If you could choose two armies to clash in a two player box set what would they be? I would like to see chaos demons and gray knights.

Thousand Sons and Space Wolves

Or

Orks and Steel Legion

Or

Emperors Children and Iron Hands

Or

Dark Eldar and Tau

Sisters of Battle vs. Squats

What?

Okay, okay... Mechanius vs. Necrons or Orcs vs. Tau.

Any army that is not Space Marines vs any other Army that is not Space Marines (or any variants thereof). But we all know that won't happen since one of the armies has to be Marines.

Eldar vs Orks?

I'll second vote the above:
Dark Eldar vs Tau
Grey Knights vs Daemons (as long as they are NOT Khorne Daemons, we have had enough of those, let's hear from the other 3 chaos gods please)

Guard vs. Tyranids.

Guard vs. Orks

LatD vs LotD

I would love to see something a little off the wall like;

Eldar and Tyranids

Tau and Orks

Sisters and Dark Eldar

tau vs eldar

Not having Space Marines is pretty much not going to happen. When was the last time there was a boxed set/Starter without Space Marines?

I would love to see Blood Angels vs. Khorne Daemonkin. Chaos Daemons are supposed to be converging on Baal at the same time as Hive Fleet Leviathan. But I am more thinking we will be seeing Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons.

Vanilla Marines vs. Chaos Space Marines.

Black Templars versus Orks.

Space Wolves vs. Thousand Sons

Dark mechanicum vs sisters (don't happen)

Well orks v space marines was just released btu it is just some of the AOBR models..

I would prefer 2 see a IG v a xenos race or a sisters of battle v xenos. but as stated that is unlikely to occur.

Ideally though Sisters V chaos would be a fun set and sell a lot of models, co release this with plastic sisters of battle and codex update.

Tyranids vs GSC. Now that we are only allies of convince now, why not.

Skitaari versus Eldar Exodites

 kronk wrote:
Black Templars versus Orks.

Meh, we have had Orks recently too. Black Templars (with "exclusive" plastic Emperor's Champion model) would be welcome. Especially if it came with some new rules for a BT "Gladius" and unique relics. But their upgrade kit isn't 100% compatible with the newer SM kits, so it is less likely. But it could give them an excuse to remake the upgrade kit for Black Templars.

Snakebite Orks Vs Inquisition + relictors

Never going to happen but one can hope ; )

Dark Eldar vs Blood Angels?

I'm going by memory but I don't think either of these two have the super detachment thing going on.

Won't happen though since Baal is under threat from Nids/Chaos.

Cadians and Chaos Marines.

Bring back my Kasrkin, GW!

Harlequins vs Daemons
Dark Eldar vs IG

Sisters of Battle versus something...Slaanesh?

Grey Knights vs KDK

 Frozocrone wrote:
Dark Eldar vs Blood Angels?

I'm going by memory but I don't think either of these two have the super detachment thing going on.

Won't happen though since Baal is under threat from Nids/Chaos.

I would buy the GAK out of that, but it probably won't happen. Chaos doesn't have a Super Formation beyond Khorne Daemonkin either. Are DEldar even actively causing trouble for anyone right now?

Here's a random idea...sell three starting army boxes. I know this complicates things a little bit...but would be brilliant for sales.

Imperial Guard vs. Tyranids

Chaos vs. Tau

Eldar vs. Space Marines

etc. Why not offer a little bit of option --- and seasoned players will scoop them up by the ton to bulk out existing armies.

With stuff like the Start Collecting boxed sets and the separated boxed sets from War Zone: Damocles, I think the idea of a paired starter set is pretty well dead. They just need to put Start Collecting boxed sets out for all of the armies. I would still like to see sets like Shadow Force Solaq and whatever the Tau box was, though.

Grief wrote:
Sisters of Battle versus something...Slaanesh?

That veers dangerously close to Rule 34 Ultraheresy.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
Well orks v space marines was just released btu it is just some of the AOBR models..

I thought that Vedros thing was going to be closer to Christmas?

Box set I would buy:

Sisters vs Tyranids - Artwork, Characters and fluff from the Shield of Baal Campaign - all there and ready to go

Commissar Cain and the 597th Valhallen Regiment versus either Orks or Tyranids

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters vs Tyranids - Artwork, Characters and fluff from the Shield of Baal Campaign - all there and ready to go

This.

Or really, I kind of don't like dual-army boxes; I like the start collecting boxes, I really just want to see more of those, and ways to quickly play battles between them, so new players can just pick an army they like, pick one of the start collecting boxes (if there's a choice) and play against someone else who has done the same.

A squad of plastic Sisters with an Exorcist, a squad of Militarum Tempestas and an Inquisitor character vs Khorne Daemonkin. An Aspiring Champion like Vrosh Tattersoul, a Herald of Khorne, Bloodletters, new mould Berserkers and some middling vehicle of some kind.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
A squad of plastic Sisters with an Exorcist, a squad of Militarum Tempestas and an Inquisitor character vs Khorne Daemonkin. An Aspiring Champion like Vrosh Tattersoul, a Herald of Khorne, Bloodletters, new mould Berserkers and some middling vehicle of some kind.

Nah, not Khorne there's too much focus on him as is. Tzeentch or Slaanesh maybe?

The new GW "meta" is gravitating around titans, so no wonder if we see WraithVSImperial knights or some related monstrosity box, like the Renegade set...

Honestly I would like to see Guard and Lost and the Damned or random cultists box.

In addition to my earlier post, I'd like to see elder vs slanesh demons.

Harlequins VS Thousand Sons
(New HQ) (Ahriman)

I play Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Chaos Daemons (Slaanesh), Imperial Guard, and Space Marines (Salamanders). I'd LOVE to see a box set of any combination of those factions.

 Haravikk wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters vs Tyranids - Artwork, Characters and fluff from the Shield of Baal Campaign - all there and ready to go

This.

Or really, I kind of don't like dual-army boxes; I like the start collecting boxes, I really just want to see more of those, and ways to quickly play battles between them, so new players can just pick an army they like, pick one of the start collecting boxes (if there's a choice) and play against someone else who has done the same.

I agree with this. It's better to have a mono-force since a lot of the hesitation on buying a Starter set is either justifying buying the contents of the box, or trying to find someone to split it with.

Orks Vs Chaos Space Marines, but the catch is that BOTH factions get a brand New Codex at the same time as this release.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Grey Knights vs KDK

Hell yes!

Genestealer Cult vs Adeptus Arbites.
Hope they expand the GC range and Arbites are ace.

Orks vs Guard. If your going to make a starter box you might as well introduce new players to a blood bath and encourage new players to buy 3+ boxes to fill their infantry ranks.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/05/bols-unboxing-battle-of-vedros-40ks-new-starter.html

Is this a new starter? Space Marines vs Orks?

I'd like to see an Inquisitor who requisitioned a small task force, stomping out a fledgling cult of Slaneeshi worshippers.

- Imperium characters: Ordo Maellus Inquisitor, SM Librarian, Tempestor Prime, Canoness
- Imperium Troops: 15x Tempestus Scions, 5x Repentia, 5x Seraphim

- Chaos characters: Sorcerer, Herald of Slaneesh, Warpsmith (with some cool custom firepower), Cultist Champ
- Chaos Troops: 3x Mutilators, 10x Daemonettes, 25x Cultists

I really like the Inquistion side of 40k, I find it's a lot more engaging than the PA/Bolter/Chainsword stuff.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I play Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Chaos Daemons (Slaanesh), Imperial Guard, and Space Marines (Salamanders). I'd LOVE to see a box set of any combination of those factions.

An intentional "Allies of Convenience" set would be interesting. Min-maxing outside the fluff is one thing, but I think diverse armies are great. Why not Guard, a handful of Salamander Terminators, and a squad of Harlequins facing off against Slaneesh Daemons? You could even have some cool custom rules for multi-faction armies like this.

 Draco wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/05/bols-unboxing-battle-of-vedros-40ks-new-starter.html

Is this a new starter? Space Marines vs Orks?

It is a starter of sorts but it seems to be more along the lines of "baby's first 40k" than a replacement for Dark Vengeance. It supposedly has very simplified rules.

SoB vs Necrons (Sanctuary 101 or its aftermath years later)

Inquisition vs Dark Apostle, Cultists + Spawn (Or Renegade Guard)
That would probably be better suited as a board game though.

That's all I can really think of that'd I'd want, unless GW does a IW vs IF 30K 'dual' army board game.

It won't be DA or Chaos in a starter since they've just had their turn and one has to be marines of some flavour because them's the rules.

We need an "evil" faction to fight the marines, so we have basically anyone but eldar or maybe tau (since otherwise the marines might not seem like the good guys) or chaos (since as mentioned, they've just had their turn).

I'd suggest KDK would be very similar to the AoS starter, and be yet more chaos, so somewhat unlikely. DE probably aren't sufficiently child friendly in either the lore or the painting skills required. Orks have already been in 2 starter boxes, and they're in the AoBR reboot. That could mean that they're the favoured starter or it could mean that they're already overdone. Nids were in the battle for macragge, but could make a reappearance, especially if they did BA vs nids in a baal replay and both codecies need some love )which is a tendancy for the new dexes to come out near the release of the starter set. Necrons would make for a good choice, being easily identified as "evil", easy to paint and haven't been in a starter set yet IIRC.

For the marines, GK would match up with KDK well, but again, might be too similar to AoS with the metallic sigmarine favoured ones fighting off khorne mortal and daemon followers. BA could go with Crons or Nids and not be out of place and could well see a new dex released for them around the same time. SW just got WZ:Fenris pt 1 and aren't far off getting pt 2, so you'd imagine that it won't be them. DA have just had their time in the sun, so probably not them and then there's C:SM. Probably won't be ravenguard, iron hands or templars since black is a bit bland for a starter set meant to get the attention of newbies. IF is possible, but nobody likes painting yellow. Ultras and crimson fists have been done, but a return isn't out of the question. Salamanders would fit the bill nicely, except for the fact that they're black and some people will undoubtedly take offense and turn it into a big deal. If they did do sallies, probably couldn't have them against orks due to too much green. That leaves WS, but painting white isn't for newbies.

As for me, if I was wishlisting, my picks would be the following, in decending order of preferance:

SoB vs Necrons - The Faithful vs the Soul-less
Salamanders vs DE - The one force for good against the darkest depravity
Guard vs Nids - Hoarde vs Hoarde in a classic battle that looks great the the tabletop

Given the current state of the tabletop, only the Sallies vs DE would be likely since the good guys are meant to win.

Imperial Guard vs Chaos Marines
CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!

 DalinCriid wrote:
The new GW "meta" is gravitating around titans, so no wonder if we see WraithVSImperial knights or some related monstrosity box, like the Renegade set...

Honestly I would like to see Guard and Lost and the Damned or random cultists box.

doubt we'd see a Knight in a starter kit box. that'd eaither be a "stupid good deal" or "too expensive"

IMHO the start collecting boxes are definatly the way forward. toss in a paperback rulebook into said boxes and they'd be PERFECT

 master of ordinance wrote:
Imperial Guard vs Chaos Marines
CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!

I'd pay to see that fight






And I'm a Guard player

Iron Warriors vs Imperial Fists, 30k style.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Guard vs. Orks

Ditto.

 Vankraken wrote:
Orks vs Guard. If your going to make a starter box you might as well introduce new players to a blood bath and encourage new players to buy 3+ boxes to fill their infantry ranks.

As cool as this idea is, I think it needs to be turned up to 11.....


The guardsmen need to be a completely redone Steel Legion or Vostroyan (I would love it if they came out with a plastic box similar to Skitarii, where my head options mean I'm building redcoats, or gasmasked dudes from Armageddon, and would buy the gak out of it)


The fear that I would have with them doing Orks in a 40k starter set these days, is that they'd want the fluff to make them go more the route of the newly redesigned AoS Orcs. While it may be cool, it may also just be fething weird.

I think we all know power armor is a must. Battle sisters would be the ace underdog vote from me. Or flesh out a Deathwatch army and use that to add crazy xenos type. Perhaps hrud? I mean if I 'm gonna dream may as well dream big.

Eldar and Necrons. It makes sense lore wise, and I think they deserve a boxed set.

Harlequins vs Thousand Sons.

Salamanders vs? I would like to see the Salamanders get some boxed set love!

GK vs Daemons

Any two armies that aren't space marines. ANY. TWO.

the_scotsman wrote:
Any two armies that aren't space marines. ANY. TWO.

^^ This

I like the OP idea of Grey Knights and Daemons, would be an epic opportunity to redo some of the Greater daemon kits and add some new faces to the GK army

Otherwise, I would LOVE to see something with Sisters of battle in it...

Maybe Sisters Vs Dark Eldar... Inspired by this fantastic piece of art I found on Google a ways back !

Nids vs imp guard with a wall of mayter piece and a bunker anex

I can see them bundling a book w/ templates and two "start collecting" boxes.

Grey Knights vs Daemons, with a new unit and formation/special rules for both.

SJ

I'd like to start collecting wolves, so selfishly a Wolves/Thousand Sons would be great.

Otherwise GK/Daemons or Ultramarines/Tyranids.

Eldar vs Slaaneshi daemons in a board game that revolves around collecting soul stones and nomming souls.

Well, there has been assassination force, so GW has shown the good guys don't have to be in power armor if the concept is cool enough.

I'd like to see a re-envisioned Space Crusade or better yet a board game with Guard vs. Nids or Orcs. Done up as a sort of Dead of Winter game where the Guard hold a fortress or Hive City, trying to hold off the unrelenting waves of 'Nid or Orc attacks. Throw in a possible Chaos traitor/turncoat and I think you could have a game that folks wouldn't automatically toss out for the minis, and might actually play...

the_scotsman wrote:
Any two armies that aren't space marines. ANY. TWO.

Basically, almost without question, never going to happen. It would be throwing money away.

If they updated both codexes and model lines a CSM vs. Sisters of Battle would break sales records.

Necrons vs Mechanicus

Hive fleet Naga vs. Hive fleet Gorgon.

Tyranids vs. 3 Allied Detachments of Imperials

In conjunction with the DoW 3 release: Blood Ravens v Eldar. Set includes an Imperial Knight and a Wraithknight.

 EnTyme wrote:
In conjunction with the DoW 3 release: Blood Ravens v Eldar. Set includes an Imperial Knight and a Wraithknight.

but in true, old school starter box style, the WK and the IK must come in 2 snap together pieces

Something away from the loyal SM main stream: Orks + DE, Eldar + Tau, or CSM + Nids.

How about one of the standard armies, only with a theme? Something like Sisters v. Kroot Mercenaries (CC themed tau army)?

Sisters of Battle vs Slaaneshi Daemons....

I wanna collect both

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
In conjunction with the DoW 3 release: Blood Ravens v Eldar. Set includes an Imperial Knight and a Wraithknight.

but in true, old school starter box style, the WK and the IK must come in 2 snap together pieces

I think you meant to say "the WK and IK would be printed on cardboard and slotted into a plastic base", like the Ork walker in the 2nd edition starter set

 Haravikk wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
In conjunction with the DoW 3 release: Blood Ravens v Eldar. Set includes an Imperial Knight and a Wraithknight.

but in true, old school starter box style, the WK and the IK must come in 2 snap together pieces

I think you meant to say "the WK and IK would be printed on cardboard and slotted into a plastic base", like the Ork walker in the 2nd edition starter set

Lol, sure... I didn't play back in 2nd though, so I wouldn't know bout that

I agree with the posters expressing that the Start Collecting Bundles! are the way of the future, but I do think that the starter set will probably get another run. It is far too easy a selling point for a GW employee to overlook. It is marketable as a stand-alone, simple game for a Sunday night tabletop session for the family, the models are snap-fit, and the 'children' can escalate the complication of the game to their skill levels. More-over it is very handy for displays.

As far as armies are concerned, by looking at precedent we can guess that there will be a nice, wide variety of unit-types built specifically to allow players to learn as many unit types as possible. There will be bikes, a walker (or vehicle), a character, power-weapons, and infantry of varying saves (expendable gribblies, MEQ, TEQ,).

Moreover it will be encapsulating whatever the new gimmick of the edition really is. In 6th the gimmick was power-weapon differentiation (hence the Chosen having a variety of power weapons), jink (hence the bikes), and the hullpoint system (Helbrute).

One army will be the gimmick fluffy army (probably whichever loyalist faction) and one army will be the weird, wacky random unit distribution army which will help the players learn the rules.

Necrons, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks, and Tau are all good candidates for the bad guys with wacky units that can show off the fancy new rules.

One of those will be facing an army with a fluffy, bright, iconic color-scheme that will allow the brand to be instantly identified. Space Marines are the natural choice. Blood Angels would be pretty cool, I guess, but I'm hoping for White Scars.

I would love to see something like Orks vs. Dark Eldar

Sisters Vs. Tyranids. Gives me an excuse to start a Nids army and new sisters!

If I had to vote I would vote for Sister vs Slaanesh.

If I had to bet with my money what we will see next I would have to say SM "blue ones" vs Necrons

AdMech vs Tau
or maybe vs Orks. Basically any army that I want stuff for except Space Marines and Guard (already have enough of that). Something really unorthodox like AdMech vs Inquisition would also be huge fun.
But GW would be insane if they ever made a starter set without Space Marines. Space Marines are the most iconic thing and the largest selling point of the 40k franchise, and they are a perfect army for starters.

Need some necrons and eldar fighting just like good ol' times

Salamanders versus Dark Eldar.

Rumors been saying Guard vs Tyranid campaign. I'd like to see that tbh.

So, IG vs Nids

Tyranids vs AdMech.

2017 – 30th Anniversary 40K starter set, Crimson Fists vs Orks in the Rynn's World campaign. Original John Sibbick artwork on the box.

I'd be pretty into plastic Pedro, Thrugg and Hruk. Also if all the marines were in mkVI armour.

Adeptus Arbites vs. Cult (Genesealer or Chaos)

Call the box "Uprising", "Insurrection", or something similar.

I like the idea of Guard vs Tyrannids for that whole Starship Troopers vibe.

I also like Eldar vs Necrons. Bring that War in Heaven back.

 KhorneontheCobb wrote:
If they updated both codexes and model lines a CSM vs. Sisters of Battle would break sales records.

They would be making even more money by splitting that into two sets with marines in both...

Putting in marines is "print money" button. You think they won't push it?

tneva82 wrote:

 KhorneontheCobb wrote:
If they updated both codexes and model lines a CSM vs. Sisters of Battle would break sales records.

They would be making even more money by splitting that into two sets with marines in both...

Putting in marines is "print money" button. You think they won't push it?

I absolutely get what you're saying but I don't know how sisters vs space marines would play out..

Necrons vs Eldar would be nice to see