The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Hero Combat System:
Each Hero player in the game receives their own custom set of dice and Special Move cards uniquely matched to their character's fighting style.
While it's fun to have your own unique dice and moves, what really sets this game apart is the shared dice mechanic once combat begins.
Each round, every Hero player simultaneously rolls their dice then lays them out in front of their play area, strategically positioning their dice from left to right in order to lend help to their fellow players.
This means that on the active player's turn, they'll have access to their own dice and their teammates' closest dice on each side of their character. This innovative system helps save players from useless rolls and thematically expresses how closely knit the team is. The only way to defeat the Foot Clan is to truly fight as one. It's the ultimate co-operative system.
That's odd. IIRC WizKids previewed their TMNT clix game last summer at Gencon. After all these years of nothing, there will be two competing turtle minis game lines? Conan in 2015 and TMNT in 2016...
Oh look, another established IP at ye old Beggar's Post. I guess having a Saturday morning cartoon, an aisle full of toys at Walmart, and a couple of multi-million dollar films under you belt in recent years doesn't leave much extra to fund your own miniatures game!
Eiríkr wrote:Nice.
Guess I know where my money's going now, especially since TWD KS was such a let down.
Zwan1One wrote:More interesting than TWD kickstarter. And cool sounding team dice cooperation. But there's better ninja turtle sculpts out there already...
Really?
I feel this is even worse value than the TWD KS. It's a lot cheaper I suppose and perhaps the actual game is better (I haven't educated myself on either).
I get a weird vibe from this one. Like the Ghostbusters one. Something about it seems off. As much as I loved TMHT when I was a kid, this doesn't even tempt me.
There isn't much info on game play yet, but we know it comes with a minimum of 34 figures at the cheap level, which is more than Mantic's game currently offers, and at a better price. It looks like at least 10 of the tokens (5 thug gunners and 5 brawlers) will end up as figures if stretch goals are met.
CptJake wrote: There isn't much info on game play yet, but we know it comes with a minimum of 34 figures at the cheap level, which is more than Mantic's game currently offers, and at a better price. It looks like at least 10 of the tokens (5 thug gunners and 5 brawlers) will end up as figures if stretch goals are met.
Does model count really matter? We all have plenty of models I'm sure.. These seem like fairly low quality models. After all, if price per model is what mattered the most then people would use army men as IG
CptJake wrote: There isn't much info on game play yet, but we know it comes with a minimum of 34 figures at the cheap level, which is more than Mantic's game currently offers, and at a better price. It looks like at least 10 of the tokens (5 thug gunners and 5 brawlers) will end up as figures if stretch goals are met.
Does model count really matter? We all have plenty of models I'm sure.. These seem like fairly low quality models. After all, if price per model is what mattered the most then people would use army men as IG
And yet, EVERY Mantic and similar KS you see folks looking at number of figures and cost per as a way of determining value and comparing with other projects. You don't have to like it, but to think that does not and is not happening would be silly.
Jehan-reznor wrote: I like that they use the original versions of the turtles.
Look closer, you only get the original versions if you pledge the higher levels. Regular backers get the version of the turtles from the newest movie, with the egg shaped heads and weird lips.
Besides the Eastman retro figures these are based on the Nickelodeon cartoon, right?
I agree with others, this tugs slightly at my nostalgia strings, bu not enough to pledge. If they have some of the early 90's characters/designs unlocked later I could maybe get excited, but who da hell is Alopex and Karai? Where is Baxter Stockman and Krang? Beebop? Rocksteady?
If they are banking on nostalgic 80's and 90's kids backing this then give us something to be excited about!
Nostromodamus wrote: I get a weird vibe from this one. Like the Ghostbusters one. Something about it seems off. As much as I loved TMHT when I was a kid, this doesn't even tempt me.
Likewise. The exact same game came to mind, and with Ghostbusters in the wild, and apparently a horrible mess of a game, it makes me less likely to buy on nostalgia alone here.
Ahtman wrote: It is always nice to see small, unknown IPs get some exposure thanks to KS. Now finally people will know who the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are.
QFT.
I mean, the pizza box is nice design, but it's need to be something pretty epic for me to be willing to throw cash at a major IP via kickstarter, since they directly compete with people actually trying to get out there.
AVP almost got me, glad they didn't, and TNMT sure as hell isn't.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Besides the Eastman retro figures these are based on the Nickelodeon cartoon, right?
I agree with others, this tugs slightly at my nostalgia strings, bu not enough to pledge. If they have some of the early 90's characters/designs unlocked later I could maybe get excited, but who da hell is Alopex and Karai? Where is Baxter Stockman and Krang? Beebop? Rocksteady?
If they are banking on nostalgic 80's and 90's kids backing this then give us something to be excited about!
Does April look like a teen to you?
Karai is a OG from the Mirage comic she takes over the Foot after Shredder is killed.
Alopex on the other hand is from IDW so no older the 2011.
As for Stockman I wonder if the go with the Mirage version or the cartoon version.
That's pretty much it. Eastman is working closely with the project (the box, for one thing), while Skybox and Kirkland, afaik, aren't. As the KS home page says, "Designed by the legendary Kevin Wilson (Descent, Arkham Horror) with input from Kevin Eastman and IDW's entire TMNT creative team." The game is based on the IDW reboot of the TMNT franchise. Again, as the KS home page says, "The game is based off of IDW's ongoing comic book universe and features missions taken straight from some of the series' biggest moments." Suggestion: Read the KS home page.
IDW has two TMNT hardback collections backers have recommended. Someone post the links because my connection is
Holy crap. This is the first (and possibly only) kickstarter I will ever invest into. TNMT were the first thing I was ever really in to as a child, so my nostalgia just got hit really hard when I saw this.
Sorta makes sense. A one-joke parody that turns out to take over your entire life is either an opportunity (Eastman) or burden (Laird).
Laird: ...Ask me how many other comic books I've drawn?
CBR: Okay, how many other comic books have you drawn?
Laird: Zero!
CBR: All right, how many book covers and album jackets have you done?
Laird: Zero! Zero! It's all been Turtles!
Ahtman wrote: It is always nice to see small, unknown IPs get some exposure thanks to KS. Now finally people will know who the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are.
Y'know I remember that comic, it was one of those 80 B&W books like Cerebus. Nice to see it getting some exposure.
I can see why that had to go to KS though, I mean how would kids today even know about them?
Zwan1One wrote: More interesting than TWD kickstarter. And cool sounding team dice cooperation. But there's better ninja turtle sculpts out there already...
Ahtman wrote: It is always nice to see small, unknown IPs get some exposure thanks to KS. Now finally people will know who the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are.
Y'know I remember that comic, it was one of those 80 B&W books like Cerebus. Nice to see it getting some exposure.
I can see why that had to go to KS though, I mean how would kids today even know about them?
Zwan1One wrote: More interesting than TWD kickstarter. And cool sounding team dice cooperation. But there's better ninja turtle sculpts out there already...
I can't care less what or who everyone thinks kickstarter should be for.
The TMNT basically defined most of my childhood and adolescence. From the cartoon to the Palladium RPB, action figures to video games. There is no way I'm NOT backing this.
cincydooley wrote: But don't you get it? It's way too big a property. They aren't allowed to crowd fund!
Yep. Everyone knows about the IDW reboot of the TMNT. AMIRIGHT???
This isn't the original Mirage comics or the 1987 TMNT cartoon series or the 2003 TMNT cartoon series or TMNT movie or (or the Japanese TMNT series) any more than the TWD boardgame is the television series.
Alopex and Old Hob are IDW characters, not Mirage.
Not really seeing an issue about the crowdfunding angle.
The property holders are happy enough to leave it as is, ie live in a world without this product.
Seems like someone from IDW or elsewhere said something like "Wouldn't it be great if we could make board/skirmish game with the turtles and their baddies?" but needed to get extra licenses and raise the money.
Yes, turtles are massive and most people know of them, but the impetus for this project seems to be coming from another source other than the IP holders.
Like when Prodos did it with their unlucky/poorly planned AVP.
Without the crowdfunding platform it is quite probable this project would not get off the ground or, or if it did would have been much more limited (no option for thug models, only the punch disks etc)
Zwan1One wrote: More interesting than TWD kickstarter. And cool sounding team dice cooperation. But there's better ninja turtle sculpts out there already...
Zwan1One wrote: More interesting than TWD kickstarter. And cool sounding team dice cooperation. But there's better ninja turtle sculpts out there already...
It's a funny thing; after that GOD-AWFUL Bay movie (which I did not want to watch but ended up seeing due to circumstances), I felt as if my affection for the Turtles had been extinguished. The CG cartoon didn't even interest me after that.
Somehow though, when I saw this I got extremely excited. I'm backing. I have a number of friends who aren't into miniatures games, but can be persuaded to play board games, so I think (hope) this will be great to play with them; the "brand-recognition" will hopefully help me to pull them in.
This is being produced by the same people who did the Ghostbusters game right?
I had seen some pictures of the final pieces for those and was underwhelmed. I sent a message asking if they could do collectors versions of the miniatures. No response yet.
I watched the newest TMNT with my kids. My expectations were low but they were excited about it so I gave it a shot on Netflix. There was a lot I just didn't like but there were some funny moments. I think, really outside of character designs, my main problem was the villain setup/story changes.
I'll watch the sequel. I don't expect it to be amazing but I do think it'll be amusing.
MLaw wrote: This is being produced by the same people who did the Ghostbusters game right?
I had seen some pictures of the final pieces for those and was underwhelmed. I sent a message asking if they could do collectors versions of the miniatures. No response yet.
No. The TMNT game is being published by IDW. The Ghostbusters game was by Cryptozoic.
MLaw wrote: I watched the newest TMNT with my kids. My expectations were low but they were excited about it so I gave it a shot on Netflix. There was a lot I just didn't like but there were some funny moments. I think, really outside of character designs, my main problem was the villain setup/story changes.
I'll watch the sequel. I don't expect it to be amazing but I do think it'll be amusing.
I was slightly surprised by the Michael Bay TMNT movie. I didn't hate it, which was surprising. Other than that, my expectations were so low going into it that it provided an entertaining enough two hours. Certainly glad I didn't pay to see it in the movie theatre. I would have been peeved to waste my money that way.
Cryptozoic KS'ed Ghostbusters, IDW Games (related to IDW Comics) is KS'ing TMNT.
AFIAK, IDW Games hasn't released a miniatures game before, but the game designer, Kevin Wilson, has a long history of game design, such as Descent and other FFG Games.
Only thing close to collector's versions are the alternative sculpts for some of the "exclusive" figures. I know Splinter will be released in retail "years" later, so you have to read the fine print to know what is and what will not be available for retail later.
Note that this game is based on the IDW Comics TMNT series. There's obviously overlap with the various cartoon series and Mirage comics, but IDW Comics has some new characters and other changes.
Ketara wrote: You're kidding, right? What's next, the Biker Mice from Mars KS?
I would sell a kidney for Biker Mice in 28mm...
I would be equally excited by SWAT Kats, Street Sharks, Battletoads, Bucky O'Hare, and honestly even Darkwing Duck.
The 80s and 90s were so full of properties that could be tapped for this type of thing and they were already designed around miniatures of a sort so there's not much brainwork involved.
Dino-Riders
Inhumanoids
Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors
Centurions
Silver Hawks
Visionaries
I dunno.. I see Kickstarters like this and Ghostbusters and I like to think some of that other stuff might get revived. Does it need to be? Eh, probably not but who cares.. they were created for fun and to capture imaginations in the first place..
I would hope at the very least the really big names like GI Joe, Thundercats, and He-Man will pop up in this format.
Wargamesfactory has a new multipart plastic modern soldier sprue coming out at salute this year. It's part of their zombie game, but they would make an excellent base model for GIJoe grunts and or Cobra troopers.
Edit: also Spiral Zone big wheel thing would be kick butt too.
Alpharius wrote: If we're only in at the $90 level, will be have access in a post-KSPM to purchase Splinter, Mousers, Bebop, etc?
Anyone know for sure?
I don't think they will have them as add ons in the pledge manager, since they ar sticking to the no add ons. I do recall seeing they would allow you to upgrade your pledge to the level that gets them though.
No, the pledge manager will be used for adding extra copys of the game post KS. If you want Splinter without pledging the works eBay or waiting for the retail hero pack is the other option.
From the faq,
"There will be a brief period for you to upgrade or add copies to your pledge through our pledge manager."
Automatically Appended Next Post: The KS has really started picking up steam after a slump. Starting to get really excited.
Can't help but feel that if they're doing the original turtles in the original Eastman & Laird style, traditional, physical sculpting might have fitted better. And for the IDW versions too, TBH. Looks like they Zbrushed the soul right out of them.
CURNOW wrote:April o'neal looks abit "gunty"
I don't know what that means, but I agree.
Nostromodamus wrote:No, that comes after the Bucky O'Hare
It's not a completely unfair assessment though. While her face and neck look normal-to-thin, her lower midsection looks oddly inflated comparable to the rest of the figure.
I so want there to be an option to just get some of the mini's. On a budget based hiatus and whilst there's a lot of stuff in the high value pledges I just can't justify it.
It looks like a decent number of figs for interested backers but I think I like the previewed Heroclix TMNT stuff more and will wait for that instead. It would be a gaks and giggle lark purchase for me that will just sit on the painting desk so no point in spending more than necessary.
We're all done, the KS ended with $862,211. With a goal of a quarter of a million I'd call this campaign a huge success! So all there is to do now is wait for the deadline of July. TURTLE POWER!
Bonegrinder wrote: Think I read your comment on KS, sorry to hear that, stupid real life always getting in the way of our fun.
Couldn't be me. I don't post anything there.
Any chance they'll do after KS backer options like some groups do? Not a pledge manager, but being able to get in after the KS closes but before they start production?
For those that missed out on paying for the Eastman/Laird version of the boys; Heroclix is doing a set soon. I will be repainting these rather than spending too much for a game I don't want just to get 4 minis.
Bonegrinder wrote: Think I read your comment on KS, sorry to hear that, stupid real life always getting in the way of our fun.
Couldn't be me. I don't post anything there.
Any chance they'll do after KS backer options like some groups do? Not a pledge manager, but being able to get in after the KS closes but before they start production?
Ah, someone was having the same problem as you thats all. I haven't heard anything of a late pledges yet, If they do give the option ill be sure to post it here.
Doomsdave wrote: For those that missed out on paying for the Eastman/Laird version of the boys; Heroclix is doing a set soon. I will be repainting these rather than spending too much for a game I don't want just to get 4 minis.
I've generally been very unhappy with the quality of Heroclix miniatures, the exceptions being some of the Haloclix line (which were at least sharp enough to be worth repainting). When some of the new X-Men came out I was impressed and looking to pick up some figures, until I realised the images I'd been seeing were renders and the actual models (in the rare instance I could find a real photo rather than render) were AMAZINGLY lower in quality. I guess the Turtles themselves at least don't need to be too detailed, so quality probably won't be a huge issue, but even so, have you seen any actual photos of the figs?
Google the Mouser Mayhem clix set that's going to be a starter. It looks like ALL the old stuff. Plus those starter clix sets that tend to also be standalone boardgames typically have very nice details compared to the blind boxes.. which often look like they were QC'd by a blind person :/
MLaw wrote: Google the Mouser Mayhem clix set that's going to be a starter. It looks like ALL the old stuff. Plus those starter clix sets that tend to also be standalone boardgames typically have very nice details compared to the blind boxes.. which often look like they were QC'd by a blind person :/
Yeah, that set looks awesome! Elongated Foot Soldier heads are a go!
warboss wrote: And there are huge differences between their 3D pics and what you actually tend to get.
This is VERY true BUT.. like I said, that's from the pre-boxed set. If you look at the ones they did for Batman and I want to say Spider-Man, the ones from the starter/board games are extremely close to the 3d renders vs the blind booster figs which look like soft melted crap.
It looks like the Wizkids TMNT competitor will have multiple versions of each various characters from various eras/versions. In the link below, they've got the more traditional orginal Donatello and a separate IDW version as well.
And... on a more depressing note, the TMNT are now the Middle Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles as the property is over 30 years old. I've always known that subconsciously since I played with them as a kid but man does seeing that in print make me feel old. Pretty soon they'll have to cut back on the pizza because of their cholesterol, dude!
Well depends on if you go by human years. Galapagos turtles live well into 100 years old in the wild and one in captivity lived to be at least 170 years old. If they have their turtle genes then being 30 human years old could be just like being a 15 year old human, so no worries about your Pizza Hut stock just yet . Plus who knows if the ooze extended their lifespan. I'm sure if their are alien races out in deep space that eventually we will meet them and at least one culture will base itself off of the TMNT franchise like the space nazi from star trek original series. Let's just hope that the Vanilla Ice parts of the movie and music video get too degraded before they reach that civilization.
It appears that all the various turtle incarnations can get along! Current cartoon, 80's cartoon, and orginal comic versions coexisting peacefully kicking butt and eating pizza! I also like the nod to Transdimensional TMNT title nod... my favorite RPG book from the old Palladium line.
Theophony wrote: Well depends on if you go by human years. Galapagos turtles live well into 100 years old in the wild and one in captivity lived to be at least 170 years old.
If they're more like the turtles that suffered in the pet trade after the 1980s/90s cartoon debuted, being 30 could be like being 60.
I've seen a recent comics debate about rebooting characters and universes (is DC due another crisis yet?) so that Superman's too young to have fought in WWII, the Punisher's a veteran of the Gulf War not the the Vietnam War, Frank Miller has a miniature mid-life crisis and writes The Dark Knight Returns, etc. etc. What I gather is that I might be the only one who doesn't really care. Same with the turtles - my era was the first cartoon, and they've had plenty of reboots and reimaginings since that one, but they're icons, not real people. It doesn't really matter if they age along with us, or not. We just have go with the floow, dewds.
I like the designs of the clix minis more, original and Nickelodeon, compared to the boardgame originals and IDW. Originals because, while the muscles are overinflated, they look more organic than the boardgame's 'lines scored in a loaf of bread' look. Also because the face on the clix turtles look more like the art on the IDW box! (Even if they're truer to the very first issue, way back then)
Newer turtles... the Nick turtles look younger - which is fine, they're teenagers - but not quite so young as the IDW turtles. Something about the round, almost bulbous heads makes them look like Toddler Mutant Ninja Turtles, in my eyes. I like the Nick style more, too. I can definitely see me picking up sets of the clix, over the boardgame.
warboss wrote: It appears that all the various turtle incarnations can get along! Current cartoon, 80's cartoon, and orginal comic versions coexisting peacefully kicking butt and eating pizza! I also like the nod to Transdimensional TMNT title nod... my favorite RPG book from the old Palladium line.
Cool, thanks. I wasn't aware of that; I haven't watched the cartoon since the early nineties so missed pretty much everything in between.
Yeah, there was a whole other series. It was IMO closer to the original 80's stuff than the newer one... a little less campy and a little more sci-fi though.
Some added images from the recent Toy Fair and press releases with Bebop and Rocksteady for the clix version of the game. Unless folks object, I'll keep posting them here as I really don't think the news and rumors section needed two separate TMNT minis game threads.
warboss wrote: Some added images from the recent Toy Fair and press releases with Bebop and Rocksteady for the clix version of the game. Unless folks object, I'll keep posting them here as I really don't think the news and rumors section needed two separate TMNT minis game threads.
I think we actually do need two separate threads, as this one is about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle boardgame KS.
warboss wrote: Some added images from the recent Toy Fair and press releases with Bebop and Rocksteady for the clix version of the game. Unless folks object, I'll keep posting them here as I really don't think the news and rumors section needed two separate TMNT minis game threads.
I think we actually do need two separate threads, as this one is about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle boardgame KS.
If you're volunteering - thanks!
No worries. If folks want clix info on the game, it looks like BOLS is sort of covering it occasionally so I'll leave them out of this thread.
The miniatures are actually larger than I expected; I'm at work right now, when I get home I'll compare them to standard minis, but right now I'd say they are probably around 40mm scale (at least the larger ones like the Elites and the Shredder). Makes sense as far as a board-games goes, that you want the "more important" pieces to be bigger. Funnily enough the Turtles themselves are some of the smallest minis in the box - or at least they look small next to some of the larger models, I think they are probably a decent "adult human" size when compared to standard 30-35mm minis. I'll try to post some more useful photos this evening.
Automatically Appended Next Post: OK, first off some good guys:
I think that the turtles would look al-right next to normal 35mm models (such as the Batman model), but the human figures are a bit too big. April is probably a full head taller than Batman (it would be more obvious if she was on a base of the same height), and Casey is even bigger.
And some bad guys:
The regular Foot ninja would work al-right at 30-35mm scales. The classic Shredder looks fine at 35mm - he might look a bit short next to Batman due to his pose and thin base, but the scale is comparable. The elite Foot ninja is insanely huge! He's probably around three feet taller than the regular dude, relatively speaking. Thanks to his pose he actually stands a touch taller than the Super Shredder, but they are both massive models. The thing is, if you assume that they are supposed to be huge (like if you assume that's the mutated Shredder from the end of the second TMNT live-action movie), then they work fine at 35mm.
Overall some of the humans (April, Casey, human Bebop and Rocksteady) look a bit too big when compared to some of the other models like the Turtles themselves, but other than that the models look pretty good. For board game pieces they are fine, and if you want to paint them up I think they will look good with a bit of care. There are some bent weapons; it might have been better if they had been cast a bit thicker or something, so you might need to work on those a bit if you want to give them a nice paint job. The bases seem to be just under 30mm in diameter, FWIW.
So I'm planning to paint up some of the main characters, and I'm contemplating bases. Right now I'm thinking of bricks for the good guys (to suggest sewers), and maybe wooden planks for the Foot clan to suggest a dojo. It helps that these are both textures that are in my comfort zone, but I'm open to suggestions if anyone can think of anything cooler? Also not sure what to do for Bebop and Rocksteady, any ideas?
