Try Something Different: Licensed Products at Warhammer Fest
While they’re certainly the focus of Warhammer Fest, miniatures – and the rules and background for them – aren’t the only products you can explore at Warhammer Fest this year.
You’ll also find a whole world of other products featuring Games Workshop’s brands including Warhammer 40,000, Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Blood Bowl. A fantastic array of these Licensed Products will be found in the main Jaguar Hall this year.
No matter your preference, there’s sure to be something to interest you in the Licensing pavilion.
– Try out over a dozen new and unreleased video games on PC, console and mobile platforms, including the new Dawn of War III PC game.
– Step right into the Old World with Vermintide VR, and see if you measure up to join Saltspire and his team.
– Meet the artists behind Titan Comics’ Warhammer 40,000 and Blood Bowl Comics.
– See the prototype for a two foot tall Deathwing statue.
– Discover the future of Games Workshop related table-top roleplay games.
– Find out more about Dawn of War III & Total War: Warhammer in the “Bringing the Lore to Life” in-depth seminars.
It’s not long now until May 27th and 28th, so make sure you’ve got your tickets, and we’ll see you there.
We need coverage of warhammer fest on multiple fronts!
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Confirmed new edition of WHFBRP. WIll be showcased at warhammer fest.
A new edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay will be launched by Cubicle 7 Entertainment later this year. The new edition will return players to Warhammer's grim world of perilous adventure, and takes its direction from the first and second editions of the game.
Cubicle 7 CEO Dominic McDowall said, "Like so many gamers I grew up on Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. It's an iconic setting and I'm thrilled to be working on this new edition of the game. Our team have a huge breadth of experience with Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and I’m excited to be able to bring the Cubicle 7 approach to the Old World. We’ll be revealing more of our plans in the coming months, so subscribe to our newsletter and keep an eye on our website!”
About Cubicle 7
Cubicle 7 is a celebrated UK-based creator and publisher of games, specialising in developing games that bring the feel of fan-favourite properties to your tabletop with high quality design and components. www.cubicle7.co.uk About Games Workshop
Games Workshop® Group PLC (LSE:GAW.L), based in Nottingham, UK, produces the best fantasy miniatures in the world. Games Workshop designs, manufactures, retails, and distributes its range of Warhammer®: Age of Sigmar® and Warhammer® 40,000® games, miniature soldiers, novels and model kits through more than 460 of its own stores (branded Games Workshop® or Warhammer®), the www.games-workshop.com web store and independent retail channels in more than 50 countries worldwide. More information about Games Workshop and its other, related, brands and product ranges (including our publishing division Black Library™ and our special resin miniatures studio Forge World™) can be found at www.games-workshop.com.
It's mostly to make a distinction with the computer. Which makes me think. IF they feel like making that distinction, does it mean that one of the new games is going to be an RPG? I'd be very onboard with it.
Remember that Dark Heresy started out as a GW release. It wasn't until after the initial batch of products were out that everything got reissued with the FFG logo.
I'd heard that Cubicle 9 had picked up the rights for the Warhammer Fantasy RPG, would be nice if they were also doing a 40kRPG. Their "The One Ring" RPG is one of the nicest sets of books I own.
Ugh if there is a HHrpg before a generic play anything you want 40krpg I will gak post for days man. People will be annoyed.
I want something new. Playing 18 different flavors of marines is not what I would say is new or interesting. I have Deathwatch and it is one of the greatest rpg's of all time. That and only war is really good.
Zethnar wrote: I'd heard that Cubicle 9 had picked up the rights for the Warhammer Fantasy RPG, would be nice if they were also doing a 40kRPG. Their "The One Ring" RPG is one of the nicest sets of books I own.
If memory serves right I think that was misinformation spread up by Zweihandler, whom were the main distributors of this info. I'm not sure why though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've said in the past, I'd be happy if GW's plans for the RPGs at this time was just reprints. Keeps the game alive and out there.
As someone probably best placed to have an inkling, did the terms of FFG's license allow that?
If my knowledge isn't off, I think it's common that anything created under license ultimately belongs, IP wise, to whomever issued the license, rather than the licensee?
Zethnar wrote: I'd heard that Cubicle 9 had picked up the rights for the Warhammer Fantasy RPG, would be nice if they were also doing a 40kRPG. Their "The One Ring" RPG is one of the nicest sets of books I own.
It's Cubicle 7, but yeah this was on EN World awhile ago:
Zethnar wrote: I'd heard that Cubicle 9 had picked up the rights for the Warhammer Fantasy RPG, would be nice if they were also doing a 40kRPG. Their "The One Ring" RPG is one of the nicest sets of books I own.
It's Cubicle 7, but yeah this was on EN World awhile ago:
I was just talking to my RPG group about how the hype train for a new 40K has made me wish they'd give us a new RPG with a system that didn't eventually start feeling like a punishment to play. I'll be keeping an interested ear out on this.
Just fantasy from the look of it, folk on the cubicle 7 form reported the publisher on the WFRP stuff on drive through RPG changed from FFG to cubicle 7(only 2nd ed stuff?),
but none of the 40KRPG stuff changed so they probably don't have that licence
H.B.M.C. wrote: I've said in the past, I'd be happy if GW's plans for the RPGs at this time was just reprints. Keeps the game alive and out there.
As someone probably best placed to have an inkling, did the terms of FFG's license allow that?
If my knowledge isn't off, I think it's common that anything created under license ultimately belongs, IP wise, to whomever issued the license, rather than the licensee?
Not exactly. It depends on what the contract says. A smart IP owner will make sure that this sort of thing is explicitly hammered out in the contract, with as little room for loopholes as possible. Otherwise, you could accidentally end up with a situation like Angela in the comic book Spawn.
Most likely FFG owns the actual work they created, and GW owns the WHF and 40K properties themselves. So GW can't just reprint the books FFG made, but neither can FFG because they don't have the rights to the trademarks or the integral material GW already has under copyright.
It will be interesting to see if they license it out again to a third party, and what form that takes. Another Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay would be nice, but will they instead try to come up with an RPG in the AoS setting - which would certainly help in understanding what the setting actually is.
Gamgee wrote: Ugh if there is a HHrpg before a generic play anything you want 40krpg I will gak post for days man. People will be annoyed.
If someone licences a product from GW and makes a game that you're personally not interested in you're going to gak up the thread to annoy other people here out of spite?
It will be nice to get some solid information on Warhammer and W40K licensing "from the horse's mouth."
As for system, I'd be surprised if Cubicle 7 didn't do their own system. T.S. Luikart is one of their designers, and he was involved in the old Black Industries days. I'm sure he has opinions on the subject.
Gamgee wrote: Ugh if there is a HHrpg before a generic play anything you want 40krpg I will gak post for days man. People will be annoyed.
I want something new. Playing 18 different flavors of marines is not what I would say is new or interesting. I have Deathwatch and it is one of the greatest rpg's of all time. That and only war is really good.
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DoW 3 lol. That game is so bland.
To be honest, an Horus Heresy RPG could be cool IF it's done like black crusade: meaning you get to combine both regular humans and astarttes, maybe even play as a xenos race extinct since millenia.
No, don't throw in fething aliens, that's not how it works.
One element from Black Crusade that would work well for a Horus Heresy RPG would be conflicting agendas, not knowing where the loyalties of others lie, or even being unsure where you are at yourself, be it Terra or Horus as your master. Ideally it would work best with people who know little to nothing of the heresy itself.
That said, a reboot of the 40KRPG is fine by me, it just depends on what they're tackling this time around. Maybe they'll skip the Inquisition and go straight for Space Marines this time around.
schoon wrote: It will be nice to get some solid information on Warhammer and W40K licensing "from the horse's mouth."
As for system, I'd be surprised if Cubicle 7 didn't do their own system. T.S. Luikart is one of their designers, and he was involved in the old Black Industries days. I'm sure he has opinions on the subject.
Personally I just buy RPG books for the background material, so they could copypasta GURPS for all I care, so long as it provides more proper WHF(ie, not AoS) fluff.
ProtoClone wrote: I am all for another 40kRPG.
I never played the FFG one so I don't know much about it.
Did FFG flesh out the world that exists outside of the endless war?
The games interlinked. If you wanted to play A, B, or C, they related. You never played the FFG one, so hold what you have, go to your local store and check a book out, then make an predetermined decision.
Oh, yes? I didn't know that! I'll see what offers the Rogue Trader RPG.
ORK's too. You can play any of them, as a matter of fact. That's what was great about the books, then the ongoing fluff... Each book added more to the game, and the evolution of it was amazing.
Zethnar wrote: I'd heard that Cubicle 9 had picked up the rights for the Warhammer Fantasy RPG, would be nice if they were also doing a 40kRPG. Their "The One Ring" RPG is one of the nicest sets of books I own.
It's Cubicle 7, but yeah this was on EN World awhile ago:
Official INFINITY Tabletop Roleplaying Game Coming!
Through the Breach is a tabletop roleplaying game set in the world of Malifaux.
Both of those RPGs, while they allow the use of miniatures and describe ways to do it and have some official miniatures, are designed as pen and paper experiences rather than miniatures experiences.
Did FFG flesh out the world that exists outside of the endless war?
Let's just say that a lot of Tau fans were very unhappy about some shades of grey that FFG added to that race, and leave it at that.
Most likely FFG owns the actual work they created, and GW owns the WHF and 40K properties themselves.
But how much of the game setting (i.e. the specific sector) did FFG create? Remember that GW first published the original Dark Heresy rulebook, not FFG. It was turned over to FFG shortly afterwards. Does anyone know who exactly came up with the background to the sector that made up the designated setting for Dark Heresy?
Oh, yes? I didn't know that! I'll see what offers the Rogue Trader RPG.
Yeap it's a digital supplement on how to play I suspect they were working on a full supplement book but it was right around the time they got Star Wars and started closing down support on the 40k line. Even had Riptide as an armor you can wear if your GM is awesome enough to somehow let an ordinary Firewarrior get a hold of one lol. Given the crafty nature of adventurer's and the fact that when I played a Rogue Trader game I had master crafted artificer blessed power armor the best in the game and am a Rogue Trader running around with better gear than the Inquisition you can probably do it.
Gamgee wrote: ... I suspect they were working on a full supplement book but it was right around the time they got Star Wars and started closing down support on the 40k line.
As far as I am aware it was a full supplement. It was the main rules section for The Twilight Crusade, in the same way that The Soul Reaver had a full second section for playing DW characters. This one just had the Tau section.
Gamgee wrote: Yeap it's a digital supplement on how to play I suspect they were working on a full supplement book but it was right around the time they got Star Wars and started closing down support on the 40k line.
They had both for a number of years. Their 40kRPGs were fully supported right up until around Imperial Assault and Armada were announced. They were definitely still working on 40kRPGs when X-Wing was blazing through the community.
Bob:i think Fp are going to stay and prosper in one form or another. especially with the dev of pen & paper rpg in aos setting ^^
Tomas Höll: Along with the new Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay edition?
Bob: yes.
Another comment.
Bob: will see what they announce at Warhammer fest
A new edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay will be launched by Cubicle 7 Entertainment later this year. The new edition will return players to Warhammer's grim world of perilous adventure, and takes its direction from the first and second editions of the game.
Cubicle 7 CEO Dominic McDowall said, "Like so many gamers I grew up on Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. It's an iconic setting and I'm thrilled to be working on this new edition of the game. Our team have a huge breadth of experience with Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and I’m excited to be able to bring the Cubicle 7 approach to the Old World. We’ll be revealing more of our plans in the coming months, so subscribe to our newsletter and keep an eye on our website!”
About Cubicle 7
Cubicle 7 is a celebrated UK-based creator and publisher of games, specialising in developing games that bring the feel of fan-favourite properties to your tabletop with high quality design and components. www.cubicle7.co.uk About Games Workshop
Games Workshop® Group PLC (LSE:GAW.L), based in Nottingham, UK, produces the best fantasy miniatures in the world. Games Workshop designs, manufactures, retails, and distributes its range of Warhammer®: Age of Sigmar® and Warhammer® 40,000® games, miniature soldiers, novels and model kits through more than 460 of its own stores (branded Games Workshop® or Warhammer®), the www.games-workshop.com web store and independent retail channels in more than 50 countries worldwide. More information about Games Workshop and its other, related, brands and product ranges (including our publishing division Black Library™ and our special resin miniatures studio Forge World™) can be found at www.games-workshop.com.
Albertorius wrote: ...I though that Cubicle 7 getting GW's rpg license was old news, by now? I mean, it was announced what, a couple months ago?
It really wasn't confirmed by Cubicle 7. Grim and Perilious talked about it but we had no real confirmation on the company's side.
In the C7 FB post, several people have asked if this would be Old World or AoS. C7 has been saying it will be Old World, but to stay tuned for at what point it in the Old World.
As I said last time this topic came up, I would have preferred AOSrpg. It's not that I don't like the Old World, but frankly, If I want to play in the Old World I already have all the setting material I'll ever need. Meanwhile AOS setting is new and unexplored, and I'd like to have RPG style detailed sourcebooks on it.
Lord Kragon pointed out the hint of AoS getting something too, my guess is GW will be making the rpg themselves. Maybe Hammerhal was just them flexing their muscles?
But yeah, the unexplored potential of AoS' setting for a rpg would be amazing to see realized.
but I will 100% be getting everything they make for this RPG,
Well, I mean, I will if their system is any good, of course!
It is only a matter of time before someone pumps out an AoSRPG, so in the meantime, us Old Worlders will enjoy this Old World setting!
Who is to say C7 won't do a AoS style campaign?
Players start off in the OW and play through into the AoS.
Then, C7 releases a supplement setting for AoS.
ProtoClone wrote: Players start off in the OW and play through into the AoS.
Dude, that is an awesome idea.
You have the OWRPG, an End Times expansion, and then an AoSRPG.
I'm not a big fan of AoS as I think GW sold their souls and sold out Warhammer's legacy so they could slap a ™ after everything, but even I'd be interested in that.
It is only a matter of time before someone pumps out an AoSRPG, so in the meantime, us Old Worlders will enjoy this Old World setting!
Who is to say C7 won't do a AoS style campaign?
Players start off in the OW and play through into the AoS.
Then, C7 releases a supplement setting for AoS.
"... and then after a ten thousand year long nap you awaken refreshed, but strangely, the world around you has changed. Oh, also, everything you ever knew and fought for is dead. Have fun!"
the Mortal Realms offer just as much scope for adventuring as the Warhammer World did, but I'm not sure I'd want to go from one to the other in a single campaign.
You can do the traditional gritty low fantasy "I've cast a spell and now I've grown a tentacle and gone mad" type of WFRP game if you like, or do some crazy realm-hopping thing with heroes sailing their skyship between floating mountains and lakes of fire, or anything in between.
It is only a matter of time before someone pumps out an AoSRPG, so in the meantime, us Old Worlders will enjoy this Old World setting!
Who is to say C7 won't do a AoS style campaign?
Players start off in the OW and play through into the AoS.
Then, C7 releases a supplement setting for AoS.
"... and then after a ten thousand year long nap you awaken refreshed, but strangely, the world around you has changed. Oh, also, everything you ever knew and fought for is dead. Have fun!"
Yeah, let's not.
TLoZ BotW warhammer version? I like it.
But you COULD tie them if people wanted to. As long as you can play a demigryph knight I'd be fine.
Indeed you could.(good comparison btw, Nintendo is thinking of rebooting from there with things like Majora's mask being just a dream)
Pre-End Times: Your party is adventuring and surviving in the hostile Old World with rumblings of ill omens on the horizon.
End Times: Survive the events that ended the world the best you can while having a chance to take part in the epic battles like the dwarf's last stand or king Gilles' charge.
Realm of chaos: the world is engulfed in the realm of chaos and the dark gods walk the earth. Make a last stand and hope your soul survives? Rally to one of the incarnates and find a way out? Bring about your own plans of using powerful magic to escape chaos or embrace it?
Age of Myth: Be it through luck, cunning or mercy from the gods you find yourself out of hell and in the untamed mortal realms where Sigmar's pantheon seeks to bring order, the God-beasts show hostility to the intruders and empires and kingdoms are being created and expanding while chaos tries to find purchase at the edges of the realms.
Unless the characters get longevity the age of chaos and Sigmar would have to use their descendants to continue due to the age gap.
Olsch wrote: Fantastic news. I'm really excited for the new edition. So I guess this is not going to be an Age of Sigmar RPG but an old world setting right?
Indeed. This one will be WHRP. Now, when asked about warhammer 40k and AoS they said "no comment" rather than outright "no", so mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe they are doing all of the settings.
I have no objections to an Age of Sigmar RPG or source books for the real Warhammer world RPG allowing players to expand to Age of Sigmar. I've yet to meet someone in real life though who is excited by Age of Sigmar background, though. Seems to me like you would just pick your favorite setting and play in it instead of trying a crossover, but I guess there are people who like that kind of thing.
Baron Klatz wrote: Realm of chaos: the world is engulfed in the realm of chaos and the dark gods walk the earth. Make a last stand and hope your soul survives? Rally to one of the incarnates and find a way out? Bring about your own plans of using powerful magic to escape chaos or embrace it?
Is this what happened canonically and why a whole lot of stuff survived the end of the world than you would commonly consider plausible?
I haven't read any Age of Sigmar background since the beginning when all there was was Sigmar flying through space and humping random dragons he happened across.
I have no objections to an Age of Sigmar RPG or source books for the real Warhammer world RPG allowing players to expand to Age of Sigmar. I've yet to meet someone in real life though who is excited by Age of Sigmar background, though. Seems to me like you would just pick your favorite setting and play in it instead of trying a crossover, but I guess there are people who like that kind of thing.
Baron Klatz wrote: Realm of chaos: the world is engulfed in the realm of chaos and the dark gods walk the earth. Make a last stand and hope your soul survives? Rally to one of the incarnates and find a way out? Bring about your own plans of using powerful magic to escape chaos or embrace it?
Is this what happened canonically and why a whole lot of stuff survived the end of the world than you would commonly consider plausible?
I haven't read any Age of Sigmar background since the beginning when all there was was Sigmar flying through space and humping random dragons he happened across.
You know, considering how aloof you're trying to sound with all your blabber of the "real" warhammer (and I've seen you at War-of-sigmar so it really isn't a one-off), I'd suggest you went and actually bothered to read things rather than make such assumptions or even actually check out locally if there's people liking it.
Ya, Geifer you may not mean to, but you sound absolutely insufferable.
There is a lot of greatness in the AoS background. Is it all good? Of course not. You will like some bits more than others.
But WHF background was the same. Some bits were good. Some were freakin terrible.
Ultimately, AoS leaves room for plenty of WHF settings in its own setting, while also allowing Archaon to sword fight God-dragons.
Neronoxx wrote: Ya, Geifer you may not mean to, but you sound absolutely insufferable.
There is a lot of greatness in the AoS background. Is it all good? Of course not. You will like some bits more than others.
But WHF background was the same. Some bits were good. Some were freakin terrible.
Ultimately, AoS leaves room for plenty of WHF settings in its own setting, while also allowing Archaon to sword fight God-dragons.
BrookM wrote: All we need now is a reboot for the 40KRPG's.
I'd like that too - only this time with a game system that is the same for all of the various factions and what not...
The core was more or less the same though, it was just improved upon over time I suppose, depending on who was heading the project at the time? Though the cross compatibility was a pain in the ass to work with.
So, I'm all for a reboot, I got the books I want from the previous series anyway, so for me personally there's no need to keep reprinting those, especially not when a new edition and a new outlook on the setting can allow for new venues to be discovered.
Is this what happened canonically and why a whole lot of stuff survived the end of the world than you would commonly consider plausible?
Indeed. Archaon opened three warp gates that drew the Old World into the realm of chaos and when it left the core was all that remained.
I personally wonder if this is why the core produces more materials when Sigmar's followers win victories and when there's wierd time flows in Azyrheim. Did it take properties from being exposed to the realm of chaos?
when all there was was Sigmar flying through space and humping random dragons he happened across.
Might want to lay off the fanfics there, it's a bad sign when they seep into your memories like that.
I have no objections to an Age of Sigmar RPG or source books for the real Warhammer world RPG allowing players to expand to Age of Sigmar. I've yet to meet someone in real life though who is excited by Age of Sigmar background, though. Seems to me like you would just pick your favorite setting and play in it instead of trying a crossover, but I guess there are people who like that kind of thing.
Baron Klatz wrote: Realm of chaos: the world is engulfed in the realm of chaos and the dark gods walk the earth. Make a last stand and hope your soul survives? Rally to one of the incarnates and find a way out? Bring about your own plans of using powerful magic to escape chaos or embrace it?
Is this what happened canonically and why a whole lot of stuff survived the end of the world than you would commonly consider plausible?
I haven't read any Age of Sigmar background since the beginning when all there was was Sigmar flying through space and humping random dragons he happened across.
You know, considering how aloof you're trying to sound with all your blabber of the "real" warhammer (and I've seen you at War-of-sigmar so it really isn't a one-off), I'd suggest you went and actually bothered to read things rather than make such assumptions or even actually check out locally if there's people liking it.
It isn't a one-off alright. My opinion on Age of Sigmar does not change depending on where I post, nor do I make a secret of it. I have nothing good to say about the background of Age of Sigmar. I gave it a chance and read the first two or three campaign books. The fact that I say two or three should already tell you something, but I'll state it explicitly. Stylistically, the writing was dreadful and the narrative was simplistic, repetitive and entirely foreseeable. By the time I was done I was sure I read the same thing five or six times. I would add that it had all the worst parts of super hero comic books, but that is very much a question of taste. As you may have guessed, it is not to my taste.
Two or three books not enough for an opinion? 40k, of which I read more, is plagued by much the same problems these days. The first two End Times books, which had the benefit of a setting I am familiar with and that I like, were not works of art to begin with and quickly went downhill. I have no expectation that more recent background books for Age of Sigmar will improve my opinion as long as the same crew is at work writing and approving of new background material. All I have to go on is assurances by fans of Age of Sigmar that the background is getting more awesome with every release, and you'll have to excuse me if I don't put much stock in that.
As for checking locally for people who like Age of Sigmar, it may surprise you to hear this, but I've been one of only two people at my local store that prior to the General's Handbook tried to ease people into the thought that Age of Sigmar was off to a bad start but we should give GW a little time to fix it, that in time a decent game could come of this mess. Yes, I've been campaigning for people to not give up Age of Sigmar for dead, being among the most positive people around here in my area.
I don't tell people to join me in my views, but I'm not going to censor my opinion in an attempt to advertise for Age of Sigmar. Everyone can determine for themselves whether they like the background or not.
My intention wasn't even to trash talk Age of Sigmar. Yes, I consider old Warhammer real Warhammer. Big shocker I should be happy to read that they make a new game using the old background. Big shocker I should express my happiness in accordance with my opinion on the two background options we have. My point in this thread was to speak against a crossover campaign.GW themselves were careful enough, from all I've read, to let the World That Was remain shrouded in mystery in current Age of Sigmar. I'd argue that the old background is better off ending before End Times while the world is intact and ready for adventuring without any dread occurrences that herald the end of the world. People who want anything in between have the End Times background and, as I said before, if there is a source book for Age of Sigmar, they'll have something for a transition to the Mortal Realms and roleplay in it as well and can make their own crossover campaign if they like.
I see no benefit in creating something that will just annoy fans of the old setting, nor do i see a problem with providing fans of the new setting with a proper ruleset.
Is this what happened canonically and why a whole lot of stuff survived the end of the world than you would commonly consider plausible?
Indeed. Archaon opened three warp gates that drew the Old World into the realm of chaos and when it left the core was all that remained.
I personally wonder if this is why the core produces more materials when Sigmar's followers win victories and when there's wierd time flows in Azyrheim. Did it take properties from being exposed to the realm of chaos?
Thanks for the info. I would have preferred a more complete history of the time between the End Times and the Age of Chaos. The new world shrouded in mystery GW went with is all well and good, but if you sit with your friends and no one knows why their army with their leaders/incarnates/gods is still around dressing in the exact same style as before, it gets... funny.
Obviously GW wished to keep the old models around, and it was a good decision given the circumstances, but I've heard too much "why are these guys still" around when the background was all about big buff golden dudes with hammers punching big buff red dudes with axes to think I was the only one that wondered what was even going on. Too much empty in those endless realms with those endless possibilities. I would have wished for a more comprehensive introduction of the new setting.
Albertorius wrote: ...I though that Cubicle 7 getting GW's rpg license was old news, by now? I mean, it was announced what, a couple months ago?
It really wasn't confirmed by Cubicle 7. Grim and Perilious talked about it but we had no real confirmation on the company's side.
In the C7 FB post, several people have asked if this would be Old World or AoS. C7 has been saying it will be Old World, but to stay tuned for at what point it in the Old World.
Oooh, maybe they've walked it back a bit to the Time of Three Emperors, around the Mordheim sort of era? That would be a super rich setting for an RPG and defining the various factions and major characters in that time period would give them a lot more creative freedom for new background material than rehashing the Karl Franz era Empire for the fourth time.
ProtoClone wrote: Players start off in the OW and play through into the AoS.
Dude, that is an awesome idea.
You have the OWRPG, an End Times expansion, and then an AoSRPG.
I'm not a big fan of AoS as I think GW sold their souls and sold out Warhammer's legacy so they could slap a ™ after everything, but even I'd be interested in that.
Eh, tbh I'd prefer they keep things nice and distinct and left the End Times out of it entirely. I don't want to start up an Old World campaign and have to deal with the inevitable That Guy pestering me to advance the timeline of the story so they can play their preferred AoS era character. Plus how would that work? None of the plebs who'd be making up an Old World adventuring party would survive through to AoS even if the End Times hadn't happened purely on the basis they wouldn't live long enough, and you couldn't even add in some dynastic mechanic to have AoS descendants of OW characters, since barring a tiny handful of deities the whole OW population dies off probably thousands of years before AoS even begins.
Nah, better to give us a rich OWRPG and then give AoS fans an RPG of their own so that both can be given the depth and tonal focus they require rather than trying to hack together some system for artificially linking the two.
Albertorius wrote: ...I though that Cubicle 7 getting GW's rpg license was old news, by now? I mean, it was announced what, a couple months ago?
It really wasn't confirmed by Cubicle 7. Grim and Perilious talked about it but we had no real confirmation on the company's side.
In the C7 FB post, several people have asked if this would be Old World or AoS. C7 has been saying it will be Old World, but to stay tuned for at what point it in the Old World.
Oooh, maybe they've walked it back a bit to the Time of Three Emperors, around the Mordheim sort of era? That would be a super rich setting for an RPG and defining the various factions and major characters in that time period would give them a lot more creative freedom for new background material than rehashing the Karl Franz era Empire for the fourth time.
ProtoClone wrote: Players start off in the OW and play through into the AoS.
Dude, that is an awesome idea.
You have the OWRPG, an End Times expansion, and then an AoSRPG.
I'm not a big fan of AoS as I think GW sold their souls and sold out Warhammer's legacy so they could slap a ™ after everything, but even I'd be interested in that.
Eh, tbh I'd prefer they keep things nice and distinct and left the End Times out of it entirely. I don't want to start up an Old World campaign and have to deal with the inevitable That Guy pestering me to advance the timeline of the story so they can play their preferred AoS era character. Plus how would that work? None of the plebs who'd be making up an Old World adventuring party would survive through to AoS even if the End Times hadn't happened purely on the basis they wouldn't live long enough, and you couldn't even add in some dynastic mechanic to have AoS descendants of OW characters, since barring a tiny handful of deities the whole OW population dies off probably thousands of years before AoS even begins.
Nah, better to give us a rich OWRPG and then give AoS fans an RPG of their own so that both can be given the depth and tonal focus they require rather than trying to hack together some system for artificially linking the two.
I really think they should do a whole other setting for AoS as well.
But a big tie-in for the release of the books would be money for C7. AoS would be its own setting in much the same way Forgotten Realms is its own setting in D&D. Like Forgotten Realms, make AoS reliant on the WHFRPG core book/s.
This way if you want to play AoSRPG, you at least need the core book/s and if you want OWRPG, you don't even have to touch the AoSRPG.
Lord Kragan wrote: It would be interesting. Specially for human mages, if you know what I mean.
Haha, yeah. That's one reason why I loved "Runefang" so much. Getting your hands on a mage was a risky move as they were untrained and mad from corruption but witch-burning seasons would see them killed off before you had a chance to use them.
RP-ing as one would be fun for those reasons as well.
"Quick mage, cast a fireball!"
"The mudfish fly over the sun to meet dark mountains beneath the sea!"
"...we don't save him from the mobs after this quest is over."
Albertorius wrote: ...I though that Cubicle 7 getting GW's rpg license was old news, by now? I mean, it was announced what, a couple months ago?
It really wasn't confirmed by Cubicle 7. Grim and Perilious talked about it but we had no real confirmation on the company's side.
In the C7 FB post, several people have asked if this would be Old World or AoS. C7 has been saying it will be Old World, but to stay tuned for at what point it in the Old World.
Oooh, maybe they've walked it back a bit to the Time of Three Emperors, around the Mordheim sort of era? That would be a super rich setting for an RPG and defining the various factions and major characters in that time period would give them a lot more creative freedom for new background material than rehashing the Karl Franz era Empire for the fourth time.
ProtoClone wrote: Players start off in the OW and play through into the AoS.
Dude, that is an awesome idea.
You have the OWRPG, an End Times expansion, and then an AoSRPG.
I'm not a big fan of AoS as I think GW sold their souls and sold out Warhammer's legacy so they could slap a ™ after everything, but even I'd be interested in that.
Eh, tbh I'd prefer they keep things nice and distinct and left the End Times out of it entirely. I don't want to start up an Old World campaign and have to deal with the inevitable That Guy pestering me to advance the timeline of the story so they can play their preferred AoS era character. Plus how would that work? None of the plebs who'd be making up an Old World adventuring party would survive through to AoS even if the End Times hadn't happened purely on the basis they wouldn't live long enough, and you couldn't even add in some dynastic mechanic to have AoS descendants of OW characters, since barring a tiny handful of deities the whole OW population dies off probably thousands of years before AoS even begins.
Nah, better to give us a rich OWRPG and then give AoS fans an RPG of their own so that both can be given the depth and tonal focus they require rather than trying to hack together some system for artificially linking the two.
I really think they should do a whole other setting for AoS as well.
But a big tie-in for the release of the books would be money for C7. AoS would be its own setting in much the same way Forgotten Realms is its own setting in D&D. Like Forgotten Realms, make AoS reliant on the WHFRPG core book/s.
This way if you want to play AoSRPG, you at least need the core book/s and if you want OWRPG, you don't even have to touch the AoSRPG.
Oh I don't mind if they share the same game engine, if C7 are doing both it only makes sense to start from the same basis. I'd just rather not have an explicit "these are all the same setting just different eras of it and here's how you play through them all beginning to end" thing going on - in background terms AoS and WHF share almost nothing in terms of theme and tone. Functionally, they're distinct IPs, so I'd personally prefer they were treated as such and any "crossover" stuff was left to individual GM's to come up with if they want it.
This is good news. C7 is a great company for RPGs.
I own the 5th Edition LOTR books to date and are some of the nicest in terms of layout, art, etc. Very high quality. Good to see this system in their hands.
Well, we have the official announcement now - and they say the new edition will draw on 1st and 2nd editions of the game (which could really mean almost anything).
schoon wrote: Well, we have the official announcement now - and they say the new edition will draw on 1st and 2nd editions of the game (which could really mean almost anything).
We might know as soon as GenCon...
Actually, we may know something quite substancial this Warhammer Fest. They've been mentioning the 27 of may for a bit now and several times.
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More details emerge from Cubicle 7 at Gen Con 50! From Gears at RPG.net:
No details regarding release date. However, Cubicle 7 has advertised 2017.
Cubicle 7 (C7) has told fans that WFRP 4e will be released normally, meaning it won’t have a Kickstarter to raise funds.
WHFRP4 will be a bit different from first and second edition, but “if you stood on their shoulders, you could clearly see 4 from there”. It will not borrow anything from third edition, and is clearly looking to be the latest evolution of the classic D100 percentile system.
Default setting of WFRP 4th edition is The Enemy Within era of the Empire. By dialing the timeline back, they’ll let everyone enjoy the classic ‘Old World Feel’ and decide for themselves how far they wish to go into the Storm of Chaos/End Times material.
WFRP 4e is meant to be the “Look, a Bloodthirster! Run!” game, while Age of Sigmar is meant to be the “Look, a Bloodthirster! Charge!” game. Different power levels, different gonzo levels. C7 said that while they and other writers on WFRP4 are big fans of the classic Old World, they’re actually really looking forward to Age of Sigmar as a chance to do something that feels very different within the Warhammer mythos. C7 said they have hopes to develop Age of Sigmar’s setting into something very special, and those who were originally turned off by Age of Sigmar should give the RPG take on it a second look.
C7 said the current regime at GW is very enthusiastic about RPGs and is a dream to work with. C7 has already been offered free ad space in White Dwarf as a way of supporting the rpg-end of the Warhammer hobby.
Default setting of WFRP 4th edition is The Enemy Within era of the Empire. By dialing the timeline back, they’ll let everyone enjoy the classic ‘Old World Feel’...
YES!
...and decide for themselves how far they wish to go into the Storm of Chaos/End Times material.
YES! (And that will probably be "not very far at all" for me! )
WFRP 4e is meant to be the “Look, a Bloodthirster! Run!” game, while Age of Sigmar is meant to be the “Look, a Bloodthirster! Charge!” game.
Good to hear!
It actually has me slightly interested in checking out the AoSRPG too.
C7 said they have hopes to develop Age of Sigmar’s setting into something very special, and those who were originally turned off by Age of Sigmar should give the RPG take on it a second look.
"The Enemy Within" era? That's pretty much the old, standard WFRP 1e setting, right? Karl Franz, chaos cults, snippy Elector Counts but no outright civil war, etc.?
I did like the suggestion above about setting the game in the Three Emperors period. (Man, Mordheim, Vlad von Carstien active, outright civil war between Empire sub-factions...) But the Enemy Within era is still a much better setting that the post-Storm of Chaos setting of 2e, seeing as the wargame walked back from that one fairly shortly after the RPG got going with it.
The End Times might be good for one-off campaigns, but I don't think it'd be a good default setting for an entire edition. Maybe it'd be good for a sourcebook or something later on.
Generally, I like it. I'm interested in seeing how 4e turns out. I might even look at the Age of Sigmar game as suggested, if it's designed to be the high-action, high-fantasy variant of WFRP. Maybe.
Redditor Paidin_Brewer reported new insights about Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th edition by Cubicle 7.
What follows are the details the redditor learned, and our feedback bolded in red:
In hopes of breaking loose some more information on the upcoming 4th edition of Warhammer Fantasy, I stopped by the Cubicle 7 booth at Pax Unplugged. The employee I spoke to was very excited about the upcoming 4e as a player, but wasn’t on that specific marketing team. He mostly stuck to the talking points others have reported here, but he was helpful in clarifying a few questions I had. I wasn’t recording the discussion, so you’re stuck with my memories unfortunately. Hopefully these tid-bits will help you all too:
Q: We’ve heard this game will be out by the end of the year, is it still on track for a release around Christmas?
A: He has seen the cover art and it’s great, but it is very unlikely to be out by the end of the calendar year. What they meant was that it will be out before the end of the Fiscal Year, or sometime in the early Summer of 2018
This is a change from what Cubicle 7 previously announced, which was to be launched ‘later this year’ back in May 2017.
Q: Will the career system still be the primary form of advancement?
A: He couldn’t confirm how the character would advance, but the system will draw heavily on 1e and 2e. Some of the refinements from 3e will be present if you know where to look for them, but by and large it’ll be dice based like the older versions.
A lot of questions regarding this one. Do they mean the ‘keyword’ Career pathing? Or, do they mean unique Talents by Career? If either of these are true, Zweihänder is already ahead of this curve with open-ended Profession pathing and ‘one unique thing’ every Profession gets.
Q: There is a ton of great Warhammer material published in 1e / 2e, will you be re-issuing campaigns with updated rulesets?
A: Very, very unlikely. Little to no money to be made selling products already widely available. Fans are encouraged to update the existing campaigns on their own. Some conversation guidance may be offered in the future.
We’re previously heard that Cubicle 7 wishes to revisit The Enemy Within. It appears that this may no longer be the case.
Q: We’ll be returning to the old world, right? None of this Age of Sigmar Silliness?
A: Both systems will be offered with different focuses, the Fantasy version will support a roleplaying focus and the Age of Signmar system will be different (but similar) so that it can support a combat focus.
We like this approach, well done Cubicle 7!
Q: Will they be supporting on-line game systems (e.g. Roll20) with campaigns or other ready-to-play materials for gamemasters?
A: If Warhammer fantasy was a niche market, then game masters of the same was an even smaller market. Pile on those who play on-line and you’re potential market was too small to provide ready-made products for as the development would be cost prohibitive for their mid-sized company. He acknowledged that he is an in-person, no-battle map purist however — so he was pretty perplexed why I was even asking this question until I explained that my players lived in 4 different states and could only play on-line.
Fans have reasonable expectations for modern RPGs to have online components that live ‘beyond the book’ in the digital space. Given that Zweihänder Grim & Perilous RPG is released under Creative Commons Licensing, already has a super functional Roll20 character sheet component (which is regularly updated), and plans for a searchable SRD, wiki-style version of the entire book (as originally announced here).
All in all, it’s good that Warhammer Fantasy Fans expectations are being set. Although we’re eager to get our hands on Cubicle 7’s take on the Old World, it’s a bit disheartening that they won’t be able to make their promised 2017 delivery date. One thing is for sure: the book they produce will have fantastic production values. Let’s all just hope they took some cues from Zweihänder (where we hand-delivered them a copy at Gen Con).
Hungry for a spiritual successor to Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay in the meanwhile? You can grab the PDF for $13, or a print on demand at the new reduced rate of $55.
As someone who doesn't much like the background for Age of Sigmar (or at least what I've heard about it)... I'm really pleased they're doing an AoSRPG.
I've often wondered why it is that Warhammer (and 40K) have such strong, evocative settings for wargames, and why the fluff for other (non-GW) games often seems bland and dull to me. Lately I've started to suspect that it's partly because Warhammer Fantasy had an RPG as well as a battle game in its early days. A wargame can get away with just describing how everyone fights, but an RPG has to fill the world with things that aren't just about fighting in order for it to feel real. Things like daily life in Middenheim and how the political system works and what it's like to be a rat-catcher. And this, in turn, strengthens any wargame based on the same background... because you now appreciate (rather than just being told) not just how everyone fights, but why.
Long story short, if AoS gets quality RPG treatment, it could turn into something truly great. (Dare I hope for Planescape levels of greatness?)
That's very true Zenithfleet, but from that remark there about the AoS system having a combat focus, I think hopes that the RPG version of the Realms will properly fill in "normal life" and provide a concept of the AoS reality that's a bit easier to get your head around(WHF - a planet, 40K - our galaxy, AoS - ?; if you can't map it, it's not adequately defined IMO) are best tempered. Sounds like they might be serving up more of a dungeon-diver affair than the worldbuilding focus of WHFRP.
Yodhrin wrote: That's very true Zenithfleet, but from that remark there about the AoS system having a combat focus, I think hopes that the RPG version of the Realms will properly fill in "normal life" and provide a concept of the AoS reality that's a bit easier to get your head around(WHF - a planet, 40K - our galaxy, AoS - ?; if you can't map it, it's not adequately defined IMO) are best tempered. Sounds like they might be serving up more of a dungeon-diver affair than the worldbuilding focus of WHFRP.
It doesn't say much really. For all we know, it can just mean that we won't get the chance that your party's maulnorished and rabid chihuahua will be its greatest weapon due to the choice available.
We’ve been hard at work on the new edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, and this week we’re going to be sharing the first big slices of news with you!
Release Date
There has been an amazing amount of excitement around Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Fourth Edition – we’re at the beginning of the journey but it’s already been a tremendous project thanks to the energy and enthusiasm of all the Warhammer fans we’ve been talking to since the project was announced. Thanks to you all for being awesome, and thanks for your patience waiting for news!
Design lead Dominic McDowall is on hand to tell us about the game’s development:
“The initial plan was to make some small updates to the awesome second edition, and that would mean we would be able to release the game in 2017. We’re all huge fans of the first and second editions of WFRP, and we wanted to take the game back to those roots.
“When I got into the guts of the game I started seeing more opportunities to add in some of the things we’ve learned over the years. This more creative direction meant a longer development phase. Games Workshop are extremely supportive of us taking the time we need to make WFRP Fourth Edition the very best game it can be, and so that’s what we did. I’m very excited about the way things have come together!
“The release date of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Fourth Edition will be set for mid-2018, with a specific date to be set in a few months. Thank you for your patience while we invest the time to make the best game we can.”
We have some exciting events planned around the release date, so stay tuned for the latest new on those!
Covers
The initial releases for WFRP Fourth Edition will be a core rulebook and a boxed starter set. We’ve commissioned Ralph Horsley to paint a pair of covers for these which we’re very excited to share today! As you can see our desperate band have been enjoying some good times in Ubersreik, (or at least some of them have) before a familiar scene unfolds!
We’ll have more to share tomorrow, including news of the return of a multi-part campaign favourite from first edition, so keep an eye on our website and social media!
Can't deny the surge of happiness the style of the artwork gives me.
Ehhh, haud on there - if the cover is depicting "familiar scenes in Ubersreik", does that mean they've abandoned their initial commitment to use the Enemy Within period?
I mean, the clue of when the game that hosts the aforementioned scenes is set is in the name: "Warhammer End Times: Vermintide".
Will not be happy if they try pushing ET rubbish, I want to return to the Warhammer World not read a slightly more detailed account of how it ends.
Well they did change things up from their initial announcements so iit's possible but it's probably just a ploy to use Vermintide 2 hype as well rather than full on use ET.
(Though a more detailed ending would mean getting to see King Gilles' epic last charge...)
Baron Klatz wrote: Well they did change things up from their initial announcements so iit's possible but it's probably just a ploy to use Vermintide 2 hype as well rather than full on use ET.
(Though a more detailed ending would mean getting to see King Gilles' epic last charge...)
It will not even slightly surprise you to hear I don't care a jot about anyone's epic last charges, or indeed finding out any more info about the End Times at all. The sole reason a new edition of WHFRP had any appeal was that it would let people go back and play, you know, the WHF setting, not act out GW's cynical cash-grab prior to them moving on to other things. So yeah, hopefully it is just a ploy to piggyback on Vermintide 2, because I'd actually be more interested in playing the AoSRPG than some End Times guff.
I think they are just referencing Vermintide. That doesn't mean that the game suddenly will be set in the End Times. I haven't heard anything about that (but I have to admit I have not followed the news that closely).
Oh I like Bretonnians and Vampires plenty, Brets were the first WHF army I ever "collected"(if you can call buying the units you though looked cool, slopping some paint on, and then being repeatedly ground into your mate's living room carpet by his Archaeon/Chaos Knight cheesebomb collecting ), I just prefer to ignore the End Times entirely.
TBH it's more the End Times I have a problem with than AoS - had they just "retired" WHF as a line and moved on to AoS while keeping the connection between them a bit nebulous, I'd probably have an army for it by now just to play with the inevitable couple of people who would have moved to the new system. I don't want to know about the epic final moments of WHF characters because I want to play in a setting where they're still alive and kicking each other.
Yesterday we talked about the planned release for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay Fourth Edition in mid-2018, and gave you the first look at the covers of the initial products. Today we’ve got some news about some old favourites.
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay First Edition
We’ve been working on bringing more of WFRP First Edition to PDF. We all love First Edition, and there’s just so much brilliant material that we want to make available in electronic format. The “colour plates” version of the WFRP 1st Edition core rulebook will go on sale this week!
Just like we did for the Hogshead Edition offered as part of the Humble Bundle, we’ve made a very crisp, clean, fully bookmarked PDF. It’s been a joy to revisit the game where our core team began their adventuring careers!
Fourth Edition design lead Dominic McDowall said, “WFRP First Edition was my first ever roleplaying game. Everyone working on the new edition has a deep well of affection for First Edition, and it’s great to be bringing it back!
“But we’re not stopping there. We’re creating some beautiful PDFs of the original WFRP super-campaign: the Enemy Within. Keep an eye on our newsletter, website and social media for more news!”
The Enemy Within – Director’s Cut
This brings us neatly round to yet another exciting piece of news. To celebrate the 30th Anniversary of The Enemy Within Campaign we’re going to be releasing an updated deluxe, “Directors Cut” edition of The Enemy Within Campaign for Fourth Edition!
The mighty Graeme Davis has joined the team to steer this ship (or should that be river barge?). The Enemy Within was one of the best-loved RPG campaigns ever made, and we want to give the shiny new anniversary edition it deserves!
We’ll have lots of news over the coming weeks and months, so make sure you subscribe to the newsletter and keep an eye on our website and social media!
I wonder where they'll start? Hammerhal is already a mini-rpg so would be easy but there's a great amount of options between the realms of life and fire with so much going on in the lore between them from expanding claims into the unknown to the rebuilding of lost kingdoms.
With Malign Portents they could go to the Death realm to and see the events of Nagash rebuilding his realm and pushing forward to retake his "properties".
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We’ve painstakingly scanned every page, and created a PDF that maintains the appearance of the original. This does make for a slightly larger file than we’d normally produce, but on this occasion, we think it’s worth it for all the great First Edition feel! The PDF is also extensively bookmarked for ease of reference.
We released a version earlier in the year via Humble Bundle that did not have the colour plates of the Games Workshop edition, but this new PDF does have all those glorious colour plates we know so well.
I like his description "the mother of all creation myths" since it's going past Tolkien and to the very source of fantasy.
I think your right on release estimate. I was hoping with Wfrp pushed back that AoS would get released sooner but oh well. Just means more quality they'll put in.
AoS was "created with a more narrative-driven focus from the beginning". Unlike Warhammer. ROFL.
I mean I get it, marketing 101, when you need to sell the new thing, tear down the old thing its replacing, but usually you try and keep your claims vaguely plausible.
EDIT: And before anyone blows a gasket, I am not claiming that AoS is a bad narrative game, or that you're wrong for liking it, or whatever. I just find the idea that AoS was designed with some heightened narrative focus compared to WHF, somehow ascendant above the normal mix of desire to craft an interesting setting/narrative and commercial & other motivations that are at play in the creation of a new fantasy IP, well, laughable. I mean I know people who really like AoS a lot who call it "Age of Trademarks"
Yodhrin wrote: AoS was "created with a more narrative-driven focus from the beginning". Unlike Warhammer. ROFL.
I mean I get it, marketing 101, when you need to sell the new thing, tear down the old thing its replacing, but usually you try and keep your claims vaguely plausible.
EDIT: And before anyone blows a gasket, I am not claiming that AoS is a bad narrative game, or that you're wrong for liking it, or whatever. I just find the idea that AoS was designed with some heightened narrative focus compared to WHF, somehow ascendant above the normal mix of desire to craft an interesting setting/narrative and commercial & other motivations that are at play in the creation of a new fantasy IP, well, laughable. I mean I know people who really like AoS a lot who call it "Age of Trademarks"
I know many people has forgotten that, but the sole reason of warhammer fantasy to exist was to create a world to sell all the historical miniatures citadel was doing. That why at the beginning, araby, norsca, etc... Had much more relevance and the world was so copypaste from our world.
I know that with the years it grow much bigger, and we all loved it for ir, but even wirh all the shabby bussines reasons behind AoS birth, it has a "stronger" narrative from the beggining. Because warhammer fantasy had none.
Indeed. It also catered to the DnD collections and used Lord of the Rings as a easy backdrop thus why the first editions had halflings, Men of the West, Men of the East, etc.
So, in other words, it created a world that was, at the time, not very fleshed out, in order to increase sales of existing model lines as well as to provide an excuse to create new model lines, and its background was fleshed out over time.
So, exactly the same as Age of Sigmar, except without the trademark paranoia.
The only difference between the two in this context is the method they've chosen to do the fleshing out - expanding and deepening a setting as opposed to producing an ongoing storyline. The idea that growing a "historical" setting is somehow lesser than picking an arbitrary point and commencing a neverending storyline from there is just daft.
I think that's the point, Yodhrin. People have been complaining about a lack of clarity in AoS' narrative, and they're pointing out it was the same with WHF. Given time, the Mortal Realms will but just as lore-rich.
It's impossible in practice to create a setting and have it fully fleshed out at the same time in a way that rivals the 20 years of development WHF had.
People making the claim that WHF was better than AOS for this reason often failed to realize this, along with the irony of WHF's start.
But I always just ignored them, as it wasn't worth listening to.
I'm very excited to have the first AoSRPG book. I only hope the quality is comparable to other industry standards, and that thetes lots of lore, with bestiarys that have models released by GW, and campaign packs, and....
Well, I think we'll get some goodstuff regardless.
Yodhrin wrote: So, in other words, it created a world that was, at the time, not very fleshed out, in order to increase sales of existing model lines as well as to provide an excuse to create new model lines, and its background was fleshed out over time.
So, exactly the same as Age of Sigmar, except without the trademark paranoia.
The only difference between the two in this context is the method they've chosen to do the fleshing out - expanding and deepening a setting as opposed to producing an ongoing storyline. The idea that growing a "historical" setting is somehow lesser than picking an arbitrary point and commencing a neverending storyline from there is just daft.
I know, weird, isn't it? It's super easy to be a scathing critic if you aren't old enough to recognise the irony in the fact that originally, the old game was exactly the same in lacking a strong background, and that yes, 20 or more years of fiction writing makes a helluva difference, lol.
Not that I don't realize that AoS has its myriad flaws, of course, but so did Rogue Trader and the beginning of 40k (anyone remember moving vehicles in pre-2nd edition, with differing turning radius arcs?)
My only worry is the implication that both setting will use different rules? That's a real pain in the butt. Though I am wondering what kind of a mind trip it'll be roleplaying in the AoS realms. I'm hoping it gives the chance that a lot of RPGs don't, which is to game in a setting's actual world-building era, rather than the usual, which is adventuring amongst all the crumbling remnants from that sort of era.
The Enemy Within Campaign Volume 1 - Shadows Over Bogenhäfen is out now in PDF for the very first time !
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/…/Warhammer-Fantasy-Roleplay-Fi… About the The Enemy Within Campaign Volume 1
“And at the appointed time we shall rise from our secret places and throw down the towns ans cities of the Empire. Our brethren shall pour forth from the forests to slay and burn. Chaos will cover the land and we, the chosen servants, shall be exalted in His eyes. Hail to Tzeench, Changer of the Ways – Njawrr’thakh ‘Lzimbarr Tzeentch!”
Excerpt from The Book of Transmutation
The Empire. Perhaps the greatest nation of the Old World, it has stood for two and a half millenia as a bulwark against the threat of Chaos. Down the ages – from the time of legen when Sigmar Heldenhammer ruled, to the peaceful days it now enjoys – the Empire has endured. Within its borders, the Emperor’s armies keep the peace. The Empire stands firm against the enemy without.
But what of The Enemy Within?
The Enemy Within: Shadows Over Bögenhafen is the first volume in an epic campaign for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. It is the definitive guide to the mighty Empire of the War hammer Old World, full of background information covering the history, geography, politics and religions of the Empire, as well as invaluable material on starting and running the campaign.
And you can begin straight away with an intriguing and chilling adventure which introduces the players to the Empire, sets them on a hunt to seek out and destroy the heart of a demonic conspiracy, and brings them face to face with the corruption threatening the very foundations of their world.
This PDF combines material originally published separately as The Enemy Within and Shadows Over Bögenhafen, revised into a clear, easy to use format, as published in print in 1995 by Hogshead Publishing. We’ve painstakingly scanned every page, and created a PDF that maintains the appearance of the original. This does make for a slightly larger file than we’d normally produce, but on this occasion, we think it’s worth it for all the great First Edition feel! The PDF is also extensively bookmarked for ease of reference.
We'll be bringing the entirety of The Enemy Within Campaign to PDF in the coming weeks.
Grab Part One, Shadows Over Bögenhafen at DrivethruRPG now!
“The time shall come when the enemies of Chaos shall relax their guard and pay no heed to the shadows at their backs. Then shall the Great Mutator cause the warped moon to awaken, and the beloved of Mórr shall spit upon the lands of The Empire. Where his spittle doth land, there shall the weak fear to tread, but the possessor of the spittle shall wield great power”
Extract from Omens and Prophecies of the Seer Unserfrau
The mighty river Reik: the longest waterway in the whole of the Old World, stretching almost a thousand miles from its source in the Black Mountains to the sea at Marienburg. The Reik and its tributaries are the arteries of The Empire, flowing through the dark forest to link its great cities.
As the river flows untroubled to the sea, strange things are moving on its forested banks; and somewhere along its upper reaches a great evil festers and grows. It has lain dormant for over a century, but now a prophecy is fulfilled and an unimaginable horror has awoken in the hear of Sigmar’s Realm. And the horror is spreading.
The rot must be cut out before it is too late – but first it must be found…
Death on the Reik can be played as a stand-alone adventure, or as a part of the Enemy Within campaign for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, continuing from Shadows over Bögenhafen.
A seemingly simple man-hunt turns out to be far more complex and dangerous, and adventurers will be pitted against mutants, Skaven, and desperate cultists before they discover the truth – and a climax which will plunge them into the midst of Chaos.
As well as an extended campaign adventure with 20 pages of maps and player handouts Death on the Reik features an appendix on the rivers of the Empire.
New rules for river navigation and trading are included, plus full details on the river boats of the Reik and the people who use them. There are extensive outlines of possible hazards, incidents and encounters, plus a fully developed, ready to play scenario, ‘The Maria Borger’.
This PDF reissues the Hogshead Publishing Edition of Death on the Reik book. We’ve painstakingly scanned every page, and created a PDF that maintains the appearance of the original. This does make for a slightly larger file than we’d normally produce, but on this occasion, we think it’s worth it for all the great First Edition feel! The PDF is also extensively bookmarked for ease of reference.
The launch date for Cubicle 7's WFRP 4E has been revealed -- the game is being released at the UK Games Expo in Birmingham, 1st-3rd June. Check out the video below at the 19-minute mark.
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