More photos, posted by Timotheus and Brother Dean - at B&C
Spoiler:
Three DA Core Detachments confirmed
Beastrouille - Bolter & Chainsword
There is a leak from the french WD saying so.
The detachements are called Deathwing Strike Force and Ravenwing Strike Force.
Here is the image for those who read french:
Spoiler:
For those who do not read french here is a quick translation:
second paragraph:
"Of course this is not the only way (i.e. the Lion's blade) to assemble a DA army. Instead of a DA semi-company why not use other detachements. A DW Strike Force would make a visually impressive army with all these bone-white armours [...]. Thanks to this detachment, itis possible to field a force constutited only of DA 1st company and lead by Belial or why not the new Terminator Librarian."
Third paragraph:
"The other detachement of the codex is the RW Strike Force including units from the second company only [...]"
EDIT: I forgot to credit the one who posted that in the first place. So thanks Master Avoghai (who I am sure you know already) to have posted that on the french DA forum
Warhams-77 wrote: WD pics - by www.gamestrust.de (in german, sorry guys)
Spoiler:
There is more
Spoiler:
There is another Dark Angels mission in the next issue of White Dwarf
MongooseMatt wrote: I am not really a rumour source, but this has just come through from the GW sales team;
A 160-page full colour hardback codex. The most comprehensive Dark Angels codex ever, which includes three new Dark Angels Detachments, 6 formations of and Tactical Objectives, plus Warlord Traits and Chapter Relics. This new codex gives the player the opportunity to build their own Deathwing and Ravenwing formations, from the extensive range of available miniatures.
It is a £35 Codex. Looks like Dark Angels are getting the royal treatment (at last)!
Codex cover and LE Codex content:
pretre wrote: Less ridiculously big picture from Mexican Ork:
in some of the tidbits is mentioned the following:
"Dark angels are known for their discipline (even guilliman respects says that) need proof? look at the overwatch fire of a battle demi-company!"
and "dark angels are known to attack hard and fast. expect the deathwing to assault on turn 2"
the upcomming WD has(sorry if it isnt 100% translated):
- at the dusk of a new age...
-...we are celebrating warhammer
- new mission: hunt The Fallen
no real leaks yet dear friends. expect them on the following tuesday/wednesday. when i got the book in my hands.
This week's White Dwarf - June 20 - Issue 73
Teaser Video
Confirmed products - June and July:
- Dark Angels upgrade sprue
- Dark Angels transfer sheet (decals)
- Dark Angels Battleforce (discounted bundle boxed set)
- Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain (plastic miniature clampack)
- Codex Adeptus Astartes: Dark Angels
- Dark Angels Datacards
Rumored products:
- Dark Angels Painting Guide (softcover book)
Related, recent products:
- New Devastator and Assault Marine kits
Original 1st post:
Rules update incoming. According to Sad Panda, who is blessed with the Reliable USR, Dark Angels will get a new Codex at the end of June. There have also been other good sources reporting a DA update - Hastings, Atia and Whisperer of Truth amongst them. I will keep this thread updated until the arrival of the book. Also YAY for a new Dark Angels Codex AFTER the Space Marine book gets replaced in the next weeks (preorder of first SM products is rumored for Sat, May 30, 2015).
Posted today on DakkaDakka
Sad Panda
Dark Angels codex comes late in June with a new clampack Interrogator Chaplain (completely new model with a powerfist, not the DV one).
Warhams-77 wrote: A few more pics from July Warhammer Visions - that future issue we had two photos of already was further leaked by Atia on B&C
Update June 6 2015
Whumbachumba wrote: This image is on the Australian webstore under the devastators.
Update June 1 2015
Warhams-77 wrote: The new DA Interrogator Chaplain and the Terminator Librarian - via Timotheus from Darkon and Asdrake on www.gw-fanworld.de
23 EUR / $29.00 USD (unconfirmed)
24 EUR / $29.75 USD (unconfirmed)
Update May 31 2015
A photo of the upcoming Dark Angels Battleforce - from Bolter&Chainsword
The new Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain model - from Asdrake on GW-Fanworld.de
Update May 27 2015
From the Astartes thread - by Timotheus - the Dark Angels upgrade sprue
DA decal and banner transfer sheet
Price list
Update May 26 2015
A few more posts from Darnok regarding the Dark Angels release
I've been told there would be two more upgrade sets, so UM and DA are only the first half of that. Devastators will be the second kit after Assault Marines. Add a few clampack characters, and that's the SM release. DA will only get a codex and a character (plus this upgrade frame). I don't know whether the older DA upgrade sprue will remain in production - I hope so.
Originally Posted by Azazyll
....I read Hastings comment to be DA and Tzeentch as separate releases, not a box set. And I'm glad for that; means more new models.
All I said was DA & Tzeentch, no idea if there'll be a boxed set but I am pretty certain there are also separate releases for both (as well?).
Leaked on Tuesday - a first photo of some of the DA upgrade sprue bits
Its URL in GW's webshop (by Atia on B&C)
Spoiler:
Rumors:
Darnok - Warseer Forum
I can confirm that Space Marines are coming, as well as Dark Angels. Three weeks of SM releases, one for DAs. After the AdMech stuff is done there is an Eldar armybox, and then it's Marines.
Also Whisperer of Truth mentioned a *EDIT: This is actually the DA upgrade sprue - so no Tac squad coming*
- Dark Angels Tactical Squad, but has corrected the info a few weeks ago (and reaffirmed that here on page 2) that it is not coming with this release
Spoiler:
PENDING Release Schedule Rumors - Apr 2015
[...] I heard a little tidbit that contradicts some information I posted earlier. [...]
I've now heard the DATac. Squad isn't coming with this release. (Which in no way means the release list has changed, the release dates do NOT change. If isn't coming it simply isn't coming.)
The Chaplain I heard about is also apparently going to be released separately rather than in a box set as I thought originally.
It was specifically titled a "Interrogator Chaplain" rather than just DA Chaplain ala the Blood Angel Libarian.
So as far as I know the release will just be a new Chaplain and Codex.
Release date May.
Less reliable sources:
BOLS - via Bird in the Trees 5-21-2015
Dark angels are following right on Space Marines.
Look for a “Grey Knight” codex only-release.
No “new” models at all, aside from those shared with Space Marines.
Slightly increased pagecount.
New formations for Deathwing, Ravenwing.
Numerous new Formations, including one landspeeder-based build about the Darkshroud.
There are some “Hunt for the Fallen” flavor rules that can come into play versus Chaos Marines.
Nephilim & Darktalon costs have been reduced.
Numerous minor changes to bring all general equipment, units and costs into alignment with upcoming codex Space Marines.
Nice concept in theory. Alpha strike with null deployment Land Speeders with a 3+ coversave behind enemy lines, melta and typhoon the biggest threads, then zoom around and grab objectives.
Guess we can extrapolate some of the changes from the new SM Dex concerning "shared" units.
Out of the Adeptus Astartes news Thread:
Warhams-77 wrote: There is also an Eldar army box coming with or even before the upcoming Space Marine release according to Darnok
Darnok - Warseer Forum
I can confirm that Space Marines are coming, as well as Dark Angels. Three weeks of SM releases, one for DAs. After the AdMech stuff is done there is an Eldar armybox, and then it's Marines.
Unlike Eldar and Space Marines, I don't think anyone's gonna be too upset that Dark Angels got an update to their codex I hope it's solid, I'd love to get some usage out of the army again.
Come on Plasma Cannon Tactical Squad with robes and whatnot. It will probably have a Heavy Bolted in it as well, but I am hoping for Multimelta or Grav Cannon. Just to mess with regular SM players (such as myself).
Brother SRM wrote: Unlike Eldar and Space Marines, I don't think anyone's gonna be too upset that Dark Angels got an update to their codex I hope it's solid, I'd love to get some usage out of the army again.
Same. First fully painted army ever was my Dark Angels, the old metal robed guys and old ravenwing boxset from 2nd edition. I'd love for them to be good again!
I might be coming into a Dark Angels army at the end of the summer, so this is great news for me.
At this point, I've given myself over to blissful indifference when it comes to rules quality. They could make the dangels worse and I'd still play them They're just too cool.
If this ends up being true and the DA are getting a new codex directly following Codex: Adeptus Astartes this may well be the best single year for me in the hobby.
First I got the swanky new Codex: Craftworlds, which (despite being a little out-of-sync with the current rule set) is one of the better releases in a while.
Then I get the new Codex: Adeptus Astartes, which is highly needed since the current codex is just a disgrace for Imperial Fist players like myself.
And then in the same year I get a new Codex: Dark Angels!? Would be just... well it'd be just great.
The news about Nephelim & Talon flyers getting a point cost reduction is cool. Kind of.. I mean I don't use flyers anyway but they were just too overpriced to even consider changing my mind before.
The Dark Angels definitely need wargear updates since they are missing some (suddenly very essential) options like Grav weaponry and Centurions (not that I'd use them, but the option would be nice).
Would be great if the Interogator Chaplain could work a miracle and make chaplains worth taking... not holding my breath, but would be nice.
On this note, close combat is definitely something I think that the DA have a lot of emphasis on, and that is not conveyed in the rules. They need to find a way to make CC units worth their cost in points. New rules for this and for chaplains could go a long way towards improving the playability of both Dark Angels and Black Templars
If the Dark Angels do in fact get their own Tactical Squad - I hope to God that they all look like the current Dark Angels Veteran box. The 'warrior monk in robes' look has been so iconic for them that it always made me wonder why they weren't easy to acquire. To make my Company Command Squad fit the aesthetic of my army I had to kitbash the Veterans with the Command Squad and ended up paying what amounts to a $33 USD 'robe' tax so that I could stand to look at my army. Termis in robes would be great too, but who am I kidding, that's not going to happen.
Would be great to see them remove the Sword of Caliban as an item. It is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. +1S and it gives unwieldy? Who in their right mind pays for that? if you're spending the points and going to suffer through going at initiative step 1, just buy a Power Fist and at least kill something with it (assuming you aren't dead before initiative step 1).
Rather than access to grav weapons, I think it'd be pretty bad ass if Dark Angels got some additional Plasma related options; like Plasma Calivers as heavy/special weapon choices, or access to Plasmaguns for their Assault Squads (like Blood Angels have with Meltaguns for their Assault Marines).
I've never owned any Dark Angel models, but the other co-organizer for my local game club has about 20,000 points of Dark Angels, so I use them pretty frequently, and have always found that their plasma options are a ton of fun. I'm not as well versed on the chapter's fluff as I am on a lot of other chapters, but I've always associated plasma weapons, and creepy robed dudes, with Dark Angels.
BrokenRecord wrote: Rather than access to grav weapons, I think it'd be pretty bad ass if Dark Angels got some additional Plasma related options; like Plasma Calivers as heavy/special weapon choices, or access to Plasmaguns for their Assault Squads (like Blood Angels have with Meltaguns for their Assault Marines).
I've never owned any Dark Angel models, but the other co-organizer for my local game club has about 20,000 points of Dark Angels, so I use them pretty frequently, and have always found that their plasma options are a ton of fun. I'm not as well versed on the chapter's fluff as I am on a lot of other chapters, but I've always associated plasma weapons, and creepy robed dudes, with Dark Angels.
They're only associated with plasma because plasma is associated with nearly-lost tech and the Dark Angels are seen as hoarders of relics (and this fluff all sort of co-evolved over the years, go back to 2nd edition and there's nothing about the Dark Angels being obsessed with plasma). Really, the DA's should have *better* grav weapons than other marine chapters for the same reason they have lots of plasma weapons. They keep and maintain more ancient weapons.
BrokenRecord wrote: Rather than access to grav weapons, I think it'd be pretty bad ass if Dark Angels got some additional Plasma related options; like Plasma Calivers as heavy/special weapon choices, or access to Plasmaguns for their Assault Squads (like Blood Angels have with Meltaguns for their Assault Marines).
I've never owned any Dark Angel models, but the other co-organizer for my local game club has about 20,000 points of Dark Angels, so I use them pretty frequently, and have always found that their plasma options are a ton of fun. I'm not as well versed on the chapter's fluff as I am on a lot of other chapters, but I've always associated plasma weapons, and creepy robed dudes, with Dark Angels.
They're only associated with plasma because plasma is associated with nearly-lost tech and the Dark Angels are seen as hoarders of relics (and this fluff all sort of co-evolved over the years, go back to 2nd edition and there's nothing about the Dark Angels being obsessed with plasma). Really, the DA's should have *better* grav weapons than other marine chapters for the same reason they have lots of plasma weapons. They keep and maintain more ancient weapons.
And Terminators with Plasma-Cannons, I need more DW Plasma Cannons.
I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....
I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....
It's one of those GW rules that states that having pointy teeth gives you uber powers, even though you're near identical to any other space marine.
Seriously, I've never understood that inconsistency either, or why in the background, a space marine can kill 20 guardsmen just by breaking wind, but on the table top, they struggle.
I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....
It's one of those GW rules that states that having pointy teeth gives you uber powers, even though you're near identical to any other space marine.
Seriously, I've never understood that inconsistency either, or why in the background, a space marine can kill 20 guardsmen just by breaking wind, but on the table top, they struggle.
I like to think that the tabletop doesn't take into account the level of strategy one would see from Space Marines. The typical equal-points battle scenario isn't their ideal situation.
No Space Marine commander would pit one marine with nothing but a bolter, some knives, and grenades against 20 guardsmen who are aware of their opponent and working together to bring him down. To put it on a larger scale, they're not going to send 1850 points to fight 1850 points on an open battleground in equal conditions, so to speak.
They'd hit that army with overwhelming force - think of a modern battle. They're going to do everything in their power to swing the battle in their favour while minimizing the risk to their own, be that bombardments, air support, or just plain shock and awe.
That individual marine wouldn't just run screaming at those 20 dudes, bolter blazing. He'd take his time, use his heightened senses, speed and tactical acuity to misdirect and outposition them, separate them and take them apart piecemeal. He'd bring the right tools for the job, and have decades (centuries?) of experience fighting large groups of lesser enemies.
Of course it's really just the tabletop not being balanced by the fluff, but, I take a certain satisfaction in thinking up reasons to make my fluff and crunch work together
I've never understood why Space Wolf Grey Hunters have better plasma options than DA tacs.....since Wolves are supposed to distrust the arcane technologies and DA are supposed to have more plasma.....
It's one of those GW rules that states that having pointy teeth gives you uber powers, even though you're near identical to any other space marine.
Seriously, I've never understood that inconsistency either, or why in the background, a space marine can kill 20 guardsmen just by breaking wind, but on the table top, they struggle.
I like to think that the tabletop doesn't take into account the level of strategy one would see from Space Marines. The typical equal-points battle scenario isn't their ideal situation.
No Space Marine commander would pit one marine with nothing but a bolter, some knives, and grenades against 20 guardsmen who are aware of their opponent and working together to bring him down. To put it on a larger scale, they're not going to send 1850 points to fight 1850 points on an open battleground in equal conditions, so to speak.
They'd hit that army with overwhelming force - think of a modern battle. They're going to do everything in their power to swing the battle in their favour while minimizing the risk to their own, be that bombardments, air support, or just plain shock and awe.
That individual marine wouldn't just run screaming at those 20 dudes, bolter blazing. He'd take his time, use his heightened senses, speed and tactical acuity to misdirect and outposition them, separate them and take them apart piecemeal. He'd bring the right tools for the job, and have decades (centuries?) of experience fighting large groups of lesser enemies.
Of course it's really just the tabletop not being balanced by the fluff, but, I take a certain satisfaction in thinking up reasons to make my fluff and crunch work together
I completely agree, and IMO, to date, only 2nd edition 40k has come close to reflecting this. But that was a long time ago.
Possibly, but equally a fully armed and armoured, fluff accurate Space Marine taking on 20 standard Guardsmen would be akin to a fully grown man taking on a bunch of toddlers. I mean, sure, he could be sensible about it to minimise risk, but, in all likelihood, if he decides to charge headlong and screaming, the outcome is likely going to be the same!
We all know the real reason is to sell models. If a SM army of 10 could take on an Ork or IG army of 100+, no one would buy Orks or IG (except for the occasional nutter like me).
If an in-game arguement is needed I always figured that 40k is not a 1:1 representation for most armies. IE 1 marine model=1 marine, but 1 IG/Ork/Nid model=10 or more actual troops.
Well, just for the record, but if they really squeeze out both Space Marines and Dark Angels in June, they've released more codexes in the first 6 months of 2015 than they did in the entirety of 5th Edition
5th Edition - 2008 to 2012
1- Space Marines
2- Imperial Guard
3- Space Wolves
4- Tyranids
5- Blood Angels
6- Dark Eldar
7- Grey Knights
8- Necrons
January to June 2015
1- Necrons
2- Harlequins
3- Daemonkin
4- Skitarii
5- Crafty Eldar
6- Imperial Knights
7- Cult Mechanicus
8- Space Marines (rumoured)
9- Dark Angels (rumoured)
So many conflicting rumors at the minute with Dark Angels though. Rumors of them being the new Campaign, but a 1 week release for just Codex & Crap. No new models whatsoever, but a Character and Squad box set to release. Following on the coat-tails of SM, but after SM there's nothing but Fantasy. Can someone more versed in who is full of doo-doo and who isn't sort out the reliable from the random?
SharkoutofWata wrote: So many conflicting rumors at the minute with Dark Angels though. Rumors of them being the new Campaign, but a 1 week release for just Codex & Crap. No new models whatsoever, but a Character and Squad box set to release. Following on the coat-tails of SM, but after SM there's nothing but Fantasy. Can someone more versed in who is full of doo-doo and who isn't sort out the reliable from the random?
The high quality info Sad Panda and Darnok are among the most reliable rumour-mongers. So a Codex in June seems highly likely. Darnok hasn't mentioned models and Sad Panda mentioned a Chaplain.
The medium quality info The Dark Angels Tac Squad... . Could just be educated guesses, because Blood Angels got a Tac Squad. 50/50 I'd say. Whisper of Truth first rumoured it and than said it wasn't coming ?
Generally GW doesn't do predictable.
The poor/conflicting stuff The Dark Angels/Daemonkin campaign box seems to directly contradict Darnok's claim that Dark Angels are followed by Fantasy. So that seems highly unlikely.
Also, while most "guess-mongers" have taken a shot at a 2015-version of Storm Claw, it's been everything from Sisters-vs.-Tzeentch to DV-expansion-campaign to now (Tzeentch?/Khorne?/Nurgle?) Daemonkin. Chances it'll happen are next to nil IMO.
Also, the 2015-version of Storm Claw may well have been Execution Force.
The medium quality info The Dark Angels Tac Squad... . Could just be educated guesses, because Blood Angels got a Tac Squad. 50/50 I'd say. Whisper of Truth first rumoured it and than said it wasn't coming ?
Generally GW doesn't do predictable.
It's not. Doesn't mean it's getting pushed back. Just means it was never coming in this release slot. There's alot of Fantasy stuff coming, then Tzeentch stuff which will see a welcome return to 40k. Rubic Marines for one. I'm not entirely sure about a box set anymore though. I'm beginning to wonder if I got my info muddled up. I posted about a Khorne vs Imperium campaign book a while back, which would lead into a Tzeentch campaign book, but that just turned out to a WW exclusive. I had heard the two campaign books this year would be chaos based and I still think that's the case, but they might no neccesarily lead onto one another. (I seriously doubt they will.)
I also heard about a box set with a sorceror and chaplain in it, which I later corrected myself to say the Chappie would get an independent release. Then a Sorceror turned up in Execution Force....
So not 100% on a box set anymore, but we'll defo see something linking Dark Angels and Tzeentch later in the year. What ever the case, where going to see ALOT of Chaos lovin over the next year and abit.
Fair enough. Appreciate the information you share, Whisper. Here's a collection of some of his past posts on Dark Angels.
WhispererofTruth wrote: As to the suggestion of Azrael, I'm going to post this here. I heard a little tidbit that contradicts some information I posted earlier.
Next 3 releases are still Eldar, DA, Tzeentch.
I've now heard the DATac. Squad isn't coming with this release. (Which in no way means the release list has changed, the release dates do NOT change. If isn't coming it simply isn't coming.)
The Chaplain I heard about is also apparently going to be released separately rather than in a box set as I thought originally.
It was specifically titled a "Interrogator Chaplain" rather than just DA Chaplain ala the Blood Angel Libarian.
So as far as I know the release will just be a new Chaplain and Codex.
Release date May.
WhispererofTruth wrote: Ok boys, sorry for going off topic with the rumours as per usual, but I heard something today that contradicts information I've heard in the past.
I mentioned Dark Angels are next after Skitarri and Eldar. This is still happening.
I mentioned there would be a Tactical Squad released and a new Chaplain in a box game. Now I've heard that the Tac. Squad isn't getting released just yet and the chaplain is getting it's own separate release.
As I said conflicting info, just thought I'd keep you all updated. I'll keep digging and see if I can get anymore info. I appreciate how frustrating this comment will be, but believe you me it's just as frustrating for me.
Chaplain Clampack is specifically titled as an: "Interrogator Chaplain."
WhispererofTruth wrote: Thanks for that. They're definitely real, my source has one along with the Khorne one and a Nurgle pin.
Right now there isn't much else I can post. There's some Fantasy stuff End of April/Start of May and then Dark Angels/Tzeentch. I went against two rumour heavyweights LoWG and Nightfury about what was supposed to be coming out this year and signs point to me being right.
Check my post history and the date of Hastings post and you'll see that I did indeed mention DA+Tzeentch first. (I'll admit though I thought back the Tzeentch stuff was just Daemons. But hey, we can't be right 100% of the time.)
New DA codex. I told you all Dark Angels were coming after Eldar, LoWG were right about Space Marines, they just got the wrong damn codex. Did you not get the Tzeentch web exclusive too? Perhaps that hasn't been sent out yet. It's a blue wristband with the word "Change" imprinted on it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, next 3 releases are: Eldar, Dark Angels, Tzeentch. Call me a troll like normal if you must, but you'll see I'm right in the next few months boys x
Fair enough. Appreciate the information you share, Whisper. Here's a collection of some of his past posts on Dark Angels.
Her posts afaik. And I think the evaluation of info is handled better in the tracker thread. Doing it here turns easily into unneccessary accusations without adding more to the consensus that's already there. A new Dark Angels Codex and an Interrogator Chaplain miniature - the date given by Darnok and Panda is the 2nd half of June. They have good stats on the tracker. No need to dig deeper into the topic.
Tzeentch stuff has its own thread
Edit: It could be I got your intention wrong though, Wonderwolf. Sorry if I did
Fair enough. Appreciate the information you share, Whisper. Here's a collection of some of his past posts on Dark Angels.
Her posts afaik. And I think the evaluation of info is handled better in the tracker thread. Doing it here turns easily into unneccessary accusations without adding more to the consensus that's already there. A new Dark Angels Codex and an Interrogator Chaplain miniature - the date given by Darnok and Panda is the 2nd half of June. They have good stats on the tracker. No need to dig deeper into the topic.
Tzeentch stuff has its own thread
Edit: It could be I got your intention wrong though, Wonderwolf. Sorry if I did
Not much to accuse there. Pretty consistent claims about DA coming up next with the correction that the Tac squad isn't coming and Tzeench will be after that. If there's some fantasy wedged between DA and Tzeench that's still accurate enough for me.
RE: Tzeench thread: yes, but it allways changes it's name and place and once you in there, all links leading outside mysteriously vanish
Edit: It could be I got your intention wrong though, Wonderwolf. Sorry if I did
Sharkoutofwata wanted a rough rundown of the various DA-rumours by "quality".
Doing so, I (subjectively) ranked Whisper (sorry if I got the gender wrong) as "medium quality source"; lower than Darnok or Panda, higher than Natfka/BoLS stuff on some of the things, but things are a bit complicated because Whisper amended the rumours a few times (as she herself tried to explain).
I put up the rough evolution of the Whisper's DA-rumours. Sharkoutofwata & co should be able to make their own picture from there. To me, it "feels" like there's a consistent kernel of truth hidden in Whisper's rumors, but there also appears to be a bit of Chinese Whispers (pun not intended) going on, etc.. stuff I can't really judge or comment on, at least not any better than simple pointing to the first-hand history of "evolving DA rumours".
I can't wait to see what they add this time. The masses of maces instead of swords and the darkshroud were enjoyable to take the micky out in 6th.
I still fondly remember someones custom chapter badge of winged maces instead of the traditional swords.
I cant remember if it was on Dakka or on the B&C forum but someone posted a drawing of a darkshroud with a dj in the back with a caption along the lines of "Drop the emperors holy base!"
I eagerly await this batches humorous new editions. Maybe we'll get a full RaveWing to go with the Dubshroud.
Given the number of rumoured kits, I would anticipate something on the lines of the GK update.
It wouldn't surprise me if the plane and mobile disco get the heaviest revision as I can't imagine anyone interested in the game, rather than just collecting the models, invested too heavily in he, first time around.
The medium quality info The Dark Angels Tac Squad... . Could just be educated guesses, because Blood Angels got a Tac Squad. 50/50 I'd say. Whisper of Truth first rumoured it and than said it wasn't coming ?
Generally GW doesn't do predictable.
It's not. Doesn't mean it's getting pushed back. Just means it was never coming in this release slot. There's alot of Fantasy stuff coming, then Tzeentch stuff which will see a welcome return to 40k. Rubic Marines for one. I'm not entirely sure about a box set anymore though. I'm beginning to wonder if I got my info muddled up. I posted about a Khorne vs Imperium campaign book a while back, which would lead into a Tzeentch campaign book, but that just turned out to a WW exclusive. I had heard the two campaign books this year would be chaos based and I still think that's the case, but they might no neccesarily lead onto one another. (I seriously doubt they will.)
I also heard about a box set with a sorceror and chaplain in it, which I later corrected myself to say the Chappie would get an independent release. Then a Sorceror turned up in Execution Force....
So not 100% on a box set anymore, but we'll defo see something linking Dark Angels and Tzeentch later in the year. What ever the case, we're going to see ALOT of Chaos lovin over the next year and abit.
Emphasis mine...
I really, really hope this turns out to be true honestly. Firstly because Tzeentch is always the most crapped on of the Chaos Gods, and more importantly, Chaos Marines are now to the point that we're the worst looking AND worst supported model line available 'off the shelf' in GW stores.
We're at the point we literally need a near-100% re-do of our entire ****ing line! The only workable kits currently are the Termie Lord/Sorcerer, Possessed, Raptors, Hellbrute, Rhino & Land Raider kits - everything else is garbage quality
Oh, and for once GW, can we please have some new weapon options for our squads? Marine players have had all kinds of goodies given and/or returned to them, while we've been stuck with the same unit options for 16 ****ing years!!
Kosake wrote:Not much to accuse there. Pretty consistent claims about DA coming up next with the correction that the Tac squad isn't coming and Tzeench will be after that. If there's some fantasy wedged between DA and Tzeench that's still accurate enough for me.
Wonderwolf wrote:Sharkoutofwata wanted a rough rundown of the various DA-rumours by "quality".
Doing so, I (subjectively) ranked Whisper (sorry if I got the gender wrong) as "medium quality source"; lower than Darnok or Panda, higher than Natfka/BoLS stuff on some of the things, but things are a bit complicated because Whisper amended the rumours a few times (as she herself tried to explain).
I put up the rough evolution of the Whisper's DA-rumours. Sharkoutofwata & co should be able to make their own picture from there. To me, it "feels" like there's a consistent kernel of truth hidden in Whisper's rumors, but there also appears to be a bit of Chinese Whispers (pun not intended) going on, etc.. stuff I can't really judge or comment on, at least not any better than simple pointing to the first-hand history of "evolving DA rumours".
pretre wrote:Whisperer is very much an unknown quantity. He/she has only a couple rumors that have actually been evaluated so far (I think about 5 or so).
All good points to consider when handling these rumors. Atia posted today the old Assault Squad kit is marked soldout on the GW webstore and the GW blog will show a teaser video on monday morning. It will be about 'And they shall know no fear' (It is possible to read the headlines of future blog post(s)). Anyway it should be pretty clear by now that Adeptus Astartes are the next major release.
A few more posts from Darnok regarding the Dark Angels release
I've been told there would be two more upgrade sets, so UM and DA are only the first half of that. Devastators will be the second kit after Assault Marines. Add a few clampack characters, and that's the SM release. DA will only get a codex and a character (plus this upgrade frame). I don't know whether the older DA upgrade sprue will remain in production - I hope so.
Originally Posted by Azazyll
....I read Hastings comment to be DA and Tzeentch as separate releases, not a box set. And I'm glad for that; means more new models.
All I said was DA & Tzeentch, no idea if there'll be a boxed set but I am pretty certain there are also separate releases for both (as well?).
Those are all 'in your face' chapters though. DA are more long range in theme. But I'm also not holding my breath. I imagine there will be no significant changes in rules :(
Nvs wrote: Those are all 'in your face' chapters though. DA are more long range in theme. But I'm also not holding my breath. I imagine there will be no significant changes in rules :(
Still don't think that matters lol. They've got Deathwing stuff and a gak load of Ravenwing. Would be nice though if their Vengeance Speeder had a greater range than 24" and the Dark Talon's Rift Cannon was more powerful. Like Strength D since it apparently works in a similar manner to D-weapons the Eldar use.
Make the flyers and DW more competitive, thats all I ask. If those two things happen there will be the most energetic/pathetic nerd cartwheel of all time.
Kosake wrote: I guess the DA head-bit can be substituted with something from the khorne-zerks...
The helmet is the one of the first DA Captain miniature, also shown on the cover of Epic's Armies of the Imperium (painted by Geoff Taylor). I like it, especially when painted red, black and white, a lot
I have enough armies. More than enough armies. Then I got a cheap DV box a couple of weeks ago and went about putting together all the Angels from it and what was left from the one I had. Then I went out and bought a Veterans box and some second-hand minis at my FLGS. Now I've got a small DA force but no rules for it.
Thinking I may have to shell out for another $60 Codex (though I may drop my Crimson Fists and distribute what I can amongst my Space Wolves and new DA...)
Kosake wrote: I guess the DA head-bit can be substituted with something from the khorne-zerks...
The helmet is the one of the first DA Captain miniature, also shown on the cover of Epic's Armies of the Imperium (painted by Dave Gallagher). I like it, especially when painted red, black and white, a lot
Spoiler:
Well that's a find. Also, Leman Russ? So there allready is an official GW model for one of the primarchs? How is that not known to the greater public?
Also, the UM sprue mirrors pretty much the UM captain here. So I guess gee-dubs is running out of new ideas and butchers every old source they have lying around.
I think it's kinda cool to have throwbacks to older models. The BA captain inspired Tycho, Dante and the Sanguinary Guard and created some unique imagery amongst the Astartes.
I find that "newer" models that don't sip some of the style and ideas from the older concepts are somewhat lacking and uninspired (like Centurions and Stormraven/Talon).
From the Astartes thread - by Timotheus - the Dark Angels upgrade sprue
DA decal and banner transfer sheet
Price list
@The old SW Captain's wolf head comes also with the Grey Hunter kit already. The wheel has indeed come full circle
I welcome that GW is offering those bits as they allow for nice chapter specific conversions. Like Pretre already mentioned the older miniatures are smaller. You can now make updated versions of those classic miniature designs.
In some of the new painting books GW also uses plastic bits to make new special characters (no rules included, just for fluff reasons). The Terminator Space Wolf character with the Dreadnought skull head in Companies of Fenris comes to mind.
snaggled wrote: Confused. Is that $25 for one transfer sheet ?
We're not talking about a transfer sheet like one that comes in the boxes of models.
We're talking about one that is going to come in a fairly large mailing envelope. If the text they put on there is any indication, it's even larger than the Forge World transfer sheets--which are pretty dang large.
Yep - if those banners are the same size as the originals they're about 3cm tall.
Also £8 for the sprue - I'm really surprised! Time to prise off the too small metal ones I put on my DAs & swap them out!
Just talked to my GW manager today and he says the Space Wolves sprue has all the stuff you need to make a Ragnar Blackmane in plastic. All you need extra is a set of legs. He also said the shoulder pads are for Ragnar's company.
If you've been in the hobby a while, you really don't need a gigantic sheet of decals where about 75% of the sheet is just more chapter badges and squad markings. So, even though it's huge, I question its value. Also, the "upgrade" sprue is pretty underwhelming. Again, $13.50 isn't a lot of money, but it just seems like it's a pretty lackluster effort from GW.
the_Armyman wrote: If you've been in the hobby a while, you really don't need a gigantic sheet of decals where about 75% of the sheet is just more chapter badges and squad markings. So, even though it's huge, I question its value. Also, the "upgrade" sprue is pretty underwhelming. Again, $13.50 isn't a lot of money, but it just seems like it's a pretty lackluster effort from GW.
While I agree about the transfers (which I actually loathe) I love the idea of an upgrade kit. I'm extremely anal and want all my Marines to have sculpted shoulder pads for the Chapter iconography. Currently, I pay $12 Cdn for a set of pads for my Fists, Word Bearers, or Iron Warriors. For an extra 4 bucks, I get some additional bits AND get to pick it up in store immediately rather than waiting for shipping because it's online only. Win/win for me.
God, GW is simply the most unprofessional company I've ever come across.
They must think typos are sexy.
(Don't mind too much in adverts, even if it's really stupid to have them there, but seen as they are frequently in publications, too, I can only shake my head in wonder ...)
snaggled wrote: Confused. Is that $25 for one transfer sheet ?
Yes. Yes it is.
WTF!!!!
"Ever get the feeling you're being cheated?"
-Johnny Rotten
It describes in White Dwarf, the sheet being "in reality, they're massive -- even bigger than the pages of this magazine". You get an idea by looking at the banners on the bottom left, which will (should?) fit the command squad banner blank.
Personally, I'm not a decal guy, so I'm not buying one, though I am tempted just for the banners at the bottom. It is actually a pretty good sheet of decals, and you'll likely only purchase 1 for your whole army (to supplement the free decals that come with each box.
Two things are puzzling to me:
- Why not print it onto 2 sheets? Huge decal sheets are a huge pain to store and not damage. - Why waste half the decal sheet on crap that you get for free, which you'll have 20 sheets of by the time you finish your army? I mean, the chapter logos are a total waste, except maybe the largest sizes. The numbers are a waste of space. The assault squad/tactical squad markings you'll accumulate faster than you can use. And all you need is 1 friend who also plays SM, but a different chapter, and you'll have a lifetime supply of the common ones.
I would have either liked to see the whole sheet with unique stuff (that's not on the Space Marines or Space Marines Vehicle transfers) OR a smaller, cheaper sheet with all unique stuff. I mean, they could have just given us 2 of all the cool items, since there's the chance you can muck a decal up.
Zewrath wrote: Actually, yeah... 700 transfers! Holy gak that's a 1 time purchase and you're set for life!
Id be a bit more critical about *what* you're purchasing rather than some kind of "number of decals". 650 of the SAME symbol + 50 cool decals for 25$ is not the same as 700 cool decals for 25$.
All in all, not a great buy even if the decals on the lower right look useful.
@Kirasu - Indeed, 650 blood drops in yellow, red, blue, green, and black (or whatever silly colors they made... no idea why) is surely what every painter desires.
Talys wrote: @Kirasu - Indeed, 650 blood drops in yellow, red, blue, green, and black (or whatever silly colors they made... no idea why) is surely what every painter desires.
I can't tell if you are joking, but the single blood drops are for the right shoulder pad, signifying the company the marine belongs to since helmet color signifies the marine's function (whereas other chapters use a symbol on the right shoulder pad). But really, 75% of those ~200+ decals are going to waste, unless someone actually runs an army composed of several companies. The squad markings are pretty cool, though.
Zewrath wrote: Actually, yeah... 700 transfers! Holy gak that's a 1 time purchase and you're set for life!
Id be a bit more critical about *what* you're purchasing rather than some kind of "number of decals". 650 of the SAME symbol + 50 cool decals for 25$ is not the same as 700 cool decals for 25$.
All in all, not a great buy even if the decals on the lower right look useful.
Except the picture shows nothing of your hyperbolic claim. There are ~200 Blood drop symbols. The rest is squad markings, campaign markings, battlefield role markings, banners and other various decals.
Talys wrote: @Kirasu - Indeed, 650 blood drops in yellow, red, blue, green, and black (or whatever silly colors they made... no idea why) is surely what every painter desires.
Well, now it's official. The cycle has officially turned over and is now replacing the oh-so-permanent-looking hardbacks with newer hardbacks. But more importantly, they started updating armies that were already updated AND gave the Adeptus Mechanicus an army before giving Sisters of Battle a single plastic kit. I feel like the signs were there. They probably still will, but holy fething horse gak are they dragging their feet with Sisters of Battle.
Quarterdime wrote: Well, now it's official. The cycle has officially turned over and is now replacing the oh-so-permanent-looking hardbacks with newer hardbacks. But more importantly, they started updating armies that were already updated AND gave the Adeptus Mechanicus an army before giving Sisters of Battle a single plastic kit. I feel like the signs were there. They probably still will, but holy fething horse gak are they dragging their feet with Sisters of Battle.
oh look at that, a Sisters whiner in a completely unrelated thread. No one has seen that before.
Anyway... I really hope the Dark Angels get a Decurion like Detachment so they can keep their ObSec terminators and superbikes. Though making Greenwing viable again would be nice. Though it isn't like people are playing DA for Greenwing in the first place.
Just talked to my GW manager today and he says the Space Wolves sprue has all the stuff you need to make a Ragnar Blackmane in plastic. All you need extra is a set of legs.
Woah, thats pretty cool to be fair. I wonder will the bits make him bulkier and a bit bigger?
Just talked to my GW manager today and he says the Space Wolves sprue has all the stuff you need to make a Ragnar Blackmane in plastic. All you need extra is a set of legs.
Woah, thats pretty cool to be fair. I wonder will the bits make him bulkier and a bit bigger?
Just need a chest front, a pair of arms, a storm bolter, and some legs. But it has HIS frost sword, head, and backpack so most of what you need is there.
Bringing this back to DA, the upgrade kit has much of what one would need to make a Company Master. Much of what is included looks awful close to what the failcast Company Master included. I prefer Company Master Balthasar though. Glad DA got a kit that looks pretty useful (unlike BA...). Now if only the rules made DA good.
I'm a bit meh over the DA upgrade sprue and the transfers themselves, having just bought the DV box since I'm starting a mixed DA army ( with greenwing for when I want to use tacticals ) I find it quite annoying with the route they are going with this release, if there had been a tactical box set ( even if not with this release I'm confused if we are still getting one or not regardless of when ) here I would have been far more excited.
My reason behind this is fairly obvious but it comes down the fact currently ( aside from the veterans having HALF chapter markings on their pads ) is fully sculpted, that is to say the deathing, the ravenwing, and the DA that come in the DV box all have their chapter sculpted markings on the pads, not only that I would have been VERY excited if we had actually had the tactical, devastator and assault markings included on these sprues. Outside of upgrades being difficult due to the molding of the DV tactical marines ( it's tough add arms to the sgt, plasma cannon and plasma gun guys without serious filling and cutting of the insides of their pads to use them, and this is a problem because all your other tactical marines will have crisp tactical and da pad markings while the swaps you do will have decals and they WILL stand out dif and that is annoying considering how easy it would be to simply add a double sprue blister, one of individual chapters pads and one of squad type markings, this to me would have been a far better choice vs outdated meh decals.
For example I really want to kit out 4 tactical greenwing squads, I know DA mainly are into plasma in the fluff but the DV sgt's will be hell removing their chainsword arms because the power maul ( still fluffy ) from the veterans box extends past that wrist with the braiding, the plasma 2x guys are formed in a way that its also tough to add in existing arms without damaging tons of the tactical pads, I just see this as stupid when they could have done so much more and yes the metal pads already exist for tacticals and devs but those are failcrap or metal and also outdated, should have done the whole thing right. I mean you would literally have to round out the inside of the pads to fit the existing ( or new coming ) dev weapons to work with them. The only other way I can see doing it would be slicing off the pc right arm at the pad and slightly drilling into it then inserting another arm from a heavy weapon into it this is all serious work compared to simply cutting a wrist off with tons of existing wrist weapons.
The chapter banner decals are ok I would personally paint over top of them better as freehand and simply use the decal as a guide, the rest is worthless other than maybe the actual gothic numbers which are much easier to paint by hand than symmetrical tactical or assault markings or wings.
Again its highly annoying because for the most part SW, BA and UM are taken care of with their tactical boxes and other kits generally handling anything you would want outside of a few random heavy weapons being more generic marked, but there is enough bits already that they are easy to upgrade with chapter bling, DA is actually the one chapter that is slightly lacking due to the aging ravenwing and veteran upgrade sprues, I mean they are not terrible but they are aging vs the newer plastics and for sure the first ravenwing upgrade is far dif than the black knights and the DV ravenwing ( which are actually superior sculpts to the upgrade frame even the plasma is drilled out! ).
Zewrath wrote: Actually, yeah... 700 transfers! Holy gak that's a 1 time purchase and you're set for life!
Let's go back a few years...
"This baby has a 100mb hard drive! I'm set for life!"
Dude... I remember when I was a young boy and my father told me about the whole new diskettes that replaced the old floppy disks and how nothing could top that, since it could contain an entire library worth of text!
Kanluwen wrote: The upgrade sprues are not there for building squads; they're for making heroes and command squads.
That's really all there is to say in regards to them.
Not so sure about that considering what is on each sprue, its clear for SW and BA that there already exists commander upgrades in fact the current 2nd company BA captain ( a VERY weird choice considering the chest and legs they use for him has a BA power sword and plasma pistol already there which are better suited ) makes use of generic captain weapons and backpack along with normal sgt ba legs and chest.
There is already more then enough DA captain and master models out there both in plastic, metal and failcrap and the DA upgrade is not even complete at best you can use the vet bodies with it but it lacks the chapter master body for a true upgrade, given the fact there is 10 shoulder pads on these they seem more geared towards tactical or squads in general it's a bit weird actually the choices and how small the sprues are...guess time will tell what happens with more/existing things like the ravenwing and veteran sprues.
If anything the space marine plastic commander is older now too and that is something that needs a bit of an upgrade unless this whole release is a tie over till a real DA tactical squad or simply for upgrading pads themselves and failcrap pads get phased out and metal run out...some of it is quite puzzling due to option choices and bits in general.
casvalremdeikun wrote: oh look at that, a Sisters whiner in a completely unrelated thread. No one has seen that before.
Come on man, that was the first time in at least a year I whined about Sisters of Battle. Is there a Sisters of Battle Still Haven't Come Out Yet Megathread somewhere that nobody goes to because of its redudancy that I can be relegated to? That sounds swell.
Also, it's not completely unrelated considering there are rumors of a Sisters release coming this summer/fall, involving a campaign book even. A campaign book involving Chaos Daemons. That's why it drew the connection for me.
casvalremdeikun wrote: oh look at that, a Sisters whiner in a completely unrelated thread. No one has seen that before.
Come on man, that was the first time in at least a year I whined about Sisters of Battle. Is there a Sisters of Battle Still Haven't Come Out Yet Megathread somewhere that nobody goes to because of its redudancy that I can be relegated to? That sounds swell.
Also, it's not completely unrelated considering there are rumors of a Sisters release coming this summer/fall, involving a campaign book even. A campaign book involving Chaos Daemons. That's why it drew the connection for me.
Just giving you grief, nothing malicious. There are always sisters rumors. It boils down to a ton of wishful thinking. They should have come out around the same time as Blood Angels since they were involved in the Shield of Baal campaigns.
I would have much appreciated more robed marines. I think its weak sauce they only have one hooded head on the upgrade sprue. Not impressed at all with the product when compared to what it could have been. Mostly just shoulder pads- great. The sword is cool only it should say angel and not angels so that it could be more Slayer. I mean SLAYER.
I'll probably pick up the decals.
I'm mixed about the codex as I have to buy both. I think I should be disciplined and finish minting some stuff before I re up on codexes.
Revenant78 wrote: If anything the space marine plastic commander is older now too and that is something that needs a bit of an upgrade unless this whole release is a tie over till a real DA tactical squad or simply for upgrading pads themselves and failcrap pads get phased out and metal run out...some of it is quite puzzling due to option choices and bits in general.
Just put DA transfers on regular tactical Marines, that's how you get a DA tactical squad. Or is there some fluff I missed that dictates that every single Dark Angels Marine wears a full robe and hood now?
We don't really need a unique tactical squad box for every chapter, and especially not before other races get their ancient plastic troop boxes replaced. Between the new upgrade sprue and existing kits like the veterans I think DA have more than enough options, and I fail to see what a DA-specific tactical squad would provide that the new upgrade sprue doesn't. Unless you want them to go over-the-top like GW did with the equally unnecessary BA tactical squad and put chapter-specific icons and bits on literally everything so that every lowly tactical Marine is decked out like a captain. It's stuff like this that really makes me think Marine players are just spoiled rotten.
Personally I like my Tactical Marines to look different from veterans. The veterans should have robes and stuff while the regular tac marines haven't earned theirs yet! I myself will probably order one upgrade sprue and perhaps the transfer sheet (although in general I hate decals, especially on SM shoulder pads). Looking forward to actually not being hamstrung if I bring Dark Angels to a tournament.
Huh, normally a new Dark Angels release on the horizon is when my resolve begins to crack and I dip back in to 40k for a bit... this time, not so much.
I might give a glance to it in the FLGS if nothing else. I never even got up the motivation to finish painting any of the stuff from the last DA codex.
Kind of sad, the DA have been my army for ~20 years at this point and this is probably the first time I will let a release slip past without giving things a second glance. Oh well, hopefully for those that still play this is the first codex the Unforgiven get that is actually worth a damn after it's released (on the plus side it isn't an initial release for a new edition).
Revenant78 wrote: If anything the space marine plastic commander is older now too and that is something that needs a bit of an upgrade unless this whole release is a tie over till a real DA tactical squad or simply for upgrading pads themselves and failcrap pads get phased out and metal run out...some of it is quite puzzling due to option choices and bits in general.
Just put DA transfers on regular tactical Marines, that's how you get a DA tactical squad. Or is there some fluff I missed that dictates that every single Dark Angels Marine wears a full robe and hood now?
We don't really need a unique tactical squad box for every chapter, and especially not before other races get their ancient plastic troop boxes replaced. Between the new upgrade sprue and existing kits like the veterans I think DA have more than enough options, and I fail to see what a DA-specific tactical squad would provide that the new upgrade sprue doesn't. Unless you want them to go over-the-top like GW did with the equally unnecessary BA tactical squad and put chapter-specific icons and bits on literally everything so that every lowly tactical Marine is decked out like a captain. It's stuff like this that really makes me think Marine players are just spoiled rotten.
I wish they would sell the snapfit models from Dark Vengeance separately. The Dark Angels models in the DV box are actually fantastic. They're nicely posed, easy to assemble, look great painted, and they have nice DA adornments. The bikes are nice and simple too! But if you could get the DA half of DV for half the price, with no rulebook and no templates, that would be great. Likewise for the Chaos half (which is actually much better to keep playing with, IMO).
I'm not saying as an "instead of", but rather a "in addition to" kit. I know a lot of people who are really intimidated by "having" to put together multiple tactical squads, because of all the pieces, messing up configuration, etc.
DVDA units are in abundance on ebay. I basically filled my DA force with them. A few conversions to the bikers (although I can't see fixing the plasma gunner unfortunately) and using the extras from a DW knight/term sqd to adjust the extra termies and you have a cheap, decent starter force.
Just flesh out accordingly.
Cool guy, I hope he's not the only plastic they get.
I assume this refers to Boreas?
While I don't usually like Gav Thorpe's writing, that book was pretty fun and revealed some interesting things about the Dark Angels' dark secret.
If I remember correctly, that quote is from Sapphon, the Master of Sanctity. While Boreas was a typical Dark Angel, Sapphon is written very intruiging... smart, not as indoctrinated and still "dark angely". The exact opposite of Asmodai (which I learned to despise through the Novel).
angelofvengeance wrote: Asmodai is fething nuts lol. Like seriously mentally broken! Seriously, you'd think the Librarians would say something to Azrael about it.
Spoiler:
Sapphon passes Boreas' message on to Astelan
And still that has value in itself, as even Sapphon admits. Asmodai has the respect of the rank and file and he is the best in the torture chamber. Only.. let's say.. a wee bit.. focused?
Anyway, I want Sapphon in the new Dex! Some kinky rules, showing his mental fortitude and his ability to inspire the marines around him. Maybe his willingness to tread less doctrinated paths. They really could flesh out Asmodai in that regard (providing a 6" hatred bubble to Dark Angels?) and as an opposite give Sapphon the other way around (like fearless in 6-12")
angelofvengeance wrote: Asmodai is fething nuts lol. Like seriously mentally broken! Seriously, you'd think the Librarians would say something to Azrael about it.
Spoiler:
Sapphon passes Boreas' message on to Astelan
And still that has value in itself, as even Sapphon admits. Asmodai has the respect of the rank and file and he is the best in the torture chamber. Only.. let's say.. a wee bit.. focused?
Anyway, I want Sapphon in the new Dex! Some kinky rules, showing his mental fortitude and his ability to inspire the marines around him. Maybe his willingness to tread less doctrinated paths. They really could flesh out Asmodai in that regard (providing a 6" hatred bubble to Dark Angels?) and as an opposite give Sapphon the other way around (like fearless in 6-12")
You mean in the way the Dante and Seth are polar opposites of each other?
Revenant78 wrote: If anything the space marine plastic commander is older now too and that is something that needs a bit of an upgrade unless this whole release is a tie over till a real DA tactical squad or simply for upgrading pads themselves and failcrap pads get phased out and metal run out...some of it is quite puzzling due to option choices and bits in general.
Just put DA transfers on regular tactical Marines, that's how you get a DA tactical squad. Or is there some fluff I missed that dictates that every single Dark Angels Marine wears a full robe and hood now?
We don't really need a unique tactical squad box for every chapter, and especially not before other races get their ancient plastic troop boxes replaced. Between the new upgrade sprue and existing kits like the veterans I think DA have more than enough options, and I fail to see what a DA-specific tactical squad would provide that the new upgrade sprue doesn't. Unless you want them to go over-the-top like GW did with the equally unnecessary BA tactical squad and put chapter-specific icons and bits on literally everything so that every lowly tactical Marine is decked out like a captain. It's stuff like this that really makes me think Marine players are just spoiled rotten.
Exactly this and if anything DA is the one chapter that deserved it most, as for many many years our tactical has been ignored, the last time that I'm aware we got anything was the metal vet sgt in the plastic hybrid box when the first metal robed guys came out, I still remember it was around 1992 or late 91 that GW released the metal tac boxes DA came last I think and the rest of them really were blinged out for the time period. Fast forward to now and DA outside of ravenwing and deathguard still has the lowest options for tacs...I'm not saying they deserve it nor does any marine chapter, but if we look at all of them...including ultramarines DA has the least visual options for tacs if you do not count DV ( I'm not simply because those are static and we got static ultras last time and before that too ).
Sure I could buy 20 or so metal tactical shoulder pads ( if they don't go oop soon ) and 2 upgrade sprues and a ultramarines tactical squad, but it's still not the same and in fact would cost more than any of the other tactical marines boxes, the BA and SW tactical boxes are how you do it right, keep in mind how old the BADC box is now and how blinged out that still is, the SW one is similar and well yea...now of course DA is noted for DW and RW and I won't fault GW in that area for those options but I really would like a dedicated DA tactical box to bling out assault, tactical and dev marines with.
On the flip side if you want to go really fluffy DA and limit yourself with plasma only, you can easily fill out a DA tactical company for some 60 odd dollars..maybe 100 if you go devs and assault with nothing but plasma, this would be next to impossible to do with that money on any other marines, the downside is you would have to accept your 8 pc and 6 plasma tacticals in mono pose, but it is indeed so cheap that you might as well get them before DV is finally gone just to have for those what the hell days lets do an entire company for dirt cheap, which is sorta what I am doing half done now.
Chaos badly needs an update in 40k, I organized my noise marine plastic metal hybrids last night and ugh those marines are ugly as hell and really showing their age, the detail is crap on them. Seems like we will be getting that sometime in autumn, there is other armies who need stuff ( I play deathskulls, dark angels and nurgle for 40k ) and I would finally like the ork boyz to be redone and chaos since I feel those two troops need it most right now.
jreilly89 wrote: Here's to hoping for some much needed rules changes and price drops.
Considering that the DA codex is coming second, it is quite possible that stuff will be reasonably priced compared to the C:SM. Which just irritates me as a BA player.
jreilly89 wrote: Here's to hoping for some much needed rules changes and price drops.
In points or dollars? The former is likely but the latter is pretty much impossible. The slow inevitable decline of your points will probably continue only because it benefits GW, not because of any balance reasons since they're doing it to everyone. Pretty much all my old 3rd edition 1850pt lists are just over 1500pts now.
pretre wrote: Ugh, I hope you can arm swap that Powerfist.
If its a clamp pack don't count on it.
Krom was basically a clam and he had easy arm swaps. That the last plastic character I bought.
Most of the clam characters can be customized well. All of the BA ones can. The clam PA librarian can as well. The only one I know of that can't be customized well is the clam pack Captain, since he has the Combi-Grav attached directly to his torso.
I do like the look of that Interrogator Chaplain, not quite as sold on the look of the Terminator Librarian.
On a side note, I find it odd that the Terminator Librarian is a differnt paint job in the full size picture compared to the detail shots (guess it is just to show the different loadouts).
chaplain is cool, but not 40$ cool (but then, not a lot if these clampack are worth the price they're asking, bar a few wxception su as the haemoculus),
The librarian is pretty much a waste of ressources.You could make a better TDA lib than this by using the grey knights termitators kit.
n Darktalon/Nephilim Kits in a Darkwing Formation.
Land Speeder formations.
Bikes with RWCS and Sammael.
Belial with DWCS and DWK Formation.
Maybe some Chaplain stuff for CSM special rules.
pretre wrote: Ugh, I hope you can arm swap that Powerfist.
If its a clamp pack don't count on it.
Krom was basically a clam and he had easy arm swaps. That the last plastic character I bought.
Most of the clam characters can be customized well. All of the BA ones can. The clam PA librarian can as well. The only one I know of that can't be customized well is the clam pack Captain, since he has the Combi-Grav attached directly to his torso.
Yeah, the position of that powerfist makes it appear to be easy to be changed for something else, too. But, is the DA chaplain allowed to take other stuff? I can't recall.
pretre wrote: Ugh, I hope you can arm swap that Powerfist.
If its a clamp pack don't count on it.
Krom was basically a clam and he had easy arm swaps. That the last plastic character I bought.
Most of the clam characters can be customized well. All of the BA ones can. The clam PA librarian can as well. The only one I know of that can't be customized well is the clam pack Captain, since he has the Combi-Grav attached directly to his torso.
Yeah, the position of that powerfist makes it appear to be easy to be changed for something else, too. But, is the DA chaplain allowed to take other stuff? I can't recall.
In the current DA dex Chaplain does have access to other gear, so it is possible to swap the PF for something else.
That's because there will be no major changes - at all. DA might or might not get some updates equipment-wise (e.g. devastators with gravguns etc) but there will probably be no major, earth-shattering change to them. I bet you could basically use the old codex with some pencilmarked updates here and there.
Here is what I want, then what I think will actually happen.
Dw terminators point drop across the board
New relics
Point drops for existing ones
Grav weapons
Dw vet centurions (this would be a no brainer for gw)
Both land speeders slightly adjusted
Fixing the flyers
Drop price of rw Drop price of special characters
10pt Plasma guns
What will probably happen is
No change in cost of dw No dw terminator captain
And basically none of the above
I'm hoping though, really hoping, as my mate told me that apparently all the marine codexs are being worked one at the same time to bring a little consistency, but will have staggered release.
@Formosa: Why would you need a DW terminator captain? You can make any DW Terminator into one as there's plenty of bling on that kit. Plus all Company Masters are members of the Deathwing anyways.
I don't want belial, I want to be able to take a dw Terminator chapter master/captain and a ravenwing one, as in has their own special rules for being dw and ravenwing.
Precision strike and shot for dw Precise shot for rw and auto pass hit and run
From the looks of it, the special formations from C:SM are Demi-Companies. There is no real reason the Gladius Strike Force won't work for DA. They will probably have something similar, if not identical, to it for DA. The bikes formation favored by White Scars sounds suspiciously similar to the Ravenwing.
I think the DA will get 3 base formations for their decurion (wonder when there will be a generic name for that lol). One for green guys, one for RW and one for DW that will then have the ability to tack on more stuff.
I predict a demi company for the base chapter
The RW will probably be sammael plus a command squad and 3ish RW squads.
The DW would be something like beliel a command squad and 2 or 3 DW squads
I think the fancy stuff will be add on formations like speeders and DWK/RWBK.
Despite having sworn off GW purchases since the Eldar debacle, I am mildly excited to see if my first and for most favorite and ride or die army RW will finally not be garbage. This just might be the codex that breaks the curse, as it finally isn't going to be the CSM test bed.
....of course now that I have my hopes up....it will be utter trash and I will be forced to continue my moratorium on GW expenditure -__-.
I too believe they will get 3 main decurion detachments: RW, DW and greenwing.
I always envisioned DA being the "shootier" very of space marines, like how SW and BA are the choppy. Our chapter specific rule could reflect that.
Azrael will be a lord of war, and I'm hoping he's more of a utility person than a combat machine, but I'll be alright if he is.
Tank formations seem to be likely, as well as some sort of land speeder one for RW.
Also hoping our physic discipline will be useful.
Here's to hoping!
casvalremdeikun wrote: From the looks of it, the special formations from C:SM are Demi-Companies. There is no real reason the Gladius Strike Force won't work for DA. They will probably have something similar, if not identical, to it for DA. The bikes formation favored by White Scars sounds suspiciously similar to the Ravenwing.
I'm actually expecting that the ones in the Space Marine codex will allow any faction of Adeptus Astartes to be able to use them, and the Dark Angels will get a minidex like Skitarrii/Harlequins. The minidex with have a few formations/detachments of its own, but can use the parent Gladius detachment as well.
casvalremdeikun wrote: From the looks of it, the special formations from C:SM are Demi-Companies. There is no real reason the Gladius Strike Force won't work for DA. They will probably have something similar, if not identical, to it for DA. The bikes formation favored by White Scars sounds suspiciously similar to the Ravenwing.
I'm actually expecting that the ones in the Space Marine codex will allow any faction of Adeptus Astartes to be able to use them, and the Dark Angels will get a minidex like Skitarrii/Harlequins. The minidex with have a few formations/detachments of its own, but can use the parent Gladius detachment as well.
Probably going to be the case. Hope BA and DA can benefit from the changes to the regular Space Marine codex. The DA and BA have cool toys of their own that make me not want to just run them as a regular Space Marine army (I don't have any DA, but if I did I would want to play DA not "DA").
Formosa wrote: I don't want belial, I want to be able to take a dw Terminator chapter master/captain and a ravenwing one, as in has their own special rules for being dw and ravenwing.
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Um... those don't exist.
Deathwing is a 100 guys. The Chaptermaster is Azrael. The Captain of the Deathwing is Belial. The Captain of the Ravewing is Sammael. Other Captains don't exist who lead those guys.
It's like saying I want a grey/white Wizard in LoTR leading the Fellowship, but not Gandalf, but with the same rules as Gandalf. Doesn't make much sense. The Wizard of the Fellowship simply was Gandalf. If you want some alternative universe / marvel ultimate stuff, where the Deathwing is lead by another first captain, just house-rule it, no?
Formosa wrote: I don't want belial, I want to be able to take a dw Terminator chapter master/captain and a ravenwing one, as in has their own special rules for being dw and ravenwing. .
Um... those don't exist.
Deathwing is a 100 guys. The Chaptermaster is Azrael. The Captain of the Deathwing is Belial. The Captain of the Ravewing is Sammael. Other Captains don't exist who lead those guys.
It's like saying I want a grey/white Wizard in LoTR leading the Fellowship, but not Gandalf, but with the same rules as Gandalf. Doesn't make much sense. The Wizard of the Fellowship simply was Gandalf. If you want some alternative universe / marvel ultimate stuff, where the Deathwing is lead by another first captain, just house-rule it, no?
Actually, no one outside of the Inner Circle knows how big the Deathwing company is.
Formosa wrote: I don't want belial, I want to be able to take a dw Terminator chapter master/captain and a ravenwing one, as in has their own special rules for being dw and ravenwing.
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Um... those don't exist.
Deathwing is a 100 guys. The Chaptermaster is Azrael. The Captain of the Deathwing is Belial. The Captain of the Ravewing is Sammael. Other Captains don't exist who lead those guys.
It's like saying I want a grey/white Wizard in LoTR leading the Fellowship, but not Gandalf, but with the same rules as Gandalf. Doesn't make much sense. The Wizard of the Fellowship simply was Gandalf. If you want some alternative universe / marvel ultimate stuff, where the Deathwing is lead by another first captain, just house-rule it, no?
I think the issue here is that Codex: DA is used for all of the unforgiven, meaning Dark Angels and their successors. Most of which operate their own Wings (Death, Raven, Iron etc), so if running a successor chapter it would be nice to make your own Deathwing Captain rather than a not-belial clone.
casvalremdeikun wrote: From the looks of it, the special formations from C:SM are Demi-Companies. There is no real reason the Gladius Strike Force won't work for DA. They will probably have something similar, if not identical, to it for DA. The bikes formation favored by White Scars sounds suspiciously similar to the Ravenwing.
I'm actually expecting that the ones in the Space Marine codex will allow any faction of Adeptus Astartes to be able to use them, and the Dark Angels will get a minidex like Skitarrii/Harlequins. The minidex with have a few formations/detachments of its own, but can use the parent Gladius detachment as well.
Then it wouldn't be "like the Skitarii/Harlequins" as you don't have to own any other books to utilize them.
Formosa wrote: I don't want belial, I want to be able to take a dw Terminator chapter master/captain and a ravenwing one, as in has their own special rules for being dw and ravenwing.
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Um... those don't exist.
Deathwing is a 100 guys. The Chaptermaster is Azrael. The Captain of the Deathwing is Belial. The Captain of the Ravewing is Sammael. Other Captains don't exist who lead those guys.
It's like saying I want a grey/white Wizard in LoTR leading the Fellowship, but not Gandalf, but with the same rules as Gandalf. Doesn't make much sense. The Wizard of the Fellowship simply was Gandalf. If you want some alternative universe / marvel ultimate stuff, where the Deathwing is lead by another first captain, just house-rule it, no?
Yes they exist, kinda shocked you said that, bon and Sammy are the current leaders of the respective wings, do they also lead all the successor chapters? Have they had their jobs since the heresy, no, so give me the option of a custom master of the ravenwing and Deathwing, also the chapter master option, space marines can rock 2 in the same game so don't give me nonsense about "Azrael" blah blah Blah, I want the options, not cookie cutter crap that gw half arsed hands me.
Well, Belial, Sammy, and Azrael are the current one and only leaders of the chapter, first and second companies... so yea no options for other company masters of those respective companies... and third and following companies have no terminator armour.
Since you bring up second founding chapters... the codex lets you use belial's stats for a first company master of a successor chapter... just like many use deathwing stats for angels of vengeance terminators, or Ravenwing stats for angels of absolution second company folk.
I agree that i wish our terminator captain had more options, but if we want other terminator captain options we should play space marines or blood angels
casvalremdeikun wrote: From the looks of it, the special formations from C:SM are Demi-Companies. There is no real reason the Gladius Strike Force won't work for DA. They will probably have something similar, if not identical, to it for DA. The bikes formation favored by White Scars sounds suspiciously similar to the Ravenwing.
I'm actually expecting that the ones in the Space Marine codex will allow any faction of Adeptus Astartes to be able to use them, and the Dark Angels will get a minidex like Skitarrii/Harlequins. The minidex with have a few formations/detachments of its own, but can use the parent Gladius detachment as well.
Then it wouldn't be "like the Skitarii/Harlequins" as you don't have to own any other books to9 utilize them.
I that's what I meant. The book will have everything you need to play Dark Angels, but if you want to use the Gladius detachment or any of the Formations, then you need the Space Marine book.
casvalremdeikun wrote: From the looks of it, the special formations from C:SM are Demi-Companies. There is no real reason the Gladius Strike Force won't work for DA. They will probably have something similar, if not identical, to it for DA. The bikes formation favored by White Scars sounds suspiciously similar to the Ravenwing.
I'm actually expecting that the ones in the Space Marine codex will allow any faction of Adeptus Astartes to be able to use them, and the Dark Angels will get a minidex like Skitarrii/Harlequins. The minidex with have a few formations/detachments of its own, but can use the parent Gladius detachment as well.
Then it wouldn't be "like the Skitarii/Harlequins" as you don't have to own any other books to9 utilize them.
I that's what I meant. The book will have everything you need to play Dark Angels, but if you want to use the Gladius detachment or any of the Formations, then you need the Space Marine book.
That's not how either of those books work, so I would suggest a different comparison.
455_PWR wrote: Well, Belial, Sammy, and Azrael are the current one and only leaders of the chapter, first and second companies... so yea no options for other company masters of those respective companies... and third and following companies have no terminator armour.
Since you bring up second founding chapters... the codex lets you use belial's stats for a first company master of a successor chapter... just like many use deathwing stats for angels of vengeance terminators, or Ravenwing stats for angels of absolution second company folk.
I agree that i wish our terminator captain had more options, but if we want other terminator captain options we should play space marines or blood angels
I understand what your saying but I disagree, I have had to be stuck with Bob and Sammy since 4th, I don't want mediocre special characters to play my army, I want my own custom mediocre character as master of the ravenwing, just make a bike for a captain cost 30pts and have plasma talons, teleport homer and hit and run, terminator armour is overcosted so doesn't need a change for a master of Deathwing upgrade that could have precise strike as part of the rules, it's simple and fluffy, I'm not asking too much for the option not to have to take the special characters.
Formosa, I said in my earlier post that I agree with you that I wish we had more options; what I was saying is that GW has not structured us that way since the weakest 4th edition codex... codex dark angels (thanks JJ).
I have been playing Dark Angels since the end of second edition (ah yes, glorious third edition... when deathwing were freaking GREAT). In third we could make a terminator captain, kit him with special gear, and take two heavies per terminator squad.
I remember the good old times and wishlist along with you, but I don't think GW will deviate from their DA structure now that they have ingrained it into the fluff. Hell it would be cool to take Belial and kit him out with a combi bolter and relic sword, or a storm shield and his special blade... but I'm sure it won't happen in my lifetime.
Just when I thought Plasma would be making a (begrudging) come back, and I wouldn't have to stub myself every time for modeling plasma bikers, grav wing bikers are likely the new hotness again.... without actually getting hot....
Nightlord1987 wrote: Just when I thought Plasma would be making a (begrudging) come back, and I wouldn't have to stub myself every time for modeling plasma bikers, grav wing bikers are likely the new hotness again.... without actually getting hot....
No guarantee that Dark Angels Bikers will get grav actually.
They would have to repackage the Ravenwing Command Squad/Ravenwing Bike Squad/Ravenwing Knight box to include the grav stuff...and I just can't see that happening.
Devastators and Tactical Squads is an entirely different story, as the basic kits for those come with it.
No problem. Saw it on Facebook and checked the AU site. Glad to see that it's being included in the pictures, hopefully it makes it into the codex. Would be a nice addition, along with centurions (but I'm just dreaming and hoping we get those).
I wouldn't count on custom Chapter Masters or highly customizable Company Masters being a thing. BA only got Dante and Gabriel Seth for Chapter Masters and no way to make a unique one. Captain/Company Masters are just not very unique.
I'll be watching this release a little closer than SM as I am putting aside my Angels of Absolution force as a small army I can whip out whenever I start playing.
It's nearly large and diverse enough to go already, but I'd like to field a few more diverse options.
Grav bikes would be nice. But over all plasma buffs is the dream.
The upgrade kit seems a little weak compared to the old one.
The ravenwing upgrade kit is still around right? Not the headlights, but the bits etc?
The DA Box doesn't quite seem like good enough value at €80. Not quite tempted to buy it when I don't even have the big rule book. I could buy DV again, get softback rules and more Chaos for cheaper.
My main hope is that there's some "get's hot" modifier relic. If not removing it, then a protection against the wound or some such...
I like the aesthetic, and I like the rapid fire plasma's on Ravenwing, but when it comes to a useless speeder and a heavy weapon that's nearly suicide for troops, Plasma just doesn't work.
I know it's arcane and they barely understand it but, it's just laughable that an army that takes so much blows up all the time. And yet Grav, which has be "re-discovered" could be making an army wide appearance as if it wasn't a big deal...
@DefiantLambdas - Seeing as Mechanicus has a get-rid-of-gets-hot, it would be very nice to see Dark Angels with it too (and arguably, much more useful).
I had a thought about this (based upon absolutely nothing solid, so take it for what it is worth).
It would be quite a clever idea of GW's if they released the Space marine Codex (next week) and then released Codex: Dark Angels as a small £20 Codex, a la Skitarii. Use the Space Marine Codex (so we need to buy two books), have a list of what we cannot touch (Chapter Tactics, this character here, here and here), and add a handful of new units and formations.
Job done.
Keeps us Dark Angels current with regular Marines, gives us access to their formations and squadrons (I quite like the idea of Demi Companies and Predator Squadrons), but we retain our own flavour.
MongooseMatt wrote: I had a thought about this (based upon absolutely nothing solid, so take it for what it is worth).
It would be quite a clever idea of GW's if they released the Space marine Codex (next week) and then released Codex: Dark Angels as a small £20 Codex, a la Skitarii. Use the Space Marine Codex (so we need to buy two books), have a list of what we cannot touch (Chapter Tactics, this character here, here and here), and add a handful of new units and formations.
Job done.
Keeps us Dark Angels current with regular Marines, gives us access to their formations and squadrons (I quite like the idea of Demi Companies and Predator Squadrons), but we retain our own flavour.
A win for us?
Why do that when they could make a regular sized book and charge us regular sized prices?
I hope GW finally puts out a good, balanced DA book, but I'm a little skeptical as the new C:SM seems to have copy/pasted the other book while throwing in formations and giving out free dedicated transports.
My hope is that they actually take the time to adjust the points for most of the units.
MongooseMatt wrote: I had a thought about this (based upon absolutely nothing solid, so take it for what it is worth).
It would be quite a clever idea of GW's if they released the Space marine Codex (next week) and then released Codex: Dark Angels as a small £20 Codex, a la Skitarii. Use the Space Marine Codex (so we need to buy two books), have a list of what we cannot touch (Chapter Tactics, this character here, here and here), and add a handful of new units and formations.
Job done.
Keeps us Dark Angels current with regular Marines, gives us access to their formations and squadrons (I quite like the idea of Demi Companies and Predator Squadrons), but we retain our own flavour.
A win for us?
Well, that would hardly be new, so much as it would be returning to the 3rd edition mini-dex. However, I think those were great, both as a way of expanding rules and since it would allow the other books to stay consistent (no need to have DA, BA, SW, and SM drop pod where there'd be an inconsistency when one was updated).
I'm not sure you could do a "mini" codex for DA at this point as there are more DA specific units they any "mini" codex.
You could just have add on rules for DW and RW for sure bit keep them using the base CSM rules for sure. But then you still have RWBK/DWK/two DA landspeeders/2 DA flyers/5 special characters/Interrogator Chaps/DW and RWBK command squads and company veterans.
So I would gladly drop company veterans for stern and van guards. Interrogator Chaps could just be a quick upgrade to regular chaplains I suppose.
I would rather not buy 2 books and likely wouldn't do it. I buy the DA book and hope RW rules are contained fully in it. But if the DA book was just a port of the CSM book with certain things swapped out and DA specifics added in plus DA specific formations I could be cool with that.
The only hope I have is for RW not to have the Sammael tax to run. Or at least Sammael to actually mesh with RW instead of standing out like a sore thumb.
MongooseMatt wrote: I had a thought about this (based upon absolutely nothing solid, so take it for what it is worth).
It would be quite a clever idea of GW's if they released the Space marine Codex (next week) and then released Codex: Dark Angels as a small £20 Codex, a la Skitarii. Use the Space Marine Codex (so we need to buy two books), have a list of what we cannot touch (Chapter Tactics, this character here, here and here), and add a handful of new units and formations.
Job done.
Keeps us Dark Angels current with regular Marines, gives us access to their formations and squadrons (I quite like the idea of Demi Companies and Predator Squadrons), but we retain our own flavour.
A win for us?
Well, that would hardly be new, so much as it would be returning to the 3rd edition mini-dex. However, I think those were great, both as a way of expanding rules and since it would allow the other books to stay consistent (no need to have DA, BA, SW, and SM drop pod where there'd be an inconsistency when one was updated).
Just giving Dark Angels a set of Chapter tactics of their own would lock out all the other special characters by default.
The teaser page in the next White Dwarf Weekly magazine has been leaked (in german actually). It could be that Dark Angels may not come next week. A loose translation
- Hall/Chamber of Heroes (seems to be a focus on 'legendary' Marine kits or character models as part of their Citadel Hall of Fame series)
- Bits and glue
- Forgeworld
It does not rule out Dark Angels at the end of June, obviously
See my post above And it does not rule out DA preorder next week. I think it will be at 27th of June. But the gakky german translation on the teaser page can by anything, next week DA is possible, although not likely
Warhams-77 wrote: See my post above And it does not rule out DA preorder next week. I think it will be at 27th of June. But the gakky german translation on the teaser page can by anything, next week DA is possible, although not likely
Warhams you Schlingel. Ok missed it, sorry. Of course it doesn't mean DA are impossible next week but according to the hints it seem unlikely.
Warhams-77 wrote: The teaser page in the next White Dwarf Weekly magazine has been leaked (in german actually). It could be that Dark Angels may not come next week. A loose translation
- Hall/Chamber of Heroes (seems to be a focus on 'legendary' Marine kits or character models as part of their Citadel Hall of Fame series)
- Bits and glue
- Forgeworld
It does not rule out Dark Angels at the end of June, obviously
From a quick google search and hit on the 40k wikia, the Hall of Heroes is in the Imperial Palace apparently. I'm not sure if that hints at something or they just decided to reuse the name for something else.
The grand hallway of the Inner Palace that leads to the Eternity Gate, called the Hall of Heroes, is filled with the banners of every Imperial Guard Regiment and Space Marine Chapter that has ever loyally served the Emperor. At the end of the Hall of Heroes lies the Eternity Gate itself, forged of adamantium that has been heavily layered with ceramite to provide extra protection from weapons fire.
but has to be soon. we have the upgrade sprue, new battleforce, pics at the back of WD...it's for sure coming and with the strength of the new SM codex, I have high hopes
Warhams-77 wrote: See my post above And it does not rule out DA preorder next week. I think it will be at 27th of June. But the gakky german translation on the teaser page can by anything, next week DA is possible, although not likely
Warhams you Schlingel. Ok missed it, sorry. Of course it doesn't mean DA are impossible next week but according to the hints it seem unlikely.
We do not forgive - but you repented with words and deeds and you shall be safe for now
Actually I think we now have solved the 'excess of release week'-puzzle. DA Codex Preorder at June 27th, DA character model and some unknown stuff on the 20th (?), 'til WFB9 preorder in July.
Edit: @Warboss Yes that Hall of Heroes could be meant
I'm not sure if this release will bring me back to 40k or not...I'm leaning towards not...BUT, I love my scouts, and if they are getting a WS/BS bump to 4 AND if we finally get the scout transport speeder, I MIGHT relent....come on, the chapter with an all Bike/Speeder company doesn't have a few LS Storms laying around?
DA Scouts in the backfield are not against the fluff. And with BS4 they could work as reliable backfield snipers as well. LS Storms are battle-brothers with DA, just use them as allies or with a 2nd detachment. I guess the exclusion is just to make each book 'special'.
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Warhams-77 wrote: DA Scouts in the backfield are not against the fluff. And with BS4 they could work as reliable backfield snipers as well. LS Storms are battle-brothers with DA, just use them as allies or with a 2nd detachment. I guess the exclusion is just to make each book 'special'.
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But No Tac squad. Either allowing you to build a DA force with all the required kits, including upgrade sprue, or holding out on a possible DATac Squad. Considering scouts are universal-ish, adding them, but not tacs leaves "All you DA needs" as a update a little hollow. So DA tacs, although no source has ever indicated a possibility, could be showing up.
I can't wait to read about possible formations.
So far Vanilla rumours are not as buffed by formations in Bike Love as other toys. White Scars and DA Ravenwing need some bike mayhem and firepower.
I don't think he was, I know I wasn't, arguing that a chapter tactic would be all it takes. A chapter tactic, the characters, a few bits of wargear, and something like 7 unit entries would be what an expansion need would to cover DA vs. regular marines. Easily the size of one of those 20-ish page expansions they did in 3rd.
But No Tac squad. Either allowing you to build a DA force with all the required kits, including upgrade sprue, or holding out on a possible DATac Squad. Considering scouts are universal-ish, adding them, but not tacs leaves "All you DA needs" as a update a little hollow. So DA tacs, although no source has ever indicated a possibility, could be showing up.
I can't wait to read about possible formations.
So far Vanilla rumours are not as buffed by formations in Bike Love as other toys. White Scars and DA Ravenwing need some bike mayhem and firepower.
Actually, Dark Angels Tactical Squad was found by Atia on B&C as a viable redirect link a week or so ago. Those redirects have turned out as pretty solid predictors of future kits, though they don't indicate an exact timeframe. Anyways, it's been mentioned as a possibility before but mostly forgotten in the Codex Space Marines excitement.
But No Tac squad. Either allowing you to build a DA force with all the required kits, including upgrade sprue, or holding out on a possible DATac Squad. Considering scouts are universal-ish, adding them, but not tacs leaves "All you DA needs" as a update a little hollow. So DA tacs, although no source has ever indicated a possibility, could be showing up.
I can't wait to read about possible formations.
So far Vanilla rumours are not as buffed by formations in Bike Love as other toys. White Scars and DA Ravenwing need some bike mayhem and firepower.
Actually, Dark Angels Tactical Squad was found by Atia on B&C as a viable redirect link a week or so ago. Those redirects have turned out as pretty solid predictors of future kits, though they don't indicate an exact timeframe. Anyways, it's been mentioned as a possibility before but mostly forgotten in the Codex Space Marines excitement.
Yea whisperer of truth or whoever posts on here randomly and has said that a DAtac box has been made but had no idea on the timeframe.
Now that that's out of the way... I'm looking at my DA codex and I see my Deathwing Squad entry as 220 pts. Were they really 20 pts more expensive than vanilla terminators... for twin-linked storm-bolters?
I never bought the 6th Ed SM codex, so that's why I'm asking. Because otherwise it is much more than a 5ppm break.
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DA termies are Fearless, have split fire and reroll misses after deep strike. They also were able to mix close combat weapons in their squads. I don't have the SM codex, but I believe those are the main differences.
bullyboy wrote: DA termies are Fearless, have split fire and reroll misses after deep strike. They also were able to mix close combat weapons in their squads. I don't have the SM codex, but I believe those are the main differences.
Yes, DA termies are far more versatile than Vanilla termies. But hopefully Deathwing will see a small price reduction as well.
bullyboy wrote: DA termies are Fearless, have split fire and reroll misses after deep strike. They also were able to mix close combat weapons in their squads. I don't have the SM codex, but I believe those are the main differences.
Plus they automatically arrive via DS on turn 1 or turn 2, your choice.
bullyboy wrote: DA termies are Fearless, have split fire and reroll misses after deep strike. They also were able to mix close combat weapons in their squads. I don't have the SM codex, but I believe those are the main differences.
Yes, DA termies are far more versatile than Vanilla termies. But hopefully Deathwing will see a small price reduction as well.
bullyboy wrote: DA termies are Fearless, have split fire and reroll misses after deep strike. They also were able to mix close combat weapons in their squads. I don't have the SM codex, but I believe those are the main differences.
Yes, DA termies are far more versatile than Vanilla termies. But hopefully Deathwing will see a small price reduction as well.
Indeed. Gimme a reason to paint up some more DWK!
Dw termies should be 35 like the vanilla ones, they get free stuff, so should we, knights should be 38-40 and th/S's 45 like the vanilla ones, I'm sick to the back teeth of paying more for the same terminators with rules that Hardly ever matter or are a hindrance, like fearless.
Oh and if any termies should get dual weapons at 5men, let it be dark angels!
Yea whisperer of truth or whoever posts on here randomly and has said that a DAtac box has been made but had no idea on the timeframe.
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As to the suggestion of Azrael, I'm going to post this here. I heard a little tidbit that contradicts some information I posted earlier.
Next 3 releases are still Eldar, TRUE DA, FALSE Tzeentch.
I've now heard the DATac. Squad isn't coming with this release. (Which in no way means the release list has changed, the release dates do NOT change. If isn't coming it simply isn't coming.)
The Chaplain I heard about is also apparently going to be released separately rather than in a box set as I thought originally.
It was specifically titled a "Interrogator Chaplain" rather than just DA Chaplain ala the Blood Angel Libarian. TRUE
So as far as I know the release will just be a new Chaplain and Codex.
so, what do you expect to do with your DAs when the codex drops?
I have quite a mix of green/death/ravenwing all at the unpainted stage ready for this release. I'll probably start with a generic formation/CAD before specializing in Ravenwing or Deathwing. I guess picking up some dev sqds for grav will be in order, but not sure from there what else I will be doing.
can't wait until we start seeing some genuine leaks regarding this release
bullyboy wrote: so, what do you expect to do with your DAs when the codex drops?
I have quite a mix of green/death/ravenwing all at the unpainted stage ready for this release. I'll probably start with a generic formation/CAD before specializing in Ravenwing or Deathwing. I guess picking up some dev sqds for grav will be in order, but not sure from there what else I will be doing.
can't wait until we start seeing some genuine leaks regarding this release
I'm leaning more towards Ravenwing, but Deathwing Knights are my favorite models so it's still up in the air for me. Regardless, I'm holding off buying anything until I see what changes have been made.
I have 38 Deathwing dudes that want to see the table so bad.
I'm not opposed to having more Ravenwing, but the PA dudes, I could forego. Scouts, maybe? Pods? I'd like to have a bunch of pods. I think. I don't know how they work anymore.
Caution: Wish-listing Incoming I would love to see Ravenwing formation that grants hit-and-run in addition to skilled rider to all bikes, not just command squad, black knights, and HQ on bikes.
I can live without bikes getting access to grav while it would be pimp if DW was allowed to take it.
I would like a points drop for Sammael with a 2+ armor and maybe let him fire his plasma cannon even if jinked...lordy I love that model.
Speaking of models, I would buy GW out of the DA flyer kits if only they had rules to make the worth taking!
The deathwing knights are an amazing kit but after you pop the smite mode the only thing they are good at killing is CSM. The least they could do change the Mace to AP3 in normal mode.
Maybe give Azreal an AP2 weapon and EW but change up his 4++ to DA faction only.
I know what I'm probably gonna get is a normalizing of prices, some different relics and warlord table...but a boy can dream can't he!?
Any bets if the Dakka banner and PFG are going to still be the new dex?
Caution: Wish-listing Incoming I would love to see Ravenwing formation that grants hit-and-run in addition to skilled rider to all bikes, not just command squad, black knights, and HQ on bikes.
I can live without bikes getting access to grav while it would be pimp if DW was allowed to take it.
I would like a points drop for Sammael with a 2+ armor and maybe let him fire his plasma cannon even if jinked...lordy I love that model.
Speaking of models, I would buy GW out of the DA flyer kits if only they had rules to make the worth taking!
The deathwing knights are an amazing kit but after you pop the smite mode the only thing they are good at killing is CSM. The least they could do change the Mace to AP3 in normal mode.
Maybe give Azreal an AP2 weapon and EW but change up his 4++ to DA faction only.
I know what I'm probably gonna get is a normalizing of prices, some different relics and warlord table...but a boy can dream can't he!?
Any bets if the Dakka banner and PFG are going to still be the new dex?
I would love to see all of the above, especially the flyers being made usable in other than gimmick games. Although if I had my way, Azzy's 4++ would not be made DA only. If they did the mentioned buffs to Azrael, he would have to have a price hike and become a LOW instead of HQ. As for the last item, they had better not take out those things. Dakkabanner and PFG are something that make DA unique among space marines. They already nerfed the PFG into the ground, but it should stay in. I don't think they would remove the Dakkabanner entirely, but I can see them nerfing the hell out of it. After all, we don't want DA to be too OP, do we? (/sarcasm)
Azrael is temporarily out of stock. I normally don't read too much into that but he is in metal still. His current mini now still holds strong, but I would love for them to start updating the older character models. It seems like the last one was what, Santa Logan and Bjorn?
JuniorRS13 wrote: Azrael is temporarily out of stock. I normally don't read too much into that but he is in metal still. His current mini now still holds strong, but I would love for them to start updating the older character models. It seems like the last one was what, Santa Logan and Bjorn?
I wouldn't read much into it, since it's a "Temporarily Out Of Stock".
Read much into it when he vanishes off the site completely.
JuniorRS13 wrote: Azrael is temporarily out of stock. I normally don't read too much into that but he is in metal still. His current mini now still holds strong, but I would love for them to start updating the older character models. It seems like the last one was what, Santa Logan and Bjorn?
All of the BA characters went out of stock around the same time as they got their new codex. Would not read into it.
Predictions:
Azrael becomes LoW, loses ability to make DW and RW troops.
Belial and Sammael lose ability to make DW or RW troops.
Greenwing, Deathwing, and Ravenwing all get formations akin to the Demi-Battle Company. There will be a combined strike force that can take any two of Greenwing, Deathwing, or Ravenwing.
Points reductions will emulate C:SM.
Company Veterans will NOT get Sternguard Ammunition.
Hefty boost to both flyers alongside a points reduction.
JuniorRS13 wrote: Also, GW just rearranged the website so each army has all their options in the tab, but DA has no tactical marines.
Again, it's probably nothing, and it might just be that I have way too much time on my hands with no rumors.
Or because of the Adeptus Asartes tag they expect you to use the normal Tactical Marines (as they always have done) and mix and match in bits from the Veterans box.
The Dark Angels Codex books were removed from the GW webshop on Saturday. In the past this hinted at a Codex preorder the weekend afterwards. So Codex and Chaplain preorder will be at Saturday 20th of June - starting in the morning of each timezone.
Darnok rumored a Eldar Windrider Army boxed set between/after the Marine releases, which could still happen on June 27.
The Dark Angels have no Assault Squad in the webshop either. It could just be a mistake of the website team...
2 Units of Deathwing Terminators 2 Units of Ravenwing Bikes
Ravenwing Bikes may fire after turbo-boosting once per game Ravenwing Bikes may mark an enemy unit by firing at it
Deathwing Terminators may enter battle via Deep Strike in any turn after a unit is marked by Ravenwing bikes Deathwing Terminators gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit Deathwing Terminators may assault any marked unit from Deepstrike
Inner Circle Hunthammer Party
2 Units of Deathwing Knights 2 Units of Ravenwing Knights
Nominate a Character model in the opposing army as the target of the hunt, if character is slain in close combat by a unit from the Hunthammer Party gain D3 Victory Points
Ravenwing Knights may fire and charge after turbo-boosting once per game Ravenwing Knights gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit
Deathwing Knights may enter battle via Deep Strike once a unit is marked by Ravenwing Bike Squad or Ravenwing Knight Squad Deathwing Knights may assault any marked unit from reserves Deathwing Knights activate Smite mode on the turn they arrive and lasts until the following game turn (this does not affect their normal activation) Deathwing Knights gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit Fortress of Shields increases Invulnerable Save to 2+ in addition to +1 Toughness
JuniorRS13 wrote: Also, GW just rearranged the website so each army has all their options in the tab, but DA has no tactical marines.
Again, it's probably nothing, and it might just be that I have way too much time on my hands with no rumors.
I would love to see them release a Tactical Squad for the Dark Angels. All of the other non-Codex: Space Marines received them, DA should as well. The big DA upgrade set is gone of the site, so that could mean something...if they didn't have those little $13.50 sets out. Then again, so do the SW and BA, so hopefully they do end up releasing a DA Tactical squad with some robes and whatnot.
2 Units of Deathwing Terminators
2 Units of Ravenwing Bikes
Ravenwing Bikes may fire after turbo-boosting once per game
Ravenwing Bikes may mark an enemy unit by firing at it
Deathwing Terminators may enter battle via Deep Strike in any turn after a unit is marked by Ravenwing bikes
Deathwing Terminators gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit
Deathwing Terminators may assault any marked unit from Deepstrike
Inner Circle Hunthammer Party
2 Units of Deathwing Knights
2 Units of Ravenwing Knights
Nominate a Character model in the opposing army as the target of the hunt, if character is slain in close combat by a unit from the Hunthammer Party gain D3 Victory Points
Ravenwing Knights may fire and charge after turbo-boosting once per game
Ravenwing Knights gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit
Deathwing Knights may enter battle via Deep Strike once a unit is marked by Ravenwing Bike Squad or Ravenwing Knight Squad
Deathwing Knights may assault any marked unit from reserves
Deathwing Knights activate Smite mode on the turn they arrive and lasts until the following game turn (this does not affect their normal activation)
Deathwing Knights gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit
Fortress of Shields increases Invulnerable Save to 2+ in addition to +1 Toughness
These are some really nice rules. Do you have access to the new book?
2 Units of Deathwing Terminators
2 Units of Ravenwing Bikes
Ravenwing Bikes may fire after turbo-boosting once per game
Ravenwing Bikes may mark an enemy unit by firing at it
Deathwing Terminators may enter battle via Deep Strike in any turn after a unit is marked by Ravenwing bikes
Deathwing Terminators gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit
Deathwing Terminators may assault any marked unit from Deepstrike
Inner Circle Hunthammer Party
2 Units of Deathwing Knights
2 Units of Ravenwing Knights
Nominate a Character model in the opposing army as the target of the hunt, if character is slain in close combat by a unit from the Hunthammer Party gain D3 Victory Points
Ravenwing Knights may fire and charge after turbo-boosting once per game
Ravenwing Knights gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit
Deathwing Knights may enter battle via Deep Strike once a unit is marked by Ravenwing Bike Squad or Ravenwing Knight Squad
Deathwing Knights may assault any marked unit from reserves
Deathwing Knights activate Smite mode on the turn they arrive and lasts until the following game turn (this does not affect their normal activation)
Deathwing Knights gain re-rolls to hit and wound against any marked unit
Fortress of Shields increases Invulnerable Save to 2+ in addition to +1 Toughness
Can we not make crud up? It's bad enough what the rumor mongers make up.
I expect we should start seeing some decent info this week? Especially if pre-orders go up next Saturday. I think it's safe to assume that GW will want the codex out before the fantasy release.
bullyboy wrote: I expect we should start seeing some decent info this week? Especially if pre-orders go up next Saturday. I think it's safe to assume that GW will want the codex out before the fantasy release.
I would assume the codex will be up for preorder this upcoming Saturday, with a release the following weekend. The leaks should start to come in around Tuesday or Wednesday before the release.
This is kinda screwing me up, since I'm trying to set up my army now...
In any case I can only hope they keep the "X as troops" stuff or at least give flexible enough formations that it won't be a problem (since mine's based off the Azrael DeathRaven thing), if the new Codex is too much of a problem I'll just stick with the previous one and hope my opponents aren't too bothered.
But if I may truly wishlist I'd like to see it include rules for the Mortis Dreadnought and get a plastic model for that! Also this stuff about squads of 3 Dreads (I think) in the new Vanilla SM Codex would be cool.
If I got both of those, I'd immediately buy two Mortises right off the bat!
But if I may truly wishlist I'd like to see it include rules for the Mortis Dreadnought and get a plastic model for that! Also this stuff about squads of 3 Dreads (I think) in the new Vanilla SM Codex would be cool.
If I got both of those, I'd immediately buy two Mortises right off the bat!
Rules for the Mortis are free on Forgeworld website. I'm pretty sure we'l be able to take squads of Dreads/Tanks now just like C:SM. That'd be truly effed up if we couldnt
Anyone spy anything new in the model image? Not really spotting anything. That DA Chaplain is making me jealous, though. Might have to get one and turn those swords into blood drops or file the icons off and use him for my Crimson Fists. Very cool looking model.
Feels like we're just going to have a Necrons type release and just have a character, codex and tactical objective cards. Maybe Caliban Green spray too?
angelofvengeance wrote: Feels like we're just going to have a Necrons type release and just have a character, codex and tactical objective cards. Maybe Caliban Green spray too?
Possibly. And given that the new C:SM stuff like Assault Squads, Devastators, and Librarians came out, there isn't a whole lot of need for new stuff. They likely won't release any sort of Tactical Squad, though I could see them bundling the Tactical Squad and Dark Angels Upgrade Sprue together as a web bundle.
I am not really a rumour source, but this has just come through from the GW sales team;
A 160-page full colour hardback codex. The most comprehensive Dark Angels codex ever, which includes three new Dark Angels Detachments, 6 formations of and Tactical Objectives, plus Warlord Traits and Chapter Relics. This new codex gives the player the opportunity to build their own Deathwing and Ravenwing formations, from the extensive range of available miniatures.
It is a £35 Codex. Looks like Dark Angels are getting the royal treatment (at last)!
Son. Of. A. Bitch. They might have finally done it. They may have finally made Dark Angels a good chapters. And here I am with my Red Marines sitting in the corner. At least I have my Crimson Fists!
I wonder how hard it will be to make my Blood Angels are "Dark Angels Successor".
casvalremdeikun wrote: Son. Of. A. Bitch. They might have finally done it. They may have finally made Dark Angels a good chapters. And here I am with my Red Marines sitting in the corner. At least I have my Crimson Fists!
I wonder how hard it will be to make my Blood Angels are "Dark Angels Successor".
If the unthinkable happens and this time DA will be C:SM+1 instead of -1 I will shed a few manly tears for the Lion and the Emperor. Best not to get too excited yet, they might screw this up so badly. And oh come on, you know you secretly want to put on your bathrobe over your power armour and smite heretics and xenos alike with all the fury of Caliban! There'd be some poetic justice in seeing all the vanilla marine players using the new DA codex... BA deserve better than smurfs so maybe they'll get FAQ'd some day?(yeah right, as if that's going to happen.)
casvalremdeikun wrote: Son. Of. A. Bitch. They might have finally done it. They may have finally made Dark Angels a good chapters. And here I am with my Red Marines sitting in the corner. At least I have my Crimson Fists!
I wonder how hard it will be to make my Blood Angels are "Dark Angels Successor".
If the unthinkable happens and this time DA will be C:SM+1 instead of -1 I will shed a few manly tears for the Lion and the Emperor. Best not to get too excited yet, they might screw this up so badly. And oh come on, you know you secretly want to put on your bathrobe over your power armour and smite heretics and xenos alike with all the fury of Caliban! There'd be some poetic justice in seeing all the vanilla marine players using the new DA codex... BA deserve better than smurfs so maybe they'll get FAQ'd some day?(yeah right, as if that's going to happen.)
I highly doubt anything good will happen to BA any time soon. I would be happy if DA end up just on par with C:SM.
steelreign wrote:[ Rules for the Mortis are free on Forgeworld website. I'm pretty sure we'l be able to take squads of Dreads/Tanks now just like C:SM. That'd be truly effed up if we couldnt
Well, I'll admit I was thinking of the Mark V as Casval mentioned.
Regarding the Dread/Tank squads, that sounds hopeful then!
Regarding the leak I feel a bit more at-ease now. Still not happy about the prospect of losing X as Troops rules but build-your-own-formation could probably make up for that.
With all the new SM kits, and the chapter upgrade packs, I think the only new model we will see is the Chaplain. (who is amazing)
I hope the formations and combinations are just on par with C:SM and that would be just fine. Then I'll be more motivated to finish my custom DA successor force.
I hope it's solid, I'd love to get some usage out of the army again.
They're just too cool.
