So what do you think, do you like the models, do the fit the fluff?

From what little we have seen so far the models look great and the fluff has potential.

The models seem legit, the fluff is a perfect example of why everyone makes fun of GW sometimes. I just can't imagine why they couldn't have come up with someone less shoehorned in. But, again, GW.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
From what little we have seen so far the models look great and the fluff has potential.

I second this.

Meh. Cool enough models. Poor execution. Sneaking suspicions of GW's endgame. Depending on box content terrain wise might invest in new starter box. Else will likely wait for scans of rules to show up online and skip paying GW for much else going forward.

Don't like any of it. The setting didn't need more marines with added marine, it needed more diversity and focus on stuff that wasn't marines. Even though the realist in me knows that was never going to happen...

100% In it for the models.

Meh on the fluff but mostly because we dont know everything yet.

100% laughing my ass off at the sky is falling crowd.

The models are fine, they look neat.

The fluff GW is trying to go with here, is...well, stupid.

Stupid on multiple levels. Monstrously so.

What makes it even worse is that it's completely unnecessary.

But the models are fine.

I'm not exactly thrilled that Guilliman ordered new Marines to be made 10k years ago, not completely convinced that the Emperor's (second ) favourite child would immediately try to recreate the Emperor's gift to mankind. Although this could just be pent up heretical bias. The model itself looks fine (I actually like it better than the nu-Plague marine).

 oldravenman3025 wrote:

^Nice avatar m8.

The models are okay. I have never been interested in "true-scale" Space Marines, as the models are all abstractions and representations anyways. I mean, technically a TRUE-scale Marine would be represented by impressive cosplay, not a plastic model barely an inch tall. I would have preferred that GW support basically any other army for 40K before Space Marines, particularly moving pewter and resin kits into HIPS.

The fluff has a lot of potential. I have gone over it in other threads, but suffice it to say that I can see some themes underlying them that, if GW were to follow through on them, would make for some decent fluff and character development for the Imperium and Guilliman himself.

Yes and yes

I think the models are awesome, but the fluff is throwaway nonsense that was most likely phoned in as a marketing decision to justify two tiers of marines in game.

I don't find them unattractive...but the models and the fluff are lazy as feth.

 Desubot wrote:
100% In it for the models.

Meh on the fluff but mostly because we dont know everything yet.

That's how I feel. I think the models are great. My initial reaction to the fluff is that I don't like it but it's impossible to judge with just the little blurb that GW has released so far.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
100% In it for the models.

Meh on the fluff but mostly because we dont know everything yet.

That's how I feel. I think the models are great. My initial reaction to the fluff is that I don't like it but it's impossible to judge with just the little blurb that GW has released so far.

All the blurbs are so far over excited teasers we cant take any of it right now at full face value

things may get stupid or it may be awesome. we dont even know if 8th will be that good of a game overall.

they may throw in stupid things like formations of 7th that we dont know about

the only concrete thing we have is there are new models and they look bitchin so thats what im focusing on

I think GW created the nu-marines because they came to realise regular marines are not really much good overall and wanted to bring them up to the required level but couldn't just retcon their entire range in one hit so are going about a longer replacement plan which also promotes more sales.

To me it works, I don't have Marines at the moment and I want some marines that are actual marines. The new model and rules just feel right to me


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I think GW created the nu-marines because they came to realise regular marines are not really much good overall and wanted to bring them up to the required level but couldn't just retcon their entire range in one hit so are going about a longer replacement plan which also promotes more sales.

To me it works, I don't have Marines at the moment and I want some marines that are actual marines. The new model and rules just feel right to me

The models are how marines should always look, I don't know about the rules, they might not have too much of a purpose, but rend on shooting is really powerful in AoS, it might be rare to have rend on basic infantry weapons but I'm not sure.

The fluff is sorta cool but sorta silly, could make for a really awesome civil war, chapter masters and battle brothers don't accept the numarines into their ranks, and the numarines feel superior to their older counterpart. Could be cool, but they probably won't go down that route.

Also- I love how we have literally seen artwork of a primaris marine and a primaris chaos marine since the official announcement of 8th, just noticed that and realized nobody has mentioned/noticed it to my understanding yet.

Change can be scary, but I love the models and I think we will all come out fine on the other side.


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We could be getting AoS'd after all

I think they look cool.
But then I don't own a single Space Marine. Perhaps if I had 500 of them I might be rightly annoyed.

The models are pretty nice, I'm not going to judge e fluff until we have more than a barebones description.

The pole is missing quite a few possible options and variations, so I'll be abstaining.

The models are lovely (not something I thought I would say about a marine model after Centurions came out), the fluff is... We really have no clue yet. All we know is the bit about them getting commissioned (at least the vague bits of it), but GW hasn't told us anything more about them beyond that. With the latter being arguably the most important part it is hard to say if the fluff is good or bad because we don't know it. So far the fluff articles have raised more questions than they've answered, and largely just been fluff pieces and filler. So I'm not putting much stock in to things before 8th actually drops and we can get details.

So the models are fantastic, but we don't know much of a thing about the fluff. It could end up being good, could end up being bad, could end up being silly and over the top (but in the good 2000AD sort of way).

 Desubot wrote:
100% In it for the models.

Meh on the fluff but mostly because we dont know everything yet.

100% laughing my ass off at the sky is falling crowd.

Pretty much me to a tee on this subject. I've never really been a fan of the space marines but I like these new models. In fact if they come out with some terminator variant then I'll definitely be starting a new SM army. And while I do laugh a bit at the doom and gloomers I also understand the want for the latest and greatest and how people who've invested a lot of money and time in there armies can feel a bit jaded about owning "outdated" miniatures.

Models are great, fluff is lacking, to put it lightly.

My Loyalist army is a mounted 8th company reserve white scars successor. We ARE the reinforcements. So NU Marines don't fit my army composition/looks. I will happily go halfsies on the new starter with someone at my FLGS and take all the Death Guard stuff.

I can't see myself buying them for a number of reasons (i like things that are smaller in general, not huge) but really i'm still waiting to see more.

I like some of my oldest tiniest marines best (though they are not as old as some)

 Sensual_T_Rex wrote:
I also understand the want for the latest and greatest and how people who've invested a lot of money and time in there armies can feel a bit jaded about owning "outdated" miniatures.

I wonder how these people react when companies release new and upgraded versions of other products they may own. Do they cry when Ford releases a new version of the Mondeo? Do they go running into the dealership screaming "You just invalidated my Mondeo! I literally can't drive it, or look at it again because you have just released a new version" What do they do about mobile phones? Do they scream bloody murder every time a new version of the Iphone comes around? (yearly) Most of the people I see making these kind of complaints, always come across as the worst kind of demanding, whiny, childish little brats. GW owes you nothing.

As for the M X marines. I really like the models and the small amount of fluff we have heard about them. Could open up a range of new and interesting avenues for them to explore.

we knew they were gonna do new marine models eventually anyway, so what other ideas could they have than making them Nu marines this time around... It was gonna happen sometime.

i mean, everyone rips on the Centuion models (which arent that bad when seen in person) and that was GW trying something new.

Im more concerned with how they handle the eistence of Space Marine scouts now. Sure the Guillimarines are hader to come by, but so is the recruitment process of these now second rate Astartes,

I think you need to add 'like the models, but couldn't possibly give a crap about the fluff either way. Let's see the rules before buying.'

 Hollow wrote:


I wonder how these people react when companies release new and upgraded versions of other products they may own. Do they cry when Ford releases a new version of the Mondeo? Do they go running into the dealership screaming "You just invalidated my Mondeo! I literally can't drive it, or look at it again because you have just released a new version" What do they do about mobile phones? Do they scream bloody murder every time a new version of the Iphone comes around? (yearly) Most of the people I see making these kind of complaints, always come across as the worst kind of demanding, whiny, childish little brats. GW owes you nothing.

As for the M X marines. I really like the models and the small amount of fluff we have heard about them. Could open up a range of new and interesting avenues for them to explore.

Down, boy. People aren't concerned that there's a new and improved version of what they already own, they're concerned that their armies might be literally invalidated or unsupported in the future. And if you don't think there's at least a bit of merit to that, ask a Brettonian or Tomb Kings player how they feel about the support their armies are getting.

If you like the fluff for old marines, I don't understand why you don't like the fluff for the new marines.

The are pretty much the same thing, which came to fruition after a 10,000 year project.

I think it is pretty cool to be honest. It really screams A New Hope () for the Imperium in the most dire situation it has seen in 10,000 years, with Guilliman leading a shade of what he used to have numbers wise to try and start reclaiming the Imperium while the rest try to stem the tide.

The situation hasn't been more dire in a long time for the Imperium, and pretty much all non-chaos factions (except probs for the nids)

 Hollow wrote:

 Sensual_T_Rex wrote:
I also understand the want for the latest and greatest and how people who've invested a lot of money and time in there armies can feel a bit jaded about owning "outdated" miniatures.

I wonder how these people react when companies release new and upgraded versions of other products they may own. Do they cry when Ford releases a new version of the Mondeo? Do they go running into the dealership screaming "You just invalidated my Mondeo! I literally can't drive it, or look at it again because you have just released a new version" What do they do about mobile phones? Do they scream bloody murder every time a new version of the Iphone comes around? (yearly) Most of the people I see making these kind of complaints, always come across as the worst kind of demanding, whiny, childish little brats. GW owes you nothing.

Methinks you're not actually looking at the substance of the complaints and are just jumping to conclusions.

These are expensive hobbies, involving not only money but time and effort as well. The entire thing is designed to foster an emotional attachment and investment as part of the hook, and having a coherent looking army is a big deal in this hobby, and with an understanding that.

That said, most people aren't upset about just there being new, bigger marines. It's the way GW is going about doing it, in traditional post 4E-GW style, with painfully stupid retcons and hamfisting stuff into places it really doesn't quite fit or serve a distinct purpose (both rules-wise and in the fluff). If they'd just announced they were reimagining marines and reupdating the line with a new vision for model line and game stats, the way they did Dark Eldar a few years ago, few people would have an issue, especially as the old stuff could still serve just as well without looking too goofy because of any scale differences. Introducing "marines+1" however, as a literal background universe thing, and particularly in the way it's been described thus far, inherently undercuts the fundamental premise/concept of many existing armies (something a new model car does not) while also adding a new unit to the table that doesn't really have a distinct role or purpose aside from just being slightly better Tac marines for their own sake, further increasing game complexity at a time when they're actively trying to tone that down.


TL;DR they took something that should have just been a simple "cool new vision for marines" and unnecessarily added a whole bunch of fluff and rules junk that really bites into the inherent value proposition from GW that many people bought into right when they're also trying to clamp down on that kind of thing elsewhere.

 Rippy wrote:
If you like the fluff for old marines, I don't understand why you don't like the fluff for the new marines.

The are pretty much the same thing, which came to fruition after a 10,000 year project.

From the background perspective, the Space Marines were supposed to be the pinnacle of the Emperor's work, having a Primarch, a lesser being, succeed in excess of the Emperor ten thousand years later comes off as both narratively lazy and...unsubtle in the extreme.

There's also some weirdness for many people with the Primarch's back, that was always kind of one of those "legendary" background elements that was there to help define the stage of things or act as rumored prophecy but not actually carry out a new act. Though that's probably worth it's own thread altogether.

I think it is pretty cool to be honest. It really screams A New Hope () for the Imperium in the most dire situation it has seen in 10,000 years,

Precisely because that flies against an inherent part of what makes the 40k universe what it is, spelled out right at the beginning of every rulebook since 1987

Warhammer 40,000 wrote:To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

That's the stage we're playing on. Science and technology do not offer hope, enlightened understanding and diplomacy have no place, only war.

 Luciferian wrote:
And if you don't think there's at least a bit of merit to that, ask a Bretonnian or Tomb Kings player how they feel about the support their armies are getting.

I own armies for both those factions. Love my Bretonnians especially. I don't recall ever crying about what happened with Fantasy. Loved that setting, Really enjoying what AoS has given us so far. Nothing stays the same, I don't cry about change, I embrace it.

That and resources that went into making this could have been used towards some of the other factions that are desperately needing new models. Specifically the Eldar, Chaos, Orks, and Imperial Guard.

 Hollow wrote:

I wonder how these people react when companies release new and upgraded versions of other products they may own. Do they cry when Ford releases a new version of the Mondeo? Do they go running into the dealership screaming "You just invalidated my Mondeo! I literally can't drive it, or look at it again because you have just released a new version" What do they do about mobile phones? Do they scream bloody murder every time a new version of the Iphone comes around? (yearly) Most of the people I see making these kind of complaints, always come across as the worst kind of demanding, whiny, childish little brats. GW owes you nothing.

Well I get what your saying and I do agree to an extent. But the vehicle comparison is a bit wrong in the fact that anyone who buys a truck knows full well that a new version of it will be released in a year. It's like when I got a gaming pc a few years back. I spent around 3000USD on it knowing full well that in 6 months it'd be worth half that price and even better PCs would be available.
As for my understanding of people being upset well I think it's because I'm still new to this game and I look at things from a newbie perspective. I've know about 40k since the 80s but I've never took the plunge until last year. Now I'm lucky because my army has a retro vibe to it so using older models goes with the theme. I've spent about 1600USD on it and I've paid to have it professionally painted. So yeah if I was new to the game and decided to go SM and invested a few thousand into them only to have the new hotness come out not even a year into my army then yeah I'd be a bit miffed.
However I do agree that most people are whining and complaining because the numarines look cooler then the old marines.

 Hollow wrote:

I own armies for both those factions. Love my Bretonnians especially. I don't recall ever crying about what happened with Fantasy. Loved that setting, Really enjoying what AoS has given us so far. Nothing stays the same, I don't cry about change, I embrace it.

And I'm not crying about this either, but I could certainly understand someone being miffed if suddenly all further production and support was entirely cut off for their favorite army. It's not exactly just a newer, better thing coming out like you said.

thing is with numarines they could easiuly do best of both worlds, let's face it space Marines don't need new infantry kits, (a plastic Thunderfire canon would be nice) so if all the new infantry are Primiarus Marines, ehb who cares? and new VEHICLES are something that could be given to new and old Marines. there's no reason to make the "Primarius pattern land raider" restricted to Primiarus Marines

That or it could be interesting with all current marines going "Traitor" against Guilliman's Crusade, so the two forces would be distinct. As it stands even the fluff sounds like the Primaris Marines will slowly replace the current astartes.

 Luciferian wrote:
And I'm not crying about this either, but I could certainly understand someone being miffed if suddenly all further production and support was entirely cut off for their favorite army..

All minis currently for sale by GW will be supported in the new edition. Which is actually an improvement on what has gone before, with large periods of waiting for updates. Yet people complain about invalidation. Everything is getting new rules in a matter of weeks. Yet people complain. I'm not jumping to conclusions, I've just reached a few regarding those who do seem to jump to them.

I really am struggling with people who are claiming that the new (very little amount we know so far) fluff is terrible. How is it? It all makes sense logically, they have finished of 7th edition with a big campaign, new models, and set up 8th in such a way that hasn't deviated from the lore laid out so far. Genetic superhumans are made and then replaced by new and better superhumans, who are then replaced by new and better superhumans. Everything is still grim dark, everything is still in keeping. I'd love to see some of these complainers try and build a lore over 30 years as good as what GW has managed.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
That or it could be interesting with all current marines going "Traitor" against Guilliman's Crusade, so the two forces would be distinct. As it stands even the fluff sounds like the Primaris Marines will slowly replace the current astartes.

and MK 8 armor was supposed to slowly replace MK 7 armor.

 Hollow wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
And I'm not crying about this either, but I could certainly understand someone being miffed if suddenly all further production and support was entirely cut off for their favorite army..

All minis currently for sale by GW will be supported in the new edition. Which is actually an improvement on what has gone before, with large periods of waiting for updates. Yet people complain about invalidation. Everything is getting new rules in a matter of weeks. Yet people complain. I'm not jumping to conclusions, I've just reached a few regarding those who do seem to jump to them.

I really am struggling with people who are claiming that the new (very little amount we know so far) fluff is terrible. How is it? It all makes sense logically, they have finished of 7th edition with a big campaign, new models, and set up 8th in such a way that hasn't deviated from the lore laid out so far. Genetic superhumans are made and then replaced by new and better superhumans, who are then replaced by new and better superhumans. Everything is still grim dark, everything is still in keeping.

See my post in response to Rippy on these items if you're actually curious why people have issues with it.

I'd love to see some of these complainers try and build a lore over 30 years as good as what GW has managed.

Most of the people that really built that good stuff both A: took a lot of it very liberally and directly from other things such as Judge Dredd, Starship Troopers, Dune, etc, and B: haven't worked for GW in many years. Their background stuff over the last decade or so really has had a marked decline in quality, reading the 3.5E CSM codex or RT's "WAAAAGH The Orks!" (published well before I ever started) is fantastically more powerful stuff in general than anything you'll find published recently.

 Blacksails wrote:
Models are great, fluff is lacking, to put it lightly.

Yeah I love the models, but I don't like the imperium getting all this sunshine and rainbows hope and the apparent lack of internal conflict about this. I hope there is more to the fluff than GW is telling us cause it seems really basic and cartoonish.

Thing is the stuff is already at the printers, you can bet money on it. And if it sucks...then it's gonna suck and nothings gonna change that between now and then.

 Hollow wrote:

All minis currently for sale by GW will be supported in the new edition. Which is actually an improvement on what has gone before, with large periods of waiting for updates. Yet people complain about invalidation. Everything is getting new rules in a matter of weeks. Yet people complain. I'm not jumping to conclusions, I've just reached a few regarding those who do seem to jump to them.

I really am struggling with people who are claiming that the new (very little amount we know so far) fluff is terrible. How is it? It all makes sense logically, they have finished of 7th edition with a big campaign, new models, and set up 8th in such a way that hasn't deviated from the lore laid out so far. Genetic superhumans are made and then replaced by new and better superhumans, who are then replaced by new and better superhumans. Everything is still grim dark, everything is still in keeping. I'd love to see some of these complainers try and build a lore over 30 years as good as what GW has managed.

OK man, I get it. You take everything that comes to you with stoic optimism, which gives you a pride and dignity of bearing that mere mortals will never know. You know the black and white truth; that people either unquestioningly accept and enjoy things, without criticism, as you do, or they are whiny complainers. Please feel free to give yourself another pat on the back on my behalf.

 Robin5t wrote:
Don't like any of it. The setting didn't need more marines with added marine, it needed more diversity and focus on stuff that wasn't marines. Even though the realist in me knows that was never going to happen...

i tend to agree with this sentiment. With Cadia destroyed, an aging model line for the Imperial Guard, GW decides to produce more Space Marines of which many thinks we already have more than enough for a little while (at the exception of Chaos, these guys were completly ignored in their own big moment).

Are they nice, yeah they are not so bad, but it could and should have waited a while before producing it.

 Hollow wrote:

I really am struggling with people who are claiming that the new (very little amount we know so far) fluff is terrible. How is it? It all makes sense logically, they have finished of 7th edition with a big campaign, new models, and set up 8th in such a way that hasn't deviated from the lore laid out so far. Genetic superhumans are made and then replaced by new and better superhumans, who are then replaced by new and better superhumans. Everything is still grim dark, everything is still in keeping. I'd love to see some of these complainers try and build a lore over 30 years as good as what GW has managed.

My biggest issue with the Fluff is why did Gawl sit on these marines and better equipment for so long..

He had no idea that Guilliman was gonna come back, but had a arsenal just sitting there in mars that could of been of use to the Imperium

Even if he kept the Primus Marines under wraps.. handing out the superior bolters out to the Chapters would of been a boon to the Imperium.

If he decided to awaken the Primus he could of potentially saved so much for the Imperium

@Vaktathi
Who is to say the Emperor couldn't have further genetically enhanced his gene-forged warrior's geneseed (to alter their genecode), the Astartes for the time were perfect, and removed more than enough from humanity as it was.
If he could make custodes and Primarchs, I imagine he made marines to a certain standard.

Plus this new creation allows for there to be more space marines in the galaxy, as their needs to be to actually support the amount of work they currently do in the fluff.

 Vaktathi wrote:
See my post in response to Rippy on these items if you're actually curious why people have issues with it.

I would not waste any more time arguing with him. Considering he's been saying things specifically to the contrary to people's expectations (like being a bret and tk player who not only had no problem with their squatting, but also took GW's promise at face value while praising their lore), you can't do much more than shout at a wall with him.

Funny enough, it probably doesn't take as much effort to build a lore as good as GW, since the Chapterhouse lawsuit (which is the instigator for all of this) kinda proved that most of GW's lore was written by other people and just had the serial numbers filed off (not that it was much of a secret beforehand). So, maybe spend 10 hours with a college student who's really good at plagarizing? Kinda explains why once GW tried going in their own direction, the lore started becoming more nonsensical.

EDIT: As for everyone else worrying, just note that you guys will get far more warning than the Bret and TK players got if you need to finish off some collections. Even if they are going, Marines likely will remain for at least a few years. I say finish off your current battle companies and dictate an end to where they will be, and move on to something else (either the Primaris Marines, Chaos or a Xeno race). By the sounds of it, the production of the rest of the line is already put into action, so this is happening one way or another.

Do you mean arguing with me, MechaEmperor?

 Rippy wrote:
Do you mean arguing with me, MechaEmperor?

No, he means our brave and stoic exemplar, Hollow.

They are 100% boring to me. It would take some really exceptional fiction to make at all interested in them. Models are nice, but I'll happily pass. They look weird and superfluous next to old marines.

 Luciferian wrote:

OK man, I get it. You take everything that comes to you with stoic optimism, which gives you a pride and dignity of bearing that mere mortals will never know. You know the black and white truth; that people either unquestioningly accept and enjoy things, without criticism, as you do, or they are whiny complainers..

Not at all. I'm not blind to the mistakes that GW has made in the past and I'm all for valid criticism. I just find certain whiney cynical presence on various threads to be tiring. Especially when it come to things we only have snippets of information about.

Luciferian wrote:

 Hollow wrote:


I wonder how these people react when companies release new and upgraded versions of other products they may own. Do they cry when Ford releases a new version of the Mondeo? Do they go running into the dealership screaming "You just invalidated my Mondeo! I literally can't drive it, or look at it again because you have just released a new version" What do they do about mobile phones? Do they scream bloody murder every time a new version of the Iphone comes around? (yearly) Most of the people I see making these kind of complaints, always come across as the worst kind of demanding, whiny, childish little brats. GW owes you nothing.

As for the M X marines. I really like the models and the small amount of fluff we have heard about them. Could open up a range of new and interesting avenues for them to explore.

Down, boy. People aren't concerned that there's a new and improved version of what they already own, they're concerned that their armies might be literally invalidated or unsupported in the future. And if you don't think there's at least a bit of merit to that, ask a Brettonian or Tomb Kings player how they feel about the support their armies are getting.

Except that the Space Marine players have something being set up to replace them. And barring rules abusers and the occasional stubborn jerk, no one will have a problem with those that use the old Space Marine models. (I can say this with certainty since I have 20 or so 1st Ed Terminators that I've used before without issue.

EDIT: Tension levels dropping. Switching to condition level yellow.

I dont like the models for 2 reasons.
1) the helmet, there is something about it that just strikes me as "off"
2) I dont appreciate the creep in size of models, at all. the board is still just 6x4 so dont want a bunch of bigger models and bigger bases and these seem to herald just that

I hate the fluff. I find it poorly conceived and just a shill to eventually phase out older models and replace them with new.

I wonder how these would look with the Corvus "Beakie" helmets. The FAQs did say that the head and shoulderpads were one of the few things that are still cross-compatible without modifications.

 Rippy wrote:
@Vaktathi
Who is to say the Emperor couldn't have further genetically enhanced his gene-forged warrior's geneseed (to alter their genecode), the Astartes for the time were perfect, and removed more than enough from humanity as it was.
If he could make custodes and Primarchs, I imagine he made marines to a certain standard.

Sure, but by the standing background of the 40k universe of the last 30 years or so, they were about where he wanted them to be and experimentation or "improvement" by the Primarch's just led to tragedy and the creation of monsters and deviants or self mutilation and the like. That was part of their whole fluff thing, messing with that which was created by "god" (the Emperor) and paying for it, in multiple different instances (Raven Guard, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Thousand Sons, Iron Hands to some extent, etc), and the whole fundamental universe premise about how technology and progress are not enough to overcome the eternal cycle of violence.

Plus this new creation allows for there to be more space marines in the galaxy, as their needs to be to actually support the amount of work they currently do in the fluff.

Won't get any argument from me on this point

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I wonder how these would look with the Corvus "Beakie" helmets. The FAQs did say that the head and shoulderpads were one of the few things that are still cross-compatible without modifications.

oh...beakie helmets might look pretty ace actually...

I like the models, still unsure about the fluff. Not entirely keen on the new helmet, i definitely prefer the old styles, but overall i like them. Power armour should look 'techy' imo, even if most of the knowledge regarding it's creation and maintenance is lost. Its just that the helmets look a bit too organic imo, very smooth and curved and i'm not used to that sort of look from marines. I like the cables and what-nots sticking out. But overall i like them.

edit: should probably mention most importantly, they don't look like they're all squatting down, they're standing up like normal people. Most of the older marines look like someone's given them a wedgie and they're trying to walk it out without anyone noticing. Or else that bowl of chilli last night just hit them and they're hoping they can make it through the battle before something bad happens.

The models are pretty, but scale-creep makes the baby Jesus cry.

Love the models, haven't read the fluff and I'm not going to. Will be collecting them when they come out.

I don't care about the Fluff as much as others.

Though I think they are a nice change of pace from normal Marines for some games.

dosiere wrote:
The models seem legit, the fluff is a perfect example of why everyone makes fun of GW sometimes.

How would you do it?

 Torga_DW wrote:

edit: should probably mention most importantly, they don't look like they're all squatting down, they're standing up like normal people. Most of the older marines look like someone's given them a wedgie and they're trying to walk it out without anyone noticing. Or else that bowl of chilli last night just hit them and they're hoping they can make it through the battle before something bad happens.

"Legs wide" is the codex approved method of advancing. It offers a lower profile to the enemy, and a steadier firing position for the holy bolter.

Or do you want to hold your head high and proud in a firefight?

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I wonder how these would look with the Corvus "Beakie" helmets. The FAQs did say that the head and shoulderpads were one of the few things that are still cross-compatible without modifications.

might have issues due to the mk 8 style colar on the armor.

BTW aren't the helmets basicly just MK4 helmets?

Don't really care one way or another as they are 100% utterly irrelevant for us. Too big to use as tacticals etc as they would look silly among hundreds of old ones. For new ones fluff don't fit to our games at all so we would have to create new fluff for super marines and frankly they aren't interesting enough to go through of coming up with new rules and fluff for them.

So we ignore them. Too much trouble for what they provide.

My complaint is that the inevitable addition of more nu-marines will make it even less likely that older kits in need of updates (Ork/Chaos/Sisters/Whathaveyou) will finally get what they need. Instead, GW has found yet another way to throw more marines at us.

Joy.

Its ok model wise,
Fluff wise its a bit meh.

Its a commercial decision by GW to restart their Marine line - I would have prefered that they explored sales elsewhere in their product portfolio but they are very single minded - even now.

Plasitc Aspect Warriors, Sisters, Guard regiments other than Cadia, Tau Auxlieries - all had loads of potential but instead we get a slightly different marine with a slightly different gun.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Its ok model wise,
Fluff wise its a bit meh.

Its a commercial decision by GW to restart their Marine line - I would have prefered that they explored sales elsewhere in their product portfolio but they are very single minded - even now.

Plasitc Aspect Warriors, Sisters, Guard regiments other than Cadia, Tau Auxlieries - all had loads of potential but instead we get a slightly different marine with a slightly different gun.

Malibu Stacey! Now with a new hat!

It should be GW new motto at this point. If they really needed more super-warrior, couldn't they just make more Custodes since they released them recently?

I don't really see an option for...

I don't like the models, I don't like the fluff

2 of the options seem to both say "I don't care"

 Talamare wrote:
I don't really see an option for...

I don't like the models, I don't like the fluff

2 of the options seem to both say "I don't care"

While I disagree with Talamare, he is correct that there should just be a "No" answer given that there's also a "Yes" answer.

I hope they get all the options that old marines get, and I'll slowly just brush the old 1 wound marines under the rug and be like "What are you talking about.. they always had 2 wounds, 2 attacks and 30" bolters!"

Their new stats fit what marines should look like based on the fluff.

Models look great, not sure when I'll start getting them though. Right now all my guys are semi-true scaled with green stuff to add height and bulk between their joints. I'll have to stack the new guys up to my current ones to see how different they are.

Models are OK I suppose. Of all the new things they could have released though, it's really hard to get excited about another damn space marine variant.

 Insectum7 wrote:
"Legs wide" is the codex approved method of advancing. It offers a lower profile to the enemy, and a steadier firing position for the holy bolter.

Or do you want to hold your head high and proud in a firefight?

If that's the case the enemies of the Imperium should really invest in a troupe of Kazatsky dancers armed with power-boots.

 More Dakka wrote:
I hope they get all the options that old marines get, and I'll slowly just brush the old 1 wound marines under the rug and be like "What are you talking about.. they always had 2 wounds, 2 attacks and 30" bolters!"

I think that's the general idea behind this. I fully expect there to be only Primaris marines (even if merely represented with people's old models) sometime in the next couple of years.

Honestly the fluff is pretty good... of course a revived Primarch would want some super reinforcements upon discovering the abysmal state of his former empire; 10k years of "regular" space marines were obviously inadequate.

It's just - from a gaming, modeling/hobbying and existing armies / piles of plastic perspective - it's sooo far from what I want to get involved in right now.

We all asked for a balanced game - Nobody asked for new marines... given historical precedence it makes me weary that GW is actually listening, but I'm still hopeful.

I like the new marines well enough, but as a Space Wolves player, I don't see myself fielding them anytime soon.

I've always viewed the SW chapter as being one of the more reclusive and distrusting ones (right up there with DA). Unless fluff has changed significantly since I last played (10 years ago or so), I don't see many scenarios where the Primaris Marines would be welcomed into The Fang.

New models look good, but the fluff.... Girlyman getting a new legion of bespoke Numarines and heading off with normal chapters tagging along, okay.

New chapters of them, old chapters being given them to make up numbers again despite the lack of sense it makes for armies like Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, etc.. Meh, lazy.

I like the miniatures for the most part, the legs are little bit sigmariney and the bolt rifle in place of the iconic bolter doesn't feel quite right, but they look great otherwise and I'm really looking forward to seeing how the community converts and paints them. Though I am really curious as to what exact size they are, especially in comparison to "true scale" conversions made from terminator bits.

 Praxus wrote:
I've always viewed the SW chapter as being one of the more reclusive and distrusting ones (right up there with DA). Unless fluff has changed significantly since I last played (10 years ago or so), I don't see many scenarios where the Primaris Marines would be welcomed into The Fang.

This is a total aside, but I've always thought of the Space Wolves setup as more of an Imperial allied fiefdom, seems unusual that the Imperium of all places would consider them super loyal when they don't play by the rules

There's potential for the Primaris marines to be something a bit more unusual for chapters like Space Wolves or Blood Angles, like maybe they'd become super-Wulfen or something. Quote from the Warhammer Community site below for context.

some dissenting voices worry how this new type of warrior will react with the known genetic quirks and flaws of some of the more unusual Chapters

 nurgle5 wrote:
I like the miniatures for the most part, the legs are little bit sigmariney and the bolt rifle in place of the iconic bolter doesn't feel quite right, but they look great otherwise and I'm really looking forward to seeing how the community converts and paints them. Though I am really curious as to what exact size they are, especially in comparison to "true scale" conversions made from terminator bits.

 Praxus wrote:
I've always viewed the SW chapter as being one of the more reclusive and distrusting ones (right up there with DA). Unless fluff has changed significantly since I last played (10 years ago or so), I don't see many scenarios where the Primaris Marines would be welcomed into The Fang.

This is a total aside, but I've always thought of the Space Wolves setup as more of an Imperial allied fiefdom, seems unusual that the Imperium of all places would consider them super loyal when they don't play by the rules

There's potential for the Primaris marines to be something a bit more unusual for chapters like Space Wolves or Blood Angles, like maybe they'd become super-Wulfen or something. Quote from the Warhammer Community site below for context.

some dissenting voices worry how this new type of warrior will react with the known genetic quirks and flaws of some of the more unusual Chapters

SW are sort of in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation though. They'll have to welcome Primaris Marines out of necessity. Then they will see that the Primaris are actually huge dog-lovers and they'll totally bond over that.

 nurgle5 wrote:
I like the miniatures for the most part, the legs are little bit sigmariney and the bolt rifle in place of the iconic bolter doesn't feel quite right, but they look great otherwise and I'm really looking forward to seeing how the community converts and paints them. Though I am really curious as to what exact size they are, especially in comparison to "true scale" conversions made from terminator bits.

 Praxus wrote:
I've always viewed the SW chapter as being one of the more reclusive and distrusting ones (right up there with DA). Unless fluff has changed significantly since I last played (10 years ago or so), I don't see many scenarios where the Primaris Marines would be welcomed into The Fang.

This is a total aside, but I've always thought of the Space Wolves setup as more of an Imperial allied fiefdom, seems unusual that the Imperium of all places would consider them super loyal when they don't play by the rules

There's potential for the Primaris marines to be something a bit more unusual for chapters like Space Wolves or Blood Angles, like maybe they'd become super-Wulfen or something. Quote from the Warhammer Community site below for context.

some dissenting voices worry how this new type of warrior will react with the known genetic quirks and flaws of some of the more unusual Chapters

Spacce Wolves have Plot shields nine miles thick - oh God Super Wolfen - likely riding Super Wolves as well I used to love the Space Wolves.....

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
My complaint is that the inevitable addition of more nu-marines will make it even less likely that older kits in need of updates (Ork/Chaos/Sisters/Whathaveyou) will finally get what they need. Instead, GW has found yet another way to throw more marines at us.

Joy.

How in the world does it make it less likely? delayed perhaps but i cant see GW dropping there older lines.

They're marines without the redeeming features of marines.

Mr Morden wrote: Spacce Wolves have Plot shields nine miles thick - oh God Super Wolfen - likely riding Super Wolves as well I used to love the Space Wolves.....

A couple of Wulfen Primaris being herded around by a Wolf Priest like the Ad Mech Kastelan robots could be cool (maybe not the exact rules, but the general principle). If the chapters with messed up gene-seeds are gonna get the Primaris marines they may as well do something interesting with that. In any case Super Wulfen couldn't be any worse than the Santa Sleigh surely!

Purifier wrote:SW are sort of in a "beggars can't be choosers" situation though. They'll have to welcome Primaris Marines out of necessity. Then they will see that the Primaris are actually huge dog-lovers and they'll totally bond over that.

I'd actually completely forgotten about Fenris getting wrecked already...

Nope.

They're a decidedly meh for me.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
"Legs wide" is the codex approved method of advancing. It offers a lower profile to the enemy, and a steadier firing position for the holy bolter.

Or do you want to hold your head high and proud in a firefight?

If that's the case the enemies of the Imperium should really invest in a troupe of Kazatsky dancers armed with power-boots.

Too much flexing at the knee risks exposing thinner plate to the foe, and decreses balance. The codex aproved method is to drop to one knee instead, placing your forward (foot down) leg in front of the back leg for minimum exposure of rear knee (knee down) joint to the enemy.

 thekingofkings wrote:
I dont like the models for 2 reasons.
1) the helmet, there is something about it that just strikes me as "off"

Because it looks like a Necron helmet.

2) I dont appreciate the creep in size of models, at all. the board is still just 6x4 so dont want a bunch of bigger models and bigger bases and these seem to herald just that

I hate the fluff. I find it poorly conceived and just a shill to eventually phase out older models and replace them with new.

Hopefully they'll get so big that Superheavies and GMCs will become normal sized or forced back into Apoc.
Fluff has been going downhill for years, I'll agree with that except AdMech sitting on good stuff and not distributing it to the rest of the imperium is nothing new, they've been doing that since their first mentions Mechanicus believe their work is FAR more important than any life.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
I dont like the models for 2 reasons.
1) the helmet, there is something about it that just strikes me as "off"

Because it looks like a Necron helmet.

you mean it looks like a skull? truthfully my first thought on seeing it was that it was a MK IV helmet.




thats really my over all impression, it's MK 8 armor, with a MK IV helmet and some reinforcements at weak joints.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


Because it looks like a Necron helmet.

Necrons wear helmets? I thought that was their skull... and it looks nothing like a foul Necron, if anything it reminds me of a smoother MK IV helm. come on man, the punisher skull bares more similiarity to a damn filthy nercon.

AH I wish 8th was a video game, I can just picture the cutscenes... Marines standing proud on the deck of a ship, ready to serve, their armour painted up in the respective chapters they have been asigned to reinforce.. the huge Ultramarines Banner for 2nd Company, colourful and proud... then cut to a bright mid-day sun, the banner slightly torn up by enemy fire, these huge hulking Marines pouring through the laneways between these great ruined structures, climing up over the ruined imperial guard bunkers and barricades, and charging head first in to the enemy, smashing traitor and xeno alike!

Plus they have RIFLES, I mean come on... and a RAIL SYSTEM!hahahahah okay whatever.

 Ginsu33 wrote:


Plus they have RIFLES, I mean come on... and a RAIL SYSTEM!hahahahah okay whatever.

And racing stripes. They look like god damn mustangs, in a good way.

 Luciferian wrote:

 Ginsu33 wrote:


Plus they have RIFLES, I mean come on... and a RAIL SYSTEM!hahahahah okay whatever.

And racing stripes. They look like god damn mustangs, in a good way.

Did you SEE his eyes shine like that in the photo? MAN I thought I was losing my mind!! Like a hot car on the showroom floor, you swear it winked at you to buy it.... these toys are aweome
AND his carrying a sidearm!!!!c COME ON!!!

Yeah the eye shine freaked me out for a minute.

Space Wolves should be fun in the new storyline, actually. Now the entire Chapter can go 13th company ala Black Crusade campaign, using captured Chaos armor segments as a stopgap for losing the production factories inside the Fang.

 Luciferian wrote:

 Ginsu33 wrote:


Plus they have RIFLES, I mean come on... and a RAIL SYSTEM!hahahahah okay whatever.

And racing stripes. They look like god damn mustangs, in a good way.

Good mustangs? The only thing they're good for is running over people at cars & coffee

Racerguy180 wrote:


Good mustangs? The only thing they're good for is running over people at cars & coffee

Imports are heresy.

 Luciferian wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:


Good mustangs? The only thing they're good for is running over people at cars & coffee

Imports are heresy.

Heartbeats louder than hoofbeats

 Ginsu33 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


Because it looks like a Necron helmet.

Necrons wear helmets? I thought that was their skull... and it looks nothing like a foul Necron, if anything it reminds me of a smoother MK IV helm. come on man, the punisher skull bares more similiarity to a damn filthy nercon.

AH I wish 8th was a video game, I can just picture the cutscenes... Marines standing proud on the deck of a ship, ready to serve, their armour painted up in the respective chapters they have been asigned to reinforce.. the huge Ultramarines Banner for 2nd Company, colourful and proud... then cut to a bright mid-day sun, the banner slightly torn up by enemy fire, these huge hulking Marines pouring through the laneways between these great ruined structures, climing up over the ruined imperial guard bunkers and barricades, and charging head first in to the enemy, smashing traitor and xeno alike!

Plus they have RIFLES, I mean come on... and a RAIL SYSTEM!hahahahah okay whatever.

Considering Necrons are automatons rather than skeletons or exoskeletons I doubt either of us are using the right term - anyway both Necron and Mk4 visages look like hockey mask charactures to me.
You should get some animation programs, that description was sweet.

Aw thanks, yeah if I knew how to use those programs I would!

You guys see them helmetless? The look ugly and inhuman AF. The heads and faces ugh. Heresy indeed.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
You guys see them helmetless? The look ugly and inhuman AF. The heads and faces ugh. Heresy indeed.

Troll harder mate.

Nice models, completely unnecessary

Like the models, it's about time GW started to phase in true-scaled marines. Hate the fluff, it's entirely unnecessary and wholly bad.

But I don't care for marines too much anyway, and probably won't buy them either way.

Models look nice, but not my cup of tea. Interested to see if the armor worn by the Captain in the starter set becomes the new equivalent of Terminator armor, and looking forward to checking out the Primarais Dread when it drops.

I just kinda realized something.

a current space marine model (or at least one from AoBR) is kinda taller than a boy, roughly the same size as the nob/flash gitz (from the nob kit, the nob from the boyz kit is smaller), and is of course smaller than Meganobz, Big meks, and Warbosses. Which fits with fluff and mechanics, since nobz and marines are equals.

The Restartus models are a head taller than nobz, and I think the captain is straight up taller than a warboss.

This irritates me. Warbosses have always been presented as THE biggest infantry HQ short of special characters, and them being dwarfed by these upstarts really get at me in a way I didn't think I could be gotten as an ork player.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
I just kinda realized something.

a current space marine model (or at least one from AoBR) is kinda taller than a boy, roughly the same size as the nob/flash gitz (from the nob kit, the nob from the boyz kit is smaller), and is of course smaller than Meganobz, Big meks, and Warbosses. Which fits with fluff and mechanics, since nobz and marines are equals.

The Restartus models are a head taller than nobz, and I think the captain is straight up taller than a warboss.

This irritates me. Warbosses have always been presented as THE biggest infantry HQ short of special characters, and them being dwarfed by these upstarts really get at me in a way I didn't think I could be gotten as an ork player.

bah wut do youz care, if them Space Marine Gitz git bigger 'nm fightier that'll just make stomping em all da better! 'n maybe you'll git bigger 'n fightier too!



seriously though given how Orks tend to grow with time etc, I'd not be too suprised to see bigger Orks down the road. The War of the Beast may have had a component of GW tossing some ideas out there to see what where popular.

I'm largely indifferent, like I am to most Marines. I'll paint up the gang from the starter for my one chapter, get them a Rhino Deluxe at some point and hope that's the end of it.

Don't care, I no longer play current 40K. If something is released I can use in Classichammer, then away I go. As it stands, none of this is usable my me. The only good part is maybe cheap older kits to be had on evilbay.

Not a fan of the design beyond the jump marines. Wish they came in the current marine size. Not buying any for sure, considering my last marine purchases was the two Horus Heresy boxed games - and Kill Team. Well, and Shadow War.

Really bad timing to start resizing the marines, now that I think about it. The Horus Heresy Mk armor corpses are still warm...

They are true scale marines we wanted them here they are. What is not to like aside from the strange fluff. But then again you don't have to like the heretik slug nor his oddly xenophile friend.

I may be okay with the fluff if it turns out to end in some manner similar to what happened to the Raven Guard during the Heresy. Perhaps they go several years working fine and giving hope to the imperium, and then a decent sized portion start falling apart, mutating into monstrosities. And the chapters whose geneseed is more unstable (like blood angels, space wolves, etc.) see some truly terrifying horrors arise: blood angel numarines that initially seem to be giving into the red thirst reveal a cannibalistic hunger that can't be sated, space wolf numarines coming down with super rabies (pretty much 28 Days Later zombies except they're Space Marines), salamander numarines slowly having their flesh turn to stone, etc.

But I definitely like the miniatures... They'll be fine additions to my Iron Warriors.

Hate the size creep. Would welcome new models if they would be just slightly taller than the current line of marines, but this is too much. They don't feel truescale, they feel out of scale.

Can't really see these guys aesthetically working with "old" marines. GW is just trying to be nice while slowly phasing out all older kits. Probably won't take that long, given that editions change every 2-3 years now.

I like the look of them, and like the horus heresy, all we have to begin with is one short blurb, and look how that panned out. I doubt the numarines will have fluff to rival the HH, but I wouldn't knock it yet.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I like the look of them, and like the horus heresy, all we have to begin with is one short blurb, and look how that panned out. I doubt the numarines will have fluff to rival the HH, but I wouldn't knock it yet.

Try to condense ANY faction in 40k to a 2 sentence marketing blurb without it sounding "lame"

I like the models but cannot judge the fluff properly as there is too few info so far.

 Hollow wrote:

 Sensual_T_Rex wrote:
I also understand the want for the latest and greatest and how people who've invested a lot of money and time in there armies can feel a bit jaded about owning "outdated" miniatures.

I wonder how these people react when companies release new and upgraded versions of other products they may own. Do they cry when Ford releases a new version of the Mondeo? Do they go running into the dealership screaming "You just invalidated my Mondeo! I literally can't drive it, or look at it again because you have just released a new version" What do they do about mobile phones? Do they scream bloody murder every time a new version of the Iphone comes around? (yearly) Most of the people I see making these kind of complaints, always come across as the worst kind of demanding, whiny, childish little brats. GW owes you nothing.

As for the M X marines. I really like the models and the small amount of fluff we have heard about them. Could open up a range of new and interesting avenues for them to explore.

Haha , this !

If these had been actual true scale marines, and not simply bigger marines and new with silly looking guns and other things...I would have been fairly excited, I mean doing a few TS dark angels or beakies would have been a really fun paint week for me and I would have put a lot of love and personalizing into them.

What they are currently, no...I don't like them at all. There is a few aspects to parts of their armour that look ok mainly the knees and lower legs, overall I think they look incredibly boring and even silly. No doubt people will buy them and plenty will use them for true scale but for me I will stick the existing marines.

I know some will claim but they are tru scale no guys this is not true, they are a totally different armour mark and while you can use some parts for kit bashing true scale there is quite a bit of work to be done on them if you wanted to use the real mark armour we have been used to over the years.

Which is what bothers me the most, if they are planning to redo all the marines to this scale then that would be ok with me, but I have a feeling that won't happen and we will just be stuck with nu numarine varieties and releases.

I really like the new models and the warden of the house has given me full clearance to get the new box set so I'm thrilled!

On the fluff side of things I really don't know. Like, what we've seen so far they are just shoe horning these primaris marines straight in our eye of terror. It doesn't seem like a good fit for chapters like the space wolves or salamanders but again a tidbit of info we got was that some factions are not in agreement of the new marines.

GW went crazy with the space wolves models last year and I doubt they'd retconn all of those so quickly. Primaris marines on bigger wolves maybe?

honestly regarding the space wolves, WOULD they oppose them? they where depicted welcoming the Wulven "because they are our brothers" the primaris Marines seem like less of a stretch that way

Aside from the jump marines, they're great. I wish they had been actual replacements.

I'll have one Squad of the Nu-Marines, that i will break up and uses as corpses on the bases of my Sisters Of Battle, as they embark on their crusade to tear down the False Prophet Gulliman, and restore the True Imperium, Emperor's Light to the universe.

Death to Gulliman the False Prophet!

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly regarding the space wolves, WOULD they oppose them? they where depicted welcoming the Wulven "because they are our brothers" the primaris Marines seem like less of a stretch that way

Restartes are not children of Fenris. Wulfen are.

 Rippy wrote:


The situation hasn't been more dire in a long time for the Imperium, and pretty much all non-chaos factions (except probs for the nids)

Tau are doing great and expanding.

Necron are going great guns.

Orks are having a blast.

Dark Eldar are also having fun apart from being ribbed for their stupid new name.

We Xenos are generally fine, TYVM.

 Souleater wrote:

 Rippy wrote:


The situation hasn't been more dire in a long time for the Imperium, and pretty much all non-chaos factions (except probs for the nids)

Tau are doing great and expanding.

Necron are going great guns.

Orks are having a blast.

Dark Eldar are also having fun apart from being ribbed for their stupid new name.

We Xenos are generally fine, TYVM.

Dark Eldar have recently their capital torn appart and totally flooded by demons... but maybe thats funny for Dark Eldar

 Galas wrote:

 Souleater wrote:

 Rippy wrote:


The situation hasn't been more dire in a long time for the Imperium, and pretty much all non-chaos factions (except probs for the nids)

Tau are doing great and expanding.

Necron are going great guns.

Orks are having a blast.

Dark Eldar are also having fun apart from being ribbed for their stupid new name.

We Xenos are generally fine, TYVM.

Dark Eldar have recently their capital torn appart and totally flooded by demons... but maybe thats funny for Dark Eldar

Yes but the Mandrake dimension opened up and they've got a new Mandrake king!.. No clue where that's going to go for them but hey they've got new shadow besties.

Warhammer Community Page just released a teaser video for the Redemptor Dreadnought. Looks like a cross between a regular Dread and Contemptor. Has a big old dreadfist with what looks to be an underslung melta gun, then a big, long plasma cannon, and most notably: Two twin linked nipple heavy bolters. I can't tell you how erotic in a Freudian way this guy makes me feel. Think about all that we know about 8th edition so far. If those nipple heavy bolters are in fact twin linked, you are looking at 12 S6 Rend -1 shots in addition to whatever else that Plasma Cannon does. The meltagun is pretty much a "whatever" compared to the Plasma and Nipple Heavy Bolters.

Which brings me to what I think will be my new Chapter of Primaris Space Marines: The Knights of Ultramar, or "Ultra Knights"! Pretty catchy, eh?

But the legs, tamwulf! the legs! it might actually be able to walk properly!

I have to admit, i'm liking what i saw in that. Dreadnoughts have always been my weak spot.

it's beautiful, definatly gonna snag some of those, taking a guess as to it's weaponry, it's gonna be a Primaris Plasma Cannon (which should basicly be a AOE styled version of the Primaris plasma gun, assume it'll have 40 inch range) 2 twin linked bolters, the big question is if they'll be heavy bolters, bolt rifles, or assault bolters a Power Fist that won't swing at -1, the metla gun may be a metla gun or just a flamer, eaither way yeah, it's almost an after thought in comparison

Honestly I like the models but hate the concept. There are so many armies that need attention but we get Primaris marines instead. Regardless of my opinion though they're here to stay. At least I can look forward to stacking their corpses high and cutting down my groups marine players army after he gets done preaching how super awesome his numarines are.

I don't remember what i voted for, but the more I think about it, the more I really dislike the fluff. In particular, I dislike the fluff as justification for the models.

So what are AA now? Chumps? No longer the Angels of Death, but the Angels of Beat-You-Up?

Sure, there are now true scale marines, but they should be AA. I'd rather GW just made the new models AA and were just honest and said "yeah, we're making new models to finally fit their correct size according to the fluff". But they had to twist the fluff and find some reason to sell more minis (as if these wouldn't sell like hotcakes anyway).

Anyway, just really not digging what the game/40k U may look like in 2-4 years. AA become obsolete (both fluff-wise and in-game), possible jarring visuals on the game board, SM players playing Proxyhammer, etc.

The only thing I think that could make me happy is if after a year or 2, GW just figures out some way to write the Primarines to inherit the Adeptus Astartes moniker.

Anyway, end of my I swear there's no

 nurgle5 wrote:
A couple of Wulfen Primaris being herded around by a Wolf Priest

The only way this would be cool is if I could model them after Sif and Artorias.

I really wanna know how gw will make this fit in with csm. They said in the FAQ that csm will get goodies their way, but so far we've only seen nurgle-esque stuff.

Will there be chaos undivided nu-marines, that's my question. If so, how will they fit into the fluff.

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:
I don't remember what i voted for, but the more I think about it, the more I really dislike the fluff. In particular, I dislike the fluff as justification for the models.

So what are AA now? Chumps? No longer the Angels of Death, but the Angels of Beat-You-Up?

Sure, there are now true scale marines, but they should be AA. I'd rather GW just made the new models AA and were just honest and said "yeah, we're making new models to finally fit their correct size according to the fluff". But they had to twist the fluff and find some reason to sell more minis (as if these wouldn't sell like hotcakes anyway).

Anyway, just really not digging what the game/40k U may look like in 2-4 years. AA become obsolete (both fluff-wise and in-game), possible jarring visuals on the game board, SM players playing Proxyhammer, etc.

The only thing I think that could make me happy is if after a year or 2, GW just figures out some way to write the Primarines to inherit the Adeptus Astartes moniker.

Anyway, end of my I swear there's no

They've always been chumps tbh.

 Novelist47 wrote:
I really wanna know how gw will make this fit in with csm. They said in the FAQ that csm will get goodies their way, but so far we've only seen nurgle-esque stuff.

Will there be chaos undivided nu-marines, that's my question. If so, how will they fit into the fluff.

coming next month, BileMarines?

seriously, do not expect to be given chaos Primaris Marines, instead expect "chaos marines pumped up on Chaos Juice"