Warlord Games is absolutely delighted to have secured the licence to produce a miniatures game based on the BBC's enormously popular TV series, Doctor Who (back on BBC One on September 19th!). So delighted we might just have a celebratory jelly baby.
As lifelong Doctor Who fans ourselves, we are extremely pleased to have the chance to bring this iconic series to the tabletop with a game system you all know and love as well as the official range of miniatures to complement it.
The licence covers not just the latest series of Doctor Who but encompasses all of the Doctors, their companions and their foes. So, expect to see Sea Devils as much as Weeping Angels, Leela as much as Martha Jones, and a long, brightly coloured scarf as much as a fez (fezzes are cool, by the way...).
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Didn't Crooked Dice also call their game the "Doctor Who Miniatures Game" when they still had the licence? Could have possibly chosen a better name choice to avoid confusion. =/
They did indeed. They still sell the starter booklet, though the website for it hasn't been updated since 2013 (http://www.drwhominiatures.co.uk/). Time to do a site scrape before it (potentially) goes away. They did close down the Yahoo and facebook groups a few months ago though
I'll be interested to see what rules Warlord intend to use for these too
You can still buy copies of the Crooked Dice rulebook at shows, though those are presumably old stock. I picked up a copy at one and frankly its just 7Tv with different names (or rather 7Tv is that with name changes).
Is it just me or is Doctor Who a pretty odd choice for a tabletop wargame? The central character has spent almost his entire life (the War Doctor notwithstanding) trying to avoid any kind of violence at all, never mind all up war.
I'm sure a fun game can be made of Cybermen fighting Daleks, but it just feels weird and not a good fit for the license.
As a wargame I agree Doctor Who makes little to no sense however the announcement does say miniatures game not miniature wargame. I can't help but wonder if Warlord are looking at the silly amounts of money being thrown by gamers at the likes of Zombicide and Imperial Assault. A campaign driven board game with excellent minis could certainly work with the Doctor Who license.
reds8n wrote: ... might be another source of cheap space corridors then.
Can you make space corridors for less than the original series scenery budget? Can someone make 28mm scale egg boxes so you can do authentic 70s Who sets?
So basically a cops and robbers game, but if you ever roll a double 1 you must immediately have an existential crisis, mental breakdown or wierd dream sequence featuring creepy 70s children's TV?
A year ago, I'd have been jumping up and down at the idea of official Dr Who minis, but the last series was bad enough to kill my interest in the show for the most part. Still, might not be able to say no to some nice 28mm Daleks...
If it's anything like the other Warlord boxed things, plenty of empty space, not to mention a shoddy getting started booklet that will tell you to read the included rulebook and play from there.
7TV is a development of the Dr Who Miniatures Games.
Presumably Warlord will write a new set of rules. It will be a chance to put in some non-destructive elements, though TBH non-violent resolutions normally consist of the Doctor getting everyone to sit down and negotiate, which doesn't seem like a good rule mechanism in itself but if it can be made dependent on achieving non-violent scenario objectives I think it could be done rather well.
The big plus here is that we can hope for good 28mm figures for all the major monsters.
Very cool, I can see a really great skirmish game being made out of it.
Themed scenario games don't have to be violent to be fun, the "steal mushrooms from farmer maggot" lotr scenario was great.
If anything there's an opportunity there to create a different kind of wargame, one that focuses on objectives and outsmarting to win rather than violence.
Wyrmalla wrote: Didn't Crooked Dice also call their game the "Doctor Who Miniatures Game" when they still had the licence? Could have possibly chosen a better name choice to avoid confusion. =/
Crooked Dice didn't have a licence, as far as I know. It was and is all unofficial.
Kilkrazy wrote: The big plus here is that we can hope for good 28mm figures for all the major monsters.
Debatable judging by Gates of Antares. Although all the design work is already done for Cybermen, Daleks, etc, and WLG do make nice miniatures (as opposed to the ones they buy from others).
Manchu wrote: Debatable judging by Gates of Antares. Although all the design work is already done and WLG do make nice miniatures (as opposed to the ones they buy from others).
Well said. BtGoA has yet to produce a single inspiring (or inspired) mini.
Kilkrazy wrote: The big plus here is that we can hope for good 28mm figures for all the major monsters.
Debatable judging by Gates of Antares. Although all the design work is already done for Cybermen, Daleks, etc, and WLG do make nice miniatures (as opposed to the ones they buy from others).
So the GoA design team isn't inspired, but the miniature sculpts themselves are crisp and well detailed (at least the 4 boxes of figs I have for GoA are)
Heresy make a line of not dr who models that are much better than the crooked dice one.
The dream would be for this to use the rule set from the terminator game, and have plastic darlek / cybermen box sets. Add in the terminators and my mars attacks minis and maybe some of the alien vs predator stuff from prodos and i have a great Sci fi club game in the works.
judgedoug wrote: So the GoA design team isn't inspired, but the miniature sculpts themselves are crisp and well detailed (at least the 4 boxes of figs I have for GoA are)
Right, that's the point I was making. Bad designs, nice miniatures.
Tamereth wrote: The dream would be for this to use the rule set from the terminator game
Seems unlikely. WLG are just the distributors for Terminator, which is by River Horse (although River Horse employee Dylan Owen did the layout for Blood on the Nile and Devil's Playground, as I discovered recently). Also, not sure how Terminator rules would apply to essentially non-violent Doctor Who games. I guess the dice step thing could be cool in a Doctor Who game, given it will probably be a fig-by-fig sort of game (like Terminator).
The great thing about a Doctor Who game is that it could conceivably cover any genre from Lovecraftian Horror to Sci-fi epic and anywhere in between. Not to mention you could get away with using damn near any miniatures as well. Since Warlord is doing this, I suspect plenty of cross-selling it with their historical lines.
Black tree Designs had the official (pre revamp) Dr Who gaming licence quite a few years back and released a boxed game along with a significant miniature line. The game is long oop but they are still selling off the old stock in the online store -
Yeah, I keep wondering what would you do in such a game. The modern show is driven by character arcs. Can that work as a miniatures game? It will be interesting to see details. I mean, it has to be some kind of cooperative game or else it's monsters versus monsters where the Doctor shows up as a kind of AI-controlled trouble maker.
Chances are they'll do a new set of rules for this one. Bolt Action is very out of place and the Dredd rules belong to Mongoose Publishing or the like, so I wouldn't count on those being used either.
BrookM wrote: Chances are they'll do a new set of rules for this one. Bolt Action is very out of place and the Dredd rules belong to Mongoose Publishing or the like, so I wouldn't count on those being used either.
Dr Who in MC1 -
Pretty sure there is a Tom Baker block mentioned somewhere - in the GW material if not fleetway........
Manchu wrote: Well they did say they will use a system we know and love.
We'll see then, maybe the Terminator Genesis system? I'm having a hard time seeing the Bolt Action, or any of their other historical systems being applied to this. Unless it's a modified version of Bolt Action or Gates of Whatever.
They make plastic and metal figures as well as plastic and resin+metal vehicles for WW1 and WW2. Many of the metal figs (ancients through WW2) and resin+metal vehicles they sell are scultps they purchased from smaller companies. The stuff they have designed themselves is better quality sculpt-wise (barring the Gates of Antares concept designs, although as noted above the figs are still of could quality in terms of manufacturing). They also distribute rules and figs for other companies, such as some Perry plastics and ranges like Terminator for River Horse and Judge Dredd (and at some point Victory at Sea) for Mongoose. They also just announced they will be distributing Wargames Factory figs.
Like some others, I'm curious how the DW franchise will be adapted to a tabletop miniatures game. A straight up skirmish combat game seems a poor fit, but if they can incorporate some non-violent victory conditions it could end up being something new and different.
In any case, unless they are total rubish I'll be buying the miniatures at the very least. One set for me, and another for my nephew.
endtransmission wrote: They did indeed. They still sell the starter booklet, though the website for it hasn't been updated since 2013 (http://www.drwhominiatures.co.uk/). Time to do a site scrape before it (potentially) goes away. They did close down the Yahoo and facebook groups a few months ago though
I'll be interested to see what rules Warlord intend to use for these too
Thanks for the heads-up. I just grabbed everything besides The Dalek Invasion of Earth, since I'm not joining a bloody Yahoo group for it. Anyone else here got a copy of that?
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Manchu wrote: BA seems unlikely, right? I mean, it is unit-based.
Surtur wrote: Can't wait until there's a Monty Pythons flying miniatures game
Age of Gumbys?
In all seriousness, your point is well taken. Wish they had kept this under their hats until they could give a bit more explanation.
I wonder if in part the early announcement is intended to let companies with unofficial (and once official) minis/rules etc offload as much as their stock as possible before the Warlord game comes out and they start sending out polite letters asking them to stop
since in taking on a big licence you are usually obliged to enforce it as part and parcel of it
If they do a unit based wargame out of this I would be thrilled
What a lot of people need to remember is that whilst Doctor Who does have a focus on the Doctor and non-violence, there are lots and I mean lots of militaristic armies within the who-verse, such as you have your Daleks and Cybermen, and your Sontarans, then you have the Silurians and the Sea Devils, you have UNIT and even the Time Lords had a military defense force (which most likely expanded with the Time War). You have the Autons, Ice Warriors, Rutans Mechanoids, etc etc. The list is very much out there with tons of potential.
I would love to see if they are allowed to do expanded and detailed, in-depth fluff on the Time War, I'm sure it would be awesome to gain info and that era.
I can honestly see this as a skirmish game due to the fact that you have factions out there which may be too hard to pull off in a unit based wargame such as the Weeping Angels, but if we get a unit based wargame I would happily throw a clenched fist full of money into my computer monitor as long as the sculpts were plastic and very fine quality
Sign me up for two armies of Daleks! (one painted gold and one painted up in the colors of the Imperial Daleks. All hail Emperor Davros hehe ).
I'm gonna get a Weeping Angel army. Should be quite a forgiving starter army.
Just sit there and do nothing for an hour or so and whenever your opponent turns around you can advance your force as quickly and as far as you can and smash their army to pieces.
"We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?"
"Four."
"You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?"
"We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek!"
Bolognesus wrote: Are those just the old impossible-to-find plastic daleks?
No, they are the newer designs that got given away with Dr Who Adventures magazine a few years back. One of mine had been crushed, hence zombie Davros.
Hopefully they can keep selling them. There's at least two separate and distinct current Judge Dredd lines out there, so hopefully the Doctors can be the same...
Bolognesus wrote: Are those just the old impossible-to-find plastic daleks?
No, they are the newer designs that got given away with Dr Who Adventures magazine a few years back. One of mine had been crushed, hence zombie Davros.
Ah, the other impossible-to-get kind Nice collection.
Would be really good to get a proper plastic kit from WG for a bunch of those. Hell, it should be easy enough; keep the plungers and head separate and they're basically as multipart as they need to be for every possible pose
Unless they do something completely off the wall and have the game all about achieving objectives, (sneaking into the room to save Ramona) then I don't see how this is a good fit for table top games.
Don't get me wrong. I'd LOVE this and my wife would love it even more. But it's gotta feel right. It has to feel like Dr. Who and not some wargame with Dr. Who minis.
As a big fan of fake violence, I have to say, the less violence and more adventure in this game would be for the best.
As others have mentioned before, I wouldn't mind fighting battles between various less non-violently inclined factions in the setting for years to come. If anything they might do well to have a low model count option like what you're proposing and a larger scale game that let's you field 20-50 sontarans with support against a sizeable cyberman army. There's got to be more than a bit of an audience for that, right?
Kilkrazy wrote: The big plus here is that we can hope for good 28mm figures for all the major monsters.
Debatable judging by Gates of Antares. Although all the design work is already done for Cybermen, Daleks, etc, and WLG do make nice miniatures (as opposed to the ones they buy from others).
MWHistorian wrote: Unless they do something completely off the wall and have the game all about achieving objectives, (sneaking into the room to save Ramona) then I don't see how this is a good fit for table top games.
Don't get me wrong. I'd LOVE this and my would love it even more. But it's gotta feel right. It has to feel like Dr. Who and not some wargame with Dr. Who minis.
As a big fan of fake violence, I have to say, the less violence and more adventure in this game would be for the best.
If I was a betting man, I'd be betting on them using the Judge Dredd miniatures game rules as that has rpg-lite elements and most potential for non-combat ways of winning out of their current rule systems so should fit the feel of Dr Who better.
I feel this would have to be an imperial assault-ISBN type game for it to realky fit thematically. One of the things with IA is, sure you could stand there and shot down dozens of stormtroopers but you will eventually lose. You have to keep moving to the objectives in order to win. In other words. Keep running.
Bolognesus wrote: Would be really good to get a proper plastic kit from WG for a bunch of those.
Oh man, a Dalek plastic sprue to make all kinds of Daleks ... haha, I don't even like Doctor Who that much but that sounds great to me! I guess I have always liked the Daleks, though. I kind of doubt that the style of game will support plastic miniatures kits, however, unless it really is BA but with armies consisting of various aliens from Doctor Who.
Bolognesus wrote: Would be really good to get a proper plastic kit from WG for a bunch of those.
Oh man, a Dalek plastic sprue to make all kinds of Daleks ... haha, I don't even like Doctor Who that much but that sounds great to me! I guess I have always liked the Daleks, though. I kind of doubt that the style of game will support plastic miniatures kits, however, unless it really is BA but with armies consisting of various aliens from Doctor Who.
I don't know about that. I mean, you can comprehensively fit a single dalek model able to make pretty much any kind, in any pose (yay glorified trash cans ) on something the size of their Bolt Action weapons sprues, for example. That shouldn't cost the world to make (not anymore - cost of plastics production has gone down a fair bit) and I'm sure they have a fair idea what a boatload they'd sell just for use outside their own game. It's friggin' Doctor Who!
Now the large BA-infantry sprue sized multipose plastic cybermen kit might take some prayer and convincing. You get the lead pipe, I'll bring my pliers
Synthetik wrote: I thought the dr who minitures game from crooked dice was not for sale.
It was always promoted as unofficial and hence 7tv was born from it.
The Dr Who game predates 7TV and became the foundation of the rules. There were some print copes of the book, along with a very small intro pack; neither of which were official CD releases (apparently), but could be bought from them at shows.
TheWaspinator wrote: "We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?"
"Four."
"You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?"
"We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek!"
That is probably my favorite Doctor Who moment, and ironically it doesn't involve the Doctor or any of his companions.
Some say that he's made of bits of old sprue and Rogue Trader era RTB01 Space Marines
Some say that he's entirely fueled by plastic cement and those bits of models you dropped on the floor while glueing and are now covered in carpet lint
all we know is...
he's the 28mm Stig!
Something like the Deadzone/Mars Attacks rules would be perfect for this. Different factions having different objectives. Dr Who plus some companions having to grab a secret objective or get across the board to the Tardis. Dalek's would be exterminate, exterminate. Weeping Angels would be sneaky up behind people...
Some say that he's made of bits of old sprue and Rogue Trader era RTB01 Space Marines
Some say that he's entirely fueled by plastic cement and those bits of models you dropped on the floor while glueing and are now covered in carpet lint
all we know is...
he's the 28mm Stig!
I already have my Top-Gear Wolves.
The three are on Thunder Wolves and The Stig-Iron-Priest on a Thunder Wolf.
Further article posted yesterday regarding the release format. The article also states it's going to be a new rule system but could be a misunderstanding.
The company will produce a starter game as well as a hardback book detailing instructions for how to defeat Doctor Who‘s foes.There will be a new game system devised to fit into the Doctor Who universe and to allow the existing characters to work to the best effect. John Stallard, managing director or Warlord Games, said that he expects Cybermen and Daleks to be the most popular figurines. “You can’t beat a Dalek,” he added.
Work started recently on the figurines and Mr Stallard said that he hopes the first games should be ready in a few months. They have reportedly started sculpting the first models, commencing with ‘the bad guys’ and once these have been approved by the BBC they can start on the figures of all 12 Doctors confirmed for the set.
Some say that he's made of bits of old sprue and Rogue Trader era RTB01 Space Marines
Some say that he's entirely fueled by plastic cement and those bits of models you dropped on the floor while glueing and are now covered in carpet lint
all we know is...
he's the 28mm Stig!
I already have my Top-Gear Wolves.
The three are on Thunder Wolves and The Stig-Iron-Priest on a Thunder Wolf.
Is one a ratling, one with floppy hair and a glass of wine and the last, perhaps the leader, just a giant scrotum in denim, entirely sculpted from greenstuff?
On the subject of the game itself, one idea I had for a demo game at wargames shows was a time travel crossover game. The playing area would be divided into multiple sections, with some sections being the same place, but in each others' past and future - actions in the past would affect the future location.
That's where the idea stalled (it was also hampered by a lack of miniatures for Marty and Doc Brown or Bill and Ted), but I still think there's the core of an idea there.
Alternatively, I thought we could run a "Chase"-style Doctor Who scenario. Not on our own table - this would move through the hall, taking place on the other game tables. There's plenty of scope to come up with a game idea that's not just "Daleks, Cybermen and UNIT shooting at each other".
Aeneades wrote: Further article posted yesterday regarding the release format. The article also states it's going to be a new rule system but could be a misunderstanding.
The company will produce a starter game as well as a hardback book detailing instructions for how to defeat Doctor Who‘s foes.There will be a new game system devised to fit into the Doctor Who universe and to allow the existing characters to work to the best effect. John Stallard, managing director or Warlord Games, said that he expects Cybermen and Daleks to be the most popular figurines. “You can’t beat a Dalek,” he added.
Work started recently on the figurines and Mr Stallard said that he hopes the first games should be ready in a few months. They have reportedly started sculpting the first models, commencing with ‘the bad guys’ and once these have been approved by the BBC they can start on the figures of all 12 Doctors confirmed for the set.
Does this mean the War Doctor isn't included as an option? Since hearing about this he was the one model I wanted to get.
I think he will be included but just doesn't appear in the count as he isn't an officially numbered doctor (and some fans seem to get very agitated when he is given a number). I have a feeling he won't appear in the first wave of releases but will be released within the first year.
AndrewGPaul wrote: On the subject of the game itself, one idea I had for a demo game at wargames shows was a time travel crossover game. The playing area would be divided into multiple sections, with some sections being the same place, but in each others' past and future - actions in the past would affect the future location.
That's where the idea stalled (it was also hampered by a lack of miniatures for Marty and Doc Brown or Bill and Ted), but I still think there's the core of an idea there.
Alternatively, I thought we could run a "Chase"-style Doctor Who scenario. Not on our own table - this would move through the hall, taking place on the other game tables. There's plenty of scope to come up with a game idea that's not just "Daleks, Cybermen and UNIT shooting at each other".
Those are both really fun ideas. Obviously the second one requires the agreement of the show organisers and the other games where you want to be able to time travel.
Speaking of Doctor WHo popping up in unexpected places, I saw the Tardis on top of a storage company building near the Hoover Building on the Western Avenue in west London recently.
Some say that he's made of bits of old sprue and Rogue Trader era RTB01 Space Marines
Some say that he's entirely fueled by plastic cement and those bits of models you dropped on the floor while glueing and are now covered in carpet lint
all we know is...
he's the 28mm Stig!
I already have my Top-Gear Wolves.
The three are on Thunder Wolves and The Stig-Iron-Priest on a Thunder Wolf.
Is one a ratling, one with floppy hair and a glass of wine and the last, perhaps the leader, just a giant scrotum in denim, entirely sculpted from greenstuff?
No, but I have a Tall One with a Thunder Hammer {Won't be Quiet}, A Medium sized one with a Power Fist and Wolf Claw {It is all about Efficacy} and the Short one {I am still working on his signature Weapon though}
I can see this being expensive for me! I hope they don't try to interfere with companies making not-Dr Who figures, there's planety of room for everyone.
It's weird Martha and Wilfred look immediately recognisable maybe some sort of lightness thing since David Tennant quite a big actor now, they're not allowed to use his exact likeness? Or maybe it's Marvel related?
It's hard to judge from the small size of the photos -- though in fairness they are "lifesize" -- but his face looks a bit static. David Tennant was one of the more jumping about gurning type of doctors and often wore specs. This looks like a bloke feeling a bit glum.
There are several nice Not Doctor Who figures by Heresy Miniatures.
There is the whole legal concept of "right of publicity", but I know for a fact that action figures exist for the 10th Doctor so the BBC obviously gets permission in their employment contracts to make merchandise of their actors.
TheWaspinator wrote: There is the whole legal concept of "right of publicity", but I know for a fact that action figures exist for the 10th Doctor so the BBC obviously gets permission in their employment contracts to make merchandise of their actors.
There are some associated rights in various degree and it's a jungle with BBC having perhaps a claim to designing the clothing setup, etc. but Warlord are the official range anyway, I thought. But it's not easy to cram a lot of facial detail into a little blob the size of the head of a match.
I shall take comfort from the fact that worse things happen at sea.
I'm not a lawyer but yes, it is possible to have the rights to do a comic/toy etc but NOT the likeness of the actors.
IIRC that's why the characters in the Real Ghostbusters cartoon were so stylized, they had the right to do the Ghostbusters but not the likeness of Dan Akorid, Bill Murry etc.
I'm actually thinking the bulk of the problem is the hair... The face isn't actually that far off (just a little wide), but the hair is just all wrong.
Painting on all three in that pic is fantastic, though.
I'm not a lawyer but yes, it is possible to have the rights to do a comic/toy etc but NOT the likeness of the actors.
IIRC that's why the characters in the Real Ghostbusters cartoon were so stylized, they had the right to do the Ghostbusters but not the likeness of Dan Akorid, Bill Murry etc.
IIRC the Prodos AVP kickstarter mess of a project had the same quirk. The backers funded a "Dutch" figure but it was the character with a big bionic arm from an old 1990's videogame and not the same named Arnold Schwarzeneggar character from the first movie.
The first two sets are up for pre-order from Warlord, £19.99 for 5 miniatures in pewter:
No images of the Twelfth Doctor Miniatures are up yet:
No specific release date, just that "it is due to be released in summer".
Also future plastics are confirmed:
"We are pleased to present the first releases available for pre-order. The models are high quality pewter castings, officially approved by the BBC. Our forthcoming range will also include plastic Daleks, Cybermen and Unit troopers, as well as many more pewter figures."
TheWaspinator wrote: Huh. If you try to view from their US store, you get an error message saying that they only have a UK license. This game might be hard to get.
Yes. People have been asking questions about this for several days on the Warlord Games forum but so far no one from the company has bothered to reply. Very frustrating.
I'd LOVE to have good plastic daleks and cybermen.
But knowing Warlord, they'll be scaled like their terminator endoskeletons are, so they look way too small next to any other company's standard line (40K, Mantic, pretty much everything.)
Dreams of having Daleks invade the 40K universe are going to be dashed because the Warlord Daleks are going to look puny and undersized, ditto for the cybermen. They'll be fine for Warlords Dr. Who game, but useless for crossing over with anything else.
I know that sounds harsh and pessimistic. Chalk that up to my severe disappointment with Warlord's terminator endos, which could have been a great addition to miniature gaming, but instead of looking menacing and powerful, are scrawny. Also, I'm very tired of every previous Dalek miniature incarnation (including GW's), plastic or metal, never being large enough to blend in with any other lines. If GW or even Mantic were making the new plastic Daleks, I'm pretty sure scale wouldn't be an issue. But Warlord doing them has me worried that the shorty Dalek trend will continue.
I'd be delighted, and buy a bunch of their plastic Dr. Who product, if Warlord would prove me wrong this time.
This went up a few days ago but I was on holiday, but pictures of the Twelfth Doctor are up. Overall I like them better than the Tennant one, but how they have made one of (imo) the most beautiful assistants that the Doctor has ever had more of a potato head than Strax I do not really know.
Vastra and Jenny are awesome, although I'd like to see an alt sculpt of Vastra in her mourning dress and Jenny in her uniform. I guess it makes sense that they're dressed for a fight in a skirmish game though.
12 is the pick of the bunch there, they've captured him at his coolest in the mini, but the others don't do much for me... do we know if they plan on releasing these minis on their own down the line?
The painted Zygon looks pretty good. Probably creepier than the actual costume is. Clara does look like a bit of a miss, but the rest look good. Are Vastra and her group officially considered Companions?
They need to show off the Daleks and Cybermen though. They have to know that they're what people really want.
Paradigm wrote: 12 is the pick of the bunch there, they've captured him at his coolest in the mini, but the others don't do much for me... do we know if they plan on releasing these minis on their own down the line?
Good question about the individual release, I will ask some of the Warlord lot via the GoA facebook group.
Bit weird that they based 12 on the one scene in one episode, maybe it points to multiple sculpts?
IGtR= wrote: Just contrasting these sculpts with the GWLoTR sculpts by the Perry brothers makes me sad to think how good these could have been in the right hands,
All three of them.
Not a fan of these sculpts at all myself, I feel Heresy might have some better stand-ins.
IGtR= wrote: Just contrasting these sculpts with the GWLoTR sculpts by the Perry brothers makes me sad to think how good these could have been in the right hands,
August 11, 2016 - News & Announcements - Tagged: vacancy
The Warlord Games design studio is looking to further add to its stable of freelance sculptors. In particular we’re looking for more capacity for sculpting our Doctor Who and Beyond the Gates of Antares range digitally although top notch traditional sculptors are also welcome!
If you are capable of producing startling likenesses of characters such as Captain Jack Harkness, Sarah Jane Smith and Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, along with the ability to replicate the various monsters and baddies from the show to the quality of the figures shown below, we are interested in seeing what you can do.
Please send example images of your best work in this vein to our Design Studio Manager at paul.sawyer@warlordgames.com along with your availability and any pertinent information about yourself or your experience.
Something about the pose of many of these figures seems a bit off to me, I don't care for them and much prefer the Crooked Dice, Heresy or even Harlequin range.
I hope the plastic Daleks and Cybermen are better. Surely you can't get Daleks wrong if you just stick to the correct proportions.
I'm a n old Dr Who fan though. I'd love plastics of Cybermen from the Invasion or Earthshock, but this looks like a New Series only licence.
I've read on one of the Dr.Who minis FB groups that someones seen these minis and they tower over 28mill, but that's just from what I've read on FB groups.
All around the Warlord offices there have been cries of "Ex-ter-minate!"
Our Time Agents investigated and discovered this - one of the first test sprues of the forthcoming plastic Dalek models. As you can see, they come in 3 parts that snap together - no glue needed!
I saw that the Doctor Who minis are 38mm tall as opposed to 25/28/33mm. So more like the marvel and Batman minis. At that larger scale those metal models really do look horrendous. Sure the darleks look fine but I just can't get other the metals.
What I'm trying to say is. A larger scale model, you would expect a closer likeness. - There's more room to work with.
I would almost give them the excuse of: "Not everyone can be the Perry Twins working on the LOTR range (14 years ago, though! 14 years!)" if these were 25mm sculpts.
EG Elrond, from Fellowship of the Ring.
25mm sculpt, in metal. - A centimetre smaller than Warlords Doctor Who range.
WIlfred and his sculpt still rock. Never thought I'd see him as a mini! Clara though... wow....even though I've seen her before, seeing that sculpt again is still a shock.
Just arrived in our design studio - first test castings of our forthcoming plastic Cybermen!
Like the plastic Daleks, these are completely push-fit - no glue required, with a quick construction that nevertheless provides some nice variety of poses!
Wow, those cybermen poses are very stiff. Some more dynamic poses like hopping over rubble or taking cover/aiming from a kneel would have been good for variety.
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Just kidding! sorta... they are indeed stiff but appropriate to their limited range of motion when not marching in the show! Nice detail on the figs as well. I'm surprised they're making so much in plastic.
I felt pretty burned when I bought the Terminator Genysis game for the miniatures, but I'd be willing to spend the same amount per mini on these Dalek and Cybermen miniatures with only the slightest grumbling.
Hope they have sprues or small box options available.
Dysartes wrote: What was wrong with the Genisys figures, Bob? They looked pretty decent when I saw them in the plastic at UKGE 2015.
Nothing if they cost $1 or at most $1.50 per figure. For the prices they charged, the detail was soft, especially on the humans, the poses were really bland on the terminators, the parts fit poorly for modern high-level plastics, the human weapons were blobby and silly looking, especially the plasma guns, the humans were generally EM4 quality at GW prices, and there were no options for the terminators and few for the humans. They were clearly designed (and well done) as playing pieces for a Target Blowout Shelf mass appeal boardgame, but they were priced like premium table top wargame miniatures.
Considering Warlord's history and current range, I am expecting the worst.
@Bob: Did you pay full price for them early on or get them when they started to populate the online discount bins of various stores? Obviously that doesn't affect the quality vs MSRP price analysis (I didn't buy them even at a discount so can't comment on that) but I'm just curious.
warboss wrote: @Bob: Did you pay full price for them early on or get them when they started to populate the online discount bins of various stores? Obviously that doesn't affect the quality vs MSRP price analysis (I didn't buy them even at a discount so can't comment on that) but I'm just curious.
Before discount bins, sadly. there was some discount, but I remember thinking that only brought the minis down to something like $3 per mini. I tell myself that I'll eventually play the game when my kid is old enough to see the movies, but I know that's just a comforting lie.
Funny thing is the local FLGS has all the Genysis stuff in the bins, and they're still about $2 per figure and not moving. I guess once they have been there for ten years they can go back to full price, like the dozen boxes of Starship Troopers Hopper Bugs the FLGS can't move.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Considering Warlord's history and current range, I am expecting the worst.
What kits in particular is your ire directed at? The plastics produced in-house and subcontracted for Warlord's own games have been quite excellent - all the in-house GoA plastics, in-house and Italeri designed Bolt Action vehicles, in-house Bolt Action infantry.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Considering Warlord's history and current range, I am expecting the worst.
What kits in particular is your ire directed at? The plastics produced in-house and subcontracted for Warlord's own games have been quite excellent - all the in-house GoA plastics, in-house and Italeri designed Bolt Action vehicles, in-house Bolt Action infantry.
Well, by their history, I mean that they have some of the worst historical plastics around. You of all people, constantly railing against bobble heads and melon hands, should be aware of Bolt Sction's terrible, terrible heroic scale. Huge heads, dumpy little bodies, and true scale weapons that look feeble and disquieting on such lumpy bastards, they're the worst heroic scale minis on the market, outside of the Epirian Contractors. But they certainly aren't the cheapest! In fact, when Wargames Factory put out better quality plastics at cheaper prices, Warlord had to go and ruin it for everyone. Yes, I hold a grudge over that. Tripling the prices on the survivors and putting the Samurai into direct order sprue limbo were both dick moves.
For their current range, the GoA plastics are somewhat better. The Ghar war suits are fantastic, worth their price even for a tight bastard like me, but the human plastics are just...ugh. Most of them have to be assembled into Perry Miniatures' style No Excitement Allowed poses. They're scrawny and fairly plain, which makes the price per mini more of an issue for me. The drones are great, and so are the weapon designs in my opinion, but they come on the same sprue as the most boring sci fi plastics around. I honestly prefer the Proxie dudes, who are at least fun and cheap enough to screw around with for conversions guilt free.
Oh yeah, and there's an entire thread about how Warlord has released some terrible Doctor Who minis.
OT: ThinkGeek has a CyberMonday sale that's lasted past Monday, and I found a fair amount of Dr. Who stuff in their ONSALE area. The Cyber promotion is free shipping, so you can pick up some Whovian without going after $75 of stuff. Picked up a lit Dr. Who TARDIS Chrismas ornament, myself!
Warlord are delighted to announce our next Doctor Who release based on characters from the upcoming BBC 2016 Christmas special, The Return Of Doctor Mysterio...
The first new episode in twelve months sees the Doctor and the previously decapitated Nardole (Matt Lucas taking on the companion role, now thankfully with his head reattached) arrive in present day New York. They team up with reporter Lucy Fletcher and the mysterious superhero the Ghost to fight aliens with a fondness for brain-swapping.
These two beautifully sculpted pewter figures feature the Ghost as portrayed by Justin Chatwin, and Dr Sim, played by Aleksandar Jovanovic.
This set will be shipped late January 2017 - Pre-Order Today!
Watch the episode on Christmas Day at 5:45pm on BBC One.
I'm not much for a miniatures game based on Dr. Who (despite loving the show, except for the latest doctor), but I feel the need for an army of Jadoon, Daleks and Cybermen.
This seems pertinent here:
DOCTOR WHO INTO THE TIME VORTEX: AN INTERVIEW WITH PAUL SAWYER (PART 1)
December 21, 2016 -
By Alan Huntung
Last week I met with our head of product design, Paul, for a chat about the Doctor Who range and posed him some questions. Here are his responses:
Q. Tell us a bit about the history of warlord games and what led you to secure the who licence?
Warlord Games was established by myself and John Stallard in 2007. We had both previously worked for Games Workshop before being made redundant, so we set up the company (Warlord Games) together and our first release were 28mm plastic Romans, a legionaries boxed set. No one had really made historical figures in plastic before! We actually made our own enquiries about obtaining the Doctor Who licence, and after a lot of time had passed, we were granted it. We have the licence to cover all 50+ years of the series so possibilities are endless.
Q. Can you talk about the process of producing a figure, from initial choice getting the figures approved to the design/ manufacture process?
Our Doctor Who figures are all designed and manufactured here in Nottingham. In terms of figure choice, we are trying to put out a range which encompasses all eras of Doctor Who. Figures have to be approved by the BBC and sometimes this takes a long time! By approval, we mean the likeness has to be approved by the original actor and if that actor is no longer with us, often their estate has to approve it. Billie Piper had her figurine in her possession for months before she approved it, and Kylie Minogue has had her Astrid figure for a while now. Busy actors mean we have to wait longer to manufacture them!
The likeness has to be approved by the original actor and if that actor is no longer with us, often their estate has to approve it.
At the moment, we have dozens of figures awaiting approval, some are approved far quicker than others. In terms of design, with the forthcoming cybermen boxed set, to take an example, the same sculptor has designed all ten figures in the box, which makes the figures consistent in design.
Q. Would you consider producing a scenery/terrain/battleground range to go with the collection e.g. a scale TARDIS or console room set?
For now we are concentrating on releasing as many boxed sets of figures as we can, and our first game release. We have been talking about a TARDIS, however, so that will be produced sooner rather than later. I like the idea of limited edition dioramas, like Mickey Smith being sucked into the Auton bin. (At this point, I suggest to Paul it has a burping sound chip included!)
Q. Any forthcoming figures you can talk about?
The Tetraps are coming next, followed by the Cybermen set. We have a Papal Mainframe set in the pipeline, and the Sea Devils look fantastic, based on the original 1970’s designs. Plastic Daleks and 2013 style Cybermen in their own boxes. The 9th Doctor and Companions release will include 9, Rose (Different sculpt to the 10th Doctor set), Jackie, Mickey and Captain Jack as he appeared in The Empty Child/ The Doctor Dances. The 11th Doctor and Companions set will include The 11th Doctor, Amy and Rory based on their first episode costumes (My eyes widen at the thought of the police woman costume adorning Amy) and of course River.
Q. Do you have any advice for collectors who have never tried out war gaming but want to get into the hobby?
Buy the forthcoming game! Our Dalek and Cyberman figures are in and they look fantastic. The cards look amazing and the game is having another play test soon (This Friday, look out for pictures soon after) and the final box design is being worked on.
TheWaspinator wrote: Have any of the alternative Doctor Who figures survived? Hoping to find a decent Tennant somewhere.
That's a shame, both the Heresy and Crooked Dice ones seem to be gone. Instead we have these Warlord ones which are quite poor. The 10th Doctor and Wilf are horribly 2D, like they were cast in the 90s. The posing of the Wilf looks especially awkward. The plastic Daleks look good but I'd prefer original series ones, and the Harlequin ones were pretty poor.
... Instead we have these Warlord ones which are quite poor. The 10th Doctor and Wilf are horribly 2D, like they were cast in the 90s. The posing of the Wilf looks especially awkward. ...
No box of Cybus style Cybermen yet? Damn. I guess I'll make due with the Nightmare in Silver style, but I really hope we get more than just that one Cybus style one that's in the big 10 figure box.
If that Mysterio set is as Good as the renders suggest then it is a vast improvement over the previous two Doctor sets, I guess we will wait and see. I just hope that the future Tennant's and Calpaldi's are a lot better.
The actor approval thing is odd, if I were them most of those sculpts would have been dismissed out of hand. That said there is presidence in that the 5 inch action figure line is often pretty terrible as well.
I'm actually quite happy with my Tenth Doctor and Companions set that I purchased to paint for my girlfriend as her birthday present. The Tennant model wasn't as bad as the pics make him look and all of the other models were recognizable as who they were intended to be.
Are they amazing sculpts? Maybe not. There are some not-Doctor Who models out there which are better. That said, there are a whole lot of non-licensed models out there that look a lot worse.
Wasn't sure if this should warrant it's own topic or not but the Doctor Who miniatures game "Exterminate!" is being released next month (limited availability at Salute this weekend).
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Starter if £35 or £37 (I thought was £35 but they charged me £2 more). The game contains cards for all the previously released characters and monsters. Forthcoming boxes will contain the required cards instead.
Then coming next month (not at Salute) there are two more expansion sets -
For me the face doesn't look quite right and the pose is slightly off. I remember a promotional image from when that episode first aired showing her in that pose so I think they directly based the model on that. Some of the previous dodgy looking models have looked significantly better with different paint jobs.
They are working on a Master box set which will contain a model of every version of the Master from the show (excluding the 8th Doctor TV movie which they don't have the rights to), so hopefully that sculpt is better.
I find that they have done a good job on the aliens / monster sculpts, it's just the humans that are not quite right. The studios paint jobs are also not helping as some of the humans actually look pretty good with different paint jobs.
The base game was meant to come with a metal 12th Doctor but they decided not to include him due to Capaldi leaving and to keep the cost down.
11th Doctor is coming. The current plans for Doctor releases seem to be a 9th doctor box with Rose, Mikey, Jack and Rose' Mum. A 11th a doctor set with Amy and Rory from first appearance. A 10th Doctor Christmas special box with 10th Doctor in a tux, Astrid and heavenly host figures. A 8th Doctor box in his 50th mini episode costume and will also come with other models including War Doctor and sister hood of Kharn. A Doctor box set with every Doctor. Think they also mentioned a box set for the 6th Doctor.
Plastic troop box wise they have mentioned Unit and Sontaran boxes planned.
From a scale standpoint I saw a photo of them next to Batman miniature game models and the scale matches exactly. I am not certain why they went for the bigger scale.
Some of the models are exceptional, others are lacking to say the least.
I think the Daleks and Davros look good, and depending upon the game itself £35 seems like a decent entry level price. But will this get dropped like their Terminator game did?
Unlike that Terminator movie, which was supposed to kick off a big arc and more movies or something but didn't, this isn't a gak franchise to work with for Warlord, plus a whole lot safer as this will sell regardless.
Fair point, just a shame that a fair few of the sculpts have not been up to snuff. I also assume that this is a very expensive licence so there is more reason to get behind it and try and make it a continued success.
The art and production design for the non miniature components of this game look awful; very bland and very un-doctor who like - wheres the fun and eccentricity. Was looking forward to this but am disappointed with the shoddiness.
mindrobber wrote: The art and production design for the non miniature components of this game look awful; very bland and very un-doctor who like - wheres the fun and eccentricity. Was looking forward to this but am disappointed with the shoddiness.
To fair we can't tell the quality from that picture. nothing wrong with providing a paper battle mat and a warehouse or quarry floor can look only so interesting. The play area and what looks like a turn track can look only so interesting (and have to be passed my the BBC licencing dept).
ced1106 wrote: 38mm? If anyone gets their hands on this game, please post a photo of the mini's alongside other sf and modern-day miniatures. Thanks!!!
mindrobber wrote: The art and production design for the non miniature components of this game look awful; very bland and very un-doctor who like - wheres the fun and eccentricity. Was looking forward to this but am disappointed with the shoddiness.
To fair we can't tell the quality from that picture. nothing wrong with providing a paper battle mat and a warehouse or quarry floor can look only so interesting. The play area and what looks like a turn track can look only so interesting (and have to be passed my the BBC licencing dept).
I can take some photos of the actual game tomorrow night. Some of the developer comments made it sound like the starter set campaign takes place during the Time War which may explain why they have gone a slightly darker style.
BrookM wrote: It will be sink or swim for Warlord, as the BBC can always look elsewhere if its too gakky. Pity really, as Crooked Dice had some excellent sculpts.
Dear BBC, if you are reading this, please look into them when you're done with Warlord.
Did Crooked Dice have the miniatures licence for Doctor Who? Because if they didn't but were producing and selling a range based on the BBCs IP that might explain why the BBC didn't go to them.
Similarly didn't Harlequins licence expire more than a decade ago?
Warlord aren't the bad guys for not making their miniatures line compatible with competing companies miniatures based on an IP Warlord are paying the fee for and they are not.
Will There be tourneament play? Does the balence scale well? Is it like a skirmish like Batman or small-scale wargame like WM/H? How do the Daleks play like? I'm very much a Dalekmaniac and would love to play at tourneys facing off Judoon and Sontarans with a Dalek army
They were too busy to ask about tournement play earlier but will send them a message to enquire.
The starter box has scenarios with between 3 and 4 troop cards, so with 4 troop cards you would have a maximum of 12 Daleks (the number of Daleks it comes with) but one of the missions does have potential reinforcements arrive each turn. It does say that the number of troop cards can be increased to any number agreed by both players. Having had a quick look at the rules I could see it scaling up to 36 Daleks at least. I expect new mission books will cover much larger forces.
The team also have another game in the works which uses the same models which may be a mass battle game. They are holding off announcing until they have a bigger miniature range.
Not sure how the Daleks play style yet, will update once I have played my first game.
Aeneades wrote: They were too busy to ask about tournement play earlier but will send them a message to enquire.
The starter box has scenarios with between 3 and 4 troop cards, so with 4 troop cards you would have a maximum of 12 Daleks (the number of Daleks it comes with) but one of the missions does have potential reinforcements arrive each turn. It does say that the number of troop cards can be increased to any number agreed by both players. Having had a quick look at the rules I could see it scaling up to 36 Daleks at least. I expect new mission books will cover much larger forces.
The team also have another game in the works which uses the same models which may be a mass battle game. They are holding off announcing until they have a bigger miniature range.
Not sure how the Daleks play style yet, will update once I have played my first game.
Ok thank you very much
I'm Expecting a play style to be slow and lacking in Close Combat but nigh indestructible with a Death Ray to Exterminate all with ease! hehe
The two special traits the standard Daleks have are -
Overide - in the game most characters are unable to shoot if they are under heavy fire but the Daleks desire to exterminate means they still have the ability to shoot when under heavy fire but with a penalty to hit.
Tank - Due to how bulky they are they do not get a defence bonus when behind cover.
I have checked the missions again and one of them actually encourages you to use as many troop cards as possible to represent the final battle between Daleks and Cybermen on the planet.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Weapon wise they have two levels of attack, a regular blast and a full blast. The full blast is much more effective but they can only use it if they have spent the turn powering up by not moving.
The Daleks also seem to have a slightly better accuracy then most other factions.
Daleks earn victory points by holding objectives and also get a victory point for every character they exterminate (2 for special characters). They automatically win the match if they exterminate the doctor.
Had hoped the next game be some sort of "dungeon crawl" with plenty to discover and puzzles to overcome, that seems to fit the licence more then another wargame (mass battle this time).
I am hoping for dungeon crawl as well but wasn't certain if that would clash with the Gale Force 9 Doctor Who licence (they have miniature board game one).
I do kind of wonder how the Doctor himself can work in a game like this. Having a group of humans with him as their ally makes sense, but the Doctor doesn't usually outright attack the menace of the week. Probably would make more sense to have him give some kind of buff to his allies or debuff to his enemies to represent him coming up with some wacky plan to disrupt them.
People think that way about the Doctor and the companions in a RPG but the Doctor Who RPG is rather popular.
I imagine it's more... scenario-ey when you start involving the Doctor and Companions. - A little bit like GW's LOTR game?
So, up until the Cyberman VS Da'leks starter set, has there not actually been any rules for the game? There's been a 10th Doctor and companions box sitting on my local stores shelf for what seems like 6 months now.
Nope. There were not any rules for the game until now.
In the game the doctors attacks are seen are disabling the enemy some how rather than actually killing them.
Some more information about the game, it comes with with three small books.
Rule book (16 pages) - contains all the basic rules of the game
Guide to the Vortex (24 pages) - contains rules for the Daleks and Cybermen, along with a painting guide and 6 scenarios to cover the battles between Daleks and Cybermen on this planet during the time war. The scenarios contain additional rules on how to replace one of the sides with the Doctor and his companions, giving different board layout and victory conditions.
Adventures (12 pages) - contains rules for using the doctor and his companions as there own faction. Also contains rules for using Zygons, The Silence and Judoon both as there own faction and as mercenaries for another faction. The book ends with a solo Doctor vs Daleks or Cybermen scenario and a Doctor vs up to three other factions scenario.
They had some new models on display at Salute including the Skeleton Astronughts and Sea Devils. There also appeared to be some kind of senior Dalek. They do seem to be keeping a nice balance of releases from both new and classic Who.
Aeneades wrote: Nope. There were not any rules for the game until now.
In the game the doctors attacks are seen are disabling the enemy some how rather than actually killing them.
Some more information about the game, it comes with with three small books.
Rule book (16 pages) - contains all the basic rules of the game
Guide to the Vortex (24 pages) - contains rules for the Daleks and Cybermen, along with a painting guide and 6 scenarios to cover the battles between Daleks and Cybermen on this planet during the time war. The scenarios contain additional rules on how to replace one of the sides with the Doctor and his companions, giving different board layout and victory conditions.
Adventures (12 pages) - contains rules for using the doctor and his companions as there own faction. Also contains rules for using Zygons, The Silence and Judoon both as there own faction and as mercenaries for another faction. The book ends with a solo Doctor vs Daleks or Cybermen scenario and a Doctor vs up to three other factions scenario.
They had some new models on display at Salute including the Skeleton Astronughts and Sea Devils. There also appeared to be some kind of senior Dalek. They do seem to be keeping a nice balance of releases from both new and classic Who.
Are there points for choosing forces?
And was the senior Dalek Davros, who has been announced, or another type of Dalek?
This is a different senior Dalek (just a standard model in a black colour scheme).
The army building is card based. A starter set games is between 3 and 5 cards. 1 card can buy you 3 Daleks, 2 Daleks plus an energy resource or the Patrol leader.
For the Doctor each companion had a separate card but weaker characters provide more energy to make up for the lack of combat experptise.
Cybermen get a cyber-leader, Cybermen, Cybermen with individual cybermats and cybermat swarms (big base with three cybermats). The cyber-leader gets to take 2 cybermat swarms with him for free. Again cyber-leader just needs part of his helmet painted black to differentiate him.
I would have preferred point based but they seem to be making an effort to balance the cards.
Daleks don't have bases. The cybermen and cybermat swarms appear to be 25mm. The individual cybermats have there own small bases as part of the model. The small boxed doctors and aliens have intergrated name tag bases but also come with what appears to be 25mm based. I plan to snip off the name tag base so that they match the Cybermen.
They had a lot of people around the demo table and looking at all the product. Not sure how much of that interest turned into sales but there were atleast a couple of copies being sold each time I walked past the Warlords stand. There were also some copies at the Warlords mail order desk that were prepaid and awaiting collection.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One thing to add, all the miniature and game preorders are now avaible worldwide through https://doctorwhotimevortex.com and I believe someone at the show mentioned free worldwide shipping. Previously they were only able to sell the models in the U.K.
Sounds like the licence may mean that they can only sell direct outside of U.K. and not through local retailers.
I'd have bough hundreds of Daleks and Cybermen if they were scaled to use with other miniatures. At 38mm I have zero use for them. Their human sculpts (including the Doctors) are terrible. The rest of their sculpts look fantastic. But I simply don't have any interest in a new scale to work with.
Anyone built the new Daleks? That sprue always worried me that the model would end up with two large join lines straight down the middle of the front where it was most obvious. Obviously Warlord's photos are going to be cleaned up like all companies do so I wouldn't use those to look for join lines.
Didn't they make the Dar'leks bigger and more intimidating in the show anyway?
Primarily because Karen Gillan was taller than them...
The Daleks were sized to look Billie Piper, and then Karen Gillian in the eyes. So yes the later ones were taller due to Karen being taller than Billie. Karen is 5'11". That won't stop the Daleks from being 8' tall compared to everything else in 28mm or even 32mm scale. Even without a base they will be noticeably gigantic. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.
Justyn wrote: I'd have bough hundreds of Daleks and Cybermen if they were scaled to use with other miniatures. At 38mm I have zero use for them. Their human sculpts (including the Doctors) are terrible. The rest of their sculpts look fantastic. But I simply don't have any interest in a new scale to work with.
Aeneades, if you could post the Daleks and Cybermen with some 28mm figures, say, Zombicide survivors, I'd appreciate it. No hurry and thanks for the pics!
Here are some of the models displayed at Salute (taken from Warlords facebook) -
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That's the Sea Devils, Ogron (blurry in distance) and astronauts (Vashta Nerada).
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Different styles of Cybermen from the upcoming collectors box containing different designs. At the front we have the standard Time War Dalek paint scheme, Davros and a Time War Dalek Patrol leader.
Justyn wrote: I'd have bough hundreds of Daleks and Cybermen if they were scaled to use with other miniatures. At 38mm I have zero use for them. Their human sculpts (including the Doctors) are terrible. The rest of their sculpts look fantastic. But I simply don't have any interest in a new scale to work with.
Aeneades, if you could post the Daleks and Cybermen with some 28mm figures, say, Zombicide survivors, I'd appreciate it. No hurry and thanks for the pics!
From left to right we have Zombicide, Cyberman, Dalek, Walking Dead, Batman miniature game, cyberman, 12th Doctor, Imperial Assault.
I'm... rather pleasantly surprised with those. Cybermen look a bit skinny, but the height isn't horrible. Now to wait until someone can post a pic of one of these Daleks compared to one of the scads of DWA freebie Daleks and I might be in real trouble.
Didn't they make the Dar'leks bigger and more intimidating in the show anyway?
Primarily because Karen Gillan was taller than them...
The Daleks were sized to look Billie Piper, and then Karen Gillian in the eyes. So yes the later ones were taller due to Karen being taller than Billie. Karen is 5'11". That won't stop the Daleks from being 8' tall compared to everything else in 28mm or even 32mm scale. Even without a base they will be noticeably gigantic. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.
It was the Tonka toy/iDaleks/"New paradigm" ones that were made to be larger. Can't speak for if they upped the size of the brass Time War ones when they retconned the others out of existence.
Aeneades wrote: Unfortunately I don't have any of the DWA models to compare them against.
On the left the Warlords mini. In the middle a free dalek mini from the Dr Who magazine (about 5 years old). On the right the Harlequins mini from Dr. Who Invasion Earth (about 25 years ago?).
Those DWM Daleks actually fit in pretty well, just paint them up in bright colours and they would fit as a slightly older design.
The Davros and Missy packs contain additional Recruitment cards and specific Adventure cards for the Daleks / Cybermen. Over in one of the Facebook groups when discussing painting one of the Daleks black to represent the Patrol Leader one of the developers had this to say -
Models are the same but the cards offer some upgrades and the chance to field more 'individual' Daleks.
So sounds like there will be reasons to paint up more Daleks in alternate colour schemes soon. Hopefully reasons to paint up small groups in alternate schemes rather then just single models.
The game along with the Davros Dalek and Missy Cybermen expansions are released next week. The two expansions contain troop cards for Cult of Skaro Daleks, Imperial Guard Daleks and upgraded Cybermen to give extra options for army building.
The 10 figure "Nightmares in Silver" collectors pack is also up for pre-order. £30 for 10 different Cybermen designs.
This pack does not contain rules at the moment, they are more of a collectors set but they intend to release free cards for them at some point in the future.
Warlods seem very keen on the line as other models that have already been sculpted / final design stages include -
Tomb of the Cybermen design Cybermen
Autons
Mire with Hybrid / Me
9th Doctor with Rose, Mickey, Roses' mum and Jack.
1st Doctor
5th Doctor
11th Doctor
Heavenly Host, Astrid and 10th Doctor in a tux.
Ogrons
Sea Devils (coming in June)
Vashta Nerada
More of a general question, but has anyone in North America ordered from warlord in £££ and gotten it cheaper due to exchange rate? Or do they not allow that? I got a discount code from them for joining the newsletter and creating an account and I'm trying to find the best deal/ least expensive route to start building my gates of antares army.
You should absolutely get whatever you order at the current exchange rate if you order directly from Warlord. Unless the web site has an actual US price, they bill you in their native money. Your bank (or Paypal whatever) pays them at the current exchange rate. Only certain companies (ahem... GW) force their own exchange rates on their customers.
Never mind that. Warlord have USD as an option on their site. So you probably have to pay their USD prices that are not just the current exchange rate. Try Wayland games, they sell Warlord products to the US and just use the exchange rate. Problem is they are out of stock quite often.
Just saw on their forums someone posted that they order in the US and pay in £££ all the time. Might be hitting them soon with the preorder for the new Antares book coming out in July.
I just don't like their sculpts. I see detail, but they seem crude at the same time. The posing doesn't help, it's not dynamic and they seem flat. The plastic Daleks look great, most of the rest not so. I don't get why it all looks so odd.
Howard A Treesong wrote: I just don't like their sculpts. I see detail, but they seem crude at the same time. The posing doesn't help, it's not dynamic and they seem flat. The plastic Daleks look great, most of the rest not so. I don't get why it all looks so odd.
I think the sculpts are okay, but agree with you otherwise. The static poses look bad and suck all the energy out of the game.
I do like the Cybermen and Daleks. Most of the non-human figures are pretty good. A shame about the Doctors and companions.
I apologise for my ignorance, but is that correct about the Terminator game being dropped? Is that why the Warlord online store has items that are 'sold out', they are not making any more?
As for Dredd, Mongoose has not renewed the rights and thus no longer does anything Dredd related (which will be exciting for the KS backers still out of product). Instead, Warlord has picked up the rights itself and will be doing their own games, starting with Strontium Dog IIRC.
Were't they selling the Terminator stuff off for pennies a month ago? Its not that bad, you could get away with using that stuff for things like Shadowrun, or in the case of the humans they're generic enough to work as just sci-fi soldier types (or give them contemporary weapons from the Wargames Factory/ Warlord Games stuff).
More Bolt Action Sea Lion stuff tomorrow I suspect. Either one Blackshirt box with the whole line, or a regulars blister, plus special weapons ones (though I don't see those selling well. They'd do as atypical thug models though). Eugh, it'll be months before the plastic Tiger II shows up unfortunately, I'd buy four of those (...no, no I honestly will).
The game might be good, but when the movie it belongs to crashes and burns, it's not something you'd want to hold on to for long.
And Judge Dredd, while functional, I can't help but feel that the rulebook is a bloody mess that really needs a good editor to comb through it and sort things out. If scenarios refer to special rules without telling you where to look.. Drokk off. There's also the feeling that they want a fresh start to distance their selves from anything related to Mongoose, who has a less than stellar reputation sometimes. Good thing is though, IIRC Gav Thorpe and Andy Chambers are going to work on the new 2000AD games.
Only good partnership thus far really does seem to be between Warlord and Italeri, as they've been pumping out 1:56 plastic vehicle kits at a steady pace. Mind, most of these kits appear to be simplified or scaled down 1:35 kits Italeri already has on sale, but they're doing it at a good rate unlike other companies, though what with Italeri being a dedicated gaming company, no biggy for them.
BrookM wrote: Terminator flopped hard, so is on its way out.
As for Dredd, Mongoose has not renewed the rights and thus no longer does anything Dredd related (which will be exciting for the KS backers still out of product). Instead, Warlord has picked up the rights itself and will be doing their own games, starting with Strontium Dog IIRC.
Thank you for the reply.
I really wanted to like the terminator game but I wanted a T2 future war, not this current version so I thought better to not get involved, still I am sad to see it going out.
And Dredd! Damn, both universes I like and they get shafted. lol
Well BrookM in regards to the 1/56th scale vehicle kits the big takeaway from what you said is the rate Warlord are coming out with there's. If Rubicon kept a similar pace then Warlord's plastic vehicle range would crash and burn. They're like night and day. In a shop the only reason I would pick up a Warlord kit is if the Rubicon one is out of stock, or more commonly, Rubicon haven't released their own yet. ...Meanwhile people somehow think Warlord's are better, but I think they may have smeared their eyes with peanut butter (this is coming from a guy painting a Warlord Sd.Kfz 251 at the moment after just coming off of the Rubicon version of the same kit. Bleh).
But... ah, at the moment I CBA waiting on DieWaffenkammer's stuff taking 3 months to show up (ahem I mean 7 days guaranteed service. Canada Post is godawful), so I'll turn to Warlord's resin. I like Jeff at Die Waffenkammer though, so he's getting my money regardless.
*I think this post was contextual to this thread other than being just bitching, but well...
Having seen Warlord/Italeri to Rubicon direct model comparisons of plastic models, I also much prefer Rubicon. Often the Warlord models have a bit more superficial detail to them. But the Rubicon models are so much easier to build and make look good (read: hide joints, sprue connection points, etc.). Although, I don't really have any complaints with Warlord models.
I always go for the Rubicon option when given a choice. It is just a matter them being a smaller, more focused company with a much smaller model range that has me picking up Warlord models. Heck, most of the time when I bought Warlord vehicle models it was the resin ones as there weren't plastic kits from either company. Much of the time, I didn't think there would be or not for a long while.
I was a little surprised to see a plastic KV-1/KV-2 from Warlord, and I think they are actually releasing some Japanese tanks in plastic. Which I never really thought would happen.
On topic, I sorta want to get the Dr. Who game. Not because I am a fan of Dr. Who (outside of Tom Baker, I'm not), but because my friend who plays miniatures games is a big fan. I would like have a game where he really enjoys the IP while I enjoy the miniatures game. However, between the lack of game time we already get, my funds, the uninspiring model sculpts and being a little bit big scale I can't see me doing so. I think I would be much better off getting the board game Time of the Deleks instead.
Ginsu33 wrote: I apologise for my ignorance, but is that correct about the Terminator game being dropped? Is that why the Warlord online store has items that are 'sold out', they are not making any more?
Same deal with Judge Dredd line?
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Terminator Genisys: River Horse is the company that makes it, Warlord is just the distributor. I'm guessing River Horse has stopped production, so Warlord is selling off remaining stock. You can still buy the boutique models from River Horse. I have most of what was released, in resin, and some in metal, and the infantry are fantastic. The resin and metal endoskeletons are some of the finest miniatures I've ever owned.
Judge Dredd: Warlord made the metals for Mongoose. Mongoose did not renew the license. Warlord has returned the molds, etc, to Mongoose.
Terminator is a great game, but the movie died on it's ass and that killed it. The mechanics are solid, but River Horse aren't going to plough more resources into it instead of their other licenced products.
Warlord were just a distributor.
Judge Dredd was a Mongoose product, Mongoose got out of producing physical miniatures after a series of games dying and licences not being renewed, and Warlord ended up being the distributor and manufacturer of the range when they hadn't been the ones developing and steering it. Then Mongoose lost/didn't renew the licence.
Now Warlord have the licence they're doing a Strontium Dogs game. I don't know if any Mongoose minis will make the transition, but some of the SST moulds ended up with Rebel Miniatures, so who knows what will happen with the range.
If Warlord do a range from scratch it'll end up being based around the range they want for the games they want to produce, rather than creating something to support a range they inherited.
Ben2 wrote: Terminator is a great game, but the movie died on it's ass and that killed it. The mechanics are solid, but River Horse aren't going to plough more resources into it instead of their other licenced products.
Warlord were just a distributor.
Judge Dredd was a Mongoose product, Mongoose got out of producing physical miniatures after a series of games dying and licences not being renewed, and Warlord ended up being the distributor and manufacturer of the range when they hadn't been the ones developing and steering it. Then Mongoose lost/didn't renew the licence.
Now Warlord have the licence they're doing a Strontium Dogs game. I don't know if any Mongoose minis will make the transition, but some of the SST moulds ended up with Rebel Miniatures, so who knows what will happen with the range.
If Warlord do a range from scratch it'll end up being based around the range they want for the games they want to produce, rather than creating something to support a range they inherited.
They will probably announce something when the Mega City One Show pops up. I'm sure it will generate hype so its just way too much chance not to capitalize on that hype.
This Doctor Who specific store offers free international postage on almost every order (doesn't say what the cut off point is but believe around £10) and orders seem to qualify for any promotional miniatures that the Warlord store are offering (I received a free Lt Spiers model even though I was a couple of pounds under the threshold).
Warlord games has their summer sprue sale going on now. Sprue a up to 1/2 off.
For gates of antares they have the Ghar battle and assault suits at $6.40 each and the bombard suit at $8. So I think I might try and grab a few of each.
They also have the C3 concord squad at $10(rounded there as it was $9.xx I forget), by the bases are on a seperate sprue so you need to figure those in.
Warlord is running a sprue sale, 50% off this weekend on a number of plastic sprues. Sadly it does NOT include the new British Paras, or I would grab a few.
All rules for the models have to be approved by the BBC which is why so few of the models currently have rules (hopefully that gets rectified soon as the rules seem to be written). They should really have had the rules approved before releasing the models as you cannot currently use any new releases (or half the old ones) in the game at present.
On the plus side there are some nice new variant Dalek models coming very soon.
Anyone in the states here order direct from warlord? I was wondering what their actual shipping time is as I got a dispatch notice for my sprue purchase first thing Monday morning. I hope it's fast as I'm on vacation next week and they should be shipping the new campaign book tomorrow(they said the ship it early to the states because of transit times).
Theophony wrote: Anyone in the states here order direct from warlord? I was wondering what their actual shipping time is as I got a dispatch notice for my sprue purchase first thing Monday morning. I hope it's fast as I'm on vacation next week and they should be shipping the new campaign book tomorrow(they said the ship it early to the states because of transit times).
1 to 4 days after they fulfilled the order which can be as much as 10 days.
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lasgunpacker wrote: Theophony, it took a bit over a week for my sprue order to get to me, but I did have metal in it, so that may have slowed things down.
Generally with shipping from the UK, expect two weeks, and be pleased if it comes earlier.
That's what I was wondering, thanks. I placed my order two weeks ago, but it didn't ship until this Monday at 4:30am CST, so I don't know if it actually left earlier and they were just updating everything or not.
@krazynadechukr, thanks, I read all of that, but I know sometimes people have different/better results than what's listed.
Coming (eventually) from Clockwork Goblin as part of the Konflikt 47 range.
A German Heavy Walker. Presumably it'll cost about £30 like the Allied ones. I've not been a fan of the Konflikt '47 designs, but this one has a kind of Wolfenstein/ dieselpunk vibe. I'd still swap out some details, but I'll definitely be picking up at least one to go along with my alt-history Germans (heh, even if they're a more down to earth take on the setting. I've already snuck in some weirder stuff).
No, there's no way to reload that nebelwerfer without using a step ladder.
You'd need a fairly large one to fit one of the mechs (like a size up from a GW Dreagnought base). I made a base from scratch to fit the Spinne Walker, though the DUST walker bases would work.
So the complete bundle is GBP225.
Which contains the following;
The Blood Red Skies complete bundle contains:
•Blood Red Skies Set
•12 plastic fighter coloured aircraft
•12 clear plastic advantage flying bases
•10 combat dice
•12 Pilot Skill level discs
•3 Gaming booklets: Rules, Expanded rules, Scenarios
•45 cards to use in game
•38 markers to use in game
•A set of tools: a movement template, range finder and navigation caliper
•6 Clouds / Air defence balloons clusters
•3 Blenheim IV / Dornier Do17 Z2 bombers
•2 Quick Reference sheets.
•5 Ace Character Models
•British Spitfire Squadron
•British Spitfire Ace
•German BF ME-109 Squadron
•German BF ME-109 Ace
•US P-51 Mustang Squadron
•US P-51 Mustang Ace
•Japanese A6MX 'Zero-sen' Squadron
•Japanese A6MX 'Zero-sen' Ace
•Soviet Yak1 Squadron
•Soviet Yak1 Ace
•British Blood Red Skies Dice
•German Blood Red Skies Dice
•US Blood Red Skies Dice
•Japanese Blood Red Skies Dice
•Soviet Blood Red Skies Dice
NB. Special Edition Bolt Action Aces are limited to Advanced pre-orders only!
Squadron boxes contain: 6 plastic fighter coloured aircraft, 6 clear plastic advantage flying bases, 17 cards to use in game and 1 sticker sheet.
Also worth noting that the planes are unassembled and unpainted.
Just got their email. Until August 6th get 15% off from their website using code invasionofbritain.
Only on warlord games stuff (no army painter or scenery company which I cannot spell off the top of my head). Also won't stack with other discounts and not good on "Deals". But with the $/£ conversion it's a great time to buy.
