So I keep seeing the request for plastic SoB and I wanted to see how many people would actually buy them.

I'd start a new army the minute they dropped. hell if they annoucned em upcoming I'd buy some rhinos while waiting

I myself would buy them in a heartbeat provided geedub didn't charge for them what they do now.
I know several other sisters players in my area definitely would and another 4 people who say they're eager start collecting a sisters army but are waiting on plastic models.

That's a 800-1000$ day for me, easy.

Immediately. The DAY they announced this, I would immediately head to my FLGS and pre-order at least one of every box.

While I think it would be cool, I would not buy any of them. I have never had any interest in the SOB

You're missing an option maybe/ don't know. It would depend on when for me. i decide on my next project when my last one is finished.

Sisters of Battle are an army that everyone talks about liking, and plastic Sisters have obviously been a top wishlist item for some time.

Unfortunately, I think the actual demand for SoB might be somewhat exaggerated in the minds of many of us who frequent places like Dakka Dakka or other online communities. I saw a recent strawpoll that I think had around 2000 votes (I know, not exactly scientific) that had Sisters of Battle dead last in terms of popularity. That may be because their models are so old and expensive and it takes a certain amount of dedication to start an army of Sisters, but that, along with the fact that there is probably a good amount of back stock happening with the old metal models, does not bode well for the future of the faction.

I said no, only because I only have Death Guard (plus some Minotaurs space marines that I am currently converting over to Death Guard ).

There are plenty of other plastic ranges that I haven't purchased

Yes, but seeing as I am one of those few who has a good amount of metal SoB I'd not go all crazy buying them. I'd pick up new units or cheaper heavy/speacial weapons in a heartbeat though.

There's not many of us, but we're fairly vocal because our army has been neglected for quite some time.

I, for one, would have like to have an actual print codex [again], like every other army, instead of a White Dwarf article, E-book, then small section of a book dedicated to providing a small selection of "background" Imperial organizations. Look, the f****** STORMTROOPERS got their own book, hardcover and all, and they're a single d*** Elites choice for the Imperial Guard. If you can print a hardcover book for the Stormtroopers and their 4 different unit options, you can print a book for us, we have at least twice as many different units and ten times more fluff.

I actually really like the metal figures, though. They're just expensive. Of course, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to triple the size of my army for the same amount I've already spent.


I do wonder how many people would buy plastic Sisters, though. Those of us who currently play Sisters have a fair amount of things as is, and while we'd definitely buy more figures if they came out in plastic, there aren't that many of us and there's a point where you'd have more things than you know what to do with. So the question really is "how many new players would pick up the army?", and I don't think that number is actually all that high. GW probably is better served by making more Space Marines, or Tauroxes nobody asked for, or overpowered Tau battlesuits.

You're poll probably isn't accurate, though, since only people who really care will bother responding to it. IE: those of us who currently play Sisters, those who would play Sisters but balk at the $100/squad price, and those who hate our army and/or want to harass those of us who like it.

 Luciferian wrote:
Sisters of Battle are an army that everyone talks about liking, and plastic Sisters have obviously been a top wishlist item for some time.

Unfortunately, I think the actual demand for SoB might be somewhat exaggerated in the minds of many of us who frequent places like Dakka Dakka or other online communities. I saw a recent strawpoll that I think had around 2000 votes (I know, not exactly scientific) that had Sisters of Battle dead last in terms of popularity. That may be because their models are so old and expensive and it takes a certain amount of dedication to start an army of Sisters, but that, along with the fact that there is probably a good amount of back stock happening with the old metal models, does not bode well for the future of the faction.

That hasn't been a problem to Genestealer Cult. Is disingenuos to compare a faction so abandoned by the company to other armies. New armies sell well if they have good sculpts and are reasonable priced.
See Deathwatch, see Kharadron Overlords or Sylvaneth, Cult Mechanicus/Skitarii, etc...
Not every army has to sell like Space Marines to give profits to GW.

 Luciferian wrote:
Sisters of Battle are an army that everyone talks about liking, and plastic Sisters have obviously been a top wishlist item for some time.

Unfortunately, I think the actual demand for SoB might be somewhat exaggerated in the minds of many of us who frequent places like Dakka Dakka or other online communities. I saw a recent strawpoll that I think had around 2000 votes (I know, not exactly scientific) that had Sisters of Battle dead last in terms of popularity. That may be because their models are so old and expensive and it takes a certain amount of dedication to start an army of Sisters, but that, along with the fact that there is probably a good amount of back stock happening with the old metal models, does not bode well for the future of the faction.

Yeah, take every poll of 'favorite faction' before deathwatch overkill came out and see where genestealer cults came in and the number of people buying genestealer cult models at that time and then tell everyone that plays genestealers NOW that your data says that no one would buy that army.

Sisters of battle have so many things going against them(terrible support, 20 year old sculpts, terrible rules, limited diversity, obscenely expensive models, being stuck in stupid goddam pewter, arguably the worst representation of any faction fluff wise in terms of both quantity of background and constantly using them as less than cannon fodder, being an all female army in a hobby that is 97% male, etc) that the fact that they sell ANY models is truly nuts.

Not to mention the incredibly circumstantial evidence that the only 2 Sisters releases in 20yrs (canoness and Celestine) Both sold out in prerelease and that the resin canoness has sold out about every 3 days for months now.

Would they be the most popular army ever? No, absolutely not. Would they compete pretty well with DE, Harlies, GK, DW, Nids and all of the other niche armies that aren't tau, eldar, space marines, orks or chaos? Absolutely they could if they were given half decent plastics with goodish rules they could easily be a middle of the table army sales-wise.

I would be interested in them, the current SoB range is very outdated. And I don't think SoB need a massive range like some of the other armies. A main troop squad, dual kit elites, and a vehicle or two and 1-2 generic hq models would be good enough for me. And they would still be a great side force to include in other imperial armies.

I've never been particularly interested in them, but I would definitely buy them. They are something different and when you have been in the hobby as long as I have, different is intriguing. At this point, I just want at least a small army of every faction...I may have a problem.

The biggest issue in polls right now is that you can't judge how well something will sell unless they actually put out the models. Genestealers did really well with a sudden release of models. Polls never take into account all the people who might walk into the store and see them, people not playing the game currently that might start because they saw an army that's not just another sausage fest, or even people that just don't frequent the site.

I think sisters would do amazingly well. Just look at how well people keep claiming that celestine did.

The evidence shows that if a faction has good rules and models, people will buy them, even if there wasn't a pre-existing market (see: Genestealer Cults, regarded as a forgotten and irrelevant bit of 40K apocrypha till they got a good treatment with some actual effort put into it). And since recent GW shows an ability to comprehend the blindingly obvious, I'm hopeful something will come along. I'll be interested to see when / if there's a preview article for them.

 Elemental wrote:
The evidence shows that if a faction has good rules and models, people will buy them, even if there wasn't a pre-existing market (see: Genestealer Cults, regarded as a forgotten and irrelevant bit of 40K apocrypha till they got a good treatment with some actual effort put into it). And since recent GW shows an ability to comprehend the blindingly obvious, I'm hopeful something will come along. I'll be interested to see when / if there's a preview article for them.

I would be surprised at this point if they haven't started working on a at least a handful of sculpts for SoB. You could do literally the entire 'SoB' part of codex with 4 kits (repentia, pen engine, seraphim, literally everything else) a clampack and an plastic exorcist upgrade sprue.

ERJAK wrote:

 Elemental wrote:
The evidence shows that if a faction has good rules and models, people will buy them, even if there wasn't a pre-existing market (see: Genestealer Cults, regarded as a forgotten and irrelevant bit of 40K apocrypha till they got a good treatment with some actual effort put into it). And since recent GW shows an ability to comprehend the blindingly obvious, I'm hopeful something will come along. I'll be interested to see when / if there's a preview article for them.

I would be surprised at this point if they haven't started working on a at least a handful of sculpts for SoB. You could do literally the entire 'SoB' part of codex with 4 kits (repentia, pen engine, seraphim, literally everything else) a clampack and an plastic exorcist upgrade sprue.

If they released 4 heros to the Kharadron Overlords they can release more than one Clampack to the Sisters!

If only GW could go back to the generic heros of old with full customization like the Chapter Master, Empire General, Ork Warboss or Empire Wizards... I don't want monopose heroes with 0 customization

 TheLumberJack wrote:
While I think it would be cool, I would not buy any of them. I have never had any interest in the SOB

Same here. I like SM as enemies.

 Galas wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Elemental wrote:
The evidence shows that if a faction has good rules and models, people will buy them, even if there wasn't a pre-existing market (see: Genestealer Cults, regarded as a forgotten and irrelevant bit of 40K apocrypha till they got a good treatment with some actual effort put into it). And since recent GW shows an ability to comprehend the blindingly obvious, I'm hopeful something will come along. I'll be interested to see when / if there's a preview article for them.

I would be surprised at this point if they haven't started working on a at least a handful of sculpts for SoB. You could do literally the entire 'SoB' part of codex with 4 kits (repentia, pen engine, seraphim, literally everything else) a clampack and an plastic exorcist upgrade sprue.

If they released 4 heros to the Kharadron Overlords they can release more than one Clampack to the Sisters!

If only GW could go back to the generic heros of old with full customization like the Chapter Master, Empire General, Ork Warboss or Empire Wizards... I don't want monopose heroes with 0 customization

If ever they were going to make multiple hqs out of a single clampack again, it would be SoB. Saves on making molds.

Plastic models and decent rules. That is all we ask. SOB can sell well, the proof being the Canonness and Celestine models near sold out every other day.

It is one of those "Build it and they will come" sort of things.


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The real question that should be asked is wither people will buy SOB in larger number if plastic models became available.

That answer being most likely an astounding yes IMO.

I myself would not buy some as I have no interest in the army, but I do feel that they should produce plastic SoB for those that want them.

I appreciate that at the very least GW stopped pretending they didn't exist. They were even in one of the pics in the new tyranid article.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
There's not many of us, but we're fairly vocal because our army has been neglected for quite some time.

I, for one, would have like to have an actual print codex [again], like every other army, instead of a White Dwarf article, E-book, then small section of a book dedicated to providing a small selection of "background" Imperial organizations. Look, the f****** STORMTROOPERS got their own book, hardcover and all, and they're a single d*** Elites choice for the Imperial Guard. If you can print a hardcover book for the Stormtroopers and their 4 different unit options, you can print a book for us, we have at least twice as many different units and ten times more fluff.

I actually really like the metal figures, though. They're just expensive. Of course, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to triple the size of my army for the same amount I've already spent.


I do wonder how many people would buy plastic Sisters, though. Those of us who currently play Sisters have a fair amount of things as is, and while we'd definitely buy more figures if they came out in plastic, there aren't that many of us and there's a point where you'd have more things than you know what to do with. So the question really is "how many new players would pick up the army?", and I don't think that number is actually all that high. GW probably is better served by making more Space Marines, or Tauroxes nobody asked for, or overpowered Tau battlesuits.

You're poll probably isn't accurate, though, since only people who really care will bother responding to it. IE: those of us who currently play Sisters, those who would play Sisters but balk at the $100/squad price, and those who hate our army and/or want to harass those of us who like it.

100 USD for a squad makes you sound like you're super rich, hate yourself or both. May as well be forgeworld prices at that point.

Just be glad GW didn't squat your setting like WHF. They also squatted tomb kings and bretonnia (poor players). Bretonnia hadn't been updated in years. I played skaven and they weren't updated since 2008 or so and the game died in 2015 so about 7 years with an 8 page FAQ that didn't answer all problems. I don't quite know your pain army-wise but at least your setting remains intact enough that you can play another faction and not just be super pissed at what they did to your game making it super hard to play a game that you enjoyed. Seriously i can't even play WHFB in the local GW store. They actively won't allow it. Hell they actively treat that portion of the player base like ****. GW are ****s.

I don't play guard anymore but the tauroxes looked cool. I also would've wanted to make a stormtrooper army but there's only 2 or 3 units so it's not legit. I do dark eldar now and we kinda suck but at least the FAQ was under control and you could do ok if you didn't play one of the OP factions like tau, eldar or maybe marines with a formation.

While i do feel bad for you and other more normal Sisters players there's generally a bunch of Sisters players lately i have a hard time feeling bad for. There's a bunch of extreme people that like Sisters and more just the fact that they're all female rather than the whole theme of religious nuns.

 Elemental wrote:
The evidence shows that if a faction has good rules and models, people will buy them, even if there wasn't a pre-existing market (see: Genestealer Cults, regarded as a forgotten and irrelevant bit of 40K apocrypha till they got a good treatment with some actual effort put into it). And since recent GW shows an ability to comprehend the blindingly obvious, I'm hopeful something will come along. I'll be interested to see when / if there's a preview article for them.

Well they did have Celestine and her 2 lady bro bodyguards. The Guard simply got ignored during Gathering Storm while Cadia got blown to ****. Then Commoragh got completely overrun by daemons thanks to some ynnari ****head which may or may not end with a dark eldar army squatting. The dark eldar have some ground in commoragh but it's mostly ynnari or mandrakes with haemonculus covens i think. So basically my faction seems to be getting screwed hardcore. From the sounds of things during our gathering storm book we were mostly ignored too for some reason except our home getting invaded by daemons. Yeah i'm pretty sure we're about to get squatted. Bet the ynnari chick is just gonna murder Vect and that'll be all she wrote. We only had 2 characters this book and one was the super old 2nd edition incubi dude.

I will admit i was one that enjoyed Genestealers. If 8th is good i will do them next perhaps.

I probably wouldn't ever get an Apocalypse size force of them, but I'm certain that I would get enough for SW:A/Kill Team. Probably would get enough for a normal sized 40k army, but it would be a gradual process.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
There's not many of us, but we're fairly vocal because our army has been neglected for quite some time.

I, for one, would have like to have an actual print codex [again], like every other army, instead of a White Dwarf article, E-book, then small section of a book dedicated to providing a small selection of "background" Imperial organizations. Look, the f****** STORMTROOPERS got their own book, hardcover and all, and they're a single d*** Elites choice for the Imperial Guard. If you can print a hardcover book for the Stormtroopers and their 4 different unit options, you can print a book for us, we have at least twice as many different units and ten times more fluff.

I actually really like the metal figures, though. They're just expensive. Of course, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to triple the size of my army for the same amount I've already spent.


I do wonder how many people would buy plastic Sisters, though. Those of us who currently play Sisters have a fair amount of things as is, and while we'd definitely buy more figures if they came out in plastic, there aren't that many of us and there's a point where you'd have more things than you know what to do with. So the question really is "how many new players would pick up the army?", and I don't think that number is actually all that high. GW probably is better served by making more Space Marines, or Tauroxes nobody asked for, or overpowered Tau battlesuits.

You're poll probably isn't accurate, though, since only people who really care will bother responding to it. IE: those of us who currently play Sisters, those who would play Sisters but balk at the $100/squad price, and those who hate our army and/or want to harass those of us who like it.

100 USD for a squad makes you sound like you're super rich, hate yourself or both. May as well be forgeworld prices at that point.

Just be glad GW didn't squat your setting like WHF. They also squatted tomb kings and bretonnia (poor players). Bretonnia hadn't been updated in years. I played skaven and they weren't updated since 2008 or so and the game died in 2015 so about 7 years with an 8 page FAQ that didn't answer all problems. I don't quite know your pain army-wise but at least your setting remains intact enough that you can play another faction and not just be super pissed at what they did to your game making it super hard to play a game that you enjoyed. Seriously i can't even play WHFB in the local GW store. They actively won't allow it. Hell they actively treat that portion of the player base like ****. GW are ****s.

I don't play guard anymore but the tauroxes looked cool. I also would've wanted to make a stormtrooper army but there's only 2 or 3 units so it's not legit. I do dark eldar now and we kinda suck but at least the FAQ was under control and you could do ok if you didn't play one of the OP factions like tau, eldar or maybe marines with a formation.

While i do feel bad for you and other more normal Sisters players there's generally a bunch of Sisters players lately i have a hard time feeling bad for. There's a bunch of extreme people that like Sisters and more just the fact that they're all female rather than the whole theme of religious nuns.

Ok.....


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Also btw, stop using squatted. You are using that and I don't think you know the meaning of that word.

Sorry i'm still upset over WHFB getting canned.

Squatted means an army gets destroyed and the squats were the dwarf 40k faction that got discontinued. I just use the term more liberally. Dark eldar may get discontinued and i'm afraid for them as i play them.

I totally want plastic sisters. The metal ones have absolutely no conversion ability... The metal ones are sculpted well I must say they've stood the time so far. But metal is just so difficult because there's always the chip factor.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Sorry i'm still upset over WHFB getting canned.

Squatted means an army gets destroyed and the squats were the dwarf 40k faction that got discontinued. I just use the term more liberally. Dark eldar may get discontinued and i'm afraid for them as i play them.

Squats for your info for the future were canned not to sales, but to lore. Their models sold well enough.

I'd pick up a squad to ally in with Guard or Talons - whether I'd do an army would depend on the quality of the models and whether they go for the exaggerated GW-style (ala GW Exorcist) or the more subdued FW-style (e.g. FW Exorcit, Repressor).

 NenkotaMoon wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Sorry i'm still upset over WHFB getting canned.

Squatted means an army gets destroyed and the squats were the dwarf 40k faction that got discontinued. I just use the term more liberally. Dark eldar may get discontinued and i'm afraid for them as i play them.

Squats for your info for the future were canned not to sales, but to lore. Their models sold well enough.

I heard people say it was because they were too goofy but i dunno. Orks are a thing so whatever.

 Asmodai wrote:
I'd pick up a squad to ally in with Guard or Talons - whether I'd do an army would depend on the quality of the models and whether they go for the exaggerated GW-style (ala GW Exorcist) or the more subdued FW-style (e.g. FW Exorcit, Repressor).

Exaggerated is the principal core of 40k. Grimdark is a term because warhammer is just grim and dark up to 11.

Is a dude into a mechanical Throne with a flamer and a sword exaggerated? Yes.

It is ultra cool? YES!



I can see the appeal that people find in the more realistic and subdued FW desings, but personally to me thats not the real 40k. 40k is about being so absurd that it goes full circle back to awesome. Sometimes they fail and just stick into absurd, but when they do it right... oh boy. Thats something to contemplate.

YMMV, IMO, 2000AD, ATSKNF, etc...

 Popsghostly wrote:
I totally want plastic sisters. The metal ones have absolutely no conversion ability... The metal ones are sculpted well I must say they've stood the time so far. But metal is just so difficult because there's always the chip factor.

They're ridiculously good sculpts to have lasted this long without looking totally goofy like 2nd ed Orks, marines, early nids, etc do now. That said GW clearly still hadn't figured out how faces or hair worked yet.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

There's a bunch of extreme people that like Sisters and more just the fact that they're all female rather than the whole theme of religious nuns.

Considering that Sisters of Battle are an all women army in a setting and model line that's 90% male, that's indeed intended to be a selling arguments for them. Since it's something they are recognisable and unique for (there are no other army with exclusively women models, but several with exclusively men models), it's logical that it would attract people for it. In the same fashion, it probably deters some people from playing them and attract people to armies that have exclusively men models.

I do hope if we do get plastic sisters we get a few new units, a plastic mid level Stormtalon-esque fighter, and a heavy transport like the Land Raider Redeemer would be nice and require very little retooling. That and a Terminator like unit...more weapon options for the Canoness...I mean...Power Fist...jetpack...or lighting claws...*goes off rambling*...ohhhh daemon hammers....grav...Sisters Drop Pods that look like cathedrals with flamethrowers...*continues rambling....*

epronovost wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

There's a bunch of extreme people that like Sisters and more just the fact that they're all female rather than the whole theme of religious nuns.

Considering that Sisters of Battle are an all women army in a setting and model line that's 90% male, that's indeed intended to be a selling arguments for them. Since it's something they are recognisable and unique for (there are no other army with exclusively women models, but several with exclusively men models), it's logical that it would attract people for it. In the same fashion, it probably deters some people from playing them and attract people to armies that have exclusively men models.

I know i'm just saying there's quite a few women in warhammer (old fantasy) and 40k. Mostly in old fantasy with both undead factions, all 3 elf factions, ogres and i think a couple other factions. That's at least 6 factions. For 40k both eldar factions, sisters and maybe a couple old guardsman models.

I can understand certain appeals though. Fantasy appealed to me because it was normal humans fighting impossible threats. There was no space marines. Sigh.

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
I do hope if we do get plastic sisters we get a few new units, a plastic mid level Stormtalon-esque fighter, and a heavy transport like the Land Raider Redeemer would be nice and require very little retooling. That and a Terminator like unit...more weapon options for the Canoness...I mean...Power Fist...jetpack...or lighting claws...*goes off rambling*...ohhhh daemon hammers....grav...Sisters Drop Pods that look like cathedrals with flamethrowers...*continues rambling....*

Canoness with Lighting Claws are you saying? Hmmm

Voted no, Already have my flavor of power armor, dark angels. Never really got the lure of the SoB

Do you like power armor?
Yeah
Do You Like flame throwers?
Oh Yeah!
Do you like gakky space marines?
What?
I mean like ballistic skill 3, toughness 3, knowing fear the whole time...
Uhh wait...
BDSM warrior nuns on a mission from the emperor
WTF
Wielding double D's (death and destruction, what were you thinking) to purge the xenos and heretics
I think we are done here...

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
Sisters Drop Pods that look like cathedrals with flamethrowers...*continues rambling....*

That sounds pretty rad.

I run Sisters more for the fact that they're all female rather than the religious nuns thing as was mentioned. I convert all my models normally, but I actually rather like the way sisters look in artwork. I could do nifty things with that as a base model. I'm already making repentia out of aelves from fantasy and big ol' great axes.

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
I do hope if we do get plastic sisters we get a few new units, a plastic mid level Stormtalon-esque fighter, and a heavy transport like the Land Raider Redeemer would be nice and require very little retooling. That and a Terminator like unit...more weapon options for the Canoness...I mean...Power Fist...jetpack...or lighting claws...*goes off rambling*...ohhhh daemon hammers....grav...Sisters Drop Pods that look like cathedrals with flamethrowers...*continues rambling....*

I want bikes, more 'ducati' than 'chopper' though.


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 Grimgold wrote:
Voted no, Already have my flavor of power armor, dark angels. Never really got the lure of the SoB

Do you like power armor?
Yeah
Do You Like flame throwers?
Oh Yeah!
Do you like gakky space marines?
What?
I mean like ballistic skill 3, toughness 3, knowing fear the whole time...
Uhh wait...
BDSM warrior nuns on a mission from the emperor
WTF
Wielding double D's (death and destruction, what were you thinking) to purge the xenos and heretics
I think we are done here...

We're BS 4. And 'gakky space marine' is absolutely redundant.

ERJAK wrote:

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
I do hope if we do get plastic sisters we get a few new units, a plastic mid level Stormtalon-esque fighter, and a heavy transport like the Land Raider Redeemer would be nice and require very little retooling. That and a Terminator like unit...more weapon options for the Canoness...I mean...Power Fist...jetpack...or lighting claws...*goes off rambling*...ohhhh daemon hammers....grav...Sisters Drop Pods that look like cathedrals with flamethrowers...*continues rambling....*

I want bikes, more 'ducati' than 'chopper' though.

I can see something like this selling like hotcakes:


I have realized that I'm here just linking pics of other miniature manufacturers... but... see GW what you have me do! I could have been linking images to your proper miniatures!

ERJAK wrote:

 KingmanHighborn wrote:
I do hope if we do get plastic sisters we get a few new units, a plastic mid level Stormtalon-esque fighter, and a heavy transport like the Land Raider Redeemer would be nice and require very little retooling. That and a Terminator like unit...more weapon options for the Canoness...I mean...Power Fist...jetpack...or lighting claws...*goes off rambling*...ohhhh daemon hammers....grav...Sisters Drop Pods that look like cathedrals with flamethrowers...*continues rambling....*

I want bikes, more 'ducati' than 'chopper' though.

Oooh! How about http://privateerpress.com/files/products/32099_ServathReznikWrathofAges_WEB.jpg, only with slightly more cybernetic horses and a Canoness at the helm?

(And if bikes are happening I want flamers on the handlebars instead of bolters. Yes, they're driving through the bow-wave of burning fuel they're ejecting. Make the armour look a bit more like a fire-suit (like the 30k Pyroclasts with the extra face shield) and you're good to go.)

Not at all interested in sister models.
However, their auxiliaries might be interesting for my inq army.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
There's not many of us, but we're fairly vocal because our army has been neglected for quite some time.

I, for one, would have like to have an actual print codex [again], like every other army, instead of a White Dwarf article, E-book, then small section of a book dedicated to providing a small selection of "background" Imperial organizations. Look, the f****** STORMTROOPERS got their own book, hardcover and all, and they're a single d*** Elites choice for the Imperial Guard. If you can print a hardcover book for the Stormtroopers and their 4 different unit options, you can print a book for us, we have at least twice as many different units and ten times more fluff.

I actually really like the metal figures, though. They're just expensive. Of course, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to triple the size of my army for the same amount I've already spent.


I do wonder how many people would buy plastic Sisters, though. Those of us who currently play Sisters have a fair amount of things as is, and while we'd definitely buy more figures if they came out in plastic, there aren't that many of us and there's a point where you'd have more things than you know what to do with. So the question really is "how many new players would pick up the army?", and I don't think that number is actually all that high. GW probably is better served by making more Space Marines, or Tauroxes nobody asked for, or overpowered Tau battlesuits.

You're poll probably isn't accurate, though, since only people who really care will bother responding to it. IE: those of us who currently play Sisters, those who would play Sisters but balk at the $100/squad price, and those who hate our army and/or want to harass those of us who like it.

100 USD for a squad makes you sound like you're super rich, hate yourself or both. May as well be forgeworld prices at that point.

Just be glad GW didn't squat your setting like WHF. They also squatted tomb kings and bretonnia (poor players). Bretonnia hadn't been updated in years. I played skaven and they weren't updated since 2008 or so and the game died in 2015 so about 7 years with an 8 page FAQ that didn't answer all problems. I don't quite know your pain army-wise but at least your setting remains intact enough that you can play another faction and not just be super pissed at what they did to your game making it super hard to play a game that you enjoyed. Seriously i can't even play WHFB in the local GW store. They actively won't allow it. Hell they actively treat that portion of the player base like ****. GW are ****s.

I don't play guard anymore but the tauroxes looked cool. I also would've wanted to make a stormtrooper army but there's only 2 or 3 units so it's not legit. I do dark eldar now and we kinda suck but at least the FAQ was under control and you could do ok if you didn't play one of the OP factions like tau, eldar or maybe marines with a formation.

While i do feel bad for you and other more normal Sisters players there's generally a bunch of Sisters players lately i have a hard time feeling bad for. There's a bunch of extreme people that like Sisters and more just the fact that they're all female rather than the whole theme of religious nuns.

I am neither rich nor do I hate myself, and $100 is a bit of an exaggeration. Currently, it costs $80 for 1 Superior, 1 Simulacrum, 1 Meltagun, 1 Storm Bolter, and 6 regular Sisters. Then, it costs $10 per additional special weapon so you can replace the Meltagun and Storm Bolter with Flamers or an extra Meltagun. A minimum squad is actually 5 models though, and if you buy the pack of 5 regular Sisters for $35, 4 special weapons, and 2 Superiors, you come up to $50 per 5-girl minimum-size squad [and you're going to also want a $40 transport tank for every squad you have, but that's besides the point, because the 10-girl squad would also like a $40 transport]. I am informed that this is not unreasonable considering the price of pewter, and am willing to pay this, but would also appreciate plastic figures who don't cost so much.

I play Guard, and I hate Tauroxes. First off, Chimerae were plenty good. They were everything I could ask for in an IFV, and with Forgeworld they could have an Autocannon. Then comes the Taurox. It's ugly as all hell, and most importantly, it's blantant power creep. GW didn't try to hide the fact that it was supposed to be better than the Chimera. It got up-gunned, with a TL Autocannon over our Multilaser and Heavy Bolter, replaced Amphibious with an actually useful special rule, and, at the same time, the Chimera was nerfed [lost 3 fire points] and increased in points cost by ten points so the Taurox would be 15 points cheaper. I might be inclined to like the Taurox more if it was an M3 Halftrack instead of whatever the hell that 4-tracked monstrosity is.

Now, I'm not sure how to respond to your last statement, because I'm not sure exactly who your vitrol is directed at, but I will say that if my army wasn't both all female and an order of otherwise ordinary people who, though unshakable blind faith and an unhealthy cult of martyrdom, equal and exceed the capabilities of genetically engineered killing machines, [and didn't have by far the prettiest models of GW's entire line up], I might not be playing this army. At the very least, I wouldn't like it if we wore chainmail bikinis.

I hate the Taurox..

I like the idea of homicidal space nuns with chainsaws and flamethrowers. I enjoy the ridiculous, heavy metal aspect of 40k. That said, if there are new plastic sisters I think it would be cool if the boob plates got toned down and the battle scars and scariness got turned up.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
...I play Guard, and I hate Tauroxes. First off, Chimerae were plenty good. They were everything I could ask for in an IFV, and with Forgeworld they could have an Autocannon. Then comes the Taurox. It's ugly as all hell, and most importantly, it's blantant power creep. GW didn't try to hide the fact that it was supposed to be better than the Chimera. It got up-gunned, with a TL Autocannon over our Multilaser and Heavy Bolter, replaced Amphibious with an actually useful special rule, and, at the same time, the Chimera was nerfed [lost 3 fire points] and increased in points cost by ten points so the Taurox would be 15 points cheaper. I might be inclined to like the Taurox more if it was an M3 Halftrack instead of whatever the hell that 4-tracked monstrosity is...

(It's an MRAP with tracks stuck on in place of wheels to make it look more future-y.)

(Personally the thing that annoys me the most about the Taurox is that I'm misunderstood the first time whenever I want to say anything about a Tauros (you know, the dune buggy, not that stupid tracked MRAP?), but that may be because my interaction with Guard is an airborne force that only exists because GW took away my Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, so I never used Chimeras in the first place.)

what do people have against boob plates I don't know.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I like the idea of homicidal space nuns with chainsaws and flamethrowers. I enjoy the ridiculous, heavy metal aspect of 40k. That said, if there are new plastic sisters I think it would be cool if the boob plates got toned down and the battle scars and scariness got turned up.

Also the helmets. Let me put those helmets on a full squad or two without spending exorbitant amounts of money and cutting up huge chunks of pewter and I will be very happy.


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 NenkotaMoon wrote:
what do people have against boob plates I don't know.

Oh, here we go...

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I like the idea of homicidal space nuns with chainsaws and flamethrowers. I enjoy the ridiculous, heavy metal aspect of 40k. That said, if there are new plastic sisters I think it would be cool if the boob plates got toned down and the battle scars and scariness got turned up.

Also the helmets. Let me put those helmets on a full squad or two without spending exorbitant amounts of money and cutting up huge chunks of pewter and I will be very happy.


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 NenkotaMoon wrote:
what do people have against boob plates I don't know.

Oh, here we go...

Sisters of Battle Helmets are without a doubt my favourite style of Helmets in all of 40k. I don't know why, because the Breacher Firewarrior helmets are ultra cool, but the SoB ones... hmmm...
If they where affordable I'll buyt them just to use with my Imperial Guard and Space Marines.
Just look at this. Beautiful.

More boob plates for the SOB, and I want crotch plates for the SM. MAKE IT HAPPEN GW!!!!

NenkotaMoon wrote:what do people have against boob plates I don't know.

I like them.

Also, I like the helmetless models much more than the helmeted ones. I just don't like helmets, not specifically the Sororitas helmet.

Grimgold wrote:Voted no, Already have my flavor of power armor, dark angels. Never really got the lure of the SoB

Do you like power armor?
Yeah
Do You Like flame throwers?
Oh Yeah!
Do you like gakky space marines?
What?
I mean like ballistic skill 3, toughness 3, knowing fear the whole time...
Uhh wait...
BDSM warrior nuns on a mission from the emperor
WTF
Wielding double D's (death and destruction, what were you thinking) to purge the xenos and heretics
I think we are done here...

We're not gakky space marines, we're better than space marines, and we don't need genetic augmentation to be that way, just our indomitable faith, unshakable resolve, and obsession with dying gloriously in His name!

Sister of Battle are my flavor of power armor. Never liked Space Marines, but I love my Sisters to death. We've got a tank that's a rolling pipe organ, jump infantry with jetpacks that have their exhausts arrayed to make fiery angelic wings, a literal archangel of the Emperor, and gold and silver on just about everything. Space Marines are just so bland, and I've got my Guardsmen for the military feel.

Also, we're BS4.

Plastic sisters....to go with some Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors? Yes, oh yes I would.

The helmet ones look like they are wearing underwear on their heads.

AnomanderRake wrote: Oooh! How about http://privateerpress.com/files/products/32099_ServathReznikWrathofAges_WEB.jpg, only with slightly more cybernetic horses and a Canoness at the helm?

(And if bikes are happening I want flamers on the handlebars instead of bolters. Yes, they're driving through the bow-wave of burning fuel they're ejecting. Make the armour look a bit more like a fire-suit (like the 30k Pyroclasts with the extra face shield) and you're good to go.)

Ooooooh yeah that would be a freaking awesome idea.

Galas wrote:
Canoness with Lighting Claws are you saying? Hmmm

Spoiler:

Its dangerous to go alone, take this...

Beautiful. Simply beautiful.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
The helmet ones look like they are wearing underwear on their heads.

Or they look like Byzantine cataphracts, with the nice defined top bit going all featureless below the eyes.

...Now I'm wondering what would happen if you ran across Byzantine cataphracts wearing their underwear on their heads. I don't know what passed for underwear in the 8th century but I'm pretty sure it wasn't elasticized.

NenkotaMoon, you're taking this thread off topic. Cease with this kind of post.

If you're going to post something, do not derail the conversation.

What did I say? PM Please.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Just be glad GW didn't squat your setting like WHF. They also squatted tomb kings and bretonnia (poor players).

Those 'poor' players had plastic minis for years and years, something Sisters never got. They had multiple, proper codexes.

I don't know how sisters managed to hold on. It doesn't seem that anyone at GW has any great love for them, but it does seem that the fan base has a great deal of love for them.

Galas wrote:
That hasn't been a problem to Genestealer Cult. Is disingenuos to compare a faction so abandoned by the company to other armies. New armies sell well if they have good sculpts and are reasonable priced.
See Deathwatch, see Kharadron Overlords or Sylvaneth, Cult Mechanicus/Skitarii, etc...
Not every army has to sell like Space Marines to give profits to GW.

ERJAK wrote:

Yeah, take every poll of 'favorite faction' before deathwatch overkill came out and see where genestealer cults came in and the number of people buying genestealer cult models at that time and then tell everyone that plays genestealers NOW that your data says that no one would buy that army.

Sisters of battle have so many things going against them(terrible support, 20 year old sculpts, terrible rules, limited diversity, obscenely expensive models, being stuck in stupid goddam pewter, arguably the worst representation of any faction fluff wise in terms of both quantity of background and constantly using them as less than cannon fodder, being an all female army in a hobby that is 97% male, etc) that the fact that they sell ANY models is truly nuts.

Not to mention the incredibly circumstantial evidence that the only 2 Sisters releases in 20yrs (canoness and Celestine) Both sold out in prerelease and that the resin canoness has sold out about every 3 days for months now.

Would they be the most popular army ever? No, absolutely not. Would they compete pretty well with DE, Harlies, GK, DW, Nids and all of the other niche armies that aren't tau, eldar, space marines, orks or chaos? Absolutely they could if they were given half decent plastics with goodish rules they could easily be a middle of the table army sales-wise.

Hey, I don't make the calls at GW. I'm just commenting on the only information I have to go on. I've also never once seen a SoB army in person in 20 years being involved with 40k on and off, though that's anecdotal.

No doubt it's a shame that GW has all but abandoned SoB. When I think about 40k, they are one of the most iconic factions that comes to mind. I still go back and play Dawn of War: Soulstorm and they're my favorite faction in the game. I've always wanted to start an army, but I don't even remember seeing them in a store!

 Luciferian wrote:


Hey, I don't make the calls at GW. I'm just commenting on the only information I have to go on. I've also never once seen a SoB army in person in 20 years being involved with 40k on and off, though that's anecdotal.

No doubt it's a shame that GW has all but abandoned SoB. When I think about 40k, they are one of the most iconic factions that comes to mind. I still go back and play Dawn of War: Soulstorm and they're my favorite faction in the game. I've always wanted to start an army, but I don't even remember seeing them in a store!

I've seen one other. I also know that there are at least three of us in town, because there was another one in a local tourney. We exist, somewhere, it seems. But we also seem disproportionately represented on the internet, or at least disproportionately vocal on the internet.

Our models are only available online. Mild inconvenience, but they're expensive enough to clear the free shipping quota every time.

SoB are one of my favourite armies in the 40k universe by far. However, I did vote no :(

1. I have a pretty large SoB army atm and only want a few more things (The rest is just conversions I am doing to add to it like SoB baneblade etc).

2. If they do come out with plastic SoB they will prob be different in looks etc to the metal ones (updated). So why would I bother, I don't want my squads to look different etc and I like the metal sculpts.

3. I like the challenge of converting metal mini's (e.g. making different combi options etc).

There's three SoB armies in my area. Lots of people probably haven't been using them because they won't place well in tournaments. That and how expensive the models are. Some are hard to get a hold of too.

Lot depends on a) how they look b) what's the pricing.

 Luciferian wrote:

Galas wrote:
That hasn't been a problem to Genestealer Cult. Is disingenuos to compare a faction so abandoned by the company to other armies. New armies sell well if they have good sculpts and are reasonable priced.
See Deathwatch, see Kharadron Overlords or Sylvaneth, Cult Mechanicus/Skitarii, etc...
Not every army has to sell like Space Marines to give profits to GW.

ERJAK wrote:

Yeah, take every poll of 'favorite faction' before deathwatch overkill came out and see where genestealer cults came in and the number of people buying genestealer cult models at that time and then tell everyone that plays genestealers NOW that your data says that no one would buy that army.

Sisters of battle have so many things going against them(terrible support, 20 year old sculpts, terrible rules, limited diversity, obscenely expensive models, being stuck in stupid goddam pewter, arguably the worst representation of any faction fluff wise in terms of both quantity of background and constantly using them as less than cannon fodder, being an all female army in a hobby that is 97% male, etc) that the fact that they sell ANY models is truly nuts.

Not to mention the incredibly circumstantial evidence that the only 2 Sisters releases in 20yrs (canoness and Celestine) Both sold out in prerelease and that the resin canoness has sold out about every 3 days for months now.

Would they be the most popular army ever? No, absolutely not. Would they compete pretty well with DE, Harlies, GK, DW, Nids and all of the other niche armies that aren't tau, eldar, space marines, orks or chaos? Absolutely they could if they were given half decent plastics with goodish rules they could easily be a middle of the table army sales-wise.

Hey, I don't make the calls at GW. I'm just commenting on the only information I have to go on. I've also never once seen a SoB army in person in 20 years being involved with 40k on and off, though that's anecdotal.

No doubt it's a shame that GW has all but abandoned SoB. When I think about 40k, they are one of the most iconic factions that comes to mind. I still go back and play Dawn of War: Soulstorm and they're my favorite faction in the game. I've always wanted to start an army, but I don't even remember seeing them in a store!

It is on the record that the number one player in the ITC was, for a few weeks, playing Adepta Soriritas as the start of the season.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
There's not many of us, but we're fairly vocal because our army has been neglected for quite some time.

I, for one, would have like to have an actual print codex [again], like every other army, instead of a White Dwarf article, E-book, then small section of a book dedicated to providing a small selection of "background" Imperial organizations. Look, the f****** STORMTROOPERS got their own book, hardcover and all, and they're a single d*** Elites choice for the Imperial Guard. If you can print a hardcover book for the Stormtroopers and their 4 different unit options, you can print a book for us, we have at least twice as many different units and ten times more fluff.

I actually really like the metal figures, though. They're just expensive. Of course, I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to triple the size of my army for the same amount I've already spent.


I do wonder how many people would buy plastic Sisters, though. Those of us who currently play Sisters have a fair amount of things as is, and while we'd definitely buy more figures if they came out in plastic, there aren't that many of us and there's a point where you'd have more things than you know what to do with. So the question really is "how many new players would pick up the army?", and I don't think that number is actually all that high. GW probably is better served by making more Space Marines, or Tauroxes nobody asked for, or overpowered Tau battlesuits.

You're poll probably isn't accurate, though, since only people who really care will bother responding to it. IE: those of us who currently play Sisters, those who would play Sisters but balk at the $100/squad price, and those who hate our army and/or want to harass those of us who like it.

100 USD for a squad makes you sound like you're super rich, hate yourself or both. May as well be forgeworld prices at that point.

Just be glad GW didn't squat your setting like WHF. They also squatted tomb kings and bretonnia (poor players). Bretonnia hadn't been updated in years. I played skaven and they weren't updated since 2008 or so and the game died in 2015 so about 7 years with an 8 page FAQ that didn't answer all problems. I don't quite know your pain army-wise but at least your setting remains intact enough that you can play another faction and not just be super pissed at what they did to your game making it super hard to play a game that you enjoyed. Seriously i can't even play WHFB in the local GW store. They actively won't allow it. Hell they actively treat that portion of the player base like ****. GW are ****s.

I don't play guard anymore but the tauroxes looked cool. I also would've wanted to make a stormtrooper army but there's only 2 or 3 units so it's not legit. I do dark eldar now and we kinda suck but at least the FAQ was under control and you could do ok if you didn't play one of the OP factions like tau, eldar or maybe marines with a formation.

While i do feel bad for you and other more normal Sisters players there's generally a bunch of Sisters players lately i have a hard time feeling bad for. There's a bunch of extreme people that like Sisters and more just the fact that they're all female rather than the whole theme of religious nuns.

I am neither rich nor do I hate myself, and $100 is a bit of an exaggeration. Currently, it costs $80 for 1 Superior, 1 Simulacrum, 1 Meltagun, 1 Storm Bolter, and 6 regular Sisters. Then, it costs $10 per additional special weapon so you can replace the Meltagun and Storm Bolter with Flamers or an extra Meltagun. A minimum squad is actually 5 models though, and if you buy the pack of 5 regular Sisters for $35, 4 special weapons, and 2 Superiors, you come up to $50 per 5-girl minimum-size squad [and you're going to also want a $40 transport tank for every squad you have, but that's besides the point, because the 10-girl squad would also like a $40 transport]. I am informed that this is not unreasonable considering the price of pewter, and am willing to pay this, but would also appreciate plastic figures who don't cost so much.

I play Guard, and I hate Tauroxes. First off, Chimerae were plenty good. They were everything I could ask for in an IFV, and with Forgeworld they could have an Autocannon. Then comes the Taurox. It's ugly as all hell, and most importantly, it's blantant power creep. GW didn't try to hide the fact that it was supposed to be better than the Chimera. It got up-gunned, with a TL Autocannon over our Multilaser and Heavy Bolter, replaced Amphibious with an actually useful special rule, and, at the same time, the Chimera was nerfed [lost 3 fire points] and increased in points cost by ten points so the Taurox would be 15 points cheaper. I might be inclined to like the Taurox more if it was an M3 Halftrack instead of whatever the hell that 4-tracked monstrosity is.

Now, I'm not sure how to respond to your last statement, because I'm not sure exactly who your vitrol is directed at, but I will say that if my army wasn't both all female and an order of otherwise ordinary people who, though unshakable blind faith and an unhealthy cult of martyrdom, equal and exceed the capabilities of genetically engineered killing machines, [and didn't have by far the prettiest models of GW's entire line up], I might not be playing this army. At the very least, I wouldn't like it if we wore chainmail bikinis.

Those costs are still way too much.

Eh everybody has different tastes. I'm just saying i personally don't mind the taurox. I like the very death squad feel of the vehicle. Makes it feel elite and goes with the doom and gloom of the universe. Also we're talking about GW who kind of hates a lot of their player bases (WHFB, dark eldar, sisters players, squats, dogs of war and others).

Well it's a hard thing to really say but it's only gotten worse with the current political trend. I don't want to get this way off topic or starting an argument but there are some Feminists that take Sisters a little too far. I don't mind girls in the imperial guard but i find some groups just want all girls for the sake of having all girls (i can understand this one more because of all the guy factions but i don't see many girl players at the local store) or worse with a girls are better than boys attitude (though that's much rarer). I never liked marines myself with maybe dark angels being an exception and i did like grey knights and death watch a bit too but i don't think i'd dip into the marine armies. As far as best looking army for the moment i still think dark eldar have a really nice aesthetic for 40k. Shame they're so fragile to transport around in a case.

I think Sisters could be done well if they had a proper update. This isn't just plastic sisters but more units. Even back years ago i was hoping they could at least get artificer armor wearing sisters and perhaps some refractor field or rosarius ones esp. for those chainsaw bdsm girls. As i said i still feel bad for Sister's players. We all know they deserve better. I think chaos players were oddly more bitter though.

I've never been a fan of giving sisters marine-esque things like terminator armour and their equivalents. Even just thinking about it now makes me cringe. These sisters are set apart from marines and giving them marine tools beyond what they already have now would only serve to further the slanderous misconception that they're just gal marines. I shall forego the desire to burst into anti marine rant and just summarise it as sisters have got a lot more flavour than most people give them credit for.

They're not just psychotic murder hobo nuns with guns. GW spends so much time pointlessly red-shirting these girls that we don't get to see them shine. Sisters have a massive humanitarian side- pilgrim protection, humanitarian support, heck even baby kissing; the sisters inspire awe and wonder and hope- their very presence is the embodiment of faith that inspires the most downtrodden to hope and the most hardened criminals to repentance.
Marines by comparison just wreck **** and then **** off.
While marines are emptily screaming "for the emperor", the sisters know believe whole geartedly what they shout and pray and say. These are women so into their theology, they can go toe to toe with a word bearer in both a battle of might and words. Their arguments aren't just " big Es da boss cuz I sez" each one is able to sit you down and eloquently explain every facet of their faith without needing to purge you because you're going to be falling on your face 10 minutes into the conversation begging the emperor's favour.

Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, new sisters need to keep the church look ramped up to 11. I don't think it's a matter of needing more new toys like marines keep getting, but the ability to have multiple strategies available to them. I use the dominion squad as an example.
Pre 7th...or was it 6th? On of the two, this squad didn't have Scout. This made them a spec weapons team that had to slog it along the field. Now they have the flexibility to outflank or move ahead. This squad is no new toy, it just had new strategies open up to them.
This is what sisters need. They like to get up close but have a long way to get there. They need ways of doing it like seraphim deep strike and dominion outflank without having to resort to marine toys....that said, someone mention either here or another forum sisters drop pods that look like cathedrals- which looks amazing in my head. Cathedral pods slamming in, laud hailers blaring hymnal music as sisters burst forward with prayer on lips undee the cover of pod bolters and meltas. Cathedral pods being modified after battle to be used as command posts, hospitals and aid stations in the wake of the aftermath...crap, now I want this.

In summary: plastics. Keep churchy look. We're not marines.

On a side not, if I were to venture a guess as to what future plastic sisters would look like, my bet would be on the aesthetics of Celestine and her geminae. At least for the armour...though I would welcome more angelic like figures into the sisters range.

I think chaos players were oddly more bitter though.

I can understand why, sisters players understand that ultimately they ARE just one army among many, chaos is constantly told they're the big bad, they're the uber evil, they're the most important faction other then the IoM...

but not seeing a whole lot of support to indicate it.

 mmzero252 wrote:
There's three SoB armies in my area. Lots of people probably haven't been using them because they won't place well in tournaments. That and how expensive the models are. Some are hard to get a hold of too.

They are quite popular here also, With he prime issue cost and lack of new models being the prime issue. I would say that a good rework and update would have been far more popular than some other releases.

Only the one GW employee plays Sisters out of all the people i've seen (at the very least all the regulars) and i think he's got everything. The 50% GW employee discount helps too (if i recall they get that). That said a bunch of people got the imperial triumverate that includes celestine. Usually she's the only Sisters part that they include in their army and it's usually as some annoying Imperial Triumverate that's super broken.

 Galas wrote:

The helmets are the only part of the models I like.

OTOH the helmets are amazing.

They should make plastic sisters or put them out of their misery the current limbo is unfair and each update removes more options without giving anything to compensate.

flamingkillamajig wrote:Those costs are still way too much.

Well it's a hard thing to really say but it's only gotten worse with the current political trend. I don't want to get this way off topic or starting an argument but there are some Feminists that take Sisters a little too far. I don't mind girls in the imperial guard but i find some groups just want all girls for the sake of having all girls (i can understand this one more because of all the guy factions but i don't see many girl players at the local store) or worse with a girls are better than boys attitude (though that's much rarer). I never liked marines myself with maybe dark angels being an exception and i did like grey knights and death watch a bit too but i don't think i'd dip into the marine armies. As far as best looking army for the moment i still think dark eldar have a really nice aesthetic for 40k. Shame they're so fragile to transport around in a case.

I accept that there are people with differing opinion, and that those people are in power. I don't mind; that's how representative democracy works.

What really irks me are the people who are politics-adverse. Caring about the course of our nation is your civic duty as a voting citizen of the United States of America! If you can stand on a soapbox and say out loud that you oppose my ideals and why, I can accept that. But, if your reason for opposing my beliefs is "because I'm loud and have ideas I care about," then I hold you in contempt.

If you're upset about increased levels of political awareness and activism from progressively minded individuals, there's nothing more I can say to you that would be constructive.

Giantwalkingchair wrote:I've never been a fan of giving sisters marine-esque things like terminator armour and their equivalents. Even just thinking about it now makes me cringe. These sisters are set apart from marines and giving them marine tools beyond what they already have now would only serve to further the slanderous misconception that they're just gal marines. I shall forego the desire to burst into anti marine rant and just summarise it as sisters have got a lot more flavour than most people give them credit for.

They're not just psychotic murder hobo nuns with guns. GW spends so much time pointlessly red-shirting these girls that we don't get to see them shine. Sisters have a massive humanitarian side- pilgrim protection, humanitarian support, heck even baby kissing; the sisters inspire awe and wonder and hope- their very presence is the embodiment of faith that inspires the most downtrodden to hope and the most hardened criminals to repentance.
Marines by comparison just wreck **** and then **** off.
While marines are emptily screaming "for the emperor", the sisters know believe whole geartedly what they shout and pray and say. These are women so into their theology, they can go toe to toe with a word bearer in both a battle of might and words. Their arguments aren't just " big Es da boss cuz I sez" each one is able to sit you down and eloquently explain every facet of their faith without needing to purge you because you're going to be falling on your face 10 minutes into the conversation begging the emperor's favour.

Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, new sisters need to keep the church look ramped up to 11. I don't think it's a matter of needing more new toys like marines keep getting, but the ability to have multiple strategies available to them. I use the dominion squad as an example.
Pre 7th...or was it 6th? On of the two, this squad didn't have Scout. This made them a spec weapons team that had to slog it along the field. Now they have the flexibility to outflank or move ahead. This squad is no new toy, it just had new strategies open up to them.
This is what sisters need. They like to get up close but have a long way to get there. They need ways of doing it like seraphim deep strike and dominion outflank without having to resort to marine toys....that said, someone mention either here or another forum sisters drop pods that look like cathedrals- which looks amazing in my head. Cathedral pods slamming in, laud hailers blaring hymnal music as sisters burst forward with prayer on lips undee the cover of pod bolters and meltas. Cathedral pods being modified after battle to be used as command posts, hospitals and aid stations in the wake of the aftermath...crap, now I want this.

In summary: plastics. Keep churchy look. We're not marines.

On a side not, if I were to venture a guess as to what future plastic sisters would look like, my bet would be on the aesthetics of Celestine and her geminae. At least for the armour...though I would welcome more angelic like figures into the sisters range.

I would like a FlaK tank. A good one please. I would like a way to shoot down planes and FMC's that's more effective than spraying rifle fire at the sky.

Currently, my only plan when engaging armies such as the Daemon Flying Circus or Flyrants, or the Necron airwing, is to run around and pretend the flyers don't exist. Fishing for 6's with the Exorcists isn't an effective way to down flyers, and neither is hosing the sky down with heavy bolter fire.

A little over 10 years ago, when I started playing 40k, Sisters were even then one of those armies that was so cool to me, and I wanted them. Even when I was a wee lad of 15, the idea of a bunch of psychotic power-armoured BDSM nuns (who also happened to run alongside the Inquisition) was badass. They had so much more character than the bland and flawless Space Marines then, and they still do now, as much as GW hates them. I bought a few of the characters, but being full metal and expensive as hell even then made them extremely prohibitive as an army (and I ran Grey Knights at the time, so everything was full metal for them too, but at least I didn't need to field so many).

But even 10 years ago, plastic sisters were 'right around the corner.' And it looks like they're just as right around the corner as they were 10 years ago.

Now, I'd happily drop hundreds of dollars on a Sisters army the moment they're available for preorder without a second thought. I basically have an emergency 'In Case of Plastic Sisters Break Glass' fund. But I doubt it will ever happen at this point. I figure that they're essentially squatted now, especially with the Sisters of Silence being GW's new 'obligatory female presence faction.'

It's funny, too, because all they'd need would be a single box for infantry (Sisters/Celestians/Retributors/Dominions), and a single box for jump infantry (dual kit for Seraphim/newunit), and they'd cover most of the faction. Sure, there are lots of crazy and kooky big toys, but for GW's red-headed step child, even just the basic infantry would do. Considering that GW likes to pump out 4 or 5 new Space Marine boxes every thursday, it can't be too much to ask for a faction that hasn't received any reasonable updates for 20 years to get two god damn boxes.

Luciferian wrote:Hey, I don't make the calls at GW. I'm just commenting on the only information I have to go on. I've also never once seen a SoB army in person in 20 years being involved with 40k on and off, though that's anecdotal.

No doubt it's a shame that GW has all but abandoned SoB. When I think about 40k, they are one of the most iconic factions that comes to mind. I still go back and play Dawn of War: Soulstorm and they're my favorite faction in the game. I've always wanted to start an army, but I don't even remember seeing them in a store!

My LGS has a couple SoB players here, and I love to see them out on the field.

Fafnir wrote:A little over 10 years ago, when I started playing 40k, Sisters were even then one of those armies that was so cool to me, and I wanted them. Even when I was a wee lad of 15, the idea of a bunch of psychotic power-armoured BDSM nuns (who also happened to run alongside the Inquisition) was badass. They had so much more character than the bland and flawless Space Marines then, and they still do now, as much as GW hates them. I bought a few of the characters, but being full metal and expensive as hell even then made them extremely prohibitive as an army (and I ran Grey Knights at the time, so everything was full metal for them too, but at least I didn't need to field so many).

Almost the same for me. I never bought one, though. I was just about to, then I saw that the box of 5 metal Sisters cost almost twice as much as 10 plastic Marines. My budget couldn't handle that at the time, so I put the idea on the back burner until I could get some serious income (still waiting on that). I can't say I would start buying them as soon as they come out, due to my current lack of a job, but if they came out, they would probably be my first army getting back in to 40K.

Fafnir wrote:It's funny, too, because all they'd need would be a single box for infantry (Sisters/Celestians/Retributors/Dominions), and a single box for jump infantry (dual kit for Seraphim/newunit), and they'd cover most of the faction. Sure, there are lots of crazy and kooky big toys, but for GW's red-headed step child, even just the basic infantry would do. Considering that GW likes to pump out 4 or 5 new Space Marine boxes every thursday, it can't be too much to ask for a faction that hasn't received any reasonable updates for 20 years to get two god damn boxes.

I think it would be a little more. I'd run them as a box of 10 Bolter Sisters w/ Elite and Special options, a box of 5 Heavy Weapon Sisters, and a box of Serephim. That's the minimum of boxes I'd make for the Infantry, but I'd still like to see a Repentia box with options other than the Eviserator for some flavor. So, before blisters, we're looking at 4 new Infantry boxes.

Vehicles are a whole new bucket to work with. Either the Sisters get moved to the Razorback for their armed Transports or the Repressor comes out with a heavy weapon variant to replace the Immolator model. Having variants of the Penitent Engine would also be nice as well. The Exorcist would then need to be reviewed and addressed as well, unless it was incorporated in to the Repressor kit. Having a dual kit with the Exorcist would also be advantageous, as the Sororitas could really use an actual battle tank. So, that's 3 Vehicle boxes at a minimum I'd start with for a grand total of 7 boxes plus blisters before anything new is actually added.

I think you're expecting far too much. At this point, even a single box would be a reason for rejoicing. I'll be surprised if Sisters get so much as a footnote in the upcoming 8th edition previews.

 Fafnir wrote:
I think you're expecting far too much. At this point, even a single box would be a reason for rejoicing. I'll be surprised if Sisters get so much as a footnote in the upcoming 8th edition previews.

In the previews, yes. However, in order to actually reboot the Sisters so they would be selling, we're looking at a Dark Eldar-level resculpt, and those I listed are the bare minimum in order to establish them again. This may be spread out over a couple months so that we get the base Troops/Elite Box, Repressor/Immolator, plus a New Thing box for the first release, and then see the rest come a month with several new boxes along the way.

I haven't heard any thing actually being developed recently, but I've been out of the rumor-tracking business since Warseer crashed hard the last time. I think the last rumor I read that Sisters were being planned for a Fall release, we saw the Sisters of Silence being released within that time frame.

The thing is, GW doesn't think Sisters will ever sell well enough to justify a full release, because they haven't been selling well now (...I wonder why...). At this point, we'd probably be lucky to get a single unit entry (and maybe a hero) in the 'Imperial Agents' faction (or whatever they end up calling it in 8th).

 Fafnir wrote:
The thing is, GW doesn't think Sisters will ever sell well enough to justify a full release, because they haven't been selling well now (...I wonder why...). At this point, we'd probably be lucky to get a single unit entry (and maybe a hero) in the 'Imperial Agents' faction (or whatever they end up calling it in 8th).

They are selling better now than Dark Eldar were before their reboot...

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

flamingkillamajig wrote:Those costs are still way too much.

Well it's a hard thing to really say but it's only gotten worse with the current political trend. I don't want to get this way off topic or starting an argument but there are some Feminists that take Sisters a little too far. I don't mind girls in the imperial guard but i find some groups just want all girls for the sake of having all girls (i can understand this one more because of all the guy factions but i don't see many girl players at the local store) or worse with a girls are better than boys attitude (though that's much rarer). I never liked marines myself with maybe dark angels being an exception and i did like grey knights and death watch a bit too but i don't think i'd dip into the marine armies. As far as best looking army for the moment i still think dark eldar have a really nice aesthetic for 40k. Shame they're so fragile to transport around in a case.

I accept that there are people with differing opinion, and that those people are in power. I don't mind; that's how representative democracy works.

What really irks me are the people who are politics-adverse. Caring about the course of our nation is your civic duty as a voting citizen of the United States of America! If you can stand on a soapbox and say out loud that you oppose my ideals and why, I can accept that. But, if your reason for opposing my beliefs is "because I'm loud and have ideas I care about," then I hold you in contempt.

If you're upset about increased levels of political awareness and activism from progressively minded individuals, there's nothing more I can say to you that would be constructive.

Well i'm sorry you feel that way but it's your choice. I do care about my side of the argument and have feminist friends but i myself am not one. It really depends on what it's over 'wants' issues vs 'needs' issues. A 'wants' issue is wanting more girls in 40k which is a game you play. A need issue is getting raped, killed, losing your home or job or something of that nature. You know something that effects your life. Most feminist issues circle around the 'wants' area rather than the 'needs'. Add to that the fact some companies are adding certain groups for PR reasons and display them constantly trying to act as if they're so open-minded when they do it just for PR reasons and it kind of craps on the actual people that want the change. In the case of the other groups that have it bad i can understand more. When somebody gets killed it matters but when you see an ad for like 'the gap' and an older kid is pretending to be a brat to a younger kid turns into a race issue you're kind of projecting things and it doesn't matter.

Anyway i was trying my best to remain civil and not turn this into an issue. I wish not to upset the mods.

 Fafnir wrote:
The thing is, GW doesn't think Sisters will ever sell well enough to justify a full release, because they haven't been selling well now (...I wonder why...). At this point, we'd probably be lucky to get a single unit entry (and maybe a hero) in the 'Imperial Agents' faction (or whatever they end up calling it in 8th).

Really. Where people has hear the "We don't do SoB because they don't sell well enough?" from GW. Because I'll like to see the links.

Comparing the sales of SoB now to other armies is just useless. The actual model range of SoB could be just non existant to accounting the number of people that could buy them in a re-release, because beginning a SoB army today is one of the more extreme levels of Sadomasochism one can do.

Who in GW tought that Genestealer Cults could ever sell enough to justify the full release they received? Karadron Overlords, Fyreslayers? Ironjawz? Cult Mechanicus? All of those armies had near 0 fanbase before they existence (I know, GS and Admech did had fans), but GW just did them. And the fanbase was created after their release.

If GW don't reluanch SoB is not because they think they aren't gonna sell. Is because they haven't anyone in the Studio go wants to commit to that job, or just nobody in the studio like SoB fluff, etc...
In the past, Squats where one of the big miniature ranges of 40k. Did you know why they "squatted" them? Not because a sales reason. Just because nobody in the studio know what to do to them in therms of aesthetic, feeling, and fluff.

 Charistoph wrote:

I think it would be a little more. I'd run them as a box of 10 Bolter Sisters w/ Elite and Special options, a box of 5 Heavy Weapon Sisters, and a box of Serephim. That's the minimum of boxes I'd make for the Infantry, but I'd still like to see a Repentia box with options other than the Eviserator for some flavor. So, before blisters, we're looking at 4 new Infantry boxes.

Vehicles are a whole new bucket to work with. Either the Sisters get moved to the Razorback for their armed Transports or the Repressor comes out with a heavy weapon variant to replace the Immolator model. Having variants of the Penitent Engine would also be nice as well. The Exorcist would then need to be reviewed and addressed as well, unless it was incorporated in to the Repressor kit. Having a dual kit with the Exorcist would also be advantageous, as the Sororitas could really use an actual battle tank. So, that's 3 Vehicle boxes at a minimum I'd start with for a grand total of 7 boxes plus blisters before anything new is actually added.

Exorcist kit already includes the Immolator kit, actually. The Immolator is also in plastic.

And I like the Immolator.

To answer the OP, yes, I would buy some plastic SoB. I'd willingly max out some credit cards and ruin myself financially for them.
Just kidding tho. Probably.

Id buy

looking at the quality of the new ones.

 Galas wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I like the idea of homicidal space nuns with chainsaws and flamethrowers. I enjoy the ridiculous, heavy metal aspect of 40k. That said, if there are new plastic sisters I think it would be cool if the boob plates got toned down and the battle scars and scariness got turned up.

Also the helmets. Let me put those helmets on a full squad or two without spending exorbitant amounts of money and cutting up huge chunks of pewter and I will be very happy.


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 NenkotaMoon wrote:
what do people have against boob plates I don't know.

Oh, here we go...

Sisters of Battle Helmets are without a doubt my favourite style of Helmets in all of 40k. I don't know why, because the Breacher Firewarrior helmets are ultra cool, but the SoB ones... hmmm...
If they where affordable I'll buyt them just to use with my Imperial Guard and Space Marines.
Just look at this. Beautiful.

Spoiler:

Yeah the helmets are definitely awesome, hopefully the fleur de lis and many of these details carry over to any plastic models. I just don't want GW to tone down the gothicness of the imperium models any more.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
I like the idea of homicidal space nuns with chainsaws and flamethrowers. I enjoy the ridiculous, heavy metal aspect of 40k. That said, if there are new plastic sisters I think it would be cool if the boob plates got toned down and the battle scars and scariness got turned up.

That's sort of a defining feature. 40k isn't meant to be functional. These are the same people who stick cathedrals on spaceships.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Exorcist kit already includes the Immolator kit, actually. The Immolator is also in plastic.

And I like the Immolator.

Interesting. That is not noted on the website, and I checked before making that post. I was merely stating it for the case of simplicity and consistency.

But then, that would assumes the Rhino would be dropped in favor of the Repressor (which I somewhat hope, I really like it, and I can afford Forgeworld even less than Citadel).

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
These are the same people who stick spaceships on cathedrals.

Fix'd

BrianDavion wrote:

I think chaos players were oddly more bitter though.

I can understand why, sisters players understand that ultimately they ARE just one army among many, chaos is constantly told they're the big bad, they're the uber evil, they're the most important faction other then the IoM...

but not seeing a whole lot of support to indicate it.

That's because they're not, and never were. Chaos is the one feeding them the narrative, but Orks, Tyranids and Necrons are far more wide-spread and pervasive problems. Tyranids hive fleets devour countless worlds before they're ground to a halt. Necrons have weapons that can snuff out stars. Ork Waaaaghs race for centuries on end.

Chaos runs around starting fires before running away and hiding again. It spends more time infighting than anything else, because if there's one thing the Chaos Gods won't tolerate is any other Chaos God gaining an advantage over the others.

 Charistoph wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Exorcist kit already includes the Immolator kit, actually. The Immolator is also in plastic.

And I like the Immolator.

Interesting. That is not noted on the website, and I checked before making that post. I was merely stating it for the case of simplicity and consistency.

But then, that would assumes the Rhino would be dropped in favor of the Repressor (which I somewhat hope, I really like it, and I can afford Forgeworld even less than Citadel).

The Exorcist organ pipes, loading well, and keyboard/organist/ammunition rack assembly sit on top of the upper hull part of the Immolator. The organist stands inside the hole that serves as the Immolator's turret ring, and the loading well with the servitor inside goes within a second hole on the back of the platform, that's usually covered by the big fleur-de-lis hatch on the Immolator.

This superstructure part is actually the only piece that's actually integral to both the Immolator and the Exorcist, but the Exorcist comes with the entire Immolator sprue.

The Exorcist kit isn't actually a complete Immolator kit, though, because it doesn't come with the little clear plastic dome that goes in the Immolator turret. And considering the Exorcist costs $20 more than the Immolator thanks to all those metal bits, you shouldn't be buying it for an Immolator anyway.

Something I would like to see is the art panels on the side of the Exorcist sold separately from the model on an upgrade sprue [and not in metal]. I would buy sets of them for all my tanks, and I could see Grey Knights and Dark Angels players also buying them because they look absolutely awesome.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Exorcist kit already includes the Immolator kit, actually. The Immolator is also in plastic.

And I like the Immolator.

Interesting. That is not noted on the website, and I checked before making that post. I was merely stating it for the case of simplicity and consistency.

But then, that would assumes the Rhino would be dropped in favor of the Repressor (which I somewhat hope, I really like it, and I can afford Forgeworld even less than Citadel).

The Exorcist organ pipes, loading well, and keyboard/organist/ammunition rack assembly sit on top of the upper hull part of the Immolator. The organist stands inside the hole that serves as the Immolator's turret ring, and the loading well with the servitor inside goes within a second hole on the back of the platform, that's usually covered by the big fleur-de-lis hatch on the Immolator.

This superstructure part is actually the only piece that's actually integral to both the Immolator and the Exorcist, but the Exorcist comes with the entire Immolator sprue.

The Exorcist kit isn't actually a complete Immolator kit, though, because it doesn't come with the little clear plastic dome that goes in the Immolator turret. And considering the Exorcist costs $20 more than the Immolator thanks to all those metal bits, you shouldn't be buying it for an Immolator anyway.

Something I would like to see is the art panels on the side of the Exorcist sold separately from the model on an upgrade sprue [and not in metal]. I would buy sets of them for all my tanks, and I could see Grey Knights and Dark Angels players also buying them because they look absolutely awesome.

More to the point, one does not see the Immolator at all on the site... Woops, I see it now, never mind on that point.

Still, we are talking about getting a full plastic kit here, not a hybrid kit. Wouldn't it be more fun to have a plastic Immolator based on the Repressor and let the Exorcist plastic sprue come with a light tank kit?

I would buy up sisters in a heartbeat.

They basically represent everything I like about 40K.

Well they'd go well with catholic Space Marines, so why the feth not?

 Charistoph wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

The Exorcist organ pipes, loading well, and keyboard/organist/ammunition rack assembly sit on top of the upper hull part of the Immolator. The organist stands inside the hole that serves as the Immolator's turret ring, and the loading well with the servitor inside goes within a second hole on the back of the platform, that's usually covered by the big fleur-de-lis hatch on the Immolator.

This superstructure part is actually the only piece that's actually integral to both the Immolator and the Exorcist, but the Exorcist comes with the entire Immolator sprue.

The Exorcist kit isn't actually a complete Immolator kit, though, because it doesn't come with the little clear plastic dome that goes in the Immolator turret. And considering the Exorcist costs $20 more than the Immolator thanks to all those metal bits, you shouldn't be buying it for an Immolator anyway.

Something I would like to see is the art panels on the side of the Exorcist sold separately from the model on an upgrade sprue [and not in metal]. I would buy sets of them for all my tanks, and I could see Grey Knights and Dark Angels players also buying them because they look absolutely awesome.

More to the point, one does not see the Immolator at all on the site... Woops, I see it now, never mind on that point.

Still, we are talking about getting a full plastic kit here, not a hybrid kit. Wouldn't it be more fun to have a plastic Immolator based on the Repressor and let the Exorcist plastic sprue come with a light tank kit?

You've got it backwards, the Exorcist is the medium vehicle [13/11/10] and the Immolator is the light one [11/11/10]. That art it worth it's weight in armor, apparently.

The Repressor is pretty cool, and could definitely share a kit with the Exorcist.

I'm just amazed we got plastic Sisters of Silence ahead of Sororitas. Very surprised. My daughter's been waiting for them but is doing Silent Sisters instead now.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
You've got it backwards, the Exorcist is the medium vehicle [13/11/10] and the Immolator is the light one [11/11/10]. That art it worth it's weight in armor, apparently.

The Repressor is pretty cool, and could definitely share a kit with the Exorcist.

The Repressor shares the same stats as the Rhino and Immolator from every entry I've seen. And technically speaking, they all share the base model hull of the Rhino along with the Vindicator, Predator, Stalker, and Hunter (and a little bit of the Vindicator).

So, no, I don't think having the Exorcist be hooked up with a light tank while the capacity Transport is hooked up to the gun Transport is that backwards.

 Charistoph wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
You've got it backwards, the Exorcist is the medium vehicle [13/11/10] and the Immolator is the light one [11/11/10]. That art it worth it's weight in armor, apparently.

The Repressor is pretty cool, and could definitely share a kit with the Exorcist.

The Repressor shares the same stats as the Rhino and Immolator from every entry I've seen. And technically speaking, they all share the base model hull of the Rhino along with the Vindicator, Predator, Stalker, and Hunter (and a little bit of the Vindicator).

So, no, I don't think having the Exorcist be hooked up with a light tank while the capacity Transport is hooked up to the gun Transport is that backwards.

Repressor is AV13/11/10, just like the Exorcist.

However, as I mentioned, what we really need is a FlaK tank. I'm tired of basically having nothing to do when I see a FMC-spam list.

As a random observation on the matter, I like the solid weight the metal Exorcist has.

Edit: Also tired IRL, and need to sleep. I can't type right.

It's 13/11/10 comes with a dozer blade, heavy flamer, and storm bolter standard. It's as hearty a vehicle as the exorcist

I wouldn't be surprised if flyer rules get changed or removed entirely anyway.

As an IG player, I actually might buy a box or two if they were released in plastic, seeing as it looks like they'll be in the same book as my army. Easier and imo cooler way to get some bolters and power armor in an Imperium force. By the same token, combining the books may tempt me into getting a little AdMech or a Knight.

Just how having IG units and the Xenos II index for my Orks might get me into GSC, and from there maybe even into Nids.

...Hm, This multiple factions per book may be one of GW's greatest ideas ever, unfortunately for my wallet.

 Fafnir wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if flyer rules get changed or removed entirely anyway.

Changed, yes, removed, no. Flyers have their own Role in the new game.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Repressor is AV13/11/10, just like the Exorcist.

Apparently it is now. When it was first introduced, though, it was a Rhino with more Fire Points.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
However, as I mentioned, what we really need is a FlaK tank. I'm tired of basically having nothing to do when I see a FMC-spam list.

No argument there. Of course, if we want to get really serious about the whole thing, what we should see is the loss of the Immolator in favor of the Razorback, the Exorcist for the Whirlwind, and gain the Predator, Stalker, and Hunter lines for the sake of consistency.

Though, I'd still rather see the Repressor made by Citadel (especially if Forgeworld doesn't seem to be making it anymore), plastic Immolator and Exorcist, and an actual light tank to go along with their unique take on an AA tank.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
As a random observation on the matter, I like the solid weight the metal Exorcist has.

Metal is nice for lending weight, but it is also expensive to maintain, and who knows when they will begin dropping it.

 Charistoph wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if flyer rules get changed or removed entirely anyway.

Changed, yes, removed, no. Flyers have their own Role in the new game.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Repressor is AV13/11/10, just like the Exorcist.

Apparently it is now. When it was first introduced, though, it was a Rhino with more Fire Points.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
However, as I mentioned, what we really need is a FlaK tank. I'm tired of basically having nothing to do when I see a FMC-spam list.

No argument there. Of course, if we want to get really serious about the whole thing, what we should see is the loss of the Immolator in favor of the Razorback, the Exorcist for the Whirlwind, and gain the Predator, Stalker, and Hunter lines for the sake of consistency.

Though, I'd still rather see the Repressor made by Citadel (especially if Forgeworld doesn't seem to be making it anymore), plastic Immolator and Exorcist, and an actual light tank to go along with their unique take on an AA tank.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
As a random observation on the matter, I like the solid weight the metal Exorcist has.

Metal is nice for lending weight, but it is also expensive to maintain, and who knows when they will begin dropping it.

No, we shouldn't, because that would make us just space marines with -4STR.

Exorcist isn't comparable to the Whirlwind. It's comparable to a Predator Annihilator.

The Immolator is already a fully plastic kit, as I mentioned. A Repressor would be nice because a medium transport would work well with Dominions and take the heat off of my Exorcists.

I'd love some if only for the option of customising them easily, or including a squad or two into some other armies, or running a SWA Kill Team of em.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
No, we shouldn't, because that would make us just space marines with -4STR.

Umm... No. An army isn't defined solely by its Vehicles, and I think you have the -# wrong.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Exorcist isn't comparable to the Whirlwind. It's comparable to a Predator Annihilator.

It's a rocket launcher. I admit it's output is probably closer to the Annihilator, though, if it could take sponsons.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
The Immolator is already a fully plastic kit, as I mentioned.

The website states that the Immolator is a plastic and resin kit.

This multi-part plastic and resin kit contains the components necessary to assemble an Immolator, armed with a twin-linked heavy flamer, heavy bolter or multi-melta.

It would be awkward if they were lying.

The immolator itself is an entirely plastic kit. Maybe the bubble dome thing is resin? That sounds silly though..However yeah, everything in the kit is plastic otherwise.

 mmzero252 wrote:
The immolator itself is an entirely plastic kit. Maybe the bubble dome thing is resin? That sounds silly though..However yeah, everything in the kit is plastic otherwise.

So Games Workshop is lying on its website?

 Charistoph wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
The immolator itself is an entirely plastic kit. Maybe the bubble dome thing is resin? That sounds silly though..However yeah, everything in the kit is plastic otherwise.

So Games Workshop is lying on its website?

Or they forgot to change the description.

On topic: I've voted no since I gave up on GW delivering anything of the like and went with the Raging Heroes kickstarter instead. I don't plan on mixing both GW and RH as they're distinctly different.

Perhaps the little clear piece is resin.

Edit: Now that I'm looking at it, it probably is resin. It's got the same quasi-trapezoidal gate/vent thing that things from forgeworld have.

I'm working on one right now. Here's a picture of what comes in the Immolator box.



Obviously, the tank doesn't come half assembled. The three spaces on the unique sprue where things have been cut off were where the superstructure, hatch cover for the second hole in the superstructure, and hedgerow plow were.

Also, it's not naturally shiny, it's the same grey plastic GW uses almost everywhere. I've airburshed a bunch of stuff silver.

If GW does someday the plastic sisters, I crave for some new type of units...

Something like elite spear-wielding Sisters? With winged helmets. Dark Angels taked that lesson well: Theres no helmet that don't look cooler with wings.

Ignore the wings, something like this is what I'm talking about:

No! Please no more feathers to paint!

 Luciferian wrote:
No! Please no more feathers to paint!

60% of my Dark Angels have wings in their helmets! Did you know how many Balthasars have I buyed from the Dark Vengeance set?
You faith is not strong enough!

My dark Angels look something like this, but with feathered wings

I'm just demoralized from working through about 25 Ravenwing bikes :(

You're going to be even more demoralized when it is revealed that the Dark Angels have secretly been worshipping Tzeentch.

8th Edition Ravenwing is going to be birdmen wearing winged helmets riding daemonic raven monsters.

A little bird told me this, so I know it's true.

That would actually be pretty bad ass, but I would have to start something else first.

 Galas wrote:
If GW does someday the plastic sisters, I crave for some new type of units...

Something like elite spear-wielding Sisters? With winged helmets. Dark Angels taked that lesson well: Theres no helmet that don't look cooler with wings.

Ignore the wings, something like this is what I'm talking about:

Spoiler:

Good god, I had no idea I wanted this so much.

Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

 Luciferian wrote:
That would actually be pretty bad ass, but I would have to start something else first.

The thing I really like about 40k is that it is nearly impossible to think of something that's too over the top.

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Because you can't judge how well models will sell if you don't make models. Space marines sell because they are plastic and affordable. Sisters don't sell that well because they are nearly all sold separately, made of pewter, are old models, rules haven't been updated, and haven't been given a real rules update in years and years

 mmzero252 wrote:
Because you can't judge how well models will sell if you don't make models. Space marines sell because they are plastic and affordable. Sisters don't sell that well because they are nearly all sold separately, made of pewter, are old models, rules haven't been updated, and haven't been given a real rules update in years and years

I fail to see how that addresses that the hypothetical plastic SoB are less popular then the new marines.

How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?


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 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

14%. Look at the ranges, look at the quality of sculpts, look at the pricing look at what material they're made of and then really think if 14% is a meaningful margin in this case.

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.


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 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

14%. Look at the ranges, look at the quality of sculpts, look at the pricing look at what material they're made of and then really think if 14% is a meaningful margin in this case.

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.


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 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
How do you know they are less popular? Polls on dakka sure typically isolated cases "Do you like this? Yes? No?" "Would you but this? Yes? No?" There's no data to say plastic sisters are less popular. By default space marines are popular because they are always updated and given new models more than anything else

Tradito ran a poll saying would you buy the new SM models and it got 86% of people saying they would buy it a week ago with a similar sample size I fail to see why I can not draw conclusions from this data as well the size could be bigger 250 is enough to extrapolate from a bit.

14%. Look at the ranges, look at the quality of sculpts, look at the pricing look at what material they're made of and then really think if 14% is a meaningful margin in this case.

Gamesworkshop is not a charity they only exist to make money by selling toys. When we start talking in the millions of dollars of models that 14% could be 1.4 million easily so yes 14% is a meaningful margin.

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.

Well, considering that they haven't had a major release in 20 years and GW sweeps them under the carpet like some dirty secret, no wonder they don't sell well. It's likely that most of GW's target audience today barely even knows they exist.

 Fafnir wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
Something to note is traditos poll asking are you going to get the new marines had 80% of people Say they will so I gota say it looks like new marines were the better investment.

Twas not a matter of 'better' only a matter of 'good'. And Sisters of battle are a good investment.

I fail to see how it is not a matter of making the better selling models they only have so many modelers and their goal is to make money.

Your argument doesn't make any sense. Basically what you're saying is that because marines sell better than sisters they should only ever make marines. But that's true of EVERY non-marine army. Should they discontinue Nids, Eldar, DE, GSC, Necrins, Tau, daemons, GK (not one of the better SM sellers), harlies, INQ, IG, etc, etc, etc because they don't sell as well as marines?

No however I have a suspicion that every race sells better then SoB did and if we did a poll for any race that has not gotten new models for a bit it would pull better numbers then the SoB one.

Well, considering that they haven't had a major release in 20 years and GW sweeps them under the carpet like some dirty secret, no wonder they don't sell well. It's likely that most of GW's target audience today barely even knows they exist.

Been waiting for plastic sisters long enough to quit the game three times now, Every time i come back i look at the sisters army.

Yeh. But they're not coming.

Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

 mew28 wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:
Because you can't judge how well models will sell if you don't make models. Space marines sell because they are plastic and affordable. Sisters don't sell that well because they are nearly all sold separately, made of pewter, are old models, rules haven't been updated, and haven't been given a real rules update in years and years

I fail to see how that addresses that the hypothetical plastic SoB are less popular then the new marines.

Literally everything else in the game is less popular than new marines. Or indeed old marines. Or slightly different marines made out of resin. Should GW only ever make plastic Marines from now on?

The question is not "will they outsell Marines", it's "will they make enough back over their development and tooling costs to be worthwhile" and it's fairly obvious that the answer to the latter question would be "yes, easily" because we live in a world where GW can rake in a fortune from brand new monopose sculpts that only show up in boxed games for ages, or from whole new ranges developed from a faction as previously goofy and forgotten as GSCult.

Even with a really limited release like GSCult - 10 SoB multikit(covering SoB, Celestians, Dominions, Retributors), 5 Seraphim box, Canoness blister, Rhino chassis multikit(Rhino, Immolator, Exorcist) - they'd do well. If GW went whole-hog and gave them a Cult+Skitarii scale revamp as the Ecclesiarchy, with all sorts of mental new Priestly character models, big box of plastic Frateris, Repentia(ideally with a slightly less overt "bondage nuns" component - subtext GW, not giant flashing neon text in comic sans), arco-flagellants etc I wager they'd do even better.

For myself, in the first case I'd grab an allied force, and in the second would probably have to remortgage.

I would buy the gak out of them if they ever came out.
Hell, plastic sisters are one of the few things that would get me buying from GW again, but the chances are we will not see them as GW has it stuck in their head that the Sisters do not sell, somehow unable to see how £55+ for ten 20 year old figures could possible have a negative impact on sales.

My entire Sister of Battle army is 2e metal. Of course I would buy new plastics!

SJ

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I can answer for them they always say the same thing.
“Hey NenkotaMoon we haven't heard of new SoB model yet but be sure to watch this space as we will tell you here is they come.”

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I can answer for them they always say the same thing.
“Hey NenkotaMoon we haven't heard of new SoB model yet but be sure to watch this space as we will tell you here is they come.”

Are you the GW facebook guy?!

I wouldn't buy an entire army, but I would totally buy a unit or two to use.

Edit - as long as they're actually armored and not half naked.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I did a few days ago, no reply. Not even a cheeky nod.


So I went and ended up placing an order for some of Grishnak's 'War Maidens' instead, straight from my "In Case of Sisters Break Glass" fund. And if this first squad does well, I'll start buying more with that same fund until it's all dried up. Because if GW doesn't want my money, someone else can have it.

They would definitely be profitable. Everyone talks about how they don't sell but it's been my entire life never seeing them on the shelf of a game store so how would they even know? That's the biggest problem with the stats on if they sell- everone just gets them off ebay instead of gw site for whatever reason.

I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

That and being so ludicrously over priced that they make regular GW mini's seem reasonable, and them also being 20 year old sculpts.

The girlfriend would play if she could buy plastic Sisters.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

That and being so ludicrously over priced that they make regular GW mini's seem reasonable, and them also being 20 year old sculpts.

One of my sisters, painted and assembled weighs about an ounce on my scale. Tin is about $10 per pound, and pewter is primarily tin, so her raw materials run about $0.75. Right now, I can buy 5 more of her for $35, which sets the price I pay at about $7.00 per model.

Looking around online, it costs about $1.50 to $2.00 per figure for long term production of pewter models.

In addition, all the metal sisters are cast in GW's main factory in England, if I remember correctly. They have a US plant, but I think it only does plastics.

They're not really that bad, considering the raw materials and manufacturing cost of each Imperial Guardsman box is negligible yet I pay $30 for it.



Also, Sisters are 12 points/model and $35 for 5. Guardsmen are 5 points/model and $30 for 10, so I'm not doing that badly playing Sisters!

We're not cost efficient. I think Grey Knights probably win that competition, but we're about the same cost to play as it costs to play Imperial Guard or Tyranids or Orks.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I think the bigger contributor to Sisters not selling is us being webstore exclusive.

It's easier to impulse buy things when you see them in the store, but when I'm buying from the webstore I stop and work out exactly what I need in what quantity for my next army expansion project to make sure I don't overspend.

That and being so ludicrously over priced that they make regular GW mini's seem reasonable, and them also being 20 year old sculpts.

One of my sisters, painted and assembled weighs about an ounce on my scale. Tin is about $10 per pound, and pewter is primarily tin, so her raw materials run about $0.75. Right now, I can buy 5 more of her for $35, which sets the price I pay at about $7.00 per model.

Looking around online, it costs about $1.50 to $2.00 per figure for long term production of pewter models.

In addition, all the metal sisters are cast in GW's main factory in England, if I remember correctly. They have a US plant, but I think it only does plastics.

They're not really that bad, considering the raw materials and manufacturing cost of each Imperial Guardsman box is negligible yet I pay $30 for it.



Also, Sisters are 12 points/model and $35 for 5. Guardsmen are 5 points/model and $30 for 10, so I'm not doing that badly playing Sisters!

We're not cost efficient. I think Grey Knights probably win that competition, but we're about the same cost to play as it costs to play Imperial Guard or Tyranids or Orks.

An army of Sisters of Battle is actually cheaper that fielding a Genestealer Cult army, without recurring to ebay and Deatwathc Overkill boxes.

in the new edition being abel to slot them in anywhere cheaper power armor objective holders and/ of access to their meltas and missile shooting organ rhinos would be nice,.
have said it before, will say it again I dislike metal models but if sisters came out in plastic I would buy at least their start collecting box equivilant and likely pick up a squad a month until I had at least a 2k point army.

 Fafnir wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Any ever message the guy on Facebook, seems pretty open about telling us what is coming in 40k?

I did a few days ago, no reply. Not even a cheeky nod.


So I went and ended up placing an order for some of Grishnak's 'War Maidens' instead, straight from my "In Case of Sisters Break Glass" fund. And if this first squad does well, I'll start buying more with that same fund until it's all dried up. Because if GW doesn't want my money, someone else can have it.

I picked up several squads from Grishnark - lovely models - very happy.

If GW can't be bothered then F them I'll buy elsewhere

I have emailed Grishnark too
At least something is gonna come from this thread.
Did you know how many €/$ he ask for a squad of 10 or 20? I have email him, but to know now.

EDIT: NP, he has answer me already. A little pricey, but very good models!

Cheaper than GW's metals.

 Fafnir wrote:
Cheaper than GW's metals.

It would be harder to get more expensive.

Expensive for over 20 year old models that are outdated.

I would have and still might, but I sold off my sisters because I got fed up with the waiting.

At this point I think we may see a full range of plastic Sisters of Silence before Sisters of Battle get anything else.

SoS are now a distinct faction in 40K plus they have crossover to HH. I just saw the ofthe new FW vehicle for SoS.

I am nonplussed by GW''s seeming to go out of their way to do anything rather than a full re-release in plastic.

They re-did Dark Eldar...who at the time were quite rarely played (and have since given them a few more plastics and a couple of supplements )

They pulled GSC out of the vault of antiquity. ..seemingly trusting the 'I would play GSC if GW re-did them' folks

I have played and loved both those armies but consider them something of a risk.

Stuff like Harlies and DW I understand. ..but evenue so...

It's as if there is a prophesy scrawled in a basement at GW headquarters telling of terrible consequences should a full line of SOB ever be released.

Perhaps Old GW saw them in the same way it saw Slaanesh. Not quite sure how or wha to do with either of them.

I hope that Celestine''s appearance can be taken as a positive sign but with GW adding a *fourth* faction of Eldar, the possibility that GW will spend the next couple of years converting the existing Marine ranges to Primaris scale (while maybe doing plastic Legion of the Damned) I remain sceptical.

It's a pity because I believe they could make an interesting and lovely new range of models.

One problem that I think GW has with the SoB is that while they encapsulate the absolute best and most extreme aesthetic and fluffy qualities of 40k's original dark humour and overall silliness, GW themselves have started to lose their understanding of their own world's irony. Just look at the direction that most of the fluff has gone in over the better part of this past decade. It seems no one in the writing staff is in on the joke anymore.

From the lens of someone looking in from an angle devoid of that crucial humour, the Sisters might come off as being weird and absurd to the point of discomfort. A bunch of power-armoured, crazed BDSM fanatic nuns is something so distinctly 40k that it's lost upon a modern era that's lost sight of 40k's original sense of spirit.

I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

And they could also say no, but change their minds later, too.

But given the sample size, I think this is a fairly accurate representation.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

It's interesting that this kind of skepticism only ever comes out when talking about sisters. No one said things like this in the Numarine poll, which had very comparable numbers. Infact, people seemed convinced that Numarines would sell so well that old marines would die out entirely.

Wonder why that is...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

 Souleater wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

Because they have forgotten about them?
I mean, I can honestly see Celestine's renewal being some designers looking for a cool iconic Imperial figure to throw in the box and someone saying "hey, wasnt there that living saint we did at one point? You know, the one who appeared at times of crisis to save the Imperial forces and was all mysterious and cool?" and then everyone sort of agreeing and deciding to make her, and only the fluff writers remembering that she was actually a SoB character.

 Souleater wrote:


All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I think the problem of Sisters of Battle isn't linked to the risk of re-doing their model line and its cost. GW has taken similar risks with Dark Eldars, Harlequins, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and even Taus back in the late third eddition. Games-Workshop is a pretty big company it has enough assets and a large enough player base to fail and get back on its feet.

The main problem of Sisters is that there is two ways to present them and, in the future, expand their faction and one big overall design choice to make. The overall design choice is pretty simple, should they make an Ecclesiarchy Army Codex that will contain Sisters of Battle, but also plenty of other choices like Fraters Militia, Penitent Engines, Archo-Flagellant, priests, inquisitors, Deathcult Assassins or should they make a Sister of Battle only Codex.

Once this is decided, how should Sister be presented? Should they be holy warriors with a strong saintly and angelic thematic? This means that Celestine becomes a paragon and other Sisters of Battle are all holy and "perfect", but to a lesser degree. This would mean more Sisters in power armor or artificier armor with angel design and power swords and spear, a fluff that focus more on their excellence, their bravery and their purity, etc. One the other side, should they be presented as religious zealots of a hate cult? This means Celestine becomes, the "presentable" side of the Sisters of Battle who are all hateful zealots, with an uncompromising faith and a repentent theology. This would mean more grim units like Repentia, "darker weapons" like giant chainswords and crazy flamers and flails.

I think that's the core of the issue, GW staff and development team can't agree on how to answer those questions.

Meanwhile we are stuck in the middle.

Well, if the middle is a muddled mess of indecisiveness and neglect...

epronovost wrote:

 Souleater wrote:


All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I think the problem of Sisters of Battle isn't linked to the risk of re-doing their model line and its cost. GW has taken similar risks with Dark Eldars, Harlequins, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and even Taus back in the late third eddition. Games-Workshop is a pretty big company it has enough assets and a large enough player base to fail and get back on its feet.

The main problem of Sisters is that there is two ways to present them and, in the future, expand their faction and one big overall design choice to make. The overall design choice is pretty simple, should they make an Ecclesiarchy Army Codex that will contain Sisters of Battle, but also plenty of other choices like Fraters Militia, Penitent Engines, Archo-Flagellant, priests, inquisitors, Deathcult Assassins or should they make a Sister of Battle only Codex.

The thing is, though, that Sisters of Battle are NOT any more monolithic than Space Marines. You'll get orders of sisters that are all about guarding pilgrims, other orders that are all about killing heretics. Because the Ecclesiarchy itself isn't monolithic - or even monotheistic, at least in a sense where they have one standard doctrine everywhere - either. There are probably tens of thousands of different ways to worship the Master of Mankind on a million worlds.

The real trick is to jigger the army so that if you want to leave the 'darker' elements out of your SoB list, you can without losing necessary functionality. Which means it needs some redundancy, but that's fine.

Yes, I would buy three squads (Sister, Retributor & Repentia) and a new full plastic Exorcist. You just got to love the idea of a church organ used as a missile launcher. That´s the kind of humour that got me into 40K.

epronovost wrote:

 Souleater wrote:


All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I think the problem of Sisters of Battle isn't linked to the risk of re-doing their model line and its cost. GW has taken similar risks with Dark Eldars, Harlequins, Adeptus Mechanicus, Genestealer Cult and even Taus back in the late third eddition. Games-Workshop is a pretty big company it has enough assets and a large enough player base to fail and get back on its feet.

The main problem of Sisters is that there is two ways to present them and, in the future, expand their faction and one big overall design choice to make. The overall design choice is pretty simple, should they make an Ecclesiarchy Army Codex that will contain Sisters of Battle, but also plenty of other choices like Fraters Militia, Penitent Engines, Archo-Flagellant, priests, inquisitors, Deathcult Assassins or should they make a Sister of Battle only Codex.

Once this is decided, how should Sister be presented? Should they be holy warriors with a strong saintly and angelic thematic? This means that Celestine becomes a paragon and other Sisters of Battle are all holy and "perfect", but to a lesser degree. This would mean more Sisters in power armor or artificier armor with angel design and power swords and spear, a fluff that focus more on their excellence, their bravery and their purity, etc. One the other side, should they be presented as religious zealots of a hate cult? This means Celestine becomes, the "presentable" side of the Sisters of Battle who are all hateful zealots, with an uncompromising faith and a repentent theology. This would mean more grim units like Repentia, "darker weapons" like giant chainswords and crazy flamers and flails.

I think that's the core of the issue, GW staff and development team can't agree on how to answer those questions.

We can be both. We're both the purest of the pure, holy warriors blessed by the Emperor, and we're zealots of a cult of hate with a fixation on martyrdom. They're synonymous in 40k.

With the Imperium as it is, one begets the other.

Me, I like my Sisters to be paladins of the faith, as well-- holy knights with powered armor, chainswords, and boltguns. But the faith demands retribution.

What model line actively represents the grim darkness of the 41st millennium more than the sisters range?

If you look at most armies you can't really see it. Sure space marines undergo horrendous training and surgeries and the dreadnaught is a walking coffin- but you do t see these in the models. It's just guys in power armour as with most armies.

The sisters "outdated model" capture the essence of imperial 40k better than most new models today imo because these models are 20 years old.

Look at the Psyker from the witch hunter inquisitors box. Today it's cool to be a psykers but it takes the inquisition and ecclesiarchy to remind us that to be born a psykers is to be born a crime. This poor bugger is chained up, his existence reduced to nothing more than foaming at the mouth and serving as a psychic lightening rod and you see that in the model. Just think, Tigurius or Mephiston could easily have been reduced to this guy if not snatched up by the astartes.

Arco flaggelants have had their arms ripped off and replaced unartistically with weapons and reduced to war hounds.

Poor buggers in the penitent engines have tubes and what have you crammed into their skulls and body and injected with crazy juice, forced to relive their crimes. Walking along the penitent engine storage corridor at night isn't nice and quiet like a dreadnaught store. It's filled with screams and insanity.

Guy on the back of the exorcist, body torn apart to be nothing more than a loading arm? That used to be Jimmy.

Life is cheap in the imperium and the consequence for disobedience and heresy is always on display.

Outdated models? Maybe. But they are one of the last few vestiges of old 40k. In my humble opinion...

 Melissia wrote:
With the Imperium as it is, one begets the other.

Me, I like my Sisters to be paladins of the faith, as well-- holy knights with powered armor, chainswords, and boltguns. But the faith demands retribution.

I personally like the idea of sisters as sort of a mirrored reflection of khornate cultists. They throw themselves forward with abandon and don't stop, tire, or fear until either they or the enemy is dead. A group of sisters descending onto your ranks should feel pretty similar to a group of Khorne Berserkers attacking only with flamers and meltas instead of chainaxes.

ERJAK wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

It's interesting that this kind of skepticism only ever comes out when talking about sisters. No one said things like this in the Numarine poll, which had very comparable numbers. Infact, people seemed convinced that Numarines would sell so well that old marines would die out entirely.

Wonder why that is...

Where was the "would you buy NuMarines" poll? I must have missed it, feel free to point me in that direction and I'll be happy to post the same thing there if the results seem equally unrealistic.

Though I would say as a proportion I could believe more people who be likely to buy NuMarines than Sisters because a huge swathe of the community already collects Space Marines of some variety.

But either way my post wasn't about Sisters specifically, it was about people having an overinflated idea of what they'd actually buy versus what they do actually buy when it's released.

Souleater wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I don't know how any of that has anything to do with what I said. I just reckon no where near 71% of the community is going to buy plastic sisters.

I made no comment on whether I thought GW would make money off Sisters or whether they'd do as well or better or worse than all those other things you mentioned.

The only thing I will say about Sister's financial success, there was a time when Sisters were new and fresh and priced similar to other GW products, it may be so long ago other people here don't remember it, but I can only imagine they didn't do tremendously well back then otherwise GW would have put more effort in to releasing plastics for them. That's not to say they wouldn't be popular now and wouldn't be popular with plastics, but I think maaaaaybe part of the reason Sisters haven't had an update is they didn't sell well back in the dark days of 2nd/3rd edition when they first came out.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

It's interesting that this kind of skepticism only ever comes out when talking about sisters. No one said things like this in the Numarine poll, which had very comparable numbers. Infact, people seemed convinced that Numarines would sell so well that old marines would die out entirely.

Wonder why that is...

Where was the "would you buy NuMarines" poll? I must have missed it, feel free to point me in that direction and I'll be happy to post the same thing there if the results seem equally unrealistic.

Though I would say as a proportion I could believe more people who be likely to buy NuMarines than Sisters because a huge swathe of the community already collects Space Marines of some variety.

But either way my post wasn't about Sisters specifically, it was about people having an overinflated idea of what they'd actually buy versus what they do actually buy when it's released.

Souleater wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I never believe polls like this. For one, there should be a "maybe" choice. For two, people always SAY they'd buy something but when it actually comes to putting their money down they often don't.

...and yet GW re-did the awful 3rd edition Dark Eldar...

...resurrected the GSC. ...

...start Sos (who are also now getting FW support)

All of which makes me think that GW have some other reason for not taking similar risks with SOB.

I don't know how any of that has anything to do with what I said. I just reckon no where near 71% of the community is going to buy plastic sisters.

I made no comment on whether I thought GW would make money off Sisters or whether they'd do as well or better or worse than all those other things you mentioned.

The only thing I will say about Sister's financial success, there was a time when Sisters were new and fresh and priced similar to other GW products, it may be so long ago other people here don't remember it, but I can only imagine they didn't do tremendously well back then otherwise GW would have put more effort in to releasing plastics for them. That's not to say they wouldn't be popular now and wouldn't be popular with plastics, but I think maaaaaybe part of the reason Sisters haven't had an update is they didn't sell well back in the dark days of 2nd/3rd edition when they first came out.

The numarine poll was the poster's attempt to validate the idea that people wouldn't buy numarines out of spite that blew up in his face. And it was about 81% yay. I'm also pretty sure it got locked after a while cause, yunno, internet.

Did you...did you think it would be 71% of the community? Like as a whole? Or that we thought that? Rofl no! No, what the poll results say is that 71% of people who have at least enough interest in SoB to make two mouse clicks would be willing to throw money down on them.

I'd buy some. Likely not a whole army, but definitely some.

However given that the "Plastic Sisters of Battle" alluded to in that community video have been released (without prompt follow up), I don't like my chances of there being any more anytime soon.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


I don't know how any of that has anything to do with what I said. I just reckon no where near 71% of the community is going to buy plastic sisters.

...there was a time when Sisters were new and fresh and priced similar to other GW products...but I can only imagine they didn't do tremendously well back then otherwise GW would have put more effort in to releasing plastics for them.

You'll forgive my paraphrasing,I hope.

I agree with you that the majority of folks aren't going to pick up new SOB. I was using your point to hang the question: why have some armies been given a second chance yet not others? I then cited some examples.


Just to expand on those: Dark Eldar sold very poorly despite being in the 3rd Edition Starter Set. Yet GW invested a huge amount of resources in updating almost the entire line into plastics and Finecast. GSC had an ironically cult following despite being long out of print. But GW thought it was worth their time to give them updated plastics and rules.

On the other hand we have the Squats. Who GW got so fed up with people asking for them to be redone that they irritably wrote them out of the background. Which kind of puzzles me. You have folks that would have thrown money, kidneys and first born children at the Demiurg but GW wasn't interested in meeting that demand.

Maybe the design team didn't want to work on some things but did on others. Perhaps it was pressure from upper management. While there are economic arguments to be made I would draw the reader's attention to the dramatic change in company practices of GW when a new head took over.

I was not actually addressing your point.

 Pendix wrote:
I'd buy some. Likely not a whole army, but definitely some.

However given that the "Plastic Sisters of Battle" alluded to in that community video have been released (without prompt follow up), I don't like my chances of there being any more anytime soon.

Hmm.well technically we have had plastic sisters within that 'few months' window alluded to in the video - Saint Cee and her companions. I am hoping that we see an actual full-blown release of a plastic SoB range but I suspect that for the next couple of years the release schedule is going to be full as they re-do the Chaos Marines and turn the existing Space Marine kits into Primaris Marine variants. Still, I see it as a hopeful sign. They could have put in an IG hero or something instead. Maybe it was a test and they have been monitoring eBay to see what they go for...


And yes, Sisters can be burning beacons of protection and salvation to the faithful while being holy terrors to their enemies (and the faithful).


Keep the Faith.

Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

I know they kicked themselves about how they handled 'space dwarfs'...hence my use of the term 'Demiurg'. Fresh new ideas, total change to an actual Xenos race, etc.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

ERJAK wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

Nope, most of the display was just missing for the whole show except for one or two models. They never were put back or even showed up, just a sign and a few helmeted sisters and one rhino, with a giant blank space right in the middle of the display.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

Nope, most of the display was just missing for the whole show except for one or two models. They never were put back or even showed up, just a sign and a few helmeted sisters and one rhino, with a giant blank space right in the middle of the display.

Sister's squatted confirmed?

We have screenshots of the new Sisters rules. So... no.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Squats weren't economic but lore wise. Believing that they (GW) hadn't done them, properly. To say SoB aren't being redone due to potential sales is rather untrue, as both Dark Eldar and GSC sold apparently even less than they Sister's during 3E. That was until their revamp. Honestly, I think it is sculpts.

To note rumor mill, a large chunk of GWs showcase for them in Nottingham was missing awhile ago during a con, could be something?

Probably just a photoshoot for 8th. The tyranid article had SoB in it and I would bet the SoB/agents of the imperium article used some too.

Nope, most of the display was just missing for the whole show except for one or two models. They never were put back or even showed up, just a sign and a few helmeted sisters and one rhino, with a giant blank space right in the middle of the display.

Sister's squatted confirmed?

Nope, I'm guessing it's probably for photoshoots and they'll be back on display. If they left a few up, and those few are infantry, I doubt they're replacing the display with new models.

Why was this thread brought back after a month of no posts on it?

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Why was this thread brought back after a month of no posts on it?

The thread is 9 days old.

I wouldn't but that's because the rule leaks for them make them look pretty bad for me.

pm713 wrote:
I wouldn't but that's because the rule leaks for them make them look pretty bad for me.

I think we'll manage okay. I can see potential in our assault troops, and our ranged troops aren't significantly inferior to their current standing.

The army is definitely gonna play different, that's for sure.

It's basically the same, but now we have to have more psuedo-characters thrown in the mix and a couple of our melee options are reasonably costed...just not penitent engines..

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I wouldn't but that's because the rule leaks for them make them look pretty bad for me.

I think we'll manage okay. I can see potential in our assault troops, and our ranged troops aren't significantly inferior to their current standing.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you only get one AoF per turn now right?

pm713 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I wouldn't but that's because the rule leaks for them make them look pretty bad for me.

I think we'll manage okay. I can see potential in our assault troops, and our ranged troops aren't significantly inferior to their current standing.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you only get one AoF per turn now right?

One naturally on a 2+, one from Celestine automatically, and can buy Imagifiers for additional 4+ chances a turn for 40 points each.

 Souleater wrote:
Just to expand on those: Dark Eldar sold very poorly despite being in the 3rd Edition Starter Set. Yet GW invested a huge amount of resources in updating almost the entire line into plastics and Finecast.

What's "very poorly"? Do we have any idea how poorly it sold? Can we put a number on it? I don't think GW have ever shared their numbers except for the Chapterhouse case, and if I recall correctly those numbers don't go back as far as 3rd edition.

We have no way of comparing the poorness of DE sales in 3rd to the poorness of Sisters sales in 2nd/3rd.

FWIW I saw lots of DE armies back in 3rd

GSC had an ironically cult following despite being long out of print. But GW thought it was worth their time to give them updated plastics and rules.

And again, who knows how well it sold back in the day? Especially when considered as part of the smaller community back then. The GW customer base grew massively through the 90's, I reckon you could make the argument that it's demographic may have slightly shifted between the GSC and Sister's releases, but the GW customer base has remained much the same size since the late 90's when Sister's were first released, you could still make the argument that demographics have shifted, but I think it's probably a harder argument to make.

I was not actually addressing your point.

Fair enough.

 n0t_u wrote:
I would have and still might, but I sold off my sisters because I got fed up with the waiting.

Honestly thinking about that as well but might keep enough for swa for now.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I wouldn't but that's because the rule leaks for them make them look pretty bad for me.

I think we'll manage okay. I can see potential in our assault troops, and our ranged troops aren't significantly inferior to their current standing.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you only get one AoF per turn now right?

One naturally on a 2+, one from Celestine automatically, and can buy Imagifiers for additional 4+ chances a turn for 40 points each.

Honestly that seems a lot less reliable than now which is a bit of an issue for me where the main thing was AoF spam.

pm713 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

pm713 wrote:
I wouldn't but that's because the rule leaks for them make them look pretty bad for me.

I think we'll manage okay. I can see potential in our assault troops, and our ranged troops aren't significantly inferior to their current standing.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you only get one AoF per turn now right?

One naturally on a 2+, one from Celestine automatically, and can buy Imagifiers for additional 4+ chances a turn for 40 points each.

Honestly that seems a lot less reliable than now which is a bit of an issue for me where the main thing was AoF spam.

Well right now it's "each unit can do this thing once per game", so at least on the small scale, this is a definite improvement. On the large scale, there's serious falloff in power though.

Yeah, this is a pretty badly designed system.

Actually, if you can have more acts of Faith per turn if you bring a specific model, is a scalable system. In a 1000 army maybe you bring one imagifiers. In 2000 points maybe you bring 4.

They aren't as reliable as before but is not true that the system isn't scalable.

 Galas wrote:
Actually, if you can have more acts of Faith per turn if you bring a specific model, is a scalable system. In a 1000 army maybe you bring one imagifiers. In 2000 points maybe you bring 4.

They aren't as reliable as before but is not true that the system isn't scalable.

An imagifier is a 40 point expenditure to get a 50% chance of getting an act of faith which can be given to a unit within 6" of the imagifier, if the imagifier lives. So for the cost of more than four battle sisters, you can maybe sometimes get an additional act of faith if you're lucky and your opponent hasn't killed your imagifier, who is a character and thus cannot join other squads and can be sniped. OH BUT DON'T WORRY! If you want them to survive (because shooting the imagifier and getting a mortal wound on a character is much easier than taking out a battle sister squad), you can always stick them near a more expensive Celestian squad and have THEM take hits instead! That way you're spending even MORE points on it!

Yes, it is, on a very technical and pedantic level, scaling. It's not very good scaling, which is the point.

 Melissia wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Actually, if you can have more acts of Faith per turn if you bring a specific model, is a scalable system. In a 1000 army maybe you bring one imagifiers. In 2000 points maybe you bring 4.

They aren't as reliable as before but is not true that the system isn't scalable.

An imagifier is a 40 point expenditure to get a 50% chance of getting an act of faith which can be given to a unit within 6" of the imagifier, if the imagifier lives. So for the cost of more than four battle sisters, you can maybe sometimes get an additional act of faith if you're lucky and your opponent hasn't killed your imagifier, who is a character and thus cannot join other squads and can be sniped. OH BUT DON'T WORRY! If you want them to survive (because shooting the imagifier and getting a mortal wound on a character is much easier than taking out a battle sister squad), you can always stick them near a more expensive Celestian squad and have THEM take hits instead! That way you're spending even MORE points on it!

Yes, it is, on a very technical and pedantic level, scaling. It's not very good scaling, which is the point.

Notably, a Battle Sisters Squad with Meltaguns totals up to 79 points. For 40 points more, they can have a 50% chance of manifesting firing those guns twice. It would be better to bring more squads of guns.

The Hand of the Emperor act has potential, but they're going to outrun their Imagifier.

The Passion requires units to get in combat and stay in combat. Only Repentia and Celestine can make use of it, since Seraphim will rather have Divine Guidance, since they can shoot pistols while in CQC. And all of these will certainly outrun the Imagifier.

Spirit of the Martyr is fairly good, though, but a Hospitaller achieves the same end and is 10 points cheaper.

And Celestine gets an automatic act of faith anyway so she doesn't need it.

 Melissia wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Actually, if you can have more acts of Faith per turn if you bring a specific model, is a scalable system. In a 1000 army maybe you bring one imagifiers. In 2000 points maybe you bring 4.

They aren't as reliable as before but is not true that the system isn't scalable.

An imagifier is a 40 point expenditure to get a 50% chance of getting an act of faith which can be given to a unit within 6" of the imagifier, if the imagifier lives. So for the cost of more than four battle sisters, you can maybe sometimes get an additional act of faith if you're lucky and your opponent hasn't killed your imagifier, who is a character and thus cannot join other squads and can be sniped. OH BUT DON'T WORRY! If you want them to survive (because shooting the imagifier and getting a mortal wound on a character is much easier than taking out a battle sister squad), you can always stick them near a more expensive Celestian squad and have THEM take hits instead! That way you're spending even MORE points on it!

Yes, it is, on a very technical and pedantic level, scaling. It's not very good scaling, which is the point.

Well, I wasn't trying to be pedantic about it. I was trying to present other point about it in a honest way, but seeing how at the defensive and hostile you have respond, I'll leave it there.
In no way I want sisters of battle to be a bad army, I want to clarify that.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Why was this thread brought back after a month of no posts on it?

Wha... what are you looking at?

 Melissia wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Actually, if you can have more acts of Faith per turn if you bring a specific model, is a scalable system. In a 1000 army maybe you bring one imagifiers. In 2000 points maybe you bring 4.

They aren't as reliable as before but is not true that the system isn't scalable.

An imagifier is a 40 point expenditure to get a 50% chance of getting an act of faith which can be given to a unit within 6" of the imagifier, if the imagifier lives. So for the cost of more than four battle sisters, you can maybe sometimes get an additional act of faith if you're lucky and your opponent hasn't killed your imagifier, who is a character and thus cannot join other squads and can be sniped. OH BUT DON'T WORRY! If you want them to survive (because shooting the imagifier and getting a mortal wound on a character is much easier than taking out a battle sister squad), you can always stick them near a more expensive Celestian squad and have THEM take hits instead! That way you're spending even MORE points on it!

Yes, it is, on a very technical and pedantic level, scaling. It's not very good scaling, which is the point.

It's been quite amusing to see people jump in like this without looking at just how pointless the old AoF system actually was comparatively. Also not understanding how the new character rules work.

Firstly, characters can only be shot if they're the closest model unless you have sniper. Most things that have sniper are not going to kill a 2+(cover) 6++ 4 wound model in less than 3 turns, especially if you use enough terrain and counter attack properly.

The let's compare to the old system shall we? Each footslog unit got 1 AoF per game, plus 1 for each non-priest HQ. Seems like it scales up reasonably well right? In a fluff list with seraphim and retributors and battle sisters you'd be getting 15-20 aofs per game, more with Simulcrums! Sounds good right? Except here's the thing; basic battle sisters AoF was very meh, to the point where you'd never even consider paying 10pts to get it twice,.

Seraphim had a good one but seraphim themselves were competing for slots with the best non-hq unit in the book. At most you took a tenner to run around with Celestine and with Celestine not having AoF after FoC seraphim would have to jump through hoops just to use it AND couldn't take a simulcrum.

Retributors had a nice AoF in theory, but A) it's actually not particularly impressive for heavy bolters and heavy flamers have anti-synergy with it as the things that rending is very strong against, flamers see reduced effectiveness due to smaller unit sizes. And B) getting to use it twice required at least 22pts, which makes the unit 7 points more expensive than an exorcist who does the same job better and doesn't have an AoF. And literally 0 other units in the book mattered, especially as they relate to AoFs. I mean crusader? Really?

So an efficiently sob army would top out at 8-10 Actual AoFs per game with the standard 6 dominion builds. Less if they went with exorcist builds. And only the domi's AoF would actually matter.

In a 5 turn game under the new system Celestine and 2 imagifiers will statistically give you 14 per game if they all live that long. More realistically you'll start losing imagifiers around turn 3, Celestine should be fine for 5. So you'd be looking at 10-12 total with a very conservative set up. Add on to that that as long as Celestine and 2 ranged units are alive AoFs are LEAGUES better than anything but old holy fusillade.

Are SoB going to be super strong this edition? No, probably not. But it's not going to be because of AoF, it's going to be because shield of faith sucks now and T3 got buttjacked compared to T4+ in the new to wound table.