Looks to be at least 4 kits;
- Plaguemarines of a similar size to Blightkings (a guess)
- Cult terminators (from Aracersss images below)
- Nurgle's rot Infected cultists
- Enormous scythe at the end hinting at a large model, logically Mortarion.
Not really, it's discussed in the other thread already.
I'm a bit torn on the Marines with their sharp theeth and tentacles looking like the DV Chosen (and their stumpy Marine legs), but the mutants are amazeballs. On any case Blight Kings with pre-made servo armour bits alone would justify this new release. If the Marines are a good kit on their own, even better.
I'm hoping they'll be multi part, multi pose but they do look good and I'll be buying them regardless.
As for the scythe I guess it's possible it's a new sculpt Typhus but I expect it is Mortarion, in either case, also sold!
Yeah you convinced me it must be Mortarion. Mostly due the long tease at the end of the video.
Anyway, I am quite worried because it will be impossible for me not to buy the whole set day one.
The only thing is I was thinking of buying Shadows over Harrenhal (lol) mostly to convert the blight king to 40K era but it seems GW just did exactly the same. Maybe I will skip this box then...
aracersss wrote: how are we 100% sure CD nurgle will get an update too?
it could go a different way than TS
Well it's a range that needs an update, and makes sense to design at the same time. Add to that a double use kit, or daemons, that will sell to both sides for the same shelf space. And they figure heavy in the fluff for realmwars, and are set up for resurgence after defeat.
And Hastings said it.
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Tactical_Spam wrote: Hopefully he isn't too big compared to RG. Someone could do a Rob and Morty conversion of the two.
As an added bonus, it all but confirms Nurgle in AoS as well, so here's hoping I can flog my WM/H stuff in time
Er, what?
How does Death Guard confirm Nurgle in AoS? We didn't see a Great Unclean One or Beasts of Nurgle or anything that is "shared".
We saw 40k stuff.
I mean, it would be surprising to not see those but this is kind of grasping at straws right off the bat.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Typhus though.
So far we have:
-Mortarian(the scythe appears a bit too big to be Typhus, unless he gets supersized--you can see a bit of base in the background to give a sense of scale)
-Plague Marines in Power Armour
-Plague Zombies
-Plague Terminators
That puts us, compared to the release for the Thousand Sons(Magnus, Rubricae, Exalted Sorcerers, Rubric Marines, Ahriman, Tzaangors) 2 release slots less.
I would expect to see a kind of "hero" boxed kit(and I actually think that a couple of the Plague Marines might be that; the guy with the butcher's apron on and the guy clutching the three shrunken heads on a chain have a kind of hero vibe to them...) where instead of the Disc mounted character there's a Terminator one and Typhus to round things out, release-wise.
Thebiggesthat wrote: Not really grasping at straws when someone well versed in GW future releases is saying the same.
Share a quote, please.
We didn't see anything that was shared in the early Tzeench leaks either
Other than the Tzaangors you mean?
It's important to note that between Disciples of Tzeentch and the Thousand Sons release, there was exactly one shared release that wasn't Daemonic. That was the Tzaangors box, and even that is kind of stretching it because they actually sell two different Tzaangor boxes. The Thousand Sons version comes with the 40k weapon sprue while the AoS version doesn't. Same contents otherwise.
Everything else(Changeling, Lord of Change, and the Blue & Brimstone Horrors) came with Disciples of Tzeentch--which itself saw a few "AoS only" releases. Kairic Acolytes box, Tzaangor Enlightened/Skyfire box, and the Tzaangor Shaman. It also saw a repackage of the Tzaangor box, minus the 40k weapon sprue, and the release of the Ogroid Thaumaturge and Gaunt Summoner separate from Silver Tower. And price bumps of existing kits, alongside of the Flamers from the Chariot being sold by itself as well.
I also think that it is important to note we had a bit of time between those releases. We saw Thousand Sons come out with Wrath of Magnus and Traitor Legions, then a bit later we got the "Tzaanuary" releases.
Nice! Not a fan of the Blightknight look for termis, but I'm digging the 80's vibe for the Plague Marines. Nurgley stuff is where the current GW aesthetics with too much cartoony detail works well.
You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. So I'll not waste my time digging through posts to find the Hastings quote. You can have the lovely feeling of winning on the internet, I'll be sure to bump this when then AoS is released.
You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. So I'll not waste my time digging through posts to find the Hastings quote. You can have the lovely feeling of winning on the internet, I'll be sure to bump this when then AoS is released.
Win win
I have a "chip on my shoulder" with people attributing things to reliable rumormongers without sharing the actual bit itself. It's how reliable rumormongers can get a bad rap and it's what places like BoLS/Faeit/Naftka thrive on.
They take an existing rumor from a reliable source, add a bit of their own "spin" to it, and then poof--they can start to put forth their own nonsense as being just as credible as those rumormongers.
I think in fairness Kan is right. The teased DG stuff is strictly 40k, absolutely no room for over-lap in the shown minis. Even if I think it is quite likely that Daemons and supplemental shared AoS models will follow (there just seems no way a GUO is not on the way), that is nothing but pure speculation, you could argue informed speculation, but speculation none-the-less.
Strictly speaking, this is 40k and only 40k thus far.
Oh, and that is Mortarion, let's not waste our time pretending otherwise. Scale. Match to leak. Weapon tech. There is no other possibility, though I certainly hope Typhus see's some love too as Ahriman did.
This is going to hurt. I just finished painting the last of my 1k sons and now I feel bad for jumping ship from my beloved first army CSM themed DG which are now truly DG. I am sorry Papa Nurgle, please forgive me.
I have a "chip on my shoulder" with people attributing things to reliable rumormongers without sharing the actual bit itself. It's how reliable rumormongers can get a bad rap and it's what places like BoLS/Faeit/Naftka thrive on.
They take an existing rumor from a reliable source, add a bit of their own "spin" to it, and then poof--they can start to put forth their own nonsense as being just as credible as those rumormongers.
A pedant might say that they do not specifically mention "dual-kit Pestigors for use in both 40k and AoS" but given the context it seems eminently reasonable. That, I think, was the point Thebiggesthat was trying to make.
I have a "chip on my shoulder" with people attributing things to reliable rumormongers without sharing the actual bit itself. It's how reliable rumormongers can get a bad rap and it's what places like BoLS/Faeit/Naftka thrive on.
They take an existing rumor from a reliable source, add a bit of their own "spin" to it, and then poof--they can start to put forth their own nonsense as being just as credible as those rumormongers.
A pedant might say that they do not specifically mention "dual-kit Pestigors for use in both 40k and AoS" but given the context it seems eminently reasonable. That, I think, was the point Thebiggesthat was trying to make.
Pestigors are Beastmen, not Daemons.
And Lady Atia is not Hastings.
That's the point I'm trying to make. It's one thing for there to be rumors for a "Nurgle Rotbringers" book(which, as some have mentioned, seemed like a certainty) and it's another thing for there to be rumors of reworked Daemons of Nurgle.
That's the point I'm trying to make. It's one thing for there to be rumors for a "Nurgle Rotbringers" book(which, as some have mentioned, seemed like a certainty) and it's another thing for there to be rumors of reworked Daemons of Nurgle.
I didn't realize that one was substantially less reliable than the other. To your second point, who suggested that there were such rumors? Someone saying "all but confirmed Nurgle in Aos" can be interpreted rather broadly.
On the one hand, the paint job on these new guys looks too... clean. Not enough of the armor looks corroded, rusted, blighted, etc. Hopefully, more of the models will have bloated/rotting organs spilling out of power armor, and pustules and open sores on skin or armor. Maybe some slime or sludge seeping out, too?
OTOH, those grins are downright creepy, and the cultist is spot on.
If the full release are up to my standards, my Word Bearers may have some new sickly neighbors...
I have a "chip on my shoulder" with people attributing things to reliable rumormongers without sharing the actual bit itself. It's how reliable rumormongers can get a bad rap and it's what places like BoLS/Faeit/Naftka thrive on.
They take an existing rumor from a reliable source, add a bit of their own "spin" to it, and then poof--they can start to put forth their own nonsense as being just as credible as those rumormongers.
A pedant might say that they do not specifically mention "dual-kit Pestigors for use in both 40k and AoS" but given the context it seems eminently reasonable. That, I think, was the point Thebiggesthat was trying to make.
Pestigors are Beastmen, not Daemons.
And Lady Atia is not Hastings.
That's the point I'm trying to make. It's one thing for there to be rumors for a "Nurgle Rotbringers" book(which, as some have mentioned, seemed like a certainty) and it's another thing for there to be rumors of reworked Daemons of Nurgle.
I said AoS Nurgle. But keep moving those goalposts. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic
Streetsamurai looking to twist the knife as I've called him out in the past as well
That's the point I'm trying to make. It's one thing for there to be rumors for a "Nurgle Rotbringers" book(which, as some have mentioned, seemed like a certainty) and it's another thing for there to be rumors of reworked Daemons of Nurgle.
I didn't realize that one was substantially less reliable than the other. To your second point, who suggested that there were such rumors? Someone saying "all but confirmed Nurgle in Aos" can be interpreted rather broadly.
I suggest you reread what I posted.
It's not that one is less reliable than the other. It's that claiming a statement from Lady Atia about Pestigors coming(which ties in to Nurgle Rotbringers for Age of Sigmar--Pestigors are a thing we've had traditionally in WHFB, but not 40k) is somehow the same statement from Hastings about Daemons of Nurgle getting a rework.
As to my second point? What Thebiggesthat said was that this Death Guard release is somehow proof of an AoS Nurgle release. Pestigors are not, as far as we know, a part of this. They certainly weren't shown in any of the stuff here like Tzaangors were for Thousand Sons.
So first we got Thousand Sons. Now, roughly six months later, we are getting Death Guard. Hopefully, if the two-data-point pattern () continues, we will see Emperor's Children this fall and a revamp of World Eaters early next year.
But really, Death Guard are my least favorite Legion. I have never cared for the grotesque nature of Nurgle stuff.
I am also hoping for new upgrade sprues like what Space Marines got for the remaining non-Cult legions. Give me Night Lords and Iron Warriors!
JohnnyHell wrote: So 1KSons had all Tartaros and Mk IV armour, and Death Guard appear to be the earlier Mk III and Cataphractii. ENiiiice.
Yes. That is pretty awesome. Makes conversions a lot easier. Also makes it so someone who wants to play Death Guard can just use the Mk III set and Cataphractii set if they don't want a Nurgle-Nurgle-ized army but still want to look the part.
JohnnyHell wrote: So 1KSons had all Tartaros and Mk IV armour, and Death Guard appear to be the earlier Mk III and Cataphractii. ENiiiice.
Yes. That is pretty awesome. Makes conversions a lot easier. Also makes it so someone who wants to play Death Guard can just use the Mk III set and Cataphractii set if they don't want a Nurgle-Nurgle-ized army but still want to look the part.
My 30k Death Guard are almost exclusively Mk3 and Cataphractii, won't stop me getting these beautoes though
JohnnyHell wrote: So 1KSons had all Tartaros and Mk IV armour, and Death Guard appear to be the earlier Mk III and Cataphractii. ENiiiice.
Yes. That is pretty awesome. Makes conversions a lot easier. Also makes it so someone who wants to play Death Guard can just use the Mk III set and Cataphractii set if they don't want a Nurgle-Nurgle-ized army but still want to look the part.
My 30k Death Guard are almost exclusively Mk3 and Cataphractii, won't stop me getting these beautoes though
Yeah...If I wanted to make Death Guard, it would be using their 30K color scheme and aesthetic, but with the 40K rules. The green and white contrast very well. Plus, less ick factor.
Makes me wonder what they would do for Emperor's Children and Khorne. Possibly a swap of the pairs. Mk IV and Cataphractii for EC, Mk III and Tartaros for WE? Though Mk IV and Tartaros pair incredibly well together.
JohnnyHell wrote: So 1KSons had all Tartaros and Mk IV armour, and Death Guard appear to be the earlier Mk III and Cataphractii. ENiiiice.
Yes. That is pretty awesome. Makes conversions a lot easier. Also makes it so someone who wants to play Death Guard can just use the Mk III set and Cataphractii set if they don't want a Nurgle-Nurgle-ized army but still want to look the part.
My 30k Death Guard are almost exclusively Mk3 and Cataphractii, won't stop me getting these beautoes though
Yeah...If I wanted to make Death Guard, it would be using their 30K color scheme and aesthetic, but with the 40K rules. The green and white contrast very well. Plus, less ick factor.
Makes me wonder what they would do for Emperor's Children and Khorne. Possibly a swap of the pairs. Mk IV and Cataphractii for EC, Mk III and Tartaros for WE? Though Mk IV and Tartaros pair incredibly well together.
Funnily enough I'm thinking 30k rules with 40k models (well, a mix) as a Siege of Terra force.
JohnnyHell wrote: So 1KSons had all Tartaros and Mk IV armour, and Death Guard appear to be the earlier Mk III and Cataphractii. ENiiiice.
Yes. That is pretty awesome. Makes conversions a lot easier. Also makes it so someone who wants to play Death Guard can just use the Mk III set and Cataphractii set if they don't want a Nurgle-Nurgle-ized army but still want to look the part.
My 30k Death Guard are almost exclusively Mk3 and Cataphractii, won't stop me getting these beautoes though
Yeah...If I wanted to make Death Guard, it would be using their 30K color scheme and aesthetic, but with the 40K rules. The green and white contrast very well. Plus, less ick factor.
Makes me wonder what they would do for Emperor's Children and Khorne. Possibly a swap of the pairs. Mk IV and Cataphractii for EC, Mk III and Tartaros for WE? Though Mk IV and Tartaros pair incredibly well together.
Funnily enough I'm thinking 30k rules with 40k models (well, a mix) as a Siege of Terra force.
Nice. That certainly works as well. You can keep your ick factor. I get enough of that at work (hospital nurse in medival/surgical ICU).
Makes me wonder what they would do for Emperor's Children and Khorne. Possibly a swap of the pairs. Mk IV and Cataphractii for EC, Mk III and Tartaros for WE? Though Mk IV and Tartaros pair incredibly well together.
Don't forget World Eaters armor was originally based off MkV Heresy Armor when Jes Goodwin did the WE sculpt.
Makes me wonder what they would do for Emperor's Children and Khorne. Possibly a swap of the pairs. Mk IV and Cataphractii for EC, Mk III and Tartaros for WE? Though Mk IV and Tartaros pair incredibly well together.
Don't forget World Eaters armor was originally based off MkV Heresy Armor when Jes Goodwin did the WE sculpt.
Good point. Perhaps Mk V and Indomitus Pattern for World Eaters?
At any rate, I am glad Chaos is getting more stuff. Between this and the all-but-guaranteed Mortarion, Death Guard will be looking pretty good.
(Still gross though. Until you have had to a wound dressing on a gaping abdominal wound with undigested food LEAKING out of the intestines, you won't understand)
I'm really excited if that confirms the leaked Mortarian - because that model is amazing looking (even if we can barely make it out from those pictures).
DG are pretty neat but I a more of an EC fan and the going rumor is Fulgrim will be the next Daemon Primarch kit.
That said, I am not above getting some DG if the models are super awesome - esp. true of Mortarion*, who I always liked more than XIV Legion, really. Just not really sure about some of these models, which maybe are a little too goofy - looking at you, creepy smile termie!
Also - does anyone else find Nurgle stuff hard to paint? Theoretically, it should be easy to make something look beat up and dirty but IME there is a thin line between a model that looks corroded and filthy and a model that just looks like a patchwork mess. In some ways, it's easier to paint a pristine suit of PA than a Nurgle-encrusted one. Here and here are pics of the first Nurgle model I ever attempted (a DG guy!) and I never liked how it turned out.
That's personal pet peeve of mine, people use "Nurgle" to justify the most haphazard and messy paint jobs.
I find Nurgle stuff fairly easy to get satisfactory results from, but you still need a coherent idea behind a scheme and to pay attention to things like the pattern of corrosion etc to get a good result.
They are okay. Not my thing. Look like marines to me. I liked the Thousand Sons release. The Lord of Change was simply sublime and GW at some of their best craftsmanship. Even Magnus looked great.
These look almost a little plain. Maybe seeing more might sway me.
Well, I'd actually buy some of these if they're reasonably priced. I hope they can be a bit toned down (or mixed with old MkIII suits etc.). They look very good, but are definitely over-the-top a bit and may not blend with more normal figures.
I think the blurry weapon in the Terminator picture is a dragon-mouthed Autocannon, a nod to yesteryear:
I hope Nurgle sees a slightly wider release as I'd like some quality plastic Pestigors or Plaguebearers. I'll only be doing a small 2nd ed. force (where marine armies are 20-30 models) but I'm happy to see these kits. The mutated cultists are prime Necromunda Outlanders or Gorkamorka material.
H.B.M.C. wrote: /tg/ are reporting the Death Guard main kit is a dual kit between vanilla Plague Marines and more warped/possessed Plague Marines.
Which means a 5-man box. Mother !
The saving grace of those dual kits is if you splash out another €10-15 on torsos and legs from a bits site, you can usually squeeze 2 units out of them. It's not ideal but it somewhat compensates for the high price tag.
Elbows wrote: Well, I'd actually buy some of these if they're reasonably priced. I hope they can be a bit toned down (or mixed with old MkIII suits etc.). They look very good, but are definitely over-the-top a bit and may not blend with more normal figures.
I think the blurry weapon in the Terminator picture is a dragon-mouthed Autocannon, a nod to yesteryear:
I hope Nurgle sees a slightly wider release as I'd like some quality plastic Pestigors or Plaguebearers. I'll only be doing a small 2nd ed. force (where marine armies are 20-30 models) but I'm happy to see these kits. The mutated cultists are prime Necromunda Outlanders or Gorkamorka material.
Plastic plaguebearers already exist are are fairly recent, no need for new ones.
I'm hoping this means we get a big Slaanesh release soon; hopefully with plastic Noise Marines and a fabulous, snaky Fulgrim. Tzeentch was treated very well recently after years of being shafted by Nurgle and Khorne. Slaanesh has gotten the shaft more so since I don't think there's been any new models since the daemonic combine harvester.
Been waiting awhile for more 40k Nurgle/Plaguey Chaos stuff, not as long as I did for the Genestealer cults, but long enough.
Would love for this to transfer into to AoS as well, but I'm fine if it's just 40k. I feel we do need a nice, big, plastic GUO to counter our new(ish) Bloodthirster, and BEAUTIFUL LoC kits.
Now if only they could do a whole 'Nurgle Takeover' where we get new 40k, AoS, and Bloodbowl stuff.
i have to believe that someday I'll have a new GW plastic Zoat in my hand, but, i can wait.
The other thing is that that character with the Old Skill Plasma gun and the big bell about his head is a clampack, so no 3-mini "Plague Lord" kit or something similar to the 3-mini Sorcerer kit the 1KSons got. Damned shame. That Sorcerer kit is incredible, and I was really hoping each of the other Chaos Gods would get something akin to that.
Starfarer wrote: I bet they do a 7 man box like the current plague marine box. I'm sure it will be $50-55 US though.
If it's a 7-man dual kit, then that's fine.
I would be shocked if it wasn't. I mean they are so obeseased with being 7 they forgot what legion they are.
One thing I will say is I feel like I've just dodged a bullet as I had 2 DG conversion sets and some autocannons in my cart from FW about a week ago and was a hair away from subitting the order when first the Shadow War news dropped and now this. I also sold off 4 sets of Mk3 marines I had set aside for DG conversions. I'm going to splurge on this release and these will work great as Chosen, Possessed and Havocs to compliment my core of FW plague marines.
Can't wait to field a fluffy DG force of like 40-50 plague marines in a 1500 point army.
Elbows wrote: Well, I'd actually buy some of these if they're reasonably priced. I hope they can be a bit toned down (or mixed with old MkIII suits etc.). They look very good, but are definitely over-the-top a bit and may not blend with more normal figures.
I think the blurry weapon in the Terminator picture is a dragon-mouthed Autocannon, a nod to yesteryear:
I hope Nurgle sees a slightly wider release as I'd like some quality plastic Pestigors or Plaguebearers. I'll only be doing a small 2nd ed. force (where marine armies are 20-30 models) but I'm happy to see these kits. The mutated cultists are prime Necromunda Outlanders or Gorkamorka material.
Plastic plaguebearers already exist are are fairly recent, no need for new ones.
These new plastics look awesome
You're right - I totally missed those. Last I had seen were the older ones (finecast maybe?). Good, a place to start then!
... this is not helping my current want to start a small Death Guard force... I mean, it was mostly for 30k at the start, but I'm not sure I could resist a full demon-prince Mortarion
Any guesses as to when we can expect this release? It's advertised as "Coming Soon" and I don't believe they've ever unveiled models like that which were more than a month or two away.
I'm curious as to whether there will be a more basic plague marine and then elite "big-bellied, bile spewing, PLAGUE marines". I suppose there really isn't a need for 4 types of armed infantry within the ranks of the army.
Once thing I notice is that a lot of the models in the preview are not the 'EAVY METAL quality, so they are most likely a display army, just as the KO in AoS display army was used in their promo. Here's hoping for more leaks!
I would guess that preorders will go up the last Saturday in April and Morty will grace the cover of the May White Dwarf. I think April will be dedicated to AoS Dwarves and Shadow War.
Starfarer wrote: I would be shocked if it wasn't. I mean they are so obeseased with being 7 they forgot what legion they are.
"Hey Mr. Death Guard. How you feeling today?"
"Seven!"
I'd be shocked if it was actually. I mean sure, it should be 7, but this is GW, and everything else that's a dual kit is 5-man (believe, there might be some exceptions), so why break the trend just 'cause Nurgle has a thing for one specific prime number?
And... obeseased? Intentional?
Starfarer wrote: One thing I will say is I feel like I've just dodged a bullet as I had 2 DG conversion sets and some autocannons in my cart from FW about a week ago and was a hair away from subitting the order when first the Shadow War news dropped and now this. I also sold off 4 sets of Mk3 marines I had set aside for DG conversions. I'm going to splurge on this release and these will work great as Chosen, Possessed and Havocs to compliment my core of FW plague marines.
As the proud owner of a pair of FW Death Guard Marine and Terminator Kits, let me say that this just adds to the force I already have. My Death Guard army spands miniatures from all but 1st Ed 40K, so I have the original three piece (four if the base counts) plastic Plague Marine minis, metal Plague Marines, FW Plague Marines, some scratch built ones made from the Chaos Marine kit plus a LOT of cutting and scraping, and an awesome Plague Terminator Lord, standing on that rocky thing that the plastic Terminator Lord kit has, with a pair of lightning claws. He looks great.
Personal stance on this, having sold 1 Death Guard army and built up another since 5th ed.
My current uses very few non-FW kits and stands as follows...
Typhus (non FW)
Chaos Terminator Lord
Chaos Sorcerer
Daemon Prince (non FW)
14 Terminators (2 squads of 5, 1 of 4)
28 Plague Marines (4 squads of 7)
3 Rhinos
3 Obliterators (non FW)
5 Raptors
5 Spawn (non FW)
10 Havocs (2 squads of 5 - 1 Autocannon, 1 Heavy Bolter)
I like the helmets matching up to the FW kit's helmets.
I like the use of the Mk III armour (I have literally just done a few squads with plastic Mk III as the base).
I dislike the overuse of mutations - mouths, tentacles, maws? Ew. No.
So that's put me off them straight off.
Maybe I'll buy a box or two and some possessed to mix and match? Maybe that mutated look with work with the Possessed?
The Terminator is...iffy. I hope they all don't look like that...those don't match with the FW kits at all.
The Cultist/Zombies? I love those. Even if only to use as Necromunda Scavvies or Inquisitorial henchmen!
I guess this release for me will probably be...
Morty
The inevitable Death Guard dice
A squad of Plague Marines and some Possessed to mix and match.
Well, on the one hand it's kind of annoying that I've just de-sprued 120 Mk3 Marines to make my DG force..
On the other hand, I can't believe this is finally happening! I've waited decades for good, multipart plastic Plague Marines (and to be honest I kind of like the old monopose ones anyway.
Whether it's 5-man or 7-man kits, I don't really mind, I won't be building them stock anyway, but rather spreading the new bits around my force combined with the plastic Mk3 kits, FW conversion kits, FW preheresy DG kits, etc.
Bits that have me excited:
- Plastic Death Guard helmets. OK, I got 200 of them custom-sculpted and cast up, but having official ones available is a bonus
- Mk1 Plasma Pistol/Gun on the Lord. love me some retro-style weapons
- the helmet and shoulderpad on the Icon Bearer, he looks brutal
- Two-handed weapons
- The Death's Head shoulderpad
- The unique backpacks
- Gutplates!
- That terminator appears to have mixed armour types - Cataphractii pad on the weapon arm and indomitus on the other
Things I'm not too hot on:
- The overall heavily-mutated look. I for one will be snipping off all those tentacles, erupting spikes and sculpting over that stomach-mouth. #NotMyDeathGuard
- That grinning maniac terminator. Headswap time
- That terminator having mixed armour probably points to us not getting rules for heresy-era Terminator armour in our armies. That sucks.
- Mutants. It's a personal preference thing, but my CSM army is made up of CSM, not cultists, or daemons, or zombies.
Things I hope we're getting but haven't been seen yet:
- Unique unit rules. Deathshroud would be lovely, rules for Power Scythes alone would be nice
- Plague Marine Heavy Weapons - Traitor legions gave us relentless, give us something to use it with other than Plasma Guns
- Palanquin model that doesn't require buying a special character?
Things I hope we're *not* getting that haven't been seen yet:
- We know that 8th will bring back the Movement stat (yay!) - I just hope we don't have to pay an initiative AND movement tax for our toughness.
JohnnyHell wrote:So 1KSons had all Tartaros and Mk IV armour, and Death Guard appear to be the earlier Mk III and Cataphractii. ENiiiice.
casvalremdeikun wrote:Yes. That is pretty awesome. Makes conversions a lot easier. Also makes it so someone who wants to play Death Guard can just use the Mk III set and Cataphractii set if they don't want a Nurgle-Nurgle-ized army but still want to look the part.
Makes me wonder what they would do for Emperor's Children and Khorne. Possibly a swap of the pairs. Mk IV and Cataphractii for EC, Mk III and Tartaros for WE? Though Mk IV and Tartaros pair incredibly well together.
Don't forget World Eaters armor was originally based off MkV Heresy Armor when Jes Goodwin did the WE sculpt.
Actually, while Jes' concept art (it's in The Gothic and the Eldritch, by the way) describes the World Eater as being in mark 5 armour, that miniature actually appeared slightly before the first "normal" mark 5 Marine, IIRC. If anything, the World Eater is the prototypical mark 5 armour.
The Emperor's Children marine from that same set (available until recently in the Traitors of Chaos set) is in mark 6 armour. If I were a betting man, I'd say World Eaters in mark 5 and a transitional Terminator armour like the suit Tyberos the Red Wake wears (indomitus with extra rivets), and Emperor's Children in mark 6 and Indomitus.
I'm really excited about this release, probably more than any other release in GW's recent history. Going to get at least one of each of the kits to go with all of the other unbuilt and unpainted DG stuff that I own. I'm definitely going to start assembling and painting now!
I can only guess at how excited I'll feel when GW finally update the Emperor's Children...
AndrewGPaul wrote: Actually, while Jes' concept art (it's in The Gothic and the Eldritch, by the way) describes the World Eater as being in mark 5 armour, that miniature actually appeared slightly before the first "normal" mark 5 Marine, IIRC. If anything, the World Eater is the prototypical mark 5 armour.
The Emperor's Children marine from that same set (available until recently in the Traitors of Chaos set) is in mark 6 armour. If I were a betting man, I'd say World Eaters in mark 5 and a transitional Terminator armour like the suit Tyberos the Red Wake wears (indomitus with extra rivets), and Emperor's Children in mark 6 and Indomitus.
Sounds likely to me. The notes on the sketches say that each Legion favoured a particular mark – Death Guard liked mark III for its durability, the Thousand Sons preferred the advanced nature of Mark IV, the World Eaters favoured Mark V for its brutal appearance and ease of maintenance, and the Emperor's Children had lots of Mark VI as a result of their relentless raiding and search for new experiences. If the sculptors follow that concept through, I'm very excited to see new Berserkers. Mark V is probably my favourite.
The New Death Guard are awesome. They won't get me starting a new army, but I love the look and the fact GW are hearkening back to the older material for Chaos. While I love the Horus Heresy setting, the corrupt, semi-organic/daemonic nature of Chaos Space Marines in 40k is what differentiates them from the Traitors of the early Heresy.
I really don't think Chaos Marines of all people should have neatly identifiable armour marks. With thousands of years of raiding, repairs, defectors from other warbands, new recruits, renegade Marines and maybe a mutation or two on top of adorning their suit with trophies, fetishes and devotional imagery noone should look the same. Boxing the traitor Legions and thus all OTHER cult Marines into a distinct look feels wrong. Yeah, maybe the preferred one design, but hardly anyone had a supply of purely on suit of armour and it's been ten thousand years for some and other started just yesteryear to pledge their souls away.
Seeing how old the Berzerker kit is, this is basically the only shot we get at Plague Marines and if they're all cearly Mk. 3 wearing Death Guard bloaters, what would WB/BL/other CSM players do. The release article for the 'zerkers actually made a point from the designers that all WE are Berzerkers, but not all Berzerkers are World Eaters and it'd be a shame if all upcoming Cult Marines kits would throw that design philosphy and background away for more armour mark pedantry. I blame Forgeworld for this and I don't like it. DV Chosen and CSM kit with their, well, chaotic look -> good, all Noise Marines sporting the same armour mark -> baaad. The Chosen should be the measuring stick for all CSM kits, with ornamented and twisted armour that you MIGHT identify as one Mk, but terribly disfigured by the life in service to the dak gods.
PS: I have both Word Bearers and Death Guard that want Plague Marines, so don't think I'm just peeved that I fee left out.
Binabik15 wrote: I really don't think Chaos Marines of all people should have neatly identifiable armour marks. With thousands of years of raiding, repairs, defectors from other warbands, new recruits, renegade Marines and maybe a mutation or two on top of adorning their suit with trophies, fetishes and devotional imagery noone should look the same. Boxing the traitor Legions and thus all OTHER cult Marines into a distinct look feels wrong. Yeah, maybe the preferred one design, but hardly anyone had a supply of purely on suit of armour and it's been ten thousand years for some and other started just yesteryear to pledge their souls away.
Seeing how old the Berzerker kit is, this is basically the only shot we get at Plague Marines and if they're all cearly Mk. 3 wearing Death Guard bloaters, what would WB/BL/other CSM players do. The release article for the 'zerkers actually made a point from the designers that all WE are Berzerkers, but not all Berzerkers are World Eaters and it'd be a shame if all upcoming Cult Marines kits would throw that design philosphy and background away for more armour mark pedantry. I blame Forgeworld for this and I don't like it. DV Chosen and CSM kit with their, well, chaotic look -> good, all Noise Marines sporting the same armour mark -> baaad. The Chosen should be the measuring stick for all CSM kits, with ornamented and twisted armour that you MIGHT identify as one Mk, but terribly disfigured by the life in service to the dak gods.
PS: I have both Word Bearers and Death Guard that want Plague Marines, so don't think I'm just peeved that I fee left out.
I think youre mistaking Chaos Warbands with Legions. The Legions are remnants of the original thousand sons/death guard and so on, vanilla csm are random warbands that pick up whatever they can find whilst raiding random agri worlds.
The legions are the guys that have been doing organized raids ordered by Magnus and Mortarion, which is shown in their rules as well since they have formation bonuses tied to VotLW that everyone must take.
You're free to model how you like of course. Though in my mind i will use my old CSM as a warband that might have mark of nurgle, but they will just be hangarounds to the real Deaths Guard Legion
*edit* also, its stated in the fluff that many legions have their own loyal forgeworlds or like the thousand sons, their own MKIV forge.
Binabik15 wrote: I really don't think Chaos Marines of all people should have neatly identifiable armour marks. With thousands of years of raiding, repairs, defectors from other warbands, new recruits, renegade Marines and maybe a mutation or two on top of adorning their suit with trophies, fetishes and devotional imagery noone should look the same. Boxing the traitor Legions and thus all OTHER cult Marines into a distinct look feels wrong. [...]The Chosen should be the measuring stick for all CSM kits, with ornamented and twisted armour that you MIGHT identify as one Mk, but terribly disfigured by the life in service to the dak gods.
I think that's a fair point. The background should feed into the design – I'd say it's one of, if not the, most important considerations – though a distinctive design relies on at least some identifiable and distinguishing marks. Picking a 'core armour' design helps the army to hang together visually; but you are, of course, able to kitbash these with other armour marks if you want a more rag-tag look.
In any case, I think the Death Guard have only a semi-uniform feel – judging from the Terminator's mish-mash of parts, at least some of the kits have exactly the look you're describing
Not bad, but not good either, with a small pinch of meh.
I suppose GW should be applauded for at least bringing them out, but to this critical eye, there are a number of issues with them.
For starters, the paint job is too 'clean' too 'smooth' for my liking. Not at all that different from what we've seen over the years. The models themselves can't be blamed for the painter, but this is the image GW is showing to the world, so there you go.
In the hands of another painter, with added oozy paint effects, perhaps the overall look could be more in line with the traditional view of Nurgle.
As for the models themselves, they look as though somebody kit bashed the Chaos Warriors+ Chaos possessed + green paint = new Death Guard.
Nothing wrong with that, but it looks like the sort of thing you could put together with your own bitz box. There are better examples on the dakka gallery in my book.
Death Guard have obviously been stuck in the warp for years, so some mutation is needed, but some remnants of their former loyalty to the Imperium also need to be there, so it's a fine line in getting that balance between the two.
In this instance, though, it's 60/40 in favour of power armour against level of mutations. IMO.
Decent looking models, but I think GW missed a trick on this one. YMMV.
Or, here's a crazy thought. Form an opinion based on the teaser while the teaser is the only thing available, and revise that opinion based on new information as it comes to light?
the alternative is to lock the thread until the full release, because by that logic ANY opinion - good OR bad - is invalid as we don't have all the information yet
Binabik15 wrote: I really don't think Chaos Marines of all people should have neatly identifiable armour marks. With thousands of years of raiding, repairs, defectors from other warbands, new recruits, renegade Marines and maybe a mutation or two on top of adorning their suit with trophies, fetishes and devotional imagery noone should look the same. Boxing the traitor Legions and thus all OTHER cult Marines into a distinct look feels wrong. Yeah, maybe the preferred one design, but hardly anyone had a supply of purely on suit of armour and it's been ten thousand years for some and other started just yesteryear to pledge their souls away.
Seeing how old the Berzerker kit is, this is basically the only shot we get at Plague Marines and if they're all cearly Mk. 3 wearing Death Guard bloaters, what would WB/BL/other CSM players do. The release article for the 'zerkers actually made a point from the designers that all WE are Berzerkers, but not all Berzerkers are World Eaters and it'd be a shame if all upcoming Cult Marines kits would throw that design philosphy and background away for more armour mark pedantry. I blame Forgeworld for this and I don't like it. DV Chosen and CSM kit with their, well, chaotic look -> good, all Noise Marines sporting the same armour mark -> baaad. The Chosen should be the measuring stick for all CSM kits, with ornamented and twisted armour that you MIGHT identify as one Mk, but terribly disfigured by the life in service to the dak gods.
PS: I have both Word Bearers and Death Guard that want Plague Marines, so don't think I'm just peeved that I fee left out.
I think youre mistaking Chaos Warbands with Legions. The Legions are remnants of the original thousand sons/death guard and so on, vanilla csm are random warbands that pick up whatever they can find whilst raiding random agri worlds.
The legions are the guys that have been doing organized raids ordered by Magnus and Mortarion, which is shown in their rules as well since they have formation bonuses tied to VotLW that everyone must take.
You're free to model how you like of course. Though in my mind i will use my old CSM as a warband that might have mark of nurgle, but they will just be hangarounds to the real Deaths Guard Legion
*edit* also, its stated in the fluff that many legions have their own loyal forgeworlds or like the thousand sons, their own MKIV forge.
Apologist wrote:
Binabik15 wrote: I really don't think Chaos Marines of all people should have neatly identifiable armour marks. With thousands of years of raiding, repairs, defectors from other warbands, new recruits, renegade Marines and maybe a mutation or two on top of adorning their suit with trophies, fetishes and devotional imagery noone should look the same. Boxing the traitor Legions and thus all OTHER cult Marines into a distinct look feels wrong. [...]The Chosen should be the measuring stick for all CSM kits, with ornamented and twisted armour that you MIGHT identify as one Mk, but terribly disfigured by the life in service to the dak gods.
I think that's a fair point. The background should feed into the design – I'd say it's one of, if not the, most important considerations – though a distinctive design relies on at least some identifiable and distinguishing marks. Picking a 'core armour' design helps the army to hang together visually; but you are, of course, able to kitbash these with other armour marks if you want a more rag-tag look.
In any case, I think the Death Guard have only a semi-uniform feel – judging from the Terminator's mish-mash of parts, at least some of the kits have exactly the look you're describing
dan2026 wrote:Don't forget that time flows differently in the warp.
10,000 years in real space might only be a few years or less in the warp.
So it is entirely possible that many CSM are still using their original armour.
I know all that* and I don't begrudge anyone wanting an all Mk3 Death Guard army or wishing for a specific mark of Termis. But from a design point I prefer a strong unit aesthetic that ties it together instead of certain armour quirks. Example: Leering skull faces, bunny ears and honking big chainaxes means Berzerkers, allowing for ancient WE Berzerkers with studded pads sporting their old heresy warplate and new traitors that decided to bolt some brass runes onto their new Mk8 gear and trade their gravguns against chainaxes with a rogue tech priest. In the same kit, given the right bits. And still everyone will clearly look like a 'Zerker. If all legs are distinctly Mk3 and plus crotch armour that is what woud make Plague Marines identifiable instead of bloated bellies, rusted knives and spiked helmets, you'd need to replace quite a big part of the model for a less uniformed look. And seeing a myriad of personalised splinter Warbands or "vanilla" CSMs on TOP OF dedicated Legion armies is something I like more than the current push for Legions over the rest. The 3.5 and the time around it with Index Traitoris articles was such a perfect mix in that regard, still salivating over that thing.
It's not too dramatic for myself, every single model I have for my DG is converted, but in principle I'd prefer Cult kits over overly specific Cult Legionaires kits wearing the armour mark FW decided on for their 30k kits. Everyone else can prefer having an army with the same style armour. But we can discuss it to pass time until their release -and wish for GW to specially cater to OUR wants in the one "Nurgle Marines" kit we'll see for the next twenty years, right .
*Though I want to add just how rare sizeable contingents of Legion Marines sticking together are, most DID break apart into warbands. Outside of the Black Legion, but, hey, they also get tons of defectors from other Legions and bands, so they'd still quite a mix of looks. Okay, and Rubrics, but they're all heretical Tzeentch-loving robots, anyway. And look at Talos. His particular squad has "only" about 300 years after the HH in their personal reality, but basically everyone's armour is mostly or even completely replaced by looted bits and repairs.
Edit: Btw, the first guy in the video and especially the blurry guy behind him with the single horn on his helmet are my favs so far (besides the grinning mutant who is the best thing shown since forever), what is everyone else liking?
While I'm excited about the prospect of all the plastics - I do echo the concerns here with the Death Guard models being a bit over-the-top compared to what I normally like. I'm cautiously optimistic though that they can be bashed with MkIII etc. to create slightly less extreme versions. If anything pick up a set and just cheery-pick bits from it to make the look I want.
Wish I hadn't eBayed those two MkIII squads I had sitting around the other week.
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's like you reviewed a whole movie having only seen it's trailer.
Having been involved in the GW hobby since the 1980s, spent thousands of pounds on miniatures over the years (including Death Guard) painted, glued, and collected more miniatures than I've had hot dinners, played almost every GW game under the sun etc etc
I'd like to think I know something about miniature wargames
I've yet to watch Terminator Genisys, but having watched the other films in the series, I'm fairly sure it features terminators in it
so when I see a few pictures of new GW miniatures, I'd like to think I have some experience and know something about them, which leads me to the conclusions I've made.
Galas wrote: People love to give their opinions for free on the internet
And jumping in to conclusions too, because waiting for solid sources before giving an opinion its for Tau!
Internet its our own version of the Warp.
It's almost as if we've already had a teaser trailer showing off a good number of the models in the kit or something, including the paint scheme and style.
The worst part about this 'golden age' nonsense is the upsurge of fanboys who take any opportunity to smugly slate people for giving opinions.
Something else has been bugging about these new Death Guard and I've finally got to the bottom of it: GW has recycled the paint scheme from an old White Dwarf! the swine's!
One of the advantages of having a vast collection of WD magazines is that you can take GW to task if they try and cut back on creativity.
White Dwarf, 347, December 2008, has a painting guide for a Nurgle Chaos Warrior's lord on mutated steed.
It's a nice scheme, and there's nothing wrong with re-using it, but if GW think they can catch me out, they can think again.
And with the new paints we've had since 2008, I'd expect more ooze, not a re-hashed paint scheme
What part of green and brass was gonna change, exactly? :-/ Not sure if serious... the sheer number of Orkmoticons is confusing as to sarcasm or sincerity!
While not a big fan of old papa Nurgle (always been a Khorne fan myself) I have to admit - these models look fantastic.
While I dare say the paint scheme seems a little "clean" I can see why. GW want people to buy these models. If the paint job looks really hard then people might subconsciously not buy them because of the difficult to paint factor.
However, the sculpts are spot on. From the random tentacles, mouths, and general decayed, burst armour it's all top notch. I especially like the smiles - What makes them more horrifying and disturbing is not that they are vicious and murderers, but they are happy. Truly, wonderfully happy that their god loves them for who and what they are and gives gifts like candy. They are happy because of this, and just want to spread his love. Gives me chills, how do you fight an enemy that isn't driven by greed, lust or anger, glory or reward but blissful happiness?
Also, Mortarion hype, that will give old Cyclops red head himself less exposure!
Absolutely, there is a good rational to why GW have done this 'clean' paint scheme, and I get it. It also fits in nicely with their tutorials and their shift to a painting ethos of base, shade, highlight, which I believe has been their whole approach to making and selling paints for younger customers these past 5-6 years.
But from the viewpoint of the average gamer/collector, I fully expect people to go to town with the ooze and decay, and I hope we'll see some good examples of this in the dakka gallery.
Galas wrote: People love to give their opinions for free on the internet
And jumping in to conclusions too, because waiting for solid sources before giving an opinion its for Tau!
Internet its our own version of the Warp.
It's almost as if we've already had a teaser trailer showing off a good number of the models in the kit or something, including the paint scheme and style.
The worst part about this 'golden age' nonsense is the upsurge of fanboys who take any opportunity to smugly slate people for giving opinions.
So are we now giving fanboys tags again when somebody think that people its jumping on conclusions and acting as this its the end of the world? How fast we have reached that point.
Please, I know this its the internet, but I expect respect when I respect others. Restrain from using generic tags, please. Education its a scarse virtue today.
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's like you reviewed a whole movie having only seen it's trailer.
Having been involved in the GW hobby since the 1980s, spent thousands of pounds on miniatures over the years (including Death Guard) painted, glued, and collected more miniatures than I've had hot dinners, played almost every GW game under the sun etc etc
I'd like to think I know something about miniature wargames
I've yet to watch Terminator Genisys, but having watched the other films in the series, I'm fairly sure it features terminators in it
so when I see a few pictures of new GW miniatures, I'd like to think I have some experience and know something about them, which leads me to the conclusions I've made.
Regarding terminator genisys, wow you chose that example poorly The doctor is the terminator and now its DIGITAL... its a mess... anyway
Personally i think they look great and i hope i can avoid as much modeled gunk as possible. If you want to cover your minis in rivers of Nurgles Rot you can, but i dont feel that everyone that follows nurgle Must be a river of pus and refuse. People that cover their models in typhys corrosion do it because they cant paint for gak
Concering the paint job it looks quite similar to their newer Nurgle-Daemons, which is a shame, as GW tends to paint those Daemons horribly clean. Nice models with gruesome details - yet they are doing their best to not show that in their presentation. Maybe to not frighten some parents, I dont know.
SickSix wrote: The plague marines shown are a bit too mutated for my taste. But there is a rumor its a dual kit, so maybe there is a toned down option.
Ahahaha no. There'll be 'mutated' and 'extra mutated', blatantly. :-D
That would be kinda left field. It's pretty hard to ignore those vehicles in the picture, but what would that even be? That doesn't even resemble a rhino chassis. The two dozer blades have some pretty significant differences, both to each other and to the existing ones.
It looks more like the GSC rockgrinder tbh. The right one seems to have a sort of dual gatling gun on top as well as a turret on its left....though that could just be a second spiked dome.
I didn't mean the blade itself, I meant the whole design. There doesn't seem to be any opening to the blade either. Like it's just a turret that shoots from behind and over, which would fit the slimethrower description.
Is there anything that resembles this in epic 40k?
Those models are all fantastic. I won't be buying any besides Mortarion (cause Primarch, I don't care if he lives on my shelf), as I don't play Death Guard, but they really are great, especially those cultists.
Manchu wrote: I wonder if Mortarion will be part of a Triumvirate box or a stand alone like Magnus? As a daemon Primarch, I suppose he could be as big as Magnus.
mmmm, nurgle. A mate just did an awesome job on a mk2 landraider that i brought years ago off ebay for my HHDG, it was a piece of hot garbage, he's turned it in to an awesome nurgle landraider and then the next day this gets announced! And there I was worried I'd have nothing to put in it! Grand Father Nurgle provides for his children
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Absolutely, there is a good rational to why GW have done this 'clean' paint scheme, and I get it. It also fits in nicely with their tutorials and their shift to a painting ethos of base, shade, highlight, which I believe has been their whole approach to making and selling paints for younger customers these past 5-6 years.
Hasn't "base coat, shade, highlight" always been the way? I've got a painting guide from 1990 that follows those steps.
More importantly, it means you can clearly see all the bits of the miniature. I'm not a fan of the heavily weathered look of a lot of Forge World's Heresy Death Guard, because the weathering obscures the shapes of the model underneath.
Bi'ios wrote: Those models are all fantastic. I won't be buying any besides Mortarion (cause Primarch, I don't care if he lives on my shelf), as I don't play Death Guard, but they really are great, especially those cultists.
Agreed. Morty, like Magnus, is getting bought to go on shelf. As will every dameon primarch they drop on us.
aracersss wrote: the more I see it ... the more I get the impression DG might get a vehicle or something else
Very interesting.
These definitely appear to be death guard specific tanks. Seeing as GW don't make art for models that do't exist, I'd be willing to bet we'll be seeing these as part of the release. It also makes sense as DG have a heavy "armored" component to their lore.
I think there's probably some kits/models that were purposely left out of the preview, not just Mortarion. Here's hoping that this actually comes through!
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Something else has been bugging about these new Death Guard and I've finally got to the bottom of it: GW has recycled the paint scheme from an old White Dwarf! the swine's!
One of the advantages of having a vast collection of WD magazines is that you can take GW to task if they try and cut back on creativity.
White Dwarf, 347, December 2008, has a painting guide for a Nurgle Chaos Warrior's lord on mutated steed.
It's a nice scheme, and there's nothing wrong with re-using it, but if GW think they can catch me out, they can think again.
And with the new paints we've had since 2008, I'd expect more ooze, not a re-hashed paint scheme
To be honest, that paint scheme has been my go-to for my newer Death Guard army since conception.
Hell, that White Dwarf is practically a treasured possession. I have pots of mixed paint as a result.
I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
There's a difference between being bloated, with innards spilling out, boils and exposed wounds (such as with the FW upgrade kits) and comically sharp toothed random mouths, random horns everywhere and rat tail tentacles.
One's a very specific, thematic type of mutation that meshes very well with the Death Guard's whole aesthetic. The other is just random and pointless.
DarkStarSabre wrote: There's a difference between being bloated, with innards spilling out, boils and exposed wounds (such as with the FW upgrade kits) and comically sharp toothed random mouths, random horns everywhere and rat tail tentacles. One's a very specific, thematic type of mutation that meshes very well with the Death Guard's whole aesthetic. The other is just random and pointless.
Well the first describes sickness and contagion whereas the second describes actual mutation. Aren't those the two sides of the same Nurgley gurgley coin?
I've never played 40k but if 8th edition is anything like AoS I'll definitely be grabbing these Death Guard. So awesome.
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
There's a difference between being bloated, with innards spilling out, boils and exposed wounds (such as with the FW upgrade kits) and comically sharp toothed random mouths, random horns everywhere and rat tail tentacles.
One's a very specific, thematic type of mutation that meshes very well with the Death Guard's whole aesthetic. The other is just random and pointless.
Going to have to disagree there. If anything, spilling innards, boils, and open wounds is overdone and doesn't properly portray the tainted mutation that a mortal would undergo after prolonged Warp exposure. They shouldn't just be zombies wearing Space Marine armor.
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
There's a difference between being bloated, with innards spilling out, boils and exposed wounds (such as with the FW upgrade kits) and comically sharp toothed random mouths, random horns everywhere and rat tail tentacles.
One's a very specific, thematic type of mutation that meshes very well with the Death Guard's whole aesthetic. The other is just random and pointless.
Going to have to disagree there. If anything, spilling innards, boils, and open wounds is overdone and doesn't properly portray the tainted mutation that a mortal would undergo after prolonged Warp exposure. They shouldn't just be zombies wearing Space Marine armor.
That is literally what they are though. Every description of them goes down that line. Every description of them is as literally walking dead, immune to pain, bloated and their armour distended and warped to be like flesh.
It's almost like Nurgle has very, very specific tastes and patterns in his gifts.
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
There's a difference between being bloated, with innards spilling out, boils and exposed wounds (such as with the FW upgrade kits) and comically sharp toothed random mouths, random horns everywhere and rat tail tentacles.
One's a very specific, thematic type of mutation that meshes very well with the Death Guard's whole aesthetic. The other is just random and pointless.
I mean, aren't both of those things, separately and combined, part of the Nurgle scheme? Plus, the Plague Marine kit allegedly has the bits to make both varieties of dudes, so that honestly sounds like an effort to please multiple parties interpretation of Nurglish (Nurgilite?) Plague Marines.
I like NL the most, but I do like stuff from evey Chaos god here and there.
Now; I can't see why this can't have something for AoS.
I'm not saying it has to have an AoS use, but I can easily see those cultist mutants as the light infantry for Rotbringers, if the weapons and googles are available as optional assembles.
Of course I could be wrong, but it'll be nice if it happens.
While I understand the concern about these being "overdone" with mutations, over-the-top thematic detailing is the norm for GW, especially of late with the crisp digital sculpts. (Seriously, I can't think of one release since 2015 that hasn't had overbearing amounts of detail) I rather like the look; it's a far cry from the bland aesthetic of the now ancient CSM plastic kit. This is a concerted effort to show what a few millennia in the warp and exposures to plagues and illness do to the astrates.
You can always trim off those tentacles I suppose, but Papa Nurgle won't be all too pleased.
DarkStarSabre wrote: That is literally what they are though. Every description of them goes down that line. Every description of them is as literally walking dead, immune to pain, bloated and their armour distended and warped to be like flesh.
Apologies for the tangent but this is not quite right. The second encounter with Nurgle in the Horusy Heresy series, in Flight of the Eisenstein includes
Spoiler:
the complete mutation of a space marine into the Lord of Flies creature.
DarkStarSabre wrote: That is literally what they are though. Every description of them goes down that line. Every description of them is as literally walking dead, immune to pain, bloated and their armour distended and warped to be like flesh.
Apologies for the tangent but this is not quite right. The second encounter with Nurgle in the Horusy Heresy series, in Flight of the Eisenstein includes
Spoiler:
the complete mutation of a space marine into the Lord of Flies creature.
That is a very specific case - as a general description the Plague Marine being bloated, dead and impervious to pain is still the way I prefer them. I prefer the odd contradiction of 'clean' and dirty in the same model. Now if you want to strap on tentacles galore and extra mouths and tongues slathering all over the place...
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
Just as long as the kit can do "clean" Death Guard (as clean as Plague Marines can get, that is) and the super-mutated/possessed/Chosen Death Guard then that's fine. Everybody wins... unless the box has 5 models, in which case we mostly lose.
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
Just as long as the kit can do "clean" Death Guard (as clean as Plague Marines can get, that is) and the super-mutated/possessed/Chosen Death Guard then that's fine. Everybody wins... unless the box has 5 models, in which case we mostly lose.
Yeah. 5 models would suck. And make squads of 7 pointlessly expensive in actual money. That would potentially hamper my plans to buy a box of the new Plague Marines and a box of Possessed to mix up to create a Possessed squad.
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
Just as long as the kit can do "clean" Death Guard (as clean as Plague Marines can get, that is) and the super-mutated/possessed/Chosen Death Guard then that's fine. Everybody wins... unless the box has 5 models, in which case we mostly lose.
Well Tzeentch's holy number is 9 right? But Thousand Sons got 10 in the box.
I hope there are options for less mutated. Maybe they would do a combo box of seven?
If people are so set on the clean Nurgle look there has been a FW plague marine conversion kit for years, kit bash that with the prospero or Calth marines and they look pretty damn good it's what Iv done with my chosen and havocs who look even better with some FW weapon sets
I'm quite happy GW went with the dirty mutated look for the deathguard marines as it suits them pretty damn well since they were the first plague marines,
I wonder how much the plague zombies will cost hopefully they are dirt cheap (cheaper than cultists) so they can be easily spammed as cannon fodder
SickSix wrote: Well Tzeentch's holy number is 9 right? But Thousand Sons got 10 in the box.
Is that a good comparison?
You can do a squad of 9 straight from the 1KSons box. A box of 5 Death Guard would prevent you from doing a 7-man squad. Do you see how this is the complete opposite?
plagueknight wrote: If people are so set on the clean Nurgle look there has been a FW plague marine conversion kit for years, kit bash that with the prospero or Calth marines and they look pretty damn good it's what Iv done with my chosen and havocs who look even better with some FW weapon sets
And how long d'ya reckon they'll stick around once the Deathguard kit comes out?
My fear isn't heavily mutated Death Guard. My fear is the Fanderlisation of the Death Guard.
SickSix wrote: Well Tzeentch's holy number is 9 right? But Thousand Sons got 10 in the box.
Is that a good comparison?
You can do a squad of 9 straight from the 1KSons box. A box of 5 Death Guard would prevent you from doing a 7-man squad. Do you see how this is the complete opposite?
plagueknight wrote: If people are so set on the clean Nurgle look there has been a FW plague marine conversion kit for years, kit bash that with the prospero or Calth marines and they look pretty damn good it's what Iv done with my chosen and havocs who look even better with some FW weapon sets
And how long d'ya reckon they'll stick around once the Deathguard kit comes out?
My fear isn't heavily mutated Death Guard. My fear is the Fanderlisation of the Death Guard.
Probably not long once the new kit hits but we have no idea when that will be likewise with 8th it's coming but when which is why Iv already ordered a few more of the kits now to avoid disappointment when they get discontinued with recasters being the only source
I'm literally an idiot but want do you mean by fanderlisation of the death guard????? a bit hard to understand
And how long d'ya reckon they'll stick around once the Deathguard kit comes out?
My fear isn't heavily mutated Death Guard. My fear is the Fanderlisation of the Death Guard.
Oh I think the FW kit will be around a while, considering that FW are still selling Cataphractii and Tartaros terminator kits while there are (vastly superior, IMO, and cheaper) plastic kits available
they're still selling MK3 and Mk4 marines after the plastic ones came out. It's been quite a while since FW pulled a kit because GW had a plastic version out
and that's for kits that are very similar, the FW Death Guard upgrade kit looks completely different to these models - none of the teasers show the traditional DG pickelhaube-style helmet anywhere, much less any indication that you'll be able to have whole squads of them, so the FW kit still has a niche to fill.
Of course, FWcould pull the kit regardless, just like they could pull any kit, at any time, for any reason, I just don't think there's sufficient cause to consider it likely.
As far as flanderisation (I assume that's what you meant), I don't see how that applies, what small aspect of the DG do you fear becoming exaggerated to the point that it overtakes other aspects of the legion?
When the new sets come out, we will have SO many options for creating our forces, everyone can have their cake and eat it.
- The new kits, however many there are
- The new Mk3 marines, which make perfectly good Death Guard as-is
- Chaos Space Marines, which almost all of us have slapped some GS on to make Plague Marines
- Current Plague Marines - One of my least favourite Plague Marine kits, but if you like your DG to be mutated, this is a great kit. Bit hard to find at the moment, and I concede this particular kit is likely to be removed
- Forgeworld's Death Guard Legion Upgrade Set - perfect for those of us who like our DG a bit less mutated but still distinct. It's expensive, but IMO worth it (cheaper if you get the whole tactical squad for £90, you're effectively getting the plastics for £2, but you're stuck with Mk4 armour - perhaps FW will do a bundle with Iron armour at some point?)
- the Death Guard conversion set - personally one of my faves, I have so many of this set. As someone who's not a huge fan of mutation, I tend to leave out the champion
Look at all those kits, all those parts, all those potential configurations of parts and tell me that we need to worry about DG being dragged towards either the "too mutated" or "Too clean" routes, Whichever one you want, we have a huge range of options (and this is just official FW/GW kits, no 3rd parties) so everyone can model their army their own way.
If the new kits are not to your liking, don't use them, or only use the bits you like, or convert them into something you do like - the same options that have been available with every model anyone has ever produced, and ever will, for the rest of time.
Darth Bob wrote: I don't really...get...the complaints of these Death Guard being too mutated. Like, Death Guard are the Space Marine poster boys for horrible growths, nasty mutations, and other gross stuff erupting from their bodies. Like, saying a Nurgle model is "too mutated" is like saying an Ork looks "too brutish." Like, what were you guys expecting from Nurgle Marines, exactly?
There's a difference between being bloated, with innards spilling out, boils and exposed wounds (such as with the FW upgrade kits) and comically sharp toothed random mouths, random horns everywhere and rat tail tentacles.
One's a very specific, thematic type of mutation that meshes very well with the Death Guard's whole aesthetic. The other is just random and pointless.
I have to disagree with that. The random horn are something that's on his Plague Bearers as well, and most nurgle daemons possess such as well and it's always been listed as a very common mutation for those of Nurgle's followers. The teeth is likely just to represent the whole "Cheerful plaguemasters" aesthetic.. The rat tail tentacles may be the least common of the three however, and is one I'm uncertain of.
Charax wrote: Oh I think the FW kit will be around a while, considering that FW are still selling Cataphractii and Tartaros terminator kits while there are (vastly superior, IMO, and cheaper) plastic kits available they're still selling MK3 and Mk4 marines after the plastic ones came out. It's been quite a while since FW pulled a kit because GW had a plastic version out
That's a good point actually. Hadn't considered that.
Charax wrote: - Current Plague Marines - One of my least favourite Plague Marine kits, but if you like your DG to be mutated, this is a great kit. Bit hard to find at the moment, and I concede this particular kit is likely to be removed
Yeah this one'll be replaced. I've got a couple of these boxes. It's odd to buy what are essentially metal Bolter Marines, but I liked the kit.
Charax wrote: - Forgeworld's Death Guard Legion Upgrade Set - perfect for those of us who like our DG a bit less mutated but still distinct. It's expensive, but IMO worth it (cheaper if you get the whole tactical squad for £90, you're effectively getting the plastics for £2, but you're stuck with Mk4 armour - perhaps FW will do a bundle with Iron armour at some point?)
Now they're very cool, but I sold my 30K soul to the World Eaters.
in all seriousness, I understand what you mean - although I think the real distinction here is between more or less cartoonish (see also FW Roboute versus 40k Roboute)
stewe128 wrote: If ya look closely on one of the photos there's the handles for some nurgle biker action. Oooooooo
I was intrigued by that but looking closer to two picture you can clearly see it is one of the marines on foot bearing an axe or something (an encenser of pest maybe ?)
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Darth Bob wrote: I'm hoping this means we get a big Slaanesh release soon; hopefully with plastic Noise Marines and a fabulous, snaky Fulgrim. Tzeentch was treated very well recently after years of being shafted by Nurgle and Khorne. Slaanesh has gotten the shaft more so since I don't think there's been any new models since the daemonic combine harvester.
well it is quite the logical thing. I hope they will release at last a nice keeper of secret
The Changer of Ways is and always shall be my favored Dark Power, but damned if The Plague Father's forces don't have a hell of a lot of personality. This stuff looks amazing!
I don't play DG but personally, I like the new designs. Including them mutations. It seems they are limited to horns and worm-like tentacles which is perfectly within the norm of nurgle gifts. Every other csm grows horns, these happen to be in the shape of nurgle daemon horns, which makes sense.
What I don't like are some suspiciously medieval looking parts and that terminator head. And by head I mean helmet more that the smile. It bears no resemblance to any kind of mark. I looks like the face is hatching from an egg ^_-.
But yea, mostly I think the new kits look great. I'd be anxiously awaiting the full reveal though as I could easily see some of these bordering on possession level mutations (which would be bad), like that huge mouth...unless that's exactly what we're looking at?
aracersss wrote: I fear this whole lot will be mkIII exclusive ... so far everything points that way
Considering it seems to be copying FW style of the deathguard being mostly mrk3 I would say you are right, which I like as I prefer mrk3 but each to their own
ph34r wrote: Is that a problem in any way? Are you afraid you will not be able to swap heads or legs or anything?
It certainly isn't, but just pointing out variety is welcome
I think every image we've seen of them has been in MK III armor. I guess you can take some solace in the fact that one variant of the marines can be equipped with even more bulky "mutated" front armor pieces, vs the standard MK III torso front. It could be that they're the proper "plague marines" while the rest are CSM with mark of Nurgle, but we won't know until more leaks come out.
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As far as variety in terms of mixing armor types, it's unlikely if it follows the Thousand sons release model, but the DG terminator in the leaks did appear to have a mix of shoulder pad marks so...
A bit of a shame all the Terminators appear to be Cataphractii but the FW Deathshroud Termies wear Tartaros... you'd think they might have some of those kicking around?
As someone who collects almost exclusively to satisfy my personal sense of aesthetics (Currently have Orks, and Iron Warriors) I thought that I wasn't going to paint anything else. Now I'm convinced my Iron Warriors need to have an alliance with some Death Guard or maybe some Nurgle blessed Iron Warriors? Does anyone think Nurgle IW would be fluffy?
matphat wrote: As someone who collects almost exclusively to satisfy my personal sense of aesthetics (Currently have Orks, and Iron Warriors) I thought that I wasn't going to paint anything else. Now I'm convinced my Iron Warriors need to have an alliance with some Death Guard or maybe some Nurgle blessed Iron Warriors? Does anyone think Nurgle IW would be fluffy?
The beauty of Chaos is that the various independent Warbands can easily decide to do their own thing. Even the Night Lords, the posterboys for "Uw, I don't like Chaos" still have a lot of Legionnaires who throw their lot in with the Gods.
So yeah, a bunch of Iron Warriors who took up Nurgle worship - willingly or otherwise - I'd say is fine.
JohnnyHell wrote: A bit of a shame all the Terminators appear to be Cataphractii but the FW Deathshroud Termies wear Tartaros... you'd think they might have some of those kicking around?
Deathshroud can/could chose their type, but do have modeled Tartaros. The Grave Wardens, which were Typhon's dudes, wore all Cataphractii and are likely the guys who became the first Plague Terminators, so it makes sense they'd be modeled in Cat.
While we're on the subject - what do people recommend for Deathguard-esque helmets? Got some MkIII on the way and will be "lightly" plagueing them up --- would like to get some quality gas masks, pickelhaube-esque helmets etc.
I see Anvil has some and Victoria Miniatures have some bare masked heads. FW stuff looks completely crap to me. Alternatives?
Elbows wrote: While we're on the subject - what do people recommend for Deathguard-esque helmets? Got some MkIII on the way and will be "lightly" plagueing them up --- would like to get some quality gas masks, pickelhaube-esque helmets etc.
I see Anvil has some and Victoria Miniatures have some bare masked heads. FW stuff looks completely crap to me. Alternatives?
Instead of full heads check these out. You can add them to any bear head you like.
Loopstah wrote: I just bought some of the Forge World Legion helmets. A bit of green stuff and they should be easy to plague-up to fit with the rest of them.
He said we doesn't actually like the way the FW heads look. Other wise I would agree lol
Has any new info been released on this? I'm keen as a bean to start when they hit but would like to hear something. There seems to be nothing except the Shadow Wars going on at the moment...
That'll be because that's the current release and DG was a future sneak peek. When it's DG's turn to be promoted and there's more to see we'll all see it... until then, no one will know more.
Based on the WarCom / Gama info and Hastings rumors the release schedule may look like this
May - Death Guard and plastic Thunderhawk
June - 8th Edition 40k big rulebook and the new app
July - AoS (maybe Shadowelves, but Hastings said they could be much later)
August - 8th Edition starter set (including Mark X miniatures, we could see a general release earlier though)
I'll definitely be picking some DG stuff up to use in Shadow War. Marines and Cultists (plague zombies), with Terminators as specialists, with marks of Nurgle.
I have a break from Friday to mid-May. I really want more DG and those plague persons would make a great base for a Scavvy gang now that Necromunda was brought back to my mind. So I hope they're really EARLY May. Urgh. If they release Murgle Marines just after I had six weeks for hobby stuff and from then on never again (semester) breaks or vacations that long...that'd suck
This is shaping up to be the most expensive year yet. And it's only April 2nd!! I think previous winner was 2014 w/8th ed Fantasy dwarf release ($1000 at least on those) And like $4K *cough cough* on GW/FW/BL products that year
Hah, my birthday month as well. I don't think I've asked for anything for my bday in years (I still get a few gifts). I might actually put the word out to my relatives for a few of these kits. Time for a little selfishness.
Hah, my birthday month as well. I don't think I've asked for anything for my bday in years (I still get a few gifts). I might actually put the word out to my relatives for a few of these kits. Time for a little selfishness.
Well they always say the greatest are born in may. Light the beacons and hand out flyers.
... so by the rumor mill ... this week is the individual terrain pieces and the made to order bloodbowl. The 15th should be duardin, and the 22th shadespire ... that would leave the 29th for possibly DG
aracersss wrote: ... so by the rumor mill ... this week is the individual terrain pieces and the made to order bloodbowl. The 15th should be duardin, and the 22th shadespire ... that would leave the 29th for possibly DG
15th and 22nd are Duardin. Shadespire is coming later in the year.
Yeah, I just think the teasers at the con were just that - teasers. Not ready for mass consumption. I'm sure you'll get a heap of info/WD etc. when it all comes out.
I think people are so used the GW only revealing products a few weeks before release that they don't know how to handle longer teaser times. I know the rest of this month is supposed to be Kharadron Overlords, so I wouldn't expect the Death Guard release until at least the beginning of May. Since we haven't seen any leaks, it'll probably be longer than that.
I've been hyped before, but that's fizzled close to release, this time feels different! I guess in the information age where everything is a few keystrokes away I should learn some patience! I just really want to paint those awesome looking minis from the teaser
Really though, while the models are super cool for those who like Nurgle (and objectively great quality anyway) Im most interested in the release to see if it has fantasy tie in aspects like tzeentch’s did, because it's going to really set me up for the return of slaanesh. And I can't wait to see what models come out of that.
Slaangors, Noise Marine Terminators, plastic Fiends, some plastic HQ/Elite unit, bit like the 3-pack of Sorcerers that 1KSons got, plus plastic Lucius and plastic Fulgrim.
I'd also like a return to the Diaz daemonette aesthetics. For me, despite only coming into the ho by shortly before they were changed out the change in daemonettes is when GW started slowly circling down the drain. This new golden era of GW should be heralded by plastic custodians, chaos legions, actually cool AoS releases, and plastic boobies.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Slaangors, Noise Marine Terminators, plastic Fiends, some plastic HQ/Elite unit, bit like the 3-pack of Sorcerers that 1KSons got, plus plastic Lucius and plastic Fulgrim.
That's what we want!
And indeed plastic Noise Marines in general - where more than one of them gets the signature weapon. That'd be nice.
aracersss wrote: I seriously doubt the exalted sorcerers will be the norm for the other two patrons ... it was just convenient with TS
Not so much a box of three Sorcerers, just something along the same sort of contents (a small-sized unit of highly detailed models for roughly the same price band).
I think we need to accept that this just isn't going to happen. The current Daemonette kits are a lock and will be for a very long time. They're not about to redesign them for a new release. They had their plastic release, and that's it. Now we're just waiting for a box'o'Fiends, preferably with 3 in the box.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: And indeed plastic Noise Marines in general - where more than one of them gets the signature weapon. That'd be nice.
If the 1KSons kit can come with a flamer for every model, a Noise Marine kit can come with a Sonic Blaster for every model. With luck it'll have two Blastmasters as well, so we can finally do a Havoc Squad with 4 of them (2 boxes - 4 in one box would be unrealistic).
I think we need to accept that this just isn't going to happen. The current Daemonette kits are a lock and will be for a very long time. They're not about to redesign them for a new release. They had their plastic release, and that's it. Now we're just waiting for a box'o'Fiends, preferably with 3 in the box.
I agree in that it's unrealistic to expect that to happen, and I don't honestly think it will happen, but it is something I still want
There is part of me that hopes them doing the made to order deamonettes sent them a positive message about the demand for them though.
In any case, I do expect the eventual Slaanesh release to be a big one, and have some surprises.
FFS its mid April, when are we gonna see something new on this. Im glad they are showing stuff early, but Im sitting here holding on to the money for one of everything and I am trying to keep my wife from spending it.
I'd expect the 3 fiends in a box to be the similar box set to the exalted sorcs. Tzeentch didn't need that with its screamers; they were already plastic and are awesome. Fiends and Plague Beasts both need that treatment. It's an easy marketing decision. I've had a full Daemon army since the beginning...and I've never had a BoN in. Why? Cuz the models suck. I'd buy new ones in plastic!!
Hello everyone, I am super pumped for these new releases. I can hardly hold on to my seat.
A couple of things for people who look poorly on some of the aspects:
These look too mutated
Death Guard are not for you, congratulations on saving money
The paint job isn't the way I personally like it, therefore I am liking this release less
Umm.. paint it differently?
The way these are painted shows off the detail properly.
I don't like that they are all mark III!!!!
They hardly look like mark three, and nothing is stopping you kit bashing your other marks in
It has been a while since I have been on this site, and this thread reminded me why. Rather than talking about the release, there is instant negativity based on 4 pictures.
There is whining how it doesn't suit your personal army.
There is whinging about the aethetics.
Wait for full release, and buy it or don't.
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redleger wrote: FFS its mid April, when are we gonna see something new on this. Im glad they are showing stuff early, but Im sitting here holding on to the money for one of everything and I am trying to keep my wife from spending it.
Haha the struggle is real.
Open another bank account and transfer the money in to there
GW's Warhammer Fest in May includes a Death Guard painting seminar. It is quite unlikely they will not have released or have begun to release the new DG models at this point.
Livery of Corruption – Painting the Death Guard.
Tips, tricks and ‘Eavy Metal Painting Demonstration of Death Guard Chaos Space Marines
I think we'll get an update next week. It's been three weeks since the rumour first dropped, GW shouldn't leave it more than a month before teasing us again.
Money sitting waiting for this release! Can't wait to see if we get plague terminators, typhus and mortarion. Hope mortarion isn't 650 points though!
I will turn stark raving mad if I can't have any DG before mid-May. They should have released the dwarfs early April and the DG early May. Late April would also work. After mid-May it'd be hugely impractical for me.
The Overlords might even get THREE weeks of releases (one char, one ship and one unit down week 1, two chars,two ships and two units to go). Sucks. I want some dwarfs, but I really, really, really want Death Guard in my last long semester break - which ends mid-May.
I wonder if it will literally just be their update or May will have a new campaign book much like WoM, which I am guessing is likely since it will be weird to just 'Hey Mortarion's back!'
Xeones7 wrote: lets fill our time with discussing potential rules...
Plague terminators?
Mortarion?
Thoughts
In a perfect world I'd love to be able to purchase specific 'disease' upgrades for each entry, much like oldschool Tyranid biomorphs or the ye olde daemonic rewards... but it seems the rules have moved away from that level of customization.
I'm guessing the Plague Terminators will just be like regular Death Guard Terminators, but with access to some chemical weapons? It would be totally amazing if we get suped-up Nurgle blessed Deathshroud and Grave Wardens though.
I tend to get my hopes up too high when it comes to Chaos though. I'm sure they'll be good, but the longer we're left waiting the more my wishlist grows.
Edit: It'd also be awesome to get some kind of Plague Chaplain/Dark Apostle/Nurgle Priest to boost nearby FNP.
What is the scale of these new guys compared to the old?
I have a gak cult of Nurgle lead by an Priest-orator, a Demon Prince, and a chaos spawn. Have a pretty good load out of Death guard from back in the day in metals, as well. Would be sweet to add in to the new guys squads. Additionally, those new figures are generally top drawer from what I see so far. any guess on the cultist set, as to how many are coming in a box? 10- or 8?
Xeones7 wrote: lets fill our time with discussing potential rules...
Plague terminators?
Mortarion?
Thoughts
Morty
FMC, 7s for stats (except Init 5-6), 2+4++, ML3, EW, FNP, IWND, Hatred/Preferred enemy Tzeentch/GK, and his artifact scythe (S+2 or 3, Ap2, 2handed, 6s to wound at D str, maybe penalizes enemy Init or Toughness). Nurgle, Plague, and maybe Biomancy disciplines, with a unique power. Rerolls FNP, and has an aura that makes terrain difficult/dangerous
Not sure Mortarion is going to be that big of a psyker or a psyker at all. He was one of the main opponents of the Librarius project and voted to censure Magnus.
Even Calas Typhon suppressed and hit his psychic potential from Mortarion during the Heresy and did not become a full fledged psyker till after the destroyer plague ravaged the Death Guard.
Generalstoner wrote: Not sure Mortarion is going to be that big of a psyker or a psyker at all. He was one of the main opponents of the Librarius project and voted to censure Magnus.
Even Calas Typhon suppressed and hit his psychic potential from Mortarion during the Heresy and did not become a full fledged psyker till after the destroyer plague ravaged the Death Guard.
That's true, and I did consider whether he'd have powers at all. He's on par with a Greater Daemon, maybe even above, and I find it unlikely that he'd totally lack some sort of Psyker ability as a result. That's also why I think he'd "only" be ML3, rather than 4
The whole theme of the DG, in my opinion, seems to be about how the DG slowly became that which they hated. Mortarion had some major hang ups on Chaos and wanted to resist it, but ultimately ended up serving Chaos anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if his 40k incarnation has fully given in to Nurgle's blessings and opened up his psychic abilities to take advantage of that. At least for the Nurgle (and maybe Biomancy) table(s).
FoxPhoenix135 wrote:The whole theme of the DG, in my opinion, seems to be about how the DG slowly became that which they hated
These two get it. Death Guard are all about the contradictions and how idealism gave way to pragmatism
Mortarion freed Barbarus from the rule of the Warlords, but then delivered his world to the service of the Emperor
Mortarion defeated the Warlords to defend the weak citizens of Barbarus, but came to despise their weakness
Mortarion turned to Plague Planet into a mirror of Barbarus
Mortarion despised Psykers, but came to view Warpcraft as a necessity (more correctly, Mortarion is a Sorceror rather than a Psyker, at least until he ascended)
the Death Guard themselves are wracked with disease and look like they should keel over and die at any moment, but they are the most resilient
from their Index Astartes entry: "Their weapons and armour were rarely the most expertly artificed, certainly not the most beautifully-ornamented, but functioned without flaw" - their equipment looks like crap but keeps going
Contradictions are at the diseased heart of the Death Guard, and Mortarion especially
FoxPhoenix135 wrote: The whole theme of the DG, in my opinion, seems to be about how the DG slowly became that which they hated. Mortarion had some major hang ups on Chaos and wanted to resist it, but ultimately ended up serving Chaos anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if his 40k incarnation has fully given in to Nurgle's blessings and opened up his psychic abilities to take advantage of that. At least for the Nurgle (and maybe Biomancy) table(s).
Nailed it, 100% this. Even Mortarion became the warlord he hated, just like the original being that raised him.
Edit: I wish I had of read the post above mine before posting, he said what I posted in such a better way
Rippy wrote: Hello everyone, I am super pumped for these new releases. I can hardly hold on to my seat.
A couple of things for people who look poorly on some of the aspects:
These look too mutated
Death Guard are not for you, congratulations on saving money
The paint job isn't the way I personally like it, therefore I am liking this release less
Umm.. paint it differently?
The way these are painted shows off the detail properly.
I don't like that they are all mark III!!!!
They hardly look like mark three, and nothing is stopping you kit bashing your other marks in
It has been a while since I have been on this site, and this thread reminded me why. Rather than talking about the release, there is instant negativity based on 4 pictures.
There is whining how it doesn't suit your personal army.
There is whinging about the aethetics.
Wait for full release, and buy it or don't.
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redleger wrote: FFS its mid April, when are we gonna see something new on this. Im glad they are showing stuff early, but Im sitting here holding on to the money for one of everything and I am trying to keep my wife from spending it.
Haha the struggle is real.
Open another bank account and transfer the money in to there
Thank God you are here to straighten everything out! Without the light of your truth surely GW fandom would degenerate into horrible things like "individual opinions" and/or "disagreements."
Hello everyone, I am super pumped for these new releases. I can hardly hold on to my seat.
A couple of things for people who look poorly on some of the aspects:
These look too mutated
Death Guard are not for you, congratulations on saving money
The paint job isn't the way I personally like it, therefore I am liking this release less
Umm.. paint it differently?
The way these are painted shows off the detail properly.
I don't like that they are all mark III!!!!
They hardly look like mark three, and nothing is stopping you kit bashing your other marks in
It has been a while since I have been on this site, and this thread reminded me why. Rather than talking about the release, there is instant negativity based on 4 pictures.
There is whining how it doesn't suit your personal army.
There is whinging about the aethetics.
Wait for full release, and buy it or don't.
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redleger wrote: FFS its mid April, when are we gonna see something new on this. Im glad they are showing stuff early, but Im sitting here holding on to the money for one of everything and I am trying to keep my wife from spending it.
Haha the struggle is real.
Open another bank account and transfer the money in to there
Thank God you are here to straighten everything out! Without the light of your truth surely GW fandom would degenerate into horrible things like "individual opinions" and/or "disagreements."
Hello new friend. Do you see the irony in saying that I am shooting down people's individual opinions, while shooting down my individual opinion?
I don't like premature negativity, sue me.
We have people giving full reviews with scores out of 10, and we have seen 3 models. I came here for news and hype, not people's personal youtube style reviews on a release that hasn't been released yet. I am allowed to express my frustration.
Sounds like bs to me, since the painting thing is happening at warhammer fest, but you never know.
I call BS...
All the previews at Adepticon were given rough timelines (E.g Shadespire) and the recent preview of the Sepulchral guard was also previewed as "Late 2017"
In stark contrast the DG preview clearly states "Coming Soon" which I can't imagine as more than 1-3 months. The Natfka article also sounds wildly speculative with his direct source saying he doesn't rule out the possibilioty the release was moved up given the Warhammer fest painting event in May.
I also can't imagine why on earth they would release a preview for 4th quarter of 2017 stuff in Q1.
Possibly of note, but BoLS posted a "rumor" today that Death Guard weren't coming until Q4. Note that this is BoLS posting a rumor from Faeit, so take with lethal doses of salt. I don't know that they would actually preview the models that far in advance, so I'm dubious, but it does support my theory the DG are further out than people are expecting.
I'm building a zeppelin Death Guard dude. Then an Arachnarok gunship balloon once the dwarfs are out. I'm over the hope new kits will come out soon enough for me. So whenever they DO come out, call me, GW.
Didn't know there are new audio books set after Gathering Storm with the Yinaaari stealing something from Mortarion. Cheers sfPanzer from B&C for making me aware of this.
Spoiler:
So story on the Plague Planet releases this friday, then the next month's WD goes on pre-order the next day? I can smell (quite literally) their coming. Fully expecting some reveals this week.
That is interesting but doesn't seem to fit. We know from GS2 that the 4th sword was left on Belial V. Yvraine could sense it but they had to flee from a horde of Daemonettes before they could retrieve it. The 5th "sword" turned out to be Yriel's Spear of Twilight.
So unless Mortarion was on Belial V (which is possible) his scythe is not the final Crone Sword.
unmercifulconker wrote: Was literally just thinking that. Was it known where Mortarion's Scythe came from?
It is suspected that it was the weapon of his original adoptive father on Barbarus. It has been called a "filthy xenos" weapon.
It is possibly what the Eldar is after, though if they take his scythe I will be pissed off.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On that note, Plgaue Planet was once an Eldar world meaning it may have artefacts still on the surface.
If the Triumvirate manage an easy victory on Plague Planet, it would make Mortarion as armless as Abaddon. Especially after that terrible Grey Knight writing.
unmercifulconker wrote: Was literally just thinking that. Was it known where Mortarion's Scythe came from?
It is suspected that it was the weapon of his original adoptive father on Barbarus. It has been called a "filthy xenos" weapon.
It is possibly what the Eldar is after, though if they take his scythe I will be pissed off.
Automatically Appended Next Post: On that note, Plgaue Planet was once an Eldar world meaning it may have artefacts still on the surface.
If the Triumvirate manage an easy victory on Plague Planet, it would make Mortarion as armless as Abaddon. Especially after that terrible Grey Knight writing.
Cool cheers, hoping to finally start catching up on the HH novels. Thank you Humble Bundle!
I don't think the Eldar will be successful in this mission. I reckon the end will be Mortarion's reveal of his return. Hope you can just buy one part of these audio books so I can skip to the ending. Sorry Xenos, nothing personal.
pizzaguardian wrote: Isn't May month preorders coming up on 29th? so like not this weekend bu the next?
The 29th is more AOS stuff. Next's months white dwarf is out a week later than usual on May 5th The magazine usually launches alongside preorders for a new range, so if death guard is the next big release we will see their preorders on the 6th.
If GW follows their recent trend of doing previews before blurry white dwarf pics show up, we will see something next week on the community site.
Kharadons were on the cover of the last WD and one of its major features but they got a mid of month release. Maybe GW will repeat this. It isn't actually a bad idea to create more buzz before preorder this way either, as not everyone regularly reads the WarCom site and GW's other digital offerings or community forums or blogs.
nagash42 wrote: They'll sneak in and steal whatever artifact off the planet which will cause Morty to chase after them and accelerate his plans.
Is it Morty or Papa Nurgle who has one of the Elven godess prisoner and feeds them really potent plagues to test them on her? Could she be the prize?
Papa Nurgle has the Eldar goddess of healing Isha as his personal disease-taster in his Garden. You have to be pretty ballsy to try and walk in there, not that it hasn't been tried by Eldar before. It didn't end well...
Yes definitely connected to former BFG and EoT stories, Gavin Thorpe posted about it on his website
Also includes hints where the new audio books take place
Audio Week 2017 – Author’s Notes
By Gav on April 17, 2017
People often ask me if, when writing for Black Library, I get to choose what I write or not. The answer is, of course, not a straightforward one, because I’m working in someone else’s universe, and I have ongoing discussions with the editors about all sorts of things.
Usually it’s a case of Black Library asking if I would like to write about X, or that they are putting together a series about Y. The exact content isn’t defined beyond that. For example, the Legacy of Caliban series came about because there was an opportunity to release a novel alongside a new iteration of Codex: Dark Angels. Other than involving the Sons of the Lion, it was an open brief.
Other times there have been well-defined parameters to follow, particularly regarding stories and books tied in to a wider narrative. The most obvious of these are the Horus Heresy and the Beast Arises, but it was also true for The Curse of Khaine (part of the End Times narrative) and Warbeast (as an instalment for the Realmgate Wars).
These latter types of tie-ins can be quite taxing, because there’s usually a lot of stuff to absorb and trying to find an angle for a novel that presents something different to the pages and pages of background already published is a challenge. Put simply, if someone is already telling a story, it’s hard to take part of it and turn it into a different story…
So it was with a bit of anxiety that I agreed to write two audios that used the Warhammer 40,000 Gathering Storm narrative as a springboard. On the other hand, I love writing audio, and taking part in a week dedicated to the medium would certainly not hurt my sales numbers. Added to that, a lot of the rumours around the new storyline were quite tempting.
As it turned out, what was required was not a story set within the Gathering Storm storyline, but in the aftermath, the Warhammer 40,000 universe as it now stands after the great upheavals. While there was still a lot to take in, it meant that the big three books of lore had become backstory, not narrative, and that made it far easier to come up with a fresh tale (or two).
Two-for-One
The commission was, in theory, a simple one: Two stories deriving from the Gathering Storm, one focussed on the Imperium and the other on the eldar characters. It got a little more complicated, because the two audio dramas would be split into three segments, so each had to be a satisfying chunk of story but also part of the longer narrative.
Oh, and if they could be linked together somehow, that would be awesome. And if you could get Roboute Guilliman into both, that’s bonus points…
The main characters were set by the established background – Inquisitor Greyfax and Yvraine of the Ynnari. Finding a thematic link was the issue, but it was there that my long history with the Warhammer 40,000 universe came in very handy.
You see, I was there the day that Horus slew the Emperor…
Sorry, no, I wasn’t. That’s a different thing. I’ll start again.
I was there the day Abaddon launched his 13th Black Crusade, the first time around. Well, some of the build up to it. We hadn’t conceived of the Eye of Terror worldwide campaign then, as such, which has gone on to be revisited tangentially to form the basis of the Gathering Storm events, but we started laying groundwork for it in the background material for Battlefleet Gothic. It was basically a reason for why Abaddon, thrice-cursed, Despoiler of Worlds and arch-villain was knocking around the Gothic sector rather than laying waste to Terra and the Imperium. And the reason was that in order to muster the forces he needed, to make the necessary diabolic pacts, he needed to fulfil a prophecy (yes, one of them) by claiming the Hand of Darkness and the Eye of Night.
Which he did, of course, and here we are with the 13th Black Crusade well underway. And the observant among you may have noticed the two titles of my new audio dramas – the Hand of Darkness and the Eye of Night. What a co-ink-ee-dink.
Going back to the older material gives everything a nice sense of continuity. With the Gothic War and Abaddon as the common factor, the two artefacts gave me a thematic link while allowing two very separate tales to unfold.
Pushing the Sounds
I’ve mentioned before that using the audio part of ‘audio drama’ is not only essential, but also great fun. This was one of the major considerations for me with these two stories. Being released as part of audio week, they had to showcase what is best about the medium. In terms of sound effects it was a case of going big and going often.
Part of that is thinking about the structure of the scenes and where the story takes place. If I can make sure the plot takes us to sonically interesting settings (a phrase I didn’t envisage I would type when I woke up this morning) then I’m halfway there.
With Eye of Night the scenes take in the Imperial Palace, the near-airless remains of a world destroyed by Abaddon’s Planet Killer, a swamp in the Eye of Terror and a fortress of Tzeentch. Hand of Darkness gives us scenes of psychic communion, the webway and Black Library, the actual Garden of Nurgle and a plague fortress in the Eye of Terror.
Another area ripe for exploitation was that of psychic effects. In prose we often italicise psychic communication, or do other funky stuff to indicate daemonic speech and so forth. In audio this extra dimension opens up a brand new soundscape, and as both Greyfax and Yvraine are psykers it was a grand opportunity to see what we could do in that direction.
Script Over Prose
One last thing that made this a very enjoyable project was Black Library’s decision to have audio dramas submitted in scripted format again. For a while I have been writing in prose, as requested by the editors, so that the stories can be used in anthologies and so forth. This makes things more difficult, as it is hard to make the written word ideal for audio and reading at the same time.
A simple example is describing a noise. In usual prose, I might describe the crash of a slamming door resounding down the corridor. In audio, the narration might mention the door slamming, but the design should be used to convey the actual sound of that. So, do I write it for prose and hope the editors tweak the words to avoid the repetition, or write for audio and leave it a little sparse for readers?
Working in the script format also forces the writer to think more about sound direction, scene length and so forth, making it easier to see if the narration is going on too long, if nothing interesting has happened with the sound for a while, etc.
With each audio drama I write I feel that I am exploring new ground but also bedding in acquired knowledge allowing me to push the format each time. Expect to see plenty more audio work from me in the future. I have just finished another with pointy-eared characters at the fore, the start of a series hopefully, and I had some great fun with that, but you’ll have to wait to find out more.
Part One of Eye of Night is available to download right now, and you can subscribe to both Eye of Night and Hand of Darkness over on the Black Library website.
pizzaguardian wrote: Isn't May month preorders coming up on 29th? so like not this weekend bu the next?
The 29th is more AOS stuff. Next's months white dwarf is out a week later than usual on May 5th The magazine usually launches alongside preorders for a new range, so if death guard is the next big release we will see their preorders on the 6th.
If GW follows their recent trend of doing previews before blurry white dwarf pics show up, we will see something next week on the community site.
unmercifulconker wrote: The Hand of Darkness Part 3 Audio is out now, gonna give it a listen and see if there are any hints. Sure hope so. Anyone else listened to it yet?
I've only listened to the first part so far, but HO BOY is it getting me pumped for Death Guard!
Spoiler:
Tigurius's description of Mortarion's assault on Ultramar is incredible!
nagash42 wrote: They'll sneak in and steal whatever artifact off the planet which will cause Morty to chase after them and accelerate his plans.
Is it Morty or Papa Nurgle who has one of the Elven godess prisoner and feeds them really potent plagues to test them on her? Could she be the prize?
Papa Nurgle has the Eldar goddess of healing Isha as his personal disease-taster in his Garden. You have to be pretty ballsy to try and walk in there, not that it hasn't been tried by Eldar before. It didn't end well...
Well...
Spoiler:
Yvraine and the Ynnari sneak into the Plague Planet to steal Mortarion's magic thingy by going through the Garden of Nurgle.
Balls of solid necrodermis.
No Morty appearance, though. Just some giant sentinel thing he left standing guard over the hand which went down like a chump to the Visarch and Yvraine.
nagash42 wrote: They'll sneak in and steal whatever artifact off the planet which will cause Morty to chase after them and accelerate his plans.
Is it Morty or Papa Nurgle who has one of the Elven godess prisoner and feeds them really potent plagues to test them on her? Could she be the prize?
Papa Nurgle has the Eldar goddess of healing Isha as his personal disease-taster in his Garden. You have to be pretty ballsy to try and walk in there, not that it hasn't been tried by Eldar before. It didn't end well...
Well...
Spoiler:
Yvraine and the Ynnari sneak into the Plague Planet to steal Mortarion's magic thingy by going through the Garden of Nurgle.
Balls of solid necrodermis.
No Morty appearance, though. Just some giant sentinel thing he left standing guard over the hand which went down like a chump to the Visarch and Yvraine.
Spoiler:
Typical. Ain't plot armor grand.. I'm assuming Papa was taking a nap, or they were on the edge somewhere...
nagash42 wrote: They'll sneak in and steal whatever artifact off the planet which will cause Morty to chase after them and accelerate his plans.
Is it Morty or Papa Nurgle who has one of the Elven godess prisoner and feeds them really potent plagues to test them on her? Could she be the prize?
Papa Nurgle has the Eldar goddess of healing Isha as his personal disease-taster
Spoiler:
Yvraine and the Ynnari sneak into the Plague Planet to steal Mortarion's magic thingy by going through the Garden of Nurgle.
Balls of solid necrodermis.
No Morty appearance, though. Just some giant sentinel thing he left standing guard over the hand which went down like a chump to the Visarch and Yvraine.
Was there anything in the audio book that seemed to reference something that might be coming up in the death guard release? Any new weapons, units, vehicles, that sort of thing
Automatically Appended Next Post: Pretty sure I messed up that post lol. That last part was me asking the question.
is there a Black Library product where Death Guard/Nurgle don't get beaten like a redheaded stepchild? because it's really hard to get hyped for my super-tough legion of semi-unkillable veterans of a ten thousand year war when I can't point to a single story where they actually win
Charax wrote: is there a Black Library product where Death Guard/Nurgle don't get beaten like a redheaded stepchild? because it's really hard to get hyped for my super-tough legion of semi-unkillable veterans of a ten thousand year war when I can't point to a single story where they actually win
I think we're all still sore about the 'Draigo' incident, and forever will be.
They didn't come off that badly in this book though. They were still presented as a threat impossible to tackle with physical or military strength.
Spoiler:
The only way Yvraine manages steal the Hand of Darkness is by being sneaky. Isha (Who we know is kept prisoner by Nurgle) secretly guides them into Nurgle's garden and then straight to the depths of a dungeon upon the Plague Planet where the Hand of Darkness is kept.
Also, this place is described as a 'fortress for giants', and the Visarch says that even Mortarion isn't large enough to use the space. The one enemy they encounter is some kind of plagued, skeletal-thin giant with a scimitar and serrated golden armour. Any ideas what this creature could be? The only thing I can really think of is that it might be some relation to the original Warlord's of Barbarus that Mortarion has corrupted and enslaved? Don't know, maybe I'm completely wrong. It's also suggested there are more of these, as shadows approach when the Ynnari make their escape - Perhaps we might get some kind of Monsterous Creature 'Plague Giant' to go alongside the Death Guard.
Charax wrote: is there a Black Library product where Death Guard/Nurgle don't get beaten like a redheaded stepchild? because it's really hard to get hyped for my super-tough legion of semi-unkillable veterans of a ten thousand year war when I can't point to a single story where they actually win
The key is, pretend that the Draigo incident never happened, and head canon that the Garden of Nurgle was never infiltrated by mortals, they were somewhere else and thought they were in the Garden. That is what I do, often ignore the fluff where the "professional" writer decides to write fan fics of their favourite faction rather than writing it properly.
I can't see them wanting to wait too long. They've just announced that all the current codexes will be invalidated and rules replaced. I'm guessing sales will be low until the new edition hits.
If you go here you will see that the choose your faction is divided into the main factions, then under Chaos DG and 1k Sons are listed as separate factions within chaos. This could lead to the conclusion that all the legions at some point, in a similar way to AOS will have their own book, and be either allied with Chaos where you can field anything within Chaos together, or possibly DG only for other bonuses. The more I read the AOS book, the more I liked this idea so this would not be terrible IMO.
New Death Guard intro:
The Death Guard trudge inexorably into battle amidst the drone of endless swarms of flies. Bloated, rotten and riddled with disease, these revolting traitors are virtually immune to pain. Each Heretic Astartes is utterly dedicated to spreading the feculent blessings of the Plague God Nurgle. Pain and suffering are notions that apply only to their victims; fear is a laughable concept to such ghastly beings.
Warriors of the Death Guard can sustain the most monstrous wounds and continue to fight, battling on with arms torn off, torsos blown open and necrotic flesh crisped black by fire. Many foes employ volleys of plasma fire or salvoes of tank-busting weaponry to lay the lumbering Plague Marines low, and even this is no guarantee of success. Making the most of their horrific resilience, the Death Guard favour grinding, attritional warfare, scything their enemies down in punishing, close-ranged firefights.
What I find amusing is that the 8th ed. "art piece" does show a half-and-half MkIV armoured marine. One half grey "Imperial", the other half is a plague marine of sorts. I wonder if Nurgle will indeed be in the starter box or play a much larger narrative role than it has in the past.
I'm collecting Nurgle stuff for a 2nd ed. army but I'm not complaining at all if Nurgle gets a very healthy wave of releases.
Elbows wrote: What I find amusing is that the 8th ed. "art piece" does show a half-and-half MkIV armoured marine. One half grey "Imperial", the other half is a plague marine of sorts. I wonder if Nurgle will indeed be in the starter box or play a much larger narrative role than it has in the past.
I'm collecting Nurgle stuff for a 2nd ed. army but I'm not complaining at all if Nurgle gets a very healthy wave of releases.
I had been thinking that myself. Imperium vs Nurgle for 8th ed starter seems likely. Or, gak starts going south with Typhus leading an assault on mankind.
The small "how to" picture posted in the other thread sure does hint a bit at DG being in the starter box. On one hand that'd be nice (meaning picking up cheap second hand ones on eBay) but you may also get more snap-fit single poses --- not a huge deal.
Binabik15 wrote: Nurgle in the starterAND Nurgle kits would be beyon awesome.
The sometimes rumored AoS boardgame with Nurgle (vs Elves?) being real would be a bloated cherry on top of this midden heap of joy
I sure hope so!
My fear is that the models previewed so far were all starter set mono-fit models, and that is the only love DG will get. Let's keep our fingers crossed in the hope that's not true!
Might as well cross-post this here (credit goes to Omega-soul in the 8th Ed. thread). What is undoubtedly new Death Guard stuff promo'd in the 8th Ed. release teaser stuff:
Might as well cross-post this here (credit goes to Omega-soul in the 8th Ed. thread). What is undoubtedly new Death Guard stuff promo'd in the 8th Ed. release teaser stuff:
DG vs. UM starter pack? That is something I can handle very well
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