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Zombicide has been dethroned as the biggest CMON campaign, but soon it will have a chance to retake its crown. We hope you will join us again for our next Kickstarter campaign, coming at the end of May: Zombicide: Green Horde! This sequel to the smash hit Zombicide: Black Plague, will bring players back into a world of deadly medieval fantasy, this time filled with infected orcs and goblins who will put survivors to the ultimate test. This green menace is not only stronger than their human counterparts, but they also tend to gather into massive hordes that ambush the survivors when they least expect it. Uncover the many surprises the Green Horde has in store for you!
 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/rising-sun/posts/1849832 Black Plague and Massive Darkness did nothing for me, but Green Horde might be worth getting. 5/1 update: Zombicide: Green Horde is coming to Kickstarter on May 30, and only the brave need apply.
https://cmon.com/news/zombicide-green-horde-overview
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Post by: privateer4hire
Hmmm. Would have personally preferred it was just regular orcs and goblins attacking without the zombie angle. But then I guess it wouldn't be z-cide if you ditched the infection.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Exactly. It'd be Massive Darkness.
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Post by: Theophony
Glad I only went $1 on Rising Sun, now my feeble gaming funds can go to another zombicide splurge  .
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Post by: Moopy
 privateer4hire wrote:Hmmm. Would have personally preferred it was just regular orcs and goblins attacking without the zombie angle. But then I guess it wouldn't be z-cide if you ditched the infection.
I'll bet there will be Ork/Goblin heroes.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Green horde... green... lizardmen confirmed?
At least I know I'll get a LOT of bang for my buck in a Zombicide campaign.
Even if I never use 2/3 of it.
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Post by: rabidaskal
So happy i didn't for rising sun which tbh looks excellent, but ZBP is a much better fit for my gaming group, we've had a ton of fun with it.
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Post by: Kamsm8
ZBP, Massive Darkness, and this could easily provide a ton of miniatures for some cool RPG games. Or re purposing the rules from Walking Dead: All Out War to a fantasy theme.
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Post by: Rich711
I hope they continue with the tradition of having exclusive heroes being homages to film and t.v.
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Post by: Barzam
Meh. I want them to do a Zombicide in Space.
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Post by: Aeneades
Really looking forward to this but space is becoming a concern even before the 4 or 5 big Kickstarters I have outstanding arrive. May finally be time to sell off my complete original zombicide collection as haven't played in so long and it's taking up an entire set of shelves.
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Post by: Mymearan
After my disappointment with the gameplay of ZBP (my first Zombicide) I will definitely skip this one. I almost did Massive Darkness but as I was kickstarting several other dungeon crawlers (Darklight, Kingdom Death) that one had to go as well. The minis also have such a distinctive style that I had a hard time seeing myself using them in another gaming system, they would look out of place with my other stuff.
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Post by: Skinnereal
I may have the go-ahead on this, despite not having tried the first ZBP expansion yet.
Still, there's a bit more space in the crate...
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Post by: Undead_Love-Machine
I have too many Zombicide games that don't get played enough already, this one's an easy pass for me.
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Post by: Rich711
I asked CMON at a con about Futuristic Sci-Fi Zombicide and said only BP2 was scheduled so far.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Definitely getting a buck from me for PM access.
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Post by: privateer4hire
But with swarms of bug-like aliens instead of zombies.
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Post by: AAN
Being the die hard Zombicide fan that I am I will pledge it, but...
Rich711 wrote:
I asked CMON at a con about Futuristic Sci-Fi Zombicide and said only BP2 was scheduled so far.
I can only second this, I had high hopes for a Z game by CmoN in a SF setting.
Fantasy is my least favorite setting, SF, Modern come s1st for me.
Unfortunately the BP gameplay was better...
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Post by: Binabik15
I don't think I can stash another CMON boardgame with KS freebies. One of the reasons I passed on Rising Sun.
And the heroes look like worse versions of the BP crew from what I can see. I'll probably pass.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
 Binabik15 wrote:I don't think I can stash another CMON boardgame with KS freebies. One of the reasons I passed on Rising Sun.
That is my problem as well. I went big on Black Plague and most of the freebies/add-ons are still in their shrink wrap. I have only played the base game and while I enjoy it, I haven't scratched the surface of what I have for BP, so adding more seems unnecessary.
Also, add me to the list of people who would love a Sci-Fi Zombicide!
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Post by: Elbows
I love ZBP but I have so much for it and I bought into Massive Darkness so I honestly don't feel any push toward this. I know it'll be a ridiculous deal...but I'll probably shy away from this one (I say that now...)
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Post by: Hulksmash
For this I'll do what I normally do. I'll buy the base pledge. I've cleared out all the other Zombicide stuff except for BP so I'm good with keeping that stuff around for a bit. Even if it is all mostly still in shrink wrap.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
For CMoN / KS games, I'm basically only getting core games now. I'm pretty sure I don't need another Zombicide or Fantasy game, but I'm curious to see what their take is going to be.
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Post by: Pacific
Am a little bit disappointed there isn't a bit of a wider scope with this (someone mentioned Zombicide in space, which would have been fun!), but will definitely watch this with interest and see what comes out of it.
 Mymearan wrote:After my disappointment with the gameplay of ZBP (my first Zombicide) I will definitely skip this one.
Out of interest, can I ask what you didn't like about the ZBP gameplay?
I thought it was an absolute riot, can't tell you how much fun I have had with a few friends and beers with that game on a Friday night!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
CMoN might be a little gunshy over Zombicide in space, as that's awfully close to Sedition Wars.
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Post by: endtransmission
Zombicide Wild West would be fun if they do not want to try for space
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
Would probably end up being a little steam punky, which could be cool.
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Post by: Elbows
I'd actually like them to leave Zombicide and start on more games. Zombicide is great fun, but I can't see much length in beating the same drum so many times --- I am glad they did BP because "modern" zombies bore me to tears.
So if they're chasing new blood with new genres, neat...but I'd much prefer seeing more games being generated instead.
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Post by: plastictrees
Massive Darkness had Orcs and Goblins. I assume those will get rules in this game just like the undead stuff from BP1 received rules in Massive Darkness.
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Post by: MLaw
Hard pass. KS fatigue, lack of space, more of the same.. too many reasons beyond that. CMON needs to either slow their pace or learn a new song. They're getting kinda AC/ DC with these now.. Automatically Appended Next Post:  JohnHwangDD wrote:CMoN might be a little gunshy over Zombicide in space, as that's awfully close to Sedition Wars.
I get what you're saying.. but since McVey is in the fold, why not embrace the resources and really go after it with everything they've learned. While I am sick of the one-note wonder, I do think hanging the SW concept on a tried and tested system would do them a lot of favors. Just my .02 
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Post by: Mr Morden
Zombie goblins and Orcs - thats great for my Vmapire armies.
Well if I still played but they would still look nice
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Of course with a scifi one, they could even include all the Sedition War stuff that was sculpted for the expansion that never saw the light of day....
I really liked what we had seen of the new stuff! 
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Post by: skullking
I haven't been into anything zombies for a long time. They've just been done to death (ha ha) since the turn of the century, and board/table top games are no exception to this.
I actually was drawn to Massive darkness because it had no zombies in it (yes I know you add the black plague ones too it, which I think is great for people who want them).
That being said, zombie orks n goblins does seem much more interesting to me. I'd much rather have those in my Massive Darkness games, then regular zombies. So I'm curious to see what this kickstarter will have.
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Post by: grefven
Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war). 
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Post by: Myrthe
grefven wrote:Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war).
Or how about 1920's style Zombie Gangsters complete with tommyguns ? 
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Post by: MLaw
grefven wrote:Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war).
A zombie based ACW game would be mildly entertaining... but more in the tabletop genre than the actual Zombicide boardgame system.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
 Myrthe wrote:grefven wrote:Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war).
Or how about 1920's style Zombie Gangsters complete with tommyguns ?
Zombicide: Noir!
A WWI Zombicide would be amazing as well. Especially if you could play as soldiers on both sides being attacked by the bodies strewn across no-man's land.
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Post by: Theophony
 DarkTraveler777 wrote: Myrthe wrote:grefven wrote:Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war).
Or how about 1920's style Zombie Gangsters complete with tommyguns ?
Zombicide: Noir!
A WWI Zombicide would be amazing as well. Especially if you could play as soldiers on both sides being attacked by the bodies strewn across no-man's land.
Or WWII were a nazi weapon causes the zombie plague, but it's the Americans who are zombies for once instead of the overdone German zombies
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Post by: TalonZahn
 Theophony wrote: DarkTraveler777 wrote: Myrthe wrote:grefven wrote:Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war).
Or how about 1920's style Zombie Gangsters complete with tommyguns ?
Zombicide: Noir!
A WWI Zombicide would be amazing as well. Especially if you could play as soldiers on both sides being attacked by the bodies strewn across no-man's land.
Or WWII were a nazi weapon causes the zombie plague, but it's the Americans who are zombies for once instead of the overdone German zombies
If you knew how bad some people lost their minds over the name and some of the imagery of Rising Sun.....
No way would people stay sane if the game was Nazi's/German WW2 killing zombies.
People would lose their gak so fast......
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Post by: -iPaint-
I think the Fantasy Zombicide might be done after this KS, and CMON and GG will move to another setting for the next game.
I would like to see a sci-fi setting for Zombicide. Derelict ships, colony infestations, and the opportunity to introduce some alien races would allow some serious creative flexibility.
Yes, Sedition Wars was awful, but remember - that was back in 2013, and the production quality has gotten better since. I'd trust today's CMON to do a better job, based on their Zombicide: Black Plague and Blood Rage offerings from last year.
~iPaint
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Zombicide Space is just Aliens (the movie)...
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
It doesn't have to be limited in that fashion.
Besides, Xenomorphs were stealthy, could move through crawl spaces, on the ceilings and walls, and generally overcome really effective barriers. They were monsters that could get at you anytime and anywhere on that infested colony. Plus they were bio weapons. Their blood could kill making combat difficult to say the least.
Zombies, especially Zombicide zombies, aren't nearly as clever as a Xenomorphs, or as dangerous. They are loud, move in groups, and are stopped by barriers (up to a certain point). They don't insta-kill a human, and per the Zombicide setting, certain humans can continue being heroes even when turned.
A sci-fi Zombicide could be interesting if the tiles and scenarios were done right. Especially if combat occurred in space. Imagine if errant shots could depressurize a room and kill everything inside! It would be a lot of fun if players had to decide between using cruder melee weapons or hi-tech ranged weapons that had the potential to wipe out their team.
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Post by: gungo
Zombie orks would make great chaos orcs or nurgle orks HOWEVER pvc minis look bad and have poor detail.
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Post by: skullking
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Myrthe wrote:grefven wrote:Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war).
Or how about 1920's style Zombie Gangsters complete with tommyguns ?
Zombicide: Noir!
A WWI Zombicide would be amazing as well. Especially if you could play as soldiers on both sides being attacked by the bodies strewn across no-man's land.
Ironically, I think Call of Duty has done all of these genres in Zombie mode.
1930's - Noir detective stuff, and in alkatraz.
WW2 - Nazi attacks in several countries.
WW1 - Which was really weird, with Giant Robots, and screwed up guns
1960's - In space, in Vietnam, in the White house.
1980's - Roller Disco with Hasslehoff
Present Day - riding around a bus to various locations in a zombie ridden town. Horror movie sets, Friday the 13th setting.
The future, in space, and various other places.
I'm sure there's more I"m forgetting, but, they have covered a lot. Medieval fantasy is definitely one they haven't though.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
It doesn't have to be limited in that fashion.
Besides, Xenomorphs were stealthy, could move through crawl spaces, on the ceilings and walls, and generally overcome really effective barriers. They were monsters that could get at you anytime and anywhere on that infested colony. Plus they were bio weapons. Their blood could kill making combat difficult to say the least.
Zombies, especially Zombicide zombies, aren't nearly as clever as a Xenomorphs, or as dangerous. They are loud, move in groups, and are stopped by barriers (up to a certain point). They don't insta-kill a human, and per the Zombicide setting, certain humans can continue being heroes even when turned.
Xenomorphs might be Runners.
Zombicide Zombies could very well be World War Z (movie) smart.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
JohnHwangDD wrote: DarkTraveler777 wrote:
It doesn't have to be limited in that fashion.
Besides, Xenomorphs were stealthy, could move through crawl spaces, on the ceilings and walls, and generally overcome really effective barriers. They were monsters that could get at you anytime and anywhere on that infested colony. Plus they were bio weapons. Their blood could kill making combat difficult to say the least.
Zombies, especially Zombicide zombies, aren't nearly as clever as a Xenomorphs, or as dangerous. They are loud, move in groups, and are stopped by barriers (up to a certain point). They don't insta-kill a human, and per the Zombicide setting, certain humans can continue being heroes even when turned.
Xenomorphs might be Runners.
Zombicide Zombies could very well be World War Z (movie) smart.
I doubt CMON or GG would be as lazy with a sci-fi Zombicide as simply making a re-skinned version of Aliens. Nevermind that the two types of monsters behave differently, there is already an Aliens board game called Space Hulk. 
Plus, nowhere in the previous Zombicide products have the zombies been shown to have the awareness of WWZ zeds. Zombicide zombies are more like Left 4 Dead zombies, in that they mill about until a noise gets them agitated. Then they run towards the noise. That is less sophisticated than the cunning shown by WWZ zeds.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
WWZ Zs were just ants. Fast ants.
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Post by: MLaw
Not how I see it at all. Similarities maybe but what about Event Horizon or Paranoia (was that the name of that movie?)
I think being in a ship that has limited space could add to the mood and factoring in hull breaches could really add a lot. Aliens specifically was about something that defied logic (their blood, the stealth, the ferocity, the hive hind, etc). I would think the underlying psychology behind the design of a zombie space game would be the exact opposite. Things that are understood all too well and focus more on the impending doom aspect. Then again though, we're talking about a reskin of Z-cide so I don't think either of our notions would really be that accurate any more than either describe the current state of any Z-cide.
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Post by: Theophony
I'd rather see a sci-fi zombicide based on star trek . Think of all the redshirt zombies . Then you could have Clingons, Vulcannots, and Romuairs. Future expansions could include the Jewelkadar and autodassians. Plenty of expansions available and plenty of stars for exclusives in kickstarters.
There must be a Khan 
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Post by: Ace Histoli
I just want to say that any opportunity to purchase 28mm Jewelhadar must be taken. Screw the gaming budget.
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Post by: Aeneades
Ace Histoli wrote:I just want to say that any opportunity to purchase 28mm Jewelhadar must be taken. Screw the gaming budget.
Modiphus picked up the official Star Trek miniature licence last years which covers all the TV shows (excluding the upcoming one) so official Jem'Hadar should be on the way, unfortunately they are 32mm rather then 28mm.
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Post by: Moopy
Myrthe wrote:grefven wrote:Come on.. a historical zombicide would be great.. How about Zombicide: World at Wars (WWI or WWII) or Zombicide: Jungle Fever (vietnam/korea war).
Or how about 1920's style Zombie Gangsters complete with tommyguns ?
There's a card game for that.
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With water physics. 
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Post by: DaveC
Well it's about as late in May as possible
KS May 30th 3PM EST
https://cmon.com/news/zombicide-green-horde-overview
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I guess they need to get Rising Sun PM finished before Z: GH launches?
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Post by: Theophony
Good, I need to save up and our basement just flooded with all this  rain. Luckily no zombies were affected by the flood.
Looking at that orc picture I think I will break away from the green I've painted all my zombies and do the orcs and goblins in more of that blue-grey color.
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Post by: -Loki-
And a video game (it was actually pretty fun, you played the zombie)
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Post by: DaveC
First sculpt (and it's a render) Rolf the Babarian
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Post by: AAN
Hmm, nothing spectacular with the Babarian dude IMO, yawn...
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Post by: grefven
While nothing spectacular (how spectacular can you make a barbarian these days, anyhow?) it still looks really good. Not too sure about his ribcage, though.
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Post by: Theophony
Rolf Lungren the barbarian? He looks the part, wonder if he's smart like his movie world partner. Either way he's expendable
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Post by: DaveC
Megan
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Post by: Aeneades
I have backed every Zombicide, Black Plague and massive darkness kickstarter to date with every optional extra and game night character but feeling a bit spent by this point. Not sure what the new releases could really add to the experience. I will most likely end up backing anyway but already have two bookcases full of Zombicide & The Others so space is definitely a concern.
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Post by: DaveC
Green Horde is pretty much a reskin of Black Plague using zombie Orcs instead, walker = orc, runner = goblin, fatty = bigger orc, nercomancer = orc shaman, Abomb is an orc Abomb.
The orcs are apparently a bit tougher than normal zombies but GG have said they are not a berserker equivalent. Main new mechanic is the horde you put a mini into a horde pile when spawn cards are drawn then at some point the whole horde gets unleashed on the board.
Not much of an update just enough to be slightly different than before after 4 to 5 goes around they need to be a bit more innovative now I'll still be backing though!
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Post by: Azazelx
Agreed. I'll probably still back this, but it might well be the last one, since they've been selling (and I've been buying) pretty much the same formula for some time now.
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Post by: DaveC
2 more
Berin the Dwarf - not a fan - tiny feet and the proportions look off even for a dwarf.
Seli - I fear she might be to lithe for casting
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I think the Orc / Goblin / Blorc / Aborc reskin with the Horde mechanic is good, to the point that it doesn't need the Zombie flavoring. Of the 3 fantasy variants, this interests me more than Black Plague, to say nothing of Meh Darkness.
OTOH, I presume a 3rd (& final) fantasy Zombicide will be announced at some point, and it'll likely be the version witth the refined ruleset that I'd want to keep.
Minis-wise, they party looks great, and good on CMoN for having the Elf & Dorf. Now, I really hope for a half-Ogre...
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Ain't a green horde til the reptiles show up though.
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Post by: tre manor
greta art and sculpts but there is nothing about that " dwarf " that says " dwarf " to me. Just looks like a human with slightly shorter legs and longer arms.
and statching all ong the edges of the elf's costume bits...... if it resolves in printing I doubt very seriosuly it will actually come through in casting. I could be wrong about that but that stuff looks REALLY fine.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Tre, I hope that dwarf sculpt bothers you so much that you are forced into having to sculpt a new set of semi modular dwarfs (that might possibly be from the cold north) for use in a warband to alleviate such sculpting frustrations.
It's the only logical answer to such problems.
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Post by: DaveC
Johannes
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Bring me my War Flip-flops, I must wear them over my boots for 'reasons'
(the rest of him is fine though)
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Post by: Theophony
Nipple tags and two belly rings 
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Post by: Necros
If he doesn't label them, how else will he know which is left and which is right?
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Post by: plastictrees
It's exactly that sort of judgmentall attitude that drove him to summon an undead horde to wipe goodness from the face of the earth.
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Post by: Elbows
I like Asim, he's pretty cool.
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Post by: Necros
I'm on the fence with this one .. scupts look great, but I never played any of the other zombicide games. I backed Massive Darkness and was kinda hoping I could get that first to see if I like how it plays.. assuming the gameplay for both is similar?
And then I have a lot invested in the Mantic terrain right now, don't think I can afford another KS for a little while. tough decision. If I go in for $1 do they usually let you upgrade that to a full pledge in the PM?
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Post by: Theophony
I have enough set aside for a basic pledge (I think), but will most likely do $1. It will need some serious kick ass models for me to jump in as money is tight right now. I survived not is seasons 1-3.
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Post by: Alpharius
So, it's Ork Zombies this time then?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 Necros wrote:I never played any of the other zombicide games.
I backed Massive Darkness and was kinda hoping I could get that first to see if I like how it plays.. assuming the gameplay for both is similar?
If I go in for $1 do they usually let you upgrade that to a full pledge in the PM?
Zombicide is great, and you should probably try to get a game in of either the original or, better yet, Rue Morgue. RM is easily the "best" Zombicide of the moderns, smooth & clean and scalable. I passed on Black Plague, as the rat theme just didn't work for me.
I threw a buck at Massive Darkness, but ultimately passed. The rules previewed during the KS didn't look to be quite there, and it seemed more gimmicky and overcomplicated than it needed to be. But that was a long time ago, and CMoN may have addressed those issues.
I'll throw a buck at the GH, for access to the full pledge. I converted Smog from a $1 placeholder up to a full pledge pretty recently, and feel quite good about that one. It looks like something I can play, and it looks to have nice replay.
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Post by: Alpharius
Rat theme in "Black Plague"?
I don't think that's an actual problem.
But if Green Horde is just a lightly re-skinned BP, with Ork Zombies instead of Human Zombies?
Yawn?
We got a TON of content with Z: BP, and I'm not sure I want/need a TON more!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Some of us traded/ sold off/ gave away a TON of content, and are now in need of a new TON of content!
I'm in just out of sheer curiosity. Got a lot of bang for my buck last time, and I'm sure we'll see likewise again.
Maybe zombie dragons like we had all hoped last time around?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
@Alphy - I wasn't that excited to play a rat-themed game, even if it was executed well and had a lot of stuff bundled in. Also, making every single bonus Survivor being another samey guy with board & sword pretty much destroyed the rest. Aside from the nun in the box, the Survivors are boring AF.
Orks, OTOH, well, we'll see what they do with it. It might be that I just continue to stick with RM for my Zombie fix.
A Zombie dragon or wyvern might be nice.
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Post by: Necros
I few of my friends have been playing Zombicide at our game days, but it always seems to be when I can't make it.. so so far I never had a chance to try it. I kinda wish I got in on it the very first time, but they have a bad habit of running their campaigns right after I spend my spare cash on something else :( I'll go in for $1 though and see how it goes.
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Post by: skullking
None of the characters are really grabbing me except Asim. Megan isn't bad, but very generic. Knowing a CMON KS, they'll be plenty more spilling in, so I can't judge it solely on what's been shown. I like the zombie ork though, It'd be cool if they all started as a horde of living orks, then the necromancers would raise them again after death. Might create an interesting dynamic if the living and dead orks had some sort of animosity role they had to deal with as well. Trying to set it up so the zombies fight the living enemies would be a cool tactic, that would differentiate it from most other games.
I really want some big Trolls/ogres too, along with plenty of goblins both on foot, and riding zombie wolves. I love the idea of a big undead wyvern as well. I want the whole thing to feel VERY Orky, with the whole zombie thing as just a twist to it.
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Post by: overtyrant
Need me some orc zombies for my AoS undead!
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Post by: Pacific
 plastictrees wrote:
It's exactly that sort of judgmentall attitude that drove him to summon an undead horde to wipe goodness from the face of the earth.
Brilliant
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Post by: DaveC
Goblin "runner"
Orc Enforcer "fatty"
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BoW coverage of the panel from CMoN Expo skip to 44 minutes for Green Horde
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154277364761315&id=133813491314&refid=8&_rdr
No EBs confirmed guess CMoN have decided to do away with them.
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Post by: Galas
The two last orc figures don't seem much zombiecied, just a goblin and a fat orc with the scar of a bite that appear to be drunk.
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Post by: ced1106
My impression as well, but in a good way. I don't have any adventures that call for undead humanoids (and I have some better ones including skeletons from Johnny Lauck, ObPlug for his current KS (: so these sculpts could pass for regular humanoids that are unarmed. When not on the warpath, orcs are portrayed as becoming bored (and would probably start drinking the fermented stuff!), while goblins would find something smaller than themselves to torture. Yet, pretty much all the humanoid miniatures I have have some weapon and attack mode stance.
Okay, time to find $125.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
 DaveC wrote:No EBs confirmed guess CMoN have decided to do away with them.
It's a good thing to simplify pledging, given that GH will fund, and fund quickly EBs or not.
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Post by: DaveC
Orc Abombination
Pity it's a digital render I'll miss Jason Hendricks take on the Abombinations particularly the ones he did with being commissioned to do them.
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Post by: Theophony
The more I'm seeing the more I'm willing to pass on this one. I think I would have been more excited for just plain orcs and not zombie orcs. They should have spun off Orcicide, then Verminicide(ratmen), then highlordicide(lizardman) that way they could keep a theme going and bulk out the massive darkness enemies at the same time. I get that they are known for zombies, but I like the gameplay and it could be aliens for all it's worth.
I'll still go in for a buck, in case there's something I can't live without as a stretch goal, but off to spend my $$$ on something else that's been drawing me the last few weeks.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Theophony wrote: They should have spun off Orcicide, then Verminicide(ratmen), then highlordicide(lizardman).
Don't be a bittersweet theophony, or someone's name is going in the reptile's Book of Grudges!
Has anyone done any comparisons to how the orcs and goblins in this compare to the ones in Massive Darkness?
Until the CMON expo, I had forgotten we already have CMON making Greenskins that are tied into the whole Zcide
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Post by: ecurtz
highlord tamburlaine wrote:Has anyone done any comparisons to how the orcs and goblins in this compare to the ones in Massive Darkness?
They seem to be the same basic style as the Massive Darkness orcs and goblins.
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Post by: ced1106
Just paint 'em green and treat 'em as orcs. That'll teach the players to underestimate the greenskins!
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Post by: Alpharius
Theophony wrote:The more I'm seeing the more I'm willing to pass on this one. I think I would have been more excited for just plain orcs and not zombie orcs. They should have spun off Orcicide, then Verminicide(ratmen), then highlordicide(lizardman) that way they could keep a theme going and bulk out the massive darkness enemies at the same time. I get that they are known for zombies, but I like the gameplay and it could be aliens for all it's worth.
I'll still go in for a buck, in case there's something I can't live without as a stretch goal, but off to spend my $$$ on something else that's been drawing me the last few weeks.
Same here - BUT doesn't CMON usually NOT let you 'just' buy addons if you don't buy in at at least the 'base game' level?
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Post by: Theophony
 Alpharius wrote: Theophony wrote:The more I'm seeing the more I'm willing to pass on this one. I think I would have been more excited for just plain orcs and not zombie orcs. They should have spun off Orcicide, then Verminicide(ratmen), then highlordicide(lizardman) that way they could keep a theme going and bulk out the massive darkness enemies at the same time. I get that they are known for zombies, but I like the gameplay and it could be aliens for all it's worth.
I'll still go in for a buck, in case there's something I can't live without as a stretch goal, but off to spend my $$$ on something else that's been drawing me the last few weeks.
Same here - BUT doesn't CMON usually NOT let you 'just' buy addons if you don't buy in at at least the 'base game' level?
Yes, my poor explanation was due to laziness. I meant I'll chuck in a buck to later go to a full pledge in the manager if something pops up that I MUST have.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Theophony wrote:The more I'm seeing the more I'm willing to pass on this one. I think I would have been more excited for just plain orcs and not zombie orcs.
What, specifically, about these Orcs makes them "zombified"?
It's a Zombicide aesthetic, to be sure, but if you just play them (or field them in Fantasy), is there an issue?
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Post by: Theophony
JohnHwangDD wrote: Theophony wrote:The more I'm seeing the more I'm willing to pass on this one. I think I would have been more excited for just plain orcs and not zombie orcs.
What, specifically, about these Orcs makes them "zombified"?
It's a Zombicide aesthetic, to be sure, but if you just play them (or field them in Fantasy), is there an issue?
Besides the bite marks, broken bones, stupid walking poses and the wood chunks driven all the way through them  I'll still go in for $1 in case it blows up, but I would have preferred a full reskin with living orcs instead of zombie orcs.
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Post by: Prestor Jon
Theophony wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote: Theophony wrote:The more I'm seeing the more I'm willing to pass on this one. I think I would have been more excited for just plain orcs and not zombie orcs.
What, specifically, about these Orcs makes them "zombified"?
It's a Zombicide aesthetic, to be sure, but if you just play them (or field them in Fantasy), is there an issue?
Besides the bite marks, broken bones, stupid walking poses and the wood chunks driven all the way through them I'll still go in for $1 in case it blows up, but I would have preferred a full reskin with living orcs instead of zombie orcs.
I'm pretty sure the render posted earlier shows the Orc Fatty is disemboweled in a similar fashion to the Z: BP Fatties.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
OK, and what about this says "Zombie"?
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Post by: ced1106
The huge swollen middle and ring fingers. Duh!
Well, at least I know what color to paint those "shards" sticking out of the Abomination bodies. In modern-day Z, I wasn't sure if they were bone, glass, or metal stuck in their bodies. Now I know it's bone. Or wood. Okay, still not sure. This is going to be a stretch if I want them to pass as "living" orcs and call all this stuff "ritual scarring". 
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Post by: Theophony
ced1106 wrote:
The huge swollen middle and ring fingers. Duh!
Well, at least I know what color to paint those "shards" sticking out of the Abomination bodies. In modern-day Z, I wasn't sure if they were bone, glass, or metal stuck in their bodies. Now I know it's bone. Or wood. Okay, still not sure. This is going to be a stretch if I want them to pass as "living" orcs and call all this stuff "ritual scarring".
And the wood chunks in his legs, shoulder and back. The proportions are also off.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Sorry, but I'm not buying it, especially for the Abom. It could just as well be a regular, battle-scarred Orc.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
It has a cat sized skull and the lower jaw of an elephant. Even for an orc, it's pretty ridiculous.
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Post by: Theophony
JohnHwangDD wrote:Sorry, but I'm not buying it, especially for the Abom. It could just as well be a regular, battle-scarred Orc.
Oh your RIGHT, how dare I have an opinion
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
No, it's not that you can't have an opinion. It's that your opinion is bad. None of those particular things are especially zombie-like. The Abom isn't obviously dead & rotting. At all. It looks alive and whole. :eyeroll:
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Post by: Prestor Jon
JohnHwangDD wrote:No, it's not that you can't have an opinion. It's that your opinion is bad. None of those particular things are especially zombie-like. The Abom isn't obviously dead & rotting. At all. It looks alive and whole. :eyeroll:
The Abom definitely looks more like a mutant orc than a zombie orc. While I agree with you that making the orcs and goblins more zombified would be better it's not a big deal to me. Having "zombie" orcs that are easier to blend in with regular orcs is fine since it makes the models more versatile and the zombieness of the models doesn't affect the gameplay. I have plenty of orcs coming to me in the Reaper Bones KS that I can use instead if the models really bother me.
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Post by: Theophony
JohnHwangDD wrote:No, it's not that you can't have an opinion. It's that your opinion is bad. None of those particular things are especially zombie-like. The Abom isn't obviously dead & rotting. At all. It looks alive and whole. :eyeroll:
They're green too 
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Post by: ced1106
Good point. I'll just stat him up as an orc and make my own KoW regiment!
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Post by: ecurtz
None of the Zombicide abominations look particularly like zombies. I think they're more in the vein of Resident Evil's other monsters that were somehow mutated by the same stuff causing the zombie outbreak.
I've got no explanation for the stuff sticking out of them though, that doesn't work aesthetically or logically on the other Zombicide versions and it doesn't work here either.
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Post by: DaveC
Mhmm yeah Abominations have been described as mutants more so than zombies - https://zombicide.com/en/pg/abomination/
But the other orcs could be a bit more distinctly Zombifide that said we have only seen 1 pose for each and stretch goals normally add alt poses (you now those fake stretch goals that should have been in the box from the start )
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
ecurtz wrote:None of the Zombicide abominations look particularly like zombies. I think they're more in the vein of Resident Evil's other monsters that were somehow mutated by the same stuff causing the zombie outbreak.
I've got no explanation for the stuff sticking out of them though, that doesn't work aesthetically or logically on the other Zombicide versions and it doesn't work here either.
True, Aboms are boss monsters a la ResEvil bosses.
Agreed that the stuff sticking out is a strange Zombicide choice, but it does visually distinguish a Zombicide zombie from a generic zombie.
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Post by: DaveC
The catapult was a siege weapon used to launch projectiles at large targets, aiming to cause maximum damage. The inventors might not have ever envisioned that target to be a big group of Orc zombies that have gathered too close together, but that’s just what the Survivors are going to be able to use it for in Zombicide: Green Horde. They’ll need that kind of medieval firepower when huge packs of undead Orcs start entering the board in unpredictable ways. Today we get our first look at the resin preview.
Zombicide: Green Horde is coming to Kickstarter on May 30.
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Post by: adamsouza
Okay, part of me is glad to get a cool big model, but really, do we need a catapult on a game board the size of Zombicide ?
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Post by: Alpharius
I know, right?
Although...how big is the playing area going to be here?
2 x boards, or more?
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Post by: Theophony
I might be wrong but I thought the horde spawned off the board, so is this just a prop to control to reduce the horde size before it enters play?
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Post by: Alpharius
Hell of an expensive prop then, but sure, why not?!?
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Post by: Nostromodamus
That will definitely be pulling double duty in my KoW Orc and Goblin army!
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Post by: Theophony
 Dragon
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Post by: 455_PWR
Dragon!!
He's going to see much use in zombicide and massive darkness (time to make custom boss cards )
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Post by: Theophony
I know he's beat up a bit, but is he a zombie dragon? If not I hope we get one of each
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Every time I look at this, my interest wanes for some reason.
Not enough "Zombie" I think...
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Post by: ced1106
Not enough nose on that dragon, either!
What sort of wargame and roleplaying games feature orc zombies??? I buy 28mm miniatures for use in other games (or so I say), and orc zombies aren't a common trope. There're some undead dragons in the various D&D boardgames, but that's all I can think of.
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Post by: Skinnereal
Today's the day.
But, not quite yet....
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Live!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/zombicide-green-horde?ref=user_menu
Backed for now, the new mechanics sound fun even if the Orcs aren't very zombie-like in some cases.
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Post by: xevv
Well it went past its funding goal as if there ever was a doubt.
Stuff looks ok, not sure if its very zombie'sh but maybe thats me. Ill be watching and see if I can resist backing or not
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Post by: DaveC
Definitely an expansion due as well - Friends and Foes
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Post by: Theophony
In for $1. Get ready for a ride.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Best character ever?
Fish priest with a gun? Sign me up!
Nice to see something besides the usual elf, dwarf, and barbarians.
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Post by: Aeneades
About 12 Stretch goals passed now including a werezombie but as I have a big Deep One collection this is my favourite -
Automatically Appended Next Post: edit: Hah! Automatically Appended Next Post: edit 2:
The Fishman is a from a deck building card game coming later in the year from CMON -
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Fish Priest is definitely coolest thing so far
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Post by: Aeneades
This update had another character from the new game -
Not as good as a fish priest but a nice change from the typical Black Plague design.
They also added a goal for a Swamp Lurker (not crossover model) -
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Makes me wonder if we'll have a Gateway related Abomination before that is all over.
But those guys are certainly more interesting to me than the usual ho-hum fantasy tropes.
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Post by: ecurtz
Loving the Sean Andrew Murray crossovers.
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Post by: Aeneades
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:Makes me wonder if we'll have a Gateway related Abomination before that is all over.
But those guys are certainly more interesting to me than the usual ho-hum fantasy tropes.
That creature from the cover would make a good Abomination, although would need to be downsized a little.
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Post by: DaveC
It looks like the Gateway Uprising stuff is going to be a 4 figure guest box included as part of the pledge neither figure so far is KS exclusive BP guest boxes included Survivors or Necromancers but not Abombinations
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Post by: Aeneades
George Michael -
I believe this is a Willow character (to go with the one in the first Black Plague game night box) -
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
The million dollar queen- is that supposed to be Bavmorda from Willow?
At this point I'm not even sure what's supposed to be a pop culture homage and what isn't.
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Post by: Aeneades
highlord tamburlaine wrote:The million dollar queen- is that supposed to be Bavmorda from Willow?
At this point I'm not even sure what's supposed to be a pop culture homage and what isn't.
That's what the Kickstarter comments say. Madmartigan from Willow is available in the Black Plague gaming night box #1.
I rely on the comments to tell me what is a tribute and what isn't. Much harder to tell then with regular Zombicide.
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Post by: Asterios
me thinks they will bust $1 Mil. on their first day, now have to see if I can afford me a set.
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Post by: Alpharius
Asterios wrote:me thinks they will bust $1 Mil. on their first day, now have to see if I can afford me a set.
Most ridiculous 'prediction' I've seen in a long time - congrats!
Was it at $950K when you made it?
I'm still on the fence on this one - I've got a ton of content for BP, and nothing's really jumping out at me here...yet!
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Post by: Aeneades
Happy to see the newest pair of stretch goals from Vikings. Hopefully they will add Floki.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
highlord tamburlaine wrote:The million dollar queen- is that supposed to be Bavmorda from Willow?
At this point I'm not even sure what's supposed to be a pop culture homage and what isn't.
Looks like Bavmorda with a yoga bod. Maybe she won't fall for that disappearing pig trick now that she's found her calm.
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Post by: Alpharius
$1.2M+ and well over 10,000 backers in a little over 7 hours...
...wow!
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Post by: TalonZahn
I can't wait to get this on the table mixed in with Black Plague.
Huge boards, tons of zombies, bodies flying everywhere!
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Post by: Moopy
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Best character ever?
Fish priest with a gun? Sign me up!
Nice to see something besides the usual elf, dwarf, and barbarians.
Not for me. I don't think it fits. Really don't want technology mixed up with fantasy.
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Post by: 455_PWR
Fish priest? Nice! Now we just need a dragonborn/draconum hero. There is jotting better than a flame breathing, wingless dragon the size of a large human with awesome weapons and armor.
This campaign had some great parodies, sculpts, and will add a ton to black plague.
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
@Moopy
Not sure if you're following the Kickstarter, but I'll say it here for the sake of anyone wondering; Cardinal Birmbauer is part of a guest box set designed to plug a new upcoming CMON game. I agree, they're not really to my flavour and clash a bit with the style of the game, but the fact they're a guest box means they're easy to identify, store, then sell/giveaway once the pledges arrive.
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Post by: ecurtz
By the end of this Kickstarter there will be 100+ heroes including those from the first Z:BP. Having one (or a dozen) you don't like won't be a big deal. I really like having a few goofy ones in there, even if I don't use them in game maybe they'll get painted.
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Post by: TalonZahn
Love the new "Not James Earl Jones" mini.
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Post by: Alpharius
Are you posting on a phone?
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Post by: TalonZahn
No, i'm at work, so who knows what kind of potato activity is involved.
[Edit] I also got a co-worker to get in on the KS. More players and more orcs!
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Post by: Necros
Looks good but I feel like I missed the boat since I skipped black plague, and if I just backed this I'd be missing out on the "full experience" so to speak
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Post by: TalonZahn
It can stand alone just fine. They also seemed to address a couple of the minor issues in this version compared to last.
Having Black Plague would just allow for more stuff, bigger games, extra hero choices.
Although as mentioned, there will probably be 100 heroes in this one, so missing 8, or 20, shouldn't be a big deal.
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Post by: anab0lic
Biggest problem I had with the original was the game was just too damn easy, I lose interest pretty fast when theres not much challenge involved in any kind of game. Our survivors wernt really in any danger of dying on the missions we played and after a while it was just going through the motions. I Can't be the only one that had that experience with this game? It's a great casual/party/family game though and introduction to the world of table top gaming. But if you like games that are gonna kick your arse and take a good while to figure out I think you will be disappointed like I was. Perhaps theres some custom rules that up the difficulty some, would have been cool if there was difficulty levels in the rule book or something.
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Post by: Necros
Seriously 100 heroes? Other than stretch goal filler, why would you need that many? I guess having options are nice but that seems kinda excessive.. or will there be like 500 enemies to make up for it?
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I believe he meant there will be 100 heroes across the franchise after this campaign.
I love the heroes and some of the homage figures, but don't want any of the orcs or rules or any of that. Is there likely to be a way to buy that stuff piecemeal? Anyone interested in splitting a pledge?
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Post by: TalonZahn
Yea, the 100 remark is an exaggeration, but there are a TON of heroes.
The base Black Plague game has 6 in the box, then there were like... 8-10 "Guest Boxes" with 4 more heroes in most of them. Then there were the KS only Heroes. So there had to be close to 50+ total. I didn't get in on the KS, but bought at retail. [ Edit] At retail, there are right at 60 Heroes, not couting all the KS Exclusive Heroes.
There are already 21 Heroes in this KS so far and we're not even 24 hours into it.
@ana - We thought it was really easy at first as well, but then noticed we had missed a rule somewhere and it became a little more difficult. If you want to make it even harder, create your own scenarios. That's where the real replay comes from.
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
Necros wrote:Seriously 100 heroes? Other than stretch goal filler, why would you need that many? I guess having options are nice but that seems kinda excessive.. or will there be like 500 enemies to make up for it?
Variety and fun. IMO, the Black Plague minis are better than Bones as generic RPG characters. You get plenty of zombies anyways, and one of the mechanics is that if you cant "spawn" a particular type of zombie, all zombies of that type get an extra activation. Therefore it's important to limit the number of zombies in the base box to encourage zombie hunting due to fear of extra activations. If you have a huge pile in reserve, you can let them build up longer and the game is more predictable.
I still would have preferred them to just be regular orcs and goblins over zombified versions though.
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Post by: Necros
I do have Massive Darkness coming my way sooner or later.. are the heroes or monsters compatible in any way, or is that a whole different game world and all? Would be cool if you could at least swap the heroes around for all games.
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Post by: ecurtz
There's a crossover pack that was available in the Massive Darkness campaign (and probably from CMoN once MD ships?) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/massive-darkness/posts/1606092
It's very likely that there will be a similar package for this campaign.
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Post by: Alpharius
 TalonZahn wrote:
No, i'm at work, so who knows what kind of potato activity is involved.
[Edit] I also got a co-worker to get in on the KS. More players and more orcs!
Just wondering why no pretty pictures posted here, only boring text!
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Post by: Nostromodamus
That render is SPOT ON.
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Post by: Talizvar
DaveC wrote:The artwork for Earl Jamie didn't scream James Earl Jones as Thulsa Doom but the sculpt nailed it.
That face!
Utterly nailed it.
Anyone painting that model as a white guy would be committing a mortal sin.
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Post by: TalonZahn
You can't ignore his fluff card.
Spoiler of Doom.... enjoys Riddles...
I love CMON, lol...
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Post by: Nostromodamus
His were-form should be a giant snake
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Post by: TalonZahn
And don't forget the Prince homage.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Need a David Bowie in there as Ziggy or Aladdin or Tesla or the Thin White Duke, or something besides the Goblin King.
Swamp Lurker gives off such a Hordes Night Troll vibe, I wonder if Jason Hendricks sculpted that as well.
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Post by: DaveC
More from Conan - Valeria tribute
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Out of curiosity, anybody have an idea of who some of the first few exclusive survivors are homages to?
The rest seem fairly straightforward. Only other ambiguous reference is the wizard Kelsey, who I'm certain enough is a not-Frasier Crane/Kelsey Grammer.
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Post by: Talizvar
Oh, I think I am going to really like this one.
Just the right amount of character to these pieces.
I have always been tempted to make a 3D version of the tiles for these Zombicide kits.
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Post by: TalonZahn
Up next, Iron Fist Ali, includes a Mike Tyson "No Biting" joke.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I saw the name and was hoping for a Spartacus TV show themed sculpt.
I'll take Ali though. Always a fan of monk/ hand to hand fighter sculpts.
We'll need Crixus and Spartacus as well though...
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Post by: Talizvar
I am hoping for a double bolt, sawed off cross-bow wielding wasteland warrior called "Mad Mac".
We need at least one Pirate... their choice.
Anything portraying Robert Rodriguez (wielding a machete) would complete everything.
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Post by: ecurtz
Maybe not the best meme, but nice they had the easy opportunity to rename something.
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Post by: TalonZahn
Good times.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
That's awesome
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Post by: TalonZahn
It probably won't be relevant by the time we get our stuff, but still....
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
TalonZahn wrote:It probably won't be relevant by the time we get our stuff, but still....
Agreed, but that at least the Monty Python reference will stand the test of time. Plus that thing looks fun to paint!
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Post by: Theophony
Not only a great Monty Python nod, but would be an excellent stand in for a Tzeentch force.
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Post by: Justyn
With all these deceased musicians, I demand a Freddy Mercury!
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Post by: Ctaylor
Justyn wrote:With all these deceased musicians, I demand a Freddy Mercury!
I like you.
Wasn't going to back this since we haven't played enough Black Plague to justify another set, but the minis are looking good and I like the siege engines. Oh, yeah, you can't spend it when you're gone!
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Post by: Stormonu
I've been trying to avoid KS after the RRT debacle, but damn - this may suck me back in. AAAARGH!!!
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Post by: Bull0
Yeah, I've managed to stay away from kickstarter for about a year, but I've been eyeing up various Zombicide games for a while - and this looks like a great deal! And they had me at covfefe
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Post by: Azazelx
ecurtz wrote:Maybe not the best meme, but nice they had the easy opportunity to rename something.
So... what's this a homage to/meme reference to?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Just some usual Trump tweeting idiocy. I'm kind of disappointed it doesn't have a shock of blonde hair. Or it's main colour isn't orange...
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Post by: Theophony
 Azazelx wrote:ecurtz wrote:Maybe not the best meme, but nice they had the easy opportunity to rename something.
So... what's this a homage to/meme reference to?
The monster is from Monty Python Holy Grail, the creature in the cave of AAAARRGGHH. The name is a spoof off of what's going on in American politics.
And next up is Wolverine as a dwarf.
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Post by: Talizvar
 Stormonu wrote:I've been trying to avoid KS after the RRT debacle, but damn - this may suck me back in. AAAARGH!!!
Oh I am with you on this one.
But I see boxes and boxes of Zombicide get stocked and go out the door so this is a rather safe bet.
Plus where else will you get a miniature of this?:
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Post by: TalonZahn
Ever wonder what Wolverine would look like as a Dwarf?
Wonder no more!
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Justyn wrote:With all these deceased musicians, I demand a Freddy Mercury!
You shoulda saved that demand for a million dollars imo
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Post by: DaveC
or $1,920,000
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I can't believe they didn't somehow squeeze the word "mercurial" in his description, lol.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Damn. The only way to get all these is the $120 pledge?
Damn.
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Post by: Theophony
Or $2000 off eBay in a year
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Post by: ced1106
Vault Warden's probably a zombified minotaur, but it makes me think that I'd rather have a Zombicide: BP game themed around demons and undead, rather than orc and goblin zombies.
With Reaper Bones IV and Dwarven Forge coming, I still haven't pledged yet.
I'm still waiting for their Blackadder and Baldrick SG's, though. <-- Idle speculation
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Post by: Moopy
Love the zombified monsters!
Never was big on the musicians. I get that it's a CMON thing, but they feel kinda shoehorned in. TONS of Fantasy spoofs still available to chose from.
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Post by: Theophony
Agreed, I love queen and prince music, but not a huge fan of the people that I need figs for them.
I'd actually prefer to get twice as many zombie orcs than all the guest stars. Still not a fan of zombie orcs, they should of done orcicide and then green horde, but I need more villains to paint. I don't like extra actions.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Indeed, I really would rather see more regular zombies. I always prefer putting more zombies down than getting extra activations. It's especially important to have more available with the horde mechanic. Maybe they will be an add-on?
Good luck trying to let CMON know that though, they seem to ignore PM's and anything you write in the comments is drowned within 30 seconds by inane bs.
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Post by: Theophony
Glad I'm not the only one to see that.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Basically any project "Eddie the Zombie Panda" is part of, you are guaranteed the creators will never see your input.
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Post by: xevv
 Nostromodamus wrote:Indeed, I really would rather see more regular zombies. I always prefer putting more zombies down than getting extra activations. It's especially important to have more available with the horde mechanic. Maybe they will be an add-on?
Good luck trying to let CMON know that though, they seem to ignore PM's and anything you write in the comments is drowned within 30 seconds by inane bs.
Yea I was wondering how great all these heroes are for people who actually play the games (I use the models for other things, have never actually played a game of zbp and Im sure thatll hold true for this and MD as well)
But at this point if youve backed all 3 of those games on KS (obviously not everyone will have but still) youll be sitting on a rather large pile of heroes, and using one per game, itll take quite a few games to even try them all once. Now maybe that much variety is not a bad thing but I cant help but wonder if something that saw the table a little more often than once every couple dozen or more games would be preferable.
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Post by: Aeneades
Nostromodamus wrote:
Basically any project "Eddie the Zombie Panda" is part of, you are guaranteed the creators will never see your input.
He wasn't too bad until Mantic decided to reward his spam by adding him into a future Walking Dead expansion as a zombie. Now he just spams every Miniature based in an attempt to get more free stuff. I think he was behaving me the Massive Dark was unicorn campaign as well which succeeded. I wouldn't mind if he actually made constructive posts but he just spams BS.
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Post by: Alpharius
He's got...almost 19,000 comments posted in about 39 campaigns backed?
But yes, it kind of highlights how many KS comments sections quickly become...not useful.
Glad to have Dakka Dakka here to answer most of the questions we have that come up, somehow, someway!
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Post by: DaveC
Friends, now it's time for an Optional Buy that many have been eagerly awaiting:
The Friends and Foes Optional Buy is a full expansion for Zombicide: Green Horde. For $50 this box contains a myriad extras to enrich your Zombicide experience. On the "Friends" side, it includes not only new Survivors and weapons to equip them, but also faithful Familiars to aid them in their quests. On the "Foes" side, you have the challenging Tainted Walkers and Abomination, from which you'll want to keep your distance, 5 new treacherous tiles, and 10 new deadly Quests!
The full contents of the Zombicide: Friends and Foes expansion are:
4 Survivor figures and ID cards
6 Familiar figures
18 Tainted Walker figures
1 Tainted Abomination figure
5 double-sided tiles
17 Equipment cards
14 Zombie cards
Rulebook with 10 new Quests
But backers acquiring the expansion during the Kickstarter will also get:
1 North the Halfling Exclusive Survivor figure and ID card
Now let's explore each of these a little more in depth:
Friends and Foes brings an eclectic group of Survivors, including a ranger, a mage, a shieldmaiden, and a half-orc!
Katelyn
Doran
Solveig
Kabral
This expansion contains 11 new Equipment cards, featuring 5 different weapons and spells for Survivors to use. From the Power Wave spell, that makes your other spells even more powerful; to the Horn Bow, which can aim at specific targets bypassing the Targeting Priority rules; to the Heavy Sword and Dagger, which become even more deadly when equipped together!
Friends and Foes brings a new challenge to Survivors in the form of Tainted Zombies, including Tainted Walkers and the powerful Tainted Abomination!
Tainted Walkers are zombified Orcs who are even more corrupted and hateful than the normal breed of Orc Zombies. This shows on their infection as putrid and spiky growths. Upon being destroyed, the Tainted Walkers splutter acid blood and trash around with their infected spikes, so you don't want to be anywhere near these foul creatures on their final death throes.
Tainted Walkers are considered Orc Walkers, dealing 2 damage per attack, benefitting from Orc Walkers extra activation cards, and contributing to the Horde when they're spawned. However, if you're standing in the same Zone as a Tainted Walker when you kill it, you automatically suffer a 2-damage hit (which might be prevented by armor).
Likewise, the Tainted Abomination is a brute that you really don't want to kill while standing in its Zone, as you'll endure a hit that deals 3 damage!
In order to help Survivors face this new threat, the Friends and Foes expansion int[/img]roduces Familiars to the game. These fantastic animals will be your companions, helping you out in different ways and granting you some very welcome bonuses!
Familiars are Equipment cards that Survivors may start the game with, or that different Quests may indicate should be part of the Equipment deck or tied to specific Objectives. Placed on its Handler Backpack, Familiars count as Survivors that can only endure 1 Wound and may move freely with its Handler, or be sent out on its own. The Handler may choose to spend their own Actions to have their Familiar Move around, Search for equipment, or even Attack the Zombies! Each Familiar possesses different Skills and Attack stats, bringing different strategies to the game.
While all Familiars are able to Move 3 Zones per Move Action, ignoring Zombies with Slippery, they each bring something different to their Handler:
Dog of War: This canine is truly a Survivor's best friend. Its attack is a flurry of teeth that can wipe out numerous Orc Walkers and other weaker zombies. Meanwhile, if it's standing next to its Handler, the Survivor gains +1 dice to their Melee attacks.
Wolf: This massive beast is able to bring an Orc Fatty with its powerful attacks. If it's standing in the same Zone as its Handler, the Survivor gains +2 dice to their Melee attacks.
Flying Feline: While this fantastic creature's attacks may not be the most lethal, as it flies above the fray, its connection to its Handler can grant them a powerful tactical advantage. The Flying Feline extends the range of its Handler's attacks, and allows the Survivor to see over buildings and hedges (which may also allow for some amazing trick shots!).
The expansion comes with 2 different copies of each Familiar, so every Survivor can have a companion.
Finally, this expansion comes with 5 double-sided game tiles, featuring new artwork and new configurations of buildings, streets, hedges, and waterhole zones. The 10 new Quests included in Friends and Foes take full advantage of the extra variety introduced by these new tiles.
While the Friends and Foes expansion will be later available on retail for an estimated SRP of $60, backers acquiring it through this Kickstarter campaign will also receive the bonus Kickstarter Exclusive Survivor North the Halfling, including his miniature and ID card!
If you're interested in purchasing this optional buy, please just click the "Manage Your Pledge" button on the Zombicide: Green Horde Kickstarter page and in the pledge manager add $50. We'll sort out what your extra money is going towards after the campaign has closed and we've sent out our Pledge Manager.
For the Green Horde!
Furiosa
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Nice. I wonder if we'll see any Robin Wright homage minis.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Huh. Didn't even realize it was supposed to be Furiosa.
Wonder if we'll get Immortan at some point...
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Post by: ArtIsGreat
Popeyes arms on those tainted zombies pretty goofy!
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Post by: DaveC
New Zombies - I wouldn't mind getting a few more as paid Add On I can think of other uses for them.
Fatty Bursters are a terrifying version of standard Fatties. While they don't benefit from standard Fatty extra activation cards, any Fatty Burster spawn card that is drawn gives an extra activation to any Fatty Bursters on the board, before spawning a single new Fatty Burster.
But, of course, the most notable thing about them is the fact they are always about to explode with devastating consequences! Whenever it enters a Survivor's Zone, or if a crazy Survivor ends up in its Zone, or if it is destroyed by an attack, the Fatty Burster explodes instantly, dealing 2 automatic damage to ALL actors in the Zone (Survivors and Zombies alike). That means that while a Fatty Burster can wipe out an entire party of careless Survivors, they may also be used by cunning players to blow up an entire mob of zombies!
For the Green Horde!
Automatically Appended Next Post:
and more of Jason's Abombinations
http://monster-zer0.blogspot.ie/2017/06/zombicide-black-plague-green-horde.html
http://monster-zer0.blogspot.ie/2017/06/zombicide-black-plague-green-horde_5.html
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Post by: TalonZahn
This morning we get... Totally Not Ironman!
Looks pretty cool to me.
Although the picture of the posed mini makes him look like he needs to take a whizz.
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Meh.
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Post by: Theophony
I hate to say it but my funds are REALLY tight right now, and nothing is jumping out at me that I have to have. Even though wolverine and Tony are favorites, the biggest thing I'll miss out on is the magenta monster for my Monty Python crew . Still in for $1 right now, but nothing in the gotta have it or else pile.
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Post by: Grenoir
Are people able to purchase just the Fatty Bursters and Friends & Foes pack by backing for $60?
I really like Black Plague but don't fancy so similar a game with my current tight funds, whereas those two additions, particularly if the Bursters are only available here and now, would be good for BP
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Post by: Skinnereal
FAQ #4:
"You can make a $1 pledge now, and when the Pledge Manager goes live after the campaign has ended you can add more funds to get a full pledge and any add-ons you'd like."
Or, get in with an existing pledger and get them to up their order by 1 box.
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Post by: Grenoir
 Skinnereal wrote:FAQ #4:
"You can make a $1 pledge now, and when the Pledge Manager goes live after the campaign has ended you can add more funds to get a full pledge and any add-ons you'd like."
Or, get in with an existing pledger and get them to up their order by 1 box.
I did read that but it says "add funds to get a full pledge and any add-ons", it doesn't say add more than $1 to just get add-ons, hence wondering if just add-ons is allowed
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Post by: Skinnereal
Oh yeah.
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Post by: Ctaylor
CMON has never allowed add-ons without a core game.
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Post by: Grenoir
Thanks for the info! Shame though.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 Grenoir wrote: Skinnereal wrote:FAQ #4:
"You can make a $1 pledge now, and when the Pledge Manager goes live after the campaign has ended you can add more funds to get a full pledge and any add-ons you'd like."
Or, get in with an existing pledger and get them to up their order by 1 box.
I did read that but it says "add funds to get a full pledge and any add-ons", it doesn't say add more than $1 to just get add-ons, hence wondering if just add-ons is allowed
Probably not allowed. I asked that same question during Rivet Wars and they said, "Yes." So I pledged for some add ons. Then, just before shipping, they changed their minds and told me I'd need to up to a full pledge level in addition to my add ons to receive them. Long story short, they opted to refund me rather than sell the add ons without the core pledge.
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Post by: DaveC
Just about at $2.5 million, they've added one of those everything you get graphics now
Next goal @$2550k - Gorgomination - another Stranger Things reference (which is itself a D&D reference) - Mike (Billy) and Dustin (North) are the other 2.
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Post by: RiTides
Some neat stuff here, but yikes some of those homage figures are lame. It's funny now as a meme, but when they don't fit the game theme at all I really wonder what they add...
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Post by: Bellygrub
Do you mean the Covfefe? He's an homage to the Black Beast of Aaargh! from the Holy Grail.
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Post by: ecurtz
The much requested by commenters tribute to Lemmy.
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Post by: TalonZahn
Chazz: Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?
Chris Moore: Lemmy.
[Rex imitates a game show buzzer]
Chris Moore: ... God?
Rex: Wrong, dill weed, trick question. Lemmy *IS* God.
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Post by: TalonZahn
Also, before Lemmy, there is Leia.
Art looks good, the face on the mini looks like a pretty old Leia....
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Zombiecide: (Dead) Celebrities?
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Post by: Theophony
Almost two weeks since the last post , only 4 days left. Next up is a giant survivor......an actual giant fig. Regular survivors come up to his thigh sort of big. I'm on my phone and can't link it right now. I'm in only for a buck and will most likely let this one pass due to funds, but they also have the Black Plague survivors in an Ultimate formate for a $30 add on.
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Post by: DaveC
Theophony wrote:Almost two weeks since the last post , only 4 days left. Next up is a giant survivor......an actual giant fig. Regular survivors come up to his thigh sort of big. I'm on my phone and can't link it right now. I'm in only for a buck and will most likely let this one pass due to funds, but they also have the Black Plague survivors in an Ultimate formate for a $30 add on.
Finarton here is a unique case among the survivors- namely in the fact that he is a Giant- which brings with it some unique properties, such as being able to see over building and hedges that the "shorter folk" cant (of course, this means he can be seen as well), as well as having a longer reach than most when it comes to attacking.
Perhaps his most interesting feature, however, is his unique power to, well, throw things around (hey, being that big has plenty of benefits). Friends and foe alike can be tossed by the mighty Finarton, dealing damage based on their equipped weapon (in the case of allies) or how big they are (in the case of enemies)- Oh, and don't worry when it comes to tossing allies around, it's a coordinated effort, so they won't get hurt! ... Though we're sure they would appreciate not being thrown into a large mob of zombies!
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
So we get a giant now as a good guy? Cool.
Makes me hopeful they let us do something with a dragon as a hero in the end.
A bit indifferent about those upgraded heroes. I feel they could use even more bling to make them stand out even more.
What are everyone's thoughts towards the value of Green Horde compared to Black Plague?
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Post by: xevv
Everytime I think about this stuff I flipflop on the buy/dont buy. In regards to all the models be it the base set/exclusives or even expansions, I like pretty much half of it.
Right now Im in for a dollar so Ill have more time to decide, hoping for a run of a few models I really like toward the end here to help my decision making.
But odds are Ill be in for the base/deadeyes/ultimate survivors.
Who else thinks the ultimate survivors have world of warcraft syndrome in regards to their oversized style of armor?
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Post by: DaveC
Last 10 hours now at $4,483,089
next up @$4.7m Chromatiz returns but a bit worse for wear.
I could careless about the MD version but I do like the zombie version
Selection of recent goals
Wonder Woman
Storm
Giant and Zombie version
What you get
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Post by: xevv
So much for that big special thing at the end that was going to push my decision to back over the top...
Unless you want to count those giants a million dollars back anyway :/
I probably wouldnt even care had they just rearranged the order the SG's went in. But as is the last million worth for the final push of the campaign is rather disappointing to me.
Maybe its my fault for expecting something alot larger/cooler than that unicorn like in all the previous cmon kickstarters
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Post by: PsychoticStorm
A box to put the extra stuff in, I would wish all their kickstarters and the kickstarters of others had such streach goals.
It is one of the most practical things to give out.
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Post by: ced1106
Well, I didn't back it either, because of the theme (no call for zombie orcs in my other 28mm games) and SG's (not a fan of the musicians or shows, and can get superhero mini's elsewhere). Considering that shipping will cost $25+, you're paying just under $150 without the add-ons. I don't think it's your fault. For that much money, I'd like to have an "MUST BUY" reaction, rather than an iffy response. Reaper's KS is coming up "soon" and I'm waiting to see what they have to offer.
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Post by: TalonZahn
Lords of Hellas had a box, with an insert even, as a stretch goal to hold stuff.
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Post by: xevv
PsychoticStorm wrote:A box to put the extra stuff in, I would wish all their kickstarters and the kickstarters of others had such streach goals.
It is one of the most practical things to give out.
Yea Im not strictly against the box, although in the end it is just a box, and I will already have 5 boxes with zombicide art on the side of them before this one to toss guys in... I just am let down that there wasnt a big ticket model at the end. I dont see how you could claim anything other than maybe the giants a ways back could even qualify if you compare to their previous KS'ers
ced1106 wrote:Well, I didn't back it either, because of the theme (no call for zombie orcs in my other 28mm games) and SG's (not a fan of the musicians or shows, and can get superhero mini's elsewhere). Considering that shipping will cost $25+, you're paying just under $150 without the add-ons. I don't think it's your fault. For that much money, I'd like to have an "MUST BUY" reaction, rather than an iffy response. Reaper's KS is coming up "soon" and I'm waiting to see what they have to offer.
Yea I feel you, the 300 Im on the fence with for this one is starting to seem more and more questionable. Thats alot of money (to me anyway) and there are very possibly better places to spend it. How long till reapers launches? I think Ill be sticking with 1$ till the pledge manager deadline eventually gets here on this one.
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Post by: ced1106
And they didn't have a Blackadder or Baldrick survivor! What's up with that???
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Post by: Theophony
I'm in for the $1 placeholder. Don't really need/want the box as I see it as costing me more in shipping than anything. Unless they pack all the goodies in their to begin with  . Even still I've only watched a few episodes of Stranger things, and wasn't blown away, and the fact you must buy the expansions to even finish off that set seems like a cheap trick. Some of the musicians I like, but the rest are meh! I feel almost obligated to buy it because of the Monty Python stuff, but theirs so much stuff that could have gone into other genre zombicides, all the marvel and DC characters would have been better in contemporary Zombicide.
And I was hoping for an abominaduck....they weigh the same as a church.
And shameless plug of my giant wooden rabbit:
Survivors can hide inside it.
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Post by: BigDaddio
I put in a buck as well. Not sure I'd ever get around to using all this stuff, and money is tight. But the dragon and giant, among others, is tempting.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I went in mostly for the giant, dragon, and some of the monsters. With the cross over cards for massive darkness I'm good with it for $120 for all the figures. Plus all the exclusives make for some pretty solid figures for D&D characters
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Post by: Skinnereal
It is the extra features in the boards for me. Hedges and streams looked to be a good idea, and I wanted to see how they play out.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I ended up passing on GH. Fantasy Zcide just doesn't capture my imagination.
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Post by: DaveC
Some good news
The Pledge Manager is being set up right now, so keep an eye out for it, as it should launch in 1-2 weeks.....
Things are going so well for the core box that we actually have an announcement to make:
While the expansions still have considerable work ahead of them, the Green Horde core box is in such good shape that we're going to produce it and ship it to backers in advance! This means this campaign will ship in 2 waves:
- Wave 1 will contain only the Green Horde core boxes you order. It will ship from the factory before the end of the year. Unfortunately we can't promise delivery by Christmas, but we'll try our best. It's very possible some backers will receive it In January-February 2018. We'll keep you updated.
- Wave 2 will contain all the Stretch Goals and Optional Buys. It retains the same initial delivery estimate of June 2018.
With this early Wave 1 it's even more important that, once the Pledge Manager launches, you complete it and confirm it quickly, otherwise you'll have to wait a long while.
For the Green Horde!
Production miniatures
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Post by: TalonZahn
I have no idea what to think..... a KS game being shipped AHEAD of schedule??
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
TalonZahn wrote:I have no idea what to think..... a KS game being shipped AHEAD of schedule??
I have received multiple KS games ahead of schedule.
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Post by: TalonZahn
That's great for you!
I have not.
Aren't you a fellow RRT backer?
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Post by: Theophony
I'm still on the fence with this one. I'm in for $1, but not enough cool characters and Necromunda is coming for ALL my hobby funds.
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Post by: Prestor Jon
Theophony wrote:I'm still on the fence with this one. I'm in for $1, but not enough cool characters and Necromunda is coming for ALL my hobby funds.
If you like Z: BP and play it often enough you might want to at least get the core box as it will allow for a sizeable expansion with more tiles, different terrain features and rules for modified gameplay. I only did the core box for Z: BP and regret not getting the expansions at the time, but I wanted to make sure my kids would enjoy the game, now that I know they do I went in pretty big on Green Tide.
I'm also excited that Necromunda is coming back but I'm going to wait until all the gangs are released before I choose a gang to start. I'd like to continue with House Orlock before starting a new gang.
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Post by: Fango
I missed out on this when it was live...any way to late-pledge?
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Post by: xevv
Still on the fence for this one, although I have pretty much talked myself down to the base pledge at best at this point.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
TalonZahn wrote:
That's great for you!
I have not.
Aren't you a fellow RRT backer?
It was quite the pleasant surprise to receive those games early.
Yes, I split a RRT pledge. I wish I had never put a penny to them.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 Fango wrote:I missed out on this when it was live...any way to late-pledge?
If you don't see a late pledge option on the KS page, try sending them a message. They are usually responsive when someone shoves money towards them.
If that's a no go, there might be someone local to you with a pledge you can piggyback on.
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Post by: Psychopomp
I went in for $1 to hold open the door for the Massive Darkness crossover pack, and just in case I got interested in more fantasy Zombicide.
But honestly, hobby funds are going to be really tight for the next few months, and I don't have Massive Darkness yet to make the judgement call on whether I want to go in on Black Plague to support it. (I have and prefer the modern-day Zombicide. I just like post-apoc zombie stuff more than fantasy necromancer uprising.) So, I dunno if I'm gonna go any further in on this. I really wish the crossover packs would go to retail instead of being Kickstarter exclusive.
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Post by: xevv
 Psychopomp wrote: I really wish the crossover packs would go to retail instead of being Kickstarter exclusive.
They are going to retail...
They never were an exclusive for GH
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Post by: Psychopomp
xevv wrote: Psychopomp wrote: I really wish the crossover packs would go to retail instead of being Kickstarter exclusive.
They are going to retail...
They never were an exclusive for GH
Huh. I went back and checked, and you're right...the GH crossover pack isn't marked exclusive. Yet the BP pack was. Has that changed now? Are they planning to release both packs at retail? Releasing only the Green Horde pack doesn't seem like it would make much sense, honestly.
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Naw sadly the pack that was with MD is still KS only, it was also a much better deal.
The ones from GH dont give you cards for KSE models, and cost nearly twice as much... guess the price of paper really went up...
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