, and in KS terms, that's on time.

Wrath of Kings- love the pigs, no interest in the game

Infamy Miniatures- Tesla was just too cool to pass up. Super nice minis (no interest in the game).

Ninja all Stars- I would love the minis without the game (just play them in SDE) but I like the game as well.

SDE Legends- campaign mode for Super Dungeon!!!

Widower's Wood- I'm treating it like Bones with IK specific minis, but I've tried out the game for one mission, and it was good.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/14 17:04:15


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Yeah, I nearly backed NAS for the minis, but I had kinda stopped buying minis for games I didn't intend to play.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/15 14:16:38


Post by: odinsgrandson


Totally see that one.

I honestly know that I won't play loads of different games- especially miniatures games. It is better for me to put more of my energy behind a few games and not go out and pick up everything that looks cool.



Actually, I started out backing NAS for just one clan box (because Sodapop allows you to back for add ons without getting the core game- and one clan box is all you need for the Super Dungeon crossover).

As the campaign went on, I got to read the rulebook (and liked it), and really loved more and more of the minis. So I backed it for the whole game.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/03/15 19:16:21


Post by: JohnHwangDD


As long as you like it, it's worth it!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/07/02 03:29:23


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I was tempted by Massive Darkness, but I just couldn't justify spending what would likely be $150 on something that wasn't boutique (KD:M / Journey) or unique (Conan) or expanding an existing game (SDE:Legends).

Ultimately, I closed out 1H 2016 without anything backed, which is fine.

That said, I'd probably back another Kingdom Death KS.

And I'm very interested in the Duchess Gaming Table!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/07/02 18:30:11


Post by: Alpharius


I'm going in large on Massive Darkness - it appears to be the Dungeon Crawler me and my group were looking/waiting for!

I'm still probably spending about the same on KS campaigns this year as last, but not taking many 'chances' on projects that might appear, for lack of a better term, 'iffy'.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/07/02 18:35:06


Post by: JohnHwangDD


If my group were interested in MD, I'd have backed.

With RRT, I learned my lesson about backing "iffy" KS, too!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/09/23 04:32:50


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I closed out 1H 2016 without anything backed, which is fine.

That said, I'd probably back another Kingdom Death KS.


With the KD:M KS closing in the next months, Adam announced another KS launching in November... Time for me to save those pennies!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/09/23 11:17:57


Post by: DaveC


3/4 of the way through the year and I've only backed 2 projects to date. Went all in on Massive Darkness but only got the rules update pledge for Dreadball so not much spent there.

I'll probably back Star-Saga and I'll have a look at KDM if there are updated rules for existing backers and new expansions/miniatures. Nothing else on the horizon of interest


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/09/23 12:09:42


Post by: BrookM


Looking back on my last post, not much has changed in the fulfilment department..

- Still waiting on the Lantern Festival from Kingdom Death to happen, along with other things like the artbook and proper building instructions.

Aside from that, still waiting on..

- Bones III, which was supposed to ship in August is now in the realms of the great big unknown..

- Mantic's Warpath should've been this month but Mantic pushed back a lot of stuff to some time next year..

- This is Not a Test has slipped slightly but should still be moderately on target, unlike the others mentioned above.

- Pledged to a new KS for the first time in ages: Astropolis, which will hopefully remain on target, which is December this year!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/09/23 13:27:27


Post by: str00dles1


Lets see, my list is...

Note, haven't gotten any of these yet.

Dropfleet commander - Waiting on this. Saw at Gencon, just as amazing looking there as the pics if not more. Hopefully will get in the coming few weeks.

Arcadia Quest Inferno - not backing the first one (and having to ebay to buy it all :( ) I backed this one heavily. 450$ heavily. But I loved the first one.

RONE - Sucker for post apoc, and they had a free trial of the game. Plus its a chard game so was cheaper then minis and loved the demo

Masmoraa - Maybe I'm a sucker for CMoN but figured if I got inferno, might aswell get this one and theres crossovers.

Rail Raiders - Chibi Space cowboys - YES! Plus poker dice is sweet.

Battle for Sularia - Loved the first game, this just expands, plus it being a card game is sweet.

Epic PVP Magic - Got the first one. Good game, fun multiplayer

Cretacea - Got just the PDF so cheapest KS ever. Basically I can buy dinos from Michaels and battle them on the table top. Childhood dreams come true


Thoughts - Personally I wish KS wasn't around. I know its helped some companies do great things, but the whole giving my money now to get a product in a year or two sucks. Its hard not to though as they usually give exclusives. I enjoyed the old days of hearing about a product coming "later X year" then looking forward and really excited for its release. Now a days its heavy excitement up front, then by the time I get the actual thing its either "huh? I ordered what?" or "oh yea, this game, ill get to it at some point."


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/11/08 18:26:48


Post by: JohnHwangDD


This November brings the first set of Kickstarters that just might see me open my wallet wide:
- Mythic Battles
- Ogre Miniatures
- Kingdom Death 2

I like the ideal of a classical Greek miniatures wargame very much, and it's only $120-ish.

I'm pretty invested in Ogre Miniatures, but the idea of pre-colored plastic vs metal Ogres is very compelling for $40-ish.

And then there's the elephant in the room. Or rather, the slavering, all-devouring nightmare that is Kingdom Death 2, which should see me buy the updated rulebook and possibly other plastic whatnots. Could be quite expensive, and we won't know anything until Black Friday weekend...


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/11/08 19:15:43


Post by: Stevefamine


Reaper Kickstarter was a great experience

I deeply regret not backing Kingdom Death.




Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/11/08 20:33:38


Post by: jreilly89


I have backed a couple, Friday the 13th the video game and Steve Lichman comics. That said, I got Lichman just fine, but I am still hesitant for Kickstarter games.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/11/08 21:00:13


Post by: DrNo172000


 agnosto wrote:
I'm not going to list the Kickstarters here that I've backed because I'd look like an addict or something; let's just say that my wife had to stage an intervention.


hahaha right there with you.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/11/08 22:04:46


Post by: Stormonu


I will not be going back to invest in through Kickstarter ever again, despite some initially good experiences. The delays and inability for KS to corral KS's that have gone off the rails have made risk-adverse, and I've decided I'd just rather wait until the item shows up at retail.

BACKED
-------------
Zombicide 2 - initial boxed set came early, rest slightly delayed (1 month)
Zombicide 3 - initial boxed set came early, rest slightly delayed (2 months)
28mm Power Armor Hardsuits - scam; was never going to deliver, publisher is bankrupt
Robotech RRT - whew buddy, where to start... Wave 1 was one year late, Wave 2 is at least 2 years late - really looking like it will never be delivered

PURCHASED AT RETAIL
----------------------------------
Aliens vs Predators - some backers are still waiting for their first wave of items
All Quiet On the Martian Front - publisher went bankrupt, some backers deliveries went incomplete; rights acquired by another company, but will not finish backers orders
Exploding Kittens - no idea about KS status

WAITING FOR RETAIL
--------------------------------
Conan


Kickstarter overload? @ 2016/11/08 22:52:50


Post by: JohnHwangDD


@Stormonu - FYI, my buddy backed Exploding Kittens. EK delivered exactly what he paid for within a reasonable amount of time; I call it a success. My sister ended up buying EK at retail, like you.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/14 02:29:32


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Closing out 2016:
- I sold Conan - it's just not the game for us;
- I backed Ogre Miniatures for 1 set; and
- I backed World of Smog for the base game.
It's a net zero spend there, so I don't feel bad at all.

OTOH, 2017 has my spend amped up big time. Kingdom Death 1.5 got a bunch in the campaign, and I'll be adding to the pile in the PM. Very spendy.

I'm also tracking Rising Suns for a potential skirmish game, as the minis are so nice. Rationally, I should run away from this.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/14 13:31:20


Post by: jreilly89


It's tough to say, but the only Kickstarter so far I've been "burned" by is the Friday the 13th game, although that's tough to say burned because they're obviously posting updates and keeping everyone aware. The biggest thing is it was supposed to release in October of last year, then March of this year, and now looks like it's on track for October of this year.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/14 13:42:48


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Only back the one - Bears vs Babies, from the same peeps that successfully delivered the rather wonderful 'Exploding Kittens'

Other than that, heard too many horror stories, and to be honest, I kind of object to established companies using Kickstarters - I've explained before I feel it should be for the little man to prove himself, not established companies to do away with R&D risks. But as ever, that's just my opinion and of no impact on anyone else


Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/14 18:08:26


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Other than that, heard too many horror stories, and to be honest, I kind of object to established companies using Kickstarters - I've explained before I feel it should be for the little man to prove himself, not established companies to do away with R&D risks.


I get that, the problem being that the little guys (e.g. Defiance) have a much higher failure rate than the established companies (e.g. CMoN). I object much more strongly to companies like RRT stealing my money and lying about it, than I do when I give my money to a big publishing house like CMoN. Also, those CMoN games have at least 80% of the R&D invested before they launch the KS - the KS is to recover those upfront costs and prepay the final editing, tooling and production costs. It's not like the (deservedly failed) GoA KS which which attempted to have backers cover R&D. Fact is, almost all creative houses need someone like CMoN to ride herd on them, to objectively manage things that creatives are bad with (i.e. money & schedules & delivery).


Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/15 21:28:54


Post by: kronk


2016 Kickstarter (just 1): Awakening Terrain ($12).

Still waiting for:

2015: Reaper Bones III: $167
2015: The Apocrypha Adventure Card Game: $107

KickStarters backed and received: 6 of 6.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/16 13:46:31


Post by: nekooni


I've so far been quite happy with my pledges, but looking at them and how much I've played them ... well, that's a lot of wasted money.

Maelstrom's Edge - $126, built the models, still waiting to be painted, never played.
Shadowstar Corsairs - $64, never played
Pillars of Eternity LotER Card Game - $64, never played
Divinity: Original Sin 2 - $30, hasn't been completed yet (is running late), but looking good.
Battletech - $85, still in development
Warpath - $80 for jetbikes and some troopers, arriived a bit late, still unassembled and unsure what to do with them
Dropfleet commander - £205 - arrived half a year late but still very happy with the models and the game, played a bit and waiting for others in my area to get their stuff built and painted.
Fleet Commander - €133, still waiting for delivery (looks like half a year late, too), not sure I'm going to play it.
Battlestations: Second Edition - $125, going to be late, not sure I'm going to play it.
TGG2 - $200, just arrived with a full year of delay, super happy and it turned out to fit with my plans for a 40k army extremely well since GW updated Celestine and her ladies in the meantime.

I'm still looking at KS projects but I've become very reluctant to back anything I'm not 100% sure I'll be able to use / play once it arrives here.
The basic idea still appeals to me, and I've always expected the projects to run late. I only got angry at Hawk Wargames (Dropfleet Commander) since they did not update the backers on the progress over long periods of time. Products have all been top-notch though.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/16 17:20:40


Post by: JohnHwangDD


nekooni wrote:
I've so far been quite happy with my pledges, but looking at them and how much I've played them ... well, that's a lot of wasted money.


That's what eBay is for!

Out of all the KS stuff I got, I've sold off something like 80%, only kept the stuff I really like. On net, I effectively got those KS items at an even deeper discount, so I'm totally OK with how this has turned out.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/03/16 18:15:19


Post by: BrookM


Again looking back on my last post, not much has changed in the fulfilment department..

- Bones III, which was supposed to ship around August last year but is well over target, though I have been told to not be so entitled about it and just shut the feth up already.

- Mantic's Warpath, still need my GCPS vehicles, though Mantic is being a bit dodgy about when these will come and in what medium.

- Kingdom Death 1.5, though I should point out that I secured the pledge for my brother so he could get an upgrade pack, adventure book and tie-in mini, but nothing else. This one should be on target, unlike the first one.

As for the other two I had on my list:

- Astropolis went off without a hitch and shipped ahead of schedule! If his second KS has as interesting minis as the first one and keeps it on target as well (as in, a small and focused campaign with little to no stretch goals or the like), I will most certainly back again.

- This is Not a Test has really slipped and overshot, with the EU pledges being shipped out just before Christmas and my pledge (or is it the replacement I requested? I don't know) showing up around the end of February. Bit disappointed with the final result, the book looks and feels cheap, certainly not something I'd personally attach a $50 price tag to. But feth it, I finally have the rules in dead tree format.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2017/04/16 05:25:30


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Q1 2017 is easily the most I've ever spent on KS stuff, by far.
- I pledged Kingdom Death 1.5, and then added a bunch more in the PM
- I also put down a $1 marker on Rising Sun
Looks like I'll be looking at base pledge for Smog: Moloch to try and stick to my budget.

Unrelated to gaming, I have been tracking Fidget Cube, which I put a buck at, but never converted to a pledge due to increasing unease with how poorly Antsy Labs were running things, how little information they shared with their backers, and how obvious it was that much of what they shared were untruths if not deliberate falsehood and fabrications. Ultimately, I ended up buying a knockoff for far less than the KS price, receiving it in days rather than months. For how poorly they treated their backers, I feel exceptionally good buying the knockoff, rather than supporting those scumbags.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 05:28:01


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Wow, it's been a year since I last looked into Kickstarters as a whole. In that time:

Kingdom Death 1.5 delivered 2 Waves to me:
1. Core Game
2. existing Expansions
This is basically "on time" with what Adam had estimated at the end of the KS Campaign, and the shipping prices ended up below estimate. I added more money, still have 2 more Waves to go, likely stretching out to 2019, but we'll see...

Smog: Rise of Moloch delivered to me, and it's hit the tabletop *twice*. I'm still awaiting FAQ / Errata & corrections to be mailed to me.

Ogre Miniatures Set 1 delivered late, and Set 2 is still pending late (and growing later). At least they're delivering.

Super Dungeon Explore turned into a total clusterfeth of incompetence and lies, and I was lucky to get most of my money refunded.

Robotech Tactics pulled the plug and refused to honor the refunds they are legally obliged to provide. I've basically lost about $60 of the $80 stake I put down. Fethers.

Journey: Wrath of Demons putters along with zero money but lots of heart. I really wish they can relaunch and deliver more of what I paid for.

SUMMARY

I'm down to 2 active Kickstarters: Kingdom Death and Ogre Miniatures set 2, and it looks like both should actually deliver!


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 06:12:24


Post by: BrookM


Thanks for the reminder..

Still waiting on my Mantic Warpath GCPS vehicles, any time now Mantic?

Also waiting on wave whatever for Kingdom Death's version of Hyper Light Drifter and the adventure book.

I have an open pledge on the Daughters of the Burning Rose KS, though not sure if I'll keep it, as next month is promising to be a release window of GW's stuff I'll be interested in.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 13:22:56


Post by: Turnip Jedi


Trying to cut down, haven't really put a dent in either The Others or Rising Sun painting wise

Got a few PC RPG's and a small Guildball project outstanding but can't see me backing anything else for a while


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 15:51:44


Post by: carlos13th


I have backed both Batman and Resident Evil 2 Board games this year. Would have to be something great for me to back another big game this year though.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 17:21:02


Post by: JohnHwangDD


 carlos13th wrote:
Would have to be something great for me to back another big game this year though.


Yeah, lots of interesting stuff that I just didn't pledge for. I love the look of Time of Legends : Joan of Arc, but I can't see it hitting the tabletop with all of my other projects and games.


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 17:39:04


Post by: DaveC


2 Backed so far this year

Zombicide Invader
HATE but was a $1 pledge that I won't be taking further

6 Backed in 2017

KoW Vanguard
Everlasting Wet Palette - should be shipping in a week or 2 only a small pledge here
CMON ASOIAF - delayed but in production and looking good so far
Zc Green Horde - have the base game - wave 2 due in June
Terrain Crate - In production more or less on time
KD:M 1.5 (it funded in 2017 so I count it as 2017) have wave 1 nothing in wave 2 wave 3 and 4 expecting delays but it's a quality product so best not to rush it.

I still have 7 others outstanding in full or part including

Trollforged Assimilation Alien Host - 5.5 years still waiting we agreed I'd take 6 Dreadnoughts and write of nearly $80 that was last summer but still nothing. Ed will get this finished some day he'll see everyone right eventually.

SDE Legends - complete mess, been lied to about production for ages and now they are spamming stuff not even in the KS just to fill updates but you know it's all the backers fault!

Journey Wrath of Demons - They are making some small progress but the money is gone they want to do the right thing but ultimately I expect this to go on the write off list.

Heroquest 25 - Still think I'll get it some day but I'm not sure how they are going to pay for manufacturing and shipping as the money appears to be spent and they are getting tied up in legal issues.

I've been quite lucky really 55 projects backed no outright failures yet and my write off list is tiny - just the Maki Advertising boards they never produced and the AVP extra bits (conversion heads) I'm still owed the multi part marines and they just hit retail so I'll chase them up at some point. Some of the games themselves are a write off but at least I got them.



Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 18:41:14


Post by: Boss Salvage


I'll bite, here's my gaming KS history:

MINIS

Arena Rex [5 minis starter] - unbuilt and unplayed, but club interest bump after PAX Unplugged

Wrath of Kings [1 faction starter] - sold to clubmate

Going Native: New World Monsters [3 minis] - unbuilt

Titan Forge X-Terra Stuff [bunch of demon minis] - unbuilt, keep meaning to sell

SDE: Forgotten King [game + extras] - love it, play a handful of times a year

Punkapocalyptic [$1 pledge] - watcher

Raging Heroes: TGG2 [loads of lust elves] - complete as of January, organizing for KOW

SDE: Legends [game + extras] - IN PROGRESS (and I late pledged so don't get updates?)

The Other Side [1 faction + shirt] - IN PROGRESS

Deep Madness [game + epic monster add-ons] - IN PROGRESS

Reaper Bones 4 [2 big monsters] - IN PROGRESS

HATE [game + lizard dudes + dice] - IN PROGRESS

Pacific Rim: Extinction [3 drone kaiju, no game] - IN PROGRESS

Zombicide: Invader [$1 pledge] - NEW (unlikely to back further, more interested in Black Plague or Green Horde)


CARDS

Minion [card game] - unplayed

Exploding Kittens [card game] - played a bunch, largely moved on

ADAPT [card game] - unplayed

OrganATTAK! [card game] - unplayed

Bears vs Babies [card game] - played a bunch, still relevant

Mythic Arcana [card game] - IN PROGRESS
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So admittedly I've got a pretty poor record of actually doing anything with my gaming KS, unless the game itself is accessible and self-contained (SDE and hopefully Deep Madness/HATE), my wife wants to play (see Oatmeal card games), or I have a clear goal in mind for the minis and am able to keep busy while waiting. Really need to push on the TGG2 stuff and make it happen, just really burning out on the building step of army painting right now, and Raging Heroes can have a pretty brutal build phase (that begins with the clean phase )

But yea, overall I'm definitely trying to slow down on the kickstarting, or at least certainly gaming ones. I'm past capacity for hobby and gaming time as it is

- Salvage


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 19:29:05


Post by: doktor_g


BACKED:
-2013: Ares Games Sails of Glory - Delivered $300
-2017: Nightingale Games War Room Signature Edition - Pending $300


Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/20 19:31:07


Post by: DarkTraveler777


I stayed away from Kickstarter for a bit but a few small campaigns sucked me back in, and their successful completion has led me to back more recently.

Here is my list:

  • Court of the Sultana by Effincool Miniatures: Late but regular updates and I am not worried about fulfillment. It looks like it will happen at some point.

  • Wreck Age: Post-Collapse Vehicles by Hyacinth Games: Late but now fulfilled

  • Dungeon Scenery by Johnny Lauck: On time (or close to) and fulfilled, excellent, no-hassle campaign.

  • Wild in The Streets Roller Derby Girls by Slow Death Games: Late but regular updates and fulfillment is imminent.

  • Ghosts of Gaia Two by Bad Squiddo Games: Late, still waiting on fulfillment.

  • Skulls and Bones by RBJ Games: On time and fulfilled, excellent, no-hassle campaign

  • 28mm Amazons by RBJ Games: In Progress

  • Zombicide: Invader: In Progress


  • So, about par for the course. Most were late, but are fulfilled, or in the process of fulfilling and no projects seem like vaporware so I am fine waiting.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/04/21 02:44:38


    Post by: Alpharius Walks


    As the closet accumulates I am trying to back down a bit. The list right now for gaming items looks like the below. The TLDR version would be lots of delivered projects to my satisfaction, a couple of duds that I was able to get some money back on (FOREX conversion each way is unfortunate and eats up some value) and a pending pile that appears to be on track.

    Delivered

    Dragon Empire Tabletop Army (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084608523/dragon-empire-tabletop-army) Somewhat late but not too bad, very happy with what I received.

    Reichsguard Knights (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lastsword/reichguard-knigths) Nice little project.

    March Of The Dead (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/98300108/march-of-the-dead-28mm-fantasy-undead-miniatures) Not everyone's preference in sculpting perhaps but I am very happy with what I received.

    Undead Resin Collection V1 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1463917927/undead-resin-collection-vol-1) I have the death knight, beautiful model.

    Dark Sword Miniatures - Stephanie Law Masterworks (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/823962857/dark-sword-miniatures-stephanie-law-masterworks-ex) I have been a fan of Stephanie Law's art for some time, going back to the L5R CCG. I have this original from her (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/l5r/images/e/ec/Shi-Tien_Yen-Wang_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090819174830) and it is one of my favorites. Anyway it was great to get some of her stuff in miniature form, hopefully they go back with some more ambitious pieces someday (i.e. chariot from her tarot art).

    Warbands Of The Cold North IV (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1103158358/warbands-of-the-cold-north-iv) Always happy with Red Box to date.

    Kensei: Samurai (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1372111648/kensei-samurai-tabletop-wargame) Ended up getting an editing credit on the rulebook. Love the undead sculpts.

    Data Targets: 3D Printing Objectives (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rocketshipgames/data-targets-3d-printed-sci-fi-miniatures-objective) I was very happy with the objective markers I got out of this, wish they would do some more projects.

    Renaissance Skeleton Army (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/23535743/renaissance-skeleton-army-28mm-miniatures-for-game) Fun line of sculpts, looking forward to the next batch.

    Legend Of The Sacred Sword 32mm Chibi (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/770568564/sacred-sword-32mm-chibi-miniatures) Good value, got lots of fun little models out of it.

    Hot & Dangerous (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1263001724/hot-and-dangerous) I disliked most of the sculpts but there were a couple of not ridiculous ones that I ended up with.

    Bears Head Miniatures Gallery Series (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/98300108/bears-head-miniatures-gallery-series) Always up for some undead sculpts. The Kitsune on Panda was also quite unique.

    Pending Fulfillment

    Going Native: From Out Of The Mists (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2139148164/going-native-from-out-of-the-mists) Not sure if it will be 100% on time but the creator has a good track record so no worries for me at this time.

    Reaper Bones 4 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-4-mr-bones-epic-adventure) Reaper has a long history, not worried in any way as this progressed towards delivery.

    DIehard Miniatures: Undead Rising (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/diehardminiatures/diehard-miniatures-undead-rising) More undead, should be shipping soon.

    Heroes 32 mm (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1209763618/32mm-fantasy-miniatures) Still a long way from planned fulfillment (September) so no particular worries at the moment.

    Freyja's Wrath (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1512506318/freyjas-wrath-dark-age-and-fantasy-28mm-shieldmaid) Should have a giant pile of cats and other critters coming my way soon.

    Kensei: Wako vs. Namban (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1372111648/kensei-wargame-wako-vs-namban) In for the Namban starter, delivery projected in September so still a ways off. Second time with this creator, no worries based on the outcome of the first.

    Red Box Games - Warbands Of The Cold North VI (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1103158358/warbands-of-the-cold-north-vi-ulfhildrs-heroes) Sat out V but happy to back some additional models more to my liking.

    Northmen 32mm (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/404694339/northmen) Seems to be coming along for June delivery.

    Bears Head Miniatures - Wilderness Encounters (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/98300108/bears-head-miniatures-wilderness-encounters) Third project with this creator, looking forward to the undead rhino and tiger arriving in a few months.

    Chibi Capsule (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/674003445/chibi-capsule-magical-girls-and-monsters) Recently funded, Impact! was the caster for another project I backed that went well and they have a long history on the platform so no worries for me.

    Failures

    Frazetta Miniatures (
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/killboxgames/frazetta-miniatures) Got a refund out of them. Would not do business with anyone associated with this project in the future.

    Salvation and Steel (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1036171223/salvation-and-steel-28mm-fantasy-skirmish-miniatur) I think this one is actually getting towards for fulfillment. It was very late and I was able to get a refund when they announced a new campaign with this one unfulfilled. Would consider purchasing from them depending on what their delivered products end up looking like.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/21 20:45:56


    Post by: JohnHwangDD


     JohnHwangDD wrote:
    I'm down to 2 active Kickstarters: Kingdom Death and Ogre Miniatures set 2, and it looks like both should actually deliver!


    4 months later, and I now have Ogre Miniatures Set 2 in hand.

    Kingdom Death : Monster is my only active KS. Sadly, Wave 3 (Gambler's Chest) is delayed until next year, not that I don't have enough on my plate, but still...

    Journey is still in the background, but not having a bunch of KS to worry about is pretty nice.

    I almost backed The Hunters, but ended up passing, as I have enough stuff. LOL.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/21 21:02:17


    Post by: DaveC


    My list is reducing and I've only backed 1 project so far this year

    Delivered
    ASOI&F
    Everlasting Wet Palette
    Zombicide Green Horde wave 2
    Terrain crate

    I still have 5 due in full

    Zombicide Invader is not due until next year
    KoW Vanguard should be done by October
    Assimilation Alien Host - Tom from Impact! is sorting me out so that should be clear shortly (its only been 6 years!)

    Then the 2 problem KS/crowd funders

    Super Dungeon:Legends and HQ25 I haven't written them off yet but it's not looking good for either.

    Still due in part

    Kingdom Death wave 3 & 4
    Star Saga wave 2
    Journey wave 2
    Myth wave whatever it ends up being - I'm waiting for everything to ship at once.

    That's the lowest level outstanding stuff I've had in a while by the years end there should be at least 3 more done although I may add Fireforged Games Forgotten Worlds depending on the price.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/23 12:56:42


    Post by: lord_blackfang


    Mantic still automatically gets a pledge from me, but otherwise I rarely back anymore, and I was a big backer back in the first wave - Bones 1, Relic Knights, etc.

    I'm happy with all the product I've received but there are too many games to play them all.

    In addition, it feels lately just keeping up with GW's pace of major releases is equal to keeping up with Kickstarter in its strongest days.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/23 13:04:39


    Post by: DaveC


     lord_blackfang wrote:
    In addition, it feels lately just keeping up with GW's pace of major releases is equal to keeping up with Kickstarter in its strongest days.


    This is probably the primary reason I’ve only backed 1 KS this year, during the Kirby years I bought little to no GW product but recently I’ve bought everything Necromunda, AoS Soul Wars plus enough Stormcasts and Nighthaunts for 2000 Pts. of each, Killteam and the AT ruleset. So my budget hasnt changed it’s just gone elsewhere.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/23 13:26:07


    Post by: Das_Ubermike


    Would anyone else like to see all of the Kickstarters moved to their own forum?


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/23 13:45:15


    Post by: Mysterio


    Once they are 'finished', they do in fact get moved to the 'appropriate' forum, and that seems to work well.

    And if you're interested in any of them, and you've 'subscribed' to their threads here, they're easy to keep track of that way too.



    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/23 17:36:24


    Post by: JohnHwangDD


     DaveC wrote:
     lord_blackfang wrote:
    just keeping up with GW's pace of major releases is equal to keeping up with Kickstarter in its strongest days.


    This is probably the primary reason I’ve only backed 1 KS this year, during the Kirby years I bought little to no GW product but recently I’ve bought everything Necromunda, AoS Soul Wars plus enough Stormcasts and Nighthaunts for 2000 Pts. of each, Killteam and the AT ruleset. So my budget hasnt changed it’s just gone elsewhere.


    The Kirby years got me out of the habit of buying GW product. If my group were playing more actively, I'd probably get the new rules.

    In the mean time, it's not like I don't have loads of other stuff to work on. LOL


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/25 20:09:18


    Post by: Nurglitch


    I'm looking to run a Kickstarter in a couple of weeks for my Titanomachina game so this thread has been really interesting.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/25 21:30:24


    Post by: Elbows


    My Kickstarter History has been mixed? (in no particular order)

    Dwarven Forge (1st Plastic KS): Paid, received, happy.

    Zombicide - Black Plague: Paid, received, happy.

    Massive Darkness: Paid, received, sold off --- made a profit (not interested in the game by the time I received it)

    Conan Board Game: Paid, received, sold off --- made a profit (not interested in the game by the time I received it)

    Blood Rage Boardgame: Paid, received, played and sold off --- didn't keep my interest. I sold it for the same I paid the KS for to a buddy.

    Mantic Dungeon Saga: Paid, received, sold off --- an absolutely gak product. Don't recall if I made my money, but no more Mantic KS for me.

    Robotech: Paid, received 1/3rd, the rest of the money was stolen by Kevin Siembeda. Loss: $250+ (I had about four starter sets worth if I recall)

    Hero Quest 25th: Paid, and never received a thing (risky and somewhat expected). Loss: $150


    Of the two which I lost money on, the HQ25th was a genuine risk, and I knew that paying the money. Robotech, I expected a lot of backtracking, but not outright thievery. I'm sure I've forgotten a few KS, but generally my experience has been good with honest/competent companies. Dungeon Saga was absolute ass, but that's not KS's problem...and I'm pretty sure I made my money back selling it off. What's amusing and notable to me is that the two that I robbed on are the two I was most interested in, so obviously some nostalgia/emotional purchasing there. At tht time there was little reason to not trust Gamezone, and I hadn't followed the general shadiness of Kevin Siembeda, asshat extraordinaire...so it is what it is.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/25 22:40:30


    Post by: BobtheInquisitor


    What was so bad about Dungeon Saga? I only pledged for some of the minis and the adventure book. I was thinking of buying it since I enjoy Star Saga.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/25 23:56:34


    Post by: JohnHwangDD


     Elbows wrote:
    Kevin Siembeda, asshat extraordinaire


    I LOL'd, so thanks for that.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/26 00:14:37


    Post by: Elbows


     BobtheInquisitor wrote:
    What was so bad about Dungeon Saga? I only pledged for some of the minis and the adventure book. I was thinking of buying it since I enjoy Star Saga.


    It's personal opinion, but the quality was just so woefully uninspiring. Crap plastic quality, loads of bent and broken miniatures, cheap card stock on the materials, a lazy and cheap rulebook/pamphlet etc. It felt like a cheap Chinese knockoff board game. I sell game components for fun, and as a hobby...and when my self-designed materials end up better quality than a large company like Mantic...it gives me serious pause. I know Mantic was founded on "cheaper than GW", but I've never been so disappointed with the quality of materials in the entire box as I was when I opened Dungeon Saga.

    It was on eBay in less than 4 hours after I opened the box. The quality level of high-dollar board games (with similar miniature counts) has been far higher.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/26 00:21:55


    Post by: BobtheInquisitor


    Thanks. What dungeon delving miniatures game would you recommend? I have Descent 1st Ed., but would like a more modern game with co-op option and more modern miniatures.

    We've had a lot of fun playing Shadows of Brimstone, so we are looking for something similar in the fantasy genre.


    Kickstarter overload? @ 2018/08/26 01:05:42


    Post by: Elbows


    Good luck, unfortunately. :(

    That's the holy grail no one has smashed yet. I would suggest Massive Darkness (a Zombicide in all but name) but the minis are silly and even though I own it, I'd rather play Zombicide Black Plague instead.

    I've tinkered with creating my own dungeon crawl for...gah...15+ years. There are a lot of small time dungeon crawl games that I've seen people play, but there isn't a super strong candidate that everybody swears by.

    There are loads of fantasy skirmish games, but few dedicated co-op dungeon crawls. You can find all of the materials for Warhammer Quest online but it's awfully clunky (if quite good). As a boxed game, that was the high water mark for me --- back when GW put loads of content into a game, even stuff they weren't selling.

    I can't comment on Dungeon Saga as a game (only played with the Beta rules a few times), so maybe the rules are quite good, I simply felt the materials were wasted on me when I received it. You may want to research it and see if people love the rules?