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done & done
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
What page were the leaked warscrolls on?
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Post by: Lord Kragan
I think you'll have better luck looking for them in war-of-sigmar.
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Post by: Prometheum5
I don't AoS, but these are really speaking to me. I can see a gorgeous display with a couple of those gunships and some appropriate backdrops.
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Post by: ph34r
Great pics! Thanks to wellofeternity for posting them in the other thread.
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Post by: Breotan
I wonder how long it will be before they release a Start Collecting box?
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Post by: Lord Kragan
 Breotan wrote:I wonder how long it will be before they release a Start Collecting box?
My bet will be somewhere along the ballpark of 4 (august, with new GHB) to 8 (christmass) months and will do so with a smidge of additional SC!
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Breotan wrote:I wonder how long it will be before they release a Start Collecting box?
Implying they will get one. Given the prices of every ship, I'd expect them to get a Battleforce instead.
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Post by: krazynadechukr
Kharadron. Everytime I read it, I hear ShockACon song....
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CHAKA KHAN
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Post by: Alpharius
Please remember to stay on topic here - the topic being "Age of Sigmar - Kharadon Overlords".
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Post by: Tannhauser42
 Prometheum5 wrote:I don't AoS, but these are really speaking to me. I can see a gorgeous display with a couple of those gunships and some appropriate backdrops.
Same here: I don't play AoS, but these models definitely tempt me. Fortunately, I'm moving into a new house this week, so I can't afford any toys anytime soon.
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Post by: Carnikang
An Admiral, unit of Arkonauts, and a Gunhauler would come in about $130 Usd. Other SC are far better value. I wouldn't put it past the new GW.
The style of the army is great, and I can't wait to see what's next, or even if there will be further additions to new and old armies.
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Post by: Baron Klatz
I'll be deeply shocked if they don't get something for Christmas. Their mass popularity deserves at least a Santa Overlord with airship sleigh on their community site for the holidays.
I'm excited for what might be on the menu for next year's releases as well.
2016 we got 3 Destruction forces,1 Order and 1 Death.
2017 we're getting 3 Order, 2 chaos. (not counting Khorne battletome or ShadeSpire)
So maybe 2018 will be 3 Death factions with pirate Grots? 
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Tempted by these for using as boromites in Antares. Will have to see what else gets released.
Don't like the balloonists though, they are a pass
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Post by: Lord Kragan
 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:Tempted by these for using as boromites in Antares. Will have to see what else gets released.
Don't like the balloonists though, they are a pass
Those are not baloons, those are the engines (kind of).
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Post by: Gamgee
If any of the new AoS only armies so far have a shot of getting a new model before any of the others (storm cast don't count) then it's these cool Kharadron Overlords.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
If the medium ship is 65€ tho, how much will the big one be? Baneblade price?
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I'm hoping so, but I'd not discard it being priced like a knight-gallant.
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Post by: silverstu
£80 had been mentioned I think, but not confirmed so around a Baneblade type price.
These guys have finally got me into AoS, they are brilliant- love the whole range. I can definitely see them getting a battle force set at Christmas and I hope they get a ShadeSpire gang [?].
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Don't know if anyone mentioned it in the old threat but Overlord and Thunderer were both names of Squat units back in the day.
Y'know, just in case there's any doubt about who these guys are supposed to be 
I'm thinking counts as Tau... Skimmers, mechsuits, godly firepower.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:Don't know if anyone mentioned it in the old threat but Overlord and Thunderer were both names of Squat units back in the day. Y'know, just in case there's any doubt about who these guys are supposed to be I'm thinking counts as Tau... Skimmers, mechsuits, godly firepower.
Thunderers have also been the name of Dwarf Handgunners since forever... So y'know, there's that.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Don't know if anyone mentioned it in the old threat but Overlord and Thunderer were both names of Squat units back in the day.
Y'know, just in case there's any doubt about who these guys are supposed to be
I'm thinking counts as Tau... Skimmers, mechsuits, godly firepower.
They are supposed to be these: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dwarf-Thunderers-Quarrellers
As for overlords, it's a race, not unit.
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Post by: Verviedi
...Did they take that entry, and just find/replace "Dwarf" with "duardin"? Why isn't "Duardin" capitalized?
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Lord Kragan wrote: Fenrir Kitsune wrote:Tempted by these for using as boromites in Antares. Will have to see what else gets released.
Don't like the balloonists though, they are a pass
Those are not baloons, those are the engines (kind of).
Either way - they look a bit too daft being parachuted with iron balls like that. Dud unit of the release.
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Post by: Rayvon
So the Arkanaut Frigate sold out on the GW site already, it must really be a hit !
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Post by: Pariah-Miniatures
Yeah I'm just not into them. Beyond high fantasy. I am hoping that since 'dwarves' have gotten two faction releases they will be untouched for awhile, as the other races need some life breathed into them.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:Lord Kragan wrote: Fenrir Kitsune wrote:Tempted by these for using as boromites in Antares. Will have to see what else gets released.
Don't like the balloonists though, they are a pass
Those are not baloons, those are the engines (kind of).
Either way - they look a bit too daft being parachuted with iron balls like that. Dud unit of the release.
I'm going to find a way to spam them because I like the models so much, to each their own I think.
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Post by: Gamgee
My order is shipping. Will be up here in Canada next Tuesday and I can read the battletomb.
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Post by: silverstu
 NinthMusketeer wrote:I'm going to find a way to spam them because I like the models so much, to each their own I think.
Yep- I think they are my favourite unit of the release [and I love everything]. Definitely going to have a load of the sky riggers/wardens.
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
Hmmmm, element games seem to have limited stock of these. Are GW limiting the amount they are giving to online sellers?
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Post by: Yodhrin
Probably just wary of overselling preorders thanks to GW's habit of shorting indie retailers if a release proves really popular and they need extra webstore stock.
On the Bobblenoughts I've come to agree with ninthmusketeer and silverstu, I really like 'em, and at first they were the part of the release I was least keen on. Still not quite sure of that Tophat McMechabaron character version, but the slightly derpy artwork of him makes me like him a little more than I thought I would.
Anyway I'm surrendering to the inevitable and planning out a small force of these guys - once I start coming up with mental 40K conversion ideas for steampunk Skitarii drop regiments from a gas giant Forgeworld, I expect I'm past the point of no return.
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Post by: Gamgee
My fav models of the range. Aetheric Navigator > Ironclad > Gunhauler > Skywardens > Brokk.
I like the whole range (wouldn't get them if I didn't), but these are the stand outs for me. The Aetheric Navigator is so steampunk it hurts.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Look forward to seeing what you lot come up with for this army
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Post by: Gamgee
I'm using cotton for clouds on the bases of my ships. I know that.
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Post by: Cataphract
Join Today (or next week)
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Man I need to think of a cool guild motto or slogan for my Kharadron's.
*Hiring Gamgee's Grunngorpse might lead to unexpected cargo dumps in uncharted skies to avoid any Imperial entanglements. Your agreement will always be honoured**subject to the interpretations of the code** If you are unsatisfied with GG Co's services limited rebate coupons will be distributed and redeemable in applicable participating ports
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
I'm brainstorming color scheme ideas. My favorite idea thus far is copper/bronze with a heavy patina and using some green stuff to add caked-on cloudlimpets to the bottom of the vessel as if it has been 'sailing' for a while.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Question - do GW stores still get a "store copy" of new books you can look through before you buy? Considering I'm more likely to end up using these in Dragon Rampant than AoS the rules aren't hugely valuable to me so I'd only be buying the book for the fluff, and I've been singularly unimpressed with that aspect of AoS so far, so I'm not keen to chuck down GW prices on a book that I might end up reading once then sticking on a shelf to taunt me about my poor impulse control(hallo thar, Iron Hands special edition SM codex in which GW, IMO, ruined your fluff).
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Kanluwen wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Don't know if anyone mentioned it in the old threat but Overlord and Thunderer were both names of Squat units back in the day.
Y'know, just in case there's any doubt about who these guys are supposed to be
I'm thinking counts as Tau... Skimmers, mechsuits, godly firepower.
Thunderers have also been the name of Dwarf Handgunners since forever...
So y'know, there's that.
And before that it was the name of squat heavy weapon teams. So there's that. 
I've not followed AoS in a while but I notice the rules don't have points. Do you have to buy a rulebook for that?
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Post by: Lord Kragan
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Kanluwen wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Don't know if anyone mentioned it in the old threat but Overlord and Thunderer were both names of Squat units back in the day.
Y'know, just in case there's any doubt about who these guys are supposed to be
I'm thinking counts as Tau... Skimmers, mechsuits, godly firepower.
Thunderers have also been the name of Dwarf Handgunners since forever...
So y'know, there's that.
And before that it was the name of squat heavy weapon teams. So there's that.
Actually, they appeared at the same time, both in 1987 with rogue trader and 3rd ed.
So we can leave it at GW being unimaginative instead of searching the pirates' missing bikes and leather jackets.
GHB covers you, plus giving you missions and a path to glory system. pretty nifty for 20 euros.
These, though, will need of the Kharadron book as this year's GHB didn't have as much foresight.
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Post by: Mymearan
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Kanluwen wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Don't know if anyone mentioned it in the old threat but Overlord and Thunderer were both names of Squat units back in the day. Y'know, just in case there's any doubt about who these guys are supposed to be I'm thinking counts as Tau... Skimmers, mechsuits, godly firepower.
Thunderers have also been the name of Dwarf Handgunners since forever... So y'know, there's that.
And before that it was the name of squat heavy weapon teams. So there's that. I've not followed AoS in a while but I notice the rules don't have points. Do you have to buy a rulebook for that?
No, points are free on www.scrollbuilder.com which has been aquired by GW. You can also get them in the General's Handbook which will be updated about once a year.
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Post by: usernamesareannoying
wow, that warscroll builder is pretty damn neat.
is that actually supported by GW?
i suppose it doesnt matter if it is or not but it would be nice to know if it is kept current or not.
i see that it looks like the bloodbound are updated so maybe it is kept up?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
 usernamesareannoying wrote:wow, that warscroll builder is pretty damn neat.
is that actually supported by GW?
i suppose it doesnt matter if it is or not but it would be nice to know if it is kept current or not.
i see that it looks like the bloodbound are updated so maybe it is kept up?
Yes. It's going to be integrated with the Warhammer Community page at some point, supposedly.
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Post by: usernamesareannoying
sweet. hopefully they keep it free.
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Post by: Galas
They have confirmed that it will still be free.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
While not 100% KO related I've heard on TGA.Community that on saturday at 2:00pm there will be an announcement for which apparently staff are to be briefed about ten minutes beforehand.
Seems important and relevant.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 Mymearan wrote:
No, points are free on www.scrollbuilder.com which has been aquired by GW. You can also get them in the General's Handbook which will be updated about once a year.
Thanks, that is authentically good news.
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Post by: The Grumpy Eldar
Might try and pick up on of em ships this weekend if there are any left at the GW or LGS. Not going for an army, but it looks fun to paint.
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Post by: jreilly89
I love these models. I probably won't pick them up (haven't got into AoS) but man they're refreshing. AoS just keeps looking better and better to me
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Post by: Ghaz
This week's preorders (the Grundstok Gunhauler and Grundstok Thunderers) are up on the NZ site
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Post by: Verviedi
Confirmed, only one of each special weapon in the Thunderer box. Get swapping.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
I honestly think I'm going to play the rifles with a canon, maybe a canon and decksweeper/fumigator.
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Post by: EnTyme
Verviedi wrote:...Did they take that entry, and just find/replace "Dwarf" with "duardin"? Why isn't "Duardin" capitalized?
Same reason "human" isn't normally capitalized.
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Post by: nudibranch
 Verviedi wrote:Confirmed, only one of each special weapon in the Thunderer box. Get swapping.
Set does contain 5 of the rifles though, just not the 'special weapons.'
*EDIT* Actually contains 6, as one is the double-barrelled sergeant's rifle.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
 nudibranch wrote: Verviedi wrote:Confirmed, only one of each special weapon in the Thunderer box. Get swapping.
Set does contain 5 of the rifles though, just not the 'special weapons.'
*EDIT* Actually contains 6, as one is the double-barrelled sergeant's rifle.
Seems like they originally intended special weapons being 1 or 2 per 5 rather than anybody.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Whoooboy. AUD$70 for 5. Them's a pricey Dwarfs!!!
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Post by: Verviedi
NinthMusketeer wrote: nudibranch wrote: Verviedi wrote:Confirmed, only one of each special weapon in the Thunderer box. Get swapping.
Set does contain 5 of the rifles though, just not the 'special weapons.'
*EDIT* Actually contains 6, as one is the double-barrelled sergeant's rifle.
Seems like they originally intended special weapons being 1 or 2 per 5 rather than anybody.
Doubtful, I believe it's just the standard "mixing weapons is totally a good idea, right guyz?" thing GW does.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Verviedi wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote: nudibranch wrote: Verviedi wrote:Confirmed, only one of each special weapon in the Thunderer box. Get swapping.
Set does contain 5 of the rifles though, just not the 'special weapons.'
*EDIT* Actually contains 6, as one is the double-barrelled sergeant's rifle.
Seems like they originally intended special weapons being 1 or 2 per 5 rather than anybody.
Doubtful, I believe it's just the standard "mixing weapons is totally a good idea, right guyz?" thing GW does.
I'd be inclined to agree normally, but this is in addition to the arkanaut infantry that seem to also have had warscroll changes post-sculpt.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
I'd be surprised if we weren't speaking about Australia. Anything from overseas almosts costs a newborn baby there.
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Post by: Dysartes
I know one of my LGS didn't receive their order of Overlords yesterday, and I understand that other stores have mentioned it happening as well - anyone else heard of stores GW has messed around on this release?
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Post by: Bottle
I'm very on the fence about getting some Thunderers for my Order army. All armed with mortars (which I think I could get enough of, true Kharadron players are probably going to prefer the cannons and deck-sweepers) they would be awesome, but it's a bit of an uninspiring modelling project.
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Post by: Binabik15
Seeing how the mortar is more of a rifle grenade, making more should not be that hard. In a pinch Ogryn grenades would work, or the drill bombs on the vessels. Rifles there are more than enough to choose from, but I might create a grenade crossbow, WW1-style.
The Gunhauler should be cheaper, IMO.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Lord Kragan wrote:I'd be surprised if we weren't speaking about Australia. Anything from overseas almosts costs a newborn baby there.
Nice tacit defence of GW there, making it out as if they're not unique down here, but this site already has a Kanluwen. We don't need a second. But that aside, this box is terrible value. 5 guys w/5 guns, + 5 specialist guns. Take the (also stupidly priced) Devastator Squad. It's AUD$8 more, also 5 guys, and look what you get in it: 2 Missile Launchers 2 Grav-Cannons 2 Plasma Cannons 2 Multi-Meltas 2 Heavy Bolters 2 Lascannons 1 Combi-Plasma 1 Combi-Flamer 1 Combi-Melta 1 Combi-Grav 1 Storm Bolter 1 Power Sword 1 Power Axe 1 Power Fist 1 Lightning Claw 1 Thunder Hammer 1 Chainsword 1 Plasma Pistol 1 Bolt Pistol 1 Grav Pistol 1 Partridge 1 Pear Tree There's a disconnect here. It's almost the same price for a vastly inferior kit. I mean I think they look fantastic, but the amount of options you get in the box is total gak.
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Post by: ERJAK
Try using money instead of strung together wallobees or w/e lol
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Post by: daemonish
Have we had any word on a start collecting box.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Lord Kragan wrote:I'd be surprised if we weren't speaking about Australia. Anything from overseas almosts costs a newborn baby there.
Nice tacit defence of GW there, making it out as if they're not unique down here, but this site already has a Kanluwen. We don't need a second.
But that aside, this box is terrible value.
5 guys w/5 guns, + 5 specialist guns.
I'm not defending GW. I'm just remarking the fact that you're a penal colony and thus must be bled dry in order to attone for your forefathers crimes. REPENT THY SINS!
And who the hell gives meelee weapons to devastators anyways?
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Post by: Vaktathi
While the models here look great, seeing airships and gatling guns and thunderhammers and power armor makes this stuff look way more suited to 40k.
Actually most of the stuff looks like it came out of Warmachine stylistically, at least visually.
Doesn't really seem to fit with a fantasy universe, but I guess Age of Sigmar isn't really trying to stick with that anymore either.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
 Vaktathi wrote:While the models here look great, seeing airships and gatling guns and thunderhammers and power armor makes this stuff look way more suited to 40k.
Actually most of the stuff looks like it came out of Warmachine stylistically, at least visually.
Doesn't really seem to fit with a fantasy universe, but I guess Age of Sigmar isn't really trying to stick with that anymore either.
It's more akin to divers suit given that they are basically 5+ ingame.
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Post by: Ratius
Superb release imo. Been out of touch with 40k/AoS for a bit but the feel and look of these guys is excellent.
Would be tempted to pick some up and make up some homebrew squat rules or proxy them as IG in some whacky form.
The airships and the paint jobs on them are terrific as is the level of detail.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
Vaktathi wrote:While the models here look great, seeing airships and gatling guns and thunderhammers and power armor makes this stuff look way more suited to 40k.
Actually most of the stuff looks like it came out of Warmachine stylistically, at least visually.
Doesn't really seem to fit with a fantasy universe, but I guess Age of Sigmar isn't really trying to stick with that anymore either.
This is from an even older fantasy universe:
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Post by: streetsamurai
So they actually made three different kits of ballons ???? That seems to be a bit of a waste
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Post by: Lord Kragan
 streetsamurai wrote:So they actually made three different kits of ballons ???? That seems to be a bit of a waste
Dual kits are fairly rarer nowadays, to be honest.
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Post by: ImAGeek
streetsamurai wrote:So they actually made three different kits of ballons ???? That seems to be a bit of a waste
They're all different sizes. They wouldn't work as multi-kits.
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Post by: EnTyme
Lord Kragan wrote:
I'd be surprised if we weren't speaking about Australia. Anything from overseas almosts costs a newborn baby there.
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SC boxes haven't been released alongside the armies. The closes was the DW kit 2-3 months after release, but then again, DW kits are basically marine kits with an extra sprue, so they can serve DW players and SM players. Releasing an SC box alongside its army wouldn't make much financial sense, anyway. Sales of a new range are going to be high at launch. You'd lose revenue on individual kits if there was a better bundle like an SC available at the same time. You want to save that for a few months later to boost sales after that "new army smell" wears off. GSC still haven't gotten a SC box, and they came out at pretty much the same time as DW. I would expect sometime around June or July to see GSC and DoT get SC boxes, possibly alongside KO, but I'd really expect to see a KO SC closer to Christmas.
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Post by: Thargrim
I'm glad there aren't multi kit ships this time. We would end up paying more for one ship, and end up with a bunch of worthless leftovers. The only thing missing is a couple more head options so if you field a few then the crew can get unique looks.
Not sure if I like Duncans painting guide or the WD one more. The WD one has drakenhof nightshade for the armor, a more rich purple and different golds. Duncans scheme is a bit more dull in color but also quicker to paint with a single wash over the entirety of the model. Gotta make some decisions about how i'm gonna do this...regardless I know I like the gold/purple scheme the most.
Wouldn't mind seeing a Kharadron Overlords ranking system/naming on this site either...
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
 Thargrim wrote:I'm glad there aren't multi kit ships this time. We would end up paying more for one ship, and end up with a bunch of worthless leftovers. The only thing missing is a couple more head options so if you field a few then the crew can get unique looks.
Not sure if I like Duncans painting guide or the WD one more. The WD one has drakenhof nightshade for the armor, a more rich purple and different golds. Duncans scheme is a bit more dull in color but also quicker to paint with a single wash over the entirety of the model. Gotta make some decisions about how i'm gonna do this...regardless I know I like the gold/purple scheme the most.
Wouldn't mind seeing a Kharadron Overlords ranking system/naming on this site either...
The units are the ranks. The only one not immediately apparent is Captain, which is pretty intuitive.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Just picked up the book today.
WOW! Absolutely outstanding book. Loved every page of it!
If this is how fleshed out new factions will be I cannot wait for the Cthulu Aelves.
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Post by: CMLR
An user on Lustria-Online posted this:
"Spooky scary skeletons are getting a new box, I think we will be seeing a major death release soon.
Shame on you if you didn't readed that singing.
Since they are named now "the Revenant Legions", I wonder if they are just renaming Deathrattle, or if GW will make a new expansion for them a la Sylvaneth.
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Post by: Kanluwen
We had that posted in another thread a few days ago.
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Post by: CMLR
Well, but not here yet. I'm quite sure that an actual photo from the full product can't be consider a rumour anymore.
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But... he doesn't have any lungs? 
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Post by: Kanluwen
CMLR wrote:
Well, but not here yet. I'm quite sure that an actual photo from the full product can't be consider a rumour anymore.
Correct. It wasn't posted here because this thread was created for the explicit purpose of being about the Kharadon Overlords, not a generic Age of Sigmar thread.
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Post by: CMLR
Kanluwen wrote:CMLR wrote:
Well, but not here yet. I'm quite sure that an actual photo from the full product can't be consider a rumour anymore.
Correct. It wasn't posted here because this thread was created for the explicit purpose of being about the Kharadon Overlords, not a generic Age of Sigmar thread.
No, this thread is for AoS, considering the previous one already passed over 220 pages when it was closed. This thread picks up from the latest AoS releases, Kharadron Overlords, but is not exclusive for them.
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Post by: Ghaz
 Alpharius wrote:Please remember to stay on topic here - the topic being "Age of Sigmar - Kharadon Overlords".
So not a general 'Age of Sigmar' thread.
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Post by: EnTyme
CMLR wrote: Kanluwen wrote:CMLR wrote:
Well, but not here yet. I'm quite sure that an actual photo from the full product can't be consider a rumour anymore.
Correct. It wasn't posted here because this thread was created for the explicit purpose of being about the Kharadon Overlords, not a generic Age of Sigmar thread.
No, this thread is for AoS, considering the previous one already passed over 220 pages when it was closed. This thread picks up from the latest AoS releases, Kharadron Overlords, but is not exclusive for them.
At this point AoS is popular enough to warrant separate threads for different topics.
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Post by: CMLR
 Ghaz wrote: Alpharius wrote:Please remember to stay on topic here - the topic being "Age of Sigmar - Kharadon Overlords".
So not a general 'Age of Sigmar' thread.
Then, where is AoS general thread?
 EnTyme wrote:At this point AoS is popular enough to warrant separate threads for different topics.
And separate threads have to be made on AoS forum. We still could use a general AoS news here, and I'm sure that's the intention of the OP.
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Arkanaut Ironclad confirmed at £70!
The Aetheric Navigator is also due next after the Gunhauklers/Thunderers, at £15, and the Lord Magnate at £25.
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Post by: zamerion
MongooseMatt wrote:Arkanaut Ironclad confirmed at £70!
The Aetheric Navigator is also due next after the Gunhauklers/Thunderers, at £15, and the Lord Magnate at £25.
So, this week what is in preorder?
And there is other kharadron week? (4 in total? : / )
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Post by: Chikout
MongooseMatt wrote:Arkanaut Ironclad confirmed at £70!
The Aetheric Navigator is also due next after the Gunhauklers/Thunderers, at £15, and the Lord Magnate at £25.
Well that ironclad price is at least 10 pounds cheaper than I expected. Will be getting one for sure. A 4 week window for these guys is pretty long though. Are they padding until 8th edition?
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Post by: Silentz
Chikout wrote:MongooseMatt wrote:Arkanaut Ironclad confirmed at £70!
The Aetheric Navigator is also due next after the Gunhauklers/Thunderers, at £15, and the Lord Magnate at £25.
Well that ironclad price is at least 10 pounds cheaper than I expected. Will be getting one for sure. A 4 week window for these guys is pretty long though. Are they padding until 8th edition?
Would make a lot of sense to do so - by smooshing out this release, they might get slightly less of a noticeable revenue "hole" between the announcement of 8th and the ability for us to throw our money at them.
No matter how well a company is doing, nobody likes months that look like the world stopped buying you products entirely.
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Post by: Binabik15
So an Ironclad is way cheaper and Gunhaulers more expensive than I hoped for. Do I regret getting a frigate now? Somewhat. Will I buy a zogging huge ship over two smaller ones at first? Totally!
How.much for the three man boxes? Or are they actually on a seperate weekend?! The Death Guard dream is dead and buried. A M2O releade of Necromunde gangs for Shadow Wars or something like this would be needed to pad out a weekend with just one AoS kit.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
The Thunderer with a cyberparrot and mechanical leg may just break my will.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
Chikout wrote:MongooseMatt wrote:Arkanaut Ironclad confirmed at £70!
The Aetheric Navigator is also due next after the Gunhauklers/Thunderers, at £15, and the Lord Magnate at £25.
Well that ironclad price is at least 10 pounds cheaper than I expected. Will be getting one for sure. A 4 week window for these guys is pretty long though. Are they padding until 8th edition?
I'd say they had a bit of a mess in their schedule. Just remember that adeptus titanicus was "supposed" to come out on april.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Expected that price. Birthday present me thinks!
Just ordered a  load to finally start my Aqshy and Ghyran warriors. That Ironclad will provide a fine service from Chamon.
Since it seems the KO will be the week after aswell, at least this means the next WD will be chock full of brand new stuff.
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Post by: alphaecho
My Arkanaut torsos fell into my bits box.
Whoops!
Now, all of the Kharadron airvessels. Land Train conversion or floating Leman Russ counts as?
GW cares not why the sales happen!
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Hahaha I have always thought Squats were stupid but they look sweet af! 
They actually pass as 40k Dwarves. Awesome.
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Post by: alphaecho
 unmercifulconker wrote:Hahaha I have always thought Squats were stupid but they look sweet af!
They actually pass as 40k Dwarves. Awesome.
There is some trimming required to torso fronts and inside the old Squat arms but I am tempted to get some more to add to my Imperial Guard. I have a hefty amount of old Squat arms and the original lasguns.
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Post by: zamerion
From Bols
White Dwarf May 2017 $9
Grombindal: 40Years of White Dwarf $30
Kharadron Overlords: Aetheric Navigator $25
Kharadron Overlords: Brokk Grungsson Lord-Magnate of Barak Nar $40
Kharadron Overlords: Arkanaut Ironclad $115
So 4 weeks of kharadrons.
New grombindal?
And.. not wd pictures yet? :(
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
alphaecho wrote:
My Arkanaut torsos fell into my bits box.
Whoops!
Now, all of the Kharadron airvessels. Land Train conversion or floating Leman Russ counts as?
GW cares not why the sales happen!
Epic squats had the Overlord Airship as one of their units. Personally I would go with counts as Tau, with Pirates as Firewarriors, the small ships as Piranas, the medium as Devilfish/Hammerheads and the big one as some superheavy. The guys with the balloons on their backs as Crisis Suits.
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Post by: alphaecho
You're not helping my bank balance and painting deficit.
Great ideas though.
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Post by: Ghaz
White Dwarf supposedly goes on preorder this weekend and drops May 5th.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Ghaz wrote:
White Dwarf supposedly goes on preorder this weekend and drops May 5th.
Yep so hopefully some leaks before the week is out, exciting stuff. Everything in there will be new. so don't mind KO having another week.
Get the hype.
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Post by: RiTides
Those conversions are just fantastic, alphaecho!
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Post by: Thargrim
pre orders are now up on the NZ site, along with the WD.
The arkanaut hanging off the side of the ironclad has a paintbrush in hand! I love cool little characterful details like that. And the aetheric navigator is a great model as well. It does suck the release is going to be dragged on until the skywardens are on the shelves in about two weeks....
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Post by: Warhams-77
First sightings of a new AoS skirmisher
The new WD is in circulation
Pic asap
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Post by: Warhams-77
There is a two pager teaser in May White Dwarf. Similiar to Blood Bowl last fall.
Text says
"Age of Sigmar- Skirmish" "Warbands clash for treasure and glory in the mortal realms" "Coming soon"
Photo shows a battle scene of Orruks fighting Flesheaters, Gorechosen and Stormcast Eternals. No more info
Automatically Appended Next Post: Photo by Ragnar Schwarzmaehne - via TGA forum
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Post by: zamerion
Good news!
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Post by: Ghaz
I wonder if it's based on the Warhammer World Regiment of Renown rules pack and is eing released with the previously mentioned new Age of Sigmar scenery.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Cheers for this Warhams!
Sounds great!
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
From the makers of Not-Necromunda, comes Not-Mordheim? I'm wondering if they're trying a splash release?
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Post by: Not-not-kenny
Did they finally get in touch with Bottle?
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Post by: RazorEdge
I guess we can hope for the 100th Starter Set with Stormcast content.
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Post by: Galas
Well have to see if is superior to Hinterlands (I doubt it )
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Post by: Valander
I definitely am interested in AoS: Skirmish. Be a good way to get other folks into the game if it's smaller bands, and might be a better campaign system than Path to Glory (which is ok, but has lots of issues and missing pieces for many armies).
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Post by: ncshooter426
So, An AoS style small scale fight?
Man... I do have to give respect to whomever actually got the GW culture shift going. What a difference a few years made!
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Post by: Chikout
Here's hoping for some new scenery shadow war style. I wonder if this is the new 'not Mordheim ' Hastings predicted. It is coming a year early if so. Assuming 8th edition is the first week of June, there are 3 preorder weeks unaccounted for after the last of the overlords next week.Could we see it next month? Are there no more tidbits in the new white dwarf?
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Post by: Neronoxx
Chikout wrote:Here's hoping for some new scenery shadow war style. I wonder if this is the new 'not Mordheim ' Hastings predicted. It is coming a year early if so. Assuming 8th edition is the first week of June, there are 3 preorder weeks unaccounted for after the last of the overlords next week.Could we see it next month? Are there no more tidbits in the new white dwarf?
GW confirmed they would be doing some modular AoS scenery to match shadow wars. Really excited for it.
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Post by: Galas
I don't think is gonna be a "Not-Mordheim" from AoS.
I think that is more like the "Warbands " of old WHFB. So... a battle plan of two Freeguild knights and a Troggoth under a bridge? That was a classic
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Post by: Warhams-77
Chikout wrote:Could we see it next month? Are there no more tidbits in the new white dwarf?
Looks like the release of the skirmisher is quite close (May or June). This issue is focusing on the anniversary. We have already seen all products showcased. There may be hidden hints but I havent read the entire issue yet.
Have you seen my post in the 8th Ed thread? Next month teaser is definitely for 40k but the June issue will be released mid month, on the 16th!
This is just my guess but I could see the new starter set being released on the 17th and a snapfit MkX NuMarine miniature will be sold with each magazine (cover extra). The AoS skirmisher either before or afterwards. As it is the only product teased in May issue it looks more like before 8th imo. What could GW release otherwise, Death Guard?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Neronoxx wrote:Chikout wrote:Here's hoping for some new scenery shadow war style. I wonder if this is the new 'not Mordheim ' Hastings predicted. It is coming a year early if so. Assuming 8th edition is the first week of June, there are 3 preorder weeks unaccounted for after the last of the overlords next week.Could we see it next month? Are there no more tidbits in the new white dwarf?
GW confirmed they would be doing some modular AoS scenery to match shadow wars. Really excited for it.
Oh, then this could actually be it
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Post by: Ghaz
I'm wondering if these skirmish rules might be presented in the updated General's Handbook 
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Post by: RazorEdge
Ghaz wrote:I'm wondering if these skirmish rules might be presented in the updated General's Handbook
This could be happen. They could combine it with a revised Mini Starter Set.
I guess the releases for Shadespire would fit for this.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'll DEFINITELY start AoS when SKIRMISH coomes out!
YES!
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Post by: Lord Kragan
JOIN US! JOIN US! JOIN US!
Also, me thinks this is what they'll use to fill off the 3-weeks gap that remains prior to 8th edition's coming.
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
 ncshooter426 wrote:So, An AoS style small scale fight?
Man... I do have to give respect to whomever actually got the GW culture shift going. What a difference a few years made!
In a way it was the customers. They had been expecting AoS to do great at launch, and instead got what was possibly their most abysmal launch ever. I doubt the shift would have been so rapid if AoS did decently from the onset.
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Post by: Altruizine
NinthMusketeer wrote: ncshooter426 wrote:So, An AoS style small scale fight?
Man... I do have to give respect to whomever actually got the GW culture shift going. What a difference a few years made!
In a way it was the customers. They had been expecting AoS to do great at launch, and instead got what was possibly their most abysmal launch ever. I doubt the shift would have been so rapid if AoS did decently from the onset.
It would be both funny and poignant if the "death" of WHFB is what ends up having saved GW.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
 Altruizine wrote: NinthMusketeer wrote: ncshooter426 wrote:So, An AoS style small scale fight?
Man... I do have to give respect to whomever actually got the GW culture shift going. What a difference a few years made!
In a way it was the customers. They had been expecting AoS to do great at launch, and instead got what was possibly their most abysmal launch ever. I doubt the shift would have been so rapid if AoS did decently from the onset.
It would be both funny and poignant if the "death" of WHFB is what ends up having saved GW.
I think it was. Forget about not making money, the fault laid primarily on the management of the system. With the death of fantasy, big enough of an uproar was made that shaked down the rotten fundations and this allowed for the change and improvement. I honestly think this couldn't have happened to fantasy because it would have implied it came from the original administration that was the source of the problem. Now we've got a chance.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
I just hope that if this is "Not Mordheim" that they treat the fans with a little more respect, acknowledging that book-keeping isn't anathema to game design automatically.
The areas where Shadow-War is losing interest in our group is, almost across the board, the places where they dumbed it down from Necromunda. The core is obviously terrific, but boy does it feel like they thought basic math, and record keeping would terrify modern gamers.
If Not-Mordheim does any of the same i'll have to Frankenstein the old and new rules together... again. :-p
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Post by: Galas
WHFB died for our sins... he has give us a second chance.
Oh our lord and savior WHFB, from your blood and flesh we have been remade. Forgive us, my lord.
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Post by: Lockark
Been told their is a 5 man kharadron kit coming out with options for AoS and 40k. I don't know if this was a misunderstanding/mistake. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
I've gotten good info from them before.
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Post by: Ghaz
 Lockark wrote:Been told their is a 5 man kharadron kit coming out with options for AoS and 40k. I don't know if this was a misunderstanding/mistake. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
I've gotten good info from them before.
The only five duradin kit for the Kharadron is the already released Grundstok Thunderers. All that's left are the Skyriggers and a couple of characters.
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Post by: Lockark
Ghaz wrote: Lockark wrote:Been told their is a 5 man kharadron kit coming out with options for AoS and 40k. I don't know if this was a misunderstanding/mistake. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
I've gotten good info from them before.
The only five duradin kit for the Kharadron is the already released Grundstok Thunderers. All that's left are the Skyriggers and a couple of characters.
Told this product was not announced by GW yet, and it's description says for AoS and 40k. It was all I was given besides that it's used for the kharadron in AoS.
That was the only description I was given so, it might be a typo from their source. No other discription of what the minis looks like or names were given.
Edit: he's given me good info before but I really think their is a typo or something involved in this. Figured I would just ask lol
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Post by: ik0ner
In the skirmish version, I sincerely hope they reintroduce psychology and more nuanced morale rules.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Lockark wrote:Told this product was not announced by GW yet, and it's description says for AoS and 40k. It was all I was given besides that it's used for the kharadron in AoS.
That was the only description I was given so, it might be a typo from their source. No other discription of what the minis looks like or names were given.
Edit: he's given me good info before but I really think their is a typo or something involved in this. Figured I would just ask lol
Some kind of terrain or basing kit perhaps? A skies of battle gaming mat with skull shaped clouds? 
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Post by: Lockark
GoatboyBeta wrote: Lockark wrote:Told this product was not announced by GW yet, and it's description says for AoS and 40k. It was all I was given besides that it's used for the kharadron in AoS.
That was the only description I was given so, it might be a typo from their source. No other discription of what the minis looks like or names were given.
Edit: he's given me good info before but I really think their is a typo or something involved in this. Figured I would just ask lol
Some kind of terrain or basing kit perhaps? A skies of battle gaming mat with skull shaped clouds?
It's a 5 model kit for use in 40k and AOS, and it's a dwarf unit in AoS.
With out saying to much of who he is so no one gets in trouble. I'm tempted to believe it might of just just a typo or mistake in the description he was given.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
Lockark wrote:
It's a 5 model kit for use in 40k and AOS, and it's a dwarf unit in AoS.
With out saying to much of who he is so no one gets in trouble. I'm tempted to believe it might of just just a typo or mistake in the description he was given.
Yeah unless its Demons or something just for fun like the new Grombrindal model, making a unit that's for use in both fantasy and 40K would be a unusual move by GW.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Skirmish, oh man, that's a must buy.. thanks to Warhammer Quest I already have a small group of Skaven Models, Chaos, Orruks and a mixture of heroes from races I could add troops to.
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Post by: shinros
Perhaps, I mean bottle has not posted in the thread about this update yet and I am sure GW must be aware of hinterlands.
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Post by: aquietfrog
If AoS Skirmish isn't based on bottle's hinterlands ruleset, I hope support for it continues anyway. Most people tend to prefer official rules even if a better fanmade ruleset is made
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Post by: Bottle
Thanks to everyone who has mentioned Hinterlands with this recent announcement. In short the answer is no, this isn't Hinterlands being made official. I am super excited by this and can't wait to learn more info about it!
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Post by: Not-not-kenny
Sad to hear that, just started playing Hinterlands and I really like it. However I am also excited, more options to compare and pick&choose/combine from is always welcome!
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Post by: CragHack
I'm so in, if they allow Fimirs. Whole army of them seems a bit too expensive...
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Post by: SeanDrake
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:I just hope that if this is "Not Mordheim" that they treat the fans with a little more respect, acknowledging that book-keeping isn't anathema to game design automatically.
The areas where Shadow-War is losing interest in our group is, almost across the board, the places where they dumbed it down from Necromunda. The core is obviously terrific, but boy does it feel like they thought basic math, and record keeping would terrify modern gamers.
If Not-Mordheim does any of the same i'll have to Frankenstein the old and new rules together... again. :-p
I would not hold your breath it's looking like there doing the same to 40k an like AoS, they think subtracting 3 is the most difficult the players can manage.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
 CragHack wrote:I'm so in, if they allow Fimirs. Whole army of them seems a bit too expensive...
I agree! I love the unique look of the Fimir, and AoS is a great chance to reboot them...
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
SeanDrake wrote:NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:I just hope that if this is "Not Mordheim" that they treat the fans with a little more respect, acknowledging that book-keeping isn't anathema to game design automatically.
The areas where Shadow-War is losing interest in our group is, almost across the board, the places where they dumbed it down from Necromunda. The core is obviously terrific, but boy does it feel like they thought basic math, and record keeping would terrify modern gamers.
If Not-Mordheim does any of the same i'll have to Frankenstein the old and new rules together... again. :-p
I would not hold your breath it's looking like there doing the same to 40k an like AoS, they think subtracting 3 is the most difficult the players can manage.
Given the intelligence of the average internet messages these days can you really blame them? Dakka is hardly intellectual yet stands among those few bastions of reason amidst a maelstrom of idiocy.
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Post by: RazorEdge
I hope AoS Skimisher is the Fantasy Version of SWA.
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Post by: str00dles1
I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible
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Post by: Valander
str00dles1 wrote:
I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible
Yeah, I hope it isn't "shoehorn older WHFB rules into a skirmish thing." I'd much prefer something newish that still felt AoS. I guess we'll have to wait and see, though, since not much other than this announcement is available about it yet.
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Post by: MLaw
I'm blessed to be sitting on complete Mordheim.. so if this is a reboot it's going to have to come with a non-limited box with some terrain that isn't crazy priced like the Shadow stuff.. Otherwise, Frostgrave and Mordheim will continue scratching that itch.. That and I still have my Skirmish book from WHFB (6th or 7th?)
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Post by: bbb
Very interesting.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
I thought AoS was a skirmish game?
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Post by: Mymearan
I don't think GW ever used that word in their marketing. As for players, everyone has their own definition of the word.
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Post by: Not-not-kenny
Yeah, a game where most basic units have a lowest model count of ten is hardly what I'd call a skirmish game, but to each their own.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
It depends really on the definition. As Mymearan said they've never marketed AoS as a skirmish game. Furthermore it's really "rigid" to actually be skirmish when it comes to the distance models can keep between each other. 1'' between model is loose formation for ranked battles tbh.
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Post by: EnTyme
Some people consider anything that isn't Rank and File to be a skirmish game.
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Post by: Spiky Norman
EnTyme wrote:Some people consider anything that isn't Rank and File to be a skirmish game.
In AoS, you can, if you really want, put the models in your units in lines to form a square. You can move them as a square block. Some AoS players even use movement trays, and square bases.
I always took comments that ' AoS is a skirmish game', as bitter WHFB/T9A players attempt at an insult, though I never really understood why a skirmish game should somehow be inferior in the first place. :-)
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Post by: judgedoug
str00dles1 wrote:
I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible
Must be talking about Star Wars Armada, cuz Shadow War Armageddon is A+ idea and A+ game.
I'd like a streamlined, updated Mordheim, with AoS mechanics. There's a lot of rose-tinted glasses with Mordheim - lots of warbands were just uncompetetive and unfun to play, many upgrades totally useless, and the experience system was broken.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 judgedoug wrote:str00dles1 wrote:
I hope they don't. A+ idea for SWA, but the game itself it horrible
Must be talking about Star Wars Armada, cuz Shadow War Armageddon is A+ idea and A+ game.
I'd like a streamlined, updated Mordheim, with AoS mechanics. There's a lot of rose-tinted glasses with Mordheim - lots of warbands were just uncompetetive and unfun to play, many upgrades totally useless, and the experience system was broken.
Yeah, not letting you off with that without a proper justification, because plenty of us still play Mordheim right now and the idea that any of those things are true(or at least, any more true than they are for any GW game, AoS included) sounds like hot, stinking, out-in-the-sun-uncollected-for-a-month rubbish to me chief. Which warbands? Which upgrades? How were they useless? How was the XP system broken?
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Frankly AoS skirmish sounds great, but I think games like the One Page stuff can scratch the same itch. One-Page even has a skirmish game with forces that coincide not only with Oldhammer models, but now AoS-setting forces, too.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
can you link this one page stuff?
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Sure.
https://onepagerules.com
The early versions were a direct translation of model and weapon names in many places, but in the new versions of the rules (available on the site) are generic to avoid copyright infringements- for example the Eternal Wardens of fantasy are Stormcast Eternals, and their weapons are not AoS names.
The games are meant to be very simple and fast, so don't be surprised at their leanness.
Still look forward to what GW will put out, and how it measures up to Hinterlands, which already gets tons of points for existing out of sheer love of the game.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Eldarain wrote:
That's what I'm hoping.
Saw a Bottle post on the grand alliance site:
Bottle wrote:Hey everyone, thanks for the comments about Hinterlands and the new Skirmish game. I'm currently on the down low at the moment because I have a hectic job application IRL - otherwise I would be jumping around the internet shouting how excited I am for this new game.
No one needs to worry about C&D's or anything like that. I have made GW aware of Hinterlands at multiple instances and they have always chosen to let us just have some fun with it (despite the fact that I borrow lots of official art to use in the book).
I imagine this game is going to be very similar to Hinterlands, mainly because I tried to keep Hinterlands as true to the core AoS rules as possible, and I am totally fine if this outright replaces Hinterlands with an official version (which I imagine it will).
The reason being there will always be space for fan-made content in a skirmish campaign setting. For version 3 of Hinterlands I didn't want to focus on the core-rules anymore but instead bring together a wealth of new battleplans, Times of War, unique command traits for sub-factions, and anything else etc etc
I will still be able to do exactly that, but as an add-on for the official version instead of my own core rules.
So, I hope this puts any worries to rest. I didn't work on this new game in any capacity, Hinterlands won't be going anywhere for people who still want to use those rules, but I myself will be fully embracing this new game and seeing what cool things we can make for it!
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Spiky Norman wrote: EnTyme wrote:Some people consider anything that isn't Rank and File to be a skirmish game.
In AoS, you can, if you really want, put the models in your units in lines to form a square. You can move them as a square block. Some AoS players even use movement trays, and square bases.
I always took comments that ' AoS is a skirmish game', as bitter WHFB/T9A players attempt at an insult, though I never really understood why a skirmish game should somehow be inferior in the first place. :-)
Well, I never said it was inferior, just that I thought I was a skirmish game. No set formations, models moving individually, that sort of thing. Same way 40k is a skirmish game, in its way. Or warmachine.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nu Skydorfs are here!
Dopey:
Super Dopey:
Meh:
Coolest mini in the whole range:
I seriously love that last one. Such a cool model.
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Post by: MLaw
This is awesome..
It reminded me too that I have Forgefathers for Warpath... LOL.. never thought a GW release would get me excited about another company's game.. but these would look fantastic and provide loads of bits for a FF army.
I hope the skirmish thing has a good use for these guys as well because man.. I am loving these dorfs.
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Hammer and Anvil guy is pretty awesome, but doesn't hold a candle to Tophat McBalloon Cannons.
Didn't realize those balloons are actually little mini dirigible jetpacks they ride around on. Kind of cool.
Sadly these dwarfs have completely halted progress on my Forge Fathers as I debate about completely repainting them to match.
Just need to figure out a good ship color to match my Kharadrons with my Khador.
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Post by: tyrannosaurus
Please don't mention Mordheim in the same breath as this. Mordheim is an incredible game with some of the best models ever produced, with a wealth of wonderful background based upon the Old World. Anything that comes from AoS isn't any of the above. Like comparing a diamond with a turd.
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Post by: Galas
 tyrannosaurus wrote:Please don't mention Mordheim in the same breath as this. Mordheim is an incredible game with some of the best models ever produced, with a wealth of wonderful background based upon the Old World. Anything that comes from AoS isn't any of the above. Like comparing a diamond with a turd.
I totally agree with the first half of your sentence.
But, can I ask you something... exactly, why you spend so much energy hating something as irrelevant as a game system?
I'm not asking this in a sarcastic way. Just that when I hate something, normally I need to spend mental energy doing so, and generally only makes me more angry and prejudices me. I don't find the reason why someone could spend that mental energy about something as this.
EDIT: Unless you have lose your job for the cancellation of WHFB? Or something like that. I don't count having spent thousands of dollar/Euros/pounds in it, because you have still your rules, your miniatures, and have used them for years, so you have received the service you payed for.
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Post by: Bottle
I'm getting really excited about AoS Skirmish. How far off do we all think it is?
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Post by: Chikout
 Bottle wrote:I'm getting really excited about AoS Skirmish. How far off do we all think it is?
Assuming the June 17th release date for 40k is true, we have four weeks to fill before then. Aos skirmish will surely be one of those releases.
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Are there any rumours for when the new dark elves are supposed to be released?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I wish the skyriggers had been in a 5 box even if it was more expensive,
I can't quite justify getting them and I really want them and tophat floaty-boss
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I was surprised those skyriggers actually have personal jetpack aether vessel thingees , complete with rudders and controls rather than big balloons as we had all thought.
5 to a box would have been a lot more palatable. Hopefully I can sneak away from whatever household duties I've got to get Mr. Tophat today. Just finished his admiral buddy as it is!
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Wow, do those flight stands on the ships look super-weak, though.........
Eagerly seeing as how they approach things with skirmish, though. Would be the only way I get into AoS, due to kids sucking painting time away.
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Post by: Alpharius
Chikout wrote: Bottle wrote:I'm getting really excited about AoS Skirmish. How far off do we all think it is?
Assuming the June 17th release date for 40k is true, we have four weeks to fill before then. Aos skirmish will surely be one of those releases.
I really hope so!
I don't have a lot of interest in AoS.
Well, I didn't until those Kharadron Overlords were released...
So now I'd like to get some - for AoS Skirmish - at least to start!
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Post by: UltraPrime
Do you think Skirmish will be that 'new' cut-down Starter Set that was rumoured recently?
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Post by: frozenwastes
UltraPrime wrote:Do you think Skirmish will be that 'new' cut-down Starter Set that was rumoured recently?
That would be amazing. I would love for a skirmish approach to become more normal in people's experience of both AoS and 40k.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic
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Post by: Ben2
UltraPrime wrote:Do you think Skirmish will be that 'new' cut-down Starter Set that was rumoured recently?
I don't think so, because they haven't changed the number of units. It would still be 4 units of sigmarines and a character, and 4 units of blood blooders and a couple of characters. That is the current starter without a couple of the characters for £50.
That's still a lot. They might do that, but I'd hope they'd either do something like Storm of Sigmar with 13 minis or something new, hopefully with different factions to the other three starters, though I'd anticipate them pushing Sigmarines as the new space marines.
Basically I want a low model count game and with improved rules. A skirmish game might be a good place for them to test out some improvements to the rules.
We still don't know for certain that it won't just be a section in the Generals Handbook.
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Post by: RazorEdge
They could rework that mini starter Set.
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Post by: streetsamurai
This might be interesting. Really loving a few of the newest AOS minis, and the fluff seems to be more interesting now that they stopped focussing on the SCE so much, but really can't get into it since the rules are so shallow.
If the skirmish rules turns out to be interesting, i'll probably start a few warbands
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Post by: Galas
streetsamurai wrote:This might be interesting. Really loving a few of the newest AOS minis, and the fluff seems to be more interesting now that they stopped focussing on the SCE so much, but really can't get into it since the rules are so shallow.
If the skirmish rules turns out to be interesting, i'll probably start a few warbands
If you are after skirmish experience, I recomend you the Hinterlands Proyect by Bottle! Seriously, I doubt GW will do a better job at making a Skirmish system for AoS than him.
EDIT: Obviously, if you are after warhammer/ AoS Skirmish experience. You can find other skirmish experiences out there!
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Post by: streetsamurai
I'm sure Bottle rules are great, but in my area, it is nearly impossible to find people willing to play fan made rules unfortunately
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Post by: Davor
tyrannosaurus wrote:Please don't mention Mordheim in the same breath as this. Mordheim is an incredible game with some of the best models ever produced, with a wealth of wonderful background based upon the Old World. Anything that comes from AoS isn't any of the above. Like comparing a diamond with a turd.
And yet you are still here. If you dislike Age of Sigmar so much how come you are in an Age of Sigmar forum? Please don't tell people what they should and shouldn't say? If they like the product they are perfectly in their right to do so. Also you have the perfectly right to dislike/hate something. So the question is, if you dislike/hate Age of Sigmar so much how come you are here? Why not go to a Fantasy forums with what you love?
Having this much hate inside is not healthy. I should know, been there myself and realized the problem is with me not Games Workshop or who/what ever. So if you dislike so much then don't go into an Age of Sigmar forum and be at peace.
Davor
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Post by: streetsamurai
SInce when is Dakka and or news and rumours an AOS forum?
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Post by: Galas
streetsamurai wrote:I'm sure Bottle rules are great, but in my area, it is nearly impossible to find people willing to play fan made rules unfortunately
I'm sady to hear that, but for my months on this kind of forums I have found that many communities in the states/canada are of that kind. A really sad thing, at least to me. My group is pure narrative driven, so to us, playing with fan-made rules is quasi mandatory to many of our campaings.
If thats the case, I wish for a good ruleset for AoS Skirmish so you can have a good time with your group. Those Kharadron Overlords deserve to be used for everyone! Maybe that way GW will be more "animated" to push really original factions like that and not more Stormcast!
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Post by: streetsamurai
 Galas wrote: streetsamurai wrote:I'm sure Bottle rules are great, but in my area, it is nearly impossible to find people willing to play fan made rules unfortunately
I'm sady to hear that, but for my months on this kind of forums I have found that many communities in the states/canada are of that kind. A really sad thing, at least to me. My group is pure narrative driven, so to us, playing with fan-made rules is quasi mandatory to many of our campaings.
If thats the case, I wish for a good ruleset for AoS Skirmish so you can have a good time with your group. Those Kharadron Overlords deserve to be used for everyone! Maybe that way GW will be more "animated" to push really original factions like that and not more Stormcast!
Hopefully this will be the case, I'm just a chtulu elves release removed from falling and starting a small AOS warband. This in itself is incredible considering my opinion on this game not even a year ago.
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Post by: Bottle
Thanks for the plug on my Hinterlands rules, Galas. The plan is for the next version of Hinterlands to sit on top of AoS Skirmish rather than offer an alternative, the rules will be fully compatible and then players can choose to add on as many of the rules as they like. All of them or just a few depending how open they are to house rules.
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Post by: Galas
Bottle wrote:Thanks for the plug on my Hinterlands rules, Galas. The plan is for the next version of Hinterlands to sit on top of AoS Skirmish rather than offer an alternative, the rules will be fully compatible and then players can choose to add on as many of the rules as they like. All of them or just a few depending how open they are to house rules.
For now I'm convinced that I'll still use the complete Bottle's aproved Hinterland ruleset package, but glad to hear that you have more plans to add content to it! It totally suck when a company put a official thing over a fan-proyect (Even if the fan proyect is leagues superior) because like 95% of people will just jump in the official one!
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Post by: Bottle
Thanks for the vote of confidence! I honestly don't mind if everyone goes to the official Skirmish game over mine, as I will be strongly looking into doing that myself. If the rules are tight and offer a good amount of playability I will work only on fun new Battleplans/campaign systems and things like that. If I think there is room to build on the rules themselves I will probably take the popular parts of the Hinterlands rules and present them as a series of house rules to go with AoS Skirmish.
All in all, really exciting times! I'll be helping run a Skirmish Friday night at a tournament in September so I will plan to get something out for that in the Summer :-)
Just need to see what this AoS Skirmish is like! (I am sure it'll be awesome).
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Post by: Lord Kragan
streetsamurai wrote: Galas wrote: streetsamurai wrote:I'm sure Bottle rules are great, but in my area, it is nearly impossible to find people willing to play fan made rules unfortunately
I'm sady to hear that, but for my months on this kind of forums I have found that many communities in the states/canada are of that kind. A really sad thing, at least to me. My group is pure narrative driven, so to us, playing with fan-made rules is quasi mandatory to many of our campaings.
If thats the case, I wish for a good ruleset for AoS Skirmish so you can have a good time with your group. Those Kharadron Overlords deserve to be used for everyone! Maybe that way GW will be more "animated" to push really original factions like that and not more Stormcast!
Hopefully this will be the case, I'm just a chtulu elves release removed from falling and starting a small AOS warband. This in itself is incredible considering my opinion on this game not even a year ago.
To be honest it was hard for it go down. Little could be done to make it sink any further. Now. I highly doubt we see more stormies for this year (for sure) and the following.
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Post by: Manfred von Drakken
Replace 'forum' with 'thread'.
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Post by: Binabik15
Lord Kragan wrote: streetsamurai wrote: Galas wrote: streetsamurai wrote:I'm sure Bottle rules are great, but in my area, it is nearly impossible to find people willing to play fan made rules unfortunately
I'm sady to hear that, but for my months on this kind of forums I have found that many communities in the states/canada are of that kind. A really sad thing, at least to me. My group is pure narrative driven, so to us, playing with fan-made rules is quasi mandatory to many of our campaings.
If thats the case, I wish for a good ruleset for AoS Skirmish so you can have a good time with your group. Those Kharadron Overlords deserve to be used for everyone! Maybe that way GW will be more "animated" to push really original factions like that and not more Stormcast!
Hopefully this will be the case, I'm just a chtulu elves release removed from falling and starting a small AOS warband. This in itself is incredible considering my opinion on this game not even a year ago.
To be honest it was hard for it go down. Little could be done to make it sink any further. Now. I highly doubt we see more stormies for this year (for sure) and the following.
Besides the ones for Skirmish and Shadowspire - and everything else new in the AoS universe
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Post by: Bottle
Hey everyone, some cool news:
On Wednesday the 17th of May, Warhammer Live will be showcasing the new AoS Skirmish game and yours truly will be appearing on the show to play the first games of it!
I hope you are all excited. I know I am! Let's hope I don't lose spectacularly on live internet TV!
Remember to tune it at: twitch.tv/warhammer
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Post by: nels1031
That's awesome new bottle!
Have fun.
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Post by: EnTyme
Congrats, Bottle!
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Post by: Bottle
Thanks guys, make sure you tune in if you are free. It's gonna be my Freeguild fighting off Ben Johnson's Flesh Eater Courts, so it should be loads of fun!
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Post by: Galas
At what hour it will be the Stream? I think Spanish is UK hour-1.... or not. I think is the same.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Can you spoil any details? Like how many models in your Freeguild?
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Post by: ImAGeek
That's awesome Bottle, looking forward to it!
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Post by: zamerion
Im curious to know if profiles will be AoS style or Fantasy style?
In shadow war they change the profiles..
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Post by: Ben2
I'm curious about the number of models required or points, but I imagine it'll all be answered on the 17th.
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Post by: Chopxsticks
IT FEELS SO FAR AWAY....
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Is this skirmish thing a new game, new supplement, or is this that Shadowthingy with the hex grid?
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Post by: Neronoxx
H.B.M.C. wrote:Is this skirmish thing a new game, new supplement, or is this that Shadowthingy with the hex grid?
Brand new, was only announced like a week ago or so in the white dwarf.
Bottle paved the way with the Hinterlands Skirmish rules, and GW took note - now we know to a serious extent. Ultimately we're still lacking details - I'd assume at this point Bottle must know, but has probably signed an NDA (ALL COOL, WE' LL WAIT.)
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Post by: Bottle
Galas wrote:At what hour it will be the Stream? I think Spanish is UK hour-1.... or not. I think is the same.
It'll be the second game slot of the Wednesday, so I think it starts 6PM. We're in British Summer Time right now too, so we might be 2 hours in front of Spain.
As for giving any hints, Nercronoxx is right that I am not allowed to reveal anything, so you'll have to tune in and find out
If any of you Dakkanaughts subscribe to Warhammer TV make sure to shout out in the chat the box
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Good job Bottle! It's good to see your community work pay off
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Post by: winterdyne
Wait, what? GW have not only paid attention to a fan ruleset, but it seems they're effectively working with the creator of said rules?
This. Is. Brilliant!
Don't get me wrong, Hinterlands is ten kinds of awesome, but I'm equally impressed with GW's attitude to this. They really, really seem to be turning a corner with the new CEO. Maybe Kirby was the problem all along?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Next they'll be hiring all the old FFG freelancers to work on a new 40K RPG.
Please...?
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Post by: Lord Kragan
H.B.M.C. wrote:Next they'll be hiring all the old FFG freelancers to work on a new 40K RPG.
Please...?
As long as they don't copy paste the injury charts like they did in the previous RPGs (which doesn't work well for Space Marines), then yes.
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Post by: Chikout
I don't want to put words in Bottle's mouth, but I think he is just being invited along to play the game. The rules were written by James Gallagher ( the same guy who did the gangs of commoragh game). Given the lead times on GW development, it would be interesting to know how much of an influence Hinterlands had over the final product.
Still cool to get Bottle on to showcase the new rules. Looking forward to watching it.
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Post by: Lord Kragan
Chikout wrote:I don't want to put words in Bottle's mouth, but I think he is just being invited along to play the game. The rules were written by James Gallagher ( the same guy who did the gangs of commoragh game). Given the lead times on GW development, it would be interesting to know how much of an influence Hinterlands had over the final product.
Still cool to get Bottle on to showcase the new rules. Looking forward to watching it.
I'd say this had a far shorter lead time, since there was no mini designing hampering it. Look at SoH, it took less than a year so I "can" see them having managed to do so in time.
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Post by: usernamesareannoying
Hopefully you can share details here after the game bottle.
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Post by: Hanskrampf
Chikout wrote:I don't want to put words in Bottle's mouth, but I think he is just being invited along to play the game. The rules were written by James Gallagher ( the same guy who did the gangs of commoragh game). Given the lead times on GW development, it would be interesting to know how much of an influence Hinterlands had over the final product.
Still cool to get Bottle on to showcase the new rules. Looking forward to watching it.
It really depends on the amount of new content in the book.
Is there new artwork, new photos which needed to be taken (almost certainly), etc.
I doubt this has had more than 6-7 months lead time, which would fall in the timeframe when the print files for Gangs of Commoragh would be finalised.
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Post by: Bottle
It's right that I didn't have any involvement in the rules of this new supplement. GW have just invited me up to play the new game
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Post by: eflix29
Really hyped for this !
I hope we'll get to see nice miniatures with some original conversion
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Post by: AegisGrimm
Hey at least they are going back to the days where they recognized they weren't the end all, be all of gaming, back when there were things like the Specialist games publications.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
winterdyne wrote:Wait, what? GW have not only paid attention to a fan ruleset, but it seems they're effectively working with the creator of said rules?
This. Is. Brilliant!
Don't get me wrong, Hinterlands is ten kinds of awesome, but I'm equally impressed with GW's attitude to this. They really, really seem to be turning a corner with the new CEO. Maybe Kirby was the problem all along?
Hey, never forget that the AoS General's Handbook, which largely "saved" AoS, and now shapes 40k, was essentially HeelenHammer/SCGT. New GW is definitely not afraid to recognize an outsider's excellent work!
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Post by: reds8n
Bottle wrote:It's right that I didn't have any involvement in the rules of this new supplement. GW have just invited me up to play the new game
Good for you -- hope you have fun
pics etc please !
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Bottle wrote:It's right that I didn't have any involvement in the rules of this new supplement. GW have just invited me up to play the new game
Exactly what the hidden rule developer under an NDA would say!
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Post by: Lord Kragan
Bottle wrote:It's right that I didn't have any involvement in the rules of this new supplement. GW have just invited me up to play the new game
Ouch. Still, bring pics. Get Roundtree's if possible, haven't seen how the guy looks like. Gags ain't mandatory but you may need them.
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Post by: Grot 6
I love Bottle's stuff.
The ruleset focuses on getting a serious force on the table and actually make sense in concept and execution.
One of the issues, ( The main one) that !@#%ed me up was that the background, and how it was presented did not include the obvious.
Bottle's game actually enhances it, and If I were Bottle, I would use the game as an introductory job interview. Make no mistake, young yeoman, the Infamous THEY are watching you, and you will be approached at some point. Gargantuan-teed.
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Post by: Bottle
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Grot 6! Hinterlands was really fun to make and see it grow. Overall I am really happy to see GW take the helm now because it means I can sit back and enjoy painting/playing a bit more and start working on whatever project next takes my fancy - it might be something to go with AoS Skirmish or I might do something more akin to roleplaying in AoS/open board WHQ (that would again sit on top of the AoS Skirmish rules)... and then there's another part of me that wants to do something for the new 40k. Not "Hinterlands 40,000" because there are already loads of popular kill-team fansets + SW:A, but I certainly have an idea of *something* cooking in my brain right now.
Anyway, I will certainly come back with pics and reports after the games. AoS Skirmish is going to be really exciting for everyone I think! :-)
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Post by: Lord Kragan
By the way, what's in for this week's pre-orders?
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Post by: Lord Kragan
And that's it? Can't say I'm not slightly disappointed. Though considering that people in my LGS play more bloodbowl than ANYTHING ELSE COMBINED right now maybe I could pick it up.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
winterdyne wrote:Wait, what? GW have not only paid attention to a fan ruleset, but it seems they're effectively working with the creator of said rules?
Like they did with 40k in 40 minutes / patrol clash in ... 4th edition 40k?
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Post by: Enkmar
Any speculation if this Skirmish game will come in the former of a rulebook or might we see actual skirmish-sized warbands and boxes? Something akin to the old Mordheim boxes?
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Post by: Bottle
Are you guys excited for seeing AoS Skirmish this Wednesday?
This is the warband I will be taking out for the first game. (Around 6PM)
Freeguild represent!
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Looks great, Bottle. Should really pop on the ol' stream .
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Post by: Ben2
Bottle wrote:Are you guys excited for seeing AoS Skirmish this Wednesday?
This is the warband I will be taking out for the first game. (Around 6PM)
Freeguild represent!
In the current Generals handbook this is 256 points (I think, I don't play AoS).
I'm wondering if the game will be very shooty, particularly as you've gone big on guns with a wizard leader. I'd love it if Skeleton warriors were a practical choice.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Bottle wrote:Are you guys excited for seeing AoS Skirmish this Wednesday?
This is the warband I will be taking out for the first game. (Around 6PM)
Freeguild represent!
Ahhhh I completely forgot this was happening!
They look sweet af!
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Post by: CragHack
I was about to say, how would it be great if this Skirmish would allow to buy some 3 Fimir Warriors + Fimirach, paint them nicely and have a game (like we can do with Shadow War now). But then I remembered, that FW doesn't really care 
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Ben2 wrote: Bottle wrote:Are you guys excited for seeing AoS Skirmish this Wednesday?
This is the warband I will be taking out for the first game. (Around 6PM)
Freeguild represent!
In the current Generals handbook this is 256 points (I think, I don't play AoS).
I'm wondering if the game will be very shooty, particularly as you've gone big on guns with a wizard leader. I'd love it if Skeleton warriors were a practical choice.
Bottle's army has a lot of shooting in it anyway, this seems like a reasonable representation of the whole army so I wouldn't worry about it being cherry picked to take advantage of a shooting meta. And Bottle isn't really into that anyways.
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Post by: Ben2
NinthMusketeer wrote:Ben2 wrote: Bottle wrote:Are you guys excited for seeing AoS Skirmish this Wednesday?
This is the warband I will be taking out for the first game. (Around 6PM)
Freeguild represent!
In the current Generals handbook this is 256 points (I think, I don't play AoS).
I'm wondering if the game will be very shooty, particularly as you've gone big on guns with a wizard leader. I'd love it if Skeleton warriors were a practical choice.
Bottle's army has a lot of shooting in it anyway, this seems like a reasonable representation of the whole army so I wouldn't worry about it being cherry picked to take advantage of a shooting meta. And Bottle isn't really into that anyways.
I was thinking of things like Mordheim and Frostgrave where missile focused builds tend to be better or substantially better than melee builds.
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Post by: Bottle
Oh, I am only packed to the teeth with guns because this is a Freepeople's army! I have multiple skirmish warbands now and many of them have no shooting what-so-ever.
The main thing with AoS is the gun ranges are tiny now (those Handgunners only have a range of 16"), so they're not going to last long against something like Crypt Flayers which I know my opponent Ben is bringing as they'll be hurtling towards me at 12" a turn!
Also as you'll see later the battleplans for AoS Skirmish are great and encourage mobility just like the other AoS ones. Of course it's also important to have lots and lots of LOS blocking terrain.
I've got a Death Warband too, led by a Necromancer that includes a load of Skeleton Warriors so I would say they are a great choice (even if it's just to keep the Necromancer alive longer by taking his wounds). Spirit Hosts are the true gem though! :-)
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Post by: str00dles1
This is on at 6pm what timezone?
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Post by: Valander
Man, I wish I'd be able to catch the stream, but it's in the middle of my work day. Really looking forward to after action reports and more info on the skirmish game, though! Have fun, Bottle!
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Post by: Not-not-kenny
Presumably GMT since it's in Britain.
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Post by: Ghaz
More likely BST, which is GMT+1.
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Post by: MongooseMatt
Skirmish has just gone up for pre-order, along with some Skirmish Team box sets:
Skirmish Rulebook £6
Khorne Bloodbound Frenzied Goretribe £40
Flesh Eater Court Nightfeast Hunters £40
Ironjawz Weirdnob Warband £40
Stormcast Eternal Hammerstrike Brethren £40
Khorne set has Wrathmongers, Exalted Deathbringer and Blood Warriors, don't know about the others.
Also coming is a new Soulblight Necorpolis Battle Mat (4 x 4 again) and a Sigmarite Mausoleum, £50, is two Garden of Morrs combined.
Oh, and new 40k apparently 'end of the month', but no specific date given.
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Post by: zamerion
Thanks for the info!
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Post by: Bottle
6 quid! What a bargain. Can't wait to see what the mat looks like too!
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Post by: SKR.HH
MongooseMatt wrote:Skirmish has just gone up for pre-order, along with some Skirmish Team box sets:
Skirmish Rulebook £6
Khorne Bloodbound Frenzied Goretribe £40
Flesh Eater Court Nightfeast Hunters £40
Ironjawz Weirdnob Warband £40
Stormcast Eternal Hammerstrike Brethren £40
Khorne set has Wrathmongers, Exalted Deathbringer and Blood Warriors, don't know about the others.
Also coming is a new Soulblight Necorpolis Battle Mat (4 x 4 again) and a Sigmarite Mausoleum, £50, is two Garden of Morrs combined.
Oh, and new 40k apparently 'end of the month', but no specific date given.
Huh? Not on the GW Website or do I miss something?
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Post by: Fomorian
I think it could be the preorders for the LGS maybe? ...
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Post by: Chikout
SKR.HH wrote:MongooseMatt wrote:Skirmish has just gone up for pre-order, along with some Skirmish Team box sets:
Skirmish Rulebook £6
Khorne Bloodbound Frenzied Goretribe £40
Flesh Eater Court Nightfeast Hunters £40
Ironjawz Weirdnob Warband £40
Stormcast Eternal Hammerstrike Brethren £40
Khorne set has Wrathmongers, Exalted Deathbringer and Blood Warriors, don't know about the others.
Also coming is a new Soulblight Necorpolis Battle Mat (4 x 4 again) and a Sigmarite Mausoleum, £50, is two Garden of Morrs combined.
Oh, and new 40k apparently 'end of the month', but no specific date given.
Huh? Not on the GW Website or do I miss something?
I think he means that preorder info has gone out to retailers, so it will go up on the site on Saturday.
£6 for the book is an impulse buy level price. A little disappointed there is no new scenery. I already have a couple of garden of morrs
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Post by: Lithlandis Stormcrow
MongooseMatt wrote: Sigmarite Mausoleum, £50, is two Garden of Morrs combined.
Oh, and new 40k apparently 'end of the month', but no specific date given.
Take my money GW! Now!
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Post by: baltus
MongooseMatt wrote:Skirmish has just gone up for pre-order, along with some Skirmish Team box sets:
Skirmish Rulebook £6
Khorne Bloodbound Frenzied Goretribe £40
Flesh Eater Court Nightfeast Hunters £40
Ironjawz Weirdnob Warband £40
Stormcast Eternal Hammerstrike Brethren £40
Khorne set has Wrathmongers, Exalted Deathbringer and Blood Warriors, don't know about the others.
Also coming is a new Soulblight Necorpolis Battle Mat (4 x 4 again) and a Sigmarite Mausoleum, £50, is two Garden of Morrs combined.
Oh, and new 40k apparently 'end of the month', but no specific date given.
Cheers mate! Thanks for the info.
Just hoping it is a version a la Shadow War Armageddon rather than a respawn of path to glory in General's Handbook
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Post by: judgedoug
Assuming you got the FLGS newsletter can you post the US prices?
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Post by: MongooseMatt
judgedoug wrote:Assuming you got the FLGS newsletter can you post the US prices?
Sorry, don't get those, and don't really want to guess!
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Post by: Kanluwen
judgedoug wrote:Assuming you got the FLGS newsletter can you post the US prices?
Price brackets would put it at something like $10 for the Skirmish rulebook... 6GBP is the price for things like the "How to Paint: Deathwatch" book; it's $10 USD.
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Post by: judgedoug
Kanluwen wrote: judgedoug wrote:Assuming you got the FLGS newsletter can you post the US prices?
Price brackets would put it at something like $10 for the Skirmish rulebook...
6GBP is the price for things like the "How to Paint: Deathwatch" book; it's $10 USD.
GW's still stuck in the "1.7 : 1" mentality, so the £40 sets will be $68-$70 and Mausoleum will be $85. And the mat will be $85 as well based on the other mat pricing.
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Post by: str00dles1
Id assume they would make it 9.99 for the Book.
Im curious if the box sets for this are full boxes or just random amounts.
For Khorne set, its 149$ retail of stuff for 50$. Id buy a few of these...
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
I'm really curious as to those box contents. Worries me if it's too good of deal we end up with a Shadow War supply scramble.
Hoping the exalted deathbringer is the spear carrying one, as I'm missing him and he's gotten quite scarce around these parts.
If these end up being pretty heavily discounted (based on what those Khorne contents might be), it would've been a perfect opportunity to bundle up Fyreslayers into a manageable deal that people would have wanted to jump on.
Local FLGS said the price on the Fyreslayers has been the biggest hurdle for a lot of dwarf players. They like the sculpts, can't stomach the price.
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Post by: judgedoug
For Khorne set, its 149$ retail of stuff for 50$. Id buy a few of these...
NOT $50.
Most likely $70.
Several of the Start Collecting! sets are up to 50% off over buying separately, so I don't see why these sets would be any different.
My only speculation is that the Khorne set includes AoS Blood Warriors instead of the multipart ones. Or, it's just a tremendously good deal.
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Post by: Ben2
MongooseMatt wrote:Skirmish has just gone up for pre-order, along with some Skirmish Team box sets:
Skirmish Rulebook £6
Khorne Bloodbound Frenzied Goretribe £40
Flesh Eater Court Nightfeast Hunters £40
Ironjawz Weirdnob Warband £40
Stormcast Eternal Hammerstrike Brethren £40
Khorne set has Wrathmongers, Exalted Deathbringer and Blood Warriors, don't know about the others.
Also coming is a new Soulblight Necorpolis Battle Mat (4 x 4 again) and a Sigmarite Mausoleum, £50, is two Garden of Morrs combined.
Oh, and new 40k apparently 'end of the month', but no specific date given.
Hi Matt
Do you know what is in the Flesh Eater and Ironjawz sets? I'm more interested in Undead or Orks.
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Post by: str00dles1
judgedoug wrote:For Khorne set, its 149$ retail of stuff for 50$. Id buy a few of these...
NOT $50.
Most likely $70.
Several of the Start Collecting! sets are up to 50% off over buying separately, so I don't see why these sets would be any different.
My only speculation is that the Khorne set includes AoS Blood Warriors instead of the multipart ones. Or, it's just a tremendously good deal.
Im sure you most likely will be right, I was just converting 40 pounds to usd, which comes to 51.67 USD
I also hope it is the Spear deathbringer as I need him also
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Post by: Kanluwen
str00dles1 wrote:
Im sure you most likely will be right, I was just converting 40 pounds to usd, which comes to 51.67 USD
I also hope it is the Spear deathbringer as I need him also
As silly as it might sound, don't do straight conversions for the GBP to USD price.
GW has "price brackets" that they use in lieu of conversions, since currency conversions fluctuate a bit.
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Post by: judgedoug
Here ya go
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Post by: Bottle
This is my opponent Ben's list:
The Flayer and Horror will be champions to boot! What do you reckon the odds are?
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Post by: frozenwastes
Is that Freeguild blood splattered all over them?
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
Gun down the flayer first and you'll have good odds I think. With it's mobility and fly it can get into your face and has the best ability to assassinate your wizard, with it out of the way you can focus on the ghoul king. Leave the horror for last since it will be the most resilient and also drops notably in effectiveness once the king is dead.
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Post by: judgedoug
Current rumor of contents
Khorne:
5 Blood Warriors
5 Wrathmongers
1 Aspiring Deathbringer
Stormcast:
3 Liberators
2 Retributors
3 Prosecutors
1 Knight-Questor
Ghouls:
20 Ghouls
3 Horrors
Ironjawz:
5 Ardboyz
5 Brutes
1 Wierdnob Shaman
my take:
the Blood Warriors would be recut AoS Starter models, as the 10-man box set is 10 dudes and options across three sprues. It's not like five models, twice.
the Stormcast models are almost certainly recut AoS Starter models, or at least the Liberators and Retributors. The Prosecutors may be the full kit.
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Post by: Desubot
Oh man i guess i need to rebase all my mordhime stuff.
no biggy
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Post by: highlord tamburlaine
Yeah, waste the flayer before it closes in.
The king is being counted as a basic ghoul, right?
I'm going to have to take notes as I've got my son's Court seeing action against my Overlords soon.
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Post by: str00dles1
Hmmmmm. If that's the case, a little hard to really judge savings. I mean there is some but...
If its your recut khorne dudes, their value is about 15$ for 5. 30 For Deathbringer (please be spear) and 57 for Wrathmongers Making it 102USD worth of stuff for 65. Not horrible, but a full box would be much better. If its the Standard big axe deathbringer, think I will just buy the book as I really don't want yet another of him, and rather have the full options for the khorne guys
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Post by: judgedoug
str00dles1 wrote:Hmmmmm. If that's the case, a little hard to really judge savings. I mean there is some but...
If its your recut khorne dudes, their value is about 15$ for 5. 30 For Deathbringer (please be spear) and 57 for Wrathmongers Making it 102USD worth of stuff for 65. Not horrible, but a full box would be much better. If its the Standard big axe deathbringer, think I will just buy the book as I really don't want yet another of him, and rather have the full options for the khorne guys
Yup, the Flesh Eater Courts set works out to msrp $107 and the Orruks to about $101. So it looks like right around 100 or slightly over, for $65.
My source says Aspiring Deathbringer so that'd be Aspiring Deathbringer with Goreaxe and Skullhammer
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Post by: NinthMusketeer
 highlord tamburlaine wrote:Yeah, waste the flayer before it closes in.
The king is being counted as a basic ghoul, right?
I'm going to have to take notes as I've got my son's Court seeing action against my Overlords soon.
Well the flayer can move 12" then charge (presumably) verses the general 16" range of Bottle's guns, which means he'll probably need to use a juicy target as bait (probably one of the cavalry) who will get shredded but lure the flayer into gun range (and out of cover).
Of course we also need to hope that Bottle's opponent isn't reading this and devising a counter-strategy as we speak, else our favorite pop star is doomed.
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Post by: Valander
At 10 bucks or so, the rules are a no-brainer for me. Can't wait to see how this plays.
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Post by: Alpharius
How many pages in the $10US book?
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Post by: jullevi
Bottle wrote:The Flayer and Horror will be champions to boot! What do you reckon the odds are?
Rob: "fifty-fifty"
Eddie: "within the realms of possibility"
frozenwastes wrote:Is that Freeguild blood splattered all over them?
Ketchup.
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Post by: Necros
At GW prices that's probably like 5
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Post by: MLaw
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$10 for the skirmish book? Did I see right and it is a standalone system? If so, I'm pretty sure that's cheaper than the WHFB Skirmish booklet from way back (wow, I think it's 10+ years old now).. plus I am pretty sure you needed at least army books, and possibly the BRB of the day...
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Post by: frozenwastes
2002 it was $4 USD and 50 pages long. Most of it was scenarios and terrain articles and you did indeed need the full rulebook and the armybook for your army.
2017 it's $10 USD for an unknown number of pages, but you probably don't need any battle tomes and the main rules are free. So you probably just need the skirmish rules and warscrolls either from their website or their app and if you need points, scrollbuilder.com is available.
I'm trying to think of a way for them to structure the new rules document so that you need a battle tome book, but I'm just not coming up with anything.
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Post by: Crimson
Bottle wrote:This is my opponent Ben's list:
The Flayer and Horror will be champions to boot! What do you reckon the odds are?
I have no idea, but he has far fever models than you. And that thing on the tall rock is really beautiful. What model is that? Is it a conversion?
In any case, this AoS Skirmish seems absolutely splendid. I love modelling varied things, and this game allows me to grab a bunch of models from different factions and make lovely little warbands without having to commit to building a full army. I hope that the rules are decent.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 MLaw wrote:+
$10 for the skirmish book? Did I see right and it is a standalone system? If so, I'm pretty sure that's cheaper than the WHFB Skirmish booklet from way back (wow, I think it's 10+ years old now).. plus I am pretty sure you needed at least army books, and possibly the BRB of the day...
The Skirmish book was $5 I think, back in the day. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Crimson wrote:
I have no idea, but he has far fever models than you. And that thing on the tall rock is really beautiful. What model is that? Is it a conversion?
It is the Ghoul King from the Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist kit. He can be modeled on foot--although it's recently that they started showing him like that.
When the kit first came out, I improvised a Ghoul King using a tombstone from the old Skeleton Warrior kit.
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Post by: Crimson
Kanluwen wrote:
It is the Ghoul King from the Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist kit. He can be modeled on foot--although it's recently that they started showing him like that.
Thank you! Too bad he is not available separately.
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Post by: Bottle
NinthMusketeer wrote: highlord tamburlaine wrote:Yeah, waste the flayer before it closes in.
The king is being counted as a basic ghoul, right?
I'm going to have to take notes as I've got my son's Court seeing action against my Overlords soon.
Well the flayer can move 12" then charge (presumably) verses the general 16" range of Bottle's guns, which means he'll probably need to use a juicy target as bait (probably one of the cavalry) who will get shredded but lure the flayer into gun range (and out of cover).
Of course we also need to hope that Bottle's opponent isn't reading this and devising a counter-strategy as we speak, else our favorite pop star is doomed.
Thanks for the hints guys! The King is most definitely a King and not a regular ghoul! :-) I have a few tricks up my sleeve such as the Long Rifle and the Crossbow range, but I agree that Flayer is the highest priority!
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Post by: Geifer
It'll be interesting to see if the skirmish rules expand the basic rules in a meaningful way. Lately I've come to notice the shallowness of Age of Sigmar a little too much to keep enjoying the game. A skirmish variant with more depth would be most welcome. Going to have to remember to tune in for the stream.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Crimson wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
It is the Ghoul King from the Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist kit. He can be modeled on foot--although it's recently that they started showing him like that.
Thank you! Too bad he is not available separately.
It is if you buy em from bits sites .
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Post by: auticus
The skirmish book from back in the day was $5 or came with a white dwarf. I got mine with my white dwarf. I still use the scenarios to this day and its on my book shelf.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Crimson wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
It is the Ghoul King from the Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist kit. He can be modeled on foot--although it's recently that they started showing him like that.
Thank you! Too bad he is not available separately.
He isn't; but it's a good box for bits I think.
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Post by: CMLR
If rumours are true, then those skirmish bundles are freaking sweet.
Stormcast: 3 Liberators, 2 Retributors, 3 Prosecutors, 1 Knight-Something, probably costing around $92, saving you $27.
Ironjawz (oh man, I want this): 5 Ardboyz, 5 Brutes, 1 Wierdnob Shaman, $100.66 individually, saving you $35.66
Fleash-eaters: 3 Horrors, 20 Ghouls, individually $87, saving you $20.
Khorne: 5 Bloodreavers, 5 Wrathmongers, 1 Aspiring Deathbringer, individually $102, saves you $37 (and man, those Wrathmongers sprues are certainly expensive).
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Having bought the AoS starter box, the silver tower, and Hammerhal, I hope to be pleasantly surprised to find I can field several factions worth of warbands!!
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Post by: TalonZahn
Or, just buy a Start Collecting for less/same, and get more....
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Post by: Hulksmash
Except the start collecting boxes are actually $20 more base than these and these are actually excellent add-ons to the start collecting. Well, except the stormcast one which is pretty meh. I do get tired of their handling of it. Though the retributors and liberators are essentially free and you still save $10 or so just for the knight and prosecutors.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Chopxsticks wrote:Having bought the AoS starter box, the silver tower, and Hammerhal, I hope to be pleasantly surprised to find I can field several factions worth of warbands!!
Given the warbands that will be used on the live stream and how past Warhammer Skirmish things have gone, I think that's very, very likely.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
CMLR wrote:Ironjawz (oh man, I want this): 5 Ardboyz, 5 Brutes, 1 Wierdnob Shaman, $100.66 individually, saving you $35.66 Khorne: 5 Bloodreavers, 5 Wrathmongers, 1 Aspiring Deathbringer, individually $102, saves you $37 (and man, those Wrathmongers sprues are certainly expensive).
Those are pretty good. Wrathmongers remain one of the silliest minis GW have ever produced, but their alternates are quite nice. I don't know how you'd get 5 Bloodreavers though, as the sprue has 10 minis.
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Post by: Ben2
H.B.M.C. wrote:CMLR wrote:Ironjawz (oh man, I want this): 5 Ardboyz, 5 Brutes, 1 Wierdnob Shaman, $100.66 individually, saving you $35.66
Khorne: 5 Bloodreavers, 5 Wrathmongers, 1 Aspiring Deathbringer, individually $102, saves you $37 (and man, those Wrathmongers sprues are certainly expensive).
Those are pretty good. Wrathmongers remain one of the silliest minis GW have ever produced, but their alternates are quite nice.
I don't know how you'd get 5 Bloodreavers though, as the sprue has 10 minis.
There is a snap fit box of 5 bloodreavers.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Oh, ok then that makes sense.
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Post by: judgedoug
CMLR wrote:Khorne: 5 Bloodreavers, 5 Wrathmongers, 1 Aspiring Deathbringer, individually $102, saves you $37 (and man, those Wrathmongers sprues are certainly expensive).
Do you have a source for this? As this is different than the other source's line-up list which has 5 Blood Warriors in the Khorne set
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Those are pretty good. Wrathmongers remain one of the silliest minis GW have ever produced, but their alternates are quite nice
I thought they were dumb as gak until I got a set for extra monsters for WHQ Hammerhal, and discovered they are super cool. The annoying "very clean" GW studio paint job makes them look... not good.
Oddly, there's many more options on the sprues than just the Wrath Mongers and Skull Reapers, and because of they way the models are designed, you can easily mix and match - they remind me of the Blightkings. I almost wish it was a box of "make your own Chosen Khorne dudes" instead of two separate unit types.
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Post by: fresus
The army lists are up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/17/warhammer-live-lists-for-may-17th/
Basic infantry seems to cost 2 renown. So it's pretty clear we won't have options to buy very specific gear for each guy (like we can in most skirmishes, like Mordheim or the recent SWA).
It's kind of a bummer, as I think customizing guys is a good part of the fun when playing with a handful of models.
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Post by: MongooseMatt
judgedoug wrote:CMLR wrote:Khorne: 5 Bloodreavers, 5 Wrathmongers, 1 Aspiring Deathbringer, individually $102, saves you $37 (and man, those Wrathmongers sprues are certainly expensive).
Do you have a source for this? As this is different than the other source's line-up list which has 5 Blood Warriors in the Khorne set
And the saving is much less than I had been quoted (56%, if I recall right).
Should mention though, I never said 5 Blood Warriors, just that there were Blood Warriors in the set
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Post by: judgedoug
MongooseMatt wrote: judgedoug wrote:CMLR wrote:Khorne: 5 Bloodreavers, 5 Wrathmongers, 1 Aspiring Deathbringer, individually $102, saves you $37 (and man, those Wrathmongers sprues are certainly expensive).
Do you have a source for this? As this is different than the other source's line-up list which has 5 Blood Warriors in the Khorne set
And the saving is much less than I had been quoted (56%, if I recall right).
Should mention though, I never said 5 Blood Warriors, just that there were Blood Warriors in the set
There was a different source that I had quoted a page ago which had
Khorne: 5 Blood Warriors 5 Wrathmongers 1 Aspiring Deathbringer
Stormcast: 3 Liberators 2 Retributors 3 Prosecutors 1 Knight-Questor
Ghouls: 20 Ghouls 3 Horrors
Ironjawz: 5 Ardboyz 5 Brutes 1 Wierdnob Shaman
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Post by: Chopxsticks
Looks like the general has some custom options. Maybe there is more, they just arnt show casing it so its not super convoluted. One can only hope I suppose.
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