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Post by: Verviedi
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2016/01/full-adeptus-mechanicus-codex.html?m=1
Source: Atia and Squiggly.
Lady Atia chimed in and added to the Adeptus Mechanicus conversation here on Faeit 212. With that, it was time to update and combine the articles so that everything credible here in one place.
It makes it easy for Games Workshop to release a full Adeptus Mechanicus codex simply because most of the work is already done. I can see this as the good strategy to get a new army into the 40k fold; release a smaller codex, see how it goes, and then a second one to build up the support for it. This most likely helps a lot get everything done so that an entirely new army does not have to be released all at once.
Now with the models done for them, combining them into a full codex is much easier, and any models that were in the design stage, and did not quite make production, are saved for the full codex release. That doesn't mean you wont be able to play the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus on their own, this just gives you the option to play the full codex.
I would expect this release to be sooner than later. Squiggly's bits of information have been no more than a couple months out at the most in the past.
Lords of War also hinted at a full Adeptus Mechanicus Codex as well some time ago. Things are looking good for this release. Looks like I am retiring my Eldar for something new.
via Lady Atia as posted on Faeit 212 and Bolter and Chainsword
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/317414-new-starter-boxes/?p=4258332
Well wouldnt be surprised to see a proper Ad Mec codex when they release their Crusader and Collosus robots
they have designs for them (infact the only designs that didn't got used for the last two Ad Mec releases)
yeah, GW has concepts done for 2 more robots boxes, one which is based on the old collossus and should be a dual kit box, the other based on the crusader. Should have new Datasmith models in it too (or at least that was the plan)
via Squiggly from New Years
Since it's new years...
I have this big jumbo Admech codex, with a new flyer, more robots, and a general release of that lovely Enginseer that popped up last month. No idea on timeframe.
via Squiggly from earlier today
(about CSM not Getting a Codex Release until 2017)
This is true I'm sad to say. We will see some chaos stuff for both game systems this year though. Mostly of the blue variety.
New admech book. Basically the two seperate codexes rolled into the big book with some new additions. The new additions are basically just leftovers from the last release that never got put into production. There was concept work done on two more types of battle robots and a new flyer of some sorts. That Enginseer from the Leman Russ bundle should also be getting a seperate release.
No idea on timeframe, but if the Admech I.A is getting released this year. Common sense would dictate...
And BoLS, which is, of course, maybe one sentence is true.
Yesterday the rumorsphere heard about a combined Adeptus Mechanicus codex that would integrate the full contents of 2015’s Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus books.
But the big news was word of new kits including:
2 new robots
1 new flyer
A trusted source has reached out to BoLS with the following information on the robot kit:
The new Ad-Mech kits is a dual built kit, with both options in the box.
Both are upright walkers.
General appearance is of a thinner version of the plastic Kastelan.
One robot has anti-infantry high rate of fire weapons.
One robot has a large battering ram close combat weapon
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Post by: Nicorex
If this is true. I will give GW a ton of cash and get back into 40K.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That Enginseer from the Leman Russ bundle should also be getting a seperate release.
Well it's about time...
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Post by: zedmeister
About flippin' time. Hopefully they newer robots are a bit less, well, mutant
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Post by: Verviedi
Supposedly they will be spindlier. Of course, knowing BoLS, this means they are going to be identical to Baymax.
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Post by: zedmeister
 Verviedi wrote:Supposedly they will be spindlier. Of course, knowing BoLS, this means they are going to be identical to Baymax.
It's BoLS, so we can safely ignore anything they say.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Would be nice if they did a plastic servitor/tech thrall kit too.
I don't understand why GW isn't adding hoard units instead of big kits people will only buy one of.
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Post by: Warhams-77
I am sceptical... And everything Squiggly posted has been said earlier...
Sad Panda ('blue chaos') and Atia (more robots from RT going plastic, design work has been done).
The flyer rumor was in some of the Bols posts last year. I only trust Sad Panda and Atia with this - the rehash adds nothing, not even a general release date like Q2 or Q3.
In all her AdMech-related posts Atia also made it very clear there COULD be a combined Codex. She is not saying she got information that there will be one. Currently this is far from being confirmed by a well-known reliable source.
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Post by: roddie
So are they going to charge more for this than the £40 (in the UK) they're currently asking for the Skitarii/AdMech codex bundle?
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Post by: The Wise Dane
Please. No more robots, no more fliers. Can't we get some tanks or normal infantry?
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Post by: Verviedi
 The Wise Dane wrote:Please. No more robots, no more fliers. Can't we get some tanks or normal infantry?
I'd prefer a transport...
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Post by: the_Armyman
As much as I want a combined AdMech book, I wanted it last year when they released two separate books. GW makes it really easy to justify not spending a dime on their printed material when they do obnoxious stuff like split their codexes and/or invalidate them within 12-18 months with unnecessary churn.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
A combined codex would explain the Start Collecting bundle's two factions in one box. I imagine many early adopters of Ad Mech or Skitarii will be pissed.
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Post by: Atia
 the_Armyman wrote:As much as I want a combined AdMech book, I wanted it last year when they released two separate books. GW makes it really easy to justify not spending a dime on their printed material when they do obnoxious stuff like split their codexes and/or invalidate them within 12-18 months with unnecessary churn.
it's not all that obnoxious ^^
they will always release rules at the end of a release wave, we got two waves for ad mec, no model = no rules; that's why you got two books for two waves ^^
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Post by: kronk
I'd like to see AdMech get a transport, even if it's just a fancy Rhino.
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Post by: the_Armyman
 Atia wrote: the_Armyman wrote:As much as I want a combined AdMech book, I wanted it last year when they released two separate books. GW makes it really easy to justify not spending a dime on their printed material when they do obnoxious stuff like split their codexes and/or invalidate them within 12-18 months with unnecessary churn.
it's not all that obnoxious ^^
they will always release rules at the end of a release wave, we got two waves for ad mec, no model = no rules; that's why you got two books for two waves ^^
It's not my fault GW's so paranoid of competition that they have to partition their codexes based upon model production. They blew up an entire setting to protect their IP, released a new Knights codex after barely a year for a couple new bolt-on upgrades, and now they're finally going to unify two books that should have been one because they didn't have room in their production schedule.
They don't value their printed products, why should anyone else?
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Post by: Kirasu
Atia wrote: the_Armyman wrote:As much as I want a combined AdMech book, I wanted it last year when they released two separate books. GW makes it really easy to justify not spending a dime on their printed material when they do obnoxious stuff like split their codexes and/or invalidate them within 12-18 months with unnecessary churn.
it's not all that obnoxious ^^
they will always release rules at the end of a release wave, we got two waves for ad mec, no model = no rules; that's why you got two books for two waves ^^
I don't see how someone can say it's not obnoxious. You just bought two 50$ books and now you have to buy a "combined" book which invalidates the other two? I"m sure you'll be able to buy a 400$ limited edition book too.. there is a reason people find other ways to get GW books.
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Post by: BrookM
Makes me glad I didn't buy the Mechanicus book alongside the Skitarii one back then, I'm still smarting from the Imperial Knight codex kerfuffle. 
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Post by: Verviedi
As an early adopter of AdMech, I would be mildly pissed off, yes. Thankfully the only AM dex I own is Skitarii, so I would just be out $33 instead of the full $66.
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Post by: Dramagod2
IDK, I bought the books when they came out and I've enjoyed playing them for a year. Im also excited about the new book as well as a posible IA addition. It doesnt bother me because I've used them. Video games are more expensive when you buy them new and then they drop in price dramatically. Its not new that the first people on board with a product pay for that privilege.
On a side note, I can understand being ticked they they didnt release them together but if they had, that release window would have taken months and the cost of entry to get the army up would have been immense from the customer perspective. The way they did it gave me time to actually afford the force as it was released sequentially. Which makes a lot of sense from a business standpoint. All in all, I can understand those that are upset, but I don't really think its a big deal, Plus, the cult and skittari books will probably stay valid as great ally forces which makes the army even more adaptable.
Look at it this way, if they released an AdMech book and then the cult and skitarii book as supplements, all the people who play admech would probably still have them, they would just be happier because of the order they were released. When I think of it that way, its just not worth it to be upset, imo.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Kirasu wrote: Atia wrote: the_Armyman wrote:As much as I want a combined AdMech book, I wanted it last year when they released two separate books. GW makes it really easy to justify not spending a dime on their printed material when they do obnoxious stuff like split their codexes and/or invalidate them within 12-18 months with unnecessary churn.
it's not all that obnoxious ^^
they will always release rules at the end of a release wave, we got two waves for ad mec, no model = no rules; that's why you got two books for two waves ^^
I don't see how someone can say it's not obnoxious. You just bought two 50$ books and now you have to buy a "combined" book which invalidates the other two? I"m sure you'll be able to buy a 400$ limited edition book too.. there is a reason people find other ways to get GW books.
If you paid $50 each for Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus, you got ripped off in a major way. They were $33 each.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Hopefully this latest news will finally put to rest all the BS crap about "New Chaos Marines book guys!" we keep seeing every 2-3 weeks like clockwork...
2017 better be 50% Chaos Marines/Daemons at this rate! 
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Post by: Kanluwen
What "latest news"?
At this point, it's just taking random postings that have been done over the past year and combining them as though it is a new rumor.
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Post by: casvalremdeikun
Experiment 626 wrote:Hopefully this latest news will finally put to rest all the BS crap about "New Chaos Marines book guys!" we keep seeing every 2-3 weeks like clockwork...
2017 better be 50% Chaos Marines/Daemons at this rate!
And watch, they would do 40K End Times and invalidate all of the Chaos stuff first thing.
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Post by: Davor
Isn't that why a lot of people torrent their books. Number one way to stop people torrenting stuff is, to actually give them a reason to buy their product. Problem is, GW is not giving us reasons why to buy their product.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Davor wrote:
Isn't that why a lot of people torrent their books. Number one way to stop people torrenting stuff is, to actually give them a reason to buy their product. Problem is, GW is not giving us reasons why to buy their product.
That's the excuse that people use to justify torrenting their books, certainly.
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Post by: Dramagod2
So in an effort to get away from the complaining and back to the rumors.....(If you want to complain, start a thread about it)
Does anyone have any thoughts on the possible models. I think its interesting that one of the robots is supposed to be high RoF for infantry as the kastelans seems to fit that a bit. Im curious how these new ones will differ. I also wonder if they will be MC or if they are bigger. If they are bigger,maybe there's an admech GMC on the way, that would be cool.
As for the flyer, Im hopinh itll be less of a plane and more of a flying robot, kinda like the ones from terminator. Give it some transport capacity with something similar to grav shoot insertiona and that would be even better.
Just some hopes and dreams.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 Kanluwen wrote:What "latest news"?
At this point, it's just taking random postings that have been done over the past year and combining them as though it is a new rumor.
 Verviedi wrote:http://natfka.blogspot.com/2016/01/full-adeptus-mechanicus-codex.html?m=1
Source: Atia and Squiggly.
via Squiggly from New Years
Since it's new years...
I have this big jumbo Admech codex, with a new flyer, more robots, and a general release of that lovely Enginseer that popped up last month. No idea on timeframe.
via Squiggly from earlier today
(about CSM not Getting a Codex Release until 2017)
This is true I'm sad to say. We will see some chaos stuff for both game systems this year though. Mostly of the blue variety.
New admech book. Basically the two seperate codexes rolled into the big book with some new additions. The new additions are basically just leftovers from the last release that never got put into production. There was concept work done on two more types of battle robots and a new flyer of some sorts. That Enginseer from the Leman Russ bundle should also be getting a seperate release.
No idea on timeframe, but if the Admech I.A is getting released this year. Common sense would dictate...
Emphasis mine.
This latest bit of news is right in line with Sad Panda's earlier statement that Chaos Marines aren't getting any real love at all this year! (despite being the most in need of major overhauling, both in rules & especially in models...)
It also fits in with both Sad Panda & Lady Atia's rumors regarding a new plastic 1kSons kit coming later on this year.
So with Squiggly's newest add-ons, it's pretty well confirmed via reliable sources that Chaos Marines are getting little support this year.
If rumors start appearing, (yet again), about supposedly "New CSM's guys!", it's 99.9% sure to be yet more made-up gak.
With these rumors, we now have 'safe' bets on two 40k releases coming this year: Space Wolves in February, and now a proper Ad Mech release/codex.
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Post by: Davespil
I just want more robots added to Cult Mech. Make one of them troops so I can take an army consisting of nothing but giant robots. No squishy troops or vehicles. Just an army of giant robots walking over everything.
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Post by: Wilson
 Davespil wrote:I just want more robots added to Cult Mech. Make one of them troops so I can take an army consisting of nothing but giant robots. No squishy troops or vehicles. Just an army of giant robots walking over everything.
Slowly... 6 inches a turn....
Painfully slow....
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Post by: Davespil
 Wilson wrote: Davespil wrote:I just want more robots added to Cult Mech. Make one of them troops so I can take an army consisting of nothing but giant robots. No squishy troops or vehicles. Just an army of giant robots walking over everything.
Slowly... 6 inches a turn....
Painfully slow....
I like to take my time.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Kanluwen wrote:Davor wrote:
Isn't that why a lot of people torrent their books. Number one way to stop people torrenting stuff is, to actually give them a reason to buy their product. Problem is, GW is not giving us reasons why to buy their product.
That's the excuse that people use to justify torrenting their books, certainly.
Explanation != Justification, a key point often missed by people who insist on taking moral stances to defend multi-million dollar corporate entities for some reason.
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Post by: Talys
Davespil wrote:I just want more robots added to Cult Mech. Make one of them troops so I can take an army consisting of nothing but giant robots. No squishy troops or vehicles. Just an army of giant robots walking over everything.
YES! 
Moar robot models, please! Not that there's anything wrong with the current models (except the Pillsbury doughboy). I just want more robots in addition to. 
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Yodhrin wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Davor wrote:
Isn't that why a lot of people torrent their books. Number one way to stop people torrenting stuff is, to actually give them a reason to buy their product. Problem is, GW is not giving us reasons why to buy their product.
That's the excuse that people use to justify torrenting their books, certainly.
Explanation != Justification, a key point often missed by people who insist on taking moral stances to defend multi-million dollar corporate entities for some reason.
What part of my post was a defense?
And quite frankly, while "explanation != justification"--most of the time where people try to "explain" why they download material rather than purchase it, it smacks of trying to justify it.
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Post by: Ratius
+1 to the more robot brigade.
Exciting news imo, would likely start collecting AM and put them up against my Crons for a Terminator style free for all
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
More robots? Ok, as long as they're not too much 50's Sci-Fi like the current one GW makes.
You cannot blame someone for assuming you are defending GW. Defending GW is your default mode.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I'll be happy to have this book, but after Imperial Knights and this I don't think I'll be buying any books for new factions until they've been out at least a year.
The robots will be cool, but I wish they'd give us a tank and a transport, even if they just copy and paste it from elsewhere.
I really want to see rules for the vehicles mentioned in the fluff that the Mechanicus use to "harvest" the battlefield for materials and biological spare parts.
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Post by: warboss
Another two GW products invalidated after less than a year... sweet!
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Post by: Talys
@warboss - possibly, they do it like Tau. Buy this wonderful $85 campaign book and get updates on your two existing books and you get a bunch of other stuff, OR, buy this new $60 which will make it all convenient!
OR... buy both, because you wanted what was in the campaign book, and having to flip between 2 codex books AND the campaign book drives you nuts.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I could get behind an AdMech-based campaign.
Though me saying that is stupid. Really the sentence above could say "I could get behind an AdMech-based [literally anything]." and it would be true.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I'd rather a single codex than a pricier campaign book. I hate it when my books are unwieldy assault weapons.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 aka_mythos wrote:I'd rather a single codex than a pricier campaign book. I hate it when my books are unwieldy assault weapons.
I thought that was half the point of Imperial Armour books... 
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Post by: aka_mythos
That's acceptable, just meant I didn't want to have to carry a stack of big books...
I'll carry a pound of gold over a pound of poop any day.
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Post by: BrookM
As lovely and golden as the Imperial Armour books are though, I'd love to see FW also adopt a digital format for their books.
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Post by: Lockark
 BrookM wrote:As lovely and golden as the Imperial Armour books are though, I'd love to see FW also adopt a digital format for their books.
That would be golden.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
 Dramagod2 wrote:IDK, I bought the books when they came out and I've enjoyed playing them for a year. Im also excited about the new book as well as a posible IA addition. It doesnt bother me because I've used them.
The reason I stopped buying GW products was because I got burned out on playing every week, and decided to take a short break pretty soon after 6th edition came out. Imagine my annoyedness that by the time I got back, the core ruleset I had only "just bought" (it seemed) was already obsolete. For those of us with a more methodical pace* or only occasional bursts of wargaming opportunities, the seeming breakneck pace of modern Games Workshop book releases seems incredibly excessive. At least back in the day you were likely to get 3-4 years out of a Codex (unless you were Dark Eldar, and used the same one from 2003 to 2012).
* Heck, it usually would take me several months from the time I buy my first codex and unit box to having an tabletop-ready army, that's simply how slowly I paint and build. and the sum of several other real-life factors that go into it. I assume a lot of people with families, other hobbies, demanding jobs and the like are the same way.
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Post by: the_scotsman
 kronk wrote:
I'd like to see AdMech get a transport, even if it's just a fancy Rhino.
Just wait for the IA: Mechanicus. The Triaros is a crackerjack transport, basically a mini land raider.
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Post by: RaptorHunter
Something I have thought of with this new book - we don't have a decursion like most armies that came out last year. With hope this new codex will gives us one.
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Post by: Red Corsair
RaptorHunter wrote:Something I have thought of with this new book - we don't have a decursion like most armies that came out last year. With hope this new codex will gives us one.
Maybe, I wonder if they copy paste the war convocation into it though. I know it isn't a custom FO but I am curious what previous formations make the grade.
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Post by: Bodhizafa
I'm pretty new to 40k and got into because I think chaos is awesome. After 2 years I now finally understand why everyone says gw hates us chaos players. I just don't understand why they do.
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Post by: aka_mythos
the_scotsman wrote: kronk wrote:
I'd like to see AdMech get a transport, even if it's just a fancy Rhino.
Just wait for the IA: Mechanicus. The Triaros is a crackerjack transport, basically a mini land raider.
The 30k Mechanicum stuff really fills in the gaps and helps the 40k Mechanicus. The Triaros would still be a good deal even if it cost more.
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Post by: the_scotsman
Yeah. Plus, we need Thanatars. Stat.
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Post by: ultimentra
the_scotsman wrote: kronk wrote:
I'd like to see AdMech get a transport, even if it's just a fancy Rhino.
Just wait for the IA: Mechanicus. The Triaros is a crackerjack transport, basically a mini land raider.
The only question now is what exactly to put inside it...
For 30k the Answer is usually Rad-Engine Myrmidons, but we might not get those in the IA book. Maybe plasma Vanguard? Most of our units that need to get up the board are already so fast..
Also, talk of flyer really has me excited. I can't wait to see what it looks like.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Probably no Automata, sorry.
Honestly the only thing I'm really fussed about is whether or not they give us the 30K-style Magos HQ. Going back to the GW Dominus after the hunners of options and wargear on the FW Magos was depressing :/
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Post by: aka_mythos
ultimentra wrote:the_scotsman wrote: kronk wrote:
I'd like to see AdMech get a transport, even if it's just a fancy Rhino.
Just wait for the IA: Mechanicus. The Triaros is a crackerjack transport, basically a mini land raider.
The only question now is what exactly to put inside it...
For 30k the Answer is usually Rad-Engine Myrmidons, but we might not get those in the IA book. Maybe plasma Vanguard? Most of our units that need to get up the board are already so fast..
Also, talk of flyer really has me excited. I can't wait to see what it looks like.
Myrmadons and the alike still exist in 40k but their weapons' rules could easily be tweaked depending on the fiction and the results of the heresy era Martian civil war.
I think we'll get something akin to what FW has done in the past... It will be a campaign specific Forge World and a list to represent it with a separate list of units that can drop right into Codex: Mechanicus armies. In that way some of the things that don't fit broader 40k use can still be used but within the confines of that sub-list, representing their rarity and the uniqueness of the books campaign setting Forge World's army.
Yodhrin wrote:
Probably no Automata, sorry.
Honestly the only thing I'm really fussed about is whether or not they give us the 30K-style Magos HQ. Going back to the GW Dominus after the hunners of options and wargear on the FW Magos was depressing :/
Automata and Legio Cybernetica still exist in a much more limited form, but they're still around. I think we'll get the automata and Thanatar but they'll be tweaked and limited. I think we'll see them with tight hand holding the Kastellan Automata have, where a techpriest has accompany them.
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Post by: ultimentra
I wonder if we'll also gain access to Krios tanks in the new IA books, I feel like the Krios Venator is superior to the Neutronager in terms of being a tank hunter.
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Post by: aracersss
remember though, no volkite weaponry of any sort
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Post by: aka_mythos
I could imagine Volkites could be present the same way archeotech weapons are... Relics reserved for characters.
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Post by: Rygnan
Don't forget that the Techpriest Dominus has the option to take a Volkite weapon already, so it isn't completely unreasonable that the Admech get it
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Post by: nudibranch
Except Ordinatus apparently. That thing is already useable in 40k and it's covered in volkite sentinels.
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Post by: Mr Morden
aka_mythos wrote:I'd rather a single codex than a pricier campaign book. I hate it when my books are unwieldy assault weapons.
I am the opposite especially since the rules elements of the campaign packs come in slimmer lighter books with the important bit (to me) the fluff in a nice separate book.
The Codexes are increasingly light on fluff and hence I have stopped buying them.
However I will say I bought both the Imperial Knight Codexes and enjoyed them - but again there was little crunch and pleasingly surprisingly little overlap of the fluff.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I think with the Mechanicus stuff it's more appropriately a Codex since they're supposedly combining the Skitaii and Cult Mechanicus books.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Bodhizafa wrote:I'm pretty new to 40k and got into because I think chaos is awesome. After 2 years I now finally understand why everyone says gw hates us chaos players. I just don't understand why they do.
Because there was this one time, back in the days of the 3.5ed codex, where Chaos reigned supreme and Loyalist players couldn't stand being the underdog...
Then Chaos triumphed during the 13th Black Crusade, and Little Timmy's everywhere wailed in lament that their precious little Speesh Muhreens weren't quite so 'uber as the fluff made them seem.
And so GW decided to strip Chaos of its soul and every ounce of character we had, and raised the lowly Loyalists up from mediocrity to a place of supreme dominance over their enemy.
But then Helldrakes came along, and suddenly Loyalists were dying again, so a new age of Loyalist dominance was ordered, so that Chaos could once again be returned to its rightful position as the Eternal Punching Bag.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Experiment 626 wrote:Bodhizafa wrote:I'm pretty new to 40k and got into because I think chaos is awesome. After 2 years I now finally understand why everyone says gw hates us chaos players. I just don't understand why they do.
Because there was this one time, back in the days of the 3.5ed codex, where Chaos reigned supreme and Loyalist players couldn't stand being the underdog...
Then Chaos triumphed during the 13th Black Crusade, and Little Timmy's everywhere wailed in lament that their precious little Speesh Muhreens weren't quite so 'uber as the fluff made them seem.
And so GW decided to strip Chaos of its soul and every ounce of character we had, and raised the lowly Loyalists up from mediocrity to a place of supreme dominance over their enemy.
But then Helldrakes came along, and suddenly Loyalists were dying again, so a new age of Loyalist dominance was ordered, so that Chaos could once again be returned to its rightful position as the Eternal Punching Bag.
Keep thinking that was the case.
Maybe one day it will be remembered as the truth!
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Post by: Red Corsair
Yea chaos is never that bad when it hits, trouble is they are almost ALWAYS the first new codex of a major edition change and then stagnate until start of the next (not counting 7th).
There were plenty of other beatstick chaos lists since that mess of a 3.5 book, seems everyone forgets dual lash, probably the most destructive power for any two strangers to use in an event.
"Hey bruh, im just gona move your prized pro painted models with my sticky fast food fingers!" Nobody ever got pissed about that little trick... oh wait...
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Post by: Orock
Desperately need transports. Speed is not the issue. It's the three thunder fire cannons or wyverns my opponents typically field largely invalidating my fast infantry types.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 Red Corsair wrote:Yea chaos is never that bad when it hits, trouble is they are almost ALWAYS the first new codex of a major edition change and then stagnate until start of the next (not counting 7th).
Actually, 6th was the only time where Chaos has come out first...
In 3rd edition they were the fourth codex to be released, with Vanillas, Dark Eldar & BA's being before them. DA's were the only subsequent book that was as underpowered as Chaos at release, as both the Ork & Eldar books that followed completely trashed them both.
So Chaos got the fabled 3.5ed book, which while it had some stupidly OP crap in it, (namely IW's + Siren/Bloodletterbomb), it was finally a competitive AND highly characterful book. In fact, that book laid the groundwork for things like Chapter Tactics, the sadly lost Doctrines and unique army-wide perks for everyone else.
The 4th ed codex was actually on the back end of the edition, but it was the second book to test out the new, "simplify everything!" style of codices. ( DA's were first, Eldar the last & BA's got White Dwarfed! )
But we still had Vanillas, Tau, Black Templars & Tyranids first.
Orks were the hybrid 4th-to-5th transition codex, and Daemons were the first true 5th ed codex. (they were only released 2 months early to piggyback with the Fantasy release, as the codex laughably didn't work one bit until 5th dropped 8 weeks later!!)
Chaos got skipped over of course entirely in 5th, which was the point that marked the true beginning of the "Chaos can't have nice things" standards from GW and our Loyalist overlords.
The 6th ed codex really comes off as being a late 5th ed book which just had a few extra rules hurridly bolted onto it. The only thing that kept it above water in 6th was the ludicrous Hellturkey FAQ that allowed them to fart ap3 death everywhere, and a near-complete lack of Imperial anti-air power.
Meanwhile, Loyalists from 4th edition and on have continuously been stealing all of our toys and getting all the MEQ love.
Red Corsair wrote:There were plenty of other beatstick chaos lists since that mess of a 3.5 book, seems everyone forgets dual lash, probably the most destructive power for any two strangers to use in an event.
"Hey bruh, im just gona move your prized pro painted models with my sticky fast food fingers!" Nobody ever got pissed about that little trick... oh wait...
Apparently that power was simply Jervis wondering out loud, "what's the worst that could possibly happen!?"
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Post by: Alpharius
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC - THE TOPIC BEING "Adeptus Mechanicus 2016 Rumors" - THANKS!
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Post by: Quarterdime
The Wise Dane wrote:Please. No more robots, no more fliers. Can't we get some tanks or normal infantry?
If it were any other army, I'd agree with you, but that's mostly what Ad Mech recieved with its inception. I mean, as far as normal goes for them...
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Post by: ThirstySpaceMan
The knight Styrix has been moved to the 40k knights section on FW. Perhaps a sign of the supposedly tandem release of admech codex and IA book. As mentioned earlier in this thread the triarios transport would be a boon to the footsloggers in the codex. With the crazy amount of synergy between FW and GW proper with calth. Could see a nice mix of complementary rules. Flyers being the thing I want most out of these rumors. And plain olé enginseers. Perhaps elite slot take in a group but split apart to IC
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Post by: Davespil
The Wise Dane wrote:Please. No more robots, no more fliers. Can't we get some tanks or normal infantry?
Why the hell would we want to make this army just like all of the rest? I want more giants robots, some of them to count as troops, one to be a HQ, and the ability to leave datasmiths behind. Just a bunch of giant robots and nothing else. Destroyers are cool and all, but the ability to take MCs as troops would be amazing. And one as a HQ would really set this army appart.
Any idea when the next IA is coming? Will there be another GW/ FW event in the near future?
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Post by: Quarterdime
Adeptus Mechanicus does have some crazy transports. They're usually extremely huge, however.
Not that I'd have any problem with that 
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
Davespil wrote: The Wise Dane wrote:Please. No more robots, no more fliers. Can't we get some tanks or normal infantry?
Why the hell would we want to make this army just like all of the rest? I want more giants robots, some of them to count as troops, one to be a HQ, and the ability to leave datasmiths behind. Just a bunch of giant robots and nothing else. Destroyers are cool and all, but the ability to take MCs as troops would be amazing. And one as a HQ would really set this army appart.
Any idea when the next IA is coming? Will there be another GW/ FW event in the near future?
Except, you know, that would be completely against the background. Machines that can think for themselves are heresy to the admech, heck, even the robots we have now that have to be babysat by the overseers are dangerously close to forbidden tech.
You want that kind of stuff, you'd need to get FW 30k. Or a traitor mechanicus list, that would work too.
Also, armies of MC are obnoxious enough with Tau and Eldar as is. The game would probably be better if there weren't even more added.
What admech needs is a transport of some kind, and maybe an actual tank of some sort with treads and a bigger gun to be a step up from the onager.
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Post by: Quarterdime
Perhaps as a surprise to no one, I have several ideas of what Ad Mech transports should look like, all of which inspired by vehicles from Star Wars.
Google Image Search "AT-TE" or "AT-OT" and you'll see what I'm talking about.
As for the examples that I've actually read about, they're usually transporting servitors. Either standing or tracked, and by the way, if there is a transport, it should be the most spacious transport in the game for that reason. It should be able to transport the tracked servitors imo.
I also read about one that was basically a Sand Crawler (also from Star Wars...) but that was more of a specialty transport and they were using it to contain and transport tyranids...
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Post by: Rhah817
I think it's great that both armies may get combined together finally (and my suspicions are high after seeing the release of the "start collecting" sets), but I really hope they get a transport of some sort. As suggested above, even if it's a variant of the Rhino, I would be happy. I know that the series of books may not be looked upon favorably by everybody, but after reading Priests of Mars and Lords of Mars by Graham McNeill, I really want to put my Skitarii in some tricked out and upgraded Rhinos. Even if they don't release a specific Rhino kit and they just release some sort of "upgrade kit" with Mechanicus related iconography for the regular SM Rhino, I would be happy.
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Post by: RaptorHunter
Is this what the rumor is? I can not contain my excitement at the thought of a Mechanicus IA book. At least something that brings the 30k army into a 40kx lore-friendly way. I want nothing more than at least one transport that isn't a thrift-shop purchase from another codex. I feel it would change a lot of Vanguard or Electro-Priests could have a proper ride to get them around the battlefield.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
It's not an AdMech IA book. It is Tau vs Red Scorps with AdMech support.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 MrMoustaffa wrote: Davespil wrote: The Wise Dane wrote:Please. No more robots, no more fliers. Can't we get some tanks or normal infantry?
Why the hell would we want to make this army just like all of the rest? I want more giants robots, some of them to count as troops, one to be a HQ, and the ability to leave datasmiths behind. Just a bunch of giant robots and nothing else. Destroyers are cool and all, but the ability to take MCs as troops would be amazing. And one as a HQ would really set this army appart.
Any idea when the next IA is coming? Will there be another GW/ FW event in the near future?
Except, you know, that would be completely against the background. Machines that can think for themselves are heresy to the admech, heck, even the robots we have now that have to be babysat by the overseers are dangerously close to forbidden tech.
You want that kind of stuff, you'd need to get FW 30k. Or a traitor mechanicus list, that would work too.
Also, armies of MC are obnoxious enough with Tau and Eldar as is. The game would probably be better if there weren't even more added.
What admech needs is a transport of some kind, and maybe an actual tank of some sort with treads and a bigger gun to be a step up from the onager.
This. All-robot armies would be a farce, both in terms of rules and background.
As for what they could add - we will be getting a transport in the FW book, and the Triaros is pretty decent. What I want to see is the rest of the Mechanicus military - I know they had to do everything special snowflake-style for the initial release, so we get spiderwalkers and chickenwalkers etc, but contrary to what Davespil says I WOULD like to see the parts which are "just like all the rest". Except how, you know, they're pretty different.
The AdMech makes use of STC designs just like everyone else in the Imperium, they just keep all the best ones for themselves. Volkite-armed Leman Russ, All-plasma LR Executioners with no Gets Hot, open-topped Rhino variants with energy shielding and quad Heavy Bolters, tank companies equipped entirely with Heresy-era Land Raider variants, fortifications with Photon Thruster weapon emplacements, maybe even the Heresy-era Land Speeders and jetbikes, etc etc.
I get that folk want the faction to be unique, but for me I'd prefer if there were some ties to the rest of the Imperium, and as it stands I think there's only one weapon in both codices that's shared with any other Imperial army(Grav Cannons). There's so much background material for the AdMech that would allow the inclusion of familiar vehicles and weapons with enough of a twist to them to prevent the army from getting "samey", it would be a real shame if GW/ FW don't take advantage of it.
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Post by: Verviedi
They also share Lascannons and Autocannons. The Admech versions of those weapons are exactly the same as the Imperial one, with a better targetting array on the side.
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Post by: Imateria
MC's as troops for AdMech would not be a good idea. It only works in 30K because they're support units, so can't score (only troops are scoring units in 30K) and can't be taken as the compulsary troops choice either.
I agree on the tanks. Something like the Krios and Triarios in 40K would be excellent, and a Thallax equivelant as well. The only MC's from 30K that I really want to see get carried over are the Vorax and Thanatar.
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Post by: ThirstySpaceMan
 H.B.M.C. wrote:It's not an AdMech IA book. It is Tau vs Red Scorps with AdMech support.
yes my bad red scorps helping a forge world fight off Tau.
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Post by: Davespil
 Imateria wrote:MC's as troops for AdMech would not be a good idea. It only works in 30K because they're support units, so can't score (only troops are scoring units in 30K) and can't be taken as the compulsary troops choice either.
I agree on the tanks. Something like the Krios and Triarios in 40K would be excellent, and a Thallax equivelant as well. The only MC's from 30K that I really want to see get carried over are the Vorax and Thanatar.
Make them scoring and let them be compulsory. Problem solved. But the chance to field an army of nothing but giant robots would be amazing. Every other army has puny infantry and transports, but if I could just take MCs with my cult Mech army that would be unique. Sucks that in 30k I have to take 2 three man squads of thallax and a dominous with all my MCs.
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Post by: Imateria
Less like problem solved and more like problem created.
Also, Inar Satarael is an MC so you don't have to take a dominus (unless you really want to play loyalists).
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Post by: Davespil
Imateria wrote:Less like problem solved and more like problem created.
Also, Inar Satarael is an MC so you don't have to take a dominus (unless you really want to play loyalists).
Does he have a model? I don't care what I play as long as I can field a bunch of Thanatar, Vorax, and Castellax.
No one answered my question from before, is there another GW/ FW event coming up that the IA might be released at?
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Post by: Stormonu
I've always imagined AD as a mix of Barsoom Mars, Flash Gordan and a bit of Metropolis. Peppered with Giger-like images of his deadites.
I can't seen a robot being a commander, but I'd love to see a Ming-like Cyborg in their midst. Grav-skimmers/flyer crossbreeds raining lasered death on troops below would also seem to fit this image.
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Post by: Fayric
 Stormonu wrote:I've always imagined AD as a mix of Barsoom Mars, Flash Gordan and a bit of Metropolis. Peppered with Giger-like images of his deadites.
I can't seen a robot being a commander, but I'd love to see a Ming-like Cyborg in their midst. Grav-skimmers/flyer crossbreeds raining lasered death on troops below would also seem to fit this image.
Actually, Mechanicum flyers looking like Flash gordon space/rocket ships sounds great!
Both older classic ships and the larger "Ajax" from the 80es movie would make for awesome mechanicum flyers.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
I don't see why an army of nothing but robots on the tabletop needs to mean "proscribed self-aware machines! techno heresy!". The regular human(ish) forces are controlled from orbiting command ships, so why wouldn't these be?
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Post by: Imateria
 AndrewGPaul wrote:I don't see why an army of nothing but robots on the tabletop needs to mean "proscribed self-aware machines! techno heresy!". The regular human(ish) forces are controlled from orbiting command ships, so why wouldn't these be?
Realistically, no reason at all but since when has realism been applied to 30/ 40K for anything other than backing up fluff? Fluff wise they like to keep extremely close watch over their robots out of fear of another Man of Iron rebellion.
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Post by: Fayric
Imateria wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:I don't see why an army of nothing but robots on the tabletop needs to mean "proscribed self-aware machines! techno heresy!". The regular human(ish) forces are controlled from orbiting command ships, so why wouldn't these be?
Realistically, no reason at all but since when has realism been applied to 30/ 40K for anything other than backing up fluff? Fluff wise they like to keep extremely close watch over their robots out of fear of another Man of Iron rebellion.
If you are not human, you will, sooner or later, try to destroy humanity -Imperial Logic.
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
This combined codex may be closer than I thought. Got the Getting started skitarii boxes today, and on the little sheet where it says "hey you should buy x, y, and z!" They refer to all the units as "Adepticus Mechanicus" in it. Doesn't matter which codex they're in, they're named the same, even though they show both codexes in the leaflet. Very confusing if you were new and didn't know what belonged to which.
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Post by: the_Armyman
MrMoustaffa wrote:This combined codex may be closer than I thought. Got the Getting started skitarii boxes today, and on the little sheet where it says "hey you should buy x, y, and z!" They refer to all the units as "Adepticus Mechanicus" in it. Doesn't matter which codex they're in, they're named the same, even though they show both codexes in the leaflet. Very confusing if you were new and didn't know what belonged to which.
I just picked mine up at the FLGS today, too. I got a bit of a chuckle out of that little sheet. The kits they listed were Kastelans (most expensive), Electro-priests (worst selling), and the Ironstrider (worst points to cost ratio). Not a single troop choice for either codex, so you still wouldn't have a legal army. I also thought it supremely bizarre that the formation specifies Vanguard, but the picture on the boxfront has the Skitarii built as Rangers.
If I didn't know GW better, I'd think they were trying to be intentionally misleading. But the reality of it is that they really have no idea what they're doing
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Post by: Yodhrin
MrMoustaffa wrote:This combined codex may be closer than I thought. Got the Getting started skitarii boxes today, and on the little sheet where it says "hey you should buy x, y, and z!" They refer to all the units as "Adepticus Mechanicus" in it. Doesn't matter which codex they're in, they're named the same, even though they show both codexes in the leaflet. Very confusing if you were new and didn't know what belonged to which.
Sorry man, doesn't mean anything, both the minidexes have "Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus SKITARII/CULT MECHANICUS" on them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Nope, because quite likely?
It doesn't exist. BoLS has a habit of if not stretching the truth--outright lying to ensure that they get clicks.
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Post by: zedmeister
Stop listening to BoLS!
That's it, I'm tired of dodgy BoLS posts, grab 'em lads!
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Post by: DanteeChaos
Sorry, I'm new to this so I can't tell reliable sources from phoney ones.
What about the other stuff (combined codex, flyer, new robots)? I know this was posted before the BoLS article.
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Post by: Kanluwen
DanteeChaos wrote:Sorry, I'm new to this so I can't tell reliable sources from phoney ones.
What about the other stuff (combined codex, flyer, new robots)? I know this was posted before the BoLS article.
At this point? We don't know.
Atia(a rumormonger with an impeccable reputation" has said that there were bigger robots that didn't make the cut and that we'll probably see a combined book at some point--but BoLS likes to piggyback off reliable rumors and add in their own crap usually under the auspices of "anonymous sources". Hence the flyer/transport rumors.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I'd love it if the massive walkers from Rogue Trader got a kit. Yeah easy enough to kitbash (Destroid legs, plastic bowl for the platform) but wouldn't a kit be great?
I went looking for an image and found someone already did it.
http://papafakis.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/tada.html
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Post by: Ir0njack
Now that would be something nifty, a walker with a transport capacity. Or would it be a MC? GC? SH? I honestly dont know what that would qualify as.
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Post by: Nomeny
If only they had guns that they could use while walking.
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Post by: Red Corsair
 Ir0njack wrote:Now that would be something nifty, a walker with a transport capacity. Or would it be a MC? GC? SH? I honestly dont know what that would qualify as.
The Orks already have at least 4 walker transports. Gorkanaught, Morkanaught, Stompa and Sqiggoth.
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Post by: Ir0njack
Red Corsair wrote: Ir0njack wrote:Now that would be something nifty, a walker with a transport capacity. Or would it be a MC? GC? SH? I honestly dont know what that would qualify as.
The Orks already have at least 4 walker transports. Gorkanaught, Morkanaught, Stompa and Sqiggoth.
Welp goes to show how often often I play against Ork walkers I guess. It would be the first Imperial though heh.
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Post by: timd
I'm glad at least one person built one of those. Always wanted to build one, even have the right kits, but never managed to do it. Would have to invent a background desert planet and a game to go with it.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
timd wrote:I'm glad at least one person built one of those. Always wanted to build one, even have the right kits, but never managed to do it. Would have to invent a background desert planet and a game to go with it.
It could make for a neat 'counts as' Chimera or even Stormlord depending on size.
Or my new catchall justification 'it's terrain!'
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