This was a rumour that first appeared on faeit but has since been corroborated elsewhere. Gw will be bringing back certain out of production miniatures based on customer interest.
Edit forgot this was my thread. It is now official. The programme is still in its pilot phase so future releases and their timing have yet to be confirmed. The first wave is imperial guard.
Chikout wrote: This was a rumour that first appeared on faeit but has since been confirmed elsewhere.
Where?
A user on the grand alliance forums said they had been told by their local GW managers. If true this is coming very soon so it seems very plausible especially with how well the last chance to buy stuff sold.
Chikout wrote: This was a rumour that first appeared on faeit but has since been confirmed elsewhere. Gw will be bringing back certain out of production miniatures based on customer interest.
Official details of this are coming next week.
Really interested to see how this works out.
where was it confirmed? Don't get me wrong, if its true it would be great, but without saying where its confirmed its still as unreliable as faeit
Chikout wrote: This was a rumour that first appeared on faeit but has since been confirmed elsewhere.
Where?
A user on the grand alliance forums said they had been told by their local GW managers. If true this is coming very soon so it seems very plausible especially with how well the last chance to buy stuff sold.
that's not a comfirmation. that's a "user" on grand alliance saying something that the gw local manager wouldn't know.
Chikout wrote: This was a rumour that first appeared on faeit but has since been confirmed elsewhere.
Where?
A user on the grand alliance forums said they had been told by their local GW managers. If true this is coming very soon so it seems very plausible especially with how well the last chance to buy stuff sold.
that's not a comfirmation. that's a "user" on grand alliance saying something that the gw local manager wouldn't know.
I changed my wording if that makes you feel better but if this is coming next week managers would know.
Scepticism is fine, especially with rumours on faeit but I am inclined to believe this one.
Chikout wrote: This was a rumour that first appeared on faeit but has since been confirmed elsewhere.
Where?
A user on the grand alliance forums said they had been told by their local GW managers. If true this is coming very soon so it seems very plausible especially with how well the last chance to buy stuff sold.
I'd take that with a grain of salt, then. Many rumors fly back and forth in retail, and it's hard to tell what's solid info.
Unless they've been called to HQ for training, managers generally don't know anything about what's going on until the pre-orders arrive, or a box turns up on the Thursday for a Saturday launch.
Just to be a devil's advocate here, this is actually what happened with a lot of the Order stuff that was "Last Chance to Buy".
They grossly underestimated the demand and ran off another few runs to post. I know a few people who ordered stuff that had still been on the shelves at the time and received it in baggies rather than even the white mail order boxes.
Chikout wrote: This was a rumour that first appeared on faeit but has since been confirmed elsewhere.
Where?
A user on the grand alliance forums said they had been told by their local GW managers. If true this is coming very soon so it seems very plausible especially with how well the last chance to buy stuff sold.
Oh.
Well, rumours from a "user on the grand alliance forum" (assuming the user has no previous history of breaking correct) and Faeit has a trustworthiness value of approximately zero as far as I'm concerned.
Not saying it won't happen; (GW should have introduced something like this years ago), but so far this is a rumour with nothing backing it up.
judgedoug wrote: This is already happening; several out of production Lord of the Rings and Hobbit models have gone back into production and are now available again.
Yeah, but that's because the are reviving and expanding the LotR game system. There's a separate thread for this.
I mean, GW has to realize that their back catalog, meaning models no longer in production, would be more valuable than all but a small handful of manufacturer's complete ranges.
If Forgeworld wasn't already swamped, I could see such things being handed off to them. We'll see. I just (stupidly) started a sisters army, and I'm excited by this prospect. Not as excited as plastic Sisters or Plastic Inquisitorial Henchmen... but excited none the least.
As if a thousand wallets all cried out at once and were suddenly emptied...
Think of the ebay resellers! This has the potential to upset the gravy train. A small subset went ballistic a few years ago when Foundry started producing ancient citadel miniatures they had. Can you imagine the howls of anguish if GW started opening up their back catalogues...
I would expect this would work something like a Kickstarter. GW would put up a list of possible models they are willing/able to do production runs on (i.e. they still have the molds and the legal right to do so), and people can "pre-order" what they want. When a specific model or kit gets enough orders for them to make a decent profit by making the run, they pump them out and charge the customers at that time.
Really, this would be a great way to bring back some classic models and things that people are clamoring for.
I'm betting now that Fincast is all but phased out from use on new releases, this is what GW is doing with that equipment. That said I doubt we'll see any models that precede when GW reworked molds to be better compatible with this equipment.
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Oh waw, yes please! There are plenty of fantasy models I missed out on from the Brettonian, Beastmen and Tomb Kings ranges as well as plenty of Mordheim models I'd love to get my hands on.
A service that I won't be able to get through a discounter, unfortunately but given the circumstances GW's silly pricing probably wont deter me this time.
Although, maybe it's their way of doing some about turns. They could claim Tomb Kings were requested and bring them back. A way of undoing some bad decisions and claim it's a customer choice thing.
It is a good idea. If they will organize it in a sensible way like a handful of ranges each month so people have a good chance it will get produced, I cannot see anything wrong with this. I occassionaly buy older GW metal models from their webshop and have not been disappointed by their offerings. Other companies like Bryan Ansell's Foundry Miniatures are doing this, too, and it is nice to be able to buy some OOP models again.
I'm curious, if they brought back the old back catalog but in Finecast, do people really want that? I still have the last two GW catalogs they shipped and paw thru them looking at the pictures, but I've had much better luck getting old metal models off ebay and rehabilitating them then I have had with any of their resin casts, and ebay's a hell of a lot cheaper.
Prometheum5 wrote: I'm curious, if they brought back the old back catalog but in Finecast, do people really want that? I still have the last two GW catalogs they shipped and paw thru them looking at the pictures, but I've had much better luck getting old metal models off ebay and rehabilitating them then I have had with any of their resin casts, and ebay's a hell of a lot cheaper.
I, personally, won't be touching ang special order stuff unless it's metal. Life is too short for Finecast.
Prometheum5 wrote: I'm curious, if they brought back the old back catalog but in Finecast, do people really want that? I still have the last two GW catalogs they shipped and paw thru them looking at the pictures, but I've had much better luck getting old metal models off ebay and rehabilitating them then I have had with any of their resin casts, and ebay's a hell of a lot cheaper.
I, personally, won't be touching ang special order stuff unless it's metal. Life is too short for Finecast.
Exactly, but I would buy the pants off of the back catalog if it was available in metal again. I never managed to get the History of Space Marine Armor set, and that's actually kinda pricey now in metal. There are so many good old Marines sculpts that I don't have nearly enough of.
Prometheum5 wrote: I'm curious, if they brought back the old back catalog but in Finecast, do people really want that? I still have the last two GW catalogs they shipped and paw thru them looking at the pictures, but I've had much better luck getting old metal models off ebay and rehabilitating them then I have had with any of their resin casts, and ebay's a hell of a lot cheaper.
No way. As much as I love the old Necromunda and BFG ranges, if they brought them back in Finecast I wouldn't touch them. Metal or nothing in my opinion. I will only buy a Finecast model if it is something I really (and I mean really) like the sculpt of and I can see the model physically before I buy it. I've seen far too many horrendous warpings, detail destroying bubbles, and other miscasts on the models I've seen (and in one of the two sets of finecast models I purchased).
To be honest, I think Kan is probably right and it will likely only be plastics and maybe a select few models from the 40k range.
Any time you have a bad cast from GW I'm pretty sure they will replace or refund it.
Pretty much any "specialist games" stuff they brought back I'd be all over. That said I'm even keener on new editions in glorious plastic a la Space Hulk and Blood Bowl.
To be honest, I think Kan is probably right and it will likely only be plastics and maybe a select few models from the 40k range.
Probably. It'll most likely be some new prints of stuff like bretonnian and tomb king plastics. (which would make it the third "last chance" to buy those in the span of a single year)
Don't get your hopes up for ancient stuff like space crusade ships or gob-lobbers
As if a thousand wallets all cried out at once and were suddenly emptied...
I need to prepare my wallet I want some tomb king models for my Death army. Since mannfred had skeletons armed with Khopesh's and I recall he had some Ushabti lying around as well.
I think a lot of people are gonna have their hopes dashed. I just don't believe GW is reaching as far into their back catalog as people are hoping.
On their post they say "...old model when they went onto last chance"... As best as I can remember the "last chance" moniker isn't that old; at least not old enough to cover things like Necromunda or Space Crusade.
I think hoping for anything other than models that were at one point available in Finecast is setting yourself up for disappointment. IF GW does end up going deeper into their back catalog there is no way it'll happen so all at once.
I guess it depends on how far it goes back and what they will be cast in. If it's Fineca$t™ I wont touch it. I worked with enough of those models to have a VERY healthy hatred for that medium. If they will do old metals from like the 90's...( not fething likely but one can hope) to cash in on the Ebay scalpers turf then well "shut up and take my money". Altho I think the molds to those where lost many many moons ago sadly.
My guess is that it will actually just be discontinued resin models. But if so, I hope one is the Crimson Fists Standard Bearer. I would LOVE to give that standard to my current bearer. Perhaps they will rerelease the vehicle icons as well. I need more.
What I want: the discontinued plastic WHFB scenery kits, the discontinued plastic WHFB regiments AND the discontinued metal/finecast WHFB characters, the old Specialist Games ranges(BFG, Necromunda, Mordheim primarily but GorkaMorka would be welcome), and the full SoB/Inquisition/Ecclesiarchy range that went away with the demise of the combined Inquisition 'dexes.
What will actually happen: a half-arsed rerun of Last Chance To Buy with a tiny selection of Finecast models, mostly 40K and mostly Space Marines.
conker249 wrote: Hope it is true. I can buy the old blast master noise marine with the bolter guitar. Or the Orc Cheerleader.
YES! I would buy a bunch of these just to have! If they brought back some of the corny stuff like Boltguitar, this would already be a winning idea.
My concern is that they will start to move all Finecast stuff into this format. Everything is already direct order, this would just allow them to limit stock sitting in a warehouse. All the while probably giving everything a 30% price increase.
As much as I would love to see some of the classic minis come back, I think this will initially be limited to the minis that went out of stock last year. I am also worried about how expensive these things will be.
There is potential for this to be a great thing for gw, but the devil is in the detail in this case.
Lockark wrote: How far back can they go and can I get old plastics? I would love Diaz deamonettes and more plastic empire free company.
Diaz deamonettes don't pop up often on ebay and when they do they are so expensive. Would totally really with resin casts.
If they brought back Diaz Daemonettes I'd be so hyped i'd want at least 60 for another flayertoupe.
Tell me about it. I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but thows are mini's are what I'm REALY hoping for. Considering that they go for like $20 per model on ebay it's clear their are alot of slaanesh fans who miss them.
casvalremdeikun wrote: My concern is that they will start to move all Finecast stuff into this format. Everything is already direct order, this would just allow them to limit stock sitting in a warehouse. All the while probably giving everything a 30% price increase.
My concern is that they'll use this to effectively squat nominally supported legacy lines without booting them from the game/setting completely. Things like aspect warriors, Black Templars, Kroot, the entire SoB range and Slaanesh.
casvalremdeikun wrote: My concern is that they will start to move all Finecast stuff into this format. Everything is already direct order, this would just allow them to limit stock sitting in a warehouse. All the while probably giving everything a 30% price increase.
My concern is that they'll use this to effectively squat nominally supported legacy lines without booting them from the game/setting completely. Things like aspect warriors, Black Templars, Kroot, the entire SoB range and Slaanesh.
Given recent behaviour there's no reason to assume that without this new thing, they wouldn't just get rid of those things anyway with a full-bore Squatting. I'd rather have the thrown bone than nothing at all.
MrMoustaffa wrote: Please bring back all the commissars, please being back all the commissars, please being back all the commissars, seriously GW please
This.
And a few of the Vostroyans that were discontinued.
Maybe I can get the last Escher in the collection (leader with power sword). Oh boy, I am dreaming with this news - but something tells me it's only going to be plastic kits that have gone through LCTB.
It will be interesting to see if the newer, more interactive GW will use any of their social media outlets or their website to organise polls or votes on what may be made to order.
I am a bit uneducated on the mould front, do they have the old moulds stored or can they use old casts to create new moulds? Possibly a very interesting project anyway.
Even when they had it, GW never made very good use of their back catalogue. For example when they brought back militia for the Witch Hunters/SoB they could have done a Cawdor/Redemptionist bundle, or an Arbites/Enforcer bundle for Inquisition Storm Troopers. Unless you had intimate knowledge of GW's product lines a customer wouldn't even know some of these lines existed.
I've suggested something like this for a while, staggered limited releases of different lines. Someone else suggested something like an internal kickstarter, pledge to order a package then when the pre order number hits the goal it's released.
I doubt we will ever see the days when GW had almost every model and bit ever made in stock in US and UK warehouses (remember the great bits collapse of 2002?) but I'm psyked to see something come back from the darkness of shady ebay offers.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: It will be interesting to see if the newer, more interactive GW will use any of their social media outlets or their website to organise polls or votes on what may be made to order.
I am a bit uneducated on the mould front, do they have the old moulds stored or can they use old casts to create new moulds? Possibly a very interesting project anyway.
I remember hearing years ago, that GW more or less kept all of it's master sculpts and master moulds archived for IP purposes. The only exception to this are master moulds and models that former members of GW bought or took with them as part of their severance when they left the company.
So for example this is why Foundry Miniatures has a back catalogue of some of GW's Early catalogue. (Most well Known is they own alot of GW's former Historicals that were re purposed at the time into the original Empire Miniature Line.)
So I imagen that their will be a limit to how far back GW could go with the back catalogue. I don't except any of the realy rare mini's like Chaos Snake men, Saharduin, ect to be available this way. But hopefully it means gaps in the IG metal ranges, SoB, ect can get pluged at the very least.
Buttery Commissar wrote: There was something a couple weeks back where they did a single day re-release in metal for two OOPLotR sets.
I wondered if it was to avoid killing the value for collectors.
That'd be my one worry about going too deep into the back catalogue; killing off army values for folks who paid a lot.
I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.
If a handful of people ending up with buyer's remorse and a handful more scalpers out of pocket is the price of allowing the vast majority of people the chance to buy something they wanted but never got a chance to, then I call it a bargain.
Pretty sure this is just for all the models they moved into "Last Chance to Buy" over the last year or so. Maybe if that's successful they might offer older stuff, but I doubt they're bringing back the molds for things 10+ years old, for example.
Yodhrin wrote: I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.
If a handful of people ending up with buyer's remorse and a handful more scalpers out of pocket is the price of allowing the vast majority of people the chance to buy something they wanted but never got a chance to, then I call it a bargain.
This. Speaking as someone who has paid way too much money for OOPFW models I would be very happy if they are available again. Keeping prices for OOP stuff high doesn't benefit me at all, it just screws over other people who might want to buy the same stuff. And getting OOP kits back into production might even give me the opportunity to buy more copies at a reasonable price.
Gotta agree with Yodhrin. I don't really want to say anything bad about Ebay and it's users but I have seen some horrid scalper moves like skyrocketing prices for said Last chance to buy models after they hit "sold out".
Also, would really like a chance to get Vostroyans as well. Big hats and antique guns are a beautiful mix.
I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.
If a handful of people ending up with buyer's remorse and a handful more scalpers out of pocket is the price of allowing the vast majority of people the chance to buy something they wanted but never got a chance to, then I call it a bargain.
It's fine if people 'collect' the GW miniatures, but for the vast majority, it's about the games. I also buy models I don't need because they are cool and I like to have them, but if it's OOP am I paying ebay "collector" prices? Nah, I send my money to China.
Just yesterday I saw a single new in box Necroshpinx on ebay for 140€. feth that, man.
Yeah, hoarding and artificially pushing prices up can do one, in general, in most aspects of everything.
I doubt GW, that makes nothing from resales, would give two hoots about damaging a secondary market. Now, cashing in on it via casting their own OOP models? NOW you're talking...
They'll probably start with recent stuff that went OOP as that will be easiest to do and maybe extend it to earlier stuff if it works. Makes sense that they make use of their back catalogue if they can make it work. Maybe bringing back specific sets for a limited time, cycling through the catalogue rather than having thing available all the time. Interesting..
1) I may be wrong (I usually am ) but didn't GW destroy the moulds for a lot of their old miniatures some years ago? Thus making these wish lists moot?
2) If this news had broke 5 years ago, I'd be seriously mad, but I'm not, because I sold a ton of old citadel miniatures back then: citadel townsfolk, chaos thugs, citadel furniture. I even had an old citadel assassin.
To cut a long story short, I made my money, maybe dakka members gave me that money, and this news doesn't bother me
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silverstu wrote: They'll probably start with recent stuff that went OOP as that will be easiest to do and maybe extend it to earlier stuff if it works. Makes sense that they make use of their back catalogue if they can make it work. Maybe bringing back specific sets for a limited time, cycling through the catalogue rather than having thing available all the time. Interesting..
If they had giant 3D printers to make miniatures on demand, then this news would make sense.
But on a basic economic level, they'll not going to do one ancient squig miniature from 1985, on the off chance that some ancient gamer might want to complete his or her collection.
If you make or publish anything: books, DVDs, miniatures etc etc, there's got to be a minimum print run, otherwise it's not worth the time or money.
Adeptus astartes on Facebook who occasionally has prerelease info is saying it is the entire back catalogue except limited editions. That is pretty amazing if true, though I am much more sceptical about this than I was about the initial rumour.
Would be incredible if true, especially if it includes terrain and isn't so ridiculously expensive that you'd be as well just paying up to the ebay scalpers, but even with a gigantor markup I can't see how GW could offer literally everything they still have molds for.
Chikout wrote: Adeptus astartes on Facebook who occasionally has prerelease info is saying it is the entire back catalogue except limited editions. That is pretty amazing if true, though I am much more sceptical about this than I was about the initial rumour.
That would be absolutely crazy and I have no idea how GW could manage something like that while still making a profit and keep the price affordable. Would be great, though, and if GW can do it, all praise to them.
It's not the entire back catalogue, Adeptus Astartes has got that entirely wrong, go look at GW Salisbury FB page and you'll actually see the original post, no where do they mention the entire back catalogue.
Chikout wrote: Adeptus astartes on Facebook who occasionally has prerelease info is saying it is the entire back catalogue except limited editions. That is pretty amazing if true, though I am much more sceptical about this than I was about the initial rumour.
The price point will also make or break this. If they do offer anything in the back catalog, but charge $30 for a mini (what they do for some clampack HQs) I suspect we’ll all just grumble and pass for the most part.
I recognize that we are not going to be getting ‘80s minis at ‘80s prices. Inflation alone is going to over double the price. But there is also going to be more overhead for smaller runs, rather then the normal mass production.
Chikout wrote: Adeptus astartes on Facebook who occasionally has prerelease info is saying it is the entire back catalogue except limited editions. That is pretty amazing if true, though I am much more sceptical about this than I was about the initial rumour.
Hope is the beginning of unhappiness.
Thought for the Day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
KalexKurosaki wrote: It's not the entire back catalogue, Adeptus Astartes has got that entirely wrong, go look at GW Salisbury FB page and you'll actually see the original post, no where do they mention the entire back catalogue.
How far back and how much this costs are really what will drive my interest in this. Copplestone IG for $3 each? My wallet unleashes a flood of cash to GW.
Plastic figures for recently defunct Fantasy lines at 1.5x the original price, eh, probably pass.
I can't see any circumstance where GW will do plastic kits on an on-demand basis. They will have 4 or 5 production lines set out to cover their existing lines, this just isn't something you interrupt, spam out a few sprues of some old kit, then restart the main production run.
notprop wrote: I can't see any circumstance where GW will do plastic kits on an on-demand basis. They will have 4 or 5 production lines set out to cover their existing lines, this just isn't something you interrupt, spam out a few sprues of some old kit, then restart the main production run.
If the demand is there, I could see them do it though. How many people would put cash down for RTB01s, out of sheer nostalgia? I suspect there is enough demand there to warrant time on the production line. Even if they went with some of the more extreme squad pricing (like $50-60 for 10 guys) If they priced them the same as a normal tac squad, I think they would sell as fast as they could make them, at least for a while. If they sold 30 marines for $20, they would break the machines trying to keep up. But that’s flashing back a little too hard to the 80’s.
Nevelon wrote: The price point will also make or break this. If they do offer anything in the back catalog, but charge $30 for a mini (what they do for some clampack HQs) I suspect we’ll all just grumble and pass for the most part.
I recognize that we are not going to be getting ‘80s minis at ‘80s prices. Inflation alone is going to over double the price. But there is also going to be more overhead for smaller runs, rather then the normal mass production.
I just hope things can be reasonable...
If things are priced anywhere close to current prices, we might be OK. Squads of 10 men for $45 /set, for example.
With all the nostalgia lately and now even dead sculpts beeing brought back to serve the shareholders, we all know the risen dead is a sign of the apocalypse.
So far it sounds like a reunion tour for old "last chance to buy" items. Lets hope they found a way to go even further back.
Herzlos wrote: Unless they've been called to HQ for training, managers generally don't know anything about what's going on until the pre-orders arrive, or a box turns up on the Thursday for a Saturday launch.
As some one who sorta works for a gw they know whats happening around 3 day before they are come out
Buttery Commissar wrote: There was something a couple weeks back where they did a single day re-release in metal for two OOPLotR sets.
I wondered if it was to avoid killing the value for collectors.
That'd be my one worry about going too deep into the back catalogue; killing off army values for folks who paid a lot.
I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.
If a handful of people ending up with buyer's remorse and a handful more scalpers out of pocket is the price of allowing the vast majority of people the chance to buy something they wanted but never got a chance to, then I call it a bargain.
You don't speak for me, in either case, no.
Just like MTG and other high cost hobbies, there are people - yes people, not goblins who sit and rub their hands atop hoards of lead - who collect and enjoy owning rare miniatures.
Partly the chase, partly the reliance that they could get some investment back if they were to sell their card folders or army cases.
For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.
Or to put it another way, if my house burned down, I'd want to receive insurance money for what I actually paid, not what the models were recently released as costing.
Going back further... People who have insured their collections of 1980s minis, would be in a similar position. I'm not talking about losing 30% of the cost of a 2005 plastic kit.
Bringing back miniatures to be used and enjoyed is a great thing. But you cannot say that everyone feeling apprehensive is feeling so out of greed or "buyers remorse".
Some of us, just like collectors of coins, plates or memorabilia, simply backed the wrong horse.
Did I read the Facebook quote properly? They are only remaking what was on "Lasst Chance to Buy"?
So I take it as no Zoats or any old Tyranid minis or what not will be available. Dang, would have loved some Zoats and Rough Trader Nids, especially the long skinny one. Forget the name of that one now.
So I am wondering if this would be last chance for Bretonnia and Tomb King collectors to get their minis they can't get anymore.
I'm all for collecting and knowing your stuff has higher prices, but folks have to remember that this doesn't necessarily apply to normal release metal and plastic minis. These minis were produced in bulk. Some bought them up and artificially inflated them on ebay due to finecast. Sorry but I don't feel for those who hoard production minis to resell.
Now, in reference to collector minis? Sure, those should be worth some cash and increase in value due to true rarity. I'd be lying if I didn't have several of gw's le minis, or two zombicide sets. However those are or include exclusives, and I didn't buy them to resell (one to play, one to paint). If a family member gets cancer or something horrible happens, sure I'd sell them. But I wouldn't be seeing them just to get rich.
Have I paid more than stuff was worth in the past? Sure. I paid $90 each for two 'limited release' terminator captains that are now general deathwatch release. I also paid more for some tomb kings items because I had always wanted a tk army, and saw they were ceasing production. Since my purchases, the prices have fallen but I don't regret those purchases, it was worth the cost to me.
But those who hoard production minis just to rip off fellow gamers? F them. I saw a set of gene cult dice ar my local flgs for $17 recently. I had already ordered two from gw. I left them on the shelf for another gamer to enjoy for $17, instead of buying and reselling on ebay for $50-$70.
Davor wrote: Did I read the Facebook quote properly? They are only remaking what was on "Lasst Chance to Buy"?
Believing it would be anything more was wishful thinking from the get go. You'd think people would temper their imagination somewhat, but sometimes it's easy to get carried away apparently.
Davor wrote: So I am wondering if this would be last chance for Bretonnia and Tomb King collectors to get their minis they can't get anymore.
By my count it's the third time in the span of a year that these minis have been advertised as "last chance to buy". Not unreasonable to suspect there'll be a fourth and fifth "last chance" as well.
455_PWR wrote: But those who hoard production minis just to rip off fellow gamers? F them. I saw a set of gene cult dice ar my local flgs for $17 recently. I had already ordered two from gw. I left them on the shelf for another gamer to enjoy for $17, instead of buying and reselling on ebay for $50-$70.
Oh absolutely. That Witch King diorama I posted earlier sells for £100-220 sealed.
I picked up one to paint as I lost my original. It would have been so easy to drift my hand and take a second, reselling for over five times the cost. But I'd rather someone else get chance to own one.
More fool me, perhaps. But you follow on why I bristle at the pressing assumption people who appreciate owning rare or OOP minis must be in it purely to skim off the sweat of other hobbyists.
Several Sisters Models are available again. Mistress of the Repentia and Uriah are back in stock after who knows how long. Hopefully some of the other sisters special weapons are included in this.
Maybe they found a cash of old models in Kirby's Basement, and are looking to cash out.
casvalremdeikun wrote: My concern is that they will start to move all Finecast stuff into this format. Everything is already direct order, this would just allow them to limit stock sitting in a warehouse. All the while probably giving everything a 30% price increase.
My concern is that they'll use this to effectively squat nominally supported legacy lines without booting them from the game/setting completely. Things like aspect warriors, Black Templars, Kroot, the entire SoB range and Slaanesh.
I wouldnt be so pessimistic. Some models, where put back to indy retail aswell. Kemmler ( finecast model ), the Steamtank, dwarf cannon, dwarf Thunderers and Dark elf Dreadlord on Black Dragon. In this perspective I do lift my hat towards Rountree.
Davor wrote: Did I read the Facebook quote properly? They are only remaking what was on "Lasst Chance to Buy"?
So I take it as no Zoats or any old Tyranid minis or what not will be available. Dang, would have loved some Zoats and Rough Trader Nids, especially the long skinny one. Forget the name of that one now.
So I am wondering if this would be last chance for Bretonnia and Tomb King collectors to get their minis they can't get anymore.
I can see why they are doing this. When people are selling Tomb King battalions for 100-140 pounds and they go. When sealed Bretonnian Battalions go for 80-90 pounds. When Louen Leoncoeur go for 80-90 pounds, when the Green Knight can keep his price around 18-25 pounds, then why wouldnt GW sell their own minis.
Would GW really do this just to sell some Tomb Kings and Bretonnians? There must be OOP40k models that would sell tenfold than the most popular Tomb King ever would. Surely GW knows this and will give us what we want!
Buttery Commissar wrote: There was something a couple weeks back where they did a single day re-release in metal for two OOPLotR sets.
I wondered if it was to avoid killing the value for collectors.
That'd be my one worry about going too deep into the back catalogue; killing off army values for folks who paid a lot.
I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.
If a handful of people ending up with buyer's remorse and a handful more scalpers out of pocket is the price of allowing the vast majority of people the chance to buy something they wanted but never got a chance to, then I call it a bargain.
You don't speak for me, in either case, no.
Just like MTG and other high cost hobbies, there are people - yes people, not goblins who sit and rub their hands atop hoards of lead - who collect and enjoy owning rare miniatures.
Partly the chase, partly the reliance that they could get some investment back if they were to sell their card folders or army cases.
For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.
Or to put it another way, if my house burned down, I'd want to receive insurance money for what I actually paid, not what the models were recently released as costing.
Going back further... People who have insured their collections of 1980s minis, would be in a similar position. I'm not talking about losing 30% of the cost of a 2005 plastic kit.
Bringing back miniatures to be used and enjoyed is a great thing. But you cannot say that everyone feeling apprehensive is feeling so out of greed or "buyers remorse".
Some of us, just like collectors of coins, plates or memorabilia, simply backed the wrong horse.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but I just don't care, and neither do most people.
And actually yes, I do think the motivators here are greed and buyer's remorse, those are the only rational reasons behind what you're talking about - if you bought the model at a price you were happy to pay at that time because you wanted to own it, then other people being able to buy the same model at a different price shouldn't be of any concern to you beyond the normal mild irritation that you personally missed out on a better deal(again, just as would occur if you bought an item and then it came up again on ebay some weeks or months later much cheaper, or if you were selling, sold for much more than you got). A stronger reaction than that can only mean either you weren't actually happy to pay that much for the model at the time you bought it(ie, buyer's remorse), or that your primary motivation for buying the model wasn;t to own it yourself but to later turn it around and gouge some other "collector" for a substantial profit(ie, greed).
I recently cleared out some old BFG ships on ebay(realistically, I just didn't have time to collect yet another dead game), and I got way less for them than some were going for about six or eight months after the SGs were initially canned. Like, half as much for some of them. That's no affront to me, because I didn't buy them to make money from. I've bought Mordheim models I really, really wanted on hard-fought ebay auctions and then seen the exact same models, sometimes even in better condition, for a fraction of the price as buy-it-nows only a few weeks later, and while that was annoying I lived with it because I'd already decided what I was willing to pay for those models and I didn't go above that.
Neither GW, nor other wargamers have any responsibility to ensure the nebulous potential value of collectors' models.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Just like MTG and other high cost hobbies, there are people - yes people, not goblins who sit and rub their hands atop hoards of lead - who collect and enjoy owning rare miniatures.
And those people will still have their rare miniatures. If the appeal is owning something cool then nothing is lost just because someone else has one too. If the appeal is having something that nobody else gets to have then sorry, no sympathy at all for those people.
For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.
Well there's your problem then. Don't look at miniatures (or MTG cards, etc) as an investment. If you consider the money lost the moment you spend it on the thing you want, much like buying a meal at a nice restaurant, you won't have this problem. And if insurance pays out the current value of the models you can buy replacement copies at the current price. And, after all, the point of insurance is being able to get your stuff back, not to have the opportunity to cash in your investments all at once.
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Yodhrin wrote: I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.
Exactly. I have spent hundreds of dollars each on single OOP models (mostly old FW tanks and scenery) and I don't care one bit if they go back into production and the value drops to the original retail price. That money was gone as soon as I spent it, and I got the thing I wanted. The fact that I might not be able to cash in my "investment" for as much in the future doesn't matter because that's not why I bought it. No matter what happens I still own those models I bought.
To be fair, I have no issues buying at a higher price for certain things.
I commonly grab units of 10 diaznettes from eBay for £50-£65.
If they re-release them I'd be over the moon and buy more.
I can see how some collectors would be annoyed though, as I've seen plenty of people on here collect rare models.
For the value of something to drop rapidly out of the blue it would be annoying.
To be clear, I'm not talking about TK or Brett's, I'm talking about the proper old collectors models ranging from skullz, games day models etc.
Not just the usual retired plastic kits.
Jackal wrote: I can see how some collectors would be annoyed though, as I've seen plenty of people on here collect rare models.
For the value of something to drop rapidly out of the blue it would be annoying.
To be clear, I'm not talking about TK or Brett's, I'm talking about the proper old collectors models ranging from skullz, games day models etc.
Not just the usual retired plastic kits.
I think most collectors would be ecstatic about being able to simply place an order with GW to get 90+% of the stuff they want, brand new, not recast / fakey without hunting or waiting. Just BANG! spend money and done. And at half the price they would have paid on eBay, they can afford the other 10%.
For me "proper old" stuff would be things that predate Skullz -- stuff from the RT / WFB 3-4 era.
Speculative investing in hobby sectors such as minis, cards, or comicbooks, is an incredibly bad idea due to the volatility of collectables.
It is far better to buy what you like when you like and don't worry about whether or not it will fluctuate in value. I figure once I buy it it is worthless to anyone else. My guitar collection is worth less than when I bought them, as is my GW collection, etc.
I remember when GW did those $175-$250 army deals for 40K and WFB, and they slipped a reissue of Sgt. Centurius in the SM set. People came unglued. The limited edition BSBs didn't grab as much ire as that one model, simply because of when it came out before. For the life of me, I don't see what the big deal is. And part of me wishes I still had it. I'd post a video on Youtube of me smelting it down with all my other pewter stuff to make fishing sinkers.
xraytango wrote:Speculative investing in hobby sectors such as minis, cards, or comicbooks, is an incredibly bad idea due to the volatility of collectables.
It is far better to buy what you like when you like and don't worry about whether or not it will fluctuate in value. I figure once I buy it it is worthless to anyone else. My guitar collection is worth less than when I bought them, as is my GW collection, etc.
Unless, of course, you had an ESP Eclipse archtop in a color I like.
For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.
Well there's your problem then. Don't look at miniatures (or MTG cards, etc) as an investment. If you consider the money lost the moment you spend it on the thing you want, much like buying a meal at a nice restaurant, you won't have this problem. And if insurance pays out the current value of the models you can buy replacement copies at the current price. And, after all, the point of insurance is being able to get your stuff back, not to have the opportunity to cash in your investments all at once.
No, my "problem" is other people telling me what my attitude to my hobby should be, or is.
I know people who have and will, use folders of CCG as insurance against hard times. I know people who collect certain types of pottery.
Both are valid, both have and will yield results.
Expecting a now twenty year old item to retain reasonable value rather than decrease is not unrealistic.
Buttery Commissar wrote: I know people who have and will, use folders of CCG as insurance against hard times.
That is a really, really stupid thing to do. Those cards could crash in value overnight and leave them with nothing, so that "insurance" is pretty much worthless. If you actually need an investment as insurance against hard times (as opposed to "well, it might be nice to cash out of this hobby so I can buy the next one") you put that money into low-risk bank investments and spend a bit of money at your local print shop to make some proxies to play the game with.
Expecting a now twenty year old item to retain reasonable value rather than decrease is not unrealistic.
Of course it's unrealistic. GW never promised that those 20 year old models would never be produced again, nor did they promise not to release similar ones in the future that might greatly reduce demand for the old stuff. And they certainly didn't promise to go out of business, killing off the market for 40k/WHFB miniatures in general and leaving them in the same "cheap nostalgia" pile on ebay as other toys from 20 years ago. The only reason to expect them to retain any value is your own assumption that the models sold badly enough that GW won't have any interest in bringing them back. And if you put any serious amount of money at stake in that assumption you're making a huge mistake.
Buttery Commissar wrote: I know people who have and will, use folders of CCG as insurance against hard times.
That is a really, really stupid thing to do. Those cards could crash in value overnight and leave them with nothing, so that "insurance" is pretty much worthless. If you actually need an investment as insurance against hard times (as opposed to "well, it might be nice to cash out of this hobby so I can buy the next one") you put that money into low-risk bank investments and spend a bit of money at your local print shop to make some proxies to play the game with.
I'm going to go ahead and side with the people who make their living and keep their savings in these cards. On a busy, new release weekend, a store can take 25-75k on MTG boxes. I think folk involved at this point know roughly what their own market is.
I'm not saying I do, but I am saying you don't either. Calling people really really stupid for something we don't know about, is fairly pointless. It's their gamble, someone who can afford thousands of pounds of investment in cards, are likely aware when they're handling a £2k folder, that things come and go.
Expecting a now twenty year old item to retain reasonable value rather than decrease is not unrealistic.
Of course it's unrealistic. GW never promised that those 20 year old models would never be produced again, nor did they promise not to release similar ones in the future that might greatly reduce demand for the old stuff. And they certainly didn't promise to go out of business, killing off the market for 40k/WHFB miniatures in general and leaving them in the same "cheap nostalgia" pile on ebay as other toys from 20 years ago. The only reason to expect them to retain any value is your own assumption that the models sold badly enough that GW won't have any interest in bringing them back. And if you put any serious amount of money at stake in that assumption you're making a huge mistake.
Well, "reasonable" was the pivotal word in that sentence, but if you wish to continue rattling your can, please take it up with someone who actually has issue with models being re-released. I gave an explanation as to why people do, and why it's not all about "scalping"; some folk will just be left feeling sore. I also said I thought it was good to see stuff coming back.
Honestly, I love to see anything that encourages people to get together and game. Having parents show kids stuff they had themselves can be one of those.
Buttery Commissar wrote: No, my "problem" is other people telling me what my attitude to my hobby should be, or is.
I know people who have and will, use folders of CCG as insurance against hard times. I know people who collect certain types of pottery.
Both are valid, both have and will yield results.
Expecting a now twenty year old item to retain reasonable value rather than decrease is not unrealistic.
Nobody is telling you what your attitude should be. You're a funny kid, but reasonable people are telling you that your opinion is poorly-formed and not grounded in reality, and you should listen to them.
Those people are stupid. CCGs are not insurance. Nor are pottery. Both have virtually zero intrinsic value, and the idea of using them to make rent or buy food is laughable.
If that 20-year-old item isn't a gold Rolex watch, it's almost certainly going to depreciate in value. Expecting a toy to retain value is pretty unrealistic outside of some pretty specific circumstances. Most of this toy stuff is just windhandel, liable to collapse at a moment's notice. If you want something to gain value in 20 years, it had better be have some real value to it.
For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.
Well there's your problem then. Don't look at miniatures (or MTG cards, etc) as an investment. If you consider the money lost the moment you spend it on the thing you want, much like buying a meal at a nice restaurant, you won't have this problem. And if insurance pays out the current value of the models you can buy replacement copies at the current price. And, after all, the point of insurance is being able to get your stuff back, not to have the opportunity to cash in your investments all at once.
No, my "problem" is other people telling me what my attitude to my hobby should be, or is.
I know people who have and will, use folders of CCG as insurance against hard times. I know people who collect certain types of pottery.
Both are valid, both have and will yield results.
Expecting a now twenty year old item to retain reasonable value rather than decrease is not unrealistic.
It's very selfish though to demand GW NOT provide models for others that want just so that you get to make money out of it.
You put yourself over other gamers(and GW).
Besides there's better insurances like investing that gives you more certain and better profit without expecting other gamers to be hurt for you to benefit.
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Buttery Commissar wrote: I'm not saying I do, but I am saying you don't either. Calling people really really stupid for something we don't know about, is fairly pointless. It's their gamble, someone who can afford thousands of pounds of investment in cards, are likely aware when they're handling a £2k folder, that things come and go.
Sure. But don't cry foul then if company releases them again making value of your cards fall.
You took risk. One that's not even needed since there's safer ways to make more money in real investing over cards/miniatures.
Invest in cards/miniatures if you want. Just don't demand company never release those again thus hurting your collection. Rereleasing wanted miniatures/card is GOOD as it gives customers chance to get the models for reasonable prices. Somebody got burned by taking risk and investing them to make money...Well they took risk. They got burned. Happens when you invest in risky business. Don't do that if you aren't prepared to see your investement value to drop below what you paid.
This is all incredibly premature though. We're just getting reprints of the Necrosphinx, Pegasus Knights and so on, certainly nothing earlier than that, and absolutely nothing originally cast in metal - GW barely has the capacity to cast those kind of moulds anymore and they've wanted to get rid of anything not plastic for close to a decade now.
Wow, someone is actually standing up for scalpers on eBay. That's new.
Someone watched too much Storage Hunters (or other similar show, where people buy old trash and sell it to collectors).
I'm really happy to hear, that such a service will exist. I have quite a few OOP minis in my shopping list. I wouldn't hold my breath too much though: while some will be fortunate enough to see their desired minis on the website yet again, most of us won't, sadly :(
Id buy :
-commissar with bolt pistol
-vostroyan OOP miniatures
-daemonettes
-skink chief with ccw and shield
- various Dogs of war stuff
-OOP inquistion minis...
Realistically, it might only be IG stuff..
Agamemnon2 wrote: This is all incredibly premature though. We're just getting reprints of the Necrosphinx, Pegasus Knights and so on, certainly nothing earlier than that, and absolutely nothing originally cast in metal - GW barely has the capacity to cast those kind of moulds anymore and they've wanted to get rid of anything not plastic for close to a decade now.
No offence but is that guessing or has it been reported somewhere?
I've got hundreds of WHFB2, 3 and RT-era models. I've got many more hundreds if we're moving it up to when things like Tanith and Diaz Daemonettes were released. Some painted, some unpainted, most opened but some still MIB etc.
I've paid eBay prices for models I wanted in the way back then that I never got (original Dragon Ogre, etc). I have 2 of Sgt Centurious, and a decent number of rare and collector's models, and even a couple of unreleased ones. RTB01, "Turtle" Terminators, Squats, old discontinued FW. Original GS Cult stuff, I don't have everything ever released by a long shot, but I've got many more than any normal person. But... they're just my minis. They're not an investment or anything I plan to ever sell.
I give zero feths if GW re-releases any and all of those models, including the rate things like Sgt Centurious. More power to anyone who wants to get hold of them, and I'm sure I'd pick up quite a few more of things I've got, and pick up more of the older stuff that I still want - without paying "oldhammer" eBay scalper prices.
Agamemnon2 wrote: This is all incredibly premature though. We're just getting reprints of the Necrosphinx, Pegasus Knights and so on, certainly nothing earlier than that, and absolutely nothing originally cast in metal - GW barely has the capacity to cast those kind of moulds anymore and they've wanted to get rid of anything not plastic for close to a decade now.
No offence but is that guessing or has it been reported somewhere?
It's no more guessing than people expecting Squats, Pygmies, Arbites and Zoats. And erring on the side of caution is never the wrong move to make. At any rate, reading what little info we have about the thing from those GW facebook posts carefully, one can end up with the impression they only refer to recently discontinued models, not ancient kits from several decades ago. As for offence, friend, you couldn't offend me if you tried.
Azazelx wrote: I've got hundreds of WHFB2, 3 and RT-era models. I've got many more hundreds if we're moving it up to when things like Tanith and Diaz Daemonettes were released. Some painted, some unpainted, most opened but some still MIB etc.
I've paid eBay prices for models I wanted in the way back then that I never got (original Dragon Ogre, etc). I have 2 of Sgt Centurious, and a decent number of rare and collector's models, and even a couple of unreleased ones. RTB01, "Turtle" Terminators, Squats, old discontinued FW. Original GS Cult stuff, I don't have everything ever released by a long shot, but I've got many more than any normal person. But... they're just my minis. They're not an investment or anything I plan to ever sell.
I give zero feths if GW re-releases any and all of those models, including the rate things like Sgt Centurious. More power to anyone who wants to get hold of them, and I'm sure I'd pick up quite a few more of things I've got, and pick up more of the older stuff that I still want - without paying "oldhammer" eBay scalper prices.
Exactly! And I can see the word feths when I quote?
The GW hobby has become the hobby for people who like owning stuff other people don't have. I have boxes and boxes of oop print stuff and am overjoyed at the prospect of other people getting the chance to enjoy those awesome sculpts just as much as I do. Definitely a step in the right direction from GW to shed its toxic fan base.
Agamemnon2 wrote: This is all incredibly premature though. We're just getting reprints of the Necrosphinx, Pegasus Knights and so on, certainly nothing earlier than that, and absolutely nothing originally cast in metal - GW barely has the capacity to cast those kind of moulds anymore and they've wanted to get rid of anything not plastic for close to a decade now.
No offence but is that guessing or has it been reported somewhere?
Logical guess presumably but when there's will there's a way. Question isn't can GW do it. Question is is it profitable enough for them? If yes then they can bring back stuff from older stuff. Maybe not every model ever released but a lot.
At first I don't expect super old models but if GW deems there's enough demand to justify it then why not? If it's profitable enough then they would be burning down money if they didn't.
Buttery Commissar wrote: I know people who have and will, use folders of CCG as insurance against hard times.
That is a really, really stupid thing to do. Those cards could crash in value overnight and leave them with nothing, so that "insurance" is pretty much worthless. If you actually need an investment as insurance against hard times (as opposed to "well, it might be nice to cash out of this hobby so I can buy the next one") you put that money into low-risk bank investments and spend a bit of money at your local print shop to make some proxies to play the game with.
I'm going to go ahead and side with the people who make their living and keep their savings in these cards. On a busy, new release weekend, a store can take 25-75k on MTG boxes. I think folk involved at this point know roughly what their own market is.
I'm not saying I do, but I am saying you don't either. Calling people really really stupid for something we don't know about, is fairly pointless. It's their gamble, someone who can afford thousands of pounds of investment in cards, are likely aware when they're handling a £2k folder, that things come and go.
Expecting a now twenty year old item to retain reasonable value rather than decrease is not unrealistic.
Of course it's unrealistic. GW never promised that those 20 year old models would never be produced again, nor did they promise not to release similar ones in the future that might greatly reduce demand for the old stuff. And they certainly didn't promise to go out of business, killing off the market for 40k/WHFB miniatures in general and leaving them in the same "cheap nostalgia" pile on ebay as other toys from 20 years ago. The only reason to expect them to retain any value is your own assumption that the models sold badly enough that GW won't have any interest in bringing them back. And if you put any serious amount of money at stake in that assumption you're making a huge mistake.
Well, "reasonable" was the pivotal word in that sentence, but if you wish to continue rattling your can, please take it up with someone who actually has issue with models being re-released. I gave an explanation as to why people do, and why it's not all about "scalping"; some folk will just be left feeling sore. I also said I thought it was good to see stuff coming back.
Honestly, I love to see anything that encourages people to get together and game. Having parents show kids stuff they had themselves can be one of those.
When it comes down to it miniature games and card games are a niche market and in 20 years it could be gone again, and those people will sit on stuff that is worth zero money, invest in well appreciated art like Picasso or Van Gogh, or rare metals, or rare cars, but our hobby is in the big schemes of things just a fad.
Agamemnon2 wrote: This is all incredibly premature though. We're just getting reprints of the Necrosphinx, Pegasus Knights and so on, certainly nothing earlier than that, and absolutely nothing originally cast in metal - GW barely has the capacity to cast those kind of moulds anymore and they've wanted to get rid of anything not plastic for close to a decade now.
But what will happen to the market value of my three Pegasi knights and the rare OOP mint condition collector's item Necropshinx head I have? Or my Diaznettes? I have, err, at least six, but I think I got some more when I bought some metal Bloodletters on ebay. Am I rich now?
More serious, I'd LOVE to get a Necrosphinx after dallying on buyit it for years. It's sooo badass.
For people saying metal/classic models are impossible, look at that Blood Bowl star players set that was available at the Warhammer World tournament earlier in the year. A lot of the moulds have been destroyed lost, but it's not impossible that some classics will pop up in their original format.
xowainx wrote:For people saying metal/classic models are impossible, look at that Blood Bowl star players set that was available at the Warhammer World tournament earlier in the year. A lot of the moulds have been destroyed lost, but it's not impossible that some classics will pop up in their original format.
RazorEdge wrote:The Lotr models are all re-released in the material they were last produced. I await the same here.
Good points and good news!
I sand by my prediction of limited re releases of certain sets.
If they're smart they will incorporate some sort of pre-order/request/lobbying system.
MaxT wrote: Honestly, this is why i feel sorry for GW sometimes. The expectations of some of you lot are fething ridiculous.
I think a lot of us have realistic expectations, but outrageous hopes. There probably isn't anyone here that thinks they are going to get 30 year old molds. But none of us would complain (except for a few, apparently) if those older models did end up coming out.
At them moment it's all speculation other than that they going to rerelease some of their older OOP stuff
but we know they won't be able to release everything back to the beginning of the company as
they'll have lost some of the original masters/moulds
they'll have destroyed some of the original masters/moulds
some of the stuff they released was licenced (eg AD&D, Paranoia, 2000AD, Dr Who etc) and they no longer have the licence
some of the stuff was sold/given away to sculptors who have left (eg a lot of the original empire range)
some of the stuff sculpted by free-lancers was probably not bought in such a way that they could be re-used (see the issues with some of the early art/ip in the chaperhouse case)
and some of it is probably offensive enough it todays terms that they would risk bringing it back (eg the pygmies)
so we might as well wait and see (and hope) until we get the full official announcement
RazorEdge wrote: Wargames Foundry still have the old citadel "NIppon" range.
Yeah and Norse, and Dragons and Brettonians Normans too.
They also have the full range of Citadel cannons (used to be sold as Bretton and Dwarf bombards) in metal. I do laugh when these appear as "long OOP citadel Cannons" on ebay!
RazorEdge wrote: I guess we could possible see this "made to order" stuff as a "classic" range. Some older models from pre 2008 as a "high quality metal" cast.
MaxT wrote: Honestly, this is why i feel sorry for GW sometimes. The expectations of some of you lot are fething ridiculous.
Do you really think it's ridiculous that people want to buy things? 90% of the requests here involve, at most, taking an old master out of the vault, making a mold, and spin casting some pewter. There are companies literally in garages and basements that are doing that right now. I get all the stuff about inventories and what not, but people are willing to pay a good price per model for what they want.
It's neither ridiculous of us to ask, or GW to refuse.
notprop wrote: The community generated hype is a bit ridiculous to be fair. the inevitable forthcoming rage and disappointment only more so.
I don't think anybody really thinks GW is going to crack open the vault so they can finally finish their collection of 4th edition Savage Orcs.
But there are some popular kits that could be remade. Things like Sisters, the metal IG ranges, and the Daemonettes that are very much in general demand.
Davor wrote: Did I read the Facebook quote properly? They are only remaking what was on "Lasst Chance to Buy"?
Believing it would be anything more was wishful thinking from the get go. You'd think people would temper their imagination somewhat, but sometimes it's easy to get carried away apparently.
Davor wrote: So I am wondering if this would be last chance for Bretonnia and Tomb King collectors to get their minis they can't get anymore.
By my count it's the third time in the span of a year that these minis have been advertised as "last chance to buy". Not unreasonable to suspect there'll be a fourth and fifth "last chance" as well.
I just realized what I was reading, I don't think they are Games Workshop related at all. Just a fan site. So if it's not "everything in the catalogue" as was said, it wasn't GW who said it then. Damn I still need to learn how Facebook works.
notprop wrote: The community generated hype is a bit ridiculous to be fair. the inevitable forthcoming rage and disappointment only more so.
I don't think anybody really thinks GW is going to crack open the vault so they can finally finish their collection of 4th edition Savage Orcs.
But there are some popular kits that could be remade. Things like Sisters, the metal IG ranges, and the Daemonettes that are very much in general demand.
GW have metal IG and Sisters on their webstore by the way.
notprop wrote: The community generated hype is a bit ridiculous to be fair. the inevitable forthcoming rage and disappointment only more so.
I don't think anybody really thinks GW is going to crack open the vault so they can finally finish their collection of 4th edition Savage Orcs.
But there are some popular kits that could be remade. Things like Sisters, the metal IG ranges, and the Daemonettes that are very much in general demand.
GW have metal IG and Sisters on their webstore by the way.
Not the full ranges, although it does amuse me when I see people selling Mordian lasgun troopers as "long OOP" when they're still on the webstore
I don't think anybody really thinks GW is going to crack open the vault so they can finally finish their collection of 4th edition Savage Orcs.
But there are some popular kits that could be remade. Things like Sisters, the metal IG ranges, and the Daemonettes that are very much in general demand.
Oh boobie minis, YES. I am only kidding there. I think this is one of the ranges or minis they will not be doing.
I don't think anybody really thinks GW is going to crack open the vault so they can finally finish their collection of 4th edition Savage Orcs.
But there are some popular kits that could be remade. Things like Sisters, the metal IG ranges, and the Daemonettes that are very much in general demand.
Oh boobie minis, YES. I am only kidding there. I think this is one of the ranges or minis they will not be doing.
It's a shame, because they are universally adored models.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: and some of it is probably offensive enough it todays terms that they would risk bringing it back (eg the pygmies)
What, no. Nobody would take offense at an army of Gollywogs.
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Polonius wrote: I don't think anybody really thinks GW is going to crack open the vault so they can finally finish their collection of 4th edition Savage Orcs.
But there are some popular kits that could be remade. Things like Sisters, the metal IG ranges, and the Daemonettes that are very much in general demand.
Most of the metal IG are still available. Except Praetorians...
Personally, I cannot, for the life of me, understand why GW wouldn't do a Praetorian v Pygmy & Savage Ork set. It seems like that would be a natural combination to sell to wannabe ex-Colonialists.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Most of the metal IG are still available. Except Praetorians....
Which might just be the most wanted one Also serious lack of heavy and special weapons. Don't see anything for mordians for example. Not that they ever had large selection but think mordians had at least heavy bolter and one special weapon if not 2 of both.
JohnHwangDD wrote: Most of the metal IG are still available. Except Praetorians....
Which might just be the most wanted one Also serious lack of heavy and special weapons. Don't see anything for mordians for example. Not that they ever had large selection but think mordians had at least heavy bolter and one special weapon if not 2 of both.
Eh. The Tallarn squad is still 10 models including ML & Plasma, as they've always been. I never noticed that the Valahallans and Mordians got shafted. ASL is doing fine, though. But yeah, Mordians had a ML - don't know why that's not in the current, and there should have at least been a special of some sort thrown in.
BTW, back in the day, the metal IG were all shorted one of the Specials. Tallarn only had Plasma, Melta & GL, but no Flamers. Never had them, never will. Not sure what Mordians were short.
All of the 2nd edition ranges (Catachans, Cadians, Mordians, Tallarn, and Valhallans) had all five heavy weapons, two sergeants, three of the four special weapons, and an officer. (Praetorians were just Mordians with new heads, plus a bugler and standard bearer model). Tallarn and Valhallans also had special characters.
In third edition, Catachans added (in metal) the grenade launcher, along with snipers, demo charges, heavy flamers, and an underrated collection of officers. Cadians added a bunch of stuff, including metal snipers, new Plasma and Melta models to match the plastics, and both regular officers, and a command box with senior officer, standard, and medic. They also gained Creed/Kell.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: Tallarn only had Plasma, Melta & GL, but no Flamers. Never had them, never will. Not sure what Mordians were short.
Catachans originally missed the grenade launcher, but got on in third.
Cadians missed the grenade launcher
Mordians/Praetorians missed the plasma gun
Tallarn missed the flamer
Valhallans missed the plasma
Also, a number of ranges include a vox caster, including the valhallans, cadians, and Catachans. Also interestingly, most ranges had at least eight different sculpts for lasgunners.
Thanks! Back in 3E, I remember feeling really lucky that Tallarn had both ML & Plasma in their squad box, as that was *the* setup. Of course, back then, Mordians & Valhallans not having Plasma was just awful. Now, with grossly overpriced Plasma, it hardly matters.
Much as I would like to see some of the old ranges come back, I think it would be cooler if GW, say, did a poll to see what old, non-Sisters range people would like to see remade in plastic.
Barzam wrote: Much as I would like to see some of the old ranges come back, I think it would be cooler if GW, say, did a poll to see what old, non-Sisters range people would like to see remade in plastic.
Barzam wrote: Much as I would like to see some of the old ranges come back, I think it would be cooler if GW, say, did a poll to see what old, non-Sisters range people would like to see remade in plastic.
Barzam wrote: Much as I would like to see some of the old ranges come back, I think it would be cooler if GW, say, did a poll to see what old, non-Sisters range people would like to see remade in plastic.
Without a doubt it would be 2nd Ed IG but in the same style and scale so they work alongside the originals.
Barzam wrote: Much as I would like to see some of the old ranges come back, I think it would be cooler if GW, say, did a poll to see what old, non-Sisters range people would like to see remade in plastic.
Harlequines and Genestealer Cult!
I don't think that's a good idea. It takes some time to create or recreate a new army, especially with a plastic model range. People may have changed their mind after two years or holding back their money during this time - both is not particularly advantageous for GW.
His Master's Voice wrote: GW made a model with exposed breasts (well, breast) two or three years ago. If the Diazettes don't make a comeback, it won't be because of nipples.
Yeah, but no matter how many time it is pointed out, people still make that ridiculous comment
General Kroll wrote: I think a few here are setting themselves up for a disappointment here.
GW aren't going to start selling long forgotten stuff. It's going to be fairly recent out of print stuff at a mark up.
That's great, but it's not going to be Squats and Ancient Predator tanks.
Maybe not at first and maybe never but if GW deems it's profitable enough why you think they wouldn't later?
There's some models they literally CANNOT due to one reason or another but for large part it's piece of cake if it's profitable enough to be worth it. After all by defintiion in that case not releasing it means GW is deciding to be happy with less profits...So people complain GW is greedy and only cares money yet somehow would be happy to not maximize profits here?-)
The question isn't can GW do it but is there sufficient demand to make it worth the trouble for GW.
Maybe not at first and maybe never but if GW deems it's profitable enough why you think they wouldn't later?
There's some models they literally CANNOT due to one reason or another but for large part it's piece of cake if it's profitable enough to be worth it. After all by defintiion in that case not releasing it means GW is deciding to be happy with less profits...So people complain GW is greedy and only cares money yet somehow would be happy to not maximize profits here?-)
The question isn't can GW do it but is there sufficient demand to make it worth the trouble for GW.
I agree with you here - I well remember the "Parts Direct" service (name?) from the early 90's and how great it was - it would be nice for there to be enough of a market for GW to spin up their old moulds again.
The old back catalogue in the 90s was great, and I would be delighted to see something similar return, right down to the yellow trimmed catalogue pages at the back of white dwarf.
General Kroll wrote: The old back catalogue in the 90s was great, and I would be delighted to see something similar return, right down to the yellow trimmed catalogue pages at the back of white dwarf.
But I'm not going to pin my hopes on it.
Yeah, I think people are getting misty-eyed over this. I hope I'm wrong and that people get the old models they want, but I member the spare parts service, and if anything makes money, you don't get rid of it.
There would be sound economic reasons for its shelving and there will be sound economic reasons for not bringing it back.
Would any company put a load of time and effort into something, just so two people could get a Squat flamer from 1991 or something?
It would not be worth their while. 10,000 squat flamers yeah, if the demand was there, but not the niche level people are hoping for.
I wonder if this is going to lead to more models going to LCTB but being available through this service. For example the entire sisters range and the empire range.
General Kroll wrote: The old back catalogue in the 90s was great, and I would be delighted to see something similar return, right down to the yellow trimmed catalogue pages at the back of white dwarf.
But I'm not going to pin my hopes on it.
Yeah, I think people are getting misty-eyed over this. I hope I'm wrong and that people get the old models they want, but I member the spare parts service, and if anything makes money, you don't get rid of it.
There would be sound economic reasons for its shelving and there will be sound economic reasons for not bringing it back.
Would any company put a load of time and effort into something, just so two people could get a Squat flamer from 1991 or something?
It would not be worth their while. 10,000 squat flamers yeah, if the demand was there, but not the niche level people are hoping for.
They ostensibly cancelled the old mail order service because they didn't consider the effort and expense of storing bajillions of parts worth it. That concern is substantially alleviated if they're using an actual "made to order" system ie they only produce the item once someone pays for one, and is also a position that could have been reevaluated more recently in that the new management could consider the intangible value of the goodwill such a move would generate to be worth running a more extensive back catalogue even if it wouldn't make them a fortune in cold hard cash.
I'm not saying it will happen, it probably won't, but I don't think we should take the thinking of 2008 as gospel given that same thinking is what led to them canning Specialist Games, which are now returning.
The best thing right now for GW to sell again for a range they are trying to breathe new life into would be the Mines of moria box. It was far superior to the current escape from goblin town.
Resources are finite. Allocating them to where they can generate the most value is the correct way of running a company, so yes, a profitable branch of the company can and often will be shut down if another angle of business is expected to bring in more profits.
Historically, GW was hit and miss with predicting what will make them money and trigger happy with cutting off limbs before seeing if they can be made to work better, but I doubt the bitz service actually ran in the red. It probably wasn't profitable enough in a period when they needed money somewhere else.
General Kroll wrote: The old back catalogue in the 90s was great, and I would be delighted to see something similar return, right down to the yellow trimmed catalogue pages at the back of white dwarf.
But I'm not going to pin my hopes on it.
Yeah, I think people are getting misty-eyed over this. I hope I'm wrong and that people get the old models they want, but I member the spare parts service, and if anything makes money, you don't get rid of it.
There would be sound economic reasons for its shelving and there will be sound economic reasons for not bringing it back.
Would any company put a load of time and effort into something, just so two people could get a Squat flamer from 1991 or something?
It would not be worth their while. 10,000 squat flamers yeah, if the demand was there, but not the niche level people are hoping for.
They ostensibly cancelled the old mail order service because they didn't consider the effort and expense of storing bajillions of parts worth it. That concern is substantially alleviated if they're using an actual "made to order" system ie they only produce the item once someone pays for one, and is also a position that could have been reevaluated more recently in that the new management could consider the intangible value of the goodwill such a move would generate to be worth running a more extensive back catalogue even if it wouldn't make them a fortune in cold hard cash.
I'm not saying it will happen, it probably won't, but I don't think we should take the thinking of 2008 as gospel given that same thinking is what led to them canning Specialist Games, which are now returning.
I'm half agreeing, half disagreeing, if that makes sense.
Yeah, made to order is far superior to having thousands of bits lying around collecting dust, but even with made to order, surely economies of scale come into it? Would you fire up a machine just to make one old meltagun for example? Then the postage and packaging, and for what, maybe a few pence profit?
The community goodwill bit I can get, but economies of scale will factor in the thinking for this plan.
As for specialist games, it was a bad move getting rid of them, and I'm somewhat glad they're brining them back. Board games are very popular these days, and stuff like space hulk, bloodbowl, even dreadfleet, made to a high quality, will sell, so that makes sense.
Resources are finite. Allocating them to where they can generate the most value is the correct way of running a company, so yes, a profitable branch of the company can and often will be shut down if another angle of business is expected to bring in more profits.
Historically, GW was hit and miss with predicting what will make them money and trigger happy with cutting off limbs before seeing if they can be made to work better, but I doubt the bitz service actually ran in the red. It probably wasn't profitable enough in a period when they needed money somewhere else.
That may be, but like I said above, nobody is going to stoke the forges just to make 1 Genestealer Left Arm from 1993 or something.
Market research will have to figure in this IMO. Perhaps a legacy range, featuring a limited run of classic models, or the 10th anniversary of the Armageddon campaign, for people to snap stuff up or something...
If you build it, they will come, may work for field of dreams, and may sometimes work for buisness, but not all the time.
It could be that this is intended to be market research,
with GW clearly starting to play with some of their legacy stuff like harlequins and genestealers they could use the made to order system to get a pretty good idea of what ranges/games etc have a strong inbuilt fanbase to sell to
as without any cash in the equation it's always easy for people to scream for dreadfleet, pygmies, squats etc (and perhaps even belive they mean it), but when the news stuff comes out that doesn't mean they'll buy
but if made to order shows steady sales of a particular type of thing it's going to be a strong indication there's money on the table if the reintroduction is handled well
Ultimately it is probably the success on forgeworld that has led to this. It has shown that people will pay large amounts of money for small runs of unique figures.
I imagine that when Rountree did his review he that that the business model of forgeworld could be leveraged in other ways. I believe that some forgeworld products are already essentially made to order.
as without any cash in the equation it's always easy for people to scream for dreadfleet, pygmies, squats etc (and perhaps even belive they mean it), but when the news stuff comes out that doesn't mean they'll buy
Exactly. people may talk the talk, but they have to walk the walk and buy the stuff, otherwise made to order will nosedive.
I would be on that so damn fast it wouldn't even be funny. Back when he first came out, I ordered one through my FLGS and because of production issues(the owner of my FLGS put me on the phone with his GW rep at the time and we were flatout told the reason why they couldn't fulfill the order was because the camo cape was tearing the moulds apart) I never got one.
daemonish wrote:The best thing right now for GW to sell again for a range they are trying to breathe new life into would be the Mines of moria box. It was far superior to the current escape from goblin town.
Why do I have the feeling it will not be $75 Canadian that it went for when it was released the first time. Great box set.
I would be on that so damn fast it wouldn't even be funny. Back when he first came out, I ordered one through my FLGS and because of production issues(the owner of my FLGS put me on the phone with his GW rep at the time and we were flatout told the reason why they couldn't fulfill the order was because the camo cape was tearing the moulds apart) I never got one.
So I shouldn't mention that I have 2 then (the first had a slight miscast on a foot so GW sent me a free replacement)?
General Kroll wrote: The old back catalogue in the 90s was great, and I would be delighted to see something similar return, right down to the yellow trimmed catalogue pages at the back of white dwarf.
But I'm not going to pin my hopes on it.
Yeah, I think people are getting misty-eyed over this. I hope I'm wrong and that people get the old models they want, but I member the spare parts service, and if anything makes money, you don't get rid of it.
There would be sound economic reasons for its shelving and there will be sound economic reasons for not bringing it back.
Would any company put a load of time and effort into something, just so two people could get a Squat flamer from 1991 or something?
It would not be worth their while. 10,000 squat flamers yeah, if the demand was there, but not the niche level people are hoping for.
They shelved specialist games(including game that exceeded their own expectations by 400%) and are bringing them back.
Gw makes plenty mistakes. Not every shelving was correct.
Polonius wrote: All of the 2nd edition ranges (Catachans, Cadians, Mordians, Tallarn, and Valhallans) had all five heavy weapons, two sergeants, three of the four special weapons, and an officer. (Praetorians were just Mordians with new heads, plus a bugler and standard bearer model). Tallarn and Valhallans also had special characters.
In third edition, Catachans added (in metal) the grenade launcher, along with snipers, demo charges, heavy flamers, and an underrated collection of officers. Cadians added a bunch of stuff, including metal snipers, new Plasma and Melta models to match the plastics, and both regular officers, and a command box with senior officer, standard, and medic. They also gained Creed/Kell.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: Tallarn only had Plasma, Melta & GL, but no Flamers. Never had them, never will. Not sure what Mordians were short.
Catachans originally missed the grenade launcher, but got on in third.
Cadians missed the grenade launcher
Mordians/Praetorians missed the plasma gun
Tallarn missed the flamer
Valhallans missed the plasma
Also, a number of ranges include a vox caster, including the valhallans, cadians, and Catachans. Also interestingly, most ranges had at least eight different sculpts for lasgunners.
Great summary, thanks.
I'm pretty happy with my metal IG collection ATM, but they are great models and I'd love for all of them to be back in prodcution.
The metal Cadians in particular are fantastic models. The metal Catachans are dogs, just terrible, but outside of them I don't think there is a loser in the bunch. Up there with the Necromunda range.
I would be on that so damn fast it wouldn't even be funny. Back when he first came out, I ordered one through my FLGS and because of production issues(the owner of my FLGS put me on the phone with his GW rep at the time and we were flatout told the reason why they couldn't fulfill the order was because the camo cape was tearing the moulds apart) I never got one.
So I shouldn't mention that I have 2 then (the first had a slight miscast on a foot so GW sent me a free replacement)?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I'm pretty happy with my metal IG collection ATM, but they are great models and I'd love for all of them to be back in prodcution.
The metal Cadians in particular are fantastic models. The metal Catachans are dogs, just terrible, but outside of them I don't think there is a loser in the bunch. Up there with the Necromunda range.
I'm of much the same mind. While I would like the option of more metal Cadians, and was pursuing it at one point, at this point, I have so many metal IG, I can't justify buying more stuff that I just won't play.
I would be on that so damn fast it wouldn't even be funny. Back when he first came out, I ordered one through my FLGS and because of production issues(the owner of my FLGS put me on the phone with his GW rep at the time and we were flatout told the reason why they couldn't fulfill the order was because the camo cape was tearing the moulds apart) I never got one.
So I shouldn't mention that I have 2 then (the first had a slight miscast on a foot so GW sent me a free replacement)?
I pretty much hate you right now.
haha, i've got one, too...
been thinking of painting that bad boy for a decade...
just need to find a cool 54mm plinth w/ terrain to place him on...
the texture of the cloak is amazing...
not hard to see why it would ruin molds...
it will be interesting to see what becomes of this idea...
there are not many kits that i missed out on, except the things that didn't interest me, but i did miss out on the Diaz Daemonettes and Seekers, and a couple of the Empire mounted characters and infantry...
can't think of anything else...
if i gave something a pass the first time around, it was because i had no interest in the model...
nostalgia hasn't changed that one bit...
my big thing are all of the models that i had to skip because they came out after Finecast, like the Ogre characters, and Farsight...
i would be happy with those in metal
Ah, the Bitz Service. I remember that. Fondly. I used to use it a lot. The last Bitz order I placed included the Mordheim Elf Mage (the Jedi-looking one) and some other random parts for conversions. I really doubt that this is a return to those glory days, but it would be so good if it was...!
got a call from GW today, they will do a cast on demand this saturday in their Onlineshop for IMPERIAL GUARD.
They told me metal models and that retailers can also order the products. It will take about 4 weeks to fulfill the orders.
So if anyone is interested in Imerial Guard Metal models have a look at GW Onlineshop this saturday or talk to your FLGS.
got a call from GW today, they will do a cast on demand this saturday in their Onlineshop for IMPERIAL GUARD.
They told me metal models and that retailers can also order the products. It will take about 4 weeks to fulfill the orders.
So if anyone is interested in Imerial Guard Metal models have a look at GW Onlineshop this saturday or talk to your FLGS.
Be interesting to see if this is available to all countries, and if so, do the orders ship from the country they're cast in at huge shipping cost.
To me, this very much indicates a move to a "living codex" like AoS has. Not saying they'll do to the rules what they did to AoS - that won't happen. But I would not be surprised to see these "made to order" dudes have pdfs of their rules put up for free on the site when 8th comes up.
If "Astra Militarum Crew" are those old Basilisk crewmen, I kinda want a set of them. Same with Valhallan comms, special weapons and an autocannon team,if the price is right.
What do you think, will these be one casting run only, or an expanding collectors' range of metals?
Verviedi wrote: Wait. Kasrkin?! I don't even play Guard and I want some.
You get away from my Kasrkin!
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Agamemnon2 wrote: If "Astra Militarum Crew" are those old Basilisk crewmen, I kinda want a set of them.
I would be very surprised if they are, I'm fairly certain the old Basilisk crewmen were FW sculpts.
There were Basilisk loaders and then they released two figures who were carrying a wrench and a heavy stubber barrel (along those lines anyway).
Maybe it's those figures up for order.
Zywus wrote: Once apon a time the regular GW basilisk came with a little plastic flip-top box containing two metal crewen (and some shells and other bits I think)
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These ones:
I think that was an attempt to boost tank sales when the 3rd ed IG codex came out. The Chimera version at the time had two Valhallan tank riders and the then new Exterminator had a metal tank commander and a Catachan tank rider included. The LemanRuss had the peaked cap Commander model.
Zywus wrote: Once apon a time the regular GW basilisk came with a little plastic flip-top box containing two metal crewen (and some shells and other bits I think)
EDIT- These ones:
Yeah, those were who I was thinking of. As it happens my Griffon actually has that gunner, though his hand was so badly miscast I replaced it with a bionic one holding some kind of dataslate (which I think was a garage cast by someone who also made female Cadians, I got it from a guy in the UK). But I quite like those models, since they're not wearing armor and have a cool uniform with a hat.
These guys were a "Collectors' Range" only release from five(?) years ago, and they're probably what the list refers to, alas.
JohnHwangDD wrote: OK, fine. I'll get Jes' Techpriests, which I probably should have gotten ages ago.
Gonna stay strong on the Tallarn, tho. I can't rightfully add more of those to the pile.
I love that Enginseer sculpt. One of my favorite figures.
Which one? There's two...and they actually were still available until last month or so.
Oh, huh. The one I like is still available on the GW site, in metal no less! How does that work, is it just really old stock that they haven't sold through? I have one already, but for $11 maybe I should grab a spare.
JohnHwangDD wrote: OK, fine. I'll get Jes' Techpriests, which I probably should have gotten ages ago.
Gonna stay strong on the Tallarn, tho. I can't rightfully add more of those to the pile.
I love that Enginseer sculpt. One of my favorite figures.
Which one? There's two...and they actually were still available until last month or so.
Oh, huh. The one I like is still available on the GW site, in metal no less! How does that work, is it just really old stock that they haven't sold through? I have one already, but for $11 maybe I should grab a spare.
That is precisely what it is. Stock that never sold through.
Hoping the Mordian Officer is the Lieutenant, he's a cracker of a sculpt.
Sadly I own enough of the rest from cheap eBay sales, to not really be excited by the teams. I may pick some to support this idea, as the more they sell, the more they'll do in future.
Price will be a big questionmark, but if they can undercut ebay scalpers, that would be nice. Hopefully they can find a pricepoint where these will be profitable enough to make more of, and cheap enough to entire even non-hardcore-collectors
Bottle wrote: I wonder if they'll do any Necromunda or Mordheim batches in this way? Might be too wish-listy but we know they would sell very well.
Also didn't Kid-Kyoto have this exact idea once? Of batch releasing the old sculpts? Someone is watching you :p
If people really wanted to play those games why buy super old and not very good sculpts? You can get way better models from third party dealers for both games. This is assuming you want to play the game and not just live inside nostalgia tho.
Barzam wrote: What are those Kasrkin Assault Weapons? Are those just the guys with the special weapons, or is there a close combat Kasrkin set I'm not aware of?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that yeah, it is the Melta Gun and Plasma Gun guys.
Bottle wrote: I wonder if they'll do any Necromunda or Mordheim batches in this way? Might be too wish-listy but we know they would sell very well.
Also didn't Kid-Kyoto have this exact idea once? Of batch releasing the old sculpts? Someone is watching you :p
Witch hunters and Carnival would sell like crazy. In the community familiar to and interested in Mordheim anyway.. Would it be big enough though?
I wasn`t in the hobby, when Necromunda and Mordheim were popular, but I sure am loving those games now.. Maybe that`s why I don`t look upto classic necromunda/most mordheim sculpts.
Bottle wrote: I wonder if they'll do any Necromunda or Mordheim batches in this way? Might be too wish-listy but we know they would sell very well.
Also didn't Kid-Kyoto have this exact idea once? Of batch releasing the old sculpts? Someone is watching you :p
If people really wanted to play those games why buy super old and not very good sculpts? You can get way better models from third party dealers for both games. This is assuming you want to play the game and not just live inside nostalgia tho.
While not all of those models were great (and some were downright awful), I think some of them are rather characterful and very nice. The redone modular Orlocks are great sculpts, I love the Cawdor models, and The Mordheim Witch Hunters have a few gems in their line, and the metal Mercenaries the Perry Bros did were great. And I would totally buy a few sets of the modular Enforcers if they are to get rereleased.
That said I much still prefer kitbashing most of my Mordheim bands. Necromunda doesn't have so many good options however.
Bottle wrote: I wonder if they'll do any Necromunda or Mordheim batches in this way?
If people really wanted to play those games why buy super old and not very good sculpts? You can get way better models from third party dealers for both games. This is assuming you want to play the game and not just live inside nostalgia tho.
The classic Necromunda Escher and Spyrer ranges would disagree with that blanket statement. Even Cawdor and Van Saar are quite good.
Definitely getting some kasrkin to act as either storm troopers or my armored vet squads. Hopefully the price isn't eye watering, those guys are expensive second hand.
This particular release may be dissapointing but what it says about the project as a whole is exciting. They are going to do old minis, even metal ones and they are going to do a lot, hence breaking it down into factions.
That's about it for that list, while an Enemy at the Gates style Valhallan army appeals, that's not something I want to do in metal, because that kind of army should be overwhelmingly composed of infantry.
I'm hopeful to snatch up some Kasrkin. Anyone have a picture of that priest? Google was not helpful. Hopefully we'll eventually see things like the 4th/5th Ed Metal horrors and that excellent plasma pistol Chaplain in this program.
I think I'll just put some money aside, just in case something I really want comes up, that I don't want to miss. There's not really a lot that I think I would want that I don't already have enough of, but there are a few things...Praetorians, Inquisitor stuff, old school Legion of the Damned, that sort of stuff.
What I'd want the most, really, is select bits, rather than whole miniatures, but I don't see that happening.
Bottle wrote: I wonder if they'll do any Necromunda or Mordheim batches in this way? Might be too wish-listy but we know they would sell very well.
Also didn't Kid-Kyoto have this exact idea once? Of batch releasing the old sculpts? Someone is watching you :p
If people really wanted to play those games why buy super old and not very good sculpts? You can get way better models from third party dealers for both games. This is assuming you want to play the game and not just live inside nostalgia tho.
Hmm. A bit of a blanket statement wouldn't you agree? Lots of the Necromunda range hold up excellently today in my opinion. Escher, new Redemptionists, new Goliath, Cawdor, Enforcers. And on the other side nostalgia and playing the game can live side by side, I am a collector of the original lines and play the game (see my signature). For me most kit bashes or 3rd party options are vastly inferior.
Bottle wrote: I wonder if they'll do any Necromunda or Mordheim batches in this way? Might be too wish-listy but we know they would sell very well.
Also didn't Kid-Kyoto have this exact idea once? Of batch releasing the old sculpts? Someone is watching you :p
If people really wanted to play those games why buy super old and not very good sculpts? You can get way better models from third party dealers for both games. This is assuming you want to play the game and not just live inside nostalgia tho.
There are some amazing sculpts in those ranges that have yet to be bested. Jes' Escher, for example, are miles ahead of things like the horrible Raging Heroes stuff. The attitude that old = bad is very strange considering there are so many companies still doing metal models of incredible quality.
So much for "only recent plastic stuff that went OOP and nothing beyond 2008". Pretty sure mordian heavy weapons have never been plastic and are older than that
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