If they made a Zone Mortalis starter with Marines and Solar, I'd give the game a try.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This is gonna be big for the game I reckon.

Solar Auxilia have looked incredibly cool since they came out. But being all-resin they were of course horrendously expensive.

Now though? Better material, better price, wider appeal.

With the added bonus of new fodder for Imperial Guard, Admech, and Necromunda figures. I think these will sell really well.

Imagine solar auxilia lasrifles come in boxes of 20 for like 80 bucks, similar to the space marines.

I could very much see guard players loading up on that instead of regular guardsmen just for the savings.

Are Heresy tacticals cheaper per model than 40k guardsmen? That's wild.

drbored wrote:
Imagine solar auxilia lasrifles come in boxes of 20 for like 80 bucks, similar to the space marines.

I could very much see guard players loading up on that instead of regular guardsmen just for the savings.

I could see them porting Auxilia into Guard, period...but depending upon the loadouts in boxes?

Hello Infantry Squads!

Plastic charonite ogryns would be so cool

I imagine we'll get plastic versions of everything that's in Epic scale now. That "Heavy Sentinel" could be cool as a full-scale release.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Not much of a preview.

I mean, that comment applies for almost every GW preview.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This is gonna be big for the game I reckon.

Solar Auxilia have looked incredibly cool since they came out. But being all-resin they were of course horrendously expensive.

Now though? Better material, better price, wider appeal.

Hopefully. The lesson of Krieg isn't that old. Far too few kits and limited poses (and HH in general suffers from the latter already).

I've seen one of those "enhanced" pictures of the banner bearer on Instagram, it's a Mk III Imperial Fist from presumably a command squad and presumably in plastic. But the Solar Auxilia are the really exciting part.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I imagine we'll get plastic versions of everything that's in Epic scale now. That "Heavy Sentinel" could be cool as a full-scale release.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Not much of a preview.

I mean, that comment applies for almost every GW preview.

...and then they ship out preview copies of new plastics to a bunch of social media influencers and blogs, guaranteed to miss 80% of their captive (mailing list) audience with most of the juicy details.

Underpants gnomes in command, ISTG.

Poster on Bolter and Chainsword posted a desaturated version of the teasers.

The Solar Auxilia are a great/terrible thing for me. I was safe from HH unless they got added...

 tauist wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This is gonna be big for the game I reckon.

Solar Auxilia have looked incredibly cool since they came out. But being all-resin they were of course horrendously expensive.

Now though? Better material, better price, wider appeal.

plus, besides SA infantry looking dope, those SA vehicles will be a godsend for many 40K guard players who prefer more "gothic" looking tanks. DKoK, Vostroyans, and so on..

Pretty sure there are no 40k rules for any of them aside from the Malcadors though. Don't recall seeing 40k stats for Dracosans or Auroxes, etc.


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drbored wrote:
Imagine solar auxilia lasrifles come in boxes of 20 for like 80 bucks, similar to the space marines.

I could very much see guard players loading up on that instead of regular guardsmen just for the savings.

I have no doubt that GW already thought ahead on that and figured out a way to make SA minis harder or less attractive to use with 40k. The minis will be super monopose and only accept specific arms and heads to prevent guard players from kitbashing them. The box will only contain lasrifles, and there wont be any easy way to get them any of the special/heavy weapons you need for a guard army

I dont think they will make it hard for Astra Militarum to use SA models. They might even count on it to make them break even. How many guys will make huge infantry armies for the HH setting?
I might wrong though, dont know enough about the community to be honest, just dabble in a few games for fun.

I’ve always had an Idiot Idea in the back of my brain since I first clapped eyes on the Solar Auxilia.

And that idea is for a skirmish/small army take on Necromunda, but dealing with Rogue Traders. With the Solar Auxilia representing that a Rogue Trader will have enough cash that should they wish, they could have their own corps of Voidsmen.

Will be a bit disappointed if the command squad isn't in Mark VI, so hopefully it's an upgrade sprue/unit of mixed marks or that guy is a herald (though the latter seems unlikely as he looks pretty plain).

Happy for the Solar Auxilia fans.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ve always had an Idiot Idea in the back of my brain since I first clapped eyes on the Solar Auxilia.

And that idea is for a skirmish/small army take on Necromunda, but dealing with Rogue Traders. With the Solar Auxilia representing that a Rogue Trader will have enough cash that should they wish, they could have their own corps of Voidsmen.

I'd play that. I keep hoping they weave Gorkamorka into Necromunda expansions too.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’ve always had an Idiot Idea in the back of my brain since I first clapped eyes on the Solar Auxilia.

And that idea is for a skirmish/small army take on Necromunda, but dealing with Rogue Traders. With the Solar Auxilia representing that a Rogue Trader will have enough cash that should they wish, they could have their own corps of Voidsmen.

Isn't that just Inquisimunda?

*yawn*
How about models for Sisters of Silence that have rules but no models??
Hataeron guard for Custodes?
Legion specific praetors for legions that still don't have them.
Nope. Let's re-release stuff that has been available for several years, but in different format

 CragHack wrote:
*yawn*
How about models for Sisters of Silence that have rules but no models??

Serious question: Do they even have access to Rhinos yet?

 CragHack wrote:
*yawn*
How about models for Sisters of Silence that have rules but no models??
Hataeron guard for Custodes?
Legion specific praetors for legions that still don't have them.
Nope. Let's re-release stuff that has been available for several years, but in different format

Said different format is cheaper and easier to work with for many players.

Even when GW does something that has been asked about for years, people still find a way to whinge about it. The quintessential Warhammer experience.

I for one welcome a non 3+ save army in plastic

 Fayric wrote:
I dont think they will make it hard for Astra Militarum to use SA models. They might even count on it to make them break even. How many guys will make huge infantry armies for the HH setting?
I might wrong though, dont know enough about the community to be honest, just dabble in a few games for fun.

They did it for marines. The cost a 20 man legion tactical squad + the upgrade kits needed for the tactical soecial/Heavy weapons costs more than just buying 2 40k tactical squads. The 30k marines have more utility as intercessors though most people still don't bother with converting them over because there's a few minor things like Sgt options that make them a bit annoying to do. Ironically, prior to 10th it was harder to convert because the variant bolters that intercessors had in 8th/9th meant that you couldn't easily keep your intercessors wysiwyg but that's since been standardized out of the rules.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Are Heresy tacticals cheaper per model than 40k guardsmen? That's wild.

Looking at the UK store tonight, Mk3 are £45 for 20, while Mk6 are £50 for 20 - so £22.50 or £25 for 10, depending on mark.

Cadians are £30 for 10, Death Korps are £37.50 for 10, and even Catachans are £22.50 for 10.

I'll acknowledge that the Guard squads do feature special weapons that the HH Marines don't, so when it comes to the Cadians, at least, YMMV as to which are the better value.

I'm not saying the SA will get rules for 40K, that ship has sailed (and resulted in me dropping 10th edition but I digress), but it wont be difficult to "counts as" the SA stuff into 40K IG

 tauist wrote:
I'm not saying the SA will get rules for 40K, that ship has sailed (and resulted in me dropping 10th edition but I digress), but it wont be difficult to "counts as" the SA stuff into 40K IG

I suspect the vehicles will be priced similar to 40k guard ones and the infantry will be another 20 guys for 45/50 with specials in a separate pack again. It makes it so you can't just have a cheaper IG army using SA.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I dont think they will make it hard for Astra Militarum to use SA models. They might even count on it to make them break even. How many guys will make huge infantry armies for the HH setting?
I might wrong though, dont know enough about the community to be honest, just dabble in a few games for fun.

They did it for marines. The cost a 20 man legion tactical squad + the upgrade kits needed for the tactical soecial/Heavy weapons costs more than just buying 2 40k tactical squads. The 30k marines have more utility as intercessors though most people still don't bother with converting them over because there's a few minor things like Sgt options that make them a bit annoying to do. Ironically, prior to 10th it was harder to convert because the variant bolters that intercessors had in 8th/9th meant that you couldn't easily keep your intercessors wysiwyg but that's since been standardized out of the rules.

Ah, good point about the cost for special weapons. Forgot they dont include those in the new mkIII and mkVI since I used the old mk III as 40k grey hunters where they included some special weapons. Also, I forget some people dont have gathered loads of special weapons and bits for marines over the years
Anyway, its not quite the same thing with marines. Marines have enough market in HH to include different marks of armour, they dont need the 40k players bying in to them. My speculation was that Solar Auxilia, even thogh most people think they are really cool, will actually sell alot of infantry kits to the HH market alone. GW might expect potential Astra Militarum players to buy in tho the SA range (and therefor not make it to hard to just put your SA guys in the 40k AM ruleset)

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
*yawn*
How about models for Sisters of Silence that have rules but no models??

Serious question: Do they even have access to Rhinos yet?

Why would you want to ride in a Rhino when you can ride in an Acquisitor?

Keel wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
*yawn*
How about models for Sisters of Silence that have rules but no models??

Serious question: Do they even have access to Rhinos yet?

Why would you want to ride in a Rhino when you can ride in an Acquisitor?

I know that by now it's lore that's as old as sand... but everything should be able to have Rhinos xD. Marines, SA, militias, sisters, farmers.... everything xD

The real question is if these new dark angel guards are Fallen who have been forgiven, why are they primaris? As they are clearly in mk10 armour.

 Tamereth wrote:
The real question is if these new dark angel guards are Fallen who have been forgiven, why are they primaris? As they are clearly in mk10 armour.

Clearly Lionel gives his favourites the best toys. Every Firstborn can upgrade to Primaris.

Keel wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
*yawn*
How about models for Sisters of Silence that have rules but no models??

Serious question: Do they even have access to Rhinos yet?

Why would you want to ride in a Rhino when you can ride in an Acquisitor?

Because mercy for the hobby bank account is a blessing. Also some people don't like to work in resin or respectivly dislike gw quality resin.

 Tamereth wrote:
The real question is if these new dark angel guards are Fallen who have been forgiven, why are they primaris? As they are clearly in mk10 armour.

Test subjects for apothecaries to practice the primarisification surgery on?

Not sure why Primaris are being discussed in the HH news thread.

Got the Marine threads confused here people.

I have indeed posted that one in the wrong thread!

Back on topic the standard from the command squad preveiw being in mk3, makes me think the command squad will be just an upgrade sprue like the special / heavy weapons to be used with both sets of armour.

I too am expecting an upgrade sprue set. Hopefully over two or three non-repeated sprues like.

Think I’ve got some unbuilt MkVI and I’ve definitely got unbuilt MkIII. So gonna sit and wait, see what shakes out.

With Solar Auxilia being imminent, are we thinking they're going to get a Battlegroup like the Astartes did or just dumped out as an Army?

And is there a good book to get an idea of color plates and the like?

I’d be surprised if they don’t get a big boxed set to kick them off.

What that might contain? I dunno!

 Kanluwen wrote:
And is there a good book to get an idea of color plates and the like?

If you can find Book 4: Conquest, they will be in there. However, generally speaking, it's gunmetal with some shoulder panels painted a spot colour.


The above the baseline found with the FW scheme (Manchean Commonwealth IIRC) however we also have others like the one below with a more standard colour as the primary in a scheme:

Some examples of banners can be found in the Liber: Imperium book as well:

Some sort of big box for Aux for sure, the question is will it be a limited launch box or will it stay in production. I hope the latter as a hordey army that wil still have plenty of resin specialists really really needs a cheap starter with Age of Darkness levels of discount.

Depends on what's been removed from the FW range.

 Kanluwen wrote:
With Solar Auxilia being imminent, are we thinking they're going to get a Battlegroup like the Astartes did or just dumped out as an Army?
And is there a good book to get an idea of color plates and the like?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’d be surprised if they don’t get a big boxed set to kick them off.

What that might contain? I dunno!

Rumor is that they will be getting a battlegroup box. Valrak put out a video a couple days ago saying from what he understands (IIRC, I was a wee bit tipsy whilst watching) it will contain a command squad, a bunch of infantry, one of the new sentinels, a leman russ (which he seemed to think might be a new 30k only sculpt), and an "armored transport" which I assumed was a dracosan.

Well, inference from GW stock levels is once again proving unreliable

Last time I checked, the following kits were "Sold out online" (not just temporarily) but the Malcador Annihilator is now back on sale like nothing happened

Lasrifle Section
Veletaris Storm Section
Tactical Command
Basilisk
Malcador Annihilator

I can see them do a catch-all Malcador kit down the road with all of the options in there, so battle cannon, Vanquisher cannon and twin-linked lascannon variants, plus all the hull options, but they'll probably do a Dracosan first, the boys need a transport after all.

well as was recently pointed out to me, the dracosan is basically built on a malcador chassis anyway, so its unlikely to be far behind a dracosan. Plus the dracosans a bit of a tank itself, what with its ability to fit a demolisher cannon. Best APC ever.

chaos0xomega wrote:
well as was recently pointed out to me, the dracosan is basically built on a malcador chassis anyway, so its unlikely to be far behind a dracosan. Plus the dracosans a bit of a tank itself, what with its ability to fit a demolisher cannon. Best APC ever.

Would the twin gravis lascannon not be a little more enticing. Don't get me wrong, I adore the sturmtiger style of the demolisher with all my heart, but sadly it's in a weird place atm. Does a little bit of everything but isn't great at anything ya know?

Ruleswise, gravis lascannon has the demolisher beat everytime.
For 50 pts for the demo you lose transport capacity get a template that at most wounds 2 models and is ordnance on a transport.

Brutal 3 on a template has some potential. Like it can one shot custodes and with the 3 rolls there's a 50/50 chance they'll splat. Buuuut, that's pretty niche ya know? And cat armour will be re-rolling those saves unless you rend. As i said, weird little place.

For a cannon on an expensive plattform? That not wierd, thats bad.

I'd rather slap a demo cannon on a Malcador, stupid overkill on an already expensive model, but it makes for a brutal look.

The rule of cool is like half of what the Typhon has going for it.

Guys guys guys, it's not about optimization, it'd about cool factor.

I wonder if a SA leman russ would be an upgrade kit to the current version or if they will make a completely new Leman Russ kit?

I'm pretty excited for solar aux. If nothing else, I hope we get lots of good lore for them. I've been doing my own custom cohort for LI, and I might get a command squad to do them up as the same cohort but flesh out some of the details.

If we get plastic Aurox and Carnodon though... it might be all over for my bank account.

Ah I must have misunderstood, thought it was a Command Squad and also a sentinel that could be a command variant, but I guess not.

Hmmm... do you think the dracosan will have a bottom, or will they give it the rogal dorn treatment...?

Edit - could sworn there was just a new post here about valrak rumors???

 Matrindur wrote:
I wonder if a SA leman russ would be an upgrade kit to the current version or if they will make a completely new Leman Russ kit?

I could see using the 40k track sprue and a new hull and turret sprue, plus a new SA vehicle accessory sprue that will be included with every tank and other vehicle.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I could see using the 40k track sprue and a new hull and turret sprue, plus a new SA vehicle accessory sprue that will be included with every tank and other vehicle.

A standard SA vehicle sprue does seem likely - perhaps with less on it than the Astartes vehicle sprue, but including an SA tank commander, some pintle weapons and a few accessories.

For the Leman Russ, they could probably get away with just a new turret (plus a choice of main weapons) and glacis, plus the distinctive trench skid. But the LI version has a lot of subtle changes from the current Russ model, including chunkier tracks and a revised engine deck - overall it is better proportioned than the WH40k version. I think the Heresy version will duplicate the LI design, and be an entirely new kit.

I expect the pair of trench rails to be part of the accessory sprue, along with spotlight, smoke, pintle weapons, hk missile, and commander with options.

frankly the way the current leman russ sprue with the tracks and lower hull on one sprue and and the upper hull and turret on another is perfect for the way they have been doing HH vehicle kits to share sprues,

they use the current track/lower hull kit and all they have to make is a new upper hull/turret sprue.

that gives them a new tank kit with only one new sprue, and if as majorwest says they make a solar aux vehicle accesory sprue with the trench rails on that it would go with at least three other kits

The trench skids don't seem to be a standard design - the Malcador and Russ versions are quite different. But looking at the Russ sprues, I can certainly see how they could use the existing hull / track sprue, if they didn't want to replicate the chunkier track design on the LI Russ (which looks much better, IMO).

cody.d. wrote:
The rule of cool is like half of what the Typhon has going for it.

The other half is the worth-its-weight-in-gold AP3 template, and the ability to brute-force terminators and dreadnoughts down with brutal 4.

Okay, got an email earlier today, my Auxilia flamer squad has been cancelled and refunded, make of that what you will.

 morganfreeman wrote:

cody.d. wrote:
The rule of cool is like half of what the Typhon has going for it.

The other half is the worth-its-weight-in-gold AP3 template, and the ability to brute-force terminators and dreadnoughts down with brutal 4.

Not on 225 TRANSPORT.
but it does look darn snazzy.

 BrookM wrote:
Okay, got an email earlier today, my Auxilia flamer squad has been cancelled and refunded, make of that what you will.

Wouldn't overthink that too much. Saw a number of other posts on facebook and/or reddit of people complaining that they had orders canceled or items cut earlier this morning. IIRC one person had their order for the recently released traitor consul/champion canceled as out of stock 3 weeks after they placed the order. The other had a Kratos cut for their GW webstore order as being out of stock a month after placing it. Seems more like GWs ERP system is still busted and they dont have accurate inventory counts of anything.

I had an order of Death Guard heads cancelled just before Christmas.

 BrookM wrote:
Okay, got an email earlier today, my Auxilia flamer squad has been cancelled and refunded, make of that what you will.

A lot of people had a lot of different orders cancelled today - supposedly it is another ERP inventory management issue that is causing problems for anything on backorder, so GW are just cancelling them and telling people to reorder when they're in stock. Except we can't really know when that is, as apparently the website stock status is also broken.

All going smoothly behind the scenes...

GW was paying for two major website platforms at the same time, the old site that was working but expensive and the new site that wasn't working but was also expensive.

The new site wasn't done, but eventually the decision had to be made to just have it go live and fix things on the back end as they came up so they could stop paying for 2 sites at once.

We're now in that weird growing-pain phase. Finally, we're past the holidays, so the IT team should be working full time now to tackle and fix all the issues.

Knowing IT and web development, my speculation is that the team that GW hired totally fleeced GW and is taking full advantage of the situation to continue getting paid while under-delivering, but hey, happens all the time unfortunately.

Easily missed from this week’s Heresy Thursday was a teaser for next week’s (18 Jan)

Warhammer Community wrote:Join us next Thursday as we get exclusive access to some closely guarded weapon vaults.

Given the LVO reveals will be the same day? I’m thinking upgrade Sprues for Assault Marines.

Maybe, just maybe, Breachers for MkIII.

It's the melee weapon upgrade sprue that was listed on the roadmap.

I really am hopeful it includes bits for Breachers.

chaos0xomega wrote:
It's the melee weapon upgrade sprue that was listed on the roadmap.

Would be weird given that we still don't have the "Mystery Army" Release...

It doesn't say that it's a reveal for the Heresy Thursday thing. Maybe they do a rando-reveal of whatever the baby Sentinel thing was? Or maybe it's something for Tiny Heresy.

Doubtful. It'll be the old FW sprues but plastic. So all the options for Power Weapons, Power Fists/Lightning Claws, Melta Bombs, and the various Pistols.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Would be weird given that we still don't have the "Mystery Army" Release...

It doesn't say that it's a reveal for the Heresy Thursday thing. Maybe they do a rando-reveal of whatever the baby Sentinel thing was? Or maybe it's something for Tiny Heresy.

My guy, it's Solar Aux. How have you not figured that out?

Could be Titanicus. They're re-releasing AT faction dice next week.

 Gert wrote:
Doubtful. It'll be the old FW sprues but plastic. So all the options for Power Weapons, Power Fists/Lightning Claws, Melta Bombs, and the various Pistols.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Would be weird given that we still don't have the "Mystery Army" Release...

It doesn't say that it's a reveal for the Heresy Thursday thing. Maybe they do a rando-reveal of whatever the baby Sentinel thing was? Or maybe it's something for Tiny Heresy.

My guy, it's Solar Aux. How have you not figured that out?

My guy, how can you not understand that the quotation marks are for "air quotes"?

If they're following the roadmap, that upgrade sprue isn't for another quarter. Solar Auxilia have been the worst kept secret since the return of the Lion.

Oh plastic Malcador? I'd be up for that

 Gert wrote:
Doubtful. It'll be the old FW sprues but plastic. So all the options for Power Weapons, Power Fists/Lightning Claws, Melta Bombs, and the various Pistols.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Would be weird given that we still don't have the "Mystery Army" Release...

It doesn't say that it's a reveal for the Heresy Thursday thing. Maybe they do a rando-reveal of whatever the baby Sentinel thing was? Or maybe it's something for Tiny Heresy.

My guy, it's Solar Aux. How have you not figured that out?

Yes we know.point is melee weapons supposed to come after mystery army.

There's also a "New Characters and Upgrades" in there that could just be resin weapon packs

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Oh plastic Malcador? I'd be up for that

Same, most likely. I've owned a Malcador Defender from day 1, and it's one of my favorite old FW designs.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's also a "New Characters and Upgrades" in there that could just be resin weapon packs

Given they're on the resin row of the graphic, I think you've got the material down pat - not sure if the upgrades would just be weapons, though, or whether we're dealing with more helmets and pads.

Winter is December - February. It makes sense when you realize GW's fiscal calendar is June - May. This would be Q3. Their fiscal calendar is the same as my employers' - the first day of the new year is Memorial Day. GW has a 52/53 week fiscal calendar?

Small new Valrak rumours about Solar Auxilia
Its from a LVO predictions video in which he just throws all that out in passing but he said he "heard" this so should be actual rumours and not just speculation:

Boxset has Command Squad, Troops, Dracosan, Leman Russ, Sentinel
In addition to the boxset there are plastic Malcadors and plastic Artillery (Medusa) and "more"

If plastic malcador and basilisk = Rip my Portemonnaie.

Well, let's have a look-see at the online shop

Lasrifle Section, Veletaris Storm Section, Tactical Command, Dracosan = have been entirely removed

Basilisk/Medusa, Malcador Annihilator = Sold Out Online (good indicator that an item is discontinued but not entirely fool proof)

I don't know how many HH specific Russes there were, only the Incinerator is listed at all now.

Goddamn! That would be more SA releases than we have for LI at this stage. But it all sounds super juicy, so bring it!

In hindsight, getting SA as the second plastic faction for HH2.0 makes a ton of sense, since that establishes "parity" with LI, and you can cross pollinate into 40K better. Just hope Mechanicum will follow some time after, I still want those plastic Automata for my IXth

I'd argue Mechanicum would have been a more exciting second faction in both HH and LI. But I guess we need a human baseline for Astartes to stand out against

Mechanicum are more aesthetically polarizing, you either love em or you hate em. SA are more approachable for the average customer and tons of folks love the baseline humans with basic sci-fi weapons look. I can imagine that they also probably had enough sales data from the resin era to determine that SA probably sell better than Mechanicum (just a guess, not positive).

I would guess that SA are their first foray into non-marine plastics for 30k and they are looking to gauge the interest and demand of non-marine plastics through a relatively safe avenue. If it sells well im sure other factions wont be far behind.

They might also be holding off on the Mechanicum to tie it to an AdMech thing. One of the big holes right now is that the two Skitarii variants are kind of specialized...doing a third variant that's techguard in all but name could be a thought

chaos0xomega wrote:
Mechanicum are more aesthetically polarizing, you either love em or you hate em. SA are more approachable for the average customer and tons of folks love the baseline humans with basic sci-fi weapons look. I can imagine that they also probably had enough sales data from the resin era to determine that SA probably sell better than Mechanicum (just a guess, not positive).

I would guess that SA are their first foray into non-marine plastics for 30k and they are looking to gauge the interest and demand of non-marine plastics through a relatively safe avenue. If it sells well im sure other factions wont be far behind.

SA also can be easily used as Guard models in 40K, while Heresy era Mechanicus doesn't really have much overlap with the 40K version model wise. so doing SA first means that they can catch twice the buyers, as even non heresy players might still pick up the SA plastics.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Mechanicum are more aesthetically polarizing, you either love em or you hate em. SA are more approachable for the average customer and tons of folks love the baseline humans with basic sci-fi weapons look. I can imagine that they also probably had enough sales data from the resin era to determine that SA probably sell better than Mechanicum (just a guess, not positive).

I would guess that SA are their first foray into non-marine plastics for 30k and they are looking to gauge the interest and demand of non-marine plastics through a relatively safe avenue. If it sells well im sure other factions wont be far behind.

Won't be far behind is over year if sales are deciding.

Though likely is even if already in plans.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'd argue Mechanicum would have been a more exciting second faction in both HH and LI. But I guess we need a human baseline for Astartes to stand out against

Mechanicum has a chunk of stuff that existing plastic kits can represent such as Magi, Knights, Tech-Thralls, Skitarii, Servitors, and the like. Solar Aux has the Leman Russ.
Getting Solar Aux moved to plastic also means GW can remove some of the oldest remaining FW kits, the Malcadors.

Plastic Medusa, hey?

That's interesting...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plastic Medusa, hey?

That's interesting...

The Solar Aux basilisk and Medusa are just a barrel swap. Makes sense to do both.

Does the Medusa have indirect fire in HH yet?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Does the Medusa have indirect fire in HH yet?

Yah. But not much beyond that. Ordnance 1, barrage, large blast (5), Pinning, Rending (6+),with a 36" range and S9, AP4, to be clear.

If they release the Malcador Infernus in plastic then my modeling/painting plans for this year and well and truly screwed.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In the interest of on-topicness...



Am I correct in assuming this means plastic Mechanicum in August?

Cause that would be awesome sauce.

you'll notice that chart says 2022?

the army book "liber mechanicum" was released in august of 2022

mithril2098 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In the interest of on-topicness...

Am I correct in assuming this means plastic Mechanicum in August?

Cause that would be awesome sauce.

you'll notice that chart says 2022?

the army book "liber mechanicum" was released in august of 2022

You’ll notice you’re replying to a post on the first page of a 224 page thread, that started in 2022?

 Rolsheen wrote:
If they release the Malcador Infernus in plastic then my modeling/painting plans for this year and well and truly screwed.

ROASTY TOASTY! Did you know, that whilst there’s no evidence for it, it’s a scientific fact that shouting that when firing a Malcador Infenus improves the unsaved wound count by up to a Bit Percent?

It’s true!

Anyways. Not long until this week’s Heresy Thursday, which provided nothing changed behind the scenes is most likely the Assault Weapons upgrade pack. Which will be cool.

These are weapon upgrades, just not exactly what we expected:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/18/heresy-thursday-look-beautiful-on-the-battlefield-with-blood-angels-upgrades/

I like them. Very random order they’re doing these upgrades in though, Sons of Horus then Blood Angels.

I take no pleasure in this

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's also a "New Characters and Upgrades" in there that could just be resin weapon packs

Still, Solar Aux tomorrow.

Pretty cool though. Now we need these for Emperor's Children!

Not what I expected, not my Legion, but I’m far from mad about it.

The spear's pretty cool.

Weird that they didn't show off the Predator parts on the actual tank.

It’s a bad habit of these posts.

Heads, weapons, often shown without “serving suggestion” images of the completed models.

Probably don't wanna paint up a whole BA tank to shoow off a resin blister pack.

They’re not cheap, but I’m a sucker for this type of thing. Hope they’ll do white scars and word bearers without making me wait two years

Well I, for one, am incredibly disappointed.

Arms for the Pintel are MkVI.

Gunner model is MkII

chaos0xomega wrote:
Well I, for one, am incredibly disappointed.

Plastic melee sprue still coming same quarter as Auxilia. This is just a throwaway Heresy Thursday slot a few hours before LVO reveals...

Hmmmm. That spear. I do quite like it.


Those arms however... It's painful how generic they start to look when you see them everywhere.

Heresy Marines are, for the rank and file, much less decorated that their future counterparts. Ornamentation tends to come in for elite units and characters, and even then in differing amounts.

No, I'm aware of that. I mean they're generic in that they don't cleave to any of the established armour themes. You don't look at the those arms and go "Yes, they're 'X' Mk".

That's that random set of Mk4 in there

GW should consider these upgrade kit releases for their own 3D printing service. Even release their own official 3D printer and materials...

I must have these! Those bolters alone make this kit indispensable for me, especially a fan of the bolter which is not held at the grip.

The axe looks pretty good as well, and might even fit that Plastic two-handed melee weapon Praetor that came with the AoD box (still have mine on the sprue)

I have always been partial to the way the Flamestorm Cannon looks on a Deimos Predator, that to me, is the quintessential Baal Predator look, but I suppose this resin upgrade will be nice to have for others

 Snrub wrote:
No, I'm aware of that. I mean they're generic in that they don't cleave to any of the established armour themes. You don't look at the those arms and go "Yes, they're 'X' Mk".

Beats having clearly mk6 arms on mk2 body though

Hopefully the reference to the EC armoury is a not so subtle "EC set coming soon", because I am really keen to see what they'd do for the Third. Would be a nice addition to the existing spear set.

Why 1 Assault cannon, hows that helpful. Do they expect people to buy 10 of these upgrade packs to equip a squad?

That spear is gorgeous, I'll need one of those.

 Tamereth wrote:
Why 1 Assault cannon, hows that helpful. Do they expect people to buy 10 of these upgrade packs to equip a squad?

Yes.

It's also why there's only 1 of each Melee weapon.

I want the melee weapons for a squad of Sanguinary Guards. The inferno pistols too. They go much better with the elaborate armour, I think.

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Good gravy! Malcadors and Dracosans!

finally good looking guard tanks in plastic

Very impressed with the Solar Auxilia, all looks great, the tanks especially.

SA got really nice plastics. Chonky Sentinels are great addition.

Plastic malcador.


Finally.


I do wonder if they will give dracosans over to militia aswell in regards to access.

Tears of joy for my favourite tank in glorious plastic and not wallet ending cost.

And the best of it all, it's not a rogal dorn.

Only negative thing though for Solar Auxilia: No new rules. Well expect Sentinel.

Have you played the Solar Aux list? It's really good.

Also, I’m genuinely surprised and perhaps impressed they’ve not redone the entire list.

 Gert wrote:
Tears of joy for my favourite tank in glorious plastic and not wallet ending cost.

Optimist. I expect that the new plastic kits will be about a nickel less than resin.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Tears of joy for my favourite tank in glorious plastic and not wallet ending cost.

Optimist. I expect that the new plastic kits will be about a nickel less than resin.

Haven’t all the Heresy plastics been a fairly decent saving over the resin?

The Heresy range is comparatively well priced, for GW kits.

Certainly everything so far has, if memory serves, come in a bit under expectation, and well under the resin kit price.

Which no, dear reader, is not to say “therefore it am the cheap”. Just, not as expensive as it might’ve been.

 Gert wrote:
Have you played the Solar Aux list? It's really good.

Well yes and no. More of an case getting their own book with more expanded options and some things fixed.

Are all the Malcador variants in the book? Defender, Infernus, Valdor? can we expect them in plastic at some point.

 Rolsheen wrote:
Are all the Malcador variants in the book? Defender, Infernus, Valdor? can we expect them in plastic at some point.

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 Gert wrote:
Have you played the Solar Aux list? It's really good.

That is debatable, because it currently get's held up by a single entry. Which is the same that holds up militia lists aswell....

imo the malcador could lose some points.

Dracosan could also lose points.

Damn, these models look really good. This is what Heresy stuff should look like. Even the Russ, which is one of my least favourite GW tanks, looks good. I'm not so sold on the infantry, which look a bit stocky, but I'm sure they will grow on me.

I think the pricing over 40k seems decent because they are expecting players to generally buy a fair bit more of it for a larger army

that said, I may get a squad of the SA infantry, less to use and more just to paint up - the excuse being I need reference models for the epic scale, however enough for a small allied detachment could find employment

 Sotahullu wrote:
Dracosan could also lose points.

Honestly it's not the chasis that is imo the big issue. The big issue is that 50 pts is not the accurate pricetag for the WHFB mortar roleplaying as demolisher that we currently could slap on it. But yeah it could come down to 150 with gravis las.

Dozer Blade on the new Russ is my fav bit.

Surprised they didn't show off the Axeman option for the unit. Studio not done painting a squad?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dozer Blade on the new Russ is my fav bit.

Seems to be the same as the one on the Malcador, and I think the pintle weapons are the same, so I'm wondering if its a shared vehicle accessory sprue, like the one that has come with all the new asartes tanks?

 Snord wrote:
I'm not so sold on the infantry, which look a bit stocky,

Some Dwarf blood there

 Snord wrote:
I'm not so sold on the infantry, which look a bit stocky, but I'm sure they will grow on me.

Yeah, same here. They def looked thicc/chonky compared to the resin ones. That was one thing I always liked about the original ones - they looked like a lean, mean fighting force, especially compared to their 40k compatriots. I guess it was expected - the plastic Krieg are similar when you compare them to the FW ones.

Wont stop me buying them though, obviously!

And the tanks are all glorious.

RIP my wallet.

Such.....lovely tanks!

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Such.....lovely tanks!

Rip my wallet. .. more malcadors here i come. Who needs efficent Heavy Support slot use anyways

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Such.....lovely tanks!

Rip my wallet. .. more malcadors here i come. Who needs efficent Heavy Support slot use anyways

Rule of Cool, my friend. Not, efficiency.

Strong initial lineup and fantastic sculpts across the board. Only caveat being that infantry looks like it's only 5 pose sprues again.

Looks like I'll be getting plastic GW vehicles to go with my Wargames Atlantic militia.

You guys think there's any chance we see the Malcador with a nest of heavy bolters up top eventually too?

 Snrub wrote:
I reckon we'll see first wave kits for
-Command Section (5 Man)
-Rifle Section (20 Man)
-Veletaris Storm upgrade kit (20 Volkite Chargers/Storm Axes)
-Veletaris Vanguard upgrade kit (20 Rotor Cannons/Heavy Flamers)
-Dracosan or Aurox
-Leman Russ Strike

Gonna quietly blow a tune on my own trumpet here. 5 out of 6 ain't bad! (Even if they were all 100% givens).

New Sentinal comes as no shock, I suppose. It's appearance being foretold by LI.
Surprised we got all flavours of Russ though right from the start. I thought they'd drag that out for sure.
Malcador is a pleasant surprise too!


I know a couple of local blokes who are going to be rabidly frothing at the mouth over this. Like, a months worth of paychecks frothing at the mouth. If all the local stores run out of stock, I know who'll have it.

lord_blackfang wrote:That's that random set of Mk4 in there

Without trying to sound to petulant, it's not even proper MkIV though, unfortunately. The elbows are right, but it has no extended vambrace.

Yea I'm gonna guess the Mk4 vambrace has been squatted, as it prevents compatibility with weapon upgrade sprues.

Quite pleasantly surprised with the initial wave of plastic Solar Auxilia!

New infantry looks a bit chunkier and less detailed, some of the changes are not to my liking, simplified bayonets instead of the sword ones the resin models have and the blocky power cell sticking out of their rifles, but if the command squad model with lasgun is anything to go by, this may be an optional piece. Same with the Veletarii, a bit chunkier than the originals, not a fan of how the power cell for the charger sticks out, but they look like they mean business! The command section makes me hopeful for the future HQ command squad and Legate commander sets, already quite surprised to see the troop master sporting a serpenta, so a future Legate Commander sprue is bound to be brimming with the good stuff for conversions.

But oh my days, both a plastic Dracosan and Malcador, with the Demolisher cannon included, take that! Also loving that the Solar Auxilia vehicle upgrade sprue has everything, including an awesomely clunky looking flare shield generator and the option for a tank commander with an assortment of nicely weird devices.

And a redesigned Leman Russ! Damn it, already drowning in Russ tanks, but one or two, just for this, wouldn't hurt right?

The heavy Sentinel still needs to grow on me, but it can take volkite, always good right?

Hopefully I can secure one of each come the day of preorder.

Here's hoping for a plastic Macharius now as well, which we can hope is fairly probable in the future.

Also, SA versions of the baneblade? Consider LI got them, must be in with a shot.

Not surprised to see the new Sentinel from LI get a 28mm version, little bit of history repeats.

Liking the plastic "trimmed" Russ and Malcadors, finally a nice fit on these parts we hope.
As for the Auxilia troops, as I own the resins.. these lost a ton of detail in GW's pursuit. A list of details, gone.
- Chain driven geared Rebreather [now banded metal]
- Sealing Bolts on helmets, shin to thighs, ect
- I'm not typing anymore here.


Why not do plastic Imperial Army in the RT style or Militia? The Auxilia command elements could fit in with an existing resin force.

I'm actually glad GW showed some restraint in blinging out Auxilia.

The real question though, will gw also not fail in the pricing department?

Not Online!!! wrote:
The real question though, will gw also not fail in the pricing department?

Like Marines I expect these to be 5$ cheaper than 40k equivalents, which will make an Aux army still absurdly expensive.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
The real question though, will gw also not fail in the pricing department?

Like Marines I expect these to be 5$ cheaper than 40k equivalents, which will make an Aux army still absurdly expensive.

Well, then they will fail. They could compensate that a bit with squadrons for militia malcadors and dracosans as an option aswell.

Maybee.

 BrookM wrote:
And a redesigned Leman Russ! Damn it, already drowning in Russ tanks, but one or two, just for this, wouldn't hurt right?

I'm thinking of picking up one or two for Tank Commanders in 40k, myself.

 Dysartes wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
And a redesigned Leman Russ! Damn it, already drowning in Russ tanks, but one or two, just for this, wouldn't hurt right?

I'm thinking of picking up one or two for Tank Commanders in 40k, myself.

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Speaking of the upcoming Auxilia Vanquisher, kinda curious to see if it will keep its coaxial autocannon, as the model has either a heavy stubber, or a really weedy autocannon installed in the side mount.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Optimist. I expect that the new plastic kits will be about a nickel less than resin.

Why? Every other HH kit that has been translated has taken a dive in cost, even compared to their final costs before the swap.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well yes and no. More of an case getting their own book with more expanded options and some things fixed.

Yeah that's not going to happen, just ain't how HH works and never has been both in terms of individual army books and "rules issues" being addressed.

Not Online!!! wrote:
That is debatable, because it currently get's held up by a single entry. Which is the same that holds up militia lists aswell....

imo the malcador could lose some points.

Agree to disagree on the status of Solar Aux and Militia. I think both lists are good, they just take a bit more effort to play compared to the Legion list. Militia more-so but then I find most people aren't taking the list in the way it really should be played i.e Commit To The Bit.

 Gert wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
That is debatable, because it currently get's held up by a single entry. Which is the same that holds up militia lists aswell....

imo the malcador could lose some points.

Agree to disagree on the status of Solar Aux and Militia. I think both lists are good, they just take a bit more effort to play compared to the Legion list. Militia more-so but then I find most people aren't taking the list in the way it really should be played i.e Commit To The Bit.

I am sorry but in a competitive inclined match everything that sees some land on the militia side is vanquisher leman russ spam, whilest solar aux is basically the worse off.

If you mean that by commiting then yes sure. But grenadier bit, don't work. Horde infantry (even with 3rd parties) too expensive NVM that i doubt a lot of people have that ammount of infantry. Artillery? Don't work for a whole slew of reasons (stingy on breaching / rending, too small templates). Ogryn spam, don't really work either.

The bit being Ogryn, Cavalry or Leman Russ? Ideally a faction would not require players to spam thousands of points of a single good unit that you have to divine out of dozens of trap options.

Hopefully that won't be a limited box, because the outlay for 6 of them at once might bankrupt me

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Here's hoping for a plastic Macharius now as well, which we can hope is fairly probable in the future.

Also, SA versions of the baneblade? Consider LI got them, must be in with a shot.

Errr... I dunno how to tell you this but there won't be a macharius, not in HH anyway. The reason why is in the name in relation to the timeline.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Hopefully that won't be a limited box, because the outlay for 6 of them at once might bankrupt me

It's a limited box.

The Macharius tank has an entry in the Legends document, to easily represent a myriad of tanks used by both sides during the conflict. I wouldn't count on the Macharius making a comeback, the Rogal Dorn might be the closest thing we'll get to a plastic Macharius-expy.

Would love to see a plastic Auxilia Baneblade (dare we say it?) Stormhammer though, but I fear those will be (remain) hybrid resin kits.

Didn't we see a HH Baneblade in some random post sometime around the LI announcement?

Thought that was for LI though?

Ah it might be LI Baneblade box art. Seems it's normal the detail on box art is finer than on the models? Drilled barrels and such.

edit.

Ninja'd by the sneaky edit!

But looking at the other vehicle box sets, they all use the 28mm models on the cover, so the Baneblades shown here are most certainly a cheeky preview of what's to come!

Bit odd though, seeing as the Baneblade has been shuffled off to Legends territory. 🤔

Such lovely models.

Just when I thought selling off a load of Praetorians would see a big increase in my savings and available storage space.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surprised they didn't show off the Axeman option for the unit. Studio not done painting a squad?

I would bet that axes are a separate kit as they likely couldn't find room on the sprue.

Not sure if I'd prefer an extra sprue like the Marine special and heavy weapons or an entirely separate kit that could have different poses (but won't).

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Surprised they didn't show off the Axeman option for the unit. Studio not done painting a squad?

I would bet that axes are a separate kit as they likely couldn't find room on the sprue.

Not sure if I'd prefer an extra sprue like the Marine special and heavy weapons or an entirely separate kit that could have different poses (but won't).

They said in like two places that axemen are a build option tho.

 Gert wrote:
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Hopefully that won't be a limited box, because the outlay for 6 of them at once might bankrupt me

It's a limited box.

Did they confirm or are we assuming? Because we thought that about the age of Darkness box, and the bretonnia and Tomb Kings boxes...

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 Gert wrote:
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Hopefully that won't be a limited box, because the outlay for 6 of them at once might bankrupt me

It's a limited box.

Did they confirm or are we assuming? Because we thought that about the age of Darkness box, and the bretonnia and Tomb Kings boxes...

It’s the same format as the Legiones Astartes Battlegroup which was limited. Still assuming but based on a recent similar example.

"Same format" doesn't mean much anymore in my eyes

Apparently, someone asked on the reveal stream. Saw it this morning on social media but that was about 12 hours ago pre-work and now my brain is mushy peas.

From Twitter, spoilered for size, tanks: https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1748299476228247949



Infantry and Sentinel: https://twitter.com/warhammer/status/1748390426220908840

Yea even with the discount box, Aux will struggle to be financially viable, without it I don't see many people getting into the faction who don't already have the resins anyway.

Damn, they look sick. I really hope the Aurox makes it to plastic. And the flyers! I have little hope for those, but I've always wanted a plastic Thunderbolt ever since that old Golden Daemon entry from the 90s.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea even with the discount box, Aux will struggle to be financially viable, without it I don't see many people getting into the faction who don't already have the resins anyway.

Honestly, for the infantry, its a pretty terrible 'discount box.' There just aren't enough, even for minimal dipping a toe in.

On the other hand, I don't see the resins mattering for people who want to get into this faction. Overcoming the 'resin barrier' is part of the point of HH2.

Voss wrote:
On the other hand, I don't see the resins mattering for people who want to get into this faction. Overcoming the 'resin barrier' is part of the point of HH2.

I mean to say that without bundle discounts, Aux in plastic won't be meaningfully more financially accessible than it was in resin. Like... will people start an army that costs 2 grand if they didn't already when it cost 3 grand?

I'm thinking a box of SA infantry (still havent decided which kit) might be just the ticket I've been looking to kitbash my KT21 Navy Breachers with. I like some of the Navy Breacher details but the torsos are not to my liking, SA torso swaps might make all the difference for me. Been wanting to do the Breachers justice as I already have a Navy-themed Valkyrie almost built as well.

Another bash which might end up suitable for some SA bits will be my Starstriders. The specialist models all look great, but I've never loved the Navis lasgun troopers which are included

Ah yeah, another conversion idea: a Dracosan hull and that Necromunda tracked version of the Ridgehauler..

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Voss wrote:
On the other hand, I don't see the resins mattering for people who want to get into this faction. Overcoming the 'resin barrier' is part of the point of HH2.

I mean to say that without bundle discounts, Aux in plastic won't be meaningfully more financially accessible than it was in resin. Like... will people start an army that costs 2 grand if they didn't already when it cost 3 grand?

I think it’s probably meaningfully more financially accessible when the main troops go from £90 for 20 to £45ish.

If you buy several of these new battlegroup boxes from a discounter, I am quite sure you can push down the price a lot further..

Also, if the Dracosan kit that comes with the battlegroup shares several sprues with the Malcador, you might be able to snag the remaining bits from ebay and be able to make the dracosans Malcadors that way (?)

Rejoice all ye Shattered Legion and Blackshield fans, for they have returned unto you. The next expansion book is Beta-Garmon.

This would seem an ideal book to release the 28mm Warmaster Titan in, what with the Titandeath and all that.

Looking forward to two different ways to build a custom Legion. And hey, I just bought Iron Hands dice.

Not so much to this being a mandatory codex supplement for Solar Aux.

Yeaaaah baby, that's what I've been waiting for!

Blackshields, finally!

Finally... though i'd rather have me malcadors. there's never enough malcadors.

I mean they'll probs be coming out at the same time so.

Y'all saying "finally" like they aren't going to make us wait another 3-6 months to be able to have a chance to buy the book. Of course, it'll sell out in 5 minutes like Siege of Cthoia did, and then it'll be another 3-6 month wait for most of us to be able to get a copy.

Managed to get mine easy enough when it came out. Didn't even queue or anything.
Seems like an American problem.

But you both have a USA flag

Good lord, I've been Americaned. I can assure that I am of good proper British stock.
But in all seriousness, Cthonia wasn't too hard to come by on this side of the pond in my experience. Got it fairly quickly not long after general release.

Cthonia never came to my local gamestore ....

Not Online!!! wrote:
Cthonia never came to my local gamestore ....

https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/horus-heresy-siege-of-cthonia-campaign-book-hb-2023-eng

This? Online only so not surprised.

Bit bored of Beta Garmon. We'll shortly have BL, AT, LI, and HH books for it. Hopefully the book is of similar quality to Cthonia which was pretty solid overall

I thought Beta Garmon was a Titanicus 'show'.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I thought Beta Garmon was a Titanicus 'show'.

Titandeath is, but that isn't the entire conflict. It was a huge campaign Horus did as a feint, if I remember right. Multiple Legions present and fighting.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I thought Beta Garmon was a Titanicus 'show'.

Titandeath is, but that isn't the entire conflict. It was a huge campaign Horus did as a feint, if I remember right. Multiple Legions present and fighting.

Maybe early heresy but late one was more of Dorn sending non-marine forces there(in particular titans in case their wide use on Earth would destroy the planet) to try to delay and buy time. Beta Garmon being vital link point. Don't hold it, Horus can't proceed to Earth so the longer Dorn could deny it to Horus the longer it would take for Horus reach Earth and longer the Guillimann & rest had time to arrive.

Titans were ideal to spend here for that as Dorn was reluctant to keep entire titan legion forces at Earth(due to worry what would happen to Earth if they were unleashed in full there. Maybe you win the war but lose the planet).

But yeah lots of activity there. Multiple planets, space battles, titans but also others. Blood Angels and White scar with their primarch defending against traitors led by Horus himself.

So Blackshields are basically "invent your own Chapter" right?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So Blackshields are basically "invent your own Chapter" right?

Essentially

Tavis75 wrote:
This would seem an ideal book to release the 28mm Warmaster Titan in, what with the Titandeath and all that.

You could conceivably get the same results as a scale warmaster by employing a 4 year old to stomp around on the board for a bit. Might actually end up being cheaper too!

 Gert wrote:
Good lord, I've been Americaned. I can assure that I am of good proper British stock.

Your profile pic is suitably outraged.

Tavis75 wrote:
This would seem an ideal book to release the 28mm Warmaster Titan in, what with the Titandeath and all that.

Warmaster would be too big to do reasonably in resin. Not quite impossible, but extremely unlikely.

On the other hand, Titandeath would be a good time to release plastic solar aux baneblades and shadowswords that LI pics have been teasing, a 28mm Dire Wolf titan, and a few more weapon options for the existing 28mm titans.

We also have seen the mystery army (minus the egg pattern sentinel) and teases of the sm command squad, so time for a new roadmap.

So, hidden in plain sight melee upgrade?

Judging from how misshapen they are I'd say those are resin.

Not just misshapen, but also kinda low detail.

So - another resin stop-gap kit?

 Snord wrote:
So - another resin stop-gap kit?

No, it’ll be the old resin kit if it’s resin (which it seems to be). There’s a plastic melee kit scheduled for spring.

I think that's just a squad of Blackshields that someone threw together for pictures and not indicative of any model releases.

One thing I hope they do is re-release the old Blackshield transfers...

 zedmeister wrote:
One thing I hope they do is re-release the old Blackshield transfers...

That was a great transfer sheet. Wouldn't mind some resin upgrade bits for some of those warbands either (i.e. shoulderpads with raised insignia).

Aren't they just the old FW mkiii power weapons set? mace and hammer look about right to me?
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Legion-MKII-Power-Weapon-Set


i think the double handed chainsaw is the one from the despoiler stopgap resin kit

I think you're right.

Well that’s a relief. The release of those earlier stop-gap resin close combat weapons was a distinct low point for Heresy 2.0.

New sentinels

A little less impressive than the armoured one, if you don't mind me saying.

Here's a heavier version

I like the first but the second variant looks more orky made.

I love them. I want lots of them.

6 per unit is heaps. I wonder if it'll be 3 to a box. Potentially 42 in an army is a hilarious thought.

The heavy flamer one is going to be so amazing as soon as they remove reactions from the game

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 Snrub wrote:
I love them. I want lots of them.

6 per unit is heaps. I wonder if it'll be 3 to a box. Potentially 42 in an army is a hilarious thought.

It says 2 per box

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/01/heresy-thursday-scout-fast-and-strike-hard-with-the-hot-rod-sentinel-of-the-solar-auxilia/

I very much like these, the heavy version gives me the feeling of a duckling:


Also in case we didn't have confirmation where the rules will come from yet:

Rules for both kinds of Hermes squadron – and the larger Aethon Heavy Sentinel – will be found in the upcoming campaign book, The Battle for Beta-Garmon.

That is a dumbass design. I think even the AT-RT did the concept better.

Love these stupid lil things.

It's adorable!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It says 2 per box

Gah jeezus. How'd I miss that!?

Solar Auxila stole the Ash Wastes vehicle slot from Delaque it looks like.

These little guys aren't going to be fast moving scouts, they look like infantry support units. More mobile than rapiers, but small enough to fit pretty much where an ogryn or castaferrum dreadnought could

 RaptorusRex wrote:
That is a dumbass design. I think even the AT-RT did the concept better.

From a design point of view it looks pretty good. Particularly for a warhammer design, it looks like they actually put some thought into whether it can stay upright and balanced, as well as articulated the legs.
Given how impractical 'walker' type vehicles actually are, this is a cut above the usual nonsense.

I want three of the heavy version, I'm going to call them Huey, Dewey and Louie after the robots in Silent Running

Lowkey adorable

They're both awesome looking!

So, how many will the Auxilia be able to bring on a Zone Mortalis mission?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Solar Auxila stole the Ash Wastes vehicle slot from Delaque it looks like.

These little guys aren't going to be fast moving scouts, they look like infantry support units. More mobile than rapiers, but small enough to fit pretty much where an ogryn or castaferrum dreadnought could

Article is constantly saying fast and scout.

The heavy one is more of infantry support ones.

It's propperly fugly that it perfectly fits. I love it, but won't field it. Because malcador > everything else solar auxilia.

Wonder how easy it'll be to swap the crew over for an Enforcer torso? Every model being a Necromunda model after all, they would be perfect for riot control in the wastes.

 zedmeister wrote:
Here's a heavier version

Spoiler:

You'd think putting the promethium tank behind the armor to not make it a big target would even cross the mind of an Imperial engineer. But maybe not.
Easily my favourite Sentinel design.

Someone tweaked it on Reddit to see what it would look like with the legs stretched taller

 GaroRobe wrote:
Someone tweaked it on Reddit to see what it would look like with the legs stretched taller

That's starting to look decent!

The heavy is just slowed design: why put prometheum tank in front? WHY?
Also, could it be that these are resin pre production models? I don't really see any of those atrocious plastic seam lines. Or maybe these were built really, really well.
As for how these will perform in game, if there's only multi laser, flamer, launcher and a single volkite..They aren't really killing anything. And they won't be line, so you can't spam them for t5/t6 harder to remove objective grabbers/campers.

I think I was expecting something closer to the old walking eggs, longer legs that would shoot over Marines kind of thing.

 CragHack wrote:
I don't really see any of those atrocious plastic seam lines.

Yea those haven't been much of a thing for 10-15 years now.

'Let's make a Heavy Sentinel! And let's make a Light Sentinel! And and let's make a Heavy-Light Sentinel!'
'Regular Sentinel..?'
'Shut up Steve!'

Im digging it, will eventually buy a bunch.

Rolsheen wrote:I want three of the heavy version, I'm going to call them Huey, Dewey and Louie after the robots in Silent Running

Or, Donald Duck's "nephews". The robots were named after them.

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Rolsheen wrote:I want three of the heavy version, I'm going to call them Huey, Dewey and Louie after the robots in Silent Running

Or, Donald Duck's "nephews". The robots were named after them.

Seems fitting, considering the duck like qualities of those Sentinels

I love the HvyLite walker! Might have a bash witrh me regular one for a DKoK special

I actually like these. I think because the gun shield is big enough to protect the driver from the front it seems workable as a light vehicle. The AT-RT in Star Wars always seemed dumb because of no protection for the driver.

I’m really liking them.

They are fairly short, but they look the part for an infantry support weapons platform.

Either/Or wrote:
I actually like these. I think because the gun shield is big enough to protect the driver from the front it seems workable as a light vehicle. The AT-RT in Star Wars always seemed dumb because of no protection for the driver.

I mean, from the front they protect the occupant more than a scout sentinel. The Sola Aux one, not the starwars one that is.

Best Solar Aux model so far.

Looks like that grenade launcher guy is going to be chronically short on ammo, with 6 shots (maybe 10 in some sort of linkage system). Doesn't look like there's any place to store another magazine, nor any backup weapon for the driver.

In any case, I wonder if anyone will convert these guys to have pistols and melee weapons.

 Malika2 wrote:

 SgtEeveell wrote:

Rolsheen wrote:I want three of the heavy version, I'm going to call them Huey, Dewey and Louie after the robots in Silent Running

Or, Donald Duck's "nephews". The robots were named after them.

Seems fitting, considering the duck like qualities of those Sentinels

I was thinking they looked more like the robots that's why I said Silent Running and not Ducktails.

Not a fan of the stubby legs, very Killa Kan to me. Guessing 48" Grenade Launcher?
Why only give it like 12 shots, no reloads? Promethium tank.. in front of armor plating, genius!

I think these look great. The stubby legs actually make sense - a lower profile means less chance of getting shot at, and more stability. While it looks a bit comical, it's also more practical. And it differentiates it more from the heavy version. But I agree with the comment about their questionable effectiveness (at least against Marines).

The fact that we have all these different walkers suggests that the SA are getting a pretty big range of models. I am looking forward to seeing the Ogryn Charonites.

So are the Hermes and the Aethon (?) on the same sprue or two kits?

Definitely not a fan of the Hermes, the front armor plate is much too small. Take a step to the right and you have a clear shot at the pilot.

Police in Cairo had these tiny little 3' wide pavise shields with the same practical issue. Bugged me there too.

The 2 variants are the Hermes and the Incursus. It says that both variants are in the kit.

I guess the shield on the Hermes is primarily to give the operator a sense of protection. It's not going to give him much actual protection from many of the weapons that were around in the Heresy. Much like many shielded weapons in real life (think of the M60 gunshields on an ACAV).

It's funny how the grenade launcher rounds have been painted (very skillfully) in olive drab with yellow lettering, as if they're for the US Army. It makes them immediately recognisable, but there's no reason they'd be in these colours.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


So are the Hermes and the Aethon (?) on the same sprue or two kits?

Definitely not a fan of the Hermes, the front armor plate is much too small. Take a step to the right and you have a clear shot at the pilot.

Police in Cairo had these tiny little 3' wide pavise shields with the same practical issue. Bugged me there too.

The Aethon is the big boy, is that what you meant? Cos they’re definitely 2 kits. The 2 versions of the little one are one kit though, 2 models that can make either variant.

Thank you, yes, I mean Hermes and the other one.

And yeah I agree with whoever said it should have been the return of the Angry Egg Walker, this is just too squat, and doesn't really look fast.

The Necro Cawdor walkers, those look fast.

Between these lil’guys and the Venator (for Necromunda) we’re halfway to getting Elysians back. Just need some appropriate head-swaps.

My understanding is that they are both the Hermes. The heavier one is an "Incursus pattern Hermes" or "Hermes Incursus", but still a Hermes.

My Problem with all of this is, that i am forced yet again to buy another book for units of a faction i allready bought the rules for, which will be not guaranteed to be available where i am.

This would be an amazing book to own, if I thought for one second I'd actually be able get my hands on one. It's a shame they're doing this as a limited edition.

Don't want to think about what they'll ask for this one.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/05/the-art-of-the-horus-heresy-the-best-covers-collected/

Too much, most likely. Also, I hate that cover. The less of Mary Sue Birdboy the better, IMO.

Scalpers will love that limited run.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Too much, most likely. Also, I hate that cover. The less of Mary Sue Birdboy the better, IMO.

Hey, at least it isn't Batman.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Too much, most likely. Also, I hate that cover. The less of Mary Sue Birdboy the better, IMO.

Hey, at least it isn't Batman.

And what praytell would be wrong with Kurze on the cover????

He does Isstvan, does Thramas, gets captured, kills some people on Macragge, gets captured again, and then gets stuffed in a pod and shot into space.

It was either going to be Horus, Sanguinius or the Emperor on that cover, pretending otherwise is silly.

I wasn't a fan of the heavy sentinel, but that little guy is fantastic. I'll be adding some of those to my SecDef force for MEdge, I think...

 Gert wrote:
He does Isstvan, does Thramas, gets captured, kills some people on Macragge, gets captured again, and then gets stuffed in a pod and shot into space.

That's the best summary of Kurze's contributions to the Heresy I've seen yet.

 insaniak wrote:
I'll be adding some of those to my SecDef force for MEdge, I think...

Oh yes, I'd like to see what you do with them. I always enjoy your conversions.

Yeah, Kurze has the MOST complete character arc in the entire Heresy...

6500 copies... yeah no. I may as well just download the covers and make my own e-book.

With blackjack! And hookers!

In fact forget the blackjack.

What were talking about again?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Too much, most likely. Also, I hate that cover. The less of Mary Sue Birdboy the better, IMO.

Hey, at least it isn't Batman.

Dysartes is just trying to pick a fight. We've got an "angry old men" thing.

Edit: Whoops. Meant to quote Racerguy180. Guess that old brain got me.

And we're back to yet moar marines...

Siege-Breaker Consul.

He seems to be pretty happy with his Pokedex

I like him. Holo on the terminal is a nice touch.

I feel like he probably should be in mk3 armor, and that he’s easy to proxy with parts from the 30k tank crew. Still a nice model

Is that a lil mark 6 marine hologram?

Ooh I like the helmet! Other than that, the model is.. a bit odd I guess? Like, he almost makes for decent Techmarine fodder, but something is still missing..

That copypaste of an epic scale tac marine on his thingamajig, not a fan

Nice looking Model. The Mk6 armour is fine.

Here in my City, Horus Heresy seems to run nice. The local Warhammer Store now gets a weekly refill for Legions Imperalis of two Core Sets and two detachment Sets (both with the same Unit). The space for 28mm Horus Heresy Stuff also got doubled and they get one Core Box also weekly.

I'm really digging the model, aside from that thing up his nose. Thankfully, I rarely use bare heads so it won't be an issue.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
He seems to be pretty happy with his Pokedex

"I chose you PHOSPHEXO!"

of course he is happy

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
I'm really digging the model, aside from that thing up his nose. Thankfully, I rarely use bare heads so it won't be an issue.

I assume he's just come from sieging Arrakis.

Didn't associate the model with the role of demolitions expert, but that of a communications or tactical officer. Still a nice model though.

I suppose he'd be a great model for Kill Team or BSF, if they were available in 30K flavours.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
He seems to be pretty happy with his Pokedex

"I chose you PHOSPHEXO!"

of course he is happy

Are we sure it’s not a Duel Disc?

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
He seems to be pretty happy with his Pokedex

"I chose you PHOSPHEXO!"

of course he is happy

Are we sure it’s not a Duel Disc?

It’s time to duel

I like the model a lot, but my first thought was "That's a really nice Legion Delegatus!"

SamusDrake wrote:
Didn't associate the model with the role of demolitions expert, but that of a communications or tactical officer. Still a nice model though.

I suppose he'd be a great model for Kill Team or BSF, if they were available in 30K flavours.

Yeah, I though he was a master of signals given the big datapad thing.

It's a really good model and I will probably pick it up to replace my own half-converted master of signals.

I like it, but the tube up his nose makes me think of Gerrard from Peep Show

What is the little hologram supposed to be exactly? Why is it so pixelated?

It's a dead marine buried in rubble.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
What is the little hologram supposed to be exactly? Why is it so pixelated?

I first thought it was a fortification of some description, but it might also be a marine (on the other end of a Zoom call?)

beast_gts wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
What is the little hologram supposed to be exactly? Why is it so pixelated?

I first thought it was a fortification of some description, but it might also be a marine (on the other end of a Zoom call?)

One of the pictures you can see it's the head & shoulders of a beakie marine, he's just pixelated out below the chest for some reason.

I assumed it was a staticy holo-call.

Nice looking mini overall, but hard to tell what role he fills at a glance. Could go a few ways, but that’s not a bad thing IMHO. Could be tweaked to be a number of different consouls..

 SgtEeveell wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
What is the little hologram supposed to be exactly? Why is it so pixelated?

I first thought it was a fortification of some description, but it might also be a marine (on the other end of a Zoom call?)

One of the pictures you can see it's the head & shoulders of a beakie marine, he's just pixelated out below the chest for some reason.

I think it’s supposed to be a massive stone statue that’s being built into some defensive line somewhere and he’s planning to smash it.

 ScarletRose wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Didn't associate the model with the role of demolitions expert, but that of a communications or tactical officer. Still a nice model though.

I suppose he'd be a great model for Kill Team or BSF, if they were available in 30K flavours.

Yeah, I though he was a master of signals given the big datapad thing.

It's a really good model and I will probably pick it up to replace my own half-converted master of signals.

Well, I think a siege master is essentially a master of signals dedicated to siege warfare- this role requires coordinating large quantities of artillery with assault troops and managing attrition. That is basically a logistical role unless they need to lead an assault directly.

Problem is a lot of Consuls are basically just Dudes.
Librarians, Forge Lords, Heralds, and Chaplains all have something stand out about them and most of the others are pretty standard character guy.

What are those cutout sections on his pauldrons and armor, with the corrugated rubber supposed to be?

Weird.

 RedSarge wrote:
What are those cutout sections on his pauldrons and armor, with the corrugated rubber supposed to be?

Weird.

They could be speakers, because there is also a place to plug in your chunky headphones at the center of the shoulderpad