Well I'm in love. $50 each plus shipping but hey... these are pretty much exactly what I think an Inquisitor mobile should look like. They even have six wheels!
Is it wrong that I actually like his cheesecake female figures? If it weren't for the fact that I've been moving away from 40k of late and the rather long shipping times, I'd be all over some of these.
Barzam wrote: Is it wrong that I actually like his cheesecake female figures? If it weren't for the fact that I've been moving away from 40k of late and the rather long shipping times, I'd be all over some of these.
Not at all; I'm the same. If I was still playing 40K I'd have bought more or less one of every Imperial item on the website. I might still do.
Barzam wrote: Is it wrong that I actually like his cheesecake female figures? If it weren't for the fact that I've been moving away from 40k of late and the rather long shipping times, I'd be all over some of these.
A bit wrong I'm afraid. While a good cheescake sculpt can have it's place, the ones on that page/store are at best ridiculous and don't fit the 40k aestetic.
And it's a shame, since where there is cheescake version and a 'normal' one, the latter is usually pretty cool.
Only cool feelings towards that batman-esque car though. It would fit well for a genestealer patriarch as well i he want some more speed than the classic limousine can provide.
I was just gonna call em Batmobiles too. But they look cool, they would make good scenery or an objective.. kill the inquisitor before he can get in his car and drive off into the sunset?
Man, those cars are awesome! Just how I pictured they would look with the batmobile/temple vibe.
In case anyone was wondering, I can vouch for the quality of the casts. I ordered the TSons upgrade packs a few months ago and there was hardly a bubble to be seen and minimum cleanup.
Not the best picture but the torsos and heads were from them and I would definitely buy stuff from them again!
Agreed on the overall quality of the products, I ordered a twin power fist commissar myself and it is a most excellent cast with no imperfections or the like whatsoever.
Commander Cain wrote: Man, those cars are awesome! Just how I pictured they would look with the batmobile/temple vibe.
In case anyone was wondering, I can vouch for the quality of the casts. I ordered the TSons upgrade packs a few months ago and there was hardly a bubble to be seen and minimum cleanup.
Not the best picture but the torsos and heads were from them and I would definitely buy stuff from them again!
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Kindly stop showing such awesome models. I don't want to have to start Thousand Sons.
From what I've heard, it has been permitted by the original owner(s). I was suspicious at first myself when I saw the commissar with the ugly pistol on that site.
Ketara wrote: I swear several of the models in that store belong to other individuals/companies. I suppose it's possible they have a license, but I'm suspicious.
I've noticed similar with some of the various European companies.. I think a lot of the smaller guys have some serious networking going on as companies like MAS, Zealot, Bitspudlo and others seem to offer legit distribution. I have seen a lot of this before and I have similar reservations though, as some of it was very IP-infringey in the first place, I would think it would be a huge target for recasters thinking there would be no recourse. That's conjecture though, and again these might be totally legit as BrookM says.
Wow. Looking at this guy's amazing models makes you realize just how little hold Games Workshop has on its aesthetic IP. Good luck, Age of Sigmar. You're going to need it. Especially if the reason for your creation really was IP related.
Seriously. Those Inquisitors and Sisters are incredible. A shame there isn't an updated, plastic army out there to use them with.
Ohoh...car #1...there goes my hard earned money...
Have ordered with them twice and the quality I got was great so I have no doubts about hopping to their site and get me one....Batmobile?
But I think I might have to use it for a Chaplain - as bike standin - ...maybe converting the chappie with one of those flamin' heads from Puppets War?...
License plate: left side: Care right side: taker
Yeah, just insert tactical crate and she's good to go.
Or since she's an inquisitor, find a hunchback to shove under her boot and say it's an acolyte or somesuch.
BrookM wrote: From what I've heard, it has been permitted by the original owner(s). I was suspicious at first myself when I saw the commissar with the ugly pistol on that site.
I was thinking more of Irina's Thousand Sons pieces, she vanished a while back. Or the Russian Sororitas, which have been doing the rounds on Ebay for a while. Both of those have popped up on recasters sites before.
Like I said, it is possible the stock is all licensed. I would just be surprised if that was the case, purely on the basis that they would seem to have tracked down some extremely obscure third party producers. If they managed to do all that, they have some serious networking skills.
BrookM wrote: From what I've heard, it has been permitted by the original owner(s). I was suspicious at first myself when I saw the commissar with the ugly pistol on that site.
I was thinking more of Irina's Thousand Sons pieces, she vanished a while back. Or the Russian Sororitas, which have been doing the rounds on Ebay for a while. Both of those have popped up on recasters sites before.
Like I said, it is possible the stock is all licensed. I would just be surprised if that was the case, purely on the basis that they would seem to have tracked down some extremely obscure third party producers. If they managed to do all that, they have some serious networking skills.
On their website linked earlier, there is a spot where they say the sculpts are all licensed/approved.
BrookM wrote: From what I've heard, it has been permitted by the original owner(s). I was suspicious at first myself when I saw the commissar with the ugly pistol on that site.
I was thinking more of Irina's Thousand Sons pieces, she vanished a while back. Or the Russian Sororitas, which have been doing the rounds on Ebay for a while. Both of those have popped up on recasters sites before.
Like I said, it is possible the stock is all licensed. I would just be surprised if that was the case, purely on the basis that they would seem to have tracked down some extremely obscure third party producers. If they managed to do all that, they have some serious networking skills.
Not really.. I mean.. all it takes is for them to have a forum and then whenever someone meets a new sculptor at a show or whatever, get them in. Some of them are also sculptors that work for a company like Raging Heroes or Maxmini or Puppetswar and then branch off. Titan-Forge mentioned that they were friends with Puppetswar and the guys that were showing off those awesome Dwarves are sculptors from Ragingheroes. That's not really any weirder than Mark Moondragon being friends with Paulsongames or John Bear Ross or Harold Crossley from Clear Horizon.. which, as far as I know they all at least somewhat know each other.
I've been meaning to order from these guys for a while. sure they may be a little IP-infringey but the sculpts are unique and the cast quality is fantastic from what I've heard.
Still, even if they have licensed the sculpts, that doesn't mean the sculpts themselves are free of issues - recognise the front of this guy's gun from anywhere?
Regardless, I'm going to have to order some of their products soon, there are almost no manufacturers for Gothic-future vehicles out there, most companies even doing sci-fi 28mm vehicles are going for the very clean Fifth Element/Infinity style.
Hmmm, I look at those cars, and I see a Necromunda narrative campaign....
Looks like they updated their site since I visited it one or two weeks ago.
The 28mm version of the 48mm Tech-priest is new - I guess I'll order one (the pin-up alternative may be funny but it's not something I'd actually put on the table).
Still, even if they have licensed the sculpts, that doesn't mean the sculpts themselves are free of issues - recognise the front of this guy's gun from anywhere?
Well, the DKoK zombies are converted original models too. There are... MANY issues.
On their website linked earlier, there is a spot where they say the sculpts are all licensed/approved.
See, I'm just not sure I buy it. Anyone can write anything on a website. And given the IP issues stated above, the authenticity of the IP of some of the models isn't exactly without question.
More specifically, I've recently seen most of this particular range pop up for sale recently twice before (on ebay and on a separate webstore), before being shut down (I assume due to being recasters). So when that particularly unique assembly of third party pieces pops up yet again under a new webstore name, well, you can understand my skepticism.
Having said that, I'm not saying I have a massive problem with it, so long as it stays as being hard to find pieces, like Irina's. If the original sculptor hasn't sold them in years, nobody is being hurt. And they seem to be commissioning their own stuff as well, so it adds to the market. I just don't necessarily believe it's all been licensed appropriately.
Mymearan wrote: If he removed the balloon boobs I would probably buy some of his figures, it's a shame because he's obviously a good sculptor.
Love tons of the stuff, but yeah -- cheesecake as alt versions? Good on you, everyone to their own, etc. Only option? Doesn't do me any good.
Absolutely. I like powerful ladies, but unless their power is stored in their gravity defying cleavage, I'm happy with realism.
Just as some of the most characterful male figures out there are not Herculean perfection, I'm happy with female figures that could be actual people I know.
Having spent enough time in the goth festivals.. Pretty sure that's the corset effect, but anyway. It's still not on my list of things to get my hands on. So to speak.
Well I ordered from Canada and my shipping was about $5 for a $60 order so totally reasonable. I forget how long it took to arrive but I think it was around 2 weeks. Very good casts as well!
Flat shipping until it's free. Something like five euro, free over a 200 euro order. Most of the models are a little cheaper on ebay but not once you scope shipping.
deadairis wrote: Flat shipping until it's free. Something like five euro, free over a 200 euro order. Most of the models are a little cheaper on ebay but not once you scope shipping.
Ebay doesn't have the necron but there's a new tau gunslinger there
vitki wrote: Has anyone in the US ordered from them before? How is the shipping ($ and time)?
Shipping isn't bad, I can't remember how much but it's pretty insignificant. Time is a couple weeks, I was actually surprised at how fast it got here, so surprised in fact that I was worried that I had a small package with ukrainian on it. Normally this wouldn't be a problem for me since I'm ordering Russian and Soviet military surplus gear all the time for airsoft and collecting purposes, but when I saw the package and had no idea it was my models I was a tad suspicious haha. "Hmmm I don't remember ordering any more surplus recently... what the hell is this?" *gently shakes box*
I picked up the 48mm Techpriestess Enginseer (the one standing on the all the cords and cables) and the alternate Kastelan heads. Such excellent stuff from them, I really hope to see more from this company especially from their admech line.
OK, just got my order delivered to me. I bought this car:
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Casting quality is excellent. However, three of the small spikes along the top of the back half of the car did not survive the shipping process. Slightly annoying, but it''s no real loss to remove the remaining spikes to make it symmetrical.
Picture here for you, sorry I'm not the best photographer around. Unfinished Palatine Blade for scale. The car came in three parts: the front was one piece, starting just behind the side doors. The back was two pieces, basically the bottom and side eagles were one piece, and the gothic cathedral engine is inserted into it.
Tannhauser42 wrote: OK, just got my order delivered to me. I bought this car:
Spoiler:
Casting quality is excellent. However, three of the small spikes along the top of the back half of the car did not survive the shipping process. Slightly annoying, but it''s no real loss to remove the remaining spikes to make it symmetrical.
I got the same car. Had the same problem. I didn't like the spikes anyway!
I ordered their Belial-ish Dark Angel as an Xmas pressie for a friend and it arrived in pretty good time. The casting's excellent and the detail's really sharp.
Some of the gates are a bit chunky and fiddly to get off from where they attach to the pieces but that's a minor problem.
I'll definitely be ordering again ... maybe get that Chaos rifle chick and turn her into a Vindicare.
Do you know why GW or FW or someone never did a line of RPG figures?
Is because they hate their fans or because they hate money?
Probably for the same reason that Warhammer was invented in the first place; why sell one miniature to an RPG gamer when you can sell a hundred to a wargamer? There were occasionally suitable models in the web-only section, but those were basically test sculpts from new sculptors, I think (the Warhammer Empire civilians, for example).
Dark Heresy doesn't really bother with miniatures-centric play anyway. Certainly not to the extent of recent D&D or Iron Kingdoms.
Do you know why GW or FW or someone never did a line of RPG figures?
Is because they hate their fans or because they hate money?
Probably for the same reason that Warhammer was invented in the first place; why sell one miniature to an RPG gamer when you can sell a hundred to a wargamer? There were occasionally suitable models in the web-only section, but those were basically test sculpts from new sculptors, I think (the Warhammer Empire civilians, for example).
Dark Heresy doesn't really bother with miniatures-centric play anyway. Certainly not to the extent of recent D&D or Iron Kingdoms.
GW's business model is to take advantage of plastic moulding technology and economy of scale to mass produce super cheap figures and sell them for higher prices than boutique resin models
The female Inquisitors are available on their own without their sweet, sweet rides.
Lady Phantom Stepper
Dame Direction Asker
The vehicle we saw previewed is out
Not an armored limo per se, more of an SUV or station wagon. Not sure if I like the plain looking chasis with the over the top roof eagle. But at $30/euros it's not a bad buy for terrain or other uses.
Even better a 3 car deal for $100/euros! So tempted, so, so tempted.
Some new pin up Tau models
I don't understand who wants them, but they keep making them so I assume someone is buying.
New female commissar
Still a bit cleavagy but not a full on pr0n/fetish model at least.
And a guardswoman
There may be other cool stuff buried in the site too so take a look.
So damn tempted by those cars and Inqusisitors. So damn tempted...
The female Inquisitors are available on their own without their sweet, sweet rides.
Lady Phantom Stepper
Dame Direction Asker
The vehicle we saw previewed is out
Not an armored limo per se, more of an SUV or station wagon. Not sure if I like the plain looking chasis with the over the top roof eagle. But at $30/euros it's not a bad buy for terrain or other uses.
Even better a 3 car deal for $100/euros!
So tempted, so, so tempted.
Some new pin up Tau models
I don't understand who wants them, but they keep making them so I assume someone is buying.
New female commissar
Still a bit cleavagy but not a full on pr0n/fetish model at least.
And a guardswoman
There may be other cool stuff buried in the site too so take a look.
So damn tempted by those cars and Inqusisitors. So damn tempted...
I bought my Egyptian terminators from costa rica. But they were posted in Ukraine. So it's the same guy.
The new commissar isn't half bad, just need to replace the grenade launcher with a bolter or the like to make it more acceptable within certain circles.
They also released a crapton of other minis, but those fall within the lines of poorly done pin-ups IMHO.
Mr Morden wrote: Am I adding it up wrong or is it cheaper to buy the Inquisitors and Cars plus limo than all cars and then the Inquisitors - likely what I will do.
It is cheaper by €2, if you purchase the new car by itself and the inquisitors with the cars together for €127.97. If you buy the bundle of 3 cars, then purchase the inquisitors separately then you are looking at €129.97. The bundle of 3 cars is really meant for those who want the cars without the miniatures.
I like those models in general, but I can't help wondering if the ladies wouldn't be more comfortable if they didn't have grapefruits shoved into their shirts...
I really like the female mechanics eradicator squad and the necrocyborg ladies except for the exposed breasts. I still might end up getting them because I really like everything else about the sculpts. Unfortunately I'm not too keen on my own modding skills to redo the chests to something less flashy but still good looking. I could sand the nipples off, make it skin tight outfit ghost in the shell style, but not sure that fits either.
They are meant to be pin-ups and I honestly think it is done as one of the main reasons to protect them. They are *cough* art and modified such there really isn't anything in that particular market that matches them... so it makes the gray area less murky. Or that is the hopes. At least that is the impression I get.
The Raging Heroes tech priest I got also has exposed flesh, I decided to take the lazy way out and just paint those parts in the same gold as the rest of her mechanical body, perhaps as a homage to her origins or the like.
BrookM wrote: The Raging Heroes tech priest I got also has exposed flesh, I decided to take the lazy way out and just paint those parts in the same gold as the rest of her mechanical body, perhaps as a homage to her origins or the like.
I just recently started reading mechanicum, and the description of Adept Zeth when you first see her is something like this.
I got the 48mm tech priest they made previously with the exposed breasts, I did the same as above and cut them off, sanded down the nipples and painted the "skin" areas black to give the appearance of a body glove. I just don't think I would personally be comfortable with putting a model on the table where it is obviously bearing nipples full on. I might pick one up for an arch magos character... that inquisitor with the hat is badass though.
I really wish the techpriestess eradicators had more... I don't know... armor? Or something? Something that makes them look more badass and less... "I have a gun and I'm naked look at me". At least their techpriestess adept 48mm model had a lot more going on with it than tits.
Malika2 wrote: Yeah, the big hooters thing makes the models feel really like some horny teenager's fantasy. But I guess that's our target audience?
Well y'know when you shrink something to 28mm certain details have to be exaggerated in order to be visible on the table top, hence the lasguns that are as tall as guardsmen, or the Eldar with hats as big as their torsos.
BrookM wrote: The Raging Heroes tech priest I got also has exposed flesh, I decided to take the lazy way out and just paint those parts in the same gold as the rest of her mechanical body, perhaps as a homage to her origins or the like.
I mean. If your rebuilding your body anyway. Who wouldn't want a pair of gold plated D-Cups? ;P
I wish they werea little less boobtastic, but the second Inquisitor with the Witch Hunter vibe is really calling to me, all aspects other than the chest are great.
I wouldn't just make them gold-plated though, maybe put in some flamethrowers or the like.
Captain Murphy had the right idea.
But seriously, Mechanicum is mostly function over form, but there are always elements out there who prefer it the other way around: form over function, especially those who are in a phase where they perhaps regret the transformation of flesh to metal, or feel they need to remind their selves and others of what they were before the changes.
Cothonian wrote: I've been looking at the commissar models for a while now, it is good to hear that they are actually good quality sculpts.
Perhaps I'll finally order one...
If you do (and there's no reason you shouldn't, the quality's great), make sure you don't skimp on the prep. It's super hard to get paint to stick unless you really take the time to soak and scrub them beforehand.
Agreed. A good and thorough cleaning is required, but other than that, flawless casts of outstanding quality with little to no flash, moldlines or annoying gates.
Interestingly enough, she's armed with a Volkite serpenta, so she's excellent for Horus Heresy games and if your opponent isn't a massive jerk, you can always have it count as a Volkite Blaster for games of 40k.
My good lady will be interested in that - she is slowly building toward a car heavy Post-Apocalyptic game.... (We were both amazed and shocked when we found out that she really liked Fury Road... so the future is shiny, and chrome....)
The Auld Grump - her bad guys are called the Fellowhood - a bunch of religious loonies trying to finish the end of the world, in the literal assumption that they will be raptured when the task is done.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Wow. I have no great use for these but I NEED all three of them RIGHT NOW.
Of course you have for the re-release of Necromunda and 28mm Inquisitor from Specialist games!
No car rules in Necromunda Have to wait for the rerelease of Gorkka Morkka.
Ash Wastes if the revamp is sufficiently compatible rules-wise with the older versions I can't see any reason the vehicle rules couldn't be ported over
If it wasn't for the fact that work is a bit iffy at the moment I would be on the bike like a shot. It would be interesting to see if the rider is a seperate piece as it would make a nice bike for the Death Watch.
edited: because I am an idiot and missed the mechanicum car on the previous page.
I picked up the two Commissars from them a while back, was planning to do an Escher gang off all female Commissar minis, may still do as I grabbed the three Kurganova sisters from Raging Heroes and one of the Commissar minis from Statuesque.
Anyway I digress, they were top notch - not got round to assembling and painting yet but very pleased with them:
I do hope that the boots and heels of the one girl perched on the ammo crate are in one piece. I got mine from the original source and it was a gak cast.
Yeah, or well, at least I got mine from there. The metal variant is serviceable, but their resin casts are rather atrocious to say the least, if not the quality, then the placement of the gates and vents at some really annoying places. I also got one of their Alicia von Gaut minis for Christmas, it was supposed to be a resin one first, but according to the sender it was a horrible P.O.S. cast, so she got me a metal one instead.
I have one of the inquisitor cars. Great cast, comes in 3 parts. The casting seems a bit odd to me though. The front half of the car is one part, then the rear is split into 2 parts. The part with the eagle head and wings forms a U and the main body of the rear sits inside of that. Consequently the two sections of wings are very slightly splayed. Nothing a dunk in hot water or a hairdryer shouldn't fix.
Other than that there are no bubbles where it counts and there are a damn site less mold lines than on my Leviathan Dreadnought from FW.
I might even get it assembled and painted in February.
yeah,
I ordered the big pack.
The price is is in Euros but i have no idea if the company is based in Europe?
Their shipping speed estimates seem to be fastest to the US.
Panic wrote: yeah,
I ordered the big pack.
The price is is in Euros but i have no idea if the company is based in Europe?
Their shipping speed estimates seem to be fastest to the US.
Worried now about getting hit by import tax :(
Panic...
Got their last big pack plus varied single figures and came through to me without import tax but I guess you never know.
Panic wrote: yeah,
I ordered the big pack.
The price is is in Euros but i have no idea if the company is based in Europe?
Their shipping speed estimates seem to be fastest to the US.
Worried now about getting hit by import tax :(
Panic...
when i ordered from them it came from the Ukraine. I wouldnt worry about the shipping speeds though. the product is worth the wait!
Panic wrote: yeah,
I ordered the big pack.
The price is is in Euros but i have no idea if the company is based in Europe?
Their shipping speed estimates seem to be fastest to the US.
Worried now about getting hit by import tax :(
Panic...
Will it help that I am jealous and bow to your insanity of getting a bunch of stuff that is really, really, awesome?
To get those cars with figures or a Warhound Titan... I think the cars win.
I have just bought the necron overlady... excellent model. The detail is better than GW's in my opinion, the resin is far higher quality than GW/FW resin models are. Excellent.
What I would say however is that they are extremely delicate models...
If they make a jet bike version.. I might break down and make another order again. Right now I'm resisting really hard to not purchase yet. Not because I don't want them. I want to paint them all.. but more so I have 2 bookshelves of backlogs to work on. LOL!
Simply from an aesthetic point of view, these would be much more palatable if they would just cut the cup size down to a B or C. The double-D, gravity-defying, pornstar orbs really detract from an otherwise cool sculpt.
BrookM wrote: Removal of some of the icons may be a bit problematic, as they're quite chunky.
You could leave them on for that imperium feel. After all some of the heads of the cults were Imperial citizens right? They would have had high class cars like this before joining the cult right?
yeah, The Limo van everyone thinks would be great for a cult is smaller than expected. it's the shortest/thinest but tallest of the 5 cars. It's actually more of a 4x4 in size. Will post more photos when I get time.
Cast quality is simply amazing. Oh and the shipment came from the Ukraine. I avoided paying any taxes... if any were due
Panic wrote: yeah,
The Limo van everyone thinks would be great for a cult is smaller than expected.
it's the shortest/thinest but tallest of the 5 cars.
It's actually more of a 4x4 in size.
Will post more photos when I get time.
Cast quality is simply amazing.
Oh and the shipment came from the Ukraine. I avoided paying any taxes... if any were due
Panic...
I am fine with that. I wasn't thinking of using it as a troop transport. More or less it would be a HQ transport.
Its for the Patriarch - tinted windows, thug like guards, flash some cash, pass for just another of the wealthy. Much easier to get around when you're half genestealer than using the bus.
Here's the new #wip hottie from our female 3D designer.
Yes, girls know how to make those right! wink emoticon
I have to admit is really amazing to see how the sculpt looks as a 3d render but the actual print/cast is so much better. It is hard to gauge that we have to exaggerated features to get them to show up properly when they shrink down. So things like the breasts look like watermelons. It is also a matter of point of view, the forward view makes them look unnatural... however I can appreciate the side view where it has a proper slope and undercurve that gives it a real shape.
Well at least if I end up playing Space Crusade I will definitely be getting some of these to swap in so I can have much better sculpts. ^_^
Aw, I wish that station wagon was a bit more bulky. The length is okay, but 3 1/2 inches of height is such a low profile for a "heroic scale" transport. It's probably perfectly in scale, but I just wish it was a bit bigger
"The Adeptus Mechanicus also regard organic flesh as weak and view the removal and replacement of biological tissue with mechanical, bionic parts as sacred. Most elder Tech-priests have few organic parts left and eventually become more machine than man."
Ketara wrote: I want to like this company, but they seem to share the same immature desire to sculpt giant breasts onto everything for no reason as Prodos.
There is actually a difference between these and Prodos sculpts in terms of quality and design. These designs aren't immature although a good portion of them are designed to be cheescake (instead of cheese) while others are legitimate designs. Some of the designs although fit into the background of the genre as well and aren't claiming there are force-fields protecting them. Flesh is just considered weak and will be removed and replaced anyways. Breasts doesn't automatically make something immature but the presentation of them can be. Like all things some of the designs I like, I got while others I didn't so I didn't get them.
It never hurts to ask if there will be non-pinup variants of some models. The twin power fist commissar model I got from them comes in two variants. I am hoping that the trio of Eradicators will also come in a less cheesecake version. Though I am already looking at how to convert the models into something more agreeable myself. A bit of shaving with the knife here, the addition of some purity seals and wiring there, then paint up the exposed flesh as say, a metal exo-skeleton shaped like the human form and it could also work. It's what I plan on doing with my Raging Heroes techpriest.
Dark Severance wrote: "The Adeptus Mechanicus also regard organic flesh as weak and view the removal and replacement of biological tissue with mechanical, bionic parts as sacred. Most elder Tech-priests have few organic parts left and eventually become more machine than man."
Ketara wrote: I want to like this company, but they seem to share the same immature desire to sculpt giant breasts onto everything for no reason as Prodos.
There is actually a difference between these and Prodos sculpts in terms of quality and design. These designs aren't immature although a good portion of them are designed to be cheescake (instead of cheese) while others are legitimate designs. Some of the designs although fit into the background of the genre as well and aren't claiming there are force-fields protecting them. Flesh is just considered weak and will be removed and replaced anyways. Breasts doesn't automatically make something immature but the presentation of them can be. Like all things some of the designs I like, I got while others I didn't so I didn't get them.
Thems ain't nipples, guvner, thems LEDs! The green glow's to show thems workin' proper.'
I love the vehicles, though. I have been getting them for my good lady's Post-Apocalyptic game, where they are used by the Office of the Witch Finder General, Matthew Hopkins XXIII.
Dark Severance wrote: "The Adeptus Mechanicus also regard organic flesh as weak and view the removal and replacement of biological tissue with mechanical, bionic parts as sacred. Most elder Tech-priests have few organic parts left and eventually become more machine than man."
Ketara wrote: I want to like this company, but they seem to share the same immature desire to sculpt giant breasts onto everything for no reason as Prodos.
There is actually a difference between these and Prodos sculpts in terms of quality and design. These designs aren't immature although a good portion of them are designed to be cheescake (instead of cheese) while others are legitimate designs. Some of the designs although fit into the background of the genre as well and aren't claiming there are force-fields protecting them. Flesh is just considered weak and will be removed and replaced anyways. Breasts doesn't automatically make something immature but the presentation of them can be. Like all things some of the designs I like, I got while others I didn't so I didn't get them.
So if the tau ladies aren't being defended by forcefields, what are they using? Do their giant breasts fire lasers to shoot down incoming rounds?
There is absolutely no difference to Prodos here. Breasts don't make something immature, but sculpting pneumatic gravity-defying 36E tits onto almost every female model (covered or not) is clearly a trend here. Trying to pretend it's somehow different to the Prodos Space Crusaders is not going to work. The mega-boobs aren't realistic, the body proportions are generally like Barbie, and they feel this desire to sculpt them everywhere they think they can. Immature my friend, describes it perfectly well. It's not pinup, it's titillation for 14 year olds.
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So if the tau ladies aren't being defended by forcefields, what are they using? Do their giant breasts fire lasers to shoot down incoming rounds?
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BrookM wrote: IThough I am already looking at how to convert the models into something more agreeable myself. A bit of shaving with the knife here, the addition of some purity seals and wiring there, then paint up the exposed flesh as say, a metal exo-skeleton shaped like the human form and it could also work.
Yeah I plan on shaving a bit, then trying to go the black suit method. I would have ordered another set and done that, but I made a promise to finish the ones on my paint bench first before buying more.
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Ketara wrote: So if the tau ladies aren't being defended by forcefields, what are they using? Do their giant breasts fire lasers to shoot down incoming rounds?
Covered in my initial disclaimer within that same quote:
Dark Severance wrote: These designs aren't immature although a good portion of them are designed to be cheescake (instead of cheese) while others are legitimate designs.
Ketara wrote: There is absolutely no difference to Prodos here. Breasts don't make something immature, but sculpting pneumatic gravity-defying 36E tits onto almost every female model (covered or not) is clearly a trend here.
I can tell you with 100% accuracy that those are not 36E, I should know since my wife is 34GG. The number refers to the band size while the letter represents the cup size. Those rib cages are not 36 as you already pointed out the proportions are off as the waists are much smaller than 36. They would be closer to a C/D cup depending on the sculpt though with that in mind gravity defining factor into age, person, and we're assuming they were real and not genetically altered in any fashion. I mean given the amount of plastic surgery that happens on a regular basis, I'm surprised people are shocked that most people have implants in the far future. They do appear mega only because the waists are smaller and they need to be exaggerated as most features on a miniature do. I mean if we want to talk realistic what is the point of gigantic shoulder pads in the first place? They are there because you can put unit insignia on them, it serves for a representation not a practical nature.
Ketara wrote: It's not pinup, it's titillation for 14 year olds.
That is subjective. Why 14 year olds? No one else enjoys them? Although honestly I disagree that anyone buys them because of OMG breasts! If we actually logically think in only that direction, that means men/boys enjoy playing with men/boy figures because of some base nature. To some up a quote from my wife, "There is a reason she plays males in online games, if she is going to stare at an rear all day long then it will be one she likes to look at." I'm just saying that the reasons someone does something is subjective. However there are differences in sculpts, quality even among pinups and cheesecake. However again those are going to be subjective as well.
There is absolutely no difference to Prodos here. Breasts don't make something immature, but sculpting pneumatic gravity-defying 36E tits onto almost every female model (covered or not) is clearly a trend here.
I guess you never watched pr0n!
Be gone evil nudity!
Strange Mierce never gets much flak when they have male characters/monsters with their thingie visible.
Frankly Dark Severance, I wasn't paying close enough attention to the breasts of the models to try and size them up for a precise custom bra fitting. I just tossed out a reasonably large size I plucked at random. You are to be....commended, I suppose? for your attention to them.
Regardless, I'm not particularly interested in hashing out the 'subjectivities' of taste here. It would take more time and attention to philosophical debate than I currently possess, and I doubt I would convince you of anything. If your (or whoever buys these) taste is analogous with what I would consider to be that of a 14 year old, that's entirely your/their own affair. I was merely pointing out that the sculpts Prodos is being nailed to the mast for in another thread are just as egregious here, with virtually every female sculpt displaying silicon wonders which would be the envy of most of the pornographic industry. For what it's worth, having just shown them to my own girlfriend, she derided them as, 'sexist garbage'.
Oh, and I thoroughly disregard the idea that 'heroic' proportion sculpting means a girl needs knockers bigger than her head in order differentiate her as a woman on the table, in the same way the men don't require a third leg. If you like looking at pneumatic tits on your 28mm models, that's entirely fine, and your business. But trying to justify it as a sculpting necessity or 'tech-priests abhorring clothing as part of the flesh' or a matter of 'subjectivity' or whatever isn't fooling anyone. Just declare your love for absurdly proportioned women and move on.
Yep. They basically have huge silicone boobs because the sculptor thinks people will buy more models if they have huge silicone boobs than if they don't (sadly, they probably do). Making good pinups is an art, and you can look at Kingdom Death as an example of extremely well-sculpted and well-posed pinups that still have hugely exaggerated proportions. These models have ugly balloons stuck to their chests without any rhyme or reason, there is nothing sexy about them. The only one I would even consider calling an acceptable pinup would be the sitting Tau girl.
These ones are better sculpted than the BoobMarines from Space Rusade, and if the boobage and amount of skin was less exaggerated I might have considered purchasing some of the Not-AdMech models, but it's just a bit too much for me personally. I do like the mechanical integration into the exposed body on some of them, though. Some might actually still work decently if they were painted as black synskin.
The Not-Tau on the other hand... nope. Not for me.
I'm hoping to place an order with these guys in the near future actually. But for Not-Marine heads, Kastellan Heads and possibly some Thousand Sons parts.
I have one of their twin power fist commissars, the decent one that is, perfect cast and all that. I'm also happy to see them selling the Warforge commissar, as I've always wanted to pick up a third one, but didn't want to buy from Warforge again as they quite honestly have some of the shittiest casting quality out there, whether it be metal or resin.
Ketara wrote: Frankly Dark Severance, I wasn't paying close enough attention to the breasts of the models to try and size them up for a precise custom bra fitting. I just tossed out a reasonably large size I plucked at random. You are to be....commended, I suppose? for your attention to them.
Regardless, I'm not particularly interested in hashing out the 'subjectivities' of taste here. It would take more time and attention to philosophical debate than I currently possess, and I doubt I would convince you of anything. If your (or whoever buys these) taste is analogous with what I would consider to be that of a 14 year old, that's entirely your/their own affair. I was merely pointing out that the sculpts Prodos is being nailed to the mast for in another thread are just as egregious here, with virtually every female sculpt displaying silicon wonders which would be the envy of most of the pornographic industry. For what it's worth, having just shown them to my own girlfriend, she derided them as, 'sexist garbage'.
Oh, and I thoroughly disregard the idea that 'heroic' proportion sculpting means a girl needs knockers bigger than her head in order differentiate her as a woman on the table, in the same way the men don't require a third leg. If you like looking at pneumatic tits on your 28mm models, that's entirely fine, and your business. But trying to justify it as a sculpting necessity or 'tech-priests abhorring clothing as part of the flesh' or a matter of 'subjectivity' or whatever isn't fooling anyone. Just declare your love for absurdly proportioned women and move on.
I'm glad some people have pointed this out!
I was going to trawl through the Prodos thread and pull all the morally outraged comments and repost them here - just for the sake of fair play. But I'm lazy and I have a job.
It seems like - if someone doesn't like a sculpting style, or the company botched a recent Kickstarter - they get an extra heaping of sanctimonious fire while other companies get a pass.
Personally - having no experience (good or bad) with either company - all of these models could be part of the exact same line to my eye.
Some of the admech stuff is really nice - but a lot of the rest looks not so great. Giant playdoh weapons on the Necron girls and others, oversize gravity defying cleavage etc.
Well, I guess it could be said that certain markets are not being ignored.
I LIKE the models but would like to see if a bit more clothing/body armor is available.
As a kid I really enjoyed Red Sonja but did raise the question of what is the need for an armored bikini.
I like to see more women in my wargames but would like to see the equipment they wear not too different from the men.
I like the variety in the models so gender and race I like to see appear a bit more in a "normal" fashion.
Every time this type of discussion comes up I keep thinking of this picture:
Ketara wrote: You are to be....commended, I suppose? for your attention to them.
It has nothing to do with attention as it is all about experience. ^_^ And not in that way either, I have had quite a bit of experience building cosplay armor. I've had to shape and build quite a few custom chest pieces for Mandalorian Mercs Costume Club. There have also been multiple debates over boob plate, functionality, comfort and to create custom plates or traditional diamond plates through the years on the forums there as well and within the 501st.
Ketara wrote: If your (or whoever buys these) taste is analogous with what I would consider to be that of a 14 year old, that's entirely your/their own affair.
You would probably be surprised, despite what I debate, what I have actually bought.
My issues with the Prodos sculpts are as I've said there: Want to go cheesecake and say they are shield and antigrav generators then I have no problem with that. However I do question why do we need a really big shield? Why do we need really big shoulder pads? Why do we need a loin cloth, isn't that going to get in the way of movement (I've never understood tabards personally in a scifi setting)? How is she being held in that powersuit, because those straps won't do it, are they there in addition to clamps bolted to a metal spinal column (allah Starcraft style)? Does the forcefield only stop projectile weapons and not melee weapons, does it stop acid or liquid and if it does, how does air get through? Those are my issues with the sculpts. For me the T&A aren't the issue, the designs just seem bad to me.
For the record too, I am not saying there are not bad sculpts in this batch either. Every line has good and bad sculpts. The detail in these sculpts compared to others are extradionary, breasts aside, and that is the simple difference between this and Space Crusade. Now that could be because of the paint jobs they showed, the resin casts that was shown later appeared a bit better but still lacks detail that I get with these.
Necroborg: I haven't bought them because I don't like the metal nipples. If they were at least simple smooth like Black Widow then I could do something with that but what is the point of nipples. I am tempted to buy Black Widow but not sure how it will look painted so have held off still.
Dark Elf: The sculpt isn't my thing but I've never really understood Slaanesh.
Imperial: The cars are awesome, I will be buying those and the bike. Eradicator squad I really like the detail except for the breasts, might be tempted to sand them and do black suit but haven't decided yet. The detail on the miniatures though is insane compared to most things on the market and that is why the sculpting is good. Some of the Female Commissars though I'd probably get Raging Heroes instead.
Space Marines: No complaints there, not much of a marines player though. I probably wouldn't pick up anything from there.
Battle Sisters: I do have an issue with some of the details here. Unlike the other sculpts in the other lines, some of th details in these appear way too busy. I think those were 'classically' sculpted instead of 3d like some of the newer ones and that may be what is making the difference. The rest of the models fit the theme but I've never been fond of GW Sisters of Repentia so I wouldn't buy this version either.
Chaos and Orks: I don't play either of these so I have no reference and can't really compare them to anything.
Tau: Veteran Ranger Gunslinger (bought), Female Commander (bought), Network Hacker (bought), Veteran Ranger Big Shas (bought). Might end up getting the Marauder and Female Veteran but don't have a role for them to take up at this time. The other Vengeance Squads and the naked sniper I'm not interested in.
Ketara wrote: You are to be....commended, I suppose? for your attention to them.
It has nothing to do with attention as it is all about experience. ^_^ And not in that way either, I have had quite a bit of experience building cosplay armor. I've had to shape and build quite a few custom chest pieces for Mandalorian Mercs Costume Club. There have also been multiple debates over boob plate, functionality, comfort and to create custom plates or traditional diamond plates through the years on the forums there as well and within the 501st.
Ketara wrote: If your (or whoever buys these) taste is analogous with what I would consider to be that of a 14 year old, that's entirely your/their own affair.
You would probably be surprised, despite what I debate, what I have actually bought.
Necroborg: I haven't bought them because I don't like the metal nipples. If they were at least simple smooth like Black Widow then I could do something with that but what is the point of nipples. I am tempted to buy Black Widow but not sure how it will look painted so have held off still.
I've bought the female overlord, no nipples are protruding, might just be how they look on the photo?
Ffyllotek wrote: I've bought the female overlord, no nipples are protruding, might just be how they look on the photo?
Proturiding was probably the incorrect term for that particular set of models. They are smooth, but there are circles (grooves) that basically outline them giving that look and clearly identifying what they would be. Painting wouldn't simply mask or cover it, it would need some liquid green stuff to make it flush like Black Widow version.
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: It seems like - if someone doesn't like a sculpting style, or the company botched a recent Kickstarter - they get an extra heaping of sanctimonious fire while other companies get a pass.
That is not entirely true. Raging Heroes and Kingdom Death all had similar discussions, even the first few posts in this thread briefly touched on it. Some figures were a bit much and others were great sculpts and that was that.
In this thread we just have the discussion of those that like the miniatures, those that don't because of boobs, and then there is the cars which are really cool. That is pretty much it.
In the Prodos thread you have the above but a lot more than that which creates a lot more discussion. As it was already summed in that thread, there are multiple camps of posters in the Prodos thread.
1: Actually disliking the miniatures.
2: Liking the miniatures but being upset at the missed opportunity. Sisters players looking for good proxies go in here, but Prodos said they'll bring out armoured versions so this is a bit of a non issue unless you take issue with their poses, which aren't gritty combat stances - in which case that's number 1.
3: Virtue Signalling - being seen to reject what are admittedly highly sexualised toy soldiers for one of the following causes:
-- 3a: Moral outrage - sexuality is bad.
-- 3b: Social Justice - these women are sexy which reduces women to objects, women should only be sexy when they so choose and for reasons which I find valid.
-- 3c: Space marines are Serious Business - this reinforces the idea that wargamers are just lonely losers and now nobody will take my hobby of collecting and playing with toy space soldiers seriously.
4: Not erotic enough. Why stop at bare midriffs and thighs?
5: The armour is not logical. Rather than a resistance to the form, its a resistance to the lack of function. Whether the glaring vulnerabilities which could be waved away in fantasy setting's chain mail bikini or spine crushing weight the lack of support between the boots and chestplate would place on the girls shoulders, the internal inconsistency of power armored lingerie is too much to suspend disbelief. This ties in with 2.
6: Fans and Not-Fans of Prodos' other projects are either aggrieved that effort is going into this with promises unfulfilled elsewhere or advising others to be wary of said unfulfilled promises.
7: It isn't Space Crusade and thus childhood memories stained now with objectified boobs on armor.
I am not sure porn was ever the epitome of maturity. Actually, I think most of it is not really mature…
It is a fantasy and especially in the 80's and 90's it was filled with ladies with the stick on basketball breasts, the point is that a lot of male have sexual fantasies about ladies with let's say unnatural measurements.
You can be a 15 year old teenager with hormonses out the wazoo and look at a naked girl and say..that's crass (my nephew god bless him) but laugh at fart jokes like they are the height of comedy
Or you can be a very respected senior plant maintenance technician (actual job that pays ...alot) who is very respectable, polite, financially fiscal and politically motivated (all signs of maturity from the usual expectations) and have a room chock full of well... "ladies with the stick on basketball breasts" Who. happens to be my wife's frieind father.
I dislike the general forum consensus that all people who don't like sexually represented concepts are snooty social justice warriors and anyone who does is a immature 15 year old loser who cant get a date.
You can be very mature and like playboy bunnies quite alot. Heff sure did. Sexual interests do not parallel social maturity.
Dark Severance wrote: In this thread we just have the discussion of those that like the miniatures, those that don't because of boobs, and then there is the cars which are really cool. That is pretty much it.
In the Prodos thread you have the above but a lot more than that which creates a lot more discussion. As it was already summed in that thread, there are multiple camps of posters in the Prodos thread.
1: Actually disliking the miniatures.
2: Liking the miniatures but being upset at the missed opportunity. Sisters players looking for good proxies go in here, but Prodos said they'll bring out armoured versions so this is a bit of a non issue unless you take issue with their poses, which aren't gritty combat stances - in which case that's number 1.
3: Virtue Signalling - being seen to reject what are admittedly highly sexualised toy soldiers for one of the following causes:
-- 3a: Moral outrage - sexuality is bad.
-- 3b: Social Justice - these women are sexy which reduces women to objects, women should only be sexy when they so choose and for reasons which I find valid.
-- 3c: Space marines are Serious Business - this reinforces the idea that wargamers are just lonely losers and now nobody will take my hobby of collecting and playing with toy space soldiers seriously.
4: Not erotic enough. Why stop at bare midriffs and thighs?
5: The armour is not logical. Rather than a resistance to the form, its a resistance to the lack of function. Whether the glaring vulnerabilities which could be waved away in fantasy setting's chain mail bikini or spine crushing weight the lack of support between the boots and chestplate would place on the girls shoulders, the internal inconsistency of power armored lingerie is too much to suspend disbelief. This ties in with 2.
6: Fans and Not-Fans of Prodos' other projects are either aggrieved that effort is going into this with promises unfulfilled elsewhere or advising others to be wary of said unfulfilled promises.
7: It isn't Space Crusade and thus childhood memories stained now with objectified boobs on armor.
Yeah, that's a good list, but I disagree a bit because the OP seems incredibly dismissive of the idea that people ACTUALLY might find the models sexist and genuinely dislike that. He dismisses is as 'virtue signalling' and 'social justice' (a term pretty much only used by trolls).
I tend to think that there's not much difference between these and Prodos. These are SLIGHTLY nicer - it looks like the purpose of the female Mechanics was to do 'sexy pin-up tech priest' while the Prodos 'Boobinators' seem solely there for the boobs, but it's pretty much the same thing.
The difference, to my mind, is that this is a small, probably single-person, Ukranian recaster with very little industry penetration and visibility, selling a niche product on a tiny website. Prodos are now a small but established company, with lines of models for sale in FLGS around the world. That's why they're getting more flak - because we expect more responsibility from them.
Talizvar wrote: Well, I guess it could be said that certain markets are not being ignored.
I LIKE the models but would like to see if a bit more clothing/body armor is available.
As a kid I really enjoyed Red Sonja but did raise the question of what is the need for an armored bikini.
I like to see more women in my wargames but would like to see the equipment they wear not too different from the men.
I like the variety in the models so gender and race I like to see appear a bit more in a "normal" fashion.
Every time this type of discussion comes up I keep thinking of this picture:
*Twitch* okay that is idiotic that picture is so stupid. I've collected comics since the early 90s I saw greats such as power girl become nothing more than a SJW target to completely changing into that thing it is now.
I hate what people do to niche hobbies. They come in having perceived ideas not knowing anything about it but because they see a sexy woman its bad. You know it's a drawing right? Not real, fake, imaginary, all of these and still its bad. If you don't like it don't buy it. It's not as if your gonna buy the sanitized version. No wonder comics and games are in trouble. Go protest some actual problems you know like actual violence.
migooo wrote: *Twitch* okay that is idiotic that picture is so stupid. I've collected comics since the early 90s I saw greats such as power girl become nothing more than a SJW target to completely changing into that thing it is now.
I hate what people do to niche hobbies. They come in having perceived ideas not knowing anything about it but because they see a sexy woman its bad.
Damn. I hate it when obsessive, creepy over-possessive fans of something consider that anyone having another idea on their favorite hobby must be an evil outsider that is both too stupid and unwilling to understand it. Also, comics + niche hobby = LOL. Next time it's video games that are going to be a niche hobby? Oh wait you already implied this too!
There are tons of people that are just as much into comics that you are, they are even comic artists, that share this criticism you deem so “idiotic”. Get a grip on reality.
Ok I have to admit after seeing one of the miniatures, that I listed as I wasn't going to buy, I might end up getting it. I will wait until I finish painting the others first. The painted version doesn't look that bad. She isn't just partly clothed as I didn't realize that her armor is around her. So this isn't a "this is what she wears into battle" type miniature, it is after the fight, cooling off or whatever you want to call it.
And apparently the discussion of breast size has now spread to Facebook:
Hey ho everyone. Something really interesting and IMPORTANT is happening now at the studio and I want YOU to become a art of it. ~
We've heard that some of our buyers write on the forum that they're not satisfied with a size of the "breast" of our miniatures. The majority consider it's too big.
Being a Page Admin (and a girl) means that I see a lot of those 3D\plastic boobies during the day and personally, I'd defend the original (big) size of our last hottie.
I ask you to join our discussion and share your thoughts about the size of miniatures' breast.
Thank you heart emoticon
migooo wrote: *Twitch* okay that is idiotic that picture is so stupid. I've collected comics since the early 90s I saw greats such as power girl become nothing more than a SJW target to completely changing into that thing it is now.
I hate what people do to niche hobbies. They come in having perceived ideas not knowing anything about it but because they see a sexy woman its bad.
Damn. I hate it when obsessive, creepy over-possessive fans of something consider that anyone having another idea on their favorite hobby must be an evil outsider that is both too stupid and unwilling to understand it. Also, comics + niche hobby = LOL. Next time it's video games that are going to be a niche hobby? Oh wait you already implied this too!
There are tons of people that are just as much into comics that you are, they are even comic artists, that share this criticism you deem so “idiotic”. Get a grip on reality.
Wow . you know i never insulted you but thanks i know that anybody who tries to defend what they like is creepy or a creep.
Hey ho everyone. Something really interesting and IMPORTANT is happening now at the studio and I want YOU to become a art of it. ~
We've heard that some of our buyers write on the forum that they're not satisfied with a size of the "breast" of our miniatures. The majority consider it's too big.
Being a Page Admin (and a girl) means that I see a lot of those 3D\plastic boobies during the day and personally, I'd defend the original (big) size of our last hottie.
I ask you to join our discussion and share your thoughts about the size of miniatures' breast.
Thank you heart emoticon
migooo wrote: *Twitch* okay that is idiotic that picture is so stupid.
My reaction is similar but it does make the point.
I've collected comics since the early 90s I saw greats such as power girl become nothing more than a SJW target to completely changing into that thing it is now.
I guess I could state a similar experience.
I hate what people do to niche hobbies. They come in having perceived ideas not knowing anything about it but because they see a sexy woman its bad. You know it's a drawing right? Not real, fake, imaginary, all of these and still its bad. If you don't like it don't buy it. It's not as if your gonna buy the sanitized version. No wonder comics and games are in trouble. Go protest some actual problems you know like actual violence.
I would not get into that assumption of "not knowing anything about it", you have no idea how wrong you are.
In this case to be on topic we are talking about big bare or nothing-to-the-imagination torso miniatures targeted at teenagers (Warhammer 40k).
It IS also like I would buy the "sanitized" version, I think they would look better.
It would be nice to have a few models that happen to be strong female characters who are not prancing around in little more than a metal bikini while the guys are wearing combat armor (darn crazy women I tell you...).
I am not "protesting" but pointing out preference.
If you plan on gaming with these pieces in public, something a little less nippily may be in order.
If it is for your private collection, who are we to argue with what you do in your own home?
I do not see how games and comics are in trouble on this particular topic, I thought the real threat is the distraction of electronics decreasing fan-base for those media forms.
migooo wrote: *Twitch* okay that is idiotic that picture is so stupid.
My reaction is similar but it does make the point.
I've collected comics since the early 90s I saw greats such as power girl become nothing more than a SJW target to completely changing into that thing it is now.
I guess I could state a similar experience.
I hate what people do to niche hobbies. They come in having perceived ideas not knowing anything about it but because they see a sexy woman its bad. You know it's a drawing right? Not real, fake, imaginary, all of these and still its bad. If you don't like it don't buy it. It's not as if your gonna buy the sanitized version. No wonder comics and games are in trouble. Go protest some actual problems you know like actual violence.
I would not get into that assumption of "not knowing anything about it", you have no idea how wrong you are.
In this case to be on topic we are talking about big bare or nothing-to-the-imagination torso miniatures targeted at teenagers (Warhammer 40k).
It IS also like I would buy the "sanitized" version, I think they would look better.
It would be nice to have a few models that happen to be strong female characters who are not prancing around in little more than a metal bikini while the guys are wearing combat armor (darn crazy women I tell you...).
I am not "protesting" but pointing out preference.
If you plan on gaming with these pieces in public, something a little less nippily may be in order.
If it is for your private collection, who are we to argue with what you do in your own home?
I do not see how games and comics are in trouble on this particular topic, I thought the real threat is the distraction of electronics decreasing fan-base for those media forms.
see those i completley agree with. I dont own any but id probably buy a few bits for my collection. but no i dont think id play with them. I have some Chronoscope sisters of the wolf that id never use in public now.
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Migooo, female characters in some part of geeky fiction are displayed massively differently and in a way, way more sexualized fashion than male characters. That does included comic books (though not all of them, thanks Glory), and models (not all of them either, thankfully, but the miniatures that are the subject of this thread are a very good example). Some people are going to call out and complain about the difference in treatment. And some of the people complaining will be more invested and knowledgeable in those hobbies than you are.
Not sure if this has been shared yet, a thousand pardons if this has been put up somewhere in the gak, but a slew of new releases for Space Marines and those clad in Tactical Dreadnought Armour: http://wargameexclusive.com/product-tag/new/
Several sets of heads and five types of terminator torso!
Talizvar wrote: In this case to be on topic we are talking about big bare or nothing-to-the-imagination torso miniatures targeted at teenagers (Warhammer 40k).
The target market is subjective and I don't think the target market is teenagers at all. For one thing, they aren't the ones with the money doing the buying. For another with ipads, cell phones and computers (almost every teenager has at least one of those) free internet pictures are all over. Just because there are breasts doesn't mean the target is adolescence teenagers, it just doesn't make any sense.
migooo wrote:*Twitch* okay that is idiotic that picture is so stupid. I've collected comics since the early 90s I saw greats such as power girl become nothing more than a SJW target to completely changing into that thing it is now. I hate what people do to niche hobbies. They come in having perceived ideas not knowing anything about it but because they see a sexy woman its bad. You know it's a drawing right? Not real, fake, imaginary, all of these and still its bad. If you don't like it don't buy it. It's not as if your gonna buy the sanitized version. No wonder comics and games are in trouble. Go protest some actual problems you know like actual violence.
Same thing with every guy being either insanely muscular or comic relief.
I'd also say that 'SJW' is a pretty troll-ish term only ever used as a way of avoiding having a discussion.
Hey ho everyone. Something really interesting and IMPORTANT is happening now at the studio and I want YOU to become a art of it. ~ We've heard that some of our buyers write on the forum that they're not satisfied with a size of the "breast" of our miniatures. The majority consider it's too big. Being a Page Admin (and a girl) means that I see a lot of those 3D\plastic boobies during the day and personally, I'd defend the original (big) size of our last hottie. I ask you to join our discussion and share your thoughts about the size of miniatures' breast. Thank you heart emoticon
This is actually brilliant. Again, I'd argue that the size of boobs, or nudity itself, isn't really the issue. You could do a naked woman with big boobs in a non-sexualised pose and people likely wouldn't have a problem. But still, good to see that WE are taking customer complaints seriously without yelling at anyone, or claiming that everyone who doesn't like the models is just worried about children seeing them. Which is a hell of a lot better than the response Prodos gave!
Another brilliant car. Just wish they were a LITTLE bigger....
BrookM wrote: To me they're just fancy terrain pieces right now, though they do scream for a ruleset that allows use of them on the tabletop.
I was hoping to use the 4x4s as Tauroxes, but they're a bit too small. They might work well as FW Tauros alternates, though - the FW models are actually quite small...
Talizvar wrote: In this case to be on topic we are talking about big bare or nothing-to-the-imagination torso miniatures targeted at teenagers (Warhammer 40k).
The target market is subjective and I don't think the target market is teenagers at all. For one thing, they aren't the ones with the money doing the buying. For another with ipads, cell phones and computers (almost every teenager has at least one of those) free internet pictures are all over. Just because there are breasts doesn't mean the target is adolescence teenagers, it just doesn't make any sense.
I should have been more clear that with GW, teenagers ARE the target market (as stated with their financial reports).
These items on offer have a more "adult" topic and cost to them so I can agree the target is a bit different with these alternate models.
I was just stating that in the forum of playing the game at a FLGS within the confines of a game targeting teenagers, some of them run the risk of being unsuitable for a space where "children" play.
As pointed out, I would really like some more combat ready versions of these models: they look great but the pin-up-girl look interferes with the serious business of wargaming.
I want the alternative offering as well, not the banning of cheesecake.
Talizvar wrote: In this case to be on topic we are talking about big bare or nothing-to-the-imagination torso miniatures targeted at teenagers (Warhammer 40k).
The target market is subjective and I don't think the target market is teenagers at all. For one thing, they aren't the ones with the money doing the buying. For another with ipads, cell phones and computers (almost every teenager has at least one of those) free internet pictures are all over. Just because there are breasts doesn't mean the target is adolescence teenagers, it just doesn't make any sense.
I should have been more clear that with GW, teenagers ARE the target market (as stated with their financial reports).
These items on offer have a more "adult" topic and cost to them so I can agree the target is a bit different with these alternate models.
I was just stating that in the forum of playing the game at a FLGS within the confines of a game targeting teenagers, some of them run the risk of being unsuitable for a space where "children" play.
As pointed out, I would really like some more combat ready versions of these models: they look great but the pin-up-girl look interferes with the serious business of wargaming.
I want the alternative offering as well, not the banning of cheesecake.
I Just backed shieldwolf because of their Amazon kit. And most importantly i love their options of covering midrifs and bear, new heads all of it. but id wan't a pin up version of the kit too. and while id probably use the pin up for display id use the other for Mordhiem or skirmish, probably frostgrave honestly. I like options options are good. I just think theres room for both some however dont.
Ffyllotek wrote: I've bought the female overlord, no nipples are protruding, might just be how they look on the photo?
Proturiding was probably the incorrect term for that particular set of models. They are smooth, but there are circles (grooves) that basically outline them giving that look and clearly identifying what they would be. Painting wouldn't simply mask or cover it, it would need some liquid green stuff to make it flush like Black Widow version.
Cryptek of Awesome wrote: It seems like - if someone doesn't like a sculpting style, or the company botched a recent Kickstarter - they get an extra heaping of sanctimonious fire while other companies get a pass.
That is not entirely true. Raging Heroes and Kingdom Death all had similar discussions, even the first few posts in this thread briefly touched on it. Some figures were a bit much and others were great sculpts and that was that.
In this thread we just have the discussion of those that like the miniatures, those that don't because of boobs, and then there is the cars which are really cool. That is pretty much it.
In the Prodos thread you have the above but a lot more than that which creates a lot more discussion. As it was already summed in that thread, there are multiple camps of posters in the Prodos thread.
1: Actually disliking the miniatures.
2: Liking the miniatures but being upset at the missed opportunity. Sisters players looking for good proxies go in here, but Prodos said they'll bring out armoured versions so this is a bit of a non issue unless you take issue with their poses, which aren't gritty combat stances - in which case that's number 1.
3: Virtue Signalling - being seen to reject what are admittedly highly sexualised toy soldiers for one of the following causes:
-- 3a: Moral outrage - sexuality is bad.
-- 3b: Social Justice - these women are sexy which reduces women to objects, women should only be sexy when they so choose and for reasons which I find valid.
-- 3c: Space marines are Serious Business - this reinforces the idea that wargamers are just lonely losers and now nobody will take my hobby of collecting and playing with toy space soldiers seriously.
4: Not erotic enough. Why stop at bare midriffs and thighs?
5: The armour is not logical. Rather than a resistance to the form, its a resistance to the lack of function. Whether the glaring vulnerabilities which could be waved away in fantasy setting's chain mail bikini or spine crushing weight the lack of support between the boots and chestplate would place on the girls shoulders, the internal inconsistency of power armored lingerie is too much to suspend disbelief. This ties in with 2.
6: Fans and Not-Fans of Prodos' other projects are either aggrieved that effort is going into this with promises unfulfilled elsewhere or advising others to be wary of said unfulfilled promises.
7: It isn't Space Crusade and thus childhood memories stained now with objectified boobs on armor.
That's true - I guess there's a preferential attachment process at work. The more tangential issues there are associated with a manufacturer/sculptor, the more discussion that thread is going to get which is going to keep pushing it to the top of the boards, which gets attention from random people who might have otherwise never opened the thread - and these people weigh in on the aesthetics of the models, which drives yet more discussion.
BrookM wrote: To me they're just fancy terrain pieces right now, though they do scream for a ruleset that allows use of them on the tabletop.
Are you looking for rules for the vehicles in their own little vehicle skirmish game with a few pieces or something more centered in integrating these into a current WH40K game?
My good lady loves the cars, and rolls her eyes at some (not all) of the accompanying ladies. (She likes the one with the scroll - which came with the first car that I got her.)
Me, I think that the cars are really silly... but I like them anyway - and, for these releases - the cars are more important than the ladies.
The Auld Grump, even if the cars do make me play the theme from The Munsters in my head....
WOW, that SOB bike is sex on wheels. Time to scour these guys stock again.
EDIT: As to the "other" conversation.. please stop trying to bring social issues into this thread. If you don't like the models, that's your own personal choice. The bickering about what everyone thinks about bra sizes is tiring. One of the best aspects of living in a free world is being able to think for yourself and not have to have your views fed to you by others. If someone doesn't like these models for ANY reason.. please just take it to the company. Don't make a spectacle out of it in a freaking News and Rumor thread.
Here's an example of how to talk about liking or disliking something in a way conducive to conversation.
I like how inventive a lot of their sculpts are. They're super characterful and they take different approaches to something we've all seen done to death and somehow keep it fresh. I'm not a fan of some of their choices on proportions but just like double bacon cheeseburgers with onion rings and jalapenos, if I don't like it I can simply not purchase it
MLaw wrote: I like how inventive a lot of their sculpts are. They're super characterful and they take different approaches to something we've all seen done to death and somehow keep it fresh.
Dude, if you like the models, that's your own personal choice. One of the best aspects of living in a free world is being able to think for yourself and not have to have your views fed to you by others. If you like these models for ANY reason.. please just take it to the company. Don't make a spectacle out of it in a freaking News and Rumor thread.
Just take it to the company and stop sullying this thread about a model range with opinions about those models. What do you think this is, a discussion forum?
Same thing with every guy being either insanely muscular or comic relief.
It is not "a thing", bare boobs on a 28mm plastic model is not "actual violence" nor does it promote rape. If you seriously look at one of those models and think - because of how the model is presented - to yourself "I guess rape is OK, right?" - you really REALLY need to seek help.
I'd also say that 'SJW' is a pretty troll-ish term only ever used as a way of avoiding having a discussion.
The term "SJW" is mostly derogative, I'll agree to that - but what else do you want to call this movement? There simply isn't another term I'm aware of that describes it. And the negative connotation to "SJW" is in parts based on the behaviour of that movement.
Since WE seems to be open to feedback (which in itself is great, by the way!), I'll add my opinion:
I've bought I think 6 miniatures off of WE, and the one and only thing I dislike about them is the oversexualization - it really detracts from the overall great quality to have boobs almost jumping into your face. I've resorted to greenstuff to somewhat fix it, but I'm not really talented at converting and probably ruined them (still have to clean up und paint them).
I'd pick up a whole bunch of Guard/Inquisition/Mechanicum/Sisters models (including the ones I already have) if they came out with natural proportions and in a "decently armoured/clothed" version. e.g. the Commissar with the Grenade Launcher is great ASIDE from the ridiculous boobs. For me that makes the entire model unusable, and converting it to a more reasonable chest area would just result in me destroying the miniature.
Even worse is the Eradicator Squad - I'd love to use them as Ordo Xenos Inquisitors with Conversion Beamers, but making them halfway decent is simply outside of my abilities sadly.
I wish there were different versions - "Regular", "Pin-Up" and "Naked", with the regular line having regular proportions and the later two being the usual WE currently available. I don't have kids nor do I play in your regular GW store where kids are around, it's just that I prefer more natural models / poses. Victoria Miniatures does a great job at that, which is why I've spent way too much on my guard infantry (Arcadians).
It's good to see Wargame Exclusive expanding their range. They always struck me as very well-made, just let down by their, uh, "art direction". I'm fine with cheesecake, but a lot of the women are just absurd looking*. Which is a real shame, especially given how excellent the other design elements are. Cheesecake is hard to do well without coming across as just plain silly.
It'd be nice to get a sort of "Cheesecake Version" and normal version of certain things. It'd make the cheesecake less blatant, more tongue-in-cheek, and give the option for those who like it, while still having very nice models with a serious design. I'd adore those female Inquisitors if they looked more serious. Sexy armour is fine - Inquisitors are damn stylish, after all - but those just really throw me off. Incidentally, since Wargame Exclusive did a "sexy Shadowsun" based on that one fanart floating around, might we get such things as a faithful model of Inquisitor Adrastia from Dawn of War 2? And with the new (very lovely) Chaos conversion bits, they certainly have the production capacity to do some gorgeous-but-realistic Sisters.
* Still a lot better than Prodos' "Space Crusaders".
To be honest, the proportions don't fuss me too much - some women have 'em, some women don't and there are a lot of women out there to validate either argument (Although I will admit that a number of the sculpts really do push the boundary of realism - yes, Mechanicum Inquisitor, i'm looking at you). It would definitely be.. odd, to see a whole unit of strikingly buxom women purely as nature doesn't bestow everybody the same way and the military cares not for breast size, but the odd individual here or there with these proportions - not unheard of. My main problem with the sculpts would just be the lack of clothing - hellish unpractical for modern combat conditions but that said, the Spartans used to fight naked at times, so again - not entirely unheard of.
It's a pity they didn't do more IG minis as I'd love some Stormtroopers to start off a mixed gender regiment provided they had proper functional armour and clothing. Even if they didn't, a little GS goes a long way towards fixing that. They can obviously do more sensible minis - evidence below:
Makes me wonder though - how does GW take their obvious... appropriation, of FW designs:
Makes me wonder though - how does GW take their obvious... appropriation, of FW designs
I get the feeling that after the legal face slap that was the chapterhouse lawsuit that GW is less eager to throw a ton of money at legally attacking another company that wont actually get them any reuslts. This is pure conjecture though.
Aren't they located in Ukraine as well? A lot easier to sue someone in the USA then someone in Ukraine or China.
I quite like the Mechanic-Eradicator trio of models, but I wouldn't personally buy them in their current form. I could always buy them, glue something over the camel toe, file off the bolt-nipples, paint the skin black, try to cover up the bare arses and the probably-inevitable details "underneath".... but it's a wee bit too much fething about for me. If they had versions of all three with nicely-sculpted robes, I'd be down.
Wargame Exclusive's self-description on facebook wrote:
Wargame Exclusive is a whacking online-store, that is specialized on selling miniatures including exclusively designed models for wargames.
Azazelx wrote: Aren't they located in Ukraine as well? A lot easier to sue someone in the USA then someone in Ukraine or China.
I quite like the Mechanic-Eradicator trio of models, but I wouldn't personally buy them in their current form. I could always buy them, glue something over the camel toe, file off the bolt-nipples, paint the skin black, try to cover up the bare arses and the probably-inevitable details "underneath".... but it's a wee bit too much fething about for me. If they had versions of all three with nicely-sculpted robes, I'd be down.
Wargame Exclusive's self-description on facebook wrote:
Wargame Exclusive is a whacking online-store, that is specialized on selling miniatures including exclusively designed models for wargames.
Indeed.
I thought the same thing about the eradicators. I like sculpting though so turning them into bodysuits isn't as far-fetched for me.. I'm just broke
To be honest, the proportions don't fuss me too much - some women have 'em, some women don't and there are a lot of women out there to validate either argument (Although I will admit that a number of the sculpts really do push the boundary of realism - yes, Mechanicum Inquisitor, i'm looking at you). It would definitely be.. odd, to see a whole unit of strikingly buxom women purely as nature doesn't bestow everybody the same way and the military cares not for breast size, but the odd individual here or there with these proportions - not unheard of. My main problem with the sculpts would just be the lack of clothing - hellish unpractical for modern combat conditions but that said, the Spartans used to fight naked at times, so again - not entirely unheard of.
It's a pity they didn't do more IG minis as I'd love some Stormtroopers to start off a mixed gender regiment provided they had proper functional armour and clothing. Even if they didn't, a little GS goes a long way towards fixing that. They can obviously do more sensible minis - evidence below:
It's funny: while the model has much better realistic proportions in terms of anatomy... that gun. Oi. It seems miniatures are always cursed to diverge wildly from the plausibly in at least some way.
See, I rather like this model. I have nothing against pin-up girls, or female models showing a little skin. It's just the silicon-tastic nature of the other models that bugs me. The lady above is extremely well-sculpted and proportioned. Prodo's girls and the stuff I highlighted before, are not.
Warpig1815 wrote: My main problem with the sculpts would just be the lack of clothing - hellish unpractical for modern combat conditions but that said, the Spartans used to fight naked at times, so again - not entirely unheard of.
It's a pity they didn't do more IG minis as I'd love some Stormtroopers to start off a mixed gender regiment provided they had proper functional armour and clothing. Even if they didn't, a little GS goes a long way towards fixing that. They can obviously do more sensible minis - evidence below:
It is a silly state of affairs when the pic above is what constitutes "more sensible". Any idea what happens when you have exposed cleavage and the ejection of shell casings?
Ouch!
On the other hand, 40k and -if we are honest- most non-historical wargames, are essentially sci and/or fantasy comic book melius, so the improbable is the norm. Perhaps the real sillyness is to even bother trying to compare such sculpts to any standard of realistic function.
Warpig1815 wrote: My main problem with the sculpts would just be the lack of clothing - hellish unpractical for modern combat conditions but that said, the Spartans used to fight naked at times, so again - not entirely unheard of.
It's a pity they didn't do more IG minis as I'd love some Stormtroopers to start off a mixed gender regiment provided they had proper functional armour and clothing. Even if they didn't, a little GS goes a long way towards fixing that. They can obviously do more sensible minis - evidence below:
It is a silly state of affairs when the pic above is what constitutes "more sensible". Any idea what happens when you have exposed cleavage and the ejection of shell casings?
Ouch!
On the other hand, 40k and -if we are honest- most non-historical wargames, are essentially sci and/or fantasy comic book melius, so the improbable is the norm. Perhaps the real sillyness is to even bother trying to compare such sculpts to any standard of realistic function.
guns that eject casings towards you is rather silly, there are right handed and left handed weapons . I prefer revolvers as I've actually fired those. and old flintlock stuff but not sure that counts as there is no casings
SERIOUSLY... Bolters are supposed to be caseless. Las weapons don't have casings to eject. That means she somehow has an autopistol or a slug gun of some sort. If that's the case, she deserves burnt bewbies.
Also, if large boobs offend people but not the gargantuan biceps and pecs on the male models, then maybe you got a 2 for 1 on those standards... or maybe I'm just seeing double.
Those new weapons look super cool. I wish they had a little less of a techno feel to them as they'd be helpful for Mordheim :/
MLaw wrote: SERIOUSLY...
Bolters are supposed to be caseless.
Las weapons don't have casings to eject.
That means she somehow has an autopistol or a slug gun of some sort. If that's the case, she deserves burnt bewbies.
Also, if large boobs offend people but not the gargantuan biceps and pecs on the male models, then maybe you got a 2 for 1 on those standards... or maybe I'm just seeing double.
Those new weapons look super cool. I wish they had a little less of a techno feel to them as they'd be helpful for Mordheim :/
Bolt pistols and some Boltguns do have ejection ports modelled on them.
Bolters used to be caseless weapons, however the RULE OF COOL has dictated that they spit out heaps and heaps of brass like any other conventional projectile weapon out there.
Earlier bolter models did in fact not come with ejection ports, but this has been rectified over time.
migooo wrote: guns that eject casings towards you is rather silly, there are right handed and left handed weapons . I prefer revolvers as I've actually fired those. and old flintlock stuff but not sure that counts as there is no casings
Despite intended side ejection many times casings are ejected somewhat upwards (or up and over the shoulder) and casings can ricochet wildly off of any surface. Most shooters of semi automatic pistols have at some point been smacked by a casing and that (in addition to posted rules) is why you'll rarely see cleavage and open-toed shoes on the firing range.
Of course now I've broken my own rule and have brought "realism" within 50 yards of 40k.
Doh!
BrookM wrote: Bolters used to be caseless weapons, however the RULE OF COOL has dictated that they spit out heaps and heaps of brass like any other conventional projectile weapon out there.
Earlier bolter models did in fact not come with ejection ports, but this has been rectified over time.
RT-era bolters did have ejection ports. Lots of RT-era artwork shows cases being ejected and the models feature them quite prominently and obviously. 2E Bolters lacked the ejection ports. The very first marines - Naismith's ones with the funky knees and lacking huge lower greaves had Laser weapons that we all just used as Bolters because space marines.
When I typed that I had the second edition bolters in mind. Those were my first plastics and gateway into this hobby. Never knew that RT-era bolters were cooler though.
Maybe that pistol is gas-operated blow-forwards, like the Pancor Jackhammer, and fires from an open bolt to facilitate rapid fire?
Approximately as inefficient and unergonomic as a pistol could possibly be but, hey, at least with all that mass that far forward, you won't get much muzzle rise… assuming you don't break your wrist with the first shot anyway.
MLaw wrote: Also, if large boobs offend people but not the gargantuan biceps and pecs on the male models, then maybe you got a 2 for 1 on those standards... or maybe I'm just seeing double.
I totally agree - there's no reason to get offended over either one, but treating male and female depictions differently is kinda prevalent. I've not seen american TV blur male nipples, ever.
I'm still allowed to prefer resin 28mm miniatures with smaller chests over watermelons and I'm still allowed to simply not buy watermelon'ed miniatures. I'd never tell WE to stop producing those models, I'm just asking for alternative versions to be made available, too. I won't hold it against them if they don't, but I'd be happy if they did and I'd throw some money in their general direction in exchange for melonfree resin.
MLaw wrote: Also, if large boobs offend people but not the gargantuan biceps and pecs on the male models, then maybe you got a 2 for 1 on those standards... or maybe I'm just seeing double.
I totally agree - there's no reason to get offended over either one, but treating male and female depictions differently is kinda prevalent. I've not seen american TV blur male nipples, ever.
I'm still allowed to prefer resin 28mm miniatures with smaller chests over watermelons and I'm still allowed to simply not buy watermelon'ed miniatures. I'd never tell WE to stop producing those models, I'm just asking for alternative versions to be made available, too. I won't hold it against them if they don't, but I'd be happy if they did and I'd throw some money in their general direction in exchange for melonfree resin.
I chock up both the muscles and cleavage (and enlarged rear ends on the women) to heroic scale. EVERYTHING is exaggerated.. Guns, feet, hands, heads, vehicles, equipment.. I think to a point, if you're doing heroic sci-fi or fantasy that's way out there, then size is really whatever.. as long as in hand the miniature looks good there's no problem. Having said that.. I've bought miniatures where in the picture the feet looked stupidly massive.. and I openly complained about the sizes of the hands and the stumpiness of the legs.. but I ended up with the models in question and in hand.. all of that was still true but when the figure is only 1" tall you don't really notice it unless you're really really staring.
MLaw wrote: Also, if large boobs offend people but not the gargantuan biceps and pecs on the male models, then maybe you got a 2 for 1 on those standards... or maybe I'm just seeing double.
I totally agree - there's no reason to get offended over either one, but treating male and female depictions differently is kinda prevalent. I've not seen american TV blur male nipples, ever.
I'm still allowed to prefer resin 28mm miniatures with smaller chests over watermelons and I'm still allowed to simply not buy watermelon'ed miniatures. I'd never tell WE to stop producing those models, I'm just asking for alternative versions to be made available, too. I won't hold it against them if they don't, but I'd be happy if they did and I'd throw some money in their general direction in exchange for melonfree resin.
I chock up both the muscles and cleavage (and enlarged rear ends on the women) to heroic scale. EVERYTHING is exaggerated.. Guns, feet, hands, heads, vehicles, equipment.. I think to a point, if you're doing heroic sci-fi or fantasy that's way out there, then size is really whatever.. as long as in hand the miniature looks good there's no problem. Having said that.. I've bought miniatures where in the picture the feet looked stupidly massive.. and I openly complained about the sizes of the hands and the stumpiness of the legs.. but I ended up with the models in question and in hand.. all of that was still true but when the figure is only 1" tall you don't really notice it unless you're really really staring.
If that wasn't clear: I'm not talking about the commissar posted earlier:
Spoiler:
In fact, I already own one of those, it looks just as great as I imagined.
I'm saying the one below is something i just won't buy nor ever like with that kind of chest:
Clarification wasn't really needed. I saw the balloon boobs.. and have seen the same from Brother Vinni.. My point was I think a lot of that is just part of "heroic scale". Or they are bringing back the concept of fertility.. like the old statues and sculptures..
This company is brilliant, allowed me to swipe Terminators 'el cheapo' and then cataphractii them up! Perfect for making that second, not exactly the same as the other Terminator squad from Calth.
MLaw wrote: Clarification wasn't really needed. I saw the balloon boobs.. and have seen the same from Brother Vinni.. My point was I think a lot of that is just part of "heroic scale". Or they are bringing back the concept of fertility.. like the old statues and sculptures..
I'm not sure that I completely agree, but I certainly think that the limitations of 28mm scale are implicated in all of this, which is one reason why I personally am happy to see more and more stuff coming out that is not afraid to move into 32-35mm scale. Perhaps I am wrong, but my impression has been that, even though the overall size difference is not huge, it makes a noticeable difference in the kind of fine and naturalistic detail that one can achieve.
That said, there are certainly companies that are able to achieve some great stuff in smaller scales, like CB's Infinity or some of the newest PP sculpts.... Although, now that I think about it, I'm not completely sure what scale those lines are. Hmm...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, did some digging on Facebook, for those wondering why one of the cars isn't available on its own yet, they're still working on the driver:
Automatically Appended Next Post: More stuff, either WIP or unknown:
TheCrusadeSmurf wrote: This company is brilliant, allowed me to swipe Terminators 'el cheapo' and then cataphractii them up! Perfect for making that second, not exactly the same as the other Terminator squad from Calth.
I'm liking that Ork bike and I don't even paint Orks! Although, it may be nicer if there was a proper Ork in there instead of a Cybernetic one, but hey-ho.
Lockark wrote: Not sure if flame thrower cars are road legal even in the grim darkness of the far future. Has road rage really gotten that bad in the empire of man.
Fun Fact: flamethrowers are not regulated in the US by the National Firearms Act. In fact, there are no federal laws banning or regulating the sale or possession of flamethrowers by private citizens. Watch those eyebrows and arm hair, though!
I really like the flamethrower car/truck.
I am sure using it as standard kit will make everyone better drivers.
It sure beats flashing your hi-beams... the lights on your car you silly people.
I am still reeling from the heroic scale female body parts discussion.
MLaw wrote: The left arm on that necron and that tau look funky to me.. Maybe it's the angle or something..
The left arm looks funky but the mecha-boobs don't?
If one of the boobs was bigger than the other or oddly shaped.. yes.. it would but I'm looking at symmetry. I get why the Necrons is shorter.. actually..no I don't.. I get why it's different.. but it looks kinda stubby compared to the right..